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UNMUTE.IS YOUR MIC ON PLEASE? THANK YOU.
I YOU JUST, WELL, NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE BARRIERS YEAH, YOU CAN HEAR ME, BUT I GUESS THE ZOOM BROADCAST.
HOPE EVERYONE HAD A NICE SUMMER.
UM, GOOD TO BE, UH, BACK IN THE SWING OF THINGS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT VERY YEAR LATER.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
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ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, UH, BACK IN JUNE? ALL RIGHT.WE HEARING NONE? UH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY FORMAL PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT EITHER.
ALEX, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US A UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE NOW THAT WE'RE BACK IN THE FALL? OH, OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, GOT A GOOD PACE GOING RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
I WAS LIKE ALL ON A ROLL, BUT I, I FORGOT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AS ALWAYS.
I FORGET ANYTHING ELSE?
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ALRIGHT, ALEX, BACK TO YOU, SIR.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE NOW, BUT I THINK BACK IN JULY WE APPROVED TITLE 16 COUNSEL DID.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S EFFECTIVE NOW, DAN.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY UPDATE.
UM, AND WE HAVE, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE, UM, TOM AND BARRY, UH, BARRY'S GONNA GIVE THAT UPDATE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE UPDATE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? ALL RIGHT.
COME ON UP AND GIVE US YOUR UPDATE, PLEASE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK, UH, FOR TOM.
HE WAS GOING TO ORIGINALLY SPEAK AND I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AFTERWARDS.
I'LL MAKE A FEW MORE COMMENTS AFTERWARDS.
AND IT'S NOT A LONG REPORT AT ALL.
UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE IS GIVEN YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION IN MEETINGS PAST.
UH, WHAT WE DO ON THE LIAISON SUBCOMMITTEE IS TOM HAS A BUNCH OF PAPERS THAT HE GIVES EVERYBODY THAT TALK ABOUT THE TOURISM, THE INCOME OF THE, THAT THE AIRPORT BRINGS INTO THE CITY, UH, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON AND HOW THE AIRPORT'S BASICALLY OPERATED.
AND THEN WE SPEAK TO THE INDIVIDUAL, WHATEVER THEIR DEPARTMENT HAPPENS TO BE, AND RELATE THE AIRPORT TO THAT.
AND WE HAVE FOUND IT JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
EVERYBODY'S VERY ENTHUSIASTIC.
THEY'RE VERY FRIENDLY, THEY'RE VERY INQUISITIVE ABOUT IT.
AND THEY'RE VERY GRATEFUL THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GET TOGETHER.
'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM SAID, GEE, I HADN ANY, ANY IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT? I HADN'T A CLUE.
SO THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE, WE HAVE SEEN THIS ABOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO.
NOT IN ANY ORDER, BUT WE HAVE, UH, TOM JORDAN, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGER, UH, CITY PE, EMERGENCY MANAGER AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE BRIAN MILLER, POLICE CHIEF.
VERY GOOD POLICE CHIEF, BY THE WAY.
BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALEX DI CARLY, UH, OH YEAH.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND AIRPORT COMMISSIONER.
UH, THAT WAS A GOOD, GOOD GET TOGETHER.
HE WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, VERY INTERESTED, VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THE AIRPORT.
AND PAUL, UH, AL, WHO'S DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND DAN'S, UH, DI DIRECT BOSS.
UM, I WANT TO STRESS HOW IMPORTANT AND USEFUL THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE.
WE BRING UP THINGS THAT THEY NEVER THOUGHT OF BEFORE.
AND, UH, IT, IT, IT DOES, BRINGS A COHESION TO, TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, THE AIRPORT AND THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.
AND, UH, PEGGY, THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, ALSO WITH THINGS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IS THE RESULT OF, OF, OF THE COMMENTS ARE HOW MUCH PEOPLE ENJOY DEALING WITH DAN.
AND THEY SAY COMMENTS LIKE HOW GOOD HE IS, AND HE'S GOT A HARD JOB OUT THERE.
HE IS, GOT A TOUGH JOB OUT THERE.
AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL SAY, WE UNDERSTAND HE'S GOT SOME
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DIFFICULTIES OUT THERE THAT HE HAS TO DEAL WITH.AND HE HAS TO DEAL WITH ALL KINDS OF, HE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
HE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE FAA, UH, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO PASS ON THE COMPLIMENTS TO EVERYBODY.
ALSO, PEGGY, THE CITY MANAGER, EVERYBODY REALLY RESPECTS HER AND LIKES HOW SHE, UH, IS OPERATING THE, THE, THE AIRPORT AND THE, THE, THE CITY IN GENERAL.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO, THAT YOU DO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE COMMITTEE COMMISSION, UH, EXCEPT SUGGEST CLOSING OUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR NOW.
UH, WE'VE SEEN EVERYBODY THAT'S, THAT'S NEW, BUT PEOPLE WILL COME ALONG AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'LL BE THREE NEW PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, LAY IT ASIDE FOR NOW AND MAY PERHAPS MARCH OR APRIL NEXT YEAR BRING IT BACK.
I'D BE HAPPY TO BE ON IT ONCE AGAIN.
TOM WILL STILL BE A COMMISSIONER UNTIL NEXT JUNE 30TH.
SO HE AND I COULD DO WORK FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PASS IT ON TO NEW, NEW COMMISSIONERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND ONE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO REPORT TO YOU IS THAT THIS WEEK IS THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE LUM AIRPORT.
UH, THIS WAS IN THE ARGUS COURIER CITY'S NEW AIRPORT APPROACHES TAKEOFF.
AND THIS WAS, UH, ON THE DAY OF THE ACTUAL CELEBRATION, WHICH WAS, UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND.
AND, UH, CONGRESSMAN DON CLAWSON THERE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND I THINK I'M THERE TOO IN THAT PHOTO.
SO 40 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK WHEN THE AIRPORT WAS OPENED.
IF ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR ANY ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO, TO HANDLE NEXT TIME? THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE DIFFERENT OFFICES THAT YOU ACTUALLY SPOKE TO? SO THAT
SO THERE SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE PART OF THE MINUTES OF WHO, WHO, THE, WHO THE PEOPLE WERE.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT TO, TO TO KNOW
YEAH, I WOULD, IF WE CAN AND WE CAN COORDINATE WITH TOM WHEN HE'S BACK TOO, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN TRY TO GET ALL THE MATERIALS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT TOGETHER IN A PLACE THAT MORE THAN JUST THE TWO OF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, SO LIKE MAYBE ON FILE IN THE OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT, UM, WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SUCCESSION PLANNING AND CONTINUITY.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, TOM HITTING TERM LIMITS AND, AND WHATNOT COMING UP.
SO HAS ALL THAT I KNOW HE'D BE MORE, OKAY.
SO, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE PRESENTED ONE, BUT WE, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID PUT TOGETHER A THUMB DRIVE THAT PUT THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT? NO, WE ALL PUT TOGETHER A THUMB DIRECTIVE.
IN FACT, I'VE GOT IT SITTING ON MY DESK.
AND IT HAS ALL, IT HAS EVERYTHING IN IT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO HAVE IT IN THE CLOUD SOMEWHERE GOING FORWARD.
UM, I, I DON'T, I, UM, SO WE HAVEN'T ASSIGNED YOU, UM, CITY EMAIL ADDRESSES, SO I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ACCESS TO SHAREPOINT, BUT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING MAYBE TO HAVE A REPOSITORY OF, OF INFORMATION THAT'S POSSIBLY ACCESSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TROUBLE IS GETTING ACCESS TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DIGITAL COPY OF IT, THAT THE STAFF KNOWS WHERE IT IS.
UM, WE CAN STORE IT FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE PROVIDED, IF JUST TO HAVE A BACKUP YEAH, WE CAN DO IT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
CITY PARK HAS A LOT, LOT OF DATA TOO AVAILABLE.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA TRY TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE AND HAVE SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT KNOW WHERE THAT PLACE IS.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY
UM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMEBODY'S DESK DRAWER, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT WERE MY DESK DRAWER, THAT WOULDN'T BE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT AT THIS TIME? I WON'T ASK EVERYBODY HOW YOUR SUMMER VACATION WAS.
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DAN, I THINK THEY'RE UP TO THE MANAGER REPORT.SO, UH, STARTING WITH THE FINANCIAL, UM, KIND OF CLOSING OUT, UH, FISCAL YEAR, UH, 25
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ENDING, UH, JUNE 30TH, UM, DID PRETTY GOOD OVERALL.WE, UM, OUR ACTUALS, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, REVENUE, UM, REMOVING THE CIP PROJECT WORK, UM, WAS ABOUT 2.2, UM, MILLION DOLLARS, UH, IN REVENUE.
AND THEN EXPENDITURES WERE ABOUT 2.1.
UM, IF YOU INCLUDE THE PROJECT WORK QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, ONE REASON THE, UM, PROJECTED BUDGETED, UM, REVENUE WAS, WAS A LOT LOWER THAN IT ACTUALLY CAME IN, WAS THE TIMING OF THE REIMBURSEMENT.
SO, UM, IN GENERAL, I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE A LOT OF FAA, UM, REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS JUST 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO GET EVERYONE TO SIGN IT, INCLUDING CITY MANAGER.
SO WE TEND TO LIKE STAGE US OUT.
AND WE DID IT PRETTY LATE IN JUNE.
UM, SO WE HAD ABOUT, UH, 200, $250,000 THAT CAME THROUGH, UH, RIGHT AT THE END OF JUNE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WAS EXPECTED.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, OVERALL THAT'S, IT WAS A REALLY BALANCED, AS FAR AS THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET, UM, VERY, VERY WELL BALANCED.
AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE DID REALLY GOOD CONSIDERING SOME OF THE EXTRA EXPENSES THAT WE, WE GOT INTO AND CLOUDING A LOT OF HANGAR WORK, REPAIR WORK, UM, UH, DESIGN WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO, UM, AND THEN, UM, THEN AS FAR AS, UH, THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE NOT MUCH TO REPORT YET.
WE'RE ONLY SHOWING, UM, COMPLETE RECORDS TO THE END OF, UH, JULY.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE PRETTY EARLY INTO IT, SO IT'S HARD TO REALLY PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
BUT, UM, IT'S A REALLY BIG BUDGET THIS YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WIDTH PROJECTS, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 5.2 OR 5.3 MILLION, UM, IN FEDERAL ASSISTANCE, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE A BIT IF THOSE, WE STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED, UM, CONFIRMATION THAT THOSE WERE APPROVED.
BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN CHECKING IN WITH THE FAA AND SO FAR WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED FOR ANYTHING AND WE'VE PROVIDED EVERYTHING THEY'VE REQUIRED AND REQUESTED.
SO, UM, WE'RE STILL CONFIDENT WE'RE GONNA GET ANY DAY NOW WE'RE GONNA GET, UM, NOTIFICATION ABOUT THAT, UH, THOSE GRANTS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YEAH.
UM, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, FISCAL YEAR OR THIS FISCAL YEAR? UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR.
IS IT, IS IT DIRECTLY FROM THE, UM, EXPENDITURE REPORT? YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURE STATUS REPORT ON PAGE TWO.
AND IT'S THE JULY ONE THROUGH, WELL, ACTUALLY THIS IS, OH YEAH, WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT'S JULY ONE THROUGH 6 30, 20 25.
WHICH ITEM WAS IT? UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, MY QUESTION IS ON THE DEBT SERVICE AND THE DEBT SERVICE INTEREST.
IS THIS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE PAY THAT? YES.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE FINAL ESTIMATED, UM, PAYMENT, UH, THE FIVE 11 PRINCIPLE JUST UNDER 7,000 FOR, UM, INTEREST.
AND LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UM, ONE SECOND.
THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST, I THINK I SAW SOMETHING LIKE, UH, $70,000 ON LEASED VEHICLES.
THAT'S FOR THE VEHICLE PURCHASE.
SO, UH, ON MONDAY, UH, WE HAVE TWO, UH, RESOLUTIONS GOING FORWARD.
COUNSEL, UH, ONE FOR A SKID STEER TO REPLACE OUR 25 PLUS YEAR OLD TRACTOR.
AND, UM, WE ARE ADDING A VEHICLE, TECHNICALLY WE ONLY HAVE TWO AIRPORT VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND SO THIS WOULD ADD A THIRD, UH, THIRD VEHICLE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURCHASE OF THE, UM, THAT ONE IS FOR A PURCHASE OF A, A FORD F-150 LIGHTNING TRUCK.
SO THAT'S, THE EQUIPMENT WAS 130,000 VEHICLE.
AND THEN THE 130,000 IS THE, UM, THE SKID STEERER? YEP.
THE SKID STEERER AND THE 70 K MM-HMM
WE PROJECTED THESE OUT ON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, YOU MIGHT RECALL MM-HMM
UM, WHICH NEEDS SOME UPDATING.
A LOT HAS CHANGED, BUT, UM, WE'RE STILL PRETTY CLOSE TO THOSE PROJECTIONS.
AND THE INTENT WAS TO, UH, REPLACE OR ACTUALLY ADD A VEHICLE THIS YEAR, REPLACE THE VEHICLE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A DYING SUV THAT WON'T BATTERY WON'T CHARGE ANYMORE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF COAXING IT THROUGH ONE MORE, ONE MORE FISCAL YEAR HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'LL HAVE THREE, THREE VEHICLES FOR THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE KIND OF BORROWED A FOURTH VEHICLE FROM THE MARINA, BUT THAT'S REALLY, NEEDS TO BE A MARINA VEHICLE.
IT NEEDS TO STAY IN THE MARINA.
IT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR BY THE MARINA.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE, THE THREE VEHICLES WE HAVE, INCLUDING THIS, THIS LIGHTNING TRUCK, THE OFFICIAL VEHICLES FOR THE AIRPORT.
UM, SO WE DON'T GET, GET ISSUES WITH MIXING AND MATCHING.
I THINK IT WAS JUST THOSE TWO QUESTIONS.
IS THE, UH, THE SUV THAT'S DYING, IS IT MORE THAN IT JUST NEEDS A NEW ALTERNATOR? TRIED THAT? WE
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BATTERY ALTERNATOR COMPUTER, UM, A LOT HAS BEEN DONE IN HOUSE, UM, EVEN SAID THE FORD DEALERSHIP AND THEY SAID, WE CAN'T EVEN GET PARTS FOR, SO THERE'S A SHORT SOMEWHERE THAT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A, A WIRING ISSUE.SO WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE GOT TRICKLE CHARGER ON IT AND WE, WE, I DRILLED THE HOLE IN THE BUMPER.
WE'VE GOT A PLUG SO WE CAN PLUG IN AT NIGHT AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE BEST OF IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GOOD VEHICLE.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OUT OF IT, BUT, UM, IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL HAVE A, A THIRD AND IT'LL ALSO DECREASE US USING OUR OWN VEHICLES.
I PRETTY MUCH DRIVE MY OWN VEHICLE FOR MOST CITY BUSINESS JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T SPARE CARS.
ANY OTHER, UM, UH, UH, BUDGETARY, UM, FINANCIAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OPERATIONS? OKAY.
WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
UM, UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER DELEY FOR MENTIONING THAT IT'S TITLE 16.
IT IS, UH, IT MENTIONED THAT, UM, IT IS IN EFFECT.
UM, I WILL SAY THERE IS AN, UH, ONLINE REPOSITORY OF MUNICIPAL CODE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED YET, SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT WITH THE CLERK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REQUEST WE HAVE TO PUT IN, BUT IF YOU GOOGLE PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE OR, UM, TITLE 16, YOU'LL, YOU'LL USUALLY FIND THAT, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, SITE.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE THE OFFICIAL COPY.
UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT JUST HOSTING IT FOR NOW ON THE AIRPORT WEBSITE.
SEE, THERE'S SOMEWHERE WE CAN LINK IT TO PEOPLE.
UM, WE CAN ALWAYS SEND PEOPLE THE FP, UH, PDF AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BEST IDEA AS WE'LL JUST HOST IT ON THE AIRPORT SITE UNTIL IT BECOMES, UM, LIVE ON THE MUNICIPAL CODE SITE.
UM, JUST, YEAH, BIG THANKS TO ALL CURRENT COMMISSIONERS, ALL PAST COMMISSIONERS, ALL THE, ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT.
IT, IT SEEMS SIMPLE WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACH IT, BUT IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED AND THERE'S SO MANY NUANCES.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A HUGE LIFT, UM, A LONG TIME COMING.
AND, UH, WE JUST THANK FOR EVERYONE FOR THEIR TIME AND, AND DEDICATION TO THAT, GETTING THAT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, UH, IN, IN CONNECTED TO THAT.
UM, AS SOON AS THAT PASSED, UM, COUNSEL, WE DID SEND A COPY TO THE FAA TO SEE IF WE CAN CLOSE OUT THE PART 13.2 COMPLAINT IN REGARDS TO ULTRA LIGHTS.
UM, SINCE WE REMOVED THE PRIOR PERMISSION REQUIRED, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS WERE MODIFIED IN THAT DOCUMENT, UH, THE FA RESPONDED BACK AND, AND SAID THEY'RE CLOSING IT.
UM, AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON TO KEEP IT OPEN.
THE CITY HAS PROVIDED EVERYTHING THAT THE FAA HAS ASKED FOR.
UM, SO AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT IS IT IS CLOSING EITHER CLOSED OR IS CLOSING AT THIS TIME? I DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL LETTER, JUST AN EMAIL BACK FROM, UM, UM, THE, UH, WESTERN AND EASTERN DIVISION, UM, UH, COMPLIANCE OFFICES.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS? UH, I JUST HAD THE ONE QUESTION ON THE ULTRA LIGHTS.
SO I THINK, UH, IN TITLE 16, I THINK EVERYTHING WAS CORRECT THERE, BUT I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS, UH, PART OF THAT WAS THE ACCESS.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THE GUEST ACCESS POLICY AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THE ONE AREA THAT, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A STICKY ISSUE IS THE INSURANCE.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE GRAND ASSURANCES IS ECONOMIC NON-DISCRIMINATION.
AND REQUIRING A MILLION DOLLAR POLICY FOR CERTIFIED AIRCRAFT VERSUS ULTRA LIGHTS ON THE SURFACE MAY SEEM THAT IT'S BEING CONSISTENT.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S POSSIBLE TO EVEN GET A MILLION DOLLAR POLICY FOR SOME ULTRA LIGHTS.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I'VE LOOKED, I'VE DONE CURSORY LOOKS AND I KNOW THAT FOR PARA MOTORS IN PARTICULAR, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE IT'S BEEN POSSIBLE TO GET IT.
AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE THERE ARE NO CARRIERS THAT WILL WRITE THOSE POLICIES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO, UH, GAIN ACCESS TO THE AIRFIELD FROM THE OUTSIDE ISN'T ABLE TO GET INSURANCE TO A MILLION DOLLARS TO MEET, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY REQUIREMENT, IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVE ARRANGEMENT FOR THAT, FOR SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED REASONABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN? YEAH.
SO THE OFFICIAL POSITION, THE FA, IS THAT IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE.
AND THAT DOESN'T, THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT SOMEONE, THAT EVERYONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR VARIOUS REASONS, CANNOT, UM, GET THAT INSURANCE.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANYBODY THAT'S PART OF THE PPG OR OTHER PARAGLIDING POWER PARAGLIDING ASSOCIATION THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION LAST WE CHECKED AND LAST WE VERIFIED WITH THE FA AND THEY, THEY CONFIRMED THAT A $1 MILLION POLICY IS AVAILABLE.
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UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS NO INSURANCE AVAILABLE ANYMORE ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, THAT WAS THE FAS BIGGEST CONCERN AND THEN THEY WOULD REVISIT IT.THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE IT IS AND IT ISN'T.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHERE THAT STANDS CURRENTLY.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE, UH, CERTAIN ASSOCIATIONS AND, AND HAVE CERTAIN RATINGS HAVE DEMONSTRATED CERTAIN ABILITIES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN IN INSURANCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE.
BUT I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE NOTE THAT, UM, IF FOR SOME REASON IN THE FUTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBTAINING SAY A MILLION WASN'T AVAILABLE, BUT 500,000 WAS THAT WE MAY NEED TO REVISIT THAT POLICY IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS? UM, OH, AND THEN THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING.
'CAUSE THERE WAS THE EMAIL, UM, FROM MR. MILL THAT, UH, QUESTIONED ACCESS.
SO GOING BACK TO, UM, PAPA, SO DO WE HAVE, I, I KNOW THERE WAS A, A LONGSTANDING POLICY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO PAPA MEMBERS.
UM, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT, UH, CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS ACCESS WAS LIMITED TO MEETINGS, DATES AND TIMES, BUT NOBODY ELSE'S WAS.
SO IS THERE A CURRENT POLICY THAT'S UNIFORM? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF THAT IS GONNA BE THE CASE MOVING FORWARD, THAT THIS ISN'T GONNA APPLY TO ONE PERSON, THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYBODY.
SO IS THERE A CURRENT POLICY ON ISSUING CARDS TO PAPA MEMBERS? SURE.
IT'S, IT'S PARTIALLY GONNA DEPEND ON WHO PAPA APPROVES.
