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IN PROGRESS.THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US HERE ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23RD FOR OUR SIX O'CLOCK PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE'LL CALL TO ORDER AND I'LL HAVE THE CHAIR, OR EXCUSE ME, THE CLERK
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PLEASE TAKE ROLE.WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
WE'LL OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL ASK THE CLERK IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS.
AND DID WE RECEIVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED? NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
THEN WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND HEAD INTO OUR PRESENTATIONS, UH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT RIGHT UP AND HEAD ON OVER TO THE
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES, WHICH WE DO HAVE TWO UM, MINUTES TO APPROVE HERE.UM, AS A REMINDER FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, OR WHO WERE RATHER, UM, WE'VE GOT MINUTES SPANNING OUR BODY
SO WE, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, COMMISSIONERS COME AND GO.
SO THAT IS WHY WE HAD SORT OF SPLIT UP OUR MINUTES APPROVAL ON THE LAST ROUND AND BROUGHT OURSELVES BACK TONIGHT FOR APRIL 8TH, UM, IN THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FOLKS WHO ARE ACTUALLY AT THAT MEETING TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES
SO, UH, WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR APPROVING OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 8TH.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH AMENDMENTS? OKAY, SEEING THEN, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THOSE APRIL 8TH MINUTES AND THEN GOING ON TO OUR AUGUST 26TH MEETING.
ANY AMENDMENTS FOR THAT? OKAY, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THOSE AND MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA CLOSING MEETING ITEM TWO AND INTO THE THIRD
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ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WHICH IS WHY I ASSUME WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS IN THE HOUSE.UH, SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR US HERE, THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR CUP FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY WITH MAJOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE COMMUNICATIONS AND APPROVE A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, ALSO KNOWN AS SPAR FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PETALUMA PUBLIC PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY ON A GIVE OR TAKE, THREE AND A HALF ACRE PORTION OF THE CITY FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON STREET AND KENNELWORTH, UH, LOCATED AT 8 66 EAST WASHINGTON STREET.
I'LL SPARE YOU THESE, UH, APNS
SECTION 1 5 1 8 3 HAS BEEN PREPARED FINDING THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT DENSITIES BY THE EXISTING ZONING AND GENERAL PLAN FOR WHICH AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WAS CERTIFIED.
SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE ARE
GIVEN THAT THIS, AND I'M SURE THIS WILL BE COVERED IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR SOMETHING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS, THERE IS A, A PROCESS IN PLACE BY WHICH THE REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR THOSE PLANS AND WE'LL, OUR CITY COUNCIL AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION HAS GIVEN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO REVIEW THE PLANS, GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN THE FINAL DECISION WILL BE WITH CITY COUNCIL DOWN THE LINE.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, LIKE I SAID, MOVE ON INTO MEETING ITEM THREE, WHICH DOES REQUIRE OUR EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS DISCLOSURE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES? NOT SEEING ANY.
I WILL PASS IT ON OVER TO STAFF TO PRESENT.
WE'VE GOT MIKE JANUS SEC, OUR SENIOR PLANNER TO PRESENT.
THANK YOU CHAIR MOSES, AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A SENIOR PLANNER CONSULTING WITH M GROUP, AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING.
AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFE FACILITY, UH, PLPJ 20 25 0 0 4 1.
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SO AN OVERVIEW OF MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.UM, I'LL GIVE SOME PROJECT BACKGROUND.
I'LL GIVE A HIGH LEVEL DESCRIPTION OF THE SCOPE OF WORK.
RECAP THE AUGUST 4TH JOINT STUDY SESSION WITH COUNCIL AND COMMISSION CHAIR.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, COULD YOU PLEASE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MEETING ITEM? WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD.
YES, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MEETING.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT I READ, BUT YEAH, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
AND SO RECAP THE STUDY SESSION.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS AUGUST 4TH WITH, UH, COUNCIL AND COMMISSION.
I'LL GO THROUGH, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, PROVIDE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, PLEASE RECALL THE PROJECT LOCATION.
IT'S AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON STREET AND KENNELWORTH DRIVE.
UM, IT'S LOCATED ON A THREE AND A HALF ACRE UNDER UNDEVELOPED, UM, PORTION OF THE LARGER 48 ACRE CITY FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY.
UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE SURFACE PARKING AND OVERFLOW, UH, PARKING ON THE, THE FIELD FOR, UH, THE SPEEDWAY.
UM, AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THERE ARE 29 EXISTING TREES WITHIN THE ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
UM, AND THEN EXISTING, UH, DEDICATED BIKE LANES, UM, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, BUT NO EXISTING, UH, SIDEWALKS ALONG THE PROJECT FRONTAGE.
THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION, UH, FOR THE SITE IS, UH, MIXED USE SHOWN IN THE PURPLE AND THEN, UM, PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC SHOWN IN LIGHT BLUE.
AND THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THOSE LAND USES ARE, UH, MIXED USE ONE B SHOWN IN PURPLE AND CIVIC FACILITY SHOWN IN BLUE.
UM, THE HATCHING IS A, IS THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY.
UM, THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY ZONE IS TO PROVIDE SPECIFICATIONS FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW BENEFICIAL USES TO THE FAIRGROUNDS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ADOPTED IN CITY COUNCIL RESOL RESOLUTION 20 22 1 6 7, AND TO ENSURE THE ONGOING OPERATION OF THE SITE AND ITS USES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
WHILE MASTER PLAN AND ASSOCIATED LAND USE POLICIES AND ZONING ARE PREPARED AND ADOPTED FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY.
SO ESSENTIALLY, THE OVERLAY ZONE PROVIDES INTERIM GUIDANCE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF NEW USES ON THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT PROVIDE A PUBLIC BENEFIT, UM, IF NOT FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY.
THE, UH, THE USE THE PUBLIC STATE FACILITY USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN BOTH BASE ZONES, UH, BEING THE CIVIC FACILITY ZONE AND THE MIXED USE ONE B AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A CUP, UM, BUT FOR THE OVERLAY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, REGARDING BASE ZONING, UM, THE CIVIC FACILITY BASE ZONE OR ZONING DISTRICT, UH, IT DOES NOT ADOPT ANY, IT ADOPTS THE ABUTTING ZONING DISTRICT'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO STAFF APPLIED THE ME ONE B DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THE REQUIRED ENTITLEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AS I MENTIONED, A COMMISSION USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED, UH, FOR NEW USES IN THE OVERLAY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO A SITE PLAN.
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR THE PUBLIC STATE FACILITY, UM, BOTH IN CHAPTER IZO CHAPTER 24 AS A NEW PUBLIC BUILDING.
IT'S REQUIRED, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR SITE IMPROVEMENT IN THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY.
SO THOSE ARE BOTH THE TRIGGERS FOR THE SPAR.
AND THEN THERE ARE, UM, SO CP FOR THE, THE SAFETY FACILITY, SPAR FOR THE SAFETY FACILITY.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO MORE, SO FOUR ENTITLEMENTS TOTAL.
THE OTHER TWO ARE WITH THE, UM, ASSOCIATED, UM, COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS, UM, REQUIRED FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSES.
SO, UH, WITH THE PROJECT WOULD BE A PROPOSED, UH, 76 FOOT MONOPOLE, UM, WITH EIGHT ANTENNAS.
AND THE, THIS EQUIPMENT WOULD REPLACE THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT, UM, AT FIRE STATION ONE AND ALSO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
UM, AND THE WAY THE, UH, CODE, UH, DEFINES THE COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT IS AS A MAJOR TELECOM FACILITY, AND SO THAT THAT TRIGGERS, UM, TELECOM APPLICATION.
AND BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OVER 70 FEET AND THE NUMBER OF ANTENNAS OVER THREE, UM, IT'S DEFINED AS A MAJOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.
AND SO THEREFORE, UM, THERE ARE AN ADDITIONAL CUP AND AN ADDITIONAL SPAR, AND THOSE CAN, THOSE ARE BEING BUNDLED, UM, WITH THE PARENT APPLICATION FOR THE, THE PUBLIC SAFE
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FACILITY.UM, AND AS CHAIR, UH, MOSES, UM, EXPLAINED EARLIER, THE FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY IS CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF, UM, IEO CHAPTER OR IEO SECTION 5 0 80 FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY.
UH, SO SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE OPERATIONS SIDE OF THINGS FOR THE USE PERMIT, UM, IT WOULD BE A 24 7 PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES FACILITY.
UH, THERE'D BE STAGGERED SHIFTS AT THE PEAK.
THERE'D BE, UM, A MAX OF 90 EMPLOYEES.
UM, MOST OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FOR, UH, POLICE OPERATIONS, UM, BUT THERE'S ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET FOR FIRE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME DEDICATED SPACE FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, 77 OR 7,700, UH, SQUARE FEET FOR SHARED, UH, COMMON SPACE.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, THE COMMUNICATIONS TOWER, UM, REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UM, USE ASPECTS, UM, AS FAR AS OPERATIONS.
IT'S, UH, PART AND PARCEL TO THE PUBLIC STATE FACILITY, UM, AND IT, ANY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT ARE COMPLETELY HOUSED WITHIN, UM, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, REGARDING THE BUILDING AND THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, HERE IS A, UM, SUMMARY OF WHAT'S INCLUDED.
UM, I'LL SKIP AHEAD AND, AND SHOW YOU WHERE ALL THESE THINGS ARE AT.
SO THE SPAR PROJECT SCOPE WOULD PROPOSE, UH, THE PRIMARY BUILDING, IF YOU CAN FOLLOW MY CURSOR, UM, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 43,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEN THE FOUR FIRE APPARATUS LOCATED HERE, UM, THERE WOULD BE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S ABOUT, IT IS 14 FEET TALL, ABOUT 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THIS WOULD HAVE, UH, MOTORCYCLE PATROL, MOTORCYCLE STORAGE.
IT WOULD HAVE THE, UH, TRANSFORMER ENCLOSURE, UM, THE KENNEL FOR POLICE DOGS.
IT WOULD ALSO HOUSE ALL THE, UM, UM, THE POWER SUPPLY AND THE, UM, ESSENTIAL EQUIPMENT FOR THE TELECOM TOWER.
UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND ALONG THE KENNELWORTH FRONTAGE.
UM, SO BOTH PUBLIC, UH, FRONTAGES WOULD CONTAIN MOST OF, UH, THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING WITH 10 ONSITE TREES.
UM, THERE WOULD BE 13 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES AND AN ASSOCIATED COMMUNITY PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THERE WOULD BE 111 PARKING STALLS IN THE SECURED LOT.
THERE WOULD ALSO BE, UH, FOUR, UM, SHORT-TERM BIKE PARKING SPACES OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THERE WOULD BE SIX LONG-TERM, UM, BIKE, UH, PARKING SPACES, UM, IN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND THERE WOULD BE A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-PURPOSE, UH, PATHWAY ALONG, UH, EACH FRONTAGE, UH, FLOOR PLAN, I WON'T GET INTO TO TOO MUCH, UH, DETAIL HERE, BUT, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD HAVE THE FIRE APPARATUS BAY AND, UM, UH, MOST OF THE POLICE OPERATIONS AND EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH I WON'T SHOW HAS, UH, FIREFIGHTER DORMS. THERE'D BE 12 FIREFIGHTER DORMS, UM, ELEVATION.
UM, HERE'S THE, UH, THE LATEST ELEVATION, UH, FROM THE REVISED PROJECT PLANS AND ATTACHMENT FIVE, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, UM, TOO MUCH HERE.
AND, UM, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL BECAUSE THE ARCHITECT, UM, IS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
BUT YOU'LL SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT THERE IS A DARKER TONE CONCRETE PROPOSED FOR THE, THE FIRE STATION, AND THEN A LIGHTER TONE CONCRETE FOR THE POLICE STATION.
UM, AND THIS, UM, THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE FROM THE CORRUGATED FORECAST TO A BOARD FORM CONCRETE.
AND HERE'S A PHOTO SIMULATION RENDERING OF THE 76 FOOT TALL MONOPOLE.
UM, THE, THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT IS TO THE TIP OF THE ANTENNA.
THAT'S HOW THE CODE, UH, REQUIRES US TO MEASURE IT.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU'LL SEE IT'S A TAPERED, UH, MONOPOLE, UH, DESIGN, AND IT'S BEHIND, UM, BOTH THE PRIMARY BUILDING AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT 80 FEET BACK FROM KENNELWORTH AND, AND ABOUT 70 FEET, UM, BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A, A RECAP OF THE FEEDBACK.
UM, IT'S BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TEAM,
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UM, REQUESTED AT THE AUGUST 4TH STUDY SESSION, UM, LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE, WE COVER, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT, UH, WE SOUGHT, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN THE REVISED PLANT SET.SO REGARDING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND CIVIC PRESENCE, UM, AS I JUST SHOWED YOU, THE PRIMARY MATERIAL HAS CHANGED FROM THE CORRUGATED, UH, FORM CAST TO A BOARD FORM, UH, WHICH PROVIDES A NATURAL WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S ALSO SOME VARIATION IN THE TONES OF THE CONCRETE COLOR, UM, PUBLIC ART, WHILE NO SPECIFIC FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED AT THE STUDY SESSION, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, UM, DETAILS A PUBLIC ART IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY THAT IDENTIFIES OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ART, AS WELL AS, UM, HOW THE PROJECT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE IN IEO CHAPTER 18.
UH, REGARDING SITE LAYOUT, UM, THIS IS REALLY JUST A REMINDER THAT, UH, WE KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION EXPECTS, UM, PARKING TO BE LOCATED, UM, AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, IN THIS CASE, THERE IS THE PUBLIC PARKING, UM, CON CONVEN, UM, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT PROHIBITS THIS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO FRONT SETBACK REQUIRED IN THE ME ONE B.
UM, AND SO THERE IS THE PUBLIC PARKING IN FRONT.
UM, IT IS, UM, SET BACK BY THE 10 FOOT WIDE, UH, MULTIPURPOSE PATH, AND THEN IT DOES PROVIDE THAT CONVENIENT DIRECT ACCESS, UH, TO THE FACILITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ALONG THOSE LINES, OR IN, IN REGARDS TO LAYOUT AND CONNECTIVITY, UM, THE PROJECT IS PROVIDING A COMMUNITY PLAZA AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND BOTH THE PUBLIC, UM, PARKING AREA AND THE COMMUNITY PLAZA WOULD PROVIDE A COLORIZED PRECAST CONCRETE.
UH, REGARDING INTERIOR PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, THE SITE IS UNABLE TO MEET THE SPAR STANDARD TO PROVIDE A, A LANDSCAPE DIVIDER STRIP FOR EACH EIGHT PARKING STALLS.
THEY MEET THE STANDARD IN THE PUBLIC PARKING AREA, BUT THEY'RE UNABLE TO MEET IT IN THE SECURED LOT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO ENHANCE, UM, RESPONSE TIMES AND, AND ALLOW FOR MORE MANEUVERABILITY IN THAT LOT.
UM, SO THAT STANDARD IS NOT MET.
HOVER, THE STANDARD DOES SPECIFICALLY ALLOW FOR THE REVIEW AUTHORITIES TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES.
AND SO THE PROJECT PLANS BEFORE THIS EVENING, UM, IF FOR, IF APPROVED OR FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, WE'LL EFFECTIVELY, UM, RECOMMEND THAT ALTERNATIVE LAYOUT AND WAIVE THAT LANDSCAPE DIVIDER STANDARD, UH, FOR TRUE REQUIREMENT.
THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT, UM, STAFF HIGHLIGHTED AT THE STUDY SESSION SAYING THAT THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO HAVE CONSTRAINTS AND NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THIS AND IT, AND IT, AND IT DOESN'T.
UM, THE CONSTRAINT HERE IS THAT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING FOR THE SECURED LOT, UM, THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, UH, TO PROVIDE TREES ALONG THE SECURITY FENCING WOULD, COULD FACILITATE, UM, UH, CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S A, AN OPERATIONAL CONSTRAINT THERE AND A SECURITY CONCERN.
AND SO, UM, THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO PROVIDE THE REMAINDER OF THE, UH, UH, ONSITE TREE REQUIREMENT, UM, ELSEWHERE ON THE CITY FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY, UM, AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES POTENTIALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MASTER PLAN, UM, COME ABOUT.
OH, ALSO THAT SORT OF LED TO, IT SPURRED A BROADER DISCUSSION OF LANDSCAPING.
AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HEARD AND, UM, THE CITY APPLICANT TEAM HEARD, UH, WAS THAT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS REGARDING, UM, PROVIDING, UM, MORE LANDSCAPE OPPORTUNITIES AND USING, UM, NODES AND, UM, USING CLUSTERS TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE, UM, UTILITARIAN FORM OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLANTING PLAN BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS, UM, THE USE OF CURVILINEAR PATTERNS TO SORT OF, UM, OFFSET THAT, UM, RECTANGULAR THOSE, UM, RIGHT ANGLES AND THE, THE HARD LINES OF THE BUILDING PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, THERE AT THE STUDY SESSION, UH, WHICH WAS NOTICED, UM, THROUGH MAIL AND, UM, ARGUS COURIER AND ALSO POSTED ON SITE, UH, THERE WERE 21 PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, RECEIVED, UM, PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, 13 WERE IN SUPPORT.
EIGHT EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, ARCHITECTURE, WALKABILITY, LOCATION AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AT THE, AT THAT PUBLIC MEETING, THERE WERE, UM, 15 INDIVIDUALS THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT PROVIDED PUBLIC
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TESTIMONY, SIX WERE IN SUPPORT, NINE, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TIMING OF THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN, UM, ALTERNATIVE PARKING FOR THE SPEEDWAY, CREATING A PARK-LIKE SETTING ARCHITECTURE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE ROUTES.UM, FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THIS ITEM WAS NOTICED, UM, AT LEAST 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE FOR BY VIA MAIL, UM, TO OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, UM, ARGUS COURIER AND ON SITE.
UM, THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, AT THE TIME OF PUBLICATION, SINCE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE COME IN AFTER PUBLICATION EXPRESSING CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING PUBLIC RESOURCES AND FLOODING, UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH, UM, FROM THE CITY TEAM, UM, THROUGH A DEDICATED WEBPAGE, UM, NEWSLETTER UPDATES, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
UM, AND SO NOW I'LL PROVIDE, UH, STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND, UM, SUMMARIZE, UH, STAFF'S FINDINGS.
STAFF IS ABLE TO MAKE ALL THE APPLICABLE FINDINGS.
UM, I WON'T, I WON'T READ, UM, THEM ALL TO YOU.
UM, THEY'RE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THEY'RE IN THE, UM, RESOLUTIONS THIS EVENING.
UM, AND I TRIED TO INTERWEAVE SOME OF THESE, UM, PERTINENT ASPECTS INTO MY PRESENTATION.
UM, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, THE SITE IS ADEQUATE AND THAT THE SIZE HAS BEEN DETERMINED BASED UPON THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS, AND THAT, UM, ONLY A 3.5 ACRE, UM, PORTION OF THE 48 ACRE, UM, CITY PROPERTY IS PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE OUTDOOR PARKING AREA WILL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW BY A COMBINATION OF THE PROPOSED PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, FENCING AND LANDSCAPING.
THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY SERVING USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICE, OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICE, UH, EXCUSE ME, OTHER COMMUNITY SERVING USES, UH, SUCH AS THE SWIM CENTER AND SKATE PARK, AND THE LIBRARY.
THE PROPOSED PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY USES PERMITTED IN BOTH, UH, BY RIGHT IN BOTH THE ME ONE B AND THE CF ZONES.
UM, THE PROJECT PROPOSES A TWO STORY BUILDING TO MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT AND ALL EXISTING USES ON THE CITY.
FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UH, STREETS ARE ADEQUATE, AND A 78 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, UH, IS PROPOSED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE FIRE APPARATUS BAY, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, IT, THE SIGHTING WOULD PROVIDE A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR ENHANCED EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES AND, UM, MULTIPLE ROUTES, UM, TO RESPOND THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, UH, REQUIRED BY THE FAIRGROUNDS OVERLAY ZONE RELATED TO THE NEW USE.
THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY IS AN ANTICIPATED USE FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, INCLUDING A SPECIFIC PRINCIPLE THAT CALLS TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE CAPACITY OF THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY TO PROVIDE CRITICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE RESOURCES FOR PETALUMA AND THE RE REGION.
THE USE IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, UH, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR THE MAJOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.
THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY USE COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE SETBACKS.
THE SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT AND POWER SUPPLY WOULD BE HOUSED ENTIRELY IN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, AND THEREFORE NOT BE VISIBLE.
UM, THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO REQUIRE SUBMITTAL OF A RADIO FREQUENCY COMPLIANCE REPORT.
UM, THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO SURVIVE A NATURAL DISASTER AND CONTINUE TO FUNCTION, AND THE PROJECT WOULD BE FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY AND IS CONSIDERED A PUBLIC NECESSITY, UH, FOR THE TWO SPARS.
STARTING WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, UH, THE PROJECT INCORPORATES BOARD FORM CONCRETE WALLS WITH MAPLEWOOD AND ALUMINUM ACCENTS, WHICH PROVIDE DURABILITY AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
THE DESIGN INCORPORATES CIVIC AGRARIAN AND INDUSTRIAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND FORMS, UH, LIKE THE LIBRARY AND SWIM CENTER USES.
THE FACILITY IS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM ALL PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, AND IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY FOOT, BIKE, TRANSIT, AND VEHICLE.
AGAIN, THE PROJECT PROPOSED A TWO STORY BUILDING TO MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT AND ALL EXISTING USES ON THE CITY OF FAIRGROUNDS.
PROJECT USES COLOR MATERIAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS TO REDUCE THE APPEARANCE OF BULK.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS LIGHTER COLOR TONE, AND THE FIRE STATION IS A DARKER COLOR TONE, UM, WHILE THE VERTICALITY OF THE BUILDING IS BROKEN UP BY, UM, THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, ARTICULATION OF A FULL LENGTH NATURAL MAPLEWOOD SLAT, UM, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE
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CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT A ROBUST PALLET OF SHRUBS IS PROPOSED IN A CURVE LINEAR PATTERN, WHICH WOULD COUNTERBALANCE THE RECTANGULAR FORM OF THE STRUCTURES.UH, UM, AND FOR SPAR, FOR THE TELECOM HIGH QUALITY STEEL TAPERED CONSTRUCTION, UM, A FLAT PAINT IS CONDITIONED, UM, UM, TO BE, UH, PROVIDED THAT WOULD REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT.
