[CALL TO ORDER]
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I CALL THE JULY 15TH TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
SO IF WE CAN START WITH THE ROLL CALL ABRAMS. HERE.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
JARED HALL, TRANSIT MANAGER, CITY OF PETALUMA.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF UNIQUE TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND WE'LL DIVE RIGHT INTO THOSE.
[1. Transit Advisory Committee - Oath of office]
THE FIRST ONE IS THE OATH OF OFFICE.FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAVE ONE MEMBER JOINING US WHO WILL ASK IN A FEW MINUTES TO MAYBE GIVE A FEW WORDS IF SHE LIKES TO SAY HI TO THE AUDIENCE.
BUT FIRST, WE HAVE THE CITY CLERK, CAITLIN, HERE TO JOIN US AND ADMINISTER THE OATH.
UH, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO IS TO SWEAR IN NEW CCB MEMBERS, UM, 'CAUSE IT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO VISIT YOU ALL.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO.
I KNOW YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME AND THE CITY REALLY DOES APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS ALWAYS HERE TO HELP.
YOU MAY BE IN CONTACT, YOU MAY BE CONTACTED BY MY OFFICE REGARDING PARTICULARLY FORM SEVEN HUNDREDS, UH, STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTERESTS.
SO IF YOU EVER HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT.
HAPPY TO HELP, UH, AND EXCITED TO SWEAR IN, UH, A NEW MEMBER TODAY.
SO IF I COULD HAVE THE NEW MEMBER JOIN ME DOWN IN FRONT OF THE DAIS, WE'LL PERFORM THE OATH.
WE'LL PUT THE MICROPHONE HERE SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
SO IF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME.
I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR I LESLIE CHE, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I WILL BEAR TWO TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION.
AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES, DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER UPON, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER.
AND I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, WE CAN PUT YOU ON THE SPOT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JUST SAYING HELLO.
MAYBE A FEW WORDS ABOUT YOURSELF AND WHY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE TECH.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, MY NAME IS LESLIE CHE.
I WAS RAISED IN SONOMA COUNTY, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN SANTA ROSA.
BUT I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
MY HUSBAND, UM, HAS LIVED IN PETALUMA BASICALLY HIS WHOLE LIFE.
UM, AND I'M JUST VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT, UH, TRANSIT, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
I'VE LIVED IN A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAD REALLY FANTASTIC, UM, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND, UM, I THINK PETALUMA'S DOING A GREAT JOB AND WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT.
[2. Appointment of Transit Advisory Committee Officers – Chair and Vice Chair]
SO, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THE SECOND ITEM THAT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR NEW, UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.SO IF YOU LIKE, I CAN LEAD INTO THAT ITEM.
SO, AS PEOPLE MAY RECALL, EVERY YEAR AT OUR FIRST MEETING, FOLLOWING THE NEW APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS, WHICH HAPPENS OVER THIS TIME EVERY YEAR, UH, WITH THE NEW METER, THE NEW MEMBERS SEATED IN JULY, WE ALWAYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS OFTEN JOINING OUR COMMITTEE.
AND IN THIS CASE WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS, TWO OF WHICH THAT ARE RETURNING, WHICH IS YOU, GAIL, AND PATTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE LESLIE JOINING US FOR HER FIRST TERM.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE, LESLIE.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE GO THROUGH AND WE APPOINT TWO POSITIONS, WHICH WILL, UH, FILL THESE ROLES FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
AND THERE'S TWO ROLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL, ONE OF WHICH IS CHAIR.
AND THE CHAIR OF COURSE OVERSEES THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEES, UH,
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WORKS FOR THE AGENDA, CALLS FOR COMMENTS FOR MEMBERS OF THE PANEL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA.AND THE VICE CHAIR SERVES AS THE BACKUP TO THAT POSITION.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE CHAIR WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING, THEN THE VICE CHAIR WOULD TAKE OVER.
CURRENTLY THE CHAIR IS GAIL ABRAMS
AND SO THOSE POSITIONS ARE NOW OPEN UP AGAIN FOR ANOTHER ONE YEAR PERIOD.
UH, WE OFTEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE AD HOC COMMITTEES.
AT THE MOMENT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD SOME RECENTLY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE WERE CREATING OUR LUMA GO PROGRAM, WE HAD A TEMPORARY AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MULTIPLE MEMBERS HERE OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE AS WELL.
AND THEN FOR OUR TRANSIT OPERATIONS, WE ALSO HAD A TEMPORARY AD HOC GROUP, WHICH ADVISED US ON THAT PROCESS AND NETWORK WRAPPED UP A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL THOSE TWO POSITIONS.
AND THEN ONE THING ALSO WORTH CONSIDERING IS THE TIMING AND DATE OF THIS MEETING.
WE ALWAYS LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, WE HAD BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE ON THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH FROM FOUR TO 6:00 PM AND FOR THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE BEEN ON THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH FROM FIVE TO 7:00 PM BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO CHECK IN WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SEE IF THOSE TIMES WORK BEST.
'CAUSE WE WANNA MAXIMIZE PEOPLE'S AVAILABILITY AND INVOLVEMENTS.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT MADAM CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
SHALL WE BEGIN WITH THE ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THEN? NO.
OH, SHALL WE BEGIN WITH THE ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THEN? AND, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT IT IS THAT ERIC AND I BEGAN, UM, OUR TIME IN OFFICE LATE LAST YEAR RATHER THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN FRANK, UM, WAS ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE HAD A A, WE NEEDED TO FILL THE POSITIONS AND I GUESS I HAD BEEN THE VICE CHAIR,
UM, SO SINCE I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT FOR A FULL YEAR, UM, I WOULD BE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO CONTINUE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST GETTING THE HANG OF IT.
IT SEEMS A SHAME THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT UP WITH ME FOR HALF YEAR OF LEARNING AND NEVER, NEVER GET, UM, LEARNED, LEARNED.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S FINE IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO BE CHAIR OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMEONE ELSE TO BE CHAIR.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
ERIC, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT BEING THE VICE CHAIR? UM, OTHER THAN IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN FUN AND YES, IT HAS BEEN, UH, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN ON HERE.
UM, BUT I THINK WITH THAT IT'S TRUE.
IT'S, IT'S ONLY BEEN ABOUT SIX MONTHS YOU BEING CHAIR AND I WOULD HAPPILY NOMINATE YOU AGAIN,
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS AS EMOTION
SO PEOPLE COULD EITHER NOMINATE OTHER PEOPLE OR THEY CAN EVEN SELF NOMINATE.
AND WE CAN DO THIS A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
USUALLY WE TAKE THIS ONE AT A TIME CHAIR, DETERMINE THAT, AND THEN VICE CHAIR IS HOW WE'VE OFTEN DONE IT IN THE PAST.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? I NOMINATE GIL ABRAMS. DO WE HAVE ANY SECONDS? SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ROLL CALL.
WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? ABRAMS AYE.
DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR? I NOMINATE ERIC VASQUE AND I, I SECOND THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? ALRIGHT, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
CONGRATULATIONS AND CONGRATULATIONS.
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AND SO THE THIRD PIECE OF THAT IS PERHAPS A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THE MEETING DAY AND TIME.IF PEOPLE PREFER THIS TIME OR IF THEY WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK INTO OTHER AVAILABLE TIMES, INPUT ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SHALL WE START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT? UH, SURE.
MY, MY INPUT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST JOINED, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON, I FORGET THE, THE SECOND TUESDAY AT FOUR.
UM, UH, I WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
UH, I DO WORK FULL TIME DURING THE DAY AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE, SO IT'S EASIER FOR ME, UH, PERSONALLY, UH, TO MAKE IT AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, I'M COMPLETELY OPEN AND WILL WILL MAKE IT WORK IF, UH, IF THE REST OF THE GROUP WOULD PREFER THAT IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YEAH, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SECOND THAT I'M, I'M LOVING THIS TIME.
UM, I'M FORTUNATE THAT I GET TO WORK FROM HOME TODAY, SO IT'S, IT'S EASIER, BUT FIVE O'CLOCK IS BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE AND I CLOCK OUT RIGHT AT FOUR, SO IT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ME TO KIND OF SWITCH GEARS AND GET OVER HERE.
SO I'VE BEEN, I'M OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS SO LONG AS IT IS CLOSER TO THE EVENING TIME.
UH, I ALSO WORK FULL-TIME IN SAN RAFAEL, SO, UM, GETTING HERE, UH, AT FOUR O'CLOCK, UH, WHERE, WHEREAS IT WAS POSSIBLE, UM, WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
SO FIVE O'CLOCK WORKS FOR ME AS WELL.
IT'S MUCH, IT'S MUCH BETTER FOR ME.
I HAVE FOUND THAT MANY THINGS SEEM TO HAPPEN ON TUESDAY EVENING, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE TUESDAY A MONTH.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE SWITCHED IT THEN I WOULD FIND THAT MANY THINGS HAPPENED ON WEDNESDAY PROBABLY, BUT, BUT I, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF FIVE BECAUSE IT LETS US HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING.
FIVE 30 WOULD BE BETTER, BUT FIVE WORKS
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THEN WE'LL MAINTAIN THIS MEETING DAY AND TIME.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ACTUALLY BE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, COULD I RAISE THE QUESTION OF AD HOC COMMITTEES, WHICH JARED MENTIONED AS SOMETHING WE DO TALK ABOUT.
UH, I HAVE REALLY AT THIS 0.3 AD HOC COMMITTEES I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AT LEAST FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
WE ARE WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, JARED, OUR BEGINNING WORK ON THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN.
AND I THINK HAVING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH YOU MORE CLOSELY THAN JUST BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS BODY ON A REGULAR BASIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, LUMA GO, I KNOW HAS SOME SORT OF STANDING CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT'S FUNDED LONG TERM, WHAT AREAS WE GO TO.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER WITH AN AD HOC THAN COMING BACK TO THIS FULL COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THERE IS A NEWLY FORMED GROUP OF TRANSIT RIDERSHIP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONNECT TO IN CERTAIN WAYS.
I, I'M TALKING TO ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS ALREADY, BUT THAT'S THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT WRITERS AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD HANDLE THROUGH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO GET OURSELVES SORT OF INTO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH I THINK ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF THINGS WE BELIEVE IN.
SO THOSE ARE MY THREE THOUGHTS.
DAVE, CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS? IT'S, IT IS A ASSOCIATION OF TRUE TRANSIT RIDER ARGUING FOR BETTER SERVICE, MORE FUNDING FROM A STATEWIDE LEVEL.
IN SOME WAYS THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT US IN THAT THEY'RE TRULY RIDING TRANSIT EVERY DAY, BUT I THINK THE THINGS THEY ESPOUSE ARE THE THINGS WE BELIEVE IN.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO THEM.
AND, AND THE WOMAN WHO, WHO THE CO-CHAIR I'M TALKING TO IS A PROFESSOR AT, NO, EXCUSE ME, UM, SRJC, VERY COMPETENT, VERY ERUDITE.
AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER CONNECTION THAN JUST ME TALKING TO HER.
SO DOES THAT HELP? THAT'S PERFECT.
SO JARED, UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TIME.
UM, HOW DO WE PROCEED WITH FORMING SOME AD HOCS AT THIS POINT? SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD AS A FIRST STEP TO MAYBE HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE TO HEAR IF THERE'S INTERESTS.
UM, DOING THOSE GROUPS IS RELIANT ON PEOPLE WHO HAVING THE TIME AND THE ABILITY TO COMMIT TO 'EM, NOT JUST ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT GENERALLY I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, REALLY A COUPLE PEOPLE AT
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LEAST ON THE COMMITTEES SO THERE'S GOOD REPRESENTATION ON 'EM.SO I THINK THAT WOULD MAYBE BE A GOOD STARTING POINT AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN PRIORITIES AMONGST THE ONES MENTIONED OR OTHER IDEAS.
I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE GREAT INPUTS.
ONE THING WORTH CONSIDERING TOO WITH AD HOCS IS THE WAY THEY GENERALLY WORK IS THEY'RE USUALLY A FINITE TYPE GROUP.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TO SAY, INTENDED TO BE GENERALLY A YEAR OR LAST, NOT EXACT, BUT GENERALLY IT'S TOPICAL ON ONE SPECIFIC ITEM AND THEY'RE USUALLY LIMITED DURATION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATION POINTS OF THOSE VERSUS COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEES.
COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE OFFICIAL BROWN ACT BODIES.
AND WE'LL HAVE THAT TRAINING POSSIBLY NEXT MONTH HERE AT THIS GROUP.
BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE BROWN ACT BODIES THAT HAVE ONLINE POSTED AGENDAS, LONGER LASTING VERSUS AD HOCS THAT ARE TEMPORARY AND TOPICAL NATURE IN THAT REGARD.
HOW, WHAT IS THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WILL SPEND ON PUTTING TOGETHER THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN? I WOULD ANTICIPATE SIX TO 12 MONTHS DEPENDING ON THE APPROACH OF IT.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD FROM IN THE PAST AND SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED IS CREATING AN AD HOC FOR THAT TYPE OF STUDY.
AND WHEN AND WHEN DO YOU INTEND TO BEGIN THAT? IN FALL 2025 AS IN SEPTEMBER.
APPROXIMATELY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A SET DATE, BUT APPROXIMATELY.
AND LUMA AGO, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE BRINGING TO A SUM REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER.
YEAH, WE'RE CURRENTLY FINALIZING A DATE NOW WHERE WE'RE INTENDING TO GO TO COUNCIL AND GIVEN UPDATES CLOSE TO THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF LUMA AGO.
OF COURSE THAT STARTED SEPTEMBER, 2024.
AND WE'VE BEEN CAUSING CALLING IT A ONE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM.
AND SO WE WERE GONNA BRING IT HERE FIRST TO THIS COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ON THE COUNCIL TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THE OVERVIEW OF HOW IT'S BEEN PERFORMING OVER THE ONE YEAR PILOT PERIOD, GET INPUT ON WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SEEN ABOUT IT, LIKED, DON'T LIKE, AND GET INPUT ABOUT KIND OF THE FUTURE OF THE SERVICE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
DOES IT CONTINUE, DOES IT END, DOES IT GET MODIFIED? ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO DAVE, WERE YOU ENVISIONING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE THE REPORT OR SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, ASSUMING THAT LUMA AGO GOES FORWARD IN SORT OF REPEATING THE AD HOC THAT PUT TOGETHER THE ORIGINAL? I I WAS PROBABLY THINKING MORE THE LATTER.
UH, I ANTICIPATE EVEN THE COUNCIL, IF THEY CHOOSE TO CONTINUE LUMA AGO, IS GONNA COME BACK SAYING, HOW ABOUT YOU EXPAND THE AREA? AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
AND, AND ONE THING I SHOULD POINT OUT ABOUT AD AD HOCS, BECAUSE CREATING AD HOCS IS NOT PART OF OUR AGENDA TODAY.
WE CANNOT TAKE ANY OFFICIAL ACTION.
SO NOTHING CAN HAPPEN UNTIL NEXT AUGUST ANYWAY.
OR NOT NEXT AUGUST, NEXT MONTH, NEXT MONTH
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET A MORE FRAMEWORK ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, AND I, I THINK, I THINK YOU AND I KNOW THAT JARED IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCES OF IT.
IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THREE OF US HAVE HAD.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S RESOLVED BY SEPTEMBER.
SO I, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ONGOING CONVERSATIONS REGARDING LUMA GO.
AND THEN THE, THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT WRITERS COMMITTEE CONNECTION IS NOT NECESSARILY TIME BOUND.
THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD COMMENT.
AND MAYBE IT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT SUITABLE FOR AD HOC, BUT IT COULD BE AN AD HOC TO CREATE OUR CONNECTION AND TO LEARN ABOUT THEM AND BRING BACK A REPORT.
AND YEAH, AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE WEAKEST OF MY, MY IDEAS.
ALTHOUGH I WILL NOTE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AD HOC COMMITTEES, NON BROWN ACT BODIES, THE GPAC THAT HAS BEEN MEETING FOR FIVE YEARS AND IS GOING ON SIX IS CONSIDERED AN AD HO NON BROWN ACT.
SO WE CAN WE HAVE A PRECEDENT.
WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD OR BAD PRECEDENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, AND IF WE CAN'T PROPOSE AN AD HOC THEN PERHAPS IS IF, IS THIS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE TO GO AWAY AND THINK ABOUT IT? OR DO YOU, OR DO YOU WANT TO CONVERSE SOME MORE ON IT NOW IN PREPARATION OF AUGUST WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY PROPOSE SOME? WELL, UNLESS IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT IN AUGUST.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS THAT WHEN DOES JARED HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT HE THINKS HE CAN PUT TOGETHER THE AUGUST AGENDA? I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE MORE TO WEIGH IN.
SO I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE TWO.
AND WE DO HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA.
SO WHETHER WE RECEIVE THAT TONIGHT AND BRING IT FORWARD IN AUGUST, OR WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN AUGUST FOR SEPTEMBER ACTION.