SO WE DON'T APPROVE OR DENY ANYBODY THAT IS GETTING THE CARD THROUGH A TENANT.
SO AS LONG AS THE TENANT IS VOUCHING FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL WITH OUR, OUR ACCESS FORM, UM, WE DON'T REALLY APPROVE OR DENY THOSE UNLESS THERE WAS SOME REASON TO, UM, GENERALLY ALL PAPA MEMBERS, UH, USE ACCESS TO ATTEND MEETINGS.
WHETHER IT'S INFORMAL MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S THE REGULAR MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S OTHER GET TOGETHERS, UM, IT IS NOT TO FLY.
NONE OF NONE OF THE MEMBERS THAT HAVE JUST ACCESS JUST FOR UNDER PAPA, THEY DON'T DO IT TO FLY AIRCRAFT.
THEY DO IT JUST TO GET ON THE AIRFIELD TO BE ABLE TO MEET PEOPLE FOR PAPA PURPOSES.
BUT THEY COULD, I MEAN, THEY HAVE UNRESTRICTED ACCESS ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEY, AND THEY, THE PROBLEM COMES UP WHEN SOMEONE IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE ATTENDING OR GETTING A CARD FOR MEETINGS AND THEN THEY'RE DOING OTHER THINGS WITH IT.
AND IT'S, I, I GUESS THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S POTENTIALLY SINGLED OUT AND NOBODY ELSE IS, THAT CREATES AN ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, DISCRIMINATION, WHAT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THINK THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE UNIFORM ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE, THE, THE POLICY IS IF YOU'RE GONNA LAUNCH AN AIRCRAFT, WE HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE FOR THAT.
AND WE, WE'VE EXERCISED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
SO WE HAVE BANNER AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT'S THE METRIC FOR RESTRICTING ONE PERSON'S POP ACCESS VERSUS ANOTHER? WELL, SO I'LL GIVE EXAMPLE.
THEY NOT ONLY DO THEY BOTH CARRY, UH, OR BOTH HAVE A AIRFIELD ACCESS LICENSE, THEY ALSO PAY THE $7 FEE WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE AIRPORT TO, TO LAUNCH AND RECOVER BANNERS, THEIR AIRCRAFT, ET CETERA.
IF THEY THEN START, IF THEY CAME IN AS A PAPA MEMBER AND PAPA APPROVED THEM, AND THEY START DOING BANNER TO OPERATIONS, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
THEY NEED TO BE UNDER THAT AIRFIELD ACCESS LICENSE THAT IS DESIGNED AS IT STATES FOR LAUNCHING AIRCRAFT.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE LAUNCHING AIRCRAFT, YOU'RE DOING URINAL ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE LICENSE IS FOR.
I JUST ALL, I'M, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A POLICY THAT'S CONSISTENT FOR EVERYBODY SO THAT THERE IS NO CLAIM THAT ONE PERSON'S ACCESS IS RESTRICTED WITH NO WRITTEN POLICY IN PLACE.
OUR INTENT WOULD BE THAT PAPA WOULD VERIFY THEIR MEMBERS AND WHO HAS ACCESS AND WHAT THOSE MEMBERS ARE DOING, AND AT WHICH TIME THOSE MEMBERS ARE NOT USING THAT ACCESS FOR POP ACTIVITIES, THEN, THEN NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED.
I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT, THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S THE AIRPORT IS NOT DEEMING WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T GETTING ACCESS VIA PAPA.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S ALL THAT I'M GETTING AT, IS THAT WHATEVER IT IS, IT NEEDS TO BE UNIFORM ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST DON'T WANNA END, END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN UNEVEN ACCESS POLICY WHERE IT'S, THAT'S ARBITRARY.
THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING THAT STATES WHAT THE POLICY IS FOR ONE PERSON VERSUS ANOTHER PERSON.
DO YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR PAPA TO HAVE THAT POLICY AS PART OF THE BYLAWS THEN? I, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY TO, UM, HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF ACCESS IS GONNA BE RESTRICTED FOR SOME, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT STATES
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WHY.OR IF THE INTENT IS TO ONLY ALLOW ACCESS TO THE MEETINGS OR SPECIAL EVENTS, THEN I THINK THAT SHOULD THEN APPLY TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS A CARD ISSUED THROUGH PAPAPA IS, WELL, IS, IS PAPA'S POLICY APPROVED BY THE AIRPORT? UH, PAPA HOLDS, OR DO THEY HAVE A LEASE WITH THE CITY? YEAH, I DON'T, SO FROM, I, I DON'T THINK THE SCOPE, I DON'T THINK WE, THIS PAPA'S POLICY FOR WHO THEY ISSUE THEIR TENANT ACCESS CARDS TO IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS BODY.
WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT ANY TENANT THAT COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, THIS PERSON SHOULD HAVE A, WE ARE REQUESTING A CARD FOR THIS PERSON AS A TENANT ON THE AIRFIELD, YOU HANDLE ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS THE SAME WAY.
AND SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, SO THE, IF THERE'S ANY RESTRICTION, IF ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED IN THE PAST FOR ANYONE, HAS THAT BEEN AT THE REQUEST OF PAPA OR WAS THAT DONE, UH, AT THE CITY LEVEL? ANY RESTRICTIONS FOR A PAPA MEMBER WAS REQUESTED BY PAPA.
YEAH, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S TWO SEPARATE TYPES OF ACCESS AS WELL, MAYBE MORE, BUT THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED.
ONE IS TO SIMPLY ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES, ACCESS TO THE FIELD, AND THEN THE OTHER IS A SEPARATE LICENSING PERMITTING PROCESS TO HAVE ACCESS TO BRING A AIRCRAFT IN.
WE EVEN HAVE A THIRD, IF YOU ARE A, A MECHANIC OR DOING SOME SORT OF, UH, BUSINESS OPERATION, WE HAVE A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE, WHY YOU WERE THERE, YOU WOULD GET THE APPROPRIATE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A Q AND A, HOW DO I GET ACCESS? WE HAVE A WHOLE PAGE NOW FOR ACCESS.
AND THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT OUT THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING APPLIED CONSISTENTLY JUST TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE COMPLAINTS.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS ARE BEING APPLIED ARE DONE, ARE BEING DONE EVENLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER ISSUES.
MOVING ON TO, UH, A OS UM, AIR AIRPORT NOTIFICATION, UM, THERE'S A QUESTION CAME UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
UM, THERE WAS A, A VERY BRIEF, UH, FUEL OUTAGE, UH, DUE TO A SYSTEM, UH, ISSUE.
AND THE QUESTION CAME UP, WELL, WHY DIDN'T IT GO ON THE A OS UM, THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS JUST, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAINED TO PUT ME VOICE MESSAGES ON THE A OS.
UM, ALL STAFF PROBABLY RECEIVED SOME FORM OF TRAINING, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY TWO.
WE, WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF STAFF THAT, UM, WORK, WORK SHORT, A COUPLE STAFF.
SO THE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE AVAILABLE, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT THAT NOTIFICATION.
I WAS AT HOME, I CAN'T DO IT REMOTELY.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A GAP THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS A NOTIFICATION ON A OS, THERE WAS A NOTUMM, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WENT OUT.
SO AS FAR AS TENANT NOTIFICATION, WE, WE COVERED THOSE AS WE ALWAYS DO.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHY DIDN'T WE GET THAT MESSAGE ON AW OS AND IN MOST CASES JUST BE, UH, IT'S JUST AN ACCESS, UM, OPPORTUNITY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TALK ABOUT STAFF PROCEDURES, UM, AW OS NOTIFICATIONS, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF A SAFETY ISSUE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST A COURTESY.
AND WE TRY AS OUR BEST TO GET THOSE COURTESY MESSAGES ON THERE.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS A, UM, UH, LACK OF FUEL SERVICE THAT IS, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A NOTUMM, UH, IT IS, IS A DIFFERENT THING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL TRY OUR BEST, WE'LL TRAIN MORE OF OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
UM, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS COME IN LATE, LATE IN THE DAY AND THERE'S JUST NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT ON THERE.
SO, BUT WE WILL, I GUARANTEE ALWAYS THERE WILL BE AN EMAIL, THERE WILL BE A NOTUMM BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
IF, IF OUR TENANTS MISSED THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I ELSE I CAN DO AS FAR AS A VISITING AIRCRAFT IF THEY DIDN'T CHECK THEIR NOTUMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TO TELL YOU.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE WILL TRY TO DO.
BUT OF THE THREE THINGS, IT IS THE LOWEST PRIORITY.
BUT YOU TALK ABOUT ONLY TWO PEOPLE WERE THERE, WHO NEITHER OF 'EM COULD MAKE THE CHANGE.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A COURTESY.
WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT AIRPORTS CLOSED? THE AIRPORTS CLOSED, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WOULD, WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT? OR WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN UN UNABLE AS WELL? SO THEY'RE TRAINED, THEY CALL, UH, FLIGHT SERVICE, THEN WE GET KNOW THEM UP.
THAT'S THE OFFICIAL, AS FAR AS, UM, NIGHTTIME OPS, THE, THE POWERS TURNED OFF TO ALL LIGHTS.
NOW, IF, IF WE CAN, IF I CAN, IF IT'S EMERGENCY, I'M GONNA COME IN FROM HOME, I'LL DO IT.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S EMERGENCY, IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IF IT'S ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO.
BUT IF IT'S NOT A IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY, THAT MAY NOT GET ON THERE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU HAVE LIKE MULTIPLE MESSAGES OR LIKE THAT, THAT COULD FLIP
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FLOP? LIKE AN EMERGENCY MESSAGE SAYING, UH, PRE-RECORDED PRE-RECORDED SO THAT ALL SOMEBODY HAS TO DO INSTEAD OF RECORDING A MESSAGE, JUST FLIP A SWITCH.MAN, I WISH, I WISH, UM, THE SYSTEM, I WON'T SAY WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM IT'S RUNNING FOR SECURITY REASONS, BUT IT IS NOT A NEW SYSTEM.
IT, UM, YOU CAN'T SAVE MESSAGES.
YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE TWO MESSAGES, UM, AND YOU CAN TOGGLE THEM ON AND OFF.
BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT.
UM, TYPICALLY OUR MESSAGES ARE, UM, PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT WORKING NEAR THE, THE RUNWAY.
UM, OTHER SORT OF MORE SAFETY ISSUES TEND TO BE THE MOST COMMON.
SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SLOTS TO PUT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE EVEN, UH, WE'VE EVEN EXPERIMENTED WITH LIKE AI PRERECORDED MESSAGES AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WE LIKE HOLDING IT UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST YOU, YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO SIT IN FRONT OF IT WITH A MICROPHONE RECORDED.
UM, SO THERE'S LIKE A PERFECT DISTANCE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT A $5 MIC THAT COMES ON THIS SYSTEM THAT COMES FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
SO IT, IT'S JUST REALLY LIMITED.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST AS WE C WE ARE, WE'RE BRINGING ON A LOT OF NEW STAFF.
UM, IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO DO.
AND IF IT'S THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LOST PRIORITY.
IF IT'S A NON-SAFETY RELATED ISSUE, UM, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CHECK YOUR NEWUMS. AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICE DIGITAL SERVICES THAT MAKE THAT A LOT EASIER.
AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO KNOW.
AND I DO, YOU KNOW, AND I, IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT SOMEONE WOULD LAND AND NOT BE ABLE TO FIND FUEL.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO REGRETTABLE THAT THEY DIDN'T CHECK NOTUMS BEFORE THEY, THEY TOOK OFF.
UM, SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FLAKINESS OF OUR OLD AWA SYSTEM.
CAN WE BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALTERNATIVES OF WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING NEW? I MEAN, THE TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE THERE, BUT IS AGAIN, WELL, THERE, THERE ARE FEWER, THERE ARE FEWER COMPANIES.
SO LAST WEEK, SO LAST WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE'S FOUR COMPANIES THAT MAKE THEM, BASICALLY IN THE WHOLE WORLD, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT'D BE ACCESSIBLE TO US, TWO OF THOSE COMPANIES HAVE MERGED.
SO I THINK THERE'S ONLY THREE COMPANIES THAT MAKE IT ANYMORE.
UM, THE MODEL WE HAVE, I THINK IS ESSENTIALLY THE MOST UP TO DATE MODEL.
BUT I THINK THERE SOON, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE AVAILABLE.
THE, THE TRICK IS THE FUNDING.
SO WE GOT, UH, WE RECEIVED A, UM, SMALL GRANT.
I, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE, 300,000 OR SO.
I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
THE COST OF INSTALLING A NEW SYSTEM THAT WAS PAID FOR THROUGH AN FA GRANT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, THE, THE ONGOING, UH, OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
WE DO THE, OUR CONTRACTOR, UM, THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, SO IF THERE'S A NEWER MODEL, ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD RACE TOWARDS IT.
UH, AT THIS TIME THEY ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THIS MODEL.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS AN, UH, A FULL SYSTEM UPGRADE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE MUCH BETTER OPTIONS FOR THE VOICE MESSAGE MESSAGES EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW THESE SYSTEMS THAT WELL, UH, THE HIGHER LEVEL OR NEWEST ONES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR THIS.
IT REALLY IS SOMEONE SITTING DOWN WITH A MICROPHONE AND THEY DO IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, THE TOWERS THAT HAVE ADIS, IT'S, IT'S A CONTROLLER SPEAKING INTO IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE FA A LIKES IT FOR SECURITY.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANNA KIND OF KEEP IT.
SO I THINK WE'RE KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S TWO THINGS.
YES, IT'S SYSTEM LIMITATIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO REGULATORY THAT KIND OF KEEPS THE TECHNOLOGY AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER THAT YOU PUT HERE.
AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SURE.
AND YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER OUT THERE, I'M SURE WOULD BE NICE TOO.
WELL,
I MEAN, THERE ARE NEWER SYSTEMS ON.
SO TODAY I FLEW TO SAN JOSE AND IT'S NOT A RECORDED MESSAGE, IT'S DIGITAL A LIKE A LOT OF MAJOR AIRPORTS, WHICH ALSO PUT, PUSHES IT OUT IN TEXT SO YOU CAN GET IT OVER, UM, ACARS AND OTHER DATA LINK METHODS, WHICH IS NICE.
UM, BUT I DO RECALL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE STANDARD AWAS VOICE THAT WE'VE HEARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW.
I WAS FLYING SOMEWHERE LAST WEEK AND I HEARD A NEW ONE I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE THAT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS AI.
'CAUSE IT ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE A PERSON.
AND THEN I REALIZED IT WASN'T.
UM, SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE ARE NEW ONES COMING ON THE MARKET.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
I'M SURE IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP.
BUT, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT, REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR OURS, THAT MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'D BE ABLE TO UPGRADE TO.
YEAH, AND I, I THINK ONE THING I'D, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T ASKED AROUND, BUT
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I HAVE NOT FOUND A BEST PRACTICES SHEET ON AWAS.I KNOW AIS, BUT, UM, PART OF AIS IS INFORMATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF TERMINAL AND OTHER INFORMATION.
UM, A OS IS DESIGNED FOR WEATHER AND MOST OF THE REMARKS TEND TO BE OUTAGES.
WE PUT OUTAGE, UH, REMARKS WHEN, WHEN IT'S OUT FOR AN HOUR DURING THE MONTHLY TESTING, WHATNOT.
SO I WOULD KIND OF BE LOOKING FOR WHAT IS THE BEST, BEST PRACTICE FOR THIS? WHAT IS SORT OF ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE LINE WHERE WE START TO CROSS WHERE GET INTO, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS TIS NOW NOT AWAIS.
WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF I'M GOING INTO AN AIRPORT, GENERALLY I'M MONITORING THE AWAS AS A SECOND RADIO.
SO I'M ALSO HAVING TO LISTEN TO AT TC OVER THE TOP OF THAT.
AND IF I'M HAVING TO LISTEN TO A TWO MINUTE MESSAGE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO ME WHILE I'M TRYING TO LISTEN TO, AT C MY PRIMARY GOAL IS GETTING THE ACTUAL WEATHER WINDS ALTIMETER, UH, WEATHER THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH.
SO I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, THAT IT, WHATEVER'S ON THERE, UM, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO OUTAGES OF, YOU KNOW, RUNWAY LIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, UNAVAILABILITY FUEL.
UM, BUT ANYTHING LONGER THAN THAT IS A LOT OF TIMES IS A DETRIMENT TO THE PURPOSE OF AAS TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, MOVING ON, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, SHEEP GRAZING KINDA THE, THE COST OF SHEEP VERSUS OTHER METHODS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE HARD NUMBERS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
I'LL TELL YOU SORT OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.
UM, SO WE TYPICALLY SPEND APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $10,000 ROUGHLY, SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT MORE, SOMETIMES LESS IN A, UH, FISCAL YEAR ON CONTRACTED WEED ABATEMENT WORK.
SO THAT CAN COME FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UM, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE USED A LITTLE, UH, WE STARTED USING, UH, SOME OF THE PERSONNEL FROM THE STREETS, UM, DIVISION, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN CONTRACTORS.
UM, AND SO IT'S KIND OF A WIN-WIN.
SO WE STARTED USING THEM FOR SOME THINGS.
THEY HAVE A, THEY ALSO HAVE A SKID STEER.
UM, THEY HAVE PERSONNEL THAT CAN WORK WITH HAND TRIOR TOOLS.
UM, THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THE RAMP PRIOR TO THE DISPLAY DAY.
IT LOOKED REALLY GOOD OUT THERE.
SO, UM, SO WE USE A, A VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
UM, ONE JUST DOES BIG TRACTOR MOWING.
SO THIS YEAR IS, UM, A LOT OF IT WAS SHEEP.
WE DIDN'T USE ANY, UM, LARGE TRACTOR MOWING CONTRACTING THIS YEAR.
UM, THE, UM, THE SHEEP WAS KIND OF THE BULK OF IT.
AND THEN WE, AREAS THAT THEY COULDN'T GET INTO OR AREAS THAT WEREN'T SAFE FOR THEM TO GET INTO, WE USED THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT OR, UM, CONTRACTOR AND OR CITY, OTHER CITY STAFF TO, TO CUT.
SO IN GENERAL, IT'S ABOUT 10,000.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL PRICE IS ON OUR PORTION OF THE SHEEP GRAZING, BUT WHAT WE BASICALLY SAID IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IN THIS CATEGORY ON, ON THIS, UH, WEED ABATEMENT.
SO WE ARE WILLING TO PUT THAT TOWARDS THIS.
IF THAT'S FINE, THEN YOU'LL PROVIDE THE REST THROUGH GRANT.
SO THERE WAS A GRANT THAT TOOK CARE OF A LOT OF THAT.
MY GUESS IS ABOUT HALF MY GUESS IS THE SHEEP GRAZING WAS PROBABLY ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD, UM, WOULD, WOULD COST US ROUGHLY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY.
UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UM, SO IN SOME AREAS THE SHEEP DO A LOT BETTER IN A DAY THAN SAY A SMALL CREW.
BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT, UM, MECHA MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS JUST MORE EFFICIENT.
SO IT'S KINDA AN EXPERIMENT WE LEARNED A LOT THIS YEAR.
THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT THE, THE SHEEP DID THAT WERE REALLY HARD TO GET TO AREAS WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN IN YEARS.
THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO REALLY MOW IT RIGHT UP TO THE FENCE LINE, WHICH WE ALMOST NEVER GET.
UM, SO IN AREAS THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF MUDDY AND HARD TO, TO GET IN THERE WITH EQUIPMENT.
SO THERE'S, WE KIND OF LEARN WHAT, WHAT THEY DO REALLY WELL AND THEN OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT OTHER EQUIPMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT YEAR OR SHOULD WE SAY THIS FISCAL YEAR IS.
UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE ANY COMMITMENTS BEYOND THE LAST SHEEP THAT CAME IN AND LEFT.
SO THERE'LL BE A DISCUSSION IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN OR NOT.
UH, SO YOU SAID IT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY, GIVE OR TAKE SOMEWHERE IN THERE ABOUT THAT FOR THE FALL.
DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THEY WERE THERE? I WANNA SAY ABOUT 20 DAYS.
SO 20,000, IT WAS ABOUT AROUND AROUND 20,000.
AND THEN YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF THAT WAS GRANT.
SO COST OF THE AIRPORT WAS 10,000.
THIS WAS, UM, LATE LAST CALENDAR YEAR.
SO COMING INTO DECEMBER, OUR COMMIT WAS YES, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE UP TO $10,000 FOR THIS.
AND THEN LAST YEAR OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR WAS 10,000.
YEAH, IT'S A LI IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT
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DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AND DEPENDING ON STAFFING.AND DOES THAT ALL HAPPEN GENERALLY IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME WHEN THAT'S SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? WE'RE NOT MOWING NECESSARILY IN JANUARY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S 10,000 IN OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE SPENDING 20,000 TOTAL.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO SPEND DOUBLE SURE TO HAVE SHEEP DONE WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN TWO DAYS WITH, YOU KNOW, ROADS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH USING OTHER STUDY DEPARTMENTS, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE VERSUS OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS WHEN POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AS EFFECTIVE AND ISN'T GONNA COST THE, THE AIRPORT, UH, MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR CONVENTIONAL METHODS.
