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          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE GENERAL, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISOR COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025. 
          UM, COULD I ASK THE MADAM CLERK TO TAKE THE ROLE? ABRAMS, ALTON? HERE. 
          KOHL ROSS? HERE. 
          CHE. 
          HERE. 
          QUINT? HERE. 
          TAR HERE. 
          VASQUEZ HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO GENERAL 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. 
          TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. 
          AND WITH THAT, UM, I SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, , SO NO SPEAKER CARDS WILL BE COMING UP. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS ALSO NOW AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO ANY COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED ONLINE. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. 
          WELL, WE DID. 
          I THINK YOU DID. 
          I THINK WE DID RECEIVE ONE. 
          OH, YEAH, I I SAW IT EARLIER TODAY. 
          I DIDN'T RECEIVE IT, SO, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          , THEY, THEY WERE ADVOCATING FOR THE TRESTLE, SO IT REALLY WASN'T OUR, IN OUR PURVIEW ANYWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE, UM, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, BUT BEFORE WE HEAD ON TO PRESENTATIONS, I THINK, UM, JARED HAD A COUPLE NICE WORDS TO SAY ABOUT A NEW, NEW MEMBER OF OUR TEAM. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          JARED HALL, TRANSIT MANAGER, GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UH, THANKS FOR HELPING TO FILL IN. 
          BY THE WAY, WHILE GAIL IS ABSENT FOR THIS MEETING, I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST STAFF MEMBER, ELLI. 
          SHE'S OUR TRANSIT SPECIALIST, SO OF COURSE DOING A LOT OF OUR MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS TYPE WORK. 
          BUT I'LL, UH, PASS IT OVER TO HER AND MAYBE LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          AS JARED HAS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS A VASQUEZ. 
          I AM HAPPY TO BE ONBOARDED AS A NEW TRANSIT SPECIALIST FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT. 
          I WAS FORMERLY WORKING AS AN OUTREACH SPECIALIST FOR SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE, AND PRIOR TO THAT AS AN OUTREACH ADVISOR AT SONOMA STATE UNIVERSITY. 
          SO HUGE, UM, CHANGE, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE, IS EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WELCOMING ME, WELCOMING ME IN A VERY NICE AND WARMING WAY. 
          SO I AM, I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU IN THE FUTURE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, WE WILL TRANSITION ON TO 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE TONIGHT IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSIT OPERATING BUDGET. 
          UH, JARED, I DON'T THINK OUR SCREENS ARE ON. 
          DO WE NEED THEM? YEAH, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING INTO THAT RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE TURNED ON IN JUST A SECOND. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, I JUST WANTED TO BE APPRECIATIVE OF THE, YOUR MIC OFF MISSING. 
          OH, I HAVE THE MISSING, UH, PLEXIGLASS. 
          OH, GOD. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          I KNOW I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT IT TOOK A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND GENERAL COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT. 
          FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          THEY JUST COULDN'T PHYSICALLY FIT EVERYONE UP HERE WITH THOSE IN PLACE, SO YEAH. 
          HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH KENT, HEAR ANYTHING, BUT I KNEW YOU. 
          YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          FRED . 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I DO, I WAS PRETTY TOLERANT OF IT, BUT I WAS WAITING FOR IT. 
          . 
          SORRY. 
          YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, SHE, SHE'S LATE, BUT YOUR CALL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, JUST ONE SECOND PLEASE. 
          NOPE. 
          MAYBE SHE'S, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, UM, ONE ITEM OF PUBLIC COMMENT COMING FORWARD. 
          A SPEAKER. 
          CAN I, YEAH, WE'RE A LITTLE DELAYED ON OUR TECHNICAL STUFF, SO YEAH, GO AHEAD, . 
          GOOD CALL. 
          AND WE'RE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          I THINK SHE NEEDS A MIC. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, THEY MOVED. 
          I JUST NOTICED THEY MOVED THE OH YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I ALWAYS HAVE MEANT TO COME AND IT JUST WORKED OUT THAT I COULD ACTUALLY BE HERE , SO, AND I LITERALLY RAN INTO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, MY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO DO WITH URGING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER CREATING A TRANSIT ROUTE WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF CONNECTING KIDS WHO GO TO THE EAST WASHINGTON FIELDS. 
          MY KID PLAYS SOCCER THERE, JUST REC SOCCER. 
          BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS, AS YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF KIDS THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THE MAIN COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN IS WASHINGTON STREET TRAFFIC. 
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I LOVE THAT WE HAVE LUMA GO, BUT IT DOES NOT DO THAT ROUTE. 
          IF WE HAD A DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WOULD FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WORK ON EVERYTHING. 
          BUT IF IT WAS A DEDICATED ROUTE, IF IT HAD, IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MORE ON A BUS AND IT RAN A SCHEDULE, I THINK A LOT OF WEST SIDE PAR, UM, FAMILIES WOULD DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AND NOT DRIVE THEM ACROSS TOWN. 
          I DO LI LIVE VERY CLOSE TO EAST WASHINGTON FIELDS, BUT MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL OVER HERE AND IT IS JUST A BEAR OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO I URGE YOU TO TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UTILIZED. 
          UM, AND WE COULD CUT DOWN ON TRAFFIC. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO START OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION NOW, UH, MR. VICE CHAIR. 
          AND SO I WILL PASS THINGS OVER TO KAMI. 
          I'M GLAD YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN 'CAUSE I WAS WORRIED IT WASN'T WORKING. 
          . 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          UH, KIMMI SULLIVAN, SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST. 
          UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UM, SORRY, I'M A NOT BEST WITH MICROPHONES. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK TODAY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TRANSIT OPERATING BUDGET, UM, AND PROVIDE JUST AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEN HOW OUR BUDGET FUNCTIONS AND OUR DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, COME ON. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY GOING TO EXAMINE OUR OPERATING FUNDS. 
          AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT OPERATING FUNDS IS OUR CAPITAL FUNDS, SUCH AS FUNDING THE FACILITY, TRANSIT, ELECTRIC, F, EXCUSE ME, TRANSIT, UH, FACILITY, ELECTRIFICATION, THE BUS PURCHASES, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          THOSE ARE GENERALLY FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS, AND THEN THE GAPS ARE FILLED IN THROUGH TDA FUNDS, WHICH I'M GONNA GO INTO TDA FUNDS IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO THE PURPOSE TODAY IS TO JUST GO OVER WHAT OUR FUND PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, EXPLAIN WHAT OUR TDA LOOKS LIKE, AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE, UM, AS WELL AS COMPARING, UH, THE FUNDING SOURCES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN SEE HOW IT HAS CHANGED WITH THE ECONOMY AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, ALSO DOING AN OVERVIEW OF OUR EXPENSES, OUR EXPENSE HISTORY, A COMPARATIVE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEARS. 
          UM, AND ADAPTING TO ANY TYPE OF FUNDING, SOURCE CHANGES, ECONOMY, COST OF LIVING CHANGES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT IMPACT BUDGETS. 
          SO STARTING OFF, UM, WE RECEIVE FUNDS, UM, FROM VARIOUS SOURCES, UH, WHICH I'LL GO INTO IN A BIT, BUT THEY BEGIN BY BEING APPORTIONED, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH MTC, SO THAT'S OUR REGIONAL METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, THE FTA, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL TRANSIT, UM, AUTHORITY. 
          AND THEN CALTRANS. 
          UM, THIS IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING CALCULATED IN AN AREA, UM, USUALLY BY SOME SORT OF FORMULA. 
          THAT FORMULA CAN BE RIDERSHIP, IT CAN BE REVENUE, IT CAN BE POPULATION BASED. 
          IT'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FORMULAS. 
          THAT FUND WILL GENERALLY EXPRESSIVELY STATE HOW THAT FORMULA WAS CALCULATED. 
          AFTER THAT APPORTIONMENT HAS BEEN CALCULATED. 
          IT THEN GOES INTO LIKE AN ALLOCATION PROCESS. 
          SO THIS IS THE PROCESS OF ONCE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS CALCULATED, IT IS DISTRIBUTED TO TRANSIT AGENCY. 
          WELL, NOT NECESSARILY DISTRIBUTED TO TRANSIT AGENCIES, BUT TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE NOTIFIED OF THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU. 
          AND THAT CAN BE DETERMINED EITHER THROUGH A COMPETITIVE WAY OR A FORMULA BASED. 
          UM, AND THIS IS GENERALLY DONE THROUGH MTC OR SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITY. 
          UM, SOMETIMES IT IS A SPECIFIC FORMULA BASE SUCH AS POPULATION REVENUE, SALES, UH, RIDERSHIP, OR SOMETIMES IT IS A COMPETITIVE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS DETERMINED BY WHATEVER ORGANIZATION IS GOVERNING OR MANAGING THOSE, UM, ALLOCATED FUNDS. 
          AFTER THAT ALLOCATION HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US TRANSIT AGENCIES, WE CAN THEN REQUEST FUNDING ANNUALLY FOR THAT SPECIFIC FUND TYPE. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO REQUEST THE ENTIRE AMOUNT THAT IS ALLOCATED TO US. 
          SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE FUND SOURCE, WE CAN REQUEST JUST A PORTION OF IT AND THEN SAVE THE REST IN THE POT. 
          UM, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE STIPULATIONS ARE. 
          UM, AND SOMETIMES THIS IS DISPERSED AS A LUMP SUM. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S DISPERSED QUARTERLY. 
          NOT ALL FUNDS ROLL OVER. 
          AND SO DEFINITELY WE WANNA USE THOSE FUNDS FIRST, UM, VERSUS ONES THAT ROLL OVER. 
          TALKING ABOUT ROLLOVER FUNDS, TDA, SO THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT. 
          UM, THIS IS OUR MOST FLEXIBLE FUNDING SOURCE, AND IT IS DEFINITELY OUR GREATEST FUNDING SOURCE. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS, UH, DEPICTION WE GET OUR ANNUAL APPORTIONMENT, AND THEN ANY PRIOR YEAR REMAINING BALANCE, THAT ALL GETS 
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PUT INTO THE POT FOR WHATEVER THE AVAILABLE BALANCE IS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEN FROM THAT, WE CAN CHOOSE TO, UM, REQUEST TO USE IT FOR OPERATIONS OR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          SO IF WE HAVE MORE IN THE POT THAN OUR ANNUAL APPORTIONMENT, WE CAN REQUEST MORE. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE BALANCE THAT GOES INTO OUR ANNUAL TDA REQUESTS IS WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO FILL IN THE GAPS AND DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE NEED WHILE TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE REMAINING BALANCE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DRAW DOWN THE ENTIRE AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. 
          WE CAN REQUEST MORE THAN THE ANNUAL APPORTIONMENT, HOWEVER, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN OUR TOTAL AVAILABLE BALANCE. 
          UM, AND WHAT IS HELPFUL WITH TDA IS IT CAN BE PUT TOWARDS EITHER OPERATIONS OR CAPITAL OR BOTH. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE DO OUR REQUEST, IT HAS US BREAK IT DOWN. 
          UM, AND SO IT ALLOWS US TO FILL IN THE GAPS FOR MORE RESTRICTIVE B UH, SOURCES. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THIS, WE TEND TO TRY TO MAKE THIS OUR LAST DOLLAR IN. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE, WE TRY TO PLAN AROUND THAT FIRST AND THEN USE TDA TO FILL IN WHATEVER GAPS WE MIGHT HAVE. 
          HERE IS OUR MAIN FUNDING SOURCES BROKEN DOWN. 
          THESE ARE ONCE AGAIN, OPERATING FUNDING SOURCES. 
          SO THE MAIN ONE IS THE STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE. 
          SO THAT FCA, THAT'S THROUGH, UH, SALES TAX ON DIESEL FUEL. 
          UM, FTA 53 0 7, THAT'S A FREQUENT ONE. 
          UM, THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO DIFFERENT OPERATIONS AS WELL, SUCH AS PARATRANSIT OPERATIONS. 
          WE'VE ALSO USED PORTIONS OF IT, UM, FOR WEEKEND SERVICE IN THE PAST. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THAT GETS ALLOCATED. 
          AND WE DO THIS ANNUALLY THROUGH, UM, WHAT THEY CALL A GRANT PROCESS WITH THE FTA, BUT IT IS ESSENTIALLY A FUND THAT GETS ALLOCATED TO US. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, TDA ALSO SALES TAX GENERATED. 
          AND THEN NEW THAT BEGAN THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR IN FY 24 25. 
          WE RECEIVE 180,000 FROM THE CITY GENERAL FUND SPECIFICALLY TO FUND THE FAIR FREE PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THAT'S A NEW FUNDING SOURCE. 
          UM, GO SONOMA, WE HAVE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES THROUGH GO SONOMA, SO THAT'S THROUGH S-C-T-C-A. 
          THIS WAS FORMERLY MEASURE M, UM, MEASURE M UH, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD EXPIRED, BUT ENDED IN, UM, MARCH 31ST, 2025, AND THEN GO SONOMA TOOK EFFECT APRIL 1ST, 2025. 
          THE COUNTYWIDE QUARTER CENT TAX, 18% OF IT IS TOWARDS TRANSIT OPERATIONS. 
          WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO USE IT FOR OPERATIONS, AND THEN 2% IS ALLOCATED FOR FAIR FREE PROGRAMS AS WELL. 
          OTHER GRANT REVENUE SOURCES. 
          WE HAVE HAD THE SONOMA COUNTY CLIMATE RESILIENCY FUND IN THE PAST. 
          UM, THAT EXPIRED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE MOVE TRAFFIC IMPROVE SAFETY, THAT'S THROUGH S-C-T-C-A GO SONOMA. 
          UH, WE HAVE THAT FOR THREE YEARS, AND THAT SPECIFICALLY HELPS FUND THE TRANSIT EXPANSION PORTIONS OF LUGO AND SOME OF OUR SCHOOL TRIPPERS. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD ADVERTISING, WHICH WILL BE CONTINUING THIS YEAR. 
          THAT'S A SELFING REVENUE. 
          AND IN THE PAST WHEN WE DID CHARGE FAIRS, THAT WAS ALSO A REVENUE SOURCE. 
          HOWEVER, ONCE THE FAIR FREE PILOT PROGRAM BEGAN LAST YEAR, THAT HAS NOT BEEN A REVENUE SOURCE AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          A LOT OF NUMBERS . 
          THIS HAS BEEN OUR FUND HISTORY. 
          ALL OF THIS ESSENTIALLY JUST SHOWS, UM, HOW THE FUNDS HAVE FLUCTUATED SINCE, UM, 2020 OR FY 19, UH, FY 20. 
          UM, AND IT SHOWS THE GRADUAL CHANGES THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          I WANNA MAKE NOTE OF THE 71% INCREASE IN MEASURE MGO SONOMA. 
          THE REASON WHY WE SAW SUCH A HIGH INCREASE WAS BECAUSE OF THE BALLOT OR THAT MEASURE TAKING EFFECT. 
          AND SO IT, IT CREATED THAT INCREASE. 
          UM, NEXT YEAR, I THINK IT'S ANTICIPATED FROM THE 68 OR 660 K, I THINK IT'S LIKE A, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 14, EXCUSE ME. 
          IT'S A, IT'S CALCULATED AT A 3% INCREASE FOR FY 27. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A 71% INCREASE, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL NOT BE NOTED AS A 71% INCREASE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN ANOTHER INCREASE IS IN TDA, WE SEE AN 18% INCREASE. 
          UM, THAT IS JUST CHANGING FROM, UM, GOLDEN GATE HOURS. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE SPLIT IT IN THE REGION. 
          THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT REGIONAL CHANGES. 
          AND SO PETALUMA SAW A BIT OF AN INCREASE JUST BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES CHANGING IN THE PETALUMA AREA. 
          HOWEVER, LOOKING INTO FY 27, WE ANTICIPATE A 9% INCREASE VERSUS AN 18% INCREASE IF THE, UM, MASCOTS WERE TO TAKE EFFECT. 
          SO THAT IS KEY. 
          IF MASCOTS WERE TO TAKE EFFECT, IF IT'S NOT MTC GENERALLY ESTIMATES LIKE A 4% ANNUAL INCREASE AVERAGE. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER NOTE THAT I HAD HERE IS THE AVERAGE INCREASE OR DECREASE OF FUND ALLOCATIONS FROM 
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FY 23 TO FY 25. 
          I SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT 23 TO 25 BECAUSE THE COVID YEARS OBVIOUSLY CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. 
          NOT SAY 23 WASN'T A COVID YEAR, BUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET BACK INTO WHATEVER NORMAL LOOKED LIKE. 
          UM, WE'RE SEEING ON AVERAGE A NEGATIVE 0.4% DECREASE IN FUND AVAILABILITY. 
          UM, SO GOING, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK? YEAH. 
          UM, I MISSED THE ACRONYM. 
          S-T-A-F-T-A. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES. 
          UH, STA IS THE STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE, AND THEN FTA IS FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION, UM, AUTHORITY. 
          AND THEN TDA IS, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT, WHICH IS THESE ONES. 
          THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY RAISED THROUGH SOME SORT OF SALES TAX, WHETHER ON GASOLINE, GENERAL SALES, STATEWIDE, OR, UM, COUNTYWIDE. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO MOVING INTO OUR OPERATING EXPENDITURES, THESE ARE OUR TYPICAL, UM, CATEGORIES OF EXPENDITURES. 
          WE HAVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR CITY STAFF, TEMP, TEMP STAFF AND INTERNS. 
          WE HAVE OUR MV CONTRACT, WHICH I KNOW IN THE PAST MEETINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RECONTRACTING PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, UM, FUEL TIRES, PARTS, UM, GENERAL SUPPLIES. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY UTILITIES FOR THE BUILDING, INSURANCE TAXES, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES SUCH AS FOR, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS, CONSULTANTS, AUDITORS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. 
          UM, WE HAVE OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL, THAT'S HOW IT'S CODED IN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY CITY OVERHEAD FEES. 
          SO ADMINISTRATIVE, HR, FINANCE, IT, RISK MANAGEMENT, UM, LEASES. 
          AND MISCELLANEOUS GOING INTO HOW THAT HAS PANNED OUT, UM, IS OVER THE, I TOOK A AVERAGE OF FY 21 TO 24, AND THEN OUR FY 25 ACTUALS AS IT'S BEEN IN THERE. 
          AND SO WE CAN SEE OUR MV CONTRACT IS OUR NUMBER ONE, UM, EXPENSE SOURCE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE SEEN IT INCREASE. 
          AND THEN WE WILL, WE ANTICIPATE INCREASING FOR FY 26 THROUGH THE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RECONTRACTING PROCESS, OUR SECOND, EXCUSE ME, UM, OUR SECOND SOURCE IS FUELS PARTS AND TIRES. 
          WE, WE, AS YOU CAN SEE, SAW A BIG INCREASE. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGING FLEET. 
          UM, AND SO THAT REQUIRES MORE MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE THERE AS WELL. 
          UH, SALARY AND BENEFITS WITH ADJUSTING COSTS OF LIVING, ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN INTERGOVERNMENTAL SAME IDEAS. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE GENERALLY OUR HIGHEST, UM, EXPENSE SOURCES IS ESSENTIALLY OUR OPERATING, YOU KNOW, SALARIES, BENEFITS, MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS PARTS, UM, WHICH I'LL GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO OUR OPERATING EXPENSES. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR OPERATING REVENUE WITH ALL OF THOSE FUND SOURCES, UM, AMOUNTS TO 4 MILLION, 4.1 MILLION. 
          BUT OUR OPERATING COSTS IN FY 25 WAS 5.8. 
          THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF 1.7 MILLION. 
          HOW DO WE FILL IN THAT GAP? THAT'S WHERE THE TDA FUNDING COMES INTO PLACE. 
          SO WHERE THESE, UM, FUND SOURCES OR GRANTS ARE NOT ABLE TO COVER, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COST, TDA GENERALLY COVERS THE DISTANCE. 
          UM, AND SO SOME OF THE REASONS FOR THESE COST INCREASES LAST YEAR, OR FY 25 WAS THE ADDITION OF THE LUMA GO SERVICE OLDER VEHICLES. 
          UM, I NOTED ABOUT 40 K WORTH, UM, OF INCREASED MAINTENANCE, UM, NEW MV COSTS, UH, PRICE INFLATION, UH, COST OF LIVING, UM, INCREASES. 
          AND THEN FINALLY FULL STAFFING, UM, AS THE DIVISION WAS OPERATING AT A LOWER STAFFING LEVEL. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET TO A FULL STAFFING LEVEL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE HAVE SEEN OUR FINANCES, UH, PLAY OUT. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELY ENTIRELY ON TDA FUNDING EVERYTHING AS WE'VE NOT, LIKE, AS I NOTED, LIKE I SEE A TREND AND DECREASE. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING POSSIBLE FUTURE FUNDING SOURCES. 
          UM, WE HAVE, THERE'S VERY LIMITED OPERATING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S A VARIETY OF CAPITAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. 
          WE CAN FIND A VARIETY FOR ELECTRIC BUSES IN CALIFORNIA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FACILITY EXPENSES FOR, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL OPERATING GRANTS, THAT TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING TO FIND. 
          'CAUSE JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE JUST NOT AS OUT THERE AS PREVALENT. 
          AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. 
          SO, LOW CARBON TRANSPORTATION OPERATING PROGRAM, LCOP, UM, THIS CAN POTENTIALLY FUND PARTIALLY OF FAIR FREE PROGRAMS. WE'VE CURRENTLY BEEN APPLYING FOR IT ANNUALLY BECAUSE IT ALSO FUNDS ELECTRIC BUS PURCHASES. 
          SO THIS HAS HELPED US FUND, UM, PURCHASING FOR OUR TRANSITIONING TO A FULLY 
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ELECTRIC FLEET. 
          UH, SO THE WAY THAT LC OP, UH, GRANT WORKS IS YOU SELECT ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE PAST. 
          AT THAT TIME, UM, BUSES WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AS WE NEEDED TO TRANSITION. 
          HOWEVER, LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, IT, AS WE START TO GET OUR ELECTRIC BUSES IN, IT MIGHT BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO SWITCH IT TO AN OPERATING TO FUND FAIR FREE PROGRAMS. UM, I SAID POTENTIALLY AT RISK FOR FUTURE FUNDING, BUT THAT JUST CHANGED. 
          UM, SO IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT LCOP, WHICH IS FUNDED THROUGH CAP AND TRADE PROGRAMS, WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH 20, I THINK 45, BUT LET'S JUST SAY 40 TO BE SAFE. 
          45. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, SO WE CAN IGNORE THE POTENTIALLY AT RISK BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S SET THROUGH 45, UM, THROUGH, WE ALSO HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION FUND FOR CLEAN AIR. 
          WE ALSO HAVE BEEN USING THAT FOR EV BUS PURCHASES. 
          UM, BUT IT CANS FUND SPECIFIC OPERATIONS. 
          WE HAVE USED IT TOWARDS OPERATIONS IN THE PAST. 
          UM, I'M TALKING LIKE PRE 2020 IS WHEN THEY WERE, LIKE, WHEN IT'S BEEN USED FOR OPERATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, THE CHALLENGE IN THAT IS AT THAT TIME, UM, THE TFCA GRANT, UM, TRANSIT AGENCIES WERE PRE APPORTIONED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          SO IT WASN'T COMPETITIVE. 
          THEY WERE JUST LIKE PRE-ALLOCATED AN AMOUNT, AND THEN THE REST OF THE FUND WAS COMPETITIVE. 
          NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT TO ENTIRELY COMPETITIVE. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE GOING FOR OPERATIONS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S SOME SORT OF COMPETITIVE PROCESS. 
          UM, LAST YEAR IN FY 25, WE APPLIED FOR AN EV BUS PURCHASE BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO SECURE FUNDING FOR THE REST OF PHASE THREE. 
          BUT LOOKING INTO FY 26, WE CAN LOOK AT IF WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE, GET AWARDED FOR IT POTENTIALLY FOR AN OPERATING COST. 
          OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, FTA 53 10. 
          THIS IS OPERATING FUNDING FOR SENIORS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES. 
          UM, THIS GENERALLY OCCURS EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          IT IS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE. 
          WE APPLIED FOR IT, UM, IN AUGUST AND WE'RE AWAITING NOTICE. 
          UM, WE SPECIFICALLY APPLIED FOR IT, UM, FOR LUGO. 
          AND SO 53 10, WE CAN, UM, APPLY FOR IT IF WE PROVIDE SERVICE OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED A DA REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO IF WE OPERATE OUTSIDE OF OUR DESIGNATED PARATRANSIT ZONE OR IF WE OFFER SUPPLEMENTAL. 
          AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND BE, LUGO CAN BE A SUPPLEMENTAL SERVICE FOR OUR PARATRANSIT RIDERS, OR FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT QUALIFY TO USE PARATRANSIT, BUT MIGHT IDENTIFY AS A SENIOR OR SOMEONE WITH, YOU KNOW, DISABILITIES THAT IT, IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO WE APPLIED FOR THAT AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY HEAR SOMETIME IN THE FALL IF THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US SOME FUNDING. 
          UM, ADVERTISING IS ANOTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, SO WE'RE WORKING, LOOKING AT CONTRACTING WITH A THIRD PARTY. 
          UH, WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THAT READY TO GO. 
          AND THEN WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO, UM, DIFFERENT AGENCIES IN THE AREA. 
          THIS WILL ALLOW A DESIGNATED SALES MANAGER TO GO OUT AND REACH AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO TRY TO INCREASE THE MARKET AND HOPEFULLY GENERATE A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE THAN WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE IN THE PAST. 
          AND THEN MOST RECENTLY WE ALSO APPLIED FOR S-C-T-C-A CYCLE TWO FUNDING. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THROUGH THE GO SONOMA PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR UP TO FIVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          THE CITY IS ALSO ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR UP TO FIVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          SO IN TOTAL, THE CITY IS ABLE TO SUBMIT 10, AND THEN FROM THERE, F-C-T-C-A WILL TRY TO AWARD FUNDING TO AGENCIES BEST ON THE, BASED ON THE BEST FIT. 
          SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT GRANTS AND THEY MIGHT APPLY IT TO THAT. 
          SO SOME OF THE, UM, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE, UM, LIKE OPERATIONS, BUS STOP, IMPROVEMENTS, WAY FINDING SIGNAGE. 
          UM, IF FOR UPDATING THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, ANY CHANGES IN ROUTES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET POSSIBLE FUNDING FOR THAT. 
          SO WE WILL HEAR SOMETIME LATE FY 26. 
          SO SOMETIMES IN THE SPRING I ANTICIPATE, I THINK, UM, PREDICTIONS FOR FY 26. 
          SO AS WE GET IN NEW BUSES, WE'RE HOPING FOR REDUCED MAINTENANCE COSTS. 
          WE ALSO, IN FY 25, REPLACE QUITE A FEW ENGINES AND TRANSMISSION. 
          SO THAT WILL WE'LL SEE A DECREASE IN RE UM, MAINTENANCE COSTS THERE. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE LESS SOFTWARE PURCHASES WITH THE LAUNCH OF LUGO. 
          WE'VE HAD TO PURCHASE SOFTWARE, UM, ROUTE SCHEDULING, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. 
          SO THE STARTUP COSTS WILL DECREASE, IT'LL JUST BE MORE OPERATING TO CONTINUE OPERATING LUGO. 
          UM, AND I KNOW I JUST KIND OF BLENDED THE LAST TWO TO THE MIDDLE TWO TOGETHER. 
          UM, HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE DO SEE, UH, FROM THE CONTRACT RENEWAL, UM, OF MV AT 24% INCREASE IN FY 26 FUNDS, BUT THEN A 5% INCREASE ANNUALLY FROM THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR PREDICTIONS FOR, UH, FY 26. 
          SO REDUCED MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING COSTS FROM STARTUPS, UM, BUT AN INCREASE FROM MV. 
          UM, 
          [00:25:01]
WE'RE ALSO EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO LOW CARBON, UH, FUEL CREDITS, POTENTIALLY COMMINGLING, PARATRANSIT AND LUEGO, UM, WHICH JARED'S GONNA TALK A LOT ABOUT LUEGO, SO I'LL LEAVE A LOT OF THAT UP TO HIM. 
          BUT THAT KIND OF TIES INTO THIS, WE'LL JUST BLEND IN NICELY TOGETHER. 
          BUT, UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, UM, CHARGING FAIRES FOR LUMA GO, UM, SO I KIND OF PUT IN A CALCULATION HERE BASED ON OUR CURRENT RIDERSHIP LEVELS. 
          IF WE CHARGE A DOLLAR 50 PER RIDE, IT WOULD GENERATE 40 2K IN REVENUE. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF THIS WILL HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE EXPLORING WHATEVER WE CAN TO TRY TO, UM, BEST SET, UH, UH, PETALUMA TRANSIT UP FINANCIALLY AS POSSIBLE GOING INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN LIKE INCREASED COSTS AND ALL OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          SO LAST SLIDE IS QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE RIGHT INTO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL START WITH FRED. 
          UM, I JUST, I HAD A FEW, BUT I THINK, UM, I'D HAVE TO DELVE INTO MUCH MORE INFORMATION. 
          ONE IS JUST FOR RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SURE IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, HOW MUCH LONGER FOR THE FAIR FREE PILOT PROGRAM? DO WE KNOW? ANYONE KNOW? HOW LONG IS THAT BILL? I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ONE. 
          SO IT WAS EXTENDED FOR ANOTHER YEAR THROUGH FY 26. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OUR CURRENT COMMITMENT, THE CITY COMMITMENT. 
          THERE'S NO FIRM PLANS BEYOND THAT. 
          THE HOPE IS THAT IT CONTINUES. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE PAYING FOR THAT, AS CAN BE ALLUDED TO. 
          IT'S A COMBINATION OF A GRANT, SONOMA COUNTY CLIMATE RESILIENCY FUNDING, WHICH IS SUN SETTING, BUT THE GO SONOMA MEASURE KICKS IN AND STARTS PROVIDING FUNDING. 
          AND THEN CITY GENERAL FUND COVERS THE OTHER PORTION OF IT. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THOSE FUNDING SCORES REMAIN IN PLACE. 
          WE WANNA CONTINUE IT, BUT FOR NOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE LONGEST COMMITMENT WE CAN CURRENTLY SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS, FRED. 
          DAVE. 
          OKAY, SEVERAL QUESTIONS. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THE NE THE, UM, OPERATING DEFICIT OF 1.7 MILLION WAS A BIG NUMBER. 
          UM, I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ARE WE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR RESERVE POLICY? ARE WE STILL IN, ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR RESERVE POLICY? WE STILL HAVE RESERVES. 
          WE STILL, AND, AND IT, AND IT MEETS THE SIX MONTH, UM, DDA ALLOCATION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WE HAVE VIOLATED OUR, OUR POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND I THINK JARED, ARE WE GONNA SEE A 10 YEAR PROJECTION NEXT MONTH? I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          I FORGET, IS THAT ON YOUR SCHEDULE TO TELL US WHAT THE FUTURE IS? YEAH, WE'RE CURRENTLY UPDATING THAT PROJECTION RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THAT FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS I'M SEEING TODAY, I REALLY WANNA SEE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE FORWARD. 
          UM, $180,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR FAIR FREE. 
          THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER THAN I THOUGHT WAS THE CASE. 
          DID, DID SOMETHING CHANGE HERE? I I HEARD 60 MILLION OR 60,000 AT ONE AT ONE POINT. 
          IT, IT'S BEEN 180. 
          REALLY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GUESS I JUST HEARD SOMETHING INCORRECTLY THEN. 
          THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL DIFFERENCE MM-HMM . 
          TO JUMP ONE JUMP FROM WHAT THE HIGH 200,000 TO ABOUT 430,000, THAT'S A HUGE JUMP. 
          UH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED THERE? UM, SO THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THE CITY WILL JUST ASSIGN, UM, EACH DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERHEAD FEES. 
          UM, AND IN GENERAL WE JUST SEE COST OF LIVING INCREASES, UM, STAFFING, YOU KNOW, RESTRUCTURE OR HIRING, YOU KNOW, AS STAFFING LEVELS FLUCTUATE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SAW THAT HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THAT'S 50% IN ONE YEAR AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD'VE REALLY CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, I'M SURE THERE, YEAH. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THE PAST, SO THAT, THAT NUMBER WAS LIKE THE AVERAGE, SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY 50% IN ONE YEAR. 
          UM, BUT FROM THE AVERAGE IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN A GENERAL INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THERE IS A HISTORY. 
          MMTC HAS SLAPPED OUR HANDS BEFORE SLAPPED THE CITY'S HANDS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FOR PUTTING TOO MANY CHARGES INTO INTER GOVERNMENTAL FEES AGAINST TRANSIT. 
          SO JUST MM-HMM . 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M AWARE OF IT. 
          THAT'S 15 YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S STILL, THE HISTORY'S STILL OUT THERE, . 
          AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THERE WAS A READJUSTMENT OF ALLOCATIONS OF THE TDA, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL GONNA HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THE MASCOTS PROGRAM. 
          HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREMENTAL ADJUSTMENT AS WE AWAI THE MASCOTS OR, SO THIS ADJUSTMENT WASN'T RELATED TO MASCOTS, IT WAS JUST, UM, THE, THE WAY OUR TDA IS APPORTIONED TO US IS IT GETS ASSIGNED TO SONOMA COUNTY. 
          UM, PETALUMA GETS A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN CERTAIN AMOUNTS GET DESIGNATED TO GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND THEN SC UH, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT. 
          BUT IT'S BASED UPON THEIR ROUTES. 
          AND SO IF THEIR ROUTES CHANGE NATURALLY BY THEM, THEN IT IMPACTS OURS. 
          SO 
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THIS WASN'T PART OF, PART OF REDU REDUCING HOW MUCH WE GIVE TO GOLDEN GATE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S STILL TO COME. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS SORT OF A TWO PART PROCESS. 