THOSE ARE BOTH KIND OF THE TWO
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ALTERNATIVES I WOULD SAY.I, I, I'M OKAY DEFERRING THIS CONVERS FURTHER CONVERSATION TILL AUGUST BECAUSE OF THE FULL AGENDA.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE CONVERSATION NOW SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION IN AUGUST? LET, LET ME JUST ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I THINK THEY'RE ALL THREE PRETTY, UM, GOOD IDEAS AND UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF IN AT LEAST ONE OF THEM.
UM, AND UH, IF I HAD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UM, RANK THEM, THE, THE TOP ONE WOULD BE THE LUMA GO DISCUSSION FOLLOWED BY THE MARIN SONOMA, UM, AND THE PETALUMA TRANSIT, UM, OH, SORRY, SORRY, I'M READING THE, UH, THE SHORT RANGE, THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, UH, LET ME BACK UP.
MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE LUMA GO.
MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE SHORT RANGE AND MY THIRD CHOICE WOULD BE THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS CONNECTION, ALTHOUGH I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOOD.
UM, AND I WOULD, UM, I WOULD AIM TO PARTICIPATE IN AT LEAST ONE AND TRY FOR TWO.
THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, JUST SO THAT THE GROUP KNOWS THAT I HAVE INTEREST IN IT.
WELL, SINCE YOU'VE SET THAT PRECEDENTS PRETTY QUICK, ERIC, CAN YOU AT THIS POINT STATE IF YOU COULD BE A PARTICIPANT IN ONE OR MORE AND YOUR RANKED PREFERENCE? YEAH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I THINK, UM, IT'S PRETTY SPOT ON WITH HOW I'M THINKING OF RANKING IT.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS JUST WHEN IT WOULD BE, AND POTENTIAL DATES THAT WE COULD CONSIDER AND THE TIMING, JUST 'CAUSE I PERSONALLY, I WORK WITH A VERY IMPACT SCHEDULE AND IF WE CAN COME BACK WITH PROPOSED DATES AND TIMES, UM, AND THEN ASSESS THERE, I THINK THAT'D BE BEST.
BUT I, I DO HAVE A REALLY STRONG INTEREST IN LOOKING AT WHERE LUMA GO CAN GO.
SO THAT'S REALLY, OKAY, MY TOP AND THEN MY OTHER TWO ARE, THEY'RE STILL THERE, BUT LUMA AGO IS WHERE I WANNA BE.
IF I MAY ADD, UM, AND, AND UH, DAVE, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME HISTORY WITH THIS, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING HERE.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE AD HOC COMMITTEES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NON BROWN ACT, UM, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE A QUORUM ON, ON ANY ONE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THE, UH, THE DECISION TO MEET, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY COME TOGETHER IN A SETTING LIKE THIS.
IT'S, YOU MEET, UH, AT A TIME AND PLACE THAT THE GROUP DECIDES.
AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO BE ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, I, UM, GET CONCERNED ABOUT MY TIME, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE FALL, UH, WITH MY TEACHING SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN LUMA GO, BUT I'M ALSO WOULD APPRECIATE A REPORT BACK FROM PEOPLE WHO, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ME ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
UM, AND SO, AND I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT I CAN PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THEM, UH, UNTIL THE SPRING
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING ON AT LEAST ONE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE FOR LUMA GO.
I WOULD PUT THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN AT THE TOP FOR ME AND RIDERSHIP, IF DEPENDING.
UM, YEAH, I'VE, I'M POTENTIALLY INTERESTED, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF A TIME COMMITMENT IT, UH, LIKE IT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE.
UM, TOP PRIORITY WOULD BE NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS, THEN LUMA GO, AND THEN THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN.
I'M INTERESTED IN BEING ON PROBABLY TWO OF THEM.
AND MY ORDER IS THE REVERSE OF, UH, MS. CHES.
I'D BE SRTP THEN LUMA AGO, THEN N-B-R-T-M-B-T-R.
SO YOU WANT NBTR IS NORTH BAY TRANSIT WRITERS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID M NO, IT'S N SORRY.
AND AND ALSO, SORRY, JUST ONE MORE BRIEF COMMENT SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS.
UM, THE, UM, I MEMBERSHIP ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THEY DON'T YES.
HAVE TO BE SOMEONE WE, WE WOULD, THAT'S ON THIS COMMITTEE.
I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST AND IF YOU, IF, BUT IF YOU DON'T THINK, IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN AUGUST.
SO WE'LL BE BACK IN AUGUST WITH GOOD DISCUSSION.
NOW, UM, MOVING ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
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COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUB SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
SO I'M OPENING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE ANY.
AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NO, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'M CLOSING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, NOW LET'S SEE IN PERSON, PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO WISH TO SPEAK.
OH WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S THE ANNOTATED THING.
[PRESENTATIONS]
ON TO PRESENTATIONS.WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, I'LL DO THE FIRST ONE, THE THIRD WITH CARLY GOING IN BETWEEN.
SO FOR THE FIRST ONE TO KICK US OFF, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE MASCOT STUDY OR THE MARIN SONOMA COORDINATED TRANSIT SERVICE PLAN.
SO LET ME, UH, SHARE MY SLIDES HERE.
SO WE, UH, COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE MASCOTS PLAN.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW TIMES PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE HITTING A MAJOR MILESTONE IN THE PLAN EFFORTS.
WE WANT TO COME BACK TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THE DRAFT FINDINGS AND WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE.
AND SO, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS IS A MULTI ENTITY STUDY EFFORT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING AND THEIR LOGOS THERE ON THE FRONT PAGE.
SO OF COURSE CITY OF PETALUMA, PETALUMA TRANSIT, BUT REALLY ALL OF THE TRANSIT AGENCIES AND SONOMA MARIN COUNTY ARE PARTICIPATING.
AND MTC IS ALSO ON THE, UH, GROUP ALONG WITH THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, MARIN AND SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION CLIMATE AUTHORITY.
SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE TODAY, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PLAN AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE PAST YEAR.
AND SO THE FIRST PIECE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS THE EXISTING CONDITION SUMMARY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN, AND THEN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND FURTHER EFFORTS WE'LL BE DOING.
SO AS A REMINDER OF WHAT IS MASCOTS, THE VERY CLEVER NAME, AS YOU PROBABLY SURMISE, IS A COMBINATION OF MARIN IN SONOMA COUNTY.
WE'RE NOT VERY CLEVER AS A PLANNERS, THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN COME UP WITH.
AND IT'S A COLLABORATIVE, COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF TRANSIT SERVICE ON HIGHWAY 1 0 1.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED OVER THE RECENT YEARS IS THAT WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS SMART OPERATING NOW, WHICH IS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE MARIN AND SONOMA COMMUNITIES, BUT SMART HASN'T EVEN BEEN RUNNING FOR A DECADE AND SINCE THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING, THE LANDSCAPE HAS REALLY CHANGED QUITE A BIT IN THE TRANSIT WORLD.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST MULTI-ENTITY, LARGE SCALE, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING EFFORT THAT WE'RE DOING POST SMARTS TO LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF SERVICES MAKE THE MOST SENSE IN THE CORRIDOR 1 0 1, AND THEN WHO'S OPERATING THOSE SERVICES.
AND SO IT'S GROUNDED IN POST PANDEMIC TRAVEL BEHAVIORS AND WORK PATTERNS.
SOMETHING THAT EVEN NOW IS SHIFTING QUITE A BIT.
POST PANDEMIC, STILL REGULATING A BIT.
AND THERE'S THREE MAJOR GOALS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE EFFORT.
THE FIRST ONE IS GROWING RIDERSHIP FOR ALL AGENCIES WORKING KIND OF BLIND TO WHICH PARTICULAR AGENCY IS RUNNING THE SERVICE AS THE FIRST ANALYSIS.
WE WANNA IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE IDEAL SERVICE AND THEN FROM THERE, DEVELOPING THE PLAN OF WHO BEST OPERATES IT AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN, NOT A STUDY THAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO IMPLEMENT AND BE FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE WITH.
SO SPEAKING OF BEING AGGRESSIVE IN THE TIMELINE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE COMPLETED PHASES 1, 2, 3.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES KIND OF THE INITIAL FORMING OF THE GROUP AND THERE'S SEVERAL SUBCOMMITTEES OF THIS GROUP.
THERE'S A FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, A PLANNING SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN THE GENERAL MANAGERS OF ALL THE AGENCIES MEETS.
AND ALL THESE GROUPS MEET AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH GENERALLY.
AND SO OVER THE FALL, WINTER, UM, STARTING LAST YEAR ALL THE WAY INTO THE SPRING, NOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HAS BEEN GATHERING A BUNCH OF INFO FROM ALL THE AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RIDERSHIP FOR EACH AGENCY BY ROUTE, BY
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STOP, BY TIME OF DAY, WHAT ARE THE TRENDS FOR ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES? WHAT HAS BEEN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PROVIDED BY ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES? SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN HARD TO TACKLE OVER THE YEARS IS HOW MUCH SERVICE PEOPLE ARE PROVIDING IN THOSE SORTS OF TREND LINES.AND THEN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES BASED ON THAT.
HERE'S HOW IT'S RUNNING NOW, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHAT ARE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE? IF WE WANT TO CHANGE HOW THE SERVICES PROVIDED, CAN WE IMPROVE IT BY PROVIDING DIFFERENT SERVICES, MODIFIED SERVICES, MORE SERVICES, AND LAY OUT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
AND SO THE PIECE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE PRESENTING THESE PRELIMINARY ASPECTS OF IT TO THE DIFFERENT BOARDS, COMMITTEES, COUNCILS.
AND SO THAT STARTED IN LATE JUNE, CONTINUING THROUGH INTO AUGUST.
AND SO FOR PETALUMA, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT PRESENTING IT TO THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IT'S ALREADY GONE BEFORE ONE OF THE COMMITTEES OF GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND ALL THOSE AGENCIES YOU SAW ON THE FIRST SLIDE ALL HAVE SIMILAR MEETINGS SCHEDULED OVER THAT NEXT PERIOD.
AND THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO, UH, OUTREACH OVER THE SUMMER.
WHAT WE WANNA DO IS, IN CREATING THESE EFFORTS AND THE INITIAL, UM, ALTERNATIVES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE ONES THAT PENCIL OUT.
SO WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE AND HAVE MAJOR SHORTFALLS IN FUNDING DON'T MAKE SENSE FOR ONE OR MULTIPLE AGENCIES.
WE WANTED TO BE A VERY COLLABORATIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS THAT ALL THE AGENCIES WE'RE ON BOARD WITH.
AND IT'S A FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE PLAN BEFORE WE BRING IT FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC TO REALLY START GETTING ALL THE INPUT ON THE ALTERNATIVES.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IDEALLY IMPLEMENTING AN EARLY 2026.
SO IN TERMS OF THAT EXISTING CONDITION SUMMARY, UH, WE MENTIONED OUR FRIENDS IN SMART HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR LESS THAN A DECADE NOW.
AND REALLY WHAT WE FOUND IS A LOT OF THE RIDERSHIP HAS BEEN TRANSPLANTED.
A LOT OF THE RIDERSHIP THAT HAD BEEN GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT, ESPECIALLY ON ROUTE 1 0 1, WHICH IS THEIR MAIN TRUNK LINE RUNNING ON THAT, UH, CORRIDOR, HAS SHIFTED OVER TO SMART RIDERSHIP.
THAT CAN BE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE TIMES ADDED RUNS, MORE COMPETITIVE TRIP TIMES.
OFTEN WITH RAIL, IF IT'S WELL DESIGNED, IT CAN RUN FASTER THAN BUS, AS IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME TRAFFIC TO RUN IN.
AND, UM, AND HIGHWAY 1 0 1 IN SOUTHERN MARIN ESPECIALLY, THERE WAS NEED FOR A LOT OF CHANGES.
THERE WAS SEVERAL ROUTES THAT WERE OVERLAPPING AND CONFUSING.
WE'LL TOUCH ON THOSE A LITTLE BIT, BUT OF COURSE WE'RE MOSTLY FOCUSING ON THE SONOMA ASPECTS TONIGHT.
AND THEN EVEN INTO THE CITY, UH, PEOPLE PROBABLY KNOW THAT GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT, OF COURSE RUNS INTO THE CITY AND THERE'S EVEN BEEN CHANGES ON THAT SERVICE IN RECENT YEARS WITH GOLDEN GATE CHANGING THEIR POLICY OF ALLOWING FOR LOCAL PICKUPS AND DROP OFFS WITHIN SAN FRANCISCO.
SO NOT ALWAYS JUST KIND OF THAT REGIONAL TRIP THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON IT.
AND THEN THE PIECE WHERE A LOT OF THE LOCAL TRANSIT AGENCIES AND JURISDICTIONS COME IN ESPECIALLY, IS LOOKING AT OUR OWN LOCAL NEEDS.
THE BIGGEST PIECE THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT REALLY IS HELP TO PROVIDE THOSE FIRST AND FINAL MILE CONNECTIONS TO THESE REGIONAL TRUNK SERVICES IN THE EYES OF THIS STUDY.
SO WHAT WERE SOME OF THE KEY THEMES OF THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS IS WE WANTED TO REDUCE DUPLICATION.
WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TWO OR THREE AGENCIES PROVIDING SERVICE ON THE SAME CORRIDOR THAT AREN'T WELL COORDINATED TIME-WISE.
WE WANT THOSE SERVICES TO WORK WELL TOGETHER AND BE STREAMLINED.
WE WANNA IMPROVE THE CONNECTIONS, WE WANNA MAKE IT MORE SEAMLESS AND EASY FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE SERVICE AND EMPHASIZE THINGS LIKE TIME CONNECTION POINTS AT MAJOR TRANSIT HUBS.
SO RATHER THAN YOU GO FROM ONE SERVICE TO ANOTHER AT A MAJOR TRANSIT MODEL, SAY IN SAN RAFAEL AND MISS IT BY TWO, THREE MINUTES, PRIORITIZE THOSE CONNECTIONS AND NOW YOU HIT IT AND YOU HAVE SOME SPARE TIME.
AND THEN MATCHING SERVICE TO DEMAND, IT'S REALLY BECOMES UNEVEN IN THE CORRIDOR OVER TIME IN TERMS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOO LITTLE SERVICE, TOO MUCH SERVICE.
AND SO IT'S A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF REBALANCE THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT ALLOCATION OF SERVICES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITHIN IT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT AGENCIES ARE GONNA OPERATE THOSE AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT LOWER RIDERSHIP SEGMENTS ARE REMOVED AND MAXIMIZE THE RESOURCES OF WHERE THEY'RE OPERATING.
SO A BIG PIECE, ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE ONES REALLY FOR THE PETALUMA RESIDENT AND WORKER IS THE CHANGES PROPOSED TO SMART AND GOLDEN GATE TRANSITS ROUTE 1 0 1.
SO BASICALLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS WE WOULD DISCONTINUE ROUTE 1 0 1 NORTH OF NOVATO, AND OF COURSE THIS IS A ROUTE THAT CURRENTLY RUNS FROM SANTA ROSA ALL THE WAY INTO THE CITY, UH, SAN FRANCISCO.
SO DISCONTINUE ROUTE 1 0 1 NORTH OF NEVADA AND INCREASE FREQUENCY BETWEEN SAN RAFAEL AND SAN FRANCISCO.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SMART WOULD INCREASE FREQUENCY AND ITS SPAN OF SERVICE AS IN IT RUNS LATER INTO THE NIGHT THAN WHAT IT DOES CURRENTLY TO ENSURE THE HIGH QUALITY REGIONAL SERVICE
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THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THERE AND HELP FILL IN SOME OF THOSE GAPS.AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS IS REALLY PEOPLE LOVE SMART, BUT MAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE MORE SMART MORE TRIPS, FILL IN SOME OF THOSE SERVICE GAPS THAT YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
IN TERMS OF SOUTHERN MORAN, WE'LL TOUCH ON THESE BRIEFLY, BUT THERE'S SOME REDUNDANCIES WITH ROUTES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, 1 0 1, UH, 1 30, 1 50.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF DISCONTINUING SOME OF THOSE ROUTES IN THE CASE OF ONE 50, SHORTENING SOME ONE 30, MODIFYING OTHERS AND TRYING TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THAT SERVICE.
AND SO A LOT OF MARIN TRANSITS ROUTES ARE CONSOLIDATED THIS WAY ALONG A 1 0 1 SOUTH OF SAN RAFAEL INTO SAN FRANCISCO, AND IT REALLY BUMPS UP THEIR ROUTES TO ONE PRIMARY ROUTE THAT'S RUNNING EVERY 15 MINUTES INSTEAD OF TWO OR THREE THAT RUN EVERY 30 MINUTES, 40 MINUTES, BUT A BIT MORE CONFUSING.
SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THOSE LOCAL CONNECTIONS, ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCAL TRANSIT AGENCIES LIKE OURSELVES IN SANTA ROSA CITY BUS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE OF COURSE LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL SIDE, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TRANSIT PICTURE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE LOCAL CONNECTION IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN DO.
SO IN THE CASE OF PETALUMA, GOOD EXAMPLE IS LUMA GO IS ONE EXAMPLE.
WE IMPLEMENTED THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
A BIG PIECE OF THAT IS THE FIRST AND FINAL MILE CONNECTIONS IT PROVIDES TO THE DOWNTOWN SMART STATION.
