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ALRIGHT, NOW WE ARE ENTERING THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S SAFE TO FOREGO READING OF THE RULES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
HOWEVER, I WILL ASK IF WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, EMAILED IN, UH, NO PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ALONG.
MAKING UP FOR LAST, UH, MONTH'S, VERY LONG MEETING.
[PRESENTATIONS]
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO PRESENTATIONS.UM, THE FIRST, WELL THE ONLY PRESENTATION, NO, THERE'S TWO, SORRY.
UM, IS THE PRESENTATION ON SHOPPING CARTS AND BUGGIES ABOARD PETALUMA TRANSIT BUSES CONTINUED FROM LAST MONTH.
UM, SO JARED, ARE YOU THE PRESENTER? I AM.
ONE THING WORTH NOTING ON THE AGENDA, IT'S BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE POSTPONE THE SECOND PRESENTATION ON LUGO, SO WE'LL REVISIT THAT AT THE NEXT TAC MEETING.
SO FOR THIS ONE, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ITEM THAT WE KICKED OFF THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAD A VERY FULL AGENDA, SO WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO MAKE SURE WE HAD PLENTIFUL TIME TO KIND OF REVISIT THE DISCUSSION.
SO LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WE HAD LAST TIME STARTED ON STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS ON PETALUMA TRANSIT BUSES.
AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THESE A BIT MORE QUICKLY THAN LAST TIME SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THEM ONCE.
THERE ARE A FEW MINOR CHANGES, BUT I'LL RECAP THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD LAST TIME.
SO OVERALL THE DISCUSSION IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, COMMENTS AND REQUESTS FOR BRINGING FORTH AN ITEM HERE TO DISCUSS WITH THE TAC ABOUT OUR POLICY FOR HOW WE HANDLE SHOPPING CARTS AND BUGGIES ON OUR TRANSIT BUSES.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE CURRENT POLICY OF WHAT'S WRITTEN IN OUR CODE.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVING SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY, POLICY CONSIDERATIONS IF WE WANNA CONSIDER MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THOSE GOING FORWARD.
EVEN THINGS LIKE VEHICLE DECO, UH, DESIGN, AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE TRADE-OFFS.
SO AS A REMINDER OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THE CURRENT PETALUMA TRANSIT POLICY ALLOWS FOR STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS.
ALTHOUGH STROLLERS IT SAYS MUST BE COLLAPSED BEFORE BOARDING AND CHILDREN MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE STROLLER OF COURSE BEFORE YOU COLLAPSE IT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE STOWED SAFELY AWAY FROM THE AISLE SHOPPING CARTS.
WE DON'T ALLOW LARGE OVERSIZED ONES.
WE ALLOW THE KIND THAT YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO.
THERE ARE THE GREEN CIRCLE AROUND IT, MORE OF A SMALLER COLLAPSIBLE CARTS, AND THOSE ARE ALLOWED IF THEY'RE, UH, SAFELY STOWED AND OUT OF THE WAY.
AND YOU CURRENTLY AFTER REMOVE YOUR BAGS FROM THE SHOPPING CARTS.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SAFETY ACCESSIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS, WHY WE HAVE THIS POLICY CURRENTLY, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW SOME OF THE BACKGROUND, WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WHETHER YOU'RE A RIDER, WHETHER EVEN A DRIVER YOU DON'T WANT, THINGS THAT COULD SHIFT, COULD MOVE AROUND.
WHETHER YOU'RE IN SOMETHING LIKE A WHEELCHAIR OR IT'S LOOSE LIKE A CART THAT'S JUST STORED, WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.
AND WE OF COURSE MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR WHEELCHAIRS AND MOBILITY DEVICES, WHICH AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS WE MENTIONED THE AISLES, THOSE HAVE TO BE CLEAR AT ALL TIMES.
YOU ALSO WANNA REDUCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TRIPPING HAZARDS WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE ALLOWING FOR.
AND THEN YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS EVACUATE THE BUS IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
WITH ES ACCESSIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS, YOU ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS FULLY A DA COMPLIANT.
SO PEOPLE CAN STILL GET ON THE BUS AND IF THEY HAVE A MOBILITY DEVICE AND NEED ACCESS TO THE DESIGNATED SPACES UPFRONT, THEY'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE AND THINGS AREN'T BLOCKING THEIR ACCESS TO THOSE SEATS.
AND THEN AS WE'LL DISCUSS IN A LITTLE BIT, IT'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF OF HOW MUCH SPACE YOU HAVE FOR THINGS LIKE, UM, WHEELCHAIRS, WHICH YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR, BUT THEN BUGGIES THAT ARE A BIT MORE DISCRETIONARY.
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WITH OUR POLICY IS BUGGIES AND CHOPPING CARTS, HOW MUCH SPACE WE WANNA DESIGNATE FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO IN TERMS OF POLICY, THERE'S A BIT OF VARIANCE WITHIN THE IN WITHIN THE INDUSTRY.OVERALL BEST PRACTICE IS TO REQUIRE SOME STROLLERS TO BE FOLDED, BUT OTHERS CAN BE PLACED IN DESIGNATED AREAS AND GENERALLY WITH AGENCIES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWING ANYTHING THAT WOULD BLOCK THE AISLES.
SIMILAR TO OUR CURRENT POLICY, A FEW CASE STUDIES, UM, AND AGAIN, IT CAN VARY QUITE A BIT AMONGST AGENCIES, BUT AGAIN, SEPTUM, PENNSYLVANIA, THEY HAVE A DESIGNATED STROLLER AREA ON THEIR BUSES AND THEY ALLOW CHILDREN TO REMAIN IN THE STROLLERS AS LONG AS THE BREAKS ARE ENGAGED IN THE AISLES ARE CLEAR.
TRIDELTA AND ANTIOCH, THEY CREATED DESIGNATED STROLLER AREAS ON BUSES.
I THINK THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES IN THE COUNTRY ACTUALLY, UH, BY REMOVING SEATS TO ACCOMMODATE STROLLERS AND THEY ALLOW FOR UP TO FOUR UNFOLDED STROLLERS PER BUS AND THEN DASH IN VIRGINIA, THEY CHANGE THEIR POLICY TO ALLOW STROLLERS TO BE STOWED IN ONE OF TWO WHEEL CHAIR SECUREMENT AREAS PREVIOUSLY REQUIRING FOLDING THEM.
SO IN TERMS OF THE VEHICLE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT SPACE.
ONE OF THEM IS THE POSSIBILITY OF REMOVING CERTAIN SEATS GENERALLY TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE BUS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE SPACE FOR STROLLERS AND CARTS.
AND WE HAVE A FEW IMAGES UPCOMING FOR THAT.
YOU CAN HAVE INSTALLATION OF FLIP-UP SEATS TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBLE SPACE, CLEAR SIGNAGE INDICATING DESIGNATED AREAS FOR STROLLERS AND CARTS.
AND THEN OTHER OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU WANNA CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION IS WHAT IS THE TOP USE FOR THE SPACE? IS IT HAVING SEATS SO PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE A SEAT AVAILABLE? IS IT HAVING FLEXIBILITY? SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SEATS AND CARTS OR OUR CARTS AND STROLLERS AND PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO USE THOSE WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE OUT CONTENTS.
THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, UH, THERE'S AN ELEMENT WITH DRIVERS AND TRAINING, WHATEVER THE POLICY IS AND ANY CHANGES TO IT, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO ADAPT AND PROVIDE ANY TRAINING TO ANY UPDATED POLICIES.
UH, GENERALLY THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, VERY ACCOMMODATING AND WILLING TO WORK WITH KIND OF WHAT THE PASSENGERS MOST WANT TO DO.
AND THEN ENSURING THAT MODIFICATIONS OF COURSE DON'T IMPEDE ACCESSIBILITY OVERALL.
SO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS, UH, THAT WE NEVER REALLY GOT TO LAST WEEK, BUT HOPING TO PICK UP HERE IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT STROLLERS AND CARTS, WE CAN BE AS SPECIFIC AS WE WANT TO BE.
SO IF WE WANNA HAVE FOR EXAMPLE, SPECIFIC, UH, DIMENSIONS MENTIONED AS MAXIMUM SIZE, WE CAN DO SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF UNITS WE WANNA ALLOW ONLY SINGLE STROLLERS, NO DOUBLE OR ALLOW BOTH.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS.
WE CAN POTENTIALLY MODIFY THOSE IF WE WANT TO REMOVE SOME OF THE SEATS UP NEAR THE FRONT.
AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF A TRADE OFF OF YOU HAVE LESS SEATED AREA POTENTIALLY, BUT YOU HAVE MORE SPACE NOW THAT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR CARTS AND BUGGIES.
WHAT ARE THE, UM, POLICY ASPECTS OF CARTS AND BUGGIES? DO WE NEED PEOPLE TO REMOVE THOSE CONTENTS AND COLLAPSE THEM OR CAN THEY KEEP THOSE ITEMS IN THERE BEFORE THEY STOW THEM? AND THEN EVEN DO WE WANNA HAVE A MAX NUMBER OF BAGS OR CARTS IN THE CART? SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, AND CARRIED OVER FROM LAST TIME IS SOME OF THE DIFFERENT SEATS.
AND THIS ISN'T ONE OF OUR BUSES YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO, BUT THERE ARE SIMILARITIES.
THE ONE ON THE WALL, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT SEAT AND THAT FOLDS UP ON BASICALLY ALL OF OUR BUSES.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DESIGN WE'VE BEEN DOING.
AND THEN THE SEATS, YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT ARE RUNNING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION PERPENDICULAR.
THOSE ALSO HAVE FLIP UP BOTTOMS ON THEM.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, CAN LONGITUDINAL FLIP UP SEATS BE USED IN THE INTERIOR INSTEAD OF FIXED SEATS TO ALLOW FOR MORE BUGGIER CART SPACE LONGITUDINAL ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FACING THE FRONT OF THE BUS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY CALL LONGITUDINAL, THE ONES ON THE SIDE OF THE BUS TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO.
AND THEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS HOW OFTEN DO WHAT WE REFER TO AS MAX LOADS OCCUR, SITUATIONS WHERE EVERY SEAT ON THE BUS IS TAKEN AND PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO STAND AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE LESS SEATS, IT MEANS MORE PEOPLE STANDING ON THE BUS.
THAT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF TRIPS.
IT'S ABOUT, UH, 1% OF TRIPS HAVE MAX LOADS, HOWEVER, THEY DO HAPPEN WITH SOME REGULARITY ON OUR SCHOOL TRIPPER.
OVERALL, MOST OF THE REGULAR SERVICE ON OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM, THAT'S NOT A CONCERN, BUT A HANDFUL OF TRIPS A DAY, IT CAN BE WHEN YOU HAVE 50 OR SO STUDENTS, UH, BOARDING THOSE BUSES.
ALTHOUGH THOSE TIMES ARE OFTEN TRIPS WHEN YOU GENERALLY WOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY CONFLICTS WITH WHEELCHAIRS CARTS AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF THE REGULAR SERVICE,
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YOU SEE THOSE MORE OFTEN.SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, NEXT STEPS, ANY UPDATES THAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION TO THE POLICY, WE'LL GO THROUGH AND WE'LL UPDATE, UH, STARTING WITH ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS PARTICULAR POLICY DO DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, EASIER TO FIND SO THAT IT'S NOT TOO HARD TO FIND ON THE WEBSITE.
AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA CHANGE FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, WE'LL INCLUDE IN THE NEXT RIDER GUIDE, WHICH WILL BE HAPPENING IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
AND WE WILL BRING THAT GUIDE TO TAC FOR KIND OF A FINAL REVIEW INCORPORATING THESE CHANGES AND ANYTHING THAT'S MAJOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE WE CAN EVEN IMPLEMENT WITH DRIVERS IN THE MEANTIME.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF A HARMLESS CHANGE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL UPDATES AND DISCUSS IN THE PUBLIC.
WE CAN POTENTIALLY ROLL THOSE OUT EVEN SOONER.
AND SO THAT COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY IF YOU LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION STEPS IF HELPFUL.
SO WOULD ANY COMMITTEE
IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO JUMP IN FRONT OF ME.
I MEAN ON A LOT OF THE, THE FINE POINTS OF STROLLERS, SHOPPING CARTS, ET CETERA, I'LL DEFER TO OTHERS HERE ON THIS BODY.