FOR THIS, FOR THE LAST RUN, IT WON'T, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE, IT WAS, IT WAS AT THE TAIL END OF 25 FISCALLY, OR 25 WENT INTO 26 A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, NO, I, WE DIDN'T SPEND MORE, UM, IF, IF WE DID SOMETHING BIGGER, UM, OR LONGER THIS NEXT YEAR, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT THE, THE COMPONENT THAT'S I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON IS THE GRANT.
UM, SO THERE IS A LOT OF GRANT MONEY THAT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN EXPERIMENT.
UM, AND IT IS, UM, IF NOT HALF OVER HALF FUNDED BY, BY GRANT.
WELL IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE WHEN THOSE NUMBERS AS SOON AS I GET THOSE, APPRECIATE ABSOLUTELY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH SOME OF THESE EXPERIMENTS.
UM, DO DAN, DO YOU OR ALEX HAVE ANY IDEA IF THE SHEEP IS, UH, GOING TO BE AN ON GOING THING? WAS AN EXPERIMENT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OR JUST THE
I KNOW THE CITY DOES IN OTHER PARTS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE CREEKS AND IN OTHER AREAS.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO IT OR NOT.
UM, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ABOUT SAFETY WISE.
YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE SHEEP, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT, UM, IF ONE, IF THEY WERE TO GET OUT ON THE RAMP TAXIWAY RUNWAY SOMEWHERE, THAT'D BE A BIG ACCIDENT.
THANKFULLY THERE, THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE INCIDENTS WHERE A SHEEP GOT OUT, BUT IT WASN'T OUT TOWARDS THE RUNAWAY.
IT WAS OUT TOWARDS, UM, I THINK IT WAS IN OUR EXTERIOR FENCE.
UM, AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THE SHEEP WENT VERY FAR AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THEM DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS.
THEY ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT MONITORED BY THE SHEPHERD OR SHEPHERDS.
UM, THE NIGHTTIME HOURS, THEY KIND OF HUN, YOU KNOW, HUNKER DOWN AND IT DOESN'T TEND TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM GETTING OUT DURING THE NIGHTTIME.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY BEING MONITORED, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE OF AN ELECTRIC FENCE, SO THEY DON'T TOUCH IT, THEY DON'T GO NEAR IT.
AND SO, UM, IF ONE GOT OUT, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BECOMES A SAFETY ISSUE.
BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY ISSUES ON THE AIRFIELD SIDE THEM GETTING OUT AT ALL.
WELL YOU SAID THEY'RE INSIDE AN ELECTRIC FENCE, BUT SOME DID GET OUT.
'CAUSE THE, UH, SO THEY'RE UP AGAINST OUR PERIMETER FENCE AND THEN THE, ON THE INSIDE YOU'VE GOT A ELECTRIC FENCE, SO THEY WOULDN'T GO TOWARDS THE, THE RUNWAY SIDE AT ALL.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE, WE FOUND A COUPLE, COUPLE AREAS UNDER WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET UNDER AND THEN WE PATCHED IT AND ALL THAT.
BUT SO THEY GOT, THEY GOT OUT BUT NOT TOWARDS, IT WAS BASICALLY AWAY FROM THE YEAH.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE A COUPLE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE NEAR THE RUNWAY.
UH, I MEAN, THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE.
I, I WAS ORIGINALLY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE FURTHER AWAY MM-HMM
UM, BUT I NOTICED THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES THE TRUCK WAS THERE, THE SHEPHERD'S TRUCK WAS THERE, THERE WAS A WATER TANK THERE, AND THEN THE FENCE LINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE TO THE RUNWAY, BUT THEY WERE, YEAH, RIGHT UP TO 125 FEET RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE, THE RUNWAY SAFETY AREA.
SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER THAN WE'D ORIGINALLY PLANNED A PLAN, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE GROWTH AND IT WORKED OUT OKAY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IT WOULD BE MORE RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE 'EM STICK TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN THAT AREA IS A WIDE, IT'S A WIDE OPEN AREA, SO IT SEEM TO BE PRETTY EASY TO USE CONVENTIONAL METHODS IN THAT AREA.
AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GO ALONG THE FENCE LINE IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT AS ACCESSIBLE TO CONVENTIONAL METHODS, THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, BETTER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE, UH, 300 HORSEPOWER LAMB CHOPS OUT THERE.
SO, YEAH, I, I, AND THEN I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE GETTING OUT IS THE ISSUE.
I THINK IT'S MORE JUST THE LED TO YOUR POINT, UM, AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY, UH, 15, 20 FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE SEEMS TO BE UP TO ABOUT 30 FEET SEEMS TO BE THE, THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR US, JUST BECAUSE OF THE METHODS WE CAN GET OUT THERE.
IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GO MOVE QUICKER, UM, MAYBE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MORE, A BETTER WAY TO GO.
BUT IT DOES TAKE THEM A WHILE WITH WIDE OPEN FIELDS.
WELL, AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A REASON TO HAVE THE MEDIANS BETWEEN THE TAXI WAY, THE RUNWAY AND THE RAMP NICE AND CLEAN.
UH, WHEN YOU GET FURTHER OUT NEAR THE, THE FENCE LINES BETWEEN US AND THE GOLF COURSE, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY? I MEAN, WITHOUT THE SHEEP, I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, USING CONVENTIONAL
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METHODS, IS IT EVEN REALLY NECESSARY TO GET ALONG THE FENCE LINE? I MEAN, THOSE AREAS AREN'T REALLY WELL TRAVELED.IS IT EVEN NECESSARY TO FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS TO BEGIN WITH? FIRE, FIRE CODE? YEAH.
SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SHEEP PROGRAM, MAYBE ALEX YOU CAN CORRECT ME HERE, BUT IT WAS CITYWIDE INITIATIVE BECAUSE IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE NOT USING CARBORATED TWO CYLINDER ENGINES TO BOW, WE'RE USING SHEEP.
UM, AND IT WAS GRANT FUNDED, UH, AS PART OF THE CLIMATE INITIATIVE FOR THE CITY.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF THE SHEEP FOR THIS YEAR WAS THAT IT WAS A GOOD FAITH COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE AIRPORT WITH THE CITY TO SEE IS THIS FEASIBLE FOR THIS PART OF CITY PROPERTY.
SO ALL OF THESE LEARNINGS OF THEY'RE GOOD HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOOD HERE.
THEY GAVE SOMEBODY CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY IN THIS WAY, THEY GOT OUT OVER HERE.
LIKE THAT'S ALL THE LEARNINGS FROM THE SORT OF EXPLORATORY SESSION.
I AM, THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED BACK TO WHOEVER IN THE CITY WAS ORGANIZING THIS, WE'RE, WE STILL HAVEN'T DONE A, A POST SHEEP GRAZING.
UM, BUT WE WILL IT GONNA CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST, LIKE THAT WAS THE POINT.
WAS TO SEE IF THIS WAS A FEASIBLE LONG-TERM SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY.
AND THE BUDGET IS OBVIOUSLY A FACTOR THAT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, I COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT SAVING MONEY, IT WAS ABOUT PART OF THE CITY'S CLIMATE INITIATIVE.
AND IF THE, AND IF THE CITY WANTS TO EXPERIMENT WITH THINGS, THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THAT ON THEIR OWN DIME AND THAT, WELL, IT'S NOT THE AIRPORT.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE, IT'S ON THE FEDERAL STATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH THE GRANT, I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE THE GRANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO PROVIDED THE GRANT, BUT IT WAS NOT A, A CITY GRANT.
AND, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, IF IT'S GRANT MONEY, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
LIKE I SAID, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA THE AIRPORT FUNDS AND THAT, UM, THERE'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.
WITH THAT MOVING FORWARD, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR NEXT SEASON FOR THIS TO BECOME A DECISION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THIS PROGRAM IS GOING AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
IT MAY NOT EVEN BE AN OPTION NEXT YEAR.
IF THE GRANT MONEY DOESN'T COME THROUGH AGAIN, SURE.
IT MAY BE A MOOT POINT, BUT I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT READOUT SURE.
AND TO HAVE US HAVE ACCESS TO WHATEVER REPORT COMES OUT OF THAT PROCESS AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE DO HAVE THIS SKIDSTEER COMING ONLINE.
IT IS USING 100% RENEWABLE DIESEL NOT FROM FOSSIL FUELS.
SO THERE IS A GREENING, WE ARE MOVING IN A GREENING DIRECTION WITH, WITH EQUIPMENT WE'RE USING.
SO EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO SHEEP, WE'LL BE DOING THE CLEANEST THING WE CAN POSSIBLE.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING THE LEARNING.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS, A LOT OF GOOD ANSWERS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S GETTING TO THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THAT INFORMATION.
BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE ALL INTERESTED, WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT GET TO DECIDE FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE SHEEP.
SO IT WILL BE A THOROUGH CONVERSATION.
UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT IF ANYONE THAT'S USING THE AIRPORT HAS, YOU KNOW, HAD A SAFETY CONCERN OR WAS PUT OUT BY THE SHEEP OR HAD AN ISSUE OPERATIONALLY WITH THE SHEEP THAT THEY LET DAN KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, WAS ALL THAT COULD FEED THROUGH ALL POSITIVE.
UM, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY NEGATIVE.
I THINK THERE'S JUST THE DOG ISSUE.
UM, THERE, THERE WAS A SEPARATE HAD DO A SECOND, UM, ELECTRIC FENCE, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE.
AND A COUPLE AREAS WISE MEN TO KEEP OUT THE DOGS.
THAT ONE DO
UM, I'VE NEVER HAD TWO, I'VE NEVER HAD THREE, I'VE NEVER HAD FOUR.
SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD JUST, UH, IF WE HAD A, UH, AVIATION, A COMMERCIAL AVIATION BUSINESS, AND WE HAD A SPACE FOR THEM THAT WAS ZONE COMMERCIAL, UH, WE PUT THEM INTO, UM, A CONTRACT.
IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR STANDARD LICENSES.
UM, IT IS A FIVE YEAR EXTENDABLE FOR FIVE MORE.
SO IN THEORY IT'S A, IT'S A 10 YEAR TOTAL LEASE.
UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS A NEED OR AGREED UPON FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT LEASE TO HELP THE, THE BUSINESS AMORTIZE THE, UM, THE, THE COSTS OF, OF THE UPGRADES OR WHATEVER THEY WERE DOING FOR THAT, THAT STRUCTURE.
BUT TYPICALLY IT'S A FIVE FIVE AND, UM, THEIR RENT IS 50% MORE THAN THE STANDARD NON-COMMERCIAL RATE.
SO LET'S EXAMPLE, ROW 18 HANGERS ARE APPROXIMATELY $2,000 A MONTH.
THE COMMERCIAL RATE WOULD BE 3000 BUCKS.
UM, UH, WITH THAT, UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE UP TO FOUR
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INTERESTED PARTIES IN THAT HANGAR THAT ARE NOT AIRCRAFT STORAGE IS ACTUALLY BUSINESSES, AVIATION BUSINESSES, UM, WHAT I WOULD, UH, I GUESS, UH, RECOMMEND IS WE TO ACCEPT PRESENTATIONS BY THE, THE THREE OR FOUR INTERESTED PARTIES TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO, TO SHOW WHAT THEIR INTENT IS FOR THE HANGAR.UM, AND THEN, UH, AS EARLY AS MAYBE NEXT MEETING, TAKING SOME, UH, THERE MIGHT BE INTEREST IN MAYBE JUST EXTEND THOSE OUT OVER SEVERAL TILL THE END OF THE, THE, UH, THE CALENDAR YEAR, OPENING UP THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
IF THERE WAS STILL INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAD AN, A CHANCE TO, I GUESS, THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE CITY'S GOING TO DECIDE.
BUT I THINK MOST OF THAT, UM, DECISION IS GOING TO BE INFLUENCED BY, BY THE COMMISSION'S THOUGHTS, UM, OF THE OPERATORS THAT WOULD LIKE THAT HANGAR.
'CAUSE WE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW AVAILABLE.
IT, IT, IT FORMERLY HAD A PLOTS IN IT.
IT IS NOT HEATED, IT'S NOT AIR CONDITIONED.
AND SO THAT'S THE O THE OTHER THING I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT EACH COMPANY WANTS TO DO, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THEIR BUSINESS IN THAT HANGAR.
UM, OTHER THAN THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND THE POWER AND A VERY BASIC WATER SUPPLY THERE, THERE ARE NO SERVICES IN THERE.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ALL THE, UH, OSHA REQUIREMENTS FOR RUNNING LIKE AN OFFICE PER SE OR SOME OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF CLIMATE CONTROL.
UM, IT HASN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE ASIDE FROM THIS COMMISSION, RIGHT? SURE.
BUT I THINK WE DID HEAR INPUT FROM, UH, BEAVER AVIONICS FOR 18 ALPHA BACK THEN.
SO I THINK BRINGING THOSE TO THE COMMISSION, I THINK WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE THING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S, UH, MULTIPLE PARTIES INVOLVED.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF 18 BRAVO? SO 18 BRAVO IS FULL OF STUFF.
UM, UH, THE MAIN REASON FOR IT TO BE UNOCCUPIED IS IT HAS THE DOOR IN IT.
UM, UH, I CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO, I CAN JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THE, UH, UH, 18 C DOOR REPLACEMENT.
UM, SO WE, WE SOLICITED FOR, UM, BIDS IN, I WANNA SAY JULY, JULY, AUGUST, RIGHT AT THE, RIGHT, AT THE END OF JULY AND AUGUST.
UM, WE DID A PRE, UM, PRE-BID, UM, MEETING AT THE HANGAR.
WE HAD, UM, IT WAS A OPTIONAL, UH, PRE-BID.
SOMETIMES WE DO MANDATORY, WHOEVER SHOWS UP IS THE ONLY PARTIES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BID.
WE MADE IT OPTIONAL TO TRY TO GET AS FAR WIDE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE BIDDERS, WE HAD TWO, UM, COMPANIES SHOW UP AND, UM, THEY WERE SHOWING THE DOOR, THEY WERE SHOWING THE REPLACEMENT DOOR.
UM, SO WE'LL SEE ON, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS SEPTEMBER 18TH, WE ARE OPENING BIDS FOR, FOR THAT, UH, DOOR REPLACEMENT.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT COLLECTING ANY RENT ON 18 BRAVO.
WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY RENTING.
UH, IF I HAD ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT THAT DOOR, WE WOULD, WE'D RENT IT OUT.
UM, BUT PART OF THE REASON NOT ONLY TO STORE THIS GIANT DOOR, BUT WHEN WE ASSEMBLE PART, WHEN THE CONTRACTOR ASSEMBLES PARTS OF THE DOOR, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A LARGE SPACE.
THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT IN AT C DEPENDING ON, I DON'T KNOW, RESTRICTIONS AND WHATNOT.
SO IT IS NICE TO HAVE THAT SPACE FOR THIS.
SO, UM, SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE FIRE ENGINES THERE, RIGHT? TEMPORARILY, THEY'RE, THERE'S SOME FACILITY MOVES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
AND SINCE WE HAD EXTRA SPACE, WE DID OFFER THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN ROOM TEMPORARILY, BUT IT IS VERY LIMITED.
THEY'LL BE OUT IN ABOUT 30 DAYS OR SO.
AND WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY RENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, INTERDEPARTMENTAL CO COOPERATION AND, AND HELPS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED.
SO, UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING ANYTHING OF THEM, BUT THIS IS VERY TEMPORARY.
THIS IS JUST A VERY SHORT TERM.
ARE THOSE INNER OPERATIONAL HELPS BENEFITING THE AIRPORT IN ANY WAY, OR? YES.
THEY'RE, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? UM, SOME OF, SOME OF THEM ARE SOME OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS, BUT, UM, OUR FLAGPOLE, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME RUNS OFF AS WRONG.
THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY RESET OUR FLAGPOLE.
THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS THAT THEY, THEY ASSIST WITH.
THERE ARE, UM, INFORMATIONAL SUPPORT, THINGS THEY ASSIST WITH.
THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY COULD BILL US FOR THEIR TIME, LIKEWISE TO
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OUR ACCOUNTS, BUT WE, THERE'S JUST COURTESIES THAT WE PROVIDE.YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF A, A TOUGH THING.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, IN THOSE HANGERS, IT'S THE STORAGE IS $2,000 A MONTH, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE COMMERCIAL RATES AROUND 3,500, GIVE OR TAKE.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED ANY RENT ON IT.
UM, THAT'S ALREADY A BIG BLOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU GO BACK TO TWO LIMA AND, AND THE THINGS THERE GOING ON THREE YEARS NOW.
UM, I, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, I MEAN, WE APPROACHING NOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND LOST REVENUE APPARENTLY BETWEEN THESE, THESE TWO HANGERS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
AND WHATEVER THE REASONS FOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE IDENTIFY WHAT THESE REASONS ARE BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T CONTINUE WITH THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO THE AIRPORT ACCOUNT THAT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE STORING OTHER CITY ITEMS IN THERE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE CITY A CORP YARD AT THE FRONT OF THE AIRPORT, I JUST, ANYBODY WHO'S USING AIRPORT PROPERTY FOR A CORP YARD FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES, UH, AS AN IMPOUND LOT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, TECHNICALLY UNDER THE GRAND ASSURANCES, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT RENT FOR THESE THINGS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA GET, UH, LIKE SERVICES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE SERVICES THAT ARE IN EQUAL VALUE AND BENEFIT THE AIRPORT IN SOME WAY.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING AWAY, YOU KNOW, STORAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, 30.
AND ACTUALLY TO, TO GO BACK ON THAT, IT'S $2,000 A MONTH FOR AIRCRAFT STORAGE.
IT'S 3,500 A MONTH FOR COMMERCIAL AVIATION.
IF WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE STORAGE FOR NON-AVIATION USE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT MARKET RATE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE FAA GRAND ASSURANCES SAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO START ADDING UP THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOSING RENT ON THIS AND THEN NOW POTENTIALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COLLECT MARKET RATE RENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.
UM, I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT THE HANGAR'S NOT USABLE BY ANY OTHER, I CAN'T ALLOW A CONTRACTOR TO GO IN THERE WHEN I HAVE EQUIPMENT, CITY EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE CITY USE ONLY.
WE ALREADY HAVE IT BLOCKED WITH EQUIPMENT.
WE CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY TO ANYBODY ELSE.
WE CAN'T RENT IT TO ANYBODY ELSE WITH OUR STUFF IN THERE.
SO IT'S, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM COLLECTING RENT FROM AT EVEN $2,000 A MONTH.
THE AIRCRAFT STORAGE RATE MEAN SOMETHING.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE TRADES ARE GONNA BE OF LIKE KIND.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GIVING AWAY A HANGAR THAT COULD RENT FOR $4,000 A MONTH FOR NON AERONAUTICAL USE YEAH.
AND THEY COME OUT AND ADJUST OUR FLAGPOLE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THAT, THAT TO ME DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A, A FAIR EXCHANGE SERVICE.
THERE'S THIS, THERE'S VERY, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT THEY ASSIST WITH THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST COURTESIES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO US AT NO COST.
THEY'RE NOT BILLED TO US, THEY'RE NOT INTERDEPARTMENTAL FEED TO US.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO BE, AS, YOU KNOW, EQUAL ALONG THAT PROCESS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO USE THE AIRPORT INDEFINITELY, BUT THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR A LONG TIME OF, UNLESS WE HAVE A LACK OF DEMAND, WE, I CAN'T PUT YOU PERMANENTLY IN ANYTHING.
UM, AND SO ONLY WHEN I HAVE CAPACITY, SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEING USED THAT THERE'S NO OTHER USE FOR, IT'S JUST WASTED SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT'S, WE TRY TO OUR BEST, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT WASTE SPACE.
THERE'S ONE CAVEAT TO THE FA REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS IF IT'S NOT THERE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT IF THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES GRANTS, THEY ARE, THEY ARE A SEPARATE CATEGORY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T RE FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T NEED FA APPROVAL TO, TO BUILD ON AREAS, UM, THAT AREN'T GRANT ASSURANCE PROPERTY.
BUT 18 ROW 18 IS, UH, ROW 18 IS THOUGH, YES.
BUT, BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, ROW NINE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE AIRPORT IS NOT.
SO THAT LITTLE CARVE OUT SPOT THAT WE USE, IT'S BEEN USED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS OVER THE YEARS THAT IS NOT PART OF THE, UM, THE FEDERAL LAND, UM, PURCHASES.
BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM STILL COLLECTING RENT ON THAT IF WE WANTED TO.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M GOING, I LOOK AT THAT'S THE INTENT, THE LEAKAGE ON, YOU KNOW, THE HANGAR RENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
EVENTUALLY, IF, IF WE END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN COST FOR WHATEVER REASON, OR THERE'S A DECREASE IN REVENUES, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THAT COMES TO THE TENANTS, RIGHT? SURE.
I MEAN, WE RUN IN THE BLACK, WE'RE NOT SURE.