UH, NO OTHER LOCATION IS FEASIBLE, UH, FOR THE FACILITY BASED ON THE ALTERNATIVES AND COLOCATION ANALYSIS AND ATTACHMENT 10.
AND THIS INCLUDES, UM, EXCLUSIVE USE FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, UH, EXCLUSIVE USE AND OWNERSHIP AND SIGNAL PRIORITY.
UH, THE MONOPOLE WOULD BE CITED WITHIN THE SECURED PARKING AREA, UH, AGAIN, SETBACK 83 FEET FROM KENILWORTH, 72 FEET FROM THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING.
UM, AND VISUAL IMPACT WOULD BE MINIMIZED FROM VIEW OF JOHNSON STREET, UM, BY CITING IT BEHIND THE PRIMARY BUILDING, UM, AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO SIMULATION AND ATTACHMENT EIGHT.
UM, LASTLY, THE, THE TELECOM, UH, FACILITY IS CONDITIONED TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES UNDER PETAL MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 1444.
FOR CQA, THE PROJECT IS STATUTORILY EXEMPT FROM FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER CQA PURSUANT TO PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE SECTION 21 0 8, 3 0.3, AND SQL GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 1 8 3.
AND THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTAL, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DENSITY ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY'S EXISTING IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN FOR WHICH AN EIR HAS BEEN CERTIFIED.
UM, THERE'S DETAIL ANALYSIS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHECKLIST FOR STREAMLINE REVIEW, WHICH IS FOUND IN ATTACHMENT NINE.
AND WITH THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, CONSIDER RESOLUTION AND ATTACHMENT ONE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE CONDITION, USE PERMITS FOR THE PROPOSED PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY WITH MAJOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY, AND ALSO, UM, CONSIDER RESOLUTION AND ATTACHMENT TWO, RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF SPAR FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY WITH MAJOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.
THANK YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ALSO, UM, THE CITY, UM, THE FIRE, THE FIRE CHIEF, POLICE CHIEF, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TEAM WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE DESIGN TEAM ARE ALL IN ATTENDANCE, AND SO THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, PLANNED AS WELL.
ANY URGENT QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TEAM? OKAY, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANTS.
LET SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
UM, GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITY DEPARTMENT.
UM, FOR THOSE MAY BE TUNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME OR ARE NEW TO THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR THOSE MAY BE TUNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME OR WHO ARE NEW TO THIS PROJECT, I WANNA OPEN THIS PORTION, UH, OF THE MEETING BY DRAWING FROM THE OPENING WORDS OF OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER AT THE AUGUST 4TH JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
AND THAT IS TO SAY THAT THIS IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION MILESTONE PROJECT FOR PETALUMA.
IT'S THE FIRST PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY IN MORE THAN 40 YEARS, AND IT'S MADE POSSIBLE BY MEASURE U AND MEASURE H.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE MEASURES WERE NOT WINDFALLS, THEY WERE COMMITMENTS WHEN THE VOTERS APPROVED, UH, THOSE MEASURES, U AND H, THEY GAVE US A MANDATE AND THE MEANS TO INVEST IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY RESILIENCE.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS PART OF HONORING THAT PROMISE.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES, WE NOW HAVE THE STAFFING, THE EXPERTISE, THE CENTRALIZED CITY SITE, AND THE REVENUE CAPACITY TO DELIVER WHAT PAST COUNCILS COULD ONLY PLAN FOR.
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FACILITY IS NOT A NICE TO HAVE.IT'S A ONCE IN A GENERATION INVESTMENT IN THE SAFETY AND RESILIENCE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND A FULFILLMENT OF THAT COMMITMENT MADE TO THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA.
I'LL BE HANDING THIS OVER TO THE CHIEFS, UH, BRIAN AND JEFF HERE SHORTLY TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORIC AND OPERATIONAL, UH, NEEDS THIS FACILITY WILL ADDRESS.
BUT BEFORE THAT, I WANT TO, UM, KIND OF GO OVER THE TIMELINE OF HOW THE CITY HAS ENGAGED, UM, WITH THE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND COMMISSION TO GET THE DESIGN TO WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS TODAY.
SO WHEN WE FIRST, WHEN THE CITY FIRST PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, IT WAS ENVISIONED AS A $140 MILLION PROJECT SPREAD OVER FIVE ACRES WITH A COMPLETION PROJECTED IN 2035.
THE CLEAR FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME WAS THAT THE PROJECT NEEDED TO BE SCALED BACK.
IT WAS TOO LARGE, TOO COSTLY, AND TOO FAR OUT IN TIME, AND WE SHOULD REFINE IT INTO SOMETHING MORE PRACTICAL AND ACHIEVABLE WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE WORKED HARD TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
THE CITY LEVERAGED THE IN-HOUSE SKILLS OF PUBLIC WORK STAFF.
AND TOGETHER WITH OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, LPA, WE'VE REFINED THIS FACILITY INTO A $70 MILLION PROJECT ON THREE AND A HALF ACRES, STRATEGICALLY LOCATED TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THE FUTURE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE ADDED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE FAIRGROUNDS AS A WHOLE.
THESE INCLUDE THE NEW ROAD INJUNCTION OF KENNEL WORK TO ACCESS THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, MULTI-USE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE PATHS, UPGRADED, UH, SEWER MAINS AND STORM DRAIN LINES SERVE, NOT JUST DESIGNED AND SIZE, NOT JUST TO SERVE THE FACILITY, BUT THE BROADER FAIRGROUNDS AND ANY EXPANSION FROM THE MASTER PLAN.
WE BROUGHT THIS REFINED PLAN FORWARD AT THE RECENT AUGUST 4TH JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR RECOGNITION OF THE BUDGET, THE SCHEDULE, AND THE OPERATIONAL BALANCING ACT THAT'S REQUIRED TO MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THIS VIABLE.
HAVING THAT JOINT SESSION WHEN WE DID AND THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM YOU WAS CRITICAL.
IT GAVE US THE CLARITY TO PRIORITIZE WHAT MATTERED MOST, AND IT ALLOWED US TO MAKE THE CHANGES IN ADVANCE OF TONIGHT'S HEARING TO HELP KEEP THE PROJECT ON SCHEDULE, WHICH IN TURN, VERY IMPORTANTLY KEEPS US WITHIN BUDGET.
SO WHAT DID WE HEAR? UM, FOUR CLEAR THEMES EMERGED FIRST ON ARCHITECTURE AND CIVIC CHARACTER.
WE HEARD A STRONG DESIRE FOR THE BUILDING TO FEEL WARMER, MORE WELCOMING, AND MORE CIVIC AND PRESENCE.
THE MESSAGE WAS CLEAR, AVOID THE MONOLITHIC FORTRESSLIKE LOOK, UM, RECONSIDERED A CORRUGATED CONCRETE FACADE, AND INSTEAD USE, UM, DIFFERENT MATERIALS TO, TO REFLECT PETALUMA'S, UH, IDENTITY AND CHARACTER.
SECOND, ON SITE AND LANDSCAPE, WE HEARD ADD MORE TREES AND SHADE TO HELP REDUCE THE HEAT, OIL AND EFFECT, ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN FRONTAGE, AND CREATE AS MUCH OF A PARK-LIKE SETTING AS POSSIBLE, WHILE STILL RESPECTING THE SECURITY NEEDS OF THE FACILITY.
THIRD, ON OPERATIONS AND DESIGN, THE PRIORITY WAS MAINTAINING SECURITY FOR THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND SUPPORTING 24 7 FUNCTIONALITY FOR BOAT POLICE AND FIRE OPERATIONS, AND PROVIDING FLEXIBILITY FOR OCCASIONAL TRAINING OR COMMUNITY FACING USE WHEN APPROPRIATE.
AND FINALLY, ON BUDGET AND MOMENTUM, WE WERE PLEASED TO HEAR, KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING, STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET, AND MAINTAIN MOMENTUM SO WE CAN DELIVER THIS IMPORTANT FACILITY WITHOUT DELAY.
THOSE FOUR THEMES, ARCHITECTURE, SITE, OPERATIONS, AND BUDGET, HAVE GUIDED THE REFINEMENTS WE'LL BE SHOWING YOU TONIGHT.
I'LL LET LPA DIVE INTO THESE, THESE DETAILS, UM, HERE SOON.
THEY'RE GONNA SHOW YOU SOME FANTASTIC BEFORE AND AFTER RENDERINGS, WHICH REALLY, WHICH REALLY SHOW, UH, HOW WE, HOW WE PUT THOSE INTO EFFECT.
BEFORE I HAND IT OVER, THOUGH, I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE AN IMPORTANT POINT, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE NOT A DEVELOPER OR A PROFIT DRIVEN ORGANIZATION.
IF AT TIMES IT MAY FEEL RESTRAINED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE CUTTING CORNERS TO MEET PROFIT MARGINS OR BOOST REVENUE AS THE CASE MAY BE WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
THE REALITY IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS A BALANCING ACT GOVERNED BY A FINITE BUDGET AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE VERY MOST OUT OF EVERY DOLLAR FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
EVERYONE ON THE SEA TEAMS A PUBLIC SERVANT.
MANY OF US LIVE HERE IN PETALUMA, RAISE OUR FAMILIES HERE.
WE'RE MULTI-GENERATIONAL PETALUMA, MOST OF US, AND WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT DELIVERING THE BEST FACILITY POSSIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, IT'S A CAREFUL BALANCE BETWEEN BUDGET REALITIES, OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
WE'VE PUT IN A MOUNTAIN OF WORK INTO MAKING SURE THIS PROJECT HONORS THE COMMITMENT MADE TO THE VOTERS, AND WE'RE HOPING IT'LL SET PETALUMA UP FOR THE FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO THE CHIEFS, AND THAT'LL GIVE US A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE NEED AND WHAT THIS FACILITY WILL ADDRESS.
UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY COMMISSIONERS COUNCIL MEMBER, AND SO BRIEFLY, BOTH MYSELF AND FIRE CHIEF SHOCK.
JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE AND JUST GIVE YOU A REALLY HIGH LEVEL UPDATE.
I KNOW WE ADDRESSED THE STUDY SESSION, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA BE REDUNDANT,
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BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANNA MEET MISS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF REINFORCE TO POTENTIALLY SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING THE PROJECT, AND REINFORCED KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT US HERE, UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AND ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR MAYBE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE TECHNICAL OR OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP AND THE RELEVANCE TO THE PROJECT.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO IS FROM THE NEED.
THIS HAS BEEN LONG IDENTIFIED.
WHEN I ENTERED IN 2005, THIS WAS A PROJECT, AT LEAST ON THE POLICE SIDE, THAT OUR COMMAND STAFF WAS ACTIVELY WORKING ON PROGRAMMING AND PLANNING AND HAD PLANS IN PLACE, UH, THAT EVAPORATED.
UM, WE USE SOME OF THOSE PLANS AND FORECASTING AND PROJECTIONS INTO THE CURRENT PLANS THAT ARE IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY HAD PROJECTIONS THAT FAR EXCEEDED WHAT OUR PRESENT DAY PROJECTIONS WERE NEEDED.
UM, AND SO VERY MUCH WE KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR 20 YEARS, AND WE KNOW THE CONSTRAINTS AND THE LIMITATIONS AND THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE FOR DECADES.
UM, CURRENTLY, AT LEAST IN MY FACILITY, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR 40 YEARS OUT OF A CONVERTED BUILDING THAT WAS NOT INTENDED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY USE.
IT'S BEEN OUTDATED, ANTIQUATED, UH, REPURPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE BEEN IN TEMPORARY OFFICE SPACE, UH, FOR 14 YEARS OFFSITE THAT WE'VE OUTGROWN THAT.
UM, AND IT'S SERVED ITS PURPOSE.
UM, BUT IT'S TIME WE WENT THROUGH A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
BOTH OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS WENT THROUGH ORGANIZATIONAL, UH, AND OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENT STUDIES TO REALLY IDENTIFY WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE INTERNALLY, UM, BOTH OPERATIONALLY, STAFFING AND INFRASTRUCTURE WISE.
AND THAT LED INTO A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS THAT HELPED US GUIDE, UH, IDENTIFYING CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP AND BUILD THIS PROJECT, WHICH HAS LED US HERE AND LED US TO A POINT THAT COUNCIL GAVE US DIRECTION TO REALLY IDENTIFY LOCATIONS, A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR A JOINT FACILITY DEDICATED TO BOTH POLICE FIRE THAT HOUSED AN AN INDEPENDENT AND OR NOT INDEPENDENT, A JOINT LOCATED EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER FOR BOTH OF OUR SHARED USE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF SHOCK
SLIDE OVER AND ADVANCE THIS ONE.
AND, UH, THANKS FOR ALLOWING US THE TIME AGAIN, AND WE'LL MAKE IT SHORTER THAN THE LAST TIME WE PROMISED.
OH, WHEN BRIAN TALKS ABOUT OUR NEED, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT OUR, AS THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF, HE'S TALKING ABOUT OUR NEED AS A COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE FOREVER AS A PUBLIC SAFETY PROVIDER, BUT I WILL AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
AND THIS IS REALLY WHEN WE SAY OUR NEED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT PUBLIC SAFETY LEVEL OF SERVICES THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES.
AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE JOINT STUDY SESSION, THIS IS A RARE AND TIMELY OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
BOTH POLICE AND FIRE HAVE SIGNIFICANT OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND WE HAVE, AND WE NOW HAVE A UNIQUE ALIGNMENT OF FACTORS WORKING IN OUR FAVOR.
A CENTRALLY LOCATED PARCEL SECURED FUNDING THROUGH MEASURE U, AND THEN THE RECENTLY PASSED MEASURE H COUNTYWIDE FIRE TAX AND STRONG PROJECT MOMENTUM.
THE PROJECT CONCEPT IS CAREFULLY DESIGNED TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET WHILE STILL MEETING OUR CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.
BUT TIMING IS IMPORTANT AND DELAY RISK.
HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS MISALIGNMENT WITH FUNDING WINDOWS AND THE LOSS OF MOMENTUM THAT WE'VE BUILT TONIGHT, WE ARE PLEASED TO SHARE THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED, THE REFINEMENTS MADE, AND THE STEPS AHEAD TO ENSURE THIS PROJECT REMAINS ACHIEVABLE SO WE CAN DELIVER THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES.
I THINK ONE TAKEAWAY OFF NOTE BEFORE I MOVE ON TO LPA DESIGN TEAM IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
WHAT WE BROUGHT A MONTH OR SO AGO TO THE JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ME AT THE TIME WAS SPOT ON A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND I REALLY HAD A OPERATIONAL FOCUS.
AND THEN HEARING THE COMMENT, WE DID THE VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENT.
UM, IT WAS REALLY NEAT TO THINK, HEY, WE GOT THIS NAILED.
AND THEN YOU HEAR COMMENT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE, OH, MAN, DID WE MISS SOMETHING? AND THEN TO SEE WHAT LPA HAS DONE, TAKING ALL THOSE COMMENTS AND ALL THAT FEEDBACK, IT IS NOT TO, NOT TO BUILD IT UP TOO MUCH, NO PRESSURE LPA, BUT TO REALLY BRING IT BACK, LIKE, WOW, THIS REALLY IS NOW PETALUMA.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND IS, I'M SUPER PROUD, UH, I'M SUPER PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE COME, WHAT WE, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THE CALLS, WHAT OUR TEAM HAS COME UP WITH TO REALLY DELIVER ON THE INPUT THAT WAS PROVIDED.
IT WAS VERY VALUABLE AND VERY APPRECIATED.
SO PASS IT ON TO OUR LPA TEAM.
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HELLO EVERYONE.I'M ARCHITECT WITH LPA, NOT LANCELOT HUNTER, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH LPA.
AND, UH, BEFORE WE START, I, THANKS FOR SAYING ALL THAT CHIEF.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, UM, MESSAGE IN THAT, UH, WE THOUGHT, WE, WE THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS REALLY NICE.
I THINK IT WAS REALLY NICE, BUT MAYBE NOT, UM, NOT AS PINPOINT ACCURATE AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN.
AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM YOU AND FROM OTHER FOLKS AS WELL.
WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE PROJECTS BETTER, SO WE ALWAYS TAKE IT WITH A PRO POSITIVE VEIN AND SAY, WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.
I'M GONNA TRY TO, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW SOME OF THE STUFF YOU SAW THE LAST TIME WE KEPT IT IN HERE.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THIS ALREADY, SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICK.
BUT THIS IS OUR SITE RELATIVE TO THE CITY OF, UH, PETALUMA, PRETTY MUCH DEAD CENTER OF THE CITY.
THIS IS, UH, A CLOSER IN VIEW TO, AT THE LOOK OF THE SITE RELATIVE TO, UH, SORT OF THE CORE OF, UH, PETALUMA.
SO YOU IN FURTHER, UM, UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL FAIRGROUND SITE AND, UH, SORT OF NORTH CORNER OF THE SITE, THIS IS A SLIDE SHOWING SOME OF THE CONTEXT AROUND THAT SITE.
SO SORT OF FROM THE UPPER RIGHT, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET, THE FAIRGROUNDS, GROUND STAND, GRANDSTAND, THE LIBRARY ON THE LEFT, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, AND THEN THE, UH, AQUATICS COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE.
JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN, UM, VIEW OF THAT CONTEXT, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THE CONTEXTUAL PHOTOS THAT WE SHOWED LAST TIME IN TERMS OF SORT OF THE, UM, THE CORRUGATED METAL OF THE, OF THE FAIRGROUND SHED, UM, AND OTHER SORT OF BUILDINGS WITHIN, UH, PETALUMA.
BUT WE WANTED TO LOOK BEYOND THAT.
AND WE'VE, UH, YOU GUYS KIND OF STOLE MY THUNDER HERE A LITTLE BIT, UH, WITH TALKING ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE MATERIALITY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, SO WE REALLY WENT BACK AND, 'CAUSE WE, WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SORT OF CONNECTION TO THIS AGRARIAN HISTORY OF, UH, PETALUMA.
SO WHAT, WHAT ELSE CAN WE SORT OF CONNECT TO IN TERMS OF THE, THAT AGRARIAN, UH, PAST AND WE LOOKED, UM, SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, THESE SORT OF PURELY AGRARIAN STRUCTURES LIKE BARNES AND THE WOOD, UM, THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF WOOD, ESPECIALLY WEATHERED WOOD THAT EXISTS, THAT SORT OF, SORT OF REALLY STANDS THE TEST OF TIME.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT'S A GREAT SORT OF CONNECTION TO MAKE THAT WE THINK EVERYONE CAN REALLY GRAB ONTO AND UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE, AND IT HAS A NATURAL BEAUTY, A BIOPHILIC EFFECT THAT WE ALL, UM, UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN A CLOSER LOOK AT THE SITE, UH, THIS IS THE, UM, THE THREE PLUS ACRES SURROUNDED BY, UH, JOHNSON STREET AND, UH, KENNELWORTH.
THIS IS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SLIDE, SORT OF SHOWING HOW THIS SITE'S SITS RELATIVE TO THE PATH OF THE SUN, WHICH INFORMS THE DESIGN, UM, HOW THE SITE DRAINS AWAY FROM THIS SITE, WHERE WINDS COMES FROM ON THIS SITE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE TOOK A LOOK AT A LOT OF THE MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS AND HOW, UM, BEING THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY FACILITY, UH, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THE INS AND OUTS INTO OUR SITE.
AND SO LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND WAYS TO ACCESS THE SITE WAS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
UH, THIS BECAME THE FOUNDATION OF US UNDERSTANDING THE BUILDING PLACEMENT AND THE ADJACENT, UM, FEATURES IN TERMS OF PARKING AND ENTRANCES, UH, ONTO THE SITE ITSELF.
SO, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, THE SITE PLAN AREN'T TO EMERGE ITSELF, UM, AND KEY ENTRANCES, UH, AND WAYS INTO THE SITE IS OFF OF JOHNSON STREET.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ARROW AT THE TOP THERE.
THAT IS THE EXITING PATH FOR THE APPARATUS, UH, VEHICLES COMING OFF OF COMING ONTO JOHNSON STREET.
UH, TO THE FAR, UH, LEFT OF THAT, THE LONGER ARROW IS THE ACCESS ROAD, UH, THAT TAKES YOU INTO THE SECURED PARKING, UH, BOTH, UH, FOR, UH, STAFF AND FOR, UM, FOLKS, UH, GOING TO THE SECURED PARKING, UM, UH, F UH, AREA FOR THE SITE.
AND THEN ON THE F UH, FAR SOUTH, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS ROAD FOR SOME OF THE LARGER APPARATUS, UH, VEHICLES, UH, TO MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE SECURED PARKING, UM, AREA.
AND SO, REORIENTING OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT HERE, WE'RE ZOOMING INTO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.
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THING THAT IS, UH, DEFINITELY APPARENT HERE IS THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE SECURED PARKING ZONE, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ALONG THE WEST AND THE SOUTH PORTION, UH, ADDITIONAL TREES THAT START TO ALLUDE TO THIS OVERALL CHARACTER OF, UM, A MORE OF A PARK-LIKE SETTING.UH, I HAVE TO SAY, BEFORE WE CAME TO THE, UH, THE, THE MEETING TODAY, WE ACTUALLY HAD EXTRA TIME AND WE DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, IT JUST REINFORCED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION THAT WE, WE HEARD AND THAT WE WERE GIVEN IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING, UH, A LANDSCAPE THAT WAS MORE, UH, NON-FORMAL, RIGHT? AS YOU SEE A LOT OF THE CHARACTER.
AND WHAT MAKES PETALUMA SO UNIQUE IS THAT THERE'S SO MUCH, UH, DIVERSITY AND STYLES AND, UM, A LANDSCAPE ARRANGEMENT.