BUT IF WE HAVE AN AREA WITHOUT SEATS, WOULD IT BE TRUE THAT YES, PASSENGERS WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THAT AREA IF THERE WERE NO BUGGIES OR STROLLERS ON BOARD THAT TRIP? UH, AND DO, DO WE LOSE, LOSE ANY CAPACITY BY HAVING THOSE PASSENGERS STAND RATHER THAN SIT? MY MY THOUGHT IS STANDING YOU, YOU CAN PACK MORE PEOPLE IN SO WE TRULY CAN CARRY MORE PEOPLE.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES, I WOULD SAY SO.
THE ONLY CAPACITY YOU LOSE IS SEATED CAPACITY, BUT TOTAL CARRYING CAPACITY BETWEEN SEATED STANDEE WOULD BE THE SAME OR EVEN IMPROVED.
THE OTHER THING IS, I HAVE THIS VISION AND I I FORGET WHERE IT WAS SAID IN THIS DOCUMENT.
MAYBE I READ IT ELSEWHERE, THAT WE HAVE, THE DRIVER HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL SOMEBODY WITH A STROLLER TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT BUS IF THE, IF THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THE STROLLER ON THE BUS.
AND, AND I HAVE THIS VISION OF A MOTHER WITH A KID IN A STROLLER ON A RAINY NIGHT BEING TOLD, HEY, WAIT 30 MINUTES FOR THE NEXT BUS.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE STORY WE WANT TO GET IN THE PRESS.
I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE ON OUR SCHEDULES TO, WITH AN ASTERISK, SAY THIS BUS 5% OF THE TIME CANNOT ACCEPT A STROLLER FOR THIS PARTICULAR RUN.
THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, I THINK SO.
WE CAN EITHER DO IT THERE OR EVEN ON THE TRANSIT APP.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE BECAUSE TOP PRIORITY FOR THOSE SPACES UP FRONT IS ALWAYS PEOPLE WITH, UM, AMBULATORY NEEDS LIKE WHEELCHAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALWAYS GET THE FIRST PREFERENCE OF THOSE SPACES.
SO IT CAN HAPPEN THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S TWO WHEELCHAIRS AND THEN SOMEONE WANTS TO GET ON WITH A BUGGY OR A CART, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SPACE.
WITH A CURRENT SETUP, ASSUMING WE DON'T CHANGE IT.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ADD.
WELL, AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND IT'S INCREDIBLY RARE RIGHT NOW PROBABLY ISN'T PERTINENT, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON BUSES.
I MEAN THAT'S BASICALLY ONE OF THE KEY TENETS OF THE CITY'S CLIMATE PLAN.
SO WE REALLY SHOULD BE PRETENDING IT WAS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN.
AND WHAT WE DO, AND JUST FOR PEOPLE'S KIND OF OWN INFO, THOSE RARE CASES WHEN IT HAPPENS IS THE DRIVER'S ASKED TO CALL IT INTO DISPATCH AND THEN WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A SWEEP.
SO SOMEONE WHO'S OUT THERE, LIKE OUR ROAD SUPERVISOR WILL GO OVER AND BE ALERTED TO THAT STOP LOCATION AND PICK THAT PASSENGER UP WHO IS BYPASSED AS SOON AS THEY CAN IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES OR SO.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT ALTOGETHER, BUT WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN ON OCCASION, THAT'S THE RECOURSE.
CAN I, CAN I INTERJECT, UH, A FOLLOW UP TO, SORRY, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO JUST BARGE RIGHT IN HERE, BUT IN THE INSTANCE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE NO SPACE FOR A STROLLER TO BE, UM, STOWED UNFOLDED, WOULD IT NOT STILL BE THE CASE WHERE THAT PASSENGER COULD CHOOSE TO, UM, FOLD UP THE STROLLER AND PUT IT IN A, IN, IN A, IN A, IN AN AVAILABLE SPACE FOLDED AND THEN THE CHILD WOULD, I MEAN IS THAT AN OPTION AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ON THE BUS? YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE POLICY IS.
IF WE SAID THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POLICY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO EMPTY OUT THE STROLLER, I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PERSON OPTIONALLY IF THE DRIVER SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SPACE FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU COULD, IF YOU WANT, EMPTY OUT THE STROLLER OR THE CARTS COLLAPSE IT AND THEN RIDE THAT WAY.
AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO OPTIONALLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
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WE COULD DO.IS THAT A GOOD QUESTION? YEAH.
AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING AN OPTION AS OPPOSED TO THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS WAITING FOR, UM, THE NEXT, THE NEXT RIDE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, WE CAN TALK WITH THE DRIVERS A BIT MORE AS KIND OF A TRAINING THING.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE INSTRUCTED NOW.
BUT WE CAN BUILD THAT IN OUR NEXT REFRESHER TRAINING IS IF YOU HAVE TWO WHEELCHAIRS FOR EXAMPLE, AND SOMEONE TRIES TO GET ON THE BUS WITH A CARD OR BUGGY, PLEASE ALWAYS OFFER THEM THE OPTION OF COLLAPSING THOSE ITEMS, TAKING THE CONTENTS OUT SO THEY CAN RIDE AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T GET ON THE BUS, YOU HAVE TO WAIT.
SO THEY AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION TO DO SO.
UM, SO FOR ONE, I AGREE THAT SOME ACCOMMODATION NEEDS TO BE MADE IF WE WANT MORE PEOPLE TO BE RIDING THE BUS.
AND THAT IS A POLICY GOAL OF THIS COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY.
UM, BUT IT SHOULD ALSO BE, UH, AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR BOTH THE DRIVER AND THE RIDER.
UM, AND SO AS FAR AS AS REQUIRING, REQUIRING CHILDREN TO BE TAKEN, TAKEN OUT OF THE STROLLER, UM, THAT CAN BE HARD
AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOOD POLICY, UH, TO HAVE TO HAVE THE CHILDREN TAKEN OUT OF A STROLLER.
UM, AND AS FAR AS IN ONE OF THE SLIDES IT WAS ABOUT, UH, CARTS OF CERTAIN DIMENSIONS, THIS KIND OF THING THAT PUTS IT ON THE DRIVER TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S THE RIGHT DIMENSION.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO DIFFICULT.
UM, AND SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT A POLICY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, MANY TIMES SUPER LARGE CARTS ARE TRIED TO TAKE ON THE BUS, UH, BUT UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT'S VERY OFTEN 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALSO DIFFICULT TO, UM, TO ROLL ALONG ON THE SIDEWALK.
UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LATITUDINAL SEATS AND UM, STROLLERS.
SO IF WE HAVE THE LAR LATITUDINAL SEAT IN A STROLLER, WHERE DOES THE PARENT SIT THEN? GENERALLY THE SEAT BEHIND.
SO THEY'RE CLOSE TO IT AND YOU KNOW, PERHAPS EVEN WITHIN ARM'S LENGTH OF IT OR THE SEAT NEXT TO IT WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE.
NOW IF THOSE SEATS ARE FULL, THEY COULD ASK ANOTHER PERSON TO RELOCATE, BUT TYPICALLY THOSE ARE THE SPACES THEY WANNA BE AND YOU WOULD KIND OF PREFER THEY ARE.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I AGREE THAT I THINK FLEXIBILITY IS KEY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANT THE BUS TO BE A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO DRIVING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF LIFE IS YOU'VE GOT YOUR LITTLE KIDS OR YOU GOT YOUR GROCERIES AND YOU WANT IT TO BE AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO GET ONE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
SO I THINK YEAH, NOT HAVING TO COLLAPSE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE BUS IS A GREAT IDEA.
UM, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM BUS DRIVERS IF THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ON GETTING PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKED TO COLLAPSE, UM, THOSE ITEMS IN PEAK HOURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY COULD FEEL THEY COULD GET SUPPORT IN THAT.
MAYBE LIKE A SIGN ON THE BUS THAT SAYS YOU MIGHT BE ASKED TO COLLAPSE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY CAN POINT TO AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PEAK HOURS.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO COLLAPSE AT THIS TIME.
BUT I THINK, YEAH, WE WANNA, WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE BUS AND WE WANT THEM ENTHUSIASTIC AT AN EARLY AGE.
SO HAVING KIDS RIDE LIKE FROM AN EARLY AGE IS, I THINK GREAT.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST MEETING, BUT IS IT BEING MEASURED IN ANY WAY? HOW MANY RIDERS ARE GOING IN WITH STROLLERS OR WITH BUGGIES? LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MEASURE, BUT IF IT IS, IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR BUS DRIVERS TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SORT OF A TALLY SYSTEM JUST SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHO WE'RE SEEING AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE SEEING? WE DON'T CURRENTLY MEASURE THAT.
WHAT WE DO IS WE MEASURE WHAT'S CALLED A RAMP EVENTS.
SO ANYTIME SOMEONE NEEDS THAT, WHETHER IT'S A WHEELCHAIR, LIKE A WALKER, OR EVEN IF
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SOMEONE REQUESTS IT, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS PROVIDE IT GENERALLY WHEN SOMEONE REQUESTS IT FOR A STROLLER, WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE WITHIN THOSE, BUT WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE A SNAPSHOT SURVEY OVER THE COURSE OF LIKE A DAY OR A FEW DAYS TO SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE OCCURRING AS KIND OF A HOPEFULLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE.UM, AND I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY TO TALLY IT.
IN OUR INTELLIGENT SYSTEM, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD DRIVER TRIGGERED OPTIONS FOR LIKE TALLYING CERTAIN THINGS.
SO I'D HAVE TO ASK HIM IF LIKE STROLLERS COULD BE A SPECIFIC BUTTON THAT THEY COULD ADD ON THERE, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT DATA.
YEAH, NO, I, I THINK THAT, I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE HERE AND MODIFICATIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA DO WHAT'S MOST EQUITABLE FOR PEOPLE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT SOME OF THAT IS ALSO THE DATA THAT WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT AND SEE IN WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT, UM, SOME OF THE SEATS TO GO UP AND HOW THAT COULD AFFECT THE OVERALL DECISION THAT WE COME UP WITH.
I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AND, AND COMMENTS.
UH, ONE, I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT A CHANGED POLICY.
UM, AS, UH, PATTY MENTIONED TAKING THE CHILD OUT OF THE STROLLER IS CHALLENGING SOMETIMES FOR THE ENTIRE BUS
UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF TAKING MY SHOPPING, MY INTERNAL SHOPPING BAGS OUT OF MY CART AND PUTTING THEM ON THE SEATS ON EITHER SIDE OF ME TAKING UP MORE SEATS AND FOLDING UP MY THING.
AND THE FIRST TIME WE GO AROUND THE CORNER, THERE GOES MY CANNED TOMATOES AND THAT SEEMS ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS.
SO I THINK THAT WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAKING THINGS MORE DANGEROUS.
I THINK WE'RE MAKING THINGS SIMPLER.
UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYONE THAT FLEXIBILITY, UH, IS WHAT WE WANT.
UM, AND I HAVE A QUESTION IN THAT REGARD.
IT, IT SEEMED FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT'S SIMPLER AND POSSIBLY LESS EXPENSIVE AND CERTAINLY CREATES A MORE FLEXIBLE INTERNAL ENVIRONMENT TO DO THE FLIP UP SEATS THAN TO SWAP OUT, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY PULL OUT A SEAT IS, AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY? IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO HAVE THE FLIP UP SEAT, BUT KIND OF NEGLIGENTLY, SO, OKAY.
UH, IT WOULD BE CHEAPEST TO REMOVE THE SEAT.
THAT'S ONE LESS SEAT AND A FLIP UP SEAT IS MORE THAN A STATIC SEAT, BUT THE COST IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
IF YOU'RE TALKING THAT RESPECTIVE OF THE BUS, LIKE 1.4 MILLION THESE DAYS FOR AN ELECTRIC BUS, IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL.
ONE TO $2,000 I WOULD THINK FOR SAY TWO SEATS.
SO WITHOUT SPECIFICATION, SO WE CAN SAY THAT THAT'S NOT A DECIDING FACTOR, THE THE COST.
AND IN THAT REGARD, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA AND I THINK WHATEVER DATA WE DID HAVE NOW WOULD NOT BE AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO TAKE A BUGGY OR A SHOPPING CART ON A BUS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT POLICY.