          WE'VE SEEN ONE PIECE COME INTO PLAY. 
          THE SECOND IS YET TO BUT WILL SHORTLY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS ERIC. 
          THANKS DAVE. 
          SORRY, I WAS JUST WRAPPING UP NOTES HERE. 
          UM, LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          THANKS. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU PATTY. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, 2% OF MEASURE OF GOS AND NOMA FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED FOR FAIR FREE MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR IS THAT JUST FOR PETALUMA? NO, THAT'S FOR THE COUNTY. 
          BUT SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS IT'S CALLED FAIR FREE PROGRAMS. AND SO EACH TRANSIT AGENCY MAY DETERMINE HOW THEY WANT TO DESIGNATE IT AS FAIR FREE. 
          SO YOU MIGHT SEE IT AS YOUTH FAIR FREE OR SENIOR FAIR FREE. 
          SINCE WE ARE CONSIDERED FAIR FREE, IT JUST GENERALLY GOES INTO OUR FAIR FREE POT, IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF IT THAT WAY. 
          IF WE WEREN'T FAIR FREE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE WANTED TO USE IT TOWARDS YOUTH OR SENIORS OR ANY OF CATEGORY THAT WE WOULD DESIGNATE. 
          BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR A DESIGNATED CATEGORY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MAYBE I MISSED THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T PRETEND TO, UH, UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE FUNDING STREAMS. UH, SO , IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS FOR ME TO LEARN IT . 
          SO HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING FROM, UM, GO SONOMA FOR FAIR FREE? YEAH. 
          SO WHEN I REACH OUT TO GO SONOMA, THEY, BECAUSE IT TOOK EFFECT IN APRIL, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE FUNDS TO GENERATE AND THEY ANTICIPATE US RECEIVING 73,000, UM, IN THAT BALLPARK. 
          IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE GETTING FROM MEASURE M? IS THIS I MEAN, YEAH. 
          SO WE, FROM MEASURE M, WE'RE NOTICING AN INCREASE, NOT IN THE FAIR FREE CATEGORY, BUT IN THE GENERAL GO SONOMA TRANSIT CATEGORY, WE ARE NOTICING AN INCREASE AND THAT SUGGEST THE SHIFT FROM THE MEASURE M TO GO SONOMA. 
          AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE, BUT IT WON'T BE 71%, BUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THIS FISCAL YEAR FY 26 FROM LAST YEAR, SO MEASURE M TO GO SONOMA IS GONNA BE 71% INCREASE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THOSE FUNDS GO FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, NOT JUST FOR FAIR FREE, RIGHT? NO. 
          THAT THOSE FUNDS GO TOWARDS OPERATING COSTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN 2% OF THAT, SO 73,000 WILL GO TOWARDS THE FAIR FREE, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE QUICK THING TO INTERJECT ON THAT, THE TRANSIT SHARE OF GO SONOMA INCREASES FROM 13% UNDER MEASURE M TO 18% WITH GO SONOMA PLUS THE 2% FOR FAIR FREE PROGRAMS. SO KIND OF PUT ANOTHER WAY, WERE IT NOT FOR THE SHIFT AND THE INCREASE IN THE TRANSIT ALLOCATION, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN LESS MONEY WITH THE WAY THAT THE FUNDING TRENDS ARE GOING. 
          WE'RE ONLY GETTING MORE BECAUSE THE PERCENT INCREASED. 
          BUT REALLY THAT'S KIND OF MITIGATING THE OTHER DECREASES IN FUNDING SOURCES. 
          SO WERE IT NOT FOR THAT TO BE GOING DOWNWARDS. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT'S GOING UPWARDS AT THE MOMENT. 
          I MEAN, I, I GUESS MY REAL QUESTION IS, , CAN WE GET MORE MONEY FROM GHOST NOMA FOR FAIR FREE ? I MEAN, I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHERE OUR FAIR FREE FUNDS ARE AT, I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO CARLY ABOUT THIS TODAY. 
          UM, I WAS COMPARING HOW MUCH WE WERE GENERATING WHEN WE WERE CHARGING FAIRES ON FIXED ROUTE SERVICE. 
          UM, AND BETWEEN THE CITY'S COMMITMENT OF 180 K AND THEN THE GO SONOMA, UM, 73 K, THAT MATCHES ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AT THE LAST YEAR THAT WE WERE CHARGING FAIRES. 
          UM, SO WE DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL GO CINEMA FUNDS. 
          UM, THE FAIR FREE PORTION IS COVERED. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING ANY TYPE OF OPERATING FUNDS FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS, THAT PORTION. 
          BUT TO MAINTAIN FAIR FREE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING GOOD IN THAT TINY SPECIFIC CATEGORY RIGHT NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA BELABOR THIS, BUT THE CITY'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO FAIR FREE TO, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT REPLACING THE CITY'S MONEY WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR FAIR FREE? IF WE, IF THERE'S EVER GRANTS, I'M, I'M ALL FOR APPLYING FOR ANY TYPE OF GRANT THAT I CAN FIND. 
          UM, THAT'S MY JOB. 
          I, SO YES, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S JUST NOT MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO FIND ANY TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO IF Y'ALL HEAR ANYTHING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND IT MY WAY, 'CAUSE I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          UM, , BUT WITH THAT AND SO, UM, IF THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT, ABSOLUTELY WE'LL APPLY, BUT IF THERE'S NOT THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, UM, THEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF, UH, MY QUESTIONS ARE ALSO GONNA COME UP IN THE LUMA GO PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          , UM, , YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF, JUST TO PREVIEW THAT, YEAH, , 
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UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT CHARGING FARES FOR LUMA GO, WHEN WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING OF NOT HAVING THE FAIR COLLECTION INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, I'M, WOULD, I WOULD WONDER WHAT THAT $42,000 YOU ESTIMATE MM-HMM . 
          AND I REALIZE IT'S AN ESTIMATE, UM, WHEN YOU ADD HAVING TO RESTART THE FAIR COLLECTION INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN ALSO, UH, WRITERS WE MIGHT LOSE MM-HMM . 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY EVEN, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR 50 MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT IT MIGHT BE A LOT TO SOME PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, I MEAN, I JUST THINK I, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. 
          SO ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA STOP. 
          THANK YOU PATTY. 
          FRANK. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, UH, ON THE REVENUE, UM, SLIDES, WAS THERE A, WAS THERE AN AMOUNT FOR WHAT? FOR THE GENERAL FUND? UM, OR WHAT THE CITY PUTS IN? NO, SO I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE IT JUST STARTED, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A HISTORY OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT WAS A HUNDRED K 180 K FLAT EVERY YEAR, SO IT WOULD NOT CHANGE. 
          AND ONE QUICK CAVEAT ON THAT, IF I CAN. 
          UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST MAJOR INSTANCE OF TRANSIT RECEIVING CITY GENERAL FUND. 
          THAT STARTED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY GAVE 10,000 FOR THE VETERAN FAIR FREE PROGRAM AND THEN WENT UP TO 180,000 FY 26 BEING THE SECOND YEAR WHEN THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          BUT PRIOR TO THAT IS, I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE CAN ATTEST THAT WERE HERE BEFORE MYSELF. 
          TRANSIT IS GENERALLY NEVER RECEIVED PRIOR CITY GENERAL FUNDS PRIOR TO THOSE TWO ITEMS. OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU BRING THE SLIDE UP THAT HAD THE EXPENDITURES? YES. 
          ONE BRIEF MOMENT WHILE I TRY TO NAVIGATE THIS. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SHARE QUESTIONS. 
          I'M NOT, OH, NO. 
          , I THOUGHT I HIT IT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SHARE. 
          NOPE, THAT'S NOT WORKING EITHER. 
          NICE. 
          UM, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. 
          LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ANY HELP CAM AND YOU WANT ME TO SHARE IT? THERE YOU GO. 
          IT'S WHAT  WHAT'S THE SLIDE NUMBER ON THAT ONE? NO, DID YOU, DID YOU STILL HAVE NOT WORKING? SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT? NO. 
          OH, IT HERE CAM, I'VE GOT IT. 
          PULL IT UP, BUT I DON'T, I SHARE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          WAS THIS A SLIDE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, UH, DO YOU OFFER EXPENSES? SO I, I GUESS MY, YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, BUT JUST OVERALL I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AT THE INCREASES IN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, PRIOR TO THE 2025 ACTUALS. 
          UM, THE, HOWEVER, SOME OF THAT MAY BE MASKED IN THAT WE HAVE IT PRESENTED AS 2021 TO 2024 AVERAGE MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL HERE. 
          I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK SALARY AND BENEFITS, UH, WENT FROM 4 42 TO 6 44, JUST ROUGH MATH. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, ALMOST 50% AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT? RIGHT. 
          UM, AND, AND I REALIZED THE MV CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, I THINK THERE WAS THIS, UH, A, A BLURB THAT SAID THAT'S GOING UP 24% AND THAT'S CERTAINLY REPRESENTED HERE. 
          UM, BUT UH, OVERALL IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG INCREASE. 
          I, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE COMPARING IT TO AN AVERAGE OF 21 TO 24. 
          UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO SEE ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2021, BUT WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A 24, ACTUAL 23 ACTUAL, 
          [00:40:02]
UM, ON THAT IF POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JERRY YOU'RE ABLE TO SHARE LATER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. 
          WE DEFINITELY HAVE ALL THAT IN A SPREADSHEET JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THESE. 
          UH, CAN WE TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE BEFORE, BUT SOME OF THAT IS SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR A PERIOD IN FY 21 TO 24, WE WEREN'T RUNNING AT FULL STAFF, WHEREAS IN FY 25 WE GENERALLY WERE. 
          SO EVEN IF THAT'S ONE POSITION OUT OF FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, PERCENTAGE WISE, THAT'S PRETTY CONSIDERABLE. 
          SO THAT'S, I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THAT ALONG WITH THE REGULAR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, THE MB CONTRACTS. 
          SO THAT'S BOTH THE REGULAR INCREASES IN THERE AND INCREASE IN SERVICES TOO. 
          SO OF COURSE LUGO INCREASED AND THEN WE BROUGHT BACK SOME SCHOOL TRIPPER, UM, TRIPS AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A PURIST COST INCREASE. 
          IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WHAT WAS, UH, PROVIDED. 
          SO THAT'S SOME OF THE BIG ONES THERE. 
          AND THEN REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE ARE HAVING. 
          AND THEN USUALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF MAJOR REPAIRS LIKE ENGINE TRANSMISSION REPLACEMENTS, WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN COMPLETED NOW. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF THE  BACKGROUND IN SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT REALLY KIND OF PAINT THE PICTURE A BIT MORE, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THAT CONTEXT, UM, IS HELPFUL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THAT CONTEXT MAKES THIS SEEM, UH, SEEM IT'S BIGGER THAN I WOULD'VE EXPECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANKS FRANK. 
          UM, SO AS FOR ME, UM, IF WE CAN LEAVE THE SLIDE UP FOR A SECOND. 
          YEAH. 
          TO ADD TO WHAT OUR COUNCIL MEMBER WAS SAYING, UM, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE WHAT WAS IN BETWEEN, AND WE DON'T NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 21, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT FUEL PARTS AND TIRES AND IF WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS ELECTRIFICATION OF OUR FLEET ONE, I WOULD HOPE, UM, WE CAN SEE HOW SOME OF THESE INCREASES KIND OF CAME TO BE, BUT ALSO IF WE CAN SEE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT IT'S, WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO SEE, BECAUSE AS, AS WE ELECTRIFY PRESUMABLY FUEL PARTS AND TIRES ARE, IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, UM, SEEING AN INCREASE THEN I WOULD HOPE. 
          BUT, UM, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION THERE TOO, WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WAS IN THE PAST PROBABLY NOT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2021, BUT ALSO WHAT WE COULD ANTICIPATE JUST SO WE KIND OF HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF GRASPING IT FOR THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS. 
          WE'LL PROVIDE THE YEAR BY YEAR FOR LIKE FY 21 THROUGH 24, SO YOU CAN SEE IT MORE BROKEN DOWN ANNUALLY. 
          UM, I THINK REGARDING THE FLEET MAINTENANCE COST EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT DECREASES NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF ELECTRIFICATION. 
          THAT'S THE HOPE. 
          A LOT OF TRANSIT AGENCIES WHEN THEY'VE DONE COMPARISON OF SAY DIESEL VERSUS ELECTRIC VERSUS FUEL CELL, ACTUALLY FIND THE COST PER MILE PRETTY COMPARABLE. 
          AC TRANSIT DID, UM, A DIFFERENT STUDY. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE FOUR ITERATIONS OF IT ON THE WEBSITE. 
          THAT'S WORTH A GOOD READ. 
          I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST PIECE THAT'LL DECREASE THAT IS THE FACT THAT THEIR NEW BUSES ALTOGETHER AND REALLY ANY NEW BUS IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT WOULD DECREASE THAT COST COMPARED TO A 15 YEAR BUS THAT HAS FAILING ENGINES, TRANSMISSIONS, ALTERNATORS, IT'LL REMAIN TO BE SEEN REALLY FOR A FEW YEARS, HOW MUCH THE ELECTRIC TO DIESEL COSTS COMPARE FOR US. 
          BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OTHER AGENCIES HAVE EXPERIENCED, UH, WHEN THEY KIND OF MAKE THAT TRANSITION. 
          SO JUST BY PHASING OUT THE OLD BUSES, BRINGING THE NEW ONES, THAT'S HOPEFULLY A BIG COST SAVINGS THERE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHEN WE PREPARE OUR TENURE, UM, PROJECTIONS, WE GENERALLY INCLUDE THE PAST LIKE FIVE YEARS IN IT THAT TO GIVE US A GOOD IDEA SO THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THAT DOCUMENT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ONCE IT BECOMES AVAILABLE. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE, UM, THERE WAS ONE COMMENT, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THE SLIDE, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING DAVE WANTED TO, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS SLIDE AND I JUST REALIZED I'M WRONG. 
          I, I, I FORGOT WHAT YEAR IT IS. 
          EVERYTHING'S GOOD. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          , MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD ONE, ONE QUESTION ON THE SLIDE AS WELL, OR NOT ON THIS SLIDE. 
          NO, THIS IS SEPARATE FROM OH, OKAY. 
          OH, ON THIS ITEM. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          AND I'VE GOT TWO MORE, BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL ALSO STEAL YOURS FIRST. 
          I SHOULD DO THAT. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP NEXT, . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I KIND OF HAD ONE ANSWERED ALREADY. 
          UM, IT WAS THE SONOMA COUNTY, UH, CLIMATE RESILIENCY FUND. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TDA TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE WITH, WITH THE FUNDING WITH THAT, UM, BEING THE REPLACEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO WITH THE AMOUNT THAT WE WERE RECEIVING THROUGH THE SONOMA COUNTY 
          [00:45:01]
TRANSIT, UH, RESILIENCY FUND, THAT ACTUALLY THE GO SONOMA 2%, UH, IS THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          AND BECAUSE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETING FAIR FREE FOR YOUTH, UM, IT JUST KINDA SLIDES RIGHT INTO REPLACE WHERE THAT ENDED. 
          THIS, UH, GO SONOMA 2% KIND OF JUST PICKS UP. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH THAT CLIMATE RESILIENCY FUNDING, MOST, NOT ALL, THAT WAS A ONE-TIME FUNDING SOURCE FROM THE VW SETTLEMENTS. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT ONE THAT WILL FOR SURE BE COMING BACK. 
          THAT WAS MORE ONE TIME FUNDING SOURCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A 2% INCREASE, I THINK IT WAS FROM LIKE 2023 TO NOW FROM FTA FI, UH, 53.07, BUT THERE WAS A REALLY BIG ONE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR PRIOR. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IT, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I'M ANSWERING IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          WAS IT BECAUSE OF COVID OR WAS IT, WAS SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING AT THAT TIME? YEAH, SO, UM, IN THAT TIME PERIOD, THE FTA WAS ISSUING, UM, I'M FORGETTING THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF THOSE FUNDS. 
          UM, THE CARES ACT, UM, WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          AND SO THERE, THERE WAS RELIEF PROGRAMS FOR TRANSIT AGENCIES DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS TWO OR THREE WAVES. 
          CARES WAS ONE, KRISA WAS ANOTHER. 
          AND WHAT WAS UNUSUAL ABOUT THOSE FUNDS IS USUALLY FEDERAL FUNDS ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR OPERATING WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS OR MOSTLY CAPITAL. 
          THOSE FUNDS WERE ABLE TO BE USED TOWARDS OPERATING, WHICH WAS ESPECIALLY HELPFUL FOR THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THOSE AGAIN, WERE KIND OF ONE OFF FUNDS. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT LOOKS, UH, YOU KNOW, ABNORMALLY HIGH COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          BUT THAT KIND LEADS INTO THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION. 
          SO GIVEN SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE SEEING UNCERTAINTY ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, CAN WE, CAN WE EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO SEE THIS 1% ALLOCATION YEAR OVER YEAR? UM, SO OUR, OUR AMOUNT FOR FY 26 GOING INTO FY 26 IS SECURED. 