PULLING OUT OF THE, THIS, THE GENERAL FUND, WE ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING A SITUATION WHERE, OH, WE'RE IN THE BLACK.
WE CAN AFFORD TO LET THIS GO, LET THIS GO, LET THIS GO.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTS LOOKING AT THE TENANTS FOR ADDITIONAL RENT.
MEANWHILE, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YEARS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, COLLECT A LITTLE HERE, LITTLE THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
WELL, WHERE ARE WE WITH OUR RESERVE BALANCES? I KNOW I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME SOMEWHERE, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE RUN INTO THE SITUATION IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE WE SHOULDN'T, BECAUSE THEN
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WE HAVE EXCESS RESERVES AND THAT LOOKS BAD AT THE FAA AS WELL.SO IF WE'RE LIKE STOCKPILING CASH, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S ALSO, BUT AT, BUT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE ALSO PUT PROJECTS ON HOLD BECAUSE WE'VE DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE FUNDS COULD BE SPENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE, WE COULD ALSO BALANCE IT OUT BY, MAYBE WE WOULD APPROVE ANOTHER PROJECT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING SERVICES TO SOMEONE, THEN I THINK WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO BE MINDFUL OF, ESPECIALLY FOR A LONG TERM ARRANGEMENT.
I, I THINK WE MAY BE UNDERESTIMATING THE VALUE OF THE GOODWILL.
THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S A TEMPORARY NO COST OPPORTUNITIES IS ENGENDERING FOR US.
AS LONG AS IT, IT BALANCES OUT.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I WANNA, I WANNA SEE IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE GOODWILL, THEN THERE SHOULD BE GOODWILL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT'S AN EQUAL VALUE, GIVE OR TAKE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE TO THE PENNY, BUT WE SHOULD WELL, THE DEFINITION OF GOODWILL IS THAT IT'S NOT MONETARY WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S SMALLER PARTS THAT ARE BEING CLOSED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, I THINK WOULD BE PENALIZED AND POUND FOOLISH AND NICKEL AND DIME THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING $2,000.
BUT IF THE CITY HAS NO, I MEAN, I SEE A HUNDRED, I SAW A MINUTE AGO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 177,000.
I THINK IF YOU GO BACK INTERGOVERNMENTAL CHARGES, YOU KNOW, GOODWILL WOULD MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE AWAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY HAS NO PROBLEM CHARGING US FOR EVERY LITTLE THING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOODWILL'S GOODWILL, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, AND I, I, YES, UM, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.
UM, THE THING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT WE USED TO BE A BIG PROBLEM IS INDEFINITE PERMANENT STORAGE WITH NO COMP AND DIRECT COMPENSATION THAT THAT'S ENDED.
UM, OCCASIONALLY THE SEA WILL USE THE, THE BACK OF THE AIRPORT FOR IMPOUND.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM ANYMORE.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE CONEX BOXES THAT WE ARE BENEFITING FROM.
THERE'S, THERE IS AN ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT THAT WE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR EMERGENCY USE.
UM, WE TRY TO TIE EVERYTHING WITH BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE FRONT OF THE AIRPORT IS THERE WAS REALLY NO BENEFIT AND THE BENEFITS WERE JUST MURKY.
AND SO ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO IT CHANGED.
WE SAID, NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE STORING MATERIALS, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING AS A CONSTRUCTION SITE, WE HAVE TO BE GETTING MONEY FROM THAT.
WE WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW HARD IT WAS, UM, TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.
SO AS FAR AS LONG TERM, NO, THERE ARE NO LONG TERM THINGS.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE THAT HA ARE KINDA LEGACY ARE A GREAT BENEFIT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES OUT AND DOES MY MOTORCYCLE TRAINING.
WE GET POLICE PRESENCE FOR LIKE TWO HOURS.
WE GOT ALL THE, ALL THIS POLICE ACTIVITY PEOPLE ON THE FIELD.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S FOR, FOR ME, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT BENEFIT.
WE GET MORE, THE MORE POLICE PRESENCE ON THE FIELD, DAY AND NIGHT IS GREAT.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S, IT'S A BENEFIT TO US.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, YEAH.
IS THAT I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ARRANGEMENTS WE HAVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME IN THE PAST WHERE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY UNEQUALLY WEIGHTED TOWARDS ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT ENDS UP YOU GIVE AN INCH AND THEY TAKE A MILE IT SEEMS LIKE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE'S HOLDING THESE ARRANGEMENTS ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN I SEE THESE INTERGOVERNMENTAL CITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TRANSFERS GOING, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE SO LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING MORE THAN A FLAGPOLE ADJUSTMENT.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS BROUGHT UP, BEEN BROUGHT UP IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE, IS WHAT ARE THESE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE CHARGES? HOW ARE THEY JUSTIFIED AND WHAT PER, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
SO DEPARTMENT, IF THEY OFFER SERVICES, IT'S, IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
EACH DIVISION TAKES A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE SERVICES.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT'S ON OUR LIST.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL ACCURATE, BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ACCURATE 10 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE ACCURATE ANYMORE.
SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, MULTIPLE DIVISIONS WOULD LIKE TO, TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACCURATE.
AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP IN COUNCIL WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, UM, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD AND, AND EQUAL.
AND, AND I THINK TOO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, NOT A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE TO GO BACK ON A, AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE, WHETHER IT WAS GOOD OR NOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK LIKE EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING, EVERYBODY'S MADE GOOD POINTS, BUT GOING FORWARD, MAYBE WE LOOK AT DO WE DO SOME KIND OF A BARTERING SYSTEM? IS THIS A GOOD FAITH THING OR IS THIS JUST A STRAIGHT DEAL BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS? SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING GOING FORWARD AS HANGERS ARE FULL, THERE'LL BE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, NON-AVIATION STORAGE AT ANY TIME.
AND WITH THIS BEING TEMPORARY TOO, UM, I MEAN, HOW,
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HOW SOON ARE YOU LOOKING AT A DOOR REPLACEMENT ON THAT HANGAR? UH, BEST CASE, PROBABLY DECEMBER, IF WE CAN GET COUNCIL, WE GET THE COUNCIL AWARD OF THE LOW BIDDER IN.UM, I THINK WE'RE SET FOR OCTOBER, THEN WE COULD AS, AS, AS EARLY AS LATE OCTOBER, WE PROBABLY GET NOTICE TO PROCEED.
SO SOMEWHERE, BEST CASE LATE, MID, LATE DECEMBER.
I KNOW IT'S PUSHING IN THE HOLIDAYS, BUT, UM, IF WE'RE, I'M OPTIMISTIC IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLUGGING THE HOLE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT, RIGHT? IS TO FINISH THE PROJECTS AS, AS MANY OF THESE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD, I WOULD PERSONALLY MUCH RATHER SEE YOU BE SPENDING YOUR TIME ON MAKING THESE THINGS HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, RATHER THAN FIGURING OUT HOW MANY DOLLARS A DAY YOU'RE IN CHARGE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR A 30 DAY, LIKE YOU CAN PARK IN HERE KIND OF THING.
SO, WHICH, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, WHO DO WE THROW THESE PROJECTS TO? NOW? THE ONES THAT ARE, IF THEY'RE REPEATS, THEY'RE PRETTY EASY.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS.
WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO THOSE PRETTY EASILY.
THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T WORKED.
SAY FOR INSTANCE, THEY ARE OUR WEATHER EQUIPMENT.
SOMEBODY RAN INTO OUR WEATHER EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE REALLY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO THIS DAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.
WE CAN JUST THROW IT TO THE CIP GROUP IS VERY LIMITED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE HIGHEST BRADY PROJECTS FIRST AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND EVERY YEAR IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES ON WHAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR AND WHAT THEY DON'T.
SO UNLESS WE CAN FIND A THIRD PARTY THAT CAN EITHER, WE CAN EITHER DO IT THROUGH A DESIGN AND THEN GO OUT TO BID OR, OR GO DIRECT TO SOME OTHER, UM, MECHANISM.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE HANDLED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, UH, I WAS ABLE TO WRITE, UM, A COUPLE OF THESE, BUT MOST MANAGERS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS STUFF.
THIS IS A WAY OUTSIDE OF THIS SCOPE OF THIS JOB.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT'S ONE OF OUR, OUR TOP ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO SOLVE INTERNALLY.
AND HOW DO WE GET SOME THIRD PARTY TO BOLSTER OUR, UM, OUR PROJECT, SMALL PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOUGH ONE.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY PURCHASING, IF WE HAD SOME OF A PURCHASING DEPARTMENT THAT COULD DO SOME OF THIS WORK, THAT COULD BE PART OF IT.
UM, EVEN POSSIBLY THROUGH OTHER MECHANISMS THAT, UH, ALREADY HAVE PRE-BID AMOUNTS AND, AND PRE-BID CONTRACTORS.
SO JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY THAT FALL IN THIS CATEGORY.
THEY'RE JUST SMALL AND THEY'RE JUST, THEY JUST HARD, HARD TIME GETTING 'EM DONE.
SO, UM, WE, WE SHARE THE FRUSTRATION AND WE'RE WORKING ON OPTIONS, BUT, UM, WE'RE NEAR THE END.
SO
WE HAVEN'T FINISHED WHAT WE, THE ORIGINAL AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WERE ON EITHER.
THEN WE NEED TO CLOSE ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH IS CONSIDERING, UH, NON-PERMANENT USES OF, UH, AIRPORT PROPERTY.
UH, I REMEMBER MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO THAT THE CORP YARD WAS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.
AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IS IT GET BIGGER AND NOW THERE'S A HUGE PILE OF STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, SO JUST WHAT IS THE, IS THERE A PHASE OUT PLAN FOR THAT ACTIVITY OR, UM, THERE COULD BE.
SO IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT IT'S DOESN'T WORK AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF THOUSAND A MONTH AND JUST HAVE OPEN FIELD, THAT'S FINE.
SO WE ARE RECEIVING A COMPENSATION.
WE'RE RECEIVING 36 AND CHANGE FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
WE, UH, THE CONTRACT I BELIEVE EXPIRES, UM, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UH, SO WE CAN NOT EXTEND IT IF WE WANT.
AND, AND, UM, I, I'LL GO IN ANY DIRECTION ON THIS.
I'M TRYING TO
WE ARE RECEIVING CONVERSATIONS FOR, WE ARE SEEING CONVERSATION.
WE, WE WERE RECEIVING IT WAS MURKY AND IT WAS, UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS WORK BEING PROVIDED FOR SPACE.
AND IT JUST, THE NUMBERS JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T SET RIGHT.
AND SO WE GOT RID OF THAT WHOLE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, SO WHERE WE GOT DISTRACTED WITH 18 BRAVO
UM, WE, WE, WE NEED TO, UH, SORT OF COME TO CLOSURE ON WHAT OUR PROCESS IS FOR YES.
THIS, SO IF WE'RE, UM, IF WE ARE, UH, EXPECTING THAT 18 BRAVO EARLIEST AVAILABLE WOULD BE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR PRETTY MUCH EARLY 26.
THEN WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THOSE APPLICATIONS PRESENTATIONS.
WE NEED TO GET THOSE AGENDAS FOR NEXT
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MONTH.WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.
UM, AND WE NEED TO SET ASIDE A NICE, A NICE CHUNK, UM, AS PART OF OUR NEXT MEETING TO, TO HEAR THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
THAT'S COULD WE OFFER THEM, UH, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER AS POSSIBLE DATES? OR DO YOU WANT TO GET EVERYTHING ON ONE? I IF, IF I'M GONNA PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THAT SPACE, I'M GONNA WANNA KNOW SOONER RATHER THAN LATER THAT I'VE BEEN SELECTED OR NOT.
SO I THINK IF WE, UM, GIVE THEM A MODEST AMOUNT OF TIME AND HAVE THEM ALL IN OCTOBER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.
BOTH FROM A CONTINUITY OF THE COMMISSION, HEARING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS, 'CAUSE IF WE DO IT IN OCTOBER AND THEN NOVEMBER, AND THEN WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TILL DECEMBER.
LIKE THAT'S, AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT IF THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, ANY COMMERCIAL LEASE, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S ONLY ONE INTERESTED PARTY FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD STILL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, ANY OF THESE COME TO THE COMMISSION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF USE THAT WE WANT.
I GET THAT THAT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA GO TO THE CITY.
BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE COMMISSION REVIEW, UM, THE PROPOSAL, AND THEN, UM, PASS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CITY.
I BELIEVE, UH, ANY COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE USING AIRPORT SPACE, UM, AS A OPERATING OUTTA THE AIRPORT AS A BUSINESS AUTOMATICALLY WOULD TRIGGER, UH, A PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND I THINK IT WORKED OUT WELL FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE CASE.
UH, OCTOBER, UH, SECOND WOULD BE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
ANY ABSENCES, PLANNED ABSENCES THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR QUORUM OR I'LL BE HERE.
SO THE NEW HANGAR DOOR IS AN 18 BRAVO.
AND IT'S 18 CHARLIE THAT'S OUT OF SERVICE.
SO ARE WE NOT RENTING EITHER ONE? CHARLIE IS RENTED.
BUT GUESS ON A REDUCED BASIS, UH, NOT A REDUCED BASIS, BUT THE ORIGINAL LEASE, WHICH WAS A NON-COMMERCIAL LEASE, A COMPANY THAT'S NOT YET QUITE A COMPANY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING THINGS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SOLD ANYTHING YET.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE DOORS REPAIRED, WE GO INTO COMMERCIAL LEASE, SO ALL FOUR UNITS WILL HAVE COMMERCIAL LEASES.
SO AT THE MOMENT, THERE IS NO LONG-TERM COMMERCIAL LEASE ON 18 CHARLIE? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES FOR 18 BRAVO.
SO THIS POTENTIALLY INTERESTED, RIGHT.
SO HAVE I WAS, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL LEASE, THAT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
THAT IF THEIR PRICES ARE RISING IS IS MARKET RATE OR, UH, WELL, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WILLING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, AVIATION COMMERCIAL LEASES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS 18 CHARLIE IS CONCERNED, IS THAT, IS THAT CURRENTLY MONTH TO MONTH THE, THE CONVERSATION'S ALREADY BEEN HAD? THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY FOR IT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED AT, AT MARKET RATE FOR COMMERCIAL, THEN I THINK 18 CHARLIE SHOULD BE PAYING COMMERCIAL RATE AS WELL.
UH, IN THE PAST, IF THERE IS A COMPANY THAT HAS EQUIPMENT THAT'S AVIATION, THEY CAN OCCUPY UNDER NON-COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S, CUSTOMERS AREN'T COMING TO THE FACILITY, NOTHING'S BEING MADE FOR, FOR A MANUFACTURER.
IT'S JUST A COMPANY TRYING TO DO THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY ARE AVIATION.
SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF RAN FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I, THE MOMENT YOU START MEETING A CUSTOMER THERE AND YOU OPERATE OUT THERE AS A COMPANY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S FINE.
I GUESS, I GUESS THE ISSUE STARTS TO BECOME WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR OF THOSE HANGERS.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE DEMAND THAN YOU HAVE SUPPLY AND NOW YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PARTIES THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY THE COMMERCIAL RATE.
THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RENTING OUT, UH, HANGERS, YOU KNOW, TO QUASI BUS, YOU KNOW, AVIATION BUSINESSES.
NOT PAYING THE COMMERCIAL RATE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T WILLING TO PAY IT.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO, UM, TO THE INTERESTED PARTIES, ALL FOUR.
I I'VE ONLY HEARD OF FOUR, WE'LL SEE WHO'S STILL INTERESTED.
AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS WE CAN.
HOW MANY ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING.
UH, TEXT TAXIWAY ALPHA CLOSURE IS SOMETHING, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR ABOUT A YEAR, BUT IT SNUCK UP PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, PG E HAS BEEN WANTING TO GET INTO TAXIWAY ALPHA TO, UH, REPAIR A GAS LINE THAT RUNS OUTTA THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING 'EM OFF FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, NOT SURE WHAT OUR, HOW OUR PROJECT TIMING WOULD WORK WITH OUR, OUR TAX AWAY WORK.
UM, THE, THEY, THEY REALLY WANNA GET THIS DONE.
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MAY BE MORE THAN ONE, UH, ISSUE THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS.SO, UH, WE FELT THAT SINCE THE EARLIEST WE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE WORKING ON, UH, ALPHA AND BRAVA IS PROBABLY THE SPRING.
UNLESS FOR SOME REASON WE WORKED OUT SOMETHING WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THEY WORK QUICKLY.
WE, WE USUALLY TRY NOT TO BEAT THE WEATHER.
UH, IN MOST OF THESE CASES WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE RAMP PROJECT, BUT IT, IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO WORK INTO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER JUST BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF RAIN.
SO MOST LIKELY OUR, OUR TAX WAY PROJECTS WILL BE DELAYED UNTIL LATE, PROBABLY LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.
UM, THE, THE INTENT IS TO GET THIS DONE AS, AS SOON AS WE CAN, UM, HAVE THEM BUILD BACK TAX WAY ALPHA AND THEN AS TO SPEC AND THEN, UM, THEN BE READY FOR OUR PROJECT.
THAT WAY WE WON'T BE GOING THROUGH A NEW PAVEMENT THAT WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS.
UM, WE WERE KIND OF HOPING THAT WE'D FIND OTHER WAYS, BUT THEY DID NOT.
SO THE, THE MOST, UM, RECENT ESTIMATE DATE IS THE 15TH.
UM, THE 15TH ARE STARTING TO MOBILIZE AND, UM, CLOSE, CLOSE DOWN THAT SECTION OF ALPHA BETWEEN ALPHA THREE AND ALPHA FOUR.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WORK, PRE-WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO ALONG A BRAVO ON THE ENDS OF THE HANGERS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO PARK THERE.
UM, SO PUTTING UP SOME DELINEATION, SOME SIGNAGE, NO PARKING.
IT'S ALSO GONNA COMPLICATE OUR HANGAR REPAIR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE END OF TWO, UH, TWO LIMA IS RIGHT THERE AT TWAY BRAVO.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT SAFE AND, UM, PROTECT THAT, THAT CORRIDOR THERE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF OUR TENANTS WILL BE MOSTLY, WILL BE VERY, UM, THERE WILL NOT BE A BIG IMPACT TO, TO THE THEM HOPEFULLY DURING THIS PERIOD, THE, THE LARGER AIRCRAFT PILATUS, UM, CJS, UH, THEY WILL BE IMPACTED, UH, DUE THE, THE WINGSPAN.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BACK TEXT YOU ON THE RUNWAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR SAFETY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS DONE IN THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS MAX, BUT IT COULD GO A LITTLE LONGER.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA GIVE PG E EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND SEE IF, HOW FAST WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I MISSED WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START? THE 15TH IS, IS THE, THE, UH, PLANNED CLOSURE OF THIS MONTH.
AND THEN DID I MISS THE HANGAR? UH, TWO LIMA REPAIR UPDATE? UH, UH OKAY.
UM, IF NONE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUMP INTO THE PROJECTS.
UM, SO TO LIMA, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING.
UM, WE ARE GETTING OUR PERMIT AS OF EITHER TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
UM, SO ACTUALLY I THINK WE JUST GOT, I THINK IT JUST CAME IN THE EMAIL.
SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE OUR PERMIT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA NOTICE TO PRECEDE PROBABLY TOMORROW TO THE CONTRACTOR.
THEY WANNA START, UM, DEMO WORK ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, JUST PULLING, UH, PIECES OFF, PREPPING FOR THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION, UM, THE, THE REAPPLYING, UM, UH, NEW, UH, SUPPORTS AND EXTERIOR SKIN TO, TO THE HANGAR.
SO IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, SHOULD START WORK ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COULD HAPPEN.
UM, AND I THINK I ALREADY GAVE THE, THE 18 C UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE THE TIMING, EXACT TIMING OF THE START, BUT IT IS, IT IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE LOW BIDDER IS, UH, ON THE 18TH.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON TU LIMA OR, YOU KNOW, THERE? OKAY.
AND THEN JUST, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT POWER BACKUP THAT CAME UP.
UM, SOME COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
WE'D GONE THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A LAPSE IN POWER THAT, AND UM, IT SHUT DOWN SOME OF OUR SYSTEMS. ONE OF THEM WHEN THE FUEL, THE FUEL MONITORING SYSTEM WHEN IT CAME BACK UP WAS VERY ANGRY AND WE HAD TO BASICALLY REBUILD THE BOARD INSIDE OF IT.
UM, OUR INTENT IS TO REPLACE THAT, THAT SYSTEM.
UM, AND OUR BUDGET REQUESTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, WE WILL PUT THAT IN THERE.
IT'S NOT A HUGE EXPENSE, BUT IT'S ENOUGH THAT I NEED TO PUT IT ON.
I DON'T HAVE OPERATIONAL BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS.
UM, IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE REPAIR THAT'S NEEDED.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THIS IS A LEGACY FUEL MONITOR.
IT, IT IS THE GOLD STANDARD OR WAS THE GOLD STANDARD.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF RUN, ITS COURSE PARTS ARE HARD TO GET.
