* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON [CALL TO ORDER] EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 15TH, 2025. UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT CHAIR, DARREN KUSON ISN'T WITH US TODAY. HE IS, HE'S FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER. UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS WITHOUT TOO MANY, UH, FITS AND STARTS. UH, I WANTED TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE GREAT ENERGY AND PROGRESS THIS COMMITTEE HAS MADE OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS, PARTICULARLY RECENTLY. UM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE'S ATTENDANCE TODAY. I THINK, UH, FIRST ORDER [ROLL CALL] OR FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS TO BEGIN WITH ROLL CALL VER HERE, OBEYED RAKU ELLI. HERE SANCHEZ. HERE. ELLI HERE. HILT HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANYONE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ITEMS WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA. UH, THE CLERK. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. AS WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING. AND I BELIEVE [PRESENTATIONS] THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR PRESENTATION FOR, UH, RELIEF PETALUMA TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED TREE SPECIES AND PLANTING SITES FOR THE 20 25, 26 SEASON. AND, UM, SO, YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING RELIEF TO PRE PRESENT THEIR ADDITIONAL PLANTING PLANS FOR THE SEASON. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SO, UM, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. OKAY. UM, SO HERE ARE ADDITIONAL PLANTING PLANS FOR THE 20 25, 20 26 SEASON. SO, UM, WHAT WE BRING BEFORE YOU ARE FIVE STREET SITES AND ONE RE OAKING SITE. SO IN THE PAST WE'VE BROUGHT TO YOU PARK PLANTINGS WITH NUMEROUS TREES IN THEM. AND AS YOU COULD SEE FROM, FROM THESE, UH, SITES, THERE ARE LESS TREES AT EACH SITE. UM, THESE ARE OUR MORE DIFFICULT TREES. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TREES INTO STREETS AND NEXT TO ROADS SO THAT WE CAN SHADE, UM, SURFACES THAT GET VERY HOT, UH, REDUCE, UM, REFLECTED HEAT. SO, UM, THE NUMBERS DON'T LOOK AS IMPRESSIVE, BUT I THINK THAT THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TREES TO GET IN. OKAY. SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, SO WE'LL HAVE 40 CITY TREES SPREAD OVER FIVE SITES. SO THE FIRST SITE IS, I'LL JUST READ THROUGH THE LIST. WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN SMART TRAIN STATION, THE DEER CREEK PUMP STATION AT RAINIER. THE PLAYING FIELDS, UH, WELL, UM, TREE PITS BETWEEN THE PLAYING FIELDS AND THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT. UM, THERE'S A MEDIAN ON LAKEVILLE AT IRWIN, AND THEN A BUS STOP AT ELI AND CLYDESDALE. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE RIO OAKING SITE, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER THE PLANS FOR. OKAY. UM, THE FIRST SITE IS OUR DOWNTOWN SMART STATION. SO WE HAVE, UM, TRIED TO GET GRANT FUNDING FOR THIS SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHICH WOULD BE A MORE, UM, INTENSIVE PLANTING, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, GETTING THOSE GRANT MONEY. SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS GO, IN ORDER TO GET TREASON TO START THE SHADE HAPPENING, TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT SITE, WHAT OPENINGS, TREE PITS ARE AVAILABLE. SO, SO THERE ARE 12 PLACES FOR TREES THAT WE CAN GET SOME NICE SHADE TREES IN. AND WE'LL USE THE ESTABLISHED TREE PITS, WHICH ARE ABOUT MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN FOUR FEET BY FOUR FEET, UH, SQUARE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF SITES, UM, WHICH AREN'T TREE PITS. THEY ARE, UM, YOU'LL SEE ON THE MAP THERE'S A BIG GREEN AREA WHERE THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED SYCAMORE TREE. THERE IS ROOM FOR ANOTHER SYCAMORE TREE NEXT TO IT. AND THEN AT THE VERY END BY D STREET ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, [00:05:01] THERE'S A CIRCULAR, UM, PLANTING AREA WHERE THERE IS A DYING TREE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PLANT A BIGGER SHADE TREE THERE. SO WHAT WE'VE GOT ARE FIVE OPSIS, THE DESERT WILLOW, ONE PLATS, RACEMOSA, THE WESTERN SYCAMORE, WHICH WILL GO IN THE GRASS. UM, ONE VALLEY OAK, WHICH WILL GO IN THAT BIG CIRCULAR AREA WITH THE DEAD DYING TREE. AND FIVE, UM, ISLAND OAKS CORCUS TOMENTELLA. AND THE REASON WE CHOSE THE OPSIS LANIUS IS BECAUSE WE TOOK THE MEASUREMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED TO FIT IN WHAT WOULD, UM, LOGICALLY FIT IN THE AREA. SO THERE ARE LIKE LIGHT POSTS AND SOME OF THE PITS ARE CLOSER TO EACH OTHER. SO WE TRIED TO PUT IN AS BIG AS TREES AS WE COULD FOR THE AREA. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS THE DEER CR CREEK PUMP STATION, WHICH IS ON RAINIER AVENUE AT MCDOWELL, RIGHT NEXT TO THE DEER CREEK DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND THERE IS A CITY PUMP STATION THERE. UM, SO THIS SITE HAS PRETTY MUCH NOTHING ON IT. UM, THERE IS A WATER CATCHMENT, UH, AREA RIGHT BY THE PARKING LOT. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF AREA THERE THAT WE CAN GET BIG SHADE TREES INTO THAT WOULD HELP SHADE THE, UM, STREET AND THAT WHOLE AREA. SO WE'LL BRING A LITTLE BIT OF SHADE TO MCDOWELL AND RAINIER. UM, SO WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE IS NEAR THE PARKING STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE THOSE GRAY, RECTANGULAR AREAS. THAT'S WHERE THE WATER CATCHMENT AREA IS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MORE UNDERGROUND WATER. SO FOR THERE, WE'VE GOT, UM, SYCAMORES AND VALLEY OAKS. AND ON THE SIDE, WHICH MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DRIER, WE'VE GOT, UM, COAST LIVE OAKS AND SOME VALLEY OAKS. SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR WESTERN SYCAMORE, UH, FOUR COAST LIVE OAKS, AND FIVE VALLEY OAKS FOR A TOTAL OF 13 TREES. SO THAT SHOULD AFTER, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS, PROVIDE SOME REALLY HUGE CANOPY FOR THAT AREA. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE, UH, ARE THE TREE PITS, THE EMPTY TREE PITS, UM, BETWEEN THE PLAYING FIELDS AND THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT, WHICH IS CAULFIELD LANE THERE. UM, SO THESE ARE REALLY LARGE TREE PITS. UH, THE LARGEST ONE IS 10 BY 10, AND THE OTHER ONES I THINK ARE EIGHT BY 10, EXCEPT FOR THE, UM, THERE'S ONE TREE PIT THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE VERY LARGE TREE PIT, AND WE HAD TO PUT A SMALLER TREE THERE. SO, UM, GOING FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, WE'VE GOT A VALLEY OAK, UM, IN THAT REALLY BIG TREE PIT. AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, A SMALLER TREE, WHICH IS THE WESTERN RED BUD. AND THEN, UH, TWO COAST LIVE OAKS AND ONE VALLEY OAK. AND WE THINK THAT THEY'LL DO REALLY WELL THERE. YEAH. THE NEXT SITE IS ON LAKEVILLE STREET, UM, AT IRWIN STREET ACROSS FROM THE HAMPTON HAMPTON INN. AND THERE'S RAILROAD TRACKS THERE, HOPPER STREET, RAILROAD TRACKS, LAKEVILLE STREET, AND THERE'S A VERY WIDE STRIP THERE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT FIVE COASTLINE OAKS. UM, AND WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO HAVE SOME REALLY BIG SHADE TREES. UM, AND WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO GET AS MUCH SHADE AS POSSIBLE ONTO THAT LAKEVILLE AVENUE. OKAY. OUR NEXT ONE IS A BUS STOP. THIS BUS STOP IS LOCATED AT ELI BOULEVARD IN CLYDESDALE. UM, WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED TO PUT TREES AT THIS BUS STOP, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE CAN, IT'S ALL WORKING OUT . UM, SO THERE'S A LARGE AREA THERE, AND AS YOU COULD SEE, WE'D LIKE TO PUT ONE, UH, ISLAND OAK, ONE COASTLINE OAK, AND THEN THREE CATALINA [00:10:01] CHERRIES SURROUNDING THE BUS STOP AND CLOSER TO THE HOUSE. YEAH. OKAY. OUR LAST SITE IS A ING SITE. SO, UM, THERE'S A PUMP STATION , UH, AT THE END OF SARTORY DRIVE, WHICH SORT OF INTERSECTS FREIS ROAD AND LAKEVILLE. AND THIS IS ANOTHER CHANCE FOR US TO GET TREES CLOSE TO BUSY STREETS. UM, WE VISITED THAT SITE AND IT WAS AMAZING HOW LOUD THE SOUNDS WERE COMING OFF OF FREIS IN LAKEVILLE. AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH POLLUTION, YOU KNOW, GETS THROWN INTO THE AIR. SO WE'D LIKE TO PUT SOME REALLY LARGE SHADE TREES ALONG, UM, LAKEVILLE ANDREUS AND PROTECTING THE HOUSES THERE, EVERGREEN TREES, THEY'LL CATCH POLLUTANTS AND THEN THEY'LL GET, UM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CATCH POLLUTANTS, UM, AND KEEP THEM OUT OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES. AND, UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO TRY SEEDLINGS HERE AND MAYBE EVEN SOME ACORNS. UM, SO WE'VE GOT SIX COAST LIVE OAKS. WE ARE PLANNING ON THREE CANYON LIVE OAKS, AND THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE ACORNS 'CAUSE WE CAN'T FIND THEM AS SEEDLINGS. UM, THREE VALLEY OAKS AND THREE INTERIOR LIVE OAKS. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REDWOOD TREES THERE, WHICH DON'T LOOK SO GOOD. SO AS OUR TREES ARE GROWING, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET BIG BEFORE THOSE REDWOOD TREES HAVE TO, MIGHT NOT MAKE IT. OKAY. AND AS ALWAYS, UM, RELIEF, WE'LL DO OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, SO SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS, UM, WEEKEND TABLING WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, AND LEAFLETTING ANY HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THESE AREAS, ALTHOUGH, UM, REALLY THERE. UM, YEAH. SO ANYWHERE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO FLYER, WE WILL, AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN ON THE OUTREACH. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU, CAROLYN. THAT WAS GREAT. THANKS. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND RELIEFS CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY. UH, THESE TREE PLANTINGS WILL BE WONDERFUL. UH, I THINK IT'S NOW TIME FOR US TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO COMMITTEE DISCUSSION, AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, WE COULD TALK, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION AROUND THE PRESENTATION AND POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. GREAT. OKAY. UH, DOES ANYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CAROLYN? DIANE? HI. HI. THANK YOU. THIS IS A GREAT PLAN. I'M, I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN DETAIL BEFORE, SO MM-HMM . EXCUSE ME IF I'M ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED. UM, THE ONE THING, UM, THAT COMES TO MIND HERE IS THERE'S A LOT OF OAK TREES HERE THAT ARE BEING PLANTED DIFFERENT KINDS, THE COASTAL, THE ISLAND THAT ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH. AND I WONDER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU PLAN TO DO TO MITIGATE THAT SINCE WE'RE SUFFERING SO MANY LOSS OF TREES HERE? YEAH. YOU KNOW, UM, WE TALKED TO THE UC, AGRICULTURAL, UM, EXTENSION AGENTS ABOUT THIS VERY QUESTION. AND WHAT THEY'RE FINDING IS, FIRST OF ALL, SUDDEN OAK DEATH IS, IS PASSED ALONG BY BAY TREES, BAY LAUREL TREES. MM-HMM . SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP OAK TREES, COASTLINE, OAK TREES AWAY FROM BAY LAUREL TREES. MM-HMM . AND, UM, THERE WON'T BE ANY BAY LAUREL TREES AROUND THESE OAK TREES. UM, ALSO WHAT THEY SAID IS, SUDDEN OAK DISEASE IS SORT OF LIKE, UM, THINGS THAT WE MIGHT CATCH, VIRUSES THAT WE MIGHT CATCH. SO SOME OF US CAN CATCH A VIRUS DOESN'T AFFECT US. MM-HMM . SOME OF US CATCH THE VIRUS AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY, UM, THERE'S ALREADY STRESSES IN OUR BODIES AND IT REALLY AFFECTS US BADLY. SO WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IS SOME, SOME OAKS NEVER GET SUDDEN OAKS, SOME GET THEM AND THEY ARE FINE, SOME GET THEM AND THEY DIE PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER STRESS ALREADY. STRESS, YEAH. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY WITH THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO DIVERSIFY AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE OAKS. UM, YOU'LL SEE WE'VE GOT THE WNI, THE INTERIOR LIVE OAK, THE ISLAND OAK. UM, SO WE ARE TRYING [00:15:01] TO DIVERSIFY AS MUCH AS WE CAN. VALLEY OAK ISN'T THE INTERIOR AND THE LIVE OAK, AREN'T THEY THE SAME, LITERALLY THE SAME, JUST DIFFERENT NAMES? NO, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THEY'RE RELATED. OKAY. UM, ALL OF THE OAKS ARE REALLY, WHAT'S REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT OUR OAKS IS THEY HAVE INTERBRED WITH EACH OTHER. MM-HMM . WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF GENETIC DIVERSITY, LIKE SCIENTISTS SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN OAK TREE, YOU'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING AT A COASTLINE OAK. YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OAK THAT HAS BEEN OVER THE GENERATIONS MIXED WITH SO MANY THINGS. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, SO SINCE THOSE ARE ALSO SUSCEPTIBLE, I JUST, YOU KNOW, CAUSES ME TO WORRY. IF ANYONE GOES UP TO PUTNAM, YOU SEE HOW MUCH IS ALREADY BEING AFFECTED BY THAT. SO, UM, YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S MY BIGGEST QUESTION. IF POSSIBLY WE CAN JUST GO WITH THE ONES THAT AREN'T AFFECTED, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT. LIKE LIVE OAKS, I'M, I'M SORRY, LIKE VALLEY OAKS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, EVERY TREE, EVERY TREE, NATIVE, NON-NATIVE, IT'S PROBABLY GOT SOMETHING THAT CAN GET IT, YOU KNOW? SO WE JUST NEED TO CHOOSE A VARIETY OF TREES AND, UM, LIKE NOT, NOT GO IN ALL ON ONE TREE RIGHT. BUT TO CHOOSE A VARIETY AND SPREAD THEM AROUND. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS ALREADY IN OUR CANOPY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE OF OUR CANOPY. UM, THE NATIVE TREES ARE REALLY A SMALL PART OF OUR URBAN TREE CANOPY MM-HMM . SO REALLY OUR URBAN TREES ARE ADDING DIVERSIFICATION TO WHAT'S ALREADY HERE, BECAUSE YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER TREES. THEY'RE NOT NON-NATIVE TREES. UM, THEY, THEY ARE NON-NATIVE TREES AND YOU KNOW, ANY TREE CAN SUDDENLY, OH NO, WE'VE GOT A PEST, IT MIGHT WIPE IT OUT. YEAH. SO WE'RE REALLY ADDING DIVERSIFICATION TO OUR URBAN CANOPY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE DROUGHT TOLERANCE IS AN ISSUE. IF THESE TREES DRY OUT, THEN THEY BECOME SUSCEPTIBLE, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. BUT OUR NATIVE TREES ARE ADAPTED TO DRY SUMMERS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S REALLY SMART TO PLANT THEM, YOU KNOW? UM, THEY ARE ADAPTED TO OUR CLIMATE AND THEY ARE THE TREES THAT WILL PROBABLY DO BEST, UM, GOING FORWARD. SO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON WE LIKE TO PLANT THEM IS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DROUGHT TOLERANT. IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME WATERING AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WATERING AND FOR HOW LONG? YEAH. SO WE WATER OUR TREES, MAKE SURE THEY'RE, AND TAKE CARE OF 'EM FOR THREE YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAND FOR, FOR TREES THAT ARE NOT SET UP ON IRRIGATION. WE HAVE A WATER BUFFALO THAT WE TAKE OUT AND WE WATER THEM IN THE FIRST YEAR, EVERY WEEK, 10 GALLONS A WEEK, 10 GALLONS A TREE THE SECOND YEAR, 10 GALLONS EVERY TWO WEEKS, THE THIRD YEAR, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD YEAR. YEAH. 10 GALLONS EVERY THREE WEEKS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IS THAT ALL VOLUNTEERS? UM, NO, ACTUALLY. OKAY. WE PARTNER WITH REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA. OKAY. YEAH. AND RIGHT NOW THE THEIR WORKS PROGRAM IS, UM, WATERING THE TREES FOR US. AND IT'S PAID THROUGH THE GRANT. RIGHT? YEAH. AND DO THEY ALSO TAKE CARE OF PRUNING? UM, NO. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT RELIEF IS DOING. SO WE, UM, WILL GIVE ALL OF OUR TREES THEIR FIRST STRUCTURAL PRUNING, MAYBE EVEN THEIR SECOND. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET PRUNING SQUADS TOGETHER TO OH, GREAT. RUN AROUND AND P PRUNE ALL OF OUR TREES. . GREAT. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I, I HAVE IS, THERE'S, THERE ARE SEVERAL TREES THAT ARE CLOSE TO OR ARE NEXT TO A STREET OR A SIDEWALK. AND I WONDER IS THERE'S SOME PLAN TO MITIGATE THE ROOTS FROM COMING UP THROUGH THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TAKEN OUT SO MANY TREES BECAUSE OF THAT ISSUE. YEAH. SO HOW DO WE AVOID THAT? RIGHT. SO WE CAN INSTALL ROOT BARRIERS. UM, I HEAR WE, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY AT THE TRAIN STATION TO INSTALL ROOT BARRIERS AROUND THE TREE PITS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND HOPEFULLY OUR DROUGHT TOLERANT TREES ARE NOT GONNA BE LIFTING SIDEWALKS, BUT, UM, IT'S A, UH, PREVENTATIVE MEASURE TO PUT THE TREE BARRIERS IN TO FORCE THE ROOTS DOWN. RIGHT. WILL THOSE BE IN PLACE ON ALL OF THE SITES THAT ARE SORT OF LIKELY TO CRACK? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. THANKS, DIANE. UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO CHIME IN? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN [00:20:01] ON YOUR MIC. I DID. I TURNED OH. OR JUST MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. OH, OKAY. WE CAN HEAR YOU. BUT IT REALLY HELPS WITH THE MINUTES. OH, WHEN WE'RE GOING BACK. THANKS, STEPHANIE. OKAY. SO CAROLYN, I, WELL, ONE, ONE THING I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE, THE ACORNS ARE TREATED THE TREE BEFORE YOU THAT, SO THAT THAT'S RIGHT. HE DIDN'T, YEAH. HE MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DONATE SOME TREES AND YOU GUYS SAID NO, WE DO, WE TREAT THEM SO THAT THEY'RE MORE RESISTANT TO THAT'S RIGHT. TO THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH ANYWAY. YEAH. BUT, UM, I WANTED ACTUALLY KIND OF WHAT, WHAT STRUCK ME ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION WAS THAT WE NEED SO MUCH MORE, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT. YEAH. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE, UM, THERE WERE SOME GRANTS THAT YOU WERE FU THAT THE ORGANIZATION WAS REFUSED. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHICH ONES, LIKE, I'M CURIOUS, LIKE WHO DID YOU ASK? LIKE WHAT MAJOR ONES? OH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT WE'VE TRIED TWICE ON THE TRAIN STATION. UM, AND WE, WE, YEAH. SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAMES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT NEAR THE MARRIOTT? YEAH. SO THERE WAS NO, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WITH THE, WELL, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT I COULD SAY. THE REASON THAT I'M FOCUSED ON THAT IS THAT I FEEL THAT IT'S REALLY SHAMEFUL THAT THERE'S NOT A BUDGET FOR A WHOLE LOT MORE TREES TO BE PUT IN ALL OVER PETALUMA. AND I FEEL THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT I HAD MEANT TO TALK TO OUR GROUP ABOUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT OUR ADVOCACY POSSIBLY FOR, UM, AN, AN ECONOMIC ASPECT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE TALKING ABOUT OR ASKING. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A HUGE ISSUE OF A POLICE FIRE STATION THAT'S GOING IN AT THE FAIRGROUND. THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND IT KIND OF BLOWS MY MIND THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MEANTIME. WE'RE TIPTOEING AROUND AND PUTTING SOMETHING IN HERE AND SOMETHING IN THERE. AND SO KIND OF MEEKLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE STANDING UP TO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE ZEITGEIST FOR PETALUMA SUPPOSEDLY THAT WE'RE SO INTERESTED IN THE CLIMATE AND IN MITIGATION, UM, FOR THE CLIMATE IN OUR TOWN. AND YET WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING A FEW MEASLY TREES IN THERE, AIN'T MONEY FOR IT, OR THERE'S VERY LITTLE MONEY FOR IT. AND THAT'S NOT YOUR , THAT'S WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO, IS THAT YOU ARE HEROIC FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. BUT IT'S ABSURD. IT'S JUST ABSURD THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING ON A HUGE SCALE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND I THINK LIKE US ON THIS COMMITTEE, I THINK WE MIGHT BE BEING A LITTLE TOO POLITE ABOUT OUR SIDE OF IT. LIKE IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND THE CITY HAS BEEN SO WONDERFUL. YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE MILLION DOLLAR PETALUMA CANOPY GRANT, UM, AND WE COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IT WITHOUT THE CITY OF PETALUMA. MM-HMM . WANTING TO DO THAT. MM-HMM . AND THAT IS FUNDING LIKE 2,500 TREES MM-HMM . SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PETALUMA CANOPY GRANT. YEAH. AND ALL OF THESE TREES WILL BE PLANTED WITH, WITH THAT MONEY. UM, BUT, UH, THAT THE REASON WE WENT FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING WAS, OR LOOKING FOR GRANTS IS BECAUSE THIS GRANT DOESN'T INCLUDE TAKING OUT CONCRETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAJOR WORK. BUT, UM MM-HMM . WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THIS MILLION DOLLAR GRANT, AND WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL AND I AGREE. WELL, WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE TREES AND WE'LL GET THERE . RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS STEPHANIE. UM, ANYONE ELSE CARE TO COMMENT? OKAY. I, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. YEAH. LIKE LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN SMART STATION SITE. YES. AGAIN, THAT IS JUST A PRIME PROPERTY IN OUR TOWN. LIKE YES. THE, THE TRAINS, UH, REALLY CENTRAL TO DOWNTOWN. UH, A LOT OF FOLKS LIKE, I THINK ARE NOW TAKING THOSE TRAINS AND IT'S LIKE KIND OF A, A LOCATION TO WELCOME PEOPLE THAT ARE TOURISTS TO COME IN TO SHOP AND, OR, OR WORKERS TO WORK OR, OR, UH, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE. IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A, A PERFECT PLACE TO CONTINUE TO BEAUTIFY AND, AND TO CREATE SHADE. AND I'M, UM, YOU DID SAY MENTION SOMETHING THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY EAR, WHICH IS LIKE, WE, WE'D LIKE TO DO MORE THERE. YES. AND MAYBE YOU COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ON THAT AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE THERE. AND SO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS [00:25:01] BEEN HAD THOROUGHLY WITH THE CITY TO SEE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKE SOME OF THE PLANTERS COULD BE ENLARGED. I KNOW IT TAKES WORK TO DO CONCRETE, THE GRANT DOESN'T DO IT, BUT YES. CAN WE GET A LITTLE CREATIVE ABOUT THAT? YEAH. UH, THERE'S, UH, WELL, I MEAN, I CAN ASK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE AT THE CITY, BUT THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. AND I, I CAN ASK AND I'M SURE THE CITY WOULD LOVE TO DO IT IF THEY COULD, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, ENTRYWAY INTO OUR CITY. AND THE WHOLE REASON WE WANNA PUT TREES THERE IS BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE THIS HUGE UGLY HEAT ISLAND, RIGHT? YES. SO, UM, WE CAN ASK AND I'M SURE THAT THE CITY, IF THEY HAD THE MONEY, WOULD WANT TO DO IT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I, WE, UH, DREW, OH, DREW MIGHT HAVE SOME INPUT THERE. YEAH. NO, THANK YOU. UM, APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. AND CAROLINE, WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE SLIDE FOR THE VISITORS AND ART CENTER? IF YOU COULD SHARE SCREEN AGAIN? AND JUST SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT? 'CAUSE IT'S, UH, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE ENTER INTO THE, I DON'T KNOW, CAROLINE WAS THIS THREE YEARS NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE START TALKING ABOUT EACH ONE OF THESE SITES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING OUT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING, BUT THIS WAS ONE SITE IN YEAR ONE RIGHT. THAT WE HAD FLAGGED ON WHAT, WHAT AMAZING POTENTIAL WE HAVE, UM, FOR CANOPY HERE. AND, AND SO JUST NOT ABLE TO GET IT OVER TO A PROJECT, UM, FOR ALL THESE LITTLE KIND OF SITE CONSTRAINTS ON CURB CUTS AND ACCESS AND OVERHEAD POWER LINES AND OWNERSHIP. SO, AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN KIND OF PULL OUT, BUT THE, THE ROW OF TREES WE HAVE ON THE 90 DEGREES IN THE PARKING LOT THEMSELVES, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DOING JUSTICE RIGHT WITH THE EXISTING TREE WELLS THAT WE HAVE? AND I THINK, WHERE WERE THEY FOUR BY FOUR FEET? THEY WERE ALMOST FOUR BY FOUR. OKAY. YEAH. ALMOST FOUR BY FOUR. UM, SO I THINK WE CAME TO THE DECISION IS WE FELT COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TREES IN THAT SPOT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE BY OURSELVES A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE DO THE ROOT BARRIERS, UM, AND IF THERE'S MONEY OR IF LEVERAGES SOURCES THAT COME AVAILABLE, THIS WOULD REMAIN A PRIORITY SPOT. BUT THERE'S OTHER SPOTS AND LOCATIONS HERE WHERE WE CAN PUT LARGER TREE CANOPIES AND FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THEM ESTABLISHING. BUT THE NORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN KIND OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE KICKING OFF HERE PRETTY SOON. AND SO THAT'S ALSO A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF LAY A, LAY A STAKE RIGHT IN THE GROUND, BUT THEN USE THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO REALLY LOOK AT TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE THAN THE SMART PARKING LOT ON EAST WASHINGTON HIMSELF, I THINK IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE HOLY GRAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN ALWAYS LOOKING ON. BUT HOW DO YOU GET A FOOT IN THE DOOR? RIGHT? HOW DO YOU START, UM, HAVING THE CONVERSATION? AND I THINK THIS IS WHY WE WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT SOME PLANS FOR TREES IN THIS ONE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE TWO, THREE PHASES THAT WE HOPE WILL BECOME A, A REALLY RICH TREE CANOPY IN AN AREA THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS IT. YEAH. STEPHANIE, I JUST, I JUST SAY THAT I THINK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, WE GOT TOGETHER AS A GROUP. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WALKING FROM THAT STATION AREA ON D STREET DOWN TO TOWN. AND TO ME THAT THAT STRIP IS THE MOST IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE ANY, IT JOINS EAST AND WEST PART OF PETALUMA, SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN HELD UP RIGHT, DREW, BECAUSE OF A POTEN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE IN THAT AREA. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF AVENUE BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU'RE LIKE A LITTLE RAT SCRAMBLING ALONG THE EDGE OF THAT, THAT, UH, PROPERTY. AND THAT'S, TO ME, MORE IMPORTANT, MOST IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE MAIN SUPPOSEDLY WALKABLE AVENUE BETWEEN ON D STREET. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. SO TO HAVE CONTINUOUS SHADE FROM A, AN IMPORTANT WALKING LOCATION LIKE THE, UH, BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE, AND THE TRAIN STATION AND BUS STATION WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. YEAH. I THINK THAT THERE ARE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING IN TWO OF THESE SITES, PLUS ACROSS THE STREET POTENTIALLY THERE HAVE BEEN PLANS TO REPOPULATE THE STREET TREES, BUT I THINK MAYBE IT'S BEEN HELD UP NOW BECAUSE OF THOSE, UH, PROJECTS HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. I, IT WOULD BE MY GUESS. MM-HMM . BUT, UM MM-HMM . BUT HOPEFULLY, YEAH, WE'RE CERTAINLY SHOULD ADVOCATE FOR MORE OF THAT. YEAH. UM, [00:30:01] UH, SO LET'S SEE. YEAH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A PLACEHOLDER POTENTIALLY FOR MORE TREES DOWN THE ROAD IN THIS SITE, WHICH IS GREAT. UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I, I THINK THE REST OF THE, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THE PLAYING FIELDS AT THE MARRIOTT. IS THAT, IS THAT A TRUE PHOTO? YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE, UH, TO THAT SLIDE AS WELL? SO THIS IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS ACTIVE PARK, UM, AND AS PART OF THE RIVER FRONT DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT THREE OF THESE COMMON AREAS. ONE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY WELL DONE MO BANDS CUT HERE ON THIS PICTURE. SO COMPLIMENTS TO THE GROUP THAT CUT THAT WITH VERY SMALL WINES THERE. MARIANNE CAN APPRECIATE IT . UM, BUT ACTIVE PARK IS, UM, A, A MULTI-USE NATURAL GRASS AREA. IT IS THE ONLY FIELD ACTUALLY IN PETALUMA WITH THE GOPHER WIRE THAT HAS BEEN ES ESTABLISHED. BUT THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE SPOT BECAUSE IT IS ONE WITHIN A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DI DISTRICT, A CFD. AND IT'S, UM, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH AN LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, A LAD, BUT A CFD ESSENTIALLY. UM, THERE IS AN ASSESSMENT ON ALL OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THOSE FEES ARE COLLECTED TO MAINTAIN THREE COMMON AREAS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. ACTIVE PARK IS ONE OF THEM. THEN THERE'S THIS COMMON AREA ALONG THE RIVER WE'RE CALLING RIVER WALK. AND THEN THERE'S A, I THINK THEY CALL IT THE CIVIC GREEN, WHICH IS IRONIC 'CAUSE IT'S MOSTLY CONCRETE. UM, BUT THOSE PLANTINGS ON THOSE OTHER TWO SITES, THIS ONE DOES NOT. BUT IT HAD PLANS FOR EVENTUAL PLANTINGS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE, BUT IT WASN'T FUNDED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO KIND OF PUT, PUT THESE IN. UM, BUT YES, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE IMMEDIATELY, UM, THE LACK OF SHADE OUT THERE. AND, AND WE ARE JUST NOW STARTING, I THINK THIS WAS OUR FIRST YEAR OF PROGRAMMING YOUTH SOCCER OUT THERE, UM, WHICH IS A SUMMER FALL SPORT. SO, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE GET THESE, GET THESE TREES IN THE GROUND FOR THIS SITE, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY WELCOMED BY THE, UM, BY THE GROUPS THAT USE THE FIELDS. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT THE PLANTERS ARE THERE FOR READY TO GO AND, UH, THAT'LL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. YEAH. AND, UH, YEAH, LET'S, UH, LET'S HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIND WAYS TO, TO CREATE OUR OWN PLANTERS WHERE WE NEED TO. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFICULT TO REMOVE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, REALLY. UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF LABOR SOMETIMES, UH MM-HMM . AND, AND THIS JUST PAYS OFF, OF COURSE, DOWN THE ROAD. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PRESENTATION? GREAT. UM, WELL, UH, I THINK, DO WE TAKE, UH, GENERAL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS? SO PRIOR AREN'T ANY, SO YEAH, YOU CAN JUST ASK IF WE HAVE ANY, ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. ? YEAH. NO, . OKAY. NOT TODAY. I DON'T SEE ANY, SO I BELIEVE THAT [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] THE NEXT ORDER OF VISITS. THANK YOU, CAROLYN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. UH, SO LET'S SEE. FROM THE SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS? HAS ANYBODY NOTED? I DON'T THINK SO. UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE. ANY SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES. SO, UH, I THINK THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] TO REVIEW IS THE TREE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES AND WHICH ONES SHOULD REMAIN ACTIVE IN 2026, AND TO CLARIFY THEIR ROLES. UM, DREW, DID YOU WANNA, UH, LET'S SEE. I, I KNOW DARREN HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS. I WROTE SOME NOTES ON THAT. UH, SO SHOULD WE GO OVER THOSE, OR DID YOU WANT TO SORT OF TAKE IT FROM, OR PROVIDE US SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK OR HOW TO DISCUSS THIS? SURE. YEAH. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I, I THINK THE BEST THING I CAN DO AND, AND FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UH, CHAIR RICK CUSON KIND OF REALLY SPEARHEADED. AND, AND I THINK IT CAME, UM, UH, WITH AN INTENT WITH SOME COMMENT SHARED DURING, UH, ONE OF THE MOST RECENT MEETINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES DOING WORK, UM, AND KIND OF CROSS-POLLINATING ON SOME PROJECTS. BUT I THINK IT WAS A TIME FOR US TO KIND OF HAVE A, AN AGENDA DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZING SOME OF THE WORK OF THOSE AD HOCS IF THERE WERE CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME TURNOVER ON THE COMMITTEE THAT'S NATURAL. UH, THIS WAS KIND OF A TIME AND AN OPEN FORUM TO DISCUSS THOSE, UH, IN A WAY THAT WE COULD AGENDIZE IT PROPERLY AND REALLY GET SOME FEEDBACK, UH, ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO IN BRINGING THIS [00:35:01] BACK. SO THERE'S NO, UH, NECESSARY ACTION TO TAKE TONIGHT. UM, BUT I, WHAT I CAN, UH, CHAIR IS JUST KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, THATCHER HAD ASKED. WE TALK ABOUT MAYBE ACKNOWLEDGE THE AD HOCS THAT HAD EXISTED OR DO EXIST, AND THEN IF THERE'S STRONG FEELINGS, UH, BY A, UH, A MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US PUSH FORWARD WITH OR THINGS THAT AREN'T ON OUR RADAR, UH, I COULD WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR BEFORE NEXT MEETING AND BRING BACK SOME ITEMS TO ACTUALLY IRON OUT SOME OF THESE ASSIGNMENTS. SO IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD, I'LL, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING HERE. SO ONE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT, UH, HAD BEEN INTENDED TO FORM AROUND CONTENT INFORMATION AD HOC, WHICH REALLY WAS, UM, A NEXUS WITH THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL, WHICH IS VERY MUCH THAT IT'S A TECHNICAL MANUAL. SO BEING ABLE TO TRANSLATE THAT, IF YOU WILL, OR INTERPRET IT A WAY INTO KIND OF COMMUNITY FOCUSED MESSAGING. AND WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES OR KIND OF PUBLIC INFORMATION OPPORTUNITIES AROUND TREES, WE COULD HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WORK IN BETWEEN MEETINGS TO KIND OF PRESENT OPTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT. SO THINK OF IT AS, AS THE CHAIR SAID, A CONTENT SLASH INFORMATION AD HOC, UM, REALLY CENTERED AROUND THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL. THEN THERE WAS A, AN OUTREACH AD HOC THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE, THE CUSON, UM, CHAIR, OR, SORRY, UH, COMMISSIONER OBEYED AND A FORMER COMMITTEE MEMBER ROGER. UM, AND THIS WAS A, A COMMUNITY FACING GROUP THAT COMMUNICATES WITH PUBLIC OFFICIALS, STAKEHOLDERS, TREE POLICY FOLKS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS A PRETTY LOOSE, UM, COMMITTEE COMMISSION, UH, I'M SORRY, COMM SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT, UH, FOCUSED ON, ON OUTREACH. SO IF THAT WANTED, IF THAT'S A DESIRE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS, UM, AS A REMINDER, A SUBCOMMITTEE REALLY SHOULD NEVER HAVE MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THEY HAVE AT LEAST TWO. UH, AND SO IF THERE ARE, UH, A REASON OR A STRONG INCLINATION TO KEEP ON AS AN OUTREACH SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WOULD NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO THOSE ARE AND WHAT THOSE, THOSE TASKS ARE. THEN THERE WAS THE TREE FEST FESTIVAL, RIGHT? TRIABLE, IS THAT JUST YOURS OR IS THAT THE OFFICIAL TERM? NO, THE, THE TREE FESTIVAL IS WHAT WE, WE TALK ABOUT. BUT THERE WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE AD HOC THAT WAS JUST CREATED REALLY 'CAUSE UM, THAT WAS AN EVENT THAT WAS LARGELY ORGANIZED BY THIS COMMITTEE. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WHO HAVE PLANNED EVENTS, UH, IT'S A THANKLESS JOB AND IT TAKES TIME. UM, SO REALLY THAT HAS A DATE USUALLY ON IT. AND IT'S, UM, ASSIGNED SOME TASKS, MAYBE ROTATE THOSE ASSIGNMENTS AND, UM, KIND OF HELP SPREAD THE, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITIES. AND THEN THE LAST WAS THE PLANNING DESIGN AD HOC COMMITTEE. SO THIS WAS INTENDED TO MEET WITH, UM, UH, PETALUMA CITY STAFF, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS WITH, WE, WE, WE USE, UM, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ONCE A MONTH TO REVIEW SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND ELEMENTS WITH A NUMBER OF STAFF. AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS TO MINIMIZE THOSE MEETINGS, GET THE FEEDBACK ALL AT ONCE. SO WE WOULD CREATE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO THAT IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME REVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, THEY COULD BASICALLY MEET WITH THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE PRIOR TO COMING HERE TO KIND OF FLUSH OUT, GET THOSE PLANS AND DESIGNS, ANTICIPATE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED. SO THE IDEA IS WHEN THEY COME AND PRESENT FOR THE WHOLE BODY, THEY'RE REALLY MUCH MORE WELL PREPARED. AND THEN EVEN THE AD HOC MEMBERS CAN HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEARHEAD THAT CONVERSATION. AND, AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS IT SAVES US COMING MULTIPLE TRIPS BACK AND FORTH, UM, BUT IT ALSO ADDS FOR A REALLY, A MORE WELL-ROUNDED MEETING. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDED I HAVE TO, TO KEEP, UM, WITH THAT FORMAT, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME PROJECTS COMING DOWN THAT WE'LL WANNA LOOK AT. MM-HMM . SO JUST A QUICK REVIEW. AGAIN, WE HAD A VERY LOOSE CONTENT INFORMATION AD HOC, WE HAD AN OUTREACH AD HOC, WE HAD THE TREE FESTIVAL AD HOC AND THE PLANNING DESIGN AD HOC. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL KICK IT BACK TO YOU CHAIR TO, TO SEE HOW YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, SOLICIT FEEDBACK. OKAY. WELL, THANKS DREW. THAT WAS GREAT. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A FULL COMMITTEE HERE, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW DARREN AND, UH, TARYN HAVE BEEN A, A PART OF A COUPLE OF THESE DIFFERENT AD HOCS AND THEN, UM, I'M SURE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE IN SOME WAYS. [00:40:01] UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WHICH ONE OF THESE WE, WE THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE. UH, WHICH ONE, UM, WE COULD LIKE, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT MAKE ANY FIRM DECISIONS UNTIL WE HAVE SOME MORE INPUT NEXT MONTH, BUT, UH, OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. UH, I THINK THESE ARE ALL VALUABLE. AND, UH, YEAH. UH, IT IS, UH, ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? SURE. YEAH. WHERE WOULD THE, I KNOW YOU WERE WORKING ON A TREE REG ORDINANCE OR REGULATIONS, WHERE WOULD THAT FALL IN HERE? YEAH. IS THAT THE INFORMATION? WELL, AD HOC, THERE'S VERY FALLS INTO A COUPLE AREAS. ONE IS THE CONTENT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE WANT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR VALUABLE TREE MATERIALS THAT WORK HAVE CREATED FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR BY OURSELVES TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC MM-HMM . SO IN, IN A EASILY DIGESTIBLE WAY, SOMEWHAT SUMMARIZED, HOPEFULLY. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE AREA. THEN THE OUTREACH AD HOC, UH, AGAIN, COULD BE, UH, WHERE THERE'S MAYBE MORE OF DEEPER DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF ON ACTUAL POLICY THAT COULD BE HAPPENING. OKAY. YEAH. AND ARE THESE BOTH STILL RUNNING? AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THOSE COMMITTEES? GOOD QUESTION. I BELIEVE EACH ONE HAS THREE OR SO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND THEN IN SOME CASES NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ALTHOUGH I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE STREET TREE COMMITTEE, OR WAS THAT THE STREET TREE COMMITTEE? I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT STILL EXISTS. I THINK SOME OF THE, UM, EXISTING AD HOCS HAVE LOST SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE PERSONNEL ON THE COMMISSION. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. COMMITTEE. WELL, IF I MIGHT SAY, UM, A QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO NOW, WHEN I CONTACTED THIS COMMITTEE, UM, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PERSON THAT IS THE LAY LIAISON BETWEEN OUR COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING ANY PROJECTS TO US. AND, AND THE CASE OF WHEN I CONTACT CONTACTED THIS ORGANIZATION ORIGINALLY, THAT PERSON JUST HADN'T DONE IT. BUT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF, HERE I AM SAYING YOU DO ALL THE WORK, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S YOUR JOB FOR THIS. AT LEAST THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. NO, THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO IS TO KIND OF REPORT IN ON WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT ALSO WHAT IS IN THE PIPELINE. YEAH. UM, AND TO YOUR EARLIER POINT BEFORE ANY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ROLE OF THE ADVOCATE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING BOTH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THIS COMMITTEE, UM, INFORMED AND HOPEFULLY THEN, UM, INFLUENTIAL MM-HMM . ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND I DO THINK THOUGH IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE PROJECTS WHEN THEY'RE LARGE ENOUGH AND HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN OR A TREE PLAN OH, YEAH. THAT THEY DO COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND IF NOT THIS COMMITTEE, THEN SOME SORT OF AD HOC THAT THAT COULD BE DONE BEFORE THINGS GET TOO, UM MM-HMM . TOO EVOLVED, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YEAH. IT WOULD'VE SAVED THAT DEVELOPER SOME MONEY TOO, IF THEY HAD, IF IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS GROUP FIRST, I'M TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO, WE HAD TO PUT A STOP TO IT BECAUSE THEY HADN'T, THEY HADN'T RUN BY THE, THE FACT THEY WERE GONNA REMOVE SOME PRETTY BIG TREES. SO WAS THAT A RECENT PROJECT OR, THAT WAS LIKE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. OKAY. IT WAS A RIVERBEND PROJECT, AND JOHN REBS WAS PART OF THIS RIGHT. COMMITTEE THEN. AND JOHN, JUST, THAT'S HOW I, I MET HIM, OR REALLY, HE RAN OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT IT AND THEN WAS REALLY HELPFUL. AND YOU NOW, HIS BACKGROUND IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THAT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY COME A LONG WAY. I DO FEEL LIKE TREES ARE FRONT AND CENTER IN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS. NOW, THE CITY I CAN GUARANTEE THEY ARE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, DARREN'S, THERE I AM THERE. UM, THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE EMBRACING IT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PLANS, THE LANDSCAPING, ESPECIALLY THE TREES AND THE VARIETY ARE FRONT AND CENTER. AND THEN, SO THEN THERE YOU GO WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS PROJECT, WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THAT BUILDING IN WITH NO TREES AROUND IT. HELLO, . SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT KILLS ME. THERE IS GONNA BE SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE LATEST PLAN. MM-HMM. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ONE AREA IN THAT, THAT SITE MM-HMM . AND THAT'S, IT HAS SOME SPECIFIC NEEDS IN TERMS OF SECURITY, AND I GET THAT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REST OF THE SITE COULD CERTAINLY BE, UM, [00:45:01] I DUNNO IF THIS IS A PHRASE, BUT WELL, TREE , UM, AND, AND STUFF AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TREES THERE, A VARIETY OF TREES THERE. UM, BUT WHAT ALSO NEEDS TO OCCUR, AND I'M GOING OFF TOPIC HERE, IS WE, WE REALLY, WE HAD SOME PUBLIC INPUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON THIS MM-HMM . UM, THERE WAS SOME FINDINGS ABOUT THAT. AND, UH, THE, THE, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT THERE AND HAVE THAT GO THROUGH. WELL, HELLO. WHO IS THE DIRECT DEMOCRACY? HELLO. HERE WE ARE. NOBODY'S BROUGHT IT TO US. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED TO BE A PART OF IT. I'M NOT SURE THE, I'M NOT SURE STAFF, IF THERE'S A, UM, IF THERE'S ACTUALLY A GROUP THAT I, I KNOW THAT IT, IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THERE WAS THAT DEMOCRACY DIRECT GROUP THAT DID SOME, UM, SOME LIKE CHARETTES AROUND THAT MM-HMM . AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT. BUT I THINK THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH MOVEMENT ON A PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS QUITE YET. I THINK WE'RE WAITING FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH. THERE'S, I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF IT. UM, AND THEN KIND OF BRING IT BACK BEFORE I FORGET IF I, IN CASE I DO, I HAVE, I HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THE, UM, UH, THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. SO DON'T LET ME FORGET THAT. UM, BUT YEAH. HA, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PREFACE THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, THERE IS A FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY. THERE IS 55 ACRES, UH, OF CITY OWNED LAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME WE IN THE COMMUNITY GETS TO DECIDE, UM, HOW THAT LAND IS, IS BEST PROGRAMMED USED, UH, FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THAT PLAN, UM, IS GONNA KICKSTART BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S GONNA BE A MULTI-YEAR PLAN THAT'S BEEN 80 SOMETHING YEARS IN THE