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          RECORDING IN PROGRESS, 
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AND 
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NOW WE START. 
          AND GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO, TO THE RE TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY, AND A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PETALUMA JOINT MEETING OF THE PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT. 
          UM, IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON ANYTHING THIS EVENING, THERE ARE CARDS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WHICH YOU CAN FILL OUT AND BRING TO OUR CLERK IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. 
          AND, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WE'LL HAVE YOU, UH, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON CERTAIN ITEMS. NOW, UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MONICA GALVEZ AND MARTIN VOLLA TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD EVENING. 
          INTERPRET. 
          WE ARE READY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND IT MUST BE, UH, QUITE THE MEETING TO HAVE SUCH A FULL HOUSE. 
          AND, UH, SO I'M FLATTERED YOU'RE ALL HERE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CLERK TO TAKE ROLE FOR OUR JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'LL START WITH COUNSEL BARNACLE PRESENT. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          HERE. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID CARLY? HERE NOW. 
          HERE. 
          QUINT? HERE. 
          SHRIVES HERE. 
          AND MCDONALD HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR COUNCIL. 
          AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          EBNER. 
          HERE. 
          GOLDMAN? HERE. 
          MOSES? HERE. 
          NEWELL HERE. 
          RACON HERE. 
          AND HILT HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR BOTH BODIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LET'S STAND FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE, A NATION UNDER GOD, AN INDIVISIBLE FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. 
          HONOR ALL AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE PLEASE. 
          [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)]
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AND, UM, SINCE IT'S THE AGENDA IS THE WORKSHOP AND THEN ALL THE COUNCIL BUSINESS, THIS, UH, ELEMENT IS JUST FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL, BUT I'D LOOK LIKE TO LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DIVES AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY REVISIONS TO NEED TO BE MADE TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT NIGHT. 
          AND LOOKING AT COUNSEL, I'M, UH, NOT SEEING ANY, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT OUR ITEMS 12 AND 13, BOTH HAVING TO DO WITH THE DANCO DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORONA SMART STATION, ARE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUSH THEM TOGETHER INTO ONE ITEM ABOUT ALL THE FINANCING OF THAT. 
          SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM, WE'LL SEE THEM BEING HANDLED AS ONE ITEM. 
          AND THAT LEADS 
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US TO ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE EVENING, IF YOU WILL, UM, TO, WE'D LIKE TO OFFER A PROCLAMATION TO THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE CAPTAIN JOSHUA BIRCH, THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE TRAINING CENTER, PETALUMA TO THE PODIUM WHILE WE READ THE PROCLAMATION. 
          AND ANY COMMENTS, UH, AFTER WOULD BE WELCOME, CAPTAIN. 
          WHEREAS UNITED STATES COAST GUARD IS ONE OF AMERICA'S SIX ARMED FORCES AND TRACES. 
          ITS FOUNDING TO AUGUST 4TH, 1790, WHEN THE FIRST CONGRESS AUTHORIZED CONSTRUCTION OF 10 VESSELS TO ENFORCE TARIFF AND TRADE LAWS PREVENT SMUGGLING AND PROTECT FEDERAL REVENUE. 
          AND WHEREAS TODAY'S COAST GUARD IS THE NATION'S OLDEST CONTINUOUS MARITIME SERVICE, WHICH DURING ITS 235 YEAR HISTORY HAS BEEN KNOWN AS THE UNITED STATES LIGHTHOUSE SERVICE, THE REVENUE CUTTER SERVICE, THE STEAMBOAT INSPECTION SERVICE, AND THE BUREAU OF NAVIGATION, AND THE BUREAU OF MARINE INSPECTION AND NAVIGATION. 
          AND WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD TRAINING CENTER TRACING PETALUMA LOCATED 
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10 MILES FROM THE CITY, STANDS AS THE LARGEST COAST GUARD TRAINING CENTER ON THE WEST COAST, AND SERVES AS A CRUCIAL PILLAR IN THE EDUCATION, DEVELOPMENT AND READINESS OF COAST GUARD PERSONNEL. 
          WHEREAS ON FEBRUARY 27TH, 2025, THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD DESIGNATED PETALUMA AS A COAST GUARD CITY, AND WE PROUDLY HONOR THE SERVICE SACRIFICE AND STEADFAST COMMITMENT OF ALL WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD, ESPECIALLY THOSE AT THE TRACE IN PETALUMA. 
          AND WHEREAS TRACE IN PETALUMA EMBODIES THE US COAST GUARD CORE VALUES OF HONOR, RESPECT, AND DEVOTION TO DUTY, AND NOT ONLY PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN NATIONAL DEFENSE AND HOMELAND SECURITY, BUT ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY ENRICHES THE FABRIC OF THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY THROUGH ECONOMIC, CIVIC, AND SOCIAL CONTRIBUTION. 
          AND WHEREAS THE CITY EXPRESSES GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION FOR THE FAITHFUL AND DISTINGUISHED SERVICE OF CAPTAIN MATTHEW CHONG, WHO SERVED AS COMMANDING OFFICER AT TRACE AND PETALUMA FROM JUNE, 2022 UNTIL JUNE, 2025, AND WHOSE LEADERSHIP COMMITMENT INTEGRITY LEFT THE LASTING IMPACT ON THE COAST GUARD COMMUNITY. 
          WHEREAS THE CITY CONGRATULATES AND WELCOMES CAPTAIN JOSHUA BIRCH AS THE NEW COMMANDING OFFICER AT TRA. 
          AND LOOKS FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR SPECIAL PARTNERSHIP THAT STRENGTHENS BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COAST GUARD MISSION. 
          AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY HONOR, CELEBRATE, AND RECOGNIZE AUGUST 4TH, 2025 AS COAST GUARD DAY, AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN EXPRESSING GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD AND THE ENTIRE RACON PETALUMA COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ON A BEHALF OF BOTH MYSELF, UH, THE COAST GUARD CAPTAIN CHONG, I WANNA THANK YOU MAYOR MCDONALD, UH, VICE MAYOR NOW, AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND LEADERSHIP. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND HONORING US AS WE CELEBRATE OUR 235TH BIRTHDAY. 
          IT WAS GREAT TO SEE VICE MAYOR NOW AND THE REST OF THE CITY MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES JOIN US LAST FRIDAY FOR COAST GUARD DAY TO CELEBRATE THAT EVENT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO HOSTING THE REST OF YOU WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'VE ONLY BEEN AT THE TRAINING CENTER FOR A FEW WEEKS, BUT IT IS ALREADY EVIDENT THAT THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF PETALUMA IS THE BEST HOST COMMUNITY THAT A COMMANDING OFFICER COULD HOST HOPE FOR. 
          SINCE TAKING OVER TO ROCK STATION FROM THE US ARMY IN 1971, OUR TRAINING CENTER HAS GROWN TO BECOME A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR TECHNICAL COMPETENCY AND LEADERSHIP TRAINING WITHIN THE COAST GUARD. 
          WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY DESIRED ASSIGNMENT LOCATIONS ACROSS OUR ORGANIZATION, AND THAT IS DUE IN NO SMALL PART TO THE OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE ARE LOCATED. 
          THE CITY LEADERSHIP SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND RESIDENTS HAVE A WELL-KNOWN REPUTATION FOR OUTSTANDING SUPPORT TO OUR COAST GUARD STAFF, FAMILIES, AND STUDENTS. 
          I HOPE TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON OUR STRONG RELATIONSHIP AS WE CELEBRATE OUR FIRST YEAR OF PETALUMA BEING AN OFFICIAL COAST GUARD CITY. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE FORMAL RECOGNITION THIS EVENING, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR NEXT VISIT, HOPEFULLY ON FISH FRIDAYS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR . 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW, UM, WE'RE 
          [1.
 Recommendation to the City Council and Planning Commission of the City of Petaluma to Receive a Staff Presentation and Provide Feedback on Design Concepts and Site Development for the Petaluma Public Safety Facility Project (C11202431)]
MOVING TO A WORKSHOP THAT'S THE JOINT SESSION OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SOMETHING THAT MOST OF US HAVE BEEN REALLY ANTICIPATING AND AND LOOKING FORWARD TO. 
          AND IT IS A RECOMMENDATION BY THESE TWO BODIES TO RECEIVE A STAFF REPORT AND TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON DESIGN CONCEPTS AND SITE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN THE ITEM OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER, BECKY FLYNN, TO, UH, LEAD US INTO THIS GREAT TOPIC. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          CITY COUNCIL, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, COMMUNITY STAFF. 
          TONIGHT MARKS AN HISTORIC AND SEMINAL MOMENT IN OUR CITY'S FUTURE. 
          RARELY DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING COUNCIL IN THEIR ADVISORY BODY TOGETHER FOR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. 
          IT IS A ONCE IN A MULTI-GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO BE PREPARING FOR A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY FOR PETALUMA IN OVER 40 YEARS IN 2020, WE HAD SUCH A MOMENT WHEN THE COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY OUR COMMUNITY APPROVED MEASURE U, WHICH TOOK US FROM FACING FINANCIAL DEVASTATION TO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTING TO OUR FISCAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL SUSTAINABILITY AND ALLOWING US TO BEGIN TACKLING $200 MILLION WORTH OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OF OUR STREETS, PUBLIC SPACES, AND PUBLIC FACILITIES. 
          WHILE MEASURE U IS NOT THE PANACEA FOR ALL OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IT, ALONG WITH MEASURE H, THE COUNTYWIDE FIRE REVENUE MEASURE WILL ALLOW OUR CITY TO HONOR OUR COMMITMENT TO THE VOTERS AND INVEST IN SUPPORTING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF AND THE RESILIENCY OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES, WE 
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NOW HAVE THE STAFFING, THE TALENT, THE EXPERTISE, THE CENTRALIZED LOCATION ON CITY PROPERTY, THE REVENUE CAPACITY TO MAKE WHAT WAS WISHFUL THINKING FOR MANY COUNCILS BEFORE US A REALITY. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK CHAIR MOSES AND OUR RECENTLY SEATED PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND OUR MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR EMBRACING THIS JOINT SESSION. 
          AND OUR CITY TEAM LOOKS FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THIS EXCITING AND ESSENTIAL COMMUNITY ASSET THIS EVENING. 
          I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JONATHAN SANGER, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM MANAGER TO KICK US OFF. 
          THANK YOU PEGGY MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CITY STAFF. 
          I'M JONATHAN OT, THE ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE CITY FILLING IN THIS EVENING FOR PAUL GAGAN, OUR PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY PROJECT. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE FOR THIS JOINT STUDY SESSION WORKSHOP FOCUSED ON THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY PROJECT. 
          AS PEGGY MENTIONED TONIGHT, I AM JOINED HERE WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR BROADER PROJECT TEAM WHO HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL TO GETTING US TO THIS POINT. 
          THIS PROJECT REFLECTS A TRULY COLLABORATIVE CITYWIDE EFFORT WITH LEADERSHIP AND COORDINATION ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL, AND EXPERT CONSULTANTS. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A JOINT VISION BETWEEN THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND IN MANY CITIES, THESE OF DEPARTMENTS OPERATE IN SILOS. 
          BUT HERE IN PETALUMA, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A STRONG AND COORDINATED PARTNERSHIP. 
          AND THEIR CLOSE COLLABORATION HAS DRIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CO-LOCATED FACILITY THAT STRENGTHENS JOINT RESPONSE, IMPROVES EFFICIENCY, AND ANTICIPATES OUR FUTURE SERVICE NEEDS. 
          UH, WE ARE HERE JOINED HERE TONIGHT BY CHIEF BRIAN MILLER AND CHIEF JEFF SHOCK. 
          WE ALSO HAVE HAD SUPPORT FROM A BROADER CITY TEAM, INCLUDING PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING, FINANCE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND OPEN GOVERNMENT. 
          AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE HELPED US TO STEER THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE TECHNICAL PLANNING, DESIGNED DEVELOPMENT, ENTITLEMENT STRATEGY AND FUNDING COORDINATION. 
          WE'RE ALSO JOINED HERE TONIGHT BY PLANNING MANAGER ANDREW TRIPLE SENIOR PLANNER MIKE JANUS, AND ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR COREY, UH, GARO. 
          WE HAVE BROUGHT IN A TEAM OF EXPERIENCE CONSULTANTS AS WELL, WHICH INCLUDES LPA DESIGN STUDIOS SERVING AS THE PROJECT'S BRIDGING ARCHITECT. 
          AND WITH US TONIGHT IN PERSON ARE HELEN PIERCE AND LANCELOT HUNTER, AND THEY HAVE LED THE DESIGN EFFORT AND PREPARED THE BASIS TO DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE STANDARDS AND THE PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS OF THE FUTURE DESIGN BUILD TEAM. 
          ALSO, WE HAVE DAVID ROSS FROM MAC FIVE, WHO IS AN EXPERIENCED PROJECT MANAGER AND WHO HAS WORKED ON MANY SIMILAR PROJECTS AND IS HERE TO HELPING TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT SCOPE, SCHEDULE BUDGET, AND TO KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING EFFICIENTLY AND TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT TRULY REFLECTS PETALUMA CIVIC IDENTITY. 
          WE'VE ALSO ENGAGED WITH MAD ARCHITECTURE, A LOCAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM WHO IS, UH, WHOSE DESIGN ADVISORY WORK HAS BEEN HELPING US STAY ROOTED IN THE COMMUNITY CONTEXT AND VALUES. 
          THE GOAL OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT, AND TO WALK THROUGH THE KEY DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AS WE, UH, CONTINUE WORKING WITH OUR BRIDGING AND LOCAL ARCHITECTS HERE. 
          WE GREAT. 
          JONATHAN, IF I COULD JUST HAVE YOU SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR OUR TRANSLATORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          UM, HERE'S WHAT WE'LL BE COVERING TONIGHT IN THE JOINT WORKSHOP. 
          WE WILL START WITH A BRIEF WELCOME AND RECAP OF WHY WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, SHARE THE CURRENT DESIGN CONCEPT, AND TO GET YOUR INPUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          FROM THERE, WE WILL WALK THROUGH THE PROJECT BACKGROUND, INCLUDING HOW WE GOT HERE, THE GOALS BEHIND THE PUBLIC SAFETY STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN AND COUNCIL DIRECTION RECEIVED TO DATE. 
          WE WILL THEN SHARE A SNAPSHOT OF THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK THAT HAS HELPED SHAPE THE CURRENT DIRECTION AND TO TALK THROUGH WHY JOHNSON AND KENNELWORTH EMERGED AS THE PREFERRED SITE FOR THE PROJECT. 
          WE'LL THEN EXPLORE THE DESIGN EVOLUTION, COMPARING THE ORIGINAL TEST FIT TO THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT AND APPROACH, FOLLOWED BY A QUICK LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT BUDGET AND HOW THIS PROJECT IS TRULY A COST CONSTRAINED PROJECT. 
          WE WILL ALSO BREAK DOWN FOR ALL OF YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS FIXED DUE TO CODE SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND WHAT IS FLEXIBLE, WHERE COUNCIL INPUT IS ESPECIALLY HELPFUL. 
          AFTER THAT, WE WILL COVER TIMELINE AND NEXT STEPS. 
          INTRODUCE THE DESIGN BUILD DELIVERY MODEL FOR THE PROJECT, AND HEAR A QUICK OVERVIEW FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. 
          THEN WE WILL HAND IT OFF TO HELEN AND LANCELOT WITH LPA TO WALK THROUGH THE CURRENT SCHEMATIC DESIGN. 
          AND FINALLY, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. 
          WITH THAT, I TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF SHOCK VERY MUCH. 
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GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S JEFF SHOCK. 
          I'M YOUR FIRE CHIEF AND I'VE WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR A LITTLE OVER 25 YEARS, AND I JUST WANNA SAY APPRECIATE THE LABOR REPRESENTATION AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT WE HAVE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. 
          AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, UH, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY HAS A LONGSTANDING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. 
          UH, THE POLICE CHIEF AND I WERE BOTH HERE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS ON THE TABLE TO REPLACE A FIRE HEADQUARTERS AT THE OLD CASA GRANDE MOTEL SITE AND A FULL REMODEL WITH THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE, UH, POLICE STATION. 
          THOSE, THOSE PLANS, UH, WENT AWAY IN 2008. 
          AND HERE WE ARE BACK TODAY. 
          UM, MEASURE U AS PEGGY MENTIONED, WAS PASSED IN 2020. 
          UH, IN 2021, THE COUNCIL, NA, THE COUNCIL NAMED PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AS A TOP 10 PRIORITY WITH THAT IN 2022, THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS BOTH DID COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS THROUGH THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME BACK WERE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CURRENT POLICE STATION, THE ADDITION OF A FOURTH FIRE STATION FOR ITS END TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED AND MOVE OUR LADDER TRUCK TO THAT LOCATION TO BE PERMANENTLY STAFFED WITH THAT. 
          IN 2023 WITH COUNSEL'S DIRECTION, WE DEVELOPED A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. 
          AND WITH THAT MASTER PLAN THAT WE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A JOINT POLICE FIRE FACILITY WITH AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER. 
          AND FOR THAT TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY. 
          AT, AT THAT MEETING IN NOVEMBER, COUNCIL PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT INPUT, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER FOR THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. 
          UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS HOW DO WE FUND SUCH A PROJECT? AND IN MARCH OF 2024, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY IN SONOMA COUNTY, AND IT MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BY PASSING MEASURE H, WHICH IS GONNA BE BRINGING OVER FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR IN PERPETUITY TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          UM, SO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS A RESULT OF SEVERAL YEARS OF TECHNICAL PLANNING, COMMUNITY INVESTMENT, AND FOCUSED COUNCIL DIRECTION. 
          EVERY SLIDE WON'T BE THAT LONG, I PROMISE. 
          IT'S MY FIRST ONE AND I FORGOT TO HIT THE CLICKER, SO THERE YOU GO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I JUST COVERED. 
          . 
          SO FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY ASSESSMENT IN 2023, YOU SEE THE SPECIFIC, UH, HIGHLIGHTS. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON FIRE STATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE SAW SHORTFALLS SEISMIC SAFETY, A DA COMPLIANCE GEAR AND APPARATUS STORAGE, GENDER INCLUSIVE ACCOMMODATIONS, BUT ALSO REALLY THE MAIN FOCUS IS CO-LOCATION OF ESSENTIAL SERVICES. 
          AND BEING CENTRALLY LOCATED, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, UM, COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT 10% OF FIRE DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY RESPONSES WERE NOT HANDLED BY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD FIRE STATION, BUT WAS HANDLED BY AN A FIRE STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. 
          SO BY HAVING A CENTRAL LOCATION WITH A LADDER TRUCK AND STAFF, PARAMEDICS WILL HELP WITH THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STAFFING THAT WE NEED. 
          UM, MODERN FACILITIES ALSO SUPPORT HEALTH WELLNESS. 
          THEY HELP WITH THE RECRUITMENT AND HELP US RETAIN EXPERIENCED STAFF AND RECRUIT THE NEXT GENERATION OF FIRST RESPONDERS. 
          THIS MASTER PLAN GAVE US A DATA AND DIRECTION TO SHAPE THE CURRENT DESIGN AND SCOPE OF THE PROJECT YOU'LL BE SEEING TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN MILLER, AMIR, POLICE CHIEF. 
          AND SO AS STATED BY THE CHIEF, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A NEW IDEA. 
          UH, IT WAS A CONVERSATION BEING HAD 10 YEARS BEFORE I STARTED MY CAREER HERE OVER 20 YEARS AGO. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY THE CULMINATION OF DECADES OF PLANNING LONGSTANDING FACILITY NEEDS AND REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO FIND A VIABLE SOLUTION THAT UNTIL NOW, THOSE EFFORTS HAVE FACED CHALLENGES RELATED TO FUNDING, LAND AVAILABILITY, OR SCOPE. 
          UH, TODAY WE'RE IN A REALLY UNIQUELY POSITIONED OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RARE ALIGNMENT OF ALL OF THOSE FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROJECT POSSIBLE. 
          AND SO THE TIME REALLY, TRULY IS NOW WE HAVE A STABLE FUNDING MECHANISMS AS REFERENCED BY MEASURE U AND MEASURE H IN PLACE. 
          WE HAVE A VIABLE SITE THAT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED CITY OWNED AND COMPATIBLE WITH EMERGENCY RESPONSE OPERATIONS, WHICH IS IMPERATIVE. 
          WE HAVE A DEVELOPED A COORDINATED DESIGN CONCEPT THAT REFLECTS BOTH POLICE AND FIRE NEEDS SHAPED THROUGH EXTENSIVE COLLABORATION, WHICH IS UNIQUE AMONGST OUR TWO DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND WE'VE DESIGNED THE SITE IN SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH FUTURE FAIRGROUNDS, MASTER PLANNING IN MIND, MAKING THIS A FORWARD COMPATIBLE COMMUNITY SERVING INVESTMENT. 
          BECAUSE OF THESE FACTORS, WERE POSITIONED TO MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY 
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THAT'S FEASIBLE, COST CONSCIOUS AND COMMUNITY INFORMED. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT TIME IS NOT UNLIMITED. 
          WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE. 
          CONSTRUCTION COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE. 
          MY OPERATIONAL PRESSURES OF A, OF A CONSTRAINED BUILDING CONTINUE TO GROW. 
          AND IF WE DELAY TOO LONG, WE RISK LOSING THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND WITH IT, THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE THIS PROJECT TRULY DELIVERABLE WITHIN THE BUDGET AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE BROADER CIVIC VISION. 
          THAT'S WHY TONIGHT'S CHECK-IN IS SO VITALLY IMPORTANT, AND IT'S A MOMENT FOR US TO VALIDATE DIRECTION AND HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH CONFIDENCE. 
          SO AS MENTIONED, WE KICKED OFF THIS PROJECT WITH A MASTER, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY PLANNING PROJECT YEARS PAST, AND STAFF AND CONSULTANTS EVALUATED MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY, INCLUDING 3 0 7 PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, OR FORMERLY KNOWN AT THE CASA GRANDE MOTEL HOPPER STREET, THE LOT NEXT TO CITY HALL OVER HERE BY THE FIRE PREVENTION OFFICE, UH, INCLUDING WHERE AN OLD, OR SORRY, INCLUDING OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY NEAR WHERE THE OLD FIRE STATION TWO WAS LOCATED ON PAYAN STREET, KENNELWORTH PARK, AND OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          EACH HAD SIGNIFICANT CONSTRAINTS SUCH AS LIMITED SIZE, POOR ACCESS, NON-STRATEGIC LOCATION TO MINIMIZE RESPONSE TIMES, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS HIGH COSTS, AND, UH, THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE, TO THE FUTURE. 
          COMMUNITY GUIDED FAIRGROUNDS USE MASTER PLANNING PRO PROCESS. 
          SO AFTER OUR TEST FITS AND RESPONSE TIME ANALYSIS, JOHNSON AND KENNELWORTH DRIVE STOOD OUT AS THE BEST OPTION. 
          THEY'RE CENTRALLY LOCATED, PROVIDING QUICK ACCESS TO THE FULL CITY, WHICH IS KEY FOR FIRE POLICE AND OUR LADDER TRUCK EMERGENCY RESPONSE. 
          IT'S THE ONLY CITY OWNED SITE LARGE ENOUGH FOR US CO-LOCATING A POLICE FIRE HEADQUARTERS, EOC THAT PROVIDES SECURE PARKING ALL WITHOUT LAND ACQUISITION. 
          AND IT MINIMIZES THE IMPACTS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, USES AND INTEGRATES WELL WITH LONG-TERM MASTER PLANNING. 
          IT HAS ACCESSIBLE EQUITY TO THE ENTIRE CITY, SUPPORTS PHASED GROWTH, SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE, AND OUR CIVIC GOALS OF EFFICIENCY, EQUITY, AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THIS FACILITY IS THE MOST, OR THIS LOCATION IS MOST VIABLE, COST EFFECTIVE AND FUTURE READY LOCATION THAT'S ESSENTIAL FOR THIS FACILITY. 
          AND I'LL NOW TURN IT BACK OVER TO JONATHAN AT THE, AT THE NOVEMBER, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL GAVE CLEAR AND CONSISTENT DIRECTION BUILDING ON FEEDBACK FROM EARLIER DISCUSSIONS. 
          HERE'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE HEARD DURING THAT MEETING. 
          BUILD UP NOT OUT COUNCIL EMPHASIZED THE NEED FOR A MORE COMPACT AND MULTI-STORY FACILITY TO REDUCE THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT AND REFLECT URBAN LAND VALUES COMBINE BOTH FIRE AND POLICE. 
          NOW, NOT LATER, SEVERAL MEMBERS STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSTRUCTING BOTH DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER TO CONTROL COSTS AND TO DELIVER SERVICES MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          THERE WAS A RESOUNDING REQUEST FOR PROJECT COST AND FUNDING CLARITY, AND COUNCIL EMPHASIZED THE NEED FOR A MORE REALISTIC, WELL-SUPPORTED FUNDING PLAN. 
          THE INITIAL ESTIMATE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY AND MEMBERS REQUESTED MORE CLARITY ON ASSU COST ASSUMPTIONS AND FUNDING SOURCES TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT WAS ACHIEVABLE. 
          WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT IN 2023, IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE NEEDED TO REFINE OUR APPROACH. 
          ON THE LEFT. 
          IN ORANGE, WE ARE SHOWING THE ORIGINAL 2023 TEST FIT COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC GAVE CONSISTENT FEEDBACK THAT THE DESIGN WAS TOO SPREAD OUT WITH A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAT FELT SUBURBAN AND NOT SPACE EFFICIENT. 
          AND THERE WERE CONCERNS ALSO ABOUT COST URBAN CHARACTER AND HOW IT WILL FIT IN WITH THE LARGER FAIRGROUNDS CONTEXT. 
          THE UPDATED LPA, OH, SORRY. 
          THE UPDATED DESIGN THAT LPA WILL BE WALKING YOU THROUGH TODAY SHOWS A MORE COMPACT TWO STORY FACILITY THAT UTILIZES VERTICAL SPACE AND SHARED SPACES BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS TO HELP REDUCE THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT. 
          KEY PROGRAM ELEMENTS WERE ALSO RELOCATED UPSTAIRS, LIKE ADMIN OFFICES, THE KITCHEN AND SLEEPING QUARTERS IMPROVED CI CIRCULATION, PUBLIC ACCESS AND SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. 
          THIS REVISED LAYOUT SHOWN IN GREEN, RESPONDS DIRECTLY TO THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTION AND REFLECTS A MORE COMPACT DESIGN. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THIS IS J THIS IS REALLY JUST A SUMMARY OF, OF THE, THE TRANSITION WE MADE AND THE, THE EFFORT WE WENT THROUGH TO, 
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TO REACH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE COUNCIL DIRECTIVES. 
          I THINK THE KEY TAKEAWAY IS BY JUST DOING STANDARD CONCRETE TILT UP CONSTRUCTION BY CHANGING THE, THE MODEL, UM, BY REDUCING SQUARE FOOTAGE, BY, BY SHARING AS MUCH SPACE AS POSSIBLE, UM, DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          THE BIG SIGNIFICANT ONE, WE CAME BACK IN 2023. 
          THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FUNDING WAS THAT THE POLICE STATION WAS TO BE DONE AT A LATER DATE, UH, TO BE DETERMINED AND WITH FUNDING TO BE DETERMINED AT A LATER DATE AS WELL. 
          AND COUNCIL SAID, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. 
          WE NEED BOTH OF THESE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A TARGET DELIVERY DATE OF BOTH STATIONS, THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER WITHIN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS VERSUS THE TO BE DETERMINED TARGET DELIVERY OF 2035. 
          FIVE THANKS. 
          IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE MENTIONED THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS SPECIFICALLY TO SHARE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THE FULL COST OF DELIVERING A CAPITAL PROJECT INCLUDES MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          THIS SLIDE REFLECTS THE TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES ALL PHASES AND SUPPORTING ELEMENTS, NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION. 
          THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST IS APPROXIMATELY 69.8 MILLION. 
          THE LARGEST PORTION OF WHICH ABOUT 55 AND A HALF MILLION IS ALLOCATED TO CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS. 
          THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING PHYSICALLY BUILT ON THE SITE, INCLUDING THE STRUCTURE, INTERNAL SYSTEMS, FINISHES, AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          8.5 MILLION IS ALLOCATED TO DESIGN PLANNING, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, AND LAND RELATED WORK. 
          THIS COVERS THE INITIAL ASSESSMENTS AND MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, SQUA DOCUMENTATION AND DESIGN REFINEMENT. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 2.5 MILLION, WHICH SUPPORTS QUALITY CONTROL, SCHEDULE OVERSIGHT, COORDINATION BETWEEN PROJECT TEAMS AND ENSURING THE DELIVERY MEETS OUR SPECIFICATIONS. 
          WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS CRUCIAL FOR MANAGING UNFORESEEN COSTS AND REDUCING FUTURE BUDGET RISKS. 
          AND THIS SIDE SHOWS THE, UH, FUNDING SOURCES. 
          THE TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT BUDGET IS SUPPORTED THROUGH A DIVERSE MIX OF FUNDING SOURCES, INCLUDING MEASURE U, WHICH PROVIDED THE INITIAL FOUNDATION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT MEASURE H APPROVED BY VOTERS IN 2024 TO ENHANCE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CAPABILITIES. 
          A SECURED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER GRANT TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES, AS WELL AS ANTICIPATED BOND PROCEEDS TO CLOSE THE REMAINING GAP, WHICH WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT A LATER DATE. 
          THESE SOURCES ARE ALREADY INTEGRATED INTO OUR CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LONG-TERM PLANNING. 
          AND THE PROJECT IS BEING ACTIVELY MANAGED TO STAY WITHIN THESE DEFINED RESOURCES. 
          THIS IS A FIXED AND TIGHTLY CONSTRAINED BUDGET. 
          SO EVERY DESIGN AND DELIVERY DECISION MADE, UH, IS MADE WITH COST EFFICIENCY IN MIND WHILE STILL MEETING THE ESSENTIAL OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF BOTH FIRE AND POLICE. 
          THE DESIGN AND PLANNING PROCESS HAS BEEN A CONSTANT BALANCING ACT BETWEEN SCOPE, BUDGET, AND PERFORMANCE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AS THE PROJECT ADVANCES, WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR COST ALIGNMENT AND RETURN TO COUNCIL, AND WE WILL RETURN TO COUNCIL FOR ANY NECESSARY BUDGET ACTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION MILESTONES. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THIS FACILITY IS AT ITS CORE, A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND THAT COMES WITH A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF REQUIREMENTS, MANY OF WHICH ARE DE UH, DICTATED BY ESSENTIAL SERVICES, SERVICE CODES 24 7 OPERATIONS MODEL, AND A REAL WORLD NEED OF FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO START WITH THAT AS THE FOUNDATION OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONALITY DRIVES THE LAYOUT AND THE STRUCTURE OF THIS BUILDING, AND THAT INCLUDES SECURED ACCESS AND CIRCULATION TO SUPPORT POLICE AND FIRE OPERATIONS, APPROPRIATE SEPARATION OF PUBLIC AND STAFF AREAS WITHIN THE BUILDING, DEDICATED SPACES FOR TRAINING DECONTAMINATION AND EMPLOYEE HEALTH SECURED PARKING AND STAGING FOR EMERGENCY, UH, RESPONSE VEHICLES AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING SEISMIC AND EMERGENCY POWER STANDARDS, A CENTRAL LOCATION WITH GOOD RESPONSE TIME COVERAGE. 
          AND IMPORTANT AS THESE ARE, IT'S, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THESE AREN'T DISCRETIONARY ELEMENTS, THEY'RE THE BASELINE FOR HOW THIS BUILDING MUST PERFORM 
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IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, AND THEY'RE WHAT ALLOW OUR DEPARTMENTS TO RESPOND QUICKLY, OPERATE SAFELY, AND SERVE THE PUBLIC EFFECTIVELY. 
          CHIEF SHOCK. 
          THANKS, BRIAN. 
          SO WITH THAT, UM, THERE ARE STILL DESIGN ELEMENTS WHERE INPUT CAN ADD REAL VALUE, ESPECIALLY ON THE CIVIC FACING ASPECTS OF THIS BUILDING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON EXTERIOR MATERIALS AND FINISHES, DEFINING SITE CHARACTER AND ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE, UH, MATERIAL FINISHES AND PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITIES, LANDSCAPE TREATMENTS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AND THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL PRESENCE. 
          WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH A STRONG TECHNICAL DESIGN TEAM, AND WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT IN LOCAL ARCHITECT MARY DOOLEY SPECIFICALLY TO GUIDE CURRENT DESIGN IDEAS THROUGH A COMMUNITY LENS. 
          AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY REFINEMENTS ARE INTENTIONAL AND GROUNDED IN PURPOSE. 
          EVERY DESIGN STUDY WE EXPLORE HAS COST AND TIME IMPLEMENTATIONS IMPLICATIONS. 
          SO THE CLEARER THE DIRECTION, THE MORE EFFECTIVELY WE CAN DELIVER A HIGH QUALITY FACILITY THAT BALANCES PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS AND CIVIC IDENTITY. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE DAVID ROSS WITH MAC FIVE. 
          TERRIFIC, THANKS SO MUCH. 
          PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN BUILD PROJECT DELIVERY MODEL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT AND IN TALKING WITH PAUL, UH, JEGAN PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY, WE SHARE A LOT OF, UH, EXPERTISE WITH THE DESIGN BUILD AND WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ITS EXCEPTIONAL VALUE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT TYPE AND THE DELIVERY NEEDS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, MOST OF THE, SORRY. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          MOST OF THE PROJECTS, UH, DELIVERY IN THE FOR THE CITY HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BUILD METHOD. 
          UH, WE UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAS SERVED YOU WELL, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR PROJECTS WITH A LITTLE LESS, UH, COMPLEX DESIGN CRITERIA AND PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND ONE WHERE SCHEDULE IS NOT THE HIGHEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HERE DUE TO COST ESCALATION AND THE, AND THE DESIRE TO REDUCE THE SCHEDULE DRAMATICALLY TO SAVE MONEY. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT THE, UH, BENEFITS OF THE DESIGN BUILD APPROACH FOR THIS PROJECT REALLY, UH, CENTER AROUND OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL THE PROJECT BETTER FOR YOUR INTERESTS, UH, BRINGS EARLIER AND BETTER COST CERTAINTY TO, TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE THE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT SCOPE IS KNOWN EARLIER, AND THE CONTRACTOR DESIGN BUILD ENTITY IS BROUGHT ON IN AN EARLIER DATE TO, UH, ACTUALLY WORK WITH US AND ASSIST US IN MAINTAINING THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND ACTUALLY MANAGING THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE ECON THE ECONOMIC ADVANTAGES OF A GROUP, UH, UH, UH, DELIVERY PROCESS INVOLVING THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE CONTRACTOR. 
          IT ALSO LIMITS RISK TO THE CITY. 
          IT, IT'S A MODEL THAT, UH, UH, PUTS SOME OF THE RISKS OF SITE AND, AND, UH, UH, ISSUES SUCH AS, UH, UM, CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES, ERRORS AND OMISSIONS BY THE DESIGN ARCHITECT AND SCHEDULE DELAYS UNDER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR RATHER THAN AT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. 
          AND THAT MODEL IS GONNA, UH, ADDITIONALLY PROTECT THE CITY IN TERMS OF COST ESCALATION AND ANY UNKNOWN COSTS. 
          UH, SO RISK MANAGEMENT IS A, A HUGE FACTOR AS WELL. 
          UH, IT ALSO ALLOWS EARLY COORDINATION WITH UTILITIES. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY ON PROJECTS OF THIS SCALE IS THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH THE UTILITY COORDINATION AND APPLICATION PROCESS WITH PG E WATER SERVICE, WASTE MANAGEMENT, ALL THE VARIOUS UTILITIES FOR THE PROJECT. 
          THIS ALLOWS THE DESIGN BUILD ENTITY GO AHEAD AND BEGIN TO MAKE THOSE APPLICATIONS AND PROVIDE, UH, THAT FOR THAT COORDINATION AT A MUCH EARLIER DATE DURING THE DESIGN PHASE. 
          SO THINGS LIKE THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE GENERATOR WITH BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT CAN BE EXPEDITED AND PURSUED DURING THE DESIGN PHASE RATHER THAN WAITING FOR A CONSTRUCTION PHASE APPLICATION LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BILL PROJECT. 
          UH, IT ALSO, UH, ALLOWS FOR PHASED PERMITTING WHERE THE CONTRACTOR CAN COME IN AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION WITH DEMOLITION AND GRADING WHILE THE DESIGN IS STILL BEING FINALIZED AND PERMITTED, UH, SAVING ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND SAVING TIME IS SAVING MONEY. 
          UM, IT ALSO BRINGS THE DESIGNER AND BUILDER ONTO THE SAME TEAM, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PAUL AND I BOTH HAVE FOUND VERY BENEFICIAL, UM, WHICH HELPS WITH 
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ALIGNMENT AND COORDINATION OF THE PROJECT WITH THE CONTRACTOR AT AN EARLIER STAGE. 
          UM, I ALSO WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHEDULE. 
          WE'VE GOT A, UH, TIGHT TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECT, VERY AMBITIOUS AND, AND AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE. 
          WE ARE, UH, SINCE THE, UH, 2024, UH, THREE STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN, THE CITY'S BEEN MOVING FORWARD AND BROUGHT MAC FIVE, UH, INTO THE PROJECT IN LATE 2024. 
          AND WE SUBSEQUENTLY BROUGHT LPA DESIGN STUDIOS ON BOARD AS THE BRIDGING ARCHITECT SHORTLY AFTER. 
          UM, SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE, IN THE DESIGN PHASE AT A STRATEGIC POINT FOR INPUT FROM CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SCHEDULE, WE REALLY FEEL THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO BRING YOU THIS UPDATE WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO. 
          UM, BUT KNOWING THAT, THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO KEEP MOVING AND KEEP, KEEP PROGRESSING WITH THE DESIGN BUILD, UH, PROCESS. 
          AND, AND THAT, THAT OUR NEXT PHASE WOULD BE TO, UH, BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, BEGIN TO PUT, FINALIZE THE DESIGN AND PUT TOGETHER THE BRIDGING DOCUMENT PACKAGE, WHICH IS, SERVES US IN TWO WAYS SO THAT, THAT SERVES US IN AS A PACKAGE THAT GOES OUT TO THE DESIGN BUILD ENTITIES TO ESTABLISH THE, THE PROJECT SCOPE THAT THEY WILL BE PRICING FOR US. 
          BUT IT ALSO IS, UH, USED FOR THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING, UH, APPLICATION AND ALL OF THE CQA AND ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR PRO FOR PROJECT DELIVERIES AT THE PLANNING PHASE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO CONTINUE THAT EFFORT, BUT WE WANTED TO PAUSE AND GIVE YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO CHECK IN, UH, ON THIS. 
          UH, AND WE'LL BE MOVING THROUGH THOSE PHASES AND INTO, UH, AN RFP FOR A DESIGN BUILD ENTITY AND COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A DESIGN BUILD PROPOSAL FOR PROJECT DELIVERY. 
          UM, I THINK THE, UH, WE'VE GOT THAT CURRENTLY SCHEDULED THAT WOULD LIKELY TO COME BACK TO YOU IN FEBRUARY OF 2026 AND BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN 2026 FOR PROJECT DELIVERY IN 2028. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MIKE JANIS AND I'M A SENIOR PLANNER CONSULTING WITH M GROUP. 
          I'LL BE SERVING AS THE PROJECT PLANNER FOR THE ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION. 
          UM, THAT'LL EVENTUALLY, UH, COME BEFORE BOTH REVIEW AUTHORITIES, UH, IN, IN A PUBLIC HEARING FORMAT, UM, AT A LATER DATE. 
          UM, IT IS A SPAR, A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          UM, IT'S FILE NUMBER PLPJ 20 25 0 0 4 1. 
          AND, UH, THIS AFTERNOON I'LL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF THAT ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION. 
          UM, SOME PERTINENT FACTS ABOUT THE LAND USE AND ZONING, UM, THE REQUIRED APPROVALS, UM, THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF REVIEW, AND, UM, AN UPDATE ON, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP, UM, THE SITE BOUNDARY SHOWN IN RED. 
          AND, UM, THERE ARE TWO APPLICABLE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. 
          THE PURPLE IS THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION, AND THE LIGHT BLUE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE IS, UM, PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC, UH, LAND USE. 
          UM, AND AS SUCH, THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICTS ON IN THE PURPLE IS THE MU ONE B OR THE MIXED USE ONE B AND THE CIVIC FACILITY ZONE. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICTS OF THOSE LAND USES. 
          UH, THE HATCHING, UH, REPRESENTS, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY ZONE, AND, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UM, THREE THINGS. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS THAT THE PUBLIC FACILITY, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, EXCUSE ME, THAT USE IS ALLOWED IN BOTH OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, BOTH THE MIXED USE ZONE AND THE, UM, THE CIVIC FACILITY ZONE. 
          UH, THE SECOND IS, UH, THE PURPOSE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY ZONE, UH, IS TO PROVIDE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW BENEFICIAL USES OF THE FAIRGROUNDS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ADOPTED 
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IN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 20 22 1 6 7. 
          THAT'S, UH, ATTACHMENT THREE IN YOUR PACKET THIS AFTERNOON. 
          AND ENSURE THE ONGOING OPERATION OF THE SITE AND ITS USES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE WHILE MASTER PLAN AND ASSOCIATED LAND USE POLICIES AND ZONING ARE PREPARED AND ADOPTED FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY. 
          SORRY, JUST ANOTHER REMINDER FOR THE TRANSLATORS. 
          THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT CAN BE FOUND UNDER IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER, UH, FIVE SECTION ZERO 80. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, THE REQUIRED ENTITLEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT, IT'S, UM, MAJOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UM, THAT IS REQUIRED, UH, BECAUSE A NEW PUBLIC BUILDING IS PROPOSED, UM, AS WELL AS A, SO THAT'S, UH, SECTION 24 0 5 A, UM, A MAJOR, UH, SPARS ALSO REQUIRED BY SECTION, UH, 5 0 80 D SIX FOR MAJOR SITE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY. 
          UM, AND THEN MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW USE PROPOSED IN THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY. 
          UH, THIS REQUIREMENT IS FOUND UNDER SECTION 5 0 80 D FIVE. 
          UM, THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY ZONE ALLOWS NEW USES THAT PROVIDE A BENEFICIAL USE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, AND THAT ARE ALLOWED EITHER BY RIGHT OR CONDITIONALLY WITHIN THE BASE ZONES, UH, TO BE APPROVED. 
          AND, UH, THE FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY IS CITY COUNCIL UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND THAT'S FOUND UNDER IEO SECTION 5 0 80 D. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT'LL REQUIRE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, FIRST WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN THE SECOND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF REVIEW. 
          UM, THE TWO POLICY DOCUMENTS, UH, THAT WILL APPLY ARE THE GENERAL PLAN AS WELL AS THE BIKE AND PED PLAN. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT I MENTIONED AS WELL HAS SOME POLICY REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE APPROVAL CRITERIA ARE THE, THE SPARK APPROVAL CRITERIA, THE CUP APPROVAL CRITERIA. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SET OF APPROVAL CRITERIA, UM, IN THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY FOR THESE NEW USES. 
          UM, AND THAT IS SECTION 5 0 80 AGAIN. 
          SO PLANNING STAFF NOTICED, UH, THIS STUDY SESSION ON JULY 25TH, THERE WAS A, A MAILER, UM, AN ONSITE POSTING AND A, UH, NEWSPAPER NOTICE. 
          UH, 21 COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, UM, AS OF 3:00 PM THIS AFTERNOON, UM, 13 OF WHICH WERE IN SUPPORT. 
          AND THEN EIGHT, EXPRESSING VARIOUS CONCERNS INCLUDING TRAFFIC, ARCHITECTURE, WALKABILITY, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS, LOCATION AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ADDITIONAL OUTREACH EFFORTS INCLUDED A WEBPAGE, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA POST, AND A EMAIL TO THE SUBSCRIBER LIST FOR CITY UPDATES. 
          UM, I WILL MENTION, UH, THERE'S NO ACTION, UM, OR DECISIONS THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY THIS WILL BE REQUIRE DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE A PROJECT UNDER CE QA. 
          THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, NOTHING, UM, FOR, FOR TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE, UH, PLANNING STEPS PRESENTATION, UH, WITH THE FIVE FOCUS FEEDBACK ITEMS YOU SAW IN PREVIOUS SLIDES, UM, THAT THERE'S A REQUEST, UM, FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THE FACADE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, THE OVERALL STYLE AND AESTHETIC AND SOME OF THE, UM, FEATURES OF FACADE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO INTEGRATE PUBLIC ART INTO BOTH THE SITE AND THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO GO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH ON THE LAST THREE, WHICH, UM, HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE ZONING CODE AND, UM, THE SPAR APPENDICES. 
          SO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION IS TYPICALLY ACCUSTOMED TO THE PREVAILING URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLE THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE, UM, DIRECTLY, UH, FRONTING THE STREET AND INTERFACING WITH THE PUBLIC REALM IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, IT'S A SECURITY RISK TO HAVE THE PUBLIC STREET AND THE BUILDING, UM, DIRECTLY ABUTTING. 
          AND SO THERE'S THE PUBLIC, UH, PARKING LOT IS LOCATED, UM, IN, IN BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THERE'S NO REQUIRED FRONT YARD IN EITHER THE CIVIC FACILITY ZONE OR THE MIXED USE ONE ZONE. 
          UM, SO THERE'S NO REGULATION THAT 
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SAYS THE PARKING CAN'T BE LOCATED THERE. 
          HOWEVER, JUST YOU'RE PROBABLY ACCUSTOMED TO, TO SEEING, UM, PARKING LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO THAT'S NOT THE CASE, UM, FOR THIS DESIGN BECAUSE OF THE OPERATIONAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, THE, THE NEXT ITEM, UM, SPAR DOES REQUIRE THAT, UH, LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ARE INCLUDED, ONE FOR EVERY SIX SPACES. 
          THE SECURED LOT IN THE, THE REAR OF THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          UM, THAT'S TO MAXIMIZE MANEUVERABILITY, UH, ENHANCE RESPONSE TIMES. 
          UM, THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR THE REVIEW AUTHORITY TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS FOR INTERIOR PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, ONE THING WE WANNA PRIME YOU GUYS ON WHEN IT COMES BACK. 
          THAT'S, UM, AN EXCEPTION TO THE SPAR STANDARDS THAT WE'LL BE SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL ON. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, UM, IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER THE SITE CAN MEET THE TREE REQUIREMENT. 
          THE TREE REQUIREMENT FOR SPAR IS ONE FOR EVERY FOUR UNCOVERED PARKING STALLS, UH, AND ONE TREE FOR EVERY 500 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. 
          WE'VE, UM, ISSUED THIS COMMENT TO IN THE FIRST ROUND OF REVIEW, WHICH JUST CONCLUDED, UH, LAST WEEK, WE ISSUED, UH, THIS COMMENT TO THE DESIGN TEAM. 
          UM, WE'LL SEE, UH, IF IT CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE THERE IS A CONSTRAINT OF PUTTING TREES ALONG THE SECURITY OF FENCING, UH, 'CAUSE THAT COULD, UM, DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE FENCE TO PROVIDE SECURITY. 
          'CAUSE UH, YOU, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CLIMB THE TREE AND GET OVER THE FENCE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A FUTURE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS DRAFTED BY STAFF, UM, TO PROVIDE TREES, UM, PERHAPS ELSEWHERE ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY OFFSITE, OR, UM, THERE MAY ALSO BE OPPORTUNITIES AS THE, UH, NEXT, UH, REVIEW ROUNDS, UM, OCCUR TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT STANDARD. 
          WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE ULTIMATELY WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE ARCHITECT. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          I'M HELEN PIERCE. 
          I'M WITH LPA DESIGN STUDIOS. 
          I'M AN ARCHITECT. 
          I'M WITH LANCELOT HUNTER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH LPA. 
          NICE TO MEET EVERYONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE IF WE REVIEW SOME THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. 
          SO, UM, JUST BEAR WITH US. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS THE SITE, UH, AS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, REALLY CENTRALLY LOCATED, UH, WITHIN PETALUMA. 
          AND WE REALLY, THE REASON WE KIND OF ZOOM OUT BEFORE WE ZOOM IN IS KIND OF HOW WE WORK AS ARCHITECTS. 
          WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A PLACE BEFORE WE DESIGN, UM, A BUILDING FOR A PLACE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE, UH, WITHIN THE FAR FAIRGROUNDS, AND IT'S SORT OF PROXIMITY TO THE FREEWAY AND THE RIVER AND DOWNTOWN. 
          SO YOU A LITTLE CLOSER. 
          AND THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE WITHIN THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, ITSELF. 
          KEEP ZOOMING IN. 
          UH, THIS IS, UM, A SLIDE TO JUST SHOW SOME OF THE CONTEXT AROUND THE SITE. 
          SO FROM THE UPPER LEFT, THAT'S THE AQUATIC CENTER, UM, AT THE SORT OF BEND OF JOHNSON STREET, UH, TO THE RIGHT IS THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM KENNELWORTH, FROM, UH, OUR SITE, FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          UH, BELOW IS THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, GRANDSTAND THAT, UH, USE, THAT'S PRETTY ICONIC. 
          AND, AND PETALUMA. 
          AND THEN ON THE LEFT IS THE LIBRARY THAT SITS ON THE, ON THE CORNER, UM, UH, ADJACENT TO THE, UH, FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MOST PROXIMATE, UH, CONTEXT TO THE SITE OF, UH, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE FACILITY. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST EN LARGE IMAGES OF, OF EVENTS, SO YOU CAN SEE 'EM LARGER, BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, JUST A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT AND REALLY, I THINK WE'RE SHOWING THESE, 'CAUSE THESE WERE SOMEWHAT INSPIRATIONAL FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          IN TERMS OF HOW WE DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT. 
          WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF CONTEXT OF PETALUMA, AND I THINK ONE THING THAT SORT OF ROSE ABOVE WAS SORT OF THE AUTHENTICNESS OF SOME OF THE, SO RIVERTOWN, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THESE SHEDS THAT IT, THAT, UH, EXISTS ALONG THE RIVER, UM, HAVE THIS SORT OF HONESTY, INTEGRITY TO 'EM. 
          UH, AND THESE ALSO, UH, OCCUR IN AGRARIAN, UH, STRUCTURES TOO, PARTICULARLY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TYPE THAT IS, HAS A SIMPLICITY AND AN HONESTY TO IT THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE REALLY DRAWN TO. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN THE DESIGN, OR YOU ALREADY HAVE SEEN IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND JUST A MORE, UM, LITTLE MORE CONTEXT. 
          THAT'S THE ENTRY TO THE, TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          AND THEN BELOW MORE SORT OF, UM, CONTEXTUAL IMAGES OF, UH, PETALUMA. 
          HERE'S OUR SITE, UH, PROPER. 
          THAT'S THE, UH, SORT OF PERIMETER OF THE SITE ALONG KENILWORTH AND, AND JOHNSON. 
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THIS IS SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE SITE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK, UH, AT DESIGN TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE SUN IS AND WHERE THE SUN'S GONNA GO, TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN, UH, MAKE THE BUILDING AS EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF HOW IT USES ENERGY AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW THE SITE SLOPES SO WE CAN, UM, TAKE CARE OF WATER ON THE SITE IN A REALLY EFFICIENT WAY. 
          UH, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE THE WIND COMES. 
          UM, AS WELL, THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR CIRCULATION ON THE SITE. 
          THE YELLOW IS THE PEDESTRIAN CIRC, OR THE, UH, MULTI-USE TRAIL, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT IS PROPOSED AROUND THE SITE, CONNECTING TO THAT, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, MULTIUSE SLASH MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT, UM, GOES OVER, UH, THE FREEWAY AND THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER AND SORT OF CONNECTS AT THAT INTERSECTION ALONG KENWORTH. 
          SO WE'RE TYING INTO THAT, UM, AS WELL AS ALL THE SORT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AROUND THE SITE. 
          AND, UH, PRIMARY INTERSECTIONS, UH, FOR INSTANCE AT KENWORTH AND JOHNSON AT THE ENTRY TO THE, TO THE SHOPPER CENTER TO THE, TO THE NORTH, AND THEN THE ENTRY TO THE, UH, FAIRGROUNDS THAT'S RIGHT AT THE BEND OF, UH, BEND OF JOHNSON. 
          I'M GONNA HAND IT TO LANCE TO SPEAK TO A FEW SLIDES. 
          FEW. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          SO AS WE'RE LOOKING HERE, WE'RE OUR POSITION TO WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS SLIGHTLY, UH, FURTHER NORTH TOWARDS JOHNSON STREET, ALONG KILWORTH IS THE MULTI-USE, UH, PATH THAT, UH, HELEN MENTIONED. 
          UH, SOUTH OF THE STRUCTURE AND FACILITY ITSELF IS THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING, UH, THE THREE GRAY BARS THAT YOU SEE. 
          THERE ARE ACTUAL SHADE STRUCTURES OVER, UM, PARKING FOR THE FACILITY. 
          WE'LL DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, CLOSER HERE IN REGARDS TO UNDERSTANDING THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR, UH, TRAFFIC TO MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE VEHICULAR PARKING THERE, OR THE SECURED PARKING ON THAT WEST SIDE THERE ALONG THE SOUTH PORTION. 
          UH, ANOTHER ENTRY, UH, OFF OF THE SOUTH OF THE PORTION TO GET INTO THE SECURED PARKING. 
          UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, UM, ARTICULATION OF THE LARGER ENGINE AND UNITS THAT HAVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF LARGER TURNING RADIUSES. 
          SO WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF THE MAIN STREET AND INTO THE SIDE STREET HERE OFF TO THE SOUTH, UM, TO THE NORTH THERE OFF OF JOHNSON WOULD BE OUR ENTRY FOR OUR VISITOR PARKING. 
          UH, THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACILITY. 
          UH, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF, UH, SMALL, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND DESCRIBE IT AS, AS BEST AS I CAN HERE. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE IS THE MAIN ENTRY DRIVE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE EXITING FOR THE LARGER APPARATUS OFF THE JOHNSON STREET THERE. 
          STREET. 
          UM, LEMME SEE THE LASER WORK ON THERE. 
          UH, NO, I DON'T THINK THE LASER WORKS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, UH, BEING THE, UH, ENTRY PLAZA, WHICH ALSO DOUBLES AS A COMMUNITY, UM, EVENT, UH, SPACE, THE DA BEING THAT THIS WANTS TO BE A WELCOMING, UH, PLACE TO WHERE THAT MIGHT EVEN, UH, BE AN AREA WHERE WE CAN FACILITATE A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHERE APPROPRIATE AND OBVIOUSLY IT BEING, UM, A PARKING LOT IN ITSELF. 
          BUT THE IDEA THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS A PLACE THAT CAN FUNCTION AS A, UH, GATHERING SPOT AND BEING THAT BRIDGE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, UH, CENTER IN ITSELF. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE THREE GRAY BARS SOUTH OF THE FACILITY ARE THE COVERED PARKING STRUCTURES FOR, UH, OR THE PARKING, UH, STRUCTURES FOR BOTH THE, UM, FLEET VEHICLE AND FOR THE SERVICE VEHICLES FOR THAT SPACE. 
          AND THEN THE PARKING STALLS. 
          UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT WOULD BE FOR, UH, GENERAL, UH, POV SPACES AS WELL, TOO. 
          UM, ALSO WITHIN THE, UM, THE SPACE OF THE PARKING, UH, THE GREEN, UH, RECTANGLE SPACE YOU SEE AT THE FAR SOUTH IS FOR, UM, OVERFLOW FUTURE PARKING. 
          AND, UH, ALSO DOUBLES AS A SPACE FOR SOME OF OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER EDGE OF THAT. 
          UH, THE AREA, UH, THE AREA ITSELF AS WELL, UH, ON THE FAR, UH, EAST SIDE ALONG KILLINGSWORTH IS A SUPPORT BUILDING THAT FACILITATES, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF SUPPORT, UH, FEATURES, STORAGE IN THAT SENSE. 
          UM, UH, OUR GENERATOR YARD, UM, AND ALSO OUR TRANSFORMER AREA. 
          SO A LOT OF SUPPORT, UH, ELEMENTS WITHIN, UH, THAT EAST SIDE OF, OF THE SITE ITSELF. 
          UH, LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ALSO KIND OF MENTION THAT THE PERIMETER FENCING MAKES ITS WAY, UH, FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING ON THAT EAST SIDE. 
          UH, THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT ABOUT A EIGHT FOOT TALL, UM, UM, UH, PERIMETER FENCE THAT MAKES ITS WAY ALONG THAT, THAT EDGE DOWN TO THE SOUTH, BACK UP ONTO THE WEST. 