          YOU KNOW, WE GOT THAT GRANT, UM, RECENTLY AWARDED, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING EXECUTED. 
          UM, AFTER THAT I, WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE IT, LIKE TO CONTINUE, BUT AS WE'RE SEEING, UM, SO MANY CHANGES HAPPEN SO FAST, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE BEST SUCCESS. 
          SO LIKE ANY OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, UM, THE, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY FOR THE FT A 53 OH SECOND, UH, UH, SEVEN FUNDS, THEY GET APPROPRIATED BY CONGRESS EVERY YEAR. 
          SO LIKE THERE IS NO TALK RIGHT NOW THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES IN FTA DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, SO GRANTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING, UM, UH, ELECTRIC BUSES. 
          UM, SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING CHANGES IN THAT AND MAYBE FTA FUNDED ELECTRIC BUS GRANTS MIGHT NOT BE AS AVAILABLE AS THEY HAVE BEEN. 
          THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY A HUNDRED PERCENT MEAN WE'RE SEEING THAT IN CALIFORNIA, LIKE FROM CALTRANS OR OTHER AGENCIES RIGHT NOW. 
          IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF IT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTACTS WITHIN, UH, CALTRANS, THE FTA AND ALL OF THAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT, GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, BUT YEAH, WISH WE KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN , BUT YEAH. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I THINK A LOT OF US DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
           AND FRED, BACK TO YOU. 
          JUST ONE QUESTION AND HAS TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD MM-HMM . 
          AND DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD PUT MONEY INTO THE BUSES THE CITY USES TO TRANSPORT STUDENTS? GO AHEAD JOE. 
          UH, NO, THEY DON'T CURRENTLY . 
          UM, AND AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LONGER THAN ME MAY HAVE MORE HISTORY PER MY UNDERSTANDING DURING THE OH EIGHT RECESSION. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICT USED TO PROVIDE MORE OF THAT TYPE OF SERVICE, BUT THEY HAD TO TRIM AT THAT TIME AND THE CITY STEPPED IN AND SAID, WE'RE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE MORE SERVICE IN THE FORM OF OUR 300 AND 500 SERIES ROUTES. 
          AND WE DO, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OUR MOST PRODUCTIVE ROUTES. 
          WE OFTEN HAVE FULL BUSES, LIKE 50 PLUS PEOPLE ON THEM, AND WE HAVE FIVE OF THOSE ROUTES CURRENTLY. 
          BUT EVER SINCE THE CITY TOOK THAT OVER, THAT'S BEEN ENTIRELY FUNDED BY THE CITY WITHOUT FUNDING FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY ROCKED TURNOVER, EVERY FUNDING SOURCE, UH, POTENTIAL DISCUSSION THERE. 
          BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING, OF COURSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE READ ABOUT THEIR OWN FISCAL SITUATION AND WHERE THEY ARE. 
          NO, I, AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO YOU SEPARATELY, BUT THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO IT. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          ONE OTHER THING I WOULD KIND OF REEMPHASIZE TOO IS REALLY THE BIGGEST ASPECT OF THIS THAT'S DIFFICULT THAT HAS REALLY IMPACTED FUNDING HAVE BEEN THE TDA FUNDING TRENDS THAT'S BEEN DOWN PRETTY CONSISTENTLY FOR OVER TWO YEARS. 
          AND AS KAMI MENTIONED, THAT'S REALLY OUR MOST IMPACTFUL FUNDING SOURCE AND OUR MOST FLEXIBLE ONE. 
          SO THE MAIN THING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP THE SITUATION IS, UM, AN IMPROVED OUTLOOK ON THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT CERTAIN ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          AND TURNAROUND WITH TDA FUNDS, THAT OF COURSE IS ONE TIED TO THE STATE LEVEL. 
          QUARTER CENT SALES TAX TBA. 
          OKAY, THANK 
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YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY LINGERING COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I DON'T WANT TO GET ANY DEEP . 
          I KNOW WE COULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND PRESENTATION ON THE LUMA GO PILOT PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          UH, GIMME A MOMENT HERE TO SHARE MY SCREEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON LUGO. 
          UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE STARTED LUGO ABOUT ONE YEAR AGO AND IT WAS FRAMED AS A ONE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM. 
          SO AS PROMISED DURING THAT PROCESS, WE WANNA COME BACK FIRST BEFORE TAC AND THEN COUNCIL IN OCTOBER TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT, THE STEPS THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR WITH IT, HOW IT'S BEEN PERFORMING OVER THE PAST YEAR, AND THEN GET INPUT ON KIND OF WHAT THE FUTURE STEPS ARE. 
          AND SO ACCORDINGLY, THIS IS THE AGENDA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. 
          SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK THROUGH MEMORY LANE AND REMIND EVERYONE THE PROCESS OF HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE AND THEN LEADING INTO THE OTHER PIECES, UM, INCLUDING SOME OF THE DATA ON HOW IT'S BEEN PERFORMING SO FAR, AND THEN GETTING A GOOD DISCUSSION AND GUIDANCE AT THE END FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SERVICE. 
          SO AS A REMINDER OF HOW LUMA AGO WAS CONCEIVED, IT WAS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL GOALS FOR FY 24 AND OUR PROJECT PLANNING STARTED IN JUNE, 2023. 
          AND WITH THIS SERVICE IN PARTICULAR, WE WANTED TO REALLY TAKE A BLANK SLATE APPROACH AND WE WANTED TO BE VERY PETALUMA SPECIFIC, NOT FEEL LIKE A GENERIC OFF THE SHELF TYPE SERVICE. 
          AND SO WE HAD A REALLY ROBUST PROCESS THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE PETALUMA FOCUSED WITH THE DESIGN OF WHAT THE SERVICE IS CALLED, WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE IT'S USING, WHAT THE BRANDING IS. 
          AND SO WE SET OFF TO CREATE A PROCESS WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY ALL THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. 
          AND SO WE FORMED A COMMUNITY AD HOC GROUP THAT FIRST MET IN JULY, 2023. 
          WE HAD, UM, ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE ON THAT GROUP, I BELIEVE INCLUDING MEMBERS OF T WERE ON THERE AND MEMBERS FROM OTHER NONPROFITS FROM THROUGHOUT PETALUMA REPRESENTING VARIOUS DIFFERENT IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS, AGE WISE, NONPROFITS REPRESENTING LOW INCOME, AFFORDABLE HOUSING GROUPS. 
          UH, TRIED TO BE A WIDE ARRAY OF DIFFERENT INPUTS AND COMMENTS. 
          SO WE MADE SURE WE'RE COVERING AS WIDE A SWATH OF PETALUMA AND ITS RESIDENTS AS WE CAN. 
          AND FROM THAT PROCESS, THE GROUP MET OVER SIX MONTHS, UH, FOUR TIMES I BELIEVE. 
          AND WE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO TO ACHIEVE WITH THE SURVEY. 
          AND SO WE DID SURVEYS OF THAT GROUP, WE DID SURVEYS OF THE PUBLIC AND FROM THAT WE DISTILLED IT DOWN TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS LIST. 
          AND SO THE FIRST ONE, AND I WOULD SAY THE MOST OVERRIDING ONE IS WE WANTED TO BRING NEW TRANSIT RIDERS INTO THE FOLD. 
          WHAT SOME PEOPLE CALL NEVER TRANSIT RIDERS. 
          SO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED LOOKING AT TRANSIT OR DID AND SAY IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME WITH THE CURRENT OFFERINGS, LIKE THE FIXED DROUGHT SYSTEM, WE WANTED TO BRING THOSE PEOPLE IN AND GET THEM TO RIDE THIS SERVICE AND CONCEPTUALLY TRY TRANSIT OVERALL AND HOPEFULLY SAY, OH, LUGO GREAT, LUGO WORKS GREAT, NOW I WANT TO TRY THE FIXED DROUGHT SYSTEM, ET CETERA, AND REALLY START TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE OFFER. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG MOTIVATIONS THAT WE HAD. 
          WE WANTED TO INCREASE ACCESS TO OUR LOW INCOME AND SENIOR POPULATIONS. 
          THAT OF COURSE IS ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PARTS OF PETALUMA AND WE ALL KNOW THAT DIFFICULTIES IMPACTING THINGS LIKE HOUSING PRICES AND ALL OF THAT IS A MUCH HARDER MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO INFLUENCE IN THIS CASE BY DOING THINGS LIKE FAIR FREE AND THEN LUGO, WE WANNA PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT HELP LOWER PEOPLE'S COSTS FOR WHAT'S THEIR LOWEST COST OVERALL TRANSPORTATION AND HOUSING. 
          SO THAT WAS A GOAL BIT AS WELL. 
          WE WANNA SERVE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING ON MAJOR CORRIDORS SUCH AS WASHINGTON STREET, NEAR THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, AND THEN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA SO THAT THE TRANSIT USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE SIDE OF THINGS. 
          AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIMENTING THE EXISTING NETWORK. 
          WHAT WE DIDN'T WANNA DO IS WHAT'S CALLED CANNIBALIZATION IN TRANSIT TO WHERE YOU'RE JUST SHIFTING PEOPLE FROM ONE SERVICE TO ANOTHER. 
          WE DON'T WANT ALL OF THE NEW RIDERSHIP AT LUGO TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ROUTES LIKE 11 AND TWO. 
          WE WANT THEM TO BE NEW TRIPS THAT WE'RE GENERATING BY CREATING IT. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS ONE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION PIECE WAS ANOTHER BIG ONE. 
          REALLY CONGESTION 
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ALONG ALL THE MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT IT SERVES, BUT IN PARTICULAR DOWNTOWN, THAT'S ONE OF SEVERAL STRATEGIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN PARKING PLANNING PROCESS. 
          THAT'S OF COURSE, ONGOING RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL PIECES THAT GO INTO THAT, SUCH AS THE PARKING STOCK, BUT ALSO THINGS LIKE PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS AND SERVICES LIKE TRANSIT OR A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. 
          SO THE PROGRAM THAT WE CAME UP WITH, UH, AFTER THAT ROBUST PROCESS IS LUMA GO. 
          AND SO HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THIS AND THE GREAT WORK THAT OUR TEAM DID, MOST NOTABLY MARIA, YOU CAN SEE HER THERE ON THE BOTTOM PHOTO, DID GREAT WORK. 
          AND SO IT WAS A UNIQUELY BRANDED SERVICE. 
          IT WAS NAMED SO THAT PEOPLE HOPEFULLY RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S PETALUMA, IT'S IN THE NAME. 
          WE WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IT'S OPERATED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND PETALUMA TRANSIT. 
          SO THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT AND THEY TRUST THE DRIVERS, THEY KNOW THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET. 
          WE CREATED A WHITE LABEL APP. 
          SO WHEREAS SOME MICRO TRANSIT WILL HAVE A GENERIC APP THAT'S NAMED AFTER THE PROVIDER, THIS APP SAID LUGO AND IT HAD ACTUAL VEHICLE ON IT AND IT HAD UNIQUE BRANDING TO THE SERVICE FROM THE MINUTE YOU OPEN IT. 
          WE WANTED TO HAVE A ROBUST OUTREACH PROCESS. 
          SO ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, YOU CAN SEE SOME THAT ARE LISTED THERE AND THERE'S MORE THAN THIS, BUT MAJOR ONES LIKE THE, UH, MCDOWELL FAMILY SCHOOL, THE WOMEN'S CLUB, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BLUE ZONES, PEP HOUSING, ALL OF THOSE GROUPS HELPED TO SPREAD THE WORD. 
          AND WE DID OVER A DOZEN COMMUNITY EVENTS GOING TO DIFFERENT EVENTS THEY'RE PUTTING ON LIKE, UH, TRANSPORTATION FAIRS. 
          WE DID, UM, INITIAL RIDES FOR PEOPLE SO THEY COULD LEARN THE PLATFORM. 
          SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO OUT TO SENIOR HOUSING, HELP EVERYONE DOWNLOAD THE APP AND HELP 'EM MAKE THEIR FIRST TRIP AND ACTUALLY GO WITH THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE GOING FROM THE APARTMENTS TO SAY, RAY LEASE TO GO SHOPPING. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID ABOUT A HALF DOZEN EVENTS LIKE THAT TO HELP PEOPLE GO ON THEIR FIRST LUMA GO TRIP. 
          AND THEN WE WANT TO INTEGRATE IT WITH EXISTING CITY EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          MAJOR ONES LIKE LUMA ICE, PETALUMA FAIR, THE CRAFT BEER FESTIVAL THIS PAST WEEKEND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WENT AND TOOK LUMA GO AND THEN THE BUTTER AND EGGS PARADE. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE SERVICE ITSELF, YOU CAN SEE THE SERVICE MAP THERE. 
          UM, AND IT'S BEEN ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY, UM, SINCE THIS TIME. 
          BUT ALL THE MAJOR DESTINATIONS ARE SHOWN. 
          SO AGAIN, THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR IS SERVED BY IT. 
          A PORTION OF NORTH MCDOWELL, OF COURSE, DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, A GOOD PORTION OF THAT IS SERVED, UH, DOWNTOWN SMART STATION FAIRGROUNDS, TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, UH, EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, AND THEN THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          IT OPERATES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          WE STARTED WITH ONE VEHICLE TO BEGIN THE SERVICE AND DUE TO INCREASED DEMAND BEYOND OUR INITIAL EXPECTATIONS, PRETTY MUCH RIGHT OFF THE BAT AT MONTH MARK, MONTH THREE, WE ADDED A SECOND VEHICLE DURING PEAK TIMES, WHICH IS FROM 11:00 AM UNTIL 3:00 PM OR WAS AT 6:00 PM WHY AM I DRAWING A BLANK? 11:00 AM TO 6:00 PM I THINK THERE'S LIKE TWO SEPARATE PEAK TIMES. 
          11 TO ONE MAYBE, AND THEN LIKE THREE TO SIX. 
          YEAH, I FORGOT DRAWING A BLANK. 
          THE SECOND VEHICLE, I THINK WE ADDED THOUGH, FROM 11:00 AM TO 6:00 PM BASED ON DEMAND, MORE OR LESS. 
          AND SO THREE MONTHS IN, WE ADDED THAT SECOND VEHICLE, BUT IT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          AND WE EVEN EXPANDED THE SERVICE HOURS ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY BEYOND WHAT WE TYPICALLY RUN. 
          RECOGNIZING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE SERVICE POTENTIALLY TO GO DOWNTOWN FOR LIKE THE DINNER CROWD AND BE ABLE TO TAKE IT BACK HOME AND HAVE A SAFE OPTION. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE GREAT FRUITS OF THE LABOR HERE. 
          FOR ALL THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID, WE GOT SEVERAL INSTANCES OF, UH, PRESS COVERAGE. 
          THE ARGUS HAD A FEW, UM, ARTICLES IN THERE. 
          THE PATCH COVERED A FEW DIFFERENT ONES WE ATTENDED, LIKE I WAS MENTIONING, OVER A DOZEN OR SO DIFFERENT EVENTS. 
          YOU CAN SEE SOME PHOTOS THERE FROM OUR WORK WITH BLUE ZONES WHO ARE GREAT IN HELPING TO PARTNER ON THIS AS WELL. 
          AND OVERALL IT RECEIVED A REALLY POSITIVE, UH, RECEPTION FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO DIVING A BIT MORE INTO SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE AND THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS FROM THE BAR CHARTS, THAT REALLY EMPHASIZES THE INCREASE THAT WE'VE SEEN PRETTY MUCH RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          GOING FROM OCTOBER TO JANUARY, YOU HAD A 40% INCREASE, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 
          IN JULY, WE'VE HAD A HUNDRED RIDERS PER DAY ON AVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE SERVICE, WE'VE HAD 23,500 PLUS COMPLETE RIDES. 
          THE INITIAL GOAL, WHEN WE SET IT UP, WE KIND OF HAD A TIME GOAL OF 15 MINUTES, AND THAT'S 15 MINUTES MAX PICKUP TIME, 15 MINUTES MAX TIME ON THE VEHICLE BEFORE YOU GET DROPPED OFF. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT WE'RE 
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IT'S 17 MINUTES CURRENTLY. 
          UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 80 OR 85% OF THE TRIPS SUCCESSFULLY. 
          SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE WHEN THEY BOOK A TRIP, OH, THEY MAY CANCEL IT, LIKE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND. 
          UH, THEY CAN'T DO IT AT THE TIME THEY WANTED, OR SOMETIMES THERE CAN BE CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT GOAL AS WELL. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN AT 86% OF TRIPS SUCCESSFULLY PROVIDED. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING OF COURSE WHERE YOU CAN ALWAYS WANNA STRIKE A BALANCE, YOU COULD ACHIEVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE OUT THERE ON THE ROAD AND WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO FULFILL THAT METRIC. 
          OVER 3,500 OF THE TRIPS HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN ONE RIDE. 
          SO YOU WANNA LOOK AT BOTH HOW MANY RIDES TOTAL AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE THAN ONE RIDE. 
