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[CALL TO ORDER]
EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE, OH, SORRY,GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE 13TH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISOR COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22ND, 2025.
IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLE VERDE.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO LEAD THE COMMITTEE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS WHEN A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL NUITY.
AND JUST FOR, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK ANY SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK AND INVITE THE CLERK TO READ GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS.
JUST TELL HIM TO HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
CAN YOU HOLD ON ONE SECOND? SURE.
I JUST NOTICED, I THOUGHT SOMETIMES DIFFERENT TESTING THE MIC ALSO, THE, UM, THEY MOVED OVER THERE.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK AND INVITE THE CLERK TO READ GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS.
THEN WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES.
IF NONE, WE'LL STATE THAT THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025? I SEE NONE.
SO I'LL MAKE A REQUEST THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE, UH, VOICE VOTE, I BELIEVE FOR DRAFT MINUTES.
WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 24TH.
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, SHOULD YOU DO REUSE? OH, RIGHT.
I WASN'T THERE EITHER, SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE MINUTES SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO.DRONES AND AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS.
A LPR IS THE ACRONYM FOR THAT.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK CHIEF MILLER AND STAFF TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC.
I'M GONNA, UH, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR, OUR NOTES.
UH, IT KEEPS, UH, KEEPS INTRODUCING IT TO ME WHEN OUR TEAM'S GONNA DO THESE PRESENTATIONS.
SO I, I LOVE, LOVE IT REFERRING TO ME, BUT REALLY IT'S GONNA BE OUR, OUR, UH, OUR TEAM THAT'S REALLY GONNA SHINE IN THESE MOMENTS.
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RIVERA, WHO'S CURRENTLY ONE OF OUR WATCH COMMANDERS, UH, HE'S ASSIGNED AT THE MOMENT TO OUR WEEKDAY WATCH, HE'S A PATROL LIEUTENANT, UM, IS, IS, UH, THE BENEFICIARY OF OUR DRONE PROGRAM, THE INAUGURAL PROGRAM AT OUR DEPARTMENT.WE'VE ONLY HAD THE PROGRAM, UM, RECENTLY, THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UH, ALSO IS KIND OF WONDERING WHY HE'S HERE TONIGHT PRESENTING ON THE LPR PROGRAM, WHICH HAS BEEN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM THE LAST FEW YEARS.
BUT WE'VE BUNDLED THOSE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEACE SAG TONIGHT.
SO, UH, I ASK YOU TO BE BE GRACIOUS AND PATIENT WITH HIM.
THAT'S NOT HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE NECESSARILY, BUT YOU HAVE, UH, THE REST OF OUR COMMAND STAFF HERE THAT CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT HE'S GONNA GUIDE US THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION AS WELL AS YOU HAVE LIEUTENANT AVIANO HERE FOR THE REST OF THE, THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, COMPONENTS OF THAT.
SO, LIEUTENANT RIVERA ZEUS PROCEED.
THANK YOU CHIEF, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE CHAIR.
UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION, UH, IS MEANT TO BE AN OVERVIEW OF THE UNMANNED, UH, AIRCRAFT SYSTEM DRONES AND AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS.
UH, AS CHIEF, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SCREEN.
ARE WE, WE'RE NOT SEEING THEM ON THE COUNCIL DISPLAYS.
IS THAT GOOD? I'M NOT SHOWING BACK MESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YELLOW IT MEANS.
WELL, WE COULD JUST LOOK AT THE BIG SCREEN.
DID YOU GET A PICTURE? YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE SECOND TIME FOR ABOUT THREE SECONDS.
PRESS WHAT? LOWER RIGHT CORNER.
LOWER THE, THE BUTTON ON THE BACK.
BUT IT GOES BACK TO, I THINK THEY WERE ALL FULL.
THE, IT WAS ON NOW, NOW IT'S BLUE.
DID THE BLUE LIGHT AND IT GOES BACK.
OH, LIKE TURNING UP AND THEN IT GOES BACK OFF.
WELL, THERE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHERE THE BREAK'S CALLED.
WE COULD JUST LOOK AT THE BIG SCREEN.
THAT'S LIKE WE DID IN THE OLD DAYS.
WE COULD, WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE AROUND 20 YEARS.
AND THEY STACK LIKE THIS ARENA AVER.
EVERYBODY TURNS AROUND AND LOOKS AT THE TV SCREENS.
YEAH, I USED TO HAVE MY DISTANCE GLASSES TO LOOK AT JORDAN.
DO YOU HAVE A SCREEN? I USED TO LOOK HERE.
SO WHEN YOU NOTICE ME LOOKING AT CERTAIN PEOPLE, IT'S NOT I REALLY LOOKING AT THE GOTCHA.
NO, WE THOUGHT YOU WERE STARING AT US
WELL, I CAN GET IT ON MY LITTLE COMPUTER.
IF I PUT MY GLASSES ON, I CAN GET THE AGENDA PRESENTATION.
SHOULD WE JUST, EVERYBODY TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT, I THINK WE'RE ALL CAPABLE OF DOING THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? SO, YEAH.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, IT'S FINE.
I'M GONNA PROBABLY GO, THAT'S FINE TOO.
NOW YOU ACTUALLY HAVE OUR END.
I DID LOOK, ARE WE STILL RECORDING? ALRIGHT.
APOLOGIES TO THE PUBLIC FOR THAT.
A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, BUT WE'RE GONNA FORGE AHEAD, UM, WITH THE AGENDA.
APOLOGIES FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE CHAIR.
UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS MEANT TO BE AN OVERVIEW OF THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM, DRONES AND AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS.
UH, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER RELATED QUESTIONS, UM, FROM THE COMMITTEE WILL BE PROVIDED.
UH, IN TONIGHT'S MEETING, I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS AND THE DRONE TEAM.
UH, A REVIEW OF THE UAS EQUIPMENT CURRENTLY OPERATED BY THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, A BRIEF REVIEW OF USES AND GUIDELINES FOR THE USE OF UAS OR DRONES, EXCUSE ME, A BRIEF OVERVIEW
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OF AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, UH, OR APRS FUNCTION AND USE, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF PETALUMA SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO FACILITATE TRANSPARENCY REGARDING BOTH TECHNOLOGIES AND, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS.COULD YOU TALK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES.