SO OUR INTENT IS TO REPLACE IT, UM, UH, THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, BUT ALONG WITH THAT CAME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS POWER SUPPLY? AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT, UM, I'LL LOOK AGAIN, DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT IT TENDS TO BE AN INTEROP OPPER, UH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
UH, UNI UNINTERRUPTED POWER SUPPLY THAT WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO RUN OUR FUEL MONITORING SYSTEM AND SOME OTHER KIND OF CRITICAL THINGS.
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KIND OF TESLA HAUL SIZE BATTERIES.IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO IF, IF, UM, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED TO BE A, UM, A HIGH PRIORITY.
BUT, UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE, WE COULD SAFELY LOSE POWER TEMPORARILY AND HAVE STAFF RESTORE IT WITH, UM, WITH BATTERY SLASH GENERATOR AND, UM, TRANSFER SWITCHES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A TRANSFER SWITCH TO THE TERMINAL.
WHAT ABOUT A MORE PERMANENT, YOU KNOW? YES.
'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE HAVING SOMETHING LIKE A GENERATOR THAT THEY WILL KICK ON.
SO MAYBE YOU HAVE A SMALL BATTERY BACKUP TO SUPPORT THE LOAD FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
AND THEN HAVING THE GENERATOR KICK KICKING ON, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
THOSE, THE BATTERIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE.
SO WE HAVE A, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CI PP PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IT IS IN THE LIST.
UM, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, BASED ON THE FUNDING OF THAT AND THE KIND OF SCOPE OF IT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SOLUTION.
UM, WE DO HAVE YET WE DO HAVE A, UM, SORT OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF, WE'RE PART OF.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE KIND OF COMING UP WITH SOME OPTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S MORE KIND OF A RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO AT THE MOMENT THAT WE GET CIP SUPPORT AND, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT AS WE WERE DOING IT THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
WE WOULD DO IT IN GENERATOR AND GO, I MEAN THE, THE, THE HIGH, THE WHOLE IDEA OF DOING A BATTERY, UH, A BACKUP OR HAVING SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY POWER GOES BACK FROM, I THINK WHEN I STARTED ON THE COMMISSION MM-HMM
I KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS.
AND WE GO IN THE SAME, SAME CIRCLES.
I MEAN, I SEE THERE'S A GENERATOR SITTING THERE THAT, BUT THAT MEANS THAT IT'S SITTING THERE.
DO WE OWN IT? IS IT RENTED? YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THEN AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A REALLY HUGE PUSHBACK FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THEY SAID THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO WAS TO HAVE AN ELECTRICAL.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN LET US CONSIDER BIODIESEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN SO WE GO DOWN THAT LEFT TURN AND, AND YES, WE CAN DO IT WHEN WE GOT AN EXTRA HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING, ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE FORWARD? ARE WE JUST GONNA GIVE IN THE SAME CIRCLES AND GIVE IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MOVEMENT AROUND.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THROWN OUTTA THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BIODIESEL AND WE'RE PUTTING A GENERATOR IN THERE TO KICK ON, THE AMOUNT OF THAT THAT IT'S GONNA GET USED IS VERY MINIMAL.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, TO ME IT WAS REALLY PENNY, PENNY, NOT EVEN PENNY.
WHATEVER THE EXPRESSION IS, WAS FOOLISH.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT, PUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF BATTERIES, WHICH OH, BY THE WAY, ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE RECYCLED AND MANUFACTURED AT SOME POINT.
AND THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO THAT, WHICH NEVER SEEMS TO GET DISCUSSED, WHICH OH YEAH.
THE THING THAT I
UH, REAL QUICK, SO THE, THE MONITOR BOARD, ARE YOU TALKING ME THE VITA ROOT IS SD IS THAT THE ISSUE WHERE THE, THE BOARD WAS? YES.
SO I'VE WORKED ON THOSE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HAD A BOARD FAILURE.
SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY JUST A ONE-OFF COULD BE SITUATION.
I'VE ALWAYS FOUND IT TO BE INCREDIBLY RELIABLE.
UM, THE T LS THREE 50 WAS, WAS THE KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD.
BUT, UM, THESE, THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS ARE TELLING ME THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE GETTING LIKE SECONDHAND PARTS NOW MM-HMM
SO WE'RE KIND OF END OF END OF LIFE.
I, I WOULD VENTURE SAY IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND A BOARD FOR THAT, THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ANOTHER 20 YEARS BEFORE THERE'S AN ISSUE AGAIN.
AT LEAST IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
SO, BUT IF I DON'T REPLACE IT, THEN WE'LL, OH NO, I MAYBE BE ON ME THAT SAYING THAT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU REPLACE IT WHEN YOU COULD? YEAH,
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A FOUR, I THINK FOUR 50 IS OUR, WE DON'T NEED A FOUR 50.
IT'S HAS MORE CAPACITY THAN WE WOULD EVER NEED, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS EXPANSION AT SOME POINT, THE FOUR 50 PLUS, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
AND PLUS IT PRINTS PAPER, WHICH IS KIND OF COOL.
SO, SO ANYWAY, UM, THE, THE REAL LIMITING FACTOR HERE I THINK IS JUST CAN, CAN WE GET THE CFP GROUP TO, TO THROW US SOME RESOURCES ON THIS PARTICULAR, SO IT'S A LOWER PRIORITY PROJECT, BUT, UM, ONCE WE GET THOSE RESOURCES, I THINK I'D BE PUSHING FOR THE GENERATOR JUST BECAUSE WE, THE ONLY WAY TO GET A SOLAR ARRAY THAT EVEN APPROACHES OUR NEEDS MEANS A CARPORT MEANS MORE COST, JUST THE COSTS GO WAY UP.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY PRACTICAL.
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FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY PUSH IS LET'S GET IN DESIGN.
WE'LL DESIGN A, UM, A GENERATOR THAT RUNS ON, UM, RENEWABLE DIESEL.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, A FEW MINUTES HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH FOR TESTING.
AND I THINK IT'S THE SIMPLEST AND MOST RELIABLE FOR, FOR OUR USE.
IF WE HAD A GIANT FIELD THAT WASN'T SPOKEN FOR, THAT, THAT WOULD MEAN MAYBE ME A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A SOLAR RESILIENCY PROJECT.
WE CAN'T PUT ON THE TRAIL, THE TRAIL'S PART OF OPEN SPACE, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDER DIFFERENT ZONING.
SO JUST FOR SIMPLICITY AND PRACTICALITY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS.
SO THERE, THERE IS A PATHWAY FOR US TO GET A DIESEL GENERATOR AT THIS POINT.
IS IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN INFLUENCE THE CIP TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR PROJECT? UM, THERE, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A DRAFT, UM, AND I CAN EVEN SHARE IT.
THERE, THERE IS A DRAFT, UM, UH, THE KIND OF FEASIBILITY THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, THE GENERATOR WAS NOT LISTED AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT, UM, THE COMMENT PERIOD'S STILL OPEN.
I WILL SHARE MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
AND, UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A NEED, IF IT'S DIRECT NEED, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I, I CAN'T SEE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR THE SPACE.
THERE'S OTHER SPACES THAT SEE THAT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANY OF THIS.
SO UNLESS IT'S A GINORMOUS BATTERY, THE PROBLEM WITH A GINORMOUS BATTERY IS YOU ONLY HAVE A USEFUL LIFE.
AND THEN ONCE THE THE POWER STAYS OFF, YOU HAVE NO WAY TO GET BACK.
YOU, UM, EVEN A HYBRID SORT, THE HYBRID WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR ALL OPTIONS, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THIS.
WE WILL GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT TAXIWAY IS MORE IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE SO WE'LL, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE CIE GROUP FOR ALL THE, THE SPORT ON THAT AND THE DOOR AND THE HANGAR REPAIRS.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT GET DONE.
BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S BEEN DRAGGING OUT FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT IS ALL OF MY PREPARED COMMENTS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? UM, HAS ANYBODY EVER GIVEN YOU, UH, COST FOR A SOLAR ARRAY WITH BATTERY BACKUP? UM, BECAUSE I SEE ALL THE SCHOOLS DOING IT.
MOST PROJECTS, A LOT OF PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF UPFRONT COST.
IT IS, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE POWER.
UM, SO JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE CITY, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY, UM, ANYTHING OR MUCH FOR THE INSTALL.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE BASICALLY, UH, PAYING THE PROJECT OWNER AS A, UM, POWER GENERATOR.
SO THEY, YOU SAID POWER, THEY BECAME OUR POWER SUPPLIER.
UM, AND I WOULD, WE WERE ACTUALLY OPEN TO THAT.
WE TRIED TO DO THAT THROUGH, UH, FOREFRONT, UH, DO LIKE A RESILIENCY PLAN WHERE WE'D HAVE LIKE BATTERIES AND WE WORK SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE COULD DO A PARKING LOT THING, BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH UPFRONT INVESTMENT IN, UM, UH, IN THE TRANSFORMER.
UH, THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING IN A MUCH BIGGER TRANSFORMER, A NEW PANEL, UH, A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND THE COST WAS TOO PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO MAKE A PROFIT.
SO IT JUST DIDN'T WORK FOR THAT MODEL.
UM, NOT THAT IT CAN'T WORK, BUT IT'S, THE UPFRONT COST IS SO HIGH THAT, UM, IF WE'RE DOING OUT OF POCKET, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE FISCAL SENSE.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST OF OUR POWER IS BEING GENERATED OFFSITE ON, UM, ON THROUGH SOLAR.
UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE REALLY SENSE FOR TO DO THAT SMALL PORTION.
THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A WHILE AGO WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST AN EMERGENCY AT THE AIRPORT, BUT IF, WHAT IF THERE WAS A COUNTYWIDE MM-HMM
OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, OR EVEN WORSE, WHICH COULD HAPPEN EARTHQUAKE.
AND DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, EVEN IF WE HAVE ELECTRICITY MM-HMM
WE STILL CAN'T GET THE FUEL OUTTA THE GROUND 'CAUSE IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT SALES THING.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SOURCES OF, UH, OUR OWN SOURCES OF DIESEL.
UM, COULD THEY WORK IN A NO POWER SITUATION? IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.
WELL THAT PART OF THE THING IS WE CAN, AS, AS LONG AS WE HAVE ONE OF OUR TWO GENERATORS IS WORKING, WE CAN PUMP OUT GAS WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE GRID COMMUNICATE.
WE CAN STILL, WE CAN STILL BYPASS THE, WELL THAT, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT BROUGHT UP, UM,
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YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH GIVING, GIVING THE FUEL DISPENSER, UH, THE APPROVAL, THE PUMP, THAT, THAT IS AN ISSUE AND USUALLY HAS TO COME THROUGH QT POD.SO UNTIL WE CAN ASSIST THEM, IT, UM, YOU CAN'T SAVE MESSAGES.
YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE TWO MESSAGES, UM, AND YOU CAN TOGGLE THEM ON AND OFF.
BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT.
UM, TYPICALLY OUR MESSAGES ARE, UM, PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT WORKING NEAR THE, THE RUNWAY.
UM, OTHER SORT OF MORE SAFETY ISSUES TEND TO BE THE MOST COMMON.
SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SLOTS TO PUT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE EVEN, UH, WE'VE EVEN EXPERIMENTED WITH LIKE AI PRERECORDED MESSAGES AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WE LIKE HOLDING UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST YOU, YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO SIT IN FRONT OF WHAT A MICROPHONE RECORDED AND IT'S VERY SENSITIVE.
UM, SO THERE'S LIKE A PERFECT DISTANCE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT A, A $5 MIC THAT COMES ON THIS SYSTEM THAT COMES FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
SO IT, IT'S JUST REALLY LIMITED.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST AS WE C WE ARE, WE'RE BRINGING ON A LOT OF NEW STAFF.
UM, IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO DO.
AND IF IT'S THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LOST PRIORITY.
IF IT'S A NON-SAFETY RELATED ISSUE, UM, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CHECK YOUR NEWUMS. AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICE DIGITAL SERVICES THAT MAKE THAT A LOT EASIER.
AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO KNOW.
AND I DO, YOU KNOW, AND I, IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT SOMEONE WOULD LAND AND NOT BE ABLE TO FIND FUEL.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO RE REGRETTABLE THAT THEY DIDN'T CHECK NOTUMS BEFORE THEY, THEY TOOK OFF.
UM, SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FLAKINESS OF OUR OLD AWA SYSTEM.
CAN WE BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALTERNATIVES OF WHAT? IS THERE ANYTHING NEW? I MEAN, THE TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE THERE, BUT IS IT AGAIN, WELL, THERE
SO LAST WE, SO LAST WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE'S FOUR COMPANIES THAT MAKE THEM, BASICALLY IN THE WHOLE WORLD, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT'D BE ACCESSIBLE TO US, TWO OF THOSE COMPANIES HAVE MERGED.
SO I THINK THERE'S ONLY THREE COMPANIES THAT MAKE IT ANY MORE.
UM, THE MODEL WE HAVE, I THINK IS ESSENTIALLY THE MOST UPTODATE MODEL.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE SOON, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE AVAILABLE.
THE, THE TRICK IS THE FUNDING.
SO WE GOT, UH, WE RECEIVED A, UM, SMALL GRANT.
I, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE, 300,000 OR SO.
I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
THE COST OF INSTALLING A NEW SYSTEM THAT WAS PAID FOR THROUGH A FA GRANT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, THE, THE ONGOING, UH, OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
WE DO THE CONTRACTOR, UM, THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, SO IF THERE'S A NEWER MODEL, ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD RACE TOWARDS IT.
UH, AT THIS TIME THEY ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THIS MODEL.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS AN, UH, A FULL SYSTEM UPGRADE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE MUCH BETTER OPTIONS FOR THE VOICE ME MESSAGES EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW THESE SYSTEMS THAT WELL, UH, THE HIGHER LEVEL OR NEWEST ONES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR THIS.
IT REALLY IS SOMEONE SITTING DOWN WITH A MICROPHONE AND THEY DO IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, THE TOWERS THAT HAVE ADIS, IT'S, IT'S A CONTROLLER SPEAKING INTO IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE FAA LIKES IT FOR SECURITY.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANNA KIND OF KEEP IT.
SO I THINK WE'RE KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S TWO THINGS.
YES, IT'S SYSTEM LIMITATIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO REGULATORY THAT KIND OF KEEPS THE TECHNOLOGY AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER THAT YOU PROBABLY HERE.
JUST KEEP YOUR EARS OPEN, I MEAN YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SURE.
AND YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER OUT THERE? I SURE WOULD BE NICE TO, YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE ARE NEWER SYSTEMS ON.
SO TODAY I FLEW TO SAN JOSE AND IT'S NOT A RECORDED MESSAGE, IT'S DIGITAL AUS, LIKE A LOT OF MAJOR AIRPORTS, WHICH ALSO PUT, PUSHES IT OUT IN TEXT SO YOU CAN GET IT OVER, UM, ACARS AND OTHER DATA LINK METHODS, WHICH IS NICE.
UM, BUT I DO RECALL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE STANDARD AWAIS VOICE THAT WE'VE HEARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW.
I WAS FLYING SOMEWHERE LAST WEEK AND I HEARD A NEW ONE I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE THAT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS AI.
'CAUSE IT ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE A PERSON.
AND THEN I REALIZED IT WASN'T.
UM, SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE ARE NEW ONES COMING ON THE MARKET.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
I'M SURE IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP.
BUT, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT, REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR OURS THAT MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'D BE ABLE TO UPGRADE TO.
YEAH, AND I, I THINK ONE THING I'D, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T ASKED AROUND, BUT
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I HAVE NOT FOUND A BEST PRACTICES SHEET ON AWAS.I KNOW ADIS, BUT, UM, PART OF ADIS IS INFORMATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF TERMINAL AND OTHER INFORMATION.
UM, A OS IS DESIGNED FOR WEATHER AND MOST OF THE REMARKS TEND TO BE OUTAGES.
WE PUT OUTAGE, UH, REMARKS WHEN, WHEN IT'S OUT FOR AN HOUR DURING THE MONTHLY TESTING, WHATNOT.
SO I WOULD KIND OF BE LOOKING FOR WHAT IS THE BEST, BEST PRACTICE FOR THIS? WHAT IS SORT OF ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE LINE WHERE WE START TO CROSS WHERE GET INTO, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS ATI NOW, NOT AWAS.
WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF I'M GOING INTO AN AIRPORT, GENERALLY I'M MONITORING THE AWAS IS A SECOND RADIO.
SO I'M ALSO HAVING TO LISTEN TO ATTC OVER THE TOP OF THAT.
AND IF I'M HAVING TO LISTEN TO A TWO MINUTE MESSAGE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO ME WHILE I'M TRYING TO LISTEN TO A TC, MY PRIMARY GOAL IS GETTING THE ACTUAL WEATHER WINDS ALTIMETER.
UH, WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH.
SO I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, THAT IT, WHATEVER'S ON THERE, UM, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO OUTAGES OF, YOU KNOW, RUNWAY LIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, UNAVAILABILITY FUEL.
UM, BUT ANYTHING LONGER THAN THAT IS A LOT OF TIMES IS A DETRIMENT TO THE PURPOSE OF AAS TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, MOVING ON, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, SHEEP GRAZING, KINDA THE, THE COST OF SHEEP VERSUS OTHER METHODS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE HARD NUMBERS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
I'LL TELL YOU SORT OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.
UM, SO WE TYPICALLY SPEND APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $10,000 ROUGHLY, SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT MORE, SOMETIMES LESS IN A, UH, FISCAL YEAR ON CONTRACTED WEED ABATEMENT WORK.
SO THAT CAN COME FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UM, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE USED A LITTLE, UH, WE STARTED USING, UH, SOME OF THE PERSONNEL FROM THE STREETS, UM, DIVISION, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN CONTRACTORS.
UM, AND SO IT'S KIND OF A WIN-WIN.
SO WE STARTED USING THEM FOR SOME THINGS.
THEY HAVE A, THEY ALSO HAVE A SKID STEER.
UM, THEY HAVE PERSONNEL THAT CAN WORK WITH HAND TRIOR TOOLS.
UM, THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THE RAMP PRIOR TO THE DISPLAY DAY.
SO, UM, SO WE USE A, A VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
UM, ONE JUST DOES BIG TRACTOR MOWING.
SO THIS YEAR IS, UM, A LOT OF IT WAS SHEEP.
WE DIDN'T USE ANY, UM, LARGE TRACTOR MOWING CONTRACTING THIS YEAR.
UM, THE, UM, THE SHEEP WAS KIND OF THE BULK OF IT.
AND THEN WE, AREAS THAT THEY COULDN'T GET INTO OR AREAS THAT WEREN'T SAFE FOR THEM TO GET INTO, WE USED THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT OR, UM, CONTRACTOR AND OR CITY, OTHER CITY STAFF TO, TO CUT.
SO IN GENERAL, IT'S ABOUT 10,000.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL PRICE IS ON OUR PORTION OF THE SHEEP GRAZING, BUT WHAT WE BASICALLY SAID IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IN THIS CATEGORY ON, ON THIS, UH, WEED ABATEMENT.
SO WE ARE WILLING TO PUT THAT TOWARDS THIS.
IF THAT'S FINE, THEN YOU'LL PROVIDE THE REST THROUGH GRANT.
SO THERE WAS A GRANT THAT TOOK CARE OF A LOT OF THAT.
MY GUESS IS ABOUT HALF MY GUESS IS THE SHEEP GRAZING WAS PROBABLY ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD, UM, WOULD, WOULD'VE COST US ROUGHLY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY.
UM, SO IN SOME AREAS THE SHEEP DO A LOT BETTER IN A DAY THAN SAY A SMALL CREW.
BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT, UM, MECHANICAL, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS JUST MORE EFFICIENT.
SO IT'S KINDA AN EXPERIMENT WE LEARNED A LOT THIS YEAR.
THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT THE, THE SHEEP DID THAT WERE REALLY HARD TO GET TO AREAS WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN IN YEARS.
THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO REALLY MOW IT RIGHT UP TO THE FENCE LINE, WHICH WE ALMOST NEVER GET.
UM, SO, AND AREAS THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF MUDDY AND HARD TO, TO GET IN THERE WITH EQUIPMENT.
SO THERE'S, WE KIND OF LEARNED WHAT, WHAT THEY DO REALLY WELL.
AND THEN OTHER THINGS THAT OTHER EQUIPMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT YEAR OR SHOULD WE SAY THIS FISCAL YEAR IS.
UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE ANY COMMITMENTS BEYOND THE LAST SHEEP THAT CAME IN AND LEFT.
SO THERE'LL BE A DISCUSSION IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN OR NOT.
UH, SO YOU SAID IT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY, GIVE OR TAKE SOMEWHERE IN THERE ABOUT THAT FOR THE WALK.
DO, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THEY WERE THERE? I WANNA SAY ABOUT 20 DAYS.
SO 20,000, IT WAS ABOUT AROUND AROUND 20,000.
AND THEN YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF THAT WAS GRANT.
SO COST OF THE AIRPORT WAS 10,000.
THIS IS, UM, LATE LAST CALENDAR YEAR.