BECAUSE I SIMPLY WOULD NOT, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE NOW FOR FOUR YEARS AND I'VE NEVER TAKEN A BUGGY, I MEAN A SHOPPING CART ON THE BUS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS AND I'M NOT GONNA PUT MY SHOPPING BAGS ON THE SEATS AND LET THEM FLY ALL OVER THE BUS, JUST NOT.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, WOULD HAVE GOOD DATA.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO RUN AROUND AND MAKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF THIS FEATURE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET THEM USING IT.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST AN QUESTION ON PROCEDURE.
THIS IS ENTIRELY INTERNAL TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL WOULD BE MY SENSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY SO.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE WE'LL DISCUSS IT WITH 'EM TO GET CLEARANCE TO BE ENTIRELY ON THE SAFE SIDE.
I
YEAH, I DON'T ANTICIPATE AT FIRST GLANCE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS THEY WOULD HAVE, BUT WE'LL BRING THE POINT TO THEM IF WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH ANY CHANGES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
OH, AND I JUST, IN ALL OF MY ENCOURAGING OF ALLOWING SHOPPING CARTS, I NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS ENVISIONED THE ACTUAL STORE SHOPPING CART
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THAT YOU HAVE IN THE RED, RED ARROW THAT THOSE I DON'T THINK ARE EVEN LIKE FOR SALE IN MOST OF THE RETAIL SHOP.YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU GO LOOKING FOR, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE.
THAT'S VERY RARE WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO BRING THOSE ON THE BUS.
THOSE EITHER DON'T FIT OR IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET 'EM ON.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT VERY OFTEN, FORTUNATELY.
SO, SO I THINK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE THAT LITTLE SYMBOL ON OUR, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CARTS, WELCOME PERSONAL SHOPPING CARTS, WELCOME OR SOMETHING.
AND THE SMALLER BUSES THAT RUN, I GUESS IN THE NON-PEAK TIMES THAT THEY HAVE THE SEATS ALONG THE SIDE, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK AND JUST A FEW FRONT FACING SEATS IN THE BACK.
LIKE A CUTAWAY, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? YEAH.
BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PAIR OF TRANSIT, IT'S JUST A REGULAR SMALLER BUS.
WE HAVE KIND OF TWO VARIETIES.
WE HAVE THE TYPICAL, UM, BUS, LIKE THE NEW FLYER ONES, WE'RE RECEIVING A FIXED ROUTE CITY BUS AND THOSE CAN BE 30 TO 40 FEET.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE WHICH IS BASED ON LIKE A FORD TRANSIT OR E FOUR 50 CHASSIS THAT WE USE ON PARATRANSIT OR LUGO THAT WE CALL CUTAWAY.
IT'S NOT THE CUTAWAY, IT MUST BE THE 30 FOOT.
BUT I HAVE RIDDEN ON THE 11 WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IN THE FRONT IS LOOKING AT EACH OTHER AND IT'S A VERY WIDE AISLE.
AND SO IN TERMS OF, THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS SEATING THAN IF WE HAD THE FRONT FACING SEATS AND MORE STANDING.
AND I'VE NOTICED THAT IN MANY, UH, CITIES THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS LESS SEATING, MORE STANDING MILDLY ANNOYING, BUT KEEPS ME STRONG.
UM, AND IN THOSE CASES, IF YOU SIT ON THE SIDE AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CART OR BUGGY ISN'T THAT BIG, YOU CAN JUST SIT THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND I THINK THAT COULD BE PART OF THE FLEXIBILITY IF YOU GET INTO ONE OF THOSE DESIGNS AND PEOPLE CAN WALK RIGHT BY, I MEAN, PEOPLE SIT THERE WITH THEIR ROLLIE BAGS COMING BACK FROM THE AIRPORT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL GETTING BY.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, IN THE TRAINING, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVERS UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WORRYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUTTING THEM IN, IN THE CUTAWAY OR THE FLIP UP SEATS OR THE CUTAWAY AREAS IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE BUSES WITH THE WIDE ISLES.
SO THANK, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOU GAVE A A, A SORT OF A CALENDAR, BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE THAT, MAKE THE POLICY MORE VISIBLE ON YOUR WEBSITE, THAT'S THE CURRENT POLICY THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T, CAN'T DO IT.
THE CURRENT ONE WE CAN PUT UP RIGHT NOW, THAT'LL TAKE ABOUT ONE TO TWO WEEKS.
AND THEN WHEN WE MODIFY THE NEW POLICY, I WOULD ANTICIPATE AROUND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, WHENEVER THAT'S ADOPTED, WE'LL PUT THE NEW ONE UP ON THE WEBSITE AT THAT POINT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE WHEN WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE LIKE.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN HARD TO FIND ALL ALONG AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE HAVING ALTERCATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST AREN'T TAKING THEIR BUGGIES AND STROLLERS ON THE BUSES OR DRIVERS ARE JUST LETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE POLICY THAT WE DON'T LIKE MORE VISIBLE.
I MEAN, WE CAN HOLD OFF THEN BECAUSE THAT'S A TRADE OFF IS DO YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING UP THERE THAT'S NOW SOMEWHAT OUTDATED POTENTIALLY, OR JUST WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE NEW ONE AND THEN PUT IT UP THERE? SO, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S, THAT YOUR SCHEDULE MEANS THAT YES, WE ARE GOING AHEAD WITH THIS.
YEAH, SO I WOULD SAY, SO I MEAN, I COULD RECAP WHAT I HEARD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAD COMMENTS OR THAT WAS JUST QUESTIONS OR THAT COVERED THE ENTIRETY OF, WHY DON'T YOU RECAP WHAT YOU HEARD.
SO WHAT I HEARD IS WE DON'T WANNA MAKE PEOPLE COLLAPSE THE ITEMS AND EMPTY OUT THE CONTENTS.
AND THAT'S TRUE FOR SHOPPING CARTS AND FOR BUGGIES.
WE WANNA LOOK INTO THE ADDITIONAL LATITUDINAL FLIP-UP SEAT OPTION AND MAKE THAT AREA MORE OF A FLEX SPACE.
UM, I HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY PERHAPS MORE SIGNAGE IN THAT AREA.
WE CAN DO SIGNAGE THAT SAYS THIS AREA PREFERRED FOR BUGGIES AND CARTS.
MAYBE PEOPLE WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT.
UH, WE WILL UPDATE THE POLICY ACCORDINGLY.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THE DRIVERS ARE TRAINED ON THE NEW POLICY ACCORDINGLY.
UM, AND IMPLEMENTED ON THAT TIMELINE AROUND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
DOES THAT COVER IT? WAS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED OR? I THINK THE ONE THING IS THAT EVERY, I THINK EVERYONE WAS IN AGREEMENT, OR AT LEAST NOBODY WAS IN DISAGREEMENT WITH A FLEXIBLE POLICY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO COME UP WITH
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MEASUREMENTS THAT, THAT THE POLICY IS SAFETY DOESN'T BLOCK THE AISLES AND THE DRIVER HAS AUTHORITY TO SAY, SIR OR MADAM THAT SAFEWAY SHOPPING CART WILL NOT FIT ON OUR BUS.YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE SHOPPING CARTS.
UH, I DO THINK THE POLICY SHOULD PROHIBIT SHOPPING CARTS THAT ARE CLEARLY OWNED AND, UM, BRANDED AS A, YOU KNOW, A A A LOCAL GROCERY STORE.
I, I DON'T WANT THE, I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF HOT WATER BECAUSE WE'RE NOW TRANSPORTING STOLEN SHOPPING CARTS.
UM, AND SO I I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PROHIBITED, LIKE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITY, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY, I I LIKE THE WAY THAT SMART HANDLED A VERY SIMILAR, UM, SITUATION WITH BICYCLES ON THE SMART TRAIN.
AND UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE AREA THAT SMART HAS, THEY HAVE THE COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A SECTION OF THE WALL WHERE YOU CAN JUST STRAP YOUR BIKE TO IT AND IF THERE'S ALREADY A BIKE THERE, ANOTHER BIKE CAN BE PUT IN FRONT OF IT AND STRAPPED.
AND SO THE WAY THEY'VE DONE THAT I THINK IS REALLY, UH, IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD.
UM, BUT RECENTLY, UH, JUST, I THINK I SAW THE, THE ANNOUNCEMENT JUST THIS WEEK, UM, SMART HAS BEEN FORTUNATE IN THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A, UH, YOU KNOW, A A, A REALLY NICE GROWTH IN RIDERSHIP AND THEY'RE NOW HAVING TO, THEY, THEY JUST THIS LAST WEEK, UM, STARTED PUBLICLY ANNOUNCING THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON THE SIZE OF BIKES, RIGHT? SO, UM, AND THEY PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO BRING, LIKE PICTURES OF BIKES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT ON THE TRAIN THAT ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE LAUGHABLE, BUT, UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ACCOMMODATING UP UNTIL THIS POINT WHERE IT'S NOW STARTING TO INTERFERE WITH OPERATIONS.
AND SO THEY'RE NOW STARTING TO PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON, UM, LIKE THE WIDTH, IT CAN'T BE ANY WIDER THAN 16 INCHES, UH, MINUS THE HANDLEBARS.
AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IS PEOPLE BRINGING ON, YOU KNOW, VERY LARGE E-BIKES WITH VERY LARGE SADDLE BAGS THAT ARE CLEARLY KIND OF OUR VERSION OF THE GROCERY STORE SHOPPING CART, RIGHT? BUT THEY'VE WAITED TO, UM, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RESTRICT THAT AT THE BEGINNING, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S ERR ON THE SIDE OF LET PEOPLE RIDE.
AND THEN IF WE GET TO A POINT TO WHERE IT BECOMES OBSTRUCTIVE, THEN THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE ARE RIDING AND WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT IT AT A LATER DATE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY GENERAL THOUGHTS.
AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT AND MAYBE HEAR FROM A FEW OTHER PEOPLE IS HOW RESTRICTED DO WE WANNA BE WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
LIKE I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY ON THE BRANDED SHOPPING CARTS, IT COULD BE STOLEN, THAT'S KIND OF CLEAR CUT, BUT WITH OTHER ONES, DO PEOPLE PREFER TO HAVE IT MORE GENERALIZED, LIKE SAYING A MAX SIZE OR LEAVE IT MORE OPEN-ENDED SAYING IT JUST CAN'T BLOCK THE AISLES OR BE A SAFETY CONCERN? KIND OF THE APPROACH I THINK YOU WERE KINDA ADVOCATING FOR? YEAH, I WOULD BE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BUS DRIVERS ON THAT ONE ON WHETHER IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO A SPECIFIC SIZE THAT IT'S LIKE, IT CAN'T BE GREATER THAN THAT.
OR IF THEY'RE FINE WITH BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE AN ITEM AND SAY, NO, THAT'S TOO BIG, YOU KNOW, IN THE MOMENT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN I, MY TAKE ON THAT IS I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S TOO BIG, THEY'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED.
ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE DIMENSIONS IS NO ONE WANTS TO BREAK OUT A RULE OR ANYTHING.
AND SO GENERALLY YOU WANNA AVOID ANY ARGUMENT POTENTIALLY BETWEEN THE DRIVER AND THE PASSENGER.
SO I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING A MAXIMUM SIZE MENTIONED.
I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT AS LONG AS IT'S SAFE AND IT'S NOT BLOCKING THE AISLE, THAT'S KIND OF THEIR MAIN CONCERN WITH IT.
ERIC, NO OTHER COMMENTS? I'M, I AGREE WITH NO BRANDED, NO STOLEN SHOPPING CARTS AND I, I'M STILL ON THE IDEA OF FLEXIBLE AND I LIKE, UM, FRANK'S COMMENT THAT IF WE HAVE THE GOOD PROBLEM OF SO MANY SHOPPERS, UM, THAT WE
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HAVE TO PUT IN A SIZE RESTRICTION, WE WILL VISIT THAT WHEN THAT GOOD THING HAPPENS.I AGREE TO JUST, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SIZE, UM, AND UM, AND THEN REVISIT IT IF WE HAVE TO.
UH, I WAS IN LA RECENTLY AND I WAS WRITING, UH, THIS AWAY AND FRANK, YOU, YOU JUST REMINDED ME THAT I SAW PEOPLE BRINGING ON E-BIKES, LARGE E-BIKES, YOU KNOW, WITH BAGS ON THE
AND SO, UM, SO, UH, YEAH, LET'S SEE.
YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
OKAY, ONE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD IS, UH, WE WERE TALKING IS I THINK PERHAPS ON THE WEBSITE OR OUR GUIDE, WE CAN KIND OF DO WHAT WE DID IN THE PRESENTATION IS HAVE LIKE AN ADVISORY THING, LIKE A COUPLE PHOTOS THAT SAY PLEASE USE THIS TYPE OF CART.
SO INSTEAD OF SAYING SPECIFICALLY CARTS BIGGER THAN 36 INCHES OR BAND HAVE LIKE A PHOTO THAT SAYS DON'T USE THIS, PLEASE USE THIS.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP PEOPLE MAKE KIND OF A WISE DECISION TOO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO YEAH, YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT LATER ON THIS YEAR, AN UPDATE TO THE POLICY GUIDE INCORPORATING ALL THOSE ITEMS. OKAY.
AND WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT THE, UH, PRESENTATION ON LUMA GO WILL BE NEXT.
ACTUALLY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT? UH, I KNOW I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE LUMA GO PRESENTATION, BUT AT THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT THE COUNCIL WILL NOT BE SEEING THE LUMA GO PRESENTATION TILL AFTER WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT? YES, THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING.
WE WILL PUSH BACK THE COUNCIL DATE SO THAT TAC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT WEIGH IN FIRST PRIOR TO A REGION COUNCIL.
AND IF I COULD MAKE ONE OTHER REQUEST, THE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT NEVER QUITE GOT TO THE WEBSITE, CAN WE STILL GET IT TO THE WEBSITE EVEN FOR THIS AGENDA SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTED CAN LOOK AT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? OH YEAH, VERY MUCH SO.
WE'LL PUT IT UP AS SOON AS WE CAN AND DEFINITELY BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE NEXT MEETING, THE PRESENTATION'S BASICALLY DONE NOW.
SO IT'LL BE, UH, WAY IN ADVANCE FOR THAT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR LAST MONTH, OUR JULY 15TH, 2025 MEETING.UH, DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE TO THE, THE MINUTES? OKAY.
I THINK WE CAN, UH, PROVE THE MINUTES WITHOUT CHANGES.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION FOR FEDERAL FUNDING UNDER THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION FTA SECTION 53 10 WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO, UM, TRANSIT MANAGER, JARED, ARE YOU PRESENTING? I AM, UH, KAMI WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT SHE'S FEELING A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER.
SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME FOR THIS ITEM.
SO THIS IS A APPLICATION FOR A GRANT OF WHICH WE'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL TIMES PREVIOUSLY.
IT'S KNOWN AS THE FTA FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION SECTION 53 10 GRANTS FOR ENHANCED MOBILITY OF SENIORS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES PROGRAM.
AND SO THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM, AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IS TO IMPROVE MOBILITY FOR SENIORS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES BY REMOVING BARRIERS TO TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND EXPANDING THEIR MOBILITY OPTIONS.
AND SO GRANT FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR CAPITAL EXPENSES OR IN THIS CASE FOR OPERATING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS GRANT APPLICATION.
AND SO WE FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF WHICH THERE'S SEVERAL, THERE'S RURAL, THERE'S LARGE URBAN REGIONS, BUT WE'RE A SMALL URBAN REGION POPULATION'S, UH, 50,000 TO 200,000 PETALUMA COURSES AROUND 60,000 THESE DAYS.
SO WE'RE A SMALL URBAN AREA AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, THEY DO A CALL FOR PROJECTS EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A TWO YEAR GRANT CYCLE REQUEST.
AND SO, UM, PETALUMA'S DEMOGRAPHICS AS PART OF THE A CS COMMUNITY SURVEY SHOW THAT 18.63% OF PETALUMA RESIDENTS ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65 AND 7.5% HAVE A DISABILITY.
SO WE KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE ROLE THAT OUR SERVICES PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FIXED
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ROUTE, UH, PARATRANSIT AND UH, MICRO TRANSITS SERVICE.AND SO IN THIS ITEM WE WOULD BE APPLYING FOR MONDAY THAT'LL HELP OPERATE LUGO MICROT TRANSITS SERVICE.
IT WOULD BE A TWO YEAR GRANT APPLICATION WINDOW.
IT WOULD TAKE OVER A YEAR GENERALLY TO HAVE THE FUNDS BE MADE AVAILABLE.
THIS PROGRAM UNFORTUNATELY IS KIND OF KNOWN FOR THE LONG TIME IT TAKES TO GET A CONTRACT AWARDED SECURED.
IT'S NOT THE FASTEST GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE, BUT ANY GRANT FUNDING AT THIS POINT HELPS.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD BE APPLYING FOR THIS, UH, FOR TWO YEARS OPERATING IN 2026 AND 2027.
AND THE APPLICATION PROPOSES A REQUEST OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN FEDERAL OPERATING ASSISTANCE EACH YEAR AND IT HAS A 50% REQUIREMENTS, SO IT'D BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THE CITY SIDE.
ALTHOUGH THE GOOD THING IS THAT'S FUNDING THAT WE'RE ALREADY GENERALLY PROVIDING SINCE WE'RE OPERATING THE SERVICE.
SO BASICALLY IT HELPS TO KIND OF DOUBLE THE MONEY THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO DOING THAT SERVICE AND OFFSET THE COSTS.
AND SO, UH, IT'S A COMPETITIVE FUNDING POT.
THE LAST TIME WE GOT THE GRANT, WE WERE ONE BELOW THE CUTOFF, BUT ONE AGENCY WASN'T ABLE TO DO THEIR PROJECT OR DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, SO WE WERE AWARDED THE PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR AFTERWARDS.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMPETITIVE AGAIN THIS TIME AND BE AWARDED IN OTHER SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
WOULD ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER ERIC? YEAH.
UM, SO, UM, THE TOTAL AMOUNT BEING RECEIVED IS ESSENTIALLY 200,000, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT SOUNDS TO BE LIKE THAT THE GRANT ITSELF CAN SOMETIMES BE A LITTLE UNPREDICTABLE IN TERMS OF A TIMELINE, BUT ALSO JUST FUNDING IN, IN, IN THE SENSE THAT POTENTIALLY OTHER LOCATIONS MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT GET IT AND SO THEN WE END UP GETTING IT.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT IT IS STILL VERY, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE AIR IN A LOT OF TIMES.
AND MY BIGGEST QUESTION WAS IF, IF THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT OR IS THE CITY ALSO ACTIVELY EXPLORING OTHER AVENUES TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FINDING WHAT WE CAN THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY ATTACHED TO THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF GRANT FUNDING? YEAH, VERY MUCH SO.
WE'RE ALWAYS TURNING OVER EVERY ROCK TO GET ALL THE FUNDING THAT WE CAN OUT THERE AVAILABLE.
AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME MENTION BEFORE, THE DIFFICULT PART IS THE FUNDING IS OFTEN ON THE CAPITAL SIDE OF THINGS, WHICH IS GREAT.
EVERY GRANT IS HELPFUL, BUT MUCH MORE THE GRANT FUNDING IS CAPITAL THAN OPERATING.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT CAN BE USED TOWARDS OPERATING, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE A BIT KINDA LIMITED WITH WHAT YOU CAN PUT IT TOWARDS.
LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT IT TOWARDS ANY OPERATING.
WE COULD PUT IT TOWARDS PARATRANSIT SERVICE BEYOND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO AND ONLY LIKE THAT SLICE OR IN THIS CASE WE COULD PUT IT TOWARDS AUMA GO.
UM, SO IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO GET OPERATING GRANTS, BUT GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL LEVELS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT FEDERAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT COUNTY LEVEL, STATE LEVEL, AND AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD US, WE GET SEVERAL GRANTS FROM EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS.
SO EVERYTHING FROM THE S-E-T-C-A GO SONOMA COR DESCENT SALES TAX, THAT GIVES US SOME TRANSIT OPERATING FUNDS ALL THE WAY THROUGH STATE GRANTS LIKE LC O THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT TOWARDS OPERATIONS.
WE REALLY LOOK AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS.
WE DON'T LEAVE ANY OF THEM OUT THESE DAYS.
THE FEDERAL SIDE IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S MORE UNCERTAINTY THAN THERE'S BEEN IN THE PAST.
WE'RE STILL PROCEEDING WITH GOING FOR THOSE GRANTS, TRYING TO BE A BIT CONSERVATIVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS LET'S GO FOR THE GRANTS BUT NOT BANK AND EXPAND TOO MUCH GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT CAN COME WITH THOSE GRANTS.
BUT YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT LEVELS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND THE LAST PART OF THAT TOO WAS THIS IS SPECIFICALLY COMING FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO THE CITY.
THIS ISN'T BEING ADMINISTERED THROUGH MTC OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THIS ONE GETS ADMINISTERED BY CALTRANS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ACTION REQUIRED? YES, THERE IS AN ACTION REQUIRED.
SO WOULD NORMALLY I WOULD INVITE THE PUBLIC, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
SO, UM, INSTEAD I WILL ASK IF UH, SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT THE, THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT MAY, UM, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT, UH, WE APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
I'LL SECOND WHO? ERIC? THAT WAS ME.
UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE ABRAMS? YES.
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YES.OH AND MY APOLOGY, I WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK IF THERE WAS FURTHER DISCUSSION AFTER IT WAS SECONDED ALSO IN CASE SOMEONE THOUGHT OF SOMETHING, BUT SINCE WE ALL SAID YES, I GOT AWAY WITH IT.
ALRIGHT, THE SECOND UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER UM, PRESENTATION.
AND THIS IS, UH, FROM THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF FIVE BATTERY ELECTRIC CUTAWAY TRANSIT BUSES FROM MODEL ONE AND AUTHORIZING STAFF TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS, THE PURCHASE.
UM, SO WILL YOU BE PRESENTING AGAIN? YES, I WILL BE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'VE HAD ON OUR ADVANCE CALENDAR, UH, FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
AS UH, PEOPLE MAY KNOW WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED OUR FIRST ELECTRIC BUSES.
THOSE ARE FOUR NEW FLYER BUSES THAT WE RECEIVED THE LAST OF IN JULY.
BUT ON THE PARATRANSIT SIDE, WE DON'T YET HAVE ANY ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND WE'VE BEEN UM, SCHEDULING FUNDING FOR PURCHASING FIVE VEHICLES, APPLYING FOR GRANTS OVER SUBS PREVIOUS YEARS.
SO WE CAN BUILD UP THE FUNDING TO PROCEED WITH THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND WHAT THIS IS, IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE PURCHASE FIVE ELECTRIC CUTAWAY VEHICLES AND THREE OF THEM WOULD BE OPERATED ON PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
TWO WOULD BE ON MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WERE AWARE, BUT THE CURRENT VEHICLES ON LUGO, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY USED VEHICLES.
WHEN WE STARTED THAT SERVICE, THEY WERE THE NEWER VEHICLES THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE, BUT THEY WERE STILL 2019 VEHICLES.
AND SO THE TWO THAT WE PUT ON THAT SERVICE WOULD BECOME THE PRIMARY ONES THAT OPERATE MOST COMMONLY ON THERE.
SO IT'D BE PURCHASING FIVE VEHICLES.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE MODEL IS KNOWN AS THE GAME CHANGER.
IRONICALLY IT'S MADE BY FORCED RIVER AND WE'D BE BUYING IT FROM MODEL ONE, WHICH WAS AWARDED ON THE CAL ACT CONTRACTS AND THAT'S STATEWIDE COAP CONTRACT WHERE WE GENERALLY BUY OUR CUTAWAY VEHICLES FROM.
AND SO WE HAVE A LITANY OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES TO PURCHASE THESE.
WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING FROM THE HV HYBRID VEHICLE INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES DISCOUNTS FOR BUYING ELECTRIC BUSES.
WE HAVE FUNDING FROM THE TSIP GRANT TRANSIT AND INNER CITY RAIL CAPITAL PROJECTS.
UH, SMALL AMOUNT OF TDA FUNDING AND SOME FEDERAL FUNDS AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT VEHICLES, WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE MARKET.
IN THIS CASE, WE WANTED TO GET A ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE THAT WAS VERY HIGH IN OUR LIST THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT PURCHASING CUTAWAY VEHICLES.
THERE WEREN'T ANY AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET AT THAT TIME AND WE MET WITH SOME RESISTANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR GETTING ADDITIONAL INTERNAL COMBUSTION VEHICLES.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATIONS.