ANOTHER ONE WE JUST LAUNCHED IN JUNE ON THE 28TH IS IMPROVING OUR TWO HIGHEST RIDERSHIP ROUTES ON OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS, WHICH ARE ROUTE 11 ON WASHINGTON AND ROUTE TWO ON NORTH MCDOWELL TO BOTH RUN 15 MINUTES DURING PEAK TIME.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY EXCITING DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, OF COURSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO STREAMLINE THE GOLDEN GATE, UH, TRANSIT COMMUTER ROUTES IN SONOMA COUNTY.
SO BASICALLY IT CONSOLIDATES THOSE ROUTES DOWN AND UM, THERE'S A NEW COMBINED ROUTE THAT DOESN'T MAKE LOCAL PICKUPS IN SAN FRANCISCO THAT WOULD MAKE THAT SERVICE FASTER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL GOING ALONG THAT AREA.
YOU CAN SEE ROUTE FIVE 80 MINOR CHANGES ON THAT AND MOSTLY REGARDING LOOPING AND WHERE IT GOES THROUGH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE KANA OVER NEAR, UH, SAN RAFAEL.
THE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THERE'S A FEW POCKETS IN THAT AREA WORTH NOTING THAT ARE LOWER INCOME ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE TYPE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS HIGH PRIORITY THROUGH THE STUDY TO MAINTAIN GOOD QUALITY TRANSIT SERVICE TO THEM.
SO TO SUMMARIZE, THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS WERE DISCONTINUING GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT ROUTE 1 0 1 NORTH NEVADA, AND INCREASING THE FREQUENCY BETWEEN SAN FEL AND SAN FRANCISCO, INCREASING SMART FREQUENCY AND THE SPAN OF SERVICE HOURS FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
UM, SOUTHERN MARINE BUS SERVICE, STREAMLINING SEVERAL OF THOSE ROUTES DOWN INTO FEWER ROUTES, IMPROVING LOCAL TRANSIT AGENCY BUS CONNECTIONS TO SMARTS, UM, IMPLEMENTING THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT COMMUTER ROUTES IN SONOMA COUNTY THAT WILL HAVE FASTER TIMES INTO THE CITY BY ELIMINATING SOME OF THOSE INTRA CITY BOARDINGS WITHIN SAN FRANCISCO.
AND THEN, UH, CHANGES TO ROUTE FIVE 80, UH, THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT ROUTES AND CHANGING SOME OF THE ALIGNMENTS THERE.
SO WHAT DOES THE 1 0 1 SERVICE STRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? SMART AT THIS POINT WOULD REALLY BECOME THE CORE SERVICE.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN, THE CORRIDOR, THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE YEARS AND THROUGH THIS PROCESS THUS FAR.
PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THE SMART SERVICE AND THEY PRIORITIZE THAT.
THEY'VE REALLY KIND OF ENJOYED THE EXPERIENCE YOU GET ON THE RAIL AND REALLY THE RIDERSHIP SOMEWHAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF WITH THE SHIFT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN OCCURRING ON THOSE SERVICES.
AND SO SMART BECOMES THE PRIMARY REGIONAL CARRIER ALONG THE CORRIDOR FOR BOTH COUNTIES.
GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT IS MORE FOCUSED ON ALL DAY EXPRESS LIMITED STOP SERVICE WITH KEY HUBS FROM MARIN COUNTY TO SAN FRANCISCO.
AND THEN THAT PEAK PERIOD COMMUTER BUS SERVICE FROM SONOMA INTO THE, UH, CITY GOLDEN GATE FERRY CONTINUES TO PROVIDE STRONG CONNECTIONS.
A LOT OF RIDERS RIDE THAT, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TIMES AS WE KNOW, AGAIN, THE LOCAL TRANSIT AGENCIES, UH, IMPROVING THE FIRST AND FINAL MILE CONNECTIONS AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL LOCAL SERVICE CHANGES ON MARINE TRANSIT.
SO THE BENEFITS, IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT'S IN THIS FOR ALL THE RIDER, UM, IT'S AN EASIER TO UNDERSTAND NETWORK.
THERE'S LESS CONFUSING ROUTES AND THERE'S ROUTES THAT RUN MORE FREQUENTLY, MORE OFTEN, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER THREE OR FOUR.
AND WHERE DOES THIS ONE GO? A LOT OF, UM, TYPES OF SERVICES I'VE SEEN HAVE REALLY BENEFITED FROM THIS, LIKE WHEN I WAS IN COLORADO, WHEN THEY WENT FROM KIND OF REGULAR REGIONAL SERVICE TO A BUS RAPID TRANSIT SERVICE ON A HIGHWAY CALLED 36.
THEY CONSOLIDATED IT DOWN FROM FOUR SO ROUTES TO ONE THAT RAN WITH HIGH FREQUENCY AND THE RIDERSHIP ACTUALLY WENT UP AS A RESULT BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD IT BETTER, UM, ET CETERA.
MORE CONSISTENCY IN STOPS, MORE FREQUENCY AND MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE OVERALL.
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OF REGIONAL CONNECTIONS, YOU'RE GETTING INCREASED SMART SERVICE, YOU'RE GETTING FASTER SERVICE TO EAST BAY AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT TRAVEL PATTERN AND THEN LOWER FARES AS A RESULT FOR MOST OF THE REGIONAL TRIPS AS WELL.BENEFITS FROM THE OPERATING POINT OF VIEW IS WE GET INCREASED RIDERSHIP.
WE ESTIMATE IT WOULD INCREASE EIGHT TO 15% MORE EFFICIENT USE OF OUR RESOURCES OVERALL.
UH, BUS CHANGES DESIGNED TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL, BUT THEY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED WITH EXISTING FUNDING.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A PLAN THAT WAS TOO OUTLANDISH AND BROUGHT A LOT OF NEW MONEY TO THE TABLE THAT WE WOULD'VE TO FIND THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT.
SO IT'S GENERALLY REVENUE NEUTRAL AND THEN THERE'S NO MAJOR CAPITAL INVESTMENTS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL RIDER IMPACTS HERE ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE BASIS.
WE WON'T RUN THROUGH ALL THESE AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM IN THE PACKET OR ONLINE THAT THEY LIKE.
AND SO IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, THE NEXT STEPS.
AND SO WE'RE DOING THE PRESENTATIONS AS I MENTIONED, THROUGH AUGUST, AND THAT REALLY KICKS OFF OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH PHASE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE MEETING WITH ALL OF THE AGENCIES TO PUT TOGETHER AN OUTREACH SCHEDULE THAT'LL OCCUR OVER THE SUMMER.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AN EVENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PETALUMA ARTS CENTER IN AUGUST.
WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE DATE AND DETAILS OF THAT, WE'LL LET EVERYONE HERE KNOW AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT THAT WILL BE A OPEN HOUSE TYPE MEETING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND LEARN MORE DETAILS OF THIS PLAN, ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND STAFF FROM ALL THE AGENCIES WILL BE AT THESE MEETINGS.
AND OF COURSE THE PETALUMA ONE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE REPRESENTED AT SO PEOPLE CAN COME LOOK AT THE STUDY, GIVE THEIR INPUTS, ET CETERA.
UM, IN SEPTEMBER, MARIN TRANSIT HAS THEIR MAJOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S A GOOD RECEPTION TO ALL OF THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SPRING 2026 IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, IT'S HOPE TO BE A THREE-YEAR PILOT PROGRAM.
ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS WITH THIS IS ALL THE AGENCIES CAME TOGETHER AND REALLY ALL THE AGENCIES ARE CONTRIBUTING, YOU KNOW, A PIECE TO MAKE THIS GET OFF THE GROUND.
ALL OF THEM SEE ADDED BENEFITS AND MTC DOES TOO, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT BRINGING MONEY TO THE TABLE ON AN ONGOING BASIS TO HELP I IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A MODEL OF WHAT THEY WANNA SEE THROUGHOUT THE REGION IS THIS TYPE OF COLLABORATION AND EFFICIENCY THAT'S OFTEN HARD TO DO WITH SO MANY AGENCIES INVOLVED.
AND SO WITHOUT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE TIME, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE, UM, TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF OF JARED'S.
SO, UM, DOES IT, LET'S BEGIN WITH YOU.
UH, I MEAN, ONE GREAT PRESENTATION, UM, THRILLED BY WHAT THE, THE CONTENT, THE DIRECTION THE, THE PROCESS IS TAKING.
SO THANKS FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN IT.
WHEN I HEAR THE CO THE LEANING TOWARD RIDERSHIP DEMAND, I HEAR AN ECHO OF WHAT'S OFTEN TALKED ABOUT IN TRANSIT WORLD, UH, PRODUCTIVITY VERSUS COVERAGE.
AND I KNOW WE ADDRESSED THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIVE 80 X AND IT STILL PICKS UP THE LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT I WANNA MAKE REALLY CLEAR THAT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE GO FOR PRODUCTIVITY OR COVERAGE IS ULTIMATELY A POLITICAL QUESTION, UH, RATHER THAN A TRANSIT QUESTION.
SO ANY OF THOSE THAT COME UP IN PETALUMA, I WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED AS POLITICAL QUESTIONS, MEANING COMING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, IF NOT EVENTUALLY, TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE AND I I'M SURE YOU'VE GIVEN ME A GOOD ANSWER, WHICH I'VE FORGOTTEN FOR WHICH I APOLOGIZE.
WHAT PERCENT OF OUR, OF THE CUSTOMERS WHO BEGIN OR END THEIR TRANSIT ACTIVITY ON A PETALUMA TRANSIT BUS ENGAGE IN 1 0 1 TRAVEL, HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE STAYING LOCAL VERSUS HOW MANY ARE GOING TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY? THE LAST I SAW, I BELIEVE IT WAS 15 TO 20% APPROXIMATELY.
SO WE'RE STILL A FAIRLY SMALL CONTRIBUTOR TO REGIONAL TRANSIT, ALTHOUGH WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF THAT CURRENTLY.
AND THEN I THINK I MISSED IT GOING THROUGH IT NOW, BUT I READ IT EARLIER, THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT HAVING LOWER FARES FOR REGIONAL TRAVEL, AND I GUESS I'M, I FIND THAT A LITTLE BACKWARDS.
I MEAN, YES, I, I WANT LOW FARES WHEREVER POSSIBLE, BUT I'D RATHER GIVE THE LOWEST FAIR, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S FREE IN PETALUMA LOWEST FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN WHERE THEY WORK.
I DON'T WANT TO BE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO LIVE FOUR TOWNS AWAY FROM WHERE THEY WORK.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT LOWER AFFAIRS FOR REGIONAL TRIPS, I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THE WRONG MESSAGE.
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE GENERALLY LOWER FARES FOR RIDERS.
I WAS WONDERING, DOES THAT INCLUDE THOSE RIDERS WHO WOULD NEED TO SWITCH FROM THE ROUTE 1 0 1 BUS TO THE SMART TRAIN?
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UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR FARES.I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU COULD PULL THAT UP AT THE MOMENT.
CARLY, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THE REGIONAL FAIR ON SMART GOING THE END OF THE LINE UNTIL, UH, GOLDEN GATE GOING INTO THE CITY.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG ANSWER, BUT, OKAY.
YEAH, JUST, JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY RELIANT ON THE BUS, UH, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THEM HAVING TO TAKE THE TRAIN INSTEAD? YEAH, WE'LL GET THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO NOT CAUSE A BIG INCREASE IN FARES.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY PAIR ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING MORE EXPENSIVE AS A RESULT OF THE STUDY.
WORST CASE, YOU'RE EVEN FROM WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
SURE PATTY? I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, SO, UH, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT DISCONTINUING THE 1 0 1.
UM, SO IF I CURRENTLY RELY ON THE 1 0 1 TO GET TO SAN FRANCISCO AND THE NEW PLAN, I WOULD GET ON SMART, BY THE WAY, I LOVE SMART, SO I'M HAPPY, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE IT, HAVE A BIGGER ROLE.
UH, I GET ON SMART, I GO, LET'S SAY TO SAN RAFAEL, GET ON 1 0 1 INTO SAN FRANCISCO INSTEAD OF GETTING ON THE 1 0 1 ALL THE WAY INTO SAN FRANCISCO.
SO I NOW HAVE TWO THINGS I HAVE TO RELY ON TO GET INTO SAN FRANCISCO AND LESLIE BROUGHT UP THE FAIR DIFFERENCE AND THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR CONSIDERATION, BUT THERE'S A TIME ELEMENT IN THIS AS WELL.
IF I'M TRYING TO GO TO WORK AND I'D PREVIOUSLY BEEN RELYING ON THE 1 0 1 TO GET TO WORK IN SAN FRANCISCO, SO, UM, WHEN YOU DO THIS OUTREACH, IT WOULD BE NICE, NOT ONLY IN THIS CASE, BUT ALSO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LATE NIGHT RIDERS.
OKAY,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE STATS LOOK LIKE, OBVIOUSLY MAYBE IT'S NOT MANY PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY, OR ELSE YOU WOULDN'T BE DISCONTINUING IT.
UM, BUT DO THOSE PEOPLE, ARE THEY GOING TO WORK? WILL THEY HAVE TO QUIT THEIR JOB? HOW WILL, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO LATE NIGHT OPTION NOW FROM SAN FRANCISCO INTO SONOMA COUNTY.
AND YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND THAT HAS NOT IMPROVED REGIONAL TRANSIT TO HAVE NO LATE NIGHT OPTION FROM SAN FRAN, BIG OLD SAN FRANCISCO INTO SONOMA COUNTY.
SO WHO ARE THESE WRITERS? WHO ARE THESE LATE NIGHT WRITERS? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? HAS ANYBODY ASKED THEM WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU? UM, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT LATE NIGHT OPTION? MY THIRD QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A EXPANDED PARKING RIDE AT, ON, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, UM, THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THE CITY OF CATADI HELPED TO FUND.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN SAID.
UM, AND UH, WELL ONLY THE 1 72 STOP THERE NOW.
SO I DRIVE ALL THE WAY FROM, YOU KNOW, TATI BARKETT, THE GREATER BRAND NEW EXPANDED PARK AND RIDE, AND THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, 1 0 1 ANYMORE TO GET ON.
SO WHAT BUS AM I GETTING ON AND IT THE SAME FREQUENCY CAN I GET TO WORK IN THE CITY? UM, WITH, WITH THAT.
SO I MEAN, I THINK MY, MY OVERALL QUESTIONS ARE, HAS ANYBODY LIKE GOTTEN ON THE BUS
THAT'S THE END OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, LATE NIGHT SERVICE, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS IS, IS THERE A SERVICE THAT'S MAINTAINED FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT WOULD EXPAND THE SMART SPAN OF SERVICE TO RUN LATER INTO THE NIGHT.
SO MOSTLY YOU'RE TALKING AFTER 11:00 PM UNTIL ABOUT 3:00 AM AND THERE ARE RIDERS ON THERE.
IT IS A SMALLER AMOUNT, BUT YES, THOSE, ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS, DOES THAT RIDERSHIP AND THAT SERVICE GO AWAY? ARE THOSE
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PEOPLE IMPACTED? THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS.IN TERMS OF TRIP TIME, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM PETALUMA INTO THE CITY, ALTHOUGH YOU WOULD HAVE A TRANSFER GENERALLY UNDER THIS PLAN THAT'S CORRECT.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FASTER THAN WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ON 1 0 1, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, TOOK SMARTS AND THEN YOU GET OFF SMART END OF THE LINE IN LARKSBURG AND YOU TOOK THE FERRY OVER OR ONE OF THESE OTHER ROUTES IN MARIN THAT'S GONNA RUN WITH IMPROVED FREQUENCY AND IMPROVED RUNTIMES.
SO THERE IS A TRANSFER, BUT THOSE TRIPS WOULD ACTUALLY BE FASTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ON THE ONE BUS ROUTE THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH 1 0 1.
UM, AND THEN YEAH, ON PETALUMA SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST WHICH SERVICES THEY'RE RIDING AND WHICH ROUTES.
YEAH, I THINK PETALUMA BOULEVARD PARK AND RIDE, UM, WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S IMPACTED THE ONE ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD, UH, SOUTH, AS YOU MENTIONED, NEAR THE STORAGE AREA.
SO I MEAN THE, A BUS, SOME BUS WOULD STOP THERE STILL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND IT WOULD BE LIKE A, I MEAN, I, I HATE, YOU KNOW, THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME EXPANDING THAT PARK AND RIDE.
I HATE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, EFFORT TO GO TO WASTE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL OF THEN THE BUS SERVICE IS DISCONTINUED.
UM, AND SO I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A, A CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, SOMEWHERE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT INCREASING THE FREQUENCY OF 1 72, WHICH GOES TO SAN FRANCISCO, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S EARLY MORNING AND THEN LIKE IN THE AFTERNOON, UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN, YOU KNOW, TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE ARE ALL EXCITED THAT THEY CAN DRIVE TO PETALUMA PARKING RIGHT NOW AND GET ON A BUS.
UM, I MEAN I GUESS THEY COULD DRIVE TO PETALUMA AND GET ON SMART AND GET ON AND THEN GET ON
I ALSO FIND IT FASCINATING THAT, UM, THAT THE FERRY WOULD BE FASTER THAN
I LOVE THE FERRY, THE FERRY'S VERY CIVILIZED WAY TO GO.