SO COMING INTO DECEMBER, OUR COMMIT WAS YES, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE UP TO $10,000 FOR THIS.
AND THEN LAST YEAR OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR WAS 10,000.
YEAH, IT'S A LIT, IT, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT
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DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AND DEPENDING ON STAFFING.AND DOES THAT ALL HAPPEN GENERALLY IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND WHEN THAT'S SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? WE'RE NOT MOWING NECESSARILY IN JANUARY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S 10,000 IN OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE SPENDING 20,000 TOTAL.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO SPEND DOUBLE SURE.
TO HAVE SHEEP DONE WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN TWO DAYS WITH, YOU KNOW, ROADS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH USING OTHER STUDY DEPARTMENTS, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE VERSUS OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS WHEN POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AS EFFECTIVE AND ISN'T GONNA COST THE, THE AIRPORT, UH, MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR CONVENTIONAL METHODS.
FOR THIS, FOR THE LAST RUN, IT WON'T, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE, IT WAS, IT WAS AT THE TAIL END OF 20 FOOT FISCALLY, OR 25 WENT INTO 26 A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, NO, I, WE DIDN'T SPEND MORE, UM, IF, IF WE DID SOMETHING BIGGER, UM, OR LONGER THIS NEXT YEAR, OBVIOUS OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT THE, THE COMPONENT THAT'S I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON IS THE GRANT.
UM, SO THERE IS A LOT OF GRANT MONEY THAT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN EXPERIMENT.
UM, AND IT IS, UM, IF NOT HALF, OVER HALF, UH, FUNDED BY, BY GRANT.
WELL IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE WHEN THOSE NUMBERS AS SOON AS I GET THOSE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE SURE.
WITH SOME OF THESE EXPERIMENTS.
UM, DO DAN, DO YOU OR ALEX HAVE ANY IDEA IF THE SHEEP IS, UH, GOING TO BE AN ON GUN GOING THING? WAS AN EXPERIMENT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OR JUST THE, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY INDICATION OF IT.
I KNOW THE CITY DOES IN OTHER PARTS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE CREEKS IN, IN OTHER AREAS.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO IT OR NOT.
UM, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ABOUT SAFETY WISE.
YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE SHEEP, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT, UM, IF, IF THEY WERE TO GET OUT ON THE RAMP TAXIWAY RUNWAY SOMEWHERE, THAT'D BE A BIG ACCIDENT.
THANKFULLY THERE, THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE INCIDENTS WHERE A SHEEP GOT OUT, BUT IT WASN'T OUT TOWARDS THE RUNAWAY.
IT WAS OUT TOWARDS, UM, I THINK IT WAS IN OUR EXTERIOR FENCE.
UM, AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THE SHEEP WENT VERY FAR AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THEM DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS.
THEY ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT MONITORED BY THE SHEPHERD OR SHEPHERDS.
UM, THE NIGHTTIME HOURS THEY KIND OF HUNG, YOU KNOW, HUNKER DOWN AND IT DOESN'T TEND TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM GETTING OUT DURING THE NIGHTTIME.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY BEING MONITORED, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE OF AN ELECTRIC FENCE, SO THEY DON'T TOUCH IT, THEY DON'T GO NEAR IT.
AND SO, UM, IF ONE GOT OUT, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BECOMES A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY ISSUES ON THE AIRFIELD SIDE, THEM GETTING OUT AT ALL.
WELL YOU SAID THEY'RE INSIDE AN ELECTRIC FENCE, BUT SOME DID GET OUT.
'CAUSE THE, UH, SO THEY'RE UP AGAINST OUR PERIMETER FENCE AND THEN THE, ON THE INSIDE YOU'VE GOT A ELECTRIC FENCE, SO THEY WOULDN'T GO TOWARDS THE, THE RUNWAY SIDE AT ALL.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE, WE FOUND A COUPLE, COUPLE AREAS UNDER WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET UNDER AND THEN WE PATCHED IT AND ALL THAT.
BUT SO THEY GOT, THEY GOT OUT BUT NOT TOWARDS, IT WAS BASICALLY AWAY FROM THE YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE A COUPLE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE NEAR THE RUNWAY.
UH, I MEAN, THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE.
I'M, I WAS ORIGINALLY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE FURTHER AWAY MM-HMM
UM, BUT I NOTICED THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES THE TRUCK WAS THERE, THE SHEPHERD'S TRUCK WAS THERE, THERE WAS A WATER TANK THERE, AND THEN THE FENCE LINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE TO THE RUNWAY, BUT THEY WERE, YEAH, RIGHT UP TO 125 FEET, RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE, THE RUNWAY SAFETY AREA.
SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER THAN WE'D ORIGINALLY PLANNED A PLAN, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE GROWTH AND IT WORKED OUT OKAY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IT WOULD BE MORE RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE 'EM STICK TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN THAT AREA IS A WIDE, IT'S A WIDE OPEN AREA, SO IT SEEM TO BE PRETTY EASY TO USE CONVENTIONAL METHODS IN THAT AREA.
AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GO ALONG THE FENCE LINE IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT AS ACCESSIBLE TO CONVENTIONAL METHODS, THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, BETTER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE, UH, 300 HORSEPOWER LAMB CHOPS OUT THERE.
SO, YEAH, I, I, AND THEN I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE GETTING OUT IS THE ISSUE.
I THINK IT'S MORE JUST THE LED TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY, UH, 15, 20 FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE SEEMS TO BE UP TO ABOUT 30 FEET SEEMS TO BE THE, THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR US, JUST BECAUSE OF THE METHODS WE CAN GET OUT THERE.
IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GO MOVE QUICKER, UM, MAYBE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MORE, A BETTER WAY TO GO.
BUT IT DOES TAKE THEM A WHILE WITH WIDE OPEN FIELDS.
WELL, AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A REASON TO HAVE THE MEDIANS BETWEEN THE TAXIWAY, THE RUNWAY AND THE RAMP NICE AND CLEAN.
UH, WHEN YOU GET FURTHER OUT NEAR THE, THE FENCE LINES BETWEEN US AND THE GOLF COURSE, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY? I MEAN, BE WITHOUT THE SHEEP? I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, USING CONVENTIONAL
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METHODS IS EVEN REALLY NECESSARY TO GET ALONG THE FENCE LINE.I MEAN, THOSE AREAS AREN'T REALLY WELL TRAVELED.
IS IT EVEN NECESSARY TO FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS TO BEGIN WITH? FIRE, FIRE CODE? YEAH.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SHEET PROGRAM, MAYBE ALEX YOU CAN CORRECT ME HERE, BUT IT WAS CITYWIDE INITIATIVE BECAUSE IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE NOT USING CARBORATED TWO CYLINDER ENGINES TO BOW, WE'RE USING SHEEP.
UM, AND IT WAS GRANT FUNDED, UH, AS PART OF THE CLIMATE INITIATIVE FOR THE CITY.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF THE SHEEP FOR THIS YEAR WAS THAT IT WAS A GOOD FAITH COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE AIRPORT WITH THE CITY TO SEE IS THIS FEASIBLE FOR THIS PART OF CITY PROPERTY.
SO ALL OF THESE LEARNINGS OF THEY'RE GOOD HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOOD HERE.
THEY GAVE SOMEBODY CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY IN THIS WAY.
LIKE THAT'S ALL THE LEARNINGS FROM THIS SORT OF EXPLORATORY SESSION.
I AM, THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED BACK TO WHOEVER IN THE CITY WAS ORGANIZING THIS.
WE'RE, WE STILL HAVEN'T DONE A, A POST SHEEP GRAZING.
UM, BUT WE WILL GONNA A CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST, LIKE THAT WAS THE POINT.
WAS TO SEE IF THIS WAS A FEASIBLE LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY.
AND THE BUDGET IS OBVIOUSLY A FACTOR.
THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, I COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT SAVING MONEY, IT WAS ABOUT PART OF THE CITY'S CLIMATE INITIATIVE.
AND IF THE, AND IF THE CITY WANTS TO EXPERIMENT WITH THINGS, THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THAT ON THEIR OWN DIME.
AND THAT'S NOT, WELL IT SOUNDS NOT THE AIRPORT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE, IT'S ON THE FEDERAL STATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH THE GRANT, I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE THE GRANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO PROVIDED THE GRANT, BUT IT WAS NOT A, A CITY GRANT.
AND, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, IF IT'S GRANT MONEY, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
LIKE I SAID, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA THE AIRPORT FUNDS.
AND THAT, UM, THERE'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.
WITH THAT MOVING FORWARD, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR NEXT SEASON FOR THIS TO BECOME A DECISION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THIS PROGRAM IS GOING AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
IT MAY NOT EVEN BE AN OPTION NEXT YEAR.
IF THE GRANT MONEY DOESN'T COME THROUGH, AGAIN, IT MAY BE A MOOT POINT, BUT I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT READOUT SURE.
AND TO HAVE US HAVE ACCESS TO WHATEVER REPORT COMES OUT OF THAT PROCESS AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE DO HAVE THIS SKID STEER COMING ONLINE.
IT IS USING 100% RENEWABLE DIESEL, NOT FROM FOSSIL FUELS.
SO THERE IS A GREENING, WE ARE MOVING IN A GREENING DIRECTION WITH, WITH EQUIPMENT WE'RE USING.
SO EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO SHEEP, WE'LL BE DOING THE CLEANEST THING WE CAN.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING THE LEARNING.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS, A LOT OF GOOD ANSWERS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S GETTING TO THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THAT INFORMATION.
BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE ALL INTERESTED, WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT GET TO DECIDE FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE SHEEP.
SO IT WILL BE A THOROUGH CONVERSATION.
UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT IF ANYONE THAT'S USING THE AIRPORT HAS, YOU KNOW, HAD A SAFETY CONCERN OR WAS PUT OUT BY THE SHEEP OR HAD AN ISSUE OPERATIONALLY WITH THE SHEEP THAT THEY LET DAN KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL THAT CAN FEED THROUGH ALL POSITIVE.
UM, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY NEGATIVE.
I THINK THERE'S JUST THE DOG ISSUE.
UM, THERE, THERE WAS A SEPARATE HAD TO A SECOND, UM, ELECTRIC FENCE, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE.
AND A COUPLE AREAS WISE MEN TO KEEP OUT THE DOGS.
UH, IF WE'RE DONE, IF WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, HOW DOES ONE RENT A COMMERCIAL HANGAR? UM, AND THE THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS USUALLY IT'S JUST THERE'S ONE ENTITY.
THERE'S ONE COMMERCIAL OPERATION THAT'S REQUESTED THE HANGAR.
UM, I'VE NEVER HAD TWO, I'VE NEVER HAD THREE, I'VE NEVER HAD FOUR.
SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD JUST, UH, IF WE HAD A, UH, AVIATION, A COMMERCIAL AVIATION BUSINESS, AND WE HAD A SPACE FOR THEM THAT WAS ZONE COMMERCIAL, UH, WE PUT THEM INTO, UM, A CONTRACT.
IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR STANDARD LICENSES.
UM, IT IS A FIVE YEAR EXTENDABLE FOR FIVE MORE.
SO IN THEORY IT'S A, IT'S A 10 YEAR TOTAL LEASE.
UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS A NEED OR AGREED UPON FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT LEASE TO HELP THE, THE BUSINESS AMORTIZE THE, UH, THE, THE COSTS OF, OF THE UPGRADES OR WHATEVER THEY WERE DOING FOR THAT, THAT STRUCTURE.
BUT TYPICALLY IT'S A FIVE FIVE AND, UM, THEIR RENT IS 50% MORE THAN THE STANDARD NON-COMMERCIAL RATES.
SO LET'S EXAMPLE, ROW 18 HANGERS ARE APPROXIMATELY $2,000 A MONTH.
THE COMMERCIAL RATE WOULD BE 3000 BUCKS.
UM, UH, WITH THAT, UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE UP TO FOUR
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INTERESTED PARTIES IN THAT HANGAR THAT ARE NOT AIRCRAFT STORAGE IS ACTUALLY BUSINESSES, AVIATION BUSINESSES, UM, WHAT I WOULD, UH, I GUESS, UH, RECOMMEND IS WE TO ACCEPT PRESENTATIONS BY THE, THE THREE OR FOUR INTERESTED PARTIES TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO, TO SHOW WHAT THEIR INTENT IS FOR THE HANGAR.UM, AND THEN, UH, AS EARLY AS MAYBE NEXT MEETING, TAKING SOME, UH, THERE MIGHT BE INTEREST IN MAYBE JUST EXTEND THOSE OUT OVER SEVERAL TILL THE END OF THE, THE, UH, THE CALENDAR YEAR, OPENING UP THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
IF THERE WAS STILL INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAD A CHANCE TO, I GUESS, THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE CITY'S GOING TO DECIDE.
BUT I THINK MOST OF THAT, UM, DECISION IS GOING TO BE INFLUENCED BY, BY THE COMMISSION'S THOUGHTS, UM, OF THE OPERATORS THAT WOULD LIKE THAT HANGER.
'CAUSE WE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW AVAILABLE.
IT, IT, IT FORMERLY HAD A PLOTS IN IT.
IT IS NOT HEATED, IT'S NOT AIR CONDITIONED.
AND SO THAT'S THE O THE OTHER THING I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT EACH COMPANY WANTS TO DO, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THEIR BUSINESS IN THAT HANGAR.
UM, OTHER THAN THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND THE POWER AND A VERY BASIC WATER SUPPLY THERE, THERE ARE NO SERVICES IN THERE.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ALL THE, UH, OSHA REQUIREMENTS FOR RUNNING LIKE AN OFFICE PER SE OR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF CLIMATE CONTROL.
UM, IT HASN'T, DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE ASIDE FROM THIS COMMISSION, RIGHT? SURE.
BUT I THINK WE DID HEAR INPUT FROM, UH, BE AVIONICS FOR 18 ALPHA BACK THEN MM-HMM
SO I THINK BRINGING THOSE TO THE COMMISSION, I THINK WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE THING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S, UH, MULTIPLE PARTIES INVOLVED.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF 18 BRAVO? SO 18 BRAVO IS FULL OF STUFF.
UM, UH, THE MAIN REASON FOR IT TO BE UNOCCUPIED IS IT HAS THE DOOR IN IT.
UM, UH, I CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO, I CAN JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THE, UH, UH, 18 C DOOR REPLACEMENT.
UM, SO WE, WE SOLICITED FOR, UM, BIDS IN, I WANNA SAY JULY, JULY, AUGUST, RIGHT AT THE, RIGHT, AT THE END OF JULY AND AUGUST.
UM, WE DID A PRE, UM, PRE-BID, UM, MEETING AT THE HANGAR.
WE HAD, UM, IT WAS A OPTIONAL, UH, PRE-BID.
SOMETIMES WE DO MANDATORY, WHOEVER SHOWS UP AS THE ONLY PARTIES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BID.
WE MADE IT OPTIONAL TO TRY TO GET AS FAR WIDE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE BIDDERS, WE HAD TWO, UM, COMPANIES SHOW UP.
AND, UM, THEY WERE SHOWING THE DOOR, THEY WERE SHOWING THE REPLACEMENT DOOR, UM, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, SO WE'LL SEE ON, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS SEPTEMBER 18TH, WE WERE OPENING BIDS FOR, FOR THAT, UH, DOOR REPLACEMENT.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT COLLECTING ANY RENT ON 18 BRAVO.
WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY RENT, RENTING.
UH, IF I HAD ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT THAT DOOR, WE WOULD, WE'D RENT IT OUT.
UM, BUT PART OF THE REASON NOT ONLY TO STORE THIS GIANT DOOR, BUT WHEN WE ASSEMBLE PART, WHEN THE CONTRACTOR ASSEMBLES PARTS OF THE DOOR, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A LARGE SPACE.
THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT IN AT C DEPENDING ON, I DON'T KNOW, RESTRICTIONS AND WHATNOT.
SO IT IS NICE TO HAVE THAT SPACE FOR THIS.
SO, UM, SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE FIRE ENGINES THERE.
I TEMPORARILY THERE, THERE'S SOME FACILITY MOVES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
AND SINCE WE HAD EXTRA SPACE, WE DID OFFER THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN ROOM TEMPORARILY, BUT IT IS VERY LIMITED.
THEY'LL BE OUT IN ABOUT 30 DAYS OR SO.
AND WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY RENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? NO, NOT FROM THAT.
THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, INTERDEPARTMENTAL CO COOPERATION AND, AND HELPS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED.
SO, UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING ANYTHING OF THEM, BUT THIS IS VERY TEMPORARY.
THIS IS JUST A VERY SHORT TERM.
ARE THOSE INNER OPERATIONAL HELPS BENEFITING THE AIRPORT IN ANY WAY, OR? YES.
THEY'RE, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? UM, SOME OF, SOME OF THEM ARE, UH, SOME OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS.
BUT, UM, OUR FLAGPOLE, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME RUNS OFF AS WRONG.
THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY RESET OUR FLAGPOLE.
THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS THAT THEY, THEY ASSIST WITH.
THERE ARE, UM, INFORMATIONAL SUPPORT, THINGS THEY ASSIST WITH.
THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY COULD BILL US FOR THEIR TIME LIKEWISE TO
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OUR ACCOUNTS, BUT WE, THERE'S JUST COURTESIES THAT WE PROVIDE.I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF A, A A TOUGH THING.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, IN THOSE HANGERS, IT'S THE STORAGE IS $2,000 A MONTH.
THE COMMERCIAL RATES AROUND 3,500, GIVE OR TAKE.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED ANY RENT ON IT.
UM, THAT'S ALREADY A BIG BLOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU GO BACK TO TWO LIMA AND THE THINGS THERE GOING ON THREE YEARS NOW.
UM, I, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, I MEAN, WE APPROACHING NOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN LOST REVENUE APPARENTLY BETWEEN THESE, THESE TWO HANGERS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
AND WHATEVER THE REASONS FOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE IDENTIFY WHAT THESE REASONS ARE BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T CONTINUE WITH THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO THE AIRPORT ACCOUNT THAT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE STORING OTHER CITY ITEMS IN THERE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE CITY A CORP YARD AT THE FRONT OF THE AIRPORT, I JUST, ANYBODY WHO'S USING AIRPORT PROPERTY FOR A CORP YARD FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES, UH, AS AN IMPOUND LOT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, TECHNICALLY UNDER THE GRAND ASSURANCES, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT RENT FOR THESE THINGS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA GET, UH, LIKE SERVICES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE SERVICES THAT ARE IN EQUAL VALUE AND BENEFIT THE AIRPORT IN SOME WAY.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING AWAY, YOU KNOW, STORAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, 30.
AND ACTUALLY TO, TO GO BACK ON THAT, IT'S $2,000 A MONTH FOR AIRCRAFT STORAGE.
IT'S 3,500 A MONTH FOR COMMERCIAL AVIATION.
IF WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE STORAGE FOR NON-AVIATION USE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT MARKET RATE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE FAA GRAND ASSURANCES SAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO START ADDING UP THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOSING RENT ON THIS AND THEN NOW POTENTIALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COLLECT MARKET RATE RENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.
UM, I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT THE HANGAR'S NOT USABLE BY ANY OTHER, I CAN'T ALLOW A CONTRACTOR TO GO IN THERE WHEN I HAVE EQUIPMENT, CITY EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE CITY USE ONLY.
WE ALREADY HAVE IT BLOCKED WITH EQUIPMENT.
WE CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY TO ANYBODY ELSE.
WE CAN'T RENT IT TO ANYBODY ELSE WITH OUR STUFF IN THERE.
SO IT'S, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM COLLECTING RENT FROM, AT EVEN $2,000 A MONTH.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE TRADES ARE GONNA BE OF LIKE KIND.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GIVING AWAY A HANGAR THAT COULD RENT FOR $4,000 A MONTH FOR NON AERONAUTICAL USE YEAH.
AND THEY COME OUT AND ADJUST OUR FLAGPOLE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THAT, THAT TO ME DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A, A FAIR EXCHANGE OF SERVICES.
THERE'S THIS, THERE'S VERY, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT THEY ASSIST WITH THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST COURTESIES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO US AT NO COST.
THEY'RE NOT BILLED TO US, THEY'RE NOT INTERDEPARTMENTAL FEED TO US.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO BE, AS, YOU KNOW, EQUAL ALONG THAT PROCESS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO USE THE AIRPORT INDEFINITELY, BUT THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR A LONG TIME OF, UNLESS WE HAVE A LACK OF DEMAND, WE, I CAN'T PUT YOU PERMANENTLY IN ANYTHING.
UM, AND SO ONLY WHEN I HAVE CAPACITY, SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEING USED THAT THERE'S NO OTHER USE FOR, IT'S JUST WASTED SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT'S, WE TRY TO OUR BEST, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT WASTE SPACE.
THERE'S ONE CAVEAT TO THE FA REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS IF IT'S NOT THERE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT IF THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES GRANTS, THEY ARE, THEY ARE A SEPARATE CATEGORY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T RE FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T NEED FA APPROVAL TO, TO BUILD ON AREAS, UM, THAT AREN'T GRANT ASSURANCE PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, ROW NINE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE AIRPORT IS NOT.