AND SO, UH, WITH OUR DESIGN, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN, IN FORTHCOMING RENDERINGS, THAT DEFINITELY IS, IS THE SPIRIT OF HOW THE LANDSCAPE IS, IS, UH, DEVELOPED HERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, SOME OTHER KEY FEATURES ARE SOME, UH, LARGER, UH, SHADE CANOPIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE SECURED PARKING, UH, THAT ALLOW FOR US TO, UH, DISTRIBUTE MORE SHADE THROUGHOUT THAT SPACE.
AND AS I MENTIONED, AGAIN, THE ADDITION OF SOME MORE TREES, UH, WITHIN THE SECURED PARKING ZONE THERE, UH, TO THE NORTH ALONG JOHNSON STREET IS A COMMUNITY, UH, UH, FOCUSED, UH, PLAZA.
UH, THAT ALSO JUST HAPPENS TO DOUBLE AS THE VISITOR PARKING, RIGHT? SO WHEN, UH, THERE ARE KEY EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THIS, UH, PLAZA CAN, UH, FUNCTION AS A GATHERING SPACE FOR, UM, MORE COMMUNITY FOCUSED, UH, GATHERINGS AND REALLY ALLOW FOR IT TO BE, UH, A SPACE OF FLEXIBILITY AND TO ALLOW FOR IT TO BE A, UM, A SPACE FOR MULTI, UH, FUNCTIONS AND USE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S, UM, MORE, UH, PLANTING FOCUSED ONTO THE ENTRY POINTS TO REALLY AGAIN, UH, SOFTEN THOSE ENTRY, UH, ZONES.
AND YOU'LL SEE, AND AGAIN, IN SOME MORE FORTHCOMING RENDERINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT, UH, INTO PLAY OF HOW WE DESIGN THESE, UH, LANDSCAPE SPACES TO BE, UH, LESS FORMAL AND MORE, UM, UH, UH, STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF GROUPINGS.
AND ONE, TWO, TWOS IS THAT DIVERSE TO JUST, UM, MONOTONOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FORMATION OF PLANT, PLANT GROUP BEANS.
ALL RIGHT, LEMME STEP IN HERE.
WE, WE KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THESE ALREADY, BUT, UM, THIS IS SORT OF THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE REALLY AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE, HOW WE CAME TO THE PLAN THAT WE CAME TO.
AND, UH, THERE ARE REALLY THREE, UM, MAJOR CRITERIA THAT INFORM THESE PLAN.
ONE IS BEING REALLY EFFICIENT SO WE COULD, UM, UH, AFFORD THE PROJECT TOO, WAS CREATING AS MUCH SORT OF SHARED CONNECTION BETWEEN FIRE AND POLICE.
UH, SO THEY WOULD HAVE AS MUCH SORT OF UNITY AS POSSIBLE, AGAIN, MAYBE SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND, UH, I FORGET WHAT THE THIRD ONE WAS.
I'M JUST GONNA GO ON, UM, LEMME GO BACK.
SO THE RED IS, UH, FIRE, THE GRAY THAT YOU SEE IN THE CENTER IS ALL THE SHARED SPACES.
SO AGAIN, WE SORT OF MAXIMIZE THAT SHARED SPACE.
AND THEN BLUE IS, UH, POLICE SPECIFIC.
THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, BY THE WAY.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR.
BLUE IS ALL, UM, POLICE SPECIFIC.
GRAY IS, UH, SHARED SPACE, AND THEN THE RED IS, UH, FIRE, UH, SPECIFIC.
AND AGAIN, UM, SORT OF HOW WE GOT TO THAT WAS THIS SORT OF COMBINATION OF WHERE, UM, ELEMENTS HAD TO OCCUR ON THE SITE, REALLY THE FIRE APPARATUS BAY AND HOW FIRE TRUCKS CAME AND WENT FROM THE SITE, SORT OF, UH, UH, DETERMINED WHERE THAT APPARATUS BAY AND THE ADJACENT FIRE RELATED PROGRAM REALLY NEEDED TO BE NEXT TO FIRE APPARAT SPACE.
SO THAT REALLY PARKED ALL THE SORT FIRE STATION, UM, UH, PROGRAM ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN THE POLICE, UM, WENT ON TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT WITH ALL THAT SORT OF SHARED SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, INCLUDING, UH, ALONG JOHNSON STREET.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DIRECTLY OFF OF THE PARKING PLAZA, THE PUBLIC SPACE WHERE, AND THAT'S WHERE PUBLIC COMES IN, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF SMALLER CONTROLLED SPACE AS WELL AS THE EOC, WHICH IS A MULTIFUNCTION SPACE.
SO THAT'S SORT OF THE PUBLIC SPACE.
AND THEN THE SPECIFIC SHARED SPACE IS BETWEEN FIRE AND POLICE HAPPEN IN THE BACK WHERE THEY HAVE A SHARED INDOOR SPACE AND SHARED OUTDOOR SPACE FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THAT ENTRY INTO THE PUBLIC LOBBY LOBBY WITH AN IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO, UH, POLICE RECORDS WHERE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WOULD, SOMEONE WOULD GREET YOU, UM, FROM THE POLICE SIDE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, TO THE, TO THE LEFT THERE, THE EFC DIRECT ENTRANCE INTO THE EFC, WHICH GIVES IT THAT ABILITY FOR, UM, FOR PUBLIC USE, IF YOU RECALL, UH, WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF THIS PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY CAN'T
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HAVE, UH, WINDOWS, THINGS LIKE SWAT STORAGE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, MECHANICAL ROOMS AND IDFS.SO A FAIRLY SIZABLE PART OF THE PROGRAM REALLY DOESN'T, UM, IS INCONDUCIVE TO OPENINGS.
AND THAT REALLY BY THE NATURE AND THE OPERATION, SORT OF, UH, PRACTICALITIES OF THIS PLAN, SORT OF PARKED ITSELF ON THAT SORT OF UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
AND, UH, IF YOU RECALL THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN SORT OF RESPONSE TO THIS BY CREATING THIS SORT OF ART PIECE THAT WRAPS THE CORNER WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE WINDOWS, BUT IT'S A HIGHLY VISIBLE CORNER.
AND THEN AT THE SECOND FLOOR, THE FIRE IS STACKS VERTICALLY.
SO THE, THE FIRE DORMS, UH, ALIGN OVER TOP OF, UH, THE FIRE PROGRAM AT THE FIRST FLOOR CIRCULATION CORE STACK THE SERVICES AGAIN, AT THAT UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER STACK.
SO IT STARTS TO DRIVE THIS SORT OF VERY LOGICAL, VERY EFFICIENT PLAN FOR FIRE AND FOR POLICE.
AND IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN AS WELL.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WE REALLY THOUGHT OF THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF PEOPLE, PLACE AND PROGRAM.
AND I, I SPOKE ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS, UM, AT THE STUDY SESSION.
UM, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE SITTING HERE, I WAS LOOKING OVER AT YOUR, UM, WHAT DOES PETALUMA WANT TO BE? AND I SAW SOME MANY OF THE SAME THEMES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN TERMS OF SAFETY, UH, CIVICNESS SUSTAINABILITY, UH, ALL OUR THEMES THAT WE REALLY, UM, CONNECTED WITH IN THE DESIGN OF THIS IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING OF IT, THE SITE PLANNING, THE BUILDING PLANNING, AND NOW THE ARCHITECTURE.
LOOKING BACK AT, UM, HOW WE, UH, THAT TRANSLATES INTO HOW WE THINK ABOUT THE DESIGN NOW IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY AND ECONOMY, LOOKING AT THE TILT WALL CONCRETE TO PROVIDE SORT OF, UH, THREE THINGS IN ONE SECURITY, THERMAL, UM, UH, PROTECTION AND, UM, SPEED AND EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF COST AND STRUCTURE REALLY FOR THINGS IN ONE.
UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, UH, AGRARIAN PASS, AND REALLY NOW LOOKING AT, UH, MORE GENERALLY PETAL MOVEMENTS, UH, A GROWING IMPASSE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE CIVICNESS AND THE PERFORMANCE FROM THE POLICE AND FIRE STANDPOINT MATERIALS.
UM, THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, UH, REALLY, UM, TRYING TO CONNECT TO ALL THOSE FEATURES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BRINGING IN WARMTH OF WOOD, STARTING TO BRING IN MORE COLOR, UM, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THIS THROUGH ITS LENS OF SUSTAINABILITY IN, IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROTECT OPENINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT, UM, USING MORE ENERGY THAN WE NEED TO, AND HOW WE BUILD IT IN TERMS OF, UH, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE A TILT WALL DO THREE THINGS AT ONCE.
SO THERE'S A INHERENT EFFICIENCY AND RESILIENCY IN THAT.
SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE SORT OF BEFORE AND AFTER SLIDES.
SO THIS IS THE RENDERING OF THE FRONT OF, UH, THE FACILITY THAT YOU SAW AT THE STUDY SESSION.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS HAD THE, UH, CORRUGATED, UH, CONCRETE FORMED, UH, TILT WALL.
IT HAD THE WOOD UMLA WALL AT THE ENTRY AND THAT SORT OF CANOPY OVER THE ENTRY AND CAN START TO SEE THE TURE ON THE LEFT.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FEEDBACK WE, WE GOT, AND I THINK YOUR TEXT IS COVERING ALL MY WRITING HERE, BUT UH, PAUL COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
UM, REALLY WHAT WE HEARD WAS, YOU KNOW, IT FELT COLD IS A WAY TO MAKE IT WARMER.
WAS THERE A WAY TO BRING IN MORE COLOR? UM, IS THERE A WAY TO BREAK DOWN THE SCALE IN TERMS OF, UM, COLOR AND OR, UH, FORM? SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE REALLY, UH, LOOKED AT.
AND THIS IS THE NEW VIEW FROM JOHNSON.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING BACK AT THE MAIN ENTRY.
SO STRAIGHT AHEAD IS THE ENTRY INTO THAT LOBBY AREA.
TO THE RIGHT IS THE EOC, SO THAT'S THAT WOOD SLAT THAT'S PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, PROTECTION.
UH, UM, UH, AT THE EOC, UH, YOU CAN STILL SEE THE ARMATURE ON THE LEFT THAT'S WRAPPING THE, THE CORNER OF JOHNSON AND KENNELWORTH.
YOU CAN SEE THAT AREA ON THE RIGHT THAT HAS THE COLOR.
THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR A MURAL THAT SITS BETWEEN THE APPARATUS BAY AND THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE MUCH LATER COLOR BOARD FORMED, UH, TILT WALL IN THIS, UH, IMAGE.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE WINDOW SHADES, UH,
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THE SUN SHADING THAT GOES AROUND THE WINDOWS.UH, IT WRAPS THE WINDOW INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF GOING SORT OF FULL HEIGHT AND PAST THE WINDOW, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE, EVEN ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD, THERE WAS A, MAYBE A CONCERN ABOUT TOO MUCH VERTICALITY.
THE CANOPY, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, VERSION OF THIS WAS SORT OF A LIGHTER, THINNER CANOPY.
WE BEEF THAT CANOPY UP AND PUT IN COLUMNS, SO IT HAD A SORT OF A VOLUME TO IT.
SO NOW IT STARTS TO BREAK DOWN THE OVERALL MASS OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF SCALE.
THE APPARATUS BAY, I THINK WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IS A DARKER COLOR CONCRETE.
SO THERE'S A SORT OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE, UH, TWO STORY AND THE ONE STORY TO CREATE, BREAK DOWN THAT MASS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
EVEN THE, UM, ITEMS OF, UM, LIKE THE WINDOW SHADES AND THAT SORT OF DEEP COPING THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP, THAT'S CASTING A SHADOW, EVEN THAT IS A LIGHTER COLOR KIND OF TO MATCH THE WOODS.
SO WE'RE BRIGHTENING IT UP, WE'RE BRINGING IT A LOT MORE SORT OF NATURAL COLORS.
AND THEN COLOR IN GENERAL IS BEING ADDED.
THIS IS A, A CLOSER END VIEW OF WHAT, UM, WE WERE HERE DURING THE, UH, WHAT WE SHOWED DURING THE STUDY SESSION.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE NEW VIEW, JUST SORT OF ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU CAN SEE, YOU START TO SEE HERE THAT CANOPY A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE COLUMNS AND HOW THAT SORT OF STARTS TO CREATE A VOLUME AND BREAKS DOWN THE SCALE OF THAT TWO STORY MASS, PARTICULARLY AT THE FRONT ENTRY AND REALLY HEIGHTENS IT, AND I THINK GIVES IT MORE SORT OF A CIVIC, UH, PRESENCE AS WELL.
ZOOMING IN CLOSER, COMING IN REALLY CLOSE NOW.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE A PLACE TO PUT THE STEADY SEAL? AND I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENT COM, UM, COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD WAS REFERENCING ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE THE STEADY SEAL WAS, UM, UM, ENGRAVED INTO A CONCRETE OR IN FRONT OF A BUILDING.
AND WE SAID WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF OUTTA SIGHT NOW VIEW.
SO WE LOOKED, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS AN ETCHED, UM, ITEM, UH, RIGHT AT THE MAIN ENTRY THAT'LL MAKE A, YOU'LL SEE THIS IN A LATER, MAKE A GREAT BACKDROP FOR A, UH, PRESS CONFERENCE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IN FRONT OF THE POLICE OR FIRE STATION.
SO IT'S A SORT OF A GREAT, UM, TRIBUTE TO THE CITY THERE.
THIS IS LOOKING BACK DOWN, UH, JOHNSON STREET.
AND THIS WAS THE, UH, AGAIN, THE OVERVIEW WHERE EVERYTHING WAS, UH, THE GRAY COLOR EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRY, UH, AREA THERE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF BREAKDOWN IN TERMS OF COLOR BETWEEN THE, UH, ARMATURE, SORRY, THE BETWEEN THE APPARATUS BAY AND THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
UH, WE'RE BRINGING THE WOOD, UH, SLAT WALL OVER INTO THAT APPARATUS BAY AS WELL AS WELL SORT OF CONNECTING, UH, THOSE TWO IN A WAY, BUT STILL SEPARATING THEM IN, IN TERMS OF COLOR OVERALL, UH, WITH AND SEPARAT 'EM WITH THAT, UH, MURAL THAT YOU SEE IN THE, THAT YOU SEE IN THE CENTER.
JUST ANOTHER VIEW, LOOKING STRAIGHT BACK AT THE, AT THE ENTRY, UH, CANOPY ELEMENT AND THE, UH, FIRE APPARATUS, THEY, AND, UH, JUST WANNA NOTE, THERE'S A DALMATIAN IN THERE FOR THE FIRE CHIEF.
I JUST WANNA, IF I GET THAT
AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS THE VIEW YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST MENTION TOO, YOU CAN KINDA SEE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO PLAY A LOT, A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE PLANT GROUPINGS HERE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A MONOTONOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANT UH, PALETTE, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE CAN START TO INTRODUCE DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT GROUPINGS AND ZONES THAT START TO ARTICULATE, UM, MORE OF THAT GARDEN LIKE FEEL IN THAT PARK-LIKE SETTING.
AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ELLSWORTH AT THAT SORT OF EAST FACADE.
YOU SEEING THAT ARMATURE FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS.
AND THEN SORT OF A, AND THIS IS STILL A PLACEHOLDER TO SOME EXTENT, THIS IS STILL LIKE THE, WHERE THE PUBLIC ART GOES AT THAT CORNER.
SO THERE'S CAN BE AN EVOLUTION OF THIS AND MAYBE IT GETS MORE COLORFUL, HOPEFULLY IT GETS MORE COLORFUL, MORE INTERESTING, AND MAYBE EVEN MORE NARRATIVE BASE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PETALUMA.
BUT, UM, CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO OCCUR.
AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING DOWN KENWORTH ALONG, UH, THAT, UH, EAST FACADE YOU'RE SEEING FURTHER IN THE BACK.
YOU'RE SEEING THE, THE SUPPORT BUILDING, THE, UM, THE OUT SORT OF THE OUTBUILDING AND THAT WALL THAT BECOMES FENCE, UH, FURTHER DOWN YOU CAN SEE IT HERE.
SO ON THE, ON THE RIGHT IS THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT ARE, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANS TWO TRANSFORMERS AND THERE'S TWO TRANSFORMERS THERE.
WE'RE GONNA SCREEN THOSE WITH A PERFORATED FENCE SO YOU DON'T SEE THEM, BUT THEY'RE STILL ACCESSIBLE BY THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
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CMU, UH, BLOCK, UM, WALL THAT IS IN SOME PLACES, UH, FENCE AND IN SOME PLACES WALL AROUND THOSE SUPPORT BUILDINGS, UH, THAT HAS A SORT OF A TWO-TONE BLOCK, UM, TO ANIMATE THAT.AND THEN OF COURSE, LANDSCAPING AS, UM, LANCE MENTIONED.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN ITS FENCE WITH HEDGE IN FRONT OF IT TO SCREEN THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE NEXT IMAGE.
THIS IS SORT OF, IF YOU TURN ALL THE WAY AROUND, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SOUTHERN POINT OF THE SITE, UM, THE, TO THE RIGHT IS THE ENTRY.
YOU CAN SEE A POLICE CAR, UH, POINT IN THERE.
UM, AND BEHIND THE HEDGE IS THE FENCE.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE COULDN'T REALLY PLANT TREES 'CAUSE SOMEONE COULD CLIMB TREE, CLIMB A TREE, WE CAN PLANT A HEDGE 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T CLIMB A HEDGE.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN ON THE LEFT IS THE, IS THE DRIVE, UH, WITH THOSE TREES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT, UM, OFF, TECHNICALLY OFF THE SITE, BUT BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE PARKING LOT TO THE LEFT.
AND THEN THIS SHOWS THAT PUBLIC PLAZA IN A SORT OF INSTANCE WHERE IT IS, UM, A, UM, AN EVENT SPACE IN THIS, IN THIS CASE WE JUST SORT OF SHOWED AS IF IT WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE, UM, TAKING PLACE IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE MAIN ENTRY.
UM, ONE THING YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON THE GROUND HERE IS THE, THE GROUND IS, IS THE PARKING LOT IS NOT ASPHALT, IT'S NOT CONCRETE, IT'S A PAVER.
UH, SO THIS GIVES IT TEXTURE AND WARMTH AND REALLY PEDESTRIANIZE IT FOR THE TIMES WHEN THIS BECOMES, UM, AN EVENT SPACE.
AND THEN THIS IS ZOOMING OUT, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, UM, FROM, UH, SORT OF THE, UH, NORTHEAST OR NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, LOOKING BACK AT THE SITE.
SO SEEING THE TWO STORY BUILDING ON THE LEFT, UH, WITH THE, UH, PARKING PLAZA IN FRONT, AND THEN THE APPARATUS, UH, BAY ON THE RIGHT WITH THE, WITH THE APPARATUS, BAY APRON, YOU CAN SEE THAT MATERIALITY SORT OF COMING ACROSS AND CONNECTING THEM.
AND THEN THE NEXT THREE SLIDES ARE REALLY JUST MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT MATERIALS.
SO, UM, SORT OF GOING FROM THE UPPER RIGHT AND WRAPPING AROUND THE, THE WOOD, UH, BOARD FORMED, UM, TILT WALL.
UH, BELOW THAT IS THE PLACEHOLDER FOR THE, UH, ART MURAL THAT WOULD OCCUR BETWEEN THE UPPER ASAY AND THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
AND THEN THE WOOD SLATS, WHICH OCCUR AT THE ENTRY.
UM, THE WOOD SLAT CEILING AT, AT THE CANOPY IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE IN THIS RENDERING, BUT ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY IS A WOOD SLAT CEILING.
SO THAT WHOLE SORT OF WOOD SLAT WRAPS AROUND, CREATES SORT OF A VOLUME TO IT AS WELL.
AND THEN THOSE L-SHAPED SUNSCREENS AROUND THE WINDOW TO SHADE THOSE WINDOWS REALLY EFFECTIVELY.
UH, FROM THAT, UH, FROM THE SUN, UM, THE CITY OF, UH, PETALUMA SEAL THAT YOU SEE, UM, SO ETCHED THE GLASS RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTRY.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK, UM, FROM, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE WEST AT ALONG JOHNSON, THE, FROM THE UPPER LEFT, THE MURAL PLACEHOLDER.
UM, THERE'S A SMALL CANOPY OVER THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS AGAIN TO CREATE SOME DEPTH AND SHADOW ALONG THAT FACADE.
SO THAT'S A METAL AND THAT'S AT GRAY METAL.
THE COPING THAT SITS ON THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
AND THE ONE STORY BUILDING IS A, A MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA IT'S ALUMINUM THAT'S GONNA BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WOOD.
SO WE'RE CARRYING THAT, THE WARMTH OF THAT COLOR THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROJECT.
AND THEN AGAIN, BOARD FORMED, UM, CONCRETE WITH A DARKER CONCRETE AT THE APPARATUS BAY TO SORT OF SEPARATE THEM, UH, TONALLY.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE, THE WOOD SLAT THAT OCCURS BETWEEN THE, UH, APPARATUS BAY DOORS, UM, THAT CARRIES OVER THAT WOOD SLAT LANGUAGE FROM THE MAIN ENTRY.
AND THEN, UH, UM, THE APPARATUS BAY FIRE DOORS IN THAT SORT OF FIRE ENGINE RED.
AND THEN LOOKING DOWN KENNELS WORTH STARTING FROM THE LEFT FURTHER DOWN.
IT'S A PICKET FENCE THAT HAS LANDSCAPING PLANTED IN FRONT OF IT TO SORT OF MASK THAT.
AND THEN THE TWO IMAGES AT THE TOP ARE THE CMU, UM, BLOCK ALONG THE FENCE AND WALL THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE, UM, THE, UH, THE SUPPORT BUILDING.
SO SOME OF THE BLOCK IS A SPLIT FACE BLOCK, WHICH IS SORT OF A, HAS A, A, A TEXTURE TO IT, IF YOU WILL.
AND THE OTHER BLOCK IS A, IS A, WHAT'S CALLED A, UM, PRECISION BLOCK.
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A POLISHED BLOCK.IT HAS A SLIGHT POLISH TO IT, SO IT'S A, HAS A VERY NICE TEXTURE TO IT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE LOWER RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S A PERFORATED METAL, UH, IN FRONT OF THE TRANSFORMERS THAT OCCUR ON THE CORNER.