          UH, AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, TRANSPARENCY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP A CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES IN REGARDS TO HOW WE'VE, UM, PROVIDE THAT SECURED EDGE ALONG THE PROPERTY. 
          I THINK ALL THAT IS TO SAY, AND HAS BEEN SAID EARLIER THAT THE EFFORT HERE HAS BEEN REALLY TO MINIMIZE THE SIZE OF THE SITE. 
          SO THE PARKING, THAT'S ALL, THE PARKING THAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING IS AS, UM, TIGHT AND AS COMPACT AS WE CAN MAKE IT. 
          UM, AND PROVIDING PARKING FOR THE ESSENTIAL VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE PARKED THERE FOR STAFF AND FOR 
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FLEET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF, UH, VISITOR PARKING TO SERVE THE FACILITY ALONG THE STREET, UM, AS WELL AS JUST MAKING THE BUILDING AS SORT OF CONDENSED AND AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE TO, AGAIN, MINIMIZE THE SITE. 
          SO LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN OF THE FACILITY. 
          EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THAT RED IS, UH, STRICTLY USED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE IS STRICTLY USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, AND THEN EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN GRAY, AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, EFFICIENCY IS A SHARED SPACE BETWEEN FIRE AND POLICE. 
          SO YOU SEE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THIS DESIGN. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF SHARED SPACES, UM, AND, UH, JUST KUDOS TO, UH, BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON, YOU KNOW, COMING TOGETHER TO, TO REALIZE THAT VISION OF A TRULY SHARED FACILITY. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR, AGAIN, UH, EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN RED IS FIRE. 
          UH, THESE ARE MOSTLY SLEEPING QUARTERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          COULD I HAVE YOU SPEAK CLOSER INTO THE MICROPHONE? OH, SURE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S BETTER, THANK YOU. 
          THE SECOND FLOOR IS, AGAIN, THE RED IS FIRE, INCLUDING, UM, THE SLEEPING QUARTERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE. 
          AND THEN THE BLUE IS POLICE ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE AND OTHER SORT OF POLICE FUNCTION SPACE. 
          AND THEN THE GRAY IS MORE SHARED SPACE. 
          SO BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, A VAST AMOUNT OF SHARED SPACE TO MAKE THIS AS EFFICIENT, UM, AND COMPACT AS AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, JUST IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAME TO THIS FLOOR PLAN, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW, UH, THAT EVERYTHING HAS A RELATIONSHIP. 
          ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, JUST GOING FROM THE LEFT, THE FIRE APPARATUS BAY, THAT'S A SINGLE STORY PORTION THAT HAS A, A FUNCTION IN TERMS OF HOW THE FIRE TRUCKS AND, UH, EMERGENCY, UH, UH, APPARATUSES, UM, COME AND GO FROM THAT SPACE. 
          SO THEY KIND OF NEED TO COME AND GO FROM BOTH DIRECTION. 
          THEY NEED TO GO OUT TO THE STREET IMMEDIATELY AS WELL TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO SCENES AS, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THE, UH, FIRE, EXCUSE ME, THE POLICE , UH, NEED, UH, ACCESS TO A SALLY COURT, WHICH IS WHERE, UM, THEY BRING IN, UM, FOLKS TO BE PROCESSED THROUGH THEIR, UM, THROUGH THEIR FACILITY THAT HAS A VERY, UH, DISTINCT RELATIONSHIP TO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO IT CAN'T BE ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE SITE. 
          IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION, 'CAUSE IT, ALL THE PROCESSING HAPPENS ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT, THAT SHARED SPACE, UM, OF THE, UH, FIRE AND POLICE KIND OF ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS PLAN WHERE YOU SEE, UH, PROTECTED SHARED SPACE THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE SOCIAL SPACE OR THE, THE FITNESS AND THE DAY ROOM FOR THE, THE FIRE AND POLICE, UH, AND THEIR OUTDOOR SPACE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S HAS A VERY, UM, A SORT OF CENTRALIZED LOCATION TO BE ADJACENT TO, UH, UM, BOTH FIRE AND POLICE. 
          AND THEN THE PUBLIC SPACE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO, UM, UH, FRONT THE PUBLIC, UH, FRONT THE PUBLIC WAY, UH, IS LOCATED, UM, AT, AT THE, UH, AT THE NORTH SIDE THERE. 
          SO IN GENERAL, FIRE ON THE LEFT, POLICE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT AND THEN SHARED SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT PUBLIC SPACE, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE YELLOW ARROWS, THAT'S THE LOBBY THAT HAS A VERY SPECIFIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE POLICE RECORDS. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD CHECK IN WITH POLICE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THEIR MAIN DESK. 
          UH, AND THEN ACCESS TO THE E EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IS RIGHT OFF THE LOBBY. 
          AND THAT HAS A, AGAIN, IS A VERY, UM, PURPOSEFUL AND IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP TO THAT LOBBY. 
          THAT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER CAN ALSO BE USED FOR OTHER PUBLIC FUNCTIONS WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED AS AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          IF YOU'RE REALLY LUCKY, IT NEVER GETS USED AS AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER PART OF THE, THIS PLAN THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT IS ALL THE SERVICE. 
          SO IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A LOT OF SERVICE THAT HAS TO COME INTO THIS BUILDING, ELECTRICAL, UM, IDF, WHICH IS LIKE TECHNOLOGY, UM, AND, UH, FIRE, UM, UH, SERVICE, UH, ROOM AS WELL AS TRASH ON THE LEFT HAND, UH, CORNER. 
          AND THEN IF YOU GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, AGAIN, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT THE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE SECOND FLOOR REALLY HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT HAPPENS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND HAS A VERTICAL CONNECTION. 
          SO THE FIRE, UM, DORMS THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAVE A VERY DIRECT CONNECTION WITH HOW THEY RELATE TO THE, THE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          SO 
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THEY HAVE QUICK ACCESS TO THE APPARATUS BAY. 
          UH, THE CIRCULATION THAT OCCURS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS STACKED OVER WHAT ALL THE CIRCULATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          SO IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT TO GET THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          AND THEN ALL THE SORT OF STACKED SERVICES, UM, THAT YOU SAW THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT HAS TO STACK TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          SO THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE PLAN. 
          A VERY EFFICIENT PLAN, A VERY, UM, COLLABORATIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF FIRE AND POLICE. 
          UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, THE DESIGN AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THE PLAN. 
          WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THREE THINGS. 
          WE FOCUSED ON PEOPLE. 
          THAT MEANS, UH, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT THIS FACILITY WILL REPRESENT. 
          CIVIC IDENTITY, CREATING COMRADERY, UH, AMONGST FIRE AND POLICE, MAKING THIS FACILITY WELCOMING TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING IT VERY SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE. 
          UM, PLACE UNDERSTANDING PETALUMA, AND THANKS TO MARY FOR, UM, BEING OUR SORT OF, UM, THE, THE PERSON SORT OF STANDING OVER OUR SHOULDERS, SORT OF GIVING US, UM, HINTS AND TIPS ABOUT PETALUMA. 
          UM, SO REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS COULD FIT INTO THIS, INTO THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND SPECIFICALLY THE FAIRGROUNDS, HOW IT WORKS WITH THE CLIMATE OF PETALUMA AND HOW THIS SITE, HOW THE BUILDING SITS ON THE SITE, AND THE ANGLE TO THE SUN AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THAT STARTS TO INFORM HOW WE, HOW WE ARTICULATE THE DESIGN. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN, UH, THE PROGRAM, FINALLY THE PROGRAM, AND THAT IS ALL THE THINGS I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          ALL THE VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF ONE SPACE TO RELATE TO ANOTHER SPACE AND HOW THOSE SPACES RELATE TO OUTDOOR SPACE. 
          AND THAT IS DIRECTLY, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THIS BUILDING PERFORMS. SO, UM, THAT IS KIND OF HOW WE LOOKED AT IT. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA MARCH AROUND THE BUILDING. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME EXTERIOR REVIEWS HERE. 
          SO THIS IS JUST SETTING THE BUILDING IN THE CONTEXT. 
          SO IN THE MIDDLE IS, IS THE, IS THE NEW, NEW FACILITY. 
          TO THE LEFT IS THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE RACETRACK, UM, JUST TO THE NORTH. 
          YOU SEE THIS LITTLE THREE DIMENSIONALLY. 
          AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          SO THE RACETRACK IS ON THE BOTTOM. 
          THE, UH, THE AQUATIC CENTER IS JUST SORT OF TO THE NORTH OF, UM, THE FACILITY. 
          AND YOU'RE SEEING, SO SORT OF DARK BOXES THAT LANCE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED, UM, PV, UH, CANOPIES, UH, OVER PARKING, PV BEING FOLDED, BAT AIC, SOLAR PANELS. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING BACK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM JOHNSON, KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE MAIN ENTRY IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WITH A, SO WOOD PANELS ON EITHER SIDE. 
          IT HAS A CANOPY OVER TOP OF IT TO PROTECT THE ENTRY. 
          AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE ONE STORY APPARATUS BAY, YOU SEE THE FIRETRUCK IN FRONT OF IT. 
          UM, AND TO THE LEFT YOU SEE, UM, WELL BELOW THE BUILDING YOU SEE THAT, UH, PARK, THE VISITOR PARKING LOT THAT LANCE TALKED ABOUT, THAT CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY WHERE IT DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL LIKE A PARKING LOT, WHERE IT COULD BE USED FOR A PUBLIC EVENT IN, IN, UM, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S THAT KIND OF NEED. 
          UH, SO JUST STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WHEN WE WERE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO, UM, CONSTRUCT THIS BUILDING, REALLY FOCUSING ON THREE THINGS, AGAIN, RESILIENCY AND ECONOMY. 
          LOOKING AT A TILT WALL SYSTEM, THE REASON WE FOCUSED ON A TILT WALL SYSTEM IS REALLY THREEFOLD. 
          ONE COST BECAUSE YOU GET STRUCTURE, YOU GET ENCLOSURE, UM, AND YOU GET SECURITY OUT OF SORT OF LIKE THREE, THREE FOR ONE OUT OF THIS TILT WALL SYSTEM. 
          AND IT'S FAST TO BUILD, UM, CONNECTING WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, AND THE GRAY AND PASS. 
          AND WE SHOWED YOU, UM, IMAGES OF, UH, PETALUMA THAT WE REALLY, UM, RESPONDED TO. 
          AND THEN MAKING SURE WE'RE, UH, CREATING A CIVICNESS TO THE BUILDING THAT, UH, FILLED FACILITY AT THIS TYPE WARRANTS. 
          SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE MATERIALS WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          JUST GO, KIND OF GOING FROM, UM, UH, UH, CLOCKWISE FROM THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THAT IS, UM, A, A CUSTOM CONCRETE, UM, UH, TILT WALL SYSTEM THAT HAS, UH, ARTWORK INCORPORATED IT INTO IT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT CENTER TOP IS A WOOD, UM, ENTRY CANOPY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE WE'RE BRINGING IN THE WARMTH OF WOOD AT THE ENTRY TO MAKE THIS REALLY IN A WELCOMING, UH, FACILITY. 
          UM, THE IMAGE ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER AS A SORT OF A CUSTOM PERFORATED ARTWORK METAL PIECE THAT WILL SHOW YOU IN ANOTHER, UM, EXTERIOR VIEW OF THIS BUILDING BECAUSE 
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WE HAVE A CORNER WHERE IT'S REALLY, UH, THERE'S A GREAT PLACE FOR ANOTHER PIECE OF ARTWORK THERE. 
          ON THE LO, UH, LOWER RIGHT IS SOME OF THE MATERIAL WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SITE WALLS TO, UH, UH, AROUND THE PERIMETER. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE WOOD PANELING, THE VERTICAL WOOD PANELING, WHICH WE'RE USING AT THE ENTRY. 
          AND IT'S PLACES TO SORT OF CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY AT THE EOC AND THEN, UM, SORT OF MIDDLE LEFT AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THAT'S THE CONCRETE TILT WALL PANEL THAT'S SET INTO A FORM THAT HAS LITTLE UNDULATIONS TO IT. 
          SO SORT OF HEARKENS TO SOME OF THE AGRARIAN CORRUGATED METAL BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE AROUND PETALUMA. 
          BUT IT, TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT MADE OF METAL. 
          IT'S MADE OF CONCRETE THAT'S POURED INTO A FORM AND IT GIVES IT THAT SORT OF SINUOUS SHAPE AND IT CAN BE VERY BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND THEN ON THE LEFT ARE THESE SORT OF VERTICAL SUNSHADES THAT, UM, WILL SHADE THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE AGAINST, UM, THE LOW SUN, JUST DUE TO OUR ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE VERTICAL SHADES WILL WORK VERY WELL TO SHADE THOSE WINDOWS. 
          'CAUSE THE WORST THING YOU WANNA DO, THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS BUILD A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, HAVE LOTS OF WINDOWS, AND THEN HAVE EVERYONE DRAW THEIR SHADES THE FIRST DAY BECAUSE YOU GET TOO MUCH SUN. 
          AND THEN THIS IS JUST SHOWING THOSE MATERIALS OVERLAID ON ONE OF THE RENDERINGS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, KIND OF FROM, UH, THE BOTTOM RIGHT AROUND. 
          THAT'S THAT SORT OF CUSTOM ARTWORK IS IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE APPARATUS BAY AND TWO STORY BUILDING. 
          THEN YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD SLATS THAT'S PRO PROVIDING THAT, UH, SENSE OF PRIVACY AT THE, UM, EOC. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CORRUGATED, UM, CONCRETE TILT WALL, UH, IMAGE, THE WOOD, UM, SOFFIT AND THE VERTICAL SUNSHADES. 
          AND THEN FINALLY YOU'LL GET A CLOSER LOOK THAT BOTTOM LEFT HAND IMAGES THAT, UM, METAL, UM, ARC PIECE AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON. 
          AND, UH, COSWORTH, THIS IS JUST A LARGER IMAGE OF THAT VIEW. 
          AND THEN WE'RE JUST SORT OF ZOOMING IN HERE. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THE ENTRY. 
          SO FROM ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT IS THE ONE STORY APPARATUS BAY, AND THE, AND THE, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT SORT OF ARTICULATED PIECE, THAT'S THAT CUSTOM ART, UH, TILT WALL, UM, PANEL, UH, TO THEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS THE ENTRY. 
          AND THE EOC YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF, UH, TRANSPARENT WOOD, UH, PANEL THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE EOC. 
          YOU CAN START TO SEE THE VERTICAL SHADING ON THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING LOW WEST SUN. 
          SO THOSE WILL SHADE, UH, THOSE WINDOWS REALLY WELL. 
          ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND SEE THE, THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY A LITTLE BIT BETTER HERE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING BACK FROM, UH, I GUESS YOUR WEST HERE, UM, BACK TOWARDS THE APPARATUS BAY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FIRETRUCK THERE AND THE, THE FIRE RED APPARATUS, BAY DOORS. 
          THE CHIEF LOVES THOSE. 
          UM, YOU GOTTA HAVE THOSE. 
          AND THEN LOOKING STRAIGHT ON. 
          AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING BACK REALLY KIND OF FROM THE INTERSECTION OF KENILWORTH. 
          AND, UH, JOHNSON LOOKING BACK THE OTHER WAY. 
          AND THIS LAST IMAGE IS LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM KENILWORTH AT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING. 
          BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS BUILDING REALLY NEEDS TO LAY OUT, WE HAVE A LOT OF SORT OF SOLID, UH, ROOMS HERE THAT REALLY CAN'T HAVE WINDOWS. 
          WE HAVE LIKE A SWAT ARMORY AND A ELECTRICAL ROOM, AND A, YOU KNOW, MECHANICAL ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE NOTHING THAT CAN HAVE A WINDOW. 
          SO WE REALLY THOUGHT THIS CORNER WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A BIG ART PIECE THAT REALLY ANCHORS THE CORNER THERE, SINCE THAT'S A REALLY VISIBLE CORNER. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE IF BY ITS NATURE ART, YOU WOULD BRING IN AN ARTIST AND THEY WOULD DESIGN THIS. 
          SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PLACEHOLDER, BUT THIS THOUGHT THAT, UM, THIS, UH, MARY COINED A ARMATURE AT THE CORNER AND THEN WE RENAMED ANER AT THE CORNER, UH, COULD BE A REALLY GREAT SORT OF CIVIC ELEMENT, UH, FOR PLUMA. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          LOTS TO SEE. 
          , LOTS OF HIGH FUNCTION, BUT A LOT OF AESTHETIC TOO. 
          UM, SO BRINGING IT BACK TO THE, THE DAAS HERE, I'D LIKE TO CHAT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITH THE REST OF THE EVENING. 
          AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY ASK THE, UH, UH, THE PANEL IF THEY HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS. 
          AND, AND WHEN I SAY QUESTIONS, THAT'S 25 WORDS OR LESS. 
          AND THEN IN A QUESTION MARK, THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR, FOR THAT LONG DISCUSSION THAT COMES LATER. 
          UH, AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'LL DO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, JUST, UH, ASK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND THEN WE WILL GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT 
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ON OUR NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD, BRING IT TO OUR CLERK. 
          AND, UH, WHEN THAT MOMENT ARRIVES, UH, WE WILL, UH, HAVE THAT PUBLIC, UH, DIALOGUE. 
          UM, OO OFTEN PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED IN A, IN THIS FORUM THAT IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOT PUBLIC QUESTION AND ANSWER. 
          BUT I'M SURE THAT IF A COMMENT RESONATES WITH COUNSELOR COMMISSION, WE WILL ASK, UH, THAT BACK TO THE, TO OUR EXPERTS OR, OR, UM, IT MAY BE THAT WE PROVIDE A MOMENT FOR OUR EXPERTS TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT THEY'VE HAD NOTES ON FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          SO WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN WE CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP, UH, FOR A MORE OF A DELIBERATIVE HERE. 
          AND THERE WERE, UM, CERTAIN POINTS, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S IDENTIFYING THE PARTICULAR POINTS WHERE CLARIFICATION AND FEEDBACK, UM, UM, ARE CRITICAL. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR TO, UH, CALL IN HER FOLKS, JESSICA. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYONE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? COMMISSIONER KUSON, THANK YOU. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK I GAVE A LOT OF CONTEXT THAT ANSWERS SOME KIND OF BIG QUICK PICTURE QUESTIONS WITH HOW WE GOT HERE. 
          UH, BUT ANOTHER, A BIG PICTURE QUESTION HERE FOR ALL MY COMMENTARY. 
          HOW LOCKED IN ARE WE ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THIS DESIGN? THE EXAMPLE THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN EXTERIOR MATERIALS, LIKE IF SOMEONE UP HERE SAYS, I DON'T LIKE CORRUGATION, IS THAT STILL IN PLAY OR SITE FOOTPRINT OR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ELEMENTS? HOW FAR ARE WE DOWN THIS TRACK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND? IS KIND OF EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE WHEN IT COMES TO EXTERIOR OR, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH A, A, A GREAT DEAL OF ANALYSIS AND WORKING WITH MARY, UM, AND LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF CONTEXTUAL SUGGESTIONS MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ASPECTS OF PETALUMA, UH, MIGHT BE, UH, OPPORTUNISTIC FOR KIND OF CAPTURING TO KIND OF, UH, RESPOND TO THE CONTEXT FOR THE DESIGN. 
          OUR ARCHITECTS CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN YOU SEE RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF DIFFERENT MATERIAL APPROACHES, DIFFERENT LOOKS AND FEEL. 
          UM, AND THIS HAS RESONATED VERY WELL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED TO DATE. 
          NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY, THAT WE CAN'T GO IN OTHER DIRECTIONS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THIS GROUP IS, IS EXACTLY THAT. 
          WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THE WORK TO DATE IS? SO NOTHING IS LOCKED IN, PER SE. 
          UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY BUDGET CONSCIOUS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE THE GREATEST AESTHETIC WE CAN. 
          UM, BEING COGNIZANT OF THE BUDGET REQUIREMENTS AND GOALS FOR THE CITY, UH, AND BEING CONSCIOUS OF, UH, DESIRE TO REFLECT ASPECTS OF PETALUMA THAT WE FELT WERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR DESIGN INSPIRATION. 
          UM, SO WE, WE CAN ENTERTAIN COMMENTS AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS, UH, WITH THE BROADER PROJECT GROUP WHAT WE HEAR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT GIVES SOME GOOD, UH, DIRECTION ON WHERE, WHERE TO CENTER OUR COMMENTARY. 
          UH, ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN THAT IS FORTHCOMING, YOU KNOW, IN THE LPA, UH, PROJECT DESIGN NARRATIVE ON PAGE THREE, SECTION FOUR B CALLS OUT SPECIFIC PLANS OR MASTER PLANS, AND IT IS NOT MENTIONED. 
          UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE, WILL THERE BE SOME KIND OF SIMPATICO WITH THE UPCOMING PLAN? IS IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF TIMING AND COSTS AND GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS FIRST AND THAT PLAN WILL COME LATER AND THIS WILL BE KIND OF A STATIC PART THAT THAT PLAN WILL BUILD AROUND. 
          OR IS THERE ANY CROSSTALK BETWEEN THEM JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE TWO WILL, WILL SIT TOGETHER? I CAN JUMP ON THAT ONE. 
          UM, SO MY BACKGROUND IS IN ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF CIVIC MASTER PLANNING FOR COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA, THROUGHOUT NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          SO WE ARE NOT IMMUNE AND, AND NOT BLIND TO WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO SEE COMING OUT OF A MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          UM, WE, BUT WE CAN'T WAIT FOR IT. 
          UM, THE PROJECT GOALS, THE, THE FINANCIAL GOALS FOR THE CITY, WE DID REQUIRE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, AND, BUT WE ARE FLAGGING OPPORTUNITIES, YOU CAN SEE IN THE SITE PLAN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR, UH, COMMON ENTRIES, UM, UH, THINKING FORWARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR OVERFLOW PARKING NEEDS MIGHT BE MET IN A SHARED AGREEMENT WITH, 
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WITH THE MAS, THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN. 
          SO WE WOULD LOVE TO ENGAGE WITH THE MASTER PLAN AS SOON AS THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND THEN BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WHAT WE FORESAW AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHARED, UH, UH, SHARED USE WITHIN, WITHIN THE FAIRGROUND SITE. 
          BUT WE DID NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          TO STAY ON TRACK FOR THE PROCESS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE BALANCE YOU'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT SITE ACCESS, STREET ACCESS. 
          I HAVE A FEELING THAT COMES A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PROCESS. 
          CAN ANYONE SPEAK TO THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE DURING CONSTRUCTION, MANAGING BOTH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, VEHICULAR TRANSPORTATION AROUND THE SITE? WILL THAT COME LATER? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION ACCESS? YEAH, LIKE A CONSTRUCTION PLAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA COME LATER IN THE PROCESS. 
          YEAH, GENERALLY THE, THE GENERAL, THE CONTRACTOR WILL PUT THAT TOGETHER AS AN ACTUAL SUBMITTAL, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING AHEAD AND WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT THE, THE LANES THAT WE'RE USING FOR, FOR SITE ACCESS ARE VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE UTILIZED BY THE CONTRACTOR. 
          UM, AND, BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL LOOK CLOSER AT AND SUBMIT A, A PROPOSED, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLAN. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          BEFORE I GET LOST IN THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ON, UH, THE PROJECT DESIGN, UH, PLAN THAT WE GOT, PAGE A 3.03, THERE'S ONLY TWO SHADE STRUCTURES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE DEFINITIVELY THERE ARE THREE, THREE PV SHADE STRUCTURES OVER THAT PARKING AREA. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, UH, IT'S, THERE COULD BE TWO OR THREE TO PUT IT SIMPLY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT COULD BE TWO OR THREE. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          I LOVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TREE COVERAGE, BUT I'LL SAVE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE, UM, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT, IF ANY, ARE FORTHCOMING. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING HERE TODAY. 
          THERE'S FUTURE ENTITLEMENTS WITH PLANNING AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY, IS THERE A PLAN FOR ANY KIND OF MAILER, CHARETTE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE USUAL TOOLS WE HAVE, UM, TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AND SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK OR AT LEAST LET HIM KNOW THIS IS GOING ON. 
          WE HAVE STARTED THAT OUTREACH AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FANTASTIC. 
          AND THEN FOR US AS COMMISSIONERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO SUBMIT MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK EXAMPLES? WOULD THAT BE GOING TO MIKE, OR WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THAT TO THE PROJECT TEAM? IT COULD COME, IT CAN COME THROUGH MIKE, SORRY, MY CHAIR. 
          I DON'T WANNA VOLUNTEER YOU, BUT I DO WANNA HAVE A PLACE TO, CAN YOU REPEAT THE, THE QUESTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER KUEN? UH, JUST A PLACE TO SEND IF WE HAVE MORE DETAILED FEEDBACK, EXAMPLES OF OTHER SITES THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, INSPIRATION FOR THE TEAM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          YES. 
          WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR US TO FORWARD THAT TO YOU? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN. 
          UM, MY EMAIL IS ON THE PROJECT WEBPAGE. 
          UH, IN THE PLANNING, THERE'S MULTIPLE WEBPAGES, BUT THE PLANNING, UH, CURRENT ENTITLEMENT PROJECTS WEBPAGE, IT'S MY CONTACTS ON THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, AVAILABLE, UM, FROM AS THE PUBLIC OR IF YOU WANT TO, AS A COMMISSIONER, ROUTE IT THROUGH OTHER CITY CHANNELS. 
          UM, I CAN FIND ITS WAY TO THE PLANNING DIVISION. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SAVE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THE PROJECT MANAGER, PAUL GAHAGAN FROM THE CITY IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT HE WAS THE KIND OF PRIMARY CONTACT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          PROBABLY BEST TO COPY PAUL, 'CAUSE PAUL WILL KEEP ALL OF US IN THE LOOP, UM, AS WELL. 
          SO PAUL'S PROBABLY THE CENTER POINT. 
          THANKS. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER NEWELL. 
          AND THEN EBNER, I APPRECIATE THE, THE TIGHT TIMELINE, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER. 
          COULD, UM, MIKE, COULD YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON THE SQA PROCESS AND WHEN A A DRAFT SE A DOCUMENT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE? AND THEN, THEN HOW DOES THAT TIMELINE PLAY OUT? UM, WELL, SO THERE WILL BE A DEF, A SE A DETERMINATION, UH, PRIOR TO HEARING. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN, UM, IT'LL BE BROUGHT FORWARD WITH THE ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION AND THEY'LL BE BROUGHT, UM, TO THE HEARING, UH, TOGETHER. 
          UM, AT THIS STAGE, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A, A DOCUMENT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, AN EXEMPTION WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MUCH OF A ROBUST, UM, UH, REVIEW, UM, AND, AND MORE PROCEDURE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, SO JUST AT THIS STAGE WE'RE, UM, WE'VE, UM, BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITE. 
          OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNERS HAVE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM WHO'S ENGAGED WITH SOME CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE, UM, A SELECT LIST OF TECHNICAL STUDIES, AIR QUALITY REPORT. 
          UM, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, VMT, UH, ASSESSMENT, UM, NOISE STUDY. 
          SO, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY, UM, SHORT LIST. 
          UM, SO I, IT'S, 
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BUT WE'RE JUST, YEAH, ONGOING, SO, BUT IT'LL BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND WE'LL HAVE A DETERMINATION, UM, THAT WE WOULD BRING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WITH THE SPAR AND THE CUP, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THAT FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY WOULD BE COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER EBNER. 
          UH, YEAH, I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY SUSTAINABILITY TARGETS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR THE BUILDING OR FIRE RESILIENCY, LIKE DESIGN PRIORITIES PUT INTO PLACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SURE, THERE ARE. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT, . 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, LIKE, LEAD GOALS AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH, UH, THE, THE GOALS THE CITY, UM, PLANNING HAS. 
          UM, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY LIKE SPECIFIC LIKE LEAD SILVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CERTAINLY ARE WORKING TOWARDS A SUSTAINABLE FACILITY. 
          EVERYTHING WE, A LOT OF THE DECISIONS WE MADE WE'RE SORT OF REALLY BASED AROUND SUSTAINABILITY. 
          YEP. 
          I'LL JUST ADD THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL LEAD AP UH, DESIGNERS ON THE TEAM, INCLUDING MYSELF. 
          THE CON THE, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH PAUL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE GOOD COMMON SENSE, SUSTAINABLE PRINCIPLES FOR THE PROJECT, BUT NOT SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY FOR CERTIFICATION OR LEAD REVIEW. 
          UH, SO CERTAINLY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY AND, AND RESILIENCY IS A FACTOR IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, BUT IT NOT WOULDN'T BE A FORMAL BEYOND CAL GREEN, UH, CERTIFICATION. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE A FORMAL, UH, SUBMISSION TO LEAD. 
          AND I'M PATRICK CARTER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          I'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UH, THIS IS BEING DESIGNED AS AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHLITT, JUST, JUST REALLY QUICK, I, I ASSUME THE DESIGN TEAM HAS ANALYZED ALTERNATIVE FINISHES, AND I REALIZE COST IS ESSENTIAL HERE, UM, TO KEEP IT DOWN, BUT WAS THERE ANY TYPE OF LIFE CYCLE, UM, COST COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT FINISHES AND WHAT DURABILITY AND MAINTENANCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED COMPARED TO OTHERS? WE HAVEN'T DONE A FORMAL LIFE, UM, CYCLE COST ANALYSIS, BUT THE MATERIAL, THE FINISH THAT WE'VE LANDED ON, WHICH IS CONCRETE, UM, IS RIGHT, AND IT HAS SOME DURABILITY ISSUES. 
          IT ALSO HAS STAINING ISSUES THAT COULD LEAD TO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS TOO. 
          IT, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DURABLE MATERIAL WE COULD THINK OF. 
          UM, AND WE'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER MATERIAL ON TOP OF THAT. 
          SO DO, DOES THAT MATERIAL GET CLEANED? IT CAN GET, IT CAN BE CLEANED, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THOSE CHEMICALS, WHO'S GONNA CHOOSE THOSE CHEMICALS? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE WAS A, A QUESTION POSED PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT, UH, WAS EMAILED AROUND BY STAFF, AND THE ANSWER TO THE CLEANING QUESTION WAS POWER WASHING. 
          SO WATER, I THINK WILL BE, UH, THE MAIN CLEANING SOLUTION AT HIGH PRESSURES. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          OH, ONE MORE UNDER THE WIRE. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER, GOVERNOR. 
          SORRY. 
          SO QUESTION RELATED TO I GUESS, BUDGET, JUST DOING THE QUICK MATH. 
          WE'RE AT ABOUT 1,225 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          DO WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CONTINGENCY IN PLACE, BUT WITH THE DESIGN BUILD DELIVERY MODEL LIKE THAT, THAT'S A FEASIBLE NUMBER FOR THE AMENITIES AND WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TODAY? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN PARAMOUNT IN THE DESIGN PROCESS TO, TO, UH, DELIVER THAT THE PROJECT FOR THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL, UH, TO KIND OF ADHERE TO WHAT WE THINK ARE, AND WE UNDERSTAND OUR, OUR OUR WAYS OF ACHIEVING THAT, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, AT EVERY TURN, UH, SHORTEST SCHEDULE POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THE, THE, UH, MATERIALITY, UH, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE, WE CAN AFFORD FOR THAT PRICE REDUCTIONS IN PROGRAM PARAMOUNT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          WE'VE TAKEN EVERY STEP AND MADE EVERY DECISION AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY SHARED USE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE PROJECT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT WE WERE GIVEN. 
          UH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS CAN BE ACHIEVED, ALTHOUGH, I'LL BE HONEST, WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP THAT APPROACH AND BE ABSOLUTELY RIGOROUS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM, THERE'S NO FLUFF HERE, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR, FOR 
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GOING, GOING WRONG. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT OF THE NUMBERS, UH, GIVEN THAT WE CAN STAY ON THAT ON THAT COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          LAST, OH, YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN, UH, REGARDING THE ALL ELECTRIC, UM, PROPOSAL, UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE BATTERY BACKUP AS WELL, OR ARE THERE ADDITIONAL TYPE OF NEEDS THAT, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES HAVE THAT REQUIRE MORE ROBUST OR, UH, I GUESS, UM, USUAL VERSIONS OF BACKUP THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING FOR? UH, WHEN WE SAY ALL ELECTRIC, I HAVE TO THROW IN THE CAVEAT THAT THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE FACILITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
          AND A BACKUP GENERATOR IS PARAMOUNT TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS FACILITY AND MEETING THE CRITERIA, CRITERIA FOR ESSENTIAL FACILITIES, BACKUP POWER, AND CONTINUED OPERATIONS. 
          SO GIVEN THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON A, A, A NON-ELECTRIC GENERATOR AS PART OF THE DESIGN, BUT INFREQUENTLY USED, UM, AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, AN ALL ELECTRIC FACILITY, UH, WE ARE, THERE ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PHOTOVOLTAIC AND BATTERY, BATTERY, NOT BACKUP, BUT BATTERY ASSIST TO, TO, UH, MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, WE'RE MEETING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND DETERMINING, IS IT, IS IT A MANDATORY OR IS IT AN OPTIONAL CODE REQUIREMENT? WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND, AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, BUT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR THAT, UH, TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, UH, IN ADDITION TO BEING ALL ELECTRIC FACILITY, SO WE CAN HAVE ONSITE ELECTRIC GENERATION AND A BATTERY ASSIST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SIDE? SEEING NONE. 
          TAKE IT AWAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO START ON, UH, THIS SIDE AND RUN ACROSS THE DI SO COUNCIL MEMBER REBS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          ALL THIS EXCELLENT. 
          UH, CHANGES ALL MADE, UH, PROGRESS MADE. 
          SO I HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, AROUND TWO TOPICS. 
          ONE IS SECURITY IN GENERAL, UH, AND SEVERAL SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UH, FUTURE TECHNOLOGY THAT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR FUTURE CONCEPTS, UM, IN THE SECURITY AREA. 
          UM, HAVING WORKED AT A, A SCHOOL THAT HAD ALMOST BULLETPROOF WALLS BUILT INTO IT AS A, AS PART OF THE PLAN, UM, WHAT TYPE OF SECURITIES FOR, FOR THE GLASS FRONTAGE, THE WALLS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE ARMORY AREA, UH, TO PREVENT BREAK-INS AND, UM, ANY OTHER SECURITIES AND ALSO TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND I WAS TRYING SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO INVADE TECHNICALLY THROUGH THE TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, UH, WHAT TYPE OF SECURITY SYSTEMS ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE BOTH PHYSICALLY AND TECHNICALLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT'S SOMETHING CENTRIC, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A BLENDED FACILITY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE NECESSARILY AT FIRE DEPARTMENTS, BUT YOU SEE AT A POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE EXISTING FACILITY AND WE'RE CARRYING THOSE OVER, BUT WE'RE ALSO MODERNIZING THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, SO SECURED PARKING IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. 
          WE'VE SEEN SOME OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS THAT HAVEN'T HAD SECURED PARKING, HAVING TO SECURE THEIR PARKING BECAUSE STAFF HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED. 
          WE'VE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN VANDALIZED. 
          WE'VE HAD, UH, SURPRISINGLY EVEN IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE BREAK INTO OUR SECURED PARKING LOT, TRY TO ACCESS OUR BUILDING, OUR SECURE AREAS. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO MAINTAIN, UH, UH, BARRIER AROUND OUR FACILITY. 
          SO WE HAVE CONFIDENTIALITY, WE HAVE PRIVACY CONCERNS FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY BE IN OUR CUSTODY OR THAT ARE COMING INTO SECURE, SECURE DETENTION. 
          IT ALSO ENSURES THAT OUR VEHICLES THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE FLEET OR MAINTAIN AN OPERATIONAL READINESS READY TO GO, WE CAN KEEP OUR SAFETY EQUIPMENT IN THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SECURITY MEASURES, ONE OF THE, THE MOST ROBUST MEASURES IS REALLY THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          A TILT UP CONCRETE WALL IS BALLISTICALLY ONE OF THE BEST MATERIALS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE. 
          WE'RE EVALUATING BALLISTIC WINDOWS AND, UM, PANELING IN OUR LOBBY AREAS. 
          THERE'S GLAZING OPTIONS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. 
          MANY OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE EITHER HAVE OR HAVE NOT HAD AND HAVE HAD SECURITY ASSESSMENTS OF OUR EXISTING FACILITY AND FOUND TO BE DEFICIENT IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO FINDING AREAS WHERE WE CAN HAVE, UH, CERTAIN MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT STORED OUTSIDE IN THOSE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, UM, RATHER THAN INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF CERTAIN SPECIAL EQUIPMENT AND CRISIS RESPONSE EQUIPMENT THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR STORING INSIDE OF OUR FACILITY. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE REASON WITHIN THE SECURE PARKING LOT, YOU HEARD ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT HIGHLIGHTING 
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NOT, UH, NECESSARILY AS MANY TREES AS WE'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT THOSE VISUAL, UM, WE CALL THEM THOSE, THOSE, UH, STED CONCEPTS, THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN CONCEPTS OF IMPROVING LIGHTING, IMPROVING VISION, IT CREATES A SECURITY BARRIER. 
          IT CREATES, UH, AREAS FOR US TO MAINTAIN OBSERVATION. 
          UH, WE'RE DOING VIDEO, UH, SURVEILLANCE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, SOME ACCESS CONTROL MEASURES. 
          WE HAVE ACCESS CONTROL IN OUR CURRENT BUILDING, WHICH IS WHY I WEAR THE LANYARD SO I CAN GET INTO MY OWN FACILITY. 
          UM, AND ALL THOSE THINGS AS WE LOOK AT UPGRADING OUR NETWORK AND CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE WORKING, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS ON THE PROJECT THAT WE DIDN'T INTRODUCE IS OUR CITY IT TEAM. 
          SO THEY ARE BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE SECURE MECHANICAL WORKSPACES THAT ARE THOSE COMMON AREAS. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE'RE ALSO FINDING, UH, THE BENEFIT OF BEING A SHARED FACILITY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THE SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HASN'T SEEN AT THEIR OTHER FACILITIES IN THIS COMMON FACILITY BECAUSE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT AT THE SAME TIME THROUGH MUTUAL GOALS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE THERE. 
          IT WASN'T IN THE, UH, ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS I WAS READING. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS NOW ON THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT, THAT MAY BE COMING, UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A HELICOPTER THAT'S BEEN SHOWN OFF COMING TO THE FAIRGROUNDS ON EVENTS AND THINGS, BUT AS WE GO MORE TO EV VEHICLES ON A COMBINATIONS OF, UM, SMALL POD TYPE, UH, SMALL VEHICLES OR PODS IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. 
          AND EVEN NOW, UM, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK TECHNOLOGY I'M SEEING HAPPENING IN THE FLYING CAR. 
          AND THERE'S EVEN DESIGNS FOR AMBULANCES AND POLICE, UM, UH, AND MEDICAL AND ALSO SURVEILLANCE OF DRONE LIKE MATERIALS, BUT MANNED PEOPLE INSIDE GOING VERY QUICKLY FOR, UH, FOR TIMING. 
          AND THERE'S EVEN PLANES NOW THAT CAN LIFT OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE AND COME BACK WITH A FULL MEDICAL FACILITIES INSIDE IT, UH, ALL ELECTRIC. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO THIS OVER THE 25 WORD LIMIT. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO I, SO I'VE, SO I'VE, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT. 
          I, SO WHERE WE'RE GOING, SO WHAT IS THE, UH, TO INCORPORATE THIS FUTURE TECHNOLOGY, WHERE IS IT GONNA BE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA INCORPORATE INTO THIS FACILITY? YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL ASK THAT, UM, REPLIES COME IN THE FORM OF 25 WORDS SO WE CAN GET TO OUR AUDIENCE HERE. 
          SURE. 
          THE, UH, COMMUNITY MASONE WE'RE CURRENTLY PILOTING TO ALL ELECTRIC, UH, VEHICLES IN OUR PATROL FLEET. 
          UH, JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, WE, UH, HAVE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A RECENT GRANT FROM THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. 
          SO THAT IS OUR FIRST REAL CHARGING STATION. 
          WE HAVE NO CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE HARDWIRED IN, SO WE WILL BE MAKING THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS WITH THE PHOTO BOOTH CANOPIES AT THE NEW FACILITY. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING ROOF ACCESS FOR A DRONE FIRST RESPONDER FUTURE PLAN. 
          UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION, ISOLATED ON ONE SIDE OF THE CITY, BUT A CENTRAL LOCATION PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT EVO TLS, UM, IN SOME OF THOSE VENDORS THAT ARE IN THAT MARKET FOR THE FLYING VEHICLES, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST GETTING THROUGH THE EV PORTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          BUT I KNOW THE PROXIMITY TO MAYBE A FIELD FUTURE RESILIENCY CENTER, HAVING THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, HAVING A FIRE STAFF AND COMPANY AT THE LOCATION, IF WE EVER HAD TO HAVE A HELICOPTER LANDING THE FAIRGROUND SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD LOCATION NEXT DOOR. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UM, INCLUDING THAT IN, IN THE THOUGHTS IN THE PLANS. 
          SO YOU DID MENTION THE, UH, LIKE HAVING AN EVACUATION CENTER AS A FUTURE. 
          SO, UH, HOW IS THIS BUILDING GOING TO BE, UM, COORDINATED WITH AN EVACUATION CENTER AND, UH, AND PLANNING OUT FOR THAT TYPE OF SITUATION? WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THAT? IS IS, ARE WE INCLUDING THOSE THOUGHTS NOW? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CURRENT FACILITY, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN HISTORICALLY OPERATING AN EMERGENCY OPERATORS, A OPERATION CENTER IN THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, WHICH IS ALSO MY LUNCH ROOM, MY BRIEFING ROOM, PATROL DIVISION, TRAINING ROOM, AND IT'S REOC. 
          SO REALLY CONVOLUTED AND COMPLICATED TO DO, UH, WHILE MAINTAINING OPERATIONS, WHICH WHEN WE'VE ACTIVATED OVER THE, LIKE THE LAST 15 TIMES, THE LAST FIVE YEARS, REOC MAINTAINING OPERATIONS IS INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING AND ALMOST IT'S SUPER IMPACTFUL. 
          SO THIS BUILDING IS PROPOSED, HAS A DEDICATED ISOLATED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          I THINK WHAT WE ENVISION AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THE FAIR FUTURE MASTER PLANNING IS OPPORTUNITIES FOR A RESILIENCY CENTER THAT WOULD WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER POTENTIALLY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS INVALUABLE DURING TUBS, FIRES, AND OTHER RECENT, UH, DISASTERS WHERE WE WANT THOSE OPERATIONS TO CONTINUE. 
          WE WANNA SUPPORT THEM, BUT HAVING PROXIMITY RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEM IS THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE WHILE ALSO NOT STEPPING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER BY BEING INSIDE, INSIDE THE SAME BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, 
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FIRST OFF, UH, THANK YOU CHIEFS FOR SHOWING UP AND YOUR ENTHUSIASM IN IN YOUR REPORTS AND FOR BRINGING ALL YOUR GUYS AND GALS WITH YOU AND TO LPA AND STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS AS WELL. 
          UH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN WAS THIS SITE FIRST IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR THE FACILITY? I KNOW FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE DID OUR, UH, COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS THROUGH CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT IN 2020, I GOTTA LOOK AT MY, IT'S 2122, WE, IT WAS RECOGNIZED THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          SO THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY WAS ONE OF SEVERAL WE LOOKED AT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE CENTRALLY LOCATED. 
          I THINK IN WHEN WE DID THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY MASTER PLAN, THAT'S WHEN THOSE DIFFERENT SITES WERE EVALUATED AND THE FAIRGROUNDS, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING NOT THE EXACT LOCATION, BUT WOULD BE SUITABLE AND THE BEST, UH, BENEFIT FOR NOT ONLY FREEWAY ACCESS, CROSS TOWN ACCESS. 
          SO 2021, 2022, 2023. 
          WE'VE DONE SO MANY STUDIES . 
          YEAH, NO, AND THE REASON I ASK IS IT, IT LINED UP VERY CLOSELY TO WHEN THE CITY, UH, ASSUMED CONTROL THE PROPERTY AND, AND THAT LEASE ENDED. 
          AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS PRIOR TO OR WHEN IT MIGHT'VE COME ABOUT. 
          I, I'D SAY THE, I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO TIED TOGETHER OTHER THAN WHEN, OTHER THAN WHEN THE CITY, UM, WHEN THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA REGAINED REALLY ACCESS AND CONTROL OF THAT, OF THAT SITE, IT CREATED NEW OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S A RESILIENCE CENTER, WHETHER IT'S PROGRAMMING, BUT ALSO THE OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE POTENTIAL, NOT ONLY FOR THE FAIRGROUND SITE ITSELF, WHICH THIS WILL DO, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR A CITY CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M GONNA TRY AND KEEP US FOCUSED ON THE, UH, POINTS THAT STAFF IS ASKING CONCERNS FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THAT, WELL, THIS, THIS NEXT ONE'S SOMEWHAT RELATED. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, HOW MUCH DO WE ANTICIPATE, UM, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE BE AND, AND WHAT THIS MIGHT ADD TO THE BUDGET? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY STUDIES CONDUCTED YET TO DETERMINE THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WE HAVE THE EXACT ANALYSIS WE'D DEFER TO LPA ON THAT. 
          WHAT I CAN TELL YOU FROM BEING IN AN AGING FACILITY THIS MONTH ALONE, I'VE HAD HVAC SYSTEMS GO OUT. 
          I HAVE A SERVER ROOM THAT DOESN'T HAVE PROPER CLIMATE CONTROL. 
          AND SO ALL OF OUR INFORMATION AND DATABASES ARE FAILING. 
          I HAVE STAFF THAT ARE WORKING OUT OF CLOSETS, UH, SINKS THAT DON'T WORK, URINALS THAT ARE BREAKING. 
          THE, THE LIST IS REALLY ENDLESS. 
          WE'RE IN A, A RECOMMISSIONED BUILDING THAT WAS NOT BUILT FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSE. 
          AND IT'S BEEN HARD USED FOR 40 YEARS. 
          AND THE DAY THAT WE MOVED INTO OUR FACILITY, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS THAT IT WAS UNDERSIZED AND THERE WAS NEEDED TO BE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS BUILT IN THAT AT, AT THE TIME FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH. 
          BUT THE, THE COST RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT HAVING TO DO DAILY MAINTENANCE THAT IS, UH, REALLY, REALLY ADDING UP AND IT'S NOT BUDGETED CURRENTLY. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO IT, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE IN A SHOEBOX OVER THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST WONDER WHAT THAT WILL, HOW THAT WILL CHANGE THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, HOW, HOW MANY STAFF WILL BE, UH, STAFFED AT THE FACILITY? S SO, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY RELOCATING ALL OF OPERATIONS AND ALL OF OUR 103 EMPLOYEES TO THAT FACILITY AS SOON AS IT'S BEING BUILT. 
          WE FOREGO FORWENT A SHORT-TERM REMODEL AND HAVE INVESTED THOSE FUNDINGS INTO THIS PROJECT, BOTH BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE AND KIND OF JUST TO YOUR POINT, THROWING, UM, GOOD MONEY AT BAD MONEY, UM, AS WELL AS HIGHLY DISRUPTIVE TOWARDS OUR OPERATIONS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, I THINK I'LL LET THE FIRE CHIEF ANSWER HIS SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING SOME STAFF. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. 
          THIS IS A OPPORTUNITY CURRENTLY OUR LADDER TRUCK, WHICH IS USED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, REACHING TALLER BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S FOR DEPLOYING WATER FROM A HIGHER ELEVATION. 
          IT'S GOT OUR AUTO EXTRICATION EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY CROSS STAFFED WITH A FIRE ENGINE AT STATION TWO ON NORTH MCDOWELL BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT FITS. 
          SO THE SAME COMPANY, UH, OR THE SAME CREW GOES TO WHICHEVER APPARATUS IS NEEDED AT THE TIME, WHICH CREATES CHALLENGES AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. 
          SO MEASURE H IS ALSO GONNA BE GIVING US FUNDING FOR PERSONNEL TO STAFF THAT LADDER TRUCK PERMANENTLY AT THAT FAIRGROUND SITE. 
          UM, SO DAY ONE, THE LADDER TRUCK WILL BE STAFFED THERE WITH FOUR PERSONNEL. 
          AND THEN OUR ON-DUTY BATTALION CHIEF, WHO'S CURRENTLY AT THE D STREET STATION, WE'LL BE REASSIGNED TO THERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT PART-TIME AMBULANCE WITH TWO EMTS, A STAFF DURING THE DAY. 
          THEY'LL BE RUN OUTTA THAT FACILITY CURRENTLY THEY'RE STAGING THERE OR AT OUR D STREET STATION. 
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AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN LEASED OFFICE SPACE NEXT TO THE D STREET STA, EXCUSE ME, NEXT TO THE D STREET STATION AND A COUPLE OF US IN THE D STREET STATION. 
          BUT DURING ITS REMODEL, UM, THAT'LL BE COMING SOON, UH, THAT OFFICE SPACE IS GETTING USED FOR OTHER ESSENTIAL ITEMS, SO ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL, THE STAFF LADDER TRUCK, THE BATTALION CHIEF, AND A FEW AMBULANCE PERSONNEL. 
          AND THEN ALSO WE BUILT IN CAPACITY FOR DURING RED FLAG WARNINGS AND WINTER STORM UPS STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO UP STAFF AND HAVE SURGE CAPACITY WHEN THE TIME'S NECESSARY FROM THAT CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DO WE, SO BOTH CHIEFS, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT DO WE ANTICIPATE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING OR PHASING OUT ANY EXISTING, UM, UH, FACILITIES OR ANYTHING AS, AS YOU MOVE INTO THE, THIS NEW ONE? YEAH. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE COMPLETELY ABANDONING, UH, THE CURRENT POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND MOVING INTO THIS LOCATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S CITY OWNED, CORRECT? IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, UM, IS THERE ANY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT MAY HAPPEN NEXT AT THOSE SITES? SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UH, THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SURPLUS LANDS, UH, PROCESS THROUGH HCD WHEN YOU SELL A CITY PROPERTY. 
          AND THE FIRST, UM, OFFER WOULD BE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS REQUIRED BY LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GONNA SELL 'EM. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA REPURPOSE THEM SOMEHOW OR, OKAY. 
          NO, IT'S, THAT BUILDING IS PAST ITS USEFUL LIFE, SO MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AESTHETICS WITH THE BUILDING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE L P'S WORK ON IT. 
          UM, AND I, BUT I DID LOOK THROUGH, THROUGH YOUR SITE A LITTLE BIT, SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROJECTS, THEY'RE VERY NICE. 
          UM, BUT THIS, THIS BUILDING IS, IS VERY MODERN. 
          UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SCREAMS PETALUMA ABOUT IT TO ME. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          AND SO I WONDER IF WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ADDING SOMETHING LIKE SOME MORE BRICK TO THE EXTERIOR OR, YOU KNOW, WOOD OR FULL WOOD IF IT CAN'T BE COMBUSTIBLE. 
          UM, DOING MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, PITCHED ROOF AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TO THE CENTER WHERE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, ACCESSORIES AND UNITS UP TOP. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT A BUILDING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE VERY PROUD OF, IT'S LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE AROUND FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE A BUILDING THAT EVERYONE CAN BE PROUD OF AND LOOK AT AND BE LIKE, WOW, THAT, THAT LOOKS GREAT. 
          YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ADDING THINGS LIKE BRICK, THOUGH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE IN, IN THE LONG RUN. 
          IT'S, IT'S A WARMER FEEL. 
          IT, IT GIVES IT MORE COLOR. 
          UM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO MAYBE SAVE THAT FOR THE COMMENT DIALOGUE PERIOD. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE QUICK QUESTIONS AND GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN QUICK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO GOOD COMMENT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, CAN WE CONSIDER MORE DESIGN ADDING ELEMENTS LIKE THAT INTO IT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN RECEIVE IN A, I THINK THAT GOES TO THE QUESTION WHETHER WE'RE LOCKED IN NOW. 
          AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN. 
          THERE'S SOME ROOM TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE ABOUT WHAT THE AESTHETIC FEEL FROM ALL THE BODY IS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, UH, NEXT QUESTION. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME STUFF THAT COULD BE COMBINED INTO COMMENTS, SO I'LL SAVE IT. 
          PERFECT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I HAVE TO SAY, I AM FEELING LIKE I AM BACK TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I WAS SITTING UP HERE 20 YEARS AGO AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND WE WERE, WE WERE CONSCIOUS PLAING WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO AND HOW WE WERE GONNA BUILD THIS NEW, AND WE EVEN HAD A, I THINK, A GROUNDBREAKING. 
          UM, BUT NOW HERE WE ARE AND IT'S THE FUTURE LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE. 
          I HAVE SOME PRACTICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROADWAY BEHIND THE FACILITY THAT'S GONNA BE GOING TO THE, UM, FAIRGROUNDS. 
          I WOULD, IT'S NOT LISTED AS A PUBLIC ROADWAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE, UM, TWO LANES. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THAT ROADWAY BEHIND THE FACILITY BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SPEEDWAY PARKING LOT. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, SO, SO I THINK BEING SENSITIVE TO THE, TO THE ONGOING FAIRGROUNDS, MASTER PLANNING, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DESIGN ANY ROADWAYS THAT GO CONTINUOUSLY. 
          SO BOTH ON THE SIDES, 
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THOSE ARE INITIALLY ACCESS ROADS. 
          THE ONE ON THE, UH, THE EXITS TO TOWARDS THE POOL SWIM CENTER IS GONNA BE STRICTLY FOR, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE RESPONSE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR STAFF WILL BE PRIMARILY GOING OUT. 
          THE REAR ONE THAT BOTH, BOTH OF WHICH WILL DEAD END TEMPORARILY. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE ONE TO THE REAR BY THE SPEEDWAY, I, I THINK IS ENVISIONED BOTH IT'S BIDIRECTIONAL FOR STAFF COMING IN THAT GATE OR LEAVING THAT GATE AS WELL AS, UH, THERE'S STILL A GATE FOR THE SPEEDWAY THERE. 
          SO THERE'S ACCESS TO GO INTO THE SPEEDWAY OFF THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING OR SEEKING THE PUBLIC TO DRIVE DOWN IT OR PARK DOWN IT. 
          IT'S ENVISIONED TO BE REALLY AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE ROUTE FOR THOSE VEHICLES. 
          AND THEN SHOULD DOWN THE ROAD, THROUGH THE FUTURE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, IT ALIGN WITH, UH, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THERE. 
          WE'D WANT TO TIE INTO THAT AND BUILD OFF OF THOSE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT, THAT INVESTMENTS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PLANNING, THE UTILITIES, THESE ARE ALL INVESTMENTS INTO THAT, THAT, UH, FUTURE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. 
          THE REASON I ASK IS CURRENTLY, UM, DURING THE SPEEDWAY WHEN THE, WHEN THE SPEEDWAY EVENT IS OVER AND EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO EXIT AT 9 45, IT'S QUITE, UM, PACKED WITH TRAFFIC. 
          AND ALSO PARKS NOW HAVE GATES AND THEY CLOSE AND THE FAIRGROUND IS CONSIDERED A PARK. 
          AND SO IT CLOSES I THINK AT 10 O'CLOCK AND OPENS AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING. 
          AND SO I DIDN'T SEE A GATE IN THE DESIGN, SO IF ALSO I'LL LET THAT BE GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE FEEDBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALSO BEING PRACTICAL, HOW IS THE CONSTRUCTION IN 2026? IS IT GONNA BE BEFORE OR AFTER JUNE'S FAIR AND THE SPEEDWAY GOES THROUGH, I WANNA SAY OCTOBER. 
          SO I, WE, I WANTED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE THINKING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS NEXT SUMMER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WORKING WITH THE, THE DESIGN BUILD ENTITY CONTRACTOR, WHEN THEY GET ON BOARD, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT PHASED CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY BEFOREHAND TO GET IN AND, AND DO SOME TO THE DEMOLITION AND MAYBE DO SOME GRADING. 
          BUT WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF WHATEVER EVENTS THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS NEEDS TO FACILITATE. 
          AND ALL OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED INTO THE, INTO THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULING WITH THE DESIGN BUILD ENTITY. 
          BUT GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THANK YOU. 
          GOOD ANSWER AT A CONSTRUCTION START IN JUNE AND, AND DETAILS, I'D BE HAPPY IF WE WERE OUT THERE BY JUNE, THAT WOULD BE A GOAL. 
