* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:01] WELL, WE WILL GET OURSELVES GOING HERE ON, UH, JULY 22ND FOR THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, KICKING OFF AT 6 0 5. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PATIENCE. LET'S TAKE ROLL PLEASE. CLERK. COMMISSIONER [ROLL CALL] EBNER PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN PRESENT. COMMISSIONER NEWELL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KUSON HERE. AND I WANNA FLAG ANOTHER. I'M BEING TOLD THAT THE CITY WEBSITE DOESN'T HAVE A VIDEO FEED RIGHT NOW, SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT OUR IT SUPPORT HERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HILT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE PRESENT. CHAIR MOSES PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] WILL HEAD INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TIME WILL BE ALLOTTED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. UM, WE'VE OPENED GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I DO ASK IF SPEAKERS, UM, WOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY. I DO HAVE ONE, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE HAS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, LOOKS LIKE JUST THE ONE. AND CLERK, DID WE RECEIVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED ONE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT, OUR ONE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FROM PHIL PETERSON, PLEASE EXCUSE ME. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE DOING ALL WE CAN TO CREATE AND PRESERVE ACCESSIBLE LOCAL COMMUNITY SPACES LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. I'M CONFIDENT YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF THE MULTITUDE OF BENEFITS THEY PROVIDE. UNFORTUNATELY, IT APPEARS THAT CHERRY VALLEY PARK, A SMALL BUT WELL-USED GREEN SPACE IS AN IMMINENT DANGER DUE TO EXPANSION PLANS OF CHERRY VALLEY SCHOOL. THUS FAR, THERE HAS BEEN A DISTINCT LACK OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDING IN THE AREA, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO MAKE USE OF THE PARK. AND LIKELY MANY OR MOST ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THIS PLAN. I FEAR THIS MAY BE INTENTIONAL TO AVOID NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND TO STEAMROLL THE PROJECT FORWARD. I IMPLORE THIS COMMISSION TO DIRECT WITH ANY POWERS IT HAS THAT ADEQUATE AND APPROPRIATE DUE DILIGENCE, COMMUNICATION, AND PROACTIVE OUTREACH BE PERFORMED PRIOR TO ANY APPROVAL OF PLANS. THIS WOULD INCLUDE ANY PERMITTING OR ALLOWANCE FOR SITE PREPARATION, ESPECIALLY THE REMOVAL OF LARGE SHADE TREES THAT ONCE GONE, THERE WILL BE NO GOING BACK. THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF CONCERN, EVEN BEYOND THE POTENTIAL FOR A TRAGIC LOSS OF COMMUNITY SPACE THAT SHOULD ALSO BE DILIGENTLY CONSIDERED, INCLUDING THE FURTHER IMPACT WHEN ALREADY DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES DANGEROUS TRAFFIC AND PARKING SITUATION. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE LOSS OF TREES, INCLUDING DRAINAGE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR SONIC IMPACT WITH THE RUMORED INCLUSION OF AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER GIVEN ITS LOCATION. WHILE THE SCHOOL MAY HAVE LEGITIMATE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND SUPPORT THAT IN NEW FACILITIES, THE DESTRUCTION OF WELL USED COMMUNITY GREEN SPACE SHOULD BE AN EXTREME LAST RESORT. THIS IS THE ONLY PARK IN THE AREA. I WOULD HOPE THAT IN PERFORMING DUE DILIGENCE FOR APPROVAL, ALL OTHER CONSTRUCTION ALTERNATIVES BE GIVEN PREFERENCE. THANK YOU FOR CONTENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, BRIAN. O DO YOU WANNA RESPOND AT ALL? SURE. , DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THANK BRIAN. O THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, BRIAN O CITY, UM, A PETALUMA DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE ARE, UH, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, UM, AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORKING OUT THE PROJECT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, OWNERSHIP. UM, HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM SET UP NEXT WEEK. BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING AND SUPPORTING, UH, THE SCHOOL, UM, IN COMMUNICATING ANY FUTURE PLANS ABOUT THE SITE, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO DEFINITELY MORE TO COME. ANY SPOT IN PARTICULAR THAT INTERESTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUGHT TO TUNE IN OR KEEP, KEEP AN EYE OUT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY MEETINGS SET UP, UH, BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS EITHER TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOL, CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO ME AND I'M HAPPY TO FACILITATE, UM, AND WE CAN, UH, PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AS [00:05:01] WE LEARN MORE FROM THE SCHOOL AND FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON WHAT PLANS THEY HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. NO PROBLEM. MR. PETERSON. I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE SO YOU CAN CHAT WITH IT. DOES, DOES. DIRECTOR, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO JUST ADD TO THE POINT THAT THERE HAS BEEN IS THE IMPORTANCE OF OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SURE. THAT REALLY JUST HASN'T HAPPENED, UH, TO THIS POINT. MOST PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE NO IDEA. IT'S BECOME A RUMOR MILL. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT'S JUST AN UNFORTUNATE POSITION. LOOK FORWARD TO I, I'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. THANK GREAT LITTLE OFF SCRIPT, BUT I APPRECIATE , THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT . UH, AND WE'LL, YEAH, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE STREAMING. SO WE'VE CALLED IT, THEY'RE NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. UH, OUR HEAD OF IT LIVES PRETTY CLOSE. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, CAN GET HIM TO FIX THE STREAMING. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE BROWN ACT THAT IT WE HAVE STREAMING OR THAT THERE IS VIDEO ONLINE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, UM, WE CAN PROCEED OR TAKE A RECESS UNTIL IT'S FIXED. JERRY, YOUR CALL? YEAH, I DO WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT WE ARE RECORDING THE VIDEO AND IT WILL BE POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UH, AFTER THE MEETING IS OVER. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE LIVE STREAMING, NOT CURRENTLY OPERATIONAL, BUT IN THE WORKS TO GET FIXED AND STILL RE RECAP, STILL CAPTURING THE RECORDING FOR PLAYBACK DOWN THE LINE AND AND CHAIR, WE COULD ALSO REORDER THE AGENDA TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION FIRST. UM, AND, AND GIVE IT MORE TIME TO WORK ON THE STREAMING ISSUE. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S, OUR PRIORITY WOULD BE TO STREAM THE, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, SO I THINK WE CAN KEEP GOING AND MOVE STUFF AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO KEEP THE, KEEP THE INTERESTING STUFF , UM, TILL WHEN WE'VE GOT SOME STREAMING GOING. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL HEAD TO PRESENTATIONS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THAT MEETING ITEM AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA TO OUR [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF MINUTES. WE DO HAVE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES HERE FOR THE MARCH 11TH, 2025 MEETING. DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR THOSE MINUTES? FROM MARCH 11TH, 2025. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAN CALL THOSE MINUTES APPROVED AS PUBLISHED AND WITH NO AMENDMENTS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS. SO [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. UH, MEETING ITEM TWO WILL BE MOVED TO, UH, AUGUST 26TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT ON PAST MEETING ITEM TWO. AND IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING OUR STREAMING BACK UP AND RUNNING, WE WILL PAUSE ON MEETING ITEM THREE AND JUMP AHEAD TO OUR FOURTH AGENDA ITEM FOR THE EVENING, WHICH WAS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION. UM, THAT IS OUR NOMINATION AND REAPPOINTMENT OR APPOINTMENT OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO COMMISSION LIAISON ROLES ON THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADV ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE A DISCRETIONARY LAND USE ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEREFORE, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER QUA IS NOT REQUIRED. UM, THIS ITEM IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE DISCLOSING ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. UM, SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE JUMPED AHEAD TO MEETING ITEM FOUR, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. UM, ANDREW TRIPLE OUR PLANNING, MA MANAGER TO PRESENT. GREAT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION TYPICALLY IS CONDUCTED, UM, WHEN THE, UH, NEW APPOINTEES ARE, ARE SWORN IN. UM, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT AGENDIZED AT OUR LAST MEETING, SO WE ARE DOING IT THIS TIME AROUND. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TWO POSITIONS, UH, AS REPRESENTATIVES TO SERVE ON, ON, UH, THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ALSO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I THINK THAT THESE, THESE, UH, REPRESENTATIONAL POSITIONS REALLY REFLECT THE INTEGRATED WORK OF, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT'S INFORMED BY, UH, THE WORK, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT OTHER COMMITTEES MAKE, AND HOW, HOW WE ALSO, UH, AS PLANNING COMMISSION RELY UPON ON THOSE OTHER VERY FOCUSED COMMITTEES TO, UM, TO DO PROJECT REVIEW AND TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT, UM, QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THAT, THEN, UM, WE CAN CONSIDER THE NOMINATIONS FOR PAC AND, AND THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU, IN THIS PROCESS, YOU CAN SELF NOMINATE AND YOU CAN ALSO SERVE ON ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEES AND PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE SAME TIME. SO THERE IS NO CONFLICT. UM, PREVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER KUSON HAS SERVED ON TREE [00:10:01] ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I BELIEVE PBAC AS WELL, CORRECT? RIGHT. OR YOU, YOU'RE AN APPOINTEE ON TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WAS GONNA SAY I'M AN APPOINTEE, SO I COULD NOT BE A LIAISON AS WELL AS WE NEED ANOTHER PLANNING. BUT THEN YOU'RE THE LIAISON TO P BACK THEN. CORRECT. GREAT. AND SO, UH, SO THE, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU CAN NOMINATE OTHERS IF YOU WISH. UH, THESE OTHER COMMITTEES DO MEET, UM, THEIR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE IS ONE MEETING A MONTH. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT QUITE AS, UM, ONEROUS AS THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE. AND, UM, BUT THE MEETINGS CAN RUN, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY I WOULD SAY ANYWHERE FROM AN HOUR AND A HALF TO THREE HOURS. SO, UM, WITH THAT IN MIND CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD ON ASKING FOR NOMINATIONS? YES. WE, WELL, HERE, THIS DOES HAVE US DOING PUBLIC COMMENT, ARE WE NOT? YES. WELL, I SAY IT'S YOUR DISCRETION, BUT PROBABLY SAFER TO DO JUST FOR JUST OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, I GUESS. OKAY. FIRSTLY, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC CO. UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, SEEING NO ONE RUSH UP WITH A CARD, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK THE CLERK IF WE GOT ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS MEETING. ITEM AHEAD OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. THEN NOT SEEING ANY, UH, SPEAKERS HERE IN THE ROOM. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, AND I THINK FIRSTLY, WE CAN LOOK FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ANYONE WISHING TO BE THE LIAISON TO PAYBACK? IT'S A FUN ONE. I'D LIKE TO SELF NOMINATE. GREAT. ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT. I'M SEEING HERE TO, CAN I GET A, A, IS THIS RIGHT MOTION TO VOTE ON? SURE. WE'VE GOT ONE NOMINATION. . COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN IS GENEROUSLY THROWN HIS HAT IN THE RING. DO I SEE A, A MOTION TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AS OUR LIAISON TO PA AND I GET THAT MOTION. SO ALL SO MOVED AND I GET A SECOND. SECOND. GREAT. GREAT. CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN, ENJOY YOUR TIME AT PBAC. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR READOUTS AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER RAKUTEN'S. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR A REALLY QUICK, WE STILL NEED A TREE COMMITTEE LIAISON. I'M GOING TO THAT. OH, OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S NEXT. AND WITH THAT, I WILL REQUEST NOMINATIONS FOR THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ANYONE LOOKING TO BE OUR LIAISON TO TREE COMMITTEE? ARE YOU STILL ON TREE? ARE YOU STILL ON TREE COMMITTEE? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FOLKS INTERESTED IN BEING THE LIAISON TO TREE COMMITTEE, CAN WE HAVE OUR DUAL SERVICE COMMISSIONER KUSON, WHO ALSO SITS ON THE COMMITTEE? I WOULD DOUBT IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD LEAD THE TREE COMMITTEE. ONE MEMBER SHORT. I WOULD PUT US UNDER SEVEN. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. TREE COMMITTEE IS FUN. I WILL TELL EVERYONE I'M ALSO CHAIR OF THE TREE COMMITTEE. IT'S GREAT. UM, SO THERE'S MY ENDORSEMENT IF ANYONE WANTS TO JUMP IN, KEEP SELLING IT. COMMISSIONER . YEAH, WE TALK ABOUT TREES. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT HAPPENING WITH POLICY AROUND TREES IN THE NEXT YEAR. OUR URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN IS BEING MADE. YOU CAN GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND SETTING TREE POLICY IN PETALUMA THAT'S BEEN DUE FOR AN UPDATE FOR LIKE DECADES. SO WHEN ARE THE MEETINGS? UH, THE MEETINGS ARE MONTHLY ON WEDNESDAYS ONCE A MONTH. THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE DAY, USUALLY AT THREE 30. SO THAT CAN BE TOUGH TO GET SOME MEMBERS. UM, DYLAN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T HAVE MEMBERS WHOSE SCHEDULES DON'T ALIGN? THEY CAN'T MAKE IT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO NOMINATE, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THOSE REGULAR MEETING TIMES, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY OF THAT TREE COMMISSION. UM, THE TREE COMMITTEE COULD OPERATE WITH SIX MEMBERS. THAT'S TRUE TOO. THAT'S QUORUM. YEAH. AS LONG AS IT'S A MAJORITY OF IT'S A SEVEN MEMBER BODY. YEAH. SO THEN AS LONG AS YOU GUYS HAVE FOUR, THEN YOU SHOULD BE OKAY. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LOW OF DICEY OR PEOPLE HAVE OR SICK OR GONNA MISS FOR WORK OR WHATEVER. BUT I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. SURE. UM, SO I, I GUESS A, IS SOMEONE ALLOWED TO BE THE LIAISON FOR TWO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT'S ALLOWED? YEP. IT'S BY STATUTE. UH, [00:15:02] AND WHAT HAPPENS? I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER THE RULES. IT, IS IT THE SAME SORT OF SET OF RULES WHERE IF YOU MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS, I, DARREN I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENABLING LEGISLATION SAYS. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT ENFORCED ON ENTRY COMMITTEE. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT PROFESSIONALLY CAN'T MAKE EVERY MEETING. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BE AN ISSUE. SO I THINK THAT'S THE CITY'S AND THIS CLERK'S DISCRETION. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, COME ON, BRIAN. IS ANYONE ELSE UP ON THE DAIS ABLE TO MAKE ANY OF THESE MEETINGS? JUST ARE SUBS ALLOWED? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. I THINK WE'RE UNCHARTERED TERRITORY HERE. CAN WE WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. WHAT WE COULD DO IS JUST, UH, IS JUST TABLE THIS AND COME BACK TO IT AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. SURE. AGREED. OKAY. SO WE'LL TABLE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE LIAISON FOR NOW UNTIL WE GET, CAN GET SOME ANSWERS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S FEASIBLE FOR COMMISSIONERS. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE MEETING ITEM FOUR, AND WE'LL TAKE A BEAT HERE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE ON OUR IT SITUATION. UH, WE STILL ARE NOT STREAMING AND I'VE NOT, UH, SEEN IT ARRIVE YET. SO, UH, WE DO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED. I'LL GO, JACK SUSIE DID INFORM US THAT, UH, THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY. UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE HERE. OKAY. IN THAT CASE, I THINK WE CAN POTENTIALLY MOVE ON TO OUR AT LEAST PRESENTATION OF MEETING ITEM THREE. UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE STREAMING BY THE TIME WE GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT AND DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, UH, WISE. AND, AND WE WOULD, THE PRESENTATION WILL OF COURSE HAVE SLIDES AND SO WE'LL HAVE DOCUMENTATION TO BACK UP RIGHT. THE, UH, THE AUDIO FROM THE, UM, FROM THE, THE RECORDED PRESENTATION. SO, GREAT. GREAT. I DON'T WANNA VAMP TOO MUCH LONGER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE FOLKS IN THE ROOM, UM, WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE GIVEN US THEIR EVENING. SO LET'S GO ON INTO OUR, UH, PREVIOUSLY NUMBERED MEETING. ITEM THREE, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, AND A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT FOR THE SID COMMONS PROJECT. A 180 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 18 BERNICE COURT AND ZERO GRAY LAWN AVENUE. I'LL SPARE YOU READING THE LOT NUMBERS. UM, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, ALSO KNOWN AS AS CQA WAS CERTIFIED BY THE, EXCUSE ME, WAS CERTIFIED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2020. WHAT A TIME. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION INCLUDES A FINDING THAT THE PROJECT ANALYZED IN THIS MEETING ITEM STAFF REPORT IS IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE PROJECT ANALYZED IN THE CERTIFIED EIR. AND THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM PROGRAM OR MMRP ADOPTED FOLLOWING THE CERTIFICATION OF THE EIR. GIVEN THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES REQUIRE DISCLOSING ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO I WILL TAKE A LOOK DOWN THE DAY TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE. SEEING NONE I'LL IN THAT CASE, TURN IT ON OVER TO STAFF. TO PRESENT, WE'VE GOT EMMANUEL SSU, OUR PRINCIPAL PLANNER TO PRESENT THE ITEM. PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIR MOSES, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME'S EMMANUEL URSO. I'M THE, UH, PROJECT PLANNER FOR, UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. AND THANK YOU ALSO TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WHO ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE, UH, TO, UH, UH, AND HAVE INTEREST IN THIS ITEM. UH, SO AS, UH, THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UH, TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT AND A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. UM, I WILL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, UH, DISCUSS THE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS LONG AND SORTED. UM, DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AND THEN GO THROUGH THE, UH, APPLICABLE LAND USE POLICIES, LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, I SHOULD SAY, THAT APPLY, WHICH WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UH, SO THE PROJECT IS, UH, LOCATED, UH, AT THE NORTH END OF GREY LAWN AVENUE. UH, IT'S BOUND BY THE SMART RAILROAD ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, UM, THE PETALUMA RIVER ON THE, UH, NORTH AND NORTHEAST SIDE. THE EXISTING OAK CREEK APARTMENTS TO THE EAST AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, UH, [00:20:01] EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, WHOOPS. UH, THE PROJECT, UH, ENTAILS 180 APARTMENTS. UM, THIS IS, UH, ALMOST, UH, HALF THE ALLOWED DENSITY, UH, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOWED ON THE SITE UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THE ZONING IS 18 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS JUST UNDER 10 UNITS PER ACRE. UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING 11 APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, PLUS A CLUBHOUSE. THERE'S ALSO A SMALL MAINTENANCE BUILDING. UH, 18 OF THE UNITS WOULD BE BELOW MARKET RATE, UH, WITH HALF OF 'EM, UH, AFFORDABLE AT THE VERY LOW INCOME LEVEL, AND, UH, HALF AT THE LOW INCOME LEVEL. UH, THE PROJECT INCLUDES A LARGE CENTRAL, UH, GREEN AREA THAT, UH, HAS A, A POOL SPA. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ADJACENT TO, UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT IS A DOG PARK. UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING PLAYGROUND THAT THE PROJECT WILL RECONSTRUCT, AND THEN, UH, THERE'LL BE NEW, UH, TRAILS ALONG THE RIVER WITH ACCESS TO THAT, UH, RIVER TRAIL. ALSO LARGELY, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT, UM, AND TO, UH, IMPLEMENT POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, THE RIVER BANK WILL BE TERRORISTS, UH, TO ADDRESS, UH, FLOODING ISSUES. AND THEN THERE WILL BE RESTORATION OF WETLANDS AND EXPANSION OF WETLANDS ON THE PROJECT SITE. UM, THE DEVELOPABLE AREA IS 18 POINT, UH, SEVEN ACRES, OR THE PROJECT SITE IS 18.7 ACRES. UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DENSITY ALLOWED ON THE SITE IS UP TO 18 UNITS TO THE ACRE. IT'S IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, DESIGNATION, UH, AS SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT, UH, PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UH, EAST ACROSS THE RIVERS IN THE SAME LAND USE DESIGNATION AS IS PROPERTY TO THE, UH, WEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, SMART RAILROAD TRACKS. UH, THE ZONING IS R FOUR, WHICH IS, UH, THE ZONING THAT IMPLEMENTS THE, UH, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION, UH, HAS THE SAME DENSITY RANGE AS THE GENERAL PLAN 8.1 TO 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UH, SETBACKS ALLOWED, UH, OR MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACKS ARE SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE. UH, THE PROJECT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL WITHIN THE, UH, QUANTITATIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT APPLY IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, AND SO ON. SO NOW ONTO THE, UH, PROJECT BACKGROUND AND, AND SOME HISTORY, AS I SAID, THIS IS, THIS PROJECT HAS A LONG HISTORY. UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, WAS SUBMITTED BACK, UH, MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO. UH, AND AT THAT TIME THERE WERE, UH, OVER 300 UNITS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. UM, THE FIRST MAJOR REVISION OCCURRED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS LATER IN 2008, UH, WHERE THE PROJECT, WHEN THE PROJECT WAS REDUCED TO 207 D EIGHT UNITS AT THAT POINT, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT, GENERAL PLAN 2025 HAD JUST BEEN ADOPTED, AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE SITE CHANGED TO THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION. PREVIOUSLY, IT HAD A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE. ALSO, UH, RIVERBANK. TERRACING WAS INTRODUCED TO THE PROJECT. UH, ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE, UH, THREE STORIES. UH, THE PROJECT ENCROACHED INTO THE, UH, UH, BUFFER OF THE PETALUMA RIVER, UH, AND ACCESS, UH, SECONDARY ACCESS WAS PROVIDED, UH, WITH A, UH, CROSSING OVER THE SMART RAILROAD, UH, AT GRADE CROSSING TO CONNECT TO SHASTA AVENUE, WHICH, UH, CONNECTS OUT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. THE, UH, A DRAFT EIR WAS PREPARED. UH, THE, BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THAT DRAFT EIR AT PUBLIC MEETINGS IN 2018, EXPRESSED SIGNIFICANT CONCERN WITH THE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. THERE WERE SIX, UH, SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS. UH, FOUR OF THOSE WERE RELATED TO THE CROSSING, UH, THE A-GRADE CROSSING OVER THE, UH, SMART RAILROAD TRACKS. UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE INPUT RECEIVED AT THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE APPLICANT, UH, YET AGAIN REVISED THE PROJECT. AND IN 2018, UH, SUBMITTED A REVISION THAT REDUCED THIS, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS DOWN TO 205. UH, WAS ALL TWO STORY BUILDINGS. UH, AS SHOWN IN THIS EXHIBIT, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY, I THINK THERE WERE 22 BUILDINGS IN TOTAL. UH, THEY, UH, INTRODUCED, UH, ONSITE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BELOW MARKET RATE HOUSING AT THE TIME. UH, THE, UH, APPLICANTS HAD THE OPTION OF PROVIDING, UH, HOUSING ON SITE, OR PAYING AN IN LIEU FEE. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINED THAT, [00:25:01] UH, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, TO, UH, HAVE ONSITE HOUSING AS THE IN LIE FEE WOULD BE ABLE TO DEVELOP, UH, JUST OVER ONE UNIT. 1.2 UNITS ROUGHLY, IS WHAT THE, IN LIE FEES WOULD, UH, UH, ENABLE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UH, THE PROJECT, UH, PRESERVED IN 2018 ITERATION, UH, PRESERVED TREES IN THE RIVER BUFFER AREA, UH, PROVIDED MORE PROTECTION TO OTHER TREES ON THE SITE. THE, UH, CONNECTION TO SHASTA AVENUE WAS, UH, REMOVED. UH, THEY INCREASED THE SETBACKS FROM THE RAILROAD TO ADDRESS NOISE ISSUES, UH, NOISE IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG GRAY LAWN, UH, AVENUE WAS ALSO INTRODUCED AT THAT POINT. UH, THE EIR FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS, UM, WITH THIS REVISION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFY THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FOR THIS VERSION OF THE PROJECT. UM, BUT RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL DENY THE, UM, UH, ZONING CHANGE, UH, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE OAK CREEK PUD. UM, IN THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH, WITH THE PROJECT DESIGN, UM, BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL, OR, EXCUSE ME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HEARING ON THE, UH, EIR AND THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING ON THE EIR. UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, PROPOSED ANOTHER REVISION. THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL REVISION. UH, THIS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF UNITS YET AGAIN, THIS TIME BY 25 DOWN TO 180 UNITS. UM, THEY CLUSTERED THE DEVELOPMENT CLOSER IN TOGETHER. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS EXHIBIT, UH, MUCH OF THE AREA TOWARDS THE RIVER IS, IS LEFT UNDEVELOPED. UH, THIS, UH, PROPOSAL CONTAINS A, A MIX OF TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS. UM, THE 10% ONSITE BMR WAS, UH, KEPT IN THE PROJECT. THERE WAS FURTHER REDUCTION IN THE TREE, UH, REMOVAL. UH, THEY INCREASED THE MIX OF, UH, UH, UNIT TYPES IN THE COMMITTED TO, UH, ZERO NET ENERGY AND ALL ELECTRIC FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UH, AND THEY PRESERVED, UH, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL WETLAND PRESERVATION ON THE, ON THE PROJECT SITE. THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL, UH, MOVED TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE ZONING CHANGE IN PUD AT, UH, THIS TIME. THIS HAPPENED IN, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2020. THEY ALSO CERTIFIED THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. SO, UM, THE EIR THAT THE COUNCIL CERTIFIED IN, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2020, UH, HAD, UH, TOTAL OF ABOUT 54 MITIGATION MEASURES. THOSE ARE STILL APPLICABLE. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK IN ATTACHMENT TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFYING THE EIR FOR THE PROJECT, AND ALONG WITH THE MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM IS CONTAINED IN THAT ATTACHMENT. UH, IN 2020, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THEIR FIRST SPAR APPLICATION. UH, AND IT, UH, IS BASICALLY THE SAME PROJECT DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED OR REVIEWED UNDER THE, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPACT REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT, UH, CONTAINED THE ELEMENTS LISTED HERE. UM, AND THIS IS, UH, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE PROJECT THAT IS BEFORE US, UH, THIS EVENING. THERE ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT I'LL TOUCH ON. UH, HOWEVER, UH, THE APPLICATION ON, UH, THIS SPAR APPLICATION DID NOT PROCEED AS, UH, THERE WAS A COURT CHALLENGE, UH, LEGAL CHALLENGE FILED BY OPPONENTS TO THE PROJECT. UM, AND THAT HAPPENED ALSO IN 2020, UH, WHEN THE, THE CHALLENGE WAS FILED. UM, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF OR CERTIFICATION OF THE EIR, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFIED, THE EIR, UH, THE TRIAL COURT UPHELD THE CITY'S CERTIFICATION OF THE EIR. UH, THE OPPONENTS APPEALED THE TRIAL COURT'S, UH, DECISION TO THE, UH, COURT OF APPEAL. AND THAT COURT ALSO, UH, UPHELD THE CITY'S, UH, CERTIFICATION OF THE EIR. UM, SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT IS A CLOSED AND DONE DEAL. IN THE MEANTIME, THE APPLICANT BEGAN WORKING ON OBTAINING THEIR RESOURCE AGENCY APPROVALS, UH, FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE RESOURCE AGENCIES. UH, THEY RECEIVED, [00:30:01] UM, A, UH, STREAMBED ALTERATION PERMIT, UM, UNDER SECTION 4 0 4, UH, THE CLEAN WATER ACT FROM THE ARMY CORPS. THEY RECEIVED THEIR, UH, UH, WATER BOARD CERTIFICATION, UH, THEIR 4 0 1 WATER, UH, QUALITY CERTIFICATION, UH, FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGIONAL WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. THEIR, UH, PERMITS FROM THE, UH, CALIFORNIA FISH AND WILDLIFE, AND ALSO A CONCURRENCE LETTER FROM THE NATIONAL MARINE FISHERY SERVICE. UH, ALL OF THESE LETTERS ARE ATTACHED, UH, TO THE STAFF REPORT AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER EIGHT. UH, THEY DO CONTAIN SEVERAL CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW DURING THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, THERE ARE ITEMS THAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT, UH, UH, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, GRADING DOCUMENTS, AND SO ON. SO, THE PROJECT, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, IS A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPLICATION. UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2020. UH, SO THIS APPLICATION HAS A 180 UNITS, UH, EIGHT 17 PLEX BUILDINGS. THESE ARE THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH TWO STORY ELEMENTS ON THE ENDS. UH, ONE 16 PLEX BUILDING WITH TWO STORIES, TWO 14 PLEX BUILDINGS WITH TWO STORIES, A, UH, CENTRAL OPEN SPACE AREA, UH, WITH THE POOL, SPA, AND OTHER AMENITIES. UM, THE ACCESS IS FROM GRAY LAWN AVENUE, UM, AND IN TWO LOCATIONS. AND EVA ACCESS IS FROM BERNICE COURT, AND THAT IS CONTROLLED WITH BOLLARDS, UH, TO, TO PREVENT THROUGH TRAFFIC. UM, THERE ARE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED ON THE PROJECT FRONTAGE ALONG GRAY LAWN AVENUE THAT WOULD EXTEND NORTH TO A TRAIL THAT WOULD FOLLOW THE RIVER. UH, THERE'S A PUBLIC DOG PARK, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING PUBLIC PLAYGROUND. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UH, TERRACING OF THE RIVER BANK. THE CHANGES TO THE PROJECT SINCE IT WAS ANALYZED, UM, IN THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT IS, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, REALIZED THAT SOME OF THEIR UNIT SIZES WERE LARGER THAN THEY NEEDED TO BE GIVEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UM, AND MARKET REALITIES. THEY ENDED UP SHRINKING THE, UH, NET RENTABLE AREA BY ROUGHLY 14,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE UNIT COUNT. THEY DID CHANGE THE MIX OF BEDROOM TYPES, UH, BEDROOMS IN THE UNITS. UH, SO THEY HAVE, UH, THREE BEDROOM UNITS, WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT. UM, AND THEN ALSO IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE RESOURCE AGENCIES, UH, REQUIREMENTS, THEY SHIFTED THE, UH, TRAIL ALONG THE RIVER FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TOP OF THE RIVER BANK. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. THESE CHANGES, UH, DO NOT CREATE ANY NEW, UH, IMPACTS, IF ANYTHING, THEY ACTUALLY LESSEN THE, UH, ANY IMPACTS. SO THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS, UM, THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UM, SEE IF I COULD GET MY CURSOR GOING. SO, UM, THIS IS GRAY LAWN AVENUE, UH, THE EXISTING CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF GRAY LAWN AVENUE. THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS IN THIS LOCATION, KIND OF AT THE NINE O'CLOCK POSITION OF GR LAWN AVENUE. AS YOU'RE COMING UP, IT, UH, THIS BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY CLUBHOUSE. UH, THE BUILDINGS IN THE TAN COLOR, UH, THESE ARE THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. UH, THIS BUILDING IS THE TWO STORY 16 PLEX BUILDING. AND THEN THESE TWO, UH, BROWNISH COLORED BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORY 14 PLEX BUILDINGS. UH, THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE ALONG THIS SIDE. UH, ALONG THIS SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, UH, PARKING SPACES, UH, THESE ARE SURFACE PARKING SPOTS. UH, THESE GRAY AREAS ARE CARPORTS. UM, AND THEN ALSO UNDER THE CARPORTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UH, ARE 10, UH, BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, UH, COVERED AND ENCLOSED, UH, BICYCLE PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO A BIKE STORAGE ROOM IN THE CLUBHOUSE. THIS IS THE 17 PLEX BUILDING. UH, THE THREE STORY ELEMENT IN THE CENTER, TWO STORY ELEMENTS ON EITHER SIDE. UH, PARKING IS PROVIDED, UH, AS I MENTIONED, IN SURFACE PARKING SPACES IN THE CARPORTS. AND THEN ALSO ON THE BACKSIDE OF THESE BUILDINGS, THERE ARE ENCLOSED GARAGES. [00:35:04] AGAIN, THE, UH, THIS BUILDING TYPE IS IN THE, UH, KIND OF THE TAN COLORED AREAS OF THE, UH, OF THE SITE. AND THEN THIS IS THE TWO STORY 16 PLEX BUILDING. THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THIS BUILDING TYPE. IT'S LOCATED, UH, AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THIS LOCATION. AND THEN BUILDINGS 10 AND 11 ARE THE, UH, TWO STORY 14 PLEX BUILDINGS. THEY'RE IN THIS KINDA L L-SHAPE ARRANGEMENT AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE, UH, PROJECT SITE. THESE, UH, TWO BUILDINGS ARE, UH, BUILDINGS CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UH, LOCATED IN THIS AREA. THIS IS THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST BUILDING ONE WOULD SEE DRIVING INTO THE, UH, INTO THE PROJECT SITE. UH, THE PROJECT INCLUDES, UH, THE REMOVAL OF 12 TREES. SIX OF THOSE TREES ARE PROTECTED BY ORDINANCE. UH, IT PROTECTS, IT PRESERVES 84 EXISTING TREES ON THE PROJECT SITE. UH, PLANTS 272, UH, NEW TREES, UH, 71 OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED, UH, TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THE SIX TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. UM, AND IT, UH, ALSO INCLUDES A HABITAT, UM, UH, MITIGATION AND MONITORING PLAN THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE RESOURCE AGENCIES. AND THAT PLAN INCLUDES, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 58 ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, PLUS OVER 2100 SHRUBS, UH, THAT ARE, ARE PART OF THAT PLAN. UH, THIS SHOWS THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN. UH, BASICALLY TREES THROUGHOUT THE, UH, DEVELOPED PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT. UM, UH, EXISTING TREE CLUSTERS, INCLUDING THIS, UH, CLUSTER OF MATURE TREES, UH, ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHEASTERLY BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT SITE REMAINS, UH, THERE'S A TREE CLUSTER HERE IN THIS LOCATION THAT WILL BE PRESERVED, UH, IN ADDITION TO OTHER TREES IN THIS CENTRAL, UM, LANDSCAPE AREA CENTRAL, UH, GREEN AREA OF THE SITE. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE POOL AREA, UH, PATIO SEATING AREAS. UH, AND THEN THEY HAVE, UH, LITTLE NODES, UH, WITH SEATING AREAS, UM, IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, INCLUDING ONE IN THIS AREA AT THE NORTH END, UH, ONE DOWN HERE AT THE SOUTH END. THE, UH, DOG PARK IS, UH, LOCATED IN THIS AREA ADJACENT TO THE, UH, RIVER TRAIL. THIS IS A PORTION OF THE RIVER TRAIL, UM, AND THE DOG PARK IS DIVIDED INTO TWO AREAS. ONE FOR LARGE DOGS, ONE FOR SMALL DOGS. UH, THE HABITAT MITIGATION AND MONITORING PLAN, UH, THAT I MENTIONED, UH, INCLUDES, UH, REVEGETATION WITH, UH, NATIVE, UH, RIPARIAN PLANT SPECIES, A MIX OF TREES AND SHRUBS AND GRASSES, UH, IN THE, UH, AREAS OF THE, UH, RIVERBANK THAT ARE, UH, TERRACE. UM, SO THIS SHOWS, UH, THE PORTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF FURTHEST TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT SITE. UH, THIS IS BUILDING THREE OVER HERE, BUILDING FOUR, UH, RIGHT HERE. UH, THIS IS A STORMWATER DETENTION BASIN. SO AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE, UH, THE TERRACING AREAS ALONG THE RIVER. UM, PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ALL THE PLANT SPECIES THAT ARE PROPOSED. UM, UH, BUT IT'S A, LIKE I SAID, A MIX OF THESE ARE ALL NATIVE, UM, RIPARIAN TREES, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR RESTORATION OF, UH, THE, UH, RIVER BANK. AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, REQUIRED AS A MITIGATION MEASURE AND WAS REQUIRED BY, UH, RESOURCE AGENCIES. AND THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM, UH, FROM THE AREA WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT A CONTINUATION OF THE, UH, OF THE TERRACING. UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TREES ALONG THE, UH, SLOPES OF THE, UH, AREA THAT ARE TERRA DOWN TO THE TERRACES, WHICH ARE THESE AREAS. SO STORMWATER, UM, DRAINS TOWARDS THE RIVER, UH, DOWN SLOPE, UH, FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. UH, THIS IS JUST THE NORTHERLY PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE. UM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS ALL THE BIO RETENTION AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED. SO WATER IS COLLECTED IN STORM DRAINS, UM, SHOWN IN THESE DARK LINES IN THE DRIVEWAYS AND DRIVE AISLES. UM, AND THEN CONVEYED TO THESE AREAS SHOWN IN GREEN. UM, AND THEN BEF FROM THESE AREAS SHOWN IN GREEN AFTER THE WATER IS, UH, [00:40:01] UH, HAS SETTLED, UH, IMPURITIES SETTLED OUT, UM, IT DRAINS DOWN TOWARDS, UH, THE RIVER INTO THIS AREA. UM, AND THEN AN OVERFLOW AREA THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE RIVER BEFORE IT'S ULTIMATELY DISCHARGED TO THE RIVER. AND THEN THE SAME THING OCCURS FROM THESE SPY RETENTION BASINS WHERE THEY, UH, DRAIN UP IN THIS NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION. THE, UH, RIVER TRAIL, UH, IS A GOOD EXHIBIT TO TALK ABOUT THE RIVER TRAIL. UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE FAR NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE'S A SMALL TRIANGULAR PIECE, UH, THAT IS UNDER SEPARATE OWNERSHIP. UH, SO THE TRAIL WOULD COME UP TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. UH, ORIGINALLY THE TRAIL EXTENDED IN THIS AREA. UM, BUT AFTER GOING THROUGH RESOURCE AGENCY REVIEW, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF RESOURCE AGENCY, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE CHANGES, IS IT WAS ROUTED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE RIVER. UH, THIS IS A SMALL LOOKOUT AREA, UH, THAT IS, UH, INCLUDED. AND I BELIEVE UNDER PREVIOUS PLANS, THIS LOOKOUT AREA WAS CLOSER TO THE RIVER. BUT AGAIN, IN RESPONSE TO RESOURCE AGENCY, UH, COMMENT, UH, AND REVIEW, IT WAS, UH, REMOVED. FURTHER BACK, THIS RED LINE IS A 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE THAT'S REQUIRED BY, UH, THE PETALUMA RIVER, UH, ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN. AND THEN WHEREVER THERE'S A, UH, TREE WITHIN THAT BUFFER AREA, THERE'S A 50 FOOT ADDITIONAL BUFFER AROUND THAT TREE. SO THAT'S WHAT THESE, UH, AREAS ARE, UH, IN THIS LOCATION. UH, AND THIS BUFFER LINE GOES, UH, ALL THE WAY UP ALONG THE PROJECT SITE, UM, BACK TO THE, TO THE TRAIL. UH, SO THE RIVER TRAIL COMES ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT, UH, FRONTAGE TO THE RIVER. UH, AND THEN THERE'S A CONNECTION, UH, TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS SIDEWALK LEADS TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, AT THE END OF GREY LAWN AVENUE. THE, UH, GRADING PLAN, AND I'M JUST SHOWING, UH, THE FAR NORTH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE FAR SOUTH END OF THE PROJECT SITES SINCE, UM, AT LEAST IN THE DEVELOPED AREA, THIS IS WHERE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GRADING WOULD BE OCCURRING. UH, AND IN THIS AREA, UM, JUST TO ORIENT YOU, UH, GRAY LAWN AVENUE WOULD BE ON THE TOP OF THIS, UH, SCREEN. UM, THE CUL-DE-SAC OFF OF BERNICE COURT IS DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. UH, THIS IS BUILDING 10. AND THEN THIS IS BUILDING NUMBER 11. UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE. THESE ARE HOMES ACCESSED OFF OF GRAY LAWN AVENUE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OFF OF GRAY LAWN AVENUE. AND, UH, BERNICE COURT IN THIS AREA. UH, THERE'S A, A BIT OF A KNOLL HERE. UH, THE PROPERTY SLOPES DOWN, THEY'RE CUTTING THIS AREA DOWN, UH, REDUCING THE ELEVATION. SO FROM THE HIGH POINT UP HERE, THIS IS ROUGHLY 12 FEET LOWER IN ELEVATION. UM, THEN THE EXISTING GRADE OF THE HOMES NEXT DOOR. UM, AND THEN THAT SLOPE COMES DOWN. UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WE HAVE IS THAT THIS RETAINING WALL, SO THERE ARE TWO RETAINING WALLS HERE. THIS IS A THREE FOOT WALL IN THIS LOCATION. THERE'S A THREE FOOT SEPARATION, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WALL THAT EXCEEDS THREE FEET IN MANY SPOTS. THE CODE, UH, HAS A, A THREE FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT FOR RETAINING WALLS. UM, SO THEY WOULD NEED TO, UM, PUT IN A THIRD WALL TO BREAK IT UP. SO THEY HAVE A SERIES OF, OF THREE, THREE FOOT RETAINING WALLS. UH, THIS EXHIBIT ALSO SHOWS, AND WE MIGHT AS WELL GO THERE AT THIS POINT, TREE NUMBER 200, UH, WHICH IS THIS TREE HERE, PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. UH, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE PLANS, MY, I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, WELL, THEY ARE OVER PARKED. UH, THEY HAVE ABOUT 1.87 SPACES PER UNIT, UH, WHERE 1.5 IS REQUIRED, UM, BY ELIMINATING TWO CARPORT PARKING SPACES HERE, AND PERHAPS DEPENDING ON, UH, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ROOT SYSTEM AND THE LIMBS. UM, PERHAPS SHIFTING THE, UH, SLIGHT REALIGNMENT ON, UH, THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES AROUND EITHER SIDE OF THIS TREE. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO SAVE THIS TREE. ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE IS THAT THE PROPOSED GRADE HERE IS AT ABOUT A THREE FOOT LOWER ELEVATION OF THE DRIVEWAY THAN THE EXISTING GRADE. SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A TWO TO THREE FOOT RETAINING WALL, UH, IN THIS AREA AS WELL. UM, I DID MENTION THIS TO THE, UH, APPLICANT TEAM. THEY'VE BEGUN THEIR PRELIMINARY LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE THIS TREE. UM, INITIAL RESPONSE IS THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD WITHOUT MAKING SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN THIS AREA. AND EVEN DOING SO MAY NOT RESULT IN SAVING THE TREE BECAUSE OF, OF [00:45:01] DAMAGE THAT MAY OCCUR TO IT. SO, UM, THE OTHER TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ON THE SITE, UH, ARE SHOWN IN THIS EXHIBIT. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO ORIENT YOU. THIS IS THE CUL-DE-SAC WITH THE MAIN ENTRY IN THIS LOCATION. UH, THIS IS THE SECONDARY, SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE PROJECT SITE. UM, THERE ARE THESE FIVE TREES HERE, PLUS TREE 200, WHICH I'M BEING OPTIMISTIC, AND PUT A YELLOW CIRCLE AROUND INSTEAD OF RED. BUT, UM, SO THERE ARE FOUR VALLEY OAKS, UH, COAST REDWOOD, AND THEN THE, UH, COAST LIVE OAK, WHICH IS TREE NUMBER, UH, 200. LASTLY, THE PROJECT INCLUDES A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. UM, SO THE BLUE LINE SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF THE TWO EXISTING PARCELS. THE RED LINE SHOWS THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN PARCEL TWO, WHICH IS THIS PARCEL AND PARCEL ONE, WHICH IS THE SMALLER PARCEL DOWN HERE. SO PARCEL ONE IS, UH, FOUR, ABOUT A THIRD ACRES EXISTING PARCEL TWO IS 63 ACRES, AND IT STRADDLES THE PETALUMA RIVER. THIS IS ROUGHLY THE CENTER LINE OF THE RIVER. THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT WOULD REMOVE THIS LINE OR SHIFT THIS LINE THAT'S SHOWN IN RED TO WHERE THIS LINE IN GREEN IS SHOWN. SO THIS WOULD BECOME THE PROJECT SITE, UH, CONSISTING OF 18.71 ACRES. AND THEN THE, UH, OTHER PARCEL WOULD BE, UH, 49 ACRES. UH, THIS OTHER PARCEL IS, UM, THE DEER CREEK PROPOSAL, UM, THAT, UH, IS OFF OF, UH, RAINIER APP. SO THE COMMISSION'S SCOPE OF REVIEW THIS EVENING IS FINDING WHAT THAT THE PROJECT IS OR IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UH, CRITERIA OF THE, UH, OF THE ZONING CODE OF THE, UH, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, I'VE LISTED THE, UH, THE STANDARDS HERE. SOME OF THEM ARE SUMMARIZED OR SHORTENED, JUST, UM, BUT, UH, THE STAFF REPORTS GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL DESCRIBING THE, HOW THE PROJECT RELATES TO THESE, UH, TO THESE CRITERIA. UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WISHES TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, YOU SHOULD KEEP THESE CRITERIA IN MIND AND RELATE ANY OF YOUR CONDITIONS TO, UH, TO THE, TO THESE CRITERIA. SO IF YOU WANNA CHANGE SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE PROPOSED, YOU WOULD RELY ON THIS FIRST DESIGN REVIEW STANDARD SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW STANDARD THAT SPEAKS TO THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS, UM, AND, AND SO ON. SO, UM, AGAIN, THESE, UH, THERE'S, I BELIEVE THERE ARE NINE STANDARDS. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 10. UH, ONE OF THEM DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROJECT SINCE IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED. UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE CRITERIA FOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. AND THEN THERE'S A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, CRITERIA. TYPICALLY, TREE REMOVAL PERMITS CAN BE, UH, REVIEWED AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. HOWEVER, WHEN A PROJECT, UH, INVOLVES PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW, UH, WE GROUP THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WITH THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT IS, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, AND THERE ARE TWO, TWO STANDARDS HERE. ONE IS, COULD THE TREES BE SAVED BY REASONABLE REDESIGN OR BY DOING SOME THINNING OR TRIMMING TO THE TREE? UM, AND THEN TWO IS, UM, THERE ADEQUATE PROVISIONS FOR DRAINAGE, EROSION CONTROL, LANCE ABILITY, WIND BUFFERS. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S THE, UH, LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. THIS REALLY IS A, A KINDA A MINISTERIAL QUESTION. DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND DIMENSION STANDARDS? UM, ARE WE CREATING SETBACKS THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT BE MEET BUILDING CODE STANDARDS? UM, AND THIS IS UNDER THE, UH, THE GOVERNMENT CODE. THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE, UH, HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS TO. UH, THERE ARE A FEW TYPOS. UM, IT SHOULD BE GREY LAWN AVE, NOT CASA GRANDE ROAD. UM, CONDITION NUMBER ONE 14. UH, AS RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING, UH, UM, MEASURE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UM, WE, UH, SUGGEST THAT BE REVISED, UM, SLIGHTLY AS SHOWN HERE. UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN PROVIDE ITS INPUT, UM, IF IT HAS ANY ON, ON THIS QUESTION OF THE, OF THE DESIGN OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING. UM, AND THEN THE FINAL DECISION RESTS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER IN THE SAFE STREETS TEAM, UH, WITH PUBLIC [00:50:01] INPUT THAT WOULD BE, WOULD HAPPEN AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AT, UH, AT A LATER DATE. UM, AND THEN CONDITION 1 32 IS A, DOES NOT BELONG. IT WAS A LEFTOVER FROM A DIFFERENT PROJECT. UM, AND THEN CONDITION ONE 40, THERE'S A TYPO ABOUT, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABOVE. UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. UM, THERE IS MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS PROJECT. I KNOW I DID NOT TOUCH ON EVERY DETAIL, UH, WHERE STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, ALSO THE APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE THIS EVENING. UH, THE PROJECT ENGINEER AND ARCHITECTS ARE HERE. UM, AND THEN I SEE, UH, THE CITY ENGINEERS ALSO, UH, HERE THIS EVENING IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. HEY, CHAIR, AND BEFORE WE START THE QUESTIONS, I SPOKE TO OUR IT MANAGER. UH, THE PROBLEM IS ON OUR VIDEO PRODUCTION SIDE, HE HAS SENT AN EMERGENCY TICKET. HOWEVER, HE THINKS HE HAS A SOLUTION, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE RE STARTING THE WHOLE SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE'D STOP RECORDING. SO MAYBE IT'D BE AN OKAY TIME TO TAKE A RECESS BEFORE THE QUESTIONS AND GIVE HIM FIVE MINUTES TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. LET'S DO A QUICK RECESS AND HOPE THAT THAT QUICK RESTART GETS US TECHNICALLY BACK ON TRACK. SO WE'LL CALL A RECESS FOR AT MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES. WE'LL BE BACK BY 7:00 PM UH, AND GET GOING EITHER WAY. THANK YOU. [00:55:05] DID WE GAIN VIDEO AND LOSE AUDIO? OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT OUR VIDEO SITUATION FIXED. DID YOU NEED TO, WE WILL POST THE FULL MEETING AFTER THE MEETING, AND THE FULL MEETING WILL BE POSTED AFTER. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BUT WE ARE NOW LIVE STREAMING, UM, SO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE AS WE GOT THROUGH THOSE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. UM, AS WE HEAD INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS HERE, I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SHARE OUR MEETING FLOW. LET'S SEE IF THAT'LL WORK GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. OKAY. SO JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE, UM, SOME SIGN POSTING OF HOW THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS GONNA WORK, SINCE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS UP HERE AND SOME FOLKS IN THE ROOM, I JUST, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO GET OURSELVES ORIENTED. SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR STAFF, UH, PRESENTATION. WE'RE GONNA HEAD INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, THEN PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN WE'LL GO INTO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION. AND FROM THERE WE'LL DO SOME FINAL FEEDBACK, AMENDMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AGAIN, THAT WILL BE AMONGST THE CO, THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN TO A MOTION. SO HEADING INTO OUR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK STAFF. UM, WE'VE ALSO, AS, UH, WE SAID HERE, HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU CAN INQUIRE ABOUT METHODOLOGY OR CLARIFY DATA. WE DO ASK THAT YOUR QUESTIONS END IN A QUESTION MARK. UM, TRY NOT TO DO TOO, LEADING OF A QUESTION. WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY IN THE DISCUSSION PERIOD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BRAINSTORMING. UM, SO I ASK THAT WE AVOID THE, LIKE, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MY SUGGESTION, ? I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE DISCUSSION PHASE SO THAT WE CAN GET OURSELVES ONTO PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, AND AS ALWAYS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO PASS. SO I WILL WITH THAT, OPEN US UP TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER EBNER, UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO GRADING FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, I NOTICED THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CUBIC YARDS PROPOSED AS OFF HAUL. I GUESS I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ELABORATION ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER RETAINING AND WHY WE'RE DROPPING DOWN THAT 12 FEET BETWEEN THE ADJACENT GRADING AND WHY WE'RE INTRODUCING RETAINING THERE BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORING HOMES. UM, AND THEN MAYBE RELATED TO THAT, UH, QUESTION ON JUST THE NATURE OF THE BIOSWALES AND THE TERRACING MATERIALS ALONG THE RIVERFRONT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS STAFF, WAYNE LEACH. I'M WITH CSW, STUBER, STRO OR ENGINEERING. UM, AND, UH, WITH THE GRADING PLAN, SO A QUESTION YOU HAVE REGARDING THE QUANTITIES, UM, THE GRADING PLAN ACTUALLY, UH, IDENTIFIES WHAT THE AMOUNT OF CUTS AND FILLS ARE. THEY BREAK OUT SORT OF WHERE THEY ARE. SO THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, THAT WE KIND OF BROKE OUT FOR, I GUESS FOR CONSIDERATION. ONE IS THE, THE GRADING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TYCENE. AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, THAT TYCENE PART OF THE WORK THERE, UM, INCLUDES REMOVAL OF THE MATERIAL. AND SO, UM, THERE'S A A, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT THERE THAT IS REALLY A RESULT OF, OF THE OFF HAUL. SOME OF THAT MATERIAL THOUGH, HOWEVER, IS, IS STILL BEING USED ON SITE FOR, FOR SOME. SO, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CUT AND FILL, MOVED AROUND ON SITE, BUT WITH THE SORT OF, WITH THE, THAT VOLUME OF MATERIAL FROM, UM, FROM THE TERRANE, THAT'S PRIMARILY THE RESULT OF SOME OF THAT HIGHER NUMBER. UM, AS FAR YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, STORMWATER TREATMENT OR BIO RETENTION AREAS. IS, IS THERE SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? I GUESS IT'S MORE OF LIKE A LANDSCAPE QUESTION AND HOW THE BIO RETENTION AREAS ARE INTENDED TO BE LANDSCAPED WITH THE NATURE OF THEM IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND HOW THE MATERIALS WOULD BE TREATED THERE. OKAY. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE LANDSCAPE GUY, , BUT, UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE BIO RETENTION AREAS, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT SORT OF GENERAL AREAS. ONE IS SOME THAT ARE UP CLOSER TO THE BUILDINGS, UM, SORT OF THE, UM, THE, THE, THE SORT OF THE NATURE OF THOSE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY SHALLOW. UM, AND, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE LANDSCAPE, MATERIAL WILL BE, BE PART OF THAT. THERE IS THE LARGER AREAS THAT ARE DOWN LOWER, THOSE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH TO THOSE. UM, AND, UH, ANYWAY, SO I'LL LET HIM GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE TYPE OF MATERIAL. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED? [01:00:01] I GUESS MORE GENERALLY, AND THIS MAY BE BEST DIRECTED AT PLANNING, BUT UNDERSTANDING, I GUESS KNOWING THAT THIS IS A FLOODWAY OR THAT IT IS A, A LOW LYING AREA, UNDERSTANDING THE DELTA BETWEEN THE EXISTING VERSUS PROPOSED AVERAGE GRADE OR WHERE THE STRUCTURES ARE SITTING. UM, YEAH, IF, IF SOMEONE COULD JUST GIMME A CLEAR NUMBER ON THAT, UH, EXISTING GRADE VERSUS PROPOSED GRADE, JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP MORE OF THE SOILS ON SITE AND KEEP EVERYTHING AS ELEVATED AS WE CAN, OR IF THAT'S PRACTICAL. UM, AS FAR AS REGRADING THE SITE OR CHANGING THE TOPOGRAPHY OF IT, IT, IT IS KIND OF A, A FINE BALANCE BETWEEN TRYING TO GET THE, UH, GET THE HEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE SITE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT ELEVATING IT, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH OR GETTING HEIGHTS TOO HIGH. UM, YOU KNOW, RETAINING WALLS, AS WE HEARD FROM STAFF, YOU KNOW, ARE SORT OF LIMITED AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY'RE FILL OR CUT. THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS TO THAT. UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE SITE RELATIVE TO THE, UH, ARE, ARE YOU ASKING IS WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS IT RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE, THE RIVER ELEVATIONS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN? YEAH, THAT, AND MAYBE CLARIFICATION ON, I NOTICED THE MAX BUILDING HEIGHT IS WITHIN FOUR INCHES OR SO OF OUR 35 FOOT, AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THERE'S ALL TO THE ARCHITECT AS WELL, BUT YEAH. YEAH. BUT AS FAR AS THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE SET FOR THE BUILDINGS AND THE FINISHED FLOORS AND THEIR RELATIVE ELEVATION TO, UM, TO THE FLOODPLAIN FEMA FLOODPLAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS, IS WELL, OBVIOUSLY WELL OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE ELEVATIONS THEMSELVES. UM, I THINK THE, THE CLOSEST ONE IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO THREE FEET ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN. SO, ALL RIGHT. I'LL MARCO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARCO LANDSCAPE AND THEN ARCHITECT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARCO LE, I'M WITH THE GADO PARTNERSHIP. I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PLANTING MATERIALS WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE. SO YEAH, THE, THE SHOPS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE PLANT, IN THE TREATMENT PLANTER, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY FROM A COUNTY GUIDELINE. SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC C3 COUNTY GUIDELINE CHECKLIST, UH, OR PLANT LIST THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO USE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PLANTS WOULD BE LIKE JUNKERS, DEER, GRASS, CONAL, THOSE TYPE OF NATIVE, YOU KNOW, UH, SPECIES THAT'S SUITABLE FOR A TREATMENT APPLICATION. AND IT'S, WE ALSO DID A FULL PLANTING PLAN IN THE SEMINAL PACKAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANTS AND STYLES, UM, IN THIS SET. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KUZEN. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU EMMANUEL FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO TO START US OFF, I HAD QUESTIONS ON FLOOD PLANNING DRAINAGE. QUICK QUESTION. YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, A LOT WITH THE CITY'S FLOOD MODELING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE LIMITATIONS NORTH OF THE WEIR WITH WHAT WE'RE MODELING, BUT THIS SEEMED LIKE A MODEL PROJECT TO POTENTIALLY RUN SOME OF OUR NEW AND UPDATED FLOOD MODELS. UM, IS THAT POSSIBLE? HAVE WE DONE ANY KIND OF POST-CONSTRUCTION FLOOD MODELING, OR AGAIN, IS OUR DATA OF OUR MODELS THAT WE'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS LIMITED IN THAT RESPECT? HI, KENT CARUTHERS, CITY ENGINEER. SO AS RELATED TO THE, THE FLOODPLAIN MODELING, UM, IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, EVALUATE THE SEA LEVEL RISE IS ONE OF, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE COULD PICK UP ORIGINALLY, THE, THE PROJECT, UM, COMPLIES WITH THE EXISTING FIRM AND THE EXISTING FLOODPLAIN MODELING, BUT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE, UH, AN APPROVED FLOODPLAIN, UM, REVISED, UM, ANALYSIS NOW THAT THE PROJECT FALLS UNDER THE, UM, THE, THE EXISTING FIRM THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME, AND IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THAT, AND IT'S, MR. LEACH SAID IT'S, IT, THE BUILDINGS ARE THREE FEET ABOVE AND THEY'VE DONE THE TERRACING THAT, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO STAFF IS, IS, UM, CONFIDENT THAT ANY NEW ANALYSIS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE WEIR AND HOW THAT WORKS, THAT, UM, AS FAR AS FEMA IS CONCERNED, UM, THAT ANY, ANY FUTURE MODELING THAT'S DONE THE PROJECT, UM, IS GONNA BE COMPLIANT. SO STAFF WITH, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR ANALYSIS FROM OUR, UM, MODELING CONSULTANT, UM, DEALS THAT THE PROJECT IS, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, WOULD IT BE, UM, ACCURATE TO CHARACTERIZE THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY IMPOSE FLOOD MODELING [01:05:01] THAT IT'S NOT ALREADY ON THE CITY'S BOOKS TO APPLY TO THIS PROJECT? I'M THINKING OF, WE GOT A SPECIFIC EMAIL FROM A PAST, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, DAVID KELLER, ABOUT A KIND OF AN ALTERNATIVE FLOOD MODEL. UH, SO IF ANDREW, I SAW YOU'RE ABOUT TO JUMP ON, IF YOU CAN MAYBE DESCRIBE THAT. SURE. WE THIS, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADOPTED POLICIES OR WE'VE NOT YET ADOPTED THE FLOOD MODEL, WE DO, UH, REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH THE EXISTING POLICIES THAT ARE ON RECORD AND HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, I THINK THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT. AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT COM OR IS, CONSTITUTES A DEVELOPMENT UNDER A THOUSAND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT WHEN YOU ONLY IMPOSE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE ON THE BOOKS WHEN THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPMENT WAS SUBMITTED. SO EVEN IF THERE HAVE BEEN FLOOD MODELS THAT HAVE EMERGED OR PEOPLE FIND ALTERNATES, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY IMPOSE THAT HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, KIND OF IN THAT VEIN, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US THE, THE QUICK LIST OF OTHER AGENCIES THAT THEY'LL BE INTERFACING WITH WHEN IT COMES TO FLOODPLAIN AND RIVER? JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN PUBLIC COMMENT KIND OF REACH BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF JUST CITY OF PETALUMA. UM, A A, A MANUAL HIT ON A LOT OF THE RESOURCE AGENCIES THAT HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT, LOOKED AT THIS, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS LOCALLY AND TO, TO COMPLY WITH THE, THE POLICIES THAT THE CITIES AND WITHIN SONOMA COUNTY HAVE IS LIKE THE, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA, UM, FINISH OFF THE, THE HYDROLOGY AND HYDRAULIC STUDIES THAT WILL GO TO THE WATER AGENCY FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UM, AND THEN WITH THE C LEVEL RISE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED JUST TO HAVE THAT ANALYSIS DONE, WE'LL HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS, UM, LOOK AT, LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. I WOULD ALSO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND TALK THROUGH A BIT OF THE MULTI-YEAR PROCESS THAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH RESOURCE AGENCY REVIEW AND, UM, WHAT THE RESULTS OF THOSE REVIEWS HAVE BEEN. THAT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO GIVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS WE'VE RECEIVED SOME ASSURANCE. RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN I BELIEVE ALL THOSE REVIEWS ARE CONDITIONED FOR NEXT STEPS AS WELL AS THE PROJECT, UM, EVOLVES. YEAH. SO, UM, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MARK JOHNSON. I'M WITH THE ACCLAIMED COMPANIES. WE'RE THE APPLICANT. UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A, A, A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS WITH, UM, THE ARMY CORPS, UM, FISH AND GAME REGIONAL WA WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. UM, THESE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AND TO GET APPROVAL, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT. THE, UM, FINAL AND LAST ONE, WHICH, UM, UM, MR. CARUTHERS MENTIONED WAS THE, UH, SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. AND WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A WATER QUALITY CERTIFICATION IN ORDER FROM THEM. AND A, UM, AND A DID NUMBER. AND THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING MONITORING PROG, UH, PROGRAM. WE PAY AN ANNUAL FEE AND WE WILL THEN ALERT THEM PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. THEY WILL APPROVE GRADING PLANS, THEY WILL BE MONITORING OUR GRADING. THEY WILL BE ON SITE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND HOW WE ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE, THE RIVER, UH, FLOODPLAIN AND FLOOD AREA. UM, AND SO ANYWAY, I, I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION ON THAT. YES, THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON. THAT WAS THE EXACT CHARACTERIZATION THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE THE PUBLIC REASSURANCE, ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO MAY NOT HAVE READ SOME OF THE VOLUMINOUS DOCUMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW SERIOUSLY YOU'VE TAKEN FLOOD, GIVEN THE SENSITIVE NATURE OF THE SITE. UH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST, UH, REGARDING THE TERRORIST ELEVATIONS BIO RETENTION BASIN BASINS AS EITHER PART OF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE CCNRS OR MORE LIKELY SOMETHING WITH THE EXISTING, UH, MONITORING PERFORMANCE MONITORING. BUT DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THOSE ELEVATIONS AND BIO RETENTION BASINS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE FUNCTIONING, UM, AND KIND OF CONTINUED MONITORING OF THOSE AREAS? DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ENCAPSULATED THAT? I THINK THE, UH, CITY ENGINEER CAN SPEAK TO THE BIO RETENTION BASINS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE, THE MONITORING OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE TERRACES. THE TERRACES ARE, UM, TRIGGERED BY THE RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN. SO, UH, EMMANUEL, YOU, YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE A COMMENT ON TERRACES. YEAH, SO THE, UH, HABITAT MITIGATION MONITORING PLAN HAS A FIVE-YEAR MONITORING PLAN. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY SPEAKS TO YOUR CONCERNS, BUT IT, IT DOES REQUIRE MONITORING OF THE VEGETATION REPLACEMENT OF ANY VEGETATION THAT'S PLANTED. UM, AND, AND SO ON. SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT TOUCHES ON IT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY THE TERRACING, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD [01:10:01] PROBABLY HAVE US COVERED. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT IN THE OPEN, KEN. THE BIO RETENTION, UM, THERE'S A CONDITION, A STANDARD CONDITION THAT WE HAVE THAT, THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, UM, NEED TO BE ENTERED INTO. AND THOSE WILL BE RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. AND, UM, THE CITY STAFF WILL BE TRACKING, UM, THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND THE, THE HOW, THE, HOW THE BUYER RETENTION FACILITIES ARE WORKING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN SOMETHING SIMILAR, DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR KIND OF MAINTENANCE PLAN IN PLACE FOR TREES WITH THE AMOUNT OF TREE PLANTINGS THAT WE HAVE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD FALL TO THE HABITAT MONITORING MITIGATION OR WHETHER THAT MIGHT FALL TO LIKE CCNRS ON THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING. DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF TREE MAINTENANCE PLAN IN PLACE? CURRENTLY? THERE, UH, ARE STANDARD TREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT REQUIRE THAT THE TREES BE MONITORED. ANY TREES THAT DIE BE REPLACED, UM, I CAN FIND THE EXACT CONDITION NUMBER AND AND, AND PULL IT UP FOR YOU. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN ONE THAT I HAD MISSED, SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT I'D ASK. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN ONE WAS A TECHNICAL QUESTION ON TREE NUMBER 44 ON ONE OF THESE CIVIL PLANS, UH, I THINK C 4.0, TREE 44 WAS CROSSED OUT. I THINK EVERYWHERE ELSE 44 REMAINS. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, I, I NOTICED THAT AS WELL. UM, THIS IS THE TREE UP ALONG GRAY LAWN AVENUE, RIGHT? YEAH, SO, UM, THERE'S, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ARBORIST REPORT, THERE ARE SOME, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, MITIGATIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO, TO PROTECT THAT TREE DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN, MAYBE WE CAN ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ENSURES THAT THAT TREE'S NOT REMOVED. UM, SO YEAH, IT DOES SHOW UP ON SOME OF THE PLANS AS A RED X AND NOT OTHERS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S CLARIFIED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN WHILE WE HAVE OUR, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, IS THERE ANY, UH, COUNT OR PERCENTAGE, OR EVEN IF IT'S KIND OF YOUR FEEL OF IT, PERCENTAGE OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NATIVES WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY CALLED OUT, SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST CHECK. IT ISN'T, AND I HAVEN'T COUNTED EVERYTHING YET. 'CAUSE WE DID A FULL PLANTING PLAN. THERE'S OVER 10,000 SHRUBS ON MY PLANTING PLAN, BUT I CAN CONSTANTLY SAY THAT WE HAVE MAJORITY OF IT. SO OVER 50% WOULD BE CALIFORNIA NATIVE. WE DON'T HIT THAT COUNT. I CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT IT THROUGH A COUNT AND THEN GET OVER THAT COUNT IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. WE CAN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND PARTICULARLY WITH TREES. YEAH. UH, BUT I'LL SAVE COMMENTARIES ABOUT TREES AND, AND THAT PALLET UNTIL OUR COMMENT PERIOD, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. AND GO BACK TO THAT TREE 44. UM, I THINK IF YOU GO TO MY TREE DISPOSITION PLAN, THAT WILL BE THE PLAN THAT KIND OF CALLS OUT WHICH TREES TO BE PRESERVED AND WHICH TREES WOULD, WOULD BE REMOVED. SO I THINK 44 IT'S GONNA BE TO STAY, UM, JUST GO, GO OUT, LOOK AT MY PREDISPOSITION PLAN. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT TO LOOK AT. YEAH. PERFECT. YEAH, IT WAS IN THE ARBORIST REPORT AGAIN WHEN I SAW THAT ONE RED XI THOUGHT, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR GOING THROUGH THAT. AND THEN, UH, IS THERE AN INTERIM ACCESS PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC AMENITIES AND FEATURES, ESPECIALLY THE TRAIL DURING THE MULTI-YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE? ANYTHING CALLED OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC ACCESS IS KIND OF FACILITATED DURING THAT PERIOD? SO, UM, YEAH, CURRENTLY THE EX THE ONLY EXISTING TRAIL THERE ALONG THE RIVER IS AT THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS. THAT'S THE ADJACENT PROJECT. UM, AND IS THAT THE TRAIL THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH, AND IT, IT COULD BE THAT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING THE USE BEING INTERRUPTED, BUT I THOUGHT I'D JUST CHECK SOMETIMES WITH CONSTRUCTION GOING ON EXISTING PUBLIC AMENITIES OR IMPACTED. SO I JUST THOUGHT WE'D, WE'D SEE IF THAT'S THE CASE HERE. YEAH, CERTAINLY. NO, OUR, OUR INTENT IS TO LEAVE THAT TRAIL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, THE INTENT IS, IS TO KEEP GRAY LAWN OPEN AND THE ACCESS TO THAT, THAT TRAIL IS AT THE, AT THE END OF GRAY LAWN. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH MY TREE QUESTION, A SIMILAR QUESTION FOR PERMEABLE SURFACES. IF ANYONE HAD AN ESTIMATE OF PERMEABLE SURFACES OR IF THERE'S A DIAGRAM IN PARTICULAR YOU CAN CALL OUT THAT REALLY MAKES IT EXPLICIT THAT I SHOULD LOOK AT. UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A GAUGE ON, ON IMPERVIOUS VERSUS PERMEABLE SURFACE ON THE, THE HARDSCAPE THERE. WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY SHOWN ON OUR PLAN, BUT, UM, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. MAYBE THAT GET THE PERCENTAGE SURE. SQUARE FOOTAGE. THANK YOU. AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, GETTING INTO DISCUSSION. UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE LOT [01:15:01] LINE ADJUSTMENT, BUT I THINK EMMANUEL CLARIFIED THAT. SO THAT'S IT FOR ME UNTIL DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE? YEAH, MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION. I'D SAY RIGHT NOW. UM, WAS THERE ANY EFFORT MADE TO SORT OF SHRINK THE, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERIAL SURFACES, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S ON THE, ON THE SITE, THINGS LIKE THAT? YOUR, I MEAN, THE PLANNER SAID YOU OVER PARKED IT AND THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A TREE THERE. I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO SORT OF SHRINK THE, THE, THE TOTAL PROJECT FOOTPRINT, PULL IT BACK FROM THE WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT. NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. UM, DUE TO THE SENSITIVITY RIGHT OF THE RIVER CORRIDOR THERE, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A, A MULTI-YEAR ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT, UM, AS YOU SAW FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THE ZONING AND THE PROPERTY ALLOWED FOR OVER 300 UNITS. AND, UH, THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO JUST PULL THE PROJECT BACK AWAY FROM THE RIVER ITERATION BY ITERATION TO WHERE WE'RE NOW ABOUT 250 FEET FROM THE FLOODWAY. UM, WE'RE OVER 50 FEET FROM THE CURRENT FEMA FLOOD PLAIN. UM, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE REALLY PULLED THIS PROJECT BACK IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY, UH, WHILE ALSO TRYING TO MAINTAIN A HIGH QUALITY AMENITY DRIVEN PROJECT THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY. UM, FURTHER COMPRESSION OF THAT SITE IS, IS, IS WE FEEL IT'S GOING TO IMPACT IT IN A, IN A, IN A NEGATIVE WAY. WE FEEL THAT, THAT WE'VE MITIGATED, WE'VE CREATED A LARGE BUFFER ZONE THERE NOW. AND, UM, AND, AND SO THIS HAS BEEN AN ITERATIVE PROCESS AND WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND AND STAFF. AND I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE, LIKE WE'VE WORKED, UM, WELL IN, IN, IN CREATING A SITE PLAN NOW THAT, THAT, THAT MEETS THE KIND OF THE HOUSING GOALS FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. AND THERE IS A PROJECT THAT WE BELIEVE IS, IS GOING TO BE A REAL ASSET TO THE, TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY. GREAT. UM, SO SECOND QUESTION. UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, 14 TALKED ABOUT NEEDING TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO THE DESIGN AND LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, TO PRESERVE THAT SPECIFIC TREE. INTERESTING. ONE TREE. YEAH. UM, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU SEE? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OPPOR THOSE OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK I'M KEENLY INTERESTED IN THAT. IS THAT TREE NUMBER 200? YEAH, SO THERE WAS A POINT AT WHICH WE REALLY MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE THAT TREE. IT'S A MULTI TRUNK TREE. IT'S GOT A LARGE CANOPY AND IT'S ABNORMAL BECAUSE THE CANOPY LITERALLY, ALMOST COMES DOWN TO THE GROUND IN CERTAIN AREAS. SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY, UH, INVASIVE TREE TO THE SITE PLAN. UM, THE ARBORIST CLASSIFIED IT AS A TREE IN GOOD HEALTH. SO IT'S NOT STRESSED AT ALL. IT'S JUST ABNORMAL IN THE WAY THAT IT'S GROWN. UM, WE, AND I PRESENTED TO, UH, EMMANUEL, UH, AN ITERATIVE SITE PLAN WHERE WE WERE WORKING TO TRY TO SAVE THAT TREE. AND ULTIMATELY WHAT IT DID IS IT REALLY, UM, COMPRESSED OUR, OUR, OUR PARKING AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE. SO WE REALLY WERE, WERE REALLY CONSTRAINED ON, ON PROSPECTIVE VISITOR PARKING AT THE CLUBHOUSE. AND IT, IT JUST, IT REALLY IMPACTED THE SITE PLAN IN A WAY. UM, THE ARBORIST AND, AND, UM, MADE A COMMENT THAT SHE WAS OKAY WITH THAT TREE GOING BECAUSE SHE FELT THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, COMPROMISED DURING CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BUILT AROUND IT DUE TO THE SITE PLAN CONFIGURATION. SO, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT TIME TRYING TO SAVE THAT TREE AND, AND ULTIMATELY, UM, WE JUST BELIEVE THAT IT IMPACTS THE SITE PLAN TOO MUCH. AND, AND, AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE QUALITY OF THE EXPERIENCE THERE AT THE CLUBHOUSE. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANY VISUALS OR ANY SITE PLAN THAT YOU SAID YOU'VE WORKED ON? ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT WE CAN SEE DURING THE DISCUSSION, JUST SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT? ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL THAT EMAIL UP? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, UH, TRY TO FIND THE EMAIL HE SENT THE OTHER DAY WITH SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. YEAH, GREAT. I SENT, SENT SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND, AND THAT ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, THAT SITE PLAN GOES BACK MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. YEAH. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S, I'LL, I'LL [01:20:01] TABLE THE REST OF MY, MY THOUGHTS. THANKS. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER EBNER? UH, ONE LAST QUESTION ON CONDENSER UNIT LOCATIONS. UM, I NOTICED THERE WERE A FEW WITHIN FIVE OR SIX FEET OF THE SIDEWALK FACING, UM, GRAY LAWN. I'M WONDERING, UH, WHAT MEASURES I SEE THAT THEY'RE SCREENED OR PROPOSED TO BE SCREENED, BUT WHAT MEASURES THERE ARE TO POTENTIALLY RELOCATE OR IF WE HAVE ANY, UM, ZONING RESTRICTIONS AROUND CONDENSERS AND FRONT, FRONT, UM, RIGHT OF WAYS OR FRONT SETBACKS, THINKING MOSTLY ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC EXPERIENCE AND JUST THE NOISE AND PROXIMITY . SO YEAH, FOR THE AC CONDENSER UNITS, THAT'S THE QUESTION. YEAH. WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WOOD SCREEN FENCE ABOUT THREE FOOT TALL TO SCREEN ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, THE CONDENSER UNIT. SO YOU WON'T SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE. I HAVE A PICTURE HERE, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHARE IT ON THE, ON THE, OH, I CAN SHARE IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S, THE CENTER PHOTO SHOWS THEIR SCREENING AROUND, UH, THE AC UNITS. IT'S THREE AND A HALF FEET TALL. COMMISSIONER, WERE THESE THE, THE UNITS, BUT YOU'RE, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE, IN SOME AREAS THE SIDEWALK IS LIKE WITHIN FIVE OR SIX FEET OF IT? YEAH, WHEN I SCALED UP THE PLAN, UM, THE FRONT, ONE OF THE MAIN FRONT UNITS OFF THE, THE GRAY LAWN CIRCLE HAD THEM FIVE, SIX FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK. AND OKAY. I'M WONDERING ABOUT NOISE LEVELS AS WELL AS THE VISUAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A PRACTICAL REASON TO HAVE THEM ADJACENT TO THE UNITS, UM, BUT FEELS A LITTLE CLOSE RIGHT ALONG THROUGH THERE ON THAT, ON THAT FRONT TOUCH THERE. MM-HMM . SORRY. YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE, UH, BUILDING THAT FRONTS, UH, GRAY LAWN AVENUE. UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THIS EXHIBIT. SO THERE'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE TWO CONDENSER UNITS OVER NEAR THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING. THERE ARE TWO HERE ARRANGED, KIND OF PERPENDICULAR TO THE BUILDING, SAME WITH THIS LOCATION. AND THEN THERE'S ONE HERE. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? FEEL FREE IF YOU'D, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT. SURE. ENTRY 44 IS NOT REMOVED FROM THIS PLAN. UM, GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON THAT QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY. SORRY. . UM, MY NAME IS, I'M A HUMPHREY AND PARTNERS ARCHITECT. UM, I'M THE DESIGNER ON THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, SINCE THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HAS A CONCERN OF THAT, UM, SPECIFIC LOCATION, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE COULD DO, UM, WE COULD, WHEN WE DO, UH, NEXT PHASE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT, WE COULD CUSTOMIZE THE LOCATION WORK WITH, UM, MEP CONSULTANT, WE COULD MOVE THEM AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK, IF THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE CITY. WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH THE, UM, UH, THE CONSULTANTS. LET'S SAY WE COULD MOVE TO THE MORE SITE INSTEAD OF A FRONT, RIGHT? WE COULD DO THAT AND DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT. SO I WOULD SAY, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THE CONDITION, WHICH IS WE COULD, WE'RE TOTALLY FINE WITH IT, WE COULD MASSAGE THAT JUST THAT LOCATION, SINCE YOU HAVE A CONCERN, IT'S DOABLE TO, TO, UM, REVISE IT IF THAT'S THE SAFETY CONCERN. SO I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO, TWO POTENTIAL ISSUES HERE. ONE WOULD BE THE AESTHETIC, UH, RELATED TO THE, THE, THE, THE VIEWING, I GUESS BEING ABLE TO SEE IT. BUT THEN THE OTHER IS THE NOISE. SO, SO MAYBE WE WANT TO ADDRESS NOISE TOO. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO INCLUDING A CONDITION WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF MATERIAL ADDED TO, UM, SO TO BUFFER THE NOISE? OKAY. SO, UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, SO MOSTLY, UH, WHEN WE DESIGNED THIS, UM, THIS BUILDING, THE CONDENSER IS ACTUALLY TO THE CLOSEST THE UNITS THAT BEEN USING IT. UM, SO MOST OF THE TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEM NOT IN FRONT OF THE BEDROOM OR NOT IN FRONT OF YOUR LIVING ROOM, MAYBE OUTSIDE THE PATIO, SOME CORNER WHERE THE KITCHEN IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO TRY TO REDUCE THE, UM, UM, LET'S SAY IF OTHER UNIT HAS A CONDENSER ON, BUT SINCE IT'S AWAY FROM, UH, MOST LIVABLE AREA, [01:25:01] IT, IT COULD BE OKAY. AND WE ARE NOT PUTTING A LOT OF CONDENSER CONDENSER GROUP IN THERE. IT'S JUST COUPLE OF HERE, COUPLE OF THERE MAY, UM, USE FOR, UH, THE ADJACENT UNITS. SO TRY TO, UM, LET'S SAY REDUCE THE IMPACT ON OTHER, UH, UNITS. SO IT'S BASICALLY WHOEVER'S BEEN USING THAT, IT'S JUST THEIR CONDUCTOR. SURE. GREAT. THANKS. I WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF THE CHAIR'S PREFERENCE TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS AND, AND NOT ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. SO MAYBE WE CAN, UM, EMMANUEL CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND DURING DISCUSSION WE CAN FOLLOW UP FOR A POTENTIAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. GREAT, THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF CONDENSER UNITS THOSE ARE GONNA BE? ARE THEY HEAT PUMPS? ARE THEY STANDARD AIR CONDITIONER UNITS? UM, THE CONDENSER UNIT WILL BE, UH, DECIDED BY THE CONSULTANTS. UM, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO CALCULATE THE, THE UNIT SIZES AND, UH, THE PLACEMENT. UM, SO I CAN'T, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT FOR NOW. BUT, UM, ALL I CAN DO IS, UM, WHEN WE GO IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT, UM, I THINK ALL THE, UM, MEP CONSULTANT THAT WILL BE FOLLOWING THE RULE OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHATEVER CITY'S RULE OR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RULE TO, UM, DESIGN THAT, UM, AND PICK THE MANUFACTURER THAT COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. NO, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE RIVER PATHWAY. I, I SEE THAT IT DEAD ENDS ON THE NORTH END. UH, ONCE IT HITS THAT PRIVATE, THE, THAT ADDITIONAL PARCEL, DOES IT CONNECT TO ANY OTHER TRAIL NETWORK IN THE CITY? ON, ON THE OTHER END? THERE ARE INFORMAL EXISTING PATHWAYS IN THAT AREA. UM, ONCE YOU GET TO THE, UM, TO THE RAILROAD TRESTLE, UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO THE PATHWAY ALONG THE, UH, SMART RAIL LINE. UM, BUT YOU WOULD BE, IT, IT IT IS GOING ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A, A FORMAL TRAIL ON IT, COMMISSIONER WOULD DO EITHER END OF THE PATH OH, GOOD. IS IS A DEAD END. YES. SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON A FEASIBILITY STUDY WITH SMART, UM, TO, TO ANALYZE AND, AND IDENTIFY A, A CONNECTION TO THE SMART PATHWAY TO THE NORTH. I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF GOING UNDERNEATH THE TRACKS AND THEN COMING UP ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. SO ULTIMATELY WE, WE ARE ANALYZING AND ANTICIPATING SOME LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE. OKAY. UM, AND MY NEXT QUESTION, I WANNA JUST FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT TREE 200, UH, EMMANUEL, YOU JUST HAD A MAP OF THE SITE. COULD, COULD YOU SHOW WHERE TREE 200 IS? AND I KNOW IT'S NE NEAR THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE THE, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE JUST DISCUSSED HOW IT WOULD IMPACT VISITOR PARKING. COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE YES. TREE IS? SO THIS IS A PART OF THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE SITE, UM MM-HMM . SO GRAY LAWN AVENUE, THE CUL-DE-SAC. MM-HMM . THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE AND EXIT. OKAY. UH, THIS IS TREE 200 RIGHT HERE. AND WHERE'S THE CLUBHOUSE? THE CLUBHOUSE IS OVER HERE. I WAS NOT FOLLOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PROTECTING TREE 200 AND IMPACTS ON THE CLUBHOUSE. UM, RIGHT. SO, SO THE PARKING WOULD BE THOSE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE TREE. SO THESE TWO PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE LOST. AND THESE ARE CARPORT. PARKING IS A ROW OF CARPORT STALLS HERE. UM, AT LEAST ONE, MY GUESS IS TWO OF THESE SPOTS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE LOST. UM, OKAY. AND THEN, OH, I GUESS I SHOULD, UM, OH, YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T SEE MY CURSOR, CAN YOU? OH YEAH, YOU CAN. UM, AND THEN THIS CURB LINE HERE, THIS IS THE, THE CURB. SO THIS IS DRIVEWAY, KIND OF THE DRIVEWAY FORKS IN THIS LOCATION Y HERE, UM, THIS DRIVEWAY CURB HERE WOULD NEED TO BE RECONFIGURED. SO JUST 'CAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE BASE OF THE TREE MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR IT WOULD NEED TO COME OUT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT TREE. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK AN ARBORIST WOULD NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK INTO. UM, [01:30:01] AND THEN THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE GRADE IN THIS AREA, UH, WILL BE ABOUT TWO TO THREE FEET LOWER THAN THE EXISTING GRADE. SO THAT WOULD ENTAIL EITHER A SLOPE OR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A SLOPE IN A RETAINING WALL. MY GUESS IS JUST A RETAINING WALL. 'CAUSE IF YOU SLOPE DOWN FROM THE BASE OF THE TREE, YOU START DISRUPTING THE, THE ROOTS OF THE TREE. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT HELPED ME CONTEXTUALIZE. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER SCHICK, JUST A, A KIND OF A QUICK QUESTION. UM, WAS A PERMEABLE PARKING SURFACE EVER CONSIDERED FOR THIS? I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PAVEMENT THERE, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A CONSIDERATION THAT WAS EVER TALKED ABOUT? DISCUSSED? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN A, AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION. IT HASN'T BEEN, UM, A REQUIREMENT. IT CERTAINLY, UM, I THINK CURRENTLY OF COURSE WE, WE, WE SHEET FLOW TO OUR, UM, OUR, OUR BIOFILTRATION PLANTERS AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TYPICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH PERMEABLE ASPHALT IN PROJECTS. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IMPLIES IN THE WAY OF COSTS. I'M NOT SURE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE BE OPEN TO, TO LOOKING INTO IT IF THAT, IF WE FEEL THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, IS, IS IMPORTANT IN, IN, IN ALLOWING THE RECHARGE PERCOLATION. UM, BUT, UM, I, YEAH, I I WE HAVEN'T REALLY STUDIED PERMEABLE PAVEMENT. NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW THE SOIL TYPE THERE EITHER, WHETHER THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE OF BENEFIT OR NOT, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UM, DOES THE PROPOSED GRADING ON THE SITE, I'M ASSUMING THAT TAKES CARE OF THE PONDING THAT'S OCCURRED DURING HEAVY RAINS IN WINTER HERE. DOES THAT HELP WITH ANY TYPE OF, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD? DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE SENSE? SO, UM, THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS, WHICH IS ADJACENT, UM, WAS BUILT AT A TIME WHEN FLOOD MANAGEMENT WAS PUSHING MORE TOWARDS DETENTION BASINS. AND SO THE OAK CREEK APARTMENT HAS QUITE A LARGE QUANTITY OF BASINS ON SITE THAT ARE MANAGED BY A GATE VALVE. LITERALLY. UM, THE, THE, THERE IS A, A, A SEDIMENT TRAP THAT HAS ACTED, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SID THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT THAT WAS HAS, THAT IS ACTUALLY SERVED TO CATCH SEDIMENT, KEEPING SEDIMENT FROM FLOWING INTO THE RIVER. UM, SO IF YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO FLOOD MANAGEMENT, UM, YEAH, THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS HAS NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH FLOODING. UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE FLOOD, THE, THE IMPROVEMENT WALLS WERE DONE TO PROTECT THE PAY RAN NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY FLOODING IN THE PAYON NEIGHBORHOOD DOWNSTREAM. I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT AREA ALONG THE STREET. UM, YEAH, SO THE PAYON NEIGHBORHOOD IS ADJACENT TO US. THE, THE MOST ADJACENCY IS, UH, ARE, UM, A COLLECTION OF HOMES ON A KIND OF A BER AREA THAT'S ABOVE US ACTUALLY. AND I THINK THEY'RE WELL OUT OF THE FLOOD FLOOD AREA. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY FLOODING IN THE PRAN NEIGHBORHOOD OF ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SINCE THE FLOOD FIX WAS INSTALLED. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT? 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEAH, APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER ? YEAH, AND WITHOUT GOING INTO ALL THE DETAILS AT THIS MOMENT, UH, I HAD SENT SOME NOTES ABOUT THE HYDRO ZONE CALCULATIONS. UM, WERE THOSE RECEIVED? AND IF YOU CAN GIVE A QUICK [01:35:01] OVERVIEW. I THINK MAINLY IT WAS KIND OF THE GRASS AND TURF AREAS BEING REGARDED AS HIGH WATER USE. UH, IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE KEY THAT THE POOL AND SPA WERE NOT LABELED AS WATER FEATURES, WHICH I THINK WAS ACCURATE. AND THIS IS ON, UM, THE ATTACHMENT THREE I BELIEVE. UH, AND THIS IS THE HYDRO ZONE MAP? YEAH, MANUAL IF YOU CAN. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY HYDRO ZONE MAP THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, AND I HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT SHEET THAT IS. THIS IS EXHIBIT D PART TWO ON PAGE FIVE. YEAH. SO L 7.2 SHEET. YES, SIR. YEAH, SO WE DID A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS AND WE DETERMINED THAT PRELIMINARILY WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED WATER USE OF, UH, 1.4 MILLION AND THE TOTAL ALLOWED IS 2 MILLION. SO WE'RE WELL BELOW THAT MAXIMUM LIMIT. SO WE CAN FURTHER REFINE WHEN WE GET INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. UH, WE WILL DO A FURTHER REFINEMENT FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING SUBMITTAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET OR BE BELOW THAT MAXIMUM ALLOWED WATER. AND IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH BUFFER THERE. YES. EVEN IF SOME OF THESE AREAS GO HIGH, WE'RE STILL YES, WE, WE, WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO FIX IT BEFORE WE GET PAST THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE ANYWAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. TERRIFIC, THANK YOU. YEAH. ALRIGHT, I JUST HAVE A QUICK ONE, UM, GIVEN THAT WE GOT A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I EXPECT WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN, I WAS HOPING THAT STAFF OR THE APPLICANT COULD JUST LAY OUT FOR US THE PROCESS FOR REVIEWING AND SELECTING AND IMPLEMENTING TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES AS I KNOW IT'S OF INTEREST TO THE NEIGHBORS. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT QUESTION FOR OUR CITY ENGINEER. OH. UM, SO AS PART OF THE, UM, APPROVED EIR IT WAS LAID OUT FOR THE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING. AND WE HAVE A, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THERE THAT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, THERE WAS OUR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND OUR SAFE STREETS TEAM. AND I, UM, FOR THE, THE CONDITION THAT WAS DRAFTED UP, WE FOLLOWED, UM, WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING AROUND TOWN IS REQUIRING, UM, BULB OUTS TO BASICALLY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AT INTERSECTIONS AND INCREASE VISIBILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND, AND BICYCLISTS AND TO BASICALLY SLOW, SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. SO, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S, UM, CONCERNS, UM, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT LOSING PARKING, UM, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF, OF THAT, UM, CURRENT PRACTICE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. SO WE WILL FOLLOW THE, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN LAID OUT, UM, WORKING WITH THE, THE APPLICANT TEAM TO, UM, COME UP WITH SOME OTHER, UM, ALTERNATIVES AND THEN HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEN BRING IT BACK, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THEN THOSE WILL BE THEN UTILIZED IN OUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN SET, UM, THAT, UM, WILL BE CONSTRUCTED. SO, UM, IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED AND, UM, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN, UM, THAT'S BEEN LAID OUT FOR US TO, UM, ADDRESS THE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING ELEMENT OF THE, THE PROJECT. SURE. I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THAT MR. CARUTHERS. SO WE, WE DO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL TRAFFIC COMBING PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. YES. HOWEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A STARTING POINT. CORRECT. SO YOU AND YOUR TEAM WORKING, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE APPLICANT, WE'LL FURTHER REFINE THAT WOULD CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES AND SO FORTH UNTIL YOU ARRIVE AT A FINAL PLAN. CORRECT. GREAT. AND THEN COULD YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT HOW WARRANTS FACTOR INTO THAT AS IT RELATES TO, UM, STOP SIGNS AND THEN ALSO I THINK WE'VE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT FIRE ACCESS. UM, WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC AND CALMING MEASURES. UM, WARRANT STUDIES TYPICALLY, UM, ADDRESS THE SPECIFICALLY STOP SIGNS AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOOKED AT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF, YOU KNOW, HOW STOP SIGNS COULD BE UTILIZED. AND WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY UTILIZING STOP SIGNS AS MUCH AS SLOW TRAFFIC. UM, AND THERE THERE'S WARRANT STUDIES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE DONE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING THE STOP SIGNS AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION AND, AND HOW THAT, THAT STOPPED INTERSECTION COULD WORK. SO WE'RE REALLY LIMITED BY LAW THAT WE JUST CAN'T START THROWING UP STOP SIGNS EVERYWHERE BASICALLY. UM, SO WE'LL DISCUSS THAT MORE, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND ALL THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT COME UP, UM, COME, COME THROUGH. BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE STARTING TO DO IN THE CITY IS, UM, SPEED BUMPS AS STRATEGIC LOCATIONS, BUT THAT REQUIRES, UM, US TO COORDINATE WITH OUR, UM, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT [01:40:01] IN, IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SET APPROPRIATELY MM-HMM . AND, UM, WHAT IMPACTS THERE, THERE WOULD BE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UM, IN AREAS SO THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN SORT OF PILOT TESTED RIGHT NOW. BUT THOSE WILL BE PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, UM, OPTIONS THAT, THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND FURTHER REFINE THIS TRAFFIC CALMING ELEMENT. OOPS. AND CHAIR, WE HAVE INTERIM FIRE MARSHAL AMY EE UH, WITH US THIS EVENING. IF YOU'D LIKE HER TO TALK ABOUT HOW SHE INTERFACES WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND, AND WITH MR. CARUTHERS TEAM TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS. UM, AS PART OF THAT TRAFFIC CALMING DESIGN, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME COMMENTARY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF YOU'RE WILLING. GOOD EVENING. UH, YES, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE PROJECT, UH, APPLICANTS THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS. SO THROUGHOUT THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, WE ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE, UH, REQUIRED ROAD WIDTHS AS WELL AS TURNS, TURNAROUNDS, DISTANCES, ET CETERA, ALL ALIGN WITH THE ENGINEERING THAT IS SCOPED OUT FOR OUR SPECIFIC FIRE APPARATUS WITHIN THE CITY. AND THAT GETS DESIGNED TO THE LARGEST APPARATUS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR RESPONSE TO THAT SITE. WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE CITY TEAMS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS IS MAINTAINED, UM, IN A PROPER FASHION AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER TIE-INS TO THE ROADWAYS, INCLUDING FIRE HYDRANTS AND WHATNOT. GREAT. AND JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL OF CURB EXTENSIONS IS NOT THE FINAL ANSWER, THAT WILL BE A PROCESS BY WHICH FOLKS ARE GIVING THEIR INPUT AND THERE MIGHT BE FURTHER ITERATIONS ON THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, BUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, IN FRONT OF US IS THE CURB EXTENSIONS. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS GIVEN THEIR SEAL OF APPROVAL ON THAT, UM, LAYOUT? I ACTUALLY CAN'T CONFIRM THAT AT THE MOMENT. IT IS PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY USE THE CITY, THE CITY OF PETALUMA APPARATUS SPECIFICATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO PROVE THAT THOSE ARE NAVIGABLE TO OUR FIRE APPARATUS. SO AT THIS MOMENT I CAN'T CONFIRM, BUT IT IS WOULD BE A CONDITION OF THE PROJECT. GOT IT. SO THE CURB EXTENSIONS WON'T BE ENACTED UNLESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OKAY WITH THEM? THAT IS CORRECT. GREAT. , UH, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONER NEWELL? YEAH. FOR THE CITY ENGINEER. UM, YOU WERE DESCRIBING THE PROCESS OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN. UH, IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE PROJECT PROPONENT, UH, AND THEN YOU USE THE PHRASE AND COME BACK FOR APPROVAL. I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE TRAFFIC COMMENT PLAN WOULD HAPPEN AT THE STAFF LEVEL. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE CASE AND YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. PERHAPS HE'S NOT USED TO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY , THAT'S WHY HE REFERENCED COMING BACK. ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH EVERYONE FOR THOSE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. WE WILL HEAD ON INTO PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'M GOING TO SHARE A QUICK SLIDE TO THAT EFFECT. UM, AS WE HEAD INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, NOW'S A GREAT TIME TO GET YOUR SPEAKER CARD IN. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. AND IF, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE GET YOUR SPEAKER CARD OVER TO THE CLERK. WE DO ASK THAT YOU BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT TIME LIMIT AND MAINTAINED A QUORUM. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING, STOMPING, LAPPING, ET CETERA. UM, IF YOU ARE SEATING YOUR TIME, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE TO PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT BEFORE, UH, THE SPEAKER TO WHOM YOU ARE SEATING BEGINS. IT, IT DOESN'T FLY TO HAVE SOMEONE'S TIME RUN OUT AND THEN YOU SAY, OH, THEY CAN HAVE MY TIME. IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED AT THE TOP OR ON THE SPEAKER CARD. UM, AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR FOLKS WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS, IT CAN BE A FRUSTRATING ONE WAY STREET. WE OBVIOUSLY JUST GOT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW PUBLIC COMMENT WORKS. YOU ARE PROVIDING US COMMENT. UM, SO MY, UH, HOPE IS THAT MYSELF AND VICE CHAIR NEWELL AND ANY OTHER FOLKS UP HERE WILL COLLECT ANY OF YOUR, UM, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ASK THOSE DIRECTLY, UH, FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY IT, IT WON'T BE A DIALOGUE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. BUT I DO WANT TO GET ANSWERS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO. SO WITH THAT, I DO HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS, BUT I EXPECT THERE ARE MONTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND I WILL ASK THE CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. YES, [01:45:01] WE RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER 20 PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKIE DOKE. AND WITH THAT, I HAVE FOUR COMMENT CARDS, SO WE'LL BE DOING THREE MINUTES A PIECE. FIRST UP IS HAROLD MATSON, FOLLOWED BY STACY NAVARRO. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION AND STAFF. I'M HAROLD MATSON. I LIVE IN THE BERNICE COURT AREA. UH, I HOPE YOU ALL GOT MY EMAIL OF FRIDAY. UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MAILER DEMONS THAT CAME BACK TO ME SO SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET 'EM. UH, QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, THE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT FACILITY THAT'S LISTED HERE, IS THAT A SEWER PROCESSING PLANT OR IS IT THE, THE BIO FILTER, UH, PONDS THAT, UH, IS SHOWN? UH, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE. WHAT, WHAT QUALITY WATER QUALITY TREATMENT IS NECESSARY THERE? SECONDLY, UH, THE SIX PROTECTED TREES, WHAT AGENCY PROTECTED THOSE TREES? AND IS THIS THE SAME AGENCY THAT IS, UH, QUALIFIED TO ALLOW THEM TO BE CUT DOWN OR WHAT AGENCY IS PERMITTING THEM TO BE CUT DOWN? UM, THE PROPERTY LINE ADJUSTMENT, I'M, UH, DOES THAT REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ERI? IF IT'S, IF IT'S A DIFFERENT SIZE PROPERTY? NOW, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. I HAVE, UM, 18 BERNICE COURT, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND, UH, THE AREA SINCE THE LATE FIFTIES WHEN, UH, LINDA DELMAR WAS DEVELOPED THAT LOT. NEVER HAD A NUMBER. IT WAS SHASTA AVENUE BECAUSE IT WAS OR ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO EXTEND SHASTA AVENUE. UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S CITY PROPERTY AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS FOR THE, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE, UH, ACCESS IS GONNA BE AND WILL BE ON CITY PROPERTY. UM, THAT'S THE, THE, THE, I DID SOME REAL QUICK CALCULATIONS. AND AS FAR AS THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, AREAS ON THAT 18, UH, PLUS ACRES OF LAND, SOME 500 TO 750,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND WILL BE COVERED WITH HOMES, CURBS, GUTTERS, SIDEWALKS AND STREETS. THAT'S LAND THAT NORMALLY WOULD ABSORB RAIN, RAINFALL, AND MOISTURE. UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. AND AS FAR AS IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, UH, KVI MOUND, WHICH WAS MENTIONED, THAT'S THE MOUND UP ON TOP, UH, IS MUCH HIGHER THAN BERNICE COURT, WHICH IS DOWN HERE. AND ANY RUNOFF COULD COME RIGHT DOWN INTO BERNICE COURT BECAUSE IT IS THE LOWEST POINT BELOW YOUR DEVELOPMENT. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, COVERS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD, MOST OF WHICH WERE, UH, STATED ON MY EMAIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE STACY NAVARRO, FOLLOWED BY KATE GREENSPAN. HI, I'M STACY AND I LIVE IN THE HI. I AM STACY NAVARRO AND I LIVE IN THE HOUSE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE SID COMMONS SITE. UM, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THERE AREN'T AS MANY PEOPLE HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS LAST TIME SID COMMONS WAS BEFORE THE CITY. OUR LOWER ATTENDANCE IS NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE, IT'S BECAUSE OUR CONCERNS WERE DISREGARDED. SO WE ARE BEAT DOWN AND WE ARE LET DOWN. IT SEEMS THERE'S LITTLE WE CAN DO, BUT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN SHAPING THIS PROJECT AS IT DEVELOPS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, TRAFFIC NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS CAME TOGETHER LAST WEEK TO DISCUSS TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND APARTMENTS USING GREY LAWN BY 157%. MORE UNITS ARE GOING IN THAN CURRENTLY EXIST. WE UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT BOUTS ARE NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION. THEY WON'T SLOW DRIVERS DOWN, BUT THEY WILL TAKE AWAY VALUABLE AND LIMITED STREET PARKING AND THEY WILL ELIMINATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. THE AREA OF GRAY LAWN AND JEST WAS FILLED WITH FIRETRUCKS AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS DURING A FIRE AT THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IT WOULD'VE BEEN NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO EVACUATE HAD THEY NEEDED TO, EVEN WITH THE BO EVEN WITHOUT THE BULB OUTS. AND PLEASE NOTE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD IN THE SID COMMONS PLAN ALSO ULTIMATELY FEEDS TWO GREY LONG. INSTEAD, WE INCLUDING A FIREFIGHTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PROPOSE SPEED HUMPS TO SLOW CARS DOWN. WE KNOW THOSE WORK AND WOULD BE MORE COST EFFICIENT. ADDITIONALLY, CROSSWALKS AT THE INTERSECTION OF GRAY LAND AND PAY AND GRAY LAWN AND JESS TO REMIND DRIVERS THAT PEDESTRIANS FREQUENT THESE SIDEWALKS. KIDS [01:50:01] ALSO PLAY BA BASKETBALL, RIDE BIKES AND PLAY CATCH IN THE STREETS. ITEM NUMBER TWO, FLOODING. AS THE PLANS SHOW, SID COMMONS WILL BLANKET THAT RIVERSIDE FIELD WITH CEMENT MUCH FOR PARKING. COVERING THE FIELD WITH PARKING LOTS IS UNIMAGINATIVE AND FOOLISH. INSTEAD, BUILD SMART, MOVE MORE PARKING IN AND UNDER THE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD LEAVE MORE GREEN SPACE TO HELP WITH WATER MANAGEMENT AND CLIMATE CHANGE. IT WOULD ALSO CREATE MORE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THEY DON'T BLEED ONTO GRAY LAWN. SINCE LESS THAN TWO SPOTS PER UNIT IS UNREALISTIC AND IT WOULD MAKE THE SITE MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SID COMMONS. ITEM THREE, HERITAGE TREES. PLEASE WORK HARDER TO SAVE TREE NUMBER 200. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ESTABLISHED TREE. AND IF THAT PARKING WOULD GET MOVED TO THE BUILDINGS THAT GRADING, THERE SHOULD BE UNNECESSARY AND THAT TREE COULD IN FACT BE SAVED. ITEM FOUR, COMMUNITY SAFETY. PLEASE REVIEW THE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR FIRE SAFETY. THE OAK CREEK APARTMENT FIRE WAS TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT. I'D ALSO LOVE TO ADVOCATE FOR A FOOTBRIDGE CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO NAB NEIGHBORING TO TRAILS, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, INCLUDE, INCLUDE AN ACCESS POINT ON THE WEST SIDE WITH PUBLIC ACCESS TO THESE TRAILS. THIS WOULD HELP CREATE MORE OF A SENSE OF COMMUNITY BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE HOUSES, AND WOULD ALSO SERVE AS A PEDESTRIAN EXIT ROUTE IF NEEDED. I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR HOW THE GRADING WILL AFFECT THE RESIDENTS LIVING ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND EXISTING FENCING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. KATE GREENSPAN, FOLLOWED BY JUDITH LWT. YEP, LWT FW. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. UM, I AM HERE AS A RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANTED TO SPEAK ON, UM, MY CONCERNS AND EXPERIENCE AS A PEDESTRIAN, A BIKE RIDER, AND A MOTHER TO A SMALL CHILD. UM, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE CHILDREN AND AS WAS JUST STATED, WE DON'T FEEL SAFE ALREADY CURRENTLY AS, UM, IT IS THE NUMBER OF NEW CARS THIS PROJECT WILL BRING WILL HAVE SERIOUS IMPACT ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ON PAY RAN IN BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND THE BOULEVARD ON A SCHOOL DAY MORNING. IT IS BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC ALREADY. UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I RIDE MY BIKE, BUT IN THAT CORRIDOR I DO NOT FEEL SAFE RIDING MY BIKE. IT IS NARROW. I'M SPEAKING OF PERRAN CARS FLY DOWN GRAY LAWN AND I MEAN, JUST THE OTHER DAY I WAS DOORED BY A CAR ON, UH, PAY RAN BECAUSE IT IS SO NARROW, THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO. I LOVE SEEING THE INCLUSION OF, UM, PERMANENT BIKE PARKING WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT IF WE WANNA ENCOURAGE BIKE RIDERS, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, INVITING FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS. THE, UM, THERE ARE MANY BLIND, UH, SPOTS WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING THE STREETS ON GREY LAWN. AND, UM, THERE IS NO CROSSWALK CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON EITHER SIDE OF GREY LAWN OR PAY RAN. UM, IT'S THERE, THERE'S ONE STOP SIGN THAT IS NOTORIOUS FOR ISSUES. I CAN'T EVEN COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE SEEN CARS JUST COMPLETELY RUN IT. IT'S A VERY POORLY DESIGNED INTERSECTION AS IT IS. I FEEL SAFER WALKING AND BIKING ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD THAN I DO IN THAT SPECIFIC CORRIDOR WHERE THIS PROJECT IS BEING PROPOSED. THE TRAFFIC CALMING THAT HAS WAS PROPOSED ON COA ONE 14 I DO NOT THINK IS ENOUGH, AND NEITHER DO THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE. MORE MITIGATION SHOULD BE REQUIRED ON GRAY LAWN. AND I THINK THE CITY, I KNOW THAT IT'S OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE CITY SHOULD BE DOING MORE FOR THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. UM, I WOULD INVITE THE SAFE STREETS TEAM AND THE CITY ENGINEER TO COME ON A WEEKDAY MORNING DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND JUST CHECK IT OUT AND SEE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET TO SCHOOL, GET TO WORK, USING A BIKE WALKING ALREADY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS JUDITH. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M JUDY ALT AND UM, MY FAMILY AND I OWN THREE HOUSES ON JESS AVENUE, 2021 AND 24. WE BOUGHT THEM IN THE EARLY SIXTIES. SO WE'VE BEEN ORIGINAL OWNERS FOREVER. WE WERE THERE DURING THE [01:55:01] FLOOD OF 82. WE HAD FOUR AND A HALF FEET OF WATER IN OUR HOMES AND THEY WERE JUST DEVASTATED. I MEAN, THE HOUSES WERE JUST RUINED. THE MATERIALS INSIDE WERE RUINED. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. FORTUNATELY AT THAT TIME WE HAD FLOOD INSURANCE. WE DO NOT HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE. NOW I'M ALSO CONCERNED IN ADDITION TO THE FLOODING OF THE AREA, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC EVEN ON JESS AVENUE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF PEOPLE LEAVE THE DUKE COMPLEX, THEY MAY NOT GO DOWN PAY RAN, THEY MAY GO DOWN JESS AVENUE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO INTO TOWN. SO I'M HOPING WHEN THEY DO SOME CALMING, THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON JESS AVENUE TOO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A BIG CIRCLE, JESS AVENUE TO PAY, YOU KNOW, JUST AVENUE PAY RAN AND THE GRAY LAWN TO PAY RAN. SO I'M HOPING THEY'LL CONSIDER OUR, THE, THE PEOPLE ON JESS AVENUE TOO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO GET THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THIS COMPLEX. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMPLEX GETTING BUILT. I'M, I'M ASSUMING THE GENTLEMAN THAT THE FAMILY THAT OWNS IT HAS A RIGHT TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I JUST HOPE THEY CONSIDER THE FLOODING AND THE TRAFFIC FOR THE REST OF US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I AM OUTTA SPEAKER CARDS, SO WE WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE COMMISSION HERE. UM, AND I DID HAVE SOME NOTES TO KICK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP. UM, IF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE ARE READY FOR SOME OF THOSE, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST QUESTIONS WAS REGARDING THE NOTED WATER QUALITY TREATMENT. COULD YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR AS TO WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THAT'LL BE DOING, PLEASE? YEAH, THE, THE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO STORM WATER TREATMENT. IT'S NOT SEWER TREATMENT. BASICALLY IT'S TAKING WATER THAT RUNS OFF FROM THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS, THE PAVEMENT ROOF AND SO ON. AND THEN FLOWS THROUGH THESE BIO RETENTION AREAS AND, AND THEN THAT WATER FLOWING THROUGH THAT, THAT SOIL, THAT VEGETATION AND SOIL MEDIUM WILL TREAT IT BEFORE IT BASICALLY DISCHARGES OR FLOWS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. GREAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION THAT IT'S IN REGARDS TO STORM WATER, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE TREE PROTECTION SORT OF AGENCY AT PLAY HERE. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES. SO THE, UH, PROTECTED TREES ARE PROTECTED BY THE, UH, CITY OF PETALUMA'S, UH, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED WHICH TREES ARE PROTECTED, UH, IN ESTABLISHED A PROCESS TO ALLOW REMOVAL OF PROTECTED TREES. UM, AND THAT IS EITHER CONSIDERED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UH, OR WHEN A PROJECT COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT'S BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING, UH, TO WHAT EXTENT, IF AT ALL, A LOT LINE CHANGE AS WE'RE ENTERTAINING TONIGHT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE EIR? YES. SO GO FOR IT, EMANUEL, IF YOU'RE SO I'M SORRY. . THE, UH, THE EIR ANTICIPATED, UH, EITHER A, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, ACTUALLY WHEN THE APPLICANT FIRST SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION AND CONTAINED A, A SUBDIVISION OF THE PARCEL OR A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. SO THIS WAS ANTICIPATED AND CONSIDERED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. THANK YOU. UM, WE HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC. SO, UH, AND THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, WHICH I'M GONNA SORT OF ROLL TOGETHER HERE, BUT COULD YOU JUST SPEAK AGAIN TO THAT, UM, DISCUSSION IS GOING TO INCORPORATE BIKE FACILITIES. WE'LL BE ADDRESSING WHAT GOES ON ON JESS. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SPEED BUMPS AND CROSSWALKS ARE ALL SORT OF STILL IN THE MIX TO GET, UH, A TRAFFIC COMING SOLUTION. CORRECT. SO THE APPLICANT, UH, HAD THROWN OUT A CONCEPT WHICH IS THE, UM, CURB EXTENSIONS. UM, THAT'S ONE OF A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO, UH, HELP, UH, REDUCE SPEEDS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE LOCAL STREETS. THROUGH, UH, RECOMMEND CONDIT, UH, OF APPROVAL IS THAT BEFORE A ULTIMATE DESIGN IS, UH, APPROVED, THAT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT BE RECEIVED, UH, THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, UH, BE PRESENT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, GET THEIR INPUT, HEAR THEIR PREFERENCES, UH, HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. AND THEN BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED AT THAT MEETING, AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, A FINAL TRAFFIC CALMING DESIGN WOULD BE PREPARED AND THEN REVIEWED AND ULTIMATELY, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. OKAY. COULD YOU OR ANDREW PULL UP OUR CURRENT LANGUAGE ON ONE 14? JUST 'CAUSE I KNOW IT [02:00:01] HAD SOME REVISIONS, I THINK IT WAS IN ONE OF YOUR FINAL SLIDES. YES. UM, THERE WE GO. OOPS. NO, YOU WERE THERE. YEP. OKAY. SO THAT, IF WE COULD THANK YOU. UH, SO CONDITION ONE 14, WE, WE RECOMMENDED A SMALL CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE OF IT, BUT IT, UH, IT WOULD READ PRIOR TO PREPARATION OF THE FINAL TRAFFIC CALMING THE DESIGN. THE CITY ENGINEER SHALL CONSIDER PLANNING COMMISSION AND PUBLIC INPUT RECEIVED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY PUBLIC WORK STAFF WILL HOST A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH TO RESIDENTS AND TO OBTAIN PUBLIC INPUT TO INFORM THE CITY ENGINEER AND SAFE STREETS TEAM ON THE FINAL TRAFFIC CALMING DESIGN. OKAY, GREAT. AND IT, THE SAFE STREETS TEAM WILL CERTAINLY BE, HAVE AN EYE TOWARDS BIKE FACILITIES AND SCHOOL FLOW. SURE, YES. GREAT. OKAY. UM, ROLLING TOGETHER A FEW COMMENTS HERE, UM, THAT INCORPORATED SOME TREE 200 COMMENTARY AS WELL AS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. I KNOW WE SAW IT IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT THE NOTION OF POTENTIALLY SHIFTING PARKING BENEATH, UH, THE, THE HOMES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GET A CONTEXTUAL ANSWER ON WHY THAT IS NOT, OR IF THAT IS A FORESEEABLE CHANGE AND BEFORE MR. JOHNSON GETS UP THERE, I CAN SAY THE HOUSE ACCOUNTABILITY ACT IT IS ON, BUT NOT TOO CLOSE. YEAH, IT REALLY PRECLUDES THE CITY FROM CONDITIONING, UH, ANY CONDITIONS THAT WILL EITHER REDUCE THE DENSITY OR MAKE THE PROJECT INFEASIBLE OR ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF GOING SUBTERRANEAN PARKING, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY IN THE MIX I WOULD IMAGINE HERE. YEAH, NO. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, CONCEALED TUCK UNDER PARKING AS A DESIGN ELEMENT OF THE, UH, OF THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT. 118 CARS WILL BE IN GARAGES IN THIS PROJECT. UM, OUR ARCHITECT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS. SO THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT, UM, AESTHETICALLY AND THE WAY IT FUNCTIONS, UH, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, A HOME ENVIRONMENT THAN NORMAL APARTMENT LIVING PROVIDES. AND SO AGAIN, TO THAT POINT, 118 CARS WILL BE IN GARAGES FOR THIS PROJECT. DOES THAT, DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION PROPERLY? UH, YES. I THINK THERE HAD BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL ENERGY AROUND FURTHER, UH, TUCK UNDER PARKING. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'VE, YOU'VE BUILT QUITE A LOT INTO THE PLAN ALREADY AND ARE NOT OPEN. YEAH. STRUCTURED, STRUCTURED PARKING WHERE YOU'RE CREATING A, A SUBTERRANEAN PODIUM PARKING STRUCTURE, UM, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE IN THIS RENT CATEGORY HERE IN PETALUMA. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO PULL OUT THAT I MISSED? YEAH, THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION THAT I HEARD, UM, FROM MS. NAVARRO. SHE WAS ASKING HOW WILL GRADING AFFECT EXISTING HOUSING TYPICALLY SUPPORT, YEAH. BERNICE COURT IMPACTS FROM GRADING. THANK YOU. WELL, IT, I GUESS THE EXISTING HOUSING, THIS WOULD BE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING HOUSING, UM, ALONG, I GUESS ON GRAY LAWN AND BERNICE COURT. I THINK THAT'S THE AREA THAT SHE MAY BE REFERRING TO. OR IS THERE OTHER AREAS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD WISE? I GUESS MAYBE A CLARIFICATION, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. ANYONE WANTS A FENCE AGAINST THAT FOLLOW? YEAH, SO, SO IT IS THE ADJACENT AREA, UM, SORT OF ON THE, UH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE, UM, THAT, THAT WHOLE SITE ACTUALLY, AS I THINK MARK HAD INDICATED EARLIER, AND EVEN AS EMMANUEL INDICATED IN HIS, UM, IN HIS PRESENTATION, IT DOES KIND OF SLOPE AWAY FROM THAT FENCE LINE. THERE IS A PORTION OF IT THAT [02:05:01] DOES SORT OF HEAD DOWN TOWARDS BERNIE'S COURT, BUT THOSE AREAS, ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY DRAINAGE THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW THAT COULD EITHER BE INTERCEPTED OR IS NOT, IS NOT NECESSARILY FLOWING IN THAT DIRECTION. IF THEY, IF THEY'VE GOT SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH IT NOW, THEN WE CAN REVIEW THAT WITH THEM. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THOSE CONDITIONS THAT EXIST TODAY AREN'T REALLY GONNA BE CHANGED AT ALL. AT LEAST HOW, YOU KNOW, THE PATH, THE PATH OF, OR AT LEAST THE PATH OR THE FLOW DIRECTION. SO, UM, EVERYTHING DOES KIND OF RIGHT NOW EITHER MOVES AWAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S WATER THAT'S NECESSARILY FLOWING INTO THOSE AREAS. OKAY. WITH THAT, OH, DID FOLLOWING FROM THE FOLLOWING FROM THE PUBLIC, JUST, UH, TWO THINGS ABOUT FIRE SAFETY. UM, I, I HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIRE SAFE BUILDING MATERIALS AND FIRE EGRESS. YOU KNOW, I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, WE DEFER CERTAIN THINGS TO LATER PROCESSES OR EXPERTS WITHIN THE CITY. UH, FIRE RATED BUILDING MATERIALS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TO BUILDING AND FIRE EGRESS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TO RELY ON OUR FIRE SMART MARSHALS EXPERTISE. BUT CAN STAFF JUST FLESH THAT OUT AND KIND OF BUTTON THAT UP ON, ON HOW WE HANDLE THOSE ISSUES RELATED TO FIRE AS A DECISION MAKING BODY? UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, INTERIM FIRE MARSHAL AMY EE TO RESPOND TO THAT. SHE'S GOT A FIRM GRASP OF FIRE CODES AND, AND, UM, THEY'RE QUITE EFFECTIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. UM, SO IN A, IN THE PLANNING STAGE, THE FIRE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ARE FAIRLY LIMITED AND MORE BROAD AS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT WILL BE EXPECTED TO MEET FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS AS RELATED TO ACCESS EGRESS, ET CETERA. WHEN THE PROJECT GOES INTO THE BUILDING, UH, PERMIT STAGE IS WHEN WE REALLY DIVE IN DEEP IN GIVING VERY SPECIFIC COMMENTS RELATED TO FIRE ACCESS AS WELL AS ALL FIRE PROTECTION FEATURES INCLUDING BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT FALLS UNDER THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE. WE WORK, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT TEAM TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS ENGINEERING SHOWING HOW ALL OF OUR FIRE APPARATUS SPECIFIC TO THE CITY AS WELL AS OUR MUTUAL AID AGENCIES WILL NAVIGATE, UM, ANY OF THE ROADWAYS TURNS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT THAT THEY CAN ACCESS WITHIN OUR HOSE PULL DISTANCES, EVERY SINGLE, UM, PORTION OF EVERY BUILDING THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE RIGHT ACCESS AND WIDTH TO USE OUR FIRE TRUCK WITH THE AERIAL LADDER TO PERFORM, UM, ROOF ACCESS OR, UM, GET FOLKS OUT OF THE BUILDING AT ANY PORTION OF THE BUILDING IF NEED BE. SO IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE THE REVIEW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RICKSON FOR PULLING THAT ONE OUT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE, OH, GO AHEAD CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE TO THE COMMENTS ONE RELATED TO JUST AVENUE AND CONSIDERING TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG OR THROUGHOUT JUST AVENUE, NOT JUST ALONG GRAY LAWN. I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, VERY APT, ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC COULD DEVIATE FROM GRAY LAWN AND, AND, UH, FIND AN ALTERNATE ROUTE ALONG JESS. SO I'M SURE WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER IS, UH, THE LARGER SORT OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ISSUE, A LONG PAY RAN THAT IS, IS PART OF THE, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THIS SITE, BUT CERTAINLY EXISTS OUTSIDE OF, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. SO, UH, JUST TO, TO REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT STAFF WILL BE TAKING THOSE TWO FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE CLOCK HERE, HOW DO WE FEEL? DO WE NEED A RECESS? ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE INTO DISCUSSION? EVERYBODY FEELING OKAY? OKAY, THEN LET'S MOVE INTO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUICK SLIDE. HERE WE GO. UH, THIS IS WHERE WE WILL HAVE OUR DELIBERATIVE DISCUSSION, UM, AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY ALONG WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. UM, GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMENTS AND BRAINSTORMING SO THAT WE CAN HONE IN ON OUR PRIORITIES, UM, AND THOSE POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, AS WE'VE EMPLOYED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS. SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE. UM, I, I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF STRAW POLLS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ARE SORT OF DISCUSSING SOMETHING, IS IT ON THE LEVEL OF, OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, DOES IT HAVE SUPPORT OF ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS TO SORT OF WARRANT BEING ADDED TO THAT LIST? AND THEN AS WE GET OURSELVES INTO A CONSENSUS, WE'LL MOVE INTO THAT FINAL FEEDBACK, AMENDMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO THE DISCUSSION, UM, WILL BE OPEN AND THEN WE'LL SORT OF WINNOW OUR WAY DOWN. SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ZEN, I'LL KICK US OFF. UH, SO TO BREAK IT UP HERE, I'M GONNA START WITH BUILDING DESIGN. AND A COUPLE OF THESE ARE JUST OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS FOR THE DESIGN TEAM, JUST TO WALK US THROUGH SOME THOUGHT PROCESSES. [02:10:01] UH, AND I THINK THE NUMBER ONE THAT I HAD WAS, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE, UH, SELECTED COLOR PALETTE FOR THE SITE, UH, AND THE DECISION MAKING AROUND COLOR PALETTE? UM, SORRY I COULDN'T BRING UP MY SLIDES, BUT I ACTUALLY HAD A, UM, COLOR ELEVATION AND THE SUMMER, UH, VIDEOS. UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SO, UM, SINCE WE'RE PROPOSING UH, SORT OF MODERN FARMHOUSE STYLE WHICH TRY TO FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SO FOR THAT CHARACTER WE NORMALLY USE, UM, SORT OF A, UM, NATURAL COLOR PALETTE WITH SOME ACCENTS. SO LET'S SAY OFF WHITE, UH, LIKE BOREDOM BUTTON, UH, MATERIAL OR SOME UH, LIGHT GRAY SIDING, UH, WITH SOME CHARCOAL ACCENT COLOR AND SOME WOOD, UM, UH, LOOK, UH, MATERIAL THAT HAS, UH, ON THE PATIO BEAM, IT HAS, UM, POSTS AND SOME, UM, BALCONY TO ACCENT THAT. UM, SO TRY TO FIT IN THE MODERN FARMHOUSE STYLE, MAKE IT SORT OF A SIMPLE BUT ALSO HAS A LITTLE BIT SOPHISTICATED FEELINGS IN THERE AND TRY TO BLEND THE TRADITIONAL AND, UH, CONTEMPORARY FEELING TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO PROPOSE IT SORT OF MODERN FARMHOUSE. YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU CAN SEE, YEAH, IF WE HAVE ANY VISUALS, THAT'S EXCELLENT. UM, BUT IS THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR AS MORE CONCERN? THAT DOES ANSWER MY QUESTION. AND AS A DISCUSSION POINT, I WONDER JUST BECAUSE COLOR PALETTE, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS I SEE DIFFERENTIATED ROOF LINES, I SEE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE FRONTAGES. GOOD. IT LOOKS LIKE WINDOW COVERAGE COLOR IS ONE AREA THAT YOU CAN GET, UH, ANOTHER LEVEL OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF, AND I'LL SEE IF THIS GETS PICKED UP BY ANYONE ELSE, EARTH TONES, ANY OTHER ACCENT COLORS THAT COULD BE ADDED THAT WOULD KEEP THE PALETTE IN KIND OF THE NATURAL REALM, BUT NOT JUST, UM, NOT, I GUESS NOT BE TOO MUTED, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA GO OVERBOARD EITHER. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP COLOR AS A POTENTIAL AREA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ESPECIALLY ON THINGS LIKE DOORS. UM, AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS IF YOU CAN JUST DESCRIBE THE ENTRYWAYS, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN EASY AREA TO ADD AN ACCENT WITHOUT A BIG BUDGET. THE ENTRY DOOR, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE ENTRY DOOR. YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT JUST THE, THE DESIGN PHILOSOPHY AROUND THAT. IS THERE SPECIAL ELEMENTS YOU PUT IN TO KIND OF CELEBRATE DOORWAYS AND ENTRY? RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A ENTRY DOOR SORT OF, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT WITH A BLUISH GRAY, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BLUISH GRAY FOR THE ENTRY DOOR. UM, AND FOR ONE OF THE BUILDING, I THINK TWO OF THE BUILDING THAT ONLY TWO STORY WE CHANGED THE DOOR. AND ALSO, UM, IF YOU NOTICE, UM, ON SOME, UH, SOME BUILDING, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT GARAGE DOOR COLOR WITH A PAINTED COLOR, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR COMPARED TO, UH, THE PRODUCT WE CALL A 17 PLAQUES, LET'S SAY 14 PLUS 16 PLUS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GARAGE DOOR, UH, COLORS TO UM, SORT OF DIFFERENTIATE BUT ALSO, UH, WORK TOGETHER. UM, 'CAUSE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE, UM, SORT OF NOT TOO BUSY, BUT STILL HAS ENOUGH ACCENT TO FOLLOW THE, UH, FARMHOUSE CHARACTER. THAT'S WHAT THE INTENTION. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WALKING US THROUGH THE, THE DECISION MAKING BEHIND IT. MAKE SURE I'M INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. UM, THE NEXT ONE MAY BE FOR THE LANDSCAPE TEAM. AND THIS IS, I DON'T WANNA REACH BEYOND OUR PROCESS, BUT I JUST HAD A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT MOANING TO ME, UH, HOW CERTAIN PUBLIC ENEMY, UH, AMENITIES AND COMMON AREAS, THINKING ABOUT BARBECUES, DOG PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, UH, WHEN YOU GET PAST OUR STAGE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY CONSULTANTS, SOMETIMES THERE'S SIGNIFICANT REDESIGNS REQUIRED. DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT OR HAS THAT BEEN KIND OF PLANNED FOR IN THIS PROCESS. DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES OR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO WHAT ARE REALLY GREAT? AMEN. UH, AMENITIES, UH, ONCE WE GET ACCESSIBILITY CONSULTANTS ONBOARD IN BUILDING, I DON'T REALLY ANTICIPATE A GREAT LOT OF CHANGE. A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE BECAUSE THE WAY WE DESIGN IT ALREADY ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES. UM, EQUAL ACCESS EVERYWHERE. EVERYTHING WHICH REQUIRES ME WOULD HAVE ME UPSTAIRS, WOULD HAVE STAIRS, HANDRAILS, AND ALL THIS STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE, UH, WEIRD CONDITIONS. SO EVERYTHING'S SORT OF PRETTY MUCH FLAT OVERALL. UM, SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE, UM, HAVING THOSE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD. BUT IF THERE IS A CONCERN DOWN THE ROAD, YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO PROVIDING THE EQUAL ACCESS OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA REACH BEYOND PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IT IS NICE TO KNOW THE GREAT AMENITIES WE'RE SEEING AREN'T GONNA CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY WHEN WE GET TO BUILDING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MM-HMM . [02:15:01] UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEXT PIECE IS KIND OF ABOUT BUILDING DESIGN. WE, WE HAD AN EMAIL ABOUT FLOODING, AGAIN, CALLING OUT FLOOD MODELS THAT WE CAN'T HOLD THE DEVELOPER TO. UH, BUT THEY HAD POSITED THAT BUILDING THREE COULD BE MIGRATED UP A HILL TO AVOID A PARTICULARLY, UH, IMPACTFUL FLOODING ZONE. I WOULD ASSUME I, NOW I KNOW THAT'S PARTNERED WITH THE DOG PARKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT OFFERS ANY ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY, BUT I'D ASSUME AT THIS STAGE THERE'S NOT MUCH LEEWAY IN MOVING BUILDING FOOTPRINTS OR IS THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS SEEN THAT SPECIFIC EMAIL. UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AS A, A PRETTY DISTINCT RECOMMENDATION FOR SOMEONE WHO HAD SOME FLOOD EXPERTISE. SO, NO, I, I SAW THAT EMAIL ACTUALLY RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. UM, I, I GLANCED AT IT AND IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO TO KNOW THAT DAVID KELLER IS STILL, STILL ALIVE AND WELL, AND, AND, UH, WRITING VERY, UH, VERY THOUGHTFUL EMAILS AND, AND IN PROVIDING GOOD INPUT. UM, YEAH, SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS, THIS MODEL, I'M NOT SURE, UH, THE GENESIS OF IT. UM, AND, AND AS A DEVELOPER THAT'S CREATING, UM, YOU KNOW, HABITATIONS FOR PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF, OF CREATING STRUCTURES THAT ARE GONNA FLOOD, RIGHT? SO, UH, WE ARE GONNA LOOK INTO THIS AND UNDERSTAND, UH, OVERLAY A, HOPEFULLY A CREDIBLE FLOODLINE PLANE, UM, UH, PLANE LINE, UH, OVERLAY THAT ONTO OUR SITE PLAN AND JUST SEE HOW IT IMPACTS BUILDING THREE AND POSSIBLY BUILDING FOUR. UM, AND THEN LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT. UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, FOR NOTHING ELSE, KEEPING OUR RESIDENTS SAFE FROM FLOODING, BUT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, FLOOD INSURANCE, RIGHT? IF WE'RE PUTTING STRUCTURES IN A FLOODPLAIN THAT TRIGGERS FLOOD INSURANCE, THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER. SO WE HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH RESPECT TO WHATEVER FLOODPLAIN INFORMATION WE CAN GATHER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T IMPOSE A NEW MODEL ON YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO GET THE NEWEST INFORMATION AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO YOUR DECISION MAKING. 'CAUSE ON THE CITY SIDE, OF COURSE, THERE'S A LIABILITY QUESTION THERE AS WELL. UM, AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, ON FLOODING KIND OF WATER, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE DIS OR I DUNNO HOW TO POSITION THIS, BUT I LIKE PERMEABLE PAVING. I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES HERE. I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, UH, IN PROJECTS IN RECENT MEMORY. WE'VE SEEN LANDSCAPED PARKING SPACES. THESE ARE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE LARGELY OR KIND OF HAVE LIGHT LANDSCAPING THAT CAN BE REPURPOSED BACK INTO PARKING SPACES IF NECESSARY. THIS HAS ACTUALLY CAME UP IN THE SITE PLAN FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO I WONDER IF WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT HERE. AND THEN I ALSO THOUGHT OF LAB CON AND WHAT AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB THEY DID WITH PERMEABLE SURFACES. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH, UH, WHAT AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB THEY DID WITH PERMEABLE SURFACES AND WATER RECYCLING. I DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO TOTALLY REDESIGN THINGS NOW, BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT PLAN. I THINK THERE DEFINITELY, UH, IS TO ELLIOT'S POINT, A SOIL ANALYSIS REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S JUST NOT A COMPACTED SURFACE RIGHT UNDER YOUR PERMEABLE SURFACE. UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, AND YOU SAID YOU'RE OPEN TO IT, UM, SOME EXPLORATION WHERE POSSIBLE PERMEABLE SURFACES TO HELP WATER FILTRATE INTO THE GROUND. UM, YEAH, IF YOU CAN RE THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, NO, I, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE, THE, THE REASON THE, THE WATER PONDS THERE A BIT, UM, IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PERK VERY WELL THERE. UM, AND, AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD INVESTIGATE THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE, BUT IT, BUT IT'S, IT, IT, I HAVE HEARD IT'S A CONDENSED STONE MATERIAL THERE, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT A PERCOLATION, UH, OPPORTUNITY THERE WOULD, WOULD MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO EXPLORING THAT. UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, COSTS ARE, ARE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, THESE PROJECTS ARE WOUND SO TIGHT RIGHT NOW WITH INTEREST RATES WHERE THEY ARE WITH BUILDING MATERIALS, WHERE THEY, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT IS RIGHT ON THE BUBBLE, MAKING IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. SO WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL IN ADDING THINGS THAT WOULD THEN TIP THE SCALE ON THAT AS WELL. WELL, AND SPECIFICALLY I'M THINKING OF AREAS THAT AREN'T PART OF YOUR, 'CAUSE. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE WATER FLOW MODELS THAT REQUIRE THAT SHEETING AND IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT, BUT IN SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, AGAIN, SOME OF THE LOCATIONS, I'M THINKING OF MAYBE LANDSCAPE PARKING, MAYBE PERMEABLE SURFACE, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE CREDENCE IN THAT DESIGN DIRECTION. ALSO TO GIVE SOME, UM, REASSURANCE THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LET WATER PENETRATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, SO I THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS, [02:20:01] UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IF I MAY, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A STRAW POLL HERE FOR A POTENTIAL, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL AROUND EXPLORING PERMEABLE SURFACES. I'M LOOKING TO ANDREW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DRAFT THAT LANGUAGE HERE, UM, AS A REQUEST, RIGHT? I REQUEST, I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'RE DRAFTING NOW, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO WORDSMITH IT, BUT, OKAY. UM, IN, IN THAT CASE, IF WE WANNA DO A QUICK STRAW POLL FOR THE INCLUSION OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REGARDING THE EXPLORATION OF PERMEABLE SERVICES, IF I COULD SEE HANDS. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE WILL WORK ON WORDSMITHING THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS THE NEXT IN MY NOTES FOR, FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, FOR THE TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS, YOU, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO GO TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, MAYBE AFTER THE DISCUSSION PERIOD. I WONDER IF WE CAN GET SOME SPECIFICITY ON ONE 14 ABOUT WHAT AREAS WERE BEING INCLUDED WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I HAD SOME NEIGHBORS WORRIED THAT THEY WOULD BE MAYBE OFF OF GRAY LAWN OR EVEN OFF OF JESS AND WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED. SO MAYBE THERE'S A RADIUS OR ANY LANGUAGE THAT WOULD JUST TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHO'S INVITED TO THAT COMMUNITY MEETING. BUT I LIKE THAT OPTION FOR DISCUSSING TRAFFIC OPTIONS. I, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THE COMMUNITY WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE APPLICANT EVEN THEN LEGISLATING OR DIS, UM, WORKING IT OUT UP HERE ON THE DAIS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I WAS GOING TO TREES. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TREE NUMBER 200. UH, SO I LOVED SEEING THAT AS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF OUR SIX, RIGHT, OUR SIX PROTECTED TREES. SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF DOWN TO FIVE, ASSUMING THAT GETS SAVED. UM, TWO THAT I THOUGHT STOOD OUT AS POTENTIALLY BEING SAVEABLE WERE 43 IN PARTICULAR, AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE CURB HAD TO GO IN TOO MUCH. AND THAT'S A REDWOOD, SO THERE JUST WASN'T AN OPTION THERE. UH, AND I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD. IF YOU CAN GIVE US A COUPLE WORDS ABOUT 43 AND MAYBE ALSO 39, THAT AGAIN LOOKED LIKE THERE COULD BE SPACE. IT WASN'T LIKE A BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A BUILDING. AND JUST THE DECISION MAKING ON THOSE TWO, UH, I WOULD SAY 1 0 4 AND 1 0 2. I SEE THEY'RE CLOSE TO A BUILDING. NUMBER 40 IS IN A FOOTPRINT OF BUILDING NINE, SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT. BUT IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO, UM, TREE NUMBER 39 AND THEN THE REDWOOD NUMBER 43 AND THE DECISION BEHIND WHY THOSE HAD TO BE REMOVED. SO 39 IS A REDWOOD, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, IT'S AT THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. SO IF YOU CAN PAN OVER AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY THERE, SO THAT TREE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY, THAT'S 43. SO THAT'S 43, 39 IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CLUBHOUSE. YEAH. SO, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S A REDWOOD, UH, AT THE STREET. YES, CORRECT. AT THE, AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY. SO FOR US TO MAKE THAT WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE CANOPY. YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENT OF THE CANOPY TO THE LEFT OF THAT FOUR, UH, 3 43. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE CANOPY AND THAT IT'S THE ASSUMED ROOT AREA OF THAT TREE. SO FOR US TO KEEP THAT TREE, THAT MEANS THAT DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY HAS TO GO, HAS TO BE ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT. AND WHEN YOU MOVE TO THE LEFT, IT KIND OF, IT, IT, IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THAT CIRCULATION. IT WILL TAKE UP MORE PARKING SPOTS, AND THEN HOW THE DRIVEWAY KIND OF COMES DOWN THE ALLEY, EVERYTHING'S GONNA GET, GET TWEAKED. SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THAT TREE TO BE REMOVED. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CIRCULATION. UM, NOW ONTO TREE 39, TREE 39 IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT ON THIS PLAN TO THE RIGHT OF THE CLUBHOUSE. YEAH. YES. SO THIS ONE, UM, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO, LOOK INTO THIS TREE. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DO MORE STUDIES AND SEE IF WE CAN PRESERVE IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND ON 43, YOU KNOW, YOU SAVED A LOT OF THOSE REDWOODS IN THAT ROW AND IT STOOD OUT AS ONE THAT MAYBE WE CAN SAVE, BUT I THINK TOO, IF YOU MOVE THAT DRIVEWAY, YOU MAY IMPACT 44 BY NECESSITY, WHICH HAS JUST BEEN YEAH, UH, REMOVED FROM OUR, OUR REMOVAL LIST AS IT WERE. SO, UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. IF WE, ESPECIALLY 39 AGAIN, STOOD OUT AS ONE THERE, UM, TO RETAIN, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PLANTING A LOT OF TREES. YOU'VE MET THE REPLACEMENT QUOTA REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, 39. IT'S SORT OF A SPECIAL ONE TOO, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE VERY LOW BRANCHING VALLEY OAK. SO IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THAT, BASICALLY YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING AROUND IT. IT, IT IS VERY LOW TO THE GROUND, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, UTILITIES GOING AROUND IT TOO. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE STUDY, WE HAVE TO KIND OF STUDY WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS THAT WOULD, UH, FOR, FOR KEEPING THAT TREE, WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, TO, TO THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING UTILITIES, INCLUDING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND ALL THOSE STUFF. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OKAY, TERRIFIC. YEAH, AND WE CAN WAIT TO DECIDE IF THAT SHOULD GO ALONG WITH TREE [02:25:01] 200. I, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LOOK INTO IT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT TREE CANOPY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARKING LOT FOR THE TRAIL, SO THIS IS MOVING UP TO LIKE THE NORTH OR, UH, NOT, YEAH, I GUESS IT IS NORTHEAST OF THE SITE. I ALWAYS LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND THINK NORTH IS UP, BUT NORTH IS TO THE LEFT. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE BY THE TRAIL ENTRANCE. THERE'S A PARKING AREA. AND I WONDERED, IT LOOKED LARGELY UNCOVERED BY CANOPY. UM, PARKING AREAS ARE USUALLY ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT IF WE CAN SNEAK IN CANOPY COVERAGE TO REDUCE, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT DIALING EFFECT AND PROVIDE SHADE, MAKE THE AMENITY MORE USABLE, THAT'S ALWAYS A, A GOAL. AND I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TREES THAT WERE REMAINING IN PLACE, BUT I WONDERED IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, IN THAT AREA TOO. AND I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST AS IT WERE, OR UP WHICH BUILDING IS, ARE YOU NEAR THE BUILDING? UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT BUILDING TWO, IT'S KIND OF STRAIGHT UP FROM THAT. YEAH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FILE RETENTION AREA, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE. OH, UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. WELL THEN I WON'T REQUIRE YOU TO PLANT TREES THERE OR ASK ABOUT IT. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE RAILROAD, WAS I INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY FROM THE PLAN THAT THOSE ARE MOSTLY, UH, OAK, QUICKEST SPECIES? IT LOOKED LIKE ALL BUT JUST KIND OF A VARIATION OF DIFFERENT OAK SPECIES, UH, ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE ALL ALONG THE RAILROAD? SO WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF, UM, STARTING FROM THE LEFT SIDE, WE HAVE SOME VALLEY OAKS, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE. YEAH, IT'S A VARIATION OF OAK SPECIES. AND THEN INSIDE A PARKING LOT FINGER, WE HAVE THE ACER, UH, RUBRUM AS THE SECOND LAYER OF DECIDUOUS TREES, UM, RIGHT. BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT, SO, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A LEVEL OF CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO'S THE PROFESSIONAL GONNA BE WORKING ON THIS, WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT, UM, SOME OF THE OAK SPECIES WITH THEIR VULNERABILITIES TO DIFFERENT FUNGI THINGS, YOU KNOW, DOTTING IN A COUPLE TREES FOR DIVERSITY IN THAT ROW MIGHT HELP WITH THE LONG TERM SURVIVAL. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, I'M SURE YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I JUST WANT TO ELEVATE THAT TO YOU. UH, AND I THINK OVERALL FOR THE SITE, AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF THIS REACHES ANY CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A 50%, UM, NATIVE PLANTING THRESHOLD, WHICH YOU SAID WE MIGHT ALREADY BE THERE. AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE TERRORIST AREA, THE RIVER SETBACK AREA, THAT AREA THAT'S GONNA BE UNDERGOING KIND OF RESTORATION, IF WE CAN PUT A REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO TO THE COUNTY NATIVE LEVEL. SOME PLACES ARE DOING THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE RIPARIAN, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NATIVE PLANTINGS, I THINK THAT'S ALREADY THE PLAN. UM, BUT IF THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL JUST IN THESE SENSITIVE SITES, IF, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO IT TO EXPLORE OR TRY TO ADHERE TO THAT KIND OF STANDARD, A 50% OVERALL JUST FOR THE TREE PLANTING, TRYING TO HIT A NATIVE, UH, TREE PLANTING MARK, AND THEN IN THAT RESTORATION AREA, TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT NATIVE IF FEASIBLE. UM, YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN. THE, UH, PLANTING PLAN FOR THE CREEK ZONE. UM, SO THESE LOOK LIKE THESE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, NATIVE TREE SPECIES, SO THE BOX ELDER CALIFORNIA BUCKEYE, OREGON COAST LIVE OAK. YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL HITTING A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THE RIPARIAN, UH, RESTORATION AREA. UM, AND THEN ALL THESE SHRUBS, THESE ARE ALL CALIFORNIA NATIVE SHRUBS AND THEY HAVE BY DIFFERENT ZONES. UM, THIS IS BASED ON, UM, PLAN PREPARED BY, I THINK THIS IS PREPARED BY WRA YEAH, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT BIOLOGIST. OKAY. SO I WON'T MAKE US GO THROUGH A STRAW POLL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL BRING UP WHEN WE GET THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, MAYBE IT'S WORTH PUTTING THOSE PERCENTAGES, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ALREADY HITTING IT, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THAT, THAT CONFIDENCE IN THE PROJECT SITE THAT WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING OUR METRICS THERE. UM, SO I WILL SAVE ALL, ANY OTHER NOTES ABOUT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL UNTIL WE KIND OF FINALIZE. SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT POINT, DO WE HAVE, DO THE CURRENT DRAFTS OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SPEAK TO NATIVE PLANTINGS AND LIKE DOING SOME QUICK NO, I MEAN, FOR JUDGES NOT DIRECTLY. THE, UM, MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM REQUIRES THE HMMP, THE HABITAT MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING PLAN TO BE PREPARED. AND THAT PLAN HAS BEEN PREPARED AND THAT BASICALLY [02:30:01] HAS ALL NATIVE PLANT SPECIES IN IT. SO, UM, SO YES, INDIRECTLY. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PERHAPS COVERED. YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE THERE. AND AGAIN, I, I MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT ADDING TO OUR EXCESSIVE LIST OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND JUST TO PUT THE POINT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF PISTACHIO ARE GREAT. OUR BEUS MARINA ARE GREAT, GREAT MYRTLE ARE GREAT ORNAMENTALS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, ARE ORNAMENTALS. SO ANYWHERE WHERE WE CAN EXPLORE SWAPPING INTO NATIVE, SWAPPING IN A SUPERIOR SHADE TREE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE HUGE, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A LONDON PLAIN SYCAMORE OR SOMETHING WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ALL STAR SHADE TREES, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I LEAVE THAT TO YOUR PROFESSIONAL DISCRETION RATHER THAN CONDITION OF APPROVAL. FURTHER COMMENTS, DISCUSSION POINTS. COMMISSIONER EBNER, I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE QUALITY OF MATERIALS AND THE COMMENT, UM, THAT WAS ALREADY SURFACED, UH, JUST FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A LOT OF EARTH TONES KIND OF COLORS, UH, OAK CREEK APARTMENTS ACROSS THE WAY IS LIKE A DEEP FOREST GREEN. I KNOW FARMHOUSE IS VERY CHIC RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS OR WAS AN EXERCISE DONE IN ALTERNATIVE COLOR PALETTES AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU PULLED FROM, UM, JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT AT ALL. I WOULD ADD ALSO I THINK JUST THE AMOUNT OF WHITE AND REALLY LIGHT CREAMS AND THE OVERALL MASS AND HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS AND SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS WHERE YOU SUPERIMPOSE THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, LIKE THEY ARE RELATIVELY VISIBLE AND THE WHITE IS PRETTY HIGHLY REFLECTIVE. SO I THINK THEY STAND OUT MORE, UM, THAN MAYBE MORE NATURAL PALETTES MIGHT. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS, UM, DOES MAINTAIN A NATURAL COLOR PALETTE FOR THE MOST PART. UM, AND UM, YEAH, WE, THE, THE COLOR PALETTE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR SID COMMONS IS, UM, YOU'RE BALANCING RIGHT, A COUPLE THINGS, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO MARKET AND HAVE SOME SIZZLE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRODUCT AND, AND, AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, SO, UM, UH, GENERALLY I THINK THIS IS A FAIRLY, UH, TONED DOWN COLOR PALETTE THAT WE CAME UP WITH THAT ISN'T KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO BUILD. UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, IS THERE SOME ARE, ARE WE ABSOLUTELY MARRIED TO THIS? NO, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOME EXPLORATION, UM, AND, UM, WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME LATITUDE THOUGH. I, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN WHAT WE'VE DONE AT OAK CREEK. I THINK WE'RE RESPONSIBLE IN, IN THE COLOR PALETTES THAT WE DO END UP WITH. SO I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO CERTAINLY EXPLORING SOME OTHER COLORS. YEAH. GREAT. THANKS. I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO SEE A FEW OPTIONS THAT PULL MORE FROM THE NEIGHBORING CONTEXT OR SLIGHTLY DARKER MIDTONE PALETTE. SO IT'S JUST NOT SO REFLECTIVE ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY I THINK ALSO RELATED IN THE QUALITY OF MATERIALS, I NOTED THE VINYL WINDOW SPECIFICATION. UM, I KNOW FROM A FIRE, AND THIS MAY BE A BUILDING PERMIT KIND OF COMMENT, BUT, UH, I'LL SPEAK TO AT LEAST CONCERNS, NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS ABOUT FIRE. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND COSTS ARE A CONSIDERATION, BUT VINYL WINDOWS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PROVEN TO NOT PERFORM WELL UNDER HEAT AND, AND, AND FIRE AND, UH, THERE'S AN AESTHETIC COMPONENT TO IT AS WELL. OKAY. I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN. SORRY. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. UM, SO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO WHEN WE, UH, SPECIFY THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, MANUFACTURER THAT IS, UH, PRETTY DECENT. UM, LIKE A MALE GUARD, THEIR, UM, VINYL WINDOW. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT LINE, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SICKNESS, THEY HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, UM, MORE, UM, HAVE A RECESS, THE FEELING, AND WE HAVE SOME TRIM WHEN WE DO A BOREDOM BUTTON, BASICALLY WE HAVE A TRIM AROUND THE WINDOW, UH, EVERYWHERE WITH THE SIDING. SAME, WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRIM. SO THAT WILL ADD A LITTLE BIT, UH, DEPTH TO THE WINDOW. AND, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE NORMALLY CHOOSE OR SPECS DURING A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT, WE WILL DO, UM, PRETTY DECENT, UH, CHOICE. WE'RE NOT JUST HAVE A VERY THIN, UM, FRAME AND, YOU KNOW, NOT FOLLOWING THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE THE WINDOW WORK WITH THE BUILDING AND MAKE A DECENT LOOK. AND, UM, I WANNA FOLLOW BACK, UH, OF YOUR COMMENT OF THE DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, FOR, UM, THE CHOICE THAT [02:35:01] WE HAVE FOR MODERN FARMHOUSE IS, UM, SO, UH, THE STYLE ITSELF, IT'S MORE LEANING TOWARDS, UM, WHITE OF WHITE, LIKE GRAY AND WITH ACCENT COLOR. SO I WAS WONDERING, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THREE BUILDING TYPES, RIGHT? SOME ARE TWO AND THREE STORY, SOME ARE PURE TWO STORY. WOULD THAT BE, UM, SOME CHOICE THAT OPTION THAT WE COULD HAVE FOR ONE OF THE BUILDING TYPE TO TEST IT OUT TO SEE IF THAT, UM, INSTEAD OF CHANGE ALL OF THEM? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING, UM, OKAY TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I'D LEAVE IT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL, IF WE WANNA MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR NOT. I, I FEEL LIKE WHITE IS JUST A HIGHLY REFLECTIVE COLOR AND SEEING THAT IT DOES KIND OF TOWER ABOVE, UM, SOME OF THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENCES THAT NEIGHBOR ONTO, UH, THE PARCEL JUST CONSIDERING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS REFLECTIVE. SO MAYBE WE COULD START WITH UNDERSTOOD SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBOR PARCEL BECAUSE, UM, SO THE NATURE, WHEN WE LAID OUT THE SITE PLAN, WE DO HAVE A TWO STORY, UH, BUILDING THAT ADJACENT TO THE SYMBOL FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND FOR THAT, THAT'S WHY I, I WAS THINKING, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, WHAT IF WE MAKE THOSE BUILDING THAT ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY WITH LITTLE BIT, UH, DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE, MORE, UH, UH, EARTH STONE, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, ADDRESS THAT. SO, BECAUSE THOSE TWO BUILDING THAT IS ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THERE IS A LARGE TREE, UM, UH, PRESERVE THE TREES IN, IN THE BUFFER ZONE. SO WHAT IF WE, UM, TAKE THE, UH, REFLECTIVE WHITE, ALL OF THOSE TWO BUILDING, WHICH IS REALLY ADJACENT, BUT REST OF THE AREA, WE STILL HAVE SOME DIFFERENTIATE, YOU KNOW, FEELINGS OF THE PROJECT. SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT CITY'S OKAY WITH IT OR IS IT WORTH ELEVATING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO EXPLORE IT? YEAH, I THINK SO. I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, UH, JUST TO SYNTHESIZE THE COLOR CONVERSATION, I THINK THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR, UH, EXPLORATION OF THE DIFFERENTIATION OF BUILDING TYPE COLOR PALETTES. UM, AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING POTENTIALLY THOSE CLOSER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE MORE OF THE EARTH TONES, ADJUSTING THOSE FEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO UH, UH, LESS BRIGHT OR LESS WHITE. UM, AND THEN ALSO POTENTIALLY SORT OF ACROSS THE, UM, FARMHOUSE STYLE, WHETHER THERE ARE SOME LESS REFLECTIVE COLORS TO EXPLORE. I WANT TO BE REALISTIC BASED ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS HERE ABOUT HOW THIS WILL WORK. SO I'M LOOKING TO STAFF TO HELP US SORT OF THINK THROUGH HOW THIS OUGHT TO BE WORDED SO THAT IT IS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT BY THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE THIS, BUT GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY INCORPORATING THE COMMENTS WE ARE SHARING TONIGHT AND APPROVED BY STAFF. 'CAUSE IT'S, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE YOU BACK TO TALK COLORS. , CAN I ADD REAL QUICK ALSO JUST THAT I, I DO THINK THERE'S, UH, A, A GREAT EFFORT MADE AND I APPRECIATE THE KIND OF THE SUBTLETIES AND THE DIFFERENCES IN THE ACCENTS AND THAT THERE ISN'T KIND OF ONE BUILDING THAT STANDS OUT UNTO IT ITSELF. SO, UH, I'D COMMEND THE PROJECT AND JUST BEING ABLE TO BALANCE A VARIETY OF COLORS AND I'D, I'D SUGGEST KEEPING THAT KIND OF BALANCE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, UM, BUT ALSO JUST EXPLORING SOMETHING LESS REFLECTIVE OVERALL. SO, OKAY. SO TO, TO SUMMARIZE, I'M GONNA SAY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ADDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE LESS REFLECTIVE COLORS ACROSS THE PROJECT, POTENTIALLY INCORPORATING MORE EARTH TONE ON THE EDGE THAT IS NEAREST TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. DO I HAVE HANDS TO INCLUDE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL? OKAY, GREAT. WE WILL WORK ON WORDSMITHING THAT, BUT APPRECIATE YOUR COLLABORATION ON IT. FURTHER THOUGHTS, DISCUSSION? WAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? NO. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER NOELL. UM, I HAVE A FEW POINTS. UH, UM, I WANNA START BY, UH, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING AND THANKING THE PROJECT PROPONENTS FOR BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND ALL THE YEARS THAT IT HAS TAKEN TO ADD ADDITIONAL HOUSING, UH, FOR PETALUMA. UH, PETALUMA VERY MUCH NEEDS ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND THE 10% SET ASIDE FOR LOW INCOME AND UH, HOUSING IS, IS ALSO ESPECIALLY NEEDED. UM, SURVIVING A, A SE A LAWSUIT THAT GOES UP TO THE COURT OF APPEAL TAKES TIME AND MONEY AND, UM, YOU HAVE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME SHRUNKEN THE PROJECT TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, [02:40:01] UH, LESS IMPACTFUL, UH, ON THE ENVIRONMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN TO 180 UNITS, UH, DECREASES IMPACTS, UH, INCLUDING THE, THE TRAFFIC AND, AND OTHER ASSOCIATED IMPACTS OF, OF BUILDING, UH, THIS PROJECT. UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, UH, YOU'RE NOT RENTING ANY UNITS OUT YET, BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS MORE HOUSING AND, UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR MY POSITION, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, ONLY APPRECIATE THE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO BRING HOUSING, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, UH, I DO ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE, THE COMMENT FROM, UM, UH, JUDITH ALLWELL WHO MENTIONED THE, UH, CONDITIONS ON PAY RAN, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO BIKE ON THAT STREET AND THE EXTRA TRAFFIC, UH, FROM THE PROJECT IS GONNA, UH, AFFECT THAT. SO I'M, ANDREW, I'M GLAD THAT YOU FLAGGED THAT FOR THE CITY TO, TO ADDRESS. UM, I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT STREET MANY TIMES ON MY BIKE AND, AND I, I CAN RELATE TO, TO HER POINT, UM, IN MY REVIEW OF THE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING DISCUSSION IN THE, UH, IN THE, THE STAFF REPORTS AND SO ON, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LIMITING THE TRAFFIC CALMING EFFORT TO JUST, UM, THE ONE STREET, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING JESS. MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE FROM THE, THE EIRI UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC CALMING WAS A CONDITION IN THE, IN THE EIR THAT WAS VOLUNTARILY MADE. IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION. IT WAS NOT A MITIGATION MEASURE TO, TO, IT WAS NOT MITIGATION TO MITIGATE A OKAY. UH, A SIGNIFICANT, WELL, I, I I HOPE THAT THAT, THAT JESS CAN BE VERY MUCH INCLUDED IN, IN THIS TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, MEASURE. UM, UH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, BUT THE LETTER FROM HOLLAND AND KNIGHT IDENTIFIED CONDITIONS 1 0 3, 1 0 4 AND 1 0 5 AS NEEDING MODIFICATION, IS THAT, IS THAT, DOES STAFF AGREE WITH THE, UH, THE HOLLAND AND KNIGHT LETTER? UH, SO I DID CONSULT WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. THOSE ARE ALL ENGINEERING RELATED CONDITIONS AND HE CONSENTS TO, UH, THE SUGGESTED CHANGES AND WE HAVE, UH, WORD PROCESSED THEM IN WITH TRACK CHANGES AND WE CAN SHARE THOSE WHEN WE SHARE. OKAY. ALL THE, ALL THE CHANGES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UM, UH, I'M GONNA SORT OF DOVETAIL THAT INTO THE, THE VINYL WINDOW QUESTION. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S NEW ORDINANCE REQUIRING NON VINYL WINDOWS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE APPLICATION. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. UM, WELL, UH, JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A STRAW, STRAW POLL INTEREST IN A RECOMMENDATION TO, FOR THE PROJECT PROPONENT TO CONSIDER NON VINYL WINDOWS? UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WILL BE SOME COST SAVINGS AND NOT COMPLYING WITH 1 0 3, 1 0 4 AND 1 0 5. UM, PERHAPS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NON VINYL WINDOWS ARE SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT ARE REASONABLE AND, AND CAN BE TRANSITIONED TO, UH, GIVEN WHERE YOU ARE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS THAT, UM, I THINK THERE'S GOOD REASON WHY THE CITY AMENDED ITS ORDINANCE TO, TO NOT A, UH, ALLOW NON VINYL WINDOWS. AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A, A GOOD, GOOD STEP FORWARD. AND, AND FINALLY, UH, THREE, 200, UM, IT IT BE ASHAMED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN A A, A BIG, YOU KNOW, WELL ESTABLISHED HEALTHY OAK TREE LIKE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN SACRIFICE A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UM, I I REALLY HOPE THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT YOU DO. AND I KNOW THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE AND, AND YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO, YOU KNOW, SAVE THAT TREE. UH, I, I HOPE THAT, THAT THAT CAN, THAT CAN HAPPEN. UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT VINYL WINDOW QUESTION BECAUSE THAT IS FOR OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH APPLY TO DIFFERENT SORTS OF PROJECTS, THIS WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. AND THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE THAT ORDINANCE TOOK EFFECT, BUT EVEN IF IT WERE SUBMITTED, YEAH, IT'S NOT A TIMING ISSUE RIGHT THERE, IT'S A PROJECT TYPE ISSUE. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THIS PROJECT COMPLY WITH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE A, AN ASK TO CONSIDER. OKAY. RIGHT. AND WE PHRASED IT AS A CONSIDER. OKAY. IF WE WERE TO PHRASE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO CONSIDER THE REVISION OF VINYL WINDOWS, IF I COULD SEE A [02:45:01] SHOW OF HANDS FOR THAT POTENTIAL. TWO THREE. OKAY. WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST WORDSMITH. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, APPROVAL AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, COULD WE JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT NUMBER 14 SO THAT WE CAN AGREE THAT WE LIKE WHAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT 200 IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS MORE LANGUAGE AROUND TREE 200 OR IF WHAT'S ALREADY IN THERE IS SATISFACTORY AND I WOULD THROW OUT IF WE COULD ADD MAYBE TREE 39 TO THAT JUST FOR THE APPLICANTS. OH, WILLING, THANK YOU. I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SEPARATE. WELL, THE ONLY REASON I THOUGHT IS BECAUSE, UM, IT SAID THE LANGUAGE AND WE'LL SEE THE UPDATED ONE, BUT IT SAYS THE APPLICANT SHALL EXPLORE THE PHYSICALITY OF PRESERVING TREE NUMBER 200, THEN IT LISTS OPTIONS AND SATISFACTION OF PLANNING MANAGER. SO I THOUGHT IT COULD BE AN EASY AD TO JUST SAY PRESERVING TREES NUMBER TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE FORTY FOUR AND 40 44 WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IS, I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD ADD 43 IF WE'RE UP TO ME, WE'D ADD ALL OF 'EM, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE MAYBE THE MOST FEASIBLE. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT THIS NOW, NUMBER 15 LANGUAGE, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE APPROACH TO PRESERVING TREE 239 AS WRITTEN HERE, GIVING EVERYONE A SECOND TO READ IT? SO WE'RE ADDING THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL TREES INTO THE, I THINK 44 WE DON'T NEED TO ADD, AND 39 WE'VE, WE HAVE POTENTIALLY ADDED OR WE CAN DO A DROP POLL. HOW, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT ADDING THE CONSIDERATION OF, SO WE HAVE THE NEXT CONDITION, UM, REFERENCES TREE 44, AND THAT'S REALLY A CORRECTION TO THE PLANS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO 44 WE'VE ALREADY COVERED. SO, UM, IF I COULD SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF ENTERTAINING, THE PRESERVATION OF TREE 39 IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, DO WE WANT TO, CAN I SLIGHTLY MODIFY THAT TAKE? SURE. , I, I, I WOULD PREFER TO PRIORITIZE 200 OVER THE OTHER TREE AND IF IT CAME TO COME DOWN TO SAVING ONE, THEN I THINK 200 NEEDS TO BE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAVED. INTERESTING. OKAY. THOUGHTS ON THAT FOLKS? WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. WHEN WE SAY EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF PRESERVING TREES NUMBER 239, TO ME, THAT'S, THEY GET THEIR DISTINCT PATHS OF FEASIBILITY EXPLORATION. UH, AND I, I DON'T SEE THAT AS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT MORE DISTINCT THAN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. I JUST THINK WITH THE APPLICANT BEING WILLING TO, UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOME, OR YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE DESIGNER SEEING SOME POTENTIAL THERE MIGHT BE WORTH ADDING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARN YOU HAD A THOUGHT ON THAT. YEAH. UM, I'M GONNA TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK. UM, WHEN THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SORT OF MOANED, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT IT DOESN'T FLOOD IN THIS AREA AND THEN YOU ADDED THE, THE PAYAN WALL, UM, IT'S BECAUSE FOR THEM IT'S VERY REAL. I'VE WALKED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND EVERYBODY ALONG THAT FLOOD WALL FEARS FLOODING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT THEY TAKE LIGHTLY. UM, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT SHRINKING THE FOOTPRINT FARTHER. UM, AND UM, YOU KNOW, PULLING BUILDING THREE AND BUILDING FOUR BACK THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK, UM, SIGNALS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY TOO. AND, UM, I'M SAYING THIS IN THE TREES BECAUSE ANY SORT OF MODIFICATIONS TO ALL THE BUILDINGS IS A MODIFICATION TO THE SITE PLAN. AND, AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LIKE PRESERVING TREE 200 OR 39 AND PRIORITIZING THAT, LIKE FOR ME PRIORITIZING LIKE, UM, INCREASING THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACES IS HONESTLY MAYBE A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR ME, UM, THAN ANY SINGLE TREE. BUT I AGREE THAT TREE 200 IS A HIGHER PRIORITY GIVEN, UM, THE SIZE AND JUST SORT OF, UM, SORT OF GRAVITAS THAT IT BRINGS. UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, I THINK IT'LL ALSO IMPROVE THE, THE VALUE OF YOUR PROJECT TO SAVE THE BIG TREES. UM, THE RIVER BEND PROJECT, THERE'S A A THAT'S JUST UP ON MADISON FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT. THEY, UM, PRESERVE THIS BIG OAK TREE THERE AND ALL THESE BRAND NEW HOMES THAT ARE IN THERE ACTUALLY HAS SOME LIKE SENSE OF PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S THIS BIG TREE RIGHT THERE AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE, UM, THAT USED TO GO OUT AND RIDE THEIR BIKES AND DO, YOU KNOW, BIKE JUMPS AND THINGS WHERE THERE'S NOW HOMES, UM, THEY CAN STILL LOOK AT THAT TREE AND THERE'S STILL THAT, THAT SENSE OF PLACE. SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO TAKE MEASURES, WHATEVER YOU CAN TO KEEP TREE 200, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S STILL A SENSE OF PLACE THERE THAT THEY, THEY ONCE KNEW. AND ALSO I THINK IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT TO HAVE LIKE BIG MATURE TREES THERE AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS BRAND NEW SORT OF CLEAR CUT AREA. SO, UM, I KNOW THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISTRACTION, BUT UM, I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT LIKE SAVING TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT ARE WE PRIORITIZING PERMEABLE SURFACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO. [02:50:01] I THINK TACTICALLY FROM A STANDPOINT OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS THEY ADDRESS, UM, TREE 200 AND NOW TREE 39, I THINK WE'RE STILL LEAVING OURSELVES ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT IF THERE IS A GRANDER SHIFT IN THE SITE PLAN, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON PERMEABLE SURFACES, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY FLAGGED AND STRAW HOLD IS SOMETHING WE WANNA INCLUDE IN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THERE'S STILL THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO IF, IF WE SORT OF ARE ARE PUSHING FOR, UM, AND, AND ENCOURAGING, UH, REEVALUATION OF THE PERMEABLE SURFACES, IF THAT THEN IMPACTS SOME TREES, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, I THINK THAT'S STILL BAKED INTO THE LANGUAGE HERE IN A WAY THAT I FIND SATISFACTORY. DOES IT WORK FOR YOU IF IT'S WELL AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE NECESSARILY PRIORITIZING ONE OVER THE OTHER, RIGHT. THE CONDITION. YEAH, AND IT'S, AND ESPECIALLY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WISHLIST, GOOD FAITH IF RIGHT. IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. THE APPLICANT WORK WORK WITH STAFF AND THERE'S NOTHING KIND OF HOLDING THEM TO THIS AT ALL. SO, UH, WHY IS IT JUST 200 THAT WE'RE, UM, IN THAT SECOND SENTENCE? I THINK THEY'RE CALLING OUT THAT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD NEED MODIFYING ANY, UH, BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR ANYTHING THAT NUMBER 200 I THINK REQUIRES 39 MIGHT NOT REQUIRE AS MUCH. IT'S THE GRADING FOR 200 IS OPTIONS THAT ALREADY BEEN RIGHT. SORT OF THOUGHT THROUGH IN A WAY THAT 39 HASN'T. OKAY. 39 WAS THE UTILITIES, RIGHT. DO WE HAVE TO SPECIFY, LIKE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE UTILITY PATHWAYS FOR 39 THEN? YEAH, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION. UM, WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, EMMANUEL DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO CRAFT THAT? I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE WE'RE SEEKING TO ADDRESS OR, OR THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTING THE TREE PRESERVATION. THIS IS LEADING ME TO THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE BREAK APART, APART SEPARATE 239 IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DETAILING THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF SAVING EACH. YEAH, I'D SUPPORT SPLITTING 'EM. I I DIDN'T READ IT CLOSELY ENOUGH TO SEE THE SPECIFICITY. I THINK SPLITTING THEM WITH SOME OF THE SAME LANGUAGE BUT DIFFERENCES IN THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING TO SAVE THEM IS GREAT. UM, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL, I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS THE WHOLE FOCUS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK IF THE FOR, FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONDITION, I'M, UM, I THINK STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH KEEPING IT TOGETHER. UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AT THE SAME TIME AND, AND MAKE THAT EVALUATION. SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY VALUE TO BE GAINED FROM CREATING TWO SEPARATE CONDITIONS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'VE CERTAINLY TRANSITIONED WORDSMITHING HERE, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION POINTS AND, AND COMMENTS THAT MIGHT, UM, REQUIRE POLS COM UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS, UM, ON TRAFFIC CALMING. UM, DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY SORT OF A, LIKE A LEVEL OF A LEVEL OF INCREASE IN, IN VOLUME OR, UM, TURNING, UH, ACTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT SORT OF LIKE WOULD TRIGGER TRAFFIC COMING AS ANALYSIS AND JUST TO SORT OF LIKE ESTABLISH THE SCOPE OF THE TRAFFIC COMING? BECAUSE I, I'VE HEARD THAT WE CAN GO OUT TO PAYAN AND, AND LIKE, UM, I'M WONDERING DO WE NEED TO SORT OF LIKE DEFINE A, YOU KNOW, SOME LEVEL INCREASE SO THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT? 'CAUSE ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH PAYAN THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IS, IS LIKE IT'S A REALLY TOUGH PRO STREET TO BUILD PUT BIKE LANES ON. THERE'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE CORRIDOR STUDY ON PAYAN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PAINS IN THE BUTT, UM, IN TERMS OF IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE THREE ROADS THAT WE CAN'T JUST LIKE DO SOMETHING EASY ON. UM, RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY THAT TRAFFIC CALMINGS SUBJECTIVE, IT'S HARD TO PUT NUMBERS TO IT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH BULL BOUTS AND, AND SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO, UH, THE MORE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND, AND SITE CONDITIONS. SO IT'S, UM, AND IT'S HARD TO PUT LIKE CONDITIONS TO, UM, HOW LIKE A VOLUME OR HOW TO, HOW TO SLOW THINGS DOWN. YEAH, RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING, I'M SAYING MORE LIKE THIS, THIS INTERSECTION BECOMES IN PLAY IF THE NUMBER OF TRIPS OR THE NUMBER OF TURNING ACTIONS INCREASES BY 15% FROM WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THAT, IS THAT HELPFUL OR DO WE NEED TO LIKE DRAW A LINE AROUND IT? UM, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT OUT TO PAY RAN AND THINKING ABOUT IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO PAY RAN. UM, BUT EVEN WHEN YOU GET OUT TO PAY RAN, LIKE CROSSING PAY RAN AT GREY LAWN CAN BE , RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY JUST PUTTING A, JUST PUTTING A CROSSWALK THERE ISN'T GONNA LIKE STOP PEOPLE FROM FLYING AROUND THOSE CORNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING BACK FROM MADISON WITH SAFE ROUTE SCHOOL ANALYSIS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. [02:55:01] SO IT'S, IT'S UM, IT'S CLOSE THAT WE'RE SORT OF CAN JUST COMBINE THAT WITH OKAY. UM, THE ANALYSIS. RIGHT? YEAH, AND I THINK TOO, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, TWO DIFFERENT METHODS OF SOLVING TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. SO, SO THE ISSUES ON GRAY LAWN, JESS AND CORDELIA THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE PROJECT AND THE INCREASED NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE SEEKING TO, TO RESPOND TO THOSE CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. THEN I THINK WHEN WE GET ONTO PAY RAN, IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE BECAUSE ON PAY RAN IT IS A VOLUME ISSUE AND, AND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE ROADWAY. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THAT THEN BECOMES A, A MORE OF A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT QUESTION AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE, THE, THE APPROACH TO THE PAY RAN ISSUE IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE APPROACH TO THE, UH, GRAY LAWN JESS CIRCULATION. OKAY. UM, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT. UM, SO ON THE NOISE, UM, CONSIDERING WE'RE GONNA HAVE 180, UM, HVAC UNITS, CAN WE, UH, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN LIKE, UM, LIKE INVERTER DRIVEN, EFFICIENT QUIET HEAT PUMPS, UH, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? I GUESS I THINK THAT I WANT TO AS PART OF THAT, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE NOISE. LET'S, UH, EMMANUEL, LET'S GO UP TO CONDITION NUMBER NINE WHERE WE DO HAVE AN HVAC NOISE REDUCTION CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND, AND SEE IF THAT CONDITION NEEDS TO BE REWORKED A BIT. SO WE HAD TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THAT WE WOULD, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS OF UNITS ON THE FRONT BUILDINGS, RIGHT? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO CALL OUT THOSE BUILDINGS BY NUMBERS. OKAY, GREAT. IT'S ONE BUILDING, BUILDING NUMBER NINE. IF I, YEAH, I GUESS I'M INTERESTED, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, THE DECIBEL RATING FOR THE IZO? UM, 21.040 A? DO WE KNOW THAT? WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT, UM, ONE MOMENT. I GUESS I WOULD JUST CONSIDERING THERE'S GONNA BE SEVERAL OF THEM IN SUPER, LIKE PRETTY CLOSE CLOSE PROXIMITY, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE A QUIETER MODEL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF UNITS TURNING ON AND OFF ALL THE TIME AND SORT OF CREATING LIKE THAT, THAT BECOMES THE SORT OF LIKE WHITE NOISE OF OF THE FACILITY. SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE NOISE FRONT. UM, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT NINE IS WRITTEN SORT OF SATISFIES THAT IN TERMS OF REFERENCING THE IZO, WHICH IN TURN WILL GOVERN THAT NOISE STIPULATION. DOES THAT LOOK, I'M JUST TO HEAR WHAT THE DECIBEL RATING IS, UM, TO JUST TO SEE WHAT THE I, WHAT THE IZO IS IS AT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAXIMUM EXTERIOR NOISE EXPOSURE IS, UH, FROM 10:00 PM TO 7:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IS 60 DECIBELS AND UH, THE SAME FOR 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WELL, IT REALLY COVERS 20 KIND OF 24 7 BECAUSE IT'S, UM, WELL I WOULD, YEAH, THEN ALSO FROM 10:00 PM TO 8:00 AM ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND HOME, I WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT LOOK FOR THINGS THAT ARE SUB 50 DECIBELS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND, UM, CONS, A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO GET, UM, ECONOMIES OF SCALE ON THE PURCHASE. UM, SO THERE WAS CON CONCERN ABOUT DRAINAGE. UM, I'M HOPING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD JUST, UH, MEET WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS. AND, UM, JUST SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE, THE GRADING AND WHATNOT JUST TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE BREAK GROUND AND WHATNOT? GREAT. THANKS. UM, UM, AND THEN I ALSO HEARD THE CONDITION OF A PURPLE AROUND KEEPING THE TRAIL OPEN DURING CONSTRUCTION, SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ADD THAT IN. SO THAT WAS AN EASY ONE. UM, THAT'S ALL FOR ME RIGHT NOW. I WAS, I WAS MAKING A NOTE ON, ON CONDITION NINE BECAUSE DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE A MODIFICATION TO THAT CONDITION? IS THAT I I HEARD THAT WE, THE, THE CODE, THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS [03:00:01] IN CHAPTER 21 ARE, ARE ESTABLISHING THE GENERAL PLAN AMBIENT, UM, AT 60 DECIBELS. AND THEN I THOUGHT I HEARD TO EXCEED THAT BY 10 DECIBELS TO TO REDUCE OR TO REDUCE IT. TO REDUCE IT. REDUCE IT, YEAH. RIGHT. UM, SO, SO REQUEST TO SHOOT FOR 50 IS INSTEAD OF 60, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE IZO. SO WE WANNA KEEP IT AS IT IS BECAUSE THAT REQUE THAT'S THEN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE ICO, BUT THEN THEY SHOULD EVALUATE OPTIONS FOR REDUCING IT FURTHER BY 10 DECIBELS. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING WE WANT YOU TO EXCEED BY REDUCING YOUR DECIBELS, RIGHT? RIGHT, YEAH. EXCEED THE STANDARDS WITH REDUCED DECIBELS. YOU WANNA EXCEED THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD BY REDUCING DECIBELS . OKAY. UM, THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE POINTING OUT IS THE SB THREE 30 DISTINCTION ON WHAT WE CAN REQUIRE AND WHAT WE CAN RESPECTFULLY REQUEST. WELL, I AM, THAT WAS, THAT'S ALSO BEEN GOING THROUGH MY MIND IS WE DO HAVE AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD RIGHT. IN THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. AND SO, UH, WE DO RUN INTO THE, THE HAA LIMITATIONS, RIGHT? I THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE A RECOMMENDATION OR A CONSIDER EXPLORE TYPE. YEAH. EVERYONE OKAY. WITH A CONSIDER IN THIS SITUATION FOR THE EXCEEDING THE STANDARDS BY HAVING REDUCED DECIBELS LOOKING LIKE. OKAY. GOOD. COULD, COULD WE MAYBE ADD TO THIS ONE JUST RELATED TO THE HVAC LOCATIONS AND KIND OF EXERCISING SOME EFFORT TO RELOCATE THOSE AWAY FROM UNIT ENTRIES OR AWAY FROM PUBLIC SIDEWALKS? DOES THE FIRST SENTENCE SATISFY THAT ALREADY? SO I'LL SUBMIT PLANS THAT SHOW THE LOCATION, OR I GUESS THAT'S SHOWING, I GUESS IT'S SHOWING, BUT I THINK JUST THE, THE, THE GOAL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONSTRAINTS ON NOISE ADJACENT TO BEDROOMS, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAN, UH, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S CONDENSER UNITS ARE GENERALLY PLACED ADJACENT ENTRIES TO EACH UNIT, WHICH FEELS A, A LITTLE AT ODDS WITH JUST A, A COMFORTABLE ENTRY. OKAY. SO YOU WANNA CONSIDER RELOCATION OF THE, UH, HVAC AWAY FROM ENTRIES OR AWAY, WAS IT AWAY FROM ENTRIES OR AWAY FROM SIDEWALKS? I THINK BOTH. I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF USUALLY AN ENTRY SERVICE BY A SIDEWALK, BUT JUST AWAY FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR POINT OF ENTRY FOR EACH UNIT. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE, WE'VE GOT SOME MORE, AGAIN, WE'RE FEASIBLE UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A LOT OF UNIT CONFIGURATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE, RIGHT. THERE MIGHT BE A GEOMETRY PROBLEM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THAT THEY LOOK AT IT. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT BUILDING NUMBER? EMANUEL? I BELIEVE IT'S BUILDING NINE AND IT'S RECON. CONSIDER RELOCATING HVAC UNITS AWAY FROM SIDEWALK AS OPPOSED TO NEAR. YEAH, I'D ALMOST APPLY THIS TO ALL THE BUILDINGS, LIKE IN GENERAL. YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CALL OUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE GONNA END UP WITH SOME, SOME SHIFTS HERE AND THERE. WE, WE WANT ALL OF THE HVAC UNITS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THEIR NOISE IMPLICATIONS. UH, I DO, UH, NINE AND TWO. THOSE ARE THE TWO BUILDINGS WITH OKAY. SIDEWALK FRONTAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ENUMERATE THOSE IN THE COAS. SO YOU WANT IT JUST A MORE GENERAL CONSIDER? YEAH. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE IF SOMETHING SHIFTS AND NOW THERE'S BUILDING THREES, HVAC IS CLOSE AS THE, WE WANT THAT TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL. OKAY. THERE WE GO. HOW FROM SIDEWALKS AND UNITS, HOW DID THAT LOOK? COMMISSIONER EBNER? I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE UNIT ENTRIES. YES, I LIKE THAT. AND WELL, WE'VE GOT TWO DEFINIT, WE'VE GOT HVAC UNITS AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING UNIT ENTRIES AS IN, AS IN THE HOMES. MM. SO I JUST WANNA AVOID DWELLING UNIT ENTRIES. DWELLING UNIT ENTRIES. THANK YOU. THIS IS FUN, . I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE JUMPED HEADLONG INTO THE WORDSMITHING . UM, SO WE'LL KEEP GOING ON IT. UH, COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN, UH, SHIFTING GEARS, UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO DESIGN AND PUT FORWARD IN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING, UM, THAT IS WELL WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, GOALS OF CALIFORNIA. IT'S WITHIN THE GOALS OF PETALUMA AND OUR, UH, BROADER TERRITORIES. AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, FIRST THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN SECOND, SEE IF THIS IS KIND OF A COMBINATION QUESTION AND POTENTIAL FOR, UH, ASK AS WELL. UM, HAS THERE BEEN ALREADY [03:05:01] CONSIDERATION INTO, UM, THE RE I, I GUESS ENERGY SAVING IMPLEMENTATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE DESIGN, UM, OF THE UNITS AND THE OTHER AREAS, UH, OF THE, UH, PROJECT ITSELF? AND IF NOT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD AS A CONSIDERATION TO NUMBER 20 AS WELL? UM, JUST AN ASK TO BE MINDFUL OF THE POTENTIAL, UM, WHAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS, UH, RAISING PRICES OF ENERGY, UH, GOING FORWARD. SO JUST TO BE COGNIZANT THAT DESIGN CHOICES REALLY DO IMPACT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WELL BEYOND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTENDED, UM, NATURE OF THE DESIGN AS ENVISIONED. SO TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS, UH, OF CAL GREEN AND TITLE 24, UM, REALLY GET YOU CLOSE TO ALMOST A, A NET ZERO PROJECT THESE DAYS. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING QUITE A BIT OF SOLAR IN THIS PROJECT, SO, UM, YEAH, THESE UNITS ARE GONNA BE REALLY ENERGY EFFICIENT, UH, AS WE COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS. FOLLOW ON THE ENERGY WHILE YOU'RE THERE. UM, WOULD YOU, YOU ENTERTAIN, UH, JUST ELIMINATING THE GANTRY GAS LINE FROM THE PROJECT AND LOOKING AT ELECTRIC, UH, POOL HEATING EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL ELECTRIC, I THINK THE, THE CONDITIONS ARE TO THE UNIT DWELLINGS. UM, YEAH, THERE, WHAT WE FOUND IS, IS HEATING A POOL, UM, IT, THERE HASN'T BEEN A REALLY GOOD ANSWER, ALL ELECTRIC IN HEATING A POOL OR A SPA. AND SO WE ARE PLANNING ON BRINGING A GAS LINE IN FOR THE CLUBHOUSE TO HEAT THE POOL AND SPA. UH, BUT ALL THE UNITS ARE GONNA BE ALL ELECTRIC. WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN EXPLORATION OF AN ALL ELECTRIC POOL? UH, PULL INTO PAUSE? WE CERTAINLY, YEAH, IF THERE'S A, IF, IF THERE'S A CONCEPT OUT THERE THAT, THAT, THAT IS REASONABLE, WE CERTAINLY WILL LOOK AT IT. WE, WE'VE, WE'VE STUDIED, WE STU CONTINUE TO STUDY IT AND, UM, AND, AND SO FAR HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT SOLVES THAT ISSUE, BUT, UM, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY BE OKAY WITH A CONDITION TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. SO WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE. COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN, WE SATISFIED YOUR COMMENT ON 20. UM, YES, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER , JUST A, A, A QUICK QUESTION AND ALSO TO REITERATE, REITERATE WHAT SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE SAID. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GONE BEYOND AND BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND EVERYTHING AND WE'RE, WE'RE A CITY THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND YOU'RE PROVIDING THAT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST A QUESTION, DO THE BELOW MARKET RATE UNITS, ARE THEY DISPERSED IN THE PROPERTY OR ARE THEY LUMPED TOGETHER, I GUESS IS THE ONLY WAY TO PHRASE IT? YEAH, SO THEY HAVE TO MIRROR THE MARKET. WE'LL NEED YOU ON THE MIC JUST FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. SORRY. FOR THE UP AND DOWN. THEY HAVE TO MIRROR THE MARKET RATE UNIT MIX AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE EQUALLY DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. I BELIEVE THERE'S A PAGE IN THE, OKAY. THERE IS A, A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE INTERSPERSED IN BLUE AND RED AND NO, THAT'S JUST IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING. YEP. UH, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, UM, WELL ACTUALLY LET ME GO THROUGH MY TWO SPECIFICS FIRST. WHAT IS, I THINK NOW CONDITION ONE 18? THIS IS ABOUT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I NOTICED WE HAD PICKED UP ON ADDING SOME SPECIFICITY TO WHO THE QUOTE UNQUOTE NEIGHBORS ARE. AND I LIKED THE STREETS WE HAD INCLUDED OF WHO WE ARE GOING TO REACH OUT TO TO BE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY MEETING. THE ONLY TWO THAT I SAW MISSING WERE BETTY AND BERNICE COURT. I THINK BERNICE COURT IN PARTICULAR, UM, HAS SOME IMPACTS FROM, I MEAN, BOTH THOSE RIGHTS SPILL OUT ONTO THE STREETS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I WONDERED IF THE COMMISSION WOULD SUPPORT ADDING BERNICE COURT AND BETTY COURT TO OUR LIST OF SPECIFIC STREETS, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE INVITING TO OUR COMMUNITY TRAFFIC WORKSHOP. I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT. BETTY AND BERNICE, WELCOME TO THE PARTY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS I, IT WAS CONDITION 17 ORIGINALLY, MAYBE 18 OR 19 NOW. AND THIS IS ABOUT DOWNCAST [03:10:01] LIGHTING. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT HAS COMMENTARY ON. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SEEING INCREASINGLY, ESPECIALLY ON POTENTIALLY SENSITIVE ECOLOGICAL SITES GOING FOR DARK SKY COMPLIANCE OR DARK SKY APPROVED LIGHT FIXTURES. UM, IS THAT IN THE PLANS? WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO HAVING THAT AS A CONDITION OR YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AROUND DARK SKY APPROVED? YEAH, THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY ON THE PLAN. IT'S ON THE LIGHTING SHEET. I SORRY, MY PLAN'S OVER THERE, BUT IT'S ON THE LIGHTING PLAN SHEET. SO ALL THE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WE HAVE HAVE FULL CUTOFF, SO THERE'S NO, UM, ANY LIGHT THAT WOULD GO ABOVE THE 180 DEGREE PLANE. UM, THEY'RE ALL 3000 K UH, LIGHT TEMPERATURE. AND I THINK WE ALSO PROVIDED A LIGHTING, UH, PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS TO SHOW THE COMPLIANCE. UM, SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE CONSIDER THE DARK SKY, UM, UH, ORDINANCE AND WE, UH, COMPLY TO THAT. WE ALREADY COMPLY TO THAT WITH OUR SELECTION. TERRIFIC. UM, I MEAN, WOULD IT BE WORTH ADDING HERE OR IF THEY'VE ALREADY COMPLIED? I MEAN, I KIND OF THINK OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS A GREAT WAY TO SIGNAL THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIVE TO POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENT. UM, BUT MAY, MAYBE THIS GETS US HERE. UM, YEAH, I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO ADD UNNECESSARILY UNNECESSARY SPECIFICITY, BUT I DO LIKE TO USE SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE DARK SKY COMPLIANT WHEN WE CAN. IS THERE ANY APPETITE FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS SAYING COMPLY WITH THE MITIGATION MEASURES, SO I DON'T WANNA SET US UP FOR CONFLICTS IN THE GOVERNING COMPLY . YEAH. AND IT MAY VERY WELL BE THOSE SPECIFIED DARK SKY COMPLY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LET'S NOT MAKE THAT AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY HITTING THE MARK ANYWAY FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, I GUESS THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, DID WE GET ANYTHING FOR, UM, TRAIL ACCESS KIND OF PHASING DURING CONSTRUCTION? YEAH, SO I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT NOTES ON THE, LIKE, NEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. OKAY. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY TERRIFIC GOTTEN OURSELVES INTO WORDSMITHING SOME THAT WERE ALREADY ENTERTAINED IN THIS LONG LIST. UM, SO LET'S NOW I THINK IF STAFF IS AMENABLE, LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SORT OF FUSSED WITH, MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD WITH THOSE AND THEN MOVE INTO THE TO TOTALLY BRAND NEW ONES. OKAY, PERFECT. JUST WHILE WE'RE HERE. PERFECT. SINCE WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO MUCH WORK ON THE WORDSMITH AND I, AND I WILL SAY REALLY QUICKLY TO THE APPLICANT, WHEN WE ARE GETTING INTO THE WORDSMITHING IN DETAILS AND TALKING ABOUT ONE TREE, IT'S USUALLY A SIGN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE IS REALLY WELL EXECUTED, UH, AND REALLY RESPONSIVE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES. UM, OKAY, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TREES, UH, WHAT WAS FORMERLY CONDITIONED 14 AND NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER IT IS. UM, BUT IF WE COULD JUST GET OURSELVES TO THAT, READ IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH HOW THAT ONE IS NOW READING A LITTLE BIT. UH, YEP. OKAY. THE APPLICANT. OKAY. HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT HOW WE'RE TREATING 239 IN THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL? CAN WE SCROLL UP PLEASE? MAYBE REDUCE THE SIZE SLIGHTLY SO WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE THANK YOU. SORRY. WORTH READING ALOUD OR, WE GOT IT. OKAY. I'M WONDERING IF INSTEAD OF RELOCATING THE COVERED PARKING SPACES FOR TREE 200, IF WE REDUCE THE NUMBER YEP. REDUCE OR RELOCATE REDU REDUCE SLASH RELOCATE. YEP. QUESTION FOR, UH, PLANNING MANAGER ON THAT. UM, WHO MAKES THE FINAL CALL ON LIKE, UH, THE DECISION OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE ELIMINATING A FEW PARKING SPACES CAN POTENTIALLY SAVE THE TREE, RIGHT. UM, WHO MAKES THE CALL OF LIKE, UH, WHETHER PARKING SPACES GO OR THE TREE GOES, I GUESS? WELL, IN THIS CASE, THE, UM, THE PROJECT EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT AND SO, UH, THE, THE ELIMINATION OF THE PARKING SPACES WOULD NOT BE A FACTOR. THE, UH, AS WE LOOK TO THE, THE, UH, IZO CHAPTER 17 ACTUALLY GIVES US, UM, FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE TO DENY, UH, ISSUANCE OF A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. SO IT'S, IT IS INTERESTING THAT, THAT THE, THE APPROACH OF THAT CHAPTER IS TO ASSUME THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WILL BE APPROVED AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THE, WE HAVE THE BURDEN THEN TO MAKE THE FINDINGS TO DENY ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT. SO WE CAN DO THAT AND, AND WE WOULD EVALUATE AND, AND REVIEW THOSE FINDINGS. AND THEN OF COURSE IT SAYS PLANNING MANAGER, BUT NATURALLY, UH, THE PLANNING MANAGER [03:15:01] WORKS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. UM, SO IT WOULD BE IN CONSULTATION AND, AND, UH, WITH THE ADVISEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THEN THAT DECISION IS APPEALABLE. AND, AND SO THERE IS APPEAL LANGUAGE IF IN A DENIAL LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THEY CAN APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN, UH, WITHIN 14 DAYS. DO WE, AND THAT THE, THE SECTION IN THE IZO SAYS REMOVAL OR DAMAGE OF A HEALTHY TREE COULD BE AVOIDED BY REASONABLE REDESIGN OF THE SITE PLAN RIGHT. PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE LANGUAGE. I'M WONDERING IF WE WANNA BROADEN THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT IN THIS CONDITION TO JUST INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS THAT MAY BE NECESSARY FOR THE DRIVE OR MAYBE EVEN SHIFTING THE CARPORT AND THE BIKE STORAGE STRUCTURE. , IS THAT REGARDING 200 OR 39 FOR TREE 200? FOR 200, IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA, LIKE THE TREE PROTECTION ZONE I'D IMAGINE IS GONNA FALL A LITTLE BEYOND THE CURB LINE ON THE . WELL, I WOULDN'T AS SURE I, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. BUT AS I READ THIS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS TO EXPLORE, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE BEING LIMITED TO JUST THE REMOVAL OR RELOCATION OF THE, UM, TWO PARKING SPACES. RIGHT. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE, THOSE, THOSE REDESIGN MOVES THAT ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE, THE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN EXHAUSTIVE EXPLORATION WITHIN NUMBER 15 HERE OF WHAT MIGHT CONSTITUTE A FEASIBLE PLAN FOR SAVING THOSE TREES. CORRECT. AND THE LANGUAGE JUST SAY MAY INCLUDE, SO MAY INCLUDE EXACTLY. PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THINKING CREATIVELY. OKAY. HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT 15? EVERYONE OKAY. WITH THIS LANGUAGE? OKAY, GREAT. THEN LET'S GET OURSELVES BACK UP TO, WHAT WAS NUMBER NINE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE HVAC NOISE. I JUST WANT TO, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM IT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD ON THIS LANGUAGE HERE. EXCEEDING REQUIRED EXTERIOR NOISE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS BY REDUCTION. GREAT. SATISFIED FOLKS. OKAY, GREAT. UM, THE CHANGES TO 1 0 3, 1 0 4 AND 1 0 5. IS THAT NEW? 1 0 3, 1 0 4. 1 0 5. FORMERLY 1 0 3. 1 0 4, 1 0 5. THAT HAD ALREADY HAD BEEN CALLED OUT. SORRY. YEP. AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT SEEMINGLY HAD BEEN, YEAH. SO 1 0 1 IS NOW 1 0 5 AND WE JUST REMOVED THE REFERENCE THE, THE LAST FIVE OR SO WORDS AS SHOWN IN THE ENTITLEMENT DOCUMENT. I THINK WE'RE NOW TALKING 1 0 7, 8, AND NINE IN THAT CASE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. GREAT. IF IN CONSULTATION. OKAY. IS THIS SATISFACTORY TO THE APPLICANT? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONERS ON, ON 1 0 8, IT SAYS A 15 WIDE EASEMENT. IS THAT 15 FEET JUST LOOKING PER FOOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAME ISSUE. AND I THINK ON, ON THE NOW 1 0 8, IT SHOULD BE IF NEEDED, SECURE OR, OR RECEIVE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T, WE NEED THE PROJECT WOULD NEED TO GET THE EASEMENT FROM SMART. YEAH. NOT GIVE IT TO SMART. SO IF NEEDED SECURE. GREAT. OKAY. AND THEN IN 1 0 9 WE'RE SEEING AS WELL PROPERTY SHALL BE A 15 FOOT WIDE EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT RIGHT THERE. YEP. AND THE LANGUAGE THERE, YOU'RE NOT ON. RIGHT. ONE MORE TIME. WE DO, WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE SHELL IN THAT CONDITION. THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE HOLLAND AND NIGHT LETTER. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. THAT ONE THOUGH MIGHT BE FOR UTILITIES. I, KEN MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A STANDARD KIND OF ALREADY OBJECTIVE STANDARD THAT WE ALREADY REQUIRE FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. YEAH. OKAY. KEN, IF YOU CAN CONFIRM. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE WERE GOOD ON THE RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. I [03:20:01] THINK IT'S, IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH, RIGHT? SO WE, OKAY. I THINK THAT COVERS WHAT WE HAD BEEN, UH, REVISING AS WAS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE DOCK. UM, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AS WE GET INTO THESE NEW ONES, I'M GONNA START, UH, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ORDER WE GO IN. OKAY. UM, A NEW POTENTIAL COLLECT, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL AROUND EXPLORING THE FULL ELECTRIFICATION OF THE PROJECT. UM, IN PARTICULAR THE ELECTRIFICATION OF POOL AND SPA AND STAFF. IF THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL EXISTING IN THIS LONG LIST THAT IT OUGHT TO BE INSERTED THERE. IS THERE? I'M OPEN TO THAT. THERE IS. AND, AND I HAD, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, EMMANUEL, IF YOU WOULD GO TO NOW CONDITION 22. AND SO WE LEFT, UH, THE, THE CONDITION WAS APPLICABLE, REFLECT THE DWELLINGS WILL BE ALL ELECTRIC AND THE GAS WILL NOT BE PROVIDED APPLICANT. AND THEN WE ADDED APPLICANT WILL EVALUATE ELECTRIC ENERGY OPTIONS FOR POOL AND SPA HEATING SO THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS ALL ELECTRIC. MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY EXPLORE, WE'LL EVALUATE, CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, CHARACTERIZING WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT BURDEN IT PLACES ON THE APPLICANT, AND ALSO WHAT REALITY IT MEANS FOR HOW, HOW SERIOUSLY THESE ARE CONSIDERED. UM MM-HMM . . I, I ASSUME IT'S LIKE GOOD FAITH EFFORT WITH PLANNING STAFF. THERE'S AT LEAST A MEETING TO REVIEW IT. IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WE WOULD LOOK FOR A RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT AND, AND, UM, BUT IF, UH, AGAIN, IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT EVALUATES, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, ELECTRIC ENERGY OPTIONS AND, AND CONFIRMS THAT IT STILL IS, UH, A GAS HEAT THAT'S THE BEST OPTION, THEN UM, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT. BUT WE WOULD LOOK FOR THAT DOCUMENTATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WERE THREADING BETWEEN LIKE PURELY A WISHLIST OR MAKING US OURSELVES FEEL BETTER VERSUS LIKE BURDENING THEM TOO MUCH. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD BALANCE. AND ANDREW, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE CHECK THIS BEFORE WE ISSUE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, RIGHT? THAT ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE MET AND THAT THEY'VE MADE THAT WELL THIS IS ACTUALLY BEFORE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. PERMIT. PERMIT, YEAH. RIGHT. MM-HMM . OKAY, GREAT. ARE WE SATISFIED HERE THEN WITH NOW 22 AS IT ADDRESSES THE ELECTRIC EVALUATION, MAKING THE WHOLE SPOT. OKAY. GREAT. THEN GOING TO OUR COLOR PALETTE CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, UH, EXISTING LANGUAGE. OH, THANK YOU. DO WE WANNA CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE HIGHLY REFLECTIVE NATURE OF THE WHITE? I MIGHT EVEN SUGGEST WE REMOVE ENHANCED VIS VISUAL INTEREST. LIKE I, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH VARIETY AND VISUAL INTEREST IN THE CURRENT PALETTE. IT'S MORE JUST THE REFLECTIVITY THAT MAYBE A CONCERN. GREAT. YEAH. IF, IF WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE VISUAL INTEREST, THEN LET'S NOT ASK FOR MORE. SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, WHAT WOULD WE LIKE THERE WITH A FOCUS? SO COLOR PALETTE ALTERNATIVES WITH A FOCUS ON REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF REFLECTIVE COLORS. I DON'T KNOW IF HIGHLY REFLECTIVE MAKES THE CUT WHITE OR YEAH. HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH FOLKS? YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT 24. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY, GREAT. SO THAT COVERS US ON OUR COLOR PALETTE CONVERSATION. AND THEN I WILL, WE, WE SATISFIED OURSELVES ON WHAT WAS ONE 14? WE INVITED, UM, BETTY AND BERNICE TO THE PARTY. SO THAT ONE WAS ALL GOOD ON THE TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, EXPLORATION. RIGHT. OKAY. GOOD. THEN DO WE DO VINYL WINDOWS YET? THANKS. YOU'RE, THANK YOU EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT MAYBE OPTIONS OR WHERE DO YOU WANT JUST GRAMMAR INSTALLATION OF NON VINYL WINDOW OPTION A NON YES. MM-HMM [03:25:01] . YOU WANT AN S ON THE END OF THAT? I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I'M ASSUMING, YEAH, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD JUST BE ONE, ONE WINDOW TYPE THAT THEY WOULD INSTALL. BUT WE CAN ADD OPTIONS. SO YOU CAN PUT AN A LIKE AN INSTALLATION OF A NON VINYL WINDOW OPTION. THIS IS STUPID GRAMMAR. THIS IS THAT'S, IT'S OKAY WITH YOU WE'RE HERE FOR, YEAH. OKAY. YOU MAY HAVE OVERTHOUGHT THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THEN I THINK MY LAST ONE, UH, WHICH IS A BIGGIE, IS THE PERMEABLE SURFACES EXPLORATION. AND THAT IS IN THERE, UM, GO TO CONDITION 11. YEP. NEW CONDITION 11. THERE YOU GO. SO TO COMMISSIONER SEN'S POINT ABOUT SHALL VERSUS, UM, RECOMMEND OR CONSIDER THE, THE, THIS CONDITION DOES READ THAT THEY SHALL CONDUCT A SOIL STUDY AND EVALUATE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPLEMENT PERMEABLE SURFACES. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT THEM, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO THE ANALYSIS IN ORDER TO DETERMINE IF, IF IT'S A VIABLE OPTION. AND YOU'LL CHECK ON THAT ANALYSIS BEFORE ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT, CORRECT. RIGHT? MM-HMM . COULD IT BE THAT IT'S CAPTURED IN ANOTHER LIKE GEOTECH OR ANOTHER SITE ANALYSIS THEY'RE DOING ALREADY? POTENTIALLY. POTENTIALLY. AND DOES THIS LEAVE US THE LEEWAY TO HAVE THAT SO THAT IF THEY DO A, JUST AN EXISTING SOIL ANALYSIS FOR WHATEVER REASON AND ENTITLEMENTS THEY CAN USE THAT, THOSE RESULTS TO, INSTEAD OF IMPLYING A SPECIFIC SEPARATE SOIL STUDY? I'M, I'M OPEN TO, TO, UH, IF THE APPLICANT HAS THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU'VE DONE A SOIL YES. A SOIL STUDY ALREADY. RIGHT. BUT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER ONE WITH YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, I BELIEVE. WELL, YEAH. WE CERTAINLY PLEASE COME TO THE MIC. THANK YOU. IT COULD EVEN BE, APPLICANT SHALL SHARE RESULTS FROM A VALID SOIL STUDY, SOIL STUDY. SO THAT IMPLIES IF THERE'S ONE ALREADY DONE THAT WOULD GIVE US THE INFORMATION WE NEED. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY PROVIDE, YEAH, SO APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE, UM, RIGHT. SO PROVIDE COVERS. IF THEY NEED TO CONDUCT ONE, THEY WILL. AND IF THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT, IT'S, IT'S PART OF ANSWERING THIS QUESTION. YEAH. WELL, NO, WE C WE CERTAINLY HAVE A GEOTECH REPORT THAT WE CAN REFER TO ON THAT. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, UM, WE CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO EXPLORE IT AND, AND, AND, BUT THERE COULD BE A COST COMPONENT TO IT THAT NONE OF US ARE AWARE OF RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT THAT COULD JUST PUSH THE NEEDLE IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY. SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE QUOTATIONS. AND IF THE COST IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN OPT OUT OF THAT REQUIREMENT, HOW DOES THAT FEASIBILITY LANGUAGE FEEL TO ADDRESS THAT MAYBE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY? I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD FEEL LIKE PLANNING STAFF WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO LOOK RECEIVE FROM THE APPLICANT. GREAT. LOOK GOOD TO EVERYBODY. OKAY. THAT IS MY LIST. IS THERE ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR FULL COUNT NOW IS OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, SO I'M NOT EXPECTING US TO READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. UM, WE HAD A CONDITION REGARDING ACCESS DURING OH YES, THANK YOU. SORRY. I ABSOLUTELY HAVE THAT. NOT CROSSED OFF YET. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ACCESS. UM, GO TO NEW CONDITION 30 EMMANUEL. THERE YOU GO. WELL, I, UH, YEAH, CONDITION 30. SO SUB E SUB E SCROLL A BIT. YEAH. SO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEN THERE YOU GO. RIGHT. I AM REMEMBERING THAT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION IN PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT CURRENT ACCESS TO THAT TRAIL AT OAK CREEK, WHICH WHEN I TOOK A SPIN AROUND THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A PRETTY SCARY NO TRESPASSING SIGN, . UM, SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT IT IS INDEED PUBLIC ACCESS, BOTH THE CURRENTLY EXISTING PATH AND THE ONE BEING BUILT. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LANGUAGE OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE, UM, FOLKS CAN SPEAK TO ABOUT THAT. [03:30:03] NO TRESPASSING SIGN AT OAK CREEK. YEAH, AND MANUEL AND I DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT AND, AND WE WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT, UM, IT IS INVITING. THERE ARE NO SIGNAGE ISSUES THERE AT ALL. YEP. AND, AND I THINK THAT IS A CONDITION, ISN'T IT? YEAH, WE COULD PROBABLY CLARIFY IT. SO, CONDITION NUMBER 10, WHICH IS UP ON THE SCREEN, WHICH MAY WANT TO EXPLICITLY STATE REMOVE AND DON'T PUT UP ANY NO TRESPASSING SIGNS OR PROVIDE WAY FINDING SIGNS AND PARKING, I THINK IS THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE CURRENT SITE MAKES IT QUITE INTIMIDATING TO POTENTIALLY PARK AND USE THAT TRAIL. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING AROUND THE ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC AT THOSE PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS. YEAH, I THINK ADDING STUFF ABOUT SIGNAGE, LIKE HONESTLY ENCOURAGING USE OF THE TRAIL AND LIKE EXPLICITLY PROHIBITING DISCOURAGING USE OF THE TRAIL. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, SO IS FULLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND INVITING AND IS ACCESSIBLE VIA SIGNED. ANDREW, DO YOU WANNA TACKLE NO, I WAS SORRY. I WAS, UH, LOOKING AT IT IN GOOGLE MAPS , UM, WELL, I WAS THINKING THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, SO, OKAY. SO WE GO BACK UP TO NUMBER 10, WHICH WE WROTE, WE ADDED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, RIGHT? AND WE, WE COULD JUST ADD A NEW CONDITION THAT SAYS APPLICANT WILL PROV PREPARE A, UH, WAY FINDING SIGN TO, UH, DIRECT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO THE, TO THE TRAILS AND REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, EXISTING NON TRESPASSING SIGNS THAT MADE, DOES THAT GET US INTO TROUBLE WITH THE EIR THAT DID NOT ENTERTAIN SIGNAGE? I'M NERVOUS. NO, NO. OKAY. NO WAYFINDING SIGNS ARE BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF SE SIGNAGE. YES. DO WE, WAS THIS ADDRESSED IN THE, IN THE, UM, THE COUNCIL REVIEW? IT WASN'T, NOT, NOT, NOT THAT I, SO WHAT WAS ADDRESSED IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE RIVER TRAIL. UM, SO THE PLANS SHOW PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION OR, OR DISCUSSION, AND THIS IS SECONDHAND, I WAS NOT AT THOSE MEETINGS REGARDING CONCERN ABOUT THE EXISTING SIGNS OR JUST THE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MR. JOHNSON, HE DID INDICATE THAT ONE OF THEIR PRIOR PROPERTY MANAGERS WAS, WAS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE AND CHASING AWAY FOLKS THAT WERE NOT FROM, YOU KNOW, WERE NOT RESIDENTS OF, OF THE, UH, OAK CREEK APARTMENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE, MAY HAVE JUST BEEN TRYING TO ACCESS THE PUBLIC TRAIL. OKAY. BUT ON, BUT ON THE OAK CREEK APARTMENTS PROPERTY, WE DO HAVE A, A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT RECORDED, RIGHT. SO, UH, ALONG THE, WHERE THAT PARK IS. YEAH. AND THE TRAIL ALONG THE, THAT'S, THAT'S IN A PUBLIC, UH, UTILITY AND ACCESS EASEMENT? CORRECT. OKAY. I, I THINK CHAIR AND, AND COMMISSIONERS TO, TO AVOID SORT OF GETTING OUR WIRES CROSSED ON A PROJECT APPROVAL AND THEN TRYING TO MANAGE ISSUES ON AN ADJACENT PROJECT THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SEPARATE PROJECT. I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD RATHER DO IS WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT IS IMPLEMENTED AS IT'S REQUIRED TO BE IMPLEMENTED, BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD AND THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED THE, THE EASEMENT AND WE JUST NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT AND ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE OAK CREEK CURRENTLY EXISTING PUBLIC TRAIL THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO STAY OPEN THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION AND OUGHT TO BE WELCOMING AND, UH, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC NOW AND FOREVER. UM, IN TERMS OF SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL IN SID COMMONS, THEN NUMBER 10, THEN WE'RE IN NUMBER 10, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. RIGHT. AND, AND ADDITIONALLY THOSE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS AND, AND, UH, CITY ENGINEER CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT GIVES US UNLIMITED ACCESS, PROBABLY FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET, [03:35:01] UH, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE EASEMENT. SO, SO NARROWING OUR SCOPE, OUR FOCUS HERE ON NUMBER 10, WHICH RELATES TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT FOR SID COMMONS, DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE ANY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE REGARDING THE WELCOMING NATURE OF THAT PUBLIC TRAIL, OR ARE WE OKAY WITH HOW 10 READS AS IS? IT'S FINE. OKAY. WE'RE OKAY WITH 10 AND WE'RE NOT SWEATING OR DO WE WANNA ADD, UM, WAYFINDING CONDITIONS? I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST IT BECAUSE THE CITY IS WORKING ON ITS BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN WAYFIND. GOOD POINT. SIGNAGE. AND SO IT WOULD ALLOW, IT WOULD ALLOW THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITY SIGNAGE. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE SATISFIED WITH 10 AS IS. WE WILL STAY SILENT ON THE NOTION OF WAYFINDING IN THE INTEREST OF THE UNIFIED CITY EFFORTS AROUND THAT. AND SEPARATE FROM ALL OF THIS, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE OAK CREEK TRAIL IS ADEQUATELY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. GOOD. AND I'LL JUST SAY, I BELIEVE WE EVEN HAVE AN EXISTING CODE CASE ON THAT RIGHT NOW, SO YEAH. GREAT STAFF ARE ON IT. GLAD TO HEAR THAT. I HAVE REACHED THE END OF MY LIST. ANY OTHER NOTES, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? THE ONLY OTHER THING I HEARD WAS THE PULLING BUILDING THREE AND FOUR BACK FROM, UH, PULLING IT BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN SOMETHING FOR. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID A STRAW POLL ON THAT, WOULD WE? SO LET'S DO ONE. UM, IS THERE AN APPETITE ACROSS THE COMMISSION TO POTENTIALLY EXPLORE THE RELOCATION OF BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR? SHOW OF HANDS, AND I'LL ADD IN THERE, IS THAT CONTINGENT ON LIKE, EXPLORING OTHER FLOOD MODELS TO SHOW KIND OF THE NECESSITY FOR DOING THAT? OR JUST BEST PRACTICE EXPLORE MOVING IT JUST TO HIT, JUST THINKING OF A GOALPOST FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE LIKE MOVING IT JUST, IF IT IS IT FEASIBLE, I THINK IS, IS MORE THE THING THAT I'M THINKING OF. UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, SURE. I, I MEAN, I'D, I'D SUPPORT IT AS LIKE THE SOFTEST POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE IT AND MEET WITH PLANNING. BUT YEAH, THAT'S TOO, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANNA PUT A NON-LEGAL, THAT, THAT THE, THE STUFF THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT, THAT LETTER IS A, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. IT'S NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO USE THAT AS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO FOLLOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, CONCERN ABOUT HOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR WORK AND THEIR RESEARCH METHODOLOGY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT. UM, I THINK THE STRAW POLL HAS FAILED, SO WE CAN PUT THAT DOWN. SO THAT BRINGS US TO A GRAND TOTAL OF HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL . SO THERE ARE TWO OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD. SOME MINOR, UH, BASICALLY TYPOGRAPHICAL LAYERS. NUMBER 77. UM, YEP. MAYBE I ALREADY MENTIONED THIS ONE. AND THEN, UH, CONDITION NUMBER, WHAT IS NOW 1 32. OOPS, NOT 1 32. WHERE DID IT GO? UH, FORMERLY 1 32, UM, DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROJECT. IS THAT, SO THAT WAS ALSO AN ERROR. UH, SO THE, AND THEN THERE WAS THE ABOUT ABOVE TYPO. YES. ROLL BACK UP TO TH 1 32 REAL QUICK. THAT'S A HOLDOVER FROM A PREVIOUS SPAR THAT JUST DOESN'T BELONG TO THIS SID COMMONS AT ALL. YEAH. A COPY AND PASTE ERROR. IT HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF US. UH, SO WE ARE AT 144 CONDITIONS, 144 CONDITIONS, WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE US ALL READ HERE AT 9 45, BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE QUITE A SUFFICIENT JOB IN WORDSMITHING THE ONES THAT WE THOUGHT DESIRED ATTENTION AND HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE BULK OF THEM AHEAD OF THE MEETING. SO I BELIEVE CHAIR, I WOULD, BEFORE WE, WE, BEFORE WE CONCLUDE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANTS ON RECORD AS, AS AGREEING TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT AS WELL FOR THE RECORD. YES, WE AGREE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING MUCH NEEDED NEW HOUSING TO PETALUMA. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, [03:40:01] STAYING POWER ON THIS PROJECT AND YEAH. AND YOUR, AND YOUR STEPS TONIGHT. UM, SO I THINK WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION ON THESE 144 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF, UH, ALL 144, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND CLERK IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE A VOTE. COMMISSIONER EBNER, UH, YES. APPROVED COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS INCLUDES, SORRY, UH, NOT ONLY THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT THE RESOLUTIONS, LIKE THE SPA RESOLUTIONS. OKAY. LET'S BACK UP AND REDO THE MOTION PLEASE. UH, SO THIS IS A MOTION FOR THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS DISCUSSED TONIGHT. THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. I WOULD CHAIR, I WOULD, I WOULD PHRASE IT AS, AS APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, INCLUDING CONDITIONS OF REQUIRED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. OKAY. DO I HEAR THAT MOTION AS, UH, STATED BY STAFF MEMBER DRAW? UH, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, AND THE, UH, LINE ADJUSTMENT, LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, UM, INCLUDING THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND SECOND. THANK YOU. I SECOND. I SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. AND NOW A ROLL CALL VOTE. THANK YOU EVERYONE. COMMISSIONER EBNER APPROVED. YEAH. COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN? YES. COMM COMMISSIONER NEWELL? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER SHIELD? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL. AYE. CHAIR MOSES? YES, IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THAT MEETING ITEM AND WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH MEETING ITEM FOUR. I'LL TAKE A QUICK PAUSE TO LET THE APPLICANT PACK UP AND WHOEVER ELSE WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME. THANKS EVERYBODY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE CONTINUING ON. WE'VE ALREADY DONE MEETING ITEM FOUR, UM, WHICH TAKES US TO COMMISSION COMMENTS. ANYONE HAVE [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMISSION, COMMENT TO SHARE? I'LL START AT THE END WITH COMMISSIONER HILT. NO COUNCIL MEMBER. ANY, ANY COMMENTS? UM, NO, I'M GOOD. OKAY. NO, I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANYTHING EITHER. NONE? NONE. NO. OKAY. COMMISSION COMMENT. WE'LL CLOSE AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO [STAFF COMMENT] STAFF COMMENT IF THERE'S ANY STAFF COMMENT FROM ANDREW TRIPLE. GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST A, A COUPLE OF BRIEF COMMENTS. WE, UM, WE'LL BE, UH, ISSUING A NOTICE OF CANCELLATION FOR THE AUGUST 12TH MEETING, WHICH IS THE FIRST, UH, REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST. AND, UH, BUT WE ARE PLANNING TO HOLD THE AUGUST 26TH MEETING. UM, THE MEETING ON AUGUST 26TH WOULD CONSIST OF A, UH, PRESENTATION OF, UM, RECENT AND, AND CURRENT AND CURRENT HOUSING LEGISLATION THAT IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO, UM, THEN THE FORTHCOMING, UH, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE AND HOUSING ELEMENT AMENDMENTS THAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING. SO THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE INTO THERE, I THINK MOVE INTO A STUDY SESSION OF THAT AMENDMENTS PACKAGE THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING THAT WILL BEGIN, UM, OR WE'LL CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS CERTIFIED IN, UH, 2023. UM, AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO SEPTEMBER, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS AT BOTH, UH, THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH AND SEPTEMBER 23RD. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS AUGUST 4TH ON WITH THE JOINT CITY COUNCIL. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. SURE. WE, WE DO HAVE A, A JOINT, UH, STUDY SESSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 4TH, BEGINNING AT 5:00 PM 5:00 PM RIGHT. AND SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE A STUDY SESSION REVIEW OF THE, UH, PROPOSED PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WITH THE ANTICIPATED END OF SIX 30, DO WE THINK? RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS A, A VERY, UM, AGGRESSIVE AGENDA THAT EVENING, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIT THE STUDY SESSION IN TO KEEP THE PROJECT ON SCHEDULE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME RESPECT, UH, [03:45:01] THE, THE WORK BEFORE THE COUNCIL, OTHERWISE. OKAY. AUGUST 4TH, 5:00 PM AND THEN DYLAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY BROWN ACT TRAININGS TO ANNOUNCE? YES, THERE SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW, AN INVITATION PRETTY SOON FROM THE CITY CLERK, BUT WE DO PLAN ON DOING A BROWN ACT TRAINING, THE NEW RULES OF DECORUM, UH, CONFLICTS PUBLIC RECORDS ACT THAT I THINK FORM 700 TRAINING ON LIKE AUGUST 13TH. SO I THINK THAT'S FOR ALL THE CCBS, CCBS, WHAT WE CALL THE COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS. BUT SO EXPECT AN INVITE PRETTY SOON. EXCELLENT. ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENT? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT STAFF COMMENT? AND THAT TRAINING WILL BE IN PERSON, BUT ALSO RECORDED IN PERSON AND RECORDED FOR AUGUST 13TH? CORRECT. GREAT. PRETTY SURE. OKAY. LOOKING FOR FINAL. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN HERE AT NINE 50. THANKS EVERYONE. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.