UH, U-S-A-P-P-D POLICY AND THE PURCHASE OF THE DRONE EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT GOOD? LOUD ENOUGH? YEAH.
UH, DRONE EQUIPMENT WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, IN JUNE OF 2022.
A UAS TEAM BECAME OPERATIONAL IN THE LAST QUARTER OF 2023, AND CONSISTS OF ONE SERGEANT FOUR OFFICERS, UH, WHO HOLD A FAA PART 1 0 7, UH, PILOT REMOTE PILOT CERTIFICATE, UH, WHICH REQUIRES LINE OF SIGHT FOR THE, UH, UH, MAINTAIN BE MAINTAINED WITH A CRAFT ONCE IT'S DEPLOYED.
UH, THESE FIVE TRAINED DRONE PILOTS ARE ALL CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO PATROL TEAMS AS THEIR PRIMARY ASSIGNMENT, UH, AND HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH UNMANNED AERIAL SYSTEMS OR UUAS AND UNMANNED GROUND VEHICLE, OR THE DRONE ROBOT, WHICH WILL COVER AS WELL, UH, TO ACHIEVE CERTIFICATION.
EACH REMOTE PILOT MUST TRAIN AND PASS A PROFICIENCY AND WRITTEN FAA TESTS.
AFTER ATTENDING TRAINING REMOTE PILOTS ALSO CONTINUE TO TRAIN TO MAINTAIN PROFICIENCY WITH UAS EQUIPMENT AND MAINTAIN AWARENESS OF CHANGING LAWS REGARDING UAS TECHNOLOGY AND LIMITATIONS REGARDING PRIVACY.
UH, THE IMAGES, UH, ON THE SLIDE IDENTIFY THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN AT PPD.
UH, THE WHEELED ROBOT IS A DRONE PICTURED.
ON THE, UH, ON THE TOP IS THE SGIN MK ONE GROUND ROVER.
THAT IS THE ONLY, UH, EQUIPMENT OF ITS KIND THAT WE HAVE.
THE BLACK DRONE PICTURE ON THE TOP IS A DJ I MAVIC, THREE THERMAL CAPABLE DEVICE.
UH, THESE ARE THE LARGEST UNITS THE DEPARTMENT OWNS, AND WE OWN TWO OF THESE CRAFTS.
UM, THESE CRAFTS ARE DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR EXTERIOR OPERATION.
THE WHITE DRONE IS A DJ JI MINI FOUR PRO, AND THE DEPARTMENT OWNS FOUR OF THESE CRAFTS.
THESE CRAFTS ARE DESIGNED FOR EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR OPERATION.
THE OFF-WHITE DRONE, UH, OR IS A LOKI MK TWO DESIGNED FOR INTERIOR OPERATION, AND WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE DEVICES.
THE PETAL AND POLICE DEPARTMENT OWNS EIGHT DRONES IN TOTAL AND ONE ROBOT.
UH, ALL DRONE EQUIPMENT DISCUSSED FALLS WITHIN AB 4 81 QUALIFYING EQUIPMENT, UH, WHICH THIS COMMITTEE HAS LEARNED ABOUT DURING PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
DRONES PROVIDE A COST-EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE TO TRADITIONAL MEANS, SUCH AS A HELICOPTER AND FIXED WING, UH, CRAFTS THAT REQUIRE EXTENSIVE COST AND IN BOTH EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL.
CURRENT DRONE DEPLOYMENT IS FROM PATROL VEHICLE TRUNKS, UH, IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND THIS METHOD, OFFICERS, EXCUSE ME, OFFERS OFFICERS A CURRENT, UH, METHOD TO QUICKLY ESTABLISH AN AERIAL PERSPECTIVE DURING EMERGENCIES, PROVIDING OFFICERS WITH BETTER SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, REDUCING RISK TO STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY.
DRONES OFFER THE CAPABILITY TO MONITOR SUSPECTS AND VEHICLES IN REAL TIME KEEPING OFFICERS OUT OF HARM'S WAY DURING INCIDENTS SUCH AS ARMED SUBJECTS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, OR OTHER DISASTERS.
DRONES OFFER REAL REALTIME SITUATIONAL AWARENESS BEFORE OFFICERS, UH, POTENTIALLY ENTER A HIGH RISK ENVIRONMENT, PROVIDING OFFICERS WITH ELEMENT OF SURPRISE, UH, OR TACTICAL ADVANTAGE.
THE MAVIC THREE, AS I SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT, IT OFFERS THERMAL IMAGING CAPABILITIES FOR NIGHT SEARCHES, WHICH IS INVALUABLE FOR OPEN TERRAIN SEARCHES OF SUSPECTS, OR SEARCH AND RESCUE FOR MISSING PERSONS.
DRONES OFFER A QUICK AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO DOCUMENT CRIME AND SCENE CO UH, COLLISION SCENES AS WELL.
UH, THE MOST COMMON USAGE INVOLVED, UH, ATTEMPTING TO LOCATE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SUSPECTED OF COMMITTING A CRIME AND FLED FROM OFFICERS.
UM, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS, MOST SITUATIONS WHERE A DRONE WAS DEPLOYED, OFFICERS TRADITIONALLY WILL ALSO REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM, UH, SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HELICOPTER.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE STILL FREQUENTLY AIDED BY THE SHERIFF'S HELICOPTER, UH, THE DEPLOYMENT OF DRONES IS OFTEN MORE TIMELY FOR US, UH, AND LESS IMPACTFUL FOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY SIX 13 AND 7 0 9, WHICH ARE INFORMED BY CURRENT LAWS GOVERN DRONE OPERATIONS.
DRONE PILOTS MUST RESPECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AND PRIVACY RIGHTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
ABSENT A WARRANT OR EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES, OFFICERS CANNOT RECORD IN AREAS THAT HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.
DRONES ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR RANDOM SURVEILLANCE OPERATIONS, AND A LEGAL BASIS, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE MUST BE ATTACHED TO EACH DEPLOYMENT AND HAVE SUPERVISOR APPROVAL.
REMOTE PILOTS MUST OBEY FAA FLIGHT ZONES
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AND HAVE DISCRETION REGARDING DEPLOYMENT IF THEY DETERMINE THE CONDITIONS TO BE UNSAFE FOR A DRONE DEPLOYMENT.DRONE DEPLOYMENTS AND TRAINING FLIGHTS ARE TRACKED VIA PRE-FLIGHT AND POST-FLIGHT CRAFT INSPECTIONS AND RECORDS ARE REVIEWED BY THE UAS SUPERVISOR.