BUT OF COURSE THERE'S OTHER ONES ABOUT RELIABILITY, COMFORT OF THE PASSENGERS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMFORTABLE RIDE.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE UP TO TWO WHEELCHAIRS ON ALL OF OUR VEHICLES AND THEY'RE FULLY A D ACCESSIBLE.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO DESIGN THEM IN A WAY THAT THE SEATS KIND OF LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, HAVE MOST FLEXIBILITY.
AND SO WHEN WE DO OUR CUTAWAYS, IF PEOPLE HAVE A RIDE THOSE ON PARATRANSIT LUEGO, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED FOLDAWAY SEATS.
SO THE BACK FOLDS DOWN AND THE WHOLE SEAT FOLDS UP TOWARDS A WINDOW.
AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE IN THE REGULAR SEATS WITH A SEATBELT OR YOU CAN HAVE MORE WHEELCHAIR SPACE IF YOU NEED FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WHEELCHAIR AREA.
AND WE DID SIMILAR WITH THE DESIGN OF THESE THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE, UM, THE CURRENT BUILD DATE ANTICIPATED FOR THESE IS ABOUT THREE MONTHS FROM PURCHASE.
SO IF WE PROCEED WITH A PURCHASE, WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THEM BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, THEY WOULD BE BRANDED SIMILAR TO THE VEHICLES THAT YOU SEE NOW AS THE INTENT FOR LUGO.
AND THEN FOR PARATRANSIT, UM, THESE VEHICLES CAN BE CHARGED WITH LEVEL TWO OR LEVEL THREE FAST CHARGERS.
RIGHT NOW OUR FIXED DROP BUSES CAN ONLY BE CHARGED.
WE FOUND OUT WITH FAST CHARGERS THEY DON'T CHARGE AT ALL INTERESTINGLY WITH LEVEL TWO, BUT THESE ONES WILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY CAN BE LEVEL TWO OR LEVEL THREE.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT OUR CAPITAL YARD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE AWARDED BY COUNCIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, HOPEFULLY THOSE ARE DONE BY THE CALENDAR YEAR 2025.
AND BY THE TIME WE GET THESE VEHICLES, UH, THEY WOULD BE READY TO GO AND CHARGE ON THOSE.
THEY SHOULD CHARGE FAIRLY FAST.
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ON THE FAST CHARGERS, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.UM, THEY WILL HAVE 1000 POUND CAPACITY, 80 ACCESSIBLE LIFTS.
THAT'S THE MAX CAPACITY LIFT YOU CAN GENERALLY GET THESE DAYS IN THE PAST WAS 800 POUNDS.
BUT AS DEMANDS INCREASE, WHEELCHAIRS GET HEAVIER, THE WHEELCHAIRS GET BIGGER, MORE BATTERIES ON THEM BETWEEN THE WHEELCHAIR AND THE PASSENGER.
YOU CAN GET, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S OVER 800 POUNDS AND THOSE LIFTS DO STRUGGLE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS GREAT AGAIN TO HAVE MAX FLEXIBILITY TO GET THE THOUSAND POUND LIFTS ON THE VEHICLES.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE BIKE RACKS ON THE FRONT FOR THE ONES OPERATING LUGO.
AND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING RECENTLY, WE TRY TO ALWAYS GET THE THREE BIKE RACK AND ONE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE LONGER BIKES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS WE HEARD IN WIDER BIKES.
SO WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME WITH THESE.
UM, TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE.
AND OF COURSE THESE ARE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES FOR OLDER OUTGOING VEHICLES, SOME OF WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN RETIRED IN YEARS PRIOR AND THEN SOME OF WHICH WOULD BE RETIRED UPON RECEIPT OF THESE VEHICLES.
AND SO IT'S VERY EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD NEW VEHICLES ON OUR PARATRANSIT SERVICE IN PARTICULAR.
WE THINK PEOPLE WILL BE REALLY EXCITED WHEN THEY SEE THESE VEHICLES OUT THERE IN THE STREET.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF THE COSTS, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 128,000 PER VEHICLE AND THEN THERE'S A COST TO WRAP THEM.
WE ESTIMATE 10,000 PER VEHICLE AND A PROJECT CONTINGENCY OF ABOUT 30,000.
SO THE OVERALL COST WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 709,000 133 AND ALL OF THE FUND SOURCES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AS WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED AND PROGRAMMED IN THE BUDGET.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER STEP TO HELP ELECTRIFYING THE FLEETS WITH THE FOUR FIXED ROUTE BUSES.
WE HAVE THESE FIVE MORE AND THEN THREE TO SEVEN MORE FIXED ROUTE ONES WE'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE AROUND THE END OF THIS YEAR.
THAT WOULD MAKE US OVER 50% ZERO EMISSION BY THAT POINT IN OUR FLEET, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, FRANK, UH, I'M SORRY, FOUR.
IT'S, THIS IS TO PURCHASE FOUR TO PURCHASE FIVE.
AND UH, SO WE HAVE FIVE THAT WERE, WE WOULD BE RETIRING, YEAH, EITHER ALREADY RETIRED OR WOULD BE RETIRING.
I THINK IT'S TWO THAT ARE ALREADY RETIRED, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAD FAILED ENGINES OR COLLISIONS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THE REST ARE STILL IN SERVICE, ALBEIT LIGHT DUTY AND WOULD BE RETIRED.
AND WHAT UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU KNOW THE YEARS OF THE ONES THAT WOULD BE RETIRED? THERE ARE VARIETY OF ANYWHERE FROM 2006 TO 2014 VEHICLES.
UH, AND SO WELL PASS OR USEFUL LIFE.
AND UM, HOW MANY, UH, CUTAWAYS ARE IN THE FLEET OR SIMILAR VEHICLES DO WE HAVE IN THE FLEET TODAY? WE HAVE 14 FIXED DROP BUSES AND NINE CUTAWAYS.
SO THIS WOULD REPLACE OVER HALF OF THE CUTAWAYS? YEAH.
UH, AND THE NINE CUTAWAYS, THAT INCLUDES THE TWO THAT ARE OUTTA SERVICE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
SO WITHIN THAT NINE NUMBER IT INCLUDES THAT.
I'M ACTUALLY, UM, I GUESS IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE COST OF VEHICLES NOWADAYS.
I'M SURPRISED THAT, UM, AT 128 GRAND, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE, BUT UM, SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THE, AT AT THAT PRICE.
IT DEPENDS ON THE VEHICLE TYPE.
YOU GET THESE, THEY'RE A BIT LOWER BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A FORD TRANSIT VEHICLE AND SO THEY, SORRY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH CUSTOMIZATION TO THEM.
WHERE SOME OF THE OTHER CUTAWAYS THAT WE DO, IT'S GOT A FULLY CUSTOM CABINET MM-HMM
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER, BUT THOSE ARE WHEN THE COSTS REALLY COME INTO IT.
SO IF YOU GET ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT'S ELECTRIC, THOSE ARE STARTING AT ABOUT $300,000.
SO A PRETTY CONSIDERABLE COST DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND WE FOUND THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY OPTIONS AVAILABLE WITH THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE YET.
WITH FIXED ROUTE BUSES, SORRY, THE MARKET IS A BIT MORE DEVELOPED.
THERE'S LESS OPTIONS ON THE KIND OF PARATRANSIT CUTAWAY SIDE AND SO YOU CAN'T BUY ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF VEHICLES YET WITH THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER DRIVETRAIN, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL ACTUALLY BUY ONE OF THOSE WITH A GAS ENGINE AND THEN THEY PULL THE ENGINE OUT AND THEY JUNK IT AND THEN THEY RETROFIT WITH THEIR OWN BATTERY SYSTEM.
THAT'S NOT AS RELIABLE BECAUSE IT'S GENERALLY A SMALLER COMPANY.
IT'S NOT LIKE HAVING THE FORD ORIGINAL ONE LIKE THESE VEHICLES WOULD BE.
HOPEFULLY THAT MARKET WILL DEVELOP MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF IT.
THAT'S REALLY GOOD BACKGROUND.
AND IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE NOT HAVING SORT OF THE WIDER CAB THAT YOU DESCRIBED, UH, IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE FOR THESE VEHICLES THAT YOU ENVISION? I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE MAIN ONE.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW INSIDE AND THEY
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FIT ABOUT TWO LESS SEATS THAN THE CURRENT ONES.BUT IT'S VERY RARE WHEN ON THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE, WHETHER IT'S ON PARATRANSIT OR LUGO, WE WOULD'VE FULL CAPACITY TRIPS AND I THINK WE WOULD BALANCE ACCORDINGLY IF WE THINK ON PARATRANSIT, I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD HAVE CAPACITY ISSUES.
WE COULD ON LUGO POTENTIALLY, BUT IN THOSE SCENARIOS, IF IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE BUSIER, WE WOULD PUT THE CURRENT VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT HAVE A COUPLE MORE SEATS ON THEM TO KIND OF BALANCE THAT PIECE.
AND THEN THE RANGES, WE ANTICIPATE THE RANGE OF THESE, WE'LL GET ABOUT A HUNDRED TO 120 MILES PER DAY, BUT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO A FULL DAY OF SERVICE.
WE MAY HAVE TO SWAP IT OUT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
NOT IDEAL, BUT ALSO NOT A HUGE CONCERN GENERALLY WITH HOW WE SCHEDULE THIS SERVICE.
THE DRIVERS OFTEN HAVE A BREAK REGARDLESS HALFWAY THROUGH THEIR SHIFT AND COME BACK TO THE YARD FOR A BREAK.
SO WITH, UH, THE PARATRANSIT AND LUMMI GO SERVICE IN PARTICULAR, THAT WOULDN'T BE A HUGE CONCERN IF WE DO FIND THAT WE CAN'T RUN THEM A FULL DAY'S WORTH OF SERVICE ON THE CHARGE.
AND JUST, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU, UM, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE RISK IS THAT, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT THE CHARGERS MAY NOT BE IN PLACE AND THAT WE MAY, YOU KNOW, I I I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT THEY, THE CLASS TWO, THAT'S LIKE WHAT PLUGGING INTO A REGULAR OUTLET, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK, I MEAN MY, MY HUNCH IS THAT THAT'S WHILE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CHARGE OVERNIGHT, UH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIKE RECHARGE DURING THE DAY.
TO RECHARGE QUICKLY DURING THE DAY.
YOU WOULD GENERALLY WANT THE LEVEL THREE, UH, LIKE I WAS SAYING WITH LEVEL THREE, IT SHOULD CHARGE IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES WITH LEVEL TWO, I'M NOT SURE, THREE TO FIVE HOURS.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN THAT TIME, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIT MORE FLEXIBLE IN HOW WE OPERATE 'EM.
BUT THE GOOD THING IS THERE'S A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO CHARGE WITH LEVEL TWO THAN THREE.
I WAS LOOKING ABOUT A MONTH AGO AT LEVEL THREE CHARGERS THAT COULD FIT LIKE A 40 FOOT VEHICLE, LIKE OUR BUSES AND THERE'S REALLY NONE IN TOWN.
THE ONLY ONE I SAW IS WITHIN PETALUMA CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THEIR SCHOOL BUSES.
NOW THEY HAVE LEVEL THREE LIKE TESLA CHARGERS AND, UM, ELECTRIFY AMERICA.
BUT THOSE ARE DESIGNED FOR REGULAR VEHICLE SPACES, LIKE 20 FEET.
THOSE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE LIKE A 40 FOOT VEHICLE, BUT WITH LEVEL TWO THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS AVAILABLE BECAUSE THESE BUSES WOULD BE 23 FOOT IN LENGTH.
SO ANY STANDARD LEVEL TWO CHARGER, LIKE A CHARGE POINT YOU SEE YOU COULD FIT IN THE SPACE AND CHARGE IT.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ONE ABOUT A EIGHTH OF A MILE FROM THE TRANSIT YARD.
AS YOU'RE WOR WALKING OVER TOWARDS, UH, FRIEDMAN BROTHERS, WE COULD PARK IT AND CHARGE TWO OF THE VEHICLES THERE IF WE NEED IT AS LIKE A SHORT TERM SOLUTION ON THAT SIDE.
IT'S EASIER THAN FINDING FAST CHARGERS FOR LIKE A 40 FOOT TYPE VEHICLE.