AGAIN, I MEAN THIS IS ALL ABOUT SCHEDULES AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE CAN MEET THE PEOPLE'S NEEDS, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY I, I WORK IN SAN RAFAEL AND I COULD EASILY TAKE SMART TO MY JOB, BUT I DON'T BECAUSE THE SCHEDULE DOES NOT FIT MY WHAT I WANT TO DO
SO, UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO.
ERIC, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO, YEAH, I THINK, SO.
THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS LIKE, I LOVE SMART.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF US AGREE.
IT'S, IT'S SUCH A GREAT RELIABLE SYSTEM.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M NOTICING AND WHAT I'VE ALWAYS GROWN UP WITH IS MY GRANDMOTHER LIVING IN SAN RAFAEL AND ALWAYS RELYING ON THE 1 0 1.
BUT NOW WITH SMART, WE'VE INCENTIVIZED AND SHE'S, YOU KNOW, VERY EXCITED THAT IT EXISTS.
BUT SHE COMES AND VISITS US ON THE WEEKENDS AND SMART ON THE WEEKENDS IS EVERY TWO HOURS ON THE STATIONS.
AND WHEREAS THE 1 0 1 IS EVERY HOUR, I HAVE ALREADY ISSUES THAT IT'S ALREADY EVERY HOUR AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE, BUT UM, I CAN SEE WHERE THE CONVERSATION'S COMING ABOUT DISCONTINUING FROM NOVATO UP NORTH.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW AND WHAT I WANNA FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IS IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED, CAN WE SEE THAT FREQUENCY INCREASE FOR THE WEEKENDS? UM, I THINK, I MEAN I, FOR STARTERS, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE WEEKEND SCHEDULES FOR SMART AND THINKING WHY WAS IT ALWAYS EVER EVERY TWO HOURS WHEN PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO EXPLORE AND HAVE FREE TIME? AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS CAN BE A VERY, VERY LONG WAIT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY NOT WANT TO COME BACK HOME VERY LATE AT NIGHT AND THEY MISS ONE ONE, UM, SCHEDULED, UH, STOP AND YOU GOTTA WAIT ANOTHER TWO HOURS.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, JARED IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS ONE 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OR I DON'T REMEMBER THE THE NUMBER, BUT I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO A PARK AND RIDE ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE 1 0 1 AND I'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE NOT TO NEED TO USE IT WHEN I WAS, UM, GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE EAST BAY.
BUT DISCONTINUING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE A VERY BIG DISSERVICE FOR FOLKS WHO NEED TO USE THAT TO GET ON THE ONE ON 1 0 1.
AND THEN THE FIVE 80 EXTENSION,
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IF I'M TAKING A SCENARIO LIKE ME AND I WAS STILL IN SCHOOL, WHAT I WOULD PRESUMABLY WANNA DO IS USE LUMA GO TO TAKE ME THERE, BUT I'M NOT EVEN IN THE AREA OF THATSO I WOULD HOPE TO USE LUMA GO TO THEN GET ON THE, TO THE PARK AND RIDE AND THEN TAKE THAT TO THE EAST BAY FROM THE 1 0 1 TO THE FIVE 80 X.
BUT THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ELIMINATED.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY GETTING INTO DOWNTOWN IN THE MORNING, UM, WITH THE TRAFFIC.
AND SO I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S ALSO A CONSIDERATION THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT.
YEAH, SO I'LL TAKE THE LAST ONE FIRST.
SO I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE LAKEVILLE PARK AND RIDE KIND OF ACROSS FROM IN AND OUT.
SO THAT ACTUALLY ISN'T CURRENTLY BEING SERVED BY GOLDEN GATES A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
THEY ACTUALLY DISCONTINUED SERVICE THERE WHEN THEY REROUTED SEVERAL THEIR ROUTES THROUGH PETALUMA.
PART OF THAT TOO IS ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT THE SAFETY OF GETTING INTO THAT, UH, PARKING RIDE.
IT'S SOMEWHAT A LOGISTIC THING, BUT WHEN YOU'RE A BUS IN THERE, IT'S HARD BECAUSE CARS COME AROUND THAT CURVE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
AND SO WE ACTUALLY DON'T SERVE THAT OURSELVES PETALUMA TRANSIT AND STOP SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THAT REASON.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO IS PULL INTO THAT STOP AND THEN CUT ACROSS SEVERAL LANES OF TRAFFIC IF YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT.
ESPECIALLY IT'S A BIT EASIER IF YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO CUT ACROSS AND THERE'S CARS MAY BE FLYING THROUGH THERE AT 50 MILES AN HOUR, SO IT BECOMES A SAFETY CONCERN.
SO THAT, UM, IS THAT BEING SERVED CURRENTLY BY SERVICE? ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL A FUNCTIONAL PARK AND RIDE OVERALL FOR VAN POOLING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE WEEKEND SERVICE, THIS PLAN ACTUALLY DOES ADD EXPANDED SMART SERVICE ON THERE.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT IT DOES DURING THE WEEKDAYS, IT GOES FROM 42 WEEKDAY TRIPS TO 48, AND ON THE WEEKENDS IT GOES FROM 16 TO 24.
ONE OF THE GOALS THERE IS TO HELP FILL IN THE GAPS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SMART SCHEDULE, YOU MAY SEE LATE MORNING, LIKE A 90 MINUTE GAP.
SO IT HELPS TO SHRINK THOSE GAPS.
YOU HAVE MORE REGULAR SERVICE THROUGHOUT.
IT HELPS TO EXPAND THE WEEKEND SCHEDULE AND ADD MORE FREQUENCY AND HAVE IT LATE RIGHT INTO THE NIGHT.
DID I COVER ALL OF THEM OR YOU DID? YEAH.
SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID WITH THE, THE SECOND PART I WAS NOT COMPLETELY AWARE AND, AND UP TO DATE ON, ON THAT USAGE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR PEER REVIEW.
BUT THE SECOND PART, YES, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE EXPANSION, UH, ON THE WEEKENDS.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVEN I, MYSELF HAVE WANTED TO SEE BENEFITED FROM.
YEAH, ALL, I MEAN, UH, ALL GREAT QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THE, UM, GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT 1 0 1 ROUTE.
UM, THAT WAS THE, THE THING THAT, UH, POPPED INTO MY MIND AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION.
UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PETALUMA USE THE GOLDEN GATE ALL THE WAY TO SAN FRANCISCO TODAY? THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT 1 0 1 ROUTE.
THE IMPACTED ROUTE? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO, BUT I'LL GET YOU THAT DATA.
UM, OVERALL OVER 90% OF THE TRIPS IN THE CORRIDOR, ACTUALLY WITHIN MARIN AND SONOMA COUNTY, SO I DO KNOW IT'S LESS THAN 10%, BUT I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMMUTING FROM PETALUMA GOING ALL THE WAY INTO THE CITY.
AND YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO COMMUTES, UH, TO MARIN, UM, I RECOGNIZE THE, UM, SENSITIVITY OVER SCHEDULES.
UM, SCHEDULES CAN BE, CAN MAKE OR BREAK WHETHER YOU USE TRANSIT OR NOT.
UM, AND WITH SOMEONE WHO LIVES HERE AND WORKS IN THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, CHANGES LIKE THIS COULD HAVE REAL IMPLICATIONS ON, UH, THEIR ABILITY TO GET TO WORK.
AND UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING IS IF THERE'S, UM, AND, AND, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF SEVERAL OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT I HEARD, UM, JUST REALLY, UH, UNDERSTAND HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IF SERVICE IS GOING TO, UH, LESSEN OR IF IT'S GOING TO INCREASE IN TERMS OF IF GOLDEN GATE, IF IF, UH, THE 1 0 1 ROUTE GOES AWAY, IS SMART GOING TO EXPAND TO COVER THE ALL OF THE HOURS THAT THE 1 0 1 RUNS TODAY, RIGHT? THAT SORT OF THING.
AND WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, I THINK FOR ME AND PERHAPS FOR THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE GREAT TO GET LIKE SOME KIND OF VISUAL OR CHART THAT SHOWS THE SORT OF A SIDE BY SIDE OF IMPACTED ROUTES, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING IS GOING AWAY, BEING ABLE TO VISUALLY SEE WHAT'S REPLACING IT.
UM, AND UH, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT COULD HELP ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
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AND IT WOULD ALSO BE, I THINK, UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS TO SEE, UH, HOW THE FARES CHANGE, RIGHT? I TAKING SMART TO THE LARKS FERRY AND TAKING THE LARKS FERRY INTO SAN FRANCISCO SOUNDS GREAT.AND YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CHANGES OR, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT COMPARES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN PLACE TODAY.
I MEAN, OVERALL I'M SUPPORTIVE.
LIKE I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
UH, AND I LIKE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA LIKE, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE DUPLICITOUS ROUTES TODAY.
I'M SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EMPTY BUSES RIDING ALONG NEXT TO FULL BUSES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE EMPTY BUS COULD, YOU KNOW, ISN'T NEEDED.
AND I, AND I, AND SO I APPLAUD, UH, THE OVERALL EFFORT, UM, AND THE MISSION HERE.
UM, BUT UH, I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA WHO MAY BE FORCED INTO ANOTHER TR TRANSIT OPTION THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT PREPARED FOR.
THAT'S ALL GREAT INPUT AND QUESTIONS.
UH, WE WILL, I'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO THE TEAM.
I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED WE'RE DOING A PROJECT WEBSITE STILL BEING DEVELOPED AND OF COURSE THAT OPEN HOUSE.
BUT I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT ITEMS. THINGS LIKE LOOKING AT HOW YOUR FARE WOULD BE MODIFIED, GOING FROM THE DIFFERENT PLACES LIKE PETALUMA, SANTA ROSA, PETALUMA CITY, LOOKING AT WHICH ROUTES YOU WOULD BE SHIFTING TO AND FROM, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF MAPS AND DATA THAT WE'LL PRE PRESENTING IN MORE DETAIL AS WE GO FORWARD AND ROLL THIS OUT TO THE KIND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH ASPECTS.
UH, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECT THAT, UH, PETALUMA TRANSIT REALLY REMAINS UNIMPACTED OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME BETTER FREQUENCY ON TWO AND 11? DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT'S KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THIS.
THAT'S A GRANT THAT PETALUMA RECEIVED.
THERE IS SOME FUNDING SHIFTING THAT RESULTS FROM ALL THIS, THAT SHIFT SOME OF THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM THE GOLDEN GATE SIDE TOWARDS THE LOCAL AGENCIES TO IMPLEMENT MORE SERVICE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS FOR PETALUMA AS WELL.
BUT GENERALLY THE MAIN BENEFIT THAT YOU WOULD SEE WOULD BE THE INCREASE IN THE SMART SERVICE WOULD BE THE PRIMARY BENEFIT FROM THE, UH, PETALUMA PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UM, SO I KNOW THIS STUDY IS LARGELY THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR.
IS THERE, UM, ANY SIMILAR WORK? UH, AND I, I THINK THIS CAME UP AT ONE POINT, UM, BUT IS THERE ANY SIMILAR WORK BEING DONE TO, UH, SORT OF IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCIES WITHIN SONOMA COUNTY? UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING TO AND FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN SONOMA COUNTY CAN BE A CHALLENGE, HAVING TO TAKE MULTIPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE EFFORTS, UM, OR IS THERE CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AT THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY YES.
THERE IS, RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN A STUDY CALLED THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT INTEGRATION EFFICIENCY STUDY OR TIES THAT WAS COMPLETED ABOUT TWO TO THREE YEARS AGO.
AND THAT TALKS ABOUT OVERLAP AND EFFICIENCIES IN SEVERAL REGARDS, FAIR TYPES, BRANDING ROUTES, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS ARE INCLUDED IN THERE.
SO YOU BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN SONOMA COUNTY IS ACTUALLY, UM, KICKING OFF OVER THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE MONTHS, A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS OF THEIR AREA, LOOKING AT HOW THEY PROVIDE SERVICE TO THEIR DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE PETALUMA TRANSIT SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, WHICH IS FOCUSED WITHIN THE CITY.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY A FEW OF THOSE EFFORTS EITHER COMPLETED OR OCCURRING IN THE NEAR TERM TO LOOK AT MORE OF THOSE THINGS LIKE HOW YOU GO FROM PETALUMA TO SANTA ROSA AND FROM PETALUMA, NOVATO, ET CETERA.
WERE THERE ANY MEANINGFUL CHANGES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED OUT OF THE TIES PROJECT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? YEAH, VERY MUCH SO.
SO THAT GROUP MEETS EVERY WEEK TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT COLLABORATION PROJECTS.
SO ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE DID IS WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A, UH, WEBSITE THAT HAS SHARED DESIGN ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
SANTA ROSA ROLLED THEIRS OUT ALREADY, AND PETALUMA SONOMA COUNTY ARE WORKING ON OURS, BE READY IN ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
WE'RE USING SIMILAR, UH, SERVICE MODIFICATION DATES GOING FORWARD IS THE PLAN.
WE'RE CREATING SIMILAR PARATRANSIT APPLICATIONS.
WE'RE WORKING ON CREATING ONE WEBPAGE THAT'S A LANDING PAGE THAT CAN DIRECT YOU TO ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND
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HAVE SHARED INFO ON IT.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING MORE COMMON BRANDING ELEMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LATER ON WITH AN ITEM FOR ONE OF THE PHASE TWO GRANTS IS A WAY FINDING PROJECT.
AND THAT WOULD, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE MORE CONSISTENT SIGNAGE AT ALL BUS STOPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SO THERE'S REALLY ABOUT 30 OR SO THINGS.
I WON'T NAME 'EM ALL IDENTIFIED IN THAT STUDY, BUT IT KIND OF DIVIDED IT INTO FOUR PHASES.
WE'RE KIND OF NEAR THE END OF PHASE TWO, AND WE'VE IMPLEMENTED ABOUT A DOZEN OF THOSE ITEMS, I WOULD SAY READY FROM THAT PLAN.
I REALIZE I TOOK US OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT, NO PUN INTENDED.
UM, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH THAT AND, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO MAYBE SEE A PRESENTATION ON.
SO I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, UM, AND I HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF HEARING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT DAVE SAID, AND GETTING THE UPDATES ALL ALONG ON MASCOTS HAS BEEN GREAT, AND IT'S WONDERFUL THAT YOU'RE DOING IT AND WE EXPECT PERFECTION,
AND EQUALLY, IF NOT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ON SCHEDULES FOR OUR SCHEDULED OPEN HOUSES IN AT PAC.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, EVEN IF YOU PUT DRAFT ON IT, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THAT THE FREQUENCY OR THE NUMBER OF TRIPS IS GOING FROM 16 TO 24 KIND OF MEANINGLESS TO ME.
I SAY THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT VERY MANY.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK MAYBE IT IS.
I DON'T KNOW
UM, AND THEN BRINGING TOGETHER WHAT DAVE WAS SAYING AND WHAT PATTY SAID, UM, ABOUT THE PRODUCTIVITY VERSUS COVERAGE, I THINK THE LATE NIGHT COMES UNDER COVERAGE.
AND I'M THINKING ABOUT MY DECADES IN SAN FRANCISCO, AND THERE'S THE OWL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THE, A FEW ROOTS AND MODIFIED ROOTS, BUT THAT KEEP IT GOING.
AND PATTY WAS, YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY GOT ON THE BUS AND INTERVIEWED PEOPLE, BUT YOU CAN IF YOU WANT AFTER I'M DONE.
BUT, UM, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHO IS RIDING THOSE LATE NIGHT BUSES BACK FROM SAN FRANCISCO, IT'S FOR THREE YEARS BEFORE I FINALLY, MY CATARACTS WERE BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY WOULD DO SURGERY ON 'EM.
AND THEN I GOT IN THE FIRST, IN THE FRONT OF THE LINE, I COULD NOT DRIVE AT NIGHT.
AND SO GOING TO AN EVENING EVENT OR A DINNER PARTY, UH, IN SAN FRANCISCO WAS DEPENDENT UPON THE 1 0 1 GETTING ME HOME AGAIN.
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SOCIALIZED WITH WOULD SAY, WE'LL GET YOU TO THE BUS, WE'LL GET YOU TO THE BUS STOP.
THEY WERE MY FIRST AND LAST MILE.
AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, AM HAPPILY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, OR I COULD HAVE PARKED MY CAR NEAR THE 1 0 1 BUS STOP.
SO ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE AT NIGHT, AND PERHAPS IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THE 1 0 1 STOPS IN SAN RAFAEL, BUT THERE'S A SMALL SHUTTLE.
AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE LATE NIGHT TRIPS I TOOK, THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BUS.
IT WASN'T A FULL BUS, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE.
SO THERE AS, THAT'S MY STORY, AND THEY ALL HAVE THEIRS.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY WE, WE NEED OUR OWL SERVICE.
AND OH, YES, 1 0 1 INTO THE CITY IS ABOUT A HUNDRED TIMES FASTER THAN THE TRAIN TO THE FERRY IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE MARINA OR TO GOLDEN GATE PARK, OR TO YOUR FRIENDS THAT LIVE, YOU KNOW, NEAR UCSF.