AND AGAIN, YOU, YES, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ANTENNA, UH, BEHIND HERE, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL THE OTHER VIEWS EXCEPT FOR THE BIRD'S EYE.
YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT BECAUSE IT'S TOO FAR BACK AND IT'S NOT TALL ENOUGH.
AND THE BUILDING'S TALL ENOUGH, IT REALLY BLOCKS IT FROM ANY, UNLESS MAYBE YOU GOT A MILE BACK, YOU'D SEE IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GET PRETTY FAR BACK TO SAY IT.
ANY MORE PRESENTERS FROM THE APPLICANT SIDE? OKAY.
UM, IN THAT CASE, LET'S MOVE TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR APPLICANTS.
I'VE GOT ONE TO KICK ONE OFF IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO
OR MAYBE I'LL ANSWER IT THERE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE A, I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS GOES TO, PROBABLY MIKE.
UM, AN EXPLANATION OF THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS AND SORT OF HOW THAT SLOTS INTO THIS TIMELINE.
AND, UH, REVIEW AUTHORITIES, PLEASE CHAIR.
WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST, MELISSA ABERCROMBIE HERE THIS EVENING, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CALL HER UP.
AND IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE PROJECT TEAM.
I'M MELISSA ABERCROMBIE, THE CITY OF PUBLIC, THE CITY OF PETALUMA PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST.
IN, UM, THE FIRST DOCUMENTS YOU'LL FIND, UH, OUTLINE OF AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT IS MULTI, MULTI-PHASED.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF IN BETWEEN A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO, WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING THE ART LEADS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WILL BE DIRECTING THE ART PIECE.
AND THEN WE ARE CONFIRMING BUDGET AND THE PLAN INTEGRATION ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.
PAUL AND I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE FOR THE PREFERRED ART PLACEMENT.
WE CREATED MULTIPLE OPTIONS AS THIS, AS THE BUDGET MOVES FORWARD, THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN START WITH, LIKE A LEAD ANCHOR PROJECT.
AND THEN WITH OUR CAPABILITIES OF REMAINING BUDGET MOVE INTO OTHER PROJECTS ON SITE.
UH, UM, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS PHASE ZERO.
PHASE ONE IS DEFINING THE GOALS, THE SITES AND THE COMPLIANCE PATH.
SO THAT IS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, WE HAVE A PROCUREMENT PATH, WHICH WILL BE COMMISSIONING ARTWORK OR ARTISTS.
RIGHT NOW, THE PREFERRED PLACEMENT IS THE ARCHITECTURAL METAL ELEMENT ON THE CORNER PIECE THAT YOU SEE ON JOHNSON DRIVE AND ON KENWORTH.
UM, HOW THAT WOULD WORK IS THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH A, PROBABLY A STEEL FABRICATOR OR SOME KIND OF METAL FABRICATOR THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
WE WOULD LOOK, AND RIGHT NOW I'M RESEARCHING MATERIALS TO SEE HOW IT WOULD INTERACT WITH THE WALL, WITH WEATHER, WHAT KIND OF TREATMENTS WE WOULD NEED, WHAT THE WEIGHT LOAD WOULD BE, AND INCORPORATE THAT WITH, UM, PAUL'S PLAN FOR HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE SUPPORTS FOR WITHIN THE BUILDING AND THE LIGHTING THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
WITH THAT KIND OF A PLAN, WE CAN WORK WITH A VARIETY OF ARTISTS TO CREATE THE IMAGERY THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.
THERE'S BEEN A PREFERENCE TO DO SOME STORYTELLING NARRATIVES ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE ABOUT SAFETY OR RESPONSIVENESS.
UM, WE'LL DEVELOP WHAT THAT NARRATIVE IS AS WE GO ALONG WITHIN THE PROJECT AND WORK WITH A, A TEAM OF STAKEHOLDERS TO REALLY CREATE THAT NARRATIVE.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WILL WORK TO IDENTIFY THE, THE STORYTELLER OR THE ART CREATOR.
THERE'LL BE POINTS FOR PUBLIC INTERACTION THROUGHOUT THIS WHERE THEY CAN COME TO OUR MEETINGS.
DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF, UM, PROGRAMMING WE WANNA DO.
WE MAY OFFER A CHARETTE OR SOME KIND OF INTERACTIVE STAKEHOLDER PUBLIC ABILITY TO INVEST OR PROVIDE COMMENTS.
UM, PHASE THREE WILL BE MORE OF A, THE CONCEPT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THE EARLY STAGES, THAT'S WHEN PUBLIC ART WOULD SEE IT AS LIKE A, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, THIS IS WHEN WE DEVELOP OUR R-F-P-R-F-Q, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF PROCESS WE WANNA DO.
AND THEN WE WILL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SELECTION PROCESS.
UM, STAGE FOUR'S, CONTRACTING PERMITS AND FABRICATION.
THE IDEA IS THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, THE BUILDING CAN WORK ON THE BUILDING AND THAT WE'LL STEP IN, PROBABLY OUR ELEMENTS WILL BE ADDED LAST.
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TIMEFRAME THAT DOESN'T NEED TO DELAY THE PROJECT AT ALL.WE WILL JUST HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TO SUPPORT IT ALONG THE WAY.
WE RECOGNIZE THE URGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE IDEA THAT IT'D BE A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, PHASE FIVE WOULD BE INSTALLING THE ARTWORK WITH FINAL COMPLIANCE AND OCCUPANCY.
STAGE SIX WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE IN HERE.
IT'S IDENTIFIED AS ACCESSIBILITY AND SHAPING THE EXPERIENCE, BUT IT, THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.
IT'D REALLY BE HAVING A MANUAL FOR MAINTENANCE, UH, A PLAN FOR LONG-TERM CONSERVATION AND WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT WE'LL NEED AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, RIBBON CUTTING OR SOME KIND OF CELEBRATION.
IDEALLY, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE TWO PROJECTS OUT OF THIS AS WE HAVE THE DESIGNATED MURAL WALL.
WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'D LOVE TO SEE WITHIN THAT CDO CORRIDOR.
THAT WOULD BE HUMAN SCALE, PEDESTRIAN BASED PROJECTS.
BUT IT'S REALLY GONNA DEPEND ON THE BO BUDGET AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC ART RELATED QUESTIONS? THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
SO, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CORNER WHERE WE'RE LIKELY LOOKING AT SOME METAL FABRICATION, ALL OF WHICH WILL HAPPEN, UM, WITH PUBLIC INPUT, BUT NOT HOLD UP ANY OF THE ACTUAL FACILITY, UM, BUILDING PROCESS.
AND THEN ALSO THE MURAL BETWEEN THE TWO, THE TWO STORY AND THE APPARATUS BAY.
I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, AND PERHAPS THE ANSWER IS BUDGET DEPENDENT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT SUPPORT STRUCTURE THAT'S ALONG KENNELWORTH IDEAL.
IDEALLY, WE'RE CREATING SPACE FOR FUTURE PUBLIC ART AS WELL.
WE'RE HOPING THAT AS PROJECTS HAPPEN WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS.
UM, AS THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE CURRENTLY WORKS, ALL PUBLIC ART PLACEMENTS ARE ON PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IF WE WANNA DO A CERTAIN TYPE OF PIECE.
SO WITH THIS LOCATION, WE'RE ACTUALLY OPENING THE ABILITY FOR FUTURE LOCATIONS.
'CAUSE I KNOW FROM OUR PRIORITY LIST, ONE OF THEM IS A PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS OVER THE 1 0 1.
AND KNOWING THAT THIS COULD CREATE A REALLY GREAT CIVIC SPACE FOR PEDESTRIAN USE THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY THERE, WE'RE OPENING UP THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND THOSE CONNECTIONS.
AND WE'VE ALSO MADE A LOT OF INVESTMENTS IN THE AREA.
SO THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD AN ARTISTIC CONNECTION TO THE FAIRGROUNDS, TO THE LIBRARY, TO THE NEW KENILWORTH TEEN CENTER MURAL, EVEN ALONG THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL COMPONENTS THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN RECENTLY.
SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT AND INTEGRAL LOCATION TO START STREAMING TOGETHER ALL THESE ASSETS.
SO WE HOPE THAT THEY CAN INCREASE USABILITY FOR OUR PEDESTRIANS.
TO THAT END, DOES THE MASONRY CHOICE OF THAT SUPPORT STRUCTURE HELP OR HURT FUTURE PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITIES? IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY IDEAL FOR THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE IT IS CONCRETE, WE'RE ABLE TO ALREADY IDENTIFY THAT WE'D LIKE THAT AREA BEHIND THERE TO BE SMOOTH.
SO IT REFLECTS LIGHT EVENLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE CHOOSE TO LIGHT THE PIECE, THE MURAL, IT'S, WE'RE ALREADY SETTING UP THE WALLS FOR THAT.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION IN THESE EARLY CONVERSATIONS THAT REALLY WILL FACILITATE AN OPTIMUM ENVIRONMENT FOR ART.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THEIR CHOICES.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC ART QUESTIONS WHILE WE HAVE AT THE PODIUM? THANKS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER KUSON? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IT WAS NICE TO SEE ALL THE CHANGES AND SEE THE FEEDBACK, UH, BEING TAKEN.
IN A QUICK QUESTION ON TREE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT IT WOULD MAYBE GO TOWARD FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, HOW DO WE TRACK THAT? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT SHOWS UP ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY OR WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WAY WE MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, FOR NOW, IT'S CONDITIONED WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, THAT IT, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE IT.
UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY HAS AN IN LIEU FEE, WHICH, UM, WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW TO PROVIDE FOR THAT, BUT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW FOR ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE, THE PROPERTY, THE, THE GREATER FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY.
UM, I'LL, I'LL DEFER THE REMAINDER OF THIS ANSWER TO, UM, PLANNING MANAGER TRIPLE.
UM, I THINK ALSO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND THE RECOGNITION THAT THE PROJECT DOES NEED TO PROVIDE FOR TREE PLANTING AND THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT TREE PLANTING, UM, SORT OF MELTS SEAMLESSLY INTO THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT'S VERY HIGH PROFILE.
SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WITH THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE AWARENESS THAT, UM, FUTURE PLANS FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS WILL ACCOMMODATE IT.
SO WE CAN STAPLE ON THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN.
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INCLUDED IN THERE.DARREN, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUICK AD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT'S SHOWN THERE, SO THE TREES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MEET THE CRITERIA ARE THOSE ONES IN THE FRONT AND A FEW IN THE BACK, BUT THE ONES TO THE FAR RIGHT, THOSE ACTUALLY AREN'T ON THE PARCEL FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT THEY'RE SHOWN IN THERE AS THOSE POTENTIAL FUTURE TREES.
SO THOSE AREN'T PART OF THE COUNT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE PLANS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY, HEY, IN THE FUTURE THOSE COULD BE THERE.
AND, AND PAUL'S, PAUL'S PRETTY GOOD AT PUTTING TREES WHEREVER HE WANTS TO.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO OTHER FORESEEN USE RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S A GOOD AREA.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
BUT TO ANDREW'S POINT, IT IS PART OF THAT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SEE IS ENVISIONING WITH THE MASTER PLAN HAD PROBABLY PUT A TREES ALL AROUND THAT PERIMETER, THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY FENCE LINE.
THAT'S THE FUTURE WE'RE PLANNING FOR WITH THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME SOME CLARITY THERE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS, MIGHT BE FOR THE DESIGN TEAM, I JUST NOTICED, NOT A SILLY QUESTION, BUT THE OLD TOWER WAS WHITE AND THEN THIS ONE HAS GONE A LOT DARKER.
WAS THAT JUST CONTRAST WITH THE NEW BUILDING MATERIALS? YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING LIGHTENED UP AND SO IT MADE SENSE TO HAVE THE TOWER, THE, UM, ANTENNA CONTRAST WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IN THE PRIOR RENDERINGS IT WAS LOOKING AT, IT WAS LIKE A STARK WHITE COLOR.
UH, SO I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHAT WENT INTO THAT.
UH, IF YOU COULD DO, USE THE MICROPHONE JUST TO, SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET UP FOR THAT, BUT NO, NO, NO WORRIES.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, I GUESS IN OUR, IN OUR BOOK, SOMETHING DARKER GOES AWAY MORE THAN SOMETHING THAT'S BRIGHT AND LIGHT.
UH, AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE LIGHTING DIAGRAM THAT THERE WAS A RED LINE YET.
JUST QUICK QUESTION, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE LIGHTING IS BACKLIT.
IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A RED LINE THERE ON THE LIGHTING DIAGRAM TO INDICATE THERE WOULD BE LIGHTING THERE, BUT ON ON WHAT? ON THE ART, THE ART PIECE ON THE, UH, FRONT LETTERING FOR PETALUMA POLICE FIRE.
UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION ABOUT, OR COMMENT ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE MONOPOLE.
IF THE COMMISSION HAS A PREFERENCE FOR A COLOR OR SOME GUIDANCE FOR, UM, THE PLANNING DIVISION, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO RECEIVE THAT THIS EVENING.
I GUESS
THE, THE CURRENT MONOPOLE AT THE POLICE STATION IS LIGHT OR JUST LOOKS LIKE STEEL BASICALLY.
IS THAT GOING TO BE PORTED OVER TO THIS OR? WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A BRAND SPAN, A NEW MONOPOLE BRAND NEW BRAND NEW.
SO WE'RE NOT REPURPOSING EXISTING ANTENNA.
SO WE DO HAVE A CHOICE OF COLOR.
I DO THINK THE DARK LOOKS GOOD.
AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE CONDITION, I BELIEVE READS THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT A COLOR WOULD, IT WOULD BE A FLAT COLOR.
IT WOULD BE CHOSEN TO BLEND IN WITH, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT, THE SURROUNDINGS.
UM, BUT IT IS A DIRECTOR DETERMINATION OF SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE, IF THERE'S SOME GUIDANCE, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I APPRECIATE THE, THE THOUGHTFUL INCORPORATION OF OUR FEEDBACK.
UM, THE WINDOWS ARE THE WINDOWS OPERABLE ON THIS, UM, FACILITY? OKAY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S.
THERE, THERE ARE OPERABLE AREAS, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE, UM, THE, THE BACKSIDE WHERE THE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS, UM, SPACES AND WHERE THE FITNESS AREAS THAT HAS SOME OPERABLE DOORS THAT OPEN UP AND ALLOW THOSE SPACES TO BREATHE AND CONNECT TO THE OUTDOOR.
BUT THE STANDARD WINDOWS AND, UH, OFFICES DON'T OPEN THE WINDOWS IN THE, UH, IN THE DORMS WILL HAVE OPERABLE WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BY CODE.
THAT WAS A, UM, AND THEN SO THE SIGNAGE, UM, ON THE, THE SIGNAGE, THERE'S THE, THE FIRE STATION FOUR, THAT ONE'S PRETTY CLEAR.
THEN IT'S PETALUMA POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN THE ONE ON THE GROUND SAYS PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN CALLING THIS PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE HELL'S THE NAME.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING UNIFORM IN THERE? I GUESS I, I CAN KIND OF ANSWER THAT ONE.
UM, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS WE JUST HAD INITIALLY PEDAL IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, BUT, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT
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PEOPLE.AND I, WE THOUGHT, I THINK BRIAN SPECIFICALLY THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE POLICE STATION, WHETHER IT'S EXCHANGING CHILDREN OR LOOKING FOR HELP THAT POLICE NEEDED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED.
UH, SO THOUGH IT IS THE BIG PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT SIGNAGE IN THE FRONT THAT I CAN'T NOW FIND.
UM, WE FELT HAVING IT OVER THE MAIN ENTRY, UH, PETALUMA POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS 'CAUSE FIRE ADMIN AND POLICE ADMIN ARE ALL THROUGH THAT FRONT DOOR.
AND EVEN TO REACH THE FIRE STATION, THE FIRE STATION IS ACTUALLY IN THE TWO STORY BUILDING A PART OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
SO EVEN TO REACH THE FIRE STATION, YOU GO THROUGH THAT MAIN ENTRYWAY.
UM, BUT TO IDENTIFY IT AS A FIRE STATION WITH THE BIGGER APPARATUS SPAY DOORS, WE FIGURED NAMING IT FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO HOPEFUL, HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS AND MAKES SOMEWHAT SENSE.
UM, IT HELPS, UH,
UM, AND THEN, SO MY, MY OTHER QUESTION IS REALLY CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAZA, THE ONE FROM THE ZOOMED OUT PLAZA? UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS, UM, YEAH,
UM, CAN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE ENVISION OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, A PRESS CONFERENCE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHAT IS THE, WHAT GOES ON IN THIS PLAZA OTHER THAN PARKING? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'D USE THIS SPACE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE COMMUNITY ACADEMY GOING ON IN MY BUILDING.
WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATIONS.
WE HAVE YOUTH GROUPS RIGHT NOW.
UM, DURING THE WEEK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER'S GIRL SCOUT TROOP HAS COME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY COME OVER AT FIVE O'CLOCK DURING COMMUTE HOUR AT DUSK ON THE BOULEVARD, WHICH IF, YOU KNOW, THAT ROADWAY IS USED TO BE 1 0 1 FREEWAY, IT'S BUSY, UM, WITH SEVEN YEAR OLDS AND IT'S LOUD.
AND, UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS AND, AND GROUPS.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE ENVISIONING THIS BEING WHERE WE HAVE OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT DISPLAY DAY AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHERE WE COULD HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UM, ON THE FAIRGROUNDS AND IN THE FRONT PARKING LOT OF THE POLICE FACILITY, UM, WHERE WE CAN HAVE DRONE DISPLAYS OR YOUTH YOUTH ACADEMY OR, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ANY, ANY KIND OF EVENT WHATSOEVER.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR PARKS AND RECS TEAM IS ALREADY TRYING TO RSVP AND, AND LOG IN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY EVENTS IN THOSE SPACES AS WELL.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK LANCE, LANCE MAY BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I, THE WAY WE POSITION SOME OF THE PARKING SPOTS.
UM, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE WITH SOME OF THE TREES, BUT WHEN YOU COME INTO THE PARKING LOT AND KIND OF TURN TO THE LEFT, THERE'S TWO INITIAL PARKING SPOTS AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF A LANDSCAPING ISLAND.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT LANDSCAPING ISLAND, UM, IS KIND OF MORE OF A BROADER PLAZA AREA.
AND SO WE CAN BREAK UP AND ALMOST BLOCK OFF THAT AREA AND HAVE PARKING STILL AVAILABLE FOR OPERATIONS, BUT HAVE A SECURED AREA THAT WE CAN HAVE IT DESIGNATED FOR COMMUNITY SPACE, UM, AND STILL HAVE FUNCTIONS AND ACTIVITIES GOING ON AND GATHERINGS.
AND SO I THINK IT CAN BE, UM, DUAL PURPOSE, DUAL FUNCTION AT, AT ALL TIMES.
AND SO, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY FLEXIBLE AND I THINK WE HEARD SOME OF THAT COME FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY WHILE ALSO NOT JUST DESIGNATING IT SINGULARLY AS JUST PARKING.
UM, AND SO WE, WE TRIED TO HAVE IT MUL BE MULTIPURPOSE FOR THAT, THAT NEED.
IS THERE ANY SEATING? UH, I THINK I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE BENCHES TO SOME DEGREE OUT THERE.
I, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I THINK THERE'S SOME BOLLARDS ALONG THAT WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE KIND OF PEDESTAL SEATING IN THAT AREA, UM, THAT VERY EASILY WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR THAT.
I THINK TO BE CANDID IN SOME DEGREE IN, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SETTING, WE'RE ALSO SENSITIVE TO NOT CREATING TOO MUCH SEATING BECAUSE SOME OF IT, IT BECOMES CHALLENGING FOR US TO DISCOURAGE SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT FREQUENT OUR FACILITY.
I KNOW WE ALSO TRY TO FIND THAT FINE BALANCE OF WELCOMING THAT AND THEN ALSO, UM, DISCOURAGING THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE FOR THE VERY MUCH THAT PLAZA
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AREA.AND SO ADDING BENCHES AND, AND SOME OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT LIKE THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WHERE THERE'S THOSE, UM, THOSE UH, PAINTED KIND OF STEEL, STEEL, UH, BENCHES THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY FIT IN THROUGHOUT THAT AREA.
I'LL HOLD THE REST FOR COMMENTS.
SIMILARLY TO, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMMENTS IF WHILE WE'RE HERE ON THIS SLIDE AND I'M SORT OF TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO SOME VISUALS AND ATTACHMENT FIVE, IS THAT WHERE WE SEE THIS MOPED HERE, THE WHITE MOPED? IS THAT THE ONLY IN AND OUT FOR THE PARKING LOT? YES.
SO THEN INEVITABLY YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR PARKING SPACES THROUGH THE PLAZA.
IS THAT, ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY? YEAH, YEAH.
SO THERE'S THE ONES IN AND THEN THERE'S I THINK NINE THAT GO BACK IN DEEPER.
SO WE HAD TWO IN DESIGNATED AND THOSE TWO OFF TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S NINE DEEPER, UM, BACK IN, OR I MIGHT HAVE MY COUNTS OFF ACTUALLY SIX SIX THIS SIDE OF THE DIVIDER.
UM, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE I CAN ENVISION HOW YOU WOULD DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COFFEE WITH A COP OR SOMETHING HERE IN THIS PLAZA IF THE MAJORITY OF YOUR PARKING IS THROUGH THE PROGRAMMING SPACE? SURE.
I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT POINT IS WE CLEARLY ARE REALLY ACCUSTOMED TO DOING TRAFFIC CONTROL AND EVENT MANAGEMENT.
AND SO WE ARE ENVISIONING UTILIZING SOME OF THE ADJOINING PARKING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PARCEL AND ENCOURAGING INDIVIDUALS TO PARK OVER THERE.
WE'D NAVIGATE 'EM OVER, HOPEFULLY WE'D ALSO ENCOURAGE 'EM TO USE THE REALLY, UM, EASILY NAVIGABLE MULTI-USE PATHS THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING THROUGH THE PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY BIKE OR WALK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE FACILITY, UM, AND GET 'EM OVER TO THE PROJECT THAT WAY.
AND SO WE'D HAVE AMPLE POLICE PERSONNEL TO HOPEFULLY DO THAT AND BE OUT THERE IN FULL FORCE TO, TO FACILITATE THAT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE HEARD WAS, UH, SHARED SPACE.
YOU KNOW, PARKING IS PARKING, BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF TIMES WHEN THERE'S A, IF THERE'S AN E-O-C-E-O-C ACTIVATION, THERE'S A COMMUNITY EVENT USING THE EOC, THERE'S A TRAINING AT THE EOC, THEN IT'S THEN THAT PART OUT FRONT IS USED AS A, AS A PARKING LOT WHEN THERE'S A, AN EVENT WHERE WE WANNA USE THAT SPACE AS A PLAZA, THEN THERE'S JUST A FEW PARKING SPACES AS YOU ENTER FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE HAVE DISABILITIES AND NEED TO PARK UP CLOSE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT'S BLOCKED OFF AND STRICTLY USE A PLAZA AND ALTERNATE PARKING METHODS WILL BE USED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT'S HOW WE ENVISION IT MOST OF THE TIME.
IT LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT, BUT A GREAT SPACE TO ACTIVATE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT BRIAN EXPLAINED.
ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CLUSTERING OF TREES IN THE FRONT.
IS THERE ANY, UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE SITE, IS THERE, IS THERE POTENTIAL TO ALSO BRING TREES ACROSS THE STREET OVER AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR, UM, LIKE IN FRONT OF THE SKATE PARK? 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT SIDE OF THE STREET IS BASICALLY LIKE NOTHING, RIGHT? THERE'S VERY FEW TREES AND SO ACROSS JOHNSON, NORTH JOHNSON.
AND SO IT KIND OF JUST, IT JUST FEELS LIKE A BIG, YOU KNOW, WIDE STRETCH OF ASPHALT AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME TREES ON BOTH SIDES MIGHT HELP TO, TO GIVE IT MORE SORT OF LIKE GRAVITAS IN PLACE.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE BIG COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO SKATE IN THAT PARK IS THAT, UM, IT'S SUNNY AS HELL SOMETIMES AND IT GETS REALLY HOT AND THERE'S NO SHADE IN THE SKATE PARK.
SO PUTTING SOME TREES THERE MIGHT YEAH.
I, I THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG LIFT AT ALL TO DO THAT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE INTO THAT ROAD WITH IRRIGATION AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT OPENED UP.
IT WOULDN'T COST THE CITY A WHOLE LOT TO STICK AN IRRIGATION LINE OVER THERE AND PLANT SOME TREES.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A BARRIER.
THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED PRETTY EASILY, I THINK.
AND THEN IN JOHNSON, UM, SORRY, FINAL THING.
THERE'S, UH, CURRENTLY LIKE A, A PLANTED MEDIAN ON JOHNSON RIGHT NOW THAT HAS LIKE A BUNCH OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLANTS ARE.
CYPRESS OR JUNIPER OR WHATEVER.
ARE WE PLANNING TO LEAVE THOSE THERE OR IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME NICER TREES IN THAT AS WELL? YEAH, SO TO ALLOW FOR THE ARTICULATION OF THE ACTUAL, UM, APPARATUS TRUCKS COMING OUT OF THERE, THAT MEDIAN, UH, IS BEING REWORKED.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE LARGER, UH, TREES OR SPECIMEN WITHIN THAT SPACE, UH, FOR THE FACT OF JUST HAVING THE TRUCKS BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TURNS INTO THAT SPACE THERE.
SO IT'D BE MORE STRIPING VISTA PLANTING.
COMMISSIONER NER, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BIO RETENTION BASINS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE KIND OF RIGHT AT THAT MOST PROMINENT
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CORNER AT KENWORTH AND JOHNSON, SO, CORRECT.COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THOSE? YEAH, SO THE, THAT BASIN THERE FOLLOWS THE, UH, ACTUAL, UM, CITY STANDARD IN REGARDS TO BIO RETENTION BASINS.
UH, AND THE REASON WHY THAT ONE IS WITHIN THAT CORNER, THE OVERALL DISTANCE OF THE PARKING LOT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THIS SPACE TO BE FUNCTIONAL AS AN ACTUAL CIVIC PLAZA.
WE DON'T WANT TO INCUR A LOT OF SLOPING GRADE THERE.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY THERE IS A, A RIDGE THAT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS FOR THE WATER TO BE SPLIT IN TWO DIRECTIONS.
AND SO THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE A MORE, UM, UH, ACCOMMODATING AND COMFORTABLE SLOPE ACROSS THE LENGTH OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO DIRECT, UH, OUR WATER TO THAT CORNER ALONG, UH, JOHNSON AND KILLINGSWORTH.
AND THEN THE REST, UH, THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO THE WEST.
I THINK I ALSO PICKED UP ON ONE OF THE CIVIL DRAWINGS, 2.1, MAYBE THERE WAS ANOTHER BIO RETENTION BASIN, UM, I GUESS TOWARDS THE FIRE APPARATUS LIKE BAY.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN CONFLICT WITH THE PATH.
AND SO TO, SO IN THE RENDER, IN THE RENDERING HERE, UH, AS IT KINDA SHOWS IT WOULD LOOK, UH, UH, AS, AS FULL AS IT IS THERE TODAY IN TERMS OF PLANTING OR AS, AS FULL AS IT IS IN THE RENDERING.
UH, BUT IT WILL HAVE A DEPRESSION TO ALLOW FOR THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BASIN THERE.
UH, AND THAT AGAIN IS ALLOW FOR US, ALLOWS FOR US TO, UM, DIRECT SOME OF THE WATER OFF THE APPARATUS BAY DRIVE INTO THAT SPACE TO THE EAST AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL OVER TO THE WEST AS WELL.
UM, I NOTICED A TRELLIS IN ONE OF THE RENDERINGS FOR THE KENNELWORTH CMU ALL.
IS THAT INTENDED OR IS IT GONNA BE RESERVED AS JUST BLANK CMU FOR FUTURE ART? I THINK IT WAS IN THE RENDERING OF THE KENNELWORTH SIDE, AND I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SEE ANY LANDSCAPE PLANTING CALLED OUT THAT WAS LIKE A CREEPER TYPE AND THE HEDGES THAT HE, THAT YOU JUST, YEAH, SO I DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LIKE A METAL KIND OF FENCE IN FRONT OF THE CMU.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S INTENDED TO BE A TRELLIS OR ANYTHING.
IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A STAND OFF.
OH, IT'S, IT'S THE, OF, IT'S THE ARTICULATION OF THE, UM, AS UM, HELEN WAS MENTIONING, THERE'S THE, UH, UM, THE, UH, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, CMU TYPES, UH, THE MORE PRECISION FACE BLOCKS SITS MORE PROUD THAN THE SPLIT FACE THAT'S BEHIND IT UNTIL IT ALLOWS FOR THAT SHADOW AND THAT DEPTH ALONG THE, UM, THE ELEVATION OF THAT CMU IS THAT SPLIT FACE THEN THE KIND OF CENTER PART THAT'S CASTING THE BIGGER SHADOW OR TEXTURE AND THE REVERSE.
UH, CAN I KEEP GOING
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A FAKE WOOD.
IT'S A, THEY BASICALLY TAKE A SALT WOOD AND THEY GIVE IT THE, THROUGH TREATING IT, THEY GIVE IT THE PROPERTIES OF A, LIKE AN EXOTIC HARDWOOD.
DOESN'T THAT STUFF USUALLY GRAY STILL? LIKE EVEN IF IT'S THERMALLY TREATED, IT CAN GRAY OVER A LONG, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE UNGRADED IF YOU WILL.
SORRY, ONE MORE ON THE, UH, TILT UP THE CONCRETE, UH, WALLS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, SAMPLES OR ANYTHING CIRCULATED TO PLANNING STAFF OR IS THERE PLANS ON BRINGING SAMPLES OF JUST THE DIFFERENT PROFILES OF KINDA THE CORRUGATED VERSUS THE BOARD FORM? ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SEE LIKE THE DIFFERENCE IN RELIEF BETWEEN THEM ALL.
IT'S A HARD THING TO GET A SAMPLE OF.
EVEN JUST LIKE THE COLOR AND TINT OF THE CONCRETE I THINK IS, IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE IT LIKE AGE OVER TIME OR LIKE THIS IS REPRESENTED NOW REALLY LIGHT, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
UH, WELL, IT MIGHT HELP WITH THIS.
UH, IT IS HARD FOR US TO BUILD A SAMPLE OF CONCRETE, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, LOGISTICALLY, UH, WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION, PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE TO PROVIDE, UH, A REAL, UH, MOCKUP AND HE WILL CAST SEVERAL MOCKUPS WITH DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT VARIANTS, AMOUNTS OF LAMP BLACK IN IT, WHICH IS CO WHICH IS WHAT HE USE TO DARKEN THE COLOR.
AND THEN WE'LL USE THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM AND PROBABLY LPA TO COME IN AND WHOEVER ELSE TO KIND OF MAKE A DECISION ON, OKAY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WORKS.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT THAT SAMPLE IS BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE US THE SCALE.
SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A 12 BY 12 SECTION.
AND YOU KNOW, USUALLY THEY'LL GIVE US A COUPLE OF SMALLER SAMPLES, WE'LL NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO OR THREE AND IT IT'S PART OF THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE ONE WE WANT.
SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING WITH THAT.
IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT BOARD FORMS, WE COULD DO THE SAME THING.
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US THREE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS OF THESE BOARD FORMS WITH THESE PATTERNS, AND WE, WE COULD ALSO INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE, INTO THE PROJECT.THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR US TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, I THINK MAYBE JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON THE GREENING OF THE OTHER SIDE OF JOHNSON.
LIKE WHAT'S THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THIS STRIP, UH, OF JOHNSON AND KIND OF WHERE ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES IN KEEPING THE LANDSCAPE GREEN, JUST, I DO USE THAT SIDEWALK ALL THE TIME AND IT'S SO HARSH ALONG THE SKATE PARK AND THE, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE OF THE POOL.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET ACROSS THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A WASTELAND.
SO SEEING ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL RENDERINGS, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE MAINTENANCE PLAN IS THERE AND HOW, UM, LOW MAINTENANCE OR NON LOW MAINTENANCE IS IT? THERE, THERE MAINTENANCE WILL BE RECORDED.
THERE'S NOBODY HERE FROM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAINTENANCE TONIGHT.
BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'VE RAISED THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF.
I'M LIKE, HEY, THE CITY IS NOT RENOWNED FOR MAINTAINING EVERYTHING AS GOOD AS WE SHOULD.
AND, UH, I REALLY WANT TO PUSH, I'M REALLY PUSHING THAT INTERNALLY IN CIP AND WITH PARKS THAT NOT JUST THE LANDSCAPING, THE FACILITY AS A WHOLE NEEDS A DEDICATED TEAM.
AND I KNOW INTERNALLY IN PUBLIC WORKS WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AND RESTRUCTURING IT AND PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM THAT WILL MAINTAIN THIS BUILDING PLUS THE D STREET FOREST STATION AND ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TONIGHT EXACTLY THE, YOU KNOW, NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW AND TIMING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY, UH, IT'S SOMETHING I'M PERSONALLY PUSHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE A TEAM WHEN THIS IS TURNED AROUND IN 2028, THAT IT DOESN'T JUST GET NEGLECTED THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROUD OF IT, WE OWN IT AND WE, WE MAINTAIN IT THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.
SO IT'S THE BEST ANSWER I HAVE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, A PERSON ASKED ME ABOUT THE CONCRETE, IF WE'RE PLANNING TO USE HIGH FLY ASH, UM, OR LOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY CONCRETE AND CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE WALLS ARE GONNA BE CONCRETE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW.
TO, TO BE FRANK, WE'RE, THIS PROJECT IS VERY BUDGET DRIVEN.
UH, SOME OF THESE, IS IT KIND OF LOWER CARBON FOOTPRINT? CONCRETES HAVE COME AT A REAL PREMIUM COST, UH, BASED ON THE ESTIMATES WE DID, UH, ON THE PROJECT, WE'RE JUST RIGHT ON OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY DIPPED COMPLETELY INTO OUR CONTINGENCY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE TONIGHT.
AND IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, WE HAVEN'T PRICED IT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD PUSH US INTO THE, INTO A REALM OF BUDGET THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS PRICED WAS A STANDARD, STANDARD STANDARD PSI CONCRETE MIX THAT WOULD BE GENERICALLY USED IN ANY KIND OF TILT UP BUILDING.
SO NOTHING, NO, UM, NO CONSIDERATION OR EXTRA THOUGHT GIVEN TO THE CARBON.
IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THE, THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN FINAL, UM, COMMENT IS, UM, I, I THINK I PREFER THE, THE, THE PANELING THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW COMPARED TO THE, THE, THE CORRUGATED OR THE WHATEVER IT WAS, UM, BEFORE.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OF VARY THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CREATE SOME MORE DEPTH AND, AND AN INTEREST AND KIND OF LIKE REMINDS ME OF LIKE SOME OF THOSE LIKE OLD PLYWOODS THAT YOU USED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, LIKE STANDARD PLYWOODS THAT HAVE LIKE SPACING LIKE THIS AND, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LIKE GIVE ME THE LIKE OLD BARN LOOK WHERE YOU SEE LIKE AN OLD BARN WILL HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF WOOD.
IT'LL HAVE HOLES IN IT, IT'LL HAVE THIS AND SO LIKE SOME VARIATION IN THE, IN THE FACADE AROUND THE CONCRETE WOULD, MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTING.
THE UH, IN PARTICULAR THE COMPANY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE FORMS, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPANIES, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT ONE IN PARTICULAR, THEY DO HAVE PROBABLY SIX DIFFERENT TYPES OF BOARD FORM AND SOME OF 'EM ARE MORE RUSTIC THAN OTHERS.
THE ONE WE CHOSE WAS KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY GO TO SOMETHING THAT HAD MORE, UH, VARIATION.
UM, IF WE, IF WE NEEDED TO, UM, WHILE WE'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO LIKE PULL UP THE BOARD FORMS LIKE THIS A SAMPLE OF THEM FOR WHEN WE COME BACK FOR COMMENT JUST TO LIKE ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT? 'CAUSE WHAT I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING AT IS JUST LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DON'T KNOW.
SO I CAN'T REALLY COMPARE AND GIVE, LIKE, HAVE INTELLIGENT THOUGHT IT FEELS LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE, DO I LIKE THIS THING OR NOT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT BECAUSE LIKE THE OTHER THREE THINGS MIGHT BE WAY WORSE.
AND, AND SO I, I FIND IT HARD TO REALLY LIKE SORT OF LIKE GIVE FEEDBACK WITHOUT SEEING LIKE THE ALTERNATIVE DIFFERENT BOARD FORMS DO YOU MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT NOW PULL IT UP, UM, MAYBE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF IT'S TOO MUCH WORK, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
UM, IS JUST TO PAUL'S COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT HOW THE
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SORT OF MECHANICS OF THE CONTRACT WOULD ENSURE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW COLOR SAMPLES AND BOARD SAMPLES.IS THAT SORT OF MINUTIAE OF A QUESTION MORE AT THE, AT THE SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION PHASE AS HANDLED BY STAFF? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE COULD ADD THAT TO THE CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE X NUMBER OF SAMPLES AND I DON'T CARE WHO COMES ALONG AND LOOKS AT 'EM AND MAKES A CALL, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE INPUT AND WE CAN DEFINITELY WRITE THAT IN.
AND WHEN THE TIME COMES AND THEY HAVE THE SAMPLES, WHOEVER'S INTERESTED COULD COME ALONG AND BE LIKE, WE COULD PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND BE LIKE, YEAH, WE PREFER THAT ONE OVER THIS ONE.
IT'S KIND OF GONNA BE SEVERAL FLAVORS OF SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT FINAL GRAIN WE GO WITH DEFINITELY.
I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THAT IN THE FIELD.
THEY CAN GIVE US MOCKUPS, WE CAN SELECT THE ONE WE WANT AND AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO GET AROUND IT TO GET A REAL PHYSICAL LOOK AT AT WHAT WE GOT.
UM, JUST THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
LARRY SHARED SOME RENDERINGS THE OTHER DAY OF THE, OF THOSE PRODUCTS BEING USED ON A SCHOOL AND ANOTHER BUILDING.
MAYBE THAT'D BE A GOOD IMAGE TO PULL UP AND SHARE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU WERE AWAY ON VACATION.
YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE MOMENT HERE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO POTENTIALLY SIFT THROUGH SOME EMAILS IF, IF YOU'RE ABLE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN POTENTIALLY COME BACK AND TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE FINISHES DURING THE DISCUSSION PERIOD.
UM, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR? I WAS GOING TO ALSO SUGGEST THAT SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY COULD GIVE SOME GUIDANCE THROUGH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO GO BACK AND COMPILE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION TO BRING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL THEN ON OCTOBER 20TH.
MAYBE ONE REMAINING QUESTION ON THE ACCESS ROAD.
IS THERE A PLANNED PATH ALONG THAT, EITHER WITHIN THIS PROJECT PURVIEW OR FUTURE FAIRGROUNDS DEVELOPMENT? UM, NOT ON THE ACCESS ROADS, UM, NOT ON THE FACILITY SIDE OF, THERE'S TWO ACCESS ROADS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE OFF JOHNSON OR THE ONE OFF KENILWORTH? UH, KIND OF BOTH.
LIKE WHAT FOLLOWS THE PERIMETER OF THE FACILITY? THE, THE, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, SO PART OF THAT I THINK IS INTENDED REALLY FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO ENVISION WHAT THE FAIRGROUND'S GONNA BE FOR.
AND I THINK PART OF IT IS ALSO TO BE A LITTLE BIT INTENTIONAL.
SO THE, THE ACCESS ROAD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, AND AND TO REMEMBER, I THINK THESE ARE MEANT TO BE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS ROADS.
SO THE VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT OF THESE, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT ARE GONNA BE EMERGENCY RESPONSE LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
AND SO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE GONNA BE REALLY FOCUSED ON GOING TO THEIR LOCATION AND GETTING THERE.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS DRIVING IN OR DOING THREE POINT TURNS OR PEOPLE RIDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE ROADWAYS ON BICYCLES.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TEAM IS ABOUT PUTTING A MULTI-USE PATH ON THE FAR SIDE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF, UM, THE FACILITY ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS, ESPECIALLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE FACILITY.
SO WE'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING TO DISCOURAGE, UM, NOT PUTTING SIDEWALKS NEAR THE PROPERTY, BUT PUTTING THEM ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SITE PERIMETER FOR THE VERY SAME REASONS TO TRY TO DISCOURAGE PEDESTRIANS FROM BEING ALONG THOSE ACCESS ROADS OR THOSE SITES WHERE OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE COMING OUT OF GATES AND POTENTIALLY GETTING INTO CONFLICT, UH, CONFLICT SITUATIONS.
AND SO THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COLLISION WHILE WE'RE GOING TO AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT WHILE ALSO ACTIVATING THAT SPACE AND MAINTAINING THOSE, THOSE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ROUTES BECAUSE WE DO SEE A LOT OF SYNERGY COMING OFF THE CATWALK DOWN THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN IF YOU SEE THAT PATH, IT COMES RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THAT ACCESS ROAD IS RIGHT BEHIND.
AND THAT WAS REALLY TOTALLY INTENTIONAL WITH OUR DESIGN.
AND SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT AT SOME POINT THERE IS THAT MULTI-USE PATH, RIGHT? THE BACKSIDE JUST WE REALLY ARE CAUTIONING THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
JUST PLEASE STAY OUTTA THAT ACCESS ROAD.
AND I THINK TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS, UM, I WOULD FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT TWO OF THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN WOULD BE TO HAVE A ROBUST APPROACH TO MOVEMENT AND CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS AS WELL AS WAY FINDING.
AND I THINK THAT THE PROJECT WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, UM, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
AND SO VERY MUCH SO THE, THE, THE GUIDANCE THAT THE CHIEF HAS PROVIDED THIS EVENING AND SOME OF THE FORWARD THINKING, I THINK ALLOWS THE MASTER PLAN TO THEN FULLY EMBRACE THE PROJECT AT A FUTURE POINT IN TIME AND BEGIN TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE OVERALL FAIRGROUNDS EVEN MORE SO
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THAN WHAT THE PROJECT'S SEEKING TO DO.TOTALLY AGREE TO ALL GREAT POINTS.
SO THE, THE TREES I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, THEY'RE IMAGINARY, YOU KNOW, THAT SAME ACCESS ROAD IS THE ACCESS ROAD FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THAT SIDEWALK TO THE RIGHT AND THE TREES ON IT ARE NOT, THAT'S THE VISION OF THE MASTER PLAN, WHETHER THAT'S A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH WITH TREES OR AS YOU SEE IT.
AND THEN ALSO TO BRIAN'S POINT ON THE BACKSIDE, THERE'S THAT ACCESS POINT AS WELL, BUT THAT ACCESS POINT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE A NEW ACCESS TO THE WHOLE RACETRACK AND WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS BACK THERE FOR THE MASTER PLAN.
SO REALLY WHAT'S NICE IS WE'VE CREATED A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION THAT COMES OFF OF KENNELWORTH AND YES, IT'S AN EMER, THE EMERGENCY GATE IS RIGHT THERE, BUT ALSO IT OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW ROADWAY TO THE RACETRACK.
ANY ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT BACKSIDE AND WHETHER THAT MEANS MULTI-USE PASS OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT TO BRIAN'S POINT, WE'D LIKE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, NOT WHERE THE GATES ARE OPENING AND CLOSING.
I THINK I JUST HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEFS AND THAT IS ABOUT FUTURE PROOFING.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE KICKING YOURSELF IN 5, 10, 20 YEARS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WISH? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I MEAN WE'VE, THE, THE, THE HARDEST THING FOR THIS PROJECT REALLY HAS BEEN STAYING WITHIN THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT PROCESS THAT, THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, RIGHT? WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE SPACE, RIGHT? IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I TALK WITH MY WIFE, LIKE, YOU CAN FILL A HOUSE WITH STUFF, RIGHT? YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE MORE SPACE.
UM, BUT THE REALITY IS WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK.
WE'VE GOT IT TO, TO WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE APPRECIATED WITH MY TIME HERE IN PETALUMA.
LIKE WE'RE REALLY NIMBLE, WE'RE REALLY LEAN AND WE MAKE THINGS WORK.
UM, AND WE'RE FLEXIBLE AND WE'RE ADAPTABLE, RIGHT? THIS PROJECT ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
I THINK THE ONE THING YOU'VE SEEN FROM THIS SITE PLAN AND THE LAST SITE PLAN IS WE KIND OF DIDN'T GIVE UP SOME SPACE IN THE BACK.
THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED SPACE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, RIGHT? AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I KNOW HOW VALUABLE THIS, THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PARCEL IS.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS OUR CONSULTANTS, EVERY AGENCY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS YOU CAN'T GROW ANYMORE EVER, RIGHT? UM, AND A LOT OF THE SPACE INSIDE THE BUILDING, UM, MAY HAVE TO MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE I HAVE A WHOLE TRAFFIC UNIT COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF MY BUILDING NOW AND THEY'VE BEEN OUTSIDE OF MY BUILDING FOR 15 YEARS.
UM, AND SO I CAN MOVE THINGS OUT.
UM, BUT TO DO THAT, I HAVE TO HAVE SPACE FOR THEM TO GO AND MOVING THEM OUT HAS BEEN A REALLY BIG CHALLENGE FOR US.
IT'S CREATED IN STRETCH, IT'S CREATED MANAGEMENT ISSUES AND RESOURCE ISSUES AND NETWORK AND SECURITY CHALLENGES.
UM, ONE OF THE GROWING DEMANDS FOR US HAS BEEN EVIDENCE STORAGE.
WE HAVE AN EVIDENCE PROPERTY ROOM IN THERE.
EVERY DEPARTMENT WE GO TO, THEY TALK ABOUT YOU RUN OUT OF EVIDENCE SPACE.
UM, WE ALSO, IN THE DESIGN, YOU HAVE TO BUILD 10 TIMES THE CODE.
SO YOU'RE PAYING A SUPER PREMIUM FOR THE PA SPACE THAT YOU HAVE TO DESIGN.
BUT BY KEEPING FUTURE SPACE, WE HAVE SPACE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY DEVELOP AND WE CAN IDENTIFY IF WE HAVE TO, UH, REPURPOSE SPACE, WE CAN MOVE SPACE OUTSIDE AND BUILD IT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY DESIGN IT 10 TIMES TO THE CODE SO WE CAN BUILD IT AT A MORE AFFORDABLE RATE, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO OVERBUILD IT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL FOR WHAT FUTURE PLANNING WE MAY HAVE TO DO WITHOUT HAVING TO DO IT NECESSARILY IN THE BUILDING NOW, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS PROJECT BE SUSTAINABLE FOR A 50 YEAR PROJECT AFTER WITHOUT HAVING TO OVERBUILD IT RIGHT NOW WHILE STILL STAYING CONSTRAINED WITHIN OUR BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY IN, IN THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE GREEN, IT LOOKS LIKE A GREEN LAWN PORTION IN THE VERY BACK.
AND THAT ONE, IT, IT ALIGNED PERFECTLY.
WE, WE JUST MADE THAT ACCESS ROAD.
IT WAS NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ROAD GOING TO THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, IT WAS OFF ALIGNMENT.
SO BY MOVING THAT OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, IT WAS LIKE A AHA MOMENT I THINK WHERE IT WAS LIKE, OH, HERE'S THAT CONTINGENT WHERE THAT LATER IS A DIFFERENT BUILDING THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE IN BECAUSE WE RAN OUTTA SPACE INSIDE.
OR WHETHER IT'S SPACE WHERE APPARATUS IS IN OR EVIDENCE, WE, WE DON'T
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KNOW, AND IT'S HARD TO PREDICT 30 YEARS, BUT WHAT'S REALLY COMFORTING IS WITHOUT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OR ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE UP MORE OF THAT SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE MASTER PLANNED.I FEEL, I FEEL 100% COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS GONNA MEET OUR NEED FOR NOW AND THE FUTURE IS KIND OF UNKNOWN, BUT I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT BRING, UH, WITHOUT, AS BRIAN SAID OVER, I THINK WITH THE, THE, THE PLANS WE BROUGHT, UM, BACK IN 2020 2, 23 WITH THE MASTER PLAN, THAT WAS THE 50 YEAR FACILITY.
IF YOU BUILT IT IN A DESERT AND HAD UNLIMITED FUNDS AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT
UH, BUT WHAT WE CAN IS WHAT, WHAT IS IT WITHIN OUR BUDGET IS THIS WITH THAT LITTLE BIT OF SPACE? AND I KNOW PEOPLE HATE SEEING, YOU KNOW, EMPTY SPACE AND PARKING LOTS.
IT'S NOT PARKING LOTS REALLY FOR FI FIRE AND POLICE VEHICLES.
BUT, UM, THAT SPACE IS IMPORTANT.
SO WE, SO WE, SO WE CAN BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 50 YEARS.
ONE FINAL QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER ACKERSON, JUST WHILE WE'VE GOT PUBLIC SAFETY UP THERE.
SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, WITH THIS BEING A HIGH SECURITY FACILITY, OSTENSIBLY THERE'S LIKE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IN PLAY.
THINKING OF HOW IT RELATES TO THE SURROUNDING FAIRGROUNDS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EITHER STATIONARY PLATFORMS OR DRONE SURVEILLANCE NEEDED FOR YOUR FACILITY IMPACTING USERS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T EXPECT IT IN KIND OF A PARK SETTING? IS THAT NOT REALLY A CONCERN? MAYBE WE HAVE OTHER REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT AGAINST THAT OR HEY, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE KIND OF A HIGHER SECURITY WHERE THERE'S CAMERAS AND THINGS, BUT SKATE PARK NEXT DOOR.
NOTHING ABOUT SKATEBOARDERS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ADDING SURVEILLANCE TO A ENVIRONMENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT BEFORE.
UM, ANY CONSIDERATION THERE ANY CONCERNS OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE DO? WE DON'T FEEL AS MUCH OF A, AN ISSUE? YEAH, AND I, I MEAN I I THINK THERE, THERE ABSOLUTELY IS GONNA BE SECURITY ON PREMISE.
I THINK, UM, TO THAT POINT FOR, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, WE HAVE A PRESENCE ON THOSE.
WE HAVE A PRESENCE ON SPECIAL EVENTS ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE HAD MOBILE VIDEO CAMERAS ON THERE FOR THE SAFETY.
WE HAD SECURITY, WE HAD POLICE OFFICERS THERE FOR PRESENCE AND VISIBILITY.
WE HAVE A HIGH EXPECTATION AND RESPONSIBILITY THERE.
I THINK IT, IT HIGHLIGHTS AND PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS VISIBILITY.
WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, STEPPED BACK, BUT POSTURED STILL IN THE AREA OR AT LEAST BE, UM, COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE CAMERAS, WE'RE NOT POINTING ANY ON THE SKATE PARK.
WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO BE WATCHING PEOPLE DO KICK FLIPS AND FALL AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, WHAT I WILL SAY, AND LIKE OUR CURRENT LOCATION IS A CHALLENGING NEIGHBORHOOD SOMETIMES ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS, UM, YOU GET A HECK OF A LOT OF EXTRA PATROL FOR FREE.
AND SO SOMETIMES IT CAN PROVIDE THE BENEFITS OF, UM, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OVER IN THE SKATE PARK FOR BEHAVIORS AND SOME LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE BENEFICIAL, UM, FROM BEING IN THOSE AREAS.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SURVEILLING OR FLYING DRONES OVER THE SKATE PARK, UM, BY ANY MEANS.
SO WE'RE NOT CHARACTERIZING A BIG INCREASE IN WHAT'S ALREADY PRESENT ON SITE, SO THAT'S NO, NO.
OUR SECURITY POSTURE FOR THE FACILITY IS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T COMPROMISING AND TRYING TO ACCESS OUR FACILITY OR, OR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES AT POLICE FACILITIES, UM, OR EVEN OUR OWN FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DAMAGE IT OR VANDALIZE IT OR BREAK IN, OR WE'VE HAD PEOPLE BREAK INTO OUR FACILITY OVER THE FENCE OR STEAL PROPERTY FROM OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR STORAGE UNITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND WE HAVE SENSITIVE EVIDENCE AND UM, EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT.
AND ALL THE VIDEO STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT IT AT ENTRY POINTS AND KEEPING PEOPLE OFF OF THE SECURED PERIMETER AND THE BUILDING.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE SURVEILLANCE IS.
AND I THINK ONE THING WE REALLY APPRECIATE, BUT IF WE HAD TREES UP AGAINST FENCES, IF WE HAD SIDEWALKS AND MULTI-USE PASS RIGHT ALONG THOSE AREAS, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SECURE, IT'D MAKE THOSE THINGS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
SO WE APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTANDING OF NOT HAVING THE SIDEWALKS RIGHT NEXT TO OR NOT HAVING TREES RIGHT NEXT TO, SO IT REALLY HELPS NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE DRONES IN THE AIR OR WHATEVER THE OTHER SECURITY MEASURES COULD BE IN PLACE.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON, ON DOING THAT BECAUSE OF NOT THE NEED BECAUSE OF THE PLANNING THAT'S GONE IN THE FACILITY.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT.
YOU HAVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE, SO THANK YOU.
LAST CALL FOR COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
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OKAY.IN THAT CASE, LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK AND I'LL ASK IF, UH, TO THE CLERK.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
ALL OF ALL, BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR IN PERSON? WE CURRENTLY DO NOT.
SEEING NO ONE RUSHING THE CLERK'S DESK, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING THE ITEM BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT COMBO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS, UM, AND QUESTIONS.
I WILL CALL OUT A FEW THINGS THAT I NOTED DOWN ON, UM, FROM THOSE QUESTIONS AND LOOK TO STAFF TO SEE IF WE NEED TO DO FORMAL CONDITIONS APPROVAL.
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL DO STRAW POLL AND A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
BUT THE, THE FOUR THINGS THAT I NOTED WERE A DESIRE FOR MONOPOLE COLOR GUIDANCE,
THOUGHTS FROM STAFF CHAIR? I THINK IF, IF THE COMMISSION AGREES, WE'VE GOT THE COMMISSION'S COMMENTS HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, WE CAN WORK ON THOSE AND AGAIN, BRING THEM FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL.
SO WE WOULD NOT NEED, NEED TO FORMALIZE THEM INTO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR WE SHOULD.
WE'VE, WE'VE DRAFTED, WE'VE REDRAFTED CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER 13 AS IT RELATES TO THE TREES.
UM, SO THAT'S BEEN REDRAFTED WE COULD, UH, REDRAFT THE MONOPOLE COLOR GUIDANCE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD AUGMENT.
SO WE'LL DO A STRAW POLL ON THAT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN THE FACILITY LANDSCAPE PLAN OR MAINTENANCE PLAN, UM, WE THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SO, OKAY.
AND THEN THE BOARD FORM AND COLOR RIGHT.
I, I THINK I FEEL LIKE THE PROJECT TEAM COULD BENEFIT FROM SOME TIME TO WORK ON THAT.
AND TO BRING SOME EXAMPLES TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEN IF WE'RE STILL FEELING LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A BIT MORE REVIEW AS THE PROJECT BEGINS CONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE US TIME TO LOOK AT HOW WE MIGHT PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO INFORM, UM, THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
SO JUST TO RECAP, THE BOARD FORM AND COLOR SUGGESTION REVIEW WILL LEAVE AS A MORE CASUAL SUGGESTION WORK.
WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER, BETWEEN NOW AND YEP.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL CRAFT OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REGARDING FACILITY LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE PLAN, MONOPOLE COLOR, AND THEN THE TREES ACROSS JOHNSON.
YEAH, I JUST, I JUST DID WANT TO ADD ONE COMMENT THAT I THOUGHT MAY BE HELPFUL AND I DIDN'T SHARE WITH OUR TEAM, BUT WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT SERVICES AND MAINTAINS OUR FACILITY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT CONTRACT AND HAVE THEM CARRY OVER AND SERVICE THE NEW FACILITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THAT, BUT, UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON CONTRACT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IF THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, THEN I JUST OFFER THAT FOR CONSIDERATION.
BUT WE'RE ALSO HAPPY TO, TO ADDRESS THE MAINTENANCE PLAN AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ADVANTAGEOUS FROM WHAT THE, THE CIP TEAM SHARED ANYWAYS, SO, BUT FOR CONSIDERATION NONETHELESS.
AND, UH, PLANNER IC JUST SHARED THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER 14, UH, RELATES TO LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE.
ALL PLANTING SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN GRID GOING IN GOOD GROWING CONDITION, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT CLEANING OF DEBRIS AND TRASH, UM, REPLANTING WITH OTHER PLANTS, SHOULD PLANTS FAIL, UM, ENSURING THAT REQUIRED IMPLI IRRIGATION SYSTEMS ARE FULLY MAINTAINED.
SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY SOUND GUIDANCE ON GREAT.
CERTAINLY ON LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE.
COMMISSIONER EBNER, THAT WAS ONE OF YOURS.
DOES THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL FEEL LIKE IT SATISFIES? I THINK SO.
I MEAN, THERE'S THE BROADER QUESTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND PUBLIC PROPERTY SURE.
BEYOND, BUT WE CAN TACKLE THAT OUTSIDE THIS PROJECT'S PURVIEW.
THEN I THINK WE CAN CROSS THAT ONE OFF THE LIST AND WE'VE CROSSED THE BOARD FORM COLOR OFF THE LIST.
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AND YOU WERE SAYING WE HAVE THE TREES ACROSS JOHNSON IN HERE AS NUMBER, WHAT WAS IT, 13? CORRECT.DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, AND READ THAT REVISED CONDITION? SURE.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITION IN THE, IN RESOLUTIONS ONE AND TWO, UM, IT, IT, UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN? SORRY.
WHILE HE'S, UH, WHILE HE'S PULLING UP HIS SCREEN, IT, IT'S PROBABLY HELPFUL TO NOTE THAT WE ACTUALLY REPLICATED THE CONDITIONS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW GENERALLY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN USE AND, AND DESIGN AND, AND DEVELOPMENT EXPECTATIONS.
SO IT WAS REALLY BEST JUST TO PUT THEM IN BOTH RESOLUTIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERED.
SO AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, UH, AS CURRENTLY PUBLISHED, THE CONDITION, UH, INTENDS TO CAPTURE, UH, THE BALANCE OF THE TREE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO I'VE ADDED, UM, TO THE CLAUSE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN I ADDED, UH, SPECIFICALLY ANNA BUDDING THE CITY SKATE PARK TO PROVIDE SHADE, UH, TO FULFILL THE BALANCE OF THE ENTREE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF SPAR.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S QUITE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS, UM, EXACTLY, UH, WHAT AND WHERE AND HOW IT, IT LOOKS LIKE AND TAKE SHAPE.
BUT IT'S, UM, FUTURE, IT SEEMS SUFFICIENTLY BROAD BECAUSE IT'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND OR IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE SKATE PARK IS ON THE CITY PROPERTY, AND I'VE, UH, SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT THE CITY SKATE PARK, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING SHADE.
DOES THAT FEEL ADEQUATE TO THOSE WHO HAD HAD THE CONCERNS AROUND? YEP.
I, I JUST OUTTA MY NOTES TO REVISE 13, AND I WONDERED IF THERE WAS A WAY TO ALSO JUST SAY THAT ALL THE PLANTING WILL FOCUS ON BEING, I MEAN, ABUTTING THE CITY SKATE PARK, I JUST SAID BEING ADJACENT TO THE SITE JUST TO TRY TO GET ALL 41 OF THOSE TREES, LIKE THE RENDERINGS THAT WE SAW BOTH ON JOHNSON, AND THEN JUST KIND OF FOCUS THE PLANTINGS AROUND THIS SITE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PRINCIPLE ALREADY FOR, IF WE HAVE TO GO OFFSITE, TRY TO GET IT AS CLOSE TO THE SITE AS POSSIBLE.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF FLOURISH OR MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON IT.
JUST A WAY TO SAY, YEAH, JOHNSON, AND THEN JUST TRY TO FOCUS ON JUST AREAS ADJACENT TO THE SITE OR AS CLOSE TO THE SITE AS POSSIBLE OR SOMETHING.
ARE, ARE YOU THINKING THAT YOU WANT US TO TREAT THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PUBLIC REALM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET RATHER THAN JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET? I GUESS THAT THAT'S A MORE SPECIFIC KIND OF WAY TO PUT IT.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO JUST FOCUS ON, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST ADDING, I'M FORGETTING THAT STREET RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST ADDING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT JOHNSON TO JOHNSON STREET.
SO YEAH, INSTEAD OF A BUDDING, I COULD SAY ADJACENT.
SO, AND, AND, AND, AND ALSO QUALIFIED AS, UH, BOTH SIDES OF JOHNSON STREET.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF, IF THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE AGREES.
I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE, GET TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE SAW ON THE RENDERINGS WE LIKED.
THAT DEFINITELY IS THE SPIRIT THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS LIKE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS A TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, YOU KNOW, A GIANT BIG BOX SHOPPING CENTER.
LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE IT'S THAT.
RIGHT? I WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE, LIKE WE'VE GOT BIG, YOU KNOW, LIKE STOIC TREES THAT ARE CREATING A, YOU KNOW, HELPING TO DEFINE THE SPACE AND PROVIDING SHADE FOR PEOPLE.
DOES ADJACENT TO THE CITY SKATE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF JOHNSON STREET DO IT AS HERE? MAYBE? I THINK HERE MAYBE.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, I THINK IT'S BOTH SIDES OF JOHNSON STREET.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO NAME THE SKATE PARK NECESSARILY BECAUSE OKAY.
THE SKATE PARK IS A, IS A SECTION OF IT, NOT NECESSARILY, AND IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO KENNELWORTH.
SO I THINK THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT THAT THE SKATE PARK IS PRETTY, UH, BLAZING.
SO IS THE AQUATIC CENTER THOUGH TOO.
I THINK THAT WHOLE FENCE LINE NEEDS A, NEEDS AN UPGRADE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, ALSO, IF I MAY, SO I'VE, I'VE CHANGED IT.
UM, IF I MAY ADD, UH, THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONDITIONED TO OBTAIN, UH, TREE REMOVAL PERMITS, UH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS FOR REMOVAL OF, UH, THE STREET TREES IN JOHNSON STREET, BOTH IN THE MEDIAN AND ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT SELECTION AND REPLANTING, UM, ON THAT SAME CORRIDOR.
UH, JUST SOMETHING THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME TWO SECONDS AGO.
UM, I WAS TALKING TO PATRICK CARTER EARLIER AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A SOLAR PROJECT AT THE POOL.
SO JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL WE DON'T INHIBIT THE CAPACITY OF THE SOLAR PANELS TO GENERATE POWER BY PUTTING IN TREES.
SO JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'LL WORDSMITH THAT, BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT OR WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
SO, YEAH, I, I THINK IF WE FOCUS ON AS WE'VE GOT IT NOW, UH, JUST BOTH SIDES OF JOHNSON STREET, IF WE WANT TO
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ADD IN WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.I THINK THAT WOULD KEEP US FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM BOTH THE SKATE PARK AND ANY POTENTIAL SOLAR INSTALL.
IT DOES OCCUR TO ME THAT THE SKATE PARK MAY NOT WANT TREES BECAUSE DEBRIS AND SUCH COULD CREATE SOME CALAMITIES FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE USERS OF THE SKATE PARK.
SO THEY MAY WANT TO KEEP TREES AWAY FROM THE PARK ITSELF, UM, TO, TO REDUCE POTENTIAL FOR DEBRIS.
BUT IF WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK WE WOULD BE WELL AWAY, AWAY FROM THE SWIM CENTER, SKATE PARK COMPLEX THAT'S WITHIN THAT FENCE.
YEAH, I THINK AS YOU'VE WRITTEN IT NOW, WE'VE, WE'VE INCHED OUR WAY TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO IN TERMS OF CALLING OUT JOHNSON STREET, BOTH SIDES AND PROVIDING SHADE, BUT WITHOUT BEING TOO PRESCRIPTIVE AS TO SKATE PARK OR, OR SWIM CENTER.
DOES THAT LOOK OKAY TO EVERYBODY? OKAY, GREAT.
AND THEN ONTO THE MONOPOLE COLOR, WE, UM, CAN TAKE THIS IN TWO PHASES.
I THINK FIRST LET'S, UH, DISCUSS AS A COMMISSION WHETHER WE WANT TO RECOMMEND LIGHTER OR DARKER, AND THEN I THINK WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER THAT RECOMMENDATION REQUIRES A CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? CHAIR? WE WANTED TO PULL UP, WE, WE DO HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL CONCERNING THE PAINT COLOR.
UM, UH, 20 CONDITION NUMBER 29.
YEAH, WHICH SAYS THAT, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE PAINTED WITH A FLAT COLOR, UM, AND THEN THAT THE COLOR SELECTED AND THEN DEFERS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UH, TO MINIMIZE VISIBILITY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT.
SO IF WE WANTED TO AUGMENT THAT WITH SOME DIRECTION, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THIS TO ME, READS LIKE, IT GIVES US THE OPTIMAL FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE IT LOOK AS GOOD AS IT CAN.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY NOTES THAT WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER WORDSMITHING OF 29? I, I TEND TO ERR ON THE DARKER COLOR PALETTE RATHER THAN GOING WITH LIKE A BROWN OR A FLAT PINE GREEN OR SOMETHING, WHICH YOU SEE THOSE GO UP.
AND I THINK THAT'D BE A LITTLE OFF, LIKE OFF THE PALLET FOR THIS AREA, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF, DOES LEAVING IT UP TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WORK FOR YOU OR NO? I GUESS SO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, I THINK, I THINK IF WE COULD JUST STIPULATE, YOU KNOW, IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARCOAL PALETTE THAT'S PRESENTED, THAT'S, YEAH.
YEAH, WE COULD ADD, I FEEL LIKE ADD GRAY SCALE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT FEELS APPROPRIATE.
SHELBY, BE ONE THAT WILL MINIMIZE VISIBILITY AND COMPLIMENT THE COLOR PALETTE OF THE FACILITY.