          SO THAT MEANS 3,500 PEOPLE ARE SOMEWHAT REGULAR RIDERS, YOU COULD SAY, OF THE SERVICE. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST INDICATIVE PIECES THAT'S REALLY BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS IS THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SIDE. 
          YOU OF COURSE CAN RATE YOUR SERVICE AFTER YOU TAKE A TRIP IN THE APP, AND WE'VE RECEIVED A 4.9 OUT OF FIVE, SO BASICALLY A FIVE STAR RATING FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN USING THE SERVICE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE METRICS HERE THAT HIGHLIGHT KIND OF THE REQUESTS AND THEN THE SUPPLY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE. 
          AND SO RIDE REQUESTS, THEY STARTED OFF IN, UH, THE FIRST QUARTER OF 24 AT 10,000, AND THEN IN, UM, Q2 25, THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 17 AND A HALF COMPLETED. 
          RIDES HAVE GONE UP, UH, CONSIDERABLY. 
          AND THEN THE PRODUCTIVITY PER BOARDINGS PER HOUR OR PRODUCTIVITY HAS GONE UP. 
          IT STARTED AT 4.7 BOARDINGS PER HOUR AND IT'S AT CURRENTLY 6.2 BOARDINGS PER HOUR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY GOOD ON THIS TYPE OF SERVICE. 
          UM, THE SOFTWARE PROVIDER VIA WHO'S PROVIDING THE APP AND THE BACKEND SOFTWARE SAID IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHEST SUCH SERVICES THEY'VE SEEN PRODUCTIVITY WISE, UH, BOARDINGS PER HOUR. 
          SO WE ALSO WERE HAPPY WITH THAT GOAL. 
          INITIALLY, WE WERE HOPING TO ACHIEVE ABOUT FIVE BOARDINGS PER HOUR, SO THAT'S BEEN A SUCCESS FOR US AS WELL. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE ASK, UH, TO SEE IS WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING? AND WE HAVE A GREAT HEAT MAP HERE AND WE'RE UH, GONNA POST IT ONLINE TOO FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WITH LIKE AN INTERACTIVE ONE IN MORE DEPTH. 
          BUT THE BIGGER THE DOTS AND THE DARKER THE DOTS MEAN MORE TRIPS. 
          SO WE WENT THROUGH AND WE ADDED THE DESTINATIONS HERE TO MAKE IT A BIT MORE EASY TO KIND OF, UH, COMPREHEND WHAT IT'S RELAYING. 
          BUT SOME OF THE ONES WORTH NOTING, OF COURSE, DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL IS THE BIGGEST DESTINATION AND THERE ARE SEVERAL POINTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY THAT GET A LOT OF TRIPS. 
          UH, SOME OF THE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY HIGH DEMAND. 
          PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL, YOU CAN GET FAIRLY CLOSE TO PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH ON THE SERVICE. 
          MCDOWELL ELEMENTARY, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE SERVED BY THIS. 
          UH, LUCKY'S ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD HAS BEEN ONE LIBRARY FAIRGROUNDS TARGET THAT AREA IN MIDTOWN. 
          AND THEN THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER HAS BEEN ANOTHER ONE AS WELL. 
          AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, UH, NUMBER OF TRIPS INDICATED BY THE DOT WITH A LITTLE METER THERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE QUANTITATIVE SIDE, BUT THE QUALITATIVE SIDE. 
          UM, GETTING BACK TO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SIDE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE. 
          FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD. 
          THE MAIN COMPLAINT THAT WE GET IS PEOPLE WANT THE SERVICE AND CAN'T GET IT, OR THEY'RE TRYING TO BOOK IT DURING BUSY TIMES AND IT'S FULL AND THEY CAN'T GET A TRIP. 
          GENERALLY WHEN PEOPLE DO GET THE SERVICE, THEY'VE BEEN FAIRLY SATISFIED WITH IT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL OF SHOWING THEM THE TYPE OF SERVICE WE PROVIDE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE COMMENTS WHERE THEY EVEN KNOW THEIR DRIVER BY NAME AND THEY'RE REFERENCING THEM WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING FEEDBACK THROUGH THE APP. 
          THERE WERE SEVERAL TWEAKS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE, ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING AND STILL WE'RE DOING FINE TUNING ON A WEEKLY BASIS. 
          UM, SOME OF THE FINE TUNING OR THINGS LIKE FIGURING OUT STREETS WHERE THE VEHICLE SHOULDN'T OPERATE, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T LET PEOPLE KNOW PROSPECTS OFF OF THE BOULEVARD. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE STEEPEST ROADS IN TOWN, GENERALLY, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA WALK UP THAT DRIVE UP THAT WITH ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE, LET ALONE A VEHICLE LIKE THIS. 
          SO WE CAN BLOCK OFF CERTAIN STREETS LIKE THAT OR WATER STREETS THAT DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE VEHICLE TO GO DOWN OR WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT EASILY. 
          SO WE DID SOME TWEAKS WITH THAT. 
          WE MODIFIED SOME OF THE PICKUP ZONES WITH PLACES THAT ARE MORE WIDE OPEN. 
          GENERALLY YOU HAVE MORE CUSTOMIZABILITY WITH GOING CURB TO CURB, BUT FOR SOME THINGS LIKE DOWNTOWN, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO STOP IN FRONT OF EVERY BUSINESS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO SET CERTAIN PICKUP POINTS. 
          LIKE AMY'S KITCHEN IS ONE OF THE ONES DOWNTOWN IN FRONT OF THE, UM, ICE CREAM SHOP. 
          I FORGET THE NAME ON THE, UM, BOULEVARD IS ANOTHER ONE. 
          BUT WE 
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HAD TO DO A FEW TWEAKS TO THOSE KIND OF THINGS AS WELL TO GET IT DIALED IN. 
          EDUCATION WAS A BIG ONE AND IT'S EDUCATION ALL AROUND. 
          IT'S OF COURSE EDUCATION OF THE RIDERS AND TELLING THEM WHAT THE WEBSITE IS, WHAT THE APP IS AND HOW THEY USE IT. 
          IT'S WORKING WITH DRIVERS AND DISPATCHERS BECAUSE IT'S A NEW SYSTEM FOR THEM. 
          SO EXPLAINING TO THEM HOW IT WORKS AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA INTERACT WITH THE, UH, RIDERS. 
          AND OVERALL, IT'S BEEN HIGHLY POPULAR FROM INCEPTION AND WE'VE HAD A BROAD DEMOGRAPHIC OF RIDERS. 
          WE DON'T YET HAVE A QUANTITATIVE SURVEY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. 
          SO WE CAN SAY MORE DEFINITIVELY WHAT PERCENT OF RIDERS ARE X AGE, WHAT PERCENT ARE VARIOUS INCOME BRACKETS? SO THUS FAR IT'S ANECDOTAL FROM DRIVERS, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET MORE QUANTITATIVE SHORTLY. 
          SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE COSTS, AS KAMI ALLUDED TO IN HER LAST PRESENTATION, SOME OF THEM WERE STARTUP ONE TIME COSTS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED THERE. 
          AND THEN OTHERS WOULD BE ONES THAT CONTINUE AS THE SERVICE CONTINUES. 
          AND SO THE MOST NOTABLE ONE WAS OPERATIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S WORTH NOTING FOR ABOUT, UM, THE FIRST THREE MONTHS, THAT WAS ONE VEHICLE AT ALL TIMES BECOMING TWO. 
          IN MONTH FOUR AT PEAK TIMES. 
          WE HAD THE VIA SOFTWARE. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS ONE TIME STARTUP COSTS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, THAT WILL BE 18,000. 
          WE HAD FUEL THAT SHOULD GENERALLY BE FAIRLY CONSISTENT, UH, MAINTENANCE. 
          BUT OVERALL YOU CAN SEE THE COST FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          AND FY 25 WAS A LITTLE OVER 330,000 MOVING INTO FY 26. 
          SOME OF THOSE COSTS GO AWAY LIKE THE ONE-TIME STARTUP COSTS, BUT THEN SOME OF THEM SHIFT LIKE THE OPERATIONS. 
          SO THIS NUMBER SLIGHTLY HIGHER DUE TO THE INCREASE OPERATING COST PER YEAR WITH A CONTRACT WITH MB. 
          AND THEN THE FACT THAT THAT SECOND VEHICLE DURING PEAK TIMES WILL BE RUNNING FOR THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UH, THE VEHICLE COST DROPS, THE FUEL OR ELECTRICITY ONCE WE GET THE NEW EV CUTAWAY VEHICLES GOES UP SLIGHTLY SINCE WE'RE RUNNING THE SECOND VEHICLE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. 
          THAT'S ALSO AN ITEM. 
          ANECDOTALLY WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THE FUELING OR ELECTRIC CHARGES COMPARE WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES VERSUS THE GAS ONES STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. 
          AND THEN MAINTENANCE WILL HAVE SLIGHT INCREASES. 
          UM, THIS ASSUMES NO MAJOR CHANGES OR EXPANSION TO LUGO ZONES. 
          BASICALLY RUNNING IT AS STATUS QUO AS KIND OF, WE ARE RUNNING IT FOR THE END OF FY 25. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE A SUMMARY OF THE COST THERE. 
          332 IN YEAR ONE, YEAR 2, 390 7,000 IS THE ESTIMATES AGAIN WITH THE KIND OF ANNUAL COST INCREASES THAT WE SEE. 
          AND THEN RUNNING THAT SECOND VEHICLE PEAK TIME ALL YEAR. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE NEAR TERM, SO THERE'S SEVERAL UPCOMING IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE APP ITSELF. 
          AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS IN THE LUGO APP, THEY'RE ABLE TO TAP INTO OUR BUS FEED FOR OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM, OUR GTFS FEED, AND IT'LL INCORPORATE THOSE KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING GOOGLE TRIP PLANNER OR EVEN THINGS LIKE UBER THESE DAYS WILL OFTEN HAVE TRANSIT INTEGRATED. 
          THIS IS SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          SO IT'LL NOW TIE INTO THE PETALUMA TRANSIT FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM AND OFFER THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          SO YOU CAN COMPARE THE TIMES OR IF YOUR TRIP ISNT AVAILABLE ON LUGO DUE TO CAPACITY, YOU CAN SEE THAT AS AN OPTION AVAILABLE THROUGH THIS APP. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT, UH, BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          WE ESTIMATE DECEMBER, 2025 FOR THE TIMING OF THAT. 
          THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN KIND OF IMPLEMENT THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING WITH THE MULTIMODAL MODEL THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS CHART. 
          ANOTHER ONE THAT CAMMI ALSO TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY IS WHAT'S CALLED CO-MINGLING. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE SHARING THE VEHICLE THAT ARE BOTH LUMA GO RIDERS AND PARATRANSIT RIDERS. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, BUT WITHIN THE LUGO ZONE, WHEN THERE'S OVERLAP OF THE TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE LUGO VEHICLES OUT THERE OPERATING AND SOMEONE HAS A PARA TRANSIT TRIP AND THE LUGO VEHICLE WAS ALREADY GOING WITHIN THE GENERAL VICINITY, THIS VEHICLE WOULD BE ABLE TO NOW PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR THEM. 
          SO THERE'S HOPEFULLY SOME COST EFFICIENCY. 
          UM, WE ESTIMATE MAYBE 10,000 OR SO A YEAR, BUT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. 
          AND THEN KIND OF A CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPROVEMENT ASPECTS WE ANTICIPATE AS WELL. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SAMPLES THERE. 
          OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND SOME OF THE IMPACTS THAT THEY'VE SEEN, SOME HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN EFFICIENCY LIKE THE SIOUX AREA METRO. 
          SOME HAVE SEEN INCREASES IN ON-TIME PERFORMANCE. 
          UH, SOME HAVE SEEN COST REDUCTIONS LIKE IN GREEN BAY METRO. 
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SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA, YOU CAN SEE THE CHALLENGE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO ADDRESS. 
          THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SERVICE POSSIBLE. 
          AND I CAN'T SAY WE'RE GONNA SAVE AS MUCH AS THEY DID, THAT WOULD BE SPECTACULAR, BUT THAT'S A BIT UNLIKELY. 
          BUT THEY WERE SAVING 700,000 PER YEAR THROUGH DOING THIS CO-MINGLING. 
          UM, OF COURSE IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT IN THEIR CASE, THE COST OF THE SERVICE. 
          YOU CAN SEE PARATRANSIT IS ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE TRIP FOR US TO PROVIDE. 
          AND THEN CONSIDERABLY LOWER IS MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE AND THEN LOWER BEYOND THAT IS FIXED ROUTE. 
          BUT THERE'S SORT OF A HIERARCHY THERE WITH SOME SERVICES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO PROVIDE THAN OTHERS. 
          SO GENERALLY THE MORE YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT DEMAND WITH THE LESS EXPENSIVE SERVICE, THE BETTER. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA INTEGRATE THE FIXED DROUGHT PETALUMA TRANSIT INFORMATION INTO THE APP. 
          OUR NEW ELECTRIC CUTAWAYS WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THOSE ON THE ROAD, UM, IN DECEMBER THIS YEAR. 
          SO THOSE WILL BE MOVING FAIRLY QUICK. 
          THE CO-MINGLING, WE'RE HOPING TO SAVE IDEALLY ABOUT 10,000 A YEAR FROM THAT. 
          AND THEN CONTINUED ONGOING MARKETING OUTREACH, COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          SO FOR THE NEXT STEPS, THE FUTURE OF THE SERVICE. 
          SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS ON THE LUMA GO WEBPAGE OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT WEBSITE, WE'VE HAD A FORM WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND REQUEST LUGO AND GIVE US COMMENTS. 
          AND THE FORUM HAS BEEN PRETTY HEAVILY USED, I THINK MORE SO THAN ANY OF US REALLY EXPECTED INITIALLY. 
          EVEN TO THIS DAY. 
          WE GET MULTIPLE REQUESTS A DAY COMING IN THROUGH THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA SEE LUMA GO. 
          SO THE DEMAND FOR THE SERVICE, I THINK WE CAN CLEARLY SAY IS THERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT SERVICES ZONE HIGHLIGHTED IN GOLD, BUT WE ALSO MADE A HEAT MAP THERE TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THAT ZONE HAVE REQUESTED IT. 
          AND SO WHERE YOU SEE MORE DOTS IS MORE COMMENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU SEE DARKER COLOR DOTS, MOST NOTABLY THE BLACK DOTS THAT NOTE THE MAIN DESTINATION, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF COMMENTS REQUESTING SERVICE WE'RE FOCUSED ON. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY WON'T BE A SURPRISE TO PEOPLE, BUT THINGS LIKE THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION, SRJC CAMPUS, BOTH THE STUDENTS AND THE CAMPUS ITSELF HAVE EXPRESSED A LOT OF INTEREST IN SEEING LUMA GO EXPAND TO THEIR CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL KAISER, UM, ON LAKEVILLE AND THEN EVEN CORY HEIGHTS, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD. 
          JUST BEFORE THE YEAR ROUNDABOUT. 
          AS YOU'RE HEADING EAST, THE MAIN PRIMARY REQUEST THAT WE'VE SEEN IS GOING DOWNTOWN. 
          SO ANYTIME WE TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE CURRENT ZONE OR EXPANSION, THE MOST COMMON THING THEY SAY IS, I WANT TO GO FROM X TO DOWNTOWN. 
          I WANT TO GO FROM MY HOUSE MIDTOWN DOWNTOWN. 
          I WANT TO GO FROM EAST PETALUMA DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMON REFRAINS THAT WE HEAR. 
          WE ALSO HEAR PEOPLE WANTING, OF COURSE, MORE VEHICLES SO THAT THERE'S A GREATER CHANCE THAT THE TRIPLE ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND THEN EXPANDED, UH, HOURS LATER INTO THE NIGHT, BOTH WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE QUALITATIVE COMMENTS HERE AND REALLY THE IMPACT THAT THE SERVICE HAS HAD ON PEOPLE THAT CAN USE IT AND THE IMPACT IT CAN HAVE ON PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BUT WANNA BE ABLE TO USE IT. 
          A LOT OF THE PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE ANY TRANSIT OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM RIGHT NOW, SOME OF WHICH MAY USE OTHER SERVICES LIKE UH, PARATRANSIT, SOME OF WHICH MAY NOT. 
          BUT OVERALL WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHO AREN'T ABLE TO CURRENTLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICE, BUT WOULD LOVE TO DO SO IF IT WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM. 
          SO WE LAID OUT A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF WHAT THE FUTURE OF LUGO LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND OF COURSE THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION THAT WILL CONTINUE AT, UH, COUNCIL IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO. 
          BUT THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM. 
          ONE OF THEM IS BASICALLY STATUS QUO. 
          IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT SERVICE WITHOUT ANY EXPANSION TO THE ZONE OR ADDING NEW ZONES, IT'S 400,000 PER YEAR PLUS COST INFLATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU WANNA ASSUME, SAY 5% A YEAR OR SO GOING FORWARD. 
          AND IT'S PRIMARILY PAID FOR WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN FROM COMMITTEE'S PRESENTATION, SO T-D-A-S-T-A AND THEN A SMALL PORTION FROM A-S-C-T-C, A TRANSIT EXPANSION GRANTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, THAT STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. 