AND THAT'S MOST OF WHERE I GO AND IT'S LIKE IF I END UP DOWN AT THE FERRY BUILDING, IT'S ANOTHER HOUR TO GET THERE.
SO IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT A EVEN COMPARISON.
IT'S WHERE DO YOU WANNA GO? BUT THE FIRST THING WHEN I READ THE REPORT, I WAS LIKE, THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME.
HOW WOULD HE'S LIKE, I CAN TAKE, I CAN TAKE SMART TO SAN RAFAEL AND WALK FOUR MINUTES TO GET TO THE SAN RAFAEL TRANSIT CENTER.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THAT EXISTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO THE NOVATO BUS FROM SMART, BUT, YOU KNOW, WALKING FOUR MINUTES, TO ME, I DON'T SEE IT AS A PROBLEM AS LONG AS THE, THE SCHEDULE.
BUT, SO LET'S, LET'S SEE, SCHEDULES AND STUFF
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AT THAT, THE OUTREACH.SO AGAIN, STILL WAYS AGO IN THE STUDY, UH, I'LL LET EVERYONE KNOW HERE ON THIS GROUP AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THE DETAILS OF THAT OPEN HOUSE AND THAT'LL HAVE MUCH MORE DETAIL WITH MAPS AND WITH SCHEDULES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE THIS GROUP TO PROVIDE UPDATES AND ADDITIONAL MILESTONES AS WELL.
SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? AND IF YOU HAVE NOT FILLED OUT A CARD, PLEASE, PLEASE DO SO.
CAN I SPEAK AND THEN FILL IT OUT,
SO, I'M DAN AMP AND I'M ON THE CLIMATE COMMISSION.
AND I CAME TONIGHT JUST TO OBSERVE AND I HAD NO IDEA THAT I'D BE SPEAKING, SO, BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS I COMMUTED TO THE CITY FOR 10 YEARS, UH, BOTH TO THE FINANCIAL DISTRICT AND TO, UH, THE CIVIC CENTER.
UH, FORTUNATELY I WAS VERY SPOILED, SO I ONLY HAD TO WALK ONE BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE TO THE CORNER OF, UH, MARIA IN EAST WASHINGTON.
JUMPED ON THE BUS, GOT OFF AND WALKED ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND THREE BLOCKS TO MY OFFICE.
SO NOW THE BUS, THE GOLDEN GATE BUS LINES ARE NO MORE REALLY, EXCEPT FOR THE 1 0 1.
UM, BUT WHERE I COME FROM TODAY IS I, I LIKE TO SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WHEN I GO TO THE AIRPORT.
SO I WILL TAKE SMART TO THE GOLDEN GATE FERRY, WHICH COSTS $12 IF YOU BUY YOUR TICKET AHEAD OF TIME.
AND THEN, UH, THEN BART TO SFO.
AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I LIKE TO SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND I'M ALSO VERY FRUGAL.
SO IT COSTS LESS THAN HALF OF THE AIRPORT BUS, HOWEVER, IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY THREE HOURS TO GET THERE.
AND IT'S A REAL DRAG TO HAVE TO GET OFF THE SMART WITH YOUR LUGGAGE AND SCHLEP TO THE FERRY.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS A WAIT FOR THE FERRY.
SO I WOULD APPLAUD, UH, BEING ABLE TO GET ON THE SMART, GET OFF IN SAN RAFAEL, GET ON A GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT BUS THAT RUNS FREQUENTLY, GET ME INTO THE CITY AND GET ON, LIKE, SAY THE CIVIC CENTER, UH, AT THE CIVIC CENTER BART STATION, AND SHOOT THE SFO.
SO I TRY TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT THE SCHEDULES DON'T ALWAYS ALIGN.
UM, ONE THING THAT I, THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED IS LUGGAGE.
SO I'VE NEVER HAD A, A PROBLEM WITH MY CARRY ON LUGGAGE ON SMART OR THE LARGE FOR FERRY.
SO I THINK YOU SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.
UM, SO IF I WERE TO GET ON SMART, GET OFF, WALK FOUR MINUTES TO THE SAN RAFAEL BUS STATION, HOP ON A GOLDEN GATE BUS, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, FIVE, 10 MINUTES AND SHOOT INTO THE CITY, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD STORE THAT CARRY ON, OR I RARELY CHECK LUGGAGE, BUT IF I HAD IT UNDERNEATH THE BUS THAT THEY WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND I THINK, UH, UH, I THINK MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TAKING, UM, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THE AIRPORT, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S GREAT IF YOU HAVE THE TIME AND THE SCHEDULE LINE, AND IT'S NOT POURING DOWN RAIN, WHICH I WOULDN'T WANNA WALK TO A LARGER.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? AND DID ANYONE, UH, EMAIL OR, OKAY, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE BASED ON OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? JUST, JUST ONE.
I, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH, BUT I THINK IT REALLY UNDERSCORES THREE, THREE DIFFERENT FOLKS WHO SPOKE ABOUT THIS.
ONE MENTIONING THE SENSITIVITY OF, OF RIDERS, ESPECIALLY PETALUMA RIDERS MENTIONING OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY AND, AND THEN FOLKS WITH LUGGAGE LOOKING TO TRAVEL.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD NOT, THAT HAD NOT OCCURRED TO ME IN THE BEGINNING WAS, YES, FREQUENCY IS IMPORTANT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT.
BUT CAPACITY IS ANOTHER THING TOO, BECAUSE AS MUCH AS THE 1 0 1 ROUTE RIGHT NOW, PERHAPS IT'S NOT AT CAPACITY, BUT IT IS SERVING FOLKS ALL THE WAY FROM WHO MAY BE COMING FROM SANTA ROSA OR PEOPLE COMING IN RUNNER PARK, PETALUMA, ALL GOING DOWN TO SAN FRANCISCO.
AND I THINK, WE'LL, I GUESS WE'LL SEE IT AS WE MOVE ALONG THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS.
BUT IS IT GONNA BE A JOYFUL EXPERIENCE? ARE PEOPLE GONNA HAVE TO BE STANDING? BECAUSE EVEN ON WEEKDAYS, IT, IT'S, IT CAN BE AT CAPACITY AT TIMES.
AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING HOW PEOPLE FEEL WHEN THEY'RE COMING HOME FROM WORK.
THEY'RE TIRED, IT'S PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, DISABILITIES, IT'S SENIORS, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE AN EXHAUSTING TIME.
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I, I REALLY THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATION OR EVEN COVERAGE, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH AN EQUITY STANDPOINT AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SENSITIVE TO ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE ARE WRITING.ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT, UM, CONCLUDES THE MASCOT'S, UM, PRESENTATION AND THE, UH, NEXT PRESENTATION IS THE BUS STOP, A DA ASSESSMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UH, THIS IS ONE WE'VE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON BEFORE, BUT WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION AND GET INPUT FROM EVERYONE.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL PASS THINGS ON TO CARLY.
SO, OH, IS THIS WORKING? OKAY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK PRESENTATION ON HOW WE KEEP TRACK OF ALL OF OUR BUS STOPS, HOW WE UPDATE THAT INVENTORY, UM, HOW WE PRIORITIZE STOPS THAT ARE IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT AND HOW THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
UM, SO THE CITY USES A PROGRAM CALLED GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS OR GIS AND THIS ALLOWS US TO CUSTOMIZE A MAP HOWEVER WE LIKE WITH THE ABILITY TO LIKE OVERLAY INFORMATION.
UM, AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE GIS MAP THAT WE USE TO KEEP AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE CITY'S BUS STOPS.
UM, THIS MAP INCLUDES OUR BUS ROUTES, THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE AREA, THE CITY LIMITS, AND OF COURSE OUR BUS STOPS THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY ALL THESE LITTLE DOTS IN THE MIDDLE.
SO WHEN YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THOSE DOTS IN THE SYSTEM, UM, IT PULLS UP SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THAT STOP AND THIS INFORMATION BOX WILL TELL US THINGS LIKE THE STOP ID, THE LOCATION, UM, THE DIRECTION, WHETHER OR NOT THE STOP IS SHARED WITH ANOTHER AGENCY AND EVEN THE STOPS COORDINATES.
AND THEN WE ALSO LIKE TO ATTACH PHOTOS OF THE SHELTER, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE STREET DESIGN MM-HMM
UM, SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE INVENTORY UPDATES ON GI ON THE GIS WEBSITE OR IF WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD WE CAN USE, UM, THE ARC GIS FIELD MAP APP.
UM, THIS ALLOWS US TO UPLOAD NEW PICTURES AND NOTE ANY CHANGES TO THE BUS STOPS IN REAL, IN REAL TIME WHILE WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD.
UM, AND WE UPDATE ALL OF OUR STOPS ONCE A YEAR.
AND TO MAKE IT EASIER, WE KIND OF DIVIDED THE CITY UP INTO FOUR DIFFERENT ZONES, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE ON THE SIDE.
UM, AND THAT WAY IT'S LIKE EASIER TO DO ONE ZONE AT A TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO THIS MAP SHOWS ALL THE STOPS THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WE'RE SUPER GRATEFUL TO HAVE OUR AMAZING INTERN DO THIS FOR US BECAUSE IT'S A VERY TIME INTENSIVE TASK.
UM, BUT ONCE UPDATES LIKE THIS ARE DONE, UM, I WOULD GO THROUGH AND SEE IF ANY STOPS NEED IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN I WOULD PRIORITIZE FROM THERE AND THEN CREATE WORK PLANS TO HAVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
SO SOME OTHER RESOURCES, UM, WE USE, UM, COME FROM CUSTOMER COMMENTS AND OUR MAINTENANCE CREW AND ALSO OUR BUS DRIVERS.
SO ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO LEAVE COMMENTS ON OUR WEBSITE ABOUT OUR SERVICE OR OUR STOPS.
AND THIS CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL IF THERE'S ANY LIKE NEW GRAFFITI OR DAMAGE THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR AWESOME IN-HOUSE MAINTENANCE TEAM AND OS THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD DAILY WORKING ON OUR SHELTERS.
UM, SO WE CREATED A FORM FOR THEM THAT THEY CAN FILL OUT ON THEIR PHONE OR THEIR TABLETS, UM, OF ANY NEW DAMAGES OR SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY FILL OUT THIS FORM, I GET A DIRECT EMAIL, UM, SO I CAN ASSESS THE SEVERITY OF THE DAMAGE.
SO I PRIORITIZE STOP IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THEIR LOCATION RIDERSHIP SEVERITY OF IMPROVEMENT AND EXISTING CONDITION.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE DO COME ACROSS SAFETY OR ACCESSIBILITY CONCERNS, THAT BECOMES TOP PRIORITY.
SO SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY ARE IMPORTANT FACTORS, UM, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN DESIGNING AND MAN MAINTAINING BUS STOPS.
WE USE GUIDELINES FROM THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR STOPS ARE COMPLIANT WITH THOSE RULES.
AND THESE GUIDELINES INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BOARDING AND A LIGHTING AREAS, CONNECTIONS TO PATHWAYS, UM, BUS, SHELTER AND AMENITIES, SIGNAGE, INFORMATION, LIGHTING AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, A DOCUMENT WE OFTEN REFERENCE IS THE A DA ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES FOR BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME REFERENCE PHOTOS FROM THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE USE AS LIKE A RESOURCE, UM, WHEN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
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SO ONCE WE GATHER ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THE CONDITIONS OF OUR BUS STOPS, WE CAN START PRIORITIZING AND MAKING PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENT.UM, A BIG PART OF THIS IS LOOKING FOR FUNDING AND APPLYING FOR GRANTS.
UM, CREW AND MATERIALS CAN GET REALLY EXPENSIVE, SO WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MAKE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, AND THAT CAN BE A REALLY BIG ROADBLOCK FOR US.
BUT ONCE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE, WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE WORK ORDERS AND SEND THEM TO OUR STREETS TEAM.
AND THEN ONCE THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE, WE ACTUALLY GO BACK OUT TO THE SITE TO EVALUATE THE WORK AND CONFIRM THAT EVERYTHING IS SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE.
SO THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP OUR PROCESS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR LIKE, THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS ON THIS PROCESS? YES, FRANK, UH, JUST A COUPLE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UM, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT WE CONTRACT WITH, UH, AN ORGANIZATION TO GO OUT TO OUR BUS STOPS AND DO MAINTENANCE.
CAN YOU REMIND ME WHO THAT ORGANIZATION IS? YES, THAT'S OS, OS OR UM, SAC MAYBE, SORRY.
UH, WE HAVE TWO THAT WE CONTRACT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OS S OR SUPERVISED ADULT CREWS HELP WITH LIKE INSTALLING A BENCHES SOMETIMES.
BUT THE GROUP THAT'S OUT THERE MAINTAINING AND CLEANING THE STOPS IS OS UH, WHICH IS OLD ADO, ADOBE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEY NOW FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY OF THE NORTH BAY ORGANIZATION.
ARE WE DEPENDENT ON OUR MAINTENANCE GROUPS? UH, SORRY, THE OS, UH, AND UH, AND, AND SIMILAR AS WELL AS THE DRIVERS, UM, THAT ARE DRIVING BY BUS STOPS.
ARE THEY THE ONES THAT ARE REPORTING WHEN ISSUES OCCUR? YEAH, SO I ACTUALLY GET INFORMATION FROM LIKE TONS OF SOURCES.
SO OUR DRIVERS WILL CALL IN OR LIKE LET US KNOW, UM, IF THEY NOTICE ANYTHING.
OS IS OUT IN THE FIELD, I THINK THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN I HAVE LIKE A DATABASE OF ALL THOSE THINGS.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE CREW WHO CAN DO LIKE MINOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS TO BUS STOPS, FIX THINGS, MAYBE CLEAN THINGS, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME FORM THAT UM, THEY CAN FILL OUT.
UM, AND LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ESPECIALLY THAT'S HELPFUL WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE BROKEN GLASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF RIGHT AWAY.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK LAST QUESTION.
UH, WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY THAT WE ARE DOING JUST GENERAL CLEANING MAINTENANCE AT THE BUS STOPS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO OS IS GOING OUT NOT TO ALL THE STOPS.
WE HAVE UM, KIND OF A LIST OF 40 TO 50 STOPS THAT THEY DO REGULARLY.
UM, AND THOSE ARE LIKE OUR MAIN LIKE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP STOPS.
UM, JARED, DO YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN THE REST OF OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM GOES OUT? I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC FREQUENCY.
YEAH, SO OS THEY HAVE A LIST WITH ABOUT 40 STOPS, LIKE CARLY SAID, HIGH IMPACT, HIGH USAGE STOPS LIKE ETC, THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER AND COPELAND TRANSIT MALL, THOSE GET HIT MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK ABOUT THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
THE LIGHTEST, UH, DUTY STOPS, ONES THAT DON'T HAVE TRASH CANS, BENCHES GET VISITED AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
AND THEN THE STAFF PROVIDED BY MV TRANSPORTATION, THEY'RE OUT THERE THREE TO FOUR DAYS A WEEK SERVICING THE STOPS.
AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE EMPTYING TRASH, UM, CLEANING GRAFFITI, CLEANING GLASS PANELS ON BUS SHELTERS, IDENTIFYING ISSUES OR SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, FOR US TO IMPROVE MORE IMMEDIATE AS AN ONGOING KIND OF CAPITAL PROJECT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY ROBUST FROM WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
I MEAN, I FEEL, AND HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THAT IT'S REALLY IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS.
I THINK IT'S A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE WITH THE CLEANLINESS OF THE STOP, HOW FAST WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS GRAFFITI AND ESPECIALLY WITH MAJOR STOPS ARE GETTING HIT AT LEAST THREE DAYS A WEEK CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, SO THE, THE GIS UM, TRACKER IS THAT THAT'S WHAT WE CAN SEE ONLINE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO YOU GUYS, UM, OR THE PUBLIC HAS KIND OF LIKE A LIMITED VIEW UHHUH OF WHAT YOU CAN SEE.
YOU CAN LIKE GO ON AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR ROUTES AND LIKE TURN ON AND OFF LAYERS, LOOK AT ALL THE BUS STOPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I HAVE A MORE DETAILED VIEW AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GO IN AND LIKE UPDATE ALL THE LIKE INFO, LIKE, OH, THERE'S A BENCH
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HERE, THERE'S A SHELTER HERE.'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE SCREENSHOT THAT YOU GUYS GAVE AND I MEAN, FOR THE MOST PART IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S LIKE CODED TEXT TO KNOW LIKE WHAT TO ID, THE LOCATION, THE DIRECTION, ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT UM, I MEAN, I SEE IT SAYS ONE OF TWO, SO I'D IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY BLURBS OF INFORMATION THAT FOLLOW IT, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK, LET ME LOOK ACTUALLY, I THINK THE SCREENSHOT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE YEAH.
SO THE POINT THAT I'M, I'M LEADING TO THAT IS, UM, THE GOOGLE FORM THAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO KIND OF SUBMIT WHAT, WHAT FOLKS SEE, I'M NOTICING THERE'S COMPONENTS OF IT BEING IN SPANISH, BUT THE, THE PART OF THE GIS TRACKER AND LOOKING AT THAT IS, IS THAT ALSO TRANSLATING TO SPANISH? NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR INTERNAL STAFF TO LOOK AT.