MAKING. BUT, UM, AHEAD OF THAT, THERE IS THE PUBLIC, THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. SO THESE ARE 20 YEARS PLUS WE'VE KNOWN AND THAT THERE ARE, UH, GAPS IN SERVICES IN THE CITY. WE HAVE AN UNREINFORCED, UH, STATION ONE, UH, WHERE SHOULD A SEISMIC EVENT OCCUR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET A LADDER TRUCK ACROSS, UM, ONE SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER. YOU ALSO, WE ALSO KNOW, UM, WITH CHANGING CLIMATE, UM, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO BE RESILIENT AND RESPOND TO NATURAL DISASTERS, FIRES, FLOODS, ET CETERA. SO YOU, YOU PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND, UM, WHAT ENDED UP COMING OUT OF THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMBINE AND HAVE A JOINT BUILDING, WHICH MAXIMIZES THE, THE CITY'S, UH, INVESTMENT IN THAT WITH AN EOC AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AS PART OF THAT FACILITY. UM, THE FAIRGROUND SIDE AND THE LOCATION OBVIOUSLY MADE IT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR THAT BUILDING TO BE THERE. WHY? AND THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MASTER PLAN YET. BUT THAT WAS DONE AHEAD OF IT. NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN POSSIBLE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SONOMA COUNTY VOTERS APPROVING MEASURE H, WHICH IS A SONOMA COUNTY MEASURE AROUND FIRE LAND RESILIENCY. SO HALF THE BONDING FOR THAT PROJECT COMES FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY'S PETALUMA'S SHARE OF THAT COUNTY. THE OTHER HALF COMES IN LARGE PART FROM THE VOTER APPROVED MEASURE U MEASURE U WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, BILL FOR THE PETALUMA VOTERS TO SAY, HEY, THIS STUFF IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS IS ALL IMPORTANT. THE ROAD BONDS THAT WE SEE, FIRE STATIONS, THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING COMES FROM. SO I'M SO INCREDIBLY PROUD OF PETALUMA BEING AT THIS POINT WHERE WE DESERVE THINGS LIKE THIS. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST REAL BIG KIND OF JOINT FACILITY. IT'S PRETTY INNOVATIVE. AND GETTING POLICE AND FIRE TO REALLY AGREE ON ANYTHING AND SHARE SPACES IS PRETTY FOUNDATIONAL. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU GET A JOINT COMMUNITY, EOC OUT OF IT IS PHENOMENAL. BUT MASTER PLAN, THAT'S WHERE THE TREES COME IN. SO THERE WE CAN LOOK AT SPECIFIC SITES LIKE THE THREE ACRES THAT'S GONNA BE STAGED FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT THE BIG SHIFT IS THE 52 AND A HALF OTHER ACRES WHERE THE CORRIDOR ON JOHNSON DRIVE AND KENNELWORTH AND PAY RAN. HOW DOES IT ALL MAKE SENSE? AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT TREES ARE INCORPORATED IN THAT PART OF THE PROJECT? THAT'S THE MASTER PLAN. SO WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEES, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING THROUGH THE SPA REVIEW. THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE THINGS AND THE SITE CONSTRAINTS AND THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND ALL OF THAT. BUT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE BIGGER MISSION, WHICH IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THE FAIRGROUNDS REPRESENTS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT SKIP THIS MASTER [00:50:01] PLAN PROCESS? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. AND, AND IF WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE GENERAL PLAN, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE PEOPLE GET KIND OF CONFUSED. WELL, THE GENERAL PLAN'S NOT GONNA TELL US WHAT THE FAIRGROUNDS SHOULD BE AND LOOK AT MM-HMM . IT DETERMINES LAND USE, BUT IT'S UP TO THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE HOW THAT GETS PROGRAMMED. AND THAT'S EXCITING. 'CAUSE WE GET TO TACKLE JUST THAT PROPERTY AND SAY, WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO BE FOR THE FUTURE? I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DREW. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD, UH, THERE WAS A CITIZENS COMMITTEE THAT WERE, WAS TAPPED TO, UH, TO VOTE ON THAT, AND THAT THEY WERE LESS THAN 40% WANTED TO SEE THAT KIND OF BUILDING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEY WANTED TO SEE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE A COMMUNITY CENTER. I'M, I'M NOT GONNA, I MEAN, WE COULD, THE THING IS, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS AND SO DO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE I KNOW IN TOWN ABOUT THE WISDOM OF PUTTING THAT THERE. AND IT JUST, AND IT, AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TREE ISSUE KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH IT. SURE. BUT I JUST WANNA CORRECT, CORRECT THE RECORD HERE, AND WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS. UM, BUT I WANNA STAY WITHIN THE TREE COMMITTEES, BUT LET ME JUST CORRECT THE RECORD HERE. MM-HMM . UM, YES. WE, THERE WAS A, AN, AN INNOVATIVE, ONE OF A KIND TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CALLED DEMOCRACY. NOW, UH, THAT WAS A CITIZEN ELECTED PANEL, UM, 30 PLUS MEMBERS, UM, SELECTED WITH TO, TO MEET WITH SIDES FROM THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION, THE FOURTH DAA, UH, AS WELL AS CITY STAFF. THERE WASN'T GROUPS ON THE CITY OR FOR DA BUT THE DECISION IN 2023 WAS NOT WHAT TO PROGRAM AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT WAS OUR, IS IT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST, THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST TO RENEGATE RENEGOTIATE ANOTHER LONG-TERM LEASE WITH A THEN STATE AGENCY. FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION HAD RUN THREE SUB SUBSEQUENT 25 YEAR LEASES. SO FOR NEARLY 80 YEARS, YOU HAVE CITY LAND CONTROLLED BY A STATE AGENCY WHO OPERATED A FOUR DAY FAIR, HAD NINE SITE LICENSES ON THAT FAIRGROUNDS, COLLECTING RENT, $0 TO THE CITY, NO COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, INPUT ON WHAT GETS DONE AT THOSE FAIRGROUNDS. SO THE DECISION WAS MADE AT THAT POINT TO ENTER INTO A NEW LEASE OR TO NOT, THAT WAS THE OUTREACH DONE FROM THE DEMOCRACY. NOW IS TO GET US TO THAT POINT. BUT TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DREAM. YOU HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS THE CITY HAS. WE WANT, YOU KNOW, REC CENTERS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PARKS AND, AND YOU KNOW, NONPROFIT HUBS. WE WANT ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND RESILIENCY WAS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THAT. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST DELIVERING ON THAT COMMITMENT AS WELL AS OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS TO OFFER A FOUR DAY FARE AND TO MAKE SURE THE TENANTS HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND, AND TREES CAN BE A PART OF ALL OF THAT TO BRING IT BACK, BUT IT'S A PROCESS. AND I THINK THE FIRST ONE IS NOT THE FIRST, BUT THE NEXT BIG ONE IS THIS MASTER PLAN KICKOFF AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE HERE TOO. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU, DREW. YEAH. AND, UH, THANK YOU. YEAH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SANCHEZ. YEAH, WE, UH, YEAH, THOSE ARE BIG ISSUES AND THANKS. IT'S, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR, UH, BOTH ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIDES OF IT AND, AND HOW IT RELATES TO TREES. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE WEIGH IN ON THE TREE ASPECTS OF IT. UH, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE, UH, MORE CANOPY IN THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR SURE. AND, UM, SO, SO I GUESS GOING, COMING BACK TO THE, UH, WHERE ARE WE, THE AD HOCS HERE, SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE CONSIDERING WHICH AD HOCS WE'RE INTERESTED IN. THEY DO REQUIRE A BIT OF TIME OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMITTEE WHERE WE'RE, UM, MEETING WITH, UH, FOLKS OVER ZOOM OR IN PERSON AND, AND, UH, AND, AND THEN BRINGING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE COMMITTEE HERE. SO, UH, THERE'S A BIT OF PROBABLY, UH, TIME, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS. AND SO WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO AND, AND, AND WHAT INTERESTS YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT MAYBE WE'LL BE COMING TO A VOTE, UH, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT, UM, IN THE MONTH OR SO ON, ON WHICH ONES, UH, WE WANT TO CONTINUE AND WHICH ONES YOU'D WANNA BE A PART OF. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AD HOCS OR, OR DISCUSSIONS? GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. UM, THE AD HOC THAT WAS WORKING ON THE TREE MANUAL AND ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC, I FELT LIKE THAT THAT IS, WE HAVE A, A BUNCH OF CONTENT READY TO GO AT THIS POINT. AND I FEEL LIKE THE ONLY THING REMAINING IS TO GET IT TO WHOEVER IS GONNA PUT IT ON THE WEB. AND THEN AT, AT THAT POINT, I FEEL LIKE THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE COULD EITHER, UM, CLOSE AND THERE COULD [00:55:01] BE SOME TYPE OF AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION JUST FOR, TO UPDATE IT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. MM-HMM . UM, THE OUTREACH AD HOC I THINK WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS MADE WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND STUFF. MM-HMM . I'M THINKING THAT FOR NOW, THAT WE HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS, MAYBE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY NEED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR THAT, BECAUSE AS WE WORK ON DIFFERENT ISSUES, WE CAN MAKE USE OF THE CONNECTIONS THAT THAT COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY MADE WITH THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS FOR SPECIFIC THINGS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED WITH DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE GO. THE TREE FEST IS REALLY ONLY FOR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT, AND SO THAT'S JUST REALLY A SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE MONTH KIND OF DEAL. WHOEVER WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THAT COULD JUST BE SORT OF A TEMPORARY, UM, ANNUAL THING. RIGHT. THE PLANNING AND DESIGN, TO ME, THAT'S THE BIG ONE. AND THAT'S, UM, I KNOW DARREN'S HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT. UM, ROGER I THINK WAS GONNA BE PART OF THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL. AND HE'S NO LONGER MM-HMM . PART OF THE COMMITTEE. SO THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND, AND REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO MM-HMM . WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ONE. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT ONE THIS COMING YEAR. YEAH. THAT'S MY INPUT ANYWAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD INPUT. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH. YEAH. I, I, I THINK IT, UH, HELPS TO, UM, YEAH, LIKE MAYBE WE COULD NARROW, NARROW THESE DOWN OR NOT, UH, REQUIRE SO MANY OF THEM. UM, I DO FEEL LIKE, I GUESS YOU MENTIONED DIANE EARLIER, LIKE WHERE DOES THE, THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, RIGHT? IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT THAT'S I THINK BEING WORKED ON STILL, AND HOW WHERE COULD WE KINDA FOCUS, WHERE COULD THAT BE FOCUSED IN AN AD HOC TRUE. DID YOU HAVE A THOUGHTS ON THAT STILL? OR, OR, OR, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. I KNEW WE'D MAKE IT BACK. UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, IN LOOKING AT IT, I WAS GONNA MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT THE CONTENT, AD HOC INFORMATION AND THE OUTREACH REALLY KIND OF SHIFT AND TURN THEIR ATTENTION REALLY ON THE, THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE ITSELF. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ELEMENTS OF REVIEW, BUT THEN IT'S REALLY GONNA TURN INTO OUTREACH AND EDUCATION. SO IF THERE WAS SOME CONSISTENCY THAT COULD FOLLOW THAT PRE-ADOPTION AND THEN POST-ADOPTION, I THINK THERE'S SOME WAY TO COMBINE. BUT I, I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER ELLIS COMMENTS TOO IS IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN END DATE TO SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES. AND IF WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE AD HOC INFORMATION IS READY TO PRESENT, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS IT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE INFORMATION MM-HMM . GET THE C WHOLE COMMITTEE TO BUY IN ON WHAT'S GONNA BE PUT OUT ON THE WEBSITE, THEN WE TAKE THAT, WE CLOSE IT, AND THEN MAYBE IN THE SAME MEETING YOU CAN LOOK AT REPRIORITIZING. SO A ANYWAY, JUST TWO, TWO SUGGESTIONS, BUT I, I DO AGREE THAT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS, IS REALLY THE NEXT BIG THING FOR THIS COMMITTEE. AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME CONTINUITY FROM PRE TO POST IMPLEMENTATION. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S GOOD ADVICE. AND I THINK THAT LIKE THE TREE FEST COMMITTEE, IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S PURE, YOU JUST KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO LIKE, WELL, WELL, BUT IF IT, IF WE GET AND NARROW IT DOWN TO, HEY, THIS IS ABOUT THE TREE, UH, PROTECTION, PROTECTION ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS REALLY ABOUT CONNECTING WITH COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WE DO THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THEN IT, IT, THE MORE WE DEFINE IT HERE, I THINK THE BETTER OFF WE'LL BE. UH, WHAT WAS, AND I'M SORRY, WAS THERE A STREET TREE COMMITTEE AD HOC? YES. UH, WE, WE, OR IS THERE STILL, AND I, AND I BELIEVE MOST OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE NO LONGER ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT THEY DID HELP, UH, TO CREATE A STREET TREE, UH, LIST, UH, SORT OF A, A RENEWED LIST OF STREET TREES. AND WHERE WOULD THAT BE? UH, GOOD QUESTION. WHERE THAT IS. UH, YEAH. AND I THINK THE NEXT STEP WAS TO TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING DESIGN COMMITTEE. SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN HANDED OFF TO, TO THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S SITTING ON THAT COMMITTEE. UM, SO MAYBE WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT BACK WITH SOME NAMES ABOUT WHO'S STILL ACTIVE, WHO'S NOT. YEAH. BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION, UM, A FEW MEETINGS THAT GO IS SAY, YEP, WE ARE GOOD WITH THE LIST. IT'S READY TO BE MOVED UP TO MAKE SURE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS GET THEIR COMMENTS ON. RIGHT. AND THEN IT GETS ADOPTED. YEAH. RIGHT. JUST LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WITH THE OTHER, YOU SEEM TO BE FINISHED UP WITH IT. MM-HMM . SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE THE ROLE OF FOLLOW THROUGH OR DO WE SORT OF JUST KEEP ASKING? NO, I THINK WE CAN DO SOME HOMEWORK JUST TO MAKE SURE WHO IS ON, OR WHO IS ON THOSE DESIGN REVIEW OR DESIGN PLANNING AD HOC, AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK [01:00:01] JUST TO GET CLEAR DIRECTION TO SAY, HEY, HERE IS THE MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, CONTENT FOR THE WEBSITE, HERE'S THE STREET TREE, NEXT STEPS HERE, NEXT STEPS THERE. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE MAKE ACTION BECAUSE THE IDEAS FOR THE AD HOC IS TO BRING THINGS BACK FOR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE TO APPROVE, ASSIGN SUPPORT, UM, NOT TO WORK JUST SO INDEPENDENTLY. RIGHT. AND KEEP THE COMMITTEE OUT OF IT. SO THESE CHECK-INS ARE IMPORTANT. RIGHT. UH, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD, HAD ONE IN A WHILE, SO WE ALL HAVE TO BUY INTO IT BEFORE IT GOES TO PLANNING MORE OR LESS. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THE IDEA OF THIS, IF WE'VE GOT THREE MEMBERS ALREADY ON IT. RIGHT. HOPEFULLY YOU'VE GOT A CONSENSUS THERE, AND SO YOU'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NO SURPRISES, BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE THEY PRESENT IT TO US OR WE READ IT SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, YEAH, AS OF NOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MM-HMM. YEAH, WE'VE HAD SOME PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHERE THE, THE REVISED STREET TREE LISTS WERE PRESENTED. UHHUH, WE GAVE SOME INPUT. RIGHT. AND THEN I THINK THAT, UM, THAT WE DID COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO PLANNING FOR EXAMPLE OR ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK WE GOT DIRECTION, THAT ONE, I'M MORE CLEAR ON THAT ONE. WE HAVE DIRECTION, WE JUST NEED TO FIND OUT WHO WERE THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING, UM, DESIGN AD HOC THAT CAN TAKE IT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW AND SAY, OKAY, THREE COMMITTEE WEIGHED IN, THEY'VE ADOPTED THIS, WE'RE HERE AS AD HOC MEMBERS TO MEET WITH YOU ALL. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT A PUBLIC MEETING. MM-HMM . UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ANY CHANGES WE CAN TAKE BACK FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE, BUT WE'RE READY TO ADOPT THIS, WE JUST NEED TO FIND OUT IF WE GOT AT LEAST TWO MEMBERS STILL ACTIVE ON THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO ADD? UH, I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR THE AD HOC. I JUST, AGAIN, I, I, I SUPPOSE THIS WILL COME UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING AS MAYBE WE CAN TAKE SOME ACTION THEN, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME DIRECTION HERE. I'LL WORK WITH THE CHAIR, UH, AND YOU ON FRAMING THIS DISCUSSION FOR NEXT MEETING. OKAY, GREAT. UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I THINK WE'LL CLOSE THIS AND MOVE TO COMMITTEE COMMENT. [COMMITTEE COMMENT] UH, SO MEMBERS MAY SHARE BRIEF UPDATES OR IDEAS RELATED TO UPCOMING PROJECTS, EVENTS, COMMUNITY ISSUES. UH, YOU, UH, I, I CAN JUST, THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE IT'S GOOD FOR ME TO REPORT ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PLAN COMMISSION, I ASSUME. SO, UH, WE HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT. UH, WE DEALT WITH TWO ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES, PROPOSED CHANGES DEALING WITH ADUS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN TOWN, UM, AND THE STATE MANDATES THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ON, UM, AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT HAS GREATLY CONSTRAINED PETALUMA'S DECISION MAKING ALL AROUND DEALING WITH HOUSING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE HEAVILY CONSTRAINED BY THAT. THERE'S SOME NEW, IT'S 6, 6 3, 8 3, IF I REMEMBER. UM, UH, PART OF THE CODE FOR, UH, CALIFORNIA THAT REALLY, UM, IT, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DENY AN A DU UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. HMM. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE ZONING DEALT WITH, UM, CHANGES TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PART OF THE, ACTUALLY IT'S MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE DEALING WITH, UM, CFS, WHICH ARE, UM, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THEM. AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE AWKWARD BECAUSE THOSE DEFINITIONS AREN'T REALLY ATTACHED TO LAND USES. THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE MORE ATTACHED TO THE LICENSING THAT OCCURS AT THE STATE LEVEL. MM-HMM . AND SO THEY, WE, WE GOT INTO SOME GRANULAR DETAIL LAST NIGHT. IT WAS A FIVE, FOUR AND A HALF HOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO, UM, GOOD TV IT WAS ON IF ANYONE HAPPENED TO CATCH IT . UM, BUT IT'S STILL, IT, IT, THERE WAS SOME STUFF DEALING THERE WITH, UM, NOTHING THAT REALLY PERTAINS TO THE, THIS THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, UM, 'CAUSE IF IT'S, IF TREES ARE COMING DOWN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHERE THAT COULD BE AN ADVOCACY OUTREACH. HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PRESERVE THE TREES THAT ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE'S MORE TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAN THERE IS IN THE NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM. MM-HMM . SO HOW DO WE PROTECT THOSE? AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK, WOULD IT BE A GREAT DISCUSSION POINT AT THIS COMMITTEE IS HOW DO WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT, KNOWING THAT MORE TREES ARE PROBABLY, I ASSUME PETALUMA IS THE SAME WAY. OUR CANOPIES KIND OF SUGGESTED THAT IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT THERE WAS MORE, YOU KNOW, TREE COVER ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAN PUBLIC PROPERTY. UM, YET WE CAN'T DO TOO MUCH WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OTHER THAN EDUCATION AND MAYBE AN OCCASIONAL NUDGE. MM-HMM . OH, GOOD. WELL, THANKS. UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER HILT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. THAT'S ALSO BEING, UH, LOOKED AT WITH THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE. [01:05:01] UH, AND, UH, TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER TO REGULATE OR NOT, UH, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY TREES AND, UH, WHAT SIZE DIAMETER, THE TREES. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DO REGULATE IT, BUT IT WOULD BE QUITE A CHANGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY WHO, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THAT WILL AGAIN, GET BACK TO EDUCATION AND, AND SOME OTHER ADVOCACY AND THINGS TO, UH, MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY'S ON BOARD. 'CAUSE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE OUR, YEAH. OUR CANOPY THAT WAY. YEAH. MM-HMM . UM, GREAT. ANYONE NEXT? UH, DO YOU WANNA PUT UP YOUR HANDS IF YOU HAVE A, A COMMITTEE COMMENT OF, OR UPDATE OF ANY SORT? I COULD JUMP IN. UM, JUST A LITTLE BRIEF ONE, I, I, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO'S WORKING ON GETTING THEIR TREES, UH, PRUNED AND ON THEIR STREET TREE. AND, UH, SO THEY WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE LIKE THE YEAR THEIR PERMIT COSTS WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE $500 RANGE. AND, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP EVERYWHERE FOR EVERYTHING. SO THE COST OF THE TREE WORK ITSELF HAS GONE UP CONSIDERABLY. AND THEIR FRUSTRATION IS THAT LIKE THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY MAINTAINING THEIR STREET TREE, BUT ALSO KIND OF BEARING THE BRUNT OF THE PERMIT FEE AS WELL. THAT SOME OF IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, COST RECOVERY, RIGHT? ADMINISTRATIVE WORK, UH, THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO, TO MAIN AND, UH, AND ACTUALLY THE INSPECTION OF THE TREE WORK ITSELF TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING, UH, PRUNED EFFECTIVELY. BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT JUST COMES BACK TO ONE, LIKE KIND OF THIS, UH, BIG WEIGHTY ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. OR LIKE, WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES? WHAT ARE THE COSTS? WE WANT OUR, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS BY THEIR STREET TREES. BUT YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT? IS IT, IS IT, IS IT ALL FALL ON THE PROPERTY OWNER OR IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER BUCKET OF MONEY OUT THERE? IS THE CITY WILLING TO, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THE CITY DOES SOME, UM, STREET OR SOME STREET CURB REPAIR, OR WHAT DO WE CALL IT, SIDEWALK REPAIR. THERE IS A BIT OF, UM, MONEY OUT THERE FOR, FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF TO, TO SORT OF HOPE THAT THE CITY MIGHT, UM, MIGHT HAVE SOME MONEY FOR SOME, SOME STREET TREE REPAIRS AS WELL. ANYWAY, UM, I THINK I, I GOT THE, HOPEFULLY YOU GOT THE GIST OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE WANT TO, UM, FIGURE OUT WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR URBAN FOREST AND, AND SOME OF THAT IS THINKING ABOUT THE INCENTIVES AND COSTS OUT THERE. MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. ANYBODY ELSE, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO STAFF [STAFF COMMENT] COMMENT. OKAY, DREW, THANK YOU. UH, JUST SOME BRIEF COMMENTS, UH, FOR THE AWARENESS OF THIS COMMITTEE. WE, UH, ARE ON OUR FOURTH NOW WEBINAR AND OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM WITH OUR LADS, OUR LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS. SO WE HAVE NEARLY 50 LADS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IF YOU REMEMBER FROM ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF WHAT THE CANOPY AND WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, TREES REALLY LIVE. UM, THESE LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DI DISTRICTS OFFER US A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH EACH KIND OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT ARE BEING ASSESSED TO, TO KEEP, UM, LANDSCAPED AREAS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, UM, MAINTAINED. UM, BUT IT'S NOT RUNNING, UH, A VERY SUSTAINABLE PROGRAM. SO OUR FIRST STEP IS TO PRESENT WITH EACH GROUP INDIVIDUALLY, UH, KIND OF THE FINANCES, WHERE THE, UH, DISTRICT IS, UM, WHERE THEIR RATES ARE, WHERE THEIR RATES ARE EXPECTED TO BE, UM, ONE TIME COSTS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, KIND OF PRESENT THAT WHOLE FINANCIAL SITUATION, AND THEN TALK THEM THROUGH SOME PROCESSES TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. WHAT'S REALLY UNIQUE IS, UM, THEY GET TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMITTEE GETS TO VOTE. UM, A MAJORITY VOTE GETS TO HELP SET THEIR RATES FOR HOW THEY WANT THEIR LANDSCAPES TO MAIN MAINTAINED. BUT TREES, UM, OUR BIG PORTION OF THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . IS WHEN THERE'S TREE LOSS, PEOPLE ARE, ARE REALLY DESPERATELY ASKING FOR MORE TREES AND WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE TO MAINTAIN THEM, TO INSTALL THEM, ET CETERA. SO WE'RE WEEK TWO INTO THIS. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE TONIGHT. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK SO FAR WE'RE, WE'RE LEARNING WITH EACH MEETING HOW TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION BETTER. UM, ALL OF THESE WILL LIVE ON INDIVIDUAL WEBSITES, SO IF ANYONE LIVES WITHIN A LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, UH, GO ONLINE TO CITY OF PETALUMA TYPE [01:10:01] LADS. THERE'S GONNA BE WEBSITES, INDIVIDUAL LANDING PAGES FOR EACH LAD, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING TOGETHER AS WE ROLL OUT THESE WEBINARS. SO, UM, MORE INFORMATION TO KIND OF SHARE RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IS JUST PRESENTING THE FINANCIALS AND, AND WHAT THE PROCESSES ARE TO, UM, GET TO RIGHT SIZE SOME OF THESE SHIPS. BUT, UM, I'VE ONLY, I'VE, I'VE HEARD TREES IN EACH ONE OF 'EM SO FAR, . SO IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY, PRETTY BIG TOPIC FOR US. AND, UH, THAT'S MY UPDATES FOR TODAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD UPDATES, DREW. THANK YOU. UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND IT. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. UH, MM-HMM . UH, NEXT MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER. WELL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT THIRD WEEK OF, UH, NOVEMBER 3RD. WEDNESDAY OF NOVEMBER. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.