THESE, UH, NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE EXAMPLES OF, UH, FOOTAGE FROM DRONES.
THESE IMAGES SHOW INFRARED IMAGING AND TRADITIONAL IMAGING DURING A HIGH RISK VEHICLE STOP SCENARIO.
WITH THESE, WITH A DRONE, OFFERING A DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINT WITHOUT EXPOSING OFFICERS FROM POSITIONS OF COVER OR CONCEALMENT, HIGH RISK VEHICLE STOPS CAN BE DANGEROUS AND EVOLVE QUICKLY INTO SCENARIOS WHERE VARIOUS FORCE OPTIONS MAY BECOME NECESSARY.
USING DRONES CAN PROVIDE OFFICERS THE ADVANTAGE OF TIME AND DISTANCE TO DEESCALATE SCENARIOS WHERE SUSPECTS ARE ARMED, UNCOOPERATIVE, OR IN CRISIS.
A VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPH, UH, THAT'S CONT COLLECTED FROM DRONE FOOTAGE RELATED TO INCIDENTS SUCH AS THIS ARE LATER UPLOADED INTO EVIDENCE.COM.
THE SECURE SYSTEM, WHICH CONTAINS ALL OUR BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND EVIDENTIARY PHOTOGRAPHS.
THE SYSTEM INCLUDES PERMISSIONS TO PROHIBIT ACCESS, BUILT-IN RETENTION SCHEDULES THAT VARY DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF INCIDENT AND AN AUDIT TRAIL TO DETERMINE WHO HAS VIEWED THE EVIDENCE.
THIS IS AN IMAGE UTILIZING INFRARED TECHNOLOGY WHERE OFFICERS ARE CLEARING A VEHICLE AFTER A HIGH RISK VEHICLE STOP.
THERMAL IMAGING UTILIZES INFRARED TECHNOLOGY TO DETECT HEAT EMISSIONS, WHICH ARE PROCESSED INTO VISIBLE IMAGES, AS YOU'VE SHOWN, AS YOU SEE HERE.
UH, THIS TECHNOLOGY ENHANCES THE DRONE OPERATOR'S ABILITY TO DISCERN OBJECTS AND PEOPLE IN OPEN AREAS AND SOME AREAS THAT ARE CLOSE TO, UH, PROXIMITY TO VEHICLES OR BUILDINGS.
UH, DRONES OFFER DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS AS A METHODOLOGY FOR OFFICERS TO IMPROVE THEIR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, ENHANCING OFFICER SAFETY AND ALLOWING FOR REAL-TIME HAZARDS TO BE EVALUATED AND AID DURING STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WITH THIS WE'LL GO INTO APRS LICENSE PLATE READERS HAVE BEEN USED, UH, BY PPD SINCE 2011, INITIALLY AS A PARKING ENFORCEMENT TOOL, AFTER BEING USED AS A PARKING TOOL, UH, WITH A SOFTWARE FROM VIGILANT PPD PROVIDED TO PPD PIVOTED TO PATROL, UH, MOUNTED, UH, CAMERAS ON OUR VEHICLES, UH, WHICH WAS DETERMINED TO BE NOT BE COST EFFECTIVE, AND, AGAIN, PIVOTED TO THE CURRENT MODEL.
WE NOW HAVE, UH, WITH FIXED A LPR FLOCK CAMERAS IN OUR CITY FLOCK OFFERS CAMERAS FOR PURCHASE, UH, FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE SIX, SIX FLOCK CAMERAS IN PETALUMA THAT ARE OWNED BY SONOMA COUNTY.
UH, AND THESE CAMERAS WERE PURCHASED VIA GRANT, UH, BY THE SONOMA COUNTY AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE.
THERE'S ALSO ONE PRIVATELY OWNED FLOCK CAMERA AT A LOCAL SHOPPING CENTER, FOUR FLOCK CAMERAS, OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INSTALLED THAT WERE PURCHASED BY PPD WITH FUNDING FROM THE GRANT FROM SONOMA COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
A-A-L-P-R TECHNOLOGY OFFERS A REAL-TIME INVESTIGATIVE TOOL TO LOCATE STOLEN VEHICLES WANTED SUSPECTS ASSOCIATED WITH A VEHICLE, FELONY VEHICLES, AND MISSING PERSONS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH A VEHICLE.
APRS ALSO OFFER INVESTIGATIVE AVENUES WHERE OTHER OR OFFICERS CAN IDENTIFY OTHER VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH SUSPECT VEHICLES, IDENTIFYING CRIMINALS WORKING IN CONCERT.
A LPR FOOTAGE HAS BUILT IN DATA RETENTION LIMITS OF 30 DAYS, UNLESS THE PLATE IS ON A HOT LIST OR PART OF AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION.
AAL, P-A-L-P-R TECHNOLOGY IS A GREAT INFORMATION SHARING TECHNOLOGY, AND THE FOOTAGE IS SECURE, HAS ACCESS CONTROLS, AND ALSO HAS AN AUDIT TRAIL.
NEXT SLIDE, TO RECAP A L P'S AND DRONES, UH, ENHANCED OFFICER AND COMMUNITY SAFETY BY IMPROVING REALTIME SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND REDUCE COST BY IMPROVING INVESTIGATIVE EFFICIENCY.
BOTH TECHNOLOGIES ARE COUNCIL APPROVED REQUIRING DOCUMENTED JUSTIFICATION AND AUDIT TRAILS AND DEPARTMENT POLICIES THAT GOVERN THEIR USE.
DRONES ARE SUBJECT TO AB 4 81 ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AND DRONES AND APRS DO NOT HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
PPD IS COMMITTED TO ONGOING EDUCATION REGARDING BOTH TECHNOLOGIES AND ENGAGING IN DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY AS THEY, AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES.
FUTURE EXPANSION WILL BE GUIDED BY DATA, COMMUNITY INPUT, AND CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE CHANGE IS DRIVEN BY PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE TRAINING AND BEST PRACTICES ARE ADHERED TO.