UM, THIS FORM THAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT'S LIKE OUR MAIN WEBSITE FORM.
SO YOU CAN, THAT'S FOR LIKE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN SUBMIT ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU, YOU NEED TO KNOW.
SO I GUESS MY POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SUBMIT SOMETHING AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY BECAUSE IT'S IN SPANISH, BUT WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TRACKER FROM A PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE AND IT'S ONLY IN ENGLISH AND THEY MAY WANNA SYNC UP WHAT THEY'RE SEEING FROM THE TRACKER AND THEN SUBMIT WHATEVER THEY'RE FINDING TO THEN THE GOOGLE FORM.
SO WE USE LIKE GIS IS LIKE, UM, A BIGGER SYSTEM THAT WE USE AND I'M ACTUALLY WONDERING IF THERE'S LIKE A WAY THAT YOU CAN LIKE SWITCH FROM ENGLISH TO SPANISH ON THE WEBSITE.
I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND THEN THIS IS A, JUST A BROADER QUESTION ON THE TOPIC OF IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND MAINTAINING, UM, THE STATIONS, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING FOR GENERAL COMMENT, BUT UM, HAS THE CITY EVER LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERISM? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN HR CASE WAITING TO HAPPEN, BUT
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PROGRAM.
SOME COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE LIKE ONGOING VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AND ADOPT THE STOP BUS STOP PROGRAM.
I WOULD SAY WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF REQUESTS OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE NECESSARILY ASKING PEOPLE'S INTERESTS AND GAUGING THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO GOING FORWARD, BUT THUS FAR NO ONE'S BEEN BEATING DOWN OUR DOOR, I WOULD SAY TO KIND OF, RIGHT.
YEAH, NO, I, I FIGURED 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH INTEREST IT HAS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO PART OF WHAT WE DO AS OUTREACH THAT MAYBE IT'S THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND PEOPLE MIGHT BE EXCITED TO DO THAT, TO LEND A HAND WHEN THEY CAN.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY INTEGRATE INTO THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN IS MORE OF A DISCUSSION ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND SEE IF THAT PROGRAM AND OTHER SIMILAR ONES PIQUE PEOPLE'S INTEREST FOR SOMETHING GOING FORWARD.
READY? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION CARLY.
UM, SO THE CITY ROLLED OUT THIS, UH, EEN ENGAGE APP WHERE YOU CAN, UM, TAKE A PHOTO OF A PROBLEM AND SUBMIT IT AND THEN LIKE PUBLIC WORKS OR SOMEBODY COMES AROUND AND HAS A LOOK AT IT.
DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO TO THAT? WE DO, YEAH.
SO, UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE FORMS THAT I SHOWED WHERE WE WOULD KIND OF LIKE, WE HAVE LIKE A GENERAL TRANSIT EMAIL THAT LIKE ME AND JARED AND LIKE EVERYONE ON OUR SIDE GETS THOSE EMAILS.
SO THOSE WOULD GET SHOT THERE AND THEN WE'D KIND OF LIKE FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FROM THERE.
BUT THAT'S A GREAT WAY, IF YOU GUYS EVER
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, NO QUESTIONS.
I, I KNOW FUNDING IS LIMITED, BUT DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY OF OUR TRANSIT STOPS TODAY ARE NOT, UH, COMPLIANT WITH A DA? NONE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF ARE.
YES, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD AND I REALIZE THAT FUNDING IS AN ISSUE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE MORE OF THE BUS STOPS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF COVER FOR SHADE OR FOR RAIN, THAT SEEMS TO ME SOMETHING TO PRIORITIZE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T, IN TERMS OF COST BENE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST COSTLY THINGS, BUT IT CERTAINLY,
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YOU KNOW, STANDING OUT ON THE BOULEVARD AND THE RAIN IS EASIER, YOU PUT UP YOUR UMBRELLA AND YOUR HOOD, BUT IN THE SUN, I GUESS I'LL GET MY PARASOL.THAT, THAT'S, I LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
QUICK ASIDE ON THAT, UH, THOSE, A BUS SHELTER IS ONE OF THE MORE EXPENSIVE THINGS YOU CAN DO.
PERHAPS ABOUT 25 TO 30,000, ALTHOUGH IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL THINGS.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOST IMPROVES THE EXPERIENCE AND GETS PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CAR TO REALLY RIDE TRANSIT.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON, UM, THIS PRESENTATION? THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AND THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY ONLINE COMMENTS? NO, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE THIRD PRESENTATION.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD MAKE ONE COMMENT.
OH, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR SCHEDULES ARE.
WHAT'S THAT? DID I FORGET YOU? NO, NO, YOU, YOU'RE DOING FINE.
YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE CLOSE BY SEVEN, CORRECT? I KNOW THERE ARE ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE ON HERE THAT REQUIRE A VOTE.
UH, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'D ASK THE TRANSIT MANAGER WHETHER WE NEED TO JUMP DOWN THERE OR WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY'S ABILITY IS TO STAY PAST SEVEN.
I THINK WE ARE PICKING UP SPEED.
UM, BUT, AND IN RETROSPECT I WOULD, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU TO MOVE THE BUGGIES AND SHOPPING CARTS TO NUMBER ONE.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT IT WAS AT THE THIRD ITEM BECAUSE I DID GO AROUND INVITING OTHER COMMITTEES TO COME AND I KNOW WE LOST TWO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE WE, WE RAN SO LONG.
BUT IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME UNTIL I WAS SITTING HERE THAT I COULD HAVE ASKED.
SO, UM, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE PRESENTATIONS ARE THAT REQUIRE A VOTE? I WOULD PROBABLY SAY ABOUT THREE TO FIVE MINUTES ON THE PRESENTATION.
UH, WHAT WE COULD DO ALTERNATIVELY IS, UH, MR. ALDEN PRESENTED IS FLIP THE ORDER PERHAPS AND DO THE BUSINESS ITEMS FIRST AND THE PRESENTATION TO PEOPLE LIKE, UH, WE COULD ALSO ALWAYS RUN BEYOND SEVEN.
IT'S NOT A HARD TIME LIMIT, IT'S REALLY MORE UP TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GO BEYOND THAT.
IF WE NEED MORE TIME BEYOND SEVEN, CAN ANYONE NOT STAY BEYOND SEVEN THIS EVENING? WILL ANYBODY BE SERVING DINNER? PARDON ME?
OH, IF WE, IF WE WENT TO SEVEN 15, IS THERE ANYONE WHO COULD NOT STAY THAT LONG? INCLUDING STAFF? YOU GET TO SAY SO
ALRIGHT, LET'S PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA AS PLANNED.
SO I'LL DIVE IN AGAIN, UH, FOR PRESENTATION HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS ITEM BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT TO HAVE A OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON.
IT'S A DISCUSSION OF, UH, THE POLICY FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT ON STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS.
SO IN TERMS OF AN OVERVIEW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED TO THE POLICY AND CONSIDERATIONS OF DO WE WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES GOING FORWARD TO THE POLICY OR NOT.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT OUR CURRENT POLICY IS FOR STROLLERS AND CHOP CARTS.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT CONSIDERATIONS FOR SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, EVEN GET INTO VEHICLE DESIGN WITH BUS AND TEARS A BIT, HAVE AN OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION AND THEN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT GOING FORWARD.
SO IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T READ THE CURRENT PETALUMA TRANSIT POLICY, AND OF COURSE IT'S ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT POLICY, WHAT WE CALL FOR IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO RIDE A PETALUMA TRANSIT BUS WITH A STROLLER, IT MUST BE COLLAPSED BEFORE BOARDING.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT CHILDREN WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE STROLLER AND THAT THEY WOULD BE SAFELY STOWED AWAY FROM AISLES AND SAFETY EXITS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT A, UM, SAFETY CONCERN FOR PEOPLE ONBOARD THE BUS.
IN TERMS OF SHOPPING CARTS, WE, UH, COMMERCIAL OR LARGE SIZED CARTS, DOLLAR DOLLIES AND STROLLERS ARE PROHIBITED, LESS COLLAPSED.
WE DO ALLOW SMALLER CARTS AND YOU CAN SEE THERE AN ILLUSTRATION.
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WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT MAXIMUM SIZE.IT'S NOT REALLY THAT DETAILED AND WE DON'T BREAK OUT THE RULER TO SAY THIS IS ALLOWED OR ISN'T.
BUT GENERALLY, A LARGE FULL SIZE SHOPPING CART WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THAT BLOCKS AISLE AND CREATE SAFETY CONCERNS.
WE ENCOURAGE, ALTHOUGH OF COURSE WE CAN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO USE MORE OF THE CART YOU SEE IN THE UPPER GREEN CIRCLE BECAUSE THOSE ONES ARE MORE TIDY AND YOU CAN STILL USE THOSE WITHOUT GENERALLY BLOCKING THE AISLE.
SO THOSE TYPE OF CARTS ARE PERMITTED IF THEY'RE SECURED, NOT ROLLING AROUND AND NOT BLOCKING PASSAGEWAYS DURING CROWDING CONDITIONS.
HOWEVER, WE MAY ASK FROM TIME TO TIME PEOPLE TO COLLAPSE THOSE IF THEY'RE TAKING UP SEAT AREAS, AS THAT'S ALWAYS GENERALLY A PRIORITY.
AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS IN THE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
THE POLICIES, THE WAY WE SET THEM UP AND WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR GOING FORWARD IS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE ONBOARD THE BUS FIRST AND FOREMOST.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING'S MOVING AROUND, THAT EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE A CART OR A UM, STROLLER, BUT EVERYONE ON THE BUS REALLY.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE ALWAYS PRIORITIZE WHEELCHAIRS AND MOBILITY DEVICES.
THOSE ARE KIND OF PRIORITY NUMBER ONE ON BUSES.
YOU HATE TO ASK PEOPLE TO MOVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ADD LIKE A SHOPPING CARTS, BUT IF IT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUS AND THOSE FLIP UP SEATS, THOSE ARE ALWAYS OFFERED FIRST TO PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS OR THOSE OTHER TYPES OF DEVICES.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE AND ACCESSIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS, AGAIN, GENERALLY YOU DON'T WANNA BLOCK AISLES OR EXITS.
YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WALK AROUND OBSTRUCTIONS OR RISK THEM TRIPPING ON SOMETHING THAT'S OVERSIZED OR BLOCKING THOSE AREAS.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EMERGENCY EXITS ARE OPEN AND THAT IN WORST CASE, IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, PEOPLE AREN'T SLOWED FROM GETTING OUTTA THE BUS.
AND THEN AGAIN, DIVING INTO THE A DA CONSIDERATIONS A BIT MORE, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMPLIANT WITH FTA REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THOSE SEATS AT THE FRONT OF THE BUS ARE OPEN, WHILE ALSO BALANCING THE NEEDS OF ALL THE USERS ON THE BUS.
THOSE WITH SHOPPING CARTS, THOSE WITH STROLLERS.
IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO HAVE TO MOVE OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ONBOARD THE BUS.
AND OF COURSE AVOIDING, UH, THAT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE HIGHEST MOBILITY NEEDS AND WHEELCHAIRS, ET CETERA.
SO IN TERMS OF THE POLICY, UM, EVERY AGENCY DOES IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
NO TWO POLICIES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND SO THERE ARE VARIED APPROACHES, NO MAGIC BULLET ONE, IT'S UP TO EACH AGENCY TO DETERMINE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM.
AND SO SOME AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRES STROLLERS TO BE FOLDED, WHEREAS OTHERS ALLOW OPEN STROLLERS AND DESIGNATED AREAS.
YOU CAN SEE ONE EXAMPLE IN THE PHOTO, UM, THAT HAS A LITTLE SIGN THERE OF A STROLLER.
YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE IT OUT BETWEEN THE SEATS, JUST A VISUAL CUE KIND OF IMPLYING THIS IS A GREAT SPOT TO PUT YOUR STROLLER AND THEY DESIGNED IT KIND OF ACCORDINGLY TO FIT THEM.
GENERALLY SHOPPING CARTS, UM, ARE PERMITTED IF THEY DON'T BLOCK AISLES, BUT OF COURSE NOT THE OVERSIZED ONES.
SO A FEW CASE STUDIES, AND AGAIN, THERE'S DOZENS, HUNDREDS OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEM, LIKE SEPTA AND PENNSYLVANIA, THEY HAVE DESIGNATED STROLLER AREAS ON THEIR BUSES AND THEY ALLOW CHILDREN TO REMAIN SEATED IN THE STROLLERS PROVIDED THAT THE BRAKES OF THE STROLLER ARE ENGAGED AND THE AISLES REMAIN CLEAR.
TRI DELTA CLOSER TO HOME IN ANTIOCH IN THE BAY AREA, THEY CREATED DESIGNATED STROLLER, UH, AREAS ON THEIR BUSES.
APPARENTLY THEY WERE THE FIRST AGENCY IN THE COUNTRY TO DO SO.
SO WE APPLAUD 'EM FOR THAT, UH, BY REMOVING SEATS TO ACCOMMODATE STROLLERS.
THAT OF COURSE IS KIND OF A CONSIDERATION AND AN OFFSET IS, ARE THE SEATS A HIGHER PRIORITY OR THE STROLLER AREAS BECAUSE IT'S HARD AT SOME POINT TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE.
BUT SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING, I THINK WE'LL DISCUSS A BIT HERE, UH, THEY ALLOW FOR UP TO FOUR UNFOLDED STROLLERS PER BUS PROVIDED THEY DON'T OBSTRUCT ANYTHING.
AND THEN THE LAST EXAMPLE IN VIRGINIA DASH, THEY CHANGE THEIR STROLLER POLICY TO ALLOW STROLLERS TO BE STOWED IN ONE OF TWO WHEELCHAIR SECUREMENT AREAS ON BUSES THAT WHEREAS THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY REQUIRED FOLDING THEM.
IN TERMS OF VEHICLE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ROAD TRANSIT BUSES, PETALUMA TRANSIT BUSES, UH, YOU SEE OUR EXISTING POLICY.
SOME AGENCIES AGAIN, LIKE UM, TRIDELTA, THEY'VE ACTUALLY REMOVED TWO SEATS TO CREATE MORE STROLLER AREAS, MORE SHOPPING CART AREAS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO GENERALLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONS YOU CAN DO WITH DESIGNING THE BUS INTERIOR WITH SEATS.
SO YOU DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CHANGES AND CONSIDERATIONS.
YOU OFTEN WANNA HAVE CLEAR SIGNAGE INDICATING WHICH AREAS ARE FOR WHICH PEOPLE.
THAT'S OFTEN DONE REALLY WELL WITH A D ACCESSIBLE
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SEATING, NOT QUITE AS MUCH OFTEN WITH STROLLERS, WITH SHOPPING CARTS, BUT SOMETHING YOU COULD SEE ON SOME OF THOSE PRIOR EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU COULD DO.OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE SPACE? IS IT ALWAYS FOR THE MOST NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND FOR SEATS OR DO YOU PRIORITIZE STROLLERS OR CARTS? WHICH OF THOSE TWO ARE THE HIGHER PRIORITY IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE DESIGNING YOUR SPACE? IS IT SHARED SPACE, DEDICATED SPACE, ET CETERA? UH, YOU WANT TO TRAIN YOUR DRIVERS EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE POLICIES.
IT'S HARD TO ALWAYS HAVE THESE THINGS COMPLETELY IRONCLAD BLACK AND WHITE WITH THE POLICY.
A LOT OF IT IS UP TO DISCRETION AND EVEN POLICY WISE, THAT'S A DISCUSSION IS HOW MUCH DISCRETION DO YOU WANT FOR DRIVERS MINIMAL.
SO IT'S REALLY RESTRICTIVE AND CLEAR CUT THE POLICY OR DO YOU WANT IT A BIT MORE OPEN-ENDED AND TRUST THE DRIVERS AS KIND OF THE CAPTAIN OF THE BUS TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY DECISIONS YOU MAKE GENERALLY AREN'T HAVING NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE AND IMPEDING THEM.
SO WE HAVE A FEW, UH, ITEMS LAID OUT HERE AND WE CAN DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS OR KIND OF DISCUSSIONS, THOUGHTS PEOPLE HAVE.
BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, STROLLERS AND CARTS, GENERALLY, HOW LENIENT DO WE WANNA BE WITH THOSE? DO WE WANNA SPECIFY WHAT MAX DIMENSIONS ARE OR NOT? DO WE WANNA REALLY TRY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM RIDING IF THEY HAVE A BIGGER CART OR BIGGER STROLLER? OF COURSE, THINGS LIKE STROLLERS HAVE EVOLVED OVER TIME.
WHEN I WAS A KID THEY WERE MUCH NARROWER.
NOW YOU GET THE DOUBLE STROLLERS, THEY'RE LONGER, THEY'RE WIDER.
I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN HOW BIG SOME OF THOSE CAN BE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NOT BEING COLLAPSED.
DO WE WANNA MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES POTENTIALLY GOING FORWARD TO REMOVE SEATING AREAS TO MAKE SPACE FOR STROLLERS OR CARTS AND WHAT'S THE PRIORITY THERE? OR OTHER VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS IF PEOPLE HAVE OTHER IDEAS IN MIND.