          THOSE ARE WHAT ARE FUNDING IT AND WOULD CONTINUE TO FUND IT. 
          EXPANSION. 
          UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UH, AS YOU SAW FROM THE PRESENTATION, FUNDING IS FAIRLY HARD TO COME BY FOR THE EXISTING SERVICE IF YOU EXPAND THE SERVICE. 
          THAT'S AN ADDED COST ON TOP OF THAT. 
          GENERALLY, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO ANOTHER ZONE THAT REQUIRED THE SAME AMOUNT OF VEHICLES, 
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THAT WOULD COST ABOUT 300 TO 350 K PER YEAR. 
          SOME COSTS DON'T REALLY GO UP OR GO UP NOMINALLY LIKE THE SOFTWARE COSTS, THE BIGGEST ONE BEING THE OPERATING COST FOR THE DRIVER AND FOR THE FUEL. 
          SO IF YOU ADDED A SECOND ZONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAD THE SAME HOURS WITH ONE VEHICLE ALL TIME, TWO PEAK TIMES, THAT WOULD MAYBE COST YOU ABOUT 350,000 OR SO A YEAR. 
          IN ADDITIONAL, THERE'S A FEW HYBRID OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YOU COULD CHARGE FAIRES FOR THE SERVICE. 
          OF COURSE OUR FAIR BEFORE WE STOPPED COLLECTING IT FOR A REGULAR FAIR WAS A DOLLAR 50, BUT YOU COULD GO HIGHER. 
          WE LOOKED AS HIGH AS $5 $6. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S ANY AMOUNT THAT WOULD REASONABLY COVER THE FULL COST OF THE SERVICE . 
          YOU'D BE GETTING UPWARDS OF, I DON'T KNOW, 30 $50 TO THE POINT WHERE NO ONE WOULD REASONABLY WANNA RIDE THE SERVICE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS ON IT, IS THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF THIS. 
          UM, OF COURSE IT IMPACTS PEOPLE ANYTIME YOU'RE GOING FROM NO FAIR TO HAVING A FAIR, BUT THAT ALSO BRINGS IN REVENUE TO HELP OPERATE IT. 
          SO VERY MUCH TRADE OFFS WITH THAT CONSIDERATION AND MORE THINKING BROADLY ABOUT THE SERVICE AND WHAT IT DOES, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET INTO THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN DISCUSSION PROCESS. 
          ARE THERE OTHER THINGS LUMA AGO COULD PERHAPS DO MORE EFFICIENTLY THROUGHOUT THE SERVICE? WHAT A LOT OF PLACES HAVE DONE IS WHEN THEY HAVE OUR HEADWAY FIXED DROUGHT SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING LIKE MICRO TRANSIT MAY BE A GOOD FIT TO WHERE GENERALLY IF IT'S FIXED DROUGHT THAT RUNS OFTEN EVERY 15 MINUTES, THAT WOULD BE PEOPLE'S PREFERRED SERVICE. 
          BUT WE ALL KNOW IT CAN BE HARD TO USE A HOUR HEADWAY, FIXED ROUTE SERVICE. 
          UM, SO PERHAPS SOMETHING THERE AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPTION OF JUST NOT CONTINUING THE SERVICE AND ENDING IT ALL TOGETHER AND REALLOCATING RESOURCES ELSEWHERE. 
          THEN PET LIMIT TRANSIT. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SUMMARY THERE OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT FAIR LEVELS, AGAIN, ONLY GOING UP TO TWO 50 R FOR THE SERVICE. 
          THAT HELPS OFFSET SOME OF THE COST BUT NOT THE ENTIRETY OF IT. 
          TDA FUNDS, AS WE'VE HEARD, HAVE BEEN DECREASING 36% IN FY 24, 6 0.3% IN FY 25 ARE TRANSIT EXPANSION GRANTS. 
          IT'S HELPING TO FUND THE ROUTE TWO AND 11 SERVICE EXPANSION AND A PORTION OF LUGO, BUT THAT ALSO IS SHORTLIVED, THAT'S ALSO A THREE YEAR GRANTS. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE MENTIONED, THAT ZONE EXPANSION THAT WE DID, A SECOND ONE WAS ABOUT 350,000 OR SO. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR OUR FIRST DISCUSSION WITH TAC. 
          WE'LL BE GOING BEFORE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 20TH AND THAT WILL BE A PRESENTATION WITH THEM. 
          WE THINK THAT THERE MAY BE A WORKSHOP THAT FOLLOWS, UH, FROM THAT, BUT THAT'LL BE THE INITIAL DISCUSSION TO HEAR THEIR INPUT AND OF COURSE HEAR THE BROADER COMMUNITY, UM, LEADING INTO THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THE FY 27 BUDGET WE ANTICIPATE. 
          AND SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. 
          HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          WELL I STARTED ON THIS SIDE, SO I'M GONNA START ON THE OTHER SIDE THIS TIME, FRANK. 
          SURE, THANK YOU. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS COME TO MIND. 
          WELL, UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT CHARGING, ARE THERE CASH FREE? WOULD, WOULD ANY, UM, FARES THAT ARE INTRODUCED BE CASH FREE? IF YOU'RE USING AN APP? IS IT JUST CONNECT? ARE YOU REQUIRED TO HAVE A CREDIT CARD POTENTIALLY? I THINK THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          I THINK IT'S HARDER WHEN YOU GO FROM OUR SYSTEM BEFORE WHEN WE'RE ACCEPTING CASH TO DESKS, YOU KNOW, SAY WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING THAT, BUT WE'RE ACCEPTING LIKE CREDIT CARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK IF WE WANTED TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF COLLECTING FARES, WE COULD MAYBE SAY ON THIS SERVICE, NO CASH FARES, BUT YOU COULD PAY FOR IT WITH CLIPPER, FOR EXAMPLE, OR LIKE A MOBILE APP. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO WHERE YOU COULD MAYBE BRING IN THE FAIR REVENUE BUT HAVE LESS OF THE FAIR COLLECTION COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          BUT EVEN THAT OFTEN THAT'S AN EQUITY CONSIDERATION IS USUALLY CASH FAIRS ARE THE ONES UTILIZED BY THE MOST AT RISK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO EVEN HAVING ACCESS TO SMARTPHONES AND PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, TRIPS CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM ASIDE FROM CASH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, NOT, NOT TO STEAL PATTY'S THUNDER, BUT I KNOW EARLIER SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, OR SHE MADE MENTION OF WITH CHARGING FARES, THERE'S ADDED COST AND YOU MAY END UP, UM, HAVING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE COLLECTING $40,000 IN FAIR, YOU MAY SPEND ALMOST THAT JUST IN MANAGING THE, THE FAIR. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE SAVINGS THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WENT FAIR FREE, UM, WITH PRICING. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR A, UH, DYNAMIC COMPONENT? 
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AND WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING OR THINKING ABOUT IS A SCENARIO WHERE, UM, ROUTE, SO, SO I, SO I SEE WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S AN APPETITE ON, I'VE HEARD OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTION, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN APPETITE ON SOME TO EXPAND IT. 
          AND SO AS I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT AND I'M THINKING ABOUT PRICING, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DYNAMIC PRICING STRUCTURE WHERE, UM, MAYBE SOME ROUTES THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TAKING A BUNCH OF KIDS TO SCHOOL, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE COLLECTING FARES. 
          OR IF YOU ARE, IF SOMEONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO UM, SAY GET DOWNTOWN FROM SOMEWHERE ON THE EAST SIDE, MAYBE IF YOU'RE TAKING THEM TO THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT STATION WHERE THEY CAN GET ON THE CROSSTOWN BUS AND TAKE THAT INTO DOWNTOWN, THAT'S FAIR FREE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE, BUT IF THE RIDE IS ALL THE WAY INTO DOWNTOWN, THAT COMES WITH A FAIR, UM, I REALIZE THAT THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL MEANT TO BE STRUCTURED IN A QUESTION. 
          UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF LIKE ANY OF THAT KIND OF DYNAMIC CONSIDERATION IS, IS IS POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER? IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOTHING WE'VE HAD A HUGE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION ON PREVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT BY TIME OF DAY IS ONE OF THINGS SOME AGENCIES DO. 
          YOU COULD HAVE THINGS LIKE FAIR ZONES, THAT'S USUALLY BIGGER AGENCIES LIKE, UH, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT THAT ARE INNER CITY ONES. 
          I THINK YOU CAN DO THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK IT'S OFTEN A TRADE OFF OF THE COMPLEXITY MM-HMM  AND THE EASE OF UNDERSTANDING THE SYSTEM FOR THE RIDER. 
          GENERALLY, I WOULD SAY FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE GUIDANCE WE'VE RECEIVED IS GOING MORE TOWARDS THE FAIR FREE TYPE SYSTEM THAN IMPLEMENTING MORE OF A DYNAMIC FAIR TYPE SYSTEM. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD VERY MUCH DO AND LOOK INTO. 
          ONE THING WORTH NOTING FOR FAIR COLLECTIONS THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE TIMES WHEN WE CALCULATED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, WE ESTIMATED WE SPEND ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR TO COLLECT THE FAIR REVENUE. 
          UH, KAMI, DO YOU RECALL WHAT OUR FAIR REVENUE WAS THE LAST YEAR WE COULD COLLECTED NOT, SORRY, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT WHILE SHE'S LOOKING THAT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH, TO SAY IT,  KIND OF TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S SOMEWHAT TRUE IN THIS CASE IS EVEN WHEN YOU COLLECT THE FARES, THERE ARE COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          BANK FEES, FAIR BOXES, WE ALREADY HAVE THE FAIR BOXES ON THE BUSES, THEY'RE COVERED, BUT IT'S NOT PURELY FREE JUST TO COLLECT FARES ON FIXED DROP ALONE IN, UH, FY 24, WE, UH, COLLECTED ABOUT 130,000. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, MY QUESTIONS AROUND FARES SHOULDN'T BE, UM, INTERPRETED AS A DESIRE TO IMPLEMENT FARES. 
          IT'S MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. 
          ONE OF THE GOALS OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO BRING PEOPLE INTO FIXED ROUTES AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, IF THE, IF, IF THERE WAS A FAIR COMPONENT DOWN THE ROAD, UM, NO PUN INTENDED, THAT IT WAS, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT TO MAYBE LEVERAGE THAT TO HELP, UM, USE THIS SYSTEM TO BRING PEOPLE TO FIX ROUTE AND HAVE THAT BE A MOTIVATOR. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT'S A THOUGHT. 
          YEAH, IF ONE SERVICE IS CHARGING A FAIR AND ONE'S FREE, THEN YEAH, WITH THE ELASTICITY THEN THAT WOULD NATURALLY YOU THINK PUSH PEOPLE TOWARDS THE FREE SERVICE. 
          THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS FRANK PATTY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND UM, YOU KNOW, I SPENT SOME TIME WITH IT , UH, AND UM, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FARES ON ONE SERVICE AND NOT ON SERVICE ONCE ANOTHER SERVICE LEADS ME TO MY FIRST QUESTION, WHICH IS ABOUT STUDENTS USING LUMA GO AND ARE STUDENTS USING LUMA GO RATHER THAN THE FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE? SO WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ALL THAT KIND OF RIDERSHIP INFORMATION FROM LUMA GO, BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND LIKE TALKED TO THE DRIVERS, YES, WE DO HAVE A REALLY BIG POPULATION OF STUDENTS, ESPECIALLY, UM, PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL 
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ON THE HEAT MAP. 
          IF YOU GO BACK IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT IS ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR PICKUP AREAS. 
          SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT IS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TAKING THE SERVICE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          , I MEAN, ONE THING TO NOTE ON THERE FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF WHAT RIDERS DO YOU WANNA SERVE? DOES IT REALLY MATTER? IS A RIDER IS A RIDER? I KNOW WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT RIDE ON THERE THAT DON'T LIKE THE STUDENTS BEING ON THERE. 
          THEY SAY, WHY ARE THE STUDENTS ON THIS WHEN THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS? IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR NON-STUDENTS, BUT OF COURSE OPINIONS WILL KIND OF DIFFER ON THAT. 
          IT'S WORTH NOTING TOO OFTEN WHEN THE STUDENTS DO TAKE IT. 
          USUALLY THOSE ARE DENSER TRIPS WITH MULTIPLE ONES ON THERE. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO KIND OF A TRADE OFF IS MAYBE IT'S FIVE STUDENTS VERSUS ONE OR TWO INDIVIDUAL RIDERS ON THERE. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING ISSUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, STUDENT MISSES, BUS  FOR WHATEVER REASON,  AND THERE'S ALWAYS LUMA GO RIGHT TO, TO GET TO SCHOOL AND UH, WHEREAS BEFORE THAT STUDENT MIGHT HAVE MADE MORE OF A, LET'S SAY EFFORT TO ACTUALLY GET ON THE FIXED ROUTE BUS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS , BUT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE OPTIONS THEY CONSIDER THEIR OPTIONS. 
          UM, I ALSO WONDER HOW OFTEN UM, STUDENTS ARE TAKING LUMA GO TO GET TO CASA GRANDE, WHICH IS LESS WELL SERVED BY FIXED ROUTE. 
          UM, AND UM, ALSO TO ST VINCENT'S. 
          AND I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW ALL OF THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN, UH, . 
          SO CAA GRANDE IS NOT IN THE YEAH, THOSE TWO PARTICULAR SCHOOLS ARE NOT IN THE ZONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THOSE ONES WE CAN SAY A LOT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, OKAY, SO MAYBE THEY WOULD, MAYBE THIS IS A REASON TO HAVE TO EXPAND TO CAA GRANDE, AT LEAST AT FIRST. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I, I WANT THE EAST SIDE TO BE BETTER SERVED  AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK, BUT I ALSO WANT LUMA GO TO SURVIVE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PART OF MY NOT VERY WELL REWARDED QUESTIONS ABOUT GO SONOMA AND CAN'T WE JUST PRY SOME MORE MONEY? YEAH. 
          TO GO SONOMA. 
          UM, ALSO HAS ANYONE ASKED HEALTHY PETALUMA FOR ANY MONEY? UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY AND UM, THIS PARTICULARLY FOR FAIR FREE AND FOR STUDENTS, UH, MAYBE WORK UP, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD WANT TO HELP FUND CURRENT OPERAT OP UM, OPERATIONS OR HELP FUND EXPANSION OR SOMETHING BECAUSE UM, THEY'RE CALLED HEALTHY PETALUMA AND ALSO, UH, YOU NEVER KNOW THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED. 
          WE HAVEN'T YET, BUT WE'RE HAVE TO DO. 
          SO AGAIN, ANY ROCK WE CAN TURN OVER TO TRY TO GET FUNDING FROM ANY PARTNERSHIP WE CAN DO, WE'RE HAPPY TO. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM. 
          UM, SO THEN ALSO I NOTICED IN SEVERAL PARTS THERE WAS, UM, THIS MUCH FOR ADVERTISING OR PROMOTION, BUT THEN IN FUTURE THERE'S NO ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION. 
          BUT THEN IN ANOTHER SLIDE IT SAID ONGOING MARKETING, BUT I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE THE MARKETING BUDGET COMES. 
          IS IT DIFFERENT FROM ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION? IS MARKETING AND ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION DIFFERENT? BECAUSE IN, UH, LIKE SLIDE 16 OR 17 THAT SAID THAT THERE'S NO MONEY FOR ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION GOING FORWARD IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IS IT SO WELL KNOWN NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT? WELL WE DID A BIGGER PUSH WHEN IT WAS LAUNCHED AS KIND OF THE INITIAL PUSH TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND. 
          AND SO WE HAD A SWAG THAT WE WOULD HAVE, WE HAD BAGS, WE HAD UM, T-SHIRTS, WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH MOST OF THOSE ITEMS. SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AS LARGE AMOUNTS BUDGETED TO DO THOSE AS WE DID AT KICKOFF WITH THE HOPES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW KNOW ABOUT IT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT WE ARE DEFINITELY PLANNING TO KEEP DOING IS THE OUTREACH AND HAND OUT MATERIALS ON THE SERVICE. 
          IT'S MORE QUESTION IF WE DO THOSE TYPE OF SWAG THINGS THAT ARE THE MORE EXPENSIVE HANDOUT AT EVENTS. 
          THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO STOP NOW. 
          . 
          THANK YOU PATTY. 
          LESLIE, UH, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIXED LIKE A FIXED ROUTE VERSUS LUGO 
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PER, YOU KNOW, PER RIDER PER RIDE? UH, GIMME JUST A SECOND HERE. 
          I HAVE THE COSTS. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE COSTS, I CALCULATE IT FROM SEPTEMBER, 2024 TO JUNE, 2025, THE COST ON FIXED ROUTE PER RIDER. 
          AND THIS IS JUST PURE OPERATING COSTS, NOT INCLUDING LIKE OVERHEAD AND ADMIN 3.86 PER RIDER PARATRANSIT $10 50 CENTS PER RIDER OR NO LUGO $10 50 CENTS PARATRANSIT 26 35 FOR A SAKE COMPARISON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UH, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THAT NICE HEAT MAP OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, OR, OR THAT PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO. 