SO THAT LITTLE CARVE OUT SPOT THAT WE USED, IT'S BEEN USED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS OVER THE YEARS THAT IS NOT PART OF THE, UM, THE FEDERAL LAND, UM, PURCHASES.
BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM STILL COLLECTING RENT ON THAT IF WE WANTED TO.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M GOING, I LOOK AT THAT'S THE INTENT, THE LEAKAGE ON, YOU KNOW, THE HANGAR RENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
EVENTUALLY, IF, IF WE END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN COST FOR WHATEVER REASON, OR THERE'S A DECREASE IN REVENUES, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THAT COMES TO THE TENANTS, RIGHT? SURE.
I MEAN, WE RUN IN THE BLACK, WE'RE NOT SURE.
PULLING OUT OF THE, THIS, THE GENERAL FUND, WE ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING A SITUATION WHERE, OH, WE'RE IN THE BLACK.
WE CAN AFFORD TO LET THIS GO, LET THIS GO, LET THIS GO.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTS LOOKING AT THE TENANTS FOR ADDITIONAL RENT.
MEANWHILE, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YEARS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, COLLECT A LITTLE HERE, LITTLE THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
WELL, WHERE ARE WE WITH OUR RESERVE BALANCES? I KNOW I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME SOMEWHERE, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE RUN INTO THE SITUATION IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE WE SHOULDN'T, BECAUSE THEN
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WE HAVE EXCESS RESERVES AND THAT LOOKS BAD AT THE FAA AS WELL.SO IF WE'RE LIKE STOCKPILING CASH, RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S ALSO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE ALSO PUT PROJECTS ON HOLD BECAUSE WE'VE DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE FUNDS COULD BE SPENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE, WE COULD ALSO BALANCE IT OUT BY, MAYBE WE WOULD APPROVE ANOTHER PROJECT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING SERVICES TO SOMEONE, THEN I THINK WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO BE MINDFUL OF, ESPECIALLY FOR A LONG-TERM ARRANGEMENT.
I, I THINK WE MAY BE UNDERESTIMATING THE VALUE OF THE GOODWILL.
THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S A TEMPORARY NO COST OPPORTUNITY IS, IS ENGENDERING FOR US.
AS LONG AS IT, IT BALANCES OUT.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I WANNA, I WANNA SEE IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE GOODWILL, THEN THERE SHOULD BE GOODWILL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT'S AN EQUAL VALUE, GIVE OR TAKE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE TO THE PENNY, BUT WE SHOULD WELL, THE DEFINITION OF GOODWILL IS THAT IT'S NOT MONETARY WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S SMALLER REPORTS THAT ARE BEING CLOSED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, I THINK WOULD BE PENALIZED AND POUND FOOLISH AND NICKEL AND DIME THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING $2,000.
BUT IF THE CITY HAS NO, I MEAN, I SEE A HUNDRED, I SAW A MINUTE AGO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 177,000.
I THINK IF YOU GO BACK INTERGOVERNMENTAL CHARGES, YOU KNOW, GOODWILL WOULD MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE AWAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY HAS NO PROBLEM CHARGING US FOR EVERY LITTLE THING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOODWILL'S GOODWILL, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, AND I, I, YES, UM, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.
UM, THE THING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT WE USED TO BE A BIG PROBLEM IS INDEFINITE PERMANENT STORAGE WITH NO COMP AND DIRECT COMPENSATION THAT THAT'S ENDED.
UM, OCCASIONALLY THE CITY WILL USE THE, THE BACK OF THE AIRPORT FOR IMPOUND.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM ANYMORE.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE CONEX BOXES THAT WE ARE BENEFITING FROM.
THERE'S, THERE IS AN ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT THAT WE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR EMERGENCY USE.
UM, WE TRY TO TIE EVERYTHING WITH BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE FRONT OF THE AIRPORT IS THERE WAS REALLY NO BENEFIT.
IT, AND THE BENEFITS WERE JUST MURKY.
AND SO ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO IT CHANGED.
WE SAID, NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE STORING MATERIALS, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING AS A CONSTRUCTION SITE, WE HAVE TO BE GETTING MONEY FROM THAT.
WE WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW HARD IT WAS, UM, TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.
SO AS FAR AS LONG TERM, NO, THERE ARE NO LONG TERM THINGS.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE, THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE THAT HAVE, ARE KINDA LEGACY ARE A GREAT BENEFIT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES OUT AND DOES MY MOTORCYCLE TRAINING.
WE GET POLICE PRISONS FOR LIKE TWO HOURS.
WE GOT ALL THE, ALL THIS POLICE ACTIVITY PEOPLE ON THE FIELD.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S FOR, FOR ME, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT BENEFIT.
WE GET MORE, THE MORE POLICE PRESENCE ON THE FIELD, DAY AND NIGHT IS GREAT.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S, IT'S A BENEFIT TO US.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, YEAH.
IS THAT I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ARRANGEMENTS WE HAVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME IN THE PAST WHERE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY UNEQUALLY WEIGHTED TOWARDS ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT ENDS UP YOU GIVE AN INCH AND THEY TAKE A MILE IT SEEMS LIKE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE'S HOLDING THESE ARRANGEMENTS ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN I SEE THESE INTERGOVERNMENTAL CITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TRANSFERS GOING, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE SO LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING MORE THAN A FLAGPOLE ADJUSTMENT.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS BROUGHT UP, BEEN BROUGHT UP IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE, IS WHAT ARE THESE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE CHARGES? HOW ARE THEY JUSTIFIED AND WHAT PER, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
SO DEPARTMENT, IF THEY OFFER SERVICES, IT'S, IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
EACH DIVISION TAKES A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE SERVICES.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT'S ON OUR LIST.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL ACCURATE, BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ACCURATE 10 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE ACCURATE ANYMORE.
SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, MULTIPLE DIVISIONS WOULD LIKE TO, TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACCURATE.
AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP IN COUNCIL WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, UM, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD AND, AND EQUAL.
AND, AND I THINK TOO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, NOT A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE TO GO BACK ON A, AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE, WHETHER IT WAS GOOD OR NOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK LIKE EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING, EVERYBODY'S MADE GOOD POINTS, BUT GOING FORWARD, MAYBE WE LOOK AT DO WE DO SOME KIND OF A BARTERING SYSTEM? IS THIS A GOOD FAITH THING OR IS THIS JUST A STRAIGHT DEAL BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS? SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING GOING FORWARD AS HANGERS ARE FULL, THERE'LL BE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, NON-AVIATION STORAGE AT ANY TIME.
AND WITH THIS BEING TEMPORARY TOO, UM, I MEAN, HOW,
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HOW SOON ARE YOU LOOKING AT A DOOR REPLACEMENT ON THAT HANGAR? UH, BEST CASE, PROBABLY DECEMBER, IF WE CAN GET COUNCIL, WE GET THE COUNCIL AWARD OF THE LOW BIDDER IN.UM, I THINK WE'RE SET FOR OCTOBER, THEN WE COULD AS, AS, AS EARLY AS LATE OCTOBER, WE PROBABLY GET NOTICE TO PROCEED.
SO SOMEWHERE, BEST CASE LATE, MID, LATE DECEMBER.
I KNOW IT'S PUSHING IN THE HOLIDAYS, BUT, UM, IF WE'RE, I'M OPTIMISTIC IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLUGGING THE HOLE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS TO FINISH THE PROJECTS AS, AS MANY OF THESE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD, I WOULD PERSONALLY MUCH RATHER SEE YOU BE SPENDING YOUR TIME ON MAKING THESE THINGS HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, RATHER THAN FIGURING OUT HOW MANY DOLLARS A DAY YOU'RE IN CHARGE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR A 30 DAY, LIKE YOU CAN PARK IN HERE KIND OF THING.
SO, WHICH, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, WHO DO WE THROW THESE PROJECTS TO? NOW? THE ONES THAT ARE, IF THEY'RE REPEATS, THEY'RE PRETTY EASY.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS.
WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO THOSE PRETTY EASILY.
THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T WORKED.
SAY FOR INSTANCE, THEY ARE OUR WEATHER EQUIPMENT.
SOMEBODY RAN INTO OUR WEATHER EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO THIS DAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, WE CAN JUST THROW IT TO THE CIP GROUP IS VERY LIMITED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE HIGHEST PARTY PROJECTS FIRST AND THEN GOING THROUGH, AND EVERY YEAR IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES ON WHAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR AND WHAT THEY DON'T.
SO UNLESS WE CAN FIND A THIRD PARTY THAT CAN EITHER, WE CAN EITHER DO IT THROUGH A DESIGN AND THEN GO OUT TO BID OR, OR GO DIRECT TO SOME OTHER, UM, MECHANISM.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE HANDLED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, UH, I WAS ABLE TO WRITE, UM, A COUPLE OF THESE, BUT MOST MANAGERS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS STUFF.
THIS IS A WAY OUTSIDE OF THIS SCOPE OF THIS JOB.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT'S ONE OF OUR, OUR TOP ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO SOLVE INTERNALLY.
AND HOW DO WE GET SOME THIRD PARTY TO BOLSTER OUR, UM, OUR PROJECT, SMALL PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOUGH ONE.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY PURCHASING, IF WE HAD SOME OF A PURCHASING DEPARTMENT THAT COULD DO SOME OF THIS WORK, THAT COULD BE PART OF IT.
UM, EVEN POSSIBLY THROUGH OTHER MECHANISMS THAT, UH, ALREADY HAVE PRE-BID AMOUNTS AND, AND PRE-BID CONTRACTORS.
SO JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY THAT FALL IN THIS CATEGORY.
THEY'RE JUST SMALL AND THEY'RE JUST, THEY JUST HARD, HARD, HARD TIME GET 'EM DONE.
SO, UM, WE, WE SHARE THE FRUSTRATION AND WE'RE WORKING ON OPTIONS, BUT, UM, WE'RE NEAR THE END.
SO, SO WE GOT A, WE GOT A LITTLE SIDETRACK.
WE HAVEN'T FINISHED WHAT WE, THE ORIGINAL AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WERE ON EITHER.
THEN WE NEED TO CLOSE ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH IS CONSIDERING, UH, NON-PERMANENT USES OF, UH, AIRPORT PROPERTY.
UH, I REMEMBER MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO THAT THE CORP YARD WAS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.
AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IS IT GET BIGGER AND NOW THERE'S A HUGE PILE OF STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, SO JUST WHAT IS THE, IS THERE A PHASE OUT PLAN FOR THAT ACTIVITY OR, UM, THERE COULD BE.
SO IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT IT'S DOESN'T WORK AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF THOUSAND IN, UH, A MONTH AND JUST HAVE OPEN FIELD, THAT'S FINE.
SO WE ARE RECEIVING A COMPENSATION.
WE'RE RECEIVING 36 AND CHANGE FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
WE, UH, THE CONTRACT I BELIEVE EXPIRES, UM, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UH, SO WE CAN NOT EXTEND IT IF WE WANT.
AND, AND, UM, I, I'LL GO IN ANY DIRECTION ON THIS.
I'M TRYING TO
THE PROJECT, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
WE ARE RECEIVING COMPENSATION FOR IT.
WE'RE RECEIVING CONVERSATION ORIGINALLY WE WERE NOT.
SO THANK WE, WE WERE RECEIVING, IT WAS MURKY AND IT WAS, UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS WORK BEING PROVIDED FOR SPACE.
AND IT JUST, THE NUMBERS JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T SET RIGHT.
AND SO WE GOT RID OF THAT WHOLE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, SO WHERE WE GOT DISTRACTED WITH 18 BROADWAY,
UM, WE, WE, WE JUST NEED TO, UH, SORT OF COME TO CLOSURE ON WHAT OUR PROCESS IS FOR YES.
THIS, SO IF WE'RE, UM, IF WE ARE, UH, EXPECTING THAT 18 BRAVO EARLIEST AVAILABLE WOULD BE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, PRETTY MUCH EARLY 26.
THEN WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THOSE APPLICATIONS PRESENTATIONS.
WE NEED TO GET THOSE AGENDAS FOR NEXT MONTH.
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WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.UM, AND WE NEED TO SET ASIDE A NICE, A NICE CHUNK, UM, AS PART OF OUR NEXT MEETING TO, TO HEAR THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
THAT'S COULD WE OFFER THEM, UH, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER AS POSSIBLE DATES? OR DO YOU WANT TO GET EVERYTHING ON ONE? I IF, IF I'M GONNA PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THAT SPACE, I'M GONNA WANNA KNOW SOONER RATHER THAN LATER OKAY.
THAT I'VE BEEN SELECTED OR NOT.
SO I THINK IF WE, UM, GIVE THEM A MODEST AMOUNT OF TIME AND HAVE THEM ALL IN OCTOBER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.
BOTH FROM A CONTINUITY OF THE COMMISSION, HEARING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS, 'CAUSE IF WE DO IT IN OCTOBER AND THEN NOVEMBER, AND THEN WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TILL DECEMBER.
LIKE THAT'S, AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, LIKE TO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT IF THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, ANY COMMERCIAL LEASE, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S ONLY ONE INTERESTED PARTY FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD STILL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, ANY OF THESE COME TO THE COMMISSION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF USE THAT WE WANT.
I GET THAT THAT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA GO TO THE CITY.
BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE COMMISSION REVIEW, UM, THE PROPOSAL, AND THEN, UM, PASS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CITY.
I, I BELIEVE, UH, ANY COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE USING AIRPORT SPACE, UM, AS A OPERATING OUTTA THE AIRPORT AS A BUSINESS AUTOMATICALLY WOULD TRIGGER, UH, A PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND I THINK IT WORKED OUT WELL FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE CASE.
UH, OCTOBER, UH, SECOND WOULD BE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
ANY ABSENCES, PLANNED ABSENCES THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR QUORUM OR I'LL BE HERE.
SO THE NEW HANGAR DOOR IS AN 18 BRAVO.
AND IT'S 18 CHARLIE THAT'S OUT OF SERVICE.
SO ARE WE NOT RENTING EITHER ONE? CHARLIE IS RENTED.
BUT GUESS ON A REDUCED BASIS, UH, NOT A REDUCED BASIS, BUT THE ORIGINAL LEASE, WHICH WAS A NON-COMMERCIAL LEASE, A COMPANY THAT'S NOT YET QUITE A COMPANY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING THINGS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SOLD ANYTHING YET.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE DOORS REPAIRED, WE GO INTO COMMERCIAL LEASE, SO ALL FOUR UNITS WILL HAVE COMMERCIAL LEASES.
SO AT THE MOMENT, THERE IS NO LONG TERM COMMERCIAL LEASE ON 18 CHARLIE? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES FOR 18 BRAVO.
SO HAVE I WAS, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL LEASE, THAT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
THAT IF THE PRICES ARE RISING IS IS MARKET RATE OR, UH, WELL, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WILLING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, AVIATION COMMERCIAL LEASES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS 18 CHARLIE IS CONCERNED, IS THAT, IS THAT CURRENTLY MONTH TO MONTH THE, THE CONVERSATION'S ALREADY BEEN HAD? THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY FOR IT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED AT, AT MARKET RATE FOR COMMERCIAL, THEN I THINK 18 CHARLIE SHOULD BE PAYING COMMERCIAL RATE AS WELL.
UH, IN THE PAST, IF THERE IS A COMPANY THAT HAS EQUIPMENT THAT'S AVIATION, THEY CAN OCCUPY UNDER NON-COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S, CUSTOMERS AREN'T COMING TO THE FACILITY, NOTHING'S BEING MADE FOR, FOR A MANUFACTURER.
IT'S JUST A COMPANY TRYING TO DO THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY ARE AVIATION.
SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF RAN FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I, THE MOMENT YOU START MEETING A CUSTOMER THERE AND YOU OPERATE OUT THERE AS A COMPANY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S FINE.
I GUESS, I GUESS THE ISSUE STARTS TO BECOME WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR OF THOSE HANGERS.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE DEMAND THAN YOU HAVE SUPPLY AND NOW YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PARTIES THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY AT THE COMMERCIAL RATE, THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RENTING OUT, UH, HANGERS, YOU KNOW, TO QUASI, YOU KNOW, AVIATION BUSINESSES.
AND NOT PAYING THE COMMERCIAL RATE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T WILLING TO PAY IT.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO, UM, TO THE INTERESTED PARTIES.
I'VE ONLY HEARD OF FOUR, WE'LL SEE WHO'S STILL INTERESTED.
AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS WE CAN, HOW MANY ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING.
UH, TAXIWAY ALPHA CLOSURE IS SOMETHING, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR ABOUT A YEAR, BUT IT'S SNUCK UP PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, PG E HAS BEEN WANTING TO GET INTO TAXIWAY ALPHA TO, UH, REPAIR A GAS LINE THAT RUNS OUTTA THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING 'EM OFF FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, NOT SURE WHAT OUR, HOW OUR PROJECT TIMING WOULD WORK WITH OUR, OUR TAX AWAY WORK.
UM, THE, THEY, THEY REALLY WANNA GET THIS DONE.
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MAY BE MORE THAN ONE, UH, ISSUE THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS.SO, UH, WE FELT THAT SINCE THE EARLIEST WE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE WORKING ON, UH, ALPHA AND BRAVA IS PROBABLY THE SPRING.
UNLESS FOR SOME REASON WE WORKED OUT SOMETHING WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THEY WORK QUICKLY.
WE, WE USUALLY TRY NOT TO BEAT THE WEATHER.
UH, IN MOST OF THESE CASES WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE RAM PROJECT, BUT IT, IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO WORK INTO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER JUST BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF RAIN.
SO MOST LIKELY OUR, OUR TAX WAY PROJECT WILL BE DELAYED UNTIL LATE, PROBABLY LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.
UM, THE, THE INTENT IS TO GET THIS DONE AS, AS SOON AS WE CAN, UM, HAVE THEM BILL BACK TAX WAY ALPHA, AND THEN AS TO SPEC AND THEN, UM, THEN BE READY FOR OUR PROJECT.
THAT WAY WE WON'T BE GOING THROUGH A NEW PAVEMENT THAT WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS.
UM, WE WERE KIND OF HOPING THAT WE'D FIND OTHER WAYS, BUT THEY DID NOT.
SO THE, THE MOST, UM, RECENT ESTIMATED DATE IS THE 15TH.
UM, THE 15TH THEY'RE STARTING TO MOBILIZE AND, UM, CLOSE, CLOSE DOWN THAT SECTION OF ALPHA BETWEEN ALPHA THREE AND ALPHA FOUR.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WORK, PRE-WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO ALONG A BRAVO ON THE ENDS OF THE HANGERS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO PARK THERE.
UM, SO PUTTING UP SOME DELINEATION, SOME SIGNAGE, NO PARKING.
IT'S ALSO GONNA COMPLICATE OUR HANGAR REPAIR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE END OF TWO, UH, TWO LIMA IS RIGHT THERE AT TAXIWAY BRAVO.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT SAFE AND, UM, PROTECT THAT, THAT CORRIDOR THERE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF OUR TENANTS WILL BE MOSTLY, WILL BE VERY, UM, THERE WILL NOT BE A BIG IMPACT TO, TO THE THEM HOPEFULLY DURING THIS PERIOD, THE, THE LARGER AIRCRAFT PILATUS, UM, CJS, UH, THEY WILL BE IMPACTED, UH, DUE THE, THE WINGSPAN.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BACK TAXI YOU ON THE RUNWAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR SAFETY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS DONE IN THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS MAX, BUT IT COULD GO A LITTLE LONGER.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA GIVE PG E EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND SEE HOW FAST WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I MISSED WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START? THE 15TH IS, IS THE, THE, UH, PLANNED OF THIS MONTH.
AND THEN DID I MISS THE HANGAR? UH, TWO LIMA REPAIR UPDATES? UH, UH OKAY.
UM, IF THERE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUMP INTO THE PROJECTS.
UM, SO TO LIMA, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING.
UM, WE ARE GETTING OUR PERMIT AS OF EITHER TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
UM, SO ACTUALLY I THINK WE JUST GOT, I THINK IT JUST CAME IN THE EMAIL.
SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE OUR PERMIT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA NOTICE TO PRECEDE PROBABLY TOMORROW TO THE CONTRACTOR.
THEY WANNA START, UM, DEMO WORK ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, JUST PULLING, UH, PIECES OFF, PREPPING FOR THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION, UM, THE, THE REAPPLYING, UM, UH, NEW, UH, SUPPORTS AND EXTERIOR SKIN TO, TO THE HANGAR.
SO IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, SHOULD START WORK ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
SO IT IS, IT IS HAPPENING
YOU DIDN'T, DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COULD HAPPEN.
UM, AND I THINK I ALREADY GAVE THE, THE 18 C UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE THE TIMING, EXACT TIMING OF THE START, BUT IT IS, IT IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE LOW BIDDER IS, UH, ON THE 18TH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON TO LIMA OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER OKAY.
AND THEN JUST, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT POWER BACKUP THAT CAME UP.