DO WE WANNA HAVE PEOPLE KEEP CONTENTS IN A SHOPPING CART, FOR EXAMPLE, IN BAGS VERSUS HAVING THEM REMOVE THOSE BAGS? WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO? DO WE EVEN WANNA HAVE THINGS LIKE A MAX NUMBER OF BAGS? DO YOU ALLOW UP TO X NUMBER OF POUNDS, X NUMBER OF BAGS, UM, ET CETERA? SO IT'S A FAIRLY OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION.
AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO CHANGE, WE CAN UPDATE IN OUR NEXT RIDER POLICY UPDATES, UM, ANTICIPATED TO BE THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SEE ANY POTENTIAL OUTCOMES IF WE DO DECIDE THAT WE WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION OR SUBSEQUENT ONES.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GO FIRST ON THIS ONE AND THEN MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO GO IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS MEETING WRAPPED UP.
JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT STROLLERS AND BUGGIES ON THE BUS SINCE I JOINED.
SO IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GRATEFUL THAT IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
THERE'S STILL A LOT TO BE DONE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO GET A GOOD DISCUSSION GOING RIGHT NOW, UM, TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ITEMS. I THINK IT WILL BE CHALLENGING, UH, FOR THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE THE EXISTING GUIDE IN Q4, BUT I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ON AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE.
UM, SO GIVEN THAT, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE OPEN-ENDED, I AM NOW THINKING THAT WE SHOULD, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK IF PEOPLE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS AND GET RESOLVED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT MAYBE NOT AT THIS, AT THIS MEETING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, UM, FRANK, WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT IT'S A TOPIC THAT'S WORTH, UH, EXPLORING.
I THINK IT DESERVES, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, AND WEIGH IN WITH COMMENTS.
UM, AND, UH, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS.
I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO THAT UNTIL I, UH, UNTIL THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTH GOING, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING THAT PUBLIC PROCESS.
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WOULD SAY THAT I'M VERY IMPARTIAL ABOUT IT.I THINK, UM, ALL CONVERSATIONS HERE ARE WORTH HAVING.
UM, AND IF THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO FIND CLOSURE FOR IT, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS WHO, WHO FEEL WE NEED TO HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
OKAY, PATTY, I DO THINK THIS CAN BE A COMPLICATED DISCUSSION AND MAYBE, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE TIME FOR IT.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK IF THE POLICY GOAL IS TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE RIDE THE BUS, THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT.
AND SO, UH, I'D BE OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, DELAYING, UH, MORE, UH, DETAILED DISCUSSION UNTIL ANOTHER POINT IN TIME.
OH, AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT HAVING READ THE WRITER'S GUIDE, THERE'S NOTHING EITHER IN THE 2022 WRITER'S GUIDE NOR IN THE 2025 THAT ADDRESSES BUGGIES OR SHOPPING CARTS, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE POLICY ON THE TRANSIT SITE, SO JUST IT'S, IT'S NOT JUMPING OUT AT ANYBODY.
SO LESLIE, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING.
UH, BUT OPEN TO POSTPONING IT SO THAT WE CAN
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THAT, CAN WE PUT THIS ON THE, CAN WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION NEXT MONTH OR IS OUR AGENDA TOO PACKED? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AUGUST AGENDA.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE FIRST PRESENTATION UP.
SO WE'RE, UH, PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ARE OUR TWO, UM, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR YEAH, REFERENCES.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANNA, PARDON ME, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, SINCE IT IS A PUBLICLY NOTICE AGENDA ITEM, I JUST WANNA MAKE COMMENT.
JUST MAKE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE ISN'T ANYONE HERE, THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY PUBLIC.
SORRY IF I, THAT'S THE SPEC SLEPT THROUGH THAT.
YEAH, NO, THE, THE, YEAH, I THINK I DID ANYWAY.
YES, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T WANNA COMMENT.
AND WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ONLINE COMMENTS.
I THOUGHT I DID, BUT I GUESS WE HAD A FEW ITEMS, SO I'M, I'M WRONG.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
TO CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING STAFF TO SUBMIT PRIORITY PROJECTS TO THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES, S-C-T-C-A FUNDING PROGRAM CYCLE TO CALL FOR PROJECTS.SO, JARED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT? YEAH, THANK YOU AGAIN.
UM, SO THIS ITEM PERTAINS TO SOME GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SUBMIT IN THE NEAR TERM TO S-C-T-C-A OR THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION CLIMATE AUTHORITY, FORMERLY SCTA, THEY CHANGE THE NAME.
AND SO THIS IS KNOWN AS FUNDING PROGRAM CYCLE TWO.
AND SO BASICALLY WHAT S-C-T-C-A IS DOING WITH THIS CALL FOR PROJECTS IS THEY OPEN IT UP TO ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, JURISDICTIONS COMMUNITIES IN SONOMA COUNTY, AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT PROJECTS, WHICH WILL BE WEIGHED COMPETITIVELY AND AWARDED VARIOUS FUNDS FROM A BUCKET OF SEVERAL TYPES LISTED HERE IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT MEANS FOR PETALUMA IS WE'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT FIVE PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF PETALUMA TRANSIT AND THEN FIVE OTHER PROJECTS CITYWIDE, ESPECIALLY ONES PERTAINING TO BIKE AND PED PROJECTS.
AND SO WE'RE SPEAKING PRIMARILY ABOUT THE FORMER, THE FIVE PROJECTS HERE, TRANSIT RELATED, OF COURSE PAC WENT IN MORE DEPTH AT THEIR LAST MEETING A WEEK OR TWO AGO ABOUT THE NON-TRANS PROJECTS AND THE COUNCIL, THAT'LL COVER BOTH OF THEM SO PEOPLE GET A SECOND CHANCE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT'S LOOKING AT NOW IS, UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES LISTED THERE.
GENERALLY THEY ALL EQUATE TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THE GRANTS THAT MAKE IT UP ARE THINGS LIKE OBA OR ONE BAY AREA GRANTS, THE STEP, THE STATEWIDE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, GO SONOMA, WHICH OF COURSE IS BASED ON THE GO SONOMA QUARTER CENT SALES TAX IN, UH, SONOMA COUNTY.
AND THAT'S THE MOVE TRAFFIC AND IMPROVE SAFETY FUND, ONE OF WHICH WE GOT A GRANT FOR $2 MILLION TO DO THE, THE TRANSIT EXPANSION WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THINGS LIKE GO SONOMA BUILD BIKEWAYS AND PATHWAYS.
AND SO WE RECEIVED THAT FIRST $2 MILLION GRANT THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THEN WE RECEIVED ANOTHER $2 MILLION GRANT FROM CYCLE ONE OF
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THIS FUNDING, WHICH PROVIDED $2 MILLION FOR FACILITY ELECTRIFICATION IMPROVEMENTS.AND SO THIS CALL FOR PROJECTS WOULD BE PROJECTS IMPLEMENTED IN FY 26 THROUGH FY 31.
SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO START IN YEAR ONE.
THEY COULD RUN THAT FULL CYCLE.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE YEAR PROJECTS OR THEY COULD JUST BE IN THE FINAL YEAR OF IT.
THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMUNITIES TO DETERMINE HOW THEY WANNA STRUCTURE AND PROVIDE THESE PROJECTS.
BUT THEY'RE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE FIVE, UH, PROJECTS, AS WE MENTIONED.
AND GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO IS REVIEW THE ALIGNMENTS OF THE PROJECTS WITH LOCAL AND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANS TO, TO EVALUATE THEIR COMPATIBILITY AND COMPETITIVENESS WITH THE VARIOUS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN THREE, ULTIMATELY SUBMIT FUNDING REQUESTS FOR PROJECTS DEEMED TO BE THE BEST FITTING HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THE ONES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON TRANSIT WERE INFORMED BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
THINGS LIKE THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION, THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, AND SEVERAL OTHER PLANS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE OUTLINED HERE IN THE STAFF REPORTS.
THE FIVE PROJECTS ARE, NUMBER ONE, A GOOD SALIENT TOPIC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUS STOP AND MOBILITY HUB IMPROVEMENTS.
SO BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS THAT CARLY WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER, WE ALWAYS COME UP WITH A LIST TO PRIORITIZE STOPS THAT WE WANNA IMPROVE.
GENERALLY YOU HAVE VARIOUS GRANTS LIKE THIS COMING ALONG EVERY SO OFTEN, SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE LIST READY TO GO.
AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IMPROVE, SAY 25 STOPS OR SO, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, INSTALLING CONCRETE PASSENGER PADS, SHELTERS, BENCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE SECOND PROJECT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR BUS PURCHASES, ELECTRIC BUSES SPECIFICALLY TO ACCELERATE OUR REPLACEMENT OF OUR INTERNAL COMBUSTION FLEET AND TRY TO MEET OUR GOAL BEING CLIMATE NEUTRAL WITH A TRANSIT FLEET BY 2030.
SO THAT WOULD BUY ABOUT THREE MORE BUSES.
WE HAVE A FAIRLY, UM, OPEN CATEGORY CALLED TRANSIT INNOVATION PROGRAM, AND THAT COULD BE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS DOING A TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANY OR TNC PILOT PROGRAM TO WHERE THE CITY COULD HELP SUBSIDIZE THE COST, SAVE YOUR RIDING.
UBER, LYFT, WE COULD COVER THE FIRST $5 OF THE TRIP OR WE COULD COVER HALF OF THE COST.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN STRUCTURE IT, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, IMPLEMENTING THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN HELP FILL IN GAPS IN THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO RUN TRANSIT SERVICE LATE AT NIGHT FINANCIALLY, GIVEN HOW MANY RIDERS WE HAVE.
THIS IS A GREAT COMPLIMENTARY PROGRAM WHERE YOU COULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE BASED ON HOURS OR PARTS OF THE CITY LIKE DOWNTOWN.
YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW YOU COULD STRUCTURE IT.
SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THE PROGRAM WE COULD FUND UNDERNEATH THIS BUCKET OR ANY KIND OF NEW INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY OR PROGRAMS THAT COME ALONG.
TRANSIT OPERATIONS, UH, AS WE TOUCHED ON, WE'RE GETTING INTO OUR SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLANS STARTING LATER THIS YEAR.
AND SO WE WANNA HAVE SOME FUNDING THERE WHERE WE CAN IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THAT PLAN, WHETHER THAT'S THINGS LIKE MODIFIED ROUTES, IMPROVED FREQUENCIES ON MAJOR CORRIDORS, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD, LAKEVILLE, OR EVEN MODIFICATIONS TO LUGO.
ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS COULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THERE.
AND THIS LAST ONE IS ONE THAT WOULD BE COLLABORATIVE WITH BOTH US SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT AND SANTA ROSA CITY BUS TO WHERE WE'D BE DOING A WAYFINDING PILOT PROJECT TO INSTALL WAYFINDING THAT WAS DESIGNED BY MTC THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO GET ROLLED OUT FOR TRANSIT AGENCIES ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, UH, REGION.
AND IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN TO SANTA ROSA YET, THAT'S ONE OF TWO PILOT LOCATIONS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO UP TO SEE THE SANTA ROSA TRANSIT MALL AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE SIGNS LOOK LIKE.
THEY DID THE OPENING OF THAT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, AND THEY REALLY LOOK GREAT.
SO NOT JUST IN MAJOR TRANSIT HUBS, BUT REALLY ALL THE STOPS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING STANDARDIZED SIGNAGE ACROSS THOSE AGENCIES.
SO GOING ONE AGENCY TO ANOTHER, IT'S A MUCH MORE SEAMLESS EXPERIENCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE FIVE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
THERE WERE OTHER ONES THAT WERE CONSIDERED.
UM, A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WOULD BE A JOINT MAINTENANCE FACILITY, TRANSIT OPERATIONS STUDY, BUT SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THE PROJECT AND FEEDBACK FROM SCTA ON HOW COMPETITIVE IT WOULD BE.
UM, SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE FIVE THAT LEAPT TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
AND OVERALL WE'RE, UM, PRESENTING THE LIST ON AUGUST 8TH AT COUNCIL.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE, INPUT, FEEDBACK PEOPLE HAVE ON THIS LIST OR OTHER IDEAS.
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FROM THE UM, COMMITTEE? DAVE? I DON'T THINK SO.I THINK PART, THE ONE THING THAT PUZZLED ME IS THERE WERE SOME REFERENCE WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM THAT THERE WAS AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT SHOWED OTHER PROJECTS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED OR I, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY IT, BUT IT STRUCK, STRUCK ME THAT WE PICKED FIVE OFF OF THE LIST.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LONGER AND WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE LONGER LIST.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? THAT'S MY BAD.
I, UH, TOOK THE ORIGINAL COUNCIL ITEM, WHICH HAD BOTH PAC ITEMS AND, UM, TRANSIT ITEMS, AND THEY HAD A CONSIDERATION LIST OF ITEMS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT AND THE REASONS WHY.
THAT'S WHAT THAT LIST IS REFERENCING.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, THE COUNCIL AGENDA GOT POSTED AND YOU CAN REVIEW IT BECAUSE IT IS ATTACHED THERE.
UM, SO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING WILL HAVE IT ATTACHED.
BUT THE, SO THE FIVE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR LIST NOW ARE THE ONLY FIVE ITEMS THAT WERE TRANSIT RELATED, SO CORRECT.
THERE'S REALLY NO DECISION TO HAVE BEEN MADE.
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, THANK YOU PATTY.
AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE AREN'T RANKED, BUT I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH, UM, THE TRANSIT INNOVATION PROGRAM AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE IDEA OF A TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANY.
I MEAN, I THINK ON THE SURFACE, IT, IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE OWE TO RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT LATE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, FROM LIVED EXPERIENCE, I DIDN'T WORK, OR I SHOULD SAY CONTRACT FOR, UM, RIDESHARE, UM, LIKE LYFT AND UBER, BUT I DID DOORDASH AND IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE TO ME THAT EXPERIMENTING WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD GIVE THESE GIANT COMPANIES A FREE PASS IN WHAT THEY PROVIDE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY NICKEL AND DIME THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE CONTRACTED WITH A LOT.
AND I, I, IT'S A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TO, TO USE PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR A COMPANY THAT ALREADY EXPLOITS A LOT OF ITS WORK WORKFORCE.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S FLEXIBILITY.
WE ARE AWARDED THIS PROJECT WITH HOW WE CAN SET IT UP.
I THINK IF WE GET THE GRANT, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A FEW DIFFERENT STRUCTURE IDEAS TO DISCUSS HERE AT THE COMMITTEE.
YOU COULD ALSO INVOLVE LOCAL TAXI SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN REALLY TARGET THE PROGRAM IN TERMS OF WHO BENEFITS FROM IT.
LIKE IN MARIN, THEY HAD A SIMILAR PROGRAM TARGETED AT SENIORS.
YOU COULD ALSO PROBABLY DO A LOW INCOME FOCUSED ONE.
SO I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW YOU SET IT UP, WHAT TYPES OF AGENCIES AND ENTITIES ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE INCLUDED OR NOT.
WHAT TYPE OF RIDERS WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT METHODS YOU COULD DISCUSS WITH HOW WE STRUCTURE IT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING IT TOO RIGID RIGHT NOW TO DEFINE THAT GOING INTO IT.
AND THAT, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING LOCAL TAXI SYSTEMS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN ON TOWARDS.
UM, JUST I, AND THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED WITH THIS BECAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A SERVICE THAT WE WANNA PROVIDE TO PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO IN MANY WAYS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS IN THE, THE BEST INTEREST FOR ITS PEOPLE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT OR HAVE A QUESTION, FRANK? YEAH, SURE.
UM, I, I THINK GENERALLY OVERALL I, I SUPPORT THE LIST.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ECHO, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, UM, ERIC'S, UM, COMMENTS ON TRANSIT INNOVATION PROGRAM.
MY, AS AS I THINK ABOUT THAT, UM, I WOULD, IT, IT WOULD, UM, I THINK THAT KIND OF PROGRAM WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC PROCESS, UH, BEFORE IMPLEMENTING.
AND I'D ALMOST HATE FOR US TO LOO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT COMPETE WITH ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS FOR GRANT MONEY.
UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MISS OUT GRANT MONEY ON ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS TO HAVE IT BE AWARDED TO THAT AND THEN HAVE THERE BE A PUBLIC PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT NOT WORKING OUT.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THO THOSE ARE THE ONLY THOUGHTS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH MY MIND RELATED TO THAT.
I TOO ACTUALLY HAD CONCERN ABOUT THE, UM, FUNDING FOR UBER AND LYFT AND I WAS, WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL I'M GLAD TO SEE THE TAXI SERVICE, BUT IF IT'S INNOVATION, I'M JUST WONDERING IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THAT COULD FUND OUR LUMA GO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORK TO DO ON THAT? CAN WE PUT THAT IN
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THERE? IT COULD, IT COULD EITHER FALL UNDER THAT BUCKET OR SOME OF THE OTHERS.I MEAN, I MYSELF WAS THINKING THAT MORE IN THE, UM, TRANSIT OPERATION ONE, BUT REALLY I THINK YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT UNDER THAT OR THE INNOVATION EITHER WAY.
THESE ARE VAGUE BECAUSE IT'S, IF WE GET THE GRANT, THEN AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT, WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT OUR PRIORITIES WOULD BE.