          ARE WE LOOKING AT WHETHER ANY OF THESE LUMA GO ROUTES CAN BE TRANSITIONED TO FIXED ROUTE? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT WITH OUR SRTP, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT HEAT MAP, A LOT OF THEM ARE ON WHAT MAY BE SOME EXISTING ROUTES LIKE THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR. 
          UM, IT'S A LOT OF THE MAJOR DESTINATIONS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SERVING. 
          BUT I THINK YEAH, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PATTERNS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TRANSITION TO A FIXED ROUTE. 
          UH, CARLY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN THAT COMES TO MIND? UM, NO ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UM, OUR HIGHEST RIDERSHIP IS ALREADY ON CORRIDORS THAT WE SERVE. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT HEAT MAP PUBLIC AND I CAN OVERLAY OUR ROUTES. 
          YOU CAN LIKE SEE BETTER UM, THOSE COMPARISONS AS WELL. 
          SO COULD YOU CLARIFY, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          I THOUGHT WE WERE NOT SERVING EXISTING ROUTES, WE DIDN'T WANNA CANNIBALIZE FROM THE EXISTING ROUTE. 
          SO WHY ARE OUR MOST POPULAR DESTINATIONS, DESTINATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY SERVED BY THE FIXED ROUTE? THAT WAS SOMEWHAT THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE CAME UP UP WITH WORKING WITH AD HOC. 
          WE WANTED TO GET NEW RIDERS IN THE FOLD SO IT SERVES SOME AREAS BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE SURVEY, THE MAIN AREAS THEY WANT TO GO. 
          I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY THE FIXED ROUTE IS DESIGNED AND ALREADY SERVES THOSE AND PEOPLE WANNA DISSERVICE TO GO THERE. 
          IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SERVING THE MAJOR CORRIDORS, HAVING THE MAJOR DESTINATIONS. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS AGAIN, WE WANT TO GROW THE WHOLE UMBRELLA AND NOT COMPETE. 
          BUT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE PEOPLE DO WANT SIMILAR THINGS FROM THOSE, LIKE THEY WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY WITH LUGO, IF YOU ONLY SERVE THE AREAS THAT AREN'T SERVED AT ALL OF FIXED DROUGHT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME RIDERSHIP, WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE SAME SUCCESS, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS MORE OF A KIND OF ART FORM THAN THE SCIENCE IS WHAT AMOUNT THEY OVERLAP OR NOT TO PROVIDE MAX BENEFITS TO BOTH SERVICES. 
          SO IS THE IDEA WITH THE INTEGRATED APP WHERE WE ARE CONNECTING THE FIXED ROUTE WITH THE LUGO IS THAT THEY WOULD BE CONNECTED WITH THE FIXED ROUTE AND THEN SO THEY WOULDN'T BE TAKING LUGO THE WHOLE WAY THEY'D CONNECT TO THE FIXED ROUTE? YEAH, SO HOW THAT WILL WORK IS SAY YOU'RE LIKE IN THE APP AND YOU'RE MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT HERE AND YOU WANNA GO TO TARGET, UM, AND MAYBE THERE'S NO RIDE AVAILABLE, IT'S LIKE REALLY BUSY. 
          THE APP WILL ACTUALLY TELL YOU LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN'T TAKE LUGO BUT THERE'S A BUS THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE PETALUMA MARKET. 
          UM, ROUTE 11 IN 15 MINUTES AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO TARGET. 
          IT'LL BASICALLY GIVE YOU THOSE OPTIONS. 
          UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT BASED ON THE RIDERSHIP DATA WE'VE GOTTEN FROM LUGO, WE HAVE ADDED FREQUENCY TO THE SERVICE, THE ROUTE 11 AND ROUTE TWO BASED ON LIKE THE POPULARITY OF THE DESTINATIONS, UM, ON LUGO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND KIND OF BIGGER PICTURE PEOPLE DO THAT EXPERIENCE CARLY MENTIONED WHERE THEY TRY LUGO, SEE IT'S BUSY END UP TRYING SOMETHING LIKE ROUTE 11 AND IT GOES WELL MAYBE THAT INFLUENCES THEIR FUTURE BEHAVIOR AND THEY GET CONVERTED LONG TERM TO LIKE A ROUTE 11 RIDER. 
          THAT'S SOMEWHAT AN IDEAL SCENARIO. 
          COOL. 
          UM, AND SORRY, LET ME KNOW IF I'M ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS , BUT UM, FOR THE APP, I WAS WONDERING IS THERE ANY, UM, THOUGHTS ON BRINGING IN ALSO SMART AND LIKE TRYING TO DO AN INTEGRATED APP WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CONNECT FROM THE LUMA GO TO THE BUS OR FROM THE BUS TO SMART AND JUST LIKE COMPARING COSTS AND TIMES AND LIKE A FULL PICTURE WITHIN THE SINGLE APPLICATION? YEAH, IT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH SMART AND IT'S AN ONGOING ONE. 
          UM, THUS FAR THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF SERVICES THEY'RE PROVIDING. 
          THEY HAVE ONE IN SANTA ROSA THAT GOES FROM THE NEARBY SMART STATION TO THE SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER AT THE SOUTH END OF THE LINE TERMINUS THAT GOES FROM THE LARKSBURG STATION TO THE LARKSBURG FERRY SITE. 
          THOSE ARE A BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ARE A BIT MORE POINT TO POINT VERSUS WITHIN THE ZONE I WOULD SAY THERE'S SIMILARITIES THAT WE BOTH WANT TO PROVIDE THAT 
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SERVICE AND WE BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOAL OF MAXIMIZING KIND OF THE FIRST AND FINAL MILE TO SMART. 
          THAT'S ONE OF SEVERAL GOALS WE HAD WITH THE SERVICE. 
          UH, BUT THEY CAN BE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT CONCEPTUALLY YOU MAY ON ONE HAND WANT THE VEHICLE TO ALWAYS GET TO THE TRAIN FIVE MINUTES BEFORE IT GETS THERE SO YOU GET OFF AND GET THERE IN TIME AND THEN WAIT UNTIL THE TRAIN FIVE MINUTES AFTER IT ARRIVES. 
          YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, BUT THAT ALSO IS LIKE DOWNTIME ON THE SERVICE VERSUS IT COULD BE LIKE CIRCULATING THROUGHOUT THE ZONE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THEM. 
          WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF THE RIGHT APPROACH WITH THE SERVICE AND THE DESIGN THAT MEETS KIND OF THE GOALS OF BOTH AGENCIES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT ALL OF THE, THE ADVERTISING AND MARKETING THAT HAPPENED FOR LUMA GO, I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY PLAN TO DO THAT KIND OF LIKE MARKETING FOR OUR FIXED ROUTE? UH, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE THE, THE NEW ELECTRIC BUSES, I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FIXED ROUTE AND BUSES KIND OF, THERE'S A STIGMA SURROUNDING THAT FORM OF TRANSPORTATION AND I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE LIKE A MARKETING PUSH FOR THE FIXED ROUTE AND HOW GREAT IT IS. 
           YEAH, WE AGREE, WE FEEL THAT'S A SERVICE THAT SHOULD GET THE SAME PUSH, UH, ACCORDINGLY OF COURSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE BACKBONE SERVICE, BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DID THINGS LIKE INCREASE TO 15 MINUTE FREQUENCY ON ROUTES TO AN 11, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU REALLY WANT TO CHAMPION. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ON THE WORK PLAN TO DO THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEARS. 
          DO THAT KIND OF PROMOTION ON THE FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY ON THOSE TWO ROUTES THAT WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ALSO AWARE OF THOSE BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE THOSE ROUTES GO OR THAT THE FREQUENCY HAS BEEN INCREASED. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE GET THE SAME ATTENTION AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AWESOME. 
          UM, OKAY, LAST QUESTION IS, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE AVERAGE DENSITY OF RIDES ARE. 
          LIKE HOW MANY RIDERS PER RIDE? UM, FOR LUGO? FOR LUGO? YEAH. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS IN THE SLIDE SIX POINT SOMETHING. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS LIKE 86% OF RIDES OCCURRED ON SHARED TRIPS. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT JUST LIKE TWO PEOPLE OR IS THAT LIKE 10 PEOPLE? YES, I BELIEVE THE AVERAGE PRODUCTIVITY, WHICH IS BOARDINGS PER HOUR IS SIX POINT. 
          YEAH, BOARDINGS PER HOUR, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A SHARED. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT STAT YOU HAD A WEEK OR SO AGO. 
          CARLY, THE PERCENT OF TRIPS THAT ARE SHARED FOR SINGLE, DO YOU RECALL THAT? LIKE 86? YEAH, SO THAT'S 86. 
          THEY'RE ASKING UM, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ON LIKE ONE RIDE I GUESS. 
          I THINK OH, THE AVERAGE LOAD PER, YEAH, THE AVERAGE LOAD. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY I CAN LOOK REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A STAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US THOUGH. 
          WELL, PRODUCTIVITY WISE, I'LL SAY MAYBE THIS ANSWERS THE QUESTION SOMEWHAT. 
          LOOM AGO WAS 6.2 BOARDINGS PER HOUR FIXED ROUTES 13 TO 20. 
          SO WE COULD LOOK MORE SPECIFICALLY AT THE AVERAGE LOAD. 
          THERE'S KIND OF A COUPLE WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AVERAGE LOAD, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE VEHICLE AT ONE TIME ON AVERAGE MAX LOAD, HOW MANY AT THE FULLEST LOAD? UH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK MAYBE. 
          HOW ABOUT WE CIRCLE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES AND YOU KNOW, . 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          DAVE, FRED, I'VE GOT SOME. 
          YOU NORMALLY GO TO THE END. 
          YOU WANT ME TO GO DOWN? NO, NO, LESLIE WENT AND THEN I'M JUST GOING DOWN. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          I I UNLESS YOU WANNA GO. 
          NO, NO, I, I AM HAPPY TO GO. 
          YOU JUST SURPRISED ME. 
          I WASN'T QUITE THERE YET. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          I USUALLY WAIT TO GO LAST. 
          YEAH, YOU I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, WELL, I MEAN LUCKILY KEPT APOLOGIZING ABOUT ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND I'M GONNA GO WAY PAST WHAT SHE ASKS. 
          SO ADVANCE WARNING, UM, START WITH AN EASY ONE. 
          IF I WERE TO ASK WHERE LUMA GO FROM MY HOME, I KNOW IT WOULD TELL ME YOU'RE OUT OF AREA, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL ME, HEY, YOUR THREE MINUTE WALK FROM BEING IN AREA, IS THERE ANY WAY TO, TO GET THEM APT TO EVENTUALLY ALERT YOU TO THE SHORT WALK YOU COULD DO TO GET A RIDE? SO WE ASK HIM THIS QUESTION A WEEK AGO AND TELL ME, THIS SOUNDS CORRECT, CARLY, WE CAN CHANGE THE MESSAGE OF WHAT IT SAYS CURRENTLY. 
          UM, WHAT IT SAYS, IF YOU WERE TRY TO BOOK THAT TRIP, IT WOULD SAY YOUR PICKUP LOCATION IS OUTSIDE OF THE SERVICE ZONE, PLEASE CHOOSE ON MAP OR TYPE ANOTHER ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          OF COURSE YOU CAN MODIFY WHERE IT PICKS UP. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE EXACT LOCATION YOUR PHONE IS. 
          YOU CAN HAVE IT PICK YOU UP THE STREET OVER. 
          SO WE DRAG THE MAP, UM, SO YOU CAN CHANGE THAT SPECIFIC MESSAGE. 
          YOU CAN'T YET DO A CONDITIONAL MESSAGE, MEANING IF I'M 10 MILES OUT OF THE ZONE, IT GIVES YOU THAT MESSAGE, IDA SAID, BUT IF YOU'RE A HALF MILE FROM IT, IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          LIKE YOU'RE NOT IN IT, BUT WALK A HALF MILE INTO IT. 
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THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SAID THERE'S A POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE THEY COULD DO WITH IT. 
          THEY'VE HEARD REQUESTS, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T DO WHAT I WOULD CALL A CONDITIONAL KIND OF DENIAL MESSAGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, UH, PLEASE KEEP US ADVISED. 
          UH, NEXT THING, SOMETHING WE NEVER CLAIM CREDIT FOR AND WE REALLY SHOULD IS REDUCING PARKING. 
          ANYBODY WHO TAKES LUMA GO DOWNTOWN IS NOT THINK OF A PARKING SPACE, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT GIVEN WHAT OUR PARKING SITUATION IS DOWNTOWN. 
          I'LL SAY THAT BEFORE I SAY THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, WHICH IS WE SEEM TO CLAIM CLIMATE A LOT AND I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY THERE'S ANY CLIMATE BENEFIT TO LUMA GO MY MIND. 
          I MEAN, IF I WERE TO DRIVE THE WORST INTERNAL COMBUST COMBUSTION CAR I COULD, AND FOR THE RECORD I DON'T, I DRIVE AN EV BUT IF I HAD THE WORST CAR, ME DRIVING DOWNTOWN WOULD PROBABLY PUT OUT FEWER GREENHOUSE GASES THAN A FOUR TON CUTAWAY DIESEL DRIVING TO MY HOME, PICKING ME UP, TAKING ME DOWNTOWN, AND THEN GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE. 
          I I JUST, I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY, IF, IF THERE'S TRULY A CLIMATE BENEFIT THERE, IF THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT IT IS, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. 
          OH, YOU WANNA TRY? GO FOR IT. 
          OH, ONE QUICK. 
          UM, ON A VEHICLE TO VEHICLE BASIS, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK YOU COULD THINK BIG PICTURE, IF YOU WANT TO THINK OPTIMISTICALLY IS OVERALL THE LESS INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES YOU HAVE GOING DOWN, GOING DOWNTOWN, THE LESS PARKING YOU NEED, THE MORE YOU CAN FREE UP THAT SPACE TO BE USED TOWARDS OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PERHAPS MORE JOBS, MORE HOUSING, THAT IT CREATES A CHAIN EFFECT OF MAKING IT MORE CONDUCIVE TO TRANSIT. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF A LONG-TERM GOAL. 
          I MEAN, I, I'LL ABSOLUTELY GIVE YOU PARKING, BUT I I'M JUST FROM GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THAT OF TAILPIPE, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A LOSER. 
          SO, UM, THE 86% NUMBER, I, I REALLY HONED IN ON THAT ONE I READ BECAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT SAYS 86% OF RIDES ARE SHARED RIDES, WHICH IS A REALLY ODD WAY TO PHRASE IT. 
          I, I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA HEAR THAT IS 80, 86% PERCENT OF ALL RIDES ARE SHARED AND IT'S NOT REALLY SAYING THAT. 
          SO I I THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA RE MEAN IT, IT WORKS WELL FOR THE ARGUMENT FOR THE PRO LUMA GO ARGUMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S A BIT OF A MISLEADING STATISTIC. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN REWORD THAT TO MAKE IT MORE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. 
          JUST FOR, FOR THE RECORD. 
          AND, AND REALLY THAT GETS TO, GETS TO MY QUESTION, WHAT PERCENT OF RIDES ARE SHARED? AND, AND EVEN MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, BUILDING OFF OF THE, THE THING LESLIE WAS STARTING TO SAY, TAKING THE ENTIRE MILEAGE THAT ALUMA GO VEHICLE DRIVES, INCLUDING DEADHEADING, WHEN IT HAS NO PASSENGERS, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PASSENGER COUNT? UH, I'M HOPING IT'S AT LEAST ABOVE ONE. 
          EVEN THAT I THINK WOULD BE PRETTY UNFORTUNATE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO BRING THIS TO AN END HERE BEFORE I GO ON TOO LONG. 
          I HAD SOMEONE EMAIL ME RECENTLY WITH THE QUESTION OF WHAT IF WE WERE TO DO AWAY WITH FIXED DROUGHT ENTIRELY AND ENTIRELY AND COVER ALL OF PETALUMA WITH ALUMA GO SERVICE? HE CAME BACK ARGUING THAT IT WOULD BE A HUGE COST SAVING BECAUSE HE WAS ASSUMING THAT THE SMALLER VEHICLE THAT WOULD BE THE LUMA GO REPLACEMENT COULD BE AV WHEREAS PAYING FOR DRIVERS ON FIXED ROUTE DRIVES YOUR COST WAY UP. 
          MY RESPONSE IS, BUT YOU'RE PUTTING SO MANY VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THERE'S SO MUCH DEADHEADING YOU WOULD TIE UP THE TOWN IN CONGESTION AND IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK. 
          I JUST, I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE MORE AS A OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. 
          I KNOW YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY RESPOND TO THAT NOW , BUT THE QUESTION MAY COME UP AGAIN AND, AND BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO IT. 
          I WOULD SAY I THINK THAT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION FOR THE SRTP. 
          THAT'S A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUAL ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET INTO MODELING A BIT MORE. 