UM, SOME COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
WE'D GONE THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A LAPSE IN POWER THAT, AND UM, IT SHUT DOWN SOME OF OUR SYSTEMS. ONE OF WHEN THE FUEL, THE FUEL MONITORING SYSTEM WHEN IT CAME BACK UP WAS VERY ANGRY AND WE HAD TO BASICALLY REBUILD THE BOARD INSIDE OF IT.
UM, OUR INTENT IS TO REPLACE THAT, THAT SYSTEM.
UM, AND OUR BUDGET REQUESTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, WE WILL PUT THAT IN THERE.
IT'S NOT A HUGE EXPENSE, BUT IT'S ENOUGH THAT I NEED TO PUT IT ON.
I DON'T HAVE OPERATIONAL BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS.
UM, IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE REPAIR THAT'S NEEDED.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THIS IS A LEGACY FUEL MONITOR.
IT, IT IS THE GOLD STANDARD OR WAS THE GOLD STANDARD.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF RUN, ITS COURSE PARTS ARE HARD TO GET.
SO OUR INTENT IS TO REPLACE IT, UM, UH, THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, BUT ALONG WITH THAT CAME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS POWER SUPPLY? AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT, UM, I'LL LOOK AGAIN, DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT IT TENDS TO BE AN INTERRUPT INTERRUPTER, UH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
UH, UNI UNINTERRUPTED POWER SUPPLY THAT WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO RUN OUR FUEL MONITORING SYSTEM AND SOME OTHER KIND OF CRITICAL THINGS.
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KIND OF TESLA HAUL SIZE BATTERIES.IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO IF, IF, UM, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED TO BE A, UM, A HIGH PRIORITY.
BUT, UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE, WE COULD SAFELY LOSE POWER TEMPORARILY AND HAVE STAFF WOULD STORE IT WITH, UM, WITH BATTERY SLASH GENERATOR AND, UM, TRANSFER SWITCHES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A TRANSFER SWITCH TO THE TERMINAL.
WHAT ABOUT A MORE PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE HAVING SOMETHING LIKE A GENERATOR, SO THEY WILL KICK ON.
SO MAYBE YOU HAVE A SMALL BATTERY BACKUP TO SUPPORT THE LOAD FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
AND THEN HAVING THE GENERATOR KICK KICKING ON, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
THE BATTERIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE.
SO WE HAVE A, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CI P PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IT IS IN THE LIST.
UM, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, BASED ON THE FUNDING OF THAT AND THE KIND OF SCOPE OF IT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SOLUTION.
UM, WE DO HAVE YET WE DO HAVE A, UM, SORT OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF, WE'RE PART OF.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW THAT'RE KIND OF COMING UP WITH SOME OPTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S MORE KIND OF A RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO AT THE MOMENT THAT WE GET CIP SUPPORT AND, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT AS WE WERE DOING IT THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENDED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE HIGH, THE WHOLE IDEA OF DOING A BATTERY BA UH, A BACKUP OR HAVING SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY POWER GOES BACK FROM, I THINK WHEN I STARTED ON THE COMMISSION MM-HMM
I KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS.
AND WE GO IN THE SAME, SAME CIRCLES.
I MEAN, I SEE THERE'S A GENERATOR SITTING THERE THAT, BUT THAT MEANS THAT IT'S SITTING THERE.
DO WE OWN IT? IS IT RENTED? YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THEN AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A REALLY HUGE PUSHBACK FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THEY SAID THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO WAS TO HAVE AN ELECTRICAL.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN LET US CONSIDER BIODIESEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN SO WE GO DOWN THAT LEFT TURN AND, AND YES, WE CAN DO IT WHEN WE GOT AN EXTRA HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING, ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE FORWARD? ARE WE JUST GONNA GIVE 'EM IN THE SAME CIRCLES AND GIVE 'EM THE SAME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF M MOVEMENT AROUND.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THROWN OUTTA THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BIODIESEL AND WE'RE PUTTING A GENERATOR IN THERE TO KICK ON, THE AMOUNT OF THAT THAT IT'S GONNA GET USED IS VERY MINIMAL.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, TO ME IT WAS REALLY PENNY.
WELL, WHATEVER THE EXPRESSION IS WAS FOOLISH
AND THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THAT, WHICH NEVER SEEMS TO GET DISCUSSED.
WHICH OH, THE, YEAH, THE THING THAT I
UH, REAL QUICK, SO THE, THE MONITOR BOARD, ARE YOU TALKING ME THE VITA ROOT ISD? IS THAT THE ISSUE WHERE THE, THE BOARD WAS? YES.
SO I'VE WORKED ON THOSE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HAD A BOARD FAILURE.
SO I SAY I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY JUST A ONE OFF COULD BE SITUATION.
I'VE ALWAYS FOUND IT TO BE INCREDIBLY RELIABLE.
UM, THE TL S3 50 WAS, WAS THE KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD.
BUT, UM, THESE, THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS ARE TELLING ME THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE GETTING LIKE SECONDHAND PARTS NOW.
SO WE'RE KIND OF END OF END OF LIFE.
I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND A BOARD FOR THAT, THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ANOTHER 20 YEARS BEFORE THERE'S AN ISSUE AGAIN.
AT LEAST IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
BUT IF I DON'T REPLACE IT, THEN WE'LL, OH NO, I MAYBE BE ON ME THAT SAYING THAT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU REPLACE IT WHEN YOU COULD? YEAH.
JUST, JUST BRING THAT YEAH, I KNOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A FOUR, I THINK THE FOUR 50 ARE, WE DON'T NEED A FOUR 50.
IT'S HAS MORE CAPACITY THAN WE WOULD EVER NEED, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS EXPANSION AT SOME POINT, THE FOUR 50 PLUS, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
PLUS IT PRINTS PAPER, WHICH IS KIND OF COOL.
SO, SO ANYWAY, UM, THE, THE REAL LIMITING FACTOR HERE I THINK IS JUST CAN, CAN WE GET THE CFP GROUP TO, TO THROW US SOME RESOURCES ON THIS PARTICULAR, SO IT'S A LOWER PRIORITY PROJECT, BUT UM, ONCE WE GET THOSE RESOURCES, I THINK I'D BE PUSHING FOR THE GENERATOR JUST BECAUSE WE, THE ONLY WAY TO GET A SOLAR ARRAY THAT EVEN APPROACHES OUR NEEDS MEANS A CARPORT MEANS MORE COST, JUST THE COSTS GO WAY UP AND IT'S NOT REALLY PRACTICAL.
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FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY PUSH IS LET'S GET INTO DESIGN.
WE'LL DESIGN A, UM, A GENERATOR THAT RUNS ON, UM, RENEWABLE DIESEL.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FEW MINUTES HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH FOR TESTING.
AND I THINK IT'S THE SIMPLEST AND MOST RELIABLE FOR, FOR OUR USE.
IF WE HAD A GIANT FIELD THAT WASN'T SPOKEN FOR, THAT, THAT WOULD MEAN MAYBE ME A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A SOLAR RESILIENCY PROJECT.
BUT IT'S SO COMPLICATED WE CAN'T PUT ON THE TRAIL, THE TRAIL'S PART OF OPEN SPACE, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDER DIFFERENT ZONING.
SO JUST FOR SIMPLICITY AND PRACTICALITY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS.
SO THERE, THERE IS A PATHWAY FOR US TO GET A DIESEL GENERATOR AT THIS POINT.
IS IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN INFLUENCE THE CIP TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR PROJECT? UM, THERE, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A DRAFT.
UM, AND I CAN EVEN SHARE THERE, THERE IS A DRAFT, UM, UH, KIND OF FEASIBILITY THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, THE GENERATOR WAS NOT LISTED AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT UM, THE COMMENT PERIOD'S STILL OPEN.
I WILL SHARE MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
AND, UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A NEED, IF IT'S DIRECT NEED, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I, I CAN'T SEE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR THE SPACE.
THERE'S OTHER SPACES THAT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANY OF THIS.
SO UNLESS IT'S A GINORMOUS BATTERY, THE PROBLEM WITH THE GINORMOUS BATTERY IS YOU ONLY HAVE A USEFUL LIFE AND THEN ONCE THE THE POWER STAYS OFF, YOU HAVE NO WAY TO GET BACK.
SO, UM, EVEN A HYBRID SERVICE HYBRID WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR ALL OPTIONS, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THIS.
WE WILL GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT TAXIWAY IS MORE IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE SO WE'LL, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE CIE GROUP FOR ALL THE, THE SUPPORT ON THAT AND THE DOOR AND THE HANGAR REPAIRS.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT GET DONE.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S BEEN DRAGGING OUT FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT IS ALL OF MY PREPARED COMMENTS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? UM, HAS ANYBODY EVER GIVEN YOU A COST FOR A SOLAR ARRAY WITH BATTERY BACKUP? UM, 'CAUSE I SEE ALL THE SCHOOLS DOING IT.
MOST PROJECTS, A LOT OF PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF UPFRONT COST.
IT IS, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE POWER.
UM, SO JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE CITY, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY, UM, ANYTHING OR MUCH FOR THE INSTALL.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE BASICALLY, UH, PAYING THE PROJECT OWNER AS A, UM, POWER GENERATOR.
SO THEY, THEY BECAME OUR POWER SUPPLIER.
UM, AND I WOULD, WE WERE ACTUALLY OPEN TO THAT.
WE TRIED TO DO THAT THROUGH, UH, FOREFRONT, UH, DO LIKE A RESILIENCY PLAN WHERE WE'D HAVE LIKE BATTERIES AND WE WORK SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE COULD DO A PARKING LOT THING.
BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH UPFRONT INVESTMENT IN, UM, UH, IN THE TRANSFORMER, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO BRING IN A MUCH BIGGER TRANSFORMER, A NEW PANEL, UH, A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND THE COST WAS TOO PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO MAKE A PROFIT.
SO IT JUST DIDN'T WORK FOR THAT MODEL.
UM, NOT THAT IT CAN'T WORK, BUT IT'S, THE UPFRONT COST IS SO HIGH THAT, UM, IF WE'RE DOING OUT OF POCKET, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE FISCAL SENSE.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST OF OUR POWER IS BEING GENERATED OFFSITE ON, UM, ON THROUGH SOLAR.
UM, DOESN'T MAKE REALLY SENSE FOR TO DO THAT SMALL PORTION, BUT, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
THE THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A WHILE AGO WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST AN EMERGENCY AT THE AIRPORT, BUT IF, WHAT IF THERE WAS A COUNTYWIDE MM-HMM
OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, OR EVEN WORSE, WHICH COULD HAPPEN EARTHQUAKE.
AND DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, EVEN IF WE HAVE ELECTRICITY MM-HMM
WE STILL CAN'T GET THE FUEL OUTTA THE GROUND 'CAUSE IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT SALES THING.
I MEAN WE DO HAVE SOURCES OF, UH, OUR OWN SOURCES OF DIESEL.
UM, COULD THEY WORK IN A NO POWER SITUATION? IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.
WELL THAT PART OF THE THING IS WE CAN, IS AS LONG AS WE HAVE ONE OF OUR TWO GENERATORS IS WORKING, WE CAN PUMP AB GAS WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE GRID COMMUNICATE.
WE CAN STILL, WE CAN STILL BYPASS THE WELL THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT BROUGHT UP.
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YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH GIVING, GIVING THE FUEL DISPENSER, UH, THE APPROVAL TO PUMP THAT, THAT IS AN ISSUE AND IT USUALLY HAS TO COME THROUGH QT POD.SO UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, BUT THERE'S STILL A WAY TO BYPASS THE PAYMENT PORTION IF SAY THERE WERE A SELL A CELLULAR OUTAGE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREVENT A CREDIT CARD AUTHORIZATION FROM TAKING PLACE, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANUALLY ACTIVATE IT.
WE DON'T REALLY, 'CAUSE I MEAN QT POD HAS THAT ABILITY TO OTHER PLACES.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT IF THE CELL GOES DOWN, THAT IS THE COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THAT, THAT, SO YOU CAN'T ACTIVATE THE PUMP FROM THE OFFICE? NO, I MEAN I WENT THROUGH THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AT SONOMA SKY PARK.
THE, UM, CELLULAR WAS DOWN OR THERE WAS NO NETWORK CONNECTIVITY, SO THEY MANUALLY ACTIVATED THE PUMP AND CHARGED ME ON A SEPARATE, UH, CREDIT CARD TERMINAL THAT THEY HAD.
BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO REMOTELY ACTIVATE IT.
AND WE, THAT, THAT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT, I MEAN, CERTAINLY BEING AN OPTION TO DO, I MEAN WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T, WE COULD NOT COME UP WITH ANYBODY THAT HAD AN ANSWER ON HOW TO DO THAT.
IT WAS NEVER SET UP TO DO THAT.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
UM, I MEAN WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO OVERRIDE THE PAYMENT SYSTEM TO PUMP OUT GAS.
THAT TO ME WOULD BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
EVEN IN EMERGENCY, WE'RE NOT CHARGING FOR IT.
I'VE GOT A BOX OF WIRING NUTS AND A NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS.
DOES THAT HELP? YEAH,
THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MANUALLY ACTIVATE IT.
UM, JUST LIKE AT OUR GAS STATIONS, WE CAN MANUALLY ACTIVATE PUMPS WHEN WE DISPENSERS WHEN WE NEED TO, UM, AND BYPASS THE PAYMENT SYSTEM.
'CAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE SOMETHING EXTERNAL.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PAYMENT NETWORK GOES DOWN, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUMP AGAS AND WE CERTAINLY COULD JUST FLIP A SWITCH PUMP AGAS, MAKE NOTE OF THE GALLONS, EITHER CHARGE SEPARATELY, TAKE CASH, WHATEVER THE CHECK, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT RELYING ON A NETWORK CONNECTION TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE DISPENSER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW IT WAS INSTALLED.
WE WILL TAKE ANOTHER ROUND AT IT, BUT, UM, WE CAME UP SHORT LAST TIME.
BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE DISPENSER IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH, WITH SOME SORT OF A SWITCH WIRELESS SYSTEM TO DO THAT.
I I MEAN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE IT INTERNALLY IN THE QT POD.
THERE SHOULD, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO DO IT.
SO WHATEVER THAT TAKES, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I HAD A, A QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE PROJECTS, UM, AT ONE POINT WE HAD DISCUSSED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GIVE YOU MORE AUTHORITY FOR PURCHASING AND APPROVALS.
HAS THAT GONE ANYWHERE? IT IS A PRIORITY.
UM, IT, IT DOES REQUIRE SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE CHANGES.
SO IT'S A DESIRE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, UM, PRIORITY ISSUE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM THAT PREVIOUS CONVERSATION.
YOU HAVE A, MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT AND SO THAT WOULD THEN BECOME THAT PROCESS REQUIRED COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UM, NOW THAT WE, IT'S POSSIBLE NOT 16, DO WE WANNA LOOK INTO DOING THAT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THE CITY, CORRECT.
BUT PRESUMABLY WE COULD, I CAN REVISIT IT WITH STAFF
IS THERE CURRENTLY A CPI, UH, INCREASE ON THAT AMOUNT? I MEAN, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD, I MEAN THERE'S CPI INCREASES ON EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IF THE INTENT THIS YEAR IS TO ALLOW X NUMBER, THAT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS WOULD, I MEAN IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE THING.
I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
ANY FUTURE, UM, CHANGE TO THE AMOUNT WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF CPI ADJUSTMENT SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REVISITED EVERY COUPLE YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OVER TIME IT DOESN'T KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE.
YEAH, BUT I'LL IT WOULD BE GOOD TO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT THE COST, THE COST BASIS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE $30,000 AND IT'S GOING UP CPI, BUT THE COST OF STEEL'S GONE UP 50%.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST HAVE THE CPI IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE WHERE AN AMOUNT GETS PULLED OUT AND THEN THE CODE DOESN'T GET CHANGED FOR 30 YEARS AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS LONG PAST THE INTENT OF, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BE BEYOND, IT SHOULD NEED TO CHANGE TO, TO TO SORT OF, INSTEAD OF CPI MARKET RATE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE THEN THAT BECOMES MUCH MORE REFLECTIVE OF, OF IT AND THEN IT GIVES YOU OR PERCENT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, BECAUSE, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN AS WE TALKED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO THAT YOU PROBABLY, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BASED, IF IT WAS INCREASED TO A 70 $500,000 LIMIT WHERE YOU HAD LESS GUARDRAILS AND COULD DO THINGS QUICKER, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN DONE.
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AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE FRUSTRATION AND WE JUST SEEM TO WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT.AND I THINK, LIKE GOING BACK TO JEFF'S POINT, IF SOMEBODY DROVE A TRUCK THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR OF CITY COUNCIL, I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WOULDN'T BE PLYWOOD COVERING A HOLE FOR IN THIS BUILDING FOR THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS LATER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEN IT GETS, IT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY.
IT'S JUST WHAT THING DO WE DO FIRST? AND IT'S GOOD.
IT JUST, WELL, IT, WELL MAYBE THAT'S, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE.
SO IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF LAWYER TIME.
SO WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOUR LAWYERS THAT ARE WORKING FOR US IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEY HAVE A BIG LONG LIST OF THINGS TO DO AND THERE'S ALL THESE CITY PRIORITIES.
UM, AND SO THIS ONE IS A PRIORITY, BUT OTHER THINGS ARE, ARE HIGHER RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UH, BUT IF, IF, IF YOU HAD MORE AUTHORITY AT A, AT A HIGHER DOLLAR AMOUNT, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE, THE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO IS TO GIVE YOU MORE AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO ACT, ACT QUICKLY.
WE ARE WORKING SOME OTHER AVENUES I CAN'T GET ALL THE DETAILS ON, BUT WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT WE'VE HIRED ON THAT, THAT HAD SOME OTHER, UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAYS TO BUY GOOD SERVICES.
UM, EVEN DO SMALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WITH PRE-BID AMOUNTS AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY LIKE, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A CLEARING HOUSE OF PRE-BID ITEMS, COMPANIES APPROVED VENDORS.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE'S A LOT OF ME, THERE'S A LOT OF MES RUNNING AROUND THE CITY AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL THE SAME ISSUES.
SO WE ARE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.
WE'RE JUST WORRIED ABOUT YOUR NEEDS AND OUR NEEDS.
IF WE CAN FIX IT FOR US THOUGH, WE CAN FIX WE, WE CAN HELP THEM.
I'M, I'M GLAD IT'S STILL BEING WORKED.
IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT THAT BEING A HIGHER PRIORITY, LET US KNOW.
UM, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT'S ON YOUR, ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, RECURRING LIST OF STUFF THAT I JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN ON 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD, HEARD ABOUT IT IN A WHILE, UM, IS WE DID THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, AND HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE MARCH.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
UM,
FULL DISCLOSURE, I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ON IT, UM, IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, UM, NOW THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE, ARE WORKING TOWARDS COMPLETION, I DO HAVE SOME, SOME MORE TIME COMING UP.
THAT'LL BE THE, A HIGHER PARTY.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT REALLY THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COMMISSION WAS, UM, WE WANT DATA AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DATA I CAN GET.
SO BETWEEN, UM, WHAT MEAD HUNT HAS, WHAT WE CAN MAYBE BUY OR GATHER, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
I THINK WITH THE, THE DATA SET I'M LOOKING FOR IS AIRCRAFT OWNERSHIP IN THE BAY AREA.
IF I CAN FIND THAT SOME DATA SET THAT'S SIMILAR TO THAT, OR AT LEAST TRAFFIC, UM, WE COULD MAYBE DISTILL SOME OF THE ACTUAL OWNERSHIP AND, UM, HANGAR HERE IN, UH, THE, THE LARGER BAY AREA.
YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME OF WHAT WAS BEING ASKED FOR BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT KIND OF WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
WE WERE LIKE THINKING, WELL, OKAY, DO YOU HAVE KIND OF A, A SIZE THING THAT YOU WERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I I, I GET WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS.
IT WAS, HEY, WE WANNA BUILD WHAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BAND IS FOR.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK WE GOT.
AS WE'RE REBOOTING FOR THE FALL, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IT KINDA IN THE CONTEXT OF THE 18 BRAVO CONVERSATION OF YES.
IT SEEMS LIKE WHILE WE, WHILE THE JURY MAY STILL BE OUT, SO TO SPEAK, ON THE INDIVIDUAL HANGAR, YOU DEMAND, IT DOES APPEAR IF ALL FOUR OF THESE ENTITIES ACTUALLY COME BACK AND PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION AND ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE MAY BE GREATER DEMAND ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE YES.
THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER ADDRESSING AS PART OF THIS AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA REFRESH THAT JUST ENOUGH THAT WE CAN USE WHAT WE MIGHT LEARN NEXT MONTH TO HELP INFORM, INFORM THAT.
UM, ALL RIGHT, DAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? THAT WAS A LOT.
WE GOT THREE MEETINGS IN ONE TONIGHT.
YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK AND GOOD TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'M OFFICIALLY SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR ANY SAVED ROUNDS OR LAST MINUTE THINGS, BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN OUT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, I WANNA GO AHEAD.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO THE AGENDA NIGHT THAT YOURS JOGGED YOUR MEMORY WHILE WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE ADJOURN? OKAY.
UM, WELL WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN.
AND THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US