YEAH, THAT'S GENERALLY THE THOUGHT AND INTENTIONALLY, SO WE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY RATHER THAN SAYING 15 MINUTE SERVICE ON ROUTE THREE FROM 6:30 PM TO 9:30 PM SURE, OF COURSE.
AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE LOCKED INTO WHAT YOU'RE OF COURSE DOING WITH IT.
AND IS THERE, IS IT A REALISTIC THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE REAL TIME SIGNS OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS GETS THROWN INTO BUS STOP AND MOBILITY? THAT WOULD BE NICE, BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK YOU CAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF THOSE SIGNS.
SOME CAN BE EXPENSIVE AND COST TENS OF THOUSANDS.
THEY'RE LIKE A TV STYLE AT RAIL PLATFORMS. MUCH MORE COMPLICATED, MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, SAMPLE ONES, PILOT ONES WE'VE INSTALLED.
ONE IS AT NORTH MCDOWELL, RAINIER GOING SOUTHBOUND, AND THE OTHER IS AT CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, THE ONE ON ELI BOULEVARD NEAR JULIET'S, NEAR THE TENNIS COURTS GOING SOUTHBOUND.
AND THOSE SIT ATOP THE EXISTING BUS STOP POLE.
AND THOSE ARE FAR MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED ELECTRIC WIRING, THEY'RE SOLAR BASED.
YOU BASICALLY JUST PUT IT THE TOP OF THE POLE AND THOSE ARE A LOT MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
SO YEAH, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF GREAT OPTIONS NOW THAT ARE MORE FEASIBLE AND AREN'T LIKE 20, $30,000 PLUS SIGNS TO INSTALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? SO THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I SEE THERE'S NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO DID WE GET ANY ONLINE COMMENTS? ALRIGHT THEN NOW IT'S THE TIME THAT WE MOVE ON TO VOTE WHETHER OR NOT WE AUTHORIZE THE TRANSIT, UH, DEPARTMENT TO PRESENT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK YOU NEED A MOTION, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT REQUIRES OUR APPROVAL.
SO THE NEXT, UM, ITEM IS FOR CAMMI.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, UPDATE ON THE PEDALED TRANSIT ADVERTISING POLICY.
IF I GO TOO FAST, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE ADVERTISING ON THE BACKS OF OUR BUSES AND ALSO WITH AN INTERIORS OF OUR BUSES.
AND THEN ALSO AT BUS STOPS, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM, IF YOU'VE RIDDEN TRANSIT, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS USING THEM AS WELL.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO ACTIVE POLICY IN PLACE TO KIND OF GUIDE AND REGULATE, UH, WHAT IS ALLOWABLE, WHAT IS NOT ALLOWABLE.
UH, GENERALLY THE PROCESS HAS BEEN SOMEONE WANTS TO ADVERTISE, THEY REACH OUT, THEY SHARE THE ADVERTISING, AND THEN IT GETS APPROVED.
BUT THERE'S NO STANDARD GUIDANCE OF WHAT MIGHT BE A PERMISSIBLE ITEM VERSUS WHAT MIGHT BE A PROHIBITED ITEM.
UM, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT SET AS IF, YOU KNOW, THE ITEM IS REJECTED.
UH, DO THEY HAVE AN RIGHT TO APPEAL AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A, A NEW TRANSIT ADVERTISING POLICY.
THE WAY I GOT TO WRITING THE POLICY WAS RESEARCHING ALL OF THE POLICIES IN THE BAY AREA, UM, WITH THE HOPES OF BEING CONSISTENT SO THAT WAY WRITERS ACROSS THE BAY AREA HAVE SOME SORT OF CONSISTENT VISION.
UM, AND BASED UPON THAT, WE DETERMINE WHAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ALLOWABLE AND THEN WHAT IS LEGALLY REQUIRED.
UM, AND THEN WHAT, UH, WOULD BE NOT ALLOWABLE OR PROHIBITED.
UM, SO SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I CAN HIGHLIGHT IS I HAVE NOT MADE ALCOHOL A PROHIBITED ITEM.
UH, WE LIVE IN THE WINE REGION AND THE IDEA WAS, IS TO PROMOTE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
UM, HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A AGENCY, UM, HOPING TO ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT OR THEIR VINEYARD OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN DISCLOSURES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GO ON ALL ALCOHOL ADVERTISING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND THEN CALIFORNIA.
UM, OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CHOSE TO ADD AS PROHIBITED WERE ITEMS, ITEMS SUCH AS TOBACCO, FIREARMS,
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ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, AND ADULT SERVICES.THIS WAS STANDARD ACROSS BAY AREA AGENCIES.
WE CHOSE TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT.
UM, OTHER ITEMS WERE RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS.
UM, FOR THE PURPOSE THAT PED LIMIT TRANSIT WOULD NOT BE A PUBLIC FORUM, UH, THE GOAL IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO RIDE TRANSIT, UM, TO GET TO PLACE A AND B SAFELY, UM, AND DO SO IN A SAFE AND COMFORTABLE MANNER.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP, UM, OUR RIDERS AS COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE, AND IT OBVIOUSLY AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROVIDE THAT AS A PUBLIC DISCOURSE FORUM.
THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY TO DO THAT.
ALL ITEMS WOULD BE SUBJECT FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
UM, SO THEY WOULD GO TO MYSELF, UM, AND THEN I WOULD APPROVE OR SEND FEEDBACK OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS REALLY CLOSE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE THESE EDITS, THEN WE COULD APPROVE IT.
UM, AND THEN IF IT GETS DENIED, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
IT WOULD THEN GO TO JARED AS THE TRANSIT MANAGER.
UM, A QUICK NOTE ABOUT THE AL UH, RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL, UM, PORTION.
UM, UH, THE RELIGIOUS PORTION WOULD SPECIFICALLY, UM, PROHIBIT ADVERTISEMENT THAT USE LANGUAGE OR IMAGERY AND TEND TO ADVANCE RELIGIOUS CONVERSION, JUST SO THAT WAY WE FEEL THAT ALL, ALL FACE IDENTITIES ARE ACCEPTED.
UM, HOWEVER, ADS THAT MERELY REFERENCE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION'S NAME OR SPONSORSHIP OF A PUBLIC SERVICE ADVANCE, SUCH AS A FOOD DRIVE OF VACCINATION, LIKE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT STUFF THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.
SO THERE, THERE IS A, A KIND OF A LINE BETWEEN WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED AND WHAT'S NOT PERMITTED, UM, AS WE DO WANNA PROMOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY EVENTS ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.
UM, AND THEN SAME FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF POLITICAL, UM, ADVERTISING.
UM, THE PROHIBITION DOESN'T INCLUDE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, NONPARTISAN CIVIC EVENTS.
THINGS THAT CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF AS, YOU KNOW, THEIR RIGHTS, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
UM, BUT WOULD NOT ADVOCATE FOR A SPECIFIC VIEWPOINT, WOULD JUST BE MORE OF LIKE A NOTICE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, WE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD AT LEAST 10%, 10% OF OUR SPACE, UM, FOR NONPROFITS OR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, UM, FOR IN KIND.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, ADVERTISE ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME AGENCIES, SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THEM ON THE BUS BACKS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A FEW RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE DO THAT AS AN IN KIND, UM, SUPPORT.
WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT HOWEVER, THEY WOULD BEHOLDEN TO THE SAME ADVERTISING POLICY.
SO THAT WAY WE KEEP OUR COM LIKE ADVERTISING POLICY STANDARDS AS A NORM.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW I TALKED REALLY FAST.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, ERIC, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS, UM, REALLY OUTLINING THE DOS AND DON'TS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
DO WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR HOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE DOS AND AND SO THEY'RE ACCEPTED, WHO, HOW LONG ARE THEY IN? HOW, LIKE HOW LONG ARE THEY ADVERTISED FOR? OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MONETARY COST, ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS? YEAH, WE'RE CURRENTLY REVAMPING OUR, UM, PAID ADVERTISING PROGRAM, UM, FOR OUR IN KIND SUPPORT THAT'S NEGOTIATED AT THE TIME.
AND IT'S WRITTEN IN, UM, AN ESSENTIAL LIKE IN KIND DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WE WOULD ADVERTISE FOR THIS SO LONG, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CAMPAIGN, DEPENDS ON SPACES RESERVED AND AVAILABILITY.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR THE PAID ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN, UM, THE COST BENEFIT OF DOING IT IN-HOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE ME, AND THEN I WOULD SCHEDULE IT AND THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT MONTH TO MONTH AND WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, OR HAVING AN AGENCY THAT SPECIALIZES IN ADVERTISEMENT, WHICH MOST OF THE AGENCIES IN THE BAY AREA THEY USE THAT.
UM, SO THEY CONTRACT OUT THEIR SERVICES AND THEN THEY RECEIVE THE REVENUE AND SO THEY HANDLE THE ENTIRE, LIKE NEGOTIATION PROCESSES.
THEY SET THE PRICING BASED UPON LIKE REGIONAL, UM, STANDARDS, AMOUNTS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT WAY, UM, IT'S CONSISTENT AND SOME AGENCIES WILL PARTNER TOGETHER.
SOME AGENCIES WILL DO IT INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, LAMAR ADVERTISING IS LIKE THE MAIN ADVERTISING, UM, AGENCY IN THE BAY AREA.
THEY, THEY'VE CORNERED THE MARKET ESSENTIALLY THERE.
THERE'S A FEW OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL, BUT UM, LAMAR IS DEFINITELY ONE.
UM, THAT'S POPPED UP A LOT WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WILL SET PACKAGES OF LIKE, IF IF YOU DO FOUR MONTHS, YOU WOULD GET A DISCOUNTED RATE VERSUS ONE MONTH, BECAUSE THAT ALSO,
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IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT MEANS LESS INSTALLATION TIME, LESS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PRINTING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.BUT WHEREAS MONTH TO MONTH MIGHT HAVE MORE TURNOVER, THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.
SOMETIMES SOMEONE MIGHT BE JUST BE LIKE, I HAVE THIS EVENT I WANNA ADVERTISE FOR THIS ONE MONTH, THAT'S ALL I NEED.
UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.
UM, BUT IT GENERALLY, I WOULD AT LEAST BE ONE PHYSICAL MONTH VERSUS LIKE A DAY.
I GUESS SO, SO TO EXPEDITE, JUST BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS ONE
UM, BUT I GUESS THE, FOR A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION DAY, UM, IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT STRUCTURE AND THAT POLICY ON HOW WE LOOK AT THE ADVERTISEMENTS AND WHO, LIKE WHAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE IN TERMS OF OUR BUSINESSES OR NONPROFITS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG THEY CAN BE THERE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY THEIR TR WHAT THEIR GOAL IS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO FOLKS? YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN JUMP ON IN ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY YES, THIS IS ONE PIECE OF THE PROCESS, THIS IS THE POLICY, AND THEN BASED ON ONCE THIS IS FINALIZED, WE GO FORWARD AND WE DO THE PROCESS TO DETERMINE, AS CAN BE SAID, IF WE DO THIS IN-HOUSE OUT OF HOUSE.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT PROCESS, I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT ABILITY TO WRITE AN RFP OR A CONTRACT TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS.
SO WE WOULD WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK NOW OR KIND OF THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS.
WE COULD BRING THAT ITEM BACK.
UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AWARDING THAT FOR, UH, INPUTS, UM, I WOULD SAY ANY OF THOSE AREAS WE'RE OPEN TO KIND OF CONSIDERING.
THE ONLY THING IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S LIKE EQUITABLE AND NOT LIKE A PLAYING FAVORITE KIND OF THING.
SO ONCE YOU OPEN IT UP TO LIKE ONE TYPE OF BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE OTHERS THAT WOULD'VE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY WITHOUT PLAYING TOO MUCH.
AND, AND THAT WAS MY LEADING BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT HERE, I WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH ON HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPETING INDUSTRIES THAT WANT TO ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, SOME WILL HAVE MORE MM-HMM
AND SO LOOKING INTO THAT PROCESS IS, IS ESSENTIAL.
AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED ALREADY.
AND IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR INPUTS, UH, BEYOND THAT PROCESS, LET US KNOW.
WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THOSE THINGS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE AND IT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE RESULT OF ME HAVING BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR A LONG, A LOT OF YEARS.
UH, THERE'S REFERENCE HERE TO, THERE WAS NO PAST POLICY ON ADVERTISING.
THERE WAS, UH, I WAS UP, I WAS ON THIS BODY WHEN WE ADOPTED ABOUT A DECADE AGO.
IT ONLY DEALT WITH NONPROFIT ADVERTISING BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOOPHOLE IN STATE LAW THAT ALLOWED NONPROFITS TO ENGAGE IN HATE SPEECH AND NOT REALLY BE RESTRICTED VERY EFFECTIVELY.
UH, AS I RECALL, IT WAS, UH, ISLAMOPHOBIC MESSAGES THAT GOT IN THE BACK OF MUNI BUSES.
SO A LOT OF THE, UH, TRANSIT AGENCIES WENT THROUGH AND ADOPTED RULES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CA CAN'T FIND IT IN YOUR RECORDS, BUT I KNOW THAT HAPPENS.
IF IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE A BA PASS POLICY THAT YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY REPLACING, LET ME KNOW.
I CAN DIG THROUGH MY PASS AGENDAS AND SEE IF I CAN TRACK IT DOWN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU DO HAVE IT, SEND IT OUR WAY.
I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CURRENT USED ONE FULLY COMPREHENSIVE ON THE BOOKS TO BE MORE DETAILED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M GOOD.
DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO APPROVE THIS, UM, FOR PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL? SO MOVED A SECOND.
CAN WE TAKE A, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
WELL WE'VE GONE PAST MY, UM, HOPE OF SEVEN 15.
WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO MONTHS WORTH OF MINUTES TO APPROVE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, EITHER THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 15TH OR MAY 20TH? IF I COULD JUST THROW OUT A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS ON APRIL 15.
THERE'S, THERE'S A MISSING CUE IN THERE.
AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A COMMENTER WHO APPARENTLY DIDN'T LEAVE A COMMENTING CARD.
AND ON THE, UH, MAY 20, I JUST FIND THE FORMAT THAT WE WENT TO WITH, FOR THE MAY 20 MINUTES TO BE
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OVERLY CRYPTIC.UH, I I THOUGHT THAT WAS UNHELPFUL.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE'RE GONNA GO IN THE FUTURE, BUT NO, THAT WAS NOT ONE THAT I DID, SO, OKAY.
I, SORRY, I I WOULD'VE ASSUMED THAT.
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A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APRIL 15TH MINUTES? UH, WE, WE DO DON'T USUALLY HAVE TO DO A FORMAL VOTE ON THESE BASICALLY, UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTIONS.WE'LL, OKAY, THEN THEY ARE, DID SOMEONE MADE NOTE OF DAVE'S CORRECTIONS? YEAH, WE NOTED THOSE.
WE'LL MAKE AN UPDATE AND FINALIZE THEM WITH THOSE INCORPORATED.
ALRIGHT, THEN THEY ARE APPROVED.
[STAFF COMMENT]
YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DEFERRING THE TRANSIT MANAGER REPORT TILL NEXT MONTH? UH, VERY MUCH SO.WELL, I WOULD SAY I CAN PROBABLY GO THROUGH IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS.
HOW'S THAT HIT A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS.
WE'VE RECEIVED TWO OF THE FOUR, SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS.
THEY'RE NOT ON THE ROAD YET, BUT WE THINK AROUND END OF AUGUST YOU'LL BE SEEING THOSE.
BUT ELECTRIFICATION IS COMING ALONG WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE AWARDING THE CONTRACT IN, UM, EARLY AUGUST.
SO SAY TUNED AT THAT FOR COUNCIL.
AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT WE INCREASED ROUTE TWO AND 11 FREQUENCY AGAIN ON JUNE 28TH.
SO DURING PEAK HOURS PEOPLE CAN NOW RIDE THOSE BUSES EVERY 15 MINUTES.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING OF COURSE IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 19TH FROM FIVE TO SEVEN.
AND ONE THING WORTH NOTING FOR, UH, NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC IS A REMINDER, THERE'S ALWAYS A PAGE IN THE PACKET THAT LISTS UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. AND OF COURSE WE ADD A COUPLE ITEMS OR SO TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD AND MODIFY, BUT THIS IS ALWAYS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BEYOND WHAT WAS COVERED AND THEY WANT TO ADD IT JUST AS A REMINDER FOR PEOPLE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ESPECIALLY AS REGARDS THE UPCOMING, UM, AGENDA ITEMS, ELECTRIC PARATRANSIT BUS PROCUREMENT, AND THE PETALUMA TRANSIT BUDGET OVERVIEW AND BUGGIES AND
IT WAS A VERY LONG BUT INTERESTING AND, AND FULL OF GOOD COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND INFO.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I SHOULD POINT OUT REALLY QUICK, SORRY, UH, WE DID HAVE COMMITTEE COMMENTS THAT POTENTIALLY ADDS MORE TIME, BUT I THOUGHT WE SHOULD AT LEAST RIGHT, PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY
ANYTHING MORE? UH, NO COMMENTS FROM ME.
OOH, AT 7 23 THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.