ASSUMING WE, I, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS TO LOCK US INTO GRAY SCALE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE BOARD CHOICES AND WE END UP MORE TAN THAN GRAY, AND NOW THE GRAY LOOKS WRONG,
IT'S LIKE BEIGE DOES NOT
SO THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT CAME ABOUT IN THE QUESTIONS, BUT FURTHER COMMENTS.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT COMPLIMENTS THE COLOR PALETTE OF THE FACILITY.
THE MAIN BUILDING IS A MORE WHITISH COLOR.
SO I, I THINK THE, THE POINT HERE IS, IS TO, TO MAKE IT THE LEAST VISIBLE POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THE EXISTING NARRATIVE STANDARD THAT'S IN HERE ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
UM, BUT I'M, I COULD GO BOTH WAYS.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THE MINIMIZE THEIR VISIBILITY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT FEASIBLE IS DOING A LOT OF WHAT WE WANT.
BUT I, I HEAR COMMISSIONER NERS NOTE THAT WE WANNA ENSURE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FACILITY, IT'S RELATING TO THE COLOR PALETTE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING BOTH SENTENCES.
I'D KIND OF TRUST THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE THIS CALL.
AND IF THAT COMES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION, LIKE WE CAN DEFER TO THAT.
SO I THINK WE CAN LEAVE IN THIS UNDERLINED PORTION, BUT IT STILL GIVES PLENTY OF FLEXIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND YOU'VE HEARD MORE THAN YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD ABOUT ARM MONOPOLE
SO ON THE SIGNAGE, UM, UH, THE, I'M WONDERING IF THE, THE, THE SIGNAGE SHOULD SAY PETALUMA POLICE AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT NOT NEEDING TO DO SIGNAGE ALL THE WAY TO COPY RIGHT NOW.
WAS THAT A THING I SAW IN THE REPORT OR SIGN?
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RIGHT.THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SEPARATE SIGN PERMIT.
THE, THE SIGN PERMIT THOUGH, WOULD REALLY GOVERN, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNAGE, THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE.
IT'S NOT REALLY, IT WOULDN'T EVALUATE THE COPY ITSELF.
SO IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR COPY ON THE SIGNAGE, THEN I THINK DEFINITELY, UM, WE SHOULD WORK NOW'S TIME.
I'LL, I'LL COMMENT ON, UM, LIKE YOU LOOK FOR, LOOK SOMETHING UP ON GOOGLE AND YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING AND IT SAYS, OH, PETALUMA POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND OR PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, OR LIKE, I THINK WE NEED ONE WORD THAT WE USE.
AND TO ME, THIS IS THE HEADQUARTERS, RIGHT? SO IF WE CALL IT THE HEADQUARTERS, PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
IT'S UM, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP FIRE STATION FOUR IN THERE, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
BUT LIKE, UM, I REALLY DON'T LIKE SAYING BUILDING 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S MORE THAN A BUILDING.
IT'S LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HEADQUARTERS FACILITY IS ANOTHER TERM, I GUESS.
BUT FOR ME IT, UM, I THINK THAT HEADQUARTERS IS LIKE THE, THE TERM THAT I WOULD USE FOR THAT.
IT, IT TELLS PEOPLE DEFINITELY LIKE, THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING.
I'M GOING TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, NOT LIKE THE POLICE FIELD UNIT OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU HAVE THAT.
UM, SO JUST CURIOUS, LIKE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S SOME COMPLEXITY.
SO LEGALLY WE'RE THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO I KNOW JEFF AND I, I KIND OF COMMENTED WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF HAVING SOME DISAGREEMENT.
SO HE TALKS ABOUT, HE HAS FIRE HEADQUARTERS, HE WORKS AT THE PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE BUILDING A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF COMPLEXITY TO IT.
RAFAEL HAS THE RAFAEL POLICE DEPARTMENT, RAFAEL FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATES OUT AT THE RAFAEL PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
SO I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT YOU SAW IN SOME OF THE RENDERINGS, WE HAD KIND OF A, A, UM, SMALL SIGN ON THE PARKWAY STRIP THAT SAID THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
AND THEN WE HAD THAT COPY ON THE FRONT THAT TALKED ABOUT OUR TWO DEPARTMENTS.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO, FOR, AT LEAST FOR ME, I FEEL REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN CRISIS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE IN ROAD RAGE SITUATIONS, VICTIMS DRIVING IN EMOTIONAL STATES, FRANTICALLY LOOKING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY MEANS.
IT MEANS MANY THINGS TO MANY PEOPLE.
JEFF'S FACILITY HAS RED FIREFIGHTER DOORS, THEY HAVE APPARATUS BAYS WITH A FIRE TRUCK PARKED IN FRONT.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BLUE ON MY FACILITY.
I'VE GOT CONCRETE WALLS WITH BLACK STEEL HEADQUARTERS.
DOESN'T RESONATE IT, IT HAS TO SAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M, I, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND, I HOPE THAT PROVIDES THAT CONTEXT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND AND I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU, YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'VE HAD THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS.
I CAN JUST SAY THAT WE'LL COMMIT TO YOU THROUGH THE SIGNAGE PROGRAMMING.
BUT IT ALSO, THOSE SECONDS MATTERS TO ME.
IT MATTERS TO OUR COMMUNITY ON MAKING SURE PEOPLE GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
THE WAY FINDING IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO GETTING THE PEOPLE TO US AND MY STAFF TO THEM.
UM, AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S PERFECT.
MY INSTINCT HERE IS POTENTIALLY TO ALLOW THESE GENTLEMEN TO DEBATE FURTHER AND BRING IT TO COUNSEL WHO IS THE ACTUAL DECIDING BODY, UM, IN A, IN A SORT OF FIRMER PITCH AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO, UM, DICTATE WHERE THE TITLING SHOULD GO FROM THIS BODY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I JUST, MY FEEDBACK IS, IT'S CONFUSING RIGHT NOW.
AND I SWEAR BRIAN, I WASN'T TEXTING THE OTHER BRIAN ASKING TO BRING THAT UP.
UM, WE, BECAUSE THAT WAS, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE WE'RE GETTING INTO SEMANTICS AND WE'LL FIX IT, BUT IT REALLY IS THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS, AND THAT SEEMED, IT GOT PRETTY LONG.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE BUILDING WIDER TO FIT IT ALL.
IT'S KINDA LIKE THE PEOPLE ARE IN THE FOOTBALL JERSEYS WITH THE LONG NAMES, BUT, UM, SO, BUT I THINK THAT DOES, TO YOUR POINT, THAT DOES RESONATE WITH WHAT THE BUILDING IS.
SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TWEAK THAT AND, AND MAKE THAT BETTER, TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT IS I DON'T SEE ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AROUND THE WHOLE PLAZA EXPERIENCE.
AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE GOING TO A CLASS IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, AND THEN THERE'S A BREAK AND THEY WALK OUTSIDE, THEY MIGHT NEED TO SIT DOWN.
UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AROUND SEATING.
LIKE, I APPRECIATE THE CLUSTERING OF TREES BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CREATE SHADE ON A HOT DAY.
I WOULD LOVE TO GO SIT UNDER THOSE TREES AND CURRENTLY THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO SIT UNDER THOSE TREES.
AND SO I THINK A CRITICAL PART OF LIKE THE PLACEMAKING IN THIS IS
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ACTUALLY CREATING PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.AND IF YOU HAD, EVEN IF YOU HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T STAND FOR 40 MINUTES WHILE ALL THE WINDBAGS GET UP THERE AND TALK.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND UM, AND SO YOU NEED TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN DODGE OFF TO THE SIDE AND SIT, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE GET SOME RESPITE.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE THAT, I DON'T SEE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADD SOMETHING AROUND SEATING, PLACEMAKING, WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, LITTLE ALCOVES FOR SOMEONE'S PARTNER TO COME MEET 'EM FOR LUNCH AND HAVE A LUNCH IN THE FRONT OF THE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE, THE SPACE BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE THIS WHOLE THING IS MISSING RIGHT NOW IS JUST LIKE ACTUALLY MAKING IT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE.
I'D ADD TO THAT MAYBE THAT THOSE BIO RETENTION BASINS TAKE UP A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND I GET THAT THEY'LL BE GREEN AND THEY'LL PROBABLY IMPROVE TO THE PLANTING PLAN IN THE FRONT, BUT IT DOESN'T LEAVE LIKE ANY KIND OF PERIMETER STRIP AVAILABLE FOR BENCHES AROUND THAT PLAZA.
AND THEN THAT THE NEAR THE CURB CUTTER, THE APPARATUS ENTRY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THE SIZE, RELOCATE SOME OF IT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF HARD PAVED MATERIAL SOMETIMES, AND I KNOW THERE'S ALSO A BUDGET CONSTRAINT RELATED TO GOING WITH A MORE PERVIOUS MATERIAL AND TAKING AWAY MAYBE SOME OF THAT NEED.
BUT COULD THE BIO RETENTION, UM, COMMITMENT, LIKE COMMITTED SPACE BE MORE PROGRAMMED? I MEAN, CAN YOU STICK A BENCH ON THE SIDE OF A, MAYBE ON THE, LIKE IF YOU THICKEN THE CURB OF IT OR SOMETHING, MAKE IT A 16 INCH WIDE CURB INSTEAD OF A SIX INCH WIDE CURB? YEAH.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT COMPRISES OF ALL THE BIO RETENTION BASINS IS, UM, THE, THE, THE VOLUME THAT'S NEEDED FOR OUR SITE THAT WE NEED TO, UM, UH, TREAT.
AND SO IF WE, IF WE START TO INCLUDE THINGS IN THERE, IT OBVIOUSLY TAKES DOWN THE VOLUME OF IT.
UM, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF FINDING SOME OF THOSE POCKETED PLACES TO WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE SOME SEATING.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE SCRUTINY IN TERMS OF OVERALL SECURITY THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE EARLIER IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN FIND THAT BALANCE OF HAVING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AND TO KIND OF ENJOY THE SHADE AND, UH, MAKE IT APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS.
UM, BUT MAYBE CAN ALSO, UM, UH, DETER FOLKS AT CERTAIN TIMES TOO.
SO, UH, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER PASS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE CAN FIND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SEATING WITHIN THE SPACE AND, AND NOT HAVE IT BE A SPACE THAT, UH, UM, THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE NEED OF THE, UH, FACILITY OF THE, THE BASINS.
SO TO THAT END, DO WE NEED TO DO SOME DRAFTING OF LANGUAGE FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE EVALUATING SEATING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE PLAZA AND OTHER PLACEMAKING FOR THE PUBLIC? UH, YES.
CHAIR, MOSES, UH, STAFF CURRENTLY HAS DRAFTED THE PROJECT, SHELL PROGRAM THE OUTDOOR PLAZA TO ADDRESS SEATING SHADE AND SUPPORT PLACEMAKING AS TEMPORARY AND OR PERMANENT INSTALLATIONS.
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP SO WE CAN, CAN YOU PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? SURE.
AND I THINK WHILE HE IS DOING THAT, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT BOTH TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT ROLL OUT SEATING FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, BUT THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK IN OR, OR SOMETHING.
WHEREAS YOU MIGHT WANT SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING FOR, AS, AS YOU SAID, PEOPLE TOO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE OUT THERE WAITING FOR OTHERS TO ARRIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT THAT ENHANCES THE SPACE.
IT SAYS THE OUTDOOR PLAZA AREA.
DO WE HAVE LIKE A DEFINED AREA OF WHAT IT IS BECAUSE, RIGHT, AND WHEN I, RIGHT NOW I THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE THERE'S, IT'S THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IS THAT ALL THE PLAZA OR LIKE WHAT DO YOU DEFINE AS THE PLAZA AREA? I GUESS MY, UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY IT'S, UH, BEING PROGRAMMED IS IT WOULD BE A, UH, CONVERTIBLE SORT OF SPACE, UH, DEMARCATED BY THE PRECAST, UH, COLORIZED PAPERS.
AND THAT WOULD BOTH SERVE AS THE PUBLIC PARKING AREA, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO BE CONVERTED INTO AN EVENT SPACE.
UM, I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO INCLUDE SORT OF THE, THE ENTRYWAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE WIDTH OF THAT WALKWAY, UM, BETWEEN THE, THE PAVEMENT AND THE, THE FRONT DOOR, BUT I IMAGINE THERE'S A PRETTY GENEROUS, UM, AMOUNT OF, UM, WALKWAY THERE THAT SORT OF FLOWS INTO THAT SPACE AS WELL.
MAYBE WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH WORDING HERE AS THE, THE BUILDING'S FRONTAGE AS OPPOSED TO THE OUTDOOR PLAZA AREA IN CASE WE FIND A SPOT FOR A BRICK BENCH.
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I AGREE WITH THAT.UM, I, LIKE, I WANT THERE TO BE A DEFINED SPACE THAT IS SAID PLAZA, AND RIGHT NOW I CAN'T TELL WHAT IT IS.
AND TO ME, THAT'S THE PROBLEM FROM A PLACE MAKING STANDPOINT MM-HMM
AND LIKE, SOMEONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE PLAZA BECAUSE THIS IS THE PLACE THAT WE'RE PROGRAMMING AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW IT MIGHT GET PROGRAMMING AND HERE'S THE ADAPT ADAPTATIONS FOR IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THIS SPACE GETS PROGRAMMED FOR THE DIFFERENT USERS AND, AND WHATNOT.
I CAN SPEAK TO THE DEFINITION OF THE PLAZA DEFINITION OF THE PLAZAS, THAT AREA THAT WE, WHERE WE HAVE PAVERS, WHICH IS THE PARKING STALLS, THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE PARKING AREA AND THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S SERVING THOSE PARKING STALLS.
SO IT'S A BIG RECTANGULAR AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GOT PAVERS AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT VERY, UM, UNIQUE AND DEFINED IT FROM THE AREA AROUND IT, WHICH IS NOT PLAZA.
WILL IT BE PAVERS WITH PARKING LINES PAINTED ON THEM? THEY'LL HAVE PARKING LOT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING LINES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, BY CODE, BUT SURE, SURE.
PAINTED NOT D BUT IT WILL ALL BEAVER A DIFFERENT COLOR PAVER, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A A, WE'RE GETTING REALLY INTO IT.
THE, THE, IT WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE WHITE PAINT ON TOP, NOT LIKE EXACTLY.
THE PAVERS ARE, ARE A DIFFERENT COLOR.
OH, WELL IT COULD BE THAT TOO.
I WOULD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH THEY DO HAVE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE THE REQUIRED A DA, UH, SYMBOL IN PAVERS.
SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT WE WANT TO CARRY THROUGHOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF THIS BEING AN ENHANCED MATERIAL AND NOT HAVING A PAINTING STRIPE, RIGHT? SO THE PAVER SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH THE ACTUAL STALLS IN ITSELF, UTILIZING THE PAVERS.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE CONTRASTING COLORS TO DEFINE THE PARKING STALLS, AND THEN ALSO DEFINE THE ACTUAL, UM, A DA PARKING, UH, SYMBOL IN ITSELF.
UH, AND TO JUST, UM, UH, KIND OF ECHO WHAT, UH, HELEN HAD MENTIONED, THE OVERALL PLAZA IS DISTINGUISHED AND DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN THE PAVERS AND THE ACTUAL ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING SPACE, RIGHT? UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT SPACE IS FOR PARKING, RIGHT? AND THEN WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS THAT WARRANT THE USE OF THIS TO BE AN ACTUAL, UH, PLAZA, UH, THAT'LL BE THROUGH OPERATIONS IN TERMS OF DISTINGUISHING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH SPACE IS NEEDED FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, EVENT AND TIME.
UH, AND THERE MIGHT BE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE THERE IS TEMPORARY SEATING, UH, COMBINED AND COUPLED WITH WHATEVER, UH, PERMANENT SEATING MIGHT BE WITHIN THAT SPACE, WHETHER IT BE AT THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING AND OR INCORPORATED IN THE PERIMETER OF THE ACTUAL, UH, CLOSET.
SO ANY COMMENTS? UH, MY ONE FOLLOW UP, I GUESS IS ALSO THE, THE LENGTH OF THE BLOCK FROM KENNELWORTH TO ACROSS IN FRONT OF THIS IS PRETTY LONG AND LIKE ALONG THAT SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU, ONCE YOU GET TO KENNELWORTH BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THERE AND LIKE THE NEXT CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN IS GONNA BE LIKE OVER WHERE THE MCKENZIE OVERCROSSING IS BECAUSE OF HOW FAR IT TAKES IN THE, LIKE, THAT'S THE NEXT SEATING AREA, RIGHT? SO LIKE, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SEATING BETWEEN THE BASE OF THE MACKENZIE OVERCROSSING AS I SEE IT, AND LIKE, UM, LIKE, UH, THE LIBRARY, RIGHT? AND SO FOR SOMEONE WHO'S WALKING THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY LONG WALK.
AND HAVING SOME PLACE LIKE THIS COULD BE THE, THE MIDPOINT OF SOMEONE WALKING OVER THE MACKENZIE OVERCROSSING TO GET TO THE LIBRARY AND NEEDING A PLACE TO SIT.
AND I REALLY WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THAT, OF NOT JUST LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THE POLICE AND THE FIRE STATION NEED, BUT LIKE THERE, THIS IS ALSO LIKE A MAJOR MOBILITY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH AREA.
AND LIKE, I WANT TO SEE THAT WHEN THIS COMES LIKE TO COUNCIL, I WANT TO LIKE SEE LIKE, RECOGNIZE JUST HOW TERRIBLE THAT LIKE THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER IS FROM A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE STANDPOINT.
AND THAT LIKE, THIS IS THE, LIKE OUR, OUR PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITY.
AND I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE LOITERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO STRIKE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE STRUCK IT YET, I GUESS IS MY POINT.
SO, UM, IT, COMMISSIONER SHIELD IS YOUR COMMENT ON THIS OR A CHANGE OF TOPIC? IT'S BOTH THE PAVERS AND THIS PARTICULAR OKAY.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN.
I THINK AGREEING WITH THE DESIGN TEAM, YOU KNOW, THE PAVERS PROVIDE BOTH A VISUAL AND A TEXTURAL SORT OF WAY TO DEMARCATE WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY WHERE THAT, THAT OUTDOOR AREA IS.
SO I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT KNOWING WHERE THAT IS.
AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE LONG STRETCH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I THINK HAVING THOSE BENCHES ON THAT SIDEWALK RATHER THAN
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SPECIFICALLY ON THE GROUNDS OF THE, UH, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF I'M GETTING THE NAMES RIGHT,UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE IT ALONG THE STREET FOR THE REASONS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE SAID THAT'S WHERE THE SEATING BELONGS.
NOT ON THE GROUNDS THERE, THAT'S ALL.
COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN, IS YOUR COMMENT STILL? YEAH, I THINK IT'S STILL RELATED.
UM, THANKS FOR ALL OF THE INPUT ON THIS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, SECOND IT, JUST THINKING IN THE WAY OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THAT, IS THERE A WAY TO POTENTIALLY SOLVE THAT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, MAYBE LIKE, UM, LIKE EXTENDED LOW WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S JUST A DEMARCATION IN FRONT OF, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A FLOWING POINT IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S JUST LIKE A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SIT DOWN ON IF YOU WANTED TO.
IT ALSO MAYBE CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL LIKE, UM, DEMARCATION, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ACROSS, UM, THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK, THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THEN THAT COULD ALSO BE UTILIZED FOR CLEAR SIGNAGE AS WELL, WHERE YOU HAVE IN BIG, BOLD LETTERS, THIS IS A PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UH, YOU KNOW, FIRE HEADQUARTERS, UM, OR WHAT, WHATEVER THE NOMENCLATURE NEEDS TO BE.
BUT, UM, I IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT IN OTHER AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS, WHERE YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD ADD A LOT OF COST, UM, AND COULD POTENTIALLY SOLVE ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS AT ONCE.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING A LOW WALL SORT OF IN THE CANOPY AREA TO HAVE, UM, I TO BE SEATED ON? 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT ATTACHMENT FIVE, PAGE 28, A 1.1.
AND IF I'M BEING HONEST, IF YOU ZOOM IN JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT ETCHED SEAL LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BENCH WITH SOMEONE SITTING ON IT THOUGH.
THESE ARE OF COURSE JUST RENDERINGS.
THE RENDERINGS YOU MEAN AT THE ENTRANCE WHERE YOU DRIVE IN? YEAH, LIKE YES, RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE ENTRANCE FOR THE PARKING SLASH THE PLAZA AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT COULD POTENTIALLY SOLVE ALL OF THESE ISSUES AT ONCE.
UM, YEAH, I'LL JUST GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY IT'S NOT A COST CONCERN TO PUT IN.
WE COULD PUT IN BENCHES ALL AROUND THERE.
IT'S NOT A, FROM A COST STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
SO WHATEVER WE WANNA DO THERE IS, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO IT FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT GONNA SINK THE PROJECT.
SO MAYBE THAT'S HELPFUL, THE CONVERSATION.
COULD I ASK, UH, LIKE A FOLLOW UP TO ALL OF THIS JUST ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING ON THE VERY, I GUESS IT'S LIKE KIND OF THE NORTH CORNER, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE EXTENSION OF THE PARKING LOT.
I ASSUME IT'S FOR VEHICLE MANEUVERING OUTTA THE PARKING SPACES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF PROGRAM THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY POTENTIALLY NEXT TO WHERE WE HAVE A POTENTIAL ART, LIKE THE PUBLIC ART AT THE CORNER.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SPACE THAT IS, UM, KIND OF OFFSET AND JUSTIFIED TO ALLOW FOR THAT LAST STALL TO BE ABLE TO BACK OUT.
UH, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT SPACE IS ALSO, UH, SOMEWHAT SEQUESTERED FOR THE POTENTIAL OF ART WITHIN THAT CORNER.
I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS ARE MADE EARLIER IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE ART THAT WOULD BE FOR, UM, AS PART OF THE FACILITY IS THAT, UM, THAT THERE MIGHT BE, UH, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ART THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST BEING THE ONE ON THE CORNER THERE, UH, ON UH, JOHNSON AND, UH, KILLINGSWORTH AND THEN, UM, BUDGET WITH THE BUDGET ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, PIECES OR OPPORTUNITY THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE ANOTHER, UH, ITEM CAN BE PLACED.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
AND MAYBE THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF SEATING THERE AS WELL TOO.
I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PRESENT A FEW OPTIONS FOR THAT AREA, LIKE PROGRAM OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW OR IF THAT'S, IF WE'VE MOVED BEYOND THAT.
BUT JUST TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT PUBLIC INTERFACE, PLACES OF REPOSE BENCHES ALONG THE STREET.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S KIND OF THE MIDWAY POINT.
IT'S AT THE, A PRETTY PUBLIC CORNER INTERSECTION AND THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BLEND BETWEEN THE 10 FOOT PATH YOU HAVE AND THE PUBLIC, UM, IN THAT LITTLE PLAZA.
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UM, POTENTIALLY STUDY THAT WITH THE TEAM, UH, OVERALL TO KINDA SEE WHAT MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE, UM, ELEMENT THERE TO BE PROGRAM, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, IT'S ON THE, WHICH CAN BE PLAZA THE TOP LEFT CORNER, RIGHT? UHHUHYEAH, JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS KIND OF LIKE SEPARATING IT ALL FROM THE STREET BACK TO THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PLAZA PROGRAMMING AS WELL AS SEATING.
IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR FURTHER PLACEMAKING IN FRONT OF THAT MURAL BETWEEN THE TWO STORY BUILDING AND THE APPARATUS BAY? IT'S NOT A PLACE I WOULD RECOMMEND BECAUSE IT'S A KIND OF A HIDDEN SPOT.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK, I SUSPECT OUR CHIEF WOULD NOT APPRECIATE FOLKS IN THAT AREA PLACEMAKING.
WELL, THE, IN THE LITTLE AREA WHERE THE MURAL IS, IT'S KIND OF TUCKED BETWEEN THE APPARATUS BAY AND THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, IT WOULD BE A HIDING SPOT IN A WAY.
IF YOU HAD PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS.
THAT'S SO IF KIDS ARE, THERE'S FLAGPOLES THERE, BUT IF KIDS ARE PLAYING THERE, IT COULD BE A CONFLICT AREA WHEN FIRE WRAP ASSES RESPONDING OUT THE FRONT.
BUT I, BUT I THINK THERE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE REALLY GOOD RENDERINGS IN THERE OF THAT ACTUAL CORNER OF KENNELWORTH AND JOHNSON.
AND WE WERE KIND OF TALKING OVER HERE LIKE PUTTING BENCHES THAT COULD LOOK AT THAT ARTWORK ON THE WALL, PUTTING BENCHES, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINTS OF HAVING A HALFWAY SPOT.
BUT TO YOUR POINT OF ALSO NOT BEING AT THE FRONT LOBBY, BUT BEING ON THE CORNER ON THE PEDESTRIAN PATH.
SO I THINK THERE'S A GOOD, GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THOSE SAMPLES BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING THIS, HEY COUNCIL, HERE'S, HERE'S SOME THOUGHTS.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AT AT THAT MEETING? I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE.
BASED ON YOUR, ON YOUR FEEDBACK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE THEN BACK TO OUR CONDITION OF APPROVAL DRAFT AND WHETHER WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING MORE ON WHAT I BELIEVE WAS 23 TO MAKE SURE WE ARE APPROPRIATELY CAPTURING THIS DESIRE FOR FURTHER SEEDING, UM, I GUESS ACROSS
UM, AND WHETHER WE'RE CONTENT WITH THAT LANGUAGE THAT MIKE HAD HAD UP ON THE SCREEN PRIOR, UH, YES, I WAS WORKING ON A DRAFT, BUT I CAN PIVOT TO JUST WHAT WE HAD.
UM, ONE POTENTIAL IDEA COULD, UH, BE TO ADD THE PROJECT SHELL PROGRAM, THE OUTDOOR PLAZA AREA AND OR THE AREA IN BETWEEN THE MULTI-PURPOSE PATHWAY AND THE PUBLIC PARKING AREA TO ADDRESS SEATING SHADE AND SUP SUPPORT PLACEMAKING AS TEMPORARY AND OR PERMANENT INSTALLATIONS.
ARE WE AT THIS POINT JUST SAYING PROGRAM, THE FACILITY
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE SAME LINES THAT I WAS THINKING.
WE CAN CAPTURE THIS CONVERSATION IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PROJECT TEAM TO COME BACK WITH SOME DESIGN RESPONSES THAT COULD THEN BE REFLECTED IN THE COUNCIL MEETING ITEM AND THEN THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE IT UP THERE.
UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT THE GOAL IS AND WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
BUT THIS IS A SORT OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THIS INPUT, RESPOND TO IT BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING FOR UM, CONSIDERATION.
SO WITH THAT SUGGESTION, COMMISSIONERS, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT NOT HAVING 22 AND RATHER RELYING ON THE CONTENT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING TO GUIDE FURTHER STAFF REPORT SUGGESTIONS AROUND THIS? DO WE FEEL OKAY ABOUT THAT? SEEING NODDING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS WHETHER GUIDING OR TO THE LEVEL OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? COMMISSIONER KUSON NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
I GUESS I JUST WANTED, AFTER SEEING THIS PLAN, THANK THE PROJECT TEAM FOR A GREAT JOB IN RESPONDING TO COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT MEETING IN SOME WAYS COULD HAVE BEEN PAINFUL FOR A PROJECT TEAM, THE JOINT COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION, NONE THE LEAST OF WHICH, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE 13 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT WAS ON THE DAIS.
UM, BUT I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I'M SEEING THERE IS CAPTURED INCLUDING A COUPLE OF MY SPEC SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WERE CLOSE TO MY HEART THAT I'M SEEING IN THERE, INCLUDING A COUPLE INTERIOR LIKE ORNAMENTAL OR SMALLER TREES IN THE PARKING AREA.
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TERRIFIC.SO I THINK THAT AMONG WITH, ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WERE BAKED IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, I HAD IT IN MY NOTES THAT, AND I THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE EMPTY AREA, THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SHIFT THE FACILITY BACK.
THAT PLAZA FEELS TOO NARROW IN THE FRONT.
IT FEELS LIKE THERE REALLY ISN'T AN ABILITY TO PROGRAM AND PARK.
SO IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT BE MORE OF A PROGRAMMED, BIG ENTRANCE PUBLIC FACING.
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE CONSTRAINTS WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.
BUT YEAH, SO OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY I LIKE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WE GENERATED, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW RESPONSIVE THIS DESIGN WAS.
AND I WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER THAT CONCRETE COLOR WAS JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT RENDERING.
BUT IT'S NICE TO HEAR THAT WAS INTENTIONAL.
UH, AND IT WAS AND IT WAS LIGHTENED UP.
SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO SHOW THOSE COMMENTS.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HILT? JUST A QUICK ONE TO SORT OF FOLLOW UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE BALANCE OF THE BUDGET REALITIES THE LONG OVERDUE NEED FOR A FACILITY.
THERE WAS A CERTAIN HEIGHTENED SENSE OF URGENCY AT THAT MEETING AND UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A ONCE IN A LIFETIME CIVIC BUILDING AND I THINK THE DESIGN TEAM DID AN EXTREMELY GREAT JOB WITH A VERY DIFFICULT BALANCING ACT.
SO THAT THAT WAS REALLY, IT WAS KIND OF GOOD TO BE PART OF ALSO.
ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER EBNER? UH, I MIGHT JUST HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT TO GROUP IN WITH THE CONCRETE, UH, SAMPLE OR IMAGES THAT'LL BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND IT'S TO MAYBE ALSO PRESENT COUNCIL WITH AN ALTERNATE OPTION TO THE THERMALLY TREATED WOOD.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE GREAT ALUMINUM OPTIONS THAT ARE LOWER MAINTENANCE AND LIKE A THIRD OR HALF THE COST AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MIGHT MEET AN AN OKAY LEVEL OF SCRUTINY, UH, TO PASS FOR A, A CHEAPER, MORE DURABLE SOLUTION.
UM, SO IF CERTAIN PRODUCT OPTIONS COULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
WOOD IS ALWAYS NICE AND WARM, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN AN EXPENSE THERE AND A, A MAINTENANCE, UM, TRADE OFF.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRODUCT SAMPLES THAT, UH, THE, THE COUNCIL GETS TO REVIEW.
I CAN, CAN I DO A QUICK COMMENT? I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.
UM, JUST THE COMMENTS WITH THE COURTYARD IN THE FRONT OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY SPACE.
I THINK WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS, AND I MENTIONED THIS I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, WE'VE GOT A, I BELIEVE IT'S 55 ACRES, THE WHOLE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY.
UM, I COULD BE OFF, BUT WHAT AN EXCITING TIME TO BE ABLE TO MASTER PLAN THAT WHOLE PLACE.
AND WE ARE TAKING THIS MICROCOSM OF A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY AND TRYING TO DO ALL THE THINGS WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY INTO A THREE AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL WITH A COMMUNITY SPACE AND TREES AND, AND ENGAGEMENT.
I MEAN, WE MIGHT WANNA PUT A FARMER'S MARKET IN THAT FRONT SPOT IF WE HAD ROOM, RIGHT? BUT WE, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T.
BUT WHAT I'M JUST GETTING EXCITED UP HERE LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GREAT FOR THE FIRST THING TO GET, UH, TO GET PROGRAMMED FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS.
WHAT A, WHAT A HOME RUN AND THEN WHAT A GREAT THING THOUGH TO EXPAND ON WHEN WE DO THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLANNING, USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT ALSO USING ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY THAT COULDN'T QUITE FIT OR WE MAYBE COULDN'T QUITE DO WITH THE GRAND VISION AND DOING THAT SOMEWHERE, LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT THE BIG COMMUNITY SPACE, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF HERE.
IT SHOULD BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, RIGHT WHEN YOU ENTER THE FAIRGROUNDS OR WHATEVER THE MASTER MASTER PLANNING PRO PROCESS COMES UP WITH.
AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY FROM THE, ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE TEAM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMENTS TONIGHT.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT OVER, I KNOW I'M NOT THE CLOSER.
I JUST COULDN'T HELP MYSELF AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE MINUTE.
A LOT OF GREAT STUFF COMING TO THE FAIRGROUNDS AND I AGREE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS PRECEDING A MASTER PLAN AND SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW, HOLD OUR HORSES.
AND I THINK WHAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO IS PUBLIC SAFETY GETS FIRST DIBS AND YOU GUYS HAVE WAITED A LONG, LONG TIME AND I THINK THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND YES, THERE'S A LOT MORE INTERESTING STUFF TO COME, UM, FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AND, AND THIS WILL FIT IT WELL.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK OF THE TEAM.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS, COMPLIMENTS, ANYTHING? YES.
LIKE I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK FROM THE STUDY SESSION AND YOU'RE STILL, UH, UNDER BUDGET, SO, OR MAYBE ON BUDGET
UH, SO, SO THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.
AND I'M, I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO SUGGEST ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, I THINK IF, IF I HAD ALL THE POWER, I WOULD SAY, HEY, LET'S PUT THE PARKING LIKE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MAKE THAT A DEDICATED PLAZA.
BUT I GET THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING WITH LIMITED SPACE AND RESOURCES.
SO I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY AND, AND YOUR, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT MAKING
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THAT SPACE AS AS AWESOME AS POSSIBLE.ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL WITH THAT? I THINK WE ARE READY FOR, OH, CHAIR MOSES, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, JUST A REMINDER TO, UM, BEFORE MAKING A MOTION OR, OR WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION, UH, MAKE SURE YOU NOTE THE, UM, REVISED, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR MONOPOLE COLOR AND, UM, TREES ALONG JOHNSON.
AND, UM, THE, ALSO THE CHANGES, UM, THAT WE'LL BRING TO COUNCIL REGARDING, UM, THE BOARD FORM, UM, SAMPLES, UM, THE FRONT PUBLIC AREA, UM, PROGRAMMING AND THE SIGNED COPY.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I KNOW THIS WILL BE A MOUTHFUL TO
IF, UNLESS WE THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT VOTE THAN WE, I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE THEM.
AND JUST REITERATE TO WHAT, UH, ANDREW SAID THE CONDITIONS WILL BE BOTH FOR THE CUP AND THE SPAR RESOLUTION.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE AND IF WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION INCORPORATING THE CHANGES AS MIKE DRAFTED THEM, THEN THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
YEAH, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT PLEASE.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS, UM, IN THE PACKET AS MODIFIED TO ADDRESS THE TREES ON JOHNSON STREET AND THE CHANGE IN THE PLAZA.
'CAUSE WE REMOVED THAT PARAGRAPH, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO AS THE TWO RESOLUTIONS AS PROPOSED WITH THE CHANGE TO THE JOHNSON STREET TREES AND REMOVING THE PARAGRAPH NUMBER 22, IS THAT SUFFICIENTLY? UH, YES, THAT WAS, UH, THAT CONDITION 22 DRAFT WAS, WAS STRUCK.
AND THEN THERE'S SUGGEST THERE WAS ALSO REVISED CONDITION TO THE MONOPOLE PAINT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS SUGGESTED, UH, PROGRAMMING FOR THE, UH, FRONT AREA OF THE BUILDING FOR SEATING.
AND WOULD IT BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE MOTION TO BE, TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTIONS AS REVISED AND DRAFTED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING? OR DO WE NEED TO ENUMERATE? I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT AND WE CAN SAY AS SHOWN ON, YOU KNOW, MY AS MIKE SHARED WITH EVERYONE.
IS THAT GOOD? THEN I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE TWO RESOLUTIONS AS PROPOSED AS MODIFIED AND DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING? YEAH.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER NEWELL WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE TO APPROVE BOTH RESOLUTIONS AS REVISED HERE IN CHAMBERS TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION REQUIRED? SEEING NONE, LET'S PLEASE HAVE A VOTE ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK.
COMMISSIONER EBNER? UH, I VOTE YES.
CHAIR MOSES? YES, THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
SO WITH THAT WE CAN CLOSE OUR PUBLIC OR I GUESS WE ALREADY CLOSED OUR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'LL MOVE OFF OF MEETING ITEM THREE AND INTO COMMISSION COMMENT.
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DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PRESENT COMMISSION COMMENT? WE'LL START DOWN WITH COMMISSIONER HILT.I WOULD SAY I, UH, DID GO TO THE ROAR PARK FARMER'S MARKET AND I VERY MUCH ADMIRED THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND WATERPARK FEATURE AND MY CHILDREN DID TOO.
SO WAS THINKING OF US ALL IN THIS PROJECT DOING SO AND LOOKING FORWARD TO VISITING THIS ONE
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WATER FEATURE INTO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THECOMMISSIONER GOLDMAN? UH, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE QUICKLY THE UPDATE TO THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACTION COMMITTEE THAT I AM THE LIAISON FOR.
UM, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING, UM, ON THE THIRD, UM, WHAT THE MAJORITY OF MEETING CONSISTED OF WAS AN AD HOC MEETING WHERE WE BROKE OUT INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS TO DISCUSS, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT, UM, JUST AREAS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
ONE OF THEM IS A BIKE FRIENDLY BUSINESS UPDATE.
ANOTHER IS THE WAY FINDING AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THEN THERE'S THE STREET AND TRAIL DESIGN, UM, AS WELL.
AND JUST GENERALLY THERE WAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS THAT WERE PUT FORTH.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A GOOD PATH FORWARD TO TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE IDEAS CONTINUES TO JUST BETTER PETALUMA BROADLY AND, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE IDEA OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO BETTER INTEGRATE BIKES INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND REALLY WORK WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY ITSELF TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE REALLY REFLECT, UM, WHAT THE CITY'S NEEDS ARE.
SO THERE'S JUST GONNA BE A LOT OF GOOD WORK GOING FORWARD IN THAT.
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STAFF COMMENT.I WANTED TO, UH, TAKE A STEP BACK TO THAT, THE HOUSING LEGISLATION PRESENTATION THAT WE DID, UH, IN AUGUST AND RESPOND TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED DURING THAT PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SB 79, WHICH IS LEGISLATION THAT'S BEFORE THE GOVERNOR FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND UPZONING.
UM, THAT AS, UH, THAT LEGISLATION WAS, UH, PASSED IN THE LEGISLATURE AWAITING THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE, UH, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING NEAR RAIL STATIONS AND RAPID BUS LINES, INCLUDING IN AREAS WHERE HOMES ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED BASED UPON A DISTANCE OF THE HOUSING FROM A TRANSIT STOP, THE TRANSIT TYPE AND THE SERVICE FREQUENCY.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS SB NINE, UH, SB 79 LEGISLATION WAS THAT TWO KEY AMENDMENTS WERE MADE BEFORE THE FINAL VERSION WAS ENROLLED.
AND THOSE TWO AMENDMENTS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED THE APPLICABILITY OF THE LEGISLATION TO SONOMA COUNTY.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE, UH, SMART STATION AREAS ARE NO LONGER SUBJECT TO TIER THREE STANDARDS.
UM, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH A DETERMINATION THAT WAS MADE, I BELIEVE, WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER, THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN A COUNTY.
AND THEN THE SECOND WAS THAT THERE WAS SOME OPT-IN LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR TIER THREE STANDARDS THAT WAS, UH, STRICKEN FROM THE LEGISLATION.
SO THE RESULT THEN IS AS OF RIGHT NOW, SB 79, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IS NOT MANDATORY FOR SONOMA COUNTY.
THERE IS A, UM, A NARROW PART OF THE LEGISLATION WHERE IT MAY STILL APPLY ON STATIONED ADJACENT PARCELS THAT ARE OWNED BY TRANSPORTATION AGENCIES.
AND WE CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SMART, UH, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY BE INVESTIGATING THE APPLICABILITY OF THAT LEGISLATION TO PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN.
AND CERTAINLY I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE IS FOLLOWING THAT LEGISLATION CLOSELY.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU'D HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
UM, THE SECOND WAS THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A, UH, UM, LAWSUIT IN SOUTH BAY REGARDING INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
AND WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT AND LEARNED THAT THAT WAS, UM, IT WAS THE WESLEY UV CITY OF EAST PALO ALTO.
UM, THE LAWSUIT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE PACIFIC LEGAL FOUNDATION, A FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OVER ITS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, UM, CLAIMING THAT THE FEES THAT YOU, UH, WAS BEING FORCED TO PAY WERE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
UM, AND ARGUED THAT IT WAS A FIFTH AMENDMENT TAKINGS UM, UM, ACTION.
WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED WAS THAT, UH, THE CITY OF EAST PALO ALTO AMENDED THEIR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE TO EXEMPT SB NINE PROJECTS FROM BEING SUBJECT TO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH THEN MUTED THE LAWSUIT.
UM, I BELIEVE LIKELY, I MEAN, IT'LL OBJECT LIKELY, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT, UM, RESOLVED THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
HOWEVER, UH, IT DID HIGHLIGHT, UM, OR TURN THE SPOTLIGHT ONTO THE CONSTITUTIONALITY
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OF LOCAL INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCES.SO ASSISTANT, UM, CITY ATTORNEY DYLAN BRADY IS, IS WORKING THROUGH THAT, UM, AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WILL BE PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE TO BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AS NECESSARY.
UH, THE THIRD THEN WAS THE, UH, THE LOS ANGELES MAYOR'S OFFICE EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE ONE, WHICH WAS, UM, INITIALLY ISSUED IN 2022 AND THEN HAD A THIRD, UM, REVISION STATEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED IN JULY OF 2024.
AND I THINK WITH THAT IT IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A LOCAL JURISDICTION, UH, EXCEEDING THE STATE REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO STREAMLINING.
AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING THAT FORWARD, UM, WHEN, UH, WE HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, SCOPING THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW LOCAL JURISDICTIONS CAN TAKE ACTION TO CREATE GREATER FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT FIND PREFERENTIAL LOCALLY.
UM, AND THAT THAT IS, IS ALSO A REFLECTIVE OF THE STATE'S, UM, ENCOURAGEMENT TO PRODUCE HOUSING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT.
I'D LIKE TO BRING IT FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT TO EXPLORE IT IN GREATER DETAIL.
UM, THEN LET'S SEE, ONE, OH, THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION SPECIFIC PLAN UPDATES.
UM, THE CONSULTANT TEAM IS NOW UNDER CONTRACT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS TO ACQUIRE DATA AND MAPPING FILES.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS PHASE WILL, UM, IS REALLY ALREADY UNDERWAY.
WE'VE ALSO CONNECTED THEM WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM.
IF YOU RECALL, PART OF A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT PROJECT IS TO LEVERAGE THE WORK THAT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS DONE TO FACILITATE, UM, AND EXPEDITE BOTH THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT ALSO TO BRING THAT PROJECT IN UNDER BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT.
SO THE, UH, WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH, UH, CITY STAFF AND THE CONSULTING TEAM LAST WEDNESDAY, AND THEY WILL BE IN PETALUMA TOMORROW FOR A SITE TOUR.
UM, THAT'S BEGINNING AT THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION, UM, PARKING LOT AND WILL THEN PROGRESS DOWN NORTH MCDOWELL.
UM, THE MANAGEMENT, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM IS ALSO DEVELOPING A FRAMEWORK FOR CITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR A CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT AND WILL BRING THAT FORWARD, UH, FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AT A WORKSHOP THAT IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 3RD.
UH, WE'RE ALSO CONNECTING WITH, UM, PARCEL OWNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.
WE'RE ALSO BUILDING OUT OUR STAKEHOLDER LIST, AGAIN, LEVERAGING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND AUGMENTING THAT.
AND, UH, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM IS LOOKING FORWARD TO A COMMUNITY EVENT IN OCTOBER TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY AT THE LUCCHESE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO A LOT OF EARLY ACTIVITY HAPPENING IN THESE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS, UH, WE, WE REALLY SEEK TO, UH, ACCELERATE THE PLANNING PROCESS AND, AND KEEP THIS PROJECT ON SCHEDULE.
AND THEN FINALLY, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THE BETTER CITIES FILM FESTIVAL IS SCHEDULED, UH, FOR TOMORROW EVENING FROM SEVEN TO 8:30 PM AT THE, UH, BOULEVARD 14TH CINEMAS.
ANY FINAL COMMISSIONER? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? UH, I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE DYLAN AND THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR LOOKING INTO THAT, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE AND, AND GETTING US, UH, AHEAD OF THE BALL ON THAT ONE.