          BUT I THINK A GREAT QUESTION WHEN WE DIVE INTO THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T REALLY BE A QUESTION, BUT MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          I, I THINK THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME KNOW I'M PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SKEPTIC ABOUT LUMA GO JUST BECAUSE THE THING THAT THAT LESLIE RAISED ABOUT WHAT'S THE COST PER WRITER? I THINK LUMA GO IS NOT THE BEST USE OF PETALUMA TRANSITS DOLLARS. 
          I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CARRY MORE PEOPLE, WE CAN CARRY MORE OF THE RIDER WE SHOULD BE CARRYING WITH FIXED ROUTE. 
          HOWEVER, TURNING TOWARD OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, I WILL SAY, I ONLY PHRASE THAT POSITION AS REGARDING DOLLARS OWNED BY PETALUMA TRANSIT. 
          IF THE COUNCIL THINKS IT'S A REALLY GOOD SERVICE AND THEY WANT TO DO IT, I HAVE NO OPINION, GO FOR IT. 
          . 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? SURE. 
          GO. 
          GO FOR IT. 
          OVER A BEER  MAYBE. 
          UM, WELL DAVE, I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT BEFORE AND I'VE TAKEN THAT AND HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND, UM, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY, 
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UH, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD CHALLENGE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A GOOD THING. 
          UM, I I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A, IT'S MY MY OWN PERSONAL, UH, POINT OF VIEW IS THAT IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          I THINK, UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW PETALUMA, AS WE CONTINUE TO, UM, CREATE INFILL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, UM, WE, UM, WE, AND, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR DOWNTOWN ECONOMY, WE NEED TO BRING MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN ISN'T OUR ONLY ECONOMY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A THRIVING HEARTBEAT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, AND, AND I WANNA SEE MORE PEOPLE ENJOY IT. 
          AND SO I I, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A, IT DOES COST MORE, UH, BUT I, I SEE IT AS AN INVESTMENT TO BUILDING, YOU KNOW, GETTING US TO A POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE A ROBUST, UM, TRANSIT NETWORK THAT SUPPORTS OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK ABOUT PLACES MORE DENSE PLACES, UM, MORE DENSE CITIES LIKE NEW YORK CITY. 
          UM, PEOPLE IN NEW YORK WOULD NEVER THINK ABOUT. 
          I MEAN, TRANSIT IS WHAT PEOPLE KNOW MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SO EFFICIENT AND IT'S SO MUCH, UH, SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN, UM, TRYING TO OPERATE OR DRIVE A CAR. 
          AND, UM, NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE NEW YORK CITY AND NOT THAT WE'RE, I'M PROPOSING, BUT THAT'S A, THERE, THERE'S A TIPPING POINT AT SOME, AT SOME PLACE. 
          AND I JUST WANNA HELP US GET THERE BY GETTING MORE PEOPLE ON PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          I CONVERSATION WE SHOULD CONTINUE DURING THE SRTP. 
          I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO EFFICIENCY, LUMA, GO AND PARATRANSIT ULTIMATELY ARE NEVER GONNA BE PARTICULARLY EFFICIENT. 
          THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE THINK ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT AGAIN, SRTP CONVERSATION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, TOLERATING MY EXTENDED QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU DAVE, AND THANK YOU FRANK FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UM, FRED, I I JUST HAD A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE MARKETING, THE LUMA GO T-SHIRT, IT'S THE MOST COMFORTABLE T-SHIRT I HAD . 
          NOW THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. 
          IT'S ALSO GOT ITS PHONE NUMBER ON THE BACK. 
          I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED AT BANKS. 
          I GOT APPROACHED THE OTHER DAY, SOME LADY JUST STARTING TALKING, WELL, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM? AND I'M WONDERING WHO SHE TALKING TO. 
          I TURNED AROUND AND SHE'S TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE SHIRT. 
          SO I SAID, CALL THE NUMBER. 
          AND THEN SHE WENT BEYOND THAT. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD MARKETING PLOY AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GIVE 'EM AWAY, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT'S WHEN I WEAR THAT REGULARLY. 
          , I DON'T WEAR IT IN BED. 
          , WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT QUOTE DOWN. 
          BY THE WAY, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, WHAT'S AN ELECTRIC CUTAWAY VEHICLE? I KNOW EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS WHAT IT IS. 
          WHAT IS IT? SO THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT YOU SEE, WE CURRENTLY RUN ON PARATRANSIT OR LUGO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A CUTAWAY VEHICLE GENERALLY IN OUR CASE, IT'S LIKE A 24 FOOT VEHICLE. 
          THEY HAVE ALL BEEN GAS SO FAR, BUT THE NEW ONES WILL BE ELECTRIC. 
          THEY SEAT ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 12 PEOPLE AND TWO TO THREE WHEELCHAIRS. 
          DO THEY PROVIDE LIFTS FOR WHEELCHAIRS? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE LIFT IS DIFFERENT WITH A FIXED DROP BUS. 
          IT'S THE FRONT ONE THAT FLIPS OUT WITH THESE, IT'S MORE THE POP OUT ELEVATOR STYLE. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          THEN MY SUGGESTION, AND THIS IS FARFETCHED, BUT WE START CHARGING PEOPLE LIKE, UM, SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          WE, UM, MARKETS FOR BRINGING PEOPLE TO THEIR STORES. 
          UM, I HAVE A LIST HERE, INCLUDING, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS NOT ONE I WANT TO CHARGE, BUT WE SHOULD RESTAURANTS, KAISER THEATERS, SHOPPING CENTER MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING HELPED BY THE LUMI AGO, LET'S GET SOME MONEY BACK FROM THEM. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OWN DEPARTMENT TO DO THIS. 
          SO, I MEAN, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM I THINK APPRECIATE MORE, MORE PEOPLE COMING TO THEIR STORES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK LUMA GO GO DRIVES INTO MOST OF THE CENTERS OR SMALL SHOPPING OR PARKING LOTS, BUT THEY DO DROP A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF. 
          AND I KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE VERY INVOLVED TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU PUT PUT FORTH TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, , ANY THOUGHTS IN THIS? BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU, FRED. 
          SO I'M GONNA START OFF WITH A VERY HARD QUESTION. 
          CAN I GET A SHIRT? ? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE. 
          SO NOW I'M HERE, ALL THE RAVE AND I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING MY OWN . 
          I'M SURE LESLIE WOULD WANT ONE TOO. 
          , THE SHIRTS HAVE LIKE A FIXED DROP SHIRT. 
          . 
          OH, OKAY. 
          . 
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THE, THE SHIRTS ARE COMFORTABLE AND I DO WEAR MINE TO BED. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          . 
          I'M JUST SAY I'M MISSING OUT . 
          SO ALL JOKES ASIDE, UM, A LOT OF MY COMMENTS TODAY ARE, ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, I TAKE A LITTLE OF WHAT FRANK SAID. 
          I TAKE A LITTLE OF WHAT LESLIE AND FRED SAID, AND, AND, AND DAVE AND IT'S, IT'S BOTH FRUSTRATION, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS SERVICE AND FORGIVE ME IF A LOT OF THIS IS, IS INCOHERENT. 
          'CAUSE I REALLY COULDN'T THINK OF A SOLID QUESTION OR COMMENT TO FRAME IT AROUND. 
          BUT I, I DON'T LIVE WITHIN THE AREA, BUT I KNOW OFTENTIMES, UH, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK, BOY, LIKE I AM VERY CLOSE TO WALKING INTO IT, BUT ALSO DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO WALKING INTO IT BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE SEEING HERE IS HOW MUCH OF, OF AN ACTIVE HOTSPOT KAISER MEDICAL CENTER IS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A FIXED ROUTE THAT'S ON THERE. 
          IT'S ROUTE 24, IT'S ONE THAT I'VE KNOWN ALL MY LIFE. 
          BUT WHEN WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT FOR WEEKEND SERVICES OR EVEN ON, YOU KNOW, MORE FREQUENT SERVICE, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AT AT, YOU KNOW, AT, I THINK IT'S BETWEEN LIKE 10:00 AM TO THREE, THREE 2:00 PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT DROPS FROM EVERY HALF AN HOUR TO EVERY HOUR. 
          AND THEN ON WEEKENDS IT'S NOT EXISTENT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT EXPANDED. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE A FIXED ROUTE LIKE THAT BE UTILIZED A LITTLE BIT MORE, OR AT LEAST ASSESSED AS TO WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THESE POPULATIONS THAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EQUITY OF INCOME OR, OR DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE BAYWOOD ARMS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. 
          YOU HAVE LITTLE WOODS, YOU HAVE AZURE, YOU HAVE ALURA APARTMENTS, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT CROSS ON THAT CORRIDOR. 
          AND I COULD ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH OF, OF AN URGENCY OR NEED THAT FOLKS ARE GONNA WANT ON A FIXER OUT LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I LOOK AT IT FROM THE ANGLE OF LUMA GO WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT? IN PROXIMITY TO ALL THAT AND THINK, BOY, I'D LOVE LUMA GO TO EXPAND TO KAISER. 
          BUT AGAIN, FORGIVE ME IF ANY OF THIS IS INCOHERENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FALL WITH WANTING TO SEE EITHER OR. 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S A COST THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE AT A RATE THAT'S HIGHER THAN A FIXED ROUTE, THEN I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TO AN EXTENT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT ALSO EQUITABLE IN THAT SENSE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME ABILITY TO LOOK AT OUR FIXED ROUTES AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING. 
          UM, BUT ALSO JUST BEING A LITTLE MORE AWARE OF OUR EAST SIDE AS PATTY SAID, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON EAST SIDE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE MICRO TRANSIT, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE CAN EXPLORE ON THINGS THAT DO DEFINITELY NEED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          FORGOT I'M SHARING . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES. 
          BOY, IT'S LATE FOR THAT . 
          UM, OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES. 
          THE PACKET RIGHT THERE WEREN'T ANY MINUTES IN THE PACKET, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE WEREN'T IN THE PACKET REALLY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I MEAN, I WASN'T AT THE MEETING ANYWAY. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A DIGITAL COPY WITH ME RIGHT NOW, SO I'M NOT AWARE, BUT IF, IF YOU DIDN'T GET THEM, WE CAN ALWAYS POSTPONE TO NEXT MEETING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD POSTPONE THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          YEAH, WE'LL BRING 'EM BACK AND DO MEETINGS, MINUTES FOR THAT MEETING AND THIS MEETING AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, NO PROBLEM WITH POSTPONING, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          DRAFT MINUTES FOR THE EIGHT 19, UH, MEETING IS POSTED. 
          SO WITH THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, QUICK TEMPERATURE CHECK. 
          DO FOLKS FEEL OKAY IN, IN APPROVAL OF MINUTES TODAY OR SHOULD WE POSTPONE? THAT'S NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY, WELL IF I'M NOT, I'M NOT HEARING ANY OBJECTIONS, THEN AS THEY'RE PRESENTED WE'LL PASS THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR COMMITTEE 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
COMMENT. 
          UM, SINCE I STARTED WITH FRANK LAST TIME, I'LL, FRED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AT THE LAST TWO MINUTE MEETINGS. 
          UM, BUT VACATION TOOK ITS PLACE. 
          I HAD A GOOD TIME. 
          THANK YOU . 
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THANK YOU FRED , DAVE? YEAH, TWO THINGS REAL QUICKLY. 
          UH, THE PETALUMA URBAN CHAT WILL BE HOSTING THE BETTER PETALUMA FILM FESTIVAL A WEEK FROM TOMORROW THIS YEAR. 
          THERE ARE NO TRANSIT FILMS ON THE LIST, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TRANSIT ADJACENT TOPICS. 
          THERE ARE THREE WALKABILITY FILMS AND TWO PARKING FILMS. SO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED GO TO URBAN CHAT.ORG. 
          CHECK UNDER EVENTS AND TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE. 
          UH, ALSO ANYBODY WHO'S REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT TRANSIT, UH, WALKER AND ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE PREEMINENT TRANSIT FIRM IN THE COUNTRY, IS DOING A TWO DAY INTENSIVE TRANSIT STUDY PROGRAM, UH, CLASS, WHATEVER IN PORTLAND. 
          AND THE LAST TWO DAYS OF OCTOBER, IT'S $500. 
          I'M NOT EVEN THOUGH I'M GONNA BE IN PORTLAND, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT 'CAUSE I THINK I ALREADY KNOW A LOT OF WHAT THEY TELL ME. 
          BUT I LIKE THE WALKER FIRM. 
          ANYBODY WHO'S RELEASED SERIOUS ABOUT TRANSIT, AT LEAST CONSIDER IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS, DAVE. 
          LESLIE, NOTHING FROM ME. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, PATTY. 
          NOTHING. 
          THANKS, FRANK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I JUST WANT TO, UM, GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT, UM, TO OUR, UH, FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON PBAC AND BJORN GRUENBERG. 
          UM, WE GOT THE, UH, THE, THE LONG AWAITED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT AND WAS ADOPTED. 
          UH, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. 
          IT WAS A CULMINATION OF MORE THAN A, A FEW YEARS WORTH OF WORK. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO THAT TEAM FOR GETTING THAT DONE. 
          UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, SO, UM, IN MY LAST PAC MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, UM, THE MEETING TOOK A PAGE FROM THE CLIMATE COMMISSION'S PLAYBOOK, UH, WHERE THE AGENDA WAS REALLY SOLELY ALLOWING THE COMMITTEE TO BREAK OUT INTO THREE SEPARATE AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          UH, THOSE THREE AD HOC COMMITTEES ARE, UH, ONE PROMOTING BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY BUSINESSES, UH, STREET AND TRAIL DESIGN STANDARDS, AND CITY WAY FINDING. 
          UM, THERE IS ROOM ON THESE AD HOCS. 
          UM, IF, UH, IF, IF THOSE ARE TOPICS THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, UH, PLEASE REACH OUT AND I'M SURE THERE'S, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO JOIN IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THEN, UM, UM, JARED ALREADY MENTIONED CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE NEW CUTAWAY BUSES. 
          WE ALSO PURCHASED, UM, APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF A NEW ELECTRIC TRUCK FOR THE CITY FLEET. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, NOT TRANSIT RELATED, UM, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, A DIRECTION TOWARDS, UH, CLIMATE FRIENDLY, UM, VEHICLES FOR THE CITY. 
          AND THEN I JUST WANT TO GIVE A PLUG FOR RELIEF PETALUMA. 
          SO IF, IF YOU, UM, I, MY FAMILY WAS A BENEFICIARY OF A VALLEY OAK TREE BEING PLANTED IN OUR FRONT YARD LAST YEAR, THIS TIME LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND RELIEF PETALUMA HAS A PROGRAM WHERE THEY ARE, UM, REACHING OUT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND YOU CAN REQUEST A TREE TO BE PLANTED IN YOUR, IN YOUR YARD. 
          UM, SO IF YOU GO TO RELIEF PETALUMA, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, RELIEF PETALUMA, I'M SURE IT'S DOT ORG OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE, YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO, THEY ARE CURRENTLY ACTIVELY OUT CANVASSING, UM, UH, LEAVING FLYERS, UH, IN COMMUNITIES, UH, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REQUEST THESE. 
          AND SO THERE'S, I'M SURE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO GO OUT AND, AND, UH, UH, CANVAS, UM, COMMUNITIES, UM, TO, UH, TO PROMOTE THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, SO IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM AND WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FRANK. 
          UM, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS IT ISN'T TRANSIT RELATED, BUT IT IS HOUSING RELATED. 
          SO IN OUR BACKYARD ON, ON THIS THURSDAY FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN, UM, GENERATION HOUSING IS GONNA BE HAVING THEIR HOUSE PARTY AT CROOKED GOAT. 
          SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY MY BEST TO RUN OUT OF WORK AND GET TO THERE ON TIME. 
          AND, UH, HOPEFULLY I SEE YOU GUYS THERE. 
          AND I WILL ALSO ADD THAT FROM THE EMAIL THAT I GOT FROM THEM. 
          THE FIRST 25 GUESTS GET A FREE DRINK, SO, FRANK DAVE, THERE YOU GO. 
          . 
          . 
          THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEN WE CAN 
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MOVE ON TO OUR STAFF COMMENT. 
          SEE WE HAVE A TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JUST ONE THING I'LL HIGHLIGHT FROM THE REPORT IS OUR FACILITY ELECTRIFICATION. 
          WE HAD OUR KICKOFF MEETING A WEEK AGO FOR THAT. 
          THE 
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CONTRACTORS ON BOARD, MIKE BROWN ELECTRIC, OF COURSE, THAT WAS AWARDED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO BY COUNCIL. 
          THE GROUNDBREAKING IS ON OCTOBER 1ST. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT'S A TWO TO THREE MONTH PROJECT. 
          IDEALLY, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT ALL DONE BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, DECEMBER. 
          SO WE'LL KEEP YOU APPRISED AND HAVE SOME PHOTOS IN THE REPORT GOING FORWARD, BUT VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT PROJECT GETTING OFF THE GROUND. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WITH THAT, UM, I THINK WE ARE ADJOURNED NOW AT, UM, WHAT TIME IS IT? SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          THANK YOU.
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