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I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I, THAT YOU MAY HAVE OR, UH, LEAN ON MY COLLEAGUES TO DO SO.UM, FOR THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, UM, ONE OF THEIR USES IS INFORMATION SHARING.
SO IF SAY A VEHICLE'S ON THE HOT LIST AND IT COMES THROUGH ONE OF THE CAMERAS, IS IT AUTOMATICALLY DISSEMINATED ACROSS AGENCIES? DOES IT GET FLAGGED FOR YOUR TEAM AND THEN YOU MANUALLY SHARE IT TO OTHER AGENCY? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE INFORMATION SHARING PIECE IF IT'S AUTOMATED OR MANUAL? SO IF, IF A VEHICLE'S ON A HOT LIST, UH, THERE IS, THERE IS, UH, WAY THAT AGENCIES CAN SHARE, WE, WE BASICALLY CAN CHOOSE WHAT INFORMATION WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET.
UM, GENERALLY IT'S WITHIN THE NORTH BAY, UH, SO PETALUMA OFFICERS CAN GO IN AND SELECT, UM, WHAT SORT OF ALERTS THEY WANT, UH, WANT TO RECEIVE.
AND SO IF A VEHICLE THAT'S ON A HOT LIST COMES INTO OUR, OUR CITY, THEN THAT OFFICER THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON DUTY OR, UH, DISPATCH WOULD GET AN ALERT THAT THAT VEHICLE HAS ENTERED OUR JURISDICTION.
KIND OF A, SORRY, KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, YOU SAID GENERALLY IT'S NORTH BAY, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF AN OFFICER FROM ANYWHERE IN THE STATE SORT OF PUTTING A LICENSE PLATE ON A HOT LIST FOR, UM, THE ENTIRE NORTH BAY.
LIKE, COULD SOMEONE IN ARIZONA SAY, I'M GONNA PUT THIS LICENSE PLATE ON THE HOT LIST AND I WANNA BE NOTIFIED IF IT SHOWS UP IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA? I, I'M NOT, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION.
I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO ALERTS FOR OUR OFFICERS, NOT ENTRY OF PLATES.
IF, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M MORE ASKING, LIKE AS AN OFFICER, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS RIGHT, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I WANNA PUT THIS LICENSE PLATE ON A HOT LIST SO THAT IF IT SHOWS UP IN THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, IN ANOTHER COUNTY OR REGION, THAT OFFICER WILL GET NOTIFIED TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND THAT LICENSE PLATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE I I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
SO, PENDULUM POLICE OFFICER SAID, DOES A, TAKES A CASE OF A STOLEN VEHICLE, RIGHT? THEY PUT THE LICENSE PLATE INTO THE SYSTEM, IT POPS IN PASADENA.
PASADENA PD GETS ALERTED, NOT LO PD, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO IT WOULD BE UP TO PASADENA PD TO THEN SHARE WITH PETAL LO PD, HEY, WE GOTTA POP ON A STOLEN VEHICLE.
YOU REPORTED IN THE SYSTEM, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY AUTOMATED THAT IF A STOLEN VEHICLE ORIGINATING FROM PETALUMA IS IN THE SYSTEM AND IT GETS PICKED UP SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY NOTIFY PETALUMA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE NOTIFICATION WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T HAPPEN, UM, VIA THE SYSTEM.
THE, THE NOTIFICATION OCCURS IF, IF A VEHICLE WAS TRAVELING THROUGH A JURISDICTION AND THEY HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT FOR THAT SYSTEM, FOR THAT INFORMATION, THEN THEY WOULD GET AN ALERT.
AND REALLY IT'S UP TO THEM AT THAT POINT TO DETERMINE ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION? WHAT, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, ARE THEY GOING TO ARMED WITH THAT INFORMATION? UM, SO IF, IF THEY DO, THEY GET THE ALERT, THEY IDENTIFY THE VEHICLE, THEY STOP IT, THEY CONCEIVABLY WOULD RECOVER A STOLEN VEHICLE AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD CONTACT US AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE HAVE YOUR STOLEN VEHICLE.
AND WE WOULD THEN FACILITATE THE CONTACT OF THE OWNER AND SO FORTH TO GET THAT VEHICLE BACK TO THE RIFLE OWNER.
UH, UM, AS FAR AS INFORMATION SHARING IS CONCERNED, UM, WHO CAN ACCESS THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A VEHICLE IS LOCATED ON A LICENSE PLATE READER IN PETALUMA? SO IS IT ONLY PETALUMA POLICE CAN SEE THAT, OR IS IT PETALUMA POLICE, THE NORTH BAY AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE? IS IT ALL AGENCIES IN SONOMA COUNTY WHO GETS TO SEE THAT INFORMATION? OR IS IT JUST PETALUMA POLICE? I'M, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
SO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE BASICALLY TWO NETWORKS.
SO WE HAVE OUR LOCAL NETWORK WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH AGAINST ANY OF THE PETALUMA PD, UM, CAMERAS, WHICH CAN TELL JUST A NUMBER A FEW WEEKS AGO, WHICH WAS ZERO BECAUSE OUR CAMERAS WERE NOT, UH, NOT INSTALLED UNTIL RECENTLY.
UM, SO WE NOW HAVE FOUR CAMERAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE OWNERSHIP EXCLUSIVELY OF PETALUMA OR THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
UM, UH, THE, UH, OTHER NETWORK ARE, ARE OUR CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE THE, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE INFORMATION SHARING WITH.
SO WE HAVE NO INFORMATION SHARING WITH ANY AGENCIES THAT ARE A FEDERAL AGENCY OR WITH ANY AGENCIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
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FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT WE DON'T SHARE ANY INFORMATION WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES.SO THERE'S NO ONE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS, UH, RULES OR REGULATIONS OUTSIDE OF WHAT OUR STATE LAWS ARE.
SO THEIR CONSISTENCE AND COMPLIANCE WITH OUR STATE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO, AS WELL AS NO ONE IS OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SHARING ACROSS STATE LINES AND GOING INTO OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
SO THERE'S AUTONOMY WITHIN THE STATE.
UM, PART OF THAT IS ALSO BECAUSE WE'RE FINDING THAT IN A REGIONAL STANDPOINT, WE'RE ON THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR, WE FIND THAT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IS GOING THROUGH OUR GENERAL AREA, AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A CRIME IN OUR AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE HOURS AWAY.