ARE ARE WE ON TRACK WITH GETTING THE CHARGERS IN PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, BY THIS TIME? YEAH, EVERYTHING'S ON TRACK AND ON SCHEDULE NOW.
WE OF COURSE ALREADY BOUGHT THE CHARGERS, SO WE HAVE THOSE ON HAND.
WE BOUGHT THE SWITCHGEAR, HAD THAT ON HAND.
THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST DELAYS THAT UM, AGENCIES FIND IN DOING THESE PROJECTS.
AND WE AWARDED THE CONTRACT READY.
OUR START DATE IS OCTOBER 1ST AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING A THREE TO SIX MONTH KIND OF BUILD TIME.
IF ALL GOES WELL, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE CALENDAR YEAR.
I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST UNCERTAINTIES ARE KIND OF WORKING WITH PG AND E AND KIND OF THEIR TIMELINE.
YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM OF COURSE TO WORK ON YOUR PREFERRED TIMELINE.
YOU'RE SOMEONE AT THE MERCY OF THEM.
SO I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ON THE CITY SIDE.
WE HAVE ALL THE MAJOR HARDWARE, THE CONTRACTORS READY TO GO.
UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CONSTRUCTION COMPLICATIONS THERE.
THE ONLY THING THAT COULD DELAY FOR A FEW MONTHS, I WOULD FORESEE COULD BE PG E WORKING WITH THEM.
THO THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I, UH, I I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
UM, YOU, I, I'LL JUST SHARE MY LITTLE BIT OF COMMENTARY IS, I THINK IT STRIKES A REALLY NICE BALANCE BETWEEN ECONOMICS AND FUNCTIONALITY.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO OVERSPEND FOR VERY LITTLE BENEFIT.
SO, AND ONE OTHER THOUGHT, UH, WHILE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS WE OF COURSE WANNA REPLACE THE OUTGOING VEHICLES WITH THEM.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE WAS DELAY OR COMPLICATION, WE WOULD JUST KIND OF STORE THE ELECTRIC ONES AND CONTINUE TO RUN THE CURRENT ONES INSTEAD OF RETIRING THEM IF WE NEED TO.
HOPEFULLY NOT THE CASE, BUT KIND OF A BACKUP OPTION.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THE COST SAVINGS OF THE, YOU KNOW, NOT PAYING FOR GAS AND PAYING FOR THE ELECTRIC INSTEAD? NOT YET.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING INTO MORE.
UM, OF COURSE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO GET INTO OPERATING 'EM AND SEE HOW THAT GOES BASED ON OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES.
THEY FOUND THE COST ACTUALLY PRETTY COMPARABLE, OVERT RUNNING ELECTRIC VEHICLES VERSUS INTERNAL COMBUSTION,
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UH, BETWEEN THE ENERGY COSTS AND THEN KIND OF THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND DOWNSIDE, I THINK IN ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS WE'LL HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA START OPERATING SOME OF THEM.AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING INTO FUEL CREDIT SAVINGS.
AND SO THAT'LL BE NICE BECAUSE THAT'S A NEW REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE AND THE CITY OVERALL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
IT CAN, YOU KNOW, BE A DECENT AMOUNT OF ADMIN WORK, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE ENERGY DRAW THAT YOU'RE USING.
IT HAS TO PENCIL OUT BEFORE IT MAKES SENSE AND WE THINK IT WILL ONCE WE'RE RUNNING THE ESPECIALLY FIXED DROUGHT BUSES.
BUT THAT'LL BE ANOTHER OPTION.
SO I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE ANTICIPATE THE COST TO BE SIMILAR.
AS IT BECOMES MORE CLEAR, WE'LL PROVIDE UPDATES AND REPORT IT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE.
BUT OTHER AGENCIES HAVE FOUND THAT THE COSTS ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY COMPARABLE.
ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENT, ERIC? YEAH, TWO JUST CAME TO MIND, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE COST SAVINGS ON, ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES AT SPECIFIC POINTS OF THE DAY WHEN I GO AND CHARGE AT A STATION, IT'S CHEAPER THAN MY OWN HOUSE.
BUT, UM, DOES THE CITY ITSELF HAVE A DIFFERENT RATE THAN WE WOULD PAY AT A CHARGE POINT OR AN ELECTRIFY AMERICA OR ONE OF THE OTHER STATIONS THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A NORMAL SEDAN? SO WE WILL, AS PART OF OUR ELECTRIFICATION CAPITAL PROJECT TO GET IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, THEY'RE RUNNING A SEPARATE FEED, A SEPARATE METER.
SO THE CURRENT BUILDING WILL REMAIN ON ITS CURRENT METER AND WE'LL ONLY HAVE ONE LEVEL TWO CHARGER WITH OUR BOLT AND OUR FORD LIGHTNING THAT GOES OFF THAT.
BUT ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE DOING AND FOR THE BIGGER VEHICLES WILL BE ON A SEPARATE METER.
AND WE ARE GETTING ON THE NEW KIND OF COMMERCIAL HEAVY USER RATE PLAN WITH PG AND E.
AND SO THE RATE IS MORE BENEFICIAL THAN PEOPLE WOULD GENERALLY SEE AT THEIR OWN HOME.
SINCE YOU'RE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, SINCE YOU'RE A HEAVY USER, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT BETTER RATE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO KIND OF LIMITATIONS RESTRICTIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE APPLIED TO THE EV FLEET PROGRAM GOT APPROVED BY THEM, THEY SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CAPACITY DURING THE DAY AND SO THE ONLY TIME THEY HAVE CAPACITY FOR US TO CHARGE IS FROM 9:00 PM TO 6:00 AM.
SO THERE'S KIND OF PROS AND CONS THERE.
I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THEIR NEEDS TO KIND OF UPGRADE THEIR, THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S JUST A REAL WORLD KIND OF EXAMPLE OF THAT.
'CAUSE UH, I MEAN AT, AT MY HOME, UM, THE RATE IS DIFFERENT IF, IF IT'S IN PEAK TIME, WHICH YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE FOUR TO 9:00 PM 'CAUSE EVERYONE'S HOME AS OPPOSED TO A LOWER RATE WHEN IT'S, WHEN NO ONE'S AWAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CHARGE 'EM AT NIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL FOR MOST PEOPLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THESE BUS LINES, THEY'RE GONNA BE CIRCULATING ALL DAY AND SO IT MIGHT BE, I WOULD ASSUME A A FLUCTUATING RATE.
SO IT'S SIMILAR WITH THE KIND OF BUSINESS COMMERCIAL.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES BY DIFFERENT TIMES A DAY.
THE LIMITATION KIND OF WORKS WELL WITH THEIR RATES OVERALL.
THEIR RATES DROP AT 9:00 PM I BELIEVE SO.
A, THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR US TO CHARGE BEFORE THAT ANYWAY, BUT B, WE'RE ABLE TO PROGRAM THE SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE INTELLIGENCE BOTH ON THE CHARGERS AND ON THE BUSES, SO THEY'RE ALL PLUG BASED.
WE WOULD PLUG THEM IN, BUT THEY'D BE PROGRAMMED TO NOT START UNTIL 9:00 PM MM-HMM
AND IT'LL TAKE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE HOURS TO FULLY CHARGE ONE OF THE FIXED DROP BUSES.
AND THAT WORKS OUT WELL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A 24 HOUR AGENCY.
SO GENERALLY IF EVERY BUS IS BACK IN THE YARD BY 10:00 PM WE PLUG THEM IN, THEY ALL SHOULD BE READY TO GO THE NEXT DAY WITH A FULL CHARGE.
AND WE'RE USING THE LOWEST RATE GENERALLY THAT YOU CAN THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
SURE, YES DAVE, TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, REGARDING THE FORD CHASSIS AND DRIVETRAIN.
I KNOW FORD HAS PIVOTED AWAY FROM EVS ON CONSUMER VEHICLES.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE THAT BECAUSE OF THIS DIFFERENT MARKET THAT WE'RE NOT BUYING A VEHICLE THAT MAY BE ORPHANED? YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO.
I THINK THEIR FORD TRANSIT ELECTRIC HAS BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT LINE WHICH THESE ARE BASED OFF OF, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CONCERNS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD CANCEL.
SOME OF THE OTHER VEHICLES YOU NEVER QUITE KNOW OF.
THEY'RE MORE LIKE THE HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT WITH THE ELECTRIC TRANSITS, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CONCERN WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE BEST SAFEST OPTION YOU COULD GO DOWN IF YOU WERE TO GET AN ELECTRIC CUTAWAY COMPARED TO THE OPTION OF THESE OTHER MANUFACTURERS I WAS MENTIONING.
THIS IS ABOUT THE SAFEST BET YOU COULD HAVE IN THAT REGARD.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, EITHER FOR THE FORD OR FOR THE, UM, MODIFIER FOREST RIVER, WAS IT FOREST RIVER? DOES EITHER ONE OF THOSE DO THEIR ASSEMBLY? UH, OUTSIDE OF THE US BORDERS? NO, ALL THEM THE US.
I MEAN,
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION AND I THINK I AGREED IT'S
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GREAT PRICE AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE CO-OP TO PURCHASE THROUGH.IT'S VERY, IT SEEMS VERY EFFICIENT.
UM, BUT I, I WAS HAD SOME QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE FLEET THAT YOU WERE, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE HAVE NINE, UM, CUTAWAYS RIGHT NOW, DID YOU SAY? YEAH, GENERALLY A FLEET OF NINE, ALTHOUGH TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN RETIRED.
SO TWO, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A FLEET OF NINE.
SO TWO ARE NOT USABLE, BUT WE KEEP THEM FOR PARTS.
WELL, NO, THEY'VE BEEN RETIRED BECAUSE THEY HAD LIKE AN ENGINE FAILURE.
SO WHAT'S NORMALLY NINE IS DOWN TO SEVEN.
THIS HELPS PUT US BACK TO THE NINE THAT WE GENERALLY, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A THEORETICAL FLEET SIZE OF NINE, RETIRED ACTUAL SEVEN, THEORETICAL NINE, THEY'VE GONE AWAY.
I I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU MEANT BY IT WAS LIKE WHY ARE WE KEEPING THEM? WE EAT OR NOT, THEY'RE GONE.
UM, AND HOW MANY ARE OPERATING DURING THE DAY OF OUR FLEET OF SEVEN? GENERALLY WE'RE USING FOUR TO FIVE A DAY.
IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON OTHER SITUATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH FIXED ROUTE BUSES, WE DON'T LIKE TO, BUT ON OCCASION WE CAN PUT A CUTAWAY ON THAT SERVICE.
BUT GENERALLY BALL'S GOING, WELL, WE'RE RUNNING FOUR TO FIVE OF THOSE PER DAY AND THEN ONE TO TWO LUGO VEHICLES PER DAY.
SO IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THAT'S A NEW SERVICE WE WEREN'T DOING IN THE PAST.
SO DURING PEAK TIMES, THAT REALLY CREATES A DEMAND FOR TWO MORE OF THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE THAN WHAT WE ADD IN YEARS PRIOR.
SO IF WE'RE RUNNING FOUR TO FIVE CAR TO SEVEN, IT, THEN WE ARE USING ALL SEVEN ALL DAY LONG.
SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THE OTHER VERY MUCH SO.
AND IT MEANS WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO USE THE OLDER MODELS.
THE ONES WE'RE GONNA BE RETIRING MORE THAN YOU'D LIKE.
GENERALLY WHEN YOU GET THE NEW ONES, THEY BECOME YOUR WORKHORSES, YOU USE 'EM MORE, THEY BREAK DOWN LESS OR MORE EFFICIENT.
SO IT'LL LET US GO AWAY FROM THOSE.
WHEREAS WE'VE BEEN RUNNING 'EM MORE THAN WE IDEALLY WOULD UNTIL WE BUY THIS.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FROM OTHER MEETINGS THAT THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT CONTINUED CITY FUNDING FOR LUMA GO.
SO THESE CUTAWAY BUSES ARE IDENTICAL AND IF FOR SOME REASON WE DID NOT GO FORWARD WITH LUMA GO, UH, THEY WOULD JUST MOVE RIGHT INTO THE PARATRANSIT FLEET.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS UM, IS A RESOLUTION THAT THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE NEEDS TO TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND DO I HAVE ANYONE TO MAKE A, UH, A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS REQUEST? SO MOVE.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SECOND IT? SECOND IT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? ABRAMS? YES.