          UM, I'LL SAVE THE, MY REST FOR LATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO MY, WELL, ONE THING IS, IS THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE, UM, RENTING SPACE FOR EQUIPMENT, SO WILL THAT EQUIPMENT NOW BE ON THIS SITE? YES, IT'S PLANNED FOR TO BE ON THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, FOR ME, UM, MOBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I TALKED WITH, UM, CHIEF SHOCK TODAY AND I THINK YOU SHARED WHAT I SAID, AND I JUST REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE MOBILITY IS REALLY LOOKED AT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT IMPACTS THIS AREA AND THE WAY THAT CURVE IS AT JOHNSON, YOU HAVE, UM, KIDS FROM THE LITTLE SKATEBOARD PARK AND FROM THE POOL CROSSING OVER. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS AREA IS SAFE AS CAN BE. 
          AND I KNOW LIKE SOMETIMES THE WORD ROUNDABOUT IS SCARY FOR PEOPLE, BUT THERE ARE LIKE SAFE ISLANDS ON ROUNDABOUTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF PEDESTRIANS THERE AS KIDS, PEOPLE GOING INTO THE TARGET CENTER. 
          AND THEN THAT GOES BACK TO THIS, UM, LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          WILL, WILL THAT ACT THAT'LL BE OPENED, IT'S NOT GATES TO GET THROUGH, SO THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, CORRECT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. 
          AND, AND AS YOU SAW WITH THE ONE GRAPH IN THE LPA SLIDES, WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD WORK WITH OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TEAM AND SAFE MOBILITY TO TRY TO ALIGN THE MULTI-USE PASS AND BIKE TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS INTO PART OF THE BROADER ACTIVE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          AND THEN I WOULD SAY TO THE, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, LIVE OAK SCHOOL IS, UH, RELOCATING. 
          SO WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF YOUTH THAT ARE IN THAT AREA ON A DAILY, UH, DAILY VOLUME AS WELL AS, UH, WE COINCIDENTALLY SEE WHEN POLICE ARE PRESENT PRODUCTIONS IN SPEED AND BETTER BEHAVIORS. 
          AND SO WHAT BETTER SOLUTION THAN THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, BEING RIGHT THERE. 
          INVISIBLE . 
          I, I LIKE THAT ANSWER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AND THEN I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE PARKING AREA THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF TREES OR I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S TREES BACK THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT, UM, HEAT ISLANDS AND HOW TO REDUCE THAT. 
          AND I KNOW THE PHOTO PHOTOVOLTAICS WILL DO THAT, BUT THERE'S STILL GONNA BE, IT'S 124 
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PARKING SPACES, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S LOOKED AT TO SEE HOW IT COULD BE DONE, UM, AND WORK. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY CAN'T BE AND WHERE THEY POSSIBLY COULD BE. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW, BUT I, I DO WANNA SAY I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THIS AND I'M GONNA BE ALIVE TO SEE IT ACTUALLY BUILT  AND THAT IS VERY EXCITING. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          YEAH, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE $5 MILLION FROM LAND SALE, IS THAT FROM THE EXISTING POLICE STATION OR ARE THERE OTHER, UH, SITES IN THAT AS WELL? IT'S THE POLICE STATION AND THE PROPERTY, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE OVERFLOW PARKING OUT THERE AT THE BACK, UM, THERE WAS MENTION AS LIKE OVERFLOW PARKING AND THEN ALSO STORM WATER RETENTION. 
          CAN WE JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY SIZABLE CHUNK OF PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST NOT PROGRAMMED. 
          CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND YEAH, I'LL, I'LL START MAYBE HIGHLIGHTING THE NEED AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LANCE TO EXPLAIN MAYBE HOW IT'S BEING ENVISIONED. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS AND REALLY BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN THIS PROJECT, UH, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN THE, THE PRIOR MASTER PLANNING, IT WAS A MUCH LARGER FACILITY. 
          WE HAVE REALLY SHAVED AND REDUCED AND GONE TO, YOU KNOW, 105 EMPLOYEES FROM MY BUILDING ARE MOVING IN THERE. 
          ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LEAN AND WE'RE HEARING AND WE'RE LEARNING FROM OTHER PARTNERS THAT HAVE BUILT FACILITIES RECENTLY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SPACE INSIDE THE BUILDING ONCE IT'S DESIGNED. 
          SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTING INCREASED PROPERTY STORAGE. 
          WE HAVE THE, THE OVERSIZED VEHICLE STORAGE. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, POTENTIAL NEEDS THERE. 
          AND SO WE'RE ENVISIONING IF WE HAVE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY BUILDING ONTO THAT, WE CAN ALSO DESIGN IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT NEEDED TO BE TO THE LEVEL OF AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE LEVEL, WHICH IS 10 TIMES TO CODE AND REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND WE CAN MAYBE MOVE SOME OF THE, THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING IF WE HAVE, UH, FUTURE GROWTH AND MOVE THAT INTO AN ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT IS MORE AFFORDABLE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY TO THE SAME STANDARD, AND ALLOW THIS TO BE A PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING INTO DAY ONE OR YEAR 10 THAT IS NO LONGER VIABLE. 
          IT HAS SOME GROWTH THERE. 
          AND SO WE SHAVED THAT INITIAL SITE PLAN DOWN FROM FIVE ACRES TO, TO JUST OVER THREE, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO ENVISIONING OPPORTUNITIES THERE ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT TO DO SOME OF THOSE WATER RETENTION. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LANCE, COMMENT FURTHER ON THAT. 
          UM, SO AS SOME OF THE, UH, MEASURES THAT, UH, THE CHIEF HAD JUST MENTIONED, IT'S, UH, IT'S GREAT IN THE SENSE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO REDUCE COSTS AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, FOOTPRINT, BUT THEN IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE IN REGARDS TO, UH, MANAGE THAT STORM WATER THAT'S, UH, NECESSARY. 
          UH, TYPICALLY THERE'S A PART, UH, UH, PARTICULAR RATIO OF SITE THAT YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THE STORM WATER, UH, ON, ON, ON A PARTICULAR AREA OR ON A PARTICULAR SITE. 
          AND SO, UM, WITH THAT OVERFLOW PARKING BEING IN THE SOUTH, UH, A PORTION OF THE SITE, IT ALSO IS A LOWER PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW WE WOULD ACTUALLY DIRECT THE WATER WITHIN THAT SPACE. 
          AND SO WHILE IT'D BE A GREAT SPACE FOR OVERFLOW PARKING, UM, IT IS, IT DOUBLES FOR THAT STORM WATER. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT OVERALL ZONE, BUT WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN, UH, WITHIN THE OVERALL SITE, UH, SYSTEMATICALLY TO WHERE THE MAJORITY OF IT CAN BE WITHOUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF FUTURE GROWTH AND EXPANSION. 
          AND STILL ALLOW FOR US TO ALLOW FOR THAT SITE TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, LATER, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, AND STILL MAINTAIN THAT STORM WATER ELEMENT WITHIN THE SITE. 
          THANKS, UM, APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, CAN I DO ONE QUICK ADD? OF COURSE. 
          WHERE BARN YOURS? UH, ONE OTHER THING AS WE, AS WE LAID IT OUT, THERE'S, UH, THE EGRESS OR INGRESS FROM THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER THAT ENTERS OR THAT EXITS ONTO KENNELWORTH. 
          AND AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED, IT WASN'T RIGHT IN A LINE WITH THAT TARGET SHOPPING CENTER ROAD, THAT'S ALSO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION BIKE ROUTE OVER THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, FREEWAY ACCESS. 
          AND SO TO MAKE IT A CLEANER FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION AND TO HAVE THAT MULTI-USE PATH BICYCLE ROUTE TO GO RIGHT FROM THAT OVERPASS THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT DIRECTLY INTO THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY. 
          NOW AS MENTIONED, WE JUST TERMINATED AND THAT'S FOR FUTURE PLANNING ON WHERE THAT GOES, BUT IT CREATED A GOOD GATEWAY FOR THE RACETRACK ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UM, AND ALLOWED US THAT LITTLE BIT OF CAPABILITY FOR THE OTHER THINGS YOU HEARD ABOUT TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I SEE THAT NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT. 
          UM, SO ON THE MATERIALS, UM, I'M GONNA FORM THIS AS A QUESTION. 
          WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LIKE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT WERE CONSIDERED BUT WEREN'T SELECTED? JUST 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT AND I LITERALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE CONCRETE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER MATERIALS MIGHT EVEN BE ON THE TABLE. 
          WE LOOKED AT BRICK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WE 
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LOOKED AT, UH, METAL SIDING. 
          THOSE WERE THE IN CONCRETE, THOSE WERE THE THREE PRIMARY V ON CONCRETE AND SPECIFICALLY THE SORT OF FORMED CONCRETE TO GIVE IT SORT OF A RICH TEXTURE MM-HMM . 
          UM, BECAUSE OF NUMBER ONE, THE RESILIENCY, SORT OF LONG-TERM DURABILITY OF IT. 
          UM, AND FOR, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL MATERIALS. 
          THE CONCRETE WE'RE GONNA HAVE REGARDLESS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO ANYTHING WE PUT ON TOP OF THAT IS ADDITIVE. 
          ADDITIVE IN TERMS OF COST LESS RESILIENT. 
          SO JUST TO REPHRASE WHAT I THINK I HEARD THERE, DON'T STEP AWAY YET, UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY ADDITIONAL MATERIALS WOULD BE AN LIKE A, A NOTABLE INCREASE IN COST? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU GET COST SAVINGS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE WAVY CONCRETE? UH, SOME. 
          SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'M GONNA PHRASE THIS AS A QUESTION AS WELL. 
          CAN SOMEONE AFTER THE MEETING SEND US LIKE, UM, UH, A LIST OF FACILITIES IN THE NEARBY REGION WHERE SOME OF THESE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN USED JUST SO WE CAN GO CHECK 'EM OUT? WE, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW YOU TILT WALL STRUCTURES ALL DAY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A FACILITY IN THE AREA THAT HAS THE EXACT SORT OF SHAPE AND FORM OF THE TILT WALL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE PRETTY UNIQUE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO SEE THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL. 
          IT'S JUST HARD TO SEE. 
          I HAVE TO GET ON THE AIRPLANE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S HARD TO SEE WITH SOME OF THIS, BUT YEAH, MAYBE JUST SOME LIKE MORE IMAGERY OF SURE. 
          LIKE IT ACTUALLY IN THE WILD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK, WILL THERE BE ANY FUELING ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE, UM, STAFF VEHICLES? SERVICE VEHICLES AND UH, WHERE'S THE DIESEL TANK? I MEAN, ARE, SO TWO QUESTIONS FUELING GENERATOR? GENERATOR, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'D BE USING WHAT OUR EXISTING MODEL IS, WHICH IS WE DON'T KEEP ANY FUEL ON SITE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUEL SERVICES ON SITE AND IN THE EVENTS OF AN EMERGENCY OPERATION, WE WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC WORK PUBLIC WORKS PARTNERS TO BRING FUEL FOR THE GENERATION SERVICES NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, UM, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER ROOM, A EOC, UH, I'M WONDERING HOW LARGE IT IS. 
          UH, I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW USES REGIONAL TRAINING AT LUCCHESE CENTER AND IS IT BIG ENOUGH SO THAT THE FIRETRUCKS AREN'T THERE AT THE FARMER'S MARKET ANYMORE?  YEAH, WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE, WE ARE REALLY BAD ABOUT THAT TIMING, UH, WHEN WE DO THAT TRAINING. 
          SO YES, THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, IT'S JUST OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND, UH, IT COULD ACCOMMODATE A ROOM SET UP AS AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, BUT ALSO AS A CLASSROOM TO ACCOMMODATE ABOUT 40 STUDENTS. 
          SO YES, IT'LL BE THAT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, HOPEFULLY PRIMARILY WILL BE USED FOR DEPARTMENT TRAINING, UH, EVENTS WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ENGAGING THE PUBLIC WITH THE CITIZEN ACADEMY OR OTHER SUCH THINGS. 
          SO YES, IT'LL BE USED FOR MANY OTHER THINGS AND INCLUDING, AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT, IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, SO IT HELPS WITH RESPONSE TIMES WHEN WE DO NEED TO GET TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE REGIONAL TRAININGS THERE, WOULD YOU ALLOW ALL THE REGIONAL VEHICLES INTO YOUR YARD? IS THAT, DOES THE YARD KIND OF ALLOW FOR THAT KIND OF OVERFLOW CAPACITY? IT'S, IT'S PRETTY TIGHT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE ANYTHING WORK THAT WE NEED TO. 
          YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT SO FAR. 
          YEP. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY. 
          UM, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT WHERE ARE ATTENDEES OF THE RACETRACK? YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S RACES, WHEN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE FAIR, PEOPLE USE THE, THE FRONT PARKING LOT AND THEN THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT'S STORED THERE FROM THE CARNIVAL OPERATORS. 
          UM, WHERE WILL THAT PARKING NOW BE DIVERTED OR GO WITH, WITH THE LOSS OF THAT? I KNOW THAT, UH, OUR COMMUNITY, INGRID, I FORGOT INGRID'S TITLE. 
          INGRID'S MET WITH RICK AT THE RACETRACK AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PLANS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO TO SEEK HIS FEEDBACK AND INPUT ON HOW TO BEST ACCOMMODATE, UH, ALL PARTIES. 
          AND IT WASN'T REALLY EASY TO SEE ON SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UM, SLIDES. 
          BUT WITH THE NEW RACEWAY ENTRANCE, IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY ENTRANCE OFF OF KENNELWORTH, THAT ROAD CAN GO DOWN AND THERE'S, WE HAVE SCHEMATICS OF PARKING THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD GO BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY AND THE, WHERE THE, THE FAIR CONCOURSE OPERATES. 
          THERE'S LAND IN BETWEEN THERE THAT CAN BE USED AS PARKING AND STILL ACCESS, UH, THE RACEWAY. 
          SO THERE'S, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS, HARD TO EXPLAIN IT WITHOUT THE DRAWING, BUT WE CAN SHARE THAT WHAT WHAT'S BEEN, UM, IMAGINED AND, UH, AND GET BETTER DETAIL ON THAT. 
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YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, LET'S GET TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE EMAILS AHEAD OF TIME ABOUT THIS. 
          WE HAVE, I BELIEVE WE'VE RECEIVED 21. 
          THOSE WERE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE, AND I HAVE ALSO RECEIVED SEVERAL CARDS. 
          UM, UH, I GET THERE'S A RUSH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, MEMBERS ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR FOR THE URGENCY. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          UH, RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. 
          UH, AND A REMINDER THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED, UH, PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, 15, UH, PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT AND, UM, I'M GONNA ASK THE CLERK TO SET THE CLOCK AT TWO MINUTES FOR EACH PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE, UH, JUST EXCITED THAT, UH, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO THIS POINT, YOU CAN SAY GO TEAM AND, UH, NOT TAKE THE WHOLE TWO MINUTES AND, AND  AND IF SOMEONE HAS MADE THE POINT AND YOU WANNA REITERATE IT, YOU CAN SAY, ME TOO AND, AND MAYBE NOT USE THE WHOLE TWO MINUTES. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE, UH, CONTENT YOU WANT IN THERE FOR THE TWO MINUTES, IT'S THERE FOR, UM, FOR YOU TO, TO SPEAK. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH LUKE MA AND UM, THIS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN HANIA. 
          UH, YEAH, MY NAME IS LUKE ELLI. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE I'M A STAKEHOLDER IN THIS THING BECAUSE, UH, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEAR JOURNEY I THINK OF, UH, THE WHOLE FAIRGROUND, I DON'T WANNA SAY CIRCUS, BUT, UM, ALL THE PLANNING THAT'S GONE THROUGH, UM, KIND OF SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BLURRY AND I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED. 
          UM, NOT THAT WE DON'T NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT THAT THEY DON'T NEED A NEW HOUSE, UM, THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, UM, BEFORE WE HAVE AN IDEA, A BETTER SCOPE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO I THINK I'M JUST COMMENTING ON, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT HASTY TO START THIS PROJECT AND THEN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING AFTERWARDS AS OPPOSED TO, UM, KIND OF COMING UP WITH FINISHING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S GONNA PUSH TIMELINES AND POSSIBLY BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, RESPONSIBLE DESIGN. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SIGHT CONCERN THERE. 
          I THINK, UH, LIKE I SAID, BEING A NEIGHBOR, I WANT TO BE, UH, VERY, UH, ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THIS COULD, UH, CHANGE THINGS OVER THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JOHN NIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE WELLS AND MARY BRISCOE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I DON'T SEE NO BOTTLE OF CHAMPAGNE. 
          UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY, IT'S TAKEN A LONG, LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. 
          IT'S LONG OVER TWO, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN AND I DON'T WANNA MIX MY CONCERN WITH THE PROGRESS. 
          MY CONCERN IS IF YOU RECALL KEVIN, WHEN YOU BECAME A MAYOR, THE QUESTION I ASK, AND I ECHO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN HAVE SAID, THE MASTER PLAN AND YOU, YOUR EXACT WORDS SAID, WE NEED A MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THE QUESTION I SAID BACK THEN, OKAY, ARE YOU GONNA CARVE THE FAIRGROUND? AND THE RESPOND WAS NO. 
          AND IF, AND IF ALL OF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF JUST SAID WHEN THE CITIZEN TOOK BACK THE FAIRGROUND, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT THE CITIZEN TOOK THE FAIRGROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SEEMED THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND TRYING TO SHOVE PROGRESS DOWN THE COMMUNITY'S THROAT. 
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AND I DO ECHO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME HAVE SAID, WHERE'S ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY? OKAY. 
          AND WHY AREN'T WE PULLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? THE SAFETY CENTER WHERE THE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND KEEPING THE FAIRGROUND A PARK-LIKE HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR SINCE 1910. 
          WHY ISN'T IT MOVED NEXT TO THE LIBRARY WHERE THE PARK IS AND MOVING THE PARK BACK THERE. 
          SO THE LOCATION IS THE ISSUE. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS NOT ANSWERING QUESTION. 
          UH, CHIEF IS THE TRAFFIC UNIT, IS IT GONNA STILL BE AT PARRAN OR IS IT GONNA BE MOVING TO THE FACILITY? SO ANYBODY KNOWS IF THAT TRAFFIC UNIT IS GONNA BE STILL AT PARRAN OR IS IT GONNA BE MOVED TO THE FACILITY? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CATHERINE WELLS AND MARY BRUSCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY KEVIN FOSTER. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCDONALD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PLANNING COMMISSIONING MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER FLYNN. 
          UH, THIS LETTER WAS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO READ IT HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. 
          SO WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETALUMA POLICING FOUNDATION. 
          AND IN ORDER TO READ, I'VE PUT MY GLASSES ON. 
          THE PETALUMA POLICING FOUNDATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTS THE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          THERE ARE MULTIPLE REASONS OUR BOARD SUPPORTS THIS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE LONGSTANDING NEED FOR MODERNIZATION OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. 
          THE NEW FACILITY WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS, AND WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENT OPERATA OPERATIONS AS THIS FACILITY WILL SPECIFICALLY BE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED WITH THE INTENT TO SERVE A PUBLIC SAFETY ROLE. 
          SOME OF THE SPECIFIC BENEFITS THAT WILL COME FROM THIS PROJECT INCLUDE A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THE EOC TO RESPOND TO WILDFIRES, EVACUATIONS, EARTHQUAKES, AND FLOODING, A DA AND OSHA COMPLIANT PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, MODERNIZATION OF POLICE DISPATCH AND FASTER RESPONSE TIMES DUE TO A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AS HAS BEEN NOTED, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY HOUSED IN A FORMER MORTUARY, WHICH THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN IN SINCE 1989. 
          FORMER JAIL CELLS ARE USED FOR STORAGE. 
          THERE'S NO ROOM RESTROOM IN DISPATCH, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS LONG OUTGROWN THE SPACE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF PETALUMA. 
          A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION WILL RESULT IN FASTER RESPONSE TIMES TO THE SOUTHERN PARTS OF THE TOWN. 
          FINALLY, THE NEW FACILITY WILL PROVIDE APPROPRIATE AND MODERN AMENITIES FOR A DIVERSE WORKFORCE. 
          FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS THAT SUPPORTS THEIR WELLNESS AND OPERATIONAL NEEDS. 
          WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          IT WILL BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED LOCATION ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE EXISTING USE AND ANY FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          FAST SENTENCE. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WAY TO GO. 
          KEVIN FOSTER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, UM, RICK A GARTH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. 
          CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSIONING PLAN. 
          MY NAME IS KEVIN FOSTER AND I'M HERE, UM, NOT JUST AS A MEMBER OF COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO A GRADUATE OF THE 2024 COMMUNITY POLICE ACADEMY. 
          NOW, AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN OUR WONDERFUL CITY, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE ACTUALLY THE TRANSPARENCY OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT, UH, THE RELOCATION OF BOTH THE POLICE AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS. 
          THIS, UH, WILL, UH, IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE TIMES FOR MYSELF AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND EVERYONE HERE. 
          THIS WILL ALSO ENHANCE THE FAIRGROUNDS BY BEING A, UH, HUGE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND AGAIN, AS I SAY, AS A GRADUATE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE ACADEMY, I URGE EVERYONE HERE IF POSSIBLE, TO BE A MEMBER AND JOIN, UH, THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THIS TRANSPARENCY OF THE GROWTH OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND TRULY THE, THE CARE THAT THEY PUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY AS COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF US PUTTING PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES AT A CENTRAL POINT IN THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND BY CONNECTING AND CONTINUING TO IMPROVE AND PROTECT, BUT ALSO CELEBRATE THE LAND THAT'S THERE. 
          AND THAT'S THE KEY FACTOR THAT I SEE TO CELEBRATE THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR WHAT IT CAN BE AND TO PROTECT THAT FOR OUR CHILDREN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, RICK GART TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MACK THOMPSON. 
          THOMAS THOMPSON, THAT'D BE 
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NAME, RICK FAITH, PETALUMA SPEEDWAY, UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, CITY STAFF. 
          UM, SO I GUESS I'M THE GUY THAT, UH, PUTS THE PEOPLE IN THAT FAMOUS GRANDSTAND SLIDE  EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT. 
          UM, ALSO, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE STILL WANT TO HAVE A SPEEDWAY, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ABOUT SE THOSE, I DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH FOR THE FANCY SLIDES AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN EIGHTHS OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT, ACCORDING TO THAT OVERLAY FLOOR FOR THE NEW SAFETY CENTER WOULD, UH, TAKE AWAY ABOUT 300 PARKING SPOTS. 
          SO, UM, THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE A, A ALTERNATIVE PARKING PLANT IF WE STILL WANT TO HAVE, FORGET ABOUT THE SPEEDWAY FOR A SECOND. 
          IF YOU WANT TO HAVE EVENTS AT THE, AT THE, AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, AT ANY SCALE, PROBABLY ABOVE THE QUINCEANERA LEVEL, YOU'RE GONNA NEED 300 PARKING SPOTS. 
          UM, THE SUSTAINABILITY AND VIABILITY OF THE SPEEDWAY COME INTO PLAY, JUST SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THAT AMOUNT, THAT FEW OF PARKING SPOTS. 
          SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE IS A LAND AVAILABLE IF IT'S ABOUT REPURPOSING THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          THE CARNIVAL LOT IF WE LOOKED OVER THERE THE LAST COUPLE WEEKEND, IS BEING PARKED WITH VEHICLES. 
          SO I'M CONFIDENT BY, BY USING NOS CONCOURSE, BY REPURPOSING WITH THE LOSS OF LIVE OAK, UH, CERTAIN PARKING STRUCTURES AND SPARK PARKING, UM, THE ABILITY TO RE RELOCATE PARKING AND REIMAGINE THE FACILITY THAT THE SPEEDWAY WILL MAINTAIN ITS VIABILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY. 
          BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WITH THAT OVERLAY IN THOSE 52 SPOTS, UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH, UH, THE CITY STAFF, UH, WITH INGRID'S DEPARTMENT PARKS AND REC, UH, FOR THAT, UH, PARKING PLAN, ALTERNATIVE PARKING PLAN, SO THAT THE SPEEDWAY CAN STILL SURVIVE AND THRIVE. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU M THOMPSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM RAGUSA. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S MACK THOMPSON. 
          I'M THE UNION PRESIDENT FOR THE PETALUMA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 1415. 
          THIS IS REED DOT, UH, WITH THE PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION OF PETALUMA. 
          SO WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING YOUR EMPLOYEES, UM, OF UNIT SIX AND UNIT SEVEN. 
          UM, AND WE FIRST WANT TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT OF OUR TIME TO JUST THANK, UH, THE CITY LEADERSHIP, UH, WORKING RIGHT HERE, THE HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE, UH, AND THE TIME THAT YOU SPEND TO GET THE GEARS TURNING. 
          I KNOW THIS IS AN EXCITING PROJECT, UM, BUT I, UNDER, WE UNDERSTAND THE LONG HOURS THAT ARE AND THE THANKLESS HOURS THAT ARE PUT INTO THIS. 
          UM, SO REALLY TO MAYOR MCDONALD, VICE MAYOR, NOW, THE ENTIRE CITY, CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS, UH, CITY MANAGER FLYNN, ENTIRE CITY STAFF, UH, CHIEF SHOCK AND CHIEF MILLER, UM, AND ALL THOSE THAT I CAN'T THINK TO RECOGNIZE AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS TO THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A REWARDING EXPERIENCE, UM, AND EXCITING TIMES. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, WE'RE HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE TWO OF US IS, UH, IS TO REALLY JUST ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTLESS CALLS THAT WE GO ON TOGETHER, UH, AND THE CRITICAL, UH, SIMPLE CALLS, BUT ALSO THE, THE DISASTERS THAT ARE COMING AHEAD OF US. 
          UH, THE ABILITY TO BE TOGETHER IN A FACILITY AND WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER JUST MAKES OUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT MUCH STRONGER. 
          UH, PUTTING A FACILITY RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, EVEN THOUGH OUR THREE STATIONS ARE CENTRAL, ARE IN SORT OF PERFECT LOCATIONS. 
          HAVING A FOURTH STATION, WHICH IS CRITICAL, UH, IS, UH, PUTTING THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN IS, IS IDEAL. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THE LADDER TRUCK ITSELF, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, VERY WELL THAT WE ARE HERE DILIGENTLY FIGHTING FOR THIS CITY AS, AS A LABOR GROUP, AS YOUR EMPLOYEES TO HELP WITH, UM, MEASURE U, MEASURE H, UH, AND CONTINUING TO HELP THE REVENUE TO MAKE THESE, UH, PRO UH, PROJECTS HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST WITH THAT, I ALSO WANT TO INVITE YOU ALL, PLEASE COME, UM, TO THE FIRE STATION, TO THE POLICE STATION, AND VISIT US ANYTIME. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          SEE THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS MAY, UM, AND TOM RAGUSA TO BE FOLLOWED BY REBECCA CARPENTER. 
          UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, CHIEFS, UH, TOM RAGUSA. 
          I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PETALUMA SINCE 1984. 
          I WAS IN THE FIRE SERVICE, UH, FROM 1976 THROUGH 2017. 
          I'VE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN MANY WAYS WITH THE PIMA FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR THEIR MASTER PLAN FOCUSED ON PUBLIC SAFETY BACK IN 1996 WHEN, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER GOING BACK INTO THE EIGHTIES, UH, THREE STATIONS, UH, STILL HAVE THREE STATIONS, BENCHMARKS FOR GETTING A LADDER TRUCK, ADDING MEDIC UNITS. 
          THE SYNERGY THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW FOR WHERE YOU'RE AT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL. 
          UH, THE FIREFIGHTERS WON'T SAY IT, BUT THE FRUSTRATION OF THEIR CURRENT FACILITIES, THEIR CURRENT STAFFING, 
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UM, UNDERWHELMING, AND FOR THEM TO GET TO THIS WITH YOUR HELP AND YOUR GUIDANCE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FOR THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA, UH, REMARKABLE. 
          SO DON'T GIVE UP, DON'T GET STALLED. 
          UH, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE PRIZE. 
          UH, WHEN IT CAME TO THE QUESTION I HEARD OF SUSTAINABILITY AND CONSTRUCTION FEATURES, I, I'LL SAY BLUNTLY, UH, YOU CAN'T GO CHEAP ON THE FIT AND FINISH. 
          THIS IS A FACILITY THAT YOU WANT TO LAST. 
          I SAW 44 STATIONS IN THE SAN FRANCISCO FIRE DEPARTMENT REBUILT BY VARIOUS CONTRACTORS. 
          SOME LASTED THREE OR FOUR YEARS BEFORE, UH, REPAIRS WERE NEEDED AND, AND SOME WERE BUILT WITH QUALITY WORKMANSHIP. 
          SO KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE FIT, FINISHES AND SUSTAINABILITY OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, REBECCA CARPENTER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, REED DAVID. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I WAS A PANELIST WITH THE HEALTHY DEMOCRACY FAIRGROUND GROUP, AND WE DEFINITELY TALKED ABOUT HAVING POLICE AND FIRE ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          UM, IT WASN'T MAYBE THE TOP IDEA IN THE FINAL REPORT, BUT IF YOU GO TO IT ONLINE, YOU'LL FIND IT. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY IN THERE THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO I'M NOT SHOCKED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS. 
          UM, ALSO WE WANT IT TO BE VERY PARK-LIKE. 
          SO I GET IT ABOUT THE FENCE AND SAFETY AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WE REALLY WANNA SEE A LOT OF TREES. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE PARKED LIKE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ROOTING FOR. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, REID DOT, UM, ARE YOU, HE SPOKE OKAY. 
          DID YOU YOU GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, UH, JEFF LICKE TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, TARS, UM, FLORIDE. 
          CHARLES CHARLES SHOULD LET, I THINK  CHARLES FLORIS. 
          YEAH, HE WANT ME LOOK AT HIM. 
          I GOT THAT HANDWRITING SO I CAN, I CAN. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M JEFF EWE. 
          I'M THE FIRE CHIEF OF RANCHO ADOBE FIRE DISTRICT, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE SONOMA COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND REPRESENTING OUR PRESIDENT, STEVE AKER. 
          THIS IS A LETTER THAT WAS PEN BY OUR PRESIDENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO READ TO THE BOARD. 
          ON BEHALF OF THE SONOMA COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, I WRITE TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED POLICE FIRE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS SIGNIFICANT AND NECESSARY INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ONE OF SONOMA COUNTY'S LARGEST AND MOST STRATEGICALLY LOCATED CITIES AS PUBLIC SAFETY LEADERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WE UNDERSTAND THE DEMANDS PLACED ON FIRE EMS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES DEMANDS THAT REQUIRE MODERN RESILIENT FACILITIES CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING COORDINATED RESPONSES AND DAILY EMERGENCIES AND LARGE SCALE DISASTERS. 
          THE PROPOSED FACILITY WILL ENHANCE PETALUMA'S ABILITY TO DELIVER EMERGENCY SERVICES, COORDINATE MULTI-AGENCY RESPONSE, AND ENSURE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT DURING CRISIS. 
          FURTHERMORE, WE SUPPORT THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S POSITION THAT FUNDING FROM SONOMA COUNTY'S MEASURE H SALES TAX IS APPROPRIATE AND INTENDED USE THE LANGUAGE AND INTENT TO MEASURE H ARE CLEAR TO SUPPORT AND ENHANCE THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          INVESTING IN MEASURE H FUNDS IN A CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY CAPITAL PROJECT, SUCH AS THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UH, IMPROVES OPERATIONAL CAPACITY, REGIONAL COORDINATION, DISASTER RESILIENCE, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE LETTER AND SPIRIT OF THE MEASURE. 
          THE SONOMA COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION VIEWS THIS FACILITY NOT ONLY AS A BENEFIT TO THE PETALUMA RESIDENTS, BUT AS A REGIONAL ASSET THAT WILL ENHANCE MUTUAL AID CAPACITY AND IMPROVE OUTCOMES ACROSS JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES. 
          AND WE URGE YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND PRIORITIZATION OF THIS PROJECT AND RESPECTFULLY ADVOCATE FOR THE ALLOCATION AND MEASURE H FUNDS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE FINANCING STRATEGY APPRECIATED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHARLES, UH, IS IT FLORES? CHARLES, THANK YOU, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, KATHLEEN BUN, UH, UH, NER. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS CARLOS FLORES. 
          I AM HERE REPRESENTING, UH, MY LOCAL, LOCAL 83 PAINTERS AND DRYWALL FINISHERS HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, WE HAVE OVER 300 PLUS MEMBERS, AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROJECT TO GO UNDER A PROJECT LABOR 
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AGREEMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. 
          UH, PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS HELP TO GET TO THAT GOAL THAT YOU'RE ASKING OF, UH, PREDICT PREDICTABLE COSTS AND SPEEDY COMPLETIONS. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP THE, UH, THE MONEY HERE IN PETALUMA BECAUSE YOU CAN, UH, SET THE LANGUAGE WHERE WE CAN FOCUS ON LOCAL HIRES. 
          WE'RE GONNA, UM, PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO SAFETY BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT GO THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS ARE FIVE-YEAR APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS LIKE OUR OWN. 
          SO WE HAVE TRAINING ON SAFETY MEASURES, UM, AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SAY THAT IT'S A PROJECT, IT'S A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. 
          SO THERE'S A DIR, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PROTECTIONS, BUT THOSE AREN'T ENOUGH. 
          AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OCCURRED WHEN I AS A ORGANIZER AT THE SAN RAFAEL SAFETY CENTER AS IT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED, I CAME ACROSS A COMPANY OF, UH, A PAINT COMPANY THAT WAS EXPLOITING THEIR WORKERS JUST OUTRIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WAS IT'S PREVAILING WAGE WORKERS ARE GETTING PAID PREVAILING WAGE, BUT EVERY MONDAY THEY HAD TO GO TO THE BANK, CASH THEIR CHECK, AND GIVE BACK HALF THE CHECK TO THE OWNER AND HIS COMPANIES. 
          I HAVE RECORDS FROM THE PAYROLL DEPARTMENT, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND THE ONLY REASON THEY THEY WEREN'T CONVICTED OR FOLLOWED UP WAS BECAUSE THESE WORKERS WERE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS AND THEY WERE SCARED TO COME FORWARD. 
          SO WHAT PROJECT LABOR'S AGREEMENTS DO IS HELP PROTECT THAT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WHEN WE HAVE WORKPLACE RAIDS OCCURRING FOR DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, WE CAN PUT LANGUAGE IN PLAS THAT HELP PROTECT OUR ALL OUR WORKERS. 
          SO I JUST ASK THAT WE CONSIDER A PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT. 
          I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU ALL AND PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE BUILDING TRADES PRESIDENT, MR. JOHN MEDINA. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          KATHLEEN FUNG NER, AND, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTUS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THAT WAS PRETTY DARN CLOSE. 
          UM, I'M KATHLEEN FUNKY SPIKER, AND, UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING, UM, WELL MYSELF, BUT, UM, ALSO, UM, UH, VOLUNTEER, UM, AUXILIARY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS FOR, UM, SONOMA COUNTY. 
          I'M A CERTIFIED DISASTER SERVICE WORKER. 
          UM, I VOLUNTEER THROUGH THE COUNTY AS AN EMERGENCY RADIO OPERATOR. 
          AND I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT OUR NEED FOR, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NEW EOC BE CONSIDERED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          UM, CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS, UM, ANTENNAS AND, UM, MESH NODES FOR, UH, FOR EMERGENCY, UH, DATA COMMUNICATIONS ARE NECESSARY TO BE CONSIDERED IN THAT DESIGN PROCESS. 
          UM, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE BUILT IN AT THE BEGINNING. 
          UM, AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, THAT THOSE NEEDS BE CONSIDERED FOR, UH, A LOCATION CLOSE TO THE EOC. 
          CURRENTLY WE OPERATE OUT OF THE, UM, THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF'S CABINET IN HIS OFFICE . 
          SO ANYWAYS, UM, YEAH, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT BUILDING IS OUTDATED. 
          BUT, UM, ANYWAYS, AND UM, ALSO ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE WHAT WOULD LIKE TO ECHO ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, AND THAT I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAYBE MOVING A LITTLE BIT FAST. 
          AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT COSTS GO UP THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT. 
          HOWEVER, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, UM, A, UH, GENERAL PLAN FOR THE FAIR GROUND BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER INTO THIS. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TIM PORTUS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROGERS GREETING CITY LEADERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          FOR MYSELF, I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT YES. 
          WE NEED THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE NEED THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE NEED THIS COMBINATION. 
          THIS FACILITY IS MORE IMPORTANT TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THIS CITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          NOTHING RATES AS HIGH AS THIS AND THEIR BUILDINGS TO RETROFIT THEM AT IT ALL UP. 
          IT'S A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY COMPARED TO THIS ONE TIME MAINTENANCE CEMENT IS MINIMAL. 
          IT'S REALLY NOT BAD. 
          FINISHES CAN BE DONE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE NEED. 
          I LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH SOME OF YOU KNOW, THEY 
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COME TO US, BUT I LOOK AT PLACES UP BEHIND THE BOWLING ALLEY WHERE WE MAY NEED THAT LADDER TRUCK, WHICH IS A LONG WAYS AWAY. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT EASILY DISTRIBUTED. 
          WHERE IT IS NOW IS TOUGH. 
          PLEASE DO, DO, VOTE FOR IT. 
          LET US HAVE THE PROTECTIONS WE NEED BECAUSE WE ALL DESERVE IT. 
          AND I'LL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME, FOR NOW, EACH ONE OF US TRULY NEEDS EACH ONE OF US, AND WE ALL NEED THIS PROTECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHANTEL ROGERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE SANCHEZ. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, WHAT I'M HOPING TO FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IS THE, UM, IS THE FLOW OF THE ACTUAL EMERGENCY VEHICLES OUT OF, OUT OF THIS AREA. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M DIDN'T FOLLOW EXACTLY WITH THE BACK THING OR WHATEVER. 
          SO LIKE A CALL COMES IN, THERE'S A BIG FIRE TO, UH, TRUCK'S GOTTA GO OUT THE, THE, THE FIRE CHIEF, AN AMBULANCE, AND THEY ALL COME TEARING OUT. 
          AND, AND WHERE AND WHERE DO THEY GO? AND DO THEY GO DOWN KENNELWORTH? YOU CAN'T GET ONTO WASHINGTON FROM THERE. 
          DO THEY GO DOWN WASHINGTON? DO THEY COME OUT OF THE BACK, GO ON KENNELWORTH, TURN ON JOHNSON HIT WASHINGTON, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, WASHINGTON IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED AND BOTH, UM, LANES BOTH WAYS. 
          SO, SO IS, ARE THERE GONNA BE SOME ADDITIONAL ROUTE OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HAVING A CLICKER THAT THAT TAKES CARE OF THE LIGHTS ISN'T GONNA DO YOU ANY GOOD ON WASHINGTON AFTER SCHOOL LET OUT OR DURING TRAFFIC TIME OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS LIKE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR GETTING THESE VEHICLES OUT? UM, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIME, LIKE THEY GOTTA GO SOMEPLACE. 
          THEY, IT, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR THEM TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UM, RE UH, DOING SIGNIFICANTLY THE, UM, FIRE STATION DOWNTOWN. 
          AND IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UM, FOR THIS NEW PROCESS. 
          BUT IN ORDER TO DO THE THE FIRE STATION, WE HAVE TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW FIRE STATION. 
          YOU GUYS ALLOTTED LIKE $3 MILLION I THINK LAST TIME TO RELOCATE THAT. 
          UM, BUT FIRST YOU HAVE TO PAVE SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          SO IF WE START TO GET DOWN TO LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF ACTUAL USE, MAYBE WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO RELOCATE THAT FIRE STATION AND WE CAN WAIT AND JUST RECLA RELOCATE THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A BRAND NEW BUILDING AVAILABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, STEPHANIE SANCHEZ IS OUR LAST SPEAKER ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT. 
          UM, CHANTELLE, I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU PROCEEDED ME BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUE IN THAT AREA. 
          I MEAN, I, I LIVE IN MIDTOWN AND I'M, I WAS, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CENTRALIZING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA DO ANYTHING BUT TRULY CON UH, COMPLICATE THAT CONGESTION IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS ONE HUGE QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT I'M GLAD SHE BROUGHT UP. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION TO TAKE IN TONIGHT, BUT, UH, WHAT THE ONLY PERSON UP HERE, COUNCIL PERSON, DI CARLY, UH, ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE DECISION WAS MADE TO DO THAT THERE, TO LOCATE THOSE TWO, UH, ENTITIES THERE. 
          AND SO I'M CONFUSED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A FA ACCOMPLI, WHETHER EVERYBODY HERE IS AGREEING THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OR WHAT. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN TO DIS ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WONDERFUL FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICEMEN THAT ARE HERE THAT I AM SURE DESERVE AND NEED A, UH, SOME MODERNIZED FACILITIES. 
          BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT ISN'T GOOD THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT AT ON PETAL PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THEM. 
          NO, I KNOW THAT THE FACILITY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE ACCESS THERE IS, IT IS ALMOST BETTER THAN BEING CRAMMED IN THE MIDDLE OF PETALUMA. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS, I, I'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS 
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AND I WAS HERE WHEN, UM, THE TARGET CENTER WAS PRESENTING ITSELF AS BEING A MIXED USE COMMUNITY THAT YOU WOULD WANNA STROLL DOWN THIS DOWN THE, UH, THE, THE TREE LINED AVENUES AND SHOP AND LIVE THERE. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THIS DESIGN FOR THE, UH, POLICE, UH, FOR THIS, THIS FACILITY, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST ONE GIANT MONOLITH. 
          IT'S JUST A BIG RECTANGULAR BUILDING, WHICH NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD NEEDS TO HAVE SECURITY AROUND IT. 
          SO THERE'S A FENCE WITH NO TREES AND THERE'S ALREADY NOT ENOUGH TREES ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          AND TO ME, A KIND OF PARK-LIKE AT, UH, ATMOSPHERE IS WHAT I THINK WE DESERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          ANYWAY, UM, SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT, UM, I'M SURE WE'LL ALL GET TO, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU, THANK VERY MUCH. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF YOU, YOU'RE GREAT PEOPLE, AND I KNOW WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, BUT I JUST WONDER WHETHER THIS REALLY, SO THANK YOU YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING TONIGHT. 
          AND UH, WE HAVE ONE LATE ENTRY, UH, PAUL FRANCIS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS. 
          HELLO, PAUL FRANCIS HERE. 
          UM, I LIVE IN THE EAST D STREET NEIGHBORHOOD, REPRESENT A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP THERE. 
          AND, UM, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE DROPPING ANOTHER BIG PROJECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN, AND I WANNA PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT THE POLICE, I SUPPORT THE FIREMEN. 
          I SEND THEM MY CHECKS, MY DONATIONS EVERY YEAR, UH, AND, UM, THE, THE, THE PRIMARY ISSUES I WANNA ADDRESS. 
          'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE VERY LIMITED TIME HERE. 
          UH, THE TRAFFIC, I MEAN, EAST WASHINGTON IS ALREADY A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE IN THE AFTERNOONS WE'RE HAVING TRAFFIC STACKING FOUR BLOCKS DOWN THE CORRIDOR. 
          UH, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS, UH, POLICE AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS. 
          I MEAN, CAUGHT BETWEEN THE SMART TRAIN CROSSING AND THIS CACOPHONY OF TRAFFIC IN THIS CORRIDOR. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, VEHICLES ARE GONNA THREAD THAT NEEDLE SERIOUSLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON AT P AT, UH, PEAK SEASON. 
          UM, THE FUNDING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS PROJECT IS GONNA BE A ROUGHLY $85 MILLION WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE, INCLUDING THE RETROFITS. 
          UH, AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING FROM MEASURE U, UH, THAT WASN'T, THIS SORT OF UNDERMINES THE INITIAL INTENT OF WHAT THAT TAX TAX MEASURE WAS INITIALLY SOLD ON THE PUBLIC FOR. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MANIPULATION GOING ON WITH THAT FUNDING. 
          AND I MEAN, I DO HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT AS I CAN SEE MY, MY CLOCK'S RUNNING OUT AND I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING. 
          NO MATTER WHERE THIS PROJECT GETS BUILT OR HOW IT GETS BUILT, THERE'S A A PUBLIC PUBLIC ART ELEMENT TO IT. 
          PLEASE NO MORE BATHTUBS. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, WITH THAT, THAT ENC CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT FOR THE NIGHT, AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK I, UH, I HEARD A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT LOCATION, AND I WANT TO KIND OF PUSH ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          THE, UM, I KNOW TONIGHT'S MEETING IS REALLY WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE THERE, AND NOT THE SIGHTING, WHICH IS WHAT WAS REVIEWED IN THE NOVEMBERS AND, AND PAST MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          UH, AND, AND THE FACT AND THE NEED FOR THE FACILITIES WAS SO MUCH, UH, INVOLVED IN THE HEALTHY DEMOCRACY FAIRGROUNDS PARTICIPATION WHERE EVERY GROUP, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND, UM, SO WITH, WITH THAT, I THINK WE'VE COVERED PREVIOUSLY AND I'D LIKE THE CHIEFS TO ADDRESS, UM, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS TYPICAL RESPONSE? UH, DOES, DOES EVERYBODY RUSH OUTTA THE STATION AT THE SAME TIME WE DO MUTUAL AID? HOW, WHAT'S A FIRE LOOK LIKE? OR WHAT'S A POLICE RESPONSE LOOK LIKE? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          SO OUT OF THAT FACILITY, UH, RESPONDING CODE THREE TO AN INCIDENT WOULD BE THE LADDER TRUCK AND A BATTALION CHIEF. 
          SO AN SUV, UH, WE CURRENTLY RESPOND, I KNOW WE ALL HAVE OUR CHALLENGES WITH EAST WASHINGTON AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IMMUNE OR BLIND TO THAT, BUT 
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WE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, 10% OF OUR CALLS ARE TRAVERSING EAST WASHINGTON TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY ON DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS TODAY. 
          SO WE DO, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS, WE DO THINGS THAT NORMAL PEOPLE CAN'T , AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE PULLING TO THE RIGHT AND STOPPING. 
          AND EVEN ON A TWO LANE ROAD, IF CARS ALL PULL TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S OFTENTIMES ENOUGH SPACE FOR US TO GET BY. 
          WE GO OPPOSITE DIRECTION, UM, AT, WHICH SEEMS SCARY, BUT WHEN WE'RE COMING HEAD ON WITH TRAFFIC, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY SEE US SOMETIMES BETTER THAN WHEN IN THEIR REAR VIEW MIRROR. 
          SO WE, SO WE, WE, UH, WE DO IT EVERY DAY IN HEAVILY CONGESTED AREAS. 
          THEY HAVE FIRE ENGINES IN SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE MORE CONGESTED. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S DOABLE. 
          I, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL CHALLENGES FOR THAT STATION. 
          PROB WE PROBABLY HAVE A CODE THREE OR LIGHTS AND SIREN RESPONSE PROBABLY IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD SEC, SIX TO 12 TIMES IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD THAT, THAT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND THEN IN A MAJOR INCIDENT, UH, THE, THE OTHER FIRE ENGINES THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE OTHER FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I'LL, I THINK THAT KINDA ANSWERED THAT FROM THE FIRE SIDE AND I'LL LET CHIEF MILLER WITH THE POLICE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, FUNDAMENTALLY WE HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT RESPONSE MODEL THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE ARE PROACTIVE, WE ARE IN THE FIELD. 
          UH, AND, UH, SO OUR OFFICERS, WHEN THEY COMPLETE THEIR BRIEFING, THEY GO OUT AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY PATROLLING IN THE FOUR QUADRANTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND SO WE, WE REALLY HOPE TO HAVE THEM SPENDING LESS TIME RESPONDING FROM THE STATION. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ADD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE CURRENTLY POSITIONED, WE'RE ISOLATED IN THE NORTH, UM, THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO MY HOME ON THE EAST SIDE WAS NOT BUILT WHEN WE OCCUPIED AND MOVED INTO THE CURRENT CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO BRODY RANCH HAS BEEN ADDED THE WHOLE SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY, SOUTHGATE, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ON OFF OF LAKEVILLE CORRIDOR. 
          AND WE SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF TOWN TO THEN COME BACK THROUGH THE CORRIDOR. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THE, THE BENEFIT OF, OF, IF WE STILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE SOME OF THOSE AREAS, WE'VE AT LEAST REDUCED THE, THE, THE DISTANCE THAT WE'RE TRAVELING BY 50% FOR 50% OF OUR CALLS, WHICH IS ABOUT 30,000 CALLS, UH, PER YEAR. 
          SO IT'S NOT A SMALL NUMBER. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ADD, MAYOR THAT, UM, RECENTLY LIVE OAK, UM, VACATED THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY AND THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM LIVE OAK, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER WAS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, UH, OUR, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF, OF SAFE, UH, MOBILITY AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, JEFF SUMAN ON THE CALL AND MAYBE CAN ANSWER THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY FROM A, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC. 
          DO YOU WANT, UH, IS THERE COMMENTS FROM MR. STEDMAN OR ARE WE GOOD? NO, WE'RE GOOD. 
          I CAN, I CAN FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THE, THE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I MEAN, TO PEGGY'S COMMENT OF, WITH LIVE OAK LEAVING A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION WITH THE TRAFFIC PRODUCED FROM THE SCHOOL COMPARED TO THE, THE FACIL, THE NEW FACILITY PROPOSED, I DO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO CHECK THE, UH, WEBSITE FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF TONIGHT'S WORKSHOP TURNS INTO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS WHERE WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, CATCH PEOPLE UP WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN INTO ALL THE MEETINGS ALL ALONG. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S A CHRONIC PUBLIC, PUBLIC ISSUE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE END, NEW QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED AND THEY NEED TO BE ANSWERED. 
          BUT, UM, PROBABLY WEBSITES THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT. 
          SO BRINGING IT BACK TO THE DAAS AND, AND, UH, OUR JOINT MEETING, UH, WE WERE, UH, TASKED TO LOOK AT THIS EXISTING BUILDING AND LAYOUT AND, UM, CAN I ASK FOR THAT SLIDE TO BE BROUGHT UP FROM, UH, UM, BROUGHT BACK UP ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA FOCUS TONIGHT? AND I KNOW IT INVOLVES THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION AND CIVIC PRESENCE, UH, PUBLIC ART INTEGRATION, PUBLIC PARKING, THE INTERIOR PARKING LOT, LANDSCAPING AND THE TREE REQUIREMENTS. 
          'CAUSE SOME OF THESE NEED SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. 
          AND, UM, WHEN WE GET THAT SLIDE UP THERE, I THINK, UM, WELL WHAT, WHAT I'LL DO IS ASK FOR, UM, EACH OF THESE TO BE, UM, DISCUSSED BY THE HOLD EYES. 
          UH, MAYBE, UH, WE'LL START WITH, UH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, COMMENT ON EACH OF THEM AND THEN FOLLOW RIGHT AWAY WITH, UH, COUNCIL COMMENT, INTEGRATING THIS. 
          HERE WE GO, . 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          SO TURNING OVER TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER CHAIR, COMMISSION CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO DIVING INTO THIS FIRST DISCUSSION TOPIC HERE ON ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION AND CIVIC PRESENCE, LOOKING TO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTARY ON THAT SUBJECT MATTER. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, AND I WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND ANY TABLE SETTING WE CAN DO ON ANY ADDRESSING ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN FAQ, BUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THEIR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, I WONDERED CAN WE ACCELERATE IT? CAN WE DEMONSTRATE HOW VEHICLES WOULD EXIT THE SITE VISUALLY? BUT I'LL SKIP THAT AND, AND STICK TO THE PROGRAM HERE. 
          UM, SO I THINK FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION, CIVIC PRESENCE IN MY NOTES HERE, SAY WE HAVE AN UNDERDEVELOPED DESIGN LANGUAGE IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, AND THAT THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW KIND OF HITS ONE NOTE WITH THE VERTICAL ARTICULATION. 
          UM, THERE'S NO ROOF LINE ARTICULATION PER SE. 
          AND I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE AN UNDERDEVELOPED DESIGN LANGUAGE, WE OFTEN SEE, NOT JUST WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT A LOT OF PROJECTS REVERT TO LIKE A CORRUGATED DESIGN. 
          USUALLY IT'S CORRUGATED METAL. 
          AND I WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MY STUFF WAS ABOUT LET'S GET AWAY FROM CORRUGATED METAL FOR EVERYTHING AND IT'S NOT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY COSTS, SO IT'S EASY TO GO LOOK AT OTHER FACILITIES, OTHER POLICE AND FIRE AND COMBINE FACILITIES, UH, IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER AREAS. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING UP AT SIERRA NEVADA AT A NEW FACILITY THAT HAD LIKE A PARAPET AREA ABOVE WHERE THE FIRE TRUCKS ARE, HAD SOME OTHER DESIGN FEATURES, HAD EXPOSED BEAM WORK, THIS CURRENT DESIGN. 
          AND PART OF MY INITIAL QUESTION IS LIKE, WHAT IS LOCKED IN HERE? AND PART OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS DESIGN STYLE IS VERY DISTINCT AND IT'S HARD TO ADD SOME OTHER ELEMENTS, CRAFTSMAN ELEMENTS, OTHER KIND OF AGRICULTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE SEE WHEN I THINK TRADITIONAL ROOF LINES, WHEN I THINK EXPOSED BEAM WORK, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ON ONE OF THE SIDES. 
          UM, BUT IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO MOVE WITH IT. 
          SO I WOULD JUST GIVE THE FEEDBACK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIALITY. 
          IN TERMS OF THE VERTICAL ARTICULATION, UH, I DID SEE SOME FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID HAVE CORRUGATED METAL, BUT BELOW THAT THEY HAD LIKE A BEAM FORM OR A WOOD FORM CONCRETE BREAKING UP SOME OF THAT ARTICULATION. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE'RE USING CONCRETE ALREADY. 
          DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO BREAK UP THAT PATTERN A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK ROOF ARTICULATION, IF ANYTHING COULD BE DONE THERE. 
          THE FLAT ROOF, OBVIOUSLY A BIG FLAT ROOF LOOKS MORE MONOLITHIC. 
          ANY DESIGN FEATURES WE CAN ADD ANY ARTICULATION ON THAT ROOF LINE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, AGAIN, WITH THIS STYLE, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION DESIGN FEATURES THAT WE SEE IN LIKE DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO MAKE SOME OF THAT FIT. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND, UM, IN OUR, DEVELOP OUR DESIGN LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT, FIND SOME OTHER ELEMENTS OF PETALUMA WE CAN INCORPORATE, BREAK UP THIS ONENOTE OF OUR, UH, VERTICAL ARTICULATION THAT I'M SEEING. 
          AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT METAL WORK WITH THE PERFORATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN DO TO BREAK THIS UP. 
          UM, AND I WOULD SAY, YEAH, ALONG WITH THAT LAYERED MASSING, BREAKING UP BULKY VOLUMES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE CONSTRAINED WITH THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE SITE, RIGHT? AND SOME OF THE OTHER PARTICULARS ABOUT THIS SITE THAT ARE NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL PROJECT THAT WE SEE. 
          SO I WANT TO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SILVER BULLET ON WHAT WILL FIX IT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE CAN BE SOME IDEAS TESTED OUT THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK I WILL SAVE MY COMMENTS ON TREES 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG AREA ABOUT THAT. 
          I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO ARTICUL ART ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION AND CIVIC PRESENCE THAT KIND OF HITS IT. 
          ARE WE GOING AROUND ON ONE AND THEN GOING TO TWO? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELL THEN, YEAH, THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON NUMBER ONE. 
          I ALL RIGHT. 
          ADDITIONAL COMMISSION THOUGHTS ON ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION, COMMISSIONER EBNER? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE FOR INNOVATIVE BUILDING MATERIALS, INNOVATIVE BUILDING TECHNOLOGIES. 
          I KNOW THAT COMES WITH A PRICE TAG. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S LARGELY NON-COMBUSTIBLE, BUT, UH, SEEING THE WOOD THERE, WHETHER IT'S NATURAL WOOD OR SOME SORT OF ALUMINUM WOOD LOOK, I'M NOT SURE YET. 
          BUT I'D ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT, UM, NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS GIVEN THE PROGRAMMING OF THE BUILDING AND THAT WE ARE IN A WILDFIRE AREA AND IT'S AN INCREASING RISK TO ALL OF US. 
          UM, I THINK THE, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE TILT UP TECHNOLOGY OR THE APPLICATION OF THAT, UH, BUILDING STRUCTURAL SYSTEM. 
          UM, EVERY TILT UP I'VE SEEN HAS REALLY CONSPICUOUS VERTICAL JOINTS BETWEEN PANELS, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY, UM, 
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ILLUSTRATED IN THE RENDERINGS AS I COULD SEE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, THE PRECEDENTS, UH, OR OTHER EXAMPLES OF TILT UP STRUCTURES WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'LL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, MAYBE IT'S EVEN SAMPLE BOARDS, UH, DURING SPAR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK I'D BUILD ON THE ARTICULATION, MAYBE ARTICULATING AT THE ENTRY OR FURTHER NOTING, UM, THE PUBLIC ENTRY, UH, USING THAT AS A MOMENT TO BUILD MORE PUBLIC SPACE ON THE GROUND LEVEL. 