WE'LL SEE SOMEONE SCAN IN THE NORTH BAY AND BE, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN BAKERSFIELD IN A NUMBER OF HOURS AND SCANNING IN, IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPERATIVE AND IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE NETWORK SHARING ACROSS, UH, A BROADER REGION.
BUT NONETHELESS, WE DO HAVE CONSTRAINTS ON IT THAT STAY WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW.
AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE VALUES ACT AND SB 54 AND THE TRUTH ACT.
UM, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS.
UM, I REMEMBER WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS DECIDING WHETHER TO AUTHORIZE ADDITIONAL PUR, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS.
AND I GAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME I WAS SAYING THAT ICE ACTIVITY WAS, WAS REALLY BIG, AND THAT AT THE TIME A CLU HAD RECENT, RECENTLY WROTE ABOUT A VAST LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION DATABASE THAT 9,000 ICE OFFICERS GAIN ACCESS TO DRIVER LOCATION DATA FROM LOCAL POLICE EVEN IN CALIFORNIA, AND USED THE DATA AND USE THAT DATA IN DEPORTATION.
I, AT THE TIME SAID, UH, THE, UH, THE POLICY GOVERNING LICENSE PLATE READERS STATED THAT THEY COULD BE USED TO GATHER INFORMATION FOR HOMELAND SECURITY.
THAT, UH, 4 6 2 0.2 STILL SAYS TO THIS DAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF LICENSE PLATE READERS, THAT TECHNOLOGY MAY BE USED TO GATHER INFORMATION RELATED TO HOMELAND SECURITY.
AND THERE IS, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN ANY, IN THAT POLICY THAT SAID, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT THEY CAN'T, THAT YOU CAN'T GET TO FEDERAL.
SO HOW, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THIS INFORMATION IS NOT GETTING TO ICE? SURE.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY OWN ACCOUNTABILITY IS IT'S A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY.
PART OF THE REASON I KNOW THAT ANSWER AND CAN TELL YOU DEFINITIVELY IS I LOOKED AT IT TODAY AND THERE'S 300, AND I WANNA SAY IT WAS 332 NETWORKS.
THERE'S 332 CAMERAS THAT WE ARE INFORMATION SHARING WITH, UM, ON THAT NETWORK.
BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT AND I LOOKED AT THOSE AGENCIES.
'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING AND WE HAVE TO GO IN AND VERIFY AND LOOK AT EXACTLY ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE AGREE TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH.
AND IT IS AS EASY SOMETIMES AS A CLICK OF THOSE BUTTONS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO THINGS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE CAME DOWN HERE THIS EVENING.
THERE'S TWO EXAMPLES, UM, AGENCIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE PLATFORMS DO AND ARE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, BLINDLY ACCEPTING ALL.
AND IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE WHEN YOU SIGN UP AND DOWNLOAD AN APP, UM, IN THE APP STORE AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, CLICK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I AGREE TO ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN THERE, AND YOU'VE RELEASED ACCESS TO YOUR PHOTOS, YOUR EMAIL, YOUR USER INFORMATION.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU'RE GIVING IT TO.
UM, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY READ THOSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
WE READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND THEY MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING UP, UH, ACCESS TO YOUR, YOUR SYSTEM AND WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE.
THE SECOND IS YOUR POINT OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND CERTAIN JURISDICTIONS WAS WRITING IN THE REASON FOR THE INVESTIGATION THAT A FEDERAL AGENT HAD CALLED THEM AND SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS HAVE THE FLOCK SYSTEM, OR YOU HAVE THE VIGILANT SYSTEM.
CAN YOU, YOU CAN RUN A RIGHT LICENSE PLATE FOR ME? YEAH, SURE.
THEY'D LOG ON THE SYSTEM AND OKAY, HERE'S THE PLATE, AND THEY'D RUN THE PLATE, OKAY, UH, WHERE DID IT LAST SCAN? OR WHAT'S THE INFORMATION ON IT? AND GIVE THAT INFORMATION OUT.
AND IT WAS RECORDED, RIGHT? AND, AND THERE WAS AUDIT RECORDS THAT SHOWED THE REASON WAS TO STOP WAS A FEDERAL AGENT REQUESTED IT, AND THESE THINGS WERE DISCOVERED.
SO IT'S, IT'S USER ERROR AND HUMAN ERROR AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE LEGAL CONSTRAINTS AND THE LAWS ARE THAT PROHIBIT DOING THOSE EXACT SAME THINGS.
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WITH OUR STAFF ABOUT KNOWING WHAT STATE LAW IS AND THAT YOU CANNOT SHARE INFORMATION AND DO THOSE THINGS.AND WE ALSO HAVE STRICT RULES THAT YOU DON'T PROVIDE, UM, ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSITIVE DATABASES.
UH, IF A FEDERAL PARTNER WANTS FLOCK, THEY CAN GO GET THEIR OWN FLOCK SYSTEM AND THEY CAN SEND A USER REQUEST TO US, AND WE WOULD DENY IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION SHARING WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCY ON THOSE THINGS.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE POLICY AND NOT MAKING CLEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
LIKE AGAIN, IF IT'S, IT'S SAYING THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GATHER INFORMATION FOR HOMELAND SECURITY.
IS THERE ANOTHER VERSION OF HOMELAND SECURITY THAT'S NOT FEDERAL ICE? YEAH.
OH, SO THE, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS THE HOMELAND SECURITY AGENCY FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND THE DIRECTOR OF CAL OES IS THE HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS ITS OWN HOMELAND SECURITY THING, RIGHT.
APPARATUS THAT IS NOT THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
AND SO A LOT OF THE MONEY OR FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE COMES THROUGH THAT ENTITY.
IT'S THE STATE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES SLASH HOMELAND SECURITY.
WORKED FOR THEM FOR EIGHT YEARS.
AND OUR, YEAH, THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING I CAN OFFER, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA'S GOT A LONGSTANDING RECORD, I THINK, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM, FROM RECOLLECTION, BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS 2011.
WE'VE, WE'VE HAD LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE HAD 'EM ON OUR, OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, UM, FOR, FROM THE EARLY, UH, ADOPTION THERE.
UM, WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE INTER UH, EVOLUTIONS OF THEM.