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ON TO COMMITTEE COMMENT.UM, AND DURING THE COMMITTEE COMMENT, UH, MEMBERS AREN'T MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMITTEE, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES, UH, AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN US, UH, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
AND WE IN A, WE DID HAVE, UH, A TRANSIT ARTICLE SUBMITTED, UM, I CAN GUESS WHO SUBMITTED IT, UM,
SO LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN.
NO, IT, IT WAS JUST AN ARTICLE I CAME ACROSS THAT REALLY TALKS TO THE LUMA GO AND HOW EFFICIENT OR INEFFICIENT LUMA GO MIGHT BE.
WHAT? IT'S A, IT'S SMALLER THAN LU.
YOUR, YOUR ARTICLE WAS ON MUCH SMALLER THAN LUGO.
WELL IF LUMA GO IS CARRYING MORE THAN ONE PASSENGER
IT IS NOT EXACTLY LUMA GO, BUT IT JUST TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE GEOMETRY AND THE CONSTRAINTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TRANSIT SERVICE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS AN EFFECTIVE ARTICLE, SO I I CHOSE TO SHARE IT.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW, NEW TO THIS
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COMMITTEE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS.OUR CREATING RESOLUTION SAYS THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER ALL TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
IT DOESN'T LIMIT US TO PETALUMA TRANSIT.
AH, TRUST ME, NOBODY ELSE REALLY CARES ABOUT THAT.
BUT
HOWEVER, IT DOES GIMME SORT OF THE OPENING TO TALK ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF TRANSIT.
I ASSUME AT THIS POINT MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT SMART COULD BE FACING AN EX EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IF THEY DON'T GET A BALLOT MEASURE PASSED, UH, TO RENEW THEIR SALES TAX, THEY COULD GO AWAY IN 2029.
URBAN CHAT IS HOSTING THE POLITICAL CONSULTANT OF THE COMMITTEE TO THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE TRYING TO GET A BALLOT MEASURE IN PLACE FOR JUNE, 2026.
THAT MEETING WILL BE A WEEK FROM TOMORROW NIGHT.
UH, WOULD THAT BE AUGUST 27TH? SEVEN O'CLOCK KAVANAUGH CENTER TO SORT OF GET THE STRAIGHT SCOOP REGARDING WHAT THAT BALLOT MEASURE IS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP.
SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE THERE.
DID YOU SAY 7:00 PM? 7:00 PM AND THAT'S AUGUST 27TH.
KAVANAUGH CENTER, WHICH IS EIGHTH AND G.
ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? PATTY? AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WAS IN LOS ANGELES VISITING, UH, IN JULY, AND I WAS WRITING, UH, WRITING THE, THE METRO.
AND, UM, I NOTICED THAT, UH, LOS ANGELES NOW HAS A MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW BIG THE AREA IS, IS HUGE, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND WHAT AREA IT WORKS IN.
BUT THEY WERE ADVERTISING, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF MICROT TRANSIT AND UM, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION AROUND LUMA GO IS GOING TO BE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE OTHER, UH, JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE NOW, UH, CONSIDERING MICRO TRANSIT AS, UH, AS AN OPTION FOR TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, HUGE JURISDICTIONS AT THAT.
I WAS, UH, I WAS ON VACATION, UM, OH, DURING THE LAST PAC MEETING.
SO I DON'T HAVE A LIAISON, UH, UPDATE, UH, FOR PAC.
UM, I, I'LL SAY THAT THE, UH, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS QUITE ROBUST.
UH, WE HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, AND SO EVERY SINGLE, LIKE, THERE WERE LITERALLY THE, THIS WHOLE DIOCESE WAS FULL OF BOTH COMMITTEES.
I GOT TO MEET SOME NEW FRIENDS.
UM, AND, UH, WE WERE, WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF, UM, SEEING A PRESENTATION ON THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, UH, THAT IS PLANNED FOR, UM, THE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE SORT OF THE NORTHWEST NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE NEWS ABOUT THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AND AT SOME POINT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO SHARE, UH, ANY, ANY INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, HAD A, UH, AN, AN ORDINANCE, UM, ANOTHER KEY PIECE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA, UM, I GUESS LEGISLATION IF YOU WILL.
UH, AN URGENCY ORDINANCE AROUND, UH, TIGHTENING UP LOOPHOLES IN OUR, UM, UM, SORRY, THE MOBILE HOME ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND, UH, AND, AND NOT ONLY A, AN AN URGENCY ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO A, UM, UH, A ANOTHER ORDINANCE TO COME THAT'LL BE SORT OF A FULL, THE URGENCY ORDINANCES ARE MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE, THE REGULAR ORDINANCE CAN BE PUT IN PLACE.
SO THAT WAS THE OTHER HOT TOPIC.
UH, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, ON MY VACATION WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, UH, TO GO TO, UH, SOUTHERN UTAH, BRYCE CANYON, UM, AND AS WELL AS ZION NATIONAL PARK.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME WHILE I WAS THERE AT THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH THOSE PARKS, UH, IS THE PUBLIC BUSES THAT NOT ONLY CIRCULATE WITHIN THE PARK TO REDUCE VEHICLE TRAFFIC WITHIN THE PARK, UM, BUT ALSO THEY CIRCULATE OUTSIDE OF THE PARK BOUNDARIES TO THE NEIGHBORING TOWNS
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TO PICK PEOPLE UP FROM THOSE TOWNS AND BRING THEM INTO THE PARK AND THE CIRCULATION OF THEM.UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUSES WERE RUNNING EVERY 10 TO 15 MINUTES AND IT REALLY WAS SUPER CONVENIENT.
AND, UH, SO EVERY TIME I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO EXPERIENCE THAT, IT JUST, UM, CONTINUES TO REINFORCE THE VALUE OF IT AND I, AND IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS TO A FAULT.
IT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I LOOK AT LUMA GO, UM, IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST EFFICIENT FORM OF MICROT TRANSIT THAT WE HAVE, BUT ONE OF THE MOST, YOU KNOW, I I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A CHALLENGE IN PETALUMA WITH GETTING, WITH MOVING FORWARD ON ANY KIND OF PROJECTS IN AND AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST CHALLENGES THAT ARE ALWAYS SORT OF PRESENTED WHENEVER ANYTHING IS TALKED ABOUT IS THE IMPACT TO TRAFFIC AND, AND WHETHER IT'S LUMA GO OR WHETHER IT'S, UM, A FIXED, UH, TRANSIT THAT IS JUST MORE FREQUENT AND MORE AND, AND, AND MORE ACCESSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY IS THE, IS THE THING THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN HELP US MOVE BEYOND THAT, THAT CHALLENGE.
IT'S VERY REAL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO JUST SOME, JUST SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I HAVE ONE IMPORTANT COMMENT FOR ERIC, WHICH I HAVE, UH, A CONFLICT AND WILL NOT BE AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING
UH, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN ANNOTATED, UM, AGENDA.
AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IN, UH, THE AD HOC MEETINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, UM, DAVE AT LAST MEETING AND I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM IN THIS MEETING.
UM, BUT SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, GETTING SOME AD HOC MEETINGS GOING FOR LUMA GO, WHICH PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR WHAT CITY COUNCIL THINKS ABOUT LUMA GO PILOT.
UH, AND THEN, BUT ALSO ABOUT THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT POLICY, WHICH YOU WERE THINKING OF STARTING UP IN SEPTEMBER.
SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT OUR, AND THEN AS A THIRD CONCEPT WAS, UM, A UH, GETTING IN, UH, CONNECTION WITH THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT WRITERS COMMITTEE, THOSE WERE ACTUALLY COVERED.
THE FIRST THING IN THE TRANSIT MANAGER REPORT, OH, SORRY,
WRONG AGAIN, MUST BE BECAUSE OF THAT WEB PROBLEM.
SO THEN MY ONLY COMMENT WAS I WON'T BE HERE IN SEPTEMBER.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW, NOW I'M CLUSTERED.
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TRANSIT MANAGERS REPORT.SO, UH, FIXED ROUTE RIDERSHIP FOR THE MONTH OF JULY.
IT SAYS DECREASE, SORRY, IT JUST SAYS INCREASE 4.5% AND PARATRANSIT RIDERSHIP IS UP 32.5%.
SO A PARTICULARLY BIG INCREASE THERE.
UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ITEM FROM THE LAST MEETING OF OUR AD HOCS, UH, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.
SO AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS THREE TOPICS THAT WERE BROACHED AT THE LAST MEETING AS POSSIBLE TOPICS FOR AD HOC GROUPS.
WE SHOULD CALL 'EM GROUPS, I WOULD SAY NOT COMMITTEES.
THERE IS A TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE THERE IN TERMS OF BROWN ACT.
SO THESE WOULD BE GROUPS AND THE THREE WERE ONE FOCUS ON THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN UPDATE.
THE SECOND WAS FOCUS ON LUGO SERVICE.
AND THEN THE THIRD WAS REFERRING TO NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS, A RECENT ADVOCACY GROUP THAT WAS CREATED.
AND SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD LAST TIME, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT IS CREATING TWO AD HOC GROUPS.
AND SO ONE OF THEM WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN.
AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A SIX TO MIN NINE MONTH PROCESS AND WE WOULD HAVE FOUR TO SIX MEETINGS.
AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE INPUT FROM ANYONE HERE ON THIS COMMITTEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT AD HOC GROUP.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
AND THAT WOULD BE KICKING OFF IN ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS, WE ANTICIPATE.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE REVOLVING AROUND LUGO SERVICE AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION DISCUSSIONS HERE AND THEN COUNSEL,
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BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET UPDATED GUIDANCE FROM BOTH OF THOSE BODIES ON WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT SERVICE LOOKS LIKE.DOES IT CONTINUE? DOES IT CONTINUE AS IS? IS THERE MODIFICATIONS AND EXPANSION OF IT? DOES IT NOT CONTINUE? BUT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT EXACTLY THIS GROUP WOULD DO.
SO BASED ON HOW THAT FEEDBACK GOES, WE'LL BE FORMING THIS AD HOC AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING TO WHERE IT WAS EITHER KEPT STATUS QUO OR NOT CONTINUED, UM, HOPEFULLY THE LATTER WON'T BE THE OUTCOME, BUT ONE POTENTIAL ONE THEN I THINK THAT GROUP WOULD MEET PERHAPS ONE TIME TO KIND OF JUST RECAP AND SEE WHAT THE SERVICE IS, UM, AND GET KIND OF AROUND A FEEDBACK.
BUT ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE ABOUT MODIFYING OR EXPANDING THE SERVICE, THEN I THINK THAT GROUP BECOMES POTENTIALLY A BIT MORE EXPANSIVE.
AND AS WE DID WITH KIND OF THE INITIAL SETUP OF THE SERVICE.
AND PEOPLE MAY RECALL WE HAD AD HOC GROUP THAT HAD, UM, AT LEAST ONE MEMBER FROM TAC ON THERE ABOUT MULTIPLE, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT A SIX MONTH PROCESS.
AND WE ANTICIPATE IF THAT'S A PATH WE GO DOWN, THAT PROCESS WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND PROBABLY HAVE TWO TO THREE MEETINGS.
SO SIMILARLY ON THAT ONE, WE'RE HAPPY TO RECEIVE INTEREST FROM ANYONE HERE THEY WANT TO SERVE ON THAT.
FOR THE THIRD ONE, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WARRANTED TO HAVE A AD HOC GROUP BECAUSE IT WAS MORE OF LIKE A ONE-OFF OR MAYBE A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT GROUP, THE UM, NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT MORE EXPANSIVE KIND OF SPECIFIC TOPIC LIKE THE OTHER AD HOCS ARE.
SO WHAT I'LL BE DOING IS I'LL BE SETTING UP A MEETING WITH THEM, REACHING OUT TO THEM AND THEIR UH, CHAIR.
AND THEN IF ANYONE HERE FROM THIS GROUP IS SIMILARLY INTERESTED IN THAT MEETING THAT WE SET UP, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU JOIN AS LONG AS FOR THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THE QUORUM OF COURSE WITH BROWN ACTS.
BUT ON THAT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ANY, UH, INTERESTS.
WE CAN TAKE A PAUSE HERE ON THAT APPROACH.
AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR INTERESTS IN SERVING ON THOSE AD HOCS.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN AD HOC? YEAH, BUT I, I MEAN I WOULD JUST SO LONG AS WE KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD MEET.
OKAY, SO YOU HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH.
UH, CHAIR, ABRAMS, ALDEN, VASQUEZ, AND QUINN.
NOW IS THAT A CONCERN IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER? I THINK IT WOULD BE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO WHY DON'T WE MAYBE SEE INTEREST IN THE OTHER ONE.
SO WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE LUMA GO AD HOC GROUP? PATTY, DAVE, ERIC.
SO THAT'S WHY I PICKED THE OTHER ONE.
'CAUSE EVERYONE WAS LAST MONTH WANTED TO BE ON LI GO, SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, FINE.
UM, SO I GUESS, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE, UH, WITH A, AN 11-YEAR-OLD WHO'S PLAYING FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW, UH, AND WORKING FULL TIME, UH, AND COUNSEL, IF THERE'S PLENTY OF ACT OR PLENTY OF INTEREST IN PARTICIPATION, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, STAYING ON THE SIDELINE.
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK WHAT FRANK MEANT IS HE'S WORKING FULL TIME NOW AS 11 YEARS WORKING.
11 YEAR OLDS WORKING FULL TIME.
WELL IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN WE ADD THREE FOR LUMA AGO.
AND THEN PERHAPS IF YOU WANNA BE OFF THE HOOK FOR THE SRTP, THE OTHER THREE FOLKS CAN DO THAT.
SO I'LL BE REACHING OUT, UM, AGAIN WITH THE LUGO, A LITTLE UNCERTAINTY ON KIND OF THAT TIMING AND APPROACH.
SO WE WILL WAIT A LITTLE BIT, BUT SRTP PEOPLE WILL BE HEARING FROM ME, UH, FAIRLY SOON ON THAT.
SO WHO WERE THE THREE FOR LUGO? SO FOR LUGO, I HAD COLE, ROSS, VASQUEZ AND ALDEN.
AND THEN FOR S-R-T-P-I HAD ALDEN, ABRAMS AND VASQUEZ DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T RAISE YOUR HAND? NO.
AND UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MEETING THE HEAD OF THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT WRITERS.
WHEN YOU SET UP THAT MEETING, WOULD ANYONE ELSE BE INTERESTED IN JOINING THAT MEETING? YEAH, I, I'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THEM HALFWAY REGULARLY, SO I SHOULD AT LEAST MAKE THE INTRODUCTIONS.
I'D BE INTERESTED AS WELL IF THAT'S NOT TOO MANY.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE GET MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF ANY
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INVOLVED.LIKE I KNOW WE HAD QUITE A NUMBER OF, OR WE, WE DEFINITELY HAD REPRESENTATIVES OUTSIDE OF TAC FOR THE FIRST LUMA AGO AD HOC.
SO WOULD WE BE DOING THAT? AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT FOR THE SECOND ROUND.
AND I'M CURIOUS TO GET INPUT FROM OTHERS.
I MEAN, WHEN WE DID IT THE FIRST TIME, YES WE HAD EXTERNAL REPRESENTATION AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SIMILAR, GOOD TO DO SIMILAR AND HAVE SIMILAR GROUPS ON THERE.
LIKE WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE FROM NONPROFITS ON THE SENIOR SIDE REPRESENTING THAT COMMUNITY.
WE HAD FOLKS WHO WERE REPRESENTING THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUND WE COULD POTENTIALLY COVER WITH THE COMPOSITION OF WHO'S ON THOSE DIFFERENT AD HOCS.
UM, SO I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR ANY THOUGHTS OR INPUT PEOPLE HAVE ON KIND OF THE COMPOSITION AND WHO AND HOW MANY PEOPLE PERHAPS SHOULD BE ON THOSE.
IT'S A BALANCE I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE IS
AND I WAS JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WOULD BE INTERESTED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICT, BUT MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WHO LIVES OUT, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE RANGE OF ANY OF OUR FIXED ROOTS AND I MEAN HE, HE DOES WALK DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S, IT'S A HIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, TO GET ON THEM SOMETIMES.
BUT HE WAS, AND HE WOULD ORDER ALUMA GO AT AT THE LIMIT, YOU KNOW, AND JUST WALK TO THERE.
UM, BUT HE, HE WROTE IT A LOT AND HAD A LOT OF THOUGHTS OF HOW IT COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I COULD LET HIM KNOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT WITH THAT.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF HE'S DFES WOULD GO FOR IT, BUT I THOUGHT I'D CHECK HERE FIRST.
ANYONE WHO'S RIDDEN IT I THINK IS A, YOU KNOW, ANY CITIZEN WHO'S RIDDEN IT, IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO AN AD HOC.
UH, LET'S SEE A COUPLES BEFORE BUT OUR ELECTRIC BUSES, WE'VE NOW RECEIVED ALL FOUR OF THE NEW FLYERS.
WE'RE FINALIZING THE ARTWORK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKET.
WE ANTICIPATE THE WRAPPING DATE BEING SEPTEMBER 15TH AS OF NOW FOR THOSE.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THOSE RUNNING BY SAY SEPTEMBER 30TH.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PETALUMA CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT SO WE CAN POTENTIALLY USE THEIR CHARGER SO WE CAN USE THOSE UH, IN SOME CAPACITY UNTIL WE FINISH OUR OWN CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO CONTINUING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THAT FACILITY ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'LL BE KICKING OFF ON OCTOBER 1ST AND OF ALL GOES WELL HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
ONE THING WORTH NOTING WITH THAT IS WE'LL BE CUTTING DOWN ON THE SPACE WITHIN OUR YARD WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT PROJECT, THEY TAKE OUT A DECENT PORTION OF IT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AREA FOR A TEMPORARY BASIS.
SO WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS SOME OF THE BUSES WILL BE PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE YARD OVERNIGHT TEMPORARILY FOR ABOUT ONE TO THREE MONTHS WE ANTICIPATE.
SO THAT'LL BE THE AREA AT THE END OF RAINIER WHERE THERE'S PARKING CURRENTLY FOR THE DOG PARK.
WE'LL BE USING THAT PARKING OVERNIGHT, WHICH IS AN IDEAL BUT IS KIND OF A URGENT TEMPORARY THING.
AND WE'LL BE DOING OUTREACH TO THE BUSINESSES NEARBY SO THEY KNOW ACCORDINGLY.
UH, WE DID OUR SERVICE SCHEDULE CHANGE ON AUGUST 9TH.
THAT WAS JUST MINOR ADJUSTMENTS WITH OUR SCHOOL TRIPPERS COMING BACK INTO SERVICE.
UM, SO NO MAJOR CHANGES ON THAT.
SO OF COURSE WE'VE HAD A PRESENTATION LAST MEETING ON THE MASCOTS PLAN.
THERE'S STILL UPCOMING PUBLIC EVENTS IF PEOPLE WANT TO UM, ATTEND THOSE.
THE PETALUMA OPEN HOUSE ON JULY 30TH, WE HAD GOOD ATTENDANCE.
WE HAD 50 PEOPLE FROM PETALUMA ATTENDING THAT, UH, RECEIVED A GOOD AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD WITH THIS GROUP.
PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT THE SMART EXPANSION, ADDITIONAL TRIPS, UH, MORE FREQUENCY.
THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE LOSS OF THE LATE NIGHT GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT SERVICE.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE IS WHAT WE HEARD AT THAT MEETING.
UM, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A EVENT, THERE WAS ONE YESTERDAY, THE LAST PUBLIC ONE IN SANTA ROSA AND TWO TOMORROW THAT ARE VIRTUAL.
AND SO YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION ON THE UH, WEB LINK THERE IN YOUR PACKET OR YOU CAN GOOGLE MASCOT'S TRANSIT PLAN AND THE TWO VIRTUAL ONES WILL BE TOMORROW FROM 12 TO 1:00 PM AND FIVE TO 6:00 PM AND I'LL BE ON THAT ALONG WITH MEMBERS FROM THE OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES.
SO PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, THEY CAN ATTEND THOSE.
AND THEN THE SURVEY IS STILL OPEN, WHICH IS ALSO LINKED IN YOUR PACKET.
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FEEDBACK IS REQUESTED THROUGH AUGUST 22ND.UH, 10 PEOPLE WILL BE RANDOMLY SELECTED TO WIN A $50 GIFT CARD BY DOING THAT SURVEY.
SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GO ONLINE AND PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK THAT WAY TOO.
OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE FOR FUTURE AGENDAS, WE'LL OF COURSE REVISIT LUGO AND ADD THAT PRESENTATION.
WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO DO THE TRANSIT BUDGET PRESENTATION.
WE'VE BEEN UNUSUALLY PRETTY HEAVILY LOADED ON OUR AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE PAST FEW MEETINGS.
SO, UH, TRYING TO GET BACK UP ON THAT.
AND THEN THAT FIXED ROUTE BUS PROCUREMENT WILL BE COMING LATER THIS YEAR.
WE ANTICIPATE AROUND NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
THAT'LL BE BUYING THREE TO SEVEN MORE BUSES DEPENDING ON IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR UH, LOW NO GRANTS THAT WE SUBMITTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND THEN ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD HEARD ABOUT BEFORE IS I THINK THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA WHERE WE WOULD'VE CANCELED THE MEETING, WE MAY DO A TOUR OF THE FACILITY AND OUR VEHICLES.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG BY THAT POINT.
HAVE THE COMMITTEE COME OUT TO THE TRANSIT CENTER AND YOU CAN SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE PUT IN EITHER IN PROGRESS OR COMPLETED AND MAYBE EVEN RIDE ONE OF THE NEW ELECTRIC BUSES.
SO, AND THAT COMPLETES THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MANAGER'S REPORT? UH, JUST ONE QUESTION.
WHEN WE GO TO PUT THE ELECTRIC BUSES IN THE SERVICE, HAVE YOU GIVEN CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE SCHEDULING SOME KIND OF RIBBON CUTTING? WE HAVE.
WE HAVEN'T NAILED THAT DOWN YET, BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DO YOU FEEL THERE'D BE INTEREST IN DOING THAT TYPE OF EVENT? UH, YEAH I WOULD.
UH, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
UM, WE SHOULD MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT AND UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, AN INAUGURAL BUS RIDE.
UH, SO STAY TUNED FOR DETAILS OF THAT.
EVERYONE WILL BE INVITED FOR THAT RIBBON CUTTING KICKOFF.
UH, LIKE I WAS SAYING, PROBABLY SECOND HALF OF SEPTEMBER RIGHT NOW.
UH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE CLOSE TO ADDING STAFF RECENTLY.
DID THAT COME TO PASS? SO YES, AS OF THIS WEEK WE ARE CONFIRMED THAT WE'RE HIRING A NEW STAFF MEMBER.
IT'S THE TRANSIT SPECIALIST POSITION.
WE'RE STILL DOTTING THE I'S AND CROSSING THE T'S, BUT SHE'S ANTICIPATED TO START WITH US IN SEPTEMBER 2ND.
AND THAT'S THE POSITION THAT WAS FORMALLY FILLED BY SYLVIA MARTINEZ, PALACIOS AND THEN MARIA RC BEFORE THAT POSITION WAS MODIFIED.
SO THAT'LL BE NICE BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POSITION FOR US THAT DOES A MARKETING COMMS PARATRANSIT APPLICATIONS.
IT'LL BE GREAT TO BE FULLY STAFFED TO THAT ONE AGAIN.
SO YOU'LL BE MEETING HER SOON.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION I THINK LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING UH, MASCOT, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD BE FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE REROUTED FROM THE BUS TO THE SMART TRAIN.
WERE WE ABLE TO GET AN UH, RESPONSE ON THAT OR THEY DO HAVE THAT ON THE WEBSITE AND THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS? I WON'T TRY TO REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL PERMUTATIONS OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO AND FROM.
I WOULD ADVISE PEOPLE GO ON THE MASCOT'S WEBSITE AND THEY DO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION ON THERE.
SO I TOOK THE MASCOT SURVEY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO IN PUBLIC HEALTH,
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS INTERESTINGLY LAID OUT BUT UH, I DID GET THROUGH IT AND AT THE END I VOLUNTEERED TO COLLECT SOME QUALITATIVE DATA FOR THEM ABOUT THE LATE NIGHT GOLDEN GATE, UH, TRANSFER BUS SERVICE AND THAT THEY SHOULD ASK YOU JART, WHO I AM,
I'LL SAY ONE OF OUR TAC MEMBERS IS INTERESTED AND KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT THEN WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6 38.