          UH, AND ALSO JUST MAKING IT A MORE OBVIOUS KIND OF PUBLIC FACING ACCESS POINT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT LOOKED PRETTY, PRETTY, UM, NONDESCRIPT OR THAT WALL OF GLASS IS KIND OF HARD TO WEIGH FINE TOWARDS THE ENTRY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I WOULD ADD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER CHU. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, DEFINITELY A NEEDED FACILITY IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL THE REASONS THE CHIEFS, UM, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION HAVE AN URGENT RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS TO FRUITION. 
          I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT AND THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING A VACANT SPACE INTO A CIVIC PLACE. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO PAUSE A LITTLE BIT AND REALIZE HOW MUCH ARCHITECTURE SORT OF PLAYS A CENTRAL ROLE IN THAT PLACEMAKING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, CIVIC PLACEMAKING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'D URGE STAFF AND THE DESIGN TEAM TO BRING FORTH IDEAS ON HOW WE MIGHT SOFTEN OR REPLACE THE CORRUGATED, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG SIGNAL ABOUT CIVIC LIFE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT SENDS A SIGNAL ABOUT HARSH INDUSTRIAL AND IMPERSONAL. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IN, IN OUR NATIONAL SCENE RIGHT NOW, WE WANNA HAVE A GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE THAT SIGNALS THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS FROM ME. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE JUSTIFICATION AROUND THE TILT UP AND THE CONCRETE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND THE LONGER CONSTRUCTION TAKES, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WORSE THAT GETS. 
          SO I THINK MATERIALITY MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          BUT THE FINISHING, I'D BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORATION BEYOND THE CORRUGATED LOOK, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO TREAT THE CONCRETE THAT DOESN'T LOOK QUITE AS HARSH. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT FEELS LIKE AN EASY SORT OF SAMPLING OF, OF, UM, POTENTIAL FINISHES TO CONSIDER IN THE REVIEW PHASE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE TILT UP IN THE CONCRETE IS THE CHOICE HERE. 
          UM, ANY OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION, CIVIC PRESENCE? OH, YEP. 
          GO AHEAD, DR. 
          OR COMMISSIONER NOELL. 
          I, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE, THE DESIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED AND, AND I, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, THAT LET'S NOT, UH, LET, UH, PERFECTION BECOME THE ENEMY OF GOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I TRULY APPRECIATE HOW THE PROJECT HAS BEEN, UH, REDUCED IN ITS FOOTPRINT. 
          UH, AND THE, THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN REDUCED, AND THE COST HAS COME DOWN FROM $120 MILLION TO $69 MILLION. 
          UM, THE MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, TRIM AND FRILL THAT WE PUT ON THE BUILDING, THE, THE MORE PUBLIC DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING ON THIS BUILDING, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA START REDESIGNING THINGS, I DON'T WANNA SLOW DOWN, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION EITHER. 
          UM, SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE ASKING FOR, FOR BETTER ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND BETTER APPEARANCES. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, FORM IS FUNCTION, UH, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT MOST BUILDINGS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THAT'S AN ELEMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND LET'S, UH, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS THING BUILT, UH, AND NOT LET, UH, PERFECTION BECOME THE ENEMY OF GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT SENTIMENT. 
          AGREE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN? YEAH, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE THOUGHT THAT HAS OBVIOUSLY GONE INTO THIS. 
          IT'S CLEAR THAT DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES COOPERATION BETWEEN TWO VERY DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IS NOT EASY. 
          UM, THIS SORT OF COOPERATION DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN IN OTHER PLACES. 
          SO I REALLY WANT TO JUST THANK YOU FOR THE THOUGHT THAT HAS GONE INTO IT SO FAR. 
          UM, THINKING ABOUT THAT JUST GENERALLY THE WAY THAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF POLICE VERSUS FIRE, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF INVITING AND, UM, PURPOSE. 
          YOU DON'T, OH, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE FIREHOUSE, YOU WANNA STAY AWAY FROM THE POLICE STATION, GENERALLY SPEAKING. 
          UM, IS THERE 
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A WAY, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE THINKING BROADLY TO KIND OF BRING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TOGETHER, MAYBE IN TERMS OF LIKE COLOR PALETTE, MAYBE IN TERMS OF, UH, BRING THE LIGHTER ELEMENTS THAT GENERALLY, UM, ARE FOCUSED AROUND FIREHOUSES WITH MORE OPEN STRUCTURE, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT REDS WITH INVITING SORT OF, WE'RE HERE TO HELP, UM, WHEN YOU NEED EMERGENCY SERVICES BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT YOU, VERSUS THE IDEA THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT YOU FROM, UH, CRIME OR VIOLENCE, UM, GENERALLY HAS MORE OF A DARKER THEME TO IT. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF BRIGHTEN THAT ALL TOGETHER? UM, IN THE CURRENT DESIGN, IT LOOKS LIKE A DARKER BUILDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY NECESSARY OR BAKED IN BECAUSE OF THE WOOD COLOR PANELS THAT WERE CHOSEN OR THE WAY THAT, UM, EVEN THE SHADING WORKS WITH EVERYTHING. 
          SO MAYBE JUST SOME LIGHTER DESIGN ELEMENTS WOULD REALLY HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONCERNS WHILE STILL SAVING ON THE OVERALL COST PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, STAY WITHIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ON 0.1 HERE? SEEING NONE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE AWAY, MAYOR, LET'S HAVE THE COUNCIL WEIGH IN AND I'LL GO RIGHT TO LEFT THIS TIME ON MY RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, FOR ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTIONS IN CIVIC PRESENCE, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE IT COME BACK AS A DUAL FACILITY. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE PIECE OF DIRECTION WE GAVE THAT I LITERALLY DIDN'T THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT. 
          UM, ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, HAVING THIS MEETING AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THEN I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT I'D LIKE TO GET ANSWERED TO. 
          UM, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS, I GUESS THE CORRUGATED CONCRETE. 
          IT DOESN'T SCREAM TO ME. 
          UM, I'D BE INTERESTED IN AN EXPLORATION OF, UM, GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF COST SAVINGS FROM REGULAR CONCRETE AND INTRODUCING NEW MATERIALS IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST. 
          I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW OTHERS FEEL, BUT THAT WAS JUST SORT OF LIKE WHAT, UM, JUMPED OUT TO ME. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE, I THINK THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW IT INTERFACES WITH THE, THE, THE PUBLIC SPACE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATED, UM, COMMISSIONER SCH, HILT, HILT, UM, SHILTS COMMENT THAT WE'RE CREATING A, A, A CIVIC SPACE, NOT JUST A A CIVIC PLACE, UM, OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          UM, BUT IT FEELS TO ME LIKE IT'S, WHAT I'M MISSING A LITTLE BIT IS THE INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDINGS. 
          LIKE ACROSS THE STREET IS THE POOL. 
          UM, AGREE. 
          LIVE OAK IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, WE WANT TO HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GOING TO THE CENTER OF OUR CITY IN THE HEART OF OUR CITY EVERY DAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT TO REPLACE LIVE OAK BEING THERE AND NEW, NEW EXPERIENCES. 
          AND SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, I THINK IT, SO CIVIC PRESENCE, UH, CIRCULATION PLAN WITH, UM, YOU, YOU TALK TO OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TEAM, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW HERE, RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED ON THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT PLAY OUT INTO THE BIGGER PICTURE AS WE GET INTO THE MASTER PLANNING. 
          BECAUSE FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M LEFT TO MY IMAGINATION AND THAT DOESN'T FEEL, UM, LIKE I'M ABLE TO FULLY WEIGH IN ON THIS, UM, THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT LOCATION IN THE CIVIC PRESENCE, I FEEL LIKE GO HAND IN HAND. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT THAT, UM, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY GREAT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT CREATES, IT'S PART OF THE CIVIC PRESENCE. 
          UM, AND I, I REALLY HAVE, UH, AN ISSUE WITH LIKE THE PRINCESS PARKING IN THE FRONT WHILE WE'RE PUSHING BACKWARDS. 
          UM, AND I'D LIKE TO BE, UM, THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW TO BRING THE GRAND ENTRANCE THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY TO THE PUBLIC AND NOT TO THE 14 VISITOR PARKING SPACES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE FRONT. 
          UM, I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE THE FRONT OF IT, CREATE MORE ATTRACTION IN THE, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF HAVING PRINCESS PARKING. 
          UM, AND UH, THE PARKING THAT'S ALL THE WAY OVER TOWARD KENNELWORTH IS LIKE ALMOST THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE CREATING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE INCONVENIENCE TO, UH, BRING THAT THING UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, SO, AND THEN I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK MUCH ABOUT SORT OF THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL AND THE CIVIC SPACE BEHIND, LIKE, IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S LIKE, 'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO PROGRAM AND HOW THAT WORKS, BUT IT, UM, MAYBE IT'S AROUND TREES, BUT IT, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S 
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AN OPPORTUNITY WITH LANDSCAPING AND PLACEMAKING IN THE BACK TO REALLY SORT OF CREATE SOME GOOD, UM, INTERSECTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE ONE AREA WHERE I DID HEAR CIRCULATION WAS WIND CHIEF SHOCK. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE SUCH A TRANSPORTATION GUY, BUT I SHOULD, UM, BROUGHT UP THE SORT OF LIKE EXISTING TARGET, UM, ENTRY AND EXIT POINT THERE. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY, UM, LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF LIKE NOT HAVING PEOPLE GOING STRAIGHT THERE, UM, AND, AND, UM, THE, THE EMPLOYEE, UH, LIKE INTEGRATION AND HOW THEY, UM, HOW THEY WORK THROUGH THE SORT OF BACKEND OF THAT FACILITY. 
          AND, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT JUST A RETENTION BASIN THAT TURNS INTO SHEDS, BUT WE ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT IT, LIKE, MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE, UM, TO THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENTER WHO IS HERE, ABSOLUTELY THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE HEARD WAS MAKE IT INTO A PARK, RIGHT? SO BEAUTIFY IT. 
          UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S LIKE SHRINKING THE, THE, THE FENCES IN. 
          SO WE CAN PUT TREES AND BEAUTIFY OUTSIDE THE FENCES AND PEOPLE CAN'T CLIMB 'EM. 
          I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT IT, IT JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE, UM, MORE, MORE OPEN SPACE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MORE THAT WE CAN CREATE AN INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M BEING ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE FRONT FACADE AS I CAN UNDERSTAND IT FROM WHAT WE HEARD. 
          UM, AND THEN THE CIVIC PRESENCE IS, IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT, UM, BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S THREE, THREE WALLS AROUND THE SIDE. 
          UM, I, I'M SAYING THIS 'CAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO GIVE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK, BUT I'M LIKE ECSTATIC TO HAVE THIS PROJECT HERE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FOCUS ON, ON BUDGET, TIMELINE AND DELIVERY. 
          SO WITH ALL THAT, I'M REALLY ECSTATIC ABOUT THE PROJECT, SO THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS EXCEPT THAT I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE IS NOT A ENOUGH GREEN SPACE IN THERE AND I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S A BIG BUILDING AND IT'S A LITTLE COLD AND I REALLY THINK THE LANDSCAPING IS REALLY GONNA HELP THAT. 
          AND SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT SO IT, UM, WORKS FOR SAFETY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S PRETTY, UM, STARK. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, FOR ME, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS JUST THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THERE. 
          'CAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS AS A PARK AND IT'S GONNA BE THIS AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF A GRAY DARK BUILDING AND, AND I DON'T ACTUALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T MIND THE DESIGN, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY MY ISSUE, BUT I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH IF YOU HAVE REALLY GOOD LANDSCAPING AROUND AND GREENERY THAT IT'S GONNA SOFTEN THAT BUILDING A LOT. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANNA MOVE ON IT, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I COULD, UM, MENTION THAT OUR, UM, EXISTING FIREHOUSES, I THINK THE SMITHSONIAN WOULD LIKE THE LIVING SPACES IN THEIR EXHIBITS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO OUTDATED. 
          AND THE ONE DOWNTOWN IS CIRCA 1858, AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO A MODERN FACILITY. 
          BUT WE ALSO, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T JUST NORMALLY GO TO A FIREHOUSE. 
          THE FIREFIGHTERS COME TO THEM IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, IF YOU ARE A VICTIM OR YOU WANT TO REPORT A CRIME OR YOU NEED TO SUBMIT A REPORT OR YOU NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCESS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          AND THAT FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO BE WELCOMING. 
          UM, I'M THINKING OF, UM, OUR CITY EMBLEM THAT IS ON THE CROSSTOWN CONNECT OR YOU KNOW, THE OLD RED, UM, OH, IT'S NAMED AFTER A POLICE OFFICER. 
          ANYWAY, THAT HAS OUR CITY SEAL IN THE CONCRETE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S VERY NICE AND IT'S BEEN THERE 20 YEARS AND IT LOOKS LOVELY STILL. 
          SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE COMING AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING IN FRONT, BUT IF YOU ARE, UM, A VICTIM, YOU DON'T WANNA WALK A LONG WAYS FROM YOUR CAR TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THAT POLICE STATION TO TALK TO AN OFFICER. 
          AND IF YOU ARE A SENIOR CITIZEN, WHICH OUR POPULATION IS MORE THAN 50% SENIORS, YOU'RE, AND OR IF YOU'RE SPECIAL NEEDS OR A HANDICAP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA WALK A LONG DISTANCE TO GO TO THE POLICE STATION. 
          TO GO TO THE POLICE STATION IS VERY EMOTIONAL ANYWAY. 
          AND WE 
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WANNA MAKE IT EASIER AND WELCOMING. 
          AND SOMETHING ON THE SURFACE LIKE OUR, UM, BLEM OR, UM, THE OTHER END OF TOWN, THE FREEWAY ENTRANCE HAS, I THINK IT HAS WILDLIFE. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO OUR COMMUNITY CIVIC CENTER AND REPORT, WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A TRAUMATIC, UM, THING THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO DO AT THE POLICE STATION. 
          THE FIREMEN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO SEE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS, BUT THEY USUALLY COME TO THE SCHOOLS OR THEY USUALLY COME TO YOUR HOME OR WHEREVER THEY'RE NEEDED. 
          UM, THE OUTSIDE IT NEEDS TO WHATEVER IS THE LOW MAINTENANCE. 
          AND I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW I ASKED FOR A RED TILE ROOF FOR MY HOUSE AND IT'S A LIFETIME ROOF, SO I WOULD WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST A LONG TIME AND NOT NEED CONSTANT MAINTENANCE AND LOOKS NICE TO THE COMMUNITIES AT PRESENT. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY ABOUT THE FIRST ITEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          UM, WELL JUST TO BE CLEAR, BESIDES THESE FIVE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, WE WILL BE HAVING KIND OF AN OPEN COMMENT OURSELVES TOO, RIGHT? THERE'LL BE A CLOSING OPPORTUNITY TO EDITORIALIZE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS, UH, SUPPOSED, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE BEING A PARK, UM, AND A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT, BUT THEN TO MIX IN A PUBLIC FACILITY, YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THAT PUBLIC FACILITY WITH POLICE AND FIRE TO BE A PARK. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S KIND OF A BIT OF A CONTRADICTION THERE. 
          YOU DON'T WANT PLAYGROUNDS OUT FRONT OR THINGS FOR CHILDREN. 
          IT IS, IT'S POLICE AND FIRE. 
          UM, THERE'S A WHOLE REST OF THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY FOR THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT AND USE IT FOR. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING TOO AT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE VERY BACK AGAINST THE RACETRACK, THERE'S A HUGE GRASS STRIP. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PURPOSEFUL FOR ANY SORT OF TRAINING OR, OR WHAT IT IS OR IF THAT'S PART OF THIS PARK ELEMENT, UM, BUT THAT, THAT SEEMS UNNECESSARY TO ME. 
          IT SEEMS TO LIKE THAT COULD BE SOME SPACES GIVEN BACK TO THE RACETRACK OR TO THE FAIRGROUNDS WHEN THEY NEED IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK, I THINK THE PARKING UP FRONT IS, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT SOME OTHER COUNCILMAN SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, PEOPLE WANNA FEEL SAFE, THEY WANNA BE CLOSE TO THE DOOR IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. 
          LIKE, I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY CHANGE THAT MUCH. 
          I DO WONDER WHY IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT SPACES, THERE ARE BULLETS THERE, UM, TAKING THOSE SPACES AWAY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TO PREVENT ACCIDENTS OR FOR FOR WHAT REASON IT'S THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT MR. SARAH GUS'S COMMENTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S, I GREW UP WITH HIS SON AND HE WAS FIREMAN IN THE CITY FOR, SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID. 
          UM, AND HE'S, HE HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BUILDING BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE AND SAVE MONEY, WE LOOK AT THE LONG TERM AND SAY WE NEED A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA GO THE DISTANCE. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUILDINGS IN TOWN THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, AND SOME AREN'T EVEN 15, 20 YEARS OLD, AND THE ENTIRE EXTERIORS ARE GETTING REDONE ON THEM AND THEY HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS. SO I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO, WE REALLY NEED TO GO THE EXTRA MILE AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S BULLETPROOF AND THAT IS GONNA LAST FOR POLICE AND FIRE. 
          UM, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING MATCHING WITH GREEN SPACE AND MAKING THAT LOOK MORE INVITING. 
          I THINK IF YOU GAVE THE FACADE A WARMER FEEL, IF YOU USE SOMETHING LIKE BRICK, IF YOU GAVE IT PITCHED ROOFS, OPEN STEEL BEAMS, ALL THE THINGS THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCILMEN HAVE ALL SAID, IF YOU GIVE IT MORE OF THAT, AND YEAH, IT'S GONNA COST MORE, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GIVING TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SEEING FOR GENERATIONS, PROBABLY. 
          UM, YOU WON'T NEED AS MUCH OF THAT, THAT FEEL OF THE PARK AROUND IT BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S WARMER LOOKING AND AND MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          AND, UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? I HAVE TO THINK. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, STAFF AND THE ARCHITECT COME BACK WITH, WITH A BUILDING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE THAT AND LOOKING AT, 
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YOU KNOW, REDUCING THIS FOOTPRINT IN SOME PLACES IF IT'S NOT NEEDED, LIKE THIS BACK GREEN LOT. 
          AND, UM, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          OH, ACTUALLY TOO, OKAY. 
          I WILL SAY YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE BURELL BUILDING. 
          UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT A MIX OF, OF THAT METAL AND BRICK LOOK, UM, THAT'S A VERY ICONIC BUILDING IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, THERE'S LOTS OF THEM AROUND ICONIC BUILDINGS, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU COULD MAYBE INCORPORATE BRICK INTO THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A, A FAIR NUMBER OF THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT I'M GONNA KEEP IT REALLY BRIEF AND JUST, UH, COMMEND THE, UH, CITY AND THE PROJECT TEAM FOR BRINGING FORTH A PROJECT, UH, THUS FAR, THE BALANCES, AESTHETICS, FUNCTIONALITY AND COST. 
          UH, I FEEL LIKE, UH, THE CITY TEAM AND THE PROJECT TEAM ARE DOING THEIR ABSOLUTE LEVEL BEST TO, UM, REALLY GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR THE PETALUMA TAXPAYERS. 
          UM, AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THESE PROJECTS OFTENTIMES CAN MOVE AT A GLACIER PACE, AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE TEAM'S, UH, APPROACH IN TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG, UH, AND HAVE IT NOT, UH, SUCCUMB TO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES. 
          UM, YES, THANK YOU FOR, UM, ALL THE EFFORTS SO FAR. 
          UH, MOST OF THE POLICE AND FIRE BUILDINGS THAT I'VE SEEN TRAVELED MAY LIVED IN MANY, MANY CITIES ACROSS THE US AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH FLAT UTILITARIAN. 
          SO THIS BUILDING IS 10 TIMES MORE INTERESTING LOOKING THAN MOST OF THE ONES I'VE EVER SEEN ACROSS THE WHOLE US. 
          SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT SO, BUT ALWAYS LITTLE IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE, UM, THE, UH, IN THE BACK AREA FOR, UM, TO GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A BREAK AND GET OUT OF THE BUILDING AND, AND GET INTO A, UH, PICNIC AREA, AT LEAST FOR LUNCHTIME, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK THAT'S FULLY GREEN. 
          UM, SO I THINK YOU HAVE A CULLY COURT BACK THERE, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK HAVE DESCRIBE, BUT I THINK THAT'S LIKE A LUNCH AREA BACK THERE OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A SMALL AREA, UH, MAYBE THAT BACK COURT THAT'S QUIET, PRIVATE, THAT FOLKS CAN GO TO AND, AND TAKE A BREATH BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS GO THROUGH EVERY DAY. 
          SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A STRESS-FREE AREA. 
          I KNOW AT THE SCHOOLS THEY HAVE A SPECIAL PLAYROOM TO REDUCE STRESS THAT HAS ALL SORTS OF THINGS FOR KIDS TO GO PLAY IN BALLS AND THINGS IN INSIDE, WHATEVER. 
          SO, UH, THINK ABOUT THIS. 
          YOU NEED TO CREATE AN AREA THAT IS, UH, REDUCED STRESS IN SOME WAYS, EITHER PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY, OR BOTH, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          AND YOU'VE SEEN SCHOOLS HAVE LITTLE ROOMS FOR THIS AND OR PICNIC AREAS IN THE BACK. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THEN ON THE, UM, ON THE BUILDING, THE FACADE IN THE FRONT, THE UH, UH, THE COMMENTS IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE DARK SIDE THROUGHOUT EVEN THE DARK BLUES, THE DARK BROWNS PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT, AND TO, UH, ADD SOME MORE COLOR. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY. 
          SO THE COMPLEXITY IS, IS THERE, IT'S ALMOST TOO, TOO MANY THINGS, TOO MANY LINES, TOO MANY COMPLEXITIES, THINGS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED, A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE FLAT, MAYBE THERE. 
          AND YOU CAN CREATE FLATNESS EITHER IN NICE, BRIGHT COLORS, WHETHER IT BE A METALLIC NICE BLUE. 
          IT COULD BE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE IDEAS I'VE SEEN BEFORE, UH, IS, UH, UH, MARBLE TILES OR EVEN MOSAICS WITH LOTS COLOR IN IT, TRIM GOING UP THE FRONT OF THE SIDES AND ROUNDS. 
          SO LIKE PLAYFUL COLORS. 
          SO YOU'RE WALKING INTO, HEY, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SCHOOL ALMOST THAT YOU'RE WALKING INTO THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DESIGNED BY KIDS. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS MAKE IT, MAKE THAT FRIENDLIER COLOR. 
          UM, AND EVEN IN, IN, UH, WE HAVE LOTS OF SCULPTURES FROM OUR ART DEPARTMENT THAT'S IN STORAGE, OVER A HUNDRED PIECES OF SCULPTURE, OF CEMENT, CERAMICS THAT WOULD FIT PERFECTLY IN THE FRONT AREA SOMEWHERE. 
          SO ADDING IN THESE FEATURES, SO WHEN YOU WALK IN, IT FEELS LIKE A LITTLE, UH, FUN AREA, UM, FOR THAT, UH, GOING DOWN THEN ON THE, UM, AND THEN ON THE LONG WALKS. 
          UM, AND AS BEING, UH, GETTING OLDER AND REALIZING THAT WALKING GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, THAT, UH, WE DO REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET FROM OUR CAR TO THE FRONT DOOR AND INSIDE IN ABOUT 15 STEPS WITH THAT HANDICAPPED ZONE FOR IN, IN THE FRONT. 
          SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE FIRST FEW SPACES ARE FOR THE HANDICAPPED, LIKE ARE IN THERE. 
          UM, AND TO, AND THE NUMBER OF PUBLICS WITH 14 SPACES FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE. 
          IS 14 SPACES REALLY GONNA BE ENOUGH FOR BOTH? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOLUME IS, BUT MAYBE LOOK AT THE VOLUME THAT YOU HAVE AT BOTH. 
          IT MAY INCREASE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE MORE WELCOMING, MORE TRAFFIC GOING TO THE TARGET MAY WANNA STOP BY. 
          YOU CAN HAVE INCREASED FRONT DOOR ACTIVITY, I BELIEVE IN YOUR POSITION. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE RIGHT THERE FRIENDLY AND WELCOMING. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DOUBLE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. 
          DON'T BASE IT ON PAST. 
          BASE IT ON FUTURE FOR A NUMBER OF SPACES. 
          YOU NEED OF CONTACT TIME. 
          AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BENCH, UH, IN FRONT THAT WHEN FOLKS GO IN. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DOUBLE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW OF FOLKS WALKING IN YOUR DOOR. 
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UM, SO I JUST ADDING IN YOUR ART A LITTLE, UH, MORE COLOR, UM, NOT SO DARK THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUILDING. 
          AND, AND MAYBE A, A A LITTLE BIT OF MORE FLATNESS HERE AND THERE TO BREAK, BREAK UP. 
          'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL UP AND DOWN STRAIGHT AND VERY COMPLEX. 
          BOTH THE SHADING AND, AND THE CORRUGATION ARE ALL UP AND DOWN. 
          AND LOOKING AT A BUILDING THAT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S LINES UP AND DOWN, SO, OKAY. 
          CRISSCROSS. 
          ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA LEAD OFF WITH, UM, I'M, I'M INCREDIBLY HAPPY THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED THE POLICE INTO THIS PROJECT AND THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A HUGE THING FOR THE COUNCIL AND, UH, AND THAT THE FOOTPRINT REDUCTION AND COST REDUCTION ARE KEEPING IT RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. 
          SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE GONNA ACHIEVE ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I DO CONCUR THAT THE ARCHITECTURES, UM, IT'S A LITTLE FLAT. 
          UM, IT ALL BUILDINGS ARE OF THEIR ERA. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ONE TALK, IT, IT, IT SEEMS OF BUDGET RATHER THAN OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A CIVIC STRUCTURE. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SAY THIS IS THE, THE CORE OF A CITY, BUT THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE'RE AT WITH OUR BUDGET. 
          WE'RE KIND OF CERTAIN KINDS OF LIMITS. 
          SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE DO BOTH WITH NO MONEY? AND, UM, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THE BUILDING WAS ELEVATED FROM THE, UM, SURFACE AREA. 
          USUALLY THERE'S A STEP UP OR A STAIRCASE UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S NO VERTICAL TO THE BUILDING VERSUS THE EXTERIOR AREA. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY GOOD REASON FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I, BUT, UH, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE IDEA OF, UH, THE PARKING IN FRONT AND LOOK AND ALL THE PARKING IS, UH, TO STREET SIDE. 
          AND I'M WONDERING WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT DOUBLE SIDED. 
          WHY, WHY ISN'T IT BUILDING SIDE? DOES THAT DO A DIFFERENT THING TO THE AESTHETIC OF IT? AND, UM, I'M THINKING, WELL, IF WE CAN'T STRUCTURALLY PAY MORE MONEY FOR THE BUILDING, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH LANDSCAPING? AND I'M THINKING IF WE HAVE A BERM STREET SIDE, UM, THAT ELEVATES THE, THE, THE, THE PLANTINGS AND, AND THAT OBSCURES THE VISION OF THE CARS FROM THE STREET. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT A PARKING LOT. 
          YOU SEE THE BUILDING. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S AN IDEA TO PUT INTO THE, UM, HAVING A STREET SIDE BURN THERE. 
          OR EVEN A SOFTENING OF THE, UM, UM, TILT UP, UH, CONCRETE, WHICH I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF AS A CIVIL ENGINEER AND, AND RETROFITTED MANY FOR HER, UH, EARTHQUAKE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT, UH, ANY SORT OF LIVING WALL TYPE ELEMENT TO IT. 
          ANY, ANY, UH, SHRUBBERY THAT ATTACHED? AND THIS IS THE FRONT PUBLIC SIDE, NOT OF COURSE THE SECURE AREA SIDE. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, I WOULD SAY YOU PROBABLY GOT AN AIR FULL ON ARCHITECTURE. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT AN IDEA. 
          AND I, AND I'VE OFTEN FOUND THAT IF WE COMPARE SEVERAL STORYBOARDS, IF WE COMPARE SEVERAL VIEWS OF IT, IT HELPS US REFINE WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT. 
          IF WE SEE ONE, WE NITPICK THE ONE. 
          BUT IF WE SEE SEVERAL, WE GO, WELL, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE BETTER SIDE HERE. 
          SO MY SUGGESTION IS AT SPAR PLEASE BRING MULTIPLE RENDERINGS. 
          AND WITH THAT, THAT BRINGS US TO OUR SECOND ELEMENT PUBLIC ART INTEGRATION. 
          AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW DEEP ANYONE WANTS TO GET INTO THAT, BUT I THINK, AND OR WHAT STAFF NEEDS. 
          BUT I THINK WE WANT TO SAY YES, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, MY PERSONAL THINGS, PERHAPS THE ENTRYWAY COULD HAVE MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMBINED STRUCTURAL TO ARTISTIC ENTRY MORE THAN IS, I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ELEMENT THERE, BUT I'M THINKING MORE AND NOW I'LL PASS IT TO, UM, OUR CHAIR. 
          NO, I, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT IT IS EIGHT 15 AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG, THEY HAVE TIME. 
          AND WE JUST NEED TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE COUNCIL MEETING? WELL, FIRST WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND WE APPRECIATE THAT YOUR ITEM IS AFTER THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA BE BETTER PART OF AN HOUR. 
          I'M HOPING WE'RE COUNCIL WRAP BEFORE, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO NINE O'CLOCK. 
          THEN WE GET TO CONSENT CALENDAR, THEN WE MOVE TO THE, THE, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE MOBILE HOME, UM, PARK COORDINATE. 
          SO I'M SORRY THAT, UH, THIS IS SUCH A CONSUMING ELEMENT, BUT YOU CAN SEE A ONCE IN A HUNDRED YEAR PROJECT TAKES US A MINUTE. 
          SO, UM, REGARDING ART, I PASS IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I THINK I'LL JUST SAY FOR, FOR OUR PART. 
          AND IF ANYONE, UM, HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE DO. 
          BUT THE SENTIMENT HERE IS YES, PUBLIC ART, PLEASE, , MAKE IT LOOK NICE, INCORPORATE ART. 
          UM, I, I SEE HERE THE DESIRE FOR, UH, FEEDBACK ON THE LOCATION. 
          UM, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT PROMINENT CORNER MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, SO IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING, UH, OBJECTING, BUT IF, IF YOU AGREE, I'D SAY LET'S MOTOR THROUGH THIS ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, IF WE COULD SKIP THIS ONE AND SUBMIT IT, UM, BY EMAIL TO STAFF, MUCH AS WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO SUBMIT, UH, IDEAS TO STAFF AND TAKING A DEEP BREATH AND SEEING, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS 
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THE PUBLIC PARKING LOCATION. 
          UM, AND UM, I THINK WE ALREADY HAD ABOUT THAT. 
          AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE PUBLIC PARKING LOCATION? I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME FIXED COMMENTS THAT, GO AHEAD. 
          WEIGH IN, BRIAN. 
          SO CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR COMMENTS, LIKE JUST ONE, LIKE JUST TWO THROUGH FOUR? 'CAUSE IT, LIKE, I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS AND THEY KIND OF FIT INTO MULTIPLE PIECES OF IT. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, WELL, I THINK THE INTERIOR PARKING AND THE TREE REQUIREMENTS ARE KIND OF LINKED, SO YES. 
          BUT, UM, THE PUBLIC PARKING LOCATION, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HIT ON THAT. 
          SOME WEDDING STATS, HEARD SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE DOWN. 
          WE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT IF, LIKE WHAT BRIAN'S SAYING IS IF WE JUST HAMMER OUT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 EACH PERSON. 
          RIGHT. 
          I COULD LITERALLY MAKE ALL MY COMMENTS IN ONE AND A HALF MINUTES, UM, ON ALL OF THIS. 
          THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE ARE AT THREE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE COVERED. 
          AND SO FOUR AND FIVE IS WHAT'S LEFT. 
          AND THEN ALSO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO ADD AS YOUR CLOSING COMMENT AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S NOT THROUGH ONE THROUGH FIVE, WE'LL ADD IN AT, AT THIS TIME AND WE'LL GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGHTS ON POINTS FOUR AND FIVE, INTERIOR PARKING LOT, LANDSCAPING TREE REQUIREMENTS, AND ANY OVERARCHING FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER KUZEN, ALWAYS HAPPY TO KICK IT OFF. 
          YES. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO TREES, YOU KNOW, I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE PV SHADE STRUCTURES. 
          I WORRIED WE DID OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AS A GROUP, AND THERE WAS KIND OF THIS DESIRE TO DEVELOP STANDARDS AROUND HOW WE'RE GONNA COVER ASPHALT, LIKE PARKING AREAS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A CERTAIN COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. 
          AND WE KIND OF MADE THE DECISION TO SPLIT THAT BETWEEN, IT COULD BE A SHADE STRUCTURE OR A TREE, WHICH I WORRIED WOULD MEAN WE WOULD SEE PV SHADE STRUCTURES, CROWD TREES OUT. 
          SO WHEN I ASKED, IS IT TWO OR THREE SHADE STRUCTURES? AND YOU SAID, WELL, IT COULD BE TWO, IT COULD BE THREE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE IDEA OF KEEPING TWO AND USING THAT BACK, UH, LOT OR THE BACK, UH, ROW OF PARKING THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY A PV SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          IF WE COULD USE THE ISLANDS THERE FOR TWO LARGE SHADE TREES. 
          UM, AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE WESTERN SYCAMORE, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH LONDON PLAIN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BIG GOALS AROUND NATIVE PLANTINGS, BUT LONDON PLAIN SYCAMORES ARE, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, PLANT THEM, GET THE ROOTS GOING DOWN AND ALL THAT. 
          UM, A PHENOMENAL SHADE TREE, PROVEN STREET TREE. 
          THEY LAST A LONG TIME. 
          THEY LOOK GREAT. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A WAY TO GET A REALLY HIGH BANG FOR THE BUCK WHEN IT COMES TO INCORPORATING MORE TREES ON THIS SITE. 
          WE'VE KIND OF HEARD THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC FROM UP HERE. 
          WE'RE ON BOARD. 
          WHAT'S THAT? GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'VE GOT IT, KEVIN. 
          I'M COMPLETE, I'M IN COMPLETE CONTROL. 
          UM, SO YEAH, SO I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT FOR TREES. 
          UH, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO SAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE OAK, I KNOW WE PUT QUICKS LODO ON THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A TON OF THEM, BUT WE DON'T WANNA GET TOO MONO DOMINANT WITH OUR OAK PLANTINGS. 
          IF YOU COULD EMAIL IN YOUR TREE SPECIES REQUESTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          WELL, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A BROADER POINT. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD, I DON'T WANT TO TELL THE LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL WHAT TREES TO PLANT. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT, WE FIND THAT SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO WE DON'T GET SOME OF THE OAK DISEASES IN THIS AREA TO WIPE OUT A WHOLE STRETCH OF OAKS IF THERE'S EVEN ONE BARRIER TREE THAT CAN HELP. 
          UH, AND THEN OTHER ITEMS, I THINK JUST FEEDBACK TO STAFF FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          YOU KNOW, I HAD ONE BIG QUESTION, THIS WHOLE SEQUENCING OF THE MASTER PLAN, AND I ASKED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO INTEGRATE. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR PROJECT MANAGER IS LOOKING WHERE POSSIBLE TO INTEGRATE WITH THE ONGOING MASTER PLAN PROCESS. 
          I WONDER IF THAT COULD AT LEAST GO IN THE PROJECT NARRATIVE AND I THINK IT'S THAT SECTION FOUR F OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I SWEAR I'M FINISHING. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO TURN THE LIGHTS ON . 
          I GET IT. 
          I GET IT. 
          UM, SO IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT LIKE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ACCELERATE THE MASTER PLAN, OR AT LEAST IN OUR COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT THAT PROCESS IS AND HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES ARE STILL AVAILABLE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC. 
          I ALSO THINK MAKING IT VERY CLEAR FOR MEETINGS LIKE THIS, THAT THE SITE LOCATION IS ALREADY KIND OF ESTABLISHED. 
          I THINK THAT COMES, PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE TO MOVE IN ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY LOCKED INTO THAT SITE. 
          SO MAKING THAT CLEAR. 
          AND THEN I THINK IF THERE'S VISUALS, I THINK THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A VISUAL SHOWING THE FLOW OUT OF THE SITE, BUT MAKING IT VERY EXPLICIT HOW VEHICLES POLICE AND FIRE ARE GONNA LEAVE THE SITE AND CIRCULATE OUT UNDER WASHINGTON, UH, WOULD BE EXCELLENT. 
          AND I ALSO JUST WANNA ELEVATE THIS QUESTION ABOUT PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, WHEREVER THAT FITS INTO THE MIX TO SEE WHAT, WHAT COSTS THAT ADDS AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK OF, SO THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO SHUT THE LIGHTS OFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ON FOUR, FIVE AND OVERALL COMMISSIONER EBNER. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD START WITH JUST GIVING A, PERHAPS LIKE A PORTION OF THE FRONT PUBLIC PARKING, MAYBE AT THE CORNER, UM, OVER TO LANDSCAPING. 
          SO I KNOW WE ALREADY KIND OF COVERED THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TALK LOUDER PLEASE? SURE, I'LL LEAN IN. 
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UM, SO YEAH, GIVING A CORNER OF THE PUBLIC PARKING, UH, OVER TO LANDSCAPING, WHETHER IT'S A BERM OR IT'S AN, AN AMENITY SPACE, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD TIE IN REALLY WELL WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER KITTY CORNER THAT HAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE CUTAWAY, A LITTLE SEATING AREA AND RAMP. 
          UM, I THINK LIKE THE IDEA OF LANDSCAPE POROSITY, AVOIDING HARD LINES, CONTINUOUS HARD LINES BETWEEN FENCE LINES IN THE BUILDING, BUT CREATING MAYBE MORE NODES TO, UM, TO JUST OCCUPY DIFFERENT GREENERY, UH, AT DIFFERENT DENSITIES AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INTERESTING, UH, SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          ALONG THE KENNELWORTH SIDE WOULD BE MAYBE A LANDSCAPE COMMENT I WOULD SHARE. 
          AND THEN, YEAH, ECHOING MORE TREES, UH, CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CLUSTERS OF TREES IF THE STANDARD, UH, PARKING DISTRIBUTION OF TREES ISN'T, ISN'T FEASIBLE. 
          UM, I WOULD ADD MAYBE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCHEDULE  IN THE MID, MID-JUNE START DATE AND JUST IF THAT MEANS A FAST TRACKED, UH, PERMIT AND ENTITLEMENTS PROCESS AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, SO YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL JUST SAY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE INTERIOR PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, I UNDERSTAND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE AS MUCH ACCESS AS THEY CAN, WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN THAT SECURED PARKING LOT. 
          AND FRANKLY, I DON'T FIND TREES IN PARKING LOTS EVER TO BE ALL THAT COMPELLING. 
          SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE MORE GREENERY AND TREES ON THE EDGES TO TRY AND, UH, SORT OF BLOCK OUT THOSE CARS AND PARKING, UM, I FIND THAT A LOT MORE HELPFUL AND AM CONTENT WITH SHADE BEING PROVIDED BY THE, UM, BY THE ELECTRIC, BY THE SOLAR PANELS. 
          UM, AND FOR TREE REQUIREMENTS, I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK EVERYONE WANTS MORE TREES, BUT GIVEN THE FUNCTION OF THIS FACILITY, UM, IT, IT, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT WE'VE GOT CONSTRAINTS THERE. 
          SO I THINK HOLDING FOR LAST CALL ON COMMISSIONER COMMENT, COMMISSIONER NOELL, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS POINT, BUT IS THE PARKING SURFACE, UH, WILL THAT BE ASPHALT OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN ON THE PARKING SURFACE? IT'S ABSOLUTE WELL, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE SORT OF NEED TO NOT HAVE TREES IN THAT PARKING AREA. 
          UM, AND IF IT DOESN'T INCREASE COSTS SIGNIFICANTLY OR HOPEFULLY NOT AT ALL, UH, COULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER PERMEABLE CONCRETE OR CONCRETE TO HAVE INSTEAD OF ASPHALT? BECAUSE THAT LIGHTER COLOR, UH, CONCRETE WILL REFLECT SUNLIGHT AND NOT CONTRIBUTE TO SORT OF THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. 
          SINCE YOU WON'T HAVE TREES THERE, MAYBE CONCRETE IS MORE DURABLE AND OVER THE LONG TERM IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN HAVING AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT. 
          UH, HAVING A PERMEABLE SURFACE, UH, YOU KNOW, PERMEABLE CONCRETE CAN HELP WATER INFILTRATION AND REDUCE RUNOFF AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE PARKING SURFACE THAN JUST ASPHALT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          GREAT. 
          BACK TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS ABOUT TREES AND LANDSCAPING FROM THE TWO COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, BIG, BIG, NICE TREES COULDN'T HELP TO BRING, UM, BRING IT TOGETHER. 
          UM, I DID HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC ART. 
          I, UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHETHER THE PUBLIC ART WAS GONNA BE AT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING OR AT THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT IN GENERAL, I'M A FAN OF, OF HAVING IT THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, IF WE CAN, UM, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ART TO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MIRROR OR WHAT THE FENCE MATERIALS WERE WAS GONNA BE. 
          CAN SOMEONE JUST TELL ME THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THIS. 
          IT'S STILL METAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, UM, I SAID MY PIECE ABOUT PUBLIC, UH, PARKING, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE, UM, TO HAVE IT CURRENTLY HOW IT IS. 
          I THINK THE EXISTING PARKING AT THE POLICE STATION WITH SORT OF A DROP OFF AREA AND SOME PARKING IN THERE CREATES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FLOW. 
          THIS FEELS, UM, JUST PARKING LIKE THAT IN THE FRONT OF IT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE A SEVEN 11. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME. 
          UM, OH, FINAL THINGS. 
          UH, DEFINITELY SUPPORT PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS. 
          UM, I WOULD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE TALK ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THIS OVER WHERE THE ELROY IS. 
          UM, MR. HANIA BROUGHT THAT UP AND I, I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT BEFORE, BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE CHIEFS CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, THE, UM, 
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AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE CURRENT PLAN TO SORT OF VACATE THE D STREET AND, AND MOVE INTO WHERE A CASA GRANDE HOTEL IS VERSUS LIKE WAITING ON D STREET AND MOVING DOWN TO THIS WHEN IT'S DONE. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE WERE BOTH, UH, COMMENTS THAT WARRANTED FOLLOW UP. 
          SO THAT'S ALL FOR ME. 
          UM, I THINK WE ARE THEN INVITING, UH, CHIEF SHOCK TO RESPOND TO. 
          PERFECT. 
          KEEP ME FROM WRITING, WRITING ALL MY NOTES. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE, UH, THE LOCATION, IT WAS, IT WAS EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON WHY WE PICKED THE LOCATION WE DID, AND A COUPLE REASONS. 
          ONE, WHERE WE WERE SENSITIVE TO THE FUTURE MASTER PLANNING FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          WE WANTED TO PURPOSEFULLY, ONE WAS RESPONSE TIMES, AND I'LL GO OVER THAT, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO PURPOSEFULLY STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF ANY FUTURE PUBLIC INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANTED THAT SPACE TO BE AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACTIVATE THE FAIRGROUND SPACE. 
          WE FELT WE WERE TAKE, WE WERE USING A SPACE THAT WAS, UH, NOT USED VERY OFTEN. 
          GRANT'S USED FOR THE RACETRACK AND FOR OVERFLOW PARKING, BUT WE FELT THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS VERSUS REPLACING REBUILDING TOGETHER WHERE THERE USED TO BE A FIRE STATION OR REPLACING LIVE OAK CHARTER SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS STILL IN EFFECT. 
          SO WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ON TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE FELT, 'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THE VERY FRONT OF EAST WASHINGTON WHERE ELROY IS AND REALLY WANTED, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE PUBLIC, UH, THE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE GATEWAY TO THIS ACTIVE COMMUNITY SPACE. 
          WE FELT IT WAS A COMMUNITY'S DECISION TO WHAT THEY WANTED TO BE THE GATEWAY TO THE FAIRGROUNDS TO BE. 
          AND IT WASN'T OUR PLACE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, OPERATIONALLY, THE SITE WE'VE CHOSEN, UM, EAST WASHINGTON IS, IS WHERE PROBABLY 75% OF WHERE THE RESPONSES WILL GO, BUT YOU CAN ALSO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING TO PAY RAN AND OUT D STREET, UM, TO GET TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST SIDE, OR EVEN TO CROSS OVER TO THE EAST SIDE ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF TOWN. 
          UH, WE TAKE KENNELWORTH DOWN TO LINDBERGH AND CAULFIELD. 
          SO, UM, EAST WASHINGTON ISN'T THE ONLY ACCESS. 
          IF WE DID PUT THE FIRE STATION EXIT ONTO EAST WASHINGTON, THERE'S HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT SPACE WOULD BE BLOCKED. 
          AND TWO, IT MEANS EVERY RESPONSE WOULD BE ONTO EAST WASHINGTON. 
          SO WE PURPOSELY HAVE IT SET UP TO ENTER THE, ENTER A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION THAT WE CAN CONTROL THE LIGHTING. 
          WE CAN NOW GO OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS IF WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE'RE ACTIVATING AN INTERSECTION THERE AT JOHNSON AND ELLIS WHERE HE HITS WASHINGTON. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THEM THE MAJORITY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY FOLLOW UP IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          AND THEN THE D STREET STATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT CONCERN. 
          THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO PUT IN A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION AT THE CASA GRANDE MOTEL SITE WHILE WE DO A MAJOR REMODEL IN SEISMIC UPGRADE TO OUR 1938 HISTORIC FIRE STATION TO KEEP IT A FIRE STATION, WHICH IS PROBABLY SAVING, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A $5 MILLION PROJECT VERSUS A $20 MILLION REBUILD. 
          AND WE NEED A FIRE STATION IN THE DOWNTOWN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER. 
          UM, AND OVER THERE WHEN WE ADD THE, THIS SITE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY, IT'S TOO FAR TO GET TO GLIA OUT SUNNY SLOPE. 
          UM, SO EVEN IF WE BUILT THE, THE STATION FIRST AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE FAIRGROUNDS IS A GREAT AUGMENTATION WITH THE CITY INFILL WE'VE HAD, BUT IT'S, IT CAN'T REPLACE ANY ONE OF THE THREE FIRE STATIONS EVEN ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. 
          SO, THANKS. 
          UM, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN, LIKE, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO POUR OVER THIS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES ASSESSMENT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON CROSSTOWN CONNECTORS, PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE TIMES AND HELPING IS LIKE ALWAYS A PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK FOR, FOR ALL OF OUR, UM, LIKE LESSONS LEARNED HERE IS, LET'S JUST CONTINUE TO REITERATE WHY THIS IS THE SPOT EVERY TIME THAT WE DO A PRESENTATION YEAH. 
          EVERY TIME WE TALK TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A TON OF ANALYSIS AND THOUGHT THAT'S GONE INTO IT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S KEY TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING COMMUNITY COMMUNICATION OUT THERE. 
          SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, JUST QUICKLY, UM, I DO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT A PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT AND, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BENCHES BECAUSE THESE ARE LONG BLOCKS AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE BENCHES BECAUSE IT, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I KNOW WHEN, WHEN KMART CLOSED DOWN, THOSE BENCHES ARE GONE AND THE SENIOR CITIZENS REALLY NEED THOSE BENCHES TO GET FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER SO THEY CAN, UM, REST. 
          AND THE REST OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALONG THAT LINE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON BROUGHT UP ABOUT BENCHES. 
          THERE'S MUST BE A BUS ROUTE THAT'S GONNA GO THAT WAY AND WE'LL NEED BENCHES FOR THE BUS ROUTE TOO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TRAFFIC AND 
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BUS ROUTES WILL BE USING THAT AREA, BUT, UM, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I AM NOT, UM, PICKY ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, BUT I DO, UM, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE, THE FIRE STATION, UM, USUALLY HAS SOME SORT OF BANNER THAT SAYS WHAT WE'RE LIKE, WHETHER IT'S SLOW THE FAST DOWN OR, UM, FIRE SAFETY WEEK OR THE POLICE STATION HAS LITTLE FLAGS FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OUT IN FRONT. 
          SO THE LANDSCAPING ALSO IS A COMMUNITY BULLETIN BOARD, BUT IT'S FRIENDLY AND, UM, EDUCATIONAL. 
          ALSO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP ABOUT THE, THE D STREET PE. 
          THERE WAS A FIRE STATION THERE. 
          UM, I REMEMBER IT AS A LITTLE GIRL AND, UM, THE ONE DOWNTOWN HAD A FIRE POLE AND WE WERE REALLY THRILLED TO SEE THAT FIRE POLE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET UP AND DOWN A MODERN BUILDING, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO NOT ONLY THE GROUNDBREAKING AGAIN, BUT A RIBBON CUTTING. 
          SO I APPLAUD THE, UM, STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR, FOR GOING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT FINISHED. 
          HOORAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          I THINK IF, I THINK IF YOU DESIGN THE BUILDING, RIGHT, UM, IT BECOMES THE ART. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WILL BE LOOKING AT. 
          I, I DON'T ALWAYS LIKE THE IDEA OR SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE IT REALLY GETS SQUISHED IN AND DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL TOWN AND, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE A LOT OF WHAT MAKE THAT BEAUTIFUL, UM, FOR PARKING. 
          I'VE, I'VE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THAT ALREADY. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS TREE REQUIREMENTS, I HAVE TO THINK THAT AS THIS WAS DESIGNED, THERE WERE A COUPLE FACTORS HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, THIS IS A MAJOR CENTER, YOU DON'T WANT, UM, TO COMPROMISE IT. 
          YOU DON'T WANT COMBUSTIBLES AROUND IT WHERE YOU COULD LEAD TO FIRE AND, AND LOSING THE RESOURCE OF THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME TOO, FOR THE POLICE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK, I THINK THAT CREATES SAFETY CONCERNS IF YOU SURROUND THEM WITH A FOREST. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME TREES THERE AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO TREE COMMITTEE MAYBE ABOUT WHICH TYPES. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET TOO OVERBOARD WITH TREES IN THAT LOCATION. 
          HOME STRETCH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          SURE. 
          UH, MOST OF MY COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY, UM, BEEN SURFACED. 
          I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE, UH, THE COMMENTS ABOUT A PERMEABLE SURFACE AS OPPOSED TO ASPHALT, IF THAT'S, UH, UH, WITHIN, UH, BUDGETARY MEANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER REBS. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE, UH, THE TREE PART, UH, EVERYONE I THINK KNOWS I, I, I PLANT LOTS OF TREES HERE IN TOWN. 
          UM, AND I LOVE TREES. 
          HOWEVER, FOR THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY THAT, UM, IT TURNS OUT WHEN I DID MY SOLAR PANELS ON MY ROOFS, I HAD TO CUT DOWN THE TOPS OF A COUPLE TREES. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE INTERFERING WITH SHADING OF THE SOLAR PANELS. 
          SOLAR PANELS IN THIS PARKING LOT WILL BE SHADED BY ANY TREES IN, IN THAT SAME PARKING LOT IF THEY'RE TALL. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S GONNA BE A CONFLICT THERE. 
          SO, UM, PREFERABLY I WOULD RATHER SEE A, THE THIRD PV PANEL GO IN THAT SPOT THAT'S SECURE THE SHADING OF A HUNDRED PERCENT SHADE FROM A SOLAR PANEL. 
          AFTER MY RESEARCH I'VE DONE, UH, THE SHADING OF THE SOLAR PANEL ACTUALLY PROVIDES MORE COOLING THAN A TREE BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT SHADE VERSUS A 50% SHADE. 
          UM, SO FOR SHADING AND COOLING, ACTUALLY SOLAR PANELS ABOVE PARKING IS ACTUALLY AN EXCELLENT IDEA FOR THAT PART. 
          BUT FOR MITIGATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DESIGNATE IF WE CAN'T DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, A MINIMUM 10, 15, 20 ACRES OF A PARK WITH OVER A HUNDRED, MAYBE 200 TREES IN IT, DESIGNATED MITIGATED, PAID FOR FUNDING FROM THIS PROJECT SO THAT WE ACTUALLY CREATE THE PARK THAT WE HAVE BEEN ALWAYS WANTING AND ASKING FOR THAT IT GETS CREATED ON THIS SITE AND JUST PICK ITS LOCATION, UH, THROUGH A MASTER PLAN PROCESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          BUT BY THE TIME THIS GETS CONSTRUCTED, MASTER PLAN MAY BE DONE, WE MAY HAVE THE PLACE DESIGNATED AND LET'S BE, HAVE THAT AS OUR COOLING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, AND THAT COOLING WILL SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE AS WELL. 
          SO THE PVC PANELS IN THE PARKING LOT, I DO AGREE WITH THE, UH, PERMEABLE, UH, CEMENT. 
          THERE'S NEW TECHNIQUES NOW FOR PERMEABLE CEMENT THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REGULAR CEMENT FOR PERMEABILITY LONG TERM, ESPECIALLY BIG HEAVY FIRE TRUCKS. 
          YOU WANT THAT OVER ASPHALT IN YOUR BACKYARD? I THINK SO, UH, FOR THE PARKING. 
          SO I WOULD GO WITH THAT, UH, PERMEABLE CEMENT AND TREES, UM, PUT IN AS IT WAS DESIGNATED AREAS WITH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FAIRGROUNDS, UH, PARTICULARLY CONCENTRATED IN A MINIMUM 10 ACRE AREA PARK, UH, WOULD, WOULD MEET MY REQUIREMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLEY. 
          OTHER THOUGHTS? UM, I, I DO AS PART OF, UH, WHAT WOULD BE MY CLOSING COMMENTS ON THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, I REMEMBER, UM, YEARS AGO, HEARING COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS ITSELF COULD BE REDUCED TO A 20 ACRE FOOTPRINT AND SURVIVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT MINDSET STILL EXISTS OUT THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN PARKS AND REC JUST TOOK OVER THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NOW, NOW THIS FACILITY UP FRONT, WHICH NOBODY'S ARGUING THAT POLICE AND FIRE DON'T NEED MORE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT AND SERVE US, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A TAKEOVER UP FRONT AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ALL ALONG HAS BEEN PROMISING THAT WE KEEP THIS PROPERTY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NOW IT'S GETTING CARVED UP FOR CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I, I HEARD TWO CONFLICTING THINGS ABOUT, UM, IN REGARD TO THE RACETRACK WHERE I TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES AND I WAS TOLD STAFF HAD SPOKEN WITH THE RACETRACK DIRECTOR. 
          UM, BUT THEN THE RACETRACK DIRECTOR CAME UP AND HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK. 
          SO I THINK WE ALL NEED TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. 
          AND THEY, AND PART OF THE COMMON THEME IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SOMEHOW IN THE TIME SINCE THE CITY'S TAKEN OVER, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT, BUT WE'VE COME UP WITH AN ENTIRE FACILITY THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP A CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN. 
          I THINK TOO, WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL BOND AGREEMENT SAYS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN LINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, NOW THAT SAID THAT, THAT BOND AGREEMENT, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. 
          I'D LIKE THE REQUEST FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT I, THAT I CAN SEE THAT THE REST OF COUNCIL, IF THEY'D LIKE TO AS WELL, AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WITHIN, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN, UM, UH, QUITE A HISTORY TO THIS PROJECT, UH, AND THE FAIRGROUNDS EFFORT ITSELF. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THINGS THAT WE, UH, DID TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, AREN'T AS FRESH IN OUR MIND OR WE DON'T REALIZE. 
          BUT AN AWFUL LOT OF THIS WE'VE ARCHIVED ON THE, UM, FAIRGROUNDS, UM, PAGE FOR THE CITY AND CERTAINLY, UH, IN WITHIN THE, UM, UM, ITEMS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE COUNCIL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. 
          SO I'M SURE THAT, UH, THAT, UH, ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND, AND WE'RE PART OF CONVERSATIONS AT AN EARLIER DATE, UM, TO GIVE US ALL THE CONFIDENCE WE NEEDED TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          SO WE CAN GET YOU THAT, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY A, A A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          SO, UM, MI, MR. MAYOR, BUT I CAN PROVIDE A PRETTY QUICK RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF YOU, IF THAT WILL HELP. 
          UM, THE DEBT, THE DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED TO, UM, TO PURCHASE, UM, THE LAND IS LONG SINCE BEEN RETIRED. 
          THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. 
          UM, THE LAW THAT RESTRICTS, UM, SOME PARKLAND TO PARK USES APPLIES TO, UM, PARKLAND THAT'S DEEDED TO, UM, PUBLIC AGENCIES WITH TYPICALLY BY PRIVATE, UM, DONORS WITH RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO ENSURE ITS CONTINUED USE AS A PARK. 
          NONE OF THAT APPLIES IN THIS CASE. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE, UM, RIGHT. 
          THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS. 
          BUT WE HAVE, BUT THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS. 
          RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, AND WE'RE AT A DIFFERENT PLACE TODAY, SO THAT'S NOT GERMANE TODAY, BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT PUBLIC NEEDS MANY, LIKE MANY OF THESE THINGS, THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE A LITTLE REFRESHER AS WE GO ABOUT THINGS NEXT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO CLEAR THINGS UP. 
          AND THEN, SO, UM, WE WILL, WE'VE, YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, GIVE YOU THE DOCUMENT YEAH. 
          AND MAKE SURE IT'S POSTED. 
          BUT, UH, AND, AND COUNSEL, UH, INDICATES THAT IT'S NOT, UH, A PROBLEM FOR WHAT OUR PATHWAY IS FORWARD AND TONIGHT'S DOCUMENT AND TONIGHT'S DECISION MAKING AND FEEDBACK IS ABOUT THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO WE'LL STAY FOCUSED ON THAT. 
          AND, UM, I WANTED TO DROP IN ON THE TREES ISSUE WHERE CALTRAN STILL OWES US QUITE A BIT OF TREE FROM THEIR, UM, FROM THEIR HIGHWAY PROJECT. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE COMING UP WITH THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO STAY AFTER THEM FOR ALL THAT TREE CONTENT THAT THEY'RE BRINGING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT MORE SOLAR IN THE BACK WILL HELP THE, THE HEAT ISSUE AND, UM, IN THE PER PERMEABLE CONCRETE, UH, PERMEABLE CONCRETE'S, UH, GREAT, I LOVE IT. 
          I BUILT WITH IT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT IT, IN THIS SOILS, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE AN UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT DOES ADD A, UH, AN ADDED COST AND CONCRETE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT THE FIRST CHOICE BECAUSE ASPHALT IS SO MUCH CHEAPER. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THESE THINGS WILL CONTRIBUTE. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE A NUMBER FOR WHAT YOU THINK THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, BUT 
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I'M PRETTY SURE WE'LL BLANCH WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE NUMBER IS. 
          THOUGH IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT IN SUCH A LIGHT TRAFFIC AREA, THERE'S PROBABLY SUITABLE PARTS OF THE BACK LOT. 
          LET'S SEE THE BACK FENCE LINE COME IN. 
          IF THAT'S FUTURE AREA THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN TODAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BACK FENCE LINE COME IN. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE, HEY, MAYBE WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING OUR STAMP ON IT. 
          THE ROAD CAN GO THERE AND THAT SETS LIMITATIONS FOR PARAMETERS, CONSTRAINTS, BUT LET'S JUST NOT HAVE THAT INSIDE, OR AT LEAST I'D LIKE THAT CONSIDERED. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S NO MONUMENT SIGN SHOWN YET FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK I AGREE THAT WE'D LIKE SOME SORT OF ADVERTISING AT THE FRONT, UH, SOMETHING CONSIDERED GREAT SPARK CONVERSATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, I LOVE WHAT THE LIBRARY'S DONE WITH ART FROM, UM, MARY, MARY CHESNEY IS THAT, OR CHESNEY, WHERE WE BOUGHT SEVERAL OF HER PIECES AND, AND PUT THEM AROUND THE LIBRARY PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO PUBLIC ART THERE WITH NEW ARTISTS. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS, UM, I, UH, AND I DO LIKE THAT THE DESIGN BUILD SYSTEM AND GOING TO DESIGN BUILD IT DOES ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND, UM, INTEGRATION WITH THE MASTER PLAN. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THE MASTER PLAN'S GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A YEAR PROCESS AND DOESN'T START TO END A YEAR, WE'LL BE INTO CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT DESIGN BUILD ALLOWS THAT PERIMETER TO STILL HAVE AN INTEGRATION. 
          SO I'M, I'M LIKING EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN IN THIS. 
          UM, AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SRID, UM, JUST ONE ADD ONE, ONE MORE COMMENT, UH, FROM BEFORE. 
          UM, AND THAT IS, UH, THE CURRENT BOOK, THERE'S ABUNDANCES IS OUT THERE AND RECOMMENDING THAT REALLY NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND MAKE IT HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER. 
          UH, FIND OUT WHAT THE ROADBLOCKS ARE, GET RID OF THOSE ROADBLOCKS THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH PROCESS, PROCESS, PROCESS, PROCESS AND NEVER GET IT DONE, GETTING THAT COMPACTED DOWN. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW INFLATION ACCORDING EVERYONE'S PREDICTION SO FAR, I'M HEARING THERE'S GONNA BE INFLATION COMING UP. 
          IT'S GONNA COST MORE DOWN THE LINE. 
          SO THE SOONER WE GET IT DONE, THE FASTER WE GET THIS IN PLACE, UM, IS GONNA COST US LESS THAN THE LONG, LONG TERM. 
          SO IF WE HAVE TO GIVE UP, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT OF THE GIVE AND TAKE AND JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN, NO BETTER COMMENT BEFORE THAT. 
          NO BETTER COMMENT TO CLOSE THIS ON, THEN LET'S GET IT DONE. 
          I I LOVE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT WE'RE CLOSING THIS WORKSHOP AND THIS PIECE OF, OF OUR MEETING, WE'LL BE DISMISSING OUR JOINT PANELISTS, OUR, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE WE CHANGE THE CHAIRS AROUND AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK IN FIVE MINUTES. 
          OKAY? LET'S BRING EVERYBODY BACK, UH, INTO THE SEATS AND RECONVENE THIS MEETING. 
          AND AT 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
THIS POINT, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE'RE SO FAR OFF SCHEDULE, BUT SUCH IMPORTANT WORK TONIGHT AND YOU'VE STAYED. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL STAYING AND, AND, UH, TAKING TERMS SPEAK, TAKING TURNS TO SPEAK TONIGHT. 
          UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. 
          IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK, THAT WOULD BE AT ONE MINUTE EACH. 
          THEN THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AFTER THE LAST BUSINESS ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY EMAILS AND THEN TO PROCEED INTO THE MESSAGE, WE RECEIVED NINE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH ARE ALL POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AT THIS TIME. 
          I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          DURING THESE 30 SECONDS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. 
          SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          SO WE HAVE 11 SPEAKER CARDS TONIGHT, AND SO WE WILL RUN AT TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. 
          AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO REITERATE WHAT SOMEONE 
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AHEAD OF YOU HAS SAID, IT'S OKAY TO GO LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRISTOPHER BROWN TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. 
          AND DID CHRIS LEAVE IT? DID I, I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE AND, AND I HOPE EVERYONE REALIZES YOU CAN EMAIL US AND THOSE EMAILS GO DIRECT TO COUNSEL WHO READS EVERY EMAIL. 
          CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS CAPTAIN BROWSKI. 
          CHRIS, UH, YOU SPOKE OVER TWO AND A HALF HOURS ON THE SAME SUBJECT. 
          THAT'S WHY CHRIS BROWN LEFT BECAUSE HE GOT TIRED OF WAITING. 
          I LIVE AT THE LITTLE WOODS VILLA MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          I DID SOME INVESTIGATING. 
          I FOUND THAT HARMONY IS LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH SAYING THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PARK FOR ONE REASON, THEY WERE RENT. 
          THEY, THEY'RE SELLING A MOBILE HOME IN THERE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RENTING THAT SPACE AT THAT MOBILE HOME FOR 1000 AND $195. 
          AND THEY BROUGHT IN A NEW MOBILE HOME. 
          SO HARMONY HAS BEEN TERRORIZING US, HARASSING US. 
          THEY DOING, THEY'RE DOING THIS STATEWIDE AND THEY SAID THEY CAN'T AFFORD, KEEP UP THE MOBILE PARKS. 
          THEY'RE LIARS. 
          THEY GO AROUND BUYING MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          THEY'RE WEALTHY AND THEY'RE MONEY HUNGRY. 
          AND IT HAS TO STOP NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE SICK AND TIRED OF IT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND HAR, THE CITY NEEDS TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST HARMONY RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. 
          THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SANDRA SHAND TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROGERS. 
          I WANT TO APPLAUD THE CITY COUNCIL'S STAND IN FAVOR OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AS WE SEE MASKED, UNIDENTIFIED ICE PEOPLE, KIDNAPPING FOLKS OFF THE STREETS AND TERRORIZING, THAT IS JUST TO ME A FIRST STEP. 
          FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE IMMIGRANTS HERE AND IT'S A, A TERRIBLE THING TO SEE HAPPENING. 
          IT'S SO AWFUL. 
          AND I THINK IT IS CONNECTED TO A GENERALLY MORE LAWLESS WORLD WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT WERE INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS, THAT WERE WON AT SUCH AN UNSPEAKABLY HIGH PRICE AFTER THE HOLOCAUST FOR INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS THAT ARE BEING TRAMPLED BY COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY, INCLUDING OUR OWN, INCLUDING FOLKS COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE UNIDENTIFIED. 
          THE POLICE HERE TONIGHT, YOU CAN SEE WHO THEY ARE. 
          THEY'RE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEY'RE IDENTIFIED. 
          THEY'RE NOT MASKED BROWN SHIRT PEOPLE WHO ARE ASHAMED OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR WHO ARE WORRIED THAT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY STRONG AND TO KEEP IN MIND THAT LAWLESSNESS ON THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL COMES DOWN TO THE MICROCOSM AND TO STAND UP FOR PEACE AND FOR MEANINGFUL CEASEFIRE, AND TO PROVIDE AID TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA BY TAKING A STAND AGAINST GENOCIDE AND FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN GENERAL. 
          LET US TRULY STAND AGAINST HATE BECAUSE THE MICROCOSM DOES REFLECT THE BIG PICTURE. 
          THANK YOU CHANTELLE ROGERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY REVELLE MAST. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND AND APPLAUD THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO REDUCE SPEEDS ON ROADS AROUND TOWN TO ENSURE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. 
          BUT I THINK VIEWING STRAIGHT STREETS AS THE ENEMY IS SHORTSIGHTED, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR VEHICLES TO NAVIGATE AROUND AND ADDING CURVES TO STRAIGHT STREETS MAY SLOW CARS DOWN SOME. 
          HOWEVER, THIS ALSO REQUIRES A DRIVER'S FULL ATTENTION, LEAVING THEM WITH LITTLE BANDWIDTH TO TAKE IN CYCLISTS AND WALKERS IN THE AREA. 
          WHEN YOU APPROACH AN INTERSECTION OR SECTION OF ROAD WITH OBSTACLES IN THE ROAD, CURB OUTS, COLORED OR NOT SIGNS AND CEMENT BLOCKS IN THE ROAD AND MULTIPLE COLORS OF PAINT, YOU ARE NECESSARILY FOCUSED SOLELY ON DRIVING THROUGH THAT AREA AND NOT ON WHO ELSE IS AROUND YOU. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THIS INADVERTENTLY CREATES DISTRACTED DRIVING AND IS ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS FOR OTHER USERS OF THE ROAD. 
          STRAIGHT UNOBSTRUCTED ROADS ARE THE SIMPLEST FOR VEHICLES TO DRIVE SAFELY, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR AGING POPULATIONS. 
          SO WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE STREETS 
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WHERE CARS ARE DRIVING TOO FAST? ONE SOLUTION I'VE SEEN WORK THAT WE HAVE NOT TRIED HERE YET IS SPEED TABLES. 
          SPEED TABLES ARE LIKE LONG SPEED BUMPS. 
          THEY'RE USUALLY THREE OR SO INCHES HIGH AND ABOUT 22 FEET LONG. 
          THIS ALLOWS CARS AND TRUCKS TO COME UP ON THE ELEVATION, BUT HAVE OUR FOUR WHEELS AT THAT LEVEL BEFORE DESCENDING THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THIS SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT WITHOUT THE JARRING EFFECT OF SPEED BUMPS OR HUMPS. 
          AND THEY COVER THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE STREET, SO CANNOT BE AVOIDED. 
          EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN SAFELY USE THEM WITH MINIMAL DELAY IN RESPONSE TIMES AND POSSIBLY EVEN LESS THAN NAVIGATION CIRCLES OR MEDIAN ISLANDS SPEED TABLES IN CONJUNCTION WITH SPEED LIMIT REMINDER SIGNAGE MAY SLOW SLOW SPEEDS IN SOME AREAS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR DISTRACTING OBSTACLES. 
          THEIR COST IS MINIMAL AND THEN YOU DO NOT NEED CONSTANT MAINTENANCE LIKE ALL OF THE PAINTED PAVEMENT DOES. 
          THE RECENTLY ADDED MEDIAN ISLANDS ON I STREET WILL NOT ACTUALLY THROW TRAFFIC. 
          PEOPLE WILL JUST PULL INTO THE BIKE LANES AND NOT SLOW DOWN. 
          I HOPE THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER SPEED TABLES AS AN ALTERNATIVE WHEN SPEED REDUCTION IS NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU REVELLE MASS TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER. 
          UM, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. 
          ONE, I MEANT, I MEANT TO MAKE COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS ISSUE, THE WORKSHOP. 
          UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT INCORPORATION OF THE SAFE TEAM INTO THIS PROJECT AND GIVEN THIS A, THIS IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION PROJECT, UM, I'D LIKE THOSE WITH THIS DECISION MAKING POWER TO CONSIDER IF THERE ARE ANY WAYS THAT THEY CAN BE INVOLVED IN THIS CENTRALIZED EMERGENCY RESPONDER, UM, CENTER. 
          UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SPEAK UP IN SUPPORT OF THE YOUNGSTOWN'S RESIDENTS AND THEIR BATTLE WITH, UM, YEAH, THEIR BATTLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JANICE BARKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY KAY POLAND. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF. 
          TONIGHT WE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE PUSH FOR A POTENTIAL RECALL ELECTION AGAINST JANICE KA THOMPSON. 
          WHY DID WE GET INVOLVED? IT'S SIMPLE. 
          JANICE WAS VOTED INTO OFFICE IN 2022. 
          JANICE STARTED LISTENING TO OUR RESIDENTS WELL BEFORE SHE WAS ELECTED. 
          THERE IS AN, THERE IS AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR WHERE THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT ONE WILL VOTE FOR WHO TAKES THE CITY COUNCIL SEAT IN JANUARY, 2027. 
          IT WAS AN, IT WAS NOT A CLOSE VOTE IN 2022. 
          THIS PUSH FOR A RECALL FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAS NOT LIVED IN DISTRICT ONE, IN OUR OPINION, SEEMS DIRECTED AGAINST JANICE FOR PERSONALITY WORDS AND VOTES. 
          THIS PUSH IS IRONICALLY NOT DIRECTED AT ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THEIR PERSONALITY, THEIR WORDS, THEIR OR THEIR VOTES. 
          THE PROCESS TO EVEN PUSH FORWARD A RECALL ELECTION IS NOT QUICK. 
          IN FACT, IT REQUIRES A DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT TO TAKE THE LEAD AND REQUIRE REQUIRED NUMBER OF VERIFIED SIGNATURES TO MOVE TO GET 25% SIGNATURES LEADING TO A SPECIAL ELECTION AT THE EARLIEST. 
          THIS COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE ONLY TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR WHEN THE REGULAR ELECTION IS TO TAKE PLACE. 
          THIS TYPE OF ELECTION WOULD REQUIRE AN ESTIMATED $300,000 BE USED BY TAXPAYER MONEY TO FUND IT. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO ETHICAL SUBSTANTIATED VIOLATIONS, NO MISUSE OF FIDUCIARY OR LEGAL CITY INFORMATION, AND NOTHING LEGAL TO SUGGEST THAT JANICE SHOULD BE REMOVED. 
          ONE OF THE OPINIONS WE HEAR IS THAT SHE VOTES FOR ALL AND ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUSH THIS RECALL FORWARD. 
          BUT THE RESIDENTS DO NOT GET TO VOTE IN THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH KAY POLLAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. 
          BUT ALL RESIDENTS DO NOT GET TO VOTE IN EITHER A DISTRICT ONE RECALL ELECTION OR THE REGULAR ELECTION. 
          IN BOTH CASES, IT'S ONLY DISTRICT ONE ALLOWED TO CAST THEIR VOTE. 
          SO A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS WENT OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY IN A CIVILIZED MANNER TO EDUCATE OUR FELLOW DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS ABOUT JANICE K OR THOMPSON'S RESULTS. 
          IN CONCERT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WE KNEW A LOT OF RESIDENTS JUGGLING CAREERS. 
          WE KNOW A LOT FAMILIES OR LIFE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE FACTUAL DATA OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED UNLESS IT WAS A HOT BUTTON ISSUED REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          OUR INTENT WAS PURE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION SO THAT EACH RESIDENT COULD MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE WHETHER TO SIGN OR NOT. 
          WE OFFERED JUST ONE WAIT FOR THE RESIDENTS IN SUPPORT OF NO RECALL TO SIGN THEIR NAME. 
          WE FEEL THE INTENT OF THIS POTENTIAL RECALL IS THAT THE LEAST SUSPECT. 
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WE REALIZE THIS IS NOT LEGAL DOCUMENT, BUT THE INTENT TO SHOW THERE ARE MANY RESIDENTS FEELING THAT A RECALL UNNECESSARY AND UNWANTED. 
          WE ARE NOT READY TO TURN TO THE IN THE SIGNATURES BECAUSE AT 6 0 4 WE ARE STILL TAKING OUR TIME AS SENIORS GETTING TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          WE ALSO ARE COGNIZANT THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS THAT DO NOT FEEL THE SAME WAY. 
          SO THIS PAST THURSDAY, WE WERE ABLE TO VIEW THE FRONT FRONT PAGE OF THE RESIDENT WHO WAS LEADING THE DISTRICT ONE RECALL EFFORT AFTER IT WAS SERVED PUBLICLY. 
          IRONIC, AS IT TURNS OUT, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS ACQUAINTANCES WAS RELATED TO THIS YOUNG WOMAN. 
          WE ASKED IF WE COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE TO WARN HER SEEKING THIS RECALL. 
          OUR INTENT ALWAYS WAS TO UNDERSTAND AND LEARN WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISSING. 
          HER RELATIVE GUIDED US TO HARBOR FREIGHT WHERE SHE WORKS, AND WE WERE INTRODUCED TO THIS YOUNG WOMAN. 
          WE SIMPLY STATED STARTED WITH ASKING IF SHE KNEW THE PART JANICE HAD PLAYED IN SUPPORTING NOT JUST MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS BUT IMMIGRANTS. 
          SHE SAID SHE HAD NO IDEA. 
          WE ASKED IF SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED BETWEEN HER AND JANICE THAT WE SHOULD KNOW. 
          SHE ANSWERED THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW JANICE. 
          WE ASKED IF SHE KNEW A MAN NAMED JOHN. 
          SHE ANSWERED THAT SHE DID KNOW A FREQUENT CUSTOMER NAMED JOHN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JODY JOHNSON. 
          TO BE FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER BOYLE. 
          WE ASKED IF SHE KNEW SHE WAS THE LEAD DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT IN THE POTENTIAL RECALL OF JANICE CA THOMPSON. 
          AND THAT PAPERS HAD BEEN SERVED A TESTING TO THAT. 
          SHE SAID SHE HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT. 
          SHE THEN WENT ON TO SAY THAT JOHN HAD ENTERED HARBOR FREIGHT, LIKED TO TALK WITH THE EMPLOYEES AND ASKED HER WHAT HER ADDRESS WAS. 
          SHE SAID HE ENTERED INTO HIS PHONE AND THEN SAID, YOU LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE. 
          COULD YOU DO ME A SIMPLE FAVOR? SHE WENT ON TO SAY THAT HE SAID HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE A PERSON DID NOT GET REELECTED AND THAT HE HAD GONE UP AGAINST HER ON POLICING ISSUES AND HAD WON. 
          HE SAID IF SHE JUST SIGNED, HE WOULD DO ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND HE STATED HE WOULD DO THINGS UNDERCOVER AND THAT IF ANYONE CALLED JUST LISTEN, BUT TO NOT SAY ANYTHING. 
          SHE WENT ON TO SAY THAT HE HAD JUST COME BACK THAT MORNING AND HAD HER SIGN AGAIN AS HE SAID HE HAD MADE A MISTAKE. 
          WE AS RESIDENTS FELT TEARS COMING TO OUR EYES FOR THIS 24-YEAR-OLD HISPANIC WOMAN WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT HER NAME AND SIGNATURE WAS BEING USED FOR. 
          IMMEDIATELY SHE WENT INTO THE OFFICE OF HARBOR FREIGHT, CREATING A NOTE SAYING SHE WANTED HER NAME AND THE RECALL PAPERWORK SHE HAD JUST LEARNED ABOUT WITHDRAWN. 
          SHE ASKED IF WE WOULD DELIVER IT FOR HER. 
          OUR THOUGHTS WERE WITH THIS UNASSUMING YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS BEING USED FOR. 
          SINKING FEELING COMES TO MIND, CONCERN, AND MOST NOTABLY INTENT COMES TO MIND. 
          WE AS RESIDENTS DID NOT GO LOOKING FOR THIS INFORMATION. 
          IN FACT, WE WERE AS STUNNED AS ANYONE THAT THIS HAD HAPPENED. 
          OUR ONLY INTENT WAS THAT ALL RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT ONE UNDERSTOOD FACTUAL RESULTS AND COULD MAKE THEIR OWN INFORMED CHOICE. 
          PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR ANY CITY OR WOULD HAVE DONE THIS FOR ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AS WE JUST SIMPLY BELIEVE THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR RECALL REQUIRE GREATER ISSUES OR VIOLATIONS. 
          NO RECALL IS NECESSARY OR WARRANTED ARE ELECTION WILL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT, JENNIFER BOYLE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE THROUGH, WE CAN PASS RIGHT? TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY RICHARD HINER. 
          WE NEED THIS URGENCY. 
          NOTICE WE NEED IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN AGENDA ITEM WE'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, I'M BACK ON. 
          OKAY, SO LET ME PASS TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. 
          NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN JANICE CATER THOMPSON. 
          I HAVE HAD A LOT OF FAITH IN HER. 
          I HAVE SEEN HER MANY TIMES, NOT ONLY AT OUR PARKS, BUT AT EVENTS. 
          I LIKE WHAT SHE SAYS. 
          I DON'T LIKE THAT ANYONE CAN THINK THEY CAN JUST SNEAK AROUND THE BACK AND TRY TO UNDERMINE SOMEONE. 
          NOW A LOT OF POWER. 
          PUT JANICE KADER THOMPSON INTO THAT SEAT AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT MORE TO TAKE HER OUT. 
          AND WE'RE NOT STOPPING AT JUST THE FEW PEOPLE AND SIGNATURES WE HAVE. 
          WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE KNOCKING DOORS ON THE REAL ISSUE OF DISTRICT ONE. 
          AND WE HAVE PAPERS THAT STATE JUST WHAT SHE'S DONE ALL ON PAPER HERE, ALL PROVABLE. 
          AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA BACK HER UP. 
          WE'RE GONNA LET DISTRICT ONE KNOW THAT THAT WOMAN NEEDS TO BE IN THAT SEAT. 
          AND THE RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THIS FELLA IS ASKING THE 
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CITY TO SPEND IS SUCH A WASTE OF MONEY. 
          SHE'S ALREADY GONNA BE UP NEXT YEAR. 
          HE'S NOT GONNA GET THIS IF IT WENT FORWARD, OF WHICH IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE EDUCATED. 
          IT WOULDN'T COME UNTIL NEXT YEAR. 
          WHAT'S HE THINKING BEFORE HE'S EVEN, HE MIGHT EVEN RUN BEFORE HE IS EVEN ON. 
          HE'S TRYING TO SPEND THE MONEY. 
          I THINK IT'S WRONG. 
          JUST SO YOU KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, RICHARD HUBNER, OUR LAST SPEAKER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I I DID JUST SPEAK TO JANICE ABOUT, UH, SOME OF US NEEDING A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION  TWO MINUTES WISE TO USE THE RELAY METHOD IN ANY CASE, UM, I'M HERE ABOUT HOUSING ISSUES AND 9 1 1 SERVICES AND JANICE PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING. 
          I WOULD SAY THE REASON WHY I AM INTERESTED IN PUTTING THIS FORWARD IS, UH, I HAD TROUBLE GETTING AN AMBULANCE TO RESPOND TO MY ADDRESS IN PETAL THE MIC. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK THAT? YES. 
          I HAD TROUBLE GETTING AN AMBULANCE  TO RESPOND TO MY, UH, APARTMENT IN PETALUMA, CALIFORNIA. 
          I HAD TO DRIVE MYSELF TO THE HOSPITAL, UH, WHEN I HAD PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH BLOOD IN ME. 
          I HAD BEEN HAVING INTERNAL BLEEDING, PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH BLOOD TO SEE IF I WAS DRINKING AND I HADN'T BEEN. 
          I'M A FORMER DRUG USE AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER COUNSELOR, AND I CAN DRINK, IT WILL KILL ME. 
          ALSO. 
          I CAN'T TAKE ASPIRIN OR NSAIDS THAT WILL KILL ME. 
          THEY ALL HELP THE BLEEDING. 
          SO I'M STUCK TAKING OPIOIDS. 
          UM, I PROBABLY HAD SIX YEARS LEFT TO LIVE. 
          THE LIVER IS PART OF THE ISSUE AND WHOLE OTHERS, BUT, UH, I'M NOT, I'M GOING INTO PALLIATIVE CARE SOON. 
          UM, I TRIED TO TAKE THIS UP WITH HOUSING. 
          THE LAST TIME I GOT ANY HELP FROM THE CITY OF PETALUMA WAS IN 2010 FROM BONNIE GABER AND SOME OF YOU OLD TIMERS MAY REMEMBER BONNIE. 
          ANYWAY, MY TIME IS UP AND UH, I'LL BE BACK. 
          . 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT CLOSES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, AND, UH, THAT 
          [COUNCIL COMMENT]
TAKES US TO COUNCIL COMMENT, GIVEN THE HOUR. 
          UM, I'M GONNA RUSH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THROUGH THE, THEIR REPORTS PRETTY QUICKLY AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. 
          OKAY. 
          THREE ITEMS. OKAY, THREE ITEMS. UM, I'M PART OF THE AG AND OPEN SPACE AND WE ACTUALLY TOOK A, UH, A MEETING OVER AT MARK WEST SPRINGS PARK, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY BURNED OUT A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          UH, THEY HAVE OBTAINED, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES PUT TOGETHER. 
          PROBABLY OVER $30 MILLION OF EFFORT HAS GONE IN GIVEN OVER TO THE REGIONAL PARKS, UH, PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY TAKE A, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE ACTUALLY TOOK A TOUR OF THE WHOLE PLACE AND THERE'S LIKE ALMOST A HUNDRED MILES. 
          THERE'S MANY, MANY MILES OF, UM, HORSE TRAILS THAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT BY THE PRIOR RESIDENTS. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL PARK FOR ALL OF US TO GO TO. 
          SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT IT IS, UH, THEY SAID THEY GET OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHIN THE YEAR, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY A MONTHLY, UH, GET ON THE LIST RESERVATION TYPE THING YOU CAN GET OUT THERE. 
          SO ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN TAKING A NICE WALK THROUGH SOME BEAUTIFUL LAND THAT WE'RE, THAT ARE NOW IN OUR POSSESSION, UH, THROUGH OUR AG AND OPEN SPACE. 
          IT'S NOW AVAILABLE, UH, COMING UP ANYWAY. 
          YOU'LL, WE'LL, IT'LL BE OPEN WITHIN THE YEAR. 
          UM, THE FAIRGROUNDS, I DID WASTE MONITORING, UH, DURING THE MUSIC FESTIVAL, UH, FOR, UH, FOUR HOURS. 
          AND A LOT OF FOLKS WERE VERY THANKFUL THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WHERE IN WHICH BIN. 
          UM, AND IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS LIKE A HIGHLIGHT FOR THEM THAT, HEY, FINALLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR MONITORING THAT, UH, AND, AND HELPING OUT MAKING SURE EVERYTHING WENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          UH, I ALSO WENT TO THE COAST GUARD WITH A COUPLE OTHER OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, FOR THEIR CELEBRATION THIS LAST FRIDAY. 
          AND LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO EVEN MORE COOPERATION INTERACTION WITH, WITH, UH, THE TEAM THAT'S OUT THERE, UH, WORKING BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE NO LIAISON REPORTS IN ANY INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL FORGO ANY OTHER COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          UM, THANKS FOR STAYING HERE FOR FOUR HOURS. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO LAST WEEK, UH, SONOMA WATER GAVE ME A TOUR OF SEVERAL OF THEIR FACILITIES. 
          UM, BEING THAT I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE MEMBER 
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ON THE WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, AT LAKE SONOMA, WE LOOKED AT THEIR FACILITIES ALONG THE RUSSIAN RIVER, HOW THEY ACTUALLY GET WATER TO US. 
          UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          IT'S PRETTY AMAZING WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN IN THE CASINGS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY PULL WATER OFF THE RUSSIAN RIVER, UM, TO SEE HOW CLEAR AND HOW GREAT OUR WATER ACTUALLY IS. 
          UM, IT'S A PRETTY AMAZING FACILITY AND IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY ENVIRONMENTAL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, IT'S ACTUALLY NATURALLY FILTERED AND THAT WATER TRAVELS THROUGH OVER A HUNDRED FEET OF ROCK AND SILT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY CLEAN. 
          UM, LAST WEEKEND, THE FOUR H AUCTION STARTED. 
          UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FOUR H AND FFA KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN RAISING ANIMALS FOR A LONG TIME NOW. 
          UH, LEARNING SHOWMANSHIP, LEARNING HOW TO HANDLE WITH HANDLE ANIMALS, HOW TO RAISE THEM, UM, AND HOW TO START, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A BUSINESS IN A SENSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FIND BUYERS FOR THEIR ANIMALS. 
          AND SO, UH, WENT THERE TO SUPPORT THEM. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM THAT WE DO FOR AGRICULTURE AND FOR KIDS TO JUST LEARN ABOUT ANIMALS IN GENERAL. 
          UM, THAT'S AT THE SONOMA COUNTY FAIR, WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW JUST STARTED. 
          SO IF YOU CAN GO CHECK THAT OUT. 
          THEY'VE GOT THE HALL OF FLOWERS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. 
          SO IF WE GO SUPPORT OUR NEIGHBORS IN SANTA ROSA, IT'D BE GREAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THIS MORNING THE WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR MEETING THERE WAS MARIN WATER'S CONTRACT GOT RENEWED. 
          UM, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, MARIN WATER IS A CUSTOMER OF SONOMA WATER, AND THEY PURCHASED WATER FROM US THROUGH OUR AQUA, UM, OUR, UM, AQUIFERS. 
          AND SO AQUEDUCT, EXCUSE ME. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT PLUS WE GOT AN UPDATE ON THE POTTER VALLEY SITUATION, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO OUR WATER SUPPLY. 
          UM, ON THE, ON JULY 25TH, PG E SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION TO FERC, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WILL THEN DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH EVERYTHING. 
          AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE UPDATES I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, MY PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE LIAISON REPORT. 
          AT OUR JULY MEETING, WE HAD A PRESENTATION BY THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF IN REGARDS TO HOW PUBLIC RECEIVES INFORMATION REGARDING THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM SOCIAL MEDIA TO DISTRICT NEWSLETTERS. 
          UM, TOMORROW NIGHT IS OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT FROM FOUR TO SEVEN AT THE PETALUMA FAIRGROUNDS, CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL BE ON HAND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND DEMONSTRATE EQUIPMENT. 
          THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND ALL AGES, AND IT'S FREE. 
          AND IT'S FROM 47, SO DON'T FORGET TOMORROW NIGHT. 
          UM, FAMILIES ARE ENCOURAGED. 
          UH, TONIGHT'S AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 11, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE REVIEW AND REP PROOF AND ADOPT THE FISCAL YEAR 24 25 ANNUAL MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE REPORT THAT WAS HEARD, UM, THE MONTH LAST MONTH BY THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND SENIORS, ARE YOU READY FOR AN EMERGENCY? THIS IS ALSO ALL PUBLIC, BUT PENDULUM IS, IS HOSTING A TWO PART WORKSHOP. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS SEPTEMBER 13TH AND THE 27TH AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          FOR MORE INFORMATION, THE WEBSITE IS EMERGENCY PREP HELP.ORG. 
          AND, UM, THROUGH BEING A COOL PETALUMA LEADER, UM, WE DID THIS FOR, UM, A GROUP OF PEOPLE YESTERDAY. 
          UM, AND MY SON MARSHALL HELPED OUT WHO'S ALSO A COOL PETALUMA, UM, LEADER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS A, UM, A DEPUTY FIRED MARSHALL IN SAUSALITO. 
          SO, DO YOU KNOW YOUR EVACUATION ZONE? DO YOU HAVE A PERSONAL EMERGENCY PLAN AND DOES YOUR NEIGHBOR? SO THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH LAST WEEK'S TSUNAMI WARNINGS. 
          SO, THAT'S IT. 
          I DID IT REAL FAST. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GARY THOMPSON. 
          UM, LAST WEEK I WAS ALSO, UM, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY ON THE WATER TOUR, AND IT WAS AN ALL DAY TOUR, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, AND IT'S AN, I THINK THE ENTIRE COUNCIL SHOULD GO ON THE TOUR AND ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH WATER AGENCY WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, SET UP TIMES FOR THESE TOURS. 
          UM, AND THEN I WAS AT THE WAC MEETING THIS MORNING ALSO, WHICH IS A WATER ADVISORY, UM, MEETING. 
          AND LAST WHEN I WAS UP AT THE LL RIVER, JERRY AND I WERE SITTING THERE PLAYING CARDS, AND WE DECIDED TO LISTEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE SID COMMONS WAS ON. 
          AND I JUST REALLY WANNA THANK THE PAY RENT COMMUNITY FOR, UM, THEIR GREAT COMMENTS THAT THEY MADE, AND ALSO CITY STAFF ARE REALLY LISTENING ABOUT WHAT THE ISSUES REALLY WERE, WHICH IS TRAFFIC ON GRAY LAWN AND TRAFFIC ON JESS, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MITIGATE SOME OF THAT. 
          AND IT WAS JUST REALLY GOOD TO SEE A COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO LITIGATIONS FOR THIS WITH THIS, UM, PROJECT, AND THEY WERE LOST. 
          AND SO THE COMMUNITY WAS KIND OF BEING FED THAT YOU COULD STILL CHANGE THE PROJECT WHEN YOU REALLY COULDN'T. 
          AND THEN THEY CAME UP WITH REALLY GOOD, UM, GOOD COMMENTS, AND I CONTACTED 
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QUITE A FEW OF THEM. 
          I ACTUALLY TALKED TO SOME WHEN I WAS ON VACATION, AND I WAS JUST REALLY PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW THEY PULLED TOGETHER, GAVE GREAT COMMENTS, AND THOSE COMMENTS WERE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 147 MITIGATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO FOR IT, IT WAS REALLY POSITIVE. 
          AND I WANNA THANK MY FRIENDS AT YOUNGSTOWN. 
          IT'S REALLY MEANINGFUL, UM, UM, TO HEAR YOUR SUPPORT AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY, VERY MUCH. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME THAT, UM, DON'T SUPPORT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO GET ON WITH CITY BUSINESS, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE? YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON STOLE MY THUNDER. 
          UM, WE HAD A, UH, UH, A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE WE REVIEWED THE, UM, THE SID COMMONS PROJECT, UM, AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY CLIMBED UP OVER 150, MAYBE EVEN OVER 160 DIFFERENT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS A, A GREAT MEETING. 
          OUR NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HIT THE GROUND, UM, IN STRIDE AND DID SOME REALLY, UM, REALLY CONDUCTED THE BUSINESS. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS GREAT OUTCOME. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE, I THINK, 180 NEW HOMES COMING ONLINE SOON, SO THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S LIKE SOME SORT OF RECORD FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WAY, I THINK THE CORY HEIGHTS, UH, MAYOR BARRETT SAID THERE WAS LIKE 800 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR CORY HEIGHTS, SHE SAID. 
          I REMEMBER. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, TO KEEP IT BRIEF, UH, I JUST WANT TO UPDATE, UH, FOLKS ON A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE IS THAT THE KEEPING PEOPLE HOUSED PROGRAM, UM, WE, UM, WHICH IS A WAY, A WAY TO FUND PEOPLE WHO, UM, COULD FALL OUT OF HOUSING AND INTO HOMELESSNESS. 
          SO IT'S UPSTREAM INVESTMENT, WHICH IS LIKE, THAT SAVES YOU SO MUCH MONEY IF YOU CAN PREVENT, UH, A PROBLEM. 
          AND THEY'VE HAD, UH, UH, OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE HELP THIS YEAR. 
          UM, MANY JUST NEED TO REFER TO LEGAL AID OF SONOMA COUNTY, BUT ON AVERAGE, UH, THE SUBSIDIES THEY'VE BEEN HELPING FOR, FOR SOME RENTS AND THINGS, AVERAGING THE $3,000 PER PERSON. 
          AND, UM, $156,000 HAS BEEN SPENT IN, IN PETALUMA. 
          AND, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S AN IMPACTFUL PROGRAM THAT WE JUST REALLY HAVE TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT. 
          UM, ALSO, AND SADLY, UM, I'M GETTING MORE AND MORE REPORTS OF, UM, THE FEAR OF ICE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO GO TO SCHOOL. 
          PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO RIDE BUSES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE FREE. 
          BUT THE ONE THAT'S BREAKING MY HEART IS NOW THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO TO HEALTHCARE, UH, BECAUSE ALL THESE PLACES ARE RISKS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SHOWS WHY THIS COUNCIL HAS STOOD FOR, UH, ENTERING INTO VARIOUS SUITS THAT WE HAVE AND, AND OTHER ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN AS, I THINK IT'S THE COUNCIL'S. 
          IT'S THE IMPERATIVE OF THE COUNCIL TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          UH, LASTLY, AND ON A HIGHLIGHT, UH, AND MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER WILL HELP ME WITH THIS, BUT THE LIBRARY WILL BE REOPENING AT THE END OF AUG. 
          I THINK AUGUST 25TH IS THE, THE DATE THEY'RE PLANNING FOR A RIBBON CUTTING AFTER A A, A YEAR OF SUPER REMODELED. 
          AND SO THAT'S A, A GOOD THING. 
          AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PASS IT OVER TO 
          [CITY MANAGER COMMENT]
THE CITY MANAGER FOR HER REPORT. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA PASS TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          OH, AND ACTUALLY IT WAS 144 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT NOW I GOTTA CHECK OUT CORY HEIGHTS TO SEE IF THERE WAS A RECORD . 
          WONDERFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          [CONSENT CALENDAR]
AND THAT GETS US TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND, UM, AT THIS POINT, I ALWAYS LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DI AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO PULL ANY INDIVIDUAL ITEM OR, I MEAN, WE WILL DO QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, IF THEIR INTENTION IS NOT TO VOTE FOR IT, SOMETIMES A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL PULL AN ITEM FROM IT. 
          AND IS IT A QUESTION OR A REQUEST TO PULL? A REQUEST TO PULL? OKAY. 
          ITEM, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE SYNTHETIC TURF MATERIALS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          CAN WE PULL THAT ITEM? WE, WE MAY UPON REQUEST TO DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY, UM, OTHERS SEEING NO OTHERS? THEN I, UM, WE'LL HANDLE THIS, UH, ALL AS ONE IN TERMS OF, UM, COUNSEL, UM, QUESTIONS AND THEN IN PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THIS, COUNSEL, HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS? UM, LET'S DO FIRST ANY FURTHER, ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS, BUT SIX. 
          AND THEN FOR ITEM SIX, UM, DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, UH, QUESTIONS OR, UM, DIALOGUE YOU WANT TO INITIATE? UH, WELL, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          I VOTED NO TO BRING IT, UM, FORWARD AND SO I'M NOT GONNA VOTE OKAY. 
          FORWARD AGAIN. 
          SO I'M, THAT'S THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE FOLLOWING RIGHT PROTOCOLS. 
          I LOVE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND, UM, A QUESTION, NO, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A STATEMENT TO MAKE ABOUT SIX. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I I STILL A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK 
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IN FEBRUARY WE COULDN'T ALL COME TOGETHER ON THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S FAKE GRASS, IT POISONS KIDS IN THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COME TOGETHER ON. 
          AND SO I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE FUNDING FOR THIS. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          DO WE HAVE CO WE HAVE A COUPLE EMAILS, DON'T WE? WE DID RECEIVE TWO EMAILS ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND ARE WE READY TO OPEN? WE ARE. 
          UM, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CARDS YET, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, NOW IS THE MOMENT TO BRING YOUR CARD TO MY DESK. 
          SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION, UM, AND SEEING NO ONE, UH, STEPPING FORWARD AND HAVING NO CARDS. 
          WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS FOR THE EVENING, AND I BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND I THINK I'M GONNA BE ASKING FOR A MOTION FIRST FOR, UM, ITEMS TWO TO NINE, UH, EXCLUDING SIX, WHICH WILL BE HANDLED SEPARATELY. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS A, A MOTION BY, UM, CATER THOMPSON WITH A SECOND FROM VICE MAYOR. 
          NOW, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          TO CARLY? YES. 
          NOW, YES. 
          QUINT, YES. 
          TRIPS? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW, UM, 
          [6.
 Resolution Authorizing the Purchase of Synthetic Turf Materials from FieldTurf USA, Inc., through the California Multiple Award Schedules (CMAS) Program for the Lucchesi Turf Field Replacement Project (C14502008), in the Amount of $722,848]
BRINGING IT BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR SIX? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CATER THOMPSON. 
          I'LL SECOND A SECOND FROM QUINT. 
          A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          GATOR THOMPSON? YES. 
          TO CARLY? NO. 
          NOW NO. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          SHRI? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY AND VICE MAYOR NOW VOTING. 
          NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND 
          [10.
 Introduction (First Reading) of an Ordinance and Adoption of an Urgency Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Petaluma to Amend Specified Provisions of Chapter 6.50 of the Petaluma Municipal Code Entitled “Mobilehome Park Space Rent Stabilization Program,” and to Maintain in Effect the Remainder of Chapter 6.50 of the Petaluma Municipal Code]
THAT BRINGS US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          IT MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, ITEM 10, WHICH IS, UM, INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE, AN ADOPTION OF AN URGENCY ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNCIL TO AMEND SPECIFIC PROVISIONS OF THE PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODES FOR MOBILE HOME PARK SPACE RENTAL STABILIZATION PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND TO MAINTAIN THE EFFECT OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT SAME SECTION. 
          AND FOR THIS, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO OUR, OUR ATTORNEY, ERIC DANLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE THE POWERPOINT READY? SO WE'VE GOT A FEW POWERPOINT SLIDES TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM, UM, WHICH CAITLIN IS KINDLY BRINGING UP. 
          AND, UM, I'M ERIC DANLEY, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          AND, UM, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING THIS ITEM TONIGHT. 
          SO THESE ARE, UM, WHAT AT THIS POINT, I THINK QUALIFIES THE LONG AWAITED, UM, LATEST UPDATES, SECOND ROUND OF UPDATES TO PETALUMA'S MOBILE HOME RENT STABILIZATION, UM, REGULATIONS. 
          UM, IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO THIS PROVIDES A, A KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE FEATURES OF THE UPDATES, UM, THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND ACTION TONIGHT. 
          UM, WHAT WILL THESE UPDATES DO? WELL, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THEY DO IS STREAMLINE, UM, ARBITRATIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT UNDER THE CITY'S REGULATIONS. 
          UM, THE MNOI OR MAINTENANCE OF NET OPERATING INCOME STANDARD, UM, IS ALREADY ONE, ONE OF THE WAYS BY WHICH A PARK OWNER CAN, UM, CAN PREVENT, UM, PRESENT, UM, EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED A INCREASE IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ALLOW WITHOUT AN ARBITRATION, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A REASONABLE RETURN ON THEIR, ON THEIR, UH, OPERATIONS. 
          SO THE, THE FACT THAT THAT'S, UM, THAT THAT IS, IS A METHOD FOR DOING THAT IS NOT NEW IN OUR REGULATIONS. 
          WHAT'S NEW IS IT'S NOW, UM, THE REQUIRED METHOD, THE SOLE METHOD. 
          UM, AND THE REASON THAT STREAMS STREAMLINES ARBITRATIONS IS IT PROVIDES FOR MORE PREDICTABLE RESULTS FOR BOTH PARK OWNERS AND RESIDENTS, UM, AND GREATLY SIMPLIFIES THE PROCEEDINGS. 
          THERE AREN'T, UM, MULTIPLE ARGUMENTS, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ARGUMENTS BEING OFFERED, DIFFERENT KINDS OF INFORMATION AND EXPERTS. 
          UM, THAT ALSO IS THE METHOD, UM, FOR, UM, 
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ASSESSING, UM, THE, THE, UM, ABILITY OF PARK OWNERS IN THE CITY TO, UM, REALIZE A REASONABLE RETURN ON THEIR OPERATIONS THAT HAS BEEN USED, UM, IN THE MOST RECENT ARBITRATIONS BY THE ARBITRATORS. 
          UM, THE STREAMLINING IN THE, UM, REGULATIONS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT COUNSEL ALSO INCLUDE TIME LIMITS, UM, TO PUT ON, UM, THE, THE ARBITRATION CASES. 
          UM, WE, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER, UM, SOME OTHER EXISTING REGULATIONS AND FOCUSED ON THE, UM, MARINA REGULATIONS AND EXPANDED THOSE TIME LIMITS A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT AGAIN, UM, SHORTER PRESENTATIONS, UM, THAT CAN RESULT IN CONCLUDING AN ARBITRATION IN A DAY INSTEAD OF IT STRETCHING OVER THREE DAYS, UM, GREATLY REDUCES THE COSTS OF RENT CONTROL ARBITRATIONS FOR BOTH, UM, PARK OWNERS AND RESIDENTS. 
          WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED CLARIFICATIONS. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS HAVE NOT PROVIDED FOR, UM, HAVE NOT PROVIDED AUTHORITY FOR ARBITRATORS TO GRANT ATTORNEY'S FEES AWARDS. 
          UM, BUT NOW THAT'S MADE EXPRESSLY CLEAR IN THE PROPOSED UPDATES. 
          UM, THE, UM, RECENT, RECENT, UM, WRIT PROCEEDINGS ON, ON, ON A PRIOR, UM, ON THE, ON A PRIOR YOUNGTOWN ARBITRATION, THE COURT AGREED THAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS DID NOT PROVIDE FOR SUCH AWARDS AND IN FACT, THAT THEY WOULD WORK IN INJUSTICE BECAUSE IT WOULD ADD COST TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND THAT THE GALLEN CASE IS NOT REALLY AUTHORITY, UM, FOR SUCH AWARDS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CASE WHERE THE CITY HAD ABUSED AND NOT COMPLIED WITH ITS OWN REGULATIONS RESULTING IN DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE REGULATIONS. 
          UM, ALSO WE'VE CLARIFIED SOME DEFINITIONS, UM, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE TO, TO IMPLEMENT THE FOCUS ON THE MNOI STANDARD. 
          UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME, SOME LOOPHOLES THAT ARE CLOSED THAT HAVE BEEN USED, UM, TO AVOID VACANCY CONTROL. 
          UM, AND, AND THE, THE FOCUS THERE HAS BEEN ON THE FACT THAT THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW, UM, TREATS, UM, 16 A NOTICE OF, UH, RESIDENT, UM, LEAVING THEIR TENANCY AS CREATING A LAW LAWFUL VACANCY, UM, WHICH UNDER THE CITY'S REGULATIONS HAS ALLOWED FOR RESETTING THE RENT. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD NO, NO LONGER BE THE CASE UNDER THESE REGULATIONS BECAUSE, UM, WHAT, WHAT SOME PARKS HAD DONE, IT'S JUST INCLUDE A 60 DAY NOTICE PROVISION IN THEIR LEASES, THUS PROVIDING FOR, UM, UH, LACK OF VACANCY CONTROL. 
          UM, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THOSE LEASES. 
          UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME ADDED ENFORCEMENT TOOLS, UM, AND REALLY SOME EFFICIENCY TOOLS WHEREBY, UM, THE CLERK OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE C THE CITY MANAGER UNDER OUR REGULATIONS, UM, IS ABLE TO REQUIRE PARKS, PROVIDE, UM, INFORMATION ANNUALLY THAT HELPS THE HOUSING TEAM ENSURE THAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ARE BEING COMPLIED WITH AND DOING THAT AND TO DO THAT EFFICIENTLY. 
          UM, AND A A NEWLY ADDED PROVISION, UH, WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S REGULATIONS CONSTITUTE UNLAWFUL BUSINESS PRACTICES UNDER THE BUSINESSES AND PROFESSIONS CODE AND PROVIDES THE REMEDIES IN THAT CODE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE OVERVIEW. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT ON THE MAINTENANCE OF NET OPERATING, UM, INCOME OR MNOI STANDARD. 
          UM, SO AS, AS AS PROPOSED, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE METHOD UNDER THE CITY'S REGULATIONS FOR, UM, ARBITRATORS AND ALSO PARK OWNERS AND RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO OPERATE IN A FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE WAY AND MAKE A REASONABLE RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE PARK. 
          AND, UM, AS IS THE CASE NOW, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE THAT THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE BASE YEAR OF RENT CONTROL AND THE CITY'S REGULATIONS, UM, WHICH WAS 1993, THE YEAR BEFORE THEY TOOK EFFECT. 
          UM, THESE UPDATES PROVIDE THAT THAT'S PRESUMED TO PROVIDE A FAIR RETURN, BUT PROVIDE ALSO A MECHANISM FOR, UM, FOR REBUTTING THAT IF THERE WERE EXCEPTIONAL FINANCIAL CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE 93 BASE YEAR, UM, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN ENOUGH, UM, INFORMATION PRESENTED IN PRIOR ARBITRATIONS THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT THERE WERE SUCH EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT NONETHELESS, THAT MECHANISM EXISTS IN THE REGULATIONS. 
          SO THE WAY, UM, THE FOCUS OF THE MNOI METHOD IS TO DETERMINE THE NET OPERATING INCOME, AND THAT 
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IS THE GROSS INCOME MINUS OPERATING EXPENSES. 
          UM, AND WHAT THE FAIR, UM, WITH THE MNOI FAIR RETURN FORMULA DOES IS IT LOOKS AT THE CURRENT YEARS NET OPERATING INCOME AND IT COMPARES IT TO THE, UM, NET OPERATING INCOME OF THAT PARK IN THE BASE YEAR BEFORE RENT CONTROL TOOK, TOOK EFFECT, AND THEN ADDS THE CPI INCREASE SINCE THE BASE YEAR, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE CURRENT, UM, NET OPERATING INCOME, UM, UM, UM, EQUALS THE, THE BASE YEAR OPERATING INCOME, TAKING INFLATION INTO ACCOUNT, TAKING INFLATION SINCE THE BASE OPERATING YEAR INTO ACCOUNT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S IN, IN THE DEFINITION, UM, PROVISIONS, UM, AND THE PROPOSED UPDATES, THEY'RE CLEAR, THEY NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT COUNTS, WHAT, WHAT COUNTS AS RENTAL, UM, INCOME, AND WHAT COUNTS AS OPERATING EXPENSES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEING, UM, PREPARED. 
          UM, AND INCOME INCLUDES THINGS LIKE SUBMETER, CHARGES PASS THROUGH UTILITIES, LAUNDRY SERVICES, UM, ET CETERA. 
          UM, OPERATING EXPENSES INCLUDES NORMAL OPERATIONS UNDER MAINTENANCE, UTILITIES, TAXES, AMORTIZED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, OWNER PERFORMED LABOR, BUT IT'S, IT'S SET AT A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE, UM, LEGAL FEES, UM, BUT NOT THOSE FROM ARBITRATIONS EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT THOSE ARE SUCCESSFUL AND ARE REASONABLE. 
          UM, AND THEN IT INC THE OPERATING EXPENSES DO NOT INCLUDE DEBT SERVICE, LOBBYING, COSTS, DEPRECIATION, PENALTIES, REBATES, EXPENSES ATTRIBUTED TO UNREASONABLE DELAYS ON MAINTENANCE AND EXPENSES PASSED THROUGH TO TENANTS 'CAUSE OTHER, THOSE ARE NOT REALLY EXPENSES, THOSE COSTS ARE RECOVERED. 
          UM, SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THOSE ARE ALL FEATURES OF THE UPDATES WE'VE, WE PREPARE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE MNOI WORKS. 
          SO IF IN, IN 1993, THE BASE YEAR, A PARK EARNED 300,000 IN GROSS INCOME AND AT 200,000 EXPENSES, UM, THEY, THAT WOULD RESULT IN A NET OPERATING INCOME OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          AND IF A PARK OWNER IN A, IN A CURRENT YEAR IS SEEKING A RENT INCREASE ABOVE WHAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ALLOW, UM, WITHOUT AN ARBITRATION, THE, UM, ARBITRATION WOULD LOOK AT APPLYING THE CUMULATIVE CPI INCREASE SINCE THE BASE YEAR, WHICH THE ACTUAL NUMBER SINCE THE BASE YEAR RIGHT NOW, BASED ON OUR REVIEW IS 142%. 
          UM, AND SO THAT ADJUSTED NOI WOULD BE $242,000. 
          AND, UM, AS LONG AS THE PARK WAS MAKING THAT MUCH OR MORE, IT WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT IT NEEDS AN ADJUSTED RENT INCREASE IN EXCESSIVE WHAT THE SEIZE REGULATIONS PROVIDE. 
          IF IT WEREN'T, IT WOULD HAVE SUCH AN ARGUMENT AND THE ARBITRATOR COULD RULE ACCORDINGLY ON THE RENT INCREASE. 
          IF I COULD HAVE THE LAST SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          SO THE, THE OTHER, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE, UM, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE LIMITS ON THE, THE HOW LONG THE ARBITRATION CASES TAKE. 
          UM, AND I, AS I SAID, LOOKING AT OTHER EXAMPLES THAT HAVE EXISTED FOR A WHILE AND HAVE OPERATED SUCCESSFULLY, WE'VE PROVIDED A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN THAT. 
          SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S AMPLE. 
          UM, ALSO NOTE, AS WE NOTE ON THIS SLIDE, THAT THE ARBITRATOR CAN ORDER SOME ADDITIONAL CO, UH, TIME BASED ON GOOD CAUSE TO MAKE SURE THE PARTIES, UM, DO PROCESS RIGHTS ARE RECOGNIZED. 
          UM, IT WAS ALREADY INTENDED IN THE CITY'S REGULATIONS, BUT THESE UPDATES MAKE IT EXPRESSLY CLEAR THAT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE ARBITRATION IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD FOR A GIVEN PARK. 
          UM, WE ALREADY ALREADY MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF THE, UM, 60 90 NOTICE AND VACANCY CONTROL. 
          UM, WHAT I DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY MENTION IS THAT LIKE THE MARINA REGULATIONS, WE LOOKED AT, UM, THESE PROPOSED UPDATES TREAT REDUCTION OF PARK SERVICES WITHOUT A REDUCTION IN RENT AS A RENT INCREASE TO BE FACTORED INTO THE, UH, NET OPERATING INCOME CALCULATION. 
          UM, I DID MENTION ABOUT THE ATTORNEY'S FEES ISSUE. 
          UM, THERE'S NO FEE AWARDS THAT ARE PERMITTED. 
          HOWEVER, UM, SOME PORTION OF REASONABLE ATTORNEY'S FEES IN, UM, ARBITRATION PETITIONS, BUT ONLY TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING, UH, RENT INCREASE AWARD MAY BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS AN OPERATING EXPENSE. 
          AND THE OTHER ATTORNEY'S FEES THAT CAN BE TREATED ARE TREATED AS OPERATING EXPENSES ARE THE NORMAL ONES YOU'D EXPECT, LIKE ATTORNEY REPRESENTATION IN UNLAWFUL DETAINER ACTIONS 
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OR OTHER, OTHER PARK, UM, BUSINESS REQUIRING, UM, AN ATTORNEY SERVICES I MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UM, EXPRESSLY NOTING THAT, UM, VIOLATIONS OF THE REGULATIONS CAN BE, UM, CAN BE ENFORCED AS AN UNFAIR BUSINESS PRACTICE UNDER THE BUSINESS IMPERFECTIONS CODE AND ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE CLERK TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH WILL GREATLY HELP OUR VERY SMALL BUT, UM, EFFECTIVE HOUSING STAFF IN ADMINISTERING THIS PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND I WANT TO END WITH SOME IMPORTANT TIMING CONSIDERATIONS OF THE COUNCIL'S ACTIONS TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S CURRENTLY A PENDING ARBITRATION, UM, SCHEDULED, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH. 
          AND, UM, THE COUNCIL KNOWS, UM, AND HAS DIRECTED US TO PROVIDE, AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO PROVIDE, UM, THESE UPDATED REGULATIONS SO THAT THEY WOULD BE IN EFFECT FOR PENDING AND FUTURE ARBITRATIONS BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A NEED FOR THEM IN THE PAST ARBITRATIONS, WHICH HAVE HAVE BEEN, UM, WHICH HAVE BEEN OCCURRING, UM, EVERY YEAR AND IN MULTIPLE PARKS. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE, HAVE, AND AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE, THE RESIDENTS TO DO THE SAME. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT WILL, UM, WILL ALLOW US TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT COMMITMENT. 
          UM, BUT TO DO SO, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ADOPT THE URGENCY ORDINANCE, WHICH MUST PASS BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL, UM, FOR THAT TO TAKE EFFECT. 
          AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE PROVIDED, UM, FOR THESE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THESE ORDINANCES TO HAVE RETROACTIVE EFFECT, UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THE CHANGES THEY MAKE ARE CLARIFYING, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG CHANGE TO LIMIT THE ARBITRATIONS TO MNOI, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ARBITRATORS HAVE APPLYING. 
          UM, THE DEFINITIONAL CLARIFICATIONS ARE, ARE, ARE ARGUABLY INTERPRETIVE. 
          UM, BUT IN TERMS OF TIMING, AGAIN, THE REGULAR ORDINANCE, UM, IF, IF INTRODUCED TONIGHT, UM, WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A SECOND READING UNTIL SEPTEMBER 8TH. 
          AND THAT MEANS IT WON'T HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL AUGUST. 
          UM, I'M TAR, I'M SORRY, OCTOBER 8TH, WHICH POTENTIALLY WOULD BE AFTER THE CURRENTLY PENDING ARBITRATION. 
          THERE'S STILL ARGUMENTS THAT ARBITRATORS SHOULD APPLY, UM, THESE REGULATIONS, BUT IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THEY MUST IF THE COUNCIL ADOPTS THE URGENCY ORDINANCE. 
          SO THAT CONCLUDES, UM, MY REMARKS INTRODUCING THIS ITEM. 
          UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          I, I JUST RIGHT THERE AT THE END. 
          YOU HAD A POINT THAT, UM, CAUGHT ME. 
          SO THE URGENCY ORDINANCES, SO IT TAKES EFFECT NOW OR THE OTHER ONE WITHOUT THE URGENCY, IT WOULD BE IN OCTOBER OR SOMETHING. 
          IT WOULD MORE OR LESS BE IN OCTOBER. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, AS, AS AS, UH, UM, AS A BACKUP 'CAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THESE CHANGES, UH, MANY OF WHICH ARE INTERPRETIVE FOR CLARIFYING IN NATURE, WE'VE INCLUDED LEGALLY REQUIRED LANGUAGE THAT YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THE ORDINANCES ABOUT THEM BEING INTENDED TO HAVE RETROACTIVE EFFECT. 
          BUT IT'S, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THERE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S SOME RISK, UM, WITH RESPECT TO AN ARBITRATOR APPLYING THESE, THESE UPDATES, UM, IN THE CURRENTLY PENDING ARBITRATION, IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT APPLY, DOES NOT ADOPT THE URGENCY ORDINANCE. 
          AND AS, AS A REMINDER UNDER OUR CHARTER, THAT REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING YOU SAY. 
          THE CERTAINTY COMES WITH DOING THE URGENCY AND THE URGENCY ONLY COMES IF IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          UH, SO, RIGHT. 
          UM, FOR UNDER OUR CHARTER, FOR AN URGENCY ORDINANCE TO TAKE EFFECT, IT NEEDS A UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          THE, THE, UM, THE REGULAR ORDINANCE DOES NOT NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE, BUT IT TAKES A SECOND READING AND THEN A 30 DAY PERIOD TO RUN BEFORE IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S THE TIMING ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE TIMING ISSUES. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY COUNSEL, UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? VICE MAYOR? UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, WAS THE STAKEHOLDERS A K THE PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED IN THIS ORDINANCE? DID, DID THEY, DID THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF? THEY HAVE ONE TONIGHT, SO, UM, PRIOR TO THIS, UM, 
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WELL, YES. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME FAIRLY STEADY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PARK OWNERS AND, UM, WE'VE HAD STEADY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES IN THE PARKS AND THESE UPDATES, UM, AD ADDRESS, UM, ADDRESS WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN TERMS OF IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTS AND IN TERMS OF THE FREQUENCY OF ARBITRATIONS AND THEIR DURATION AND THE POSITIONS TAKEN IN THOSE ARBITRATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEY ADDRESS, UM, LEASE PROVISIONS THAT SEEM INTENDED TO, UM, CIRCUMVENT THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY'S REGULATIONS. 
          SO, UM, THESE REGULATIONS HAVE VERY MUCH TO DO WITH THE PARK OWNERS AND, AND, AND THEIR MANAGEMENT OF THE PARKS, AT LEAST SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OWNERS OF THE PARKS. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE, I THINK THE COUNCIL RECEIVED, UM, COMMUNICATIONS FROM, FROM THE HAR THE HARMONY COMPANY AS RECENTLY AS TODAY. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          AND THERE'LL BE A SECOND, UM, HEARING ON THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE, ASSUMING IT GETS INTRODUCED TONIGHT. 
          AND THERE'LL BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES THEN, UM, FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PARK OWNERS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE THAT LETTER MENTIONS THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND THEY, THEY FEEL VICTIMIZED THEMSELVES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR US TO HEAR, BUT THE CITY OF WINDSOR, AND I BELIEVE ALSO SANTA ROSA JUST MET IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE PARK OWNERS, THE TENANTS AND THE CITY, TO, UM, DO NO RENT INCREASES FOR 10 YEARS. 
          SO NO ARBITRATIONS AND JUST A ONE TIME CATCH UP. 
          AND SO, UM, HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN AVOID ARBITRATIONS AND RENT INCREASES IN THE NEXT, I MEAN, 10 YEARS SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT FOR SOME OF THESE SENIORS, THAT'S THEIR LIFETIME . 
          SO, UM, I, I, UM, IN PRESENTING THIS ITEM TONIGHT, I REFERRED BRIEFLY TO, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING, UM, UPHOLDING AND STRENGTHENING THE CITY'S MOBILE HOME RENT SPACE STABILIZATION REGULATIONS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN GUIDING US, UH, AND STILL IS, UNLESS AND UNTIL THE COUNCIL CHANGES THAT DIRECTION, UM, I HAVE HEARD OF, UM, WE, WE HAVE SEEN OURSELVES PROPOSALS FROM PETALUMA PARK OWNERS TO, UM, ELIMINATE VACANCY CONTROL, UM, WHICH IS, AS, AS I'VE EXPLAINED, IS, UM, IS OVER TIME ELIMINATES RENT CONTROL. 
          UM, WE'VE SEEN OTHER PROPOSALS IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS YOU DESCRIBED AGREEMENTS TO, AND, AND SOME HAVE BEEN PRIVATELY AGREED UPON WITH, UM, IN PETALUMA IN SOME YEARS PAST, UM, TO PROVIDE FOR, UM, AGREED UPON RENT INCREASES IN LIEU OF ARBITRATIONS. 
          UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN OUR DIRECTION. 
          IF THE COUNCIL CHANGES OUR DIRECTION, THEN WE'LL OF COURSE FOLLOW THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT OUR, OUR FOCUS HAS, HAS BEEN ON, UM, ENSURING THAT THE CITY'S EXISTING REGULATIONS CONTINUE TO BE EFFECTIVE. 
          THEY HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING, UM, RECURRING UNSUCCESSFUL, BUT VERY COSTLY ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS, UM, AND, AND OTHER PRACTICES THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT, UM, IN PRETTY MUCH EACH COUNCIL MEETING OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, BETTER PART OF A YEAR. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT'S HOW I RESPOND TO THAT. 
          WE ARE IN TOUCH WITH, UM, OUR COLLEAGUES IN, UM, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UM, LIKE IN KATATA SANTA ROSA. 
          UM, AND, AND WE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE AT THE LATEST, UM, AT THE 
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LAST MEETING OF RESIDENTS THAT I ATTENDED. 
          UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNED WINDSOR RESIDENTS THERE, UM, VOICING SOME OF THE SIMILAR CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          SO AGAIN, IF IF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR US HAS CHANGED, THEN, THEN WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL OF COURSE BE IMPLEMENTING THAT, THAT, THAT DIRECTION. 
          GOOD. 
          CAN I JUST ADD? SURE. 
          SO TONIGHT'S AMENDMENTS ARE MITIGATION OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING. 
          AND WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TO ADDRESS THOSE LOOPHOLES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THESE AMENDMENTS DO IS CLOSE THOSE LOOPHOLES. 
          THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I AM WORRIED THE TONE OF MR. DAVIES' LETTER WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA RETALIATE AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, MY DISTRICT ONE HAS LITTLE WOODS AND THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE IT, AND I'M REALLY WORRIED FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND WE HAVE NO PROTECTION. 
          AND IF WE PUSH ON THIS AMENDMENTS AND THESE, THIS ORDINANCE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GONNA PUSH BACK. 
          THAT'S, I'M JUST WORRIED. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WE CAN PROMISE THE TENANTS THAT THEY, WE CAN PROTECT THEM. 
          WELL, WE, I JUST DESCRIBED THE PROTECTIONS THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THIS LEGISLATIVE ACTION, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY THE COUNCIL TO PROVIDE, AND WHICH THEY'VE COMMITTED TO HAVE US PROVIDE. 
          AND WE'RE PROVIDING, UM, WE HAVE SEEN RETALIATION. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A PENDING CLOSURE APPLICATION IN LITTLE WOODS. 
          WE HAVE VERY PROTECTIVE, UM, CLOSURE AND CONVERSION REGULATIONS IN PETALUMA. 
          I THINK THEIR, THERE ARE MODEL REGULATIONS AND, AND, UM, AS, AS THE RESIDENTS KNOW, WE ARE IN A PROCESS OF WORKING WITH, UM, RELOCATION IMPACT REPORT CONSULTANT TEAM THAT WE'VE RETAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS, UM, AND THE COST OF WHICH THE, UM, LITTLE WOODS OWNERS HAVE PROVIDED DEPOSIT TO COVER, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT REPORT BEING, UM, TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT, UM, IMPACTS OF A PARK CLOSURE, UM, ARE MITIGATED, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE IMPACTED RESIDENTS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THAT APP APPLICATION. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR REGULATIONS. 
          WE ARE KEEPING THE RESIDENTS INFORMED. 
          UM, AND OVER THE COURSE OF, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GUESSING A, SOMETHING LIKE A FOUR TO SIX MONTH PROCESS, UM, THAT INFORMATION WILL BE PREPARED. 
          SO THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTS ARE AND WHAT MITIGATIONS WOULD BE NECESSARY TO, TO PROTECT THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR INVESTMENT IN THEIR, IN THEIR HOUSING. 
          SO, UM, SO I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT I CAN ADD, I THINK, I THINK I HEAR YOU THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE THING ON THE ORDINANCE WE HAVE WHILE STILL, I MEAN, IT'S A COMMUNITY OR STATEWIDE CRISIS, AND SO OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING OTHER TRICKS AND WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO LISTENING TO OTHER TRICKS, BUT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, BULL WORK, OURS, OUR ORDINANCE UP, SO THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS THE BEST THING WE CAN HAVE. 
          THAT'S WHY AN AMENDMENT TONIGHT. 
          WELL, YES, AND, AND YOU KNOW, , WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM AFFECTED RESIDENTS TONIGHT AND, AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO GAUGE WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK IS. 
          UM, THESE AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE THE CITY'S REGULATIONS OPERATE AS INTENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE, THE REASON WHY THE RECENT, UM, AND ONGOING ARBITRATION PETITIONS HAVE NOT SUCCEEDED IN OBTAINING A HIGHER RENT INCREASE IS BECAUSE THOSE PETITIONS HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED TO THE SATISFACTION OF A NEUTRAL ARBITRATOR THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, RENT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE A REASONABLE RETURN. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE PARK OWNERS ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH A REASONABLE RETURN. 
          UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, UM, TO HAVE, UM, MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION, WE NEED PARK OWNERS 
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AND WE NEED RESIDENTS WHO ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN THE HOMES THEY OWN, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ENTER LAND LEASES AND RESIDE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. 
          BUT THOSE PARK OWNERS RELY ON THOSE RESIDENTS INVESTMENTS IN THEIR HOMES JUST AS MUCH AS THE RESIDENTS RELY ON THOSE PARKS IN WHICH TO PLACE THOSE HOMES. 
          AND THE COURTS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT THAT UNIQUENESS OF MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM APARTMENT TENANCY, UM, IS THAT THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS HAVE SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT INVESTING IN AND, AND OWNING THEIR HOMES. 
          AND THAT IS WHY THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW EXISTS. 
          THAT IS WHY CONVERSION REGULATIONS LIKE OURS EXIST. 
          THAT IS WHY OUR LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE MORE PROTECTIVE THAN THE STATE, UM, REGULATIONS EXIST IS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, SIGNIFICANCE OF THE MOBILE HOME OWNERS INVESTMENT IN THEIR HOMES AND THE VULNERABILITY THEY HAVE, BECAUSE THEY NEED A PLACE FOR THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE HOMES TO BE. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE PRESENTING TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ITS DIRECTION. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR MO HOME, UM, UM, COMMUNITIES, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ASSESS THAT FOR YOURSELVES WHEN GOOD EXPLANATION WE HEAR FROM THEM. 
          GOOD EXPLANATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMPS, I'VE GOT TWO AREAS OF QUESTIONS FOR JUST GET CLARIFICATION AND THEN ANOTHER AREA, UM, MORE OF A MORE TOWARD COMMENT. 
          UM, SO DO I WANNA DO ALL THREE, DO ONE AT A TIME? YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SAY SAVE THE COMMENT . 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          JUST, JUST CHECKING. 
          UM, ANYWAYS, SO ON THE, UM, THE, THE TWO AREAS OF, OF I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON, UM, IS MNOI, UM, AND THEN VACANCY RULES, UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS I THINK I, I PUT THOSE IN AN EMAIL TO YOU. 
          I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE ANSWERS I WAS LOOKING FOR, UM, IN THE, IN THE REPORT BACK. 
          SO, UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY, PLEASE, FOR MNOI BEING, WE'RE GOING BACK TO 1993 AND THE CALCULATIONS SEEM TO BE STACKING UP SINCE THEN. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE MATH OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT YOU JUST PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE, BUT DID WE DO AN ACTUAL CASE STUDY, UM, APPLYING IT TO THE ARBITRATIONS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN HAPPENED? WHERE ARE THE ACTUAL RENTS GIVEN THESE, THIS NEW CALCULATION SYSTEM, ARE THE ACTUAL RENTS GOING UP, DOWN, STAYING THE SAME? UM, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL OUTCOME? UH, DO WE DO CASE STUDIES ON THIS GIVEN THE ARBITRATIONS RIGHT NOW? AND HOW THAT CHANGES THE CALCULATIONS? SO I, THE, I I KIND OF ANSWERED THAT ALREADY IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, THE MOST RECENT ARBITRATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, LIKE, LET'S SEE, IT'S, UH, I MUST FOR THE CALCULATION FROM TIME, DOES, DOES IT GET RECALCULATED SO THAT THE RENTS MAY GO DOWN? THEY MAY GO UP GIVEN WHAT THEY ARE NOW GIVEN THE CALCULATIONS. 
          ARE WE SAYING RECALCULATE ALL THE RENTS, THE, THE CALCULATIONS WON'T RESULT IN RENTS GOING DOWN? SO, UM, THE WAY, THE WAY THE REGULATIONS WORK, UM, THE WAY THEY HAVE WORKED AND THE WAY THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK IF, IF THE COUNCIL, UM, ADOPTS THIS LEGISLATION TONIGHT IS, UM, UH, PARK OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO RAISE RENTS WITHOUT AN ARBITRATION, UM, UP TO THE MAXIMUM CPI ADJUSTMENTS, UM, NOTED IN THE CITY'S REGULATIONS CURRENTLY, THOSE ARE, UM, UH, 4% OR 70% OF CPI WHICHEVER'S LESS. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, LIKE A NUMBER OF OUR NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS. 
          SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN, UM, WHEN INFLATION WAS SPIKING, OUR COUNCIL TOOK ACTION TO, UM, REDUCE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED, WHICH, UM, ALLOWED FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF CPI. 
          UM, SO THAT'S BEEN, AND WOULD STILL BE A FEATURE OF A REGULATIONS. 
          UM, HOWEVER, PARK OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO A REASONABLE RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT, UM, UNDER THE LAW. 
          AND, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A MECHANISM SO THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS WHEN, WHEN THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE, AND THEY MAY BE ENTITLED TO A GREATER, UM, GREATER INCREASE. 
          AND SO, UM, THE, THE, OUR REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN PRETTY OPEN, UM, AND PRO REALLY NOT EVEN BEEN LIMITED IN HOW A PARK OWNER COULD JUSTIFY, UM, ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY, UM, BEFORE 
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AN ARBITRATOR AN INCREASE IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE SEIZE REGULATIONS ALLOW WITHOUT AN ARBITRATION. 
          UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS LED TO, UM, VERY LENGTHY AND COSTLY ARBITRATIONS WITH LOTS OF EXPERT TESTIMONY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PARK OWNERS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT THEY FEEL THEY SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO. 
          OKAY. 
          ERIC, I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT SURE UNDERSTANDING MY QUESTION OR WHAT I'M ASKING FOR ON MNOI, YOU GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF A HUNDRED K TO START AND 243 K NOW MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE PARK, OR IS EVERY PARK DIFFERENT? AND, UH, IF NO, THE CPI IS THE SAME STUDY EVERY PARK, THE CPI IS THE SAME ACROSS THE PARKS. 
          AND WHAT I, I WAS GETTING TO AND NOT C-P-I-M-N-O-I, YOU GAVE US TWO NUMBERS. 
          OH, A HUNDRED TWO FORTY THREE. 
          SO WHAT THE PARKS, AND WAS THOSE FOR EVERY SINGLE PARK? OR IS THAT JUST FOR A, A THEORETICAL NUMBER? SO THE PARKS WILL EACH HAVE A BASE YEAR OPERATING INCOME, CORRECT. 
          FROM THE 93. 
          DID WE GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PARK AND ASK WHAT WOULD BE THE MNOI TODAY BASED ON 1993? NO. 
          AND ALL THE NUMBERS NO, WE DIDN'T, BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING TO READY TO TELL YOU IS, UM, EACH OF THE MOST RECENT ARBITRA IN EACH OF THE MOST RECENT ARBITRATIONS, THE ARBITRATOR HAS APPLIED THE MNOI METHOD FROM AMONGST THE OTHER ONES THAT THE, THE AR THE, UM, PARK OWNERS TRIED TO USE TO JUSTIFY A GREATER INCREASE. 
          UM, AND IN EACH OF THOSE, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE FIRST YOUNGSTOWN ONE, WHERE THERE WAS A SLIGHT RENT INCREASE THAT WAS AWARDED IN EACH OF THOSE, THE PARK, UM, OR THE ARBITRATOR DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE SATISFYING THE MNOI STANDARD AND WERE NOT ENTITLED TO A RENT INCREASE IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS WOULD PERMIT WITH AN HONOR ARBITRATION. 
          SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT AS TO THOSE PARKS, THEIR, THEY'RE DOING FINE IN TERMS OF REASONABLE RETURN USING THE MNOI STANDARD, WE HAVE NOT GONE OUT, UM, AND STUDIED WHAT IT WOULD BE UNDER THE PARKS THAT HAVE NOT BROUGHT, UM, RENT ARBITRATION PETITIONS. 
          BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN THE CASE, EVEN IF THE COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE THESE UPDATES, THAT THOSE OTHER PARKS TOO COULD USE THE M AND OI METHOD TO SEEK AN INCREASE BEYOND WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ALLOW. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A WELL ACCEPTED, PROBABLY THE BEST ACCEPTED METHOD FOR, UM, UNDER A RENT CONTROL SYSTEM FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE PARK OWNERS ARE, ARE RECEIVING THE REASONABLE RETURN TO WHICH THEY'RE ENTITLED. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE, THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THEY'RE ALREADY USING THE MNOI NOW IN THE ARBITRATIONS. 
          IT'S ALREADY BEEN USED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A REAL CHANGE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE ANSWER I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          YES. 
          I, I MENTIONED YES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN PLACE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE REPORTS STATING MNI HAS BEEN USED AND HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL TO THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S OKAY, NICK, THAT'S AS I MENTIONED IN MY, MY INITIAL MARKS. 
          LET, LET'S GET TO THE SECOND QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SECOND QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE VACANCY RULES, AGAIN, IT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN WHICH SITUATIONS CAN THE PARK OWNERS, UM, RAISE, UH, OR CHANGE IT. 
          AND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, THERE'S HOMEOWNERS, THERE'S RENTERS USING THE HOMEOWNERS, THERE'S THE, UM, THE PARK OWNERS OWNING THE, THE ACTUAL BUILDING ALREADY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SALES THAT HAPPENING WITH REBUILDS WHERE THE ACTUAL PARK WILL BUY THE, THE USED THING, SOMEONE VACATES OR SELLS IT, AND THE PARK OWNERS BUY IT, AND THEN THEY, UH, PUT A NEW ONE ON, THEY REMODEL, THEY REBUILD, AND THEY'RE DOING IN ALL THESE SITUATIONS, UM, IS IT VERY STRICT AS THIS ONLY ONE CASE WHERE THEY CAN CHANGE IT AND THEN ALL THE OTHER CASES YOU HAVE TO GO? NO. 
          SO WHICH CASES DOES IT APPLY WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A LAWFUL VACANCY IS DEFINED IN THE, UM, MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW, UM, WHICH TENDS TO BE IN THE CASE OF AN EVICTION FOR MISUSE OF THE, OF THE SPACE, NON-COMPLIANCE AT THE LEASE TERMS, ABANDONMENT OF THE SPACE, ET CETERA. 
          WHEN THE LAWFUL VACANCY OCCURS AS DEFINED IN THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW THAT, UM, THAT THERE IS NOT VACANCY CONTROL IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          THE REASON THAT WE, UM, PREPARED AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE THE 60 DAY NOTICE NOT RESULT IN A LAWFUL VACANCY IS THAT WAS BEING WRITTEN INTO LEASES SO THAT THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE A LAWFUL VACANCY, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY, UM, AT LEAST IN THE PARKS THAT WERE DOING THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD ELIMINATE VACANCY CONTROL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M, I'M CHARLES TRYING TO GET THE THE LANGUAGE CORRECT HERE. 
          SO IF IT'S A VACANCY WHERE SOMEONE DID NOT MAKE PAYMENTS, THEN 
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UH, THE RULES APPLY AND THEY CAN'T CHANGE THE RENTS? NO, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT OPPOSITE. 
          IT'S OPPOSITE OF THAT OPPOSITE. 
          SO IF THERE'S A LAWFUL VACANCY, IF LAWFUL VACANCY WHERE THE FOLKS VACATE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY THEN, OR ABANDON OR, OR THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE, THERE'S A PRETTY LONG LIST IN THE MOBILE RESIDENCY LAW, AND THAT WAS ALWAYS THE CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY THING WE, WE ADJUSTED WAS THAT 60 DAY NOTICE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          SO AS LONG AS IT'S, UM, BEING LEGALLY VACATED, WHEREAS THE FOLKS ARE, ARE NON-PAYING AND LEAVE, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN, UH, RAISE, RESET THE BASEMENT, RESET EVERYTHING. 
          YES. 
          BUT NOT IN THE CASE OF A RESALE, A REMODEL, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          THE KEY IS, AND AND THE, OUR REGULATIONS WERE NOT AMBIGUOUS. 
          THEY'RE NOT AMBIGUOUS IF I'M TRYING TO, IS THE PARK OWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY, SO WHEN, IF THEY COULD BE IN THE CA IN THE CASE OF A LAWFUL VACANCY, THEY CAN RESET THE BASE RENT, THEY COULD A LAWFUL VACANCY UNDER THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW ALLOWS RESETTING THE, THE, THE, THE RENT FOR THAT UNIT. 
          AND IT'S, AND THE TYPICAL CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW ARE, ARE, ARE EVICTIONS, UM, ABANDONMENTS THAT KIND OF A QUOTE UNQUOTE LAWFUL VACANCY IS DEFINED IN THE M RL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK IT FROM A PARK OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO A PARK OWNER SAID, OKAY, UM, IT'S UP FOR SALE. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND BUY IT. 
          I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PUT A WHOLE NEW UNIT ON IT AND NOW I CAN CHARGE WHATEVER I WANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FOR IT. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          IN THE CASE OF THE EVICTION, YEAH. 
          NOT AN EVICTION. 
          IT'S SOLD THE PARK OWNER BUYS THE PROPERTY. 
          OH, BUYS, BUYS THE UNIT, DECIDES TO TEAR IT DOWN, PUT ON A WHOLE NEW UNIT. 
          CAN THEY AT THAT POINT, CHARGE WHATEVER THEY WANT? UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'D HAVE TO, IT, IT, THE, IN OUR REGULATIONS, IT REQUIRES A LAWFUL VACANCY AS DEFINED IN THE MRL. 
          SO WE, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE THE PARK OWNERS A, UM, THE ABILITY TO SAY THAT'S 'CAUSE ARGUING WE CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY. 
          WE CAN'T BE ANY MONEY PARK OWNERS CAN MAKE, WELL, WE HAVE THE ARBITRATION PROCESS. 
          SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, TO GO BACK TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE THE ARBITRATION PRO, FIRST OF ALL, OUR REGULATIONS HAVE PROVIDED, AND WE'D STILL PROVIDE FOR AUTOMATIC INCREASES EVERY YEAR WITHOUT AN ARBITRATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE RENT ARBITRATION PROCESS IS DESIGNED SO THAT A PARK, UM, OWNER CAN PETITION FOR A GREATER RENT INCREASE THAN THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE A REASONABLE RETURN WITH JUST THE AUTOMATIC RENT INCREASE. 
          AND AS LONG AS THE ARBITRATION IS CORRECTLY DECIDED BASED ON THE, IN THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, AND IF THE ARBITRATOR DETERMINES THAT, IN FACT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE PETITION BY THE, UH, PARK OWNER, THEY ARE MAKING A REASONABLE RETURN, THEN IS JUST AN ISSUE OF THEM NOT MAKING AS MUCH OF A RETURN AS THEY WANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A A A POINT HERE, WHICH, WHICH I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS, IS THAT PARK OWNERS CAN MAKE MONEY IN THOSE CASES WHERE IT'S, IT'S SOLD, REMODELED BY THE PARK OWNERS. 
          THEY, THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY WHEN THEY DO THESE THINGS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          THIS PROCESS IS DIFFERENT. 
          SO THEY, THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY. 
          I'M NOT AGREEING WITH, BECAUSE THEY CAN, WELL, THEY CAN MAKE MONEY EVEN EVEN SUBJECT TO RENT CONTROL BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPLAINING THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT IS YES THEY CAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO STOP ARGUING WITH US THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY. 
          THEY CAN. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          SO ON THAT, UM, AND THEN JUST, UH, AND I'LL LEAVE IT ON, UH, OKAY. 
          I'LL PUT IT INTO QUESTION. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT THEY SENT US AN EMAIL, BASICALLY EXTREMELY HARDBALL EMAIL, THEY'VE, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEY SAID THEY CAN GET MORE. 
          THEY SAID FROM ALL THE, WE ARE NOW THE FOCAL POINT OF THE WHOLE NATION FOR ALL THIS PROCESS, AND THEY'RE GONNA PLAY HARDBALL LEGALLY WITH US. 
          ARE WE PREPARED? ARE YOU PREPARED TO PLAY HARDBALL BACK? YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT ? YES. 
          I WAS KIDDING A GIVEN. 
          IF WE'RE SAYING, WELL, DON'T THINK THIS IS, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR THIS READY TO GO. 
          I THINK THIS'S BEEN SOFTBALL SO FAR. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, BUT I'M, I'M ACTUALLY BEING SERIOUS. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION IS, YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER, LOOKING AT YOUR PEERS AND ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T THESE THESE POLICY CHOICES, BUT LET THE QUESTION'S BEEN ASKED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, AND I THINK TONIGHT'S URGENCY VOTE, IT WILL, WILL DICTATE THAT, THAT ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND I, AND RE RECOGNIZING THAT I DON'T MAKE THE POLICY CHOICES, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE PARK OWNERS SEEM TO THINK THAT I DO, UM, REPHRASING THE QUESTION. 
          I WILL SAY, WHAT I'M PREPARED TO DO IS FOLLOW THIS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING. 
          AND WHILE I SERVE IN THIS SEAT, THAT'S WHAT I'LL CONTINUE TO DO. 
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IF THAT DIRECTION CHANGES, THEN I'LL HAVE A DUTY TO IMPLEMENT THAT DIRECTION. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T, IT'S NOT MY DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          WELL THINK SO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, IT WAS, 'CAUSE UH, WE MAY BE THE, UM, THE LEADERS, BUT WE, THIS IS THE SOLDIER. 
           IS THE SOLDIER READY TO GO OUT THERE AND OKAY. 
          AND TO BATTLE. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, A MOBILE HOME PARK OWNER CAN RAISE RENTS ONE TIME A YEAR. 
          AND IF THEY, AND, AND, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO RAISE THAT UP TO, UM, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND IF THEY WANT TO GO PAST THAT, THEY CAN, UM, FILE A GRIEVANCE OR AN AR SORRY, AN ARBITRATION. 
          UM, SO IT CAN GO TO ARBITRATION. 
          AND IF THEY LOSE THAT ARBITRATION, CAN THEY STILL ASK, I MEAN, UNDER TODAY'S, UM, UM, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN TODAY, ARE THEY ABLE TO SEEK ATTORNEY'S FEES IN THAT ARBITRATION FROM THE TENANTS? SO OUR REGULATIONS HAVE NEVER AUTHORIZED AN ATTORNEY'S FEE AWARD. 
          UM, ATTORNEY'S FEES HAVE BEEN SOUGHT UNDER, UNDER THE GALL CASE, BUT IT'S DISTINGUISHABLE BECAUSE IT REALLY INVOLVED DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS. 
          AND THE REASON WHY THE COURT AWARDED ATTORNEY'S FEES AND THE WHY COURTS AWARDED ATTORNEY'S FEES IN CIVIL RIGHTS CASES IS TO PUNISH THE GOVERNMENT FOR VIOLATING CIVIL RIGHTS. 
          SO AS, UM, JUDGE ENGLISH GOT RIGHT AWAY IN THE, IN THE RECENT, UM, WRIT ON THE ARBITRATION RESULTS FROM, FROM A PRIOR YOUNGSTOWN ARBITRATION, UM, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO PENALIZE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS FOR DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT IN ANY WAY THAT IT, IT, THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ONLY MAKE SENSE WHEN THERE ACTUALLY ARE DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THEIR OWN REGULATIONS. 
          SO OUR REGULATIONS TODAY, AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW, BEFORE CONSIDERING THESE UPDATES DO NOT PROVIDE FOR, UM, UM, ATTORNEY'S FEES, AWARDS, AND ARBITRATIONS, AND THE THESE UPDATES WOULD MAKE IT CRYSTAL AND EXPLICITLY CLEAR. 
          THEY SAY THE ARBITRATOR DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AWARD AND THEY MAY NOT AWARD ATTORNEY'S FEES. 
          THE WAY THESE UPDATED REGULATIONS WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ATTORNEY'S FEES WOULD BE IF A PARK OWNER SUCCESSFULLY OBTAINED A RENT INCREASE IN, IN, IN EXCESS OF LETTER REGULATIONS WILL OTHERWISE ALLOW. 
          UM, AND ONLY TO THAT EXTENT, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TREAT AS AN OPERATING EXPENSE, THOSE ATTORNEY'S FEES. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I I GOT YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          STOP. 
          I'LL STOP. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO IN ARBITRATION, IF THE MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS, UH, IF, IF THE TENANTS PREVAIL MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS DON'T WIN IN ARBITRATION, THREE MONTHS LATER, FOUR MONTHS LATER, FIVE MONTHS LATER, THEY CAN FILE ANOTHER ARBITRATION? NO. 
          UM, IT, IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED UNDER OUR REGULATIONS THAT THERE, THERE IS A ONE ROUND ANNUALLY OF POTENTIAL RENT INCREASES AND ONE ROUND ANNUALLY OF POTENTIAL, UM, PETITIONS. 
          AND IN THE PAST, THE COST OF THAT AND THE ADEQUACY OF FRANKLY, OF OUR, UM, RENT INCREASES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHOUT ARBITRATIONS HAVE PROVIDED FOR A STABLE SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WITH THESE REPEATED ARBITRATIONS, THESE, WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE IN THE UPDATES, UM, AND EXPRESS PROHIBITION AGAINST ARBITRATIONS BEING CONDUCTED MORE THAN ONCE IN A YEAR FOR A GIVEN PART. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          SO MY QUESTION WAS, I THOUGHT, UM, PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT OUR, UM, OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEING, ARE HAVING TO FACE MULTIPLE ARBITRATIONS IN A YEAR. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT DOES HAPPEN. 
          CAN YOU WELL, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ONES NOTICED IN A YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, UM, THERE'S, UM, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S BACK TO BACK, UM, PENDING ARBITRATIONS FOR THE LITTLE WOODS PARK. 
          UM, 
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BUT, BUT THE, UH, THE, THE UPDATE, UH, SEEKS TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE AND MAKE IT SO THAT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. 
          IT'S, SO I WOULD'VE MAINTAIN, I, I WILL MAINTAIN, I WOULD MAINTAIN, EVEN IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T TAKE THIS ACTION TONIGHT, THAT THE REGULATIONS ALREADY DON'T ALLOW FOR THERE TO BE MORE THAN ONE, UM, GRANT OF AN, OF AN INCREASED RENT, UM, IN A SINGLE YEAR. 
          SO, SO IF, IF ONE OF THOSE GETS APPROVED, I THINK THE ARBITRATOR WILL BE PRECLUDED FROM GRANTING APPROVAL IN THE SECOND ONE. 
          BUT THESE REGULATIONS WOULD MAKE THAT EXPRESSLY CLEAR, SO IT CLARIFIES THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY QUESTIONS? YES. 
          UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU TAKING CARE OF THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY OF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOMES, UM, OR YOUR LIVES CHANGE IN, IN THAT SORT OF A WAY BECAUSE EACH, EACH ONE OF YOU IS A PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THESE DECISIONS TONIGHT, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          WHAT'S THE LONG TERM FOR YOU GUYS? AND, AND THAT'S KEEPING YOU THERE IN YOUR PARKS. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I, I TRY TO LOOK AHEAD MYSELF AND I GREATLY WORRY ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WILL DO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEYOND HEAVY HANDED, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S A LOT. 
          AND SO WHAT WORRIES ME MOST IS THAT THIS, THIS IS SO BAD THAT IT FORCES MORE PARKS TO CLOSE. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S NOT FARFETCHED WHERE ONE'S ALREADY UNDER NOTICE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE LAND IN A CA CASE LIKE THIS? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT COULD THE PARK OWNERS DO? WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE CITY WANT TO DO WITH LAND LIKE THAT IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN? IS IT THAT, IS THAT A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES? IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE CLOSURE, THE CLOSURE PROCESS. 
          IT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE COULD DO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, RIGHT. 
          IT'S, SO WE HAVE HAVE CLOSURE, WE HAVE, UM, CLOSURE RULES. 
          SO, UM, THE PROPOSED UPDATES ARE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAVE BEEN THE PRACTICES AND SOME OF SOME OF OUR PARKS, UM, TO ENSURE THE REGULATIONS OPERATE IS INTENDED. 
          BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT VERY, UM, THEY'RE NOT MAJOR CHANGES IN TERMS OF HOW THE REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING AND HAVE BEEN INTENDED TO WORK. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD NOTE. 
          I MEAN, AM I, AS I MENTIONED, THE MNOI, UM, APPROACH HAS BEEN USED IN THE MOST RECENT ARBITRATIONS. 
          IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UM, PROBABLY THE FAVORED APPROACH AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN PERMITTED UNDER OUR REGULATIONS. 
          BUT HAVING IT BE THE REQUIRED APPROACH JUST MAKES IT MORE PRE THE RESULTS MORE PREDICTABLE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BEAR IN MIND. 
          ANOTHER, I, I GUESS IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS IF A PARK CLOSES? IS THAT THE QUESTION? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S, WE, WE SEE SO MUCH IN PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MANY LOW INCOME OR LESSER INCOME OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IN TOWN, LIKE, LIKE THE PARKS. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE VERY SPECIAL. 
          UM, BUT LAND IS SO VALUABLE. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE LAND IN, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT COURSE OF ACTION IF THESE PARKS WERE TO CLOSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU'D NEVER GET ANOTHER MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          THEY DON'T, NOBODY BUILDS THEM ANYMORE. 
          WELL, IT'S, IT'S, UM, I'M NOT SO SURE. 
          SO, UM, WELL, AND I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE IT DEVELOPED INTO ANYTHING ELSE IS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE. 
          SO I'M SAYING I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WE ALREADY HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT SAFEGUARDS REGARDING THAT ISSUE. 
          UM, THE CITY HAS IN EFFECT AND HAS HAD IN EFFECT, UM, UM, FOR A COUPLE DECADES, UM, UM, PARK CLOSURE AND CONVERSION REGULATIONS. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN RELATION TO THE PENDING CLOSURE APPLICATION. 
          UM, BEFORE THE COUNCIL CAN APPROVE A CLOSURE APPLICATION OF A PARK, IT'S GOTTA MAKE FINDINGS WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER THE IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTS WILL BE MITIGATED AS PART OF THE CLOSURE PLAN. 
          AND UNDER OUR REGULATIONS, IF THE COUNCIL CAN'T MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, IT CAN'T APPROVE THE CLOSURE. 
          THE OTHER THING I WILL NOTE IS THAT, UM, IN PETALUMA, ALL SEVEN OF THE MOBILE HOME PARKS, THE, THE FIVE SENIOR PARKS AND THE TWO ALL AGE PARKS ARE ON LAND, UM, THAT HAS A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION AND A ZONING DISTRICT 
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IN WHICH MOBILE HOME PARK USE IS THE ONLY PERMITTED USE. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY THAT LAND IS GONNA BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE IS IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES A, MAKES A DISCRETIONARY ACTION TO APPROVE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND A ZONING AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ANOTHER USE TO TAKE PLACE. 
          AND ANOTHER, UM, IMPORTANT FEATURE AND SAFEGUARD OF OUR CONVERSION EN CLOSURE REGULATIONS IS THAT WHEN A PARK OWNER SUBMITS A CLOSURE APPLICATION OR A CONVERSION APPLICATION, AND IT INTENDS TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR A DIFFERENT USE OF THAT LAND, IT MUST SO STATE. 
          AND I WILL NOTE THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE CURRENT LITTLE WOODS CLOSURE APPLICATION, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE REMINDED THE PARK OWNERS AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES ABOUT THAT REQUIREMENT, THEY HAVE NOTICED NO INTENDED CHANGE OF USE. 
          SO, UM, SO THE, THE COUNCIL HAS CONTROL OVER CHANGE OF USE OF THE CITY'S MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANKS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, MAYBE YOU EXPLAINED IT AND I DIDN'T CATCH THE WHOLE THING, BUT WHY, WHY ARE WE USING 1993 AS, AS THE BASE FOR IT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS THAT ARE OVER 30 YEARS OLD NOW. 
          WELL, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE THE CITY'S, UH, MOBILE HOME SPACE RENT STABILIZATION REGULATIONS TOOK EFFECT. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A CONTROL YEAR. 
          UM, AND THE PRESUMPTION IS, AND IT'S NOT JUST FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN IT ADOPTED THOSE, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALL THIS, ALL THE CITIES THAT HAVE THOSE REGULATIONS THAT, UM, THE RENTS THEN PRE RENT CONTROL AFFECT, UH, UH, OR REFLECT, UM, UM, SUSTAINABLE RENTS CHARGED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE A REASONABLE RETURN IN THE ABSENCE OF REGULATION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT'S THE CONTROL YEAR. 
          AND THE REASON WHY IT'S COMPARED AGAINST THE CUMULATIVE CPI SINCE THEN IS, IS TO PROVIDE, UM, UM, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE CURRENT RANS STILL REFLECT, UM, A REASONABLE RETURN, ASSUMING THAT THE RETURN IN 1993 BEFORE THERE WAS RENT CONTROL IN EFFECT, WAS REASONABLE. 
          AND THAT IS THE RELEVANCY OF THE, UM, PROCESS THAT'S ALSO IN THESE UPDATES THAT'S ACTUALLY NEW, UM, BY WHICH A, UM, A PARK OWNER CAN, CAN, CAN INTRODUCE FACTS, DEMONSTRATE THAT ACTUALLY THEY WEREN'T MAKING A REASONABLE RETURN BACK IN 1993 'CAUSE OF UNUSUAL EXPENSES OR UNUSUAL VACANCIES OR UNUSUAL, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER CONDITIONS. 
          UM, AND TO SEEK AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT BASIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE STRUCTURE WORKS THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT SEE THE PARKS MAKING MONEY HAND OVER FIST OFF OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE IT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S STILL THE BEWILDER, ME USING THAT AS A BASE AND, AND SOME OF THE VALUES THAT, THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I WANNA SAY TOO, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE PARKS CAN SUSTAIN THEMSELVES WITHOUT, WITHOUT INVOLVING THE OWNERS. 
          YOU KNOW, AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S, UM, I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS. 
          SO WHY, WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE THE OWNERS THERE? WHETHER, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE 'EM OR NOT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, THEY, THE BUSINESS HAS TO SURVIVE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. 
          WELL, THE, UM, THERE'S AN ISSUE OF TIME, UM, AND GETTING THESE REGULATIONS BEFORE THE COUNCIL. 
          WELL, BUT WE'VE, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AGENDIZED BACK IN, I THINK, FEBRUARY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN ON, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME. 
          IT IS. 
          AND IT, BEFORE THAT TOO, SPEND TIME. 
          IT'S BEEN TIME THAT HAS BEEN FILLED WITH A GREAT DEAL OF ACTIVITY. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS MODIFYING TO CLOSED LOOPHOLES ON OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHILE, UH, UM, THINGS WE'VE OBSERVED WHILE NOT TRULY TREATING THE WHOLE OF THE CRISIS. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS BIGGER THAN THIS ORDINANCE IS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ONE SENSE, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND A BUSINESS DECISION TO INVEST IN A, LIKE, IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA INVEST IN A BUSINESS AND THEY WERE CAPPED 
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AT COST OF LIVING, OR 70% OF COST OF LIVING, THAT'S NOT A REASON TO BUY UP THAT, THAT BUSINESS UNLESS YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD REVENUE UP TO BE ON THAT BUSINESS. 
          SO THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAT I THINK WILL HIT DOWN THE ROAD FROM OTHER PARKS AND FROM OTHER EXPERIENCES. 
          AND, UM, OUR ORDINANCES, WHILE GOOD AT THE TIME, I THINK TONIGHT'S PROPOSAL IS, SHALL WE MAKE THEM STRONGER SO THAT THE SUGGESTED LOOPHOLES NOTED FROM OWNERS, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT COMES TO TONIGHT. 
          I WOULD ADD, IF, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          IF I'M WRONG, THEN I'M HERE TO HEAR THAT FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          IF THE COUNCIL, A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO HAVE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, WE CAN HAVE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. 
          WE'LL, WELL, WE WERE, WE WERE IN QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'LL GET BACK TO DELIBERATION. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE PUBLIC OR WE SURE. 
          BUT I, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I, I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. 
          I BELIEVE THESE, THESE UPDATES DO THAT. 
          UM, AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNCIL HAS A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL HAS DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR US, THEN THAT'LL BE, WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS TO GET IN FRONT OF. 
          WE ALL AGREE, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS AND, AND, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE GOTTEN IN, UH, HIGHER RESOURCE USE. 
          SO NOW WE'RE HERE, AND NOW IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE A VOTE TONIGHT ON WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT ACTION OR NOT. 
          AND SO, UM, IF, IF THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS, UM, I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR LATER COMMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, WILL YOU TAKE IT AWAY? WE DID RECEIVE FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME, AND THOSE ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND ANYONE ELSE, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK. 
          SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          OH MY GOODNESS. 
          33 SPEAKERS AND, AND YOU'RE HERE AT 10 30 AT NIGHT. 
          H HOW, HOW DO I NOT SAY YOU GET YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? WELL, I, I THINK, PARDON? I SAID, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO I, SO I THINK WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS THAT YOU SELF-REGULATE AND, AND, UM, I, I, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY YOUR MESSAGE VERY SUCCINCTLY AND WE, WE'LL GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO SOMETIMES MORE WORDS AND MORE MINUTES LIKE ME NOW IS NOT, UM, IS NOT BENEFICIAL. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, JODY JOHNSON AND THEN MOVE TO DEBORAH PARK. 
          WHO IS CONCEDING TIME? OKAY, SO I'M GONNA DEVIATE, SO I'M GONNA ANSWER YOU. 
          UM, UM, COUNCILWOMAN NOW IS WINDSOR DID NOT ACCEPT, UM, COIN COMPROMISE. 
          ACTUALLY, THE RESIDENTS EVERGREEN CAME TO US. 
          WE HELPED THEM. 
          THEY HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL AND THEY'RE FIGHTING. 
          SO THAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          UM, COUNCIL, UM, MAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DECAR CLOSURE IS AB 27 82. 
          HUGE LAW IN THE STATE. 
          AND THEY CONSTANTLY, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, EVERYWHERE I GO, THEY BOUNCE AROUND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE, CLOSE, CLOSE, CLOSE, CLOSE, BUT IN FACT, THEY CAN'T CLOSE. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS OF WHICH YOU ALL WOULD VOTE ON, BUT THEY WANT STRONG ARM YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO HARM. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TO ADDRESS IS SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, WELL, THEY'RE PLAYING HARDBALL . 
          THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING HARDBALL FOR TWO YEARS. 
          THIS HAS BEEN EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK. 
          WHERE DO THEY GO FROM OTHER THAN CLOSURE ARBITRATION TRYING TO CHANGE PARK STATUS AND ABUSE. 
          THERE IS NOTHING MORE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FEAR FROM THERE. 
          SO, SORRY. 
          I'M SO PASSIONATE. 
          UM, WE SOUGHT TO ALWAYS LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. 
          WE ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF WEALTH, BUT WE ARE RESIDENTS OF VALUE, NOTABLY IN OUR CITY AND ALMOST EVERY CITY IN CALIFORNIA, A NEW BREED OF MOBIL PARK OWNER, THESE ARE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS. 
          IN YOUNGSTOWN CASE, THIS NEW OWNER BOUGHT FROM A MOM AND POP IN 2020 AND IMMEDIATELY SOUGHT ITS FIRST ARBITRATION AND LITTLE WOODS HARMONY BECAME THE NEWER FACE OF OWNERSHIP. 
          AND CAPRI HARMONY BOUGHT LAST YEAR IN A SECRET DEAL, AFTER COMPLAINING THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND THE CITY'S REVISIONS WERE TOO SEVERE. 
          THEY ARE SOPHISTICATED 
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INVESTORS, AND LIKE EVERY INVESTOR DO, THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE THEY WOULD SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUY A PARK. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY KNEW A LOT OF PROFIT WAS COMING THEIR WAY. 
          SINCE 2020, THIS NEW BREED HAS WEAPONIZED THE ARBITRATION PROCESS, THE POTENTIAL CLOSURE PROCESS, THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY PROCESS, THE 60 DAY TERMINATION OF TENANCY PROCESS, AND OF COURSE, REDUCTION OF SERVICES. 
          IN 2023, AFTER JUST THE FIRST READING OF THE REVISIONS TO THE RENT STABILIZATION STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, THEY ALL CAME, THEY ALL KNEW ABOUT ALL OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT HAD BEEN IN EFFECT. 
          THEY CAME AND THEY TRIED TO BULLY THEIR WAY INTO SUBMISSION. 
          FOR US. 
          FIRST, YOUNGSTOWN ATTEMPTED A RETALIATION TO CHANGE THE PARK FROM SENIOR PARK TO ALL AGE, NO PROPER SIX MONTH NOTICE. 
          NOTABLY, ALL SENIORS BOUGHT THEIR MOBILE HOME, HAD BEEN AGE VERIFIED, AND WERE TO LIVE IN PEACE AND QUIET. 
          THE LEASES THEY SIGNED WERE FOR A SENIOR PARK. 
          RESIDENTS BEGAN TO ASK THE CITY FOR PROTECTION, UH, UNDER A SENIOR PARK OVERLAY. 
          WE SAW IT AT THAT TIME, PROTECTIONS FOR ALL FIVE OF OUR SENIOR PARKS. 
          YOUNGSTOWN PARK OWNERS ANSWERED THAT WITH SENDING AUTO TEMPTS TO THE DOOR, UM, OF RESIDENTS TO STATE THEY WERE CLOSING THE PARK. 
          NO LEGAL NOTICE, THEY JUST CAME TO THE DOOR. 
          ONE PERSON WENT INTO CARDIAC ISSUES OVER THAT. 
          I'M CONCE. 
          YEAH, LESS THAN TWO WEEKS LATER, THEY FILED FOR THEIR SECOND RENT STABILIZATION FAIR MARKET INCREASE APPLICATION. 
          THEN THAT INCLUDED FIVE DAYS OF PLEADINGS, EXPERT WITNESSES AND PARK OWNERS TRYING OVER SEVEN DIFFERENT METHODS. 
          AND THEN IN THE 11TH HOUR, THEY ADDED AN EIGHTH. 
          WHAT DOES THIS DO TO SENIOR CITIZENS? IT CREATED THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF PLEADINGS HAVING TO BE REVIEW REVIEWED BY THE ATTORNEYS EXPERT WITNESS TESTIMONY THAT WENT ON FOR DAYS AND EXPLOITIVE LEGAL FEES. 
          AND AFTER THAT, THEY TRIED TO GET US AWARDED $500,000 IN LEGAL FEES TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY. 
          WE CAN'T EVEN COUNT HOW MANY PARK OWNERS OR INVESTORS THEY BROUGHT ON TO TESTIFY HAS EXPERT WITNESSES TO SAY WHAT THEY SHOULD GET IN FAIR MARKET VALUE NONSENSE. 
          THEY WEAPONIZED FURTHER THE ATTORNEY EXPENSE WITHOUT ANY BOUNDARIES. 
          THE ULTIMATE GOAL WITHOUT YOUR URGENCY REVISION WOULD BE EITHER SUBMISSION BY RESIDENCE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE LETTER THEY SENT YOU. 
          THEY WANT US TO SUBMIT. 
          THEY WANT YOU TO SUBMIT OR TO FORCE THE, THE RESIDENTS TO THE STREET. 
          TAKE LITTLE WOODS RESIDENTS JUST SHORTLY AFTER YOUNGSTOWN NOTICE OF ARBITRATION. 
          HERE COMES HARMONY WITH A WHOPPING ASK AND ARBITRATION OF $1,500 MORE A MONTH ON AN AVERAGE GROUND RUN OF 500. 
          THE SAME STRATEGY OCCURRED WITH LITTLE WOODS PARK OWNERS. 
          THROW EVERYTHING AT THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS. 
          IN FACT, TOWARDS THE END OF THE ARBITRATION, THEY TRAIN, THEY CHANGED THEIR TACTIC AND SAID, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE'LL, WE'LL ACCEPT 296. 
          THEY THREATENED CLOSURE SO MANY TIMES DURING ARBITRATION THAT THE ARBITRATOR ASKED NICK UBALDI THEIR OWNER, WHAT PART OF THE 1500 INCREASE THEY WERE ASKING FOR WOULD STOP THEM FROM CLOSING. 
          AND HE SAID, $1,500. 
          ONCE THAT DECISION CAME DOWN WITH A ZERO AWARD USING THE SAME TACTICS, THEY INITIATED A SECOND ARBITRATION USING A LOOPHOLE THAT THEY COULD PUT IN A FAIR MARKET INCREASE AT ANY TIME. 
          IF THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE AN AWARD TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THEY STARTED FENCING OFF PARKING TO RESIDENTS THAT HAD HAD IT SINCE THE BEGINNING. 
          THEY TOWED RESIDENTS CARS RIGHT OUT OF A PARKING SPOT THEY HAD BEEN ASSIGNED TO FOR YEARS. 
          THEN THEY ALSO SEND AUDIT ATTEMPTS AROUND TO A CLOSURE THREAT IN LITTLE WOODS WITHOUT A LEGAL APPLICATION. 
          RESIDENTS ARE THREATENED WITH LOSS OF HOME, LOSS OF PROPERTY, LOSS OF CAR LOSS OF A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, IN A SECRET DEAL, CAPRIS PURCHASED BY HARMONY AND THEY IMMEDIATELY GO AFTER AN ARBITRATION. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, DISCOVERY HAPPENS THAT THERE'S ONLY 12 UNDER THE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THOSE RESIDENTS NEVER WERE EVEN TOLD THE RENT STABILIZATION EXISTED. 
          THE ONLY REASON 12 WERE UNDER IT WAS BECAUSE ADVOCATES WENT AT THAT FIRST MEETING AND TOLD THEM TO NOT SIGN, AND THEIR LEASES LUCKILY HAD EXPIRED. 
          RESIDENTS WERE MADE TO PAY FOR LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND EX EX EXPERT WITNESSES JUST TO BE LED ON BY PARK OWNERS. 
          IN-HOUSE COUNSEL WHO SPENT HOURS TRYING TO GET THE ARBITRATOR TO RECUSE HERSELF. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, UPON FAILING THAT RECUSAL RESTED HIS CASE BEFORE PRESENTING ANY EVIDENCE. 
          ALL THE WHILE THE PARKING REDUCTION IS BEING FURTHER TAKEN FROM CAPRI HARMONY MADE CAPRI AN ENTIRE FIRE LANE. 
          NOW IN SEPTEMBER AND PROBABLY OCTOBER CAPRI AND LITTLE WOODS ARE HIT WITH TWO MORE ARBITRATIONS FOR LITTLE WOODS. 
          THIS IS THEIR THIRD IN TWO YEARS FOR CAPRI, IT'S THEIR SECOND IN ONE YEAR. 
          THIS IS ALL ABOUT PRESERVATION 
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OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A FULL ON ATTACK OF GREED, INTIMIDATION, AND OUTRIGHT THREATS. 
          THESE RESIDENTS OWN THEIR MOBILE HOMES. 
          THEY PAY WATER, TRASH, SEWER, PG AND E AND PROPERTY TAXES OR DMV REGISTRATION. 
          THE MORE THESE RESIDENTS ARE ATTACKED, THE MORE THE REDUCTION OF SERVICES HAPPENED. 
          LET'S BE CLEAR, UNDER MRL LAW, THE ONLY TWO WAYS PARK OWNERS CAN RAISE A GROUND RENT IS WHEN AN EVICTION OCCURS OR THEY TAKE, TAKE OUT AN OLD MOBILE HOME AND THEY PUT IN A NEW, HAVE THEY RAISED THE GROUND RENTS UNLAWFULLY ANYWAY. 
          OF COURSE THEY HAVE. 
          WHY? BECAUSE THERE REALLY WAS NO ENFORCEMENT AND NOT ENOUGH TEETH IN THE RSO, THE NEW BREED OF PARK OWNERS INVESTMENT GROUPS HAVE ONE STRATEGY IN MIND. 
          REMOVE RENT, STABILIZATION, REMOVE OVERLAYS, REMOVE PROTECTIONS, AND USE ANY LOOPHOLE THEY CAN FIND IN ANY ORDINANCE TO MANIPULATE THE ORDINANCES VERY OWN INTENT. 
          TONIGHT WE ASK FOR YOU TO SUPPORT THE VERY INTENT OF YOUR RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE. 
          WE NEED A METHOD RECOGNIZED BY LEGAL AND FINANCIAL EXPERTS TO DETERMINE IF ADEQUATE GROUND RENT INCREASES SUPPORT THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE OF FAIR RETURN. 
          STANDARD MNOI IS THAT WAY. 
          IT'S BEEN PROVEN IN EVERY ARBITRATION I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEVEN, YOU SAY IN YOUR ORDINANCE, PREVENTING THE IMPOSITION OF EXPLOITIVE, EXCESSIVE, AND UNREASONABLE MOBILE HOME PARK SPACE RENTS. 
          MNOI HAS BEEN PROVEN AND TAKEN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT, HAS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE IS A FAIR MARKET STANDARD THAT NEEDS TO BE OUR OWN EXPERT WITNESS. 
          DR. KENNETH BARR HAS TAKEN IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT. 
          MNOI IS WHAT YOU NEED TO VOTE ON. 
          WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE HAVE SPENT FIVE DAYS IN ARBITRATION WITH EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE JUST TO BLEED US DRY IN ATTORNEY'S FEES. 
          YOU SAY IN YOUR ORDINANCE, ASSISTING IN ALLEVIATING THE UNEQUAL BARGAINING POWER THAT EXISTS BETWEEN MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS AND MO MOBILE PARK OWNERS. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, IS THAT WE'RE FIGHTING BACK. 
          BUT IT'S NOT EASY. 
          WE NEED THE PROPOSED URGENCY. 
          REVISIONS OF LEGAL FEES, EXPERT WITNESSES, AND COSTS NOT BEING GRANTED HAS AN AWARD IN ANY ARBITRATION, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? WE CAN'T ASK FOR THEM. 
          WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ASK FOR THEM. 
          THANK YOU, JODY. 
          THAT'S, UM, THREE SPEAKER CARDS, AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JENNIFER BOYLE TO BE FOLLOWED BY KAY, POLAND. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          THE CITY'S ORIGINAL ORDINANCES INTENT WAS NEVER TO ALLOW THESE OUT OUTRAGEOUS, INFLATED ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS. 
          THIS WOULD GO AGAINST THE IMBALANCE THAT RESIDENTS THEMSELVES CANNOT CLAIM LEGAL FEES, EXPERT WITNESS FEES OR COSTS. 
          WE NEED THE PROPOSED URGENCY REVISION AS RE AS RELATES TO THE 60 DAY TERMINATION OF TENANCY FORM NEEDING TO BE SIGNED WHEN A RESIDENT CHOOSES TO SELL THEIR HOUSE. 
          HERE LIES A LOOPHOLE THAT COST A RESIDENT IN LITTLE WOODS, 800 MORE, $800 MORE IN GROUND RENT. 
          AFTER CLOSING ESCROW, ANGEL, A RESIDENT AT LITTLE WOODS, WANTED TO MOVE BACK INTO A LITTLE WOODS MOBILE PARK SO HIS CHILDREN COULD GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL THEY HAD ATTENDED. 
          EARLIER. 
          HE WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT A MOBILE HOME UP FOR SALE BY THE RESIDENT LIVING THERE, AND WITH THE HELP OF A REALTOR PUT IN AN OFFER FOR THIS MOBILE HOME. 
          THE MLS LISTING WAS A GROUND RENT OF $477. 
          HARMONY MANAGEMENT DECIDED TO HAVE HIM CLOSE ESCROW ON A FRIDAY, BUT NOT SIGN HIS LEASE UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. 
          WHEN HE WENT IN TO SIGN THE LEASE, THE GROUND RENT WAS CHANGED TO ALMOST $1,300. 
          WHEN HE TRIED TO GET OUT OF THIS, THEY TOLD HIM HE WAS TOO LATE BECAUSE HE HAD CLOSED ESCROW WHEN HIS NAME WAS USED IN PLEADINGS FOR THE FIRST LITTLE WOODS ARBITRATION HEARING AS A WILLING RESIDENT TO PAY A HIGHER AMOUNT OF GROUND RENT, HE TESTIFIED TO THE FACTS OF THIS MANIPULATED GROUND RED. 
          WHAT WAS THE LOOPHOLE? HARMONY 
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USED THE 60 DAY TERMINATION OF TENANT TENANCY FORM THAT THE SELLER HAD SIGNED. 
          CLEAR THAT HIS URGENCY ORDINANCE REVISION IS PARAMOUNT TO OTHER RESIDENTS, NOT FALLING PREY TO A MANIPULATIVE, MANIPULATED, EXCESSIVE GROUND RENT INCREASE AT TIME OF PURCHASE. 
          WE STAND TONIGHT HAVING GONE THROUGH OR ABOUT TO GO THROUGH SEVEN ARBITRATIONS, SIX OF THOSE RESULTING IN ZERO AWARDS AND ONE IN, UH, $118, UH, A MONTH AWARD. 
          13% OF THE ASK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KATE POLLEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTUS. 
          THAT'S WHERE I JUST, OKAY. 
          OKAY, I'M GONNA START THAT SENTENCE OVER. 
          WE STAND TONIGHT HAVING GONE THROUGH OR ABOUT TO GO THROUGH SEVEN ARBITRATIONS, SIX OF THOSE RESULTING IN ZERO AWARDS AND ONE $118 AWARD, WHICH IS 13% OF ASK THREE APPEALS, TWO LAWSUITS, ONE DISMISSED, AND THE OTHER DISMISSED IN PART SENIOR PARK GROVELY ZONING BEING IGNORED, WHICH FORCED A LAWSUIT FROM THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST YOUNGSTOWN AND FANNIE MAE. 
          IN TURN, A LAWSUIT AGAINST YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE PARK BY FANNIE MAE FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE SENIOR PARK. 
          GROVELY ZONING THREATENED CLOSURES, ENCLOSURE, RELOCATION REPORTS INITIATED AGAINST LITTLE WOODS, RESIDENTS PARKING, ALMOST NON-EXISTENT LITTLE WOODS, FULL FIRE LANES AND REMOVAL OF PARKING IN CAPRI. 
          THREATS OF TITLE 25 INTERFERENCE OF SALE AND ONE OF THE MOST PROLIFIC CASES OF MENTAL AND SENIOR ABUSE PARK OWNERS. 
          FALSE NARRATIVES ARE THAT WE BOUGHT THIS ON, BOUGHT THIS ON BECAUSE OF REVISIONS IN 2023. 
          IN FACT, THEY USED VACANCY CONTROL AS ONE FALSE NARRATIVE. 
          EVEN THOUGH VACANCY CONTROL AND PETALUMA HAS EXISTED SINCE 1994. 
          WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT IN 2023. 
          THE NEXT FALSE NARRATIVE WAS A REVISION TO 70% OF CPI VERSUS STRAIGHT CPI. 
          PARK OWNERS STILL HAD THEIR ANNUAL INCREASE OF 70% OF CPI AND COULD NOT TAKE THE 30%, WHICH THUS FAR IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN $4 TO $10 AN ADDRESS. 
          ANOTHER FALSE NARRATIVE WE WILL ADDRESS IS THAT THEY CANNOT MAKE FAIR MARKET PROFIT AND ARE FORCED TO CLOSE THERE. 
          THEY ARE SOPHISTICATED INVESTORS WHO DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE PURCHASE. 
          THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT THEY COULD PASS THROUGH A SALE TO INVESTORS IF THE PROFITS TO GAIN DIDN'T SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 
          WE HAVE HEARD SOME RUMBLINGS FROM A FEW NON-MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS THAT THE CITY IS USING TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THE LEGAL PURSUIT AGAINST PARK OWNERS. 
          LIKE MANY OF THE ORDINANCES CODES OVERLAYS ENACTED BY THE CITY. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF THEY DID NOT ENFORCE THE LAW? SETTLED ORDINANCES OR OVERLAY AND ALLOWED THE ELDER ABUSE, THE MANIPULATION OF PROTECTIONS THAT TOOK SO MUCH FROM FORESIGHT TO ENACT IN THE FIRST PLACE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THEIR PETALUMA RESIDENTS? SHOULD IT MATTER IF THE RESIDENT OWNED A REGULAR HOME OR A MOBILE HOME? IF SOMEONE CAME AFTER A HOMEOWNER OF ANY KIND AND CLEARLY WAS NOT ALLOWED FOLLOWING THE LAW OR USING EXPLOITIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES AGAINST THE VULNERABLE, IT WOULD BE A NO-BRAINER THAT THE CITY IS THE ENFORCER. 
          WE REMIND ALL, WE REMIND ALL THAT THE ONLY CITY LAWSUIT BROUGHT AGAINST THE PARK OWNERS WAS THE VIOLATIONS TO SENIOR CITIZENS OF A SENIOR PARK OVERLAY ZONING, WHERE VIOLATION UPON VIOLATION WERE NOTICED TO THE PARK OWNERS IN YOUNGSTOWN, OR EXCUSE ME, OWNERS IN YOUNGSTOWN. 
          ALL OF THE OTHER ARBITRATIONS, APPEALS LAWSUITS AGAINST THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY LAWSUITS IN FEDERAL COURT AGAINST THE CITY WERE ALL SOUGHT BY THE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUP OF PARK OWNERS. 
          THE CITY MERELY HAD TO DEFEND ITS ORDINANCE AND OVERLAY AND DEFEND THE RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF PETALUMA, REGARDLESS OF THE PARK RESIDENCE. 
          LEMME JUST FINISH SENTENCE,  BANK ACCOUNT BALANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          TIM PORT IS TO BE FOLLOWED BY ERIC VASQUEZ. 
          I MARKED IT. 
          START RIGHT THERE. 
          OUR RESIDENTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE INDEED VULNERABLE RESIDENTS HAVE ONLY STOOD UP FOR SETTLED ORDINANCES AND PROTECTIONS. 
          THEY ARE HUMBLE. 
          THE FACTS WE WERE, WE PRESENT TONIGHT, SCREAM POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT FOR ALL OF US. 
          IF ANY OF THIS IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. 
          THIS MEANS A SENIOR IN A WALKER OR A WHEELCHAIR. 
          IT MEANS A VULNERABLE FAMILY. 
          IT MEANS A VETERAN WHO SERVED THEIR COUNTRY WITH HONOR. 
          IT MEANS A SINGLE MOM. 
          IT MEANS MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN WHO OWN THEIR MOBILE HOME TRYING, BEING FORCED TO LIVE WITH THE THREAT OF HOMELESSNESS EVERY 
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DAY. 
          OUR CITY IS ABOUT KEEPING PEOPLE HOUSED. 
          THESE RESIDENTS ARE PAYING THEIR GROUND RENT EACH MONTH, AND THEY OWN THEIR HOME AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL AS TO WHETHER THEY GAIN, THEY GET TO KEEP IT OR MAINTAIN EVEN A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. 
          YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL OF PETALUMA HAVE BEEN COURAGEOUS, HAVE BEEN COURAGEOUS, AND HAVE LOOKED TO DEFEND, ENFORCE, AND STRENGTHEN THE VERY RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE THAT IS HAS EXISTED FOR MANY YEARS NOW. 
          THE NEWSPAPER HAS REFERRED TO US AS GROUND ZERO. 
          YOUTUBE. 
          OUR RESIDENTS, AND CERTAINLY YOU IN THE CITY, ARE FEELING THE ENDLESS NEEDLESS ATTACKS ON OUR AFFORDABLE MOBILE HOMES. 
          PRESERVATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A MUST, AS WELL AS PRESERVATION OF LIFE. 
          WITHOUT THIS REVISED RENT, STABILIZATION BEING VOTED ON AS AN URGENCY ORDINANCE, THE NEXT ARBITRATIONS WILL FURTHER FORCE UNREASONABLE, EXCESSIVE, AND EXPLOITIVE LEGAL FEES TO EVEN MAINTAIN A LEVEL LEGAL DEFENSE AGAINST EXCESSIVE INCREASES. 
          WE REMIND ALL THAT WE ARE YOUR GRANDPARENTS OR YOUR CHILDREN, OR YOUR BROTHERS OR SISTERS. 
          WE ARE NOT JUST SEEKING OUR OWN PROTECTION, BUT SEEKING A PATH FORWARD FOR ALL OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS TO LIVE EVEN A SINGLE DAY WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING FORCED ONTO THE STREET AND LOSS OF THE ONLY ASSETS WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR A HANDOUT. 
          WE HAVE JUST ASKED TO BE TREATED EQUALLY IN A FRAGILE WORLD. 
          PETALUMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR MEETING THIS MOMENT. 
          PETALUMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR ACTIONS SUPPORTING ALL RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF THEIR MEANS. 
          PETALUMA HAS BEEN, AND HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE BEACON OF HOPE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LONG FELT MARGINALIZED. 
          WE KNOW YOU SEE US, WE KNOW YOU VALUE US, AND WE KNOW THAT. 
          AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GRATEFUL BEYOND WORDS. 
          PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE URGENCY. 
          NO ORDINANCE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. 
          FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN 850 MOBILE HOMES, YOU MENTIONED HEAVY HANDEDNESS. 
          YOU NEED TO WATCH THE FIRST ARBITRATION AND LISTEN TO DANIEL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ERIC VASQUEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE GRABOWSKI. 
          A GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS ERIC VASQUEZ, BORN AND RAISED ON PAMA EAST SIDE. 
          MOST OF YOU KNOW ME FOR THE VARIOUS HATS THAT I WEAR IN THE CITY AND ACROSS SON COUNTY, BUT TONIGHT, I'M HERE AS JUST MYSELF. 
          I'M STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENCE ACROSS OUR CITY. 
          BUT IN PARTICULARLY, THOSE OF LITTLE WOODS HAVE LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE ACROSS THIS STREET FROM THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I'VE GROWN UP WITH THESE FOLKS, GONE TO SCHOOL WITH THEM, MET THEIR FAMILIES, SEEN THEIR SIBLINGS GROW UP AND BUILD LIFELONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM. 
          KAYLIN, JASON CHINO, KIMBERLY LUISA, HERRO MARTIN, AND THEIR FEARLESS LEADER WHO'S HERE, ANGIE. 
          AND THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW. 
          I'VE SEEN THIS COMMUNITY GROW AND THRIVE. 
          AND IN NO WAY ARE PARK OWNERS, THE VICTIMS HERE, THESE RESIDENTS ARE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR TOO LONG. 
          TONIGHT IS, TONIGHT IS THE CITY'S OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT WITH THIS ORDINANCE. 
          I HOPE WE CAN SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          , CATHERINE BOBOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY DENNIS OSA. 
          YES, MY NAME IS KEVIN FROST. 
          I LIVE WITH LITTLEWOOD PHIL MO PARK. 
          I URGE YOU TO DO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, MENTIONED REGARDING TO URGENCY OF THIS ORIGIN, HARMONY, COMMUTING. 
          I, SINCE HARMONY TOOK OVER NOW MON PARK, THEY HAVE THREATENED ME, TERRORIZED ME, HARASSED ME. 
          THEY HAD THEIR ONSITE PARK MEASURE IN THE PAST. 
          HAD HER FRIENDS VANDALIZE MY MOBILE HOME, WHICH I HAD TO PAY A LICENSED CONTRACTOR TO FIX THE VANDALISM. 
          THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE STOCKING. 
          AND NOW HARMONY IS TRYING TO TAKE MY MOBILE HOME AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS MOBILE HOMES IN THERE SO THEY COULD POCKET THE MONEY INTO THEIR POCKETS AND BUY OTHER MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          ON DOING THIS STATEWIDE HARMONY IS CROOKS, LIARS AND 
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DISHONEST. 
          YOU NEED TO PROVE THIS, UH, URGENCY. 
          AND ALSO TOO, THEY HAVE THREATENED TO CLOSE MOBILE HOME PARKS, BUT THEY DID NOT GIVE THE MOBILE HOME, UH, CLOSURE TO THE MOBILE HOME ONSITE MANAGER AND HER FRIENDS AND SOME OF HER FAMILY MEMBERS IN THAT PARK. 
          THEIR FA UH, PLAN FAVORITISM TO THE ON ONSITE MANAGER AND HER FRIENDS. 
          AND TWO HARMONY'S BEEN DOING THIS STATEWIDE BREAKING LAWS STATEWIDE. 
          RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE STATE STATEWIDE. 
          RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO DO A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION ON HARMONY COMMITTEE NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DENNIS POKAY, WHO IS TO BE FO TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICKEY CARROLL, TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHIP ATKINS. 
          MY NAME IS MICKEY CARROLL. 
          I'M A 10 YEAR RESIDENT OF PETALUMA'S WEST SIDE. 
          I CAME TO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS FIGHT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          I HAD BEEN TO YOUNGSTOWN SENIOR PARK MANY TIMES, AS IT WAS THE HOME OF MY DEAR FRIEND AND THE TREASURE OF THE CITY, THE LATE GLORIA ROBINSON. 
          FOR OVER 20 YEARS, I TEAMED UP WITH SEVERAL PROMINENT RESIDENTS AND WENT TO WORK TO HELP MAKE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AWARE THAT THESE AREN'T NAMELESS PEOPLE. 
          THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE LIVED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR YEARS, MUCH LONGER THAN 10 YEARS. 
          BY THE WAY, PETALUMA STEPPED UP, AS WE ALWAYS DO, AND GRASSROOTS SUPPORT CAME IN FROM CLUBS, BUSINESSES, AND INDIVIDUALS ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          IT IS BEEN A LONG AND ROCKY ROAD, BUT MUCH PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE THANKS TO THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          I BEG YOU TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT AND OFF OF THE PAPER HERE, I BEG YOU TO NOT CAPITULATE. 
          IN ORDER TO AVOID RETALIATION, IT'S TIME TO FIGHT GREED AND CALLOUS DISCO CONCERN. 
          CANNOT WIN THE DAY, NOT IN OUR WONDERFUL TOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHIP ATKINSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY JORGE RANG. 
          UH, I'M, I'M NOT A MOBILE HOME PARK OWNER. 
          I MEAN MO MOBILE HOME OWNER. 
          UM, UH, I'M A SOCIAL WORKER, RETIRED, AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT, UM, LIVED IN MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          AND IT'S A UNIQUE WAY OF AFFORDABILITY. 
          YOU CAN OWN YOUR HOME IN EXCHANGE FOR PAYING RENT. 
          UM, AND IT'S A LOT OF THE WAY THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE LOWER MIDDLE CLASS CAN FIND AFFORDABILITY AND SURVIVE. 
          I'VE HAD ONE CLIENT WHOSE MOBILE HOME PARK CLOSED DOWN, AND IT WAS A HORRENDOUS CHORE TO FIND HER OTHER HOUSING. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. 
          I WAS HIRING A, A HOUSING SPECIALIST TO HELP FIGURE OUT, UH, THE RE RELOCATION. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE CAPITAL, UM, TO MOVE THEIR, THEIR, UH, MOBILE HOME. 
          UM, PETALUMA IS BECOMING UNAFFORDABLE, WALKING AROUND TOWN. 
          I RUN INTO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PACKING UP AND LEAVING, AND WHEN I ENGAGE THEM, THEY'RE LEAVING BECAUSE THEIR RENT WAS INCREASED AND THEY CAN'T FIND AFFORDABLE RENT IN PETALUMA. 
          AND AS I LOOK AROUND, WE'RE CHANGING AND WE'RE BECOMING A YUPPIE CITY. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE MOBILE HOME PEOPLE IS THE BEST OF AMERICA. 
          WHERE LITTLE PEOPLE STAND UP AGAINST BULLIES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS, AND THEY NEED OUR HELP. 
          THE CHOICE HERE IS NOT BE, UH, BECAUSE THREATS OF PEOPLE MOVING OUT AND IF THEY GET THE LAND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN A MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          UM, IN THE CASE THAT I HAD, THE LAND SENT VACANT FOR YEARS, THEY JUST KICKED PEOPLE OUT WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE UP THE, THE, UH, CLASS OF, UH, E ECONOMIC CLASS OF PEOPLE TO, TO COME IN AND MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          I SAY WE KEEP PETALUMA DIVERSIFIED AND INCOME. 
          WE RESPECT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE BASE OF THE ECONOMY, MAKING THE ECONOMY WORK AND HAVE THE BEST OF AMERICA, AND, AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO FIGHT. 
          WE SUPPORT THEM. 
          SO I SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE. 
          PLEASE PASS IT. 
          THANK YOU, JORGE AHO AND, UH, JACKIE. 
          ER WAIT, POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE. 
          UH, 11 O'CLOCK IS COMING UP. 
          WE DO HAVE A ONE MINUTE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO, UH, BECAUSE THE MO THE 11 O'CLOCK HOURS COMING UP, WE NEED A COUNCIL MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING IN SO FAR INTO THE EVENING. 
          AND DID YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING PAST 11 O'CLOCK. 
          SECOND. 
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SO THAT MOTION BY SHRIVES AND A SECOND, SECOND BY THOMPSON. 
          AND, UM, I, I'M WILLING TO DO THIS ONE BY A CLAIM. 
          ARE, ARE WE ALL GOOD THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE? GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOTION PASSED. 
          AND, UH, J UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER. 
          MY NAME IS JORGO AND I'M, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AT CAP VILLA MOBILE HOME PARK HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND PATIENTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          I'VE LIVING IN AT CAPRI VILLA FOR ALMOST 22 YEARS. 
          AND BEING THAT THE MOBILE HOME PARKS IS ONE OF MOBILE HOME IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT OFFERS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO STAND HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          UH, AS RESIDENTS, I BELIEVE IN CAPRI. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR OUR SPACE, OUR RENT SPACES TO BE LOWER. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE EXPENSES OR, UH, UTILITIES TO BE ADDED TO THE PARK, OR WE'RE ASKING FOR THE RENT INCREASES TO BE WHAT THE CPI CALLS FOR. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2020, FOR THE CPI, FOR THE CITY OF HAUMA WAS 2%. 
          IN TWO IN 2025 IS GONNA BE TWO 2.2% FOR CAPRI VILLA. 
          UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, ABOUT 90% OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT WERE IN LONG-TERM CONTRACT GOT AN INCREASE OF AN AVERAGE OF 20% FROM THEIR BASE RENT. 
          THIS WAS TO HELP THE OWNERS PAY FOR THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND ROAD REPAIRS. 
          THE REST OF THE RE THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS WENT INTO ARBITRATION. 
          THIS YEAR, THE C-P-I-C-P-I CALLS FOR 2.2%. 
          UM, AND THIS PAST JUNE, UH, RESIDENTS AT CAPRIO GOT GOT A LETTER, SAID THAT THE INCREASE IN SEPTEMBER WILL BE AN AVERAGE OF 2.8 0.9%. 
          UH, WE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, UM, THE OWNERS, UH, MAKE US PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON OUR OWN HOMES AND THEN HELP ASK FOR US TO HELP THEM PAY THEIR OWN PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AS FAR AS UTILITIES AT CAPRIO VILLA, RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 90% OF THE STREETS HAVE BEEN REDLINED WITH, UH, NO PARKING NOTICE. 
          AND TOW TRUCKS ARE CONSTANTLY CIRCLING AT NIGHT, UH, TRYING TO TOW, UH, VEHICLES. 
          SOME OF SOME RESIDENTS HAVE NO PARKING AT ALL. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL WE ARE REALLY ASKING IS FOR YOURS SUPPORT. 
          DURING THESE STRESSFUL TIMES, PLEASE CONTINUE TO KEEP AFFORDABLE HOUSING AVAILABLE FOR THE FEW RESIDENTS THAT CAN AFFORD LIVING IN THIS EXPENSIVE COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JACKIE EDWARD, TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELA CRUZ. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          FIRST, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND THE TIME THAT YOU PUT AND EFFORT AND CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR CONSTITUENT. 
          IT'S NOT EASY, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME. 
          I AM HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT OUR PETALUMA MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS. 
          AND THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU IS FOR THEM A SIGN OF HOPE. 
          THIS IS A VULNERABLE POPULATION THAT DESERVE NOT TO LIVE IN FEAR, ESPECIALLY NOW IN TIME OF CRISIS, BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THEIR AFFORDABLE HOME THAT THEY OWN AND WORK SO HARD. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA MAKE A DECISION, AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE HARD 'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE PROS AND THE CONS. 
          BUT THESE PEOPLE TONIGHT, I LOOK AT THEM, THEY ALL WAITED ALL NIGHT LONG. 
          AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO STAY THIS LONG TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEM WHEN THEY REACH OUT TO ME, I KNEW IT WAS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEIR COUNCIL HAS BEEN SPOKE SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF. 
          AND TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          I HOPE YOU WILL GIVE THEM THAT GLARE OF HOPE IN THIS TUMULTUOUS TIME THAT IS SO HARD. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR CONSTITUENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ANGELUS CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY HANNAH STEWART ANGELUS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVERLY PREPARED, BUT, UM, JUST IN MY TIME, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR US. 
          UM, I THINK RIGHT LOGISTICALLY ARBITRATIONS ARE GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THE JUDGES THAT ARE A PART OF THOSE ARBITRATIONS ARE WITH THEIR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT IS NEEDED AND A THIRD PARTY WAY FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND PARK OWNERS. 
          UM, SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UM, 
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AND ALSO, UM, LIKE JACKIE MENTIONED, YOU SEE ALL THE PEOPLE HERE, IT'S 11:00 PM AT NIGHT. 
          YOU SEE US HERE EVERY WEEK. 
          YOU WOULDN'T SEE US HERE IF, IF IT DIDN'T MATTER TO US, IF WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO PASS. 
          UH, WE, THE RESIDENTS, UM, BELIEVE WE ARE SPEAKING WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR HOMES, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, SO PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR VOICES AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. 
          AND THAT IS THIS ORDINANCE. 
          UM, PLEASE DON'T WAIVER FROM THAT. 
          WE APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU ALL GIVE US WEEK TO WEEK AND IN GENERAL. 
          AND I KNOW THAT TIMES ARE REALLY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW, NOT ONLY IN PETALUMA, BUT IN THE WORLD, AND A TIME WHERE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE GIVING UP. 
          PETALUMA WON'T GIVE UP, AND I HOPE THAT YOU FEEL THAT IN YOUR HEART. 
          UM, REMEMBER ALL THE STORIES OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME HERE WITH MAYBE FEAR, UM, TO DO SO OR SHYNESS, AND THEY GET OVER IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. 
          UM, BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD. 
          WE THINK THAT WE IN OUR PARKS ARE BEING PART OF THE CHANGE MAKERS, AND YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO BE A PART OF THAT CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANNA STEWARD TO BE FOLLOWED BY KATIE INGER, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, I LIVE IN LITTLE WOODS. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU AND JUST, SORRY. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU TO, UM, JUST REMIND YOU THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE HERE THIS EVENING ARE FELLOW PETALUMA. 
          WE WORK IN THE SCHOOLS WHERE YOUR CHILDREN EITHER ARE OR HAVE BEEN. 
          WE, UM, SORRY, LOST MY PLACE. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO NEIGHBORS OF MANY OF YOU. 
          OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE IN OUR DISTRICTS AT LEAST. 
          UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT THE BOARD IS TAKING TIME AND EFFORT FOR, UM, THEIR CONSTITUENTS. 
          WE HAVE LIVED, WORKED, VOTED, UM, AND VOTED IN THIS TOWN FOR AT LEAST A DECADE. 
          AND ACTUALLY MY HUSBAND CONSIDERS THIS HIS HOMETOWN BECAUSE HE WAS, UM, PRETTY MUCH BORN AND RAISED HERE. 
          UM, SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD PLEASE HELP US CONTINUE IN OUR, UM, TO STAY IN OUR HOMES, HELP US CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER IN OUR CITY AND COUNTY. 
          UM, AND I ALSO HAVE, UH, A QUESTION FOR YOU IS HELPING THE LEAST FORTUNATE A WASTE? SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED INTO QUESTION THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MAYBE EFFORT THAT WE'RE, THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A WASTE. 
          I WOULD WAGER THAT MOST OF YOU, THIS IS THE REASON THAT YOU ARE HERE, THAT YOU ARE SITTING THERE, IS BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT THE, UM, HUMANITY SORT OF THAT IS INVOLVED IN THIS, UM, IS WORTH IT. 
          AND, UH, WE DO TOO. 
          , PLEASE HELP THIS ORDINANCE PASS. 
          REMEMBERING THESE TWO THINGS. 
          WE ARE YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE ARE YOUR BARBERS, PRINTERS, CAR MECHANICS, CARE PROVIDERS, AND LIBRARY WORKERS WHO DESERVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE IN PARKING SPACES. 
           . 
          AND FINALLY, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS SITUATION, UM, CALLS FOR JUSTICE. 
          AND I WANNA LEAVE YOU WITH THIS QUOTE, THE MILLS OF JUSTICE GRIND, EXCEEDINGLY SMALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KATIE SLAGER, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, JACK, UH, MON DRAGON. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS KATIE SLAGER. 
          I AM A TEACHER AND I LIVE AND WORK IN PETALUMA. 
          I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT MY FRIENDS FROM CHURCH, JAY AND HIS WIFE HANNAH, UM, WHO WORKS AT LA TRUSTER AND THEIR DAUGHTER ATHENA, WHO GOES TO JUNIOR HIGH AT KEN NORTH, AND ALSO THE MANY OTHERS WHO ARE ON THE VERGE OF LOSING THEIR HOMES IN THIS MOBILE PARK. 
          CLOSURE. 
          WE LIVE IN AN AFFLUENT CITY, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS VERY HARD TO FIND FOR THESE RESIDENTS. 
          LOSING THEIR HOME DOESN'T MEAN JUST MOVING. 
          IT MEANS LOSING STABILITY COMMUNITY, AND IN SOME CASES FACING HOMELESSNESS. 
          THIS ISN'T JUST A LAND USE ISSUE, IT'S A HUMAN ISSUE. 
          THESE ARE WORKING FAMILIES, SENIORS, VETERANS, AND MANY WHO HAVE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR DECADES AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE HEART OF THIS TOWN. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT LEGAL COSTS, BUT I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER THE HUMAN COSTS OF DOING NOTHING. 
          PROTECTING OUR MOST VULNERABLE IS NOT A WASTE. 
          IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITY THAT CLAIMS TO CARE ABOUT EQUITY, INCLUSION, AND COMMUNITY, PLEASE STAND WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE 
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BUILT THEIR LIVES HERE PAST THESE PROTECTIONS. 
          THANKS Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JACK'S MONITOR, GUN JACK C IT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWED BY BLAKE COOPER. 
          HI, UM, MY NAME IS MONDRAGON. 
          I HAVE, UM, GROWN UP IN PETALUMA, AND, UM, I DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          I, UM, I WANNA URGE THE COUNCIL AND THE INTEREST OF BREVITY. 
          I WANNA URGE THE COUNCIL TO, UM, PASS THIS ORDINANCE. 
          PLEASE VOTE TO PROTECT AND STRENGTHEN OUR PROTECTIONS FOR OUR MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE ARE THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE  ALL OF US. 
          WE, WE LIVE HERE, WE'VE GROWN UP HERE. 
          WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOREVER. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE PROTECT MOBILE HILL RESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU BLAKE COOPER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOANNE JONES. 
          UM, , GOOD EVENING COUNSEL AND STAFF. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THE MEETING, GOING LATE TONIGHT. 
          UH, MY NAME IS BLAKE HOOPER. 
          I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF PETALUMA AND I GREW UP AND LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          UH, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY ASPECT OF MY LIFE THAT HASN'T BEEN IMPACTED BY RESIDENTS OF OUR MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          SOME OF MY GRADE SCHOOL TEACHERS, FRIENDS, SEVERAL DOCTORS, NURSES, A FEW PEOPLE THAT I THINK I'VE GOTTEN IN LIFELONG ARGUMENTS WITH, AND A DENTIST WHOSE LIFE I MADE A LIVING HELL WHEN I WAS 10. 
          BUT THEY'RE ALL WONDERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE. 
          WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS AROUND TOWN, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM CAN IMAGINE THEIR LIFE WITHOUT SOMEONE THEY KNOW IN THOSE PARKS. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO PROTECT A COMMUNITY THAT'S SEPARATE FROM PETALUMA. 
          WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN A DRIVING ENGINE IN PETALUMA. 
          WE TALK SO MUCH IN THIS TOWN ABOUT PROTECTING OUR HISTORY AND OUR CULTURE AND OUR IDENTITY. 
          SO MUCH OF THAT HISTORIES IN THE STORIES THAT THESE PEOPLE KNOW, SOME OF OUR LARGEST SENIOR POPULATIONS ARE THERE. 
          AND A LOT OF OUR HISTORY DOESN'T REALLY GET WRITTEN DOWN. 
          THE, THE FIGHTS, THE WINS, THE EFFORTS, THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE ROOSTERS EVERYWHERE ON EVERY ICON. 
          ALL OF THOSE STORIES THESE PEOPLE HAVE. 
          AND THEY WON'T BE HERE WHEN THEY'RE GONE, LET ALONE THE YOUNG FAMILIES AND THE DYNAMIC PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE COMING FROM THESE PARKS. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIGHTING FOR THEM, YOU'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING, WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH BY THE WAY. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIGHTING FOR BOTH OUR, OUR FUTURE AND OUR HISTORY AT A TIME WHEN PETALUMA IS INCREASINGLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE IN, IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD A LIFE IN. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOSING HOPE. 
          THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS PROTECT ONE OF THE ANCHORS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND JUST ON THE NOTE OF SOME OF THE CONCERN I'VE HEARD, YES, THE OWNERS COULD CHOOSE TO CLOSE, BUT THEY'D BE MORONS FOR DOING IT. 
          AND THEY KNOW IT. 
          AND YOU SHOULD KNOW IT. 
          THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE MOST CONTROL THE CITY HAS EVER HAD. 
          IF THEY CHOOSE TO CLOSE, THEY KNOW THAT STATE LAW HAS STEADILY BEEN PIVOTING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          OUR OWN LOCAL LAWS CONFIRM IT. 
          WHAT THEY WANT IS TO SLOWLY DRIVE PEOPLE OUT, GET PEOPLE TO GIVE UP, SCARE THE CITY INTO NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH REASONABLE AMENDMENTS. 
          AND SLOWLY BUY UP ENOUGH OF THESE HOMES THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CITY THINKS. 
          DON'T GIVE UP THE LEVERAGE IN THIS FIGHT. 
          AND AS FOR WHETHER OR NOT FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT US NOW IN, IN THIS KIND OF BROADER MOBILE HOME FIGHT, YEAH, THEY ARE LOOKING AT PETALUMA AS THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY FOR COUNTLESS LAND USE FIGHTS, BOTH GOOD AND BAD, THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTRY STARTED HERE, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO US BECAUSE CITIES RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE FIGHTING CORPORATE INTERESTS, TAKING THEIR HOMES AWAY. 
          AND I IMPLORE YOU TO DO THE SAME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JOANNE JONES TO BE FOLLOWED BY DIANE PIMENTEL. 
          OH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, MAYOR MCDONALD AND, UM, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M SORRY, I I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN I LAST STAYED UP THIS LATE  . 
          UM, MY NAME IS JOANNE JONES AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SANTA ROSA MANUFACTURED HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          AND I ALSO LIVE IN A SENIOR MOBILE HOME PARK IN SANTA ROSA. 
          I BOUGHT MY HOME IN 2019 BECAUSE 
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IT WAS AFFORDABLE AND IT ENABLED ME TO LIVE IN A NICE, QUIET COMMUNITY WITH OTHER SENIORS. 
          BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING AND I'M CONCERNED, I'M CONCERNED FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I'M GONNA ECHO WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN JUST SAID. 
          LARGE INVESTMENT COMMUNITIES ARE BUYING UP MOBILE HOME PARKS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF HOMEOWNERS. 
          THEY DO THIS BY INITIATING OUTRAGEOUS RENT INCREASES, FOLLOWED BY A REDUCTION IN AMENITIES AND SERVICES. 
          I HEARD OF THIS HAPPENING IN, AT CARRIAGE COURT IN SANTA ROSA WHEN I VISITED THEIR PARK. 
          I WAS TALKING TO, UM, A WOMAN THERE WHO HAD BEEN, WHO HAD LIVED THERE FOR UH, MANY YEARS. 
          AND THE MANAGEMENT HARMONY MANAGEMENT CAME IN AND STRONG ARMED THE RESIDENTS AND COERCED THEM INTO SIGNING NEW LEASES WITH A WAIVER OF RIGHTS. 
          IT DIDN'T GO TO ARBITRATION. 
          THE, UH, RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT. 
          SO MANY OF THEM DEALT WITH THE NEW OWNERS AND THEY PAID THE ADDITIONAL $400 A MONTH RENT INCREASE. 
          UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE MOVED OUT, THEY MOVED TO OREGON AND WITH THEIR KIDS SOMEPLACE. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHERS, UH, WENT AHEAD AND JUST PAID WHATEVER THEY ASKED THEM TO PAY, WHICH I THINK WAS $400 MORE. 
          AND I JUST TALKED TO SOMEBODY FROM THE, UM, EVERGREEN PARK IN WINDSOR BEFORE I CAME HERE. 
          AND HER STORY WAS THE SAME. 
          SHE SAID, THEY CAME IN, THEY STRONG ARMED US. 
          THEY HAD A NEW LEASE, THEY HAD A WAIVER OF RIGHTS. 
          THEY INTIMIDATED US, THEY THREATENED US. 
          THEY THREATENED US WITH CLOSING THE PARK AND MANY OF THEM SIGNED. 
          I'VE ALSO SEEN THIS IN OTHER PARKS. 
          I'VE BEEN TO OTHER PARKS AND I'VE SEEN WHERE THE OWNERS, THEY BUY THE PLACES, THEY BUY THE PARKS, BUT THEY DON'T REINVEST IN THE PARKS. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          THEY NEGLECT MUCH OF THE NEEDED MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING BUCKLING SIDEWALKS, VERY BUCKLING SIDEWALKS, LARGE CRACKS, HUGE TREES WITH OVERGROWN ROOTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TRIMMED IN YEARS, AND CLUBHOUSES THAT HAVE FALLEN INTO DISRE DISREPAIR. 
          THESE INVESTORS, SPECULATORS, TARGET SENIORS, VETERANS, THE DISABLED AND IMMIGRANT WORKERS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THREE MINUTES GOES QUICKLY. 
          I URGE YOU TO, UM, TO VOTE FOR YOU. 
          DIANE ELL WOULD BE OUR NEXT SPEAKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARJORIE HELM. 
          YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS. 
          I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE MORE THAN PARKS. 
          THEY'RE COMMUNITIES, AND ESPECIALLY THIS 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO THINGS IN RETIREMENT THAT I'VE ALWAYS DREAMED OF. 
          I MEAN, WE PLAY CARDS, WE SWIM, WE GO TO OUR HOT TUBS, AND WE DO FUN THINGS TOGETHER. 
          WE ARE A COMMUNITY CLOSER THAN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE EVER LIVED IN. 
          AND SO I'M JUST NEEDING TO PRESENCE THAT ASPECT AS WELL. 
          AND I JUST ENCOURAGE A AFFIRMATIVE VOTE ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT PIECE BEFORE YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU MARJORIE HELM TO BE FOLLOWED BY REBECCA CARPENTER. 
          GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 
          UM, AS A 35 YEAR RESIDENT OF PETALUMA, I WANNA THANK YOU THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO CREATE AN AGING FRIENDLY PETALUMA. 
          YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT WORK IN A REALLY GORGEOUS WAY. 
          THIS IS A MOMENT FOR SUPPORTING PETAL LUMENS WHO WANT TO AGE IN PLACE. 
          TOO MANY OLDER ADULTS ARE BECOMING HOMELESS BECAUSE OF PREDATORY ECONOMICS. 
          THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT OLDER ADULTS AND OTHER VULNERABLE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR OWN HOMES. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE ON THIS. 
          AND THANK YOU REBECCA CARPENTER TO BE FOLLOWED BY LINDSAY DIXON. 
          REBECCA LEFT, UH, LINDSEY DIXON IN THE HOUSE. 
          SHE IS OH, HOORAY, TO BE FOLLOWED BY LYDIA ASLAN. 
          GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US EXTRA TIME TO BE ABLE TO SHARE OUR THOUGHTS WITH YOU. 
          I AM A LONGTIME PETALUMA RESIDENT 
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AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE THERE, PROBABLY WITHIN A MILE RADIUS, ARE FIVE MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          AND IN THE TIME THAT I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME, I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS WERE ANYTHING BUT GREAT NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I, AS I HAVE FOLLOWED WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN, IN THEIR FIGHT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR LIFE IN THEIR HOMES, UM, I'M SHOCKED BY THE, JUST THE BLATANT GREED AND LAWLESSNESS OF THE PARK OWNERS. 
          AND AS I'VE LISTENED TO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON TONIGHT, A COUPLE THINGS HAVE BEEN, UM, EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I DO FEEL LIKE I SHOULD RESPOND TO. 
          ONE IS THERE WAS CONCERN THAT, UM, USING THE NMOI AS A BASIS TO CALCULATE WHAT WOULD, UM, AMOUNT TO A FAIR RATE OF RETURN, UM, WAS MAYBE TOO RESTRICTIVE. 
          OR THAT USING THE 1993 RENT RATE, UM, BEFORE THERE WAS RENT CONTROL WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE PARK OWNERS. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CPI THAT IS CUMULATIVE. 
          WHEN YOU THINK OF, UM, THE AVERAGE CPI BEING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 3% AND YOU'RE APPLYING 143% TO A, UH, THAT BASE RATE, I THINK THAT THE MATH IS WORKING OUT TO MAKE IT FAIR. 
          AND I HAPPEN TO BE A CPA, SO I, I AM FAMILIAR WITH HOW THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WORK. 
          THE CALCULATION AND N-N-M-O-I IS IS JUST VERY ORDINARY, UM, ACCOUNTING TO DETERMINE WHAT A FAIR RATE OF RETURN IS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING PARTICULARLY WORRISOME ABOUT THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO, TO ADDRESS IS THE IDEA THAT THIS CAN, THIS COUNCIL AND THIS GOVERNMENT WOULD NEED TO PLAY HARDBALL AGAINST SOME VERY SKILLED ATTORNEYS. 
          AND I WOULD JUST SAY, IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS AUDIENCE? YOU EXPECT THEM TO STAND UP TO, UM, VERY SKILLED ATTORNEYS WITHOUT ANY DEFENSE THAT IS NOT THE PETALUMA THAT I KNOW AND LOVE. 
          AND I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THESE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THESE AMENDMENTS ARE JUST ORDINARY TIGHTENING UP OF WHAT YOUR LEGAL INTENTIONS HAVE BEEN. 
          SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS URGENCY ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU LYDIA LYN TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANN UH, COTIS. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, AS A MEMBER OF REBUILDING TOGETHER'S HOUSING COMMITTEE, I'M HERE TO URGE THE COUNCIL TO UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT THE MOBILE HOME PARK RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE. 
          IT'S HIGH TIME TO CODIFY THESE AMENDMENT, THESE AMENDED REGULATIONS AND CLOSE THE ARBITRATION LOOPHOLES TO BETTER PROTECT OUR SENIORS, DISABLED AND FIXED INCOME RESIDENTS, HOPEFULLY REDUCING THESE FOLKS' DAY-TO-DAY FEARS AROUND HOUSING AND SECURITY. 
          YOUR YES VOTE TONIGHT HELPS KEEP PETALUMA'S COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SIGNALS THAT WE AS A CITY ARE NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP TO PREDATORY CORPORATE BULLYING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, TIS, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY DANIEL, UM GONZALEZ. 
          HI, I'M ANN COTIS AND THIS IS, WE HAVE A TWO FOR, UH, SUSAN MILLS. 
          WE'RE BOTH ON THE BOARD OF THE, UH, SONOMA COUNTY MOBILE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          AND WE'RE HERE TODAY IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE PETALUMA HOMEOWNERS AND ALSO AN APPRECIATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA FOR TAKING A COURAGEOUS STAND TO PROTECT HIS MOBILE HOMEOWNER COMMUNITY. 
          WE URGE YOU TO STAY STRONG NOW THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY AND INDEED, THE ENTIRE STATE MOBILE HOMEOWNERS ARE WATCHING AN ABSOLUTE HORROR OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          WITH THIS NEW BREEDER PARK OWNER THREATENS THE INVESTMENT IN OUR HOMES AND VIGOROUSLY WORKS TO UNDERMINE OUR HARD WON AND ESSENTIAL PROTECTIONS IN ADOPTING THIS URGENCY ORDINANCE, THE CITY OF PETALUMA IS, IS HOLDING THE LINE TO PROTECT THIS IMPORTANT SOURCE OF UNSUBSIDIZED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PROTECTING THE MOST VULNERABLE. 
          AND IN DOING SO, YOU ARE TRULY AN EXAMPLE OF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AT ITS FINEST MOMENT. 
          AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I SAY I DID ALL THAT  . 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, DANIEL GONZALEZ IN THE HOUSE TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, DANIEL HERNANDEZ. 
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GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, MY NAME IS DANIEL GONZALEZ. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, LITTLE WOODS MOUL HOME PARK. 
          UM, I AM HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR WORKING WITH US AND WANT TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROTECTING MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENCE. 
          AS OF I'M A FATHER AND A SON OF A MOBILE HOME, UM, RESIDENCE, UM, ALL THIS HAS CAUSED, UH, STRESS NOT ONLY ON MY FAMILY, MY PARENTS, MY SONS, UM, WONDERING WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO IF THE PARK CLOSES, SHUTS DOWN. 
          UM, AND I'M HERE STILL STANDING THIS LATE. 
          I GOTTA WAKE UP AT FOUR IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ME, FOR MY FAMILY, AND FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THE PARK THAT I'VE KNOWN SINCE I MOVED THERE WITH MY PARENTS IN OH SIX. 
          AND, UM, UH, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS  AS YOU CAN TELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. 
          SO WE CAN GET THIS TOGETHER, SHOW SUPPORT, GET THIS ORDINANCE GOING, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET THIS AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE AND GET TOGETHER. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW I'M A UNION MEMBER. 
          AS A UNION. 
          WE STAND STRONG. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DANIEL HERNANDEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY UH, J JACK STEWART. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, INCLUDING YOU. 
          UM, I SUPPOSED TO GET UP AT FIVE IN THE MORNING TOMORROW TO GO TO WORK. 
          SO, BUT THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT FOR PETALUMA. 
          UH, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE EVEN THE STATE. 
          I MEAN THIS, WE MIGHT SET A PRECEDENT HERE. 
          SO I WAS LIKE, WHAT WOULD I SAY? YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE MY FELLOWS HERE HAVE SAID PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. 
          BUT, UH, I ALSO LIKE TO BRING THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE IS SO IMPORTANT TO PASS BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO GET TO, TO A POINT WHERE IT CAN BE LIFE OR DEATH. 
          MY MOM JUST HAD A MINOR STROKE OVER BEING SUPER STRESSED OVER THIS MATTER. 
          AND MY GRANDMA, WHO IS 94 YEARS OLD, RELIES ON MY MOM AND TO TAP IT OFF, I WOULDN'T THINK A 4-YEAR-OLD WOULD NOTICE, BUT MY 4-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER EVEN ASKED WHAT'S GOING ON? 'CAUSE SHE'S IN FEAR THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS HOW POWERFUL IT WOULD BE IF YOU GUYS PASS THIS ORDINANCE TO BRING A LITTLE PEACE OF MIND FOR ALL OF US. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JAY STEWART OR JACK STEWART. 
          JAY SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY RAFIO CORTEZ. 
          JAY LEFT. 
          WAIT, ONCE, UH, ZEDA RAMIREZ. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          CITY COUNCILS, UH, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT. 
          AS A RESIDENT OF LITTLE WOODS, I FEEL REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HARMONY AND, UM, AS A FRIEND OF MANY PEOPLE AND AS A RESIDENT, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL LIKE I DO. 
          I FEEL LIKE THREATENING. 
          I FEEL LIKE, UH, UH, SOMETIMES WE HELPLESS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE. 
          I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR A WHILE. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE IN, I LIVE, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE IN PALOMA AND PERAL IS BEEN, IS A, IT'S BEEN A GOOD CITY FOR ME. 
          UH, I THINK THIS, UH, A FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND WE ARE, UH, WE'RE PART OF THE PETALUMA, I THINK, UH, ALL THE MOBILE HOMES AT OUR COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUN BIG COMMUNITY, PETALUMA. 
          AND I REALLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND, UM, I I CAN SAY I, I DON'T SAY MUCH. 
          I'M SORRY BECAUSE MY ENGLISH IS MY SECOND LANGUAGE AND I WASN'T PREPARED TO TELL. 
          BUT 
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I FEEL LIKE I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE. 
          BUT I, I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING AT LEAST FOR ME, BECAUSE IF I DON'T SAY NOTHING, I FEEL LIKE I DID NOTHING. 
          AND NOW WITH ALL MY NERVOUSNESS, I'M HERE AND I, I I'LL THANK YOU. 
          HOLY. 
          EACH REPORT MY, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAY MY NAME IS RAFINO CORTEZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, UH, UH, ZITA RAMIREZ IN THE HOUSE. 
          NO, FOR ZITA. 
          I THINK SHE'S COMING. 
          I THINK SHE'S COMING. 
          OH, THERE WE ARE. 
          TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAN KINGSBURY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I'M SITTING HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, AS A SOLIDARITY WITH MY COMMUNITY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CALL ON YOUR EMPATHY TO HUMAN TO HUMANITY AND SUPPORT OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF TO DIGNIFIED HOME. 
          WE'RE NOT MILLIONAIRES. 
          NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES, UNFORTUNATELY, AND BY THE HOUSE. 
          HIGH COST OF LIVING IN SONOMA COUNTY AS A SINGLE MOTHER AND AS AN IMMIGRANT, I WORK HARD TO KEEP A ROOF OFF MY FAMILY'S HEAD. 
          AND, UM, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO A FOUR DAY-TO-DAY, UH, LIFE. 
          AND I'VE BEEN IN DISADVANTAGE OF MY LANDLORD TOO. 
          AND I FEEL HOW THEY FEEL. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A BASIC FULL OF LIVING. 
          AND ALL I'M ASKING HERE IS FOR YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT US AND TO NOT LET THESE PEOPLE GO HOMELESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T DESERVE IT. 
          THEY WORK HARD, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME CHANCES AS EVERYBODY ELSE, AND ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST A ROOF. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU DIANA KINGSBURY TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA SHAN. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME'S DIANA KINGSBURY AND I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH THE NORTH BAY ORGANIZING PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY OUR DEEP DEMOCRACY INITIATIVE. 
          AND I'M ALSO THE INTERIM TENANT ORGANIZER. 
          WE DO A LOT OF VOTER OUTREACH. 
          WHEN WE WERE KNOCKING OVER 5,500 DOORS LAST FALL IN SANTA ROSA, THE COST OF HOUSING WAS A CONSTANT CONCERN. 
          THE SAME IS TRUE WHEN WE HAVE KNOCKED ON DOORS IN PETALUMA IN YOUR LIVES. 
          I'M SURE YOU HEAR ABOUT THE HIGH COST OF HOUSING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND YOUR FAMILIES. 
          I'M HERE TO URGE THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THEIR ACTUAL COMMUNITY. 
          UH, YOUR ACTUAL CONSTITUENTS OVER THE AGGRESSIVE GREED OF THESE BULLY OWNERS BY UNANIMOUSLY VOTING YES ON THE URGENCY ORDINANCE TO PROTECT, UH, YOUR MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENTS. 
          LET'S UNDERSTAND WHO THESE OWNERS ARE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE TIMELINE THAT JODI READ THROUGH. 
          UH, REMEMBER THE FIRES. 
          IMAGINE PEOPLE GETTING A $200 RENT INCREASE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE PARK OWNERS DID DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE WILDFIRES THAT DEVASTATED THIS COUNTY. 
          THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT MAKING THE PROCESS MORE FAIR. 
          WE WORK WITH RESIDENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTY, LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          UM, THESE MEETINGS ARE REALLY A LOT. 
          I HOPE THAT YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE SENIOR CITIZENS HERE WHO HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR FIVE HOURS IN A ROW ON METAL FOLDING CHAIRS. 
          PETALUMA COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE WORKED ALL DAY. 
          UH, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HERE IS GETTING UP AT 4:00 AM FOR A SHIFT. 
          UM, STAYED TILL THE VERY END. 
          PRIMARILY SPANISH SPEAKING. 
          COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHO BY THE WAY, DON'T HAVE INTERPRETATION EQUIPMENT HERE IN THE, IN THE LIVE MEETING. 
          AND PETALUMA COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO MAY BE AFRAID OF RETALIATION FROM HARMONY. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE IS SO IMPORTANT TO THEIR LIVES. 
          SEEING THEM MAKES ME ME REALLY PROUD TO ORGANIZE WITH THEM. 
          IT MAKES ME IMPRESSED BY THEIR DEDICATION AND REFUSAL TO BE DISPLACED OR EXPLOITED. 
          BUT IT ALSO MAKES ME UPSET BECAUSE OF HARMONY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE HERE. 
          ALL THESE BRAVE, DEDICATED COMMUNITY MEMBERS DESERVE YOUR SUPPORT. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH IN PROVIDING IT. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. 
          BECAUSE TOGETHER WE'RE SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT OF THESE PROTECTIONS AND APPRECIATION OF YOUR WORK ON IT. 
          BECAUSE EVERYONE DESERVES A SAFE, STABLE, UH, SAFE, STABLE, AFFORDABLE PLACE TO CALL HOME. 
          AND AS A SONOMA COUNTY RESIDENT BORN AND RAISED, WE, I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HARMONY COMMUNITIES LLC HAS REPEATEDLY THREATENED AND ATTACKED. 
          THEY'VE TRIED TO GET WINDSOR, UH, MOBILE HOME PARKS TO SIGN AWAY THEIR RIGHTS. 
          YOU KNOW HOW BAD THEY ARE. 
          . 
          UM, AND I'VE HAD MULTIPLE FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO'VE HAD TO LEAVE THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE. 
          AND MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES WHERE FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO LIVE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE, AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING. 
          FOLKS GO ON WALKS TOGETHER, FOLKS 
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HAVE KNOWN THEIR NEIGHBORS FOR YEARS. 
          THIS IS REALLY URGENT. 
          AND SO REALLY THE QUESTION IS, IS PETALUMA GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CITY THAT STANDS UP TO BULLIES? WHO REFUSES TO LET A GREEDY CORPORATION TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SENIORS, CHILDREN, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, IMMIGRANTS AND LOW INCOME RESIDENTS? THANK YOU FOR BEING LOYAL TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SANDRA SHAND TO BE FOLLOWED BY LAURA BENNETT. 
          HELLO. 
          I'M NOT A MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENT, SO DON'T HOLD MY COMMENTS AGAINST THOSE FOLKS 'CAUSE I'M FEELING A BIT OF ANGER AND A BIT OF SHOCK FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD. 
          THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN BRINGING THIS STUFF HERE FOR A YEAR, AND I WOULD HOPE YOU HAD UNDERSTOOD SOME OF THE ISSUES A LITTLE BETTER. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          IF I BOUGHT A PIZZA PARLOR OR A NIGHTCLUB, NOBODY GUARANTEES ME A PROFIT. 
          BUT IF I BUY A MOBILE HOME PARK, GEE, THERE'S ARBITRATION. 
          I HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO PROTECT THAT I GET TO MAKE, I'M GUARANTEED A REASONABLE PROFIT. 
          YOUR ONLY PROBLEM IS NOT WITH A STRUGGLING LANDLORD, BUT A FINANCIAL PREDATOR CLASS THAT WANTS TO MAKE EXCESSIVE PROFITS IF THE LAWS THAT THEY HAVE VIOLATED IN BULLYING AND HARASSING THESE FOLKS, THOSE LAWS WERE ON THE BOOKS WHEN THEY BOUGHT THESE PROPERTIES. 
          ALL YOU'RE DOING IS CLARIFYING A FEW THINGS. 
          SO I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST TONIGHT. 
          THE NATURE OF MOBILE HOME OWNERSHIP IS A DUAL THING. 
          TENANTS WHO ARE OBEYING THE LAW ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY LAND, BY THESE INVESTORS, WE'LL CALL THEM, WHO ARE NOT OBEYING THE LAW AND WHO ARE FINDING LOOPHOLES. 
          SO THE PURCHASE OF A MOBILE HOME PARK CARRIES LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO NOT TRY AND HIJACK TENANT'S HOMES AND BLACKMAIL THEM WITH UNREASONABLE RENT HIKES THAT WILL FORCE THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES. 
          FOR ALL YOUR TALK ABOUT PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS AND ENCOURAGING DIVERSITY, I'M A LITTLE APPALLED BY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE WHEN WE VOTE FOR YOU. 
          NEXT TIME I GO TO VOTE, I'M GONNA ASK, WHAT ARE CANDIDATES NET WORTH IS YOUR KNEE JERK REACTION IS THAT THE LANDLORD NEEDS PROTECTING? BE CLEAR. 
          THESE WEALTHY INVESTORS ARE APPARENTLY ACCUSTOMED TO BULLYING AND THREATENING AND GETTING THEIR WAY. 
          PLEASE HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR REASONABLE RENTS AND FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS HOMELESS PART OF MY CHILDHOOD. 
          IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD THAT EXPERIENCE, MAYBE YOU DON'T FULLY APPRECIATE WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND OUR LAST SPEAKER IS LAURA BENNETT, AS YOU SAID, MY NAME'S LAURA BENNETT. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF LEISURE LAKE VILLAGE, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING FORTH THAT I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE CITY REACHED OUT TO THE RESIDENTS OF MOBILE HOME PARKS AND STARTED A DIALOGUE WITH US. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. 
          WHERE AT THAT MOMENT I KNEW THAT I WAS LIVING IN THE RIGHT TOWN. 
          UM, YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING CORRECT. 
          YOU'VE DONE THE HARD WORK. 
          THE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN, HAS BEEN IN PLACE. 
          BUT WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT WITH THE CORPORATIONS, AND I'M GONNA SAY THE CORPORATIONS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHO WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, HAVE FOUND LOOPHOLES. 
          AND ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TONIGHT IS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, SHOW THE STRENGTH THAT YOU'VE SHOWED US, THAT I'VE BEEN SO FEARFUL THAT WHEN THE OWNERS WOULD CALL IN AT THE MEETINGS AND THEY WOULD SAY WHAT THEY WOULD SAY, OR THEY WOULD PUT IN EMAILS OR THEY'D COME UP TO THE PODIUM, THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO THAT. 
          AND YOU HAVE. 
          AND TONIGHT IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF TIGHTENING UP THOSE LOOPHOLES, MAKING THOSE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE AND GOING FORWARD. 
          AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK, YOUR SUPPORT AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF US AND SEEING US AND WHO WE ARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM. 
          I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S ATTENDANCE AND, AND, UH, YOUR PATIENCE TO BE HERE AT THIS TIME OF DAY. 
          BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL 
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FOR ANY COMMENTS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, BARNACLE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I OFTEN SAID THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION ON HOTELS AND BIKE LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS OVERWHELMINGLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING IN OUR CITY FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          AND, UM, I'M ABSOLUTELY GONNA SUPPORT THIS. 
          UM, I WANT TO CALL OUT A FEW THINGS, UM, JUST TO, TO RE RECAPTURE SOME OF THE THINGS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE INSTANCE WHERE A SMALL INCREASE WAS GRANTED. 
          WE'VE PREVAILED IN ALL OF OUR ARBITRATION INDICATING THAT OUR LIMITS ARE NOT CREATING UNDUE HARDSHIP FOR THE THE MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS. 
          UM, AND THAT THE MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS ARE TRYING TO, UM, EX MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS, UM, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO, UM, DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES. 
          AND THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS HERE TO DO, IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. 
          UM, WEEK AFTER WEEK, WE HEAR STORIES OF HOW THESE MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS ARE VIOLATING OUR REGULATIONS THAT WE'VE PASSED. 
          UM, WE HEAR STORIES OF PEOPLE FEELING HELPLESS, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, UM, AND YET THE COURAGE THAT IT TAKES TO GET UP HERE AND SPEAK THEIR TRUTH, THEIR EXPERIENCE, THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE EVERY WEEK, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAVE TO LISTEN TO. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PROMISED TO TAKE ACTION ON SINCE FEBRUARY AS WE WERE, AS WE CALLED OUT. 
          UM, AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND OFTENTIMES WHEN I HEAR THESE STORIES, I FEEL HELPLESS. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T FEEL HELPLESS TONIGHT BECAUSE I CAN DO SOMETHING. 
          WE ALL CAN DO SOMETHING TONIGHT. 
          WE CAN TAKE THE COURAGE TO CLOSE A COUPLE OF MODEST LOOPHOLES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED TO, AS I READ FROM THE STAFF REPORT, SHORTEN THE DURATION OF ARBITRATION HEARINGS. 
          THAT'S GONNA SAVE EVERYBODY TIME AND MONEY. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL SHOULD WANT. 
          WE, UM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THAT ARE THE PEOPLE WE SERVE ARE CONSTITUENTS. 
          IT LIMITS THE PARTIES TO ONE RENT INCREASE WITHIN ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD. 
          WHO NEEDS TO INCREASE THE RENT MORE THAN ONCE EVERY 12 MONTHS? CLARIFY THAT ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS WILL NOT BE AWARDED. 
          I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          IMPROVE THE CLARITY, TIGHTENING THE VACANCY CONTROL PROVISIONS, REVISIONS TO THE ANNUAL COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND, UM, HELP MONITOR WHETHER PARK OWNERS ARE ADHERING TO RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE. 
          I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH THAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN UP HERE FROM THIS DIOCESE THAT WE ARE GOING TO STRENGTHEN, DEFEND AND ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE FOR YOU, AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT. 
          THE DECISION TONIGHT IS WHETHER IT'S GONNA COME INTO EFFECT AS SOON AS WE TAKE A VOTE OR WHETHER IT'S GONNA COME INTO EFFECT A FEW MONTHS FROM TODAY. 
          WHAT I HOPE IS THAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES UP HERE WILL ALL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT THIS SO THAT WE START SAVING MONEY AND WE START SUPPORTING YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE THESE ARE MODEST CHANGES. 
          THESE ARE NOT HUGE CHANGES. 
          THESE ARE SMALL THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WE SERVE THAT ARE GONNA HELP. 
          UM, HONESTLY, EVERYBODY SAVE MONEY. 
          AND SO I HOPE THIS IS NOT A HARD DECISION. 
          LIKE ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED FROM OUR, FROM, FROM A APPEAR ON THE DIOCESE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          UM, THE, THE REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT IS BECAUSE WE ARE STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS WHO BY WAY OF ALL THE ARBITRATIONS WITH THE, THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHERE THEY GOT THEIR INCREASE ARE MAKING THEIR APPROPRIATE RETURNS. 
          THIS IS A SIMPLE THING AND WE SHOULD ALL SUPPORT IT. 
          ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT EVERY WEEK. 
          THANK YOU FOR ENDURING AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER. 
          I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF THIS, UM, LIKE MY HEART BREAKS FOR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH. 
          UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS AND I HOPE I'M JOINED BY SIX PEOPLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, CATER THOMPSON. 
          UM, FOR ME, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT HUMANITY. 
          AND YOU REALLY START LOOKING AT PEOPLE. 
          YOU GET TO KNOW PEOPLE. 
          I MEAN, A LOT OF YOU I DIDN'T KNOW, AND NOW I KNOW ALL OF YOU PERSONALLY IN MANY OF THE MOBILE HOME PARKS AND, BUT NOT JUST IN THE MOBILE HOME PARKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW WHO I REPRESENT AND I WANT TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S SAFE. 
          AND I DON'T CARE WHAT DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN. 
          UM, I JUST REMEMBER WHEN, WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS COTTAGES, WHICH WAS WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME, 30 YEARS AGO, THE NEW OWNER SAID TO ME, WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THESE 
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TIN CANS. 
          AND I LOOKED AT HIM AND I SAID, THOSE ARE PEOPLE'S HOMES. 
          AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT MANY YEARS LATER, IT'S STILL HAPPENING. 
          THE SAME OWNERS ARE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITY COUNCIL TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT OUR BUSINESSES, BUT I DON'T LOOK AT THESE MOBILE HOME PARKS AS BUSINESSES. 
          THEY'RE PREDATORS. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR, I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT FOR YEARS, BUT I'VE BEEN NOW WATCHING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH SEVEN ARBITRATIONS AND YOU ONLY WIN ONE, YOU START THINKING, MAYBE WE NEED TO RETHINK WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          BUT THEY'RE NOT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT, THE CHANGES WITH THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AND WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          THE LOOPHOLES ARE CLOSED AND THAT'S WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE DON'T JUST LIVE WITH A PLAN FOR YEARS AND SAY, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT. 
          WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. 
          AND SO I AM ABSOLUTELY HERE TO SUPPORT THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, WELL, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK FOR THAT  AND WE'LL BE BACK FOR THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT NOW, BUT I JUST THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE AND FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. 
          MY, MY, MY FROZE NOW ANYWAY, UM, AT THIS HOUR, UM, I THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AT 20 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT, AND MANY OF YOU ARE FROM LITTLE WOODS, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBORS. 
          AND, UM, I'VE REALLY GOTTEN TO KNOW A LOT MORE THAN I ALREADY KNEW. 
          AND I'VE SEEN THE HEALTH, UM, DECREASE ON SOME OF MY FRIENDS THAT ARE LIVING IN LITTLE WOODS AND CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SUCH BAD HEALTH. 
          AND, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I I LOVE THE COMMUNITY THAT THE MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BUILT, AND THEY LOOK AFTER THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I REALLY AM THANKFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LOOKING AFTER EACH OTHER. 
          AND, UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I DO DEEPLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD YOU AND YOU CAN'T NOT FEEL THE EMOTION IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, EVERYBODY'S TERRIFIED AND, AND THEY WANT TO BE PROTECTED. 
          AND SO, AND I WANT YOU TO LIVE IN YOUR HOMES IN PEACE AND HAPPINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE FEARS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, WITHOUT THE INTIMIDATION THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE RESTRICTING THE ARBITRATION TO BE ONCE A YEAR, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE SO THAT, THAT CAN'T BE ABUSED. 
          UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GREATLY CONCERNED THOUGH THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WITH THESE PARKS IF, UM, IF THINGS ARE TOO HEAVY HANDED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE THAT THE OWNERS GET BROUGHT IN TO SPEAK WITH STAFF AND REWORK THE ORDINANCE COLLABORATIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I, I THINK THAT'S A, UM, A GOOD ASK AND A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT YOU MAKE. 
          AND, UM, THAT WOULD IN, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          IT'S, I I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS A STRATEGY CONVERSATION AT, AT A DIFFERENT TIME FROM TODAY. 
          AND, AND I THINK, UM, YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW. 
          ANY OF US ARE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW WHERE WE, UH, UH, DEMAND OF STAFF A PATH FORWARD. 
          I, I THINK YOU ARE DIRECTION. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT DEMANDING AND I'M ASKING STAFF IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BE, WELL, IF YOU, IF WE ASK, ASK FOR AN ANSWER, IT'S DEMANDING OF STAFF. 
          I CAN'T, AND IT'S MORE OF A CONSENSUS ITEM FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          SO I'D LIKE IT STAFF TO TAKE YOUR COMMENT UNDER CONSIDERATION AND, AND OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL TO CON, YOU KNOW, WEIGH THAT IN AS WELL. 
          JUST, JUST VERY QUICKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS JODY REMINDED ME, AND AS PEGGY REMINDED ME, WE DID HAVE AN EXTENSIVE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF UPDATES WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD MEETINGS, UM, WITH PARK OWNERS AND WITH AND WITH RESIDENTS. 
          AND IF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DIRECT US TO HAVE FURTHER OUTREACH LIKE THAT, WE WILL HAVE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S A CONVERSATION FOR, AND THAT WAS THAT FEEDBACK THAT HELPED INFORM THE ORDINANCE. 
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YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND, UM, AND I THINK IT'S A DYNAMIC SITUATION. 
          THERE ARE HOPEFULLY WINS FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN DIFFERENT CITIES, AND WE NEED TO KEEP CONSIDERING WHERE THE FINAL PLACE WE LAND IS. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING WE CAN COMMIT TO TONIGHT. 
          THAT CONVERSATION'S NOT BEEN HAD. 
          UH, OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I MEAN, AT WHAT, WHAT POINT CAN WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? NOT CLEAR ON THAT RIGHT NOW EITHER, UH, BEFORE YOU CAME ON COUNCIL? UH, OKAY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, WE'RE SORRY. 
          WE'RE IN COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS AND, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET US BEFORE MIDNIGHT ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, GOOD WITH COMMENTS. 
          WELL, ERICA'S, SO IN TERMS OF FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL, THAT'S OUR AGENDA SETTING PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND RIGHT, SO WE'LL REVIEW, UM, THE AGENDA SETTING PROCESS WITH YOU AND, AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S A PATH FORWARD. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE SECOND READING? CAN THAT BE INTRODUCED TO, TO THE DISCUSSION? WE CAN, I, I, I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ON HOW THE AGENDA WORKS WITH YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THEN MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, I DON'T WANNA SEE RESIDENTS END UP HOMELESS AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, EVERYBODY THINKS THE ORDINANCE IS THE SAVIOR, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THIS, IN THE, IN THIS, IT WILL HURT IN IF I JUST, IF I'M SORRY TO GET PUSHY HERE, BUT IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'VE HAD A, A BIT OF A CONVERSATION ON THIS. 
          THE ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE ONLY SOME LOOPHOLES ARE REALLY AT, AT, AT ISSUE THIS EVENING. 
          SO THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT IS THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I GUESS ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS, IF YOU'RE GONNA VOTE NO, IS THERE A SPECIFIC P PROVISION THAT YOU WOULD PULL OUT TO SUPPORT THE REST OF IT? RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WOULD GET, ACTUALLY GET YOUR SUPPORT OTHER THAN LIKE, MORE PROCESS? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE WE NEED TO, LIKE, HOPEFULLY WE'RE MOVING SOMETHING FORWARD AND, AND STRENGTHENING THE ORDINANCE. 
          WHAT I WOULD WANT IS, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE MY DECISION AS TO WHAT TO PULL FROM THIS. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE COLLABORATION WOULD COME BETWEEN THE CITY AND, AND THE OWNERS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S MY PLACE TO TRY TO, TO CHANGE THAT. 
          SO ONE THING I'D LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE COUNCIL, UM, THIS IS CERTAINLY TRUE FOR ME AS STAFF IN, UM, FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. 
          AND I THINK IT'S TRUE FOR THE COUNCIL IN GIVING THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO RECOGNIZE, I THINK WE HEARD THE, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT RECOGNIZE, UM, THAT TO HAVE MOBILE HOME PARK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A COMMUNITY, YOU NEED PARK OWNERS AND YOU NEED RESIDENTS WILLING TO INVEST IN HOMES AND THOSE PARKS AND THAT BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE SUSTAINABLE. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT IS REFLECTED IN, UM, THE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS AND THE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, STATE AND LOCAL TO ENSURE THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE CONTROLS THAT LIMIT THE, UM, RENTS THAT CAN BE CHARGED IN PARKS, THAT THE BUSINESS CAN STILL SUSTAIN ITSELF. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS A DUTY TO NOTE IF WE ARE CONSIDERING REGULATIONS THAT DESTABILIZE THAT ARRANGEMENT. 
          AND IT CERTAINLY FOR JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IF I THOUGHT THAT THE COUNCIL HAD PROVIDED ME DIRECTION IN BRINGING YOU THESE REGULATIONS, WHICH WE'VE BROUGHT THAT WAS ACTUALLY COUNTER TO THE COUNCIL'S POLICIES AND PURPOSES AND WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF DESTABILIZING, UM, UM, MOBILE HOME PARKS FINANCIALLY, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD GIVE ME A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT, UM, AS BEST AS I CAN DETERMINE, AND I, HOPEFULLY IT'S CLEAR FROM MY REMARKS IN THIS WORK THAT WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON IT, AS BEST AS I CAN DETERMINE IT, THIS STILL PROVIDES FOR A STABLE AND SUSTAINABLE, UM, MOBILE HOME PARK MARKET IN PETALUMA. 
          IT JUST MAKES IT LESS SUSCEPTIBLE OF EXPLOITATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
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I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO, UM, THE NEXT PARTY ON THE COUNCIL. 
          DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M GONNA REPEAT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING THIS URGENCY ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALTER THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF THE EXISTING RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE. 
          IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT, NOR DOES IT ATTEMPT TO LOWER THE ALLOWABLE RENT INCREASES. 
          RATHER, IT RESPONDS TO CLEAR EFFORTS BY MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS TO CIRCUMVENT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. 
          ITS PURPOSE IS TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES AND ENSURE THE INTENT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS UPHELD REGARDING CLAIMS THAT PARK OWNERS HAVE HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD. 
          WELL, THIS IS A FULLY PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          WE MEET ON THE FIRST AND THIRD MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH. 
          THOSE MEETINGS ARE PUBLICLY NOTICED. 
          PARK OWNERS HAVE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND, PARTICIPATE, AND SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THEM FAILING TO PASS. 
          THIS ORDINANCE WILL ONLY EMBOLDEN THE PARK OWNERS. 
          I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING HARDBALL WITH YOU GUYS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW AND IT'S PRETTY BAD. 
          UM, AND I DON'T LIKE IT. 
          AND SO WHAT THEY JUST DID JUST TODAY, THEY SAID, OKAY, UM, NOW THEY'VE DECIDED TO PLAY HARDBALL WITH US, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA THROW $5 MILLION AT YOU IN LEGAL LEGAL CONTEST. 
          THEY JUST THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET AT US, AND I SAY, THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GONNA PICK IT UP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE ONE THING I, UM, THAT WASN'T WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET ADDED IN, WHAT WAS A COMMENT THAT, UH, IT STOPPED, MAYBE NOT HERE, BUT AT SOME POINT THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE TRYING TO BE LOADED ONTO THE, UM, THE UNIT OWNERS RATHER THAN, UH, FOR THE LAND. 
          SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THIS TIME, BUT AT SOME POINT, LET'S, LET'S WORK ON THAT, MAKE SURE THAT GETS CLEARED UP SO THAT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. 
          UM, THAT, THAT IS, AND THIS IS, THAT IS ADDRESSED COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          YEP. 
          SO IF, IF ANYTHING, ANY COSTS THAT THE PARK OWNERS PASS ON TO THE RESIDENTS, THEY CAN'T TREAT AS AN OPERATING COST. 
          SO, SO IT IS PART OF IT. 
          YES. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT, YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY, WE CAN FIGHT FOR THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AND THEY SAID THIS IS GROUND ZERO, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, NATIONAL ATTENTION IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAID IN THE EMAIL TO US. 
          AND SO, YEAH, SO WE ARE GROUND ZERO. 
          LET'S BE GROUND ZERO AND LET'S BE PROUD OF IT. 
          SO, UM, AND IT SAYS, IF YOU, IF THEY'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE, LET'S NEGOTIATE FROM STRENGTH, LET'S NEGOTIATE FROM, HEY, WE'RE GOING HERE AND, AND YEAH, NOW LET'S TALK AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE HAD TO COME FROM STRENGTH, NOT FROM WEAKNESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO FOR THIS. 
          AND THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ASK IS THAT WE ALSO ASK THE OTHER CITIES TO JOIN US IN THIS FIGHT SINCE WE'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. 
          I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, QUITE A FEW GOOD COMMENTS, UH, ON THE DI TONIGHT. 
          QUITE A GOOD DIALOGUE. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE AND SHARING STORIES BECAUSE THAT SHOWS IT'S NOT JUST BUSINESS, IT'S PEOPLE. 
          AND, AND SO WITH THAT, I, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE PEOPLE CAN BE INTIMIDATED. 
          THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE INTIMIDATED. 
          WE SHOULD BE TAKING A STRONG, STRONG POSITION, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE COMES AT A COST. 
          BUT IT'S ONLY WHEN THERE'S A COST THAT YOU LEARN WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE. 
          AND FOR THAT, UH, WE ARE WITH YOU EVEN THOUGH WE UNDERSTAND ACROSS THE CITY. 
          AND OF COURSE WE UNDERSTAND THE COST THAT'S ON, ON YOUR PLATE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I THINK I HEARD A, A CALL FOR MOTION DOWN HERE. 
          SO YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS GONNA PASS AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, AND, AND THAT IT'S GOING TO COME INTO EFFECT EITHER TONIGHT AND WE'RE GONNA SAVE THESE PEOPLE MONEY AND ATTORNEY'S FEES, OR IT'S NOT. 
          AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU VOTE YES, YOU CAN VOTE NO ON THE REGULAR ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, ON THE SECOND READING IF YOU WANT. 
          BUT THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS A REALLY, THIS IS REAL MONEY THAT WILL COME INTO EFFECT. 
          UM, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE, LIKE IT'S FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH, FOR THEIR WALLETS. 
          AND I, I HOPE THAT YOU VOTE YES, PLEASE FIRST. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          I'VE, I'VE MADE MY DECISION. 
          UM, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          I DON'T, OKAY, SO FIRST THERE ARE GONNA BE TWO ACTIONS TAKEN TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND SO THE FIRST, I BELIEVE THE MOTION BY BARNACLE IS FOR THE URGENCY ORDINANCE TONIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S A SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. 
          AND A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON, YES. 
          TO CARLY? YES. 
          NOW, 
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YES. 
          QUINT, YES. 
          SHRIVES, YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BUT, UH, LET'S, YOU KNOW, UH, SO THEN I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE THE SECOND MOTION, WHICH IS FOR THE FIRST READING OF A REGULAR ORDINANCE ON THIS FROM CATER THOMPSON, CORRECT? SECOND, AND THE SECOND IS FROM VICE MAYOR NOW. 
          AND MAY WE HAVE A, A, A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          BAR AYE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          YES. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          DID CARLY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE YOU GUYS GET TO GO HOME BEFORE MIDNIGHT AND WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM, SO, OH, NO, I KNOW I DON'T SHAKE THIS. 
          CARLY, THANK YOU FOR SURPRISING. 
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S TRY AND GET, UH, THE MEETING STARTED AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE ARE 
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 Receive, Review, Approve and Adopt FY24-25 Annual Military Equipment Use Report and Renew Ordinance No. 2859 N.C.S., which Approved Petaluma Police Department’s Military Equipment Funding, Acquisition, and Use Policy 709, (Use Policy) and Policy 613 Pertaining to Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) and Unmanned Ground Vehicles (UGV) in Compliance with California Assembly Bill 481 (AB 481)]
BACK FOR ITEM 11, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE REVIEW, APPROVE AND ADOPT THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24 25 ANNUAL MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE REPORT AND TO RENEW THE ORDINANCE, UH, 2 8 5 9, WHICH PROVE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S MILITARY EQUIPMENT FUNDING, ACQUISITION, AND USE POLICY 7 0 9 AND POLICY SIX 13 PERTAINING TO UNMANNED AERIAL SYSTEMS AND UNMANNED UNMANNED GROUND VEHICLES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY BILL 4 81. 
          AND TO HELP US WITH THIS, WE HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE HAVE OUR POLICE CHIEF MILLER, DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF NICK MCGOWAN, AND LIEUTENANT GARRETT AVIANO. 
          SO, UH, PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, AND CITY STAFF AS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS LIEUTENANT GARRETT LAVIANO. 
          I'M THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION LIEUTENANT FOR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, A ROBUST PRESENTATION OF, OF THIS ITEM WAS, UH, PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON JUNE 25TH. 
          AND, AND DUE TO THE TIME OF NIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE BRIEFED WITH OUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. 
          UH, SO THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS INTENDED TO BE A REVIEW OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE REPORT AND OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO THE USE OF OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WHILE SEEKING RENEWAL OF ORDINANCE 2, 8, 5 9 AND DEPARTMENT POLICY 7 0 9. 
          UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE PASSED AB 41. 
          THE BILL WAS IN EFFORT TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THE OVERSIGHT ON THE ACQUISITION AND USE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT AMONGST THE REQUIREMENTS WAS A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ANNUAL REPORT TO THE GOVERNING BODY. 
          A DRAFT OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 25 ANNUAL REPORT WAS PUBLISHED ON JUNE 19TH IN ADVANCE OF OUR JUNE 25TH PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          DURING THAT MEETING, PSAC MEMBERS PROVIDED FEEDBACK, WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THE FINAL REPORT, WHICH WAS PUBLISHED ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE ON JULY 3RD. 
          ONE OF THE POINTS OF EMPHASIS FROM THE PSAC C MEMBERS WAS THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE PUBLIC PERCEPTION BASED ON THE TERM MILITARY EQUIPMENT IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          THE DEPARTMENT ONLY POSSESSES TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR AND OBTAINED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THOSE BEING OUR TWO ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS. 
          THE REMAINDER OF THE EQUIPMENT WAS DESIGNED FOR AND IS COMMONLY USED BY MUNICIPAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND IN SOME CASES, SUCH AS OUR DRONE EQUIPMENT, IT IS COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TERMS SUCH AS MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND UNMANNED AERIAL SYSTEMS ARE USED IN THE REPORT DUE TO THEM BEING USED AND DEFINED BY THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE. 
          THE DEPARTMENT HAS ESTABLISHED A WEBPAGE 
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LOCATED IN OUR, ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE. 
          IN THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL SECTION TITLED SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT. 
          THE PAGE PROVIDES INFORMATION RELATED TO AB 41 AND INCLUDES THE ANNUAL REPORT. 
          THE DEPARTMENT HAS CREATED AN EMAIL FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WISH TO PROVIDE CONCERNS, COMPLAINTS, OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT. 
          AND DURING THIS REPORTING PERIOD, THERE WERE NO POLICY VIOLATIONS OR COMMUNITY MEMBER COMPLAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT. 
          THE DEPARTMENT'S USAGE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 24 WAS LARGELY DUE TO THREE SPECIFIC INCIDENTS INVOLVING THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, WHICH WERE SUMMARIZED IN LAST YEAR'S REPORT. 
          IN FISCAL YEAR 25, OUR CRISIS RESPON RESPONSE TEAM WAS NOT UTILIZED. 
          THE DEPARTMENT HAD SEVERAL INCIDENTS AND INVESTIGATIONS DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, WHICH WERE HEADING TOWARDS THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM. 
          HOWEVER, THE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO RESOLVE THEM BEFORE THEY REACHED THE LEVEL OF NEEDING THE SPECIALIZED TEAM AND EQUIPMENT. 
          EXAMPLES OF SUCH INCIDENTS INCLUDE THE ARREST OF AN ARMED CARJACKING SUSPECT, A BARRICADED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SUSPECT, WHO WAS ARMED WITH A RIFLE, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT, AND AN ADULT SON WHO HELD HIS ELDERLY MOTHER CAPTIVE FOR SEVERAL HOURS. 
          DESPITE THE LACK OF USE, THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEPARTMENT DUE TO THEIR ABILITY TO RESOLVE COMPLEX TACTICAL PROBLEMS. THE DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZES THE RESPONSIBILITY TO USE THE TEAM AND THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT ONLY WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANT THEIR USE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          IN THIS YEAR'S REPORT, ONE INCIDENT WHERE A BEANBAG SHOTGUN WAS USED AS, AS DESCRIBED, THE INCIDENT INVOLVED THE ARREST OF A VIOLENT SUSPECT WHO HAD A WARRANT FOR ASSAULTING HIS 6-YEAR-OLD MOTHER. 
          AND UPON OFFICERS ATTEMPTING TO TAKE HIM INTO CUSTODY, HE RESISTED ARRESTS AND CHALLENGED OFFICERS TO FIGHT. 
          DURING THE INCIDENT, THE SUSPECT WAS SHOT TWICE IN THE LEG WITH A BEANBAG ROUND. 
          HE WAS ULTIMATELY ARRESTED AFTER A SIGNIFICANT STRUGGLE WITH MULTIPLE OFFICERS, AND BOTH THE SUSPECT AND OFFICERS SUSTAINED MINOR INJURIES AS A RESULT OF THE INCIDENT. 
          THIS REPRESENTS THE ONLY ACTUAL USE OF FORCE UTILIZING A MILITARY EQUIPMENT DURING THIS RATING PERIOD. 
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          DURING THIS REPORTING PERIOD, THE DEPARTMENT'S DRONE TEAM BECAME FULLY OPERATIONAL, WHICH REFLECTS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES BETWEEN THIS REPORT AND THE ONES THAT PROCEEDED IT. 
          DURING FISCAL YEAR 25, THE DEPARTMENT DEPLOYED ITS DRONES 21 TIMES WITH THE MOST COMMON USAGE INVOLVING, UH, ATTEMPTING TO LOCATE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SUSPECTED OF COMMITTING A CRIME AND FLED FROM OFFICERS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS, THIS CHART DE UH, THE CHART DEPICTED ON THIS SLIDE OUTLINES THE FISCAL IMPACT OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT ON THE DEPARTMENT'S. 
          ANNUAL BUDGET COST RELATED TO THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT REPRESENT LESS THAN 1% OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET. 
          THE REPORT FURTHER BREAKS DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT PRICES PER UNIT, COMBINED COST RELATED TO TRAINING, MAINTENANCE UPGRADES IN OTHER ONGOING COSTS. 
          THE LARGEST EXPENSE WAS RELATED TO THE STORAGE OF OUR TWO ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS AND MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE. 
          AS THE CITY HAS LEASED 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR STORAGE SPACE ADJACENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH HOUSES NOT ONLY THIS EQUIPMENT BUT A BOAT, DUI TRAILER, EOC TRAILER, A TRANSPORT BUS, AND OTHER CITY OWNED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, THE TOTAL COST OF THE LEASE, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE REPORT, IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE ACTUAL COST TO STORE JUST THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE DEPARTMENT IS NOT ASKING TO PUR PURCHASE ADDITIONAL NEW EQUIPMENT DURING THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, AND THERE ARE NO REQUESTS FOR POLICY CHANGES. 
          THE DEPARTMENT IS SEEKING CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR CONTINUED USE OF ALL AUTHORIZED MILITARY EQUIPMENT IDENTIFIED IN THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED MILITARY EQUIPMENT FUNDING, ACQUISITION AND USE POLICY. 
          AND WITH THAT, THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M GONNA FLIP IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT IF I COULD. 
          AND I THINK I'LL GO DIRECTLY TO PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT THEN WE CAN COMBINE QUESTION AND, AND COMMENT HERE. 
          PLEASE. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING. 
          UH, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CARDS, BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, NOW'S THE MOMENT. 
          WE'LL TIE IT TO SPEAK . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM FOR, FOR THE EVENING AND, UH, LIKE TO BRING IT BACK UP. 
          UH, COUNSEL, ANYBODY, UH, WHO WANT, AND, UM, I, I WANT TO NOTE THE, UM, VICE MAYOR AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT GROUP. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE LONG FORM VERSION THAT YOU PROVIDED, UH, THERE. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT ALL OUR NUMBERS ARE DOWN FOR THE YEAR. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A, UH, PRETTY GOOD DAY. 
          UM, AND, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, OKAY, THERE IS COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS. 
          OH, JUST A, A COMMENT THEN. 
          AND JUST THANK YOU FOR VERY RESERVED USE OF THE EQUIPMENT. 
          YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, EVERYTHING AND IS SPOT ON. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALL PROCEDURES AND YOU SEEM TO BE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB WITH ALL THIS EQUIPMENT AND HOW YOU'RE USING IT. 
          IT'D BE NICE 
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EVENTUALLY YOU GET STORED OVER AT THE FAIRGROUNDS INSTEAD OF COSTING US SO MUCH. 
          MAYBE WE'LL SAVE MONEY THERE. 
          UH, BUT I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, THESE PRACTICES AND USING THESE TOOLS AS, AS YOU ARE DOING SO ACCORDING TO POLICY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE MOTION AND, AND ACCEPT THE REPORT. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A, A MOTION FROM SHRIVES AND A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. 
          AND I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          I WAS CON A A LITTLE ASKING FOR A LITTLE CLARITY ON THE, UH, THE, THE WEAPONS THAT I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER LESS THAN 1%, UH, OF BUDGET COST IS, IS FOR, UH, THESE TYPE OF, UH, TOOLS. 
          AND, UM, IS THERE AN ASSOCIATED TRAINING, UH, UM, BUDGET THERE? DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE THAT, THAT, UH, NUMBER HOW MUCH THE BUDGET, UH, THE TRAINING EFFORT REQUIRED? YEAH, SO THE, SO THE OVERALL COST, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 1%, THAT INCLUDES THE TRAINING BUDGET, THE TRAINING BUDGET IS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, UH, WHICH EQUATES TO, UH, $26,000. 
          AND THAT GETS MOST, EVERY, MOST EVERYBODY HAS TRAINING ON YEAH. 
          SOME OF THIS LEVELS OF YEAH, EQUIPMENT. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THE EQUIPMENT IS, IS, IS STRICTLY FOR THE USE OF OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM OR OUR, OR OUR SWAT TEAM MEMBERS. 
          SO THE MA UM, THE TRAINING IS REALLY REFLECTED IN, IN THEIR, IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, UM, OF THE MILITARY VEHICLE. 
          THOSE WERE OUR PEOPLE NEXT TO THEM. 
          YES, THAT'S SPECIALTY GEAR. 
          I, I HAVEN'T HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SEEING. 
          AND ACTION. 
          UM, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND AND A COMMENT, JUST A QUICK ONE. 
          UM, THANK YOU MCGOWAN AND LAVIA FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COOL. 
          OKAY, THEN, UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          GATOR THOMPSON? YES. 
          DI CARLY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          SHRIVES? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          PLEASE DON'T LET THE BREVITY OF THIS ITEM WITH A LATE HOUR CONFUSE YOU ABOUT HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT MOVES 
          [12.
 Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Submit an Amended Resolution for the (2) Grant Agreements with Danco Communities and Sonoma Marin Area Rail Transit for Funding through the Affordable Housing and Sustainable Communities (AHSC) Program for the Meridian at Petaluma North Station Affordable Housing Project located at 890 North McDowell Boulevard and finding that the authorization to amend the AHSC grant agreement does not create a physical change in the environment and is therefore not a project under CEQA Guidelines Section 15378]
          [13.
 Resolution Amending Resolution Nos. 2014-036 N.C.S. Setting City Facilities Development Impact Fees, 2014-037 N.C.S. Setting Park Land Development Impact Fees, 2014-038 N.C.S. Setting Non-Quimby Act Park Land Acquisition Fees, 2014-039 N.C.S. Setting Open Space Land Acquisition Fees, and 2016-076 N.C.S. Setting Traffic Development Impact Fees, to Provide a Loan Option for Payment of the Fees for Certain City-Supported Affordable Housing Projects Resolution Applying Resolution No. 2025- XXX N.C.S., Adopted on August 4, 2025, Regarding Loan Option for Payment of the Fees for Certain City-Supported Affordable Housing Project to Danco’s Meridian at Petaluma North Station Affordable Housing Project]
US TO OUR, UM, MODIFIED AGENDA, ITEMS 1213 AL TOGETHER AND IT'S A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT AN AMENDED RESOLUTION FOR GRANT AGREEMENTS WITH DANCO COMMUNITIES IN SONOMA, MARIN WITH SMART, UH, AND ALSO A RESOLUTION AMENDING PRIOR RESOLUTION 20 14 0 36, SETTING CITY FACILITY DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT FEES AND, AND OTHER ASSOCIATED FEES. 
          UM, AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, TO HELP US OUT TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UM, UM, ANOTHER, UH, ALL STAR TEAM, UH, UH, WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BRIAN O AND OUR HOUSING MANAGER, KAREN ZU. 
          SO THANKS, UH, ALL FOR BEING HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, AND STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, THREE ITEMS TO PRESENT TO YOU, UM, THAT ARE ALL KIND OF CONNECTED WITH ONE OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS WE, UM, HAVE AN A RES A RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU AFFORDING, UH, UH, MODIFYING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES, UM, RESOLUTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE PETALUMA DEFERRED IMPACT FEE LOAN PROGRAM, AND OUR LAST ITEM WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DANKO COMMUNITIES PROGRAM APPLICATION FOR THE DEFERRED IMPACT LOAN FEES. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO TO MOVE THROUGH THE, UM, AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT, WE'VE, WE'RE KIND OF COMBINING THE, UH, TWO ITEMS, ITEM NUMBER 12 AND 13 TOGETHER. 
          SO I'M GONNA START WITH JUST A HIGH LEVEL PROJECT OVERVIEW OF THE MERIDIAN AT PETALUMA NORTH STATION, AN INTRODUCTION TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, INTRODUCTION TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, ITEM 13 A AND 13 B. 
          AND THAT WILL THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO, UH, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF ALL THREE OF THOSE ITEMS BEFORE YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE PROJECT FEATURES, UM, I'M GONNA ABBREVIATE SOME OF MY PRESENTATION AS WELL DUE TO THE LATE, LATE HOUR, BUT WE DO ALSO DO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU. 
          SO THE PROJECT FEATURES, WE HAVE 131 AFFORDABLE, UM, UNITS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE UNITS, WE HAVE A SIZABLE COMMUNITY ROOM, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES A COMMUNITY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A COMMUNITY GARDEN, A TOT LOT PLAYGROUND, AND A DOG RUN AS COMMUNITY ENTITIES. 
          THOSE UNITS WILL BE TARGETED TO HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE AT OR BELOW, UM, 80% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME. 
          AND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE DO HAVE 33 UNITS DESIGNATED FOR SUPPO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH ARE SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, THAT ARE UNHOUSED OR HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY UNHOUSED. 
          THE 
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PROJECT WILL ALSO INCLUDE ONSITE CASE MANAGEMENT AND SUPPORT SERVICES, NOT ONLY FOR THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS, BUT FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT TIMELINE. 
          UM, THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED UNDER STATE STREAMLINING PROVISIONS. 
          UM, THE CITY HOUSING TEAM IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UM, DANCO ON FINALIZING THE ITEMS THAT'LL BE REQUIRED TO ISSUE THEIR BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN CLOSING. 
          UM, WE ANTICIPATE CLOSING THAT LOAN DEPENDING ON THE COUNCIL ITEMS TONIGHT, THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST AND CONSTRUCTION TO ON THE PROJECT TO START IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT. 
          AND WE ANTICIPATE THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED AND, AND BEING LEASED UP BY LATE SPRING SUMMER OF 2027. 
          THE PROJECT FUNDING SOURCES, UH, WE HAVE THE THREE DIFFERENT MAJOR FUNDING SOURCES THERE. 
          CITY OF PETALUMA COMMITTED $2 MILLION IN FUNDING, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT LATER THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THE HCD UM, HAS FUNDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES FINAL AWARD IN AN AMOUNT OF, I'M GONNA ROUND UP ABOUT $29 MILLION. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO, THEY ALSO HAVE TAX CREDIT ALLOCATION PROGRAM, AWARD OF TAX CREDITS, UM, OF, UH, $48.6 MILLION. 
          THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS ARE, UM, I'M ROUNDING UP, BUT $109 MILLION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          BRIEF INTRODUCTION, UH, TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED BY STRATEGIC GROWTH COUNCIL, UM, BY CALIFORNIA HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE, THE FOCUS OF THE PROGRAM WAS DEVELOP AND HELP REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY SUPPORTING THE INTEGRATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ON THE GRANT TIMELINE. 
          UM, A NOTICE OF FUNDING WAS PUBLISHED FOR THE SEVENTH ROUND ON JANUARY 30TH. 
          APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED BY APRIL 4TH, AND THE CITY RE RECEIVED A NOTICE OF FUNDING AWARD FROM HCD ON SEPTEMBER, 2023. 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS SOME DETAIL IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          I WAS GONNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, UM, THE ITEMS THAT ARE COVERED WITH THE GRANT AND THE LOAN FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE DETAILS ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT A AND B ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION. 
          I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          UM, RECENTLY DURING THE, UM, IN JUNE OF 2024 WHILE IN THE, UH, LOAN UNDERWRITING PROCESS, HCD REVIEWED THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION AND REQUESTED, UM, THAT WE MAKE SOME UPDATES TO THAT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR HCD IN THE FINAL UNDERWRITING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT APPROVED RESOLUTIONS AND ASK FOR UPDATES. 
          UM, WHAT THEY ASKED IS THAT WE, UM, UPDATE THE RESOLUTION TO DEMONSTRATE, UM, THAT THE LOAN STANDARD AGREEMENT WOULD BE FOR $20 MILLION AND THAT THE GRANT STANDARD AGREEMENT, UM, WOULD BE REDUCED TO $8,929,000 IN $840. 
          THAT GRANT FUNDING ACTUALLY INCLUDES THE FUNDING, UH, GRANT FUNDING THAT COMES TO THE CITY DANCO AND SMART AND IS, UM, USED TO COVER THOSE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS AGAIN THAT I MENTIONED, UM, THAT ARE ATTACHED AS EXHIBITS TO THE RESOLUTION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          NEXT ITEM IS AN INTRODUCTION TO AGENDA ITEM 13 A AMENDING THE EXISTING CITY RESOLUTION THAT PROVIDES FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES TO BE INAPPLICABLE TO QUALIFIED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          WHAT STAFF IS DOING HERE IS, UM, WE'RE REQUESTING COUNSEL TO CONSIDER AMENDING THAT RESOLUTION IN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TOOL OR AN OPTION FOR QUALIFIED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS TO INSTEAD OF NOT PAY THE FEES, BUT HAVE A TOOL WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UM, STRUCTURE THE DEAL WHERE THOSE, UM, IMPACT FEES ARE TAKEN AS A LONGER TERM LOAN. 
          UM, SOME OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE THE LOAN, UM, ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS MUST BE DEED RESTRICTED FOR 55 YEARS, SERVE LOW INCOME HOUSING AND PROVIDE ON SERVICE, UH, SUPPORT SYSTEMS. UM, THE LOAN TERMS, THE, UM, LOAN TERMS, THE WAY IT'S STAYED IN THE RESOLUTION IS IT'S DEFERRED AND ACCRUES. 
          SIMPLE INTEREST THAT'S TIED TO THE CITY'S INVESTMENT RATE. 
          UM, AND REPAYMENT OF THE, OF THE LOAN IS FORMALIZED VIA LOAN DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING A PROMISSORY NOTE AND DEED OF TRUST SUBJECT TO CITY ATTORNEY RE UH, APPROVAL. 
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OKAY. 
          BENEFITS. 
          UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, OFFERS AN, AN ALTERNATIVE FOR PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT FROM THE CITY SUPPORTING AS A RECOVERABLE LOAN, ENHANCING FINANCIAL LEVERAGE AND ACCESSING EQUITY FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          HOW IT BENEFITS THE CITY IS IT HELPS THE CITY PRESERVE ITS LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING, WHILE ENCOURAGING THE PRODUCTION OF DEEPLY AFFORDABLE AND SUPPORTIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          NEXT ITEM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, WHAT THIS IS IS, UH, PENDING, UM, THE APPROVAL AND CONSIDERATION OF IT, I ITEM NUMBER 13 A, UM, IN THE FINAL STAGES OF WORKING ON CLOSING THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN. 
          AND IN THE PROCESS OF THE FINAL REVIEW, THE DEVELOPER, UM, REALIZED THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT AND THEY REQUESTED THE IMPACT FEES BE BOOKED AS A DEFERRED LOAN AT 2% SIMPLE INTEREST AND DO IN A, WITH A 21 YEAR TERM JUST IN INAPPLICABLE. 
          THE REASON THE DEVELOPER'S ASKING FOR THIS IS IT TIES INTO HOW THEY HAVE, UM, THEIR FINANCING, FINANCING STRUCTURE FOR THE PROJECT AND THEIR LONGER TERM CAPITAL STACK. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, MACKENZIE DIBEL, WHO'S HUNG IN WITH US. 
          SHE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER AND I BELIEVE SHE'S, UM, ON, UM, ATTENDING VIA ZOOM IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CAPITAL STACK. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, UH, PENDING THE APPROVAL OF ITEM 13 A, IT WOULD ALLOW DEFERRED PAYMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES FOR OPEN SPACE CITY FACILITIES, NON QUI BIAC PARKLAND ACQUISITION AND TRAFFIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. 
          THE LOAN AMOUNT THAT THAT IS STATED WOULD BE $3,044,702 SET AT THE SIMPLE INTEREST RATE OF 2% PER YEAR OVER A 20 YEAR TERM. 
          THE TOTAL IN INTEREST THAT'S ESTIMATED TO BE EARNED ON THAT DEFERRED LOAN IS $1.28 MILLION. 
          THAT FUNDING WOULD BE ROLLED OVER THAT WHEN THAT LOAN IS MATURE IN DUE IN 21 YEARS, THE CITY WOULD REP BE REPAID THE 3 MILLION PLUS. 
          IN ADDITION, THE $1.28 MILLION IS HOW THE PROGRAM WOULD WORK. 
          THE PROMISSORY NOTE IS SECURED, UH, BY AN AMENDED RESTATED DEED OF TRUST. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD, IT'S ALSO BEEN, UM, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL, IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S APPROVED AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOAN AGREEMENT. 
          WHY IT MATTERS THE FOR CONSIDERATION, IT PROVIDES THE DEVELOPER THE FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CRITICAL, UM, AFFORDABLE AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          IT PRESERVES THE CITY'S LONG-TERM IMPACT FEE REVENUE THROUGH A STRUCTURED REPAYMENT MECHANISM. 
          IT REINFORCES PETALUMA'S COMMITMENT TO DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT PROVIDES A TOOL FOR THE FINANCING REQUIRED TO SUPPORT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN CLOSING ON THE PROJECT. 
          AND WITH THAT, UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THE TIME TO DO THE BRIEF PRESENTATION AND MYSELF, BRIAN O ERIC DANLEY, UH, COREY IS HERE WITH US FROM FINANCE, AND MACKENZIE DIBEL WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, NOTHING WRONG WITH A BRIEF PRESENTATION EVEN ON COMPLEX FINANCIAL MATTERS. 
          UM, AND LET'S, UH, FOLLOW THAT SAME PATTERN WE HAD WHERE, LET'S GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AHEAD OF TIME, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CARDS GOING ONCE GOING TO, AND NOT SEEING ANYONE MOVING TO THE DIOCESE. 
          WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, WHICH ALLOWS COUNSEL TO BOTH QUESTION AND COMMENT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK O ONE QUESTION AND, UH, THAT IS THE ITEM 13. 
          SO, UM, AT SOME POINT WE, UH, WE DIDN'T WAIVE, WHAT DID WE DO TO THE IMPACT FEES? WE, IT, WE, WE SET UP A METHOD WHERE IT WASN'T GONNA BE CHARGED TO A A THING. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO THE MORE BENEFICIAL TRANSACTION THAN THE ONE WE THOUGHT UP ORIGINALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, UH, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE, UM, INITIAL RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2022. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BRINGING IT FOR YOU TONIGHT IS WE'RE AMENDING IT AND ADDING ANOTHER OPTION WHERE INSTEAD OF THE FEES JUST BEING IN INAPPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT, THE DEVELOPER CAN HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, CHOOSE TO, UM, FINANCE THOSE THROUGH A, A DEFERRED LONG-TERM LOAN. 
          AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE, UM, DO IT THE OLD WAY, RIGHT? THE, THE EXISTING WAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SYSTEM. 
          YES, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS AS 
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SO WE KNOW THAT DOES WORK AS WELL AS, YEAH, BURBANK HOUSING, MID PEN, SEVERAL HAVE. 
          SO THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS TO PROVIDE A LOAN. 
          AND, UM, MY QUESTION IS ON THE LOAN PROCEEDS, WHEN IT MONEY RETURNS TO THE, THE CITY, UH, DOES IT GO TO GENERAL FUND, DOES IT GO TO IMPACT FEES ON A PROPORTIONAL BASIS? THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TRACKS, WE HAVE SEVERAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOANS, BUT UM, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD BOOK IT. 
          SO WHEN THOSE, UM, WHEN THAT LOAN IS PAID BACK, IT WOULD GO INTO THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS, UM, BASED ON WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND THE ACCRUED INTEREST. 
          SO IT GOES BACK INTO THE, THE, UM, FACILITIES IMPACT FEE. 
          IT GOES BACK INTO THE, UM, QUIMBEE FEES IS THAT AND, AND THE WHOLE COLLECTION. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND, UM, UH, PROPORTIONAL TO INTEREST, PROPORTIONAL TO PAYMENTS. 
          AND, UM, SO THEN DO, DO, UM, DO WE HAVE A VAST COLLECTION OF LOANS THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF? AND UM, ARE WE GOOD AT STAYING ON TOP OF LOAN COLLECTION? YES, WE, UM, ACTUALLY IN A CONVERSATION WITH THE, UM, CORY EARLIER TODAY, SHE SAID WE HAVE ABOUT 35 LOANS THAT WE CURRENTLY KEEP TRACK OF. 
          ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT LOAN TERMS, BUT, UM, HOUSING WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH FINANCE ON TRACKING THE COMPLIANCE ON THAT. 
          AND PART OF THAT IS WE REVIEW ANNUAL AUDITS ON THOSE PROPERTIES TO KEEP TRACK OF, UM, THE LOAN BALANCES AND SURPLUS CASH FLOW AND MANY OTHER THINGS TO DO ON THOSE DEALS. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I REALIZE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP TRACK OF, UH, WHO OWES US RATHER THAN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THERE'S SOMEWHAT LESS COMMITMENT ON THE OTHER PERSON'S PART, UH, CONCERN THAN ON OURS. 
          AND SO I'M GLAD THAT WE TRACK REAL WELL ON THAT. 
          ANYONE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, UM, JUST TO BE, UH, A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON THE, THIS PROCESS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH FOLKS THAT MAY BE LISTENING, UM, TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, , UM, ANYWAY, THE, UM, THE SORT OF, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS, UM, UH, FEES DON'T GET PAID NOW. 
          UM, THE FEES USUALLY GET PAID TO COMPENSATE FOR WORK. 
          EITHER WORK WE'RE DOING OR WORK WE CONSTRUCTION WORK OR ADVICE WORK OR DESIGN WORK OR, OR SUPPORT WORK THAT WE DO. 
          SO MONEY WOULD NORMALLY PAY STAFF, UM, TO DO WORK, UM, FOR THESE FEES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHY THE PURPOSE OF FEES IS TO GET SOMETHING DONE, BUT WE'RE GONNA STILL DO THAT WORK, BUT THEY DON'T GET CHARGED NOW IT'S JUST A DEFERRED PAYMENT LATER, UM, IS HOW IT WOULD WORK. 
          BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO THOSE THINGS. 
          WHICH, UM, DO WE HAVE THAT, SO THERE'S TWO, TWO PARTS TO THIS. 
          SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE BASICALLY KIND OF THE DELAYING GETTING PAID ON IT, IS THAT LARGE AMOUNTS, AT LEAST $3 MILLION WORTH, UM, WITHIN OUR BUDGET. 
          WE STILL HAVE TO GET THAT WORK DONE, WHICH IS ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR NORMAL CI TPI. 
          UM, SO DOES THAT REALLY IMPACT OUR BUDGET AND, AND FINANCES AT ALL? AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF IT IS FOR ALL THESE LOANS, 35 OF THEM NOW, AND THIS IS OCCLUDED, I THINK I'VE GOT BEEN ONE WHERE WE ACTUALLY DEFERRED IT. 
          IT JUST, IT JUST FOLDS OVER AND WAITS TILL SOMEONE BUYS OR, OR SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEN WE GET PAID BACK IN THE END. 
          BUT SOMETIMES IF SOMEBODY GOES BANKRUPT, WE MAY NEVER GET IT BACK AND THEN RESALE BACK WHATEVER BANKS GET AHEAD OF US MAYBE, OR UNLESS WE'RE FIRST IN LINE OR SECOND IN LINE, THIRD IN LINE. 
          SO AT THE TAIL END, UM, HOW MANY OF THESE 35 LOANS OUT, DO WE ACTUALLY GET THE FULL AMOUNT PAID BACK TO US ON TIME RATHER THAN FOLDING IT OVER? AND IS THAT GONNA BE THE CASE HERE? IS THIS GONNA CONTINUOUSLY FOLD OVER AND WE'LL NEVER SEE THE MONEY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS? OR WILL WE ACTUALLY GET PAID AT, AT A CERTAIN POINT 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S DUE, WHICH IS A LONG TIME? OKAY, SO GOOD QUESTION. 
          THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS BAKED IN THERE, SO I'LL ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WHAT'S NOW, THREE YEARS AGO IT WAS A REDUCTION IMPACT FEES. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA DISTINGUISH BETWEEN, UH, PERMIT FEES THAT I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN YOU'RE, UM, THINKING ABOUT, UH, STAFFING AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY, UM, REVIEW AND STAFFING. 
          AND SO THIS IS DIRECTLY, THIS IS VERY MUCH SPECIFIC TO IMPACT FEE REDUCTION. 
          AND SO THAT WAS A MODEL AND IT STILL IS A MODEL THAT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          IT GETS US, UH, NEW HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THERE'S HOUSING PROJECTS, ELIGIBLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE EXPECT, UM, WILL CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM THE FEE REDUCTION, THE IMPACT FEE REDUCTION. 
          UM, THIS ADDS, UH, WHAT WE'RE FINDING, UM, WITH THE DANKO PROJECT IS, UM, SPECIFICALLY THEY NEED TO RAISE THE, BASICALLY THEY NEED TO SHOW LENDERS THAT, UM, THERE IS A HIGHER, UM, THERE'S A LOCAL MATCH THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, A LOCAL MATCH THAT, UM, OKAY, LET ME RESTATE THAT. 
          THE HIGHER 
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THE LOCAL MATCH, THE MORE MONEY THEY'RE ABLE TO SECURE THROUGH THE TAX, UM, CREDIT PROGRAM AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          AND SO THIS WAS MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO AGO THAT COUNCIL, UM, HAD THE TOUGHER HEARING, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          SO THIS IS TIED TOGETHER. 
          AND SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THEY'RE FOREGOING IS THEIR, UM, FEE REDUCTION, UM, AND THEY'RE SEEING THIS AS MORE ADVANTAGEOUS. 
          SO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO PAY INTO THE FEES. 
          UH, WE'RE PROTRACTING THAT OVER 21 YEARS. 
          UM, THE 21 YEARS, UM, IS NOT A MADE UP NUMBER. 
          I THINK THERE'S PREFERENCE IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          UM, THAT'S, UH, TYPICALLY THE TIME WHEN, UM, UM, THE DEVELOPER WOULD GO AND REFINANCE. 
          SO IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, UM, THE CAPITAL STACK. 
          UM, AND SO THEY SEE THIS AS A BENEFIT. 
          SO WE WOULD EXPECT, UM, OTHERS TO, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, UM, AND SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, UM, AND THE, THE BOOK ABUNDANCE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE RE REMOVE SOME OF THE LEVERS AND THE, UM, THE CHECKPOINTS TO ACTUALLY FACILITATE HOUSING? AND SO WE FEEL THIS IS ONE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE BEING NIMBLE. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE ON A BIT OF A TIMELINE AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HUSTLING, UM, AT 1230 TO GET THIS DONE. 
          UM, SO IT GETS DOWN TO, WE'LL, UM, THERE'S STILL WORK THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE'RE DOING A FEES, YOU ONLY PAY FOR SOMETHING TO GET DONE BY US, THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO THINGS. 
          THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT DISTINCTION TO BE MADE. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL ALL FEES TO GET STUFF DONE ARE COST RECOVERY AND PAID, BUT, AND ALL IMPACT FEES WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE GO TO CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. 
          A PARK FEE, RIGHT ROAD FEE, WE STILL HAVE TO COVER ALL THAT. 
          THOSE AREN'T PROJECTS. 
          THOSE, THOSE ARE FUND BALANCES. 
          WE DRAW PROJECTS OUT OF. 
          SO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, SO THESE ARE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PAID FOR, OR THESE ARE FEES PAID FOR THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN THEY PAY INTO THE COUGH FIELD CROSSING TRAFFIC IMPACT OR THEY PAY, UM, THEY PAY FOR PARKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LET ME TRY TO BE CLEAR. 
          UM, WE ARE DOING WORK, WE'RE GETTING THINGS, WE'RE GONNA GET THINGS DONE, BUT WE NEVER SEE THE ACTUAL MONEY COME IN FOR A LONG TIME. 
          WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE WORK AHEAD, BUT WELL, IT THIS DOES NOT OR DO YOU WANNA GO OUR, OUR PROGRAM, WE HAVE A, A POLICY THAT WE ADOPTED YEARS AGO BEFORE YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL, THAT WE WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT DEED RESTRICTED PROJECTS. 
          SO FOR THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE, WE HAD WAIVED, COMPLETELY WAIVED THE IMPACT FEES. 
          THERE WAS, WE WERE NEVER GOING TO SEE THE MONEY COMING IN. 
          OKAY, NOW THEY NEED TO SHOW THAT LIKE A HIGHER COST OF THE PROJECT SO THEY CAN GET MORE IN THEIR TAX CREDITS. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE OFFERING IT AS A LOAN. 
          SO ACTUALLY A MONEY THAT WE WERE NEVER GOING TO SEE, WE'LL SEE IT IN 21 YEARS WITH 2% INTEREST. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I JUST WANTED, WANTED TO GET CLEAR ON THAT 'CAUSE IT TO GET UNDERSTANDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW THAT EXPLAINS IT, RIGHT, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS? THEN? WE HAVE THREE ACTIONS BEFORE US AND, AND THERE ARE THREE RESOLUTIONS FOR US. 
          AND IF, UM, WE INTEND TO VOTE THE SAME WAY ON ALL THREE, WE CAN BUNDLE THEM. 
          AND, UH, SO THIS IS SORT OF A STRAW POLL. 
          IF, IF ANYONE INTENDS TO NOT VOTE THE SAME WAY ON ALL THREE, UM, LET ME KNOW OR I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION. 
          THAT'S FOR ALL THREE RESOLUTIONS. 
          I'LL MOVE ITEM 1213 A AND 13 B AND I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY BARNACLE AND A SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. 
          AND A ROLL CALL VOTE VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER. 
          THOMPSON? YES. 
          TO CARLY? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          SHRIVES? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT AS WE'RE HEADING OUT THE DOOR. 
          UM, THESE PROJECTS ARE ALSO IMPORTANT IN THE COMMUNITY AND ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN AROUND 25 YEARS NOW, EDEN, 25 YEARS, AND HAS GONE THROUGH THE REMODEL PART. 
          AND BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING ON ALL THE REMODELING. 
          AND SO HOPEFULLY COUNCIL WILL GET A NOTICE SHOWING WHAT CAN BE DONE IN, IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING LONG TERM. 
          AND WITH THAT, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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