UH, SOME ADJOINING COUNTIES HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES IN LITIGATION.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE AUDITS, UM, TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS AND MAKE SURE OUR INFORMATION SHARING HAS NOT BEEN PROBLEMATIC.
WE'VE DEMONSTRATED, UH, COMPLIANCE THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE THERE.
I ALSO JUST THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THE TECHNOLOGY.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN IT IN PARKING HAS BEEN, THERE'S BEEN CASE LAW.
AND I KNOW THE, THE COUNCILWOMAN RECENTLY HEARD THIS IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING MANAGEMENT STUDY WAS, I THINK IT WAS OUTTA THE FOURTH DISTRICT, UH, COURT.
UH, THERE WAS A RULING THAT THAT, UH, TIRE CHALKING WAS, UH, UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH AND SEIZURE.
AND SO, UH, WE WERE GOING TO ONLY BE ABLE TO DO LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY TO DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT.
AND I KNOW OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS.
AND THERE'S, UH, OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA HAVE IN THIS SETTING ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS OUTSIDE OF, OF EVEN, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT USES THAT, THAT, UM, THERE'S OTHER CITY COMPONENTS AND, AND THINGS THAT ARE INTERWOVEN INTO A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT I JUST THINK, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY'S GETTING INTERWOVEN BETWEEN ENFORCEMENT STRATEGIES AND OTHER DAILY USAGE THAT JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE TO THIS.
SO I KNOW THAT THE SENSITIVITIES ARE THERE.
WE UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND, AND I JUST HOPE, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND THE, AND THE, AND THE COMMITTEE RECOGNIZED THAT WE, WE ARE AS EQUALLY SENSITIVE TO THE, THE SECURITY AND THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND, AND WE HEAR THOSE THINGS.
AND WE, UH, ESPECIALLY AS NEW OWNERS WITH THESE FIXED CAMERAS, TAKE, TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF, UH, WE HIGHLIGHTED IT NECESSARILY, BUT IN, IN JUST THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FEW WEEKS AND, AND THE FA UM, LAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CASES IN THE FIRST WEEK ALONE.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST HITS THAT WE HAD ON OUR, OUR, OUR BRAND NEW CAMERAS WAS, UH, A, UH, HOT LIST HIT OUT OF OAKLAND FOR A FELONY WANTED VEHICLE FOR A RECKLESS DRIVING OF ESSENTIALLY A SIDES SHOW VEHICLE.
UH, THE DRIVER WAS NOT KNOWN, OR, OR THERE WAS NO, NOT A WARRANT OR A WARRANT FOR THE DRIVER, ESSENTIALLY, BUT THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE LICENSE PLATE AS INVOLVED IN RECKLESS ACTIVITY AND HAD AN IMPOUND WARRANT FOR IT.
SO WE WERE ABLE, WE'RE GETTING MULTIPLE SCANS FOR IT REPEATEDLY.
AND OVER A DAY AND A HALF OR SO, THE, UH, OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE VEHICLE WAS LOCATED
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AND STOPPED THE VEHICLE AND IMPOUND IT.AND SO WE TOOK THAT VEHICLE OFF THE ROADWAY, STOPPED IT FROM BEING AN INSTRUMENT, AND A CONTINUED, UM, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECKLESSLY DRIVE IN, IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN DANGEROUS BEHAVIORS.
UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SUBSEQUENTLY, I BELIEVE THE DRIVER HAD A WARRANT AND MADE AN ARREST THERE.
UH, WE HAD ANOTHER CASE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT THAT LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY WAS INTEGRAL IN A CARJACKING INVESTIGATION, NOT ONLY IN RECOVERING THE VEHICLE, IT WAS AN ARMED CARJACKING CASE, BUT ALSO IDENTIFYING THE SUSPECT VEHICLE.
IT INVOLVED MULTIPLE ASSAILANTS JUVENILE OFFENDERS, UM, HERE LOCALLY IN OUR JURISDICTION, A VIOLENT CASE.
UM, AND SO JUST SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT EVENTS.
AND WITHOUT THOSE TECHNOLOGIES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IDENTIFIED THE SUSPECT INVOLVED, THEIR VEHICLE INVOLVED, OR NECESSARILY RECOVERED THE, THE VICTIM VEHICLE IN THE CASE.
AND SO WE FOUND IT TO BE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT, ESPECIALLY FOR A SMALL OR MID-SIZED AGENCY, UM, THE RESOURCES IT TAKES TO DO SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS IN THE CASE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE BANDWIDTH TO BE EVERYWHERE.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S ALLOWING US TO BE REALLY METHODICAL AND, AND, AND, UH, IN MULTIPLE AREAS AND DOING THE WORK AND INVESTIGATIVE SKILLS THAT, THAT IT WOULD TAKE, UH, TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE.
AND THEN ONE LAST CASE THAT I SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER RECENTLY, UM, SIMILAR TO THE FIRST CASE I SHARED WITH YOU.
WE HAD, UH, HAD BEEN HAVING REPEATED REPORTS OR REPEATED, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT A, AN AGGRESSIVE, UH, ROAD RAGE DRIVER HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, UPWARDS, I THINK WE FOUND AFTER THE INVESTIGATION ABOUT 17 COMPLAINTS OF, OF RECKLESS DRIVING AND ROAD RAGE.
AND SO, UM, THEY HAD HAD A, A DESCRIPTION OF THE VEHICLE, A DESCRIPTION OF THE DRIVER, AND WE GOT, UM, THROUGH ALL THOSE COMPLAINTS, A COMPLETE LICENSE PLATE.
AND SO THEY ENTERED IT INTO TO THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND STARTED TO DEVELOP A DRIVING BEHAVIOR AND IDENTIFIED A GENERAL AREA WHERE THAT DRIVER DROVE ON A GENERAL TIME AND DAYS OF THE WEEK.
AND THE OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO PATROL THOSE AREAS AT THAT GENERAL TIME AND OBSERVE THAT DRIVER, UM, DRIVING IN THAT AREA, UM, DETERMINED THAT DRI IDENTIFIED THAT DRIVER AND DETERMINED THEY HAD A SUSPENDED LICENSE AND GOT THEM DRIVING, PULLED THEM OVER, UM, WITH THEIR SUSPENDED LICENSE, WE'RE ABLE TO CITE THEM FOR DRIVING ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE, WHICH ALSO IN CALIFORNIA, UM, IS A, A VIOLATION WHERE YOUR CAR CAN BE TOWED AND IMPOUNDED.
BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN, BEEN, UM, IMPACTFUL TO A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE BEING VICTIMIZED BY THEIR DRIVING BEHAVIORS AND CALLING IN REPEATEDLY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY INVESTIGATIVE LEADS.
WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY BEING PRODUCTIVE.
AND, UM, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU HEARD LAST MONTH, TRAFFIC SAFETY HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE MOST IMPACTFUL EVENTS.
AND THAT WAS A CASE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE, UM, PRODUCTIVE LEADS AND INVESTIGATIVE STEPS FORWARD AND, AND CLOSE OUT THAT CASE.
SO THAT WAS AS A RESULT OF, OF ONE OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS.
UM, SOMETHING IN THAT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP ALL THOSE DIFFERENT POINTS AND SORT OF GIVING US ALL THOSE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
UM, BUT I THINK FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC CITIZEN STANDPOINT, RIGHT? I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GIVE ME A CONCERN IS THAT THIS, THIS FLOCK TECHNOLOGY IS VERY GOOD AT TRACKING A CAR, A VEHICLE.
BUT IT WAS SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID, IT, IT THAT SORT OF STUCK WITH ME, WHICH IS LIKE, BUT THE VEHICLE CAN'T COMMIT RECKLESS DRIVING, RIGHT? IT'S A MACHINE.
AND WHAT THIS FLOCK TECHNOLOGY CAN'T PROVE IS WHO THE DRIVER WAS AT THE TIME WHEN THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WAS HAPPENING.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS, WE CAN PROVE THAT THIS MACHINE WAS USED IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME AND THEREFORE WE'RE IMPOUNDING THAT MACHINE.
BUT YOU, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE FLOCK SYSTEM CAN TIE THE DRIVER.
I, MY FAMILY, WE SHARE A CAR ACROSS ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT GOT THE FLOCK POPPED WHEN I WAS DRIVING, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT I WAS THE PERSON THAT WAS COMMITTING THE RECKLESS DRIVING.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC GETS SCARED OF IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND, AND I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE, ON THE ONE HAND, THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN'T TELL YOU WHO WAS DRIVING THE CAR.
SO, AND THE CAR CAN'T COMMIT A CRIME ON ITS OWN.
IT'S THE DRIVER OF THE CAR THAT COMMITS THE CRIME.
SO THERE'S SORT OF A, LIKE, IT, IT, IT, IT IS A SORT OF WEIRD DISCONNECT THERE.
AND ALSO ITS ABILITY TO SORT OF TRACK YOU OVER SUCH LONG DISTANCES, UM, CAN REALLY FEEL LIKE AN INVASION OF PRIVACY WHEN SOMEONE CAN SORT OF STITCH TOGETHER THAT DATA AND CAN REALLY PAINT A PRETTY ACCURATE PICTURE OF SORT OF WHERE YOU'VE BEEN, WHO YOU'VE SEEN, HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN THERE, WHERE YOU WENT AFTER THAT, WHERE YOU WENT BEFORE, THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEEP PRIVACY CONCERNS THERE.
YOU'RE LIKE, I'M TAKING THE TIME
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TO READ THE PREFERENCES, TO READ THE EULA BEFORE I SIGN IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SHARING THIS DATA.BUT I, I HOPE YOU ALSO SEE THAT FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT.
WE, I, I, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR MISUSE IN THAT SORT OF MASS COLLECTION OF DATA THAT IT'S, I THINK GENERALLY FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, IS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR US TO TRUST ANY ONE PERSON YEAH.
TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAFEGUARDING THAT ON THEIR OWN.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR SO MUCH, UM, NOT JUST FROM PETALUMA, BUT ALSO FROM SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO MUCH SORT OF PUBLIC, LIKE HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THIS STUFF IS SORT OF ENSHRINED AND IN CITY ORDINANCE AND ENSHRINED A LOSS SO THAT IT ISN'T UP TO JUST ONE PERSON YEAH.
TO TRY AND SAFEGUARD OUR, OUR PRIVACY.
AND I, AND I I JUST WANT TO JUST RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THOSE COMMENTS FOR POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
SO AGAIN, AS FAR AS OUR LPRS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN MOBILE, UM, PARKING ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, WHICH ARE ROAMING THROUGH, THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TIMESTAMP VEHICLES AND PARKING SPACES, UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR, OUR LPRS ARE FIXED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO EQUIP THEM TO VEHICLES AND HAVE DOWNTIME FROM, FROM MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
SO WE FIND THAT TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE STRATEGY.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TRACKING ANYONE.
SO THEY GET A, A STILL IMAGE AS YOU PASS THAT LOCATION AND THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING YOU PRIOR TO OR AFTERWARDS.
SO IT'S A MOMENT IN TIME AT ONE, ONE PASSING MOMENT.
UM, AND AS FROM A DATA RETENTION STANDPOINT, THOSE IMAGES ARE RETAINED FOR 30 DAYS.
SO WE DON'T DEVELOP A, A BOOK OF WHERE CHAIR MILLER HAS BEEN TRAVELING FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND NOW WE KNOW EVERY DAY FOR THREE YEARS AT 6:00 PM YOU KNOW, YOU GO ON THIS PATH.
AND SO WE AGREE THAT, UM, ANYTHING LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, THERE'S NOT MUCH INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSE.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW, AND MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES GENERALLY KEEP SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FOR 30 DAYS.
WE OFTEN FIND REPORTS COME TO US TWO OR THREE DAYS LATER.
IT TAKES A DAY TO GET OVER TO A BUSINESS AND GET THAT IT TAKES A DAY FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER TO PULL THE DATA.
SO SOME OF THESE THINGS COMPOUND AND IT TAKES A FEW WEEKS TO ACTUALLY GET THAT EVIDENCE.
AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THE ABILITY TO GET THOSE THINGS, UM, ACCESSIBLE AND NOT LOSE THAT IMPORTANT INFORMATION.
AND SO THEY FIND THAT THAT 30 DAYS WINDOW IS REALLY KIND OF THAT SWEET SPOT.
