* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AS FAST AS YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, [00:00:01] THAT'S THE QUESTION. DON'T TRIP OVER YOUR, OKAY. SLOW DOWN. NOT THAT FAST. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE GIMME THAT COFFEE . I HAVEN'T SINCE THIS MORNING, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. NO. UM, COMMISSIONER SAS. ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEMBER LIAISON HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AND OH, I HAVEN'T QUITE FINISHED. WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE COMMISSIONER PERRY A A HERE A FULL SQUAD. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PRESENTATION, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, THERE WE GO. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. NO CARDS. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] EDITS ON THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? NANCY? I, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT CORRECTED, BUT ORIGINALLY BARRY LAWRENCE'S NAME, IT WAS SO SOUN INSTEAD OF LAUNCH, YOU GET THAT. YOU GOT THAT, CLAUDIA. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER CORRECTION OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES, UM, AND A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 4TH. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE THEM. ALL RIGHT, SECOND. A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU, CLAUDIA, FOR PREPARING THOSE. UM, AND NOW WE'LL DO PRESENTATIONS. [PRESENTATIONS] I JUST WANTED TO GET THE, ALL OF THE LIKE, PICKY.BUSINESS OUT OF THE WAY, SO APOLOGIES FOR FLIPPING THAT AROUND. OOH, COOL. UM, ALRIGHT. DAN, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS BESIDES JUMP? NO. OKAY. UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST, UM, FROM AVA, UH, AIRCRAFT TO PRESENT NEXT MONTH, NOVEMBER, IF THAT WOULD, THAT'S APPROVED. UM, DOES THAT FIT WITH OUR TIMING? SO WE HAD SET THIS MONTH BECAUSE WE HAD A SCHEDULE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP SURE. AS FAR AS, UH, THE HANGAR BEING AVAILABLE. UH, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THAT. UM, WE, WE WON'T BE READY BY EARLY NOVEMBER, SO, AND IT'D TAKE PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO TO THREE WEEKS TO GET AGREEMENT TOGETHER. OKAY. SO I THINK AS FAR AS SCHEDULE WE'RE, WE'RE FINE ON THAT. OKAY. WELL, I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH POSTPONING, UH, OR LIKE OFFERING AN EXTENSION TO THE SECOND PARTY. I, I MEAN, I GUESS IF DAN SAYS IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT IT, OKAY. SEE NO OBJECTION THAT WE CAN GET THAT SCHEDULED. I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THAT BECAUSE SURE, SURE. CONNECTED TO JUMP. SO, OKAY. IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS OKAY WITH IT, I WILL RECUSE. UM, SO WE'LL HEAR FROM JUMP TONIGHT AND THE OTHER PARTY NEXT MONTH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. UH, SO I GUESS NOW IT'S TIME FOR PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. UH, SORRY, WHERE DO WE STAND? RIGHT IN THE PODIUM THERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YEP. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. MY NAME'S JEREMY ELL. I'M A SENIOR MECHANICAL ENGINEER AT, UH, JUMP ARROW, UM, RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA. UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR JUST ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW. AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE OUR CASE FOR, UH, THE HANGAR AT EIGHT ROW 18. UM, SO JUMP ARROW, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, UM, WE ARE BUILDING THE FASTEST EV TALL, UH, FOR TIME CRITICAL MISSIONS. OOPS. IS THIS GONNA REACH, WHERE DO I POINT IT? ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. IT WAS WORKING. THERE WE GO. . UM, OUR MISSION IS TO GO OUT AND SAVE LIVES. UH, WE ARE GOING TO EMPOWER OUR SUPERHEROES, OUR EMS PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO GET TO RURAL AMERICANS IN, UH, IN, IN FASTER TIME THAN, UH, ANY CURRENT TECHNOLOGIES. UM, AND OUR AIRCRAFT WILL COVER A GREATER DISTANCE THAN, UH, ANY, UH, POSSIBLE. UM, SORRY, , ANY, ANY, UH, CURRENT TECHNOLOGY AS WELL. SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO SAVE, UH, ON AVERAGE THROUGH OUR STUDIES 67,000, UH, LIVES PER YEAR IN THE USA ALONE. UM, AND, UH, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AGAIN, IS TO, TO GET THE, THE EMS PERSONNEL TO THE STROKE HEART ATTACK OR, UH, INJURED VICTIM, UH, VERY QUICKLY. UM, CURRENT AMBULANCES, UH, CAN TAKE ANYWHERE, UH, OVER 20 MINUTES TO GET TO RURAL AMERICANS, AND OUR MISSION IS TO GET TO THE PATIENT IN UNDER EIGHT MINUTES. UH, AT THAT, WE, UM, ARE ALL ELECTRIC. SO WE ARE VERY, UH, GREEN, UH, VERY FORWARD [00:05:01] IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD. UM, WE'RE DESIGNED FOR RAPID RESPONSE. UM, THIS, THIS VEHICLE IS GOING TO BE VERY EASY TO TRANSPORT. IT WILL FIT ON A FLATBED TRAILER. UM, IT'S GOT A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO LAND AT ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, UH, EVEN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS. UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL ELECTRIC, SO IT'S VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND. UM, THE, UH, THE PILOT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE SIMPLIFIED FIGHT FLIGHT CONTROL SYSTEMS. SO THE PILOT WILL ONLY REQUIRE MINIMAL TRAINING TO GET CERTIFIED IN THIS AIRCRAFT. UM, JUMP ARROW, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GOING AT THIS FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS NOW, I BELIEVE. AND, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN PRODUCTION, UH, WITH FULL, FULL-SIZE VEHICLE, UM, CURRENTLY ON THE EAST COAST. UM, THE JA PULSE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S OPTIMIZED FOR SPEED. ALL THE OTHER, UM, ELECTRIC COMPETITION OUT THERE, IF YOU WILL, UM, WILL NOT BE GOING NEARLY AS FAST AS WE'LL BE GOING. UM, AGAIN, OUR, OUR, OUR MISSION IS TO GET TO THOSE, UM, THOSE VICTIMS OF HEART ATTACK, STROKE, ET CETERA, MEDICAL EMERGENCIES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UM, TO THAT, WE'VE DESIGNED A CRAFT THAT WILL GO 250 KNOTS, WHICH IS THE FA, A SPEED LIMIT UNDER 10,000 FEET. UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 10 X COVERAGE OVER A TYPICAL, TYPICAL AMBULANCE. SO THE, UH, THE BLACK ZONE, THE BLACK CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE IS WHAT AN AMBULANCE COULD COVER. AND THE RED DOTTED LINE, UM, WAY OUT ABOVE THAT 10 X, UH, IS WHAT WE COULD COVER WITH A SINGLE AIRCRAFT IN, IN ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES TIME. UH, AT THAT, UH, THE COST PER CITIZEN, UH, GOES WAY DOWN ACTUALLY COMPARED TO AMBULANCES. UH, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 15% OF THE COST OF AN AMBULANCE FOR OPERATION. UM, OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS INCLUDE BOTH, UH, GOVERNMENT AND DEFENSE AND PRIVATE EMS PROVIDERS. SO WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH EMS PROVIDERS. WE'RE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THEM, PER SE. UM, AT THAT, FALK IS, UH, ONE OF OUR EARLY CUSTOMERS. UM, THEY'VE, UH, PLACED SOME PRE-ORDERS FOR SOME OF OUR VEHICLES TO, TO, UM, AUGMENT THEIR AMBULANCE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE WORLDWIDE, ACTUALLY, SO BASED, UH, BASED OUTTA DENMARK, I BELIEVE. UM, THE JOHN BELL LEADERSHIP, UM, CARL DIETRICH, OUR CEO IS A MIT GRADUATE WITH A PHD. UM, THERE'S, UH, HE'S, HE'S WAS THE FOUNDER OF TERRAFUGIA, HIS, HIS FIRST COMPANY, IF YOU WILL, UM, WHICH, UH, SOLD TO, TO GILLY, UH, SEVEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO NOW, UM, AFTER THAT SALE, UH, HE, HE, UH, FOUNDED JOHN BARROW AND, UH, UH, HE IS BUILT A, A BRILLIANT TEAM RIGHT HERE, UH, IN THE, IN OUR BACKYARD IN PETALUMA HERE. SO, UM, HE ALSO SERVES ON GAMMA, THE SVO COMMITTEE CHAIR. UH, HE'S, UH, MIT PRIZE WINNER. UH, HE'S ALSO PRIVATE PILOT, UH, AND HE'S BEEN 20 YEARS IN THE AVIATION TECHNOLOGY AND, AND, UH, ENTREPRENEURSHIP. SO, UM, THAT'S CARL, OUR CTO, BRIAN, UM, MS. STANFORD, UH, AERO ENGINEER, UM, BS FROM GEORGIA TECH. UM, HE'S BEEN DRIVING A LOT OF OUR, OUR DESIGN AND, UH, TECHNOLOGY. UM, KATERINA, UH, BASED OUT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ACTUALLY, SHE'S ALSO A PILOT. UH, SHE'S A EMT AND, UH, DOES, UH, ACTIVE SEARCH AND RESCUE, UH, WITH HER PLANE. UM, AND THEN ON OUR EAST COAST, ONE OF OUR, OUR THIRD CO-FOUNDER, JEFF, UH, MYJACK, UH, IS OUR PRODUCTION, UH, GUY GURU. HE, UH, HE'S BEEN, OH GOD, UM, DECADES IN THE, UH, COMPOSITE BOAT, UH, MAKING COMPETITION BOATS FOR OLYMPICS AND THINGS LIKE THIS. UM, AND, UH, WE, HE'S PARTNERED WITH CARL AND IS DOING ALL OF OUR COMPOSITE CONSTRUCTION OUT IN BOSTON. SO, UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PHOTO FROM, FROM A VIDEO WE TOOK. THIS IS A APPROXIMATELY QUARTER SCALE OF OUR FULL SIZE AIRCRAFT. UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SUCCESSFUL HOVER TESTING WITH IT, UH, AND SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION. THE WAY OUR OUR VEHICLE WORKS IS, UH, IT'S A TAIL SITTING BIPLANE, IF YOU WILL. AND, UH, SO WE'LL TAKE OFF. THE PILOT WILL WILL BE STANDING INSIDE THE VEHICLE, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE OFF HOVER AND TRANSITION ONTO WINGED FLIGHT. AND THE, THE PILOT WILL AT THAT POINT, UH, ESSENTIALLY FLY LIKE A SUPERHERO. UM, WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED TESTS TRANSITIONING OUR SUBSCALE INTO WINGED FLIGHT, [00:10:01] UM, AT, AT, UH, OH GOSH, I, I HAPPEN TO FORGET THE, THE SPEED THAT WE REACHED AT THE TIME. UM, THIS WAS DONE AT A PRIVATE RANCH, UH, ALSO HERE IN PETALUMA. AND, UH, UM, IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GREAT DAY FOR JUMP ARROW . UM, HERE YOU SEE, UH, THE FULL SCALE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BACK IN BOSTON. UM, WE GOT THE, THE, YOU, YOU SEE SOME, UH, THE WING PODS, THE WINGS THEMSELVES, UH, THE MOLDS AND, AND PARTS BEING PRODUCED, ALL OUT OF CARBON FIBER. UH, SOME UPPER WING MOLDS, UPPER WING PARTS. AND, UM, I'LL GO STRAIGHT INTO THE ROADMAP. SO WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, UH, 2025. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED OUR, OUR WELL COMPLETED OUR FIRST STEPS OF THE SUBSCALE FLIGHT TESTING. UM, 2026, WE PLAN TO HAVE ASSEMBLED AND OUR FIRST HOPS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE FULL SCALE MACHINE, UM, THAT WILL BE REMOTELY OPERATED AND, AND TETHERED TO THE GROUND FOR THE FIRST HOPS. UM, 2027, WE, WE ANTICIPATE GETTING OUR FIRST PILOTED FLIGHTS, UM, IN, UH, 2028 DEMOS AND OUR FIRST LIVES SAVED. WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH PARTNERS, UH, HERE IN CALIFORNIA, I BELIEVE, UH, TEXAS, OKLAHOMA AS WELL, UM, THAT, THAT ARE VYING FOR, UH, FOR, UM, ONE OF OUR MACHINES TO, TO GO SAVE AND SERVICE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PEOPLE. SO, UM, AND THEN 2029, WE WILL, UH, BE SCALING PRODUCTION IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN. UM, SO ROW 18 HANGAR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. UM, WE'LL DO THIS IN A COUPLE OF PHASES. UM, PHASE 1, 20 26, UH, ASSUMING WE GET THE LEASE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN, UH, THE AIRCRAFT, UM, AND THE AIRCRAFT MOCKUP. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN PRODUCTION? WELL, BOTH ARE IN PRODUCTION RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A MOCKUP THAT'S GONNA BE MADE OUT OF FIBERGLASS. IT'LL BE FULL SIZE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE REAL DEAL ALL MADE OUT OF CARBON COMPOSITE. UH, WE HAVE MANY CARBON COMPOSITE PARTS COMPLETED CURRENTLY. UM, THEY'RE ALL SITTING IN BOSTON CURRENTLY, AND WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THEM TO CALIFORNIA SOON. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO FULL-SIZE AIRCRAFT. UM, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO PITCH MOTION SIMULATOR. UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF US IN HERE HAVE SEEN THAT. UM, IT, IT'S A, A FULL, FULL DEAL, UM, UH, FLIGHT SIMULATION, UH, THAT, THAT HAS PITCH CONTROL. SO IT WORK HELPS US WORK WITH THE, UH, HMI TO HUMAN FACTORS, UH, PART OF OUR DESIGN. AND, UH, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO MOVE OUR, UH, TEST TRUCK OUT THERE. AND I, I KNOW SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE HAVE SEEN OUR TEST TRUCK, UH, DRIVING DOWN THE RUNWAY WITH THE MOTOR, GOING FULL TILT, MAKING LOTS OF NOISE, AND, AND APPARENTLY SCARING SOME FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. 'CAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A REAL AIRPLANE COMING TO A SUDDEN STOP. UM, LET'S SEE. THAT SAID, UM, WITH PHASE ONE, WE WOULD, UH, PERS PROCEED TO, UH, UH, SECURE PERMITS TO INSTALL, UM, ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT CHARGING CAPABILITIES. UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BENEFITS, UH, OH, WE'LL GET TO THE BENEFITS IN A MOMENT. UM, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO INSTALL THE BATHROOM FOR, UH, ANY PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE AT THE TIME. UM, WE'D ALSO INTEND TO GET PERMITS FOR, UH, OFFICE SPACE WITH SOME AC AND, UM, PHASE ONE WOULD REALLY JUST HAVE US USING THE HANGAR FOR OCCASIONAL TESTING. UM, TOURS OF LIKE THE PITCH SIMULATOR, A KIND OF DOG AND PONY SHOW, IF YOU WILL, UH, WITH THE FULL SCALE PARTS AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS IN OUR, IN OUR SIMULATOR. UM, PHASE TWO, UM, WOULD BE TO BASE A MAINTENANCE TEAM AND, AND A SMALL TEAM OUT OF THE HANGAR, UM, TO SUPPORT THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, OF THE AIRCRAFT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME RE MORE REGULAR TESTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE A WAYS OUT. UM, UH, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING WE COULD, WE WOULD BE, HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT CHARGING AND SUPPORT TO OUR COMMUNITY AT THAT POINT. EXCUSE ME. UM, SO WHY WOULD JUMP ARROW BE AN EXCEPTIONAL TENANT AT ROW 18 HANGAR? UM, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, WE WILL BE BRINGING ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT CHARGING CAPABILITY TO THE PETALUMA AIRPORT, IF I HADN'T MENTIONED THIS ALREADY. OUR AIRCRAFT IS ALL ELECTRIC, EIGHT ELECTRIC MOTORS WITH, UH, SIX FOOT PROPS AND, UH, UM, BUNCH OF HIGH POWER BATTERIES AND, AND, UH, ALL THE SPECIALIZED, UH, EQUIPMENT TO CHARGE THOSE BATTERIES. SO, UM, WE HAVE GOOD CLOSE PARTNERSHIP WITH ELECTRO ARROW [00:15:01] WHO, UH, IS PROVIDING US, UH, THE CHARGING SYSTEM AND ELECTRO VENTURES. THEY'RE ALSO, UM, THAT PART OF THE DIVISION IS A CUSTOMER OF OURS WITH, UH, PRE-ORDERS ALREADY FOR SERVICING, I BELIEVE. UH, NEW ZEALAND, IF I RECALL, UH, JUMP ARROW WILL CREATE A GROWING NUMBER OF JOBS AT THE AIRPORT IN SUPPORT OF ELECTRIC AVIATION AND ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE'LL BE PROVIDING TRAINING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE ROW 18 HANGAR SPACE WITH THE, WITH THE MOVE OF THE PITCH SIMULATOR IN, INTO THAT SPACE. AND SO THE BENEFITS TO THE PETALUMA, UH, TO THE AIRPORT AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE TO THE GA COMMUNITY. UH, THE JA ONE POLICY, VTOL, UH, TRAINING WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE AIR, YOU KNOW, ON THE AIRPORT PREMISE IN THE PITCH SIMULATOR, UM, WHICH WOULD BE PLUS FOR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, THE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT, UH, MAINTENANCE CAPABILITY, AGAIN, ECONOMIC ACT POSITIVE FOR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. UM, THIS WOULD HELP POSITION PETALUMA AIRPORT AS A LEADER IN ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO POSITIVE PR, IF YOU WILL. IT'LL ALSO HELP CREATE NEW JOBS, UP TO 10 POSITIONS. AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, ADVANCING ECONOMIC ACT ACTIVITY. UM, WE'D ATTRACT POSITIVE VISIBILITY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE FAA, THE DOD, FEMA, ET CETERA. UM, SO GIVING US, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA, POSITIVE PR AND POTENTIAL FOR NEW GRANT FUNDING. SECONDARY BENEFITS, UH, FROM THE INCREASED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WOULD BE MORE FLIGHT OPS, MORE CUSTOMERS AT THE 29 OR DINER, ET CETERA. AND EVENTUALLY, UH, POTENTIAL TO BE, UM, PROVIDING THE LIFESAVING SERVICE TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES RIGHT HERE OUT OF PETALUMA. PRETTY AMAZING. UM, SO TO CONCLUDE, AGAIN, JUMP ARROW AND EMPOWERING SUPERHEROES, UH, WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT JUMP ARROW'S BID FOR THE AVAILABLE ROW 18 HANGER. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR YOU AND THEN, UH, FOR DAN AS WELL. WHAT SIZE, UH, MAYBE EITHER ONE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIZE CURRENTLY, UH, IS THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE IN THAT HANGAR, AND WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THAT YOU WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ALL THE CHARGING CAPABILITIES THAT YOU DESIRE ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? WELL, THE, THE SHORT TERM WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPORTING ONE AIRCRAFT, AND THAT ONE AIRCRAFT, UM, IS, IS GOING TO HAVE VERY, UM, MILD AMOUNT OF TESTING TO BEGIN WITH. UM, THE VERY SHORT, SHORT TERM, THE IMMEDIATE TERM, WE'RE CHARGING A SINGLE CELL OUT OF THAT AIRCRAFT TO SUPPORT THE TRUCK. UM, SO THAT RIGHT NOW, WE, WE, UH, ARE ABLE TO DO THAT IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION. UM, WE'RE HOOKED UP TO THREE PHASE. AND HOW MANY AMPS, DO YOU REMEMBER, JESSE? I THINK IT'S UNDER 30 AMPS, UH, UNDER, UNDER 30 AMPS UNDER 38TH, UNDER 30TH OF THREE PHASE, LIKE FOUR 80, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO THEN THAT'S CURRENTLY, SO BASICALLY, I GUESS MY QUESTION REALLY IS, DOES, DOES THE HANGAR CURRENTLY PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT YOU GUYS WILL REQUIRE? UH, OR, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA TAKE SIGNIFICANT ELECTRICAL UPGRADES TO, UH, MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS? I DON'T BELIEVE IT NEEDS ANY, UH, ELECTRICAL UPDATES FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THAT PARTICULAR HANGAR. UM, IT, UH, DID YOU SAY IT WAS ONLY, IT'S, IT'S ONLY TWO 20 THAT WE'RE USING. IT'S ONLY TWO 20. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, YEAH, I, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, UM, I AM NOT SURE THE EXACT NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF CARL'S ONLINE EITHER, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THERE'S, UH, A HUNDRED AMP SERVICE, UH, AT LEAST OFF OF THE 600 AMP SERVICE TO THE, THE HANGERS THAT THEY SHARE WITH, UM, ROSE 14 THROUGH 17 ON ONE MM-HMM . WHICH I BELIEVE IS 200. AND THEN EACH HANGAR IS KIND OF ASSIGNED ABOUT A HUNDRED AMPS. OH, SINGLE PHASE TWO 20. UM, YEP. THEN THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NEXT DOOR IS ALSO LOOKING FOR MORE POWER, SO THERE COULD BE A FUTURE UPGRADE, UH, MOST LIKELY A LARGER TRANSFORMER. YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, IS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY UPGRADING A THREE-PHASE SERVICE WITH, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORMER UPGRADES. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE THREE PHASE IS IN PLACE, BUT I THINK IT'S THREE PHASE. UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE EXACT CAPABILITIES, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE HANGERS DO HAVE THREE PHASE [00:20:01] AVAILABLE TO 'EM. OKAY. AND WERE WE, ARE WE THREE PHASED WITH OUR CURRENT CHARGE SYSTEM? NO, IT'S, IT'S ONLY NOW JUST SINGLE PHASE. IT'S JUST SINGLE PHASE 30 AMP. SO I, I MISSPOKE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. HAVE A QUESTION. UM, ARE YOU, UH, EXPECTING TO DO PRODUCTION HERE OR WILL PRODUCTION REMAIN IN BOSTON AFTER THE FIRST? SO OUR, OUR INTENT IS, UM, THE, THE COMPOSITES PRODUCTION WILL REMAIN IN, IN BOSTON IN THE NEAR TERM. UM, THERE'S NO, NO, NO PLAN TO MOVE THAT PRODUCTION TO THE AIRPORT WHATSOEVER. UM, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE AIRPORT WILL BE MORE OF, UH, KIND OF A STAGING OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, ENABLE US, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEPLOY TO, TO OUR LITTLE HOPS AND TESTING AND, AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO OUT THERE. UM, YEAH. WOULD YOU BE DOING TRAINING, PILOT TRAINING ALSO? WE, WE WOULD BE DOING TRAINING THROUGH OUR FLIGHT SIMULATOR. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT IN, IN THE, AGAIN, IN PHASE TWO. YES. SO, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING IN, IN 10 JOBS. WHAT KIND OF JOBS ARE THESE? ARE THESE ENGINEERS? YEAH, NO STAFF. IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF ENGINEERS AND, UH, MECHANICS. UM, IT'S, IT'S WHAT I'M IMAGINING, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO, UH, TAKE, TAKE THINGS APART, PUT THINGS TOGETHER, UM, DO SOME TROUBLESHOOTING. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE, UH, IN, IN THIS TEST AND DEVELOPMENT PHASE, IF YOU WILL, FOR, FOR A LITTLE WHILE. I IMAGINE. I, I DON'T IMAGINE WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING EXACTLY PERFECT ON OUR, ON OUR FIRST BUILD OF THIS AIRCRAFT. SO, UM, YEAH. DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ALL RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU EXPAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF JOBS ARE YOU BRINGING IN? YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY ENGINEERS. YEP. YOU KNOW, YEP. THERE'LL BE, THERE'D BE SOME ENGINEERS. I MEAN, I WOULD, I'LL BE OUT THERE PERSONALLY, OFF AND ON AND, AND, UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE CURRENT INTENT IS THAT WE WOULD KEEP OUR CURRENT LOCATION, UM, IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT WE'RE AT. UM, SO THAT'LL KIND OF BE OUR, OUR HEADQUARTERS FOR NOW, IF YOU WILL. UM, AND, AND INDEFINITELY, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY MOVE TO, TO CEASE OPERATIONS THERE. THIS IS MORE OF AN EXPANSION FOR US AT THIS POINT. SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE YOUNG INTERNS AS WELL, UH, THE COMMUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE YOUNG ENGINEERS. WE BRING 'EM IN AND, UH, THEY, UH, THEY GET QUITE A, A, A GOOD LEARNING IN THEIR, WE DID, WE HAD, WE HAD THREE, UH, THREE YOUNG INTERN ENGINEERS OUT AT, UH, AT OUR CAMPUS, UM, THIS SUMMER. AND, UH, HAD TAKEN A COUPLE OF 'EM OUT TO THE AIRPORT WITH US TO HELP US WITH SOME, SOME TESTING AND, AND DATA ACQUISITION OUT THERE. SO, YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. ONE, ONE QUESTION. UM, DO YOU SEE EXPANDING INTO SOME OF THE OPEN AREA THAT IS SO FAR UNDEVELOPED AT THE AIRPORT ALONG SKY RANCH DRIVE THERE AND THE FUTURE? POTENTIALLY? I, I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT, UM, I, I DID SEE, UM, SEE DREAMS AND PLANS, UM, PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? UM, FOR, FOR BUILDING, BUILDING, UH, SOMETHING OUT THERE IN, IN SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE WHERE WE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO MOVE OUR HEADQUARTERS ON PREMISE IN, IN, IN AN IDEAL SITUATION. I MEAN, AS TO GROWTH SUPPORTS THE NEED FOR EXPANSION, SO TO SPEAK. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. WELL, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, HOW THIS CAN GO. UM, I THINK I GAVE YOU A COPY OF MY ECONOMIC IMPACT. I KNOW I SHARED IT WITH YOU, ALEC, BUT, UM, WHEN THE TWO NINER DINER WAS STILL NOT OPERATING, PARTIALLY DUE TO COVID AND SOME OTHER REASONS, UM, WE HAD THE AIRPORT PROVIDES A $45 MILLION A YEAR POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY. NOW THAT THE RESTAURANT IS BACK OPEN, UM, I HAVEN'T UPDATED THOSE NUMBERS YET, BUT THAT WOULD BE HIGHER. UM, AND SURE, WITH YOUR OPERATION BASED HERE WITH EMPLOYEES AND ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE GOING TO THE DINER, WHO KNEW, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL POSITIVE IMPACT. I THINK THAT'S ALL GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, TOM. I, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, GONE TO TWO NINE OR DINER OURSELVES, UH, JUST IN THE, THE YEAR OR TWO THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. SO YEAH. WHAT DO THEY SAY? GOOD FOOD, PLAIN VIEW, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT. . THAT'S RIGHT. . OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. [00:25:01] YES. UM, I DON'T, WHAT ARE YOUR PARKING NEEDS GONNA BE, AND CAN WE MEET THOSE? THAT IS A FINE QUESTION YOU ASK . UM, AGAIN, FOR THE SHORT TERM, I DON'T BELIEVE OUR PARKING NEEDS WILL BE VERY HIGH. UM, WE DO TEND TO ALL PILE IN, UH, ONE OR TWO VEHICLES, UM, AND KIND OF ALL CARPOOL OUT TO THE AIRPORT, IF YOU WILL. CURRENTLY, I DON'T SEE OUR NEEDS CHANGING MUCH FROM THAT IN THE SHORT TERM, UM, AS, AS THE, AS IT GETS DEVELOPED. UM, AND WE HAVE SOME MORE PERMANENT STAFF, UH, PERMANENT STAFF OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW PERMANENT OR YOU KNOW, WHAT THE EXACT SITUATION WILL BE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I IMAGINE IT'LL GROW TO, UH, ONE OR TWO CARS OVER THE NEXT YEAR. AND THEN, UM, WHO KNOWS FROM THERE, HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET IN THE WORKS AND, AND GET A, A, A HEADQUARTERS BUILT OUT THERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO GROW. SO JUST TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, OUT OF THE STREET SIDE, THERE ARE FOUR PARKING SPACES, I BELIEVE, IN FRONT OF EACH UNIT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. UM, THEY'RE ALL SHARED ALONG THAT ROW. SO I THINK THERE'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 TO 16 SPACES NEAR THE HANGAR, UM, THAT WOULD BE SHARED WITH EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS. OF ALL THE BUSINESSES, IT IS PRETTY LIMITED. UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA PARKING THAT IS INSIDE OF THE CITY, UM, PARKING AND HANGAR. IT'S NOT PART OF THE, THE SEPARATE LEASE AREA TO THE, THE SOUTHEAST. SO PARKING HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. UM, THERE ISN'T A LOT OF IT, SO WE WOULD KIND OF ADDRESS THAT AS WE CAME TO IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE EARLY PHASES, THERE WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF PARKING NEEDS, BUT THAT WOULD GROW AND, AND THAT COULD BECOME AN ISSUE, SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS. DO YOU FEEL THAT WE COULD, UH, SUPPORT THEIR PARKING NEEDS, THAT THE, THE INITIAL ABSOLUTELY. UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING ON, ON THE AIR SIDE. THERE IS A, UM, CONCRETE PAD THAT RUNS ALONG, UM, ALL THE HANGAR ROW ON THE INSIDE ON THE AIRFIELD. UM, THERE IS THE ABILITY TO KIND OF PARK PARALLEL WITH THE, WITH THE FACILITY, STILL ALLOW AIRCRAFT, THEIR WINGTIP CLEARANCES. UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF OVERFLOW SPOT. OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE ARE SPOTS ALONG ROWS 14 THROUGH 17. THEY'RE JUST KINDA SHARED. THERE'S USUALLY SPOTS OPEN, SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST. BUT, UM, THERE IS, AS ALWAYS, THERE IS LIMITED PARKING, SO WE'D HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT. WHAT ABOUT OVER IN THE MAIN PARKING AREA DURING, BECAUSE YOU'RE PRIMARILY GONNA BE DURING DAYTIME OUT THROUGH? WE, WE ARE, YEAH. WE, WE OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE TO FIVE, ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. DURING, NOT, THERE'S SPACES OVER THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED AS AN , POTENTIALLY. THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY, UM, AS LONG AS THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANT, UM, AND JUST BASIC NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT OFFICE BUILDING, UM, WE, WE MAKE IT WORK. AND, AND, AND I, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. SORRY. DO WE HAVE CAPABILITY FOR, CAN, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? SORRY, IF SPEAKING, WE HAVE CAPABILITY FOR EXPANSION IN THE, IS NOT IN THE LONG FUTURE. NOT, YEAH, CURRENTLY. YEAH. I I'M SURE CURRENTLY WE'RE FINE. IT'S LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? THERE'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES, I BELIEVE, ROUGHLY THAT IS AVAILABLE. UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, PLANNED TO BE SOME SORT OF, UH, COMMERCIAL AVIATION DEVELOPMENT, SO THERE'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES THERE. THAT'S, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT ONCE YOU WORK OUT ALL THE SETBACKS, IT'S QUITE A BIT LESS. HMM. UM, WE CAN REVISIT THAT. WE HAD SOME DIAGRAMS WE SHARED BEFORE, KIND WHAT WAS AVAILABLE, UM, AND SOME PROPOSALS THAT'S COME, COME OUR WAY. BUT YEAH, THERE IS ROOM AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I SEE OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A LOT OF OPERATIONS WILL START, UM, YOU KNOW, AT JUMP. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING AT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK CURRENTLY, AND WE DO TEND TO JUST PILE IN A COUPLE OF CARS AND, AND, UH, CARPOOL OVER, IF YOU WILL. SO, OH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS INTERESTING. AND ACTUALLY, I HEARD YOUR CEO AT ANOTHER EVENT. UM, SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS DO, AND I'M CURIOUS IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TESTING OR TAKING OFF LANDING, DO YOU NEED ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT FROM, FROM WHAT THE AIRPORT HAS NOW OR SINCE IT'S VERTICAL TAKEOFF? WOULD IT BE JUST LIKE A HELICOPTER? IT WOULD BE LIKE A HELICOPTER, YEAH. WITH A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AND, AND YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. UM, [00:30:01] A LOT OF OUR, UH, INITIAL FLIGHTS ARE, ARE ALL GONNA TAKE PLACE OUT IN A REMOTE DESERT SOMEWHERE. SO, UM, IT WON'T BE UNTIL ALL THE FLIGHT SYSTEMS ARE VERY WELL SORTED OUT, AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN REALLY WELL PROVED OUT THAT WE WOULD START, YOU KNOW, BRINGING, BRINGING MORE TESTING AND OPERATIONS, UH, TOWARDS PETALUMA WITH THE, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT APPROVALS AND WHATNOT. SO, YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. NO, AND IT, AND, UM, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT NANCY, ABOUT BRINGING MANUFACTURING OUT HERE. UM, I MEAN, WOULD IT, WOULD YOU EVER, IS THERE A REASON YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT IN PETALUMA, OR HAS IT EVER BEEN UNDER CONSIDERATION OR? I'M ALL FOR BRINGING MANUFACTURING TO, TO PETALUMA. I'M, I'M A 15 YEAR MANUFACTURING ENGINEER, UH, LOCAL SONOMA COUNTY HERE. AND, UH, THAT THE, THE OWNER OF THAT COMPANY THAT I WORKED FOR AT THE TIME INSISTED THAT WE, UH, NOT OUTSOURCE TO CHINA FOR OUR PRODUCTS, AND I WAS TASKED WITH AUTOMATING AS MUCH AS WE COULD AND JUST RAISING THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE MANUFACTURING FLOOR. UM, SO YES, I, I BELIEVE IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF WHEELS IN THE WORKS. I'M, RIGHT NOW MY POSITION IS SENIOR DESIGN MECHANICAL ENGINEER. SO , I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT TOO MUCH. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT I WOULD PUSH FOR IT PERSONALLY. UM, AND I, I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE. I'VE DONE IT. I'VE, I'VE MADE IT HAPPEN. SO, UM, BUT OKAY. UM, AND DAN, AS FAR AS WHEN HE, HE MENTIONED GRANTS IN HIS PRESENTATION, UM, ARE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY NEW ONES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE OR WHAT KIND OF A PURSE THAT OPENS UP? THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ELECTRIFICATION GRANTS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN LARGE SYSTEMS FOR AIRLINERS TYPE AIRCRAFT OVERNIGHT. UH, DECREASED USE OF GPUS, GROUND POWER UNITS. UM, BUT I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SEVERAL ELECTRIFICATION GRANTS COMING THROUGH THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CHALLENGES. UM, PAVEMENT IS USUALLY OUR, OUR PRIORITY, SO WE TEND TO GO FOR THOSE. AND THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND. SO, UM, WE, WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN GET AS FAR AS GRANTS, BUT IF THERE ARE SOME THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL GO FOR THOSE AND EVEN STATE IF THERE ARE STATE GRANTS AVAILABLE AS WELL. UM, SO IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION TO CONTINUE. MM-HMM . AND, AND THEN AS FAR AS OFFERING, UM, CHARGING, I, UH, I'M NOT AS AWARE OF, OF THAT MANY, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT OUT THERE. UM, IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT JUMP ARROW WOULD OWN AND, AND BASICALLY FACILITATE THE CHARGING AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY COLLECT OFF OF THAT? OR IS IT BECOME, IS IT THE AIRPORTS THEN, OR, OR WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT, I MEAN, GO THAT, THAT'S MORE OF THE PHASE TWO PLAN, AND THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT? THAT WOULD BE UP TO CARL, HONESTLY. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I'M, I'M IMAGINING IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEONE NEEDS A CHARGE AND WE COULD, UM, HELP THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, ONE-OFFS HERE AND THERE TO START, UM, AND THEN IF IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE OF A THING AS, AS ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT BECOME MORE POPULAR AND PREVALENT, WHATNOT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE THE KNOW-HOW TO, TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL SOME INFRASTRUCTURE FOR CHARGING AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WITH YOU GUYS AND, AND EVERYTHING. LIKE, HOW, HOW DOES THAT BILLING HAPPEN AND WHO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO BE SORTED OUT WITH THAT STILL, CERTAINLY. BUT WE WOULD, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER IT, UM, FOR THE FEW FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S THAT'S KILLING YOU, . I KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS ANYWAY, . UM, UM, SO I, I DO WANNA ASK, JUST PROCEDURALLY THOUGH, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS ASKED THEIR QUESTIONS FIRST, WHEN HE HAS ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MIND. UM, DO WE, UM, I, I, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE WANNA HOLD DISCUSSION UNTIL AFTER WE'VE HEARD BOTH PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. UM, AND ASSUMING THERE'S NO OBJECTION, JUST IMAGINING THAT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AFTER HEARING THE SECOND PRESENTATION, WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTIONS TO INVITING JUMP BACK? NOT NECESSARILY TO PRESENT AGAIN, BUT JUST TO BE HERE AS A RESOURCE? UH, SURE. AT THAT NEXT MEETING? I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY. YEAH. SO WOULD YOU, I THINK, SO WOULD YOU FORESEE, UM, A PRESENTATION NEXT MONTH AND THEN ACTION AT THAT MEETING? I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO, BECAUSE I, I THINK WE WERE OUT TIME, OTHERWISE, YEAH, IT'S ALREADY NOVEMBER AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO, OKAY. UM, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. YEAH, THANK [00:35:01] YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT TONIGHT. UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET AN INVITATION FROM A MONTH FROM NOW, TOO, SO, UM, SAVE THE DATE, . ALL RIGHT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UH, ALEX, DO YOU WANNA GIVE A COUNCIL [COMMITTEE COMMENT] UPDATE? I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE, BUT, UM, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING AND SINCE THE MARINA'S TIED TO ALL THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID APPROVE THE WORK THAT WAS DONE DOWN THERE BETWEEN ALL THE, UH, LIGHTING UPGRADES AND EVERYTHING ON THE NEW DOCK. SO THAT, THAT'S MY COUNCIL UPDATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES? BARRY DID A FANTASTIC JOB LAST TIME, RIGHT? UM, YEAH. UH, SORRY. I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THE LAST, UH, COMMISSION MEETING, AND I KNOW BARRY SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, LIAISON AD HOC COMMITTEE. UM, I THINK WE'LL GO ON, UM, TEMPORARY HIATUS FOR A BIT, SINCE I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE KEY, UH, SENIOR STAFF MEMBERS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR, UM, IN THE CITY COVERED AT THIS POINT. UM, ONE THING I, I'D LIKE TO DO WITH, WITH UGF IF, UH, IN, IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, UM, WE WENT THROUGH AN INITIAL, UM, SORT OF IMAGINATION PHASE OF WHAT MIGHT HANGAR DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE IN OUR OPEN AREA, AND THAT SORT OF VERY INITIAL. AND, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY NEEDED TO FIND CLEARLY BEFORE GOING ANY FURTHER IS WHERE THE HECK ARE WE, I MEAN, WE LOOK AT OUR WAITING LIST, IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IT USED TO BE. UH, WHAT'S THE DEMAND? AND IF WE WERE TO ANNOUNCE TO THE AVIATION COMMUNITY IN THE NORTH BAY AREA, UM, THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WOULD THAT ATTRACT ANY POTENTIAL PEOPLE THAT'D WANT TO GET ON A WAITING LIST HAPPENED LAST TIME? BUT AGAIN, EVEN THEN, THE WAITING LIST WAS FIVE OR SIX TIMES MORE THAN IT IS NOW. SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT YOU AND I MIGHT WANT TO DO IS GET TOGETHER FOR A CUP OF COFFEE OR SOMETHING AND, AND JUST DISCUSS THAT AND SEE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS PUT A WHOLE LOT OF EFFORT INTO DOING A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THEN HAVING THOSE BEAUTIFUL NEW HANGERS SIT EMPTY, THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. YEAH. HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, I KNOW DAN'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THINGS CLEANED UP WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPANCY OF ACTIVE AIRCRAFT IN THE CURRENT HANGERS THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT? ONCE THAT'S DONE, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE LIST? EXACTLY. UM, SO AS THINGS HAVE TURNED OVER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WORD WILL GET OUT. I KNOW THAT JUST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE JUST THOUGHT WE'VE HAD A LONG WAITING LIST AND I'M NOT EVEN GONNA BOTHER. AND SOME OF THAT'S CHANGED, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD SOME NEW TENANTS COMING IN, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, SO I GUESS IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. DO YOU KNOW, HAVE WE HAD ANY NEW INTERESTS TO THE LIST? WE HAVE, UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN EITHER WALK, JUST RANDOM WALK-INS, OR IT'S A HANGAR THAT WE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. SO EVERY SO OFTEN WE'LL GET ONE TO THREE HANGERS THAT COME AVAILABLE AND THEY, WE PUT ON THE WEBSITE AND WE GO THROUGH 'EM PRETTY QUICK AND THEY GET SCOOPED UP, UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE MEETING. SO ALONG WITH THE HANGAR LIST, UM, AS REQUESTED BY, UH, THE COMMISSION, IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN WE PRESENTED THOSE HANGAR LAYOUTS AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT LAYOUTS AND WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE NEED, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR MORE DATA, UM, WHICH IS KINDA HARD TO DO. UM, THE METHOD THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE PULLED ALL SONOMA, NAPA, SAN FRANCISCO, UM, SORRY, NOT SAN FRANCISCO, UM, UH, MARIN, UH, ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTIES, DATA FROM THE FA WEBSITE FOR REGISTRATION. NOW, JUST BECAUSE AN AIRCRAFT'S REGISTERED IN THE, THE COUNTY DOESN'T MEET NECESSARILY THERE, BUT IN MOST CASES, I WOULD SAY 80 TO CLOSE TO 90%, WHERE THAT AIRCRAFT IS REGISTERED IS WITHIN DRIVING DISTANCE AN HOUR OR TWO FROM WHERE, WHERE THAT AIR AIRCRAFT ACTUALLY IS, WHAT AIRPORT'S LOCATED BY ITS REGISTRATION ADDRESS. SO THAT'S ONE METHOD WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT GOING WITH THE AIRCRAFT DATA, THE FLIGHT DATA TO SEE WHAT WAS FLYING AROUND. WE MAY DO THAT TOO. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO NAIL THAT DOWN. UM, THIS WAY IT SEEMED A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, REASONABLE TO JUST KIND OF ASSUME CERTAIN LEVELS OF REGISTRATION. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET PERCENTAGES OF SIZES OF AIRCRAFT. SO WE HAVE ALL THE MODELS AND WE'RE TRYING TO NARROW THAT DOWN, UM, USING A DATABASE OF AIRCRAFT SIZES, TRYING TO MATCH THAT WITH THOSE, UH, REGISTERED AIRCRAFT, UM, TYPES, WHICH IS DIFFICULT 'CAUSE THE FA DOESN'T FOLLOW IKO STANDARDS. [00:40:01] MM-HMM . . UM, SO IT'S A LABOR OF LOVE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO MATCH THOSE UP SO THAT WE CAN START TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S JUST THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE. 34% OF THESE AIRCRAFT HAVE WINGSPANS BETWEEN THESE NUMBERS, WHICH ARE TARGETED. THAT'S THE ONES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S THE ONES WE WANT TO, WE WERE LOOKING TO DO. SO TRY TO TRY TO BUILD THAT OUT. WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE NUMBER, THE KIND OF PERCENTAGE AND, AND NUMBERS OF AIRCRAFT IN THE BAY AREA. AND I THINK IF ONE METHOD, THIS IS NOT DEFINITIVE, BUT JUST ONE METHOD OF LOOKING AT THIS IS IF WE ARE SCALING OUR HANGAR AVAILABILITY BASED ON THE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT AND, AND, UM, PERCENTAGES THAT WE SEE IN THE BAY AREA, I THINK WE'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO BE, ALONG WITH A LITTLE BIT OF FORWARD THINKING AIRCRAFT ARE COMING OUT, BECOMING MORE POPULAR. UM, EXAMPLE THIS, WE JUST HAD A CIRS, UH, UM, OWNER JUST JUST PURCHASED A CIRRUS. IT IS, IT IS A WAYS OUT FOR, UH, UNDER PRODUCTION, BUT THEY NEED A HANGER AND IT'S A REALLY TIGHT FIT IN A A 41, BUT THEY CAN DO IT. SO THAT'S THE SORT OF CUSTOMERS WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF IS, I ORDERED A PLANE, I NEED SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT QUICK? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, AND, AND AS YOU, I GUESS THE OTHER PART TO, IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PLANE IS WHAT IT IS, BUT SORRY, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HANGERS ARE OUT THERE AT THE OTHER AIRPORTS, BECAUSE IF, IF 90% OF THE HANGERS OUT THERE ARE LESS THAN THAT SIZE, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY AN UNTAPPED, AN UNMET NEED FOR THOSE BIGGER. SO I THINK THAT THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE A PART OF IT AS WELL. MM-HMM . THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S OUT THERE IN TERMS OF, OF, OF HANGAR SIZES AT OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE PART OF THE DECISION PROCESS AND DRIVE WHICH DIRECTION AND HOW MUCH OF A CERTAIN THING WE DO. AND I'LL SAY THE FAA REGISTRATION DATABASE IS PROBABLY GREAT FOR PISTONS. UH, MY GUESS IS MOST OF THE TURBINES ARE GONNA BE PROBABLY LIVING IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE, OR, UH, THE BANK OF UTAH . YES. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DEMAND FOR THOSE, 'CAUSE LIKE TOM AND I TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF HANGERS, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TOSSED AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE, A TYPE OF HANGAR FOR A SINGLE TURBINE TYPE AIRCRAFT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT A BIG COMMITMENT, A LOT OF MONEY MOVING FORWARD. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF MORE TEE HANGERS? IS IT GONNA BE FOCUSING ON THE TURBINE MARKET? UM, SO YEAH, AS MUCH DATA AS WE CAN GET, THE BETTER. AND IF YOU HEAR FROM ANY OTHER AIRPORTS AND KIND OF WHAT THEIR FORECAST IS AND THEIR DEMAND, UM, ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP US KIND OF, YEAH, LOOK, LOOK AT THE FUTURE DEMAND, BUT AT LEAST CURRENTLY FOR THE TEE HANGERS, AS THOSE ARE TURNED OVER, YOU'RE SEEING THAT THOSE ARE BEING FILLED? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, YES, IT, IT, THE DEMAND HAS DEFINITELY CHANGED, BUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER IS WHAT IS SORT OF THE LARGEST REASONABLY, THERE'S A, THERE'RE GONNA BE A LIMIT, RIGHT? WE JUMP AT A CERTAIN LIMIT AND WE GO TO LIKE BOX HANGERS AND WE GO TO LARGER HANGERS, BUT WHAT IS THAT SORT OF REASONABLE SIZE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET AS MANY OF THE FLEET AS WE CAN. WE WANNA BUILD IT SORT OF FOR THE, THE GREATEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THAT WE CAN, CAN DO WITHOUT BEING A REASONABLE, SO WHETHER THAT'S A 45 OR, OR A 43 OR WHATEVER IT IS, TRYING TO FIND THAT KIND OF SWEET SPOT WHERE WE CAN GET AS MANY OF THOSE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND ALSO ONES THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE POPULAR OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. OKAY. WELL, HAPPY TO GET TOGETHER ANYTIME AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER. OKAY. I'LL BE IN TOUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. TWO, THANKS GENTLEMEN. I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY HELPFUL. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES? CLAUDIA, I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK. SURE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO LIST OUR CURRENT OPEN AD HOCS UNDER THIS AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE? THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? YEAH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, TOM . OH, OKAY. JUST, JUST A COUPLE. UH, JUST A QUICK UPDATE. UM, OUR UPCOMING FINAL DISPLAY DAY OF, UH, 2025 WILL BE THE 18TH, I BELIEVE, THIRD SATURDAY. UM, IN SEPTEMBER WE HAD 230 PEOPLE VISIT, UH, WHICH WAS UP SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE PRIOR MONTH. IN JUNE, WE HAD 2,300 PEOPLE COME TO OUR BIG, BEAUTIFUL SUMMER BASH OPEN HOUSE. UM, AND, UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING TO THE AIRPORT TO SEE THE AIRPLANES, UM, I AM GUESSING 80% HAD NEVER BEEN TO THE AIRPORT BEFORE TO SEE THE AIRPLANES. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. AND SO MANY LITTLE KIDS, [00:45:02] I MEAN, THE LITTLE KID, SOME OF THEM CARRYING LITTLE TOY AIRPLANES WHEN THEY WALK THROUGH THE GATE, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH TO BELIEVE. IT SORT OF REMINDS ME OF ME WHEN I WAS THREE, BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS A FEW DAYS AGO. UM, ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THIS, UM, IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT, BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN AROUND, UH, PETALUMA AIRPORT FOR A FEW CENTURIES, UM, THE, UM, FORMER CITY MANAGER, JOHN SHIRA, WAS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL AND A KEY DRIVING FORCE TO GETTING THE ORIGINAL AIRPORT TEAM TOGETHER BEFORE EVEN AN AIRPORT COMMISSION. THE AIRPORT COMMITTEE WORKED WITH JOHN AS CITY MANAGER BACK IN THE DAY, AND HE HELPED GET THE FUNDING, THE LAND EMINENT DOMAIN AND ALL THE REST OF IT TOGETHER SO THAT WE HAVE THE FACILITY WE HAVE TODAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW, BUT HE PASSED AWAY ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, 90 YEARS OLD. UH, AND IN JUNE, I REMEMBER HE CAME OUT TO THE BIG BASH AND I SAW HIM WALKING AROUND LOOKING AT THE AIRPLANES. I HADN'T SEEN HIM IN AGES. UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR HIM ON THE EIGHTH OF THIS MONTH AT 11:00 AM AT ST. JAMES CHURCH. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE ALL AWARE OF THAT, BECAUSE IF IT WEREN'T FOR JOHN, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. SO THANK YOU. THANKS, TOM. UH, I, SO I HAD ONE THING. I HAD, UH, SOMEBODY REACH OUT TO ME, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH, UM, A PROPOSAL TO BUILD A MINOR LEAGUE SPORTS, UH, FIELD, BASEBALL FIELD, UM, AT THE EAST WASHINGTON, UH, SPORTS COMPLEX. AND I GUESS THIS WAS PROPOSED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. I, I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER SAER ABOUT THIS, UM, BRIEFLY JUST TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE HISTORY ON IT. AND I GUESS THERE WERE SOME ISSUES, UH, WITH THE PROJECT BACK THEN AND THE GROUP THAT WAS INVOLVED THEN, OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME NEW, NEW PEOPLE INVOLVED NOW, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, UM, ARE TRYING TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. UM, AND THEY ASKED ME TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I KNEW WHAT, UM, THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, PROCESS WOULD BE, UM, TO GET THIS, UH, LOOKED AT. AND I THINK THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP LAST TIME WAS THE PROJECT, UM, AT THE, AT THE CURRENT, UH, EAST WASHINGTON SPORTS COMPLEX IS INSIDE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE FOR THE AIRPORT. IT'S NOT, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE, UH, RUNWAY, THE SIDELINE SAFETY ZONE, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IS NOT NECESSARILY ENCOURAGED WITHIN THAT ZONE. NOT TO SAY THAT THERE COULDN'T BE A VARIANCE ISSUED. UM, FROM MY RESEARCH AND FROM TALKING TO DAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROCESS FOR THAT WOULD BE, UM, A HEARING WITH THE CINEMA COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION, UM, FOR ANY POTENTIAL VARIANCES. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, IN IN FAVOR OR NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M JUST TRYING TO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION, UM, IF THEY WANTED TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO SEE IF THIS IS EVEN A POSSIBILITY, UM, TO BRING THIS HERE TONIGHT, I RECOMMENDED THEY, IF THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT ISSUES CAME UP IN THE PAST, WHAT ISSUES WOULD BE, UM, A CONCERN PRESENTLY IF THEY WERE TO GO TO, UH, THE SONOMA COUNTY, UH, COMMISSION TO EVEN ASK FOR THIS. UM, SO THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT, UM, HAD PROPOSED THIS WASN'T AVAILABLE TO PRESENT TONIGHT, SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE THEIR PLAN TO REQUEST A PRESENTATION NEXT MONTH. UM, SO I SAID I WOULD AT LEAST JUST BRING THIS UP TO SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT, UM, MAY BE COMING NEXT MONTH. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. YEAH. THANKS, JEFF. I, I DO HA, HAPPY TO HAVE SOME, UM, LIKE SPECIAL REQUESTS FOR THE CONTENT OF THAT PRESENTATION MENTIONED TONIGHT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SINCE IT'S NOT AN AGENDIZED PRESENTATION OR DISCUSSION TOPIC, THAT WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO IT TONIGHT. UM, BUT ASSUMING THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TIME TO DO BOTH THE SECOND POTENTIAL TENANT AND THIS NEXT MONTH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, THE WAY TO START THE CONVERSATION. UM, SO IF THERE'S THINGS THAT FOLKS WANNA MAKE SURE GET INCLUDED IN THAT PRESENTATION, UM, QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE. OTHERWISE, YES, I KNOW, NANCY, YOU HAVE SO MUCH DEPTH OF HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE ON THIS AND I, I'LL, I'LL JUST BE REALLY QUICK. I WANNA KNOW, UM, THEIR PROPOSED CAPACITY, UM, THE PARKING, HOW THEY WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING AND A PLAN OF THE LAYOUT, [00:50:01] UM, AND THE HEIGHT OF ANY SEATING ARRANGEMENT. OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY. I'LL PASS IT ALONG. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, I ALSO, MAYBE ANY POSSIBLE FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS THEY MIGHT WANT TO START PLACING, THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN OKAY. AT A FACILITY THAT SIZE. SO WHO WENT TO REACH OUT? I'D BE HAPPY TO, OR IF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA REACH OUT AND REQUEST THAT, UH, PRESENTATION. YEAH. I GUESS I THINK THE NEXT THING IS I CAN, UM, REACH OUT AND JUST ASK THEM TO MAYBE MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST. YEAH. MAYBE MAKE THE INTRODUCTION TO MYSELF AND DAN. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE THE DETAILS OF THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SHOULD WORK. YEAH. AT WORST, IF THEY'RE NOT READY THEN TO SEND IT. YEAH, WE CAN ALWAYS CAN PUSH IT OFF TOGETHER MONTH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT? I HAVE ONE, UM, THAT'S STILL VERY MUCH IN THE FORMATIVE STAGE, BUT JUST TO, UH, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A CON IT IS A EARLY STAGES OF THE CONVERSATION. UM, BUT, UH, OLD ADOBE ELEMENTARY, UM, IS STARTING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN POTENTIALLY CREATING A WALKING PATH THAT WOULD ABUT PART OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. UM, POTENTIALLY GO THROUGH THE DRAINAGE FIELD. ALL OF THE DETAILS ARE YET TO BE WORKED OUT. UM, BUT THERE'S FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND BLUE ZONES AND, UM, SAFE PASS TO SCHOOL AND, AND SEVERAL OTHER REALLY KEY GROUPS THAT ARE STARTING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. UM, THERE'S REALLY NO WALKABILITY ACCESS TO THAT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW. UM, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S OFF OF ADOBE ROAD . UM, SO WE'D HAVE TO BE, UH, COORDINATED WITH THE PARCEL OWNERS THAT ABUT THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WITH THE AIRPORT. UM, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WOULD CONNECT OFF THE EAST WASHINGTON FIELDS INSTEAD OF, UH, GOING ALONG LIKE THAT DRAINAGE FIELD AREA. UM, BUT THE MAP OF WHERE THE FAMILIES THAT ATTEND THAT SCHOOL CURRENTLY ARE PUSHED TOWARDS NOT GOING THROUGH THE EAST WASHINGTON FIELDS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE SOUTH THAN ON THAT SIDE. SO, UM, VERY, VERY EARLY STAGES OF CONVERSATION THERE. UM, NOTHING REALLY TO PRESENT OTHER THAN JUST TO SHARE THAT IT'S, UM, A CONVERSATION THAT'S KIND OF GAINING MOMENTUM AND I THINK IS FOUND THE RIGHT FOLKS FROM THE CITY AND COUNTY PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO WHEN THEY'RE READY, UH, WE CAN CONNECT THEM UP WITH OUR ENCOR PERMIT AND THE EASEMENT. OKAY. UM, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THAT AND WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. PERFECT. THAT'D BE PERFECT. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL, UM, I'M ALSO ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR THAT, FOR THE OLD TOBY SCHOOL BOARD, SO WE'LL NAVIGATE THAT AS APPROPRIATE AS WELL. BUT, UM, MAYBE THE OTHER TRUSTEE AND, AND THE SUPERINTENDENTS THAT ARE WORKING THAT CAN, CAN, MOST LIKELY IT'S NOT AIRPORT DESIGNATED LAND. IT'D BE MORE PROBABLY CITY AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO IT MIGHT NOT EVEN REALLY TOUCH AIRPORT AT THAT POINT. OKAY. YEAH. AND CITY'S INVOLVED. YEP. SO I JUST WANTED, DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A SURPRISE FOR GREAT FOR ANYONE HERE IF THAT, UM, STARTED TO GET SOME VISIBILITY OUTSIDE OF THE IMMEDIATE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE BEING HAD. SO MORE, MORE TO COME AS APPROPRIATE ON THAT IN THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, DAN, STAFF [STAFF COMMENT] COMMENT PLEASE. THANK YOU. I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE JUST FOR TIME TONIGHT. UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, WHERE WE WERE ON THE AIRPORT, UH, OPERATING FUND. UM, ACCORDING TO MY, THE SOFTWARE WE USE, UM, WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 1.3 MILLION RESERVES. UM, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH SOME FOLKS IN FINANCE THAT COULD VERIFY THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT OUR SYSTEM SHOWS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26, UH, 1.36 MILLION, UM, IN RESERVES. THAT IS GONNA CHANGE QUITE A BIT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID OUT, WHAT, UM, GRANTS WE ARE, UH, ANTICIPATING BEING PAID BACK FOR ALL THAT. BUT THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE SHOWING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. UM, TRACKING VERY WELL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, VERY EARLY YET ABOUT 278,000 IN THE REVENUE, ABOUT ONE 29,000 IN EXPENDITURES. UM, JUST BRIEFLY, I WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, FUEL ISLAND FUNCTIONALITY. THERE WAS, UM, SOME QUESTIONS, UH, LAST MONTH ABOUT, UM, LIKE AN OVERRIDE SWITCH. YOU KNOW, HOW HOW CAN WE PUMP FUEL WHEN WE LOSE, UH, DATA, UM, COVERAGE FOR THE ISLAND? THE ISLAND RUNS OFF OF A A CELL SYSTEM. IT DOESN'T RUN OFF OF A HIGH HOT, HARDWIRED DATA CONNECTION. IT CAN, IT CAN, I MEAN, AND IT COULD BE HOOKED UP, BUT, UM, TRADITIONALLY HAS ALWAYS BEEN CELL, WHICH TENDS TO BE THE MOST RELIABLE. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO REALLY GO JUST REALLY QUICKLY KIND OF WHAT OUR SYSTEM IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T. SO, UM, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE UNMANAGED SYSTEMS OR LIKE KIND OF OLD SCHOOL GAS STATIONS OR FLEET, LIKE A REALLY OLD FLEET SERVICE STATION WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LOCK OR A KEY OR A, A SWITCH ON THE WALL AND YOU CAN PUMP, I HAVE ONE OF THESE IN ANOTHER FACILITY. UM, IT'S REALLY EASY TO PUMP WHEN AS LONG AS YOU HAVE POWER, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. UM, THE ISSUE COMES INTO THESE MORE THE MANAGED SYSTEMS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CONNECT A COMPUTER [00:55:01] LIKE QT POD TO MANAGE WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT FUEL. UM, AND, AND, AND MOST ENTITIES THAT DO THAT, HOOK THAT UP TO A ACCOUNTING SYSTEM THAT IS ABLE TO CAPTURE ALL THOSE TRANSACTIONS, GET THEM INTO DAILY OR MONTHLY REPORTS AND BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO GO TO A MANUAL SYSTEM. IN THEORY, IT CAN BE DONE. WE CAN, WE CAN ESSENTIALLY CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM, HAVE A MOD, A MODIFICATION TO THAT TO PUMP. THE PROBLEM IS TO DO AN AFTERMARKET DOES PUT US IN SOME JEOPARDY OF MALFUNCTION. UM, THE, THE, THE DISPENSER WE HAVE CAN BE PUT INTO MANUAL MODE. HOWEVER, IT DOES TAKE A TECH TO DO THAT. THAT'S NOT ANYBODY THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY. UM, SO CAN IT BE DONE? IT, IT COULD. I THINK THE ONLY TIME THAT WOULD BE DONE WOULD BE IF IT WAS JUST A LONG-TERM. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ENER WHERE THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT A LONG-TERM SCENARIO WHERE WE WERE PUMPING BASICALLY OFFLINE. UM, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A NEED. AND IF IT IS A NEED, I THINK WE'RE WE PASSED ANY KIND OF SCENARIO THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SO FAR. UM, OVERALL OUR SYSTEM IS VERY RELIABLE. UM, IT'S VERY, IT WOULD BE VERY, THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE A NETWORK CONNECTION AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE POWER. UM, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE THAT WOULD HAPPEN OTHER THAN LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE OR A MAJOR DISASTER WHERE WE LOST OUR NETWORKS. UM, AND I GUESS MY RESPONSE TO FOLKS THAT WOULD SAY, WELL, WE WILL STILL WANNA BE ABLE TO PUMP, WE'RE JUST NOT SET UP FOR THAT. WE JUST ARE NOT, WE DON'T, IF, IF THINGS ARE THAT BAD, THE CHANCES ARE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES COMING INTO WORK. THINGS HAVE COME TO GROUND TO A STOP. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY'S GONNA TRY THEIR BEST TO GET THINGS UP AND RUNNING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S GONNA BE OUR FIRST AND PRIMARY GOAL IS GETTING, UM, CRITICAL SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY LIKE A WEATHER STATION, ALL THAT UP. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FUEL, IF WE ARE MANUAL FUEL, IT DOES REQUIRE A, A HUMAN EMPLOYEE TO COME OUT AND DO THAT. AND SO A SITUATION WHERE THINGS ARE SO BAD, WE DON'T HAVE NETWORK COVERAGE, UM, OR WE'VE LOST THE SYSTEM UNLESS IT'S A, A SYSTEM WIDE ISSUE WITH QT POD, UM, OR SOMETHING MINOR, THEN HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET UP RUNNING IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A SCENARIO THAT WE WOULD ENCOUNTER. SO I GUESS THE RISKS TO DOING, TO MAKING MODIFICATIONS AND, AND TO THE SYSTEM OR SETTING IT IN A PERMANENT, SEMI-PERMANENT STATE TO BE ABLE TO PUMP WITHOUT, UM, AUTHORIZATION FROM THE, THE SERVER THAT RUNS IT ALL. UM, IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT, IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES WITH THAT IN ADDITION TO WE HAVE TO COUNT FOR ALL THOSE GALLONS AND GET THEM BACK INTO THE SYSTEM SOMEHOW, WHICH IS A MANUAL ENTRY NIGHTMARE. SO, UM, CAN IT BE DONE? YES. SHOULD IT BE DONE? PROBABLY NOT. UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME SCENARIOS THAT FOLKS CAN THINK OF WHERE I'VE GOTTA GET OUT, THERE'S A MAJOR THING I NEED TO FUEL. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT OUR FUEL ISLAND IS, SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR EMERGENCY PLANS. UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. I WILL SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NATIONWIDE OUTAGES WITH, UH, CELL PROVIDERS AND DATA AND QT POD. THERE'S THOSE HAVE HAPPENED. UM, AND I'VE BEEN UNABLE TO GET FUEL DURING THOSE TIMES WHEN THAT'S HAPPENED. UM, SO I WILL MENTION THAT. UH, MY QUESTION IS THOUGH, HOW DO WE ACTIVATE THE PUMP WHEN WEIGHTS AND MEASURES COMES OUT? UH, WE ARE USING OUR PROPRIETARY CARDS TO ACTIVATE THE SYSTEM. OKAY. SO THERE'S A WAY. SO IN THEORY, UH, CARD, UH, SO THE CARD, BUT THE CARD IS, IS THAT BEING LOCALLY APPROVED OR IS THAT BEING APPROVED OVER THE NETWORK? THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE. SO THAT HAS TO BE GO OUT TO THE SERVER THAT IS NOT ON SITE. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN IN STATE. SO WE DON'T, THERE'S NO WAY CURRENTLY TO ACTIVATE IT WITHOUT GOING OVER THE NETWORK? NO, EVEN INTERNALLY, I THINK WITH SOME MECHANICAL PUMPS OR SOME CERTAIN MODELS AND THINGS, THERE IS A SWITCH INSIDE QT POD THAT CAN DO MANUAL FUELING AND THEN IT TRIES TO SAVE BEST IT CAN THOSE TRANSACTIONS AND THEN GET 'EM BACK IN THE SERVER. OURS ISN'T SET UP THAT WAY. SO IN, IN THEORY, IF YOU HAVE ALL THE RIGHT PIECES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY IN THE MANUAL IT SHOWS IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO, UM, BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, IT IS AUTHORIZED, WHETHER IT'S A PRI PROPRIETARY CARD OR A CREDIT CARD, IT IS AUTHORIZED FROM THE SERVER FOR QT POD. SO AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DO THIS TOMORROW, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA GET A HARDWARE UPGRADE ON THE QT POD, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT ADDING THAT FUNCTIONALITY. I THINK, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT IF IT'S, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A WAY TO ACTIVATE THE PUMP [01:00:01] WITHOUT NETWORK RESOURCES. UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO AN UPGRADE AND THAT'S AN OPTION. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SHOULD ANY ANYBODY WHO HAS A FUEL DISPENSER SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACT, ACTIVATE IT WITHOUT, UM, AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD. I JUST, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FUNCTION ON WAS. YEAH. THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT COLIN, YOU HAD ASKED ME OVER EMAIL AND DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO THE AGENDA 'CAUSE WE GOT DISTRACTED. UM, BUT JUST ABOUT COMM YOU WERE ASKING, ASKING ABOUT EMERGENCY YEAH. YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS IN EMERGENCY. UM, THE AIRPORT HAS A DISASTER PLAN, I ASSUME. MM-HMM . EMERGENCY PLAN. UM, MAYBE WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS IS THAT WE JUST WANNA DO A REVIEW OF THAT EMERGENCY PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH A LEVEL OF PREPAREDNESS THAT WE HAVE FOR FUEL FOR COMMS, FOR THE GENERATOR. RIGHT. LIKE, 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS PIECES OF, OF THIS OVER THE YEARS, BUT MAYBE IT'S TIME TO JUST DO A REVIEW OF THAT. SURE. I, I DID, I THINK THE, THE WEAK LINK THAT I THINK ISN'T BEING TAKEN ACCOUNT THOUGH IS THE HUMAN BEING EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY WHO'S ONLY, THE ONLY ONES COULD BE ABLE TO PUMP THAT FUEL. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN UP THE PUMPS AND DO THE HONOR SYSTEM UNATTENDED. THAT JUST DOESN'T NO, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. YEAH, BUT I MEAN, IF, I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE ATTENDED DURING THE DAY ANYWAY, THERE'S NO REASON WHY A CITY EMPLOYEE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ACCESS CARD THEY COULD USE TO TURN THE DISPENSER ON PUMP 30 GALLONS AND THEN CHARGE 'EM EITHER CASH OR EVEN A CREDIT CARD MACHINE, A SEPARATE CREDIT CARD MACHINE. IT'S NOT INTEGRATED WITH THE QT POD. UM, SURE. IF, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. JUST, JUST AS A BACKUP, MY, I LIKE A, A A DIFFERENT MODEL WHERE YOU WOULD FLY TO AN AIRPORT THAT HAS, UH, TRUCK FUELING. I THINK TRUCK FUELING IS THE WAY TO GO. AND IT'S BEEN COMMON BEFORE WHEN WE HAVE TRUCK FUELING, MAYBE WE WILL SOMEDAY, BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER UNDER A REFUEL UM, OPERATION. THERE'S A LOT OF AIRPORTS THAT HAVE THOSE. UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY CONTINGENCY PLAN IF I WAS LOOKING TO GET EMERGENCY FUEL. I MEAN, EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THE CARD READER GOING OUT, RIGHT? LET'S SAY THAT THE, THE CARD SWIPE STOPS WORKING. MM-HMM . HOW DO WE PUMP FUEL? IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT YOU'RE SURE IT HAPPENED. IT, THIS HAPPENED TO ME AT SONOMA SKY PARK ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THEY TURNED THE PUMP ON. I PUMPED 70 GALLONS AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, THEY CHARGED ME MANUALLY. SO, I MEAN, I'M SAYING THESE THINGS HAPPEN. YEAH. UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO GO RETROFIT EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE ARE GONNA BE DOING ANY KIND OF UPGRADES IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE INCORPORATED. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG. WE CAN TRY. I JUST WILL SAY THAT SINCE OUR SYSTEM IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED IN YOUR AVERAGE LEGACY SYSTEM THAT YOU'LL FIND AT SMALL AIRPORTS, IT IS MUCH HARDER TO DO THAT. SONOMA SKY PARK HAS THE SAME QT POD SET UP, BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THE BACK END. SO KEEP IN MIND WE DO THIS ALL AUTOMATED, SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO DO MANUAL TRANSACTIONS BACK IN THE SYSTEM. WE DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING EVERY DAY IT GOES IN. IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO DO THAT. IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS ALL OF THIS IS OUTSIDE OF OUR SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY WHEN IT COMES TO F FUTURE UPGRADES. BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE WE DO HEAR YOU. THAT THAT IS A, A DESIRE. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN EVERY DAY. YEAH. I JUST THINK IF WE HAVE TO PUT IN A FEW MANUAL TRANSACTIONS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I THINK WHATEVER LEGWORK IS INVOLVED IN DOING THAT IS A LOT BETTER THAN NOT HAVING THE ABILITY AT ALL. YEAH. SO, OKAY. UM, NOT TOO MANY OTHER UPDATES. UH, JUST KIND OF THREE MAIN ONES. UH, HANGER, UH, TWO LIMA. UH, THE CONTRACTOR IS, UH, TARGETING, UH, OCTOBER 6TH FOR DELIVERY, I BELIEVE THE STEEL TO THE AIRPORT. I'M NOT, UH, WE HAVEN'T CHECKED IN WITH THIS WEEK WITH THEM, BUT THAT WAS THEIR LAST ESTIMATE. IT WAS SLIGHTLY DELAYED. UM, SO WE'RE HOPING STEEL THIS NEXT WEEK AND, AND STARTING TO INSTALL THAT. UM, HANGAR 18 C UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK PREVIOUSLY WE OPENED BIDS ON THE 18TH. UH, WE SELECTED A LOW BIDDER. UM, THEY, THEY ARE A QUALIFIED LOW BIDDER. AN AWARD IS GOING TO COUNSEL ON OCTOBER 20TH TO AWARD THAT CONTRACT TO THE, UM, TO THAT, UM, CONTRACTOR AND THEN WE'LL AS SHORTLY AS POSSIBLE AFTER THAT WE'LL GET INTO A CONTRACT AND, UM, PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND THEN GET THAT PROJECT ROLLING. UM, AS SOON AS AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T HAVE A AN ESTIMATED UH, COMPLETION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE BEGINNING PARTS OF PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, ASSESSING THE PROJECT AND, AND POTENTIALLY STARTING WORK SOMEWHERE IN NOVEMBER IS OUR, IS OUR TARGET RIGHT NOW. UH, AND THEN THE BEST NEWS OF ALL, UH, WE WERE AWARDED THREE [01:05:01] SEPARATE GRANTS, UH, FROM, FROM THE FAA. UM, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS, UH, WE HAD KIND OF PRE-APPROVED, UH, FUNDING FOR HALF OF ALPHA AND HALF OF THE BRAVO TAXI LANE PROJECTS. UM, DUE TO THE INCREASED COSTS, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE THE INITIAL SCOPE THAT WE HAD SET OUT TO DO WITH THE, UM, FUNDING THAT WAS PROJECTED YEARS AGO, EVEN WITH, UM, ESCALATION AND, AND INFLATION COSTS BUILT IN. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE FAA, WE SAID WE NEED, WE WOULD LIKE SOME MORE FUNDING FOR THIS. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE FULL FUNDING FOR TAX AWAY ALPHA, WHICH IS ABOUT 3.7 MILLION. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, NOT ONLY GET OUR A IG UH, BIL UH, GRANT THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT 246,000 PER YEAR. THAT'S BEEN, UM, KIND OF COMPOUNDING IN OUR, UM, ACCOUNT. UM, AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND MOST OF THAT ON, UM, HALF OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR TAXIWAY BRAVO. AND IN THE OTHER HALF WE WERE ABLE TO GET A COMPANION, A IP GRANT TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS, WHICH WAS GREAT. SO WITH THE THREE GRANTS, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE ORIGINAL SCOPING, UM, OF TAXIWAY BRAVO FROM ROW FOUR ALL THE WAY TO THE RUNUP. AND THEN, UM, TAXI AWAY ALPHA FULL LENGTH, WHICH WE'RE REALLY, REALLY HAPPY AND EXCITED ABOUT. SO, UM, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS. UM, I CAN'T BEGIN TO EXPLAIN ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE HAD TO DO, UH, BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND, UM, IT'S A REAL WIN AND WE'RE EXCITED TO GET STARTED. UH, PROBABLY LATE SPRING, UM, EARLY SUMMER, DEPENDING ON CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY AND, UH, WEATHER. UM, AND IN THE MEANTIME WE ARE DOING THE TAX, THE, UH, TAX. WE ALPHA CLOSURE FROM ALPHA THREE TO ALPHA FOUR, PG E UM, STARTED WORK, UH, TODAY, SAW CUTTING AND EXCAVATING THE SITE TO REPAIR THAT PIPE. UM, THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS A COUPLE WEEKS. COULD BE MORE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING TO IT PRETTY QUICKLY AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY'LL GET THAT REPAIR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, GET IT BACKFILLED PAVED AND THEN GET OUT OF THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, THANKFULLY THE WEATHER HASN'T BEEN GREAT FOR FLYING, SO IT REALLY HAS AN INCONVENIENCE TO TOO MANY FOLKS. AND, UM, ALL, ALL FLIGHTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING COMING IN THE AIRPORT HAVE NOT BEEN HINDERED BY THIS PROJECT. THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE FOR UPDATES. ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE ITEMS OR ANYTHING ELSE I DIDN'T MENTION? CONGRATULATIONS ON THE GRANTS. IT IS A LOT OF WORK. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS FOR DOING THAT. ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT, WELL, IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR DAN OR OTHER COMMENT, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN GOING, GOING 7 0 8. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.