ANYTHING BEYOND THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, BEYOND ITS INVESTIGATIVE NECESSITY.
AND SO, UM, WE TRY TO FIND THAT BALANCE TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S REASONABLE APPLICATION WITHOUT ALSO FEELING TO, TO THE EXTREME TO THE, TO YOUR POINTS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FEEL THAT EITHER.
I HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS AS WELL OF LIKE, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE FOLLOWING ME AROUND AT THE SAME TIME.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT MY WIFE ALL, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT FIND MY FRIENDS ON HERE.
AND IT'S LIKE, SOMETIMES I JUST WANT TO TURN THAT OFF FOR THE SAME EXACT REASON.
AND WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC FEELING THAT SAME WAY.
BUT WE ALSO, UM, FOR SOME OF THE CASES I HIGHLIGHTED, SEE, SEE THE GREATER BENEFIT AND WE HOPE THE COMMUNITY RECOGNIZES THAT SOME OF THE CASES THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, SEEM TO MERIT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY GREATER BENEFIT FOR THOSE PURPOSE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I'M GONNA TRY AND KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AND KIND OF RELATED TO THE HOT LIST THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR GETTING A LICENSE PLATE ON THE HOT LIST? LIKE, IS THERE SUPERVISOR APPROVAL? CAN ANY OFFICER AT ANY TIME SAY, I'M GONNA PUT THIS LICENSE PLATE ON A HOT LIST, AND THEREFORE THAT LICENSE CAN BE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU'RE ON A HOT LIST, IT CAN BE TRACKED BEYOND THE 30 DAY LIMIT.
LIKE HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE, HOW DOES GETTING A LICENSE PLATE ON THE HOT LIST WORK AND HOW DOES GETTING A LICENSE PLATE OFF THE HOT LIST WORK, LIKE AS THE, IS THE PERSON WHOSE LICENSE PLATE HAS BEEN PUT ON THE HOT LIST? I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON A HOT LIST.
SO IS THERE ANY, SO IF THEY DID KNOW, COULD THEY APPEAL AND SAY, I'D LIKE TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS HOT LIST.
LIKE I JUST, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS OVER KEEPING A LIST LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I, I CAN SPEAK, SPEAK TO THE HOW, HOW A A LICENSE PLATE WOULD END UP ON A HOT LIST WOULD BASICALLY THROUGH A POLICE REPORT SO THAT, UH, WE GET A CITIZEN THAT WOULD CALL IN, UH, REPORTING A VEHICLE STOLEN, UH, REPORTING A, UM, A, A CRIME OF SOME SORT THAT INVOLVES A VEHICLE AND THERE'S AN INVESTIGATIVE, UM, AVENUE AVAILABLE WITH, WITH THAT VEHICLE.
UM, SO THEN, AND FOR THAT IT WOULD GENERALLY BE A, A CRIME OF
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VIOLENCE OR FELONIOUS TYPE, UH, TYPE OF CRIME.UM, BUT, UH, THE EASIEST PROBABLY TO, TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME WOULD BE A STOLEN VEHICLE.
SO YOU CALL IN AND SAY, HEY, MY VEHICLE WAS STOLEN FROM DOWNTOWN.
WE GO OUT, TRY TO LOCATE THE VEHICLE, CAN'T FIND IT.
UM, WE TAKE THE REPORT, WE ENTER IT INTO THE, UH, STOLEN VEHICLE SYSTEM, AND THEN AS PART OF THAT, IT WOULD ALSO BE ENTERED INTO, UH, THE HOT LIST.
SO IT WOULD STAY ON THAT LIST UNTIL THE VEHICLE'S RECOVERED.
UM, OR POTENTIALLY IF, UH, IT'S LOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE OR IN THE CITY, WE'D LOCATE THE VEHICLE BACK OR LOCATE IT, CONFIRM IT'S YOUR VEHICLE, SAME PLATE, AND THEN REMOVE THE VEHICLE FROM, FROM THE HOT LIST.
UM, IF, IF IT'S A SUSPECT VEHICLE, LET'S SAY A MURDER OCCURS IN CLOVERDALE, THEY TAKE A REPORT, DOCUMENT, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, AND THEN AGAIN, THEY ENTER THAT VEHICLE INTO A SYSTEM THAT INDICATES THAT THAT'S A, A FELONY VEHICLE THAT'S WANTED, UM, AND THAT VEHICLE WOULD END UP IN THE HOT LIST AND THE SAME PROCESS REALISTICALLY WOULD FOLLOW TO GET THAT VEHICLE OUT OF THE HOT LIST TO BASICALLY STAY ON THERE UNTIL IT DROPS OFF OR THE VEHICLE WOULD BE FOUND, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT DOES, BUT IT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ISN'T A DIRECT SUPERVISORY APPROVAL IN TERMS OF IF AN OFFICER'S LIKE, HEY, I'M GONNA ENTER THIS LICENSE PLATE INTO THE SYSTEM AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA END UP ON THE HOT LIST OF, OF COURSE, THERE IS, UH, ANYTIME THAT A REPORT IS TAKEN, UH, A REPORT GOES THROUGH, UH, MULTIPLE APPROVAL PHASES.
SO AN OFFICER DOESN'T JUST TAKE A REPORT AND MAKE, UH, AN OFFICER IS NOT AN ISLAND AND GET, GETS TO DECIDE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
UM, SO A REPORT IS TAKEN, UM, REGARDLESS OF SEVERITY, UH, IT GOES TO A SUPERVISOR FOR REVIEW AND THEN IT GOES TO RECORDS.
AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, AT ONE OF THOSE POINTS, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME AND EXIGENCY THAT, THAT PLA WOULD THEN FIND ITS WAY ONTO, UH, EITHER A, UM, THE HOT LIST OR EVEN BEFORE THAT TO A, UH, CRITICAL BROADCAST FOR OFFICER SAFETY, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF NATURE OF THE ISSUE BEING INVESTIGATED AND GETTING SOMETHING OFF THE HOT LIST.
HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? SO, SO THE SAME AS FAR AS, UH, WHEN THE VEHICLE'S RECOVERED, UH, THAT VEHICLE WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE STOLEN VEHICLE SYSTEM.
UM, IF A WANTED VEHICLE IS THAT WAS ENTERED IS LOCATED, THEN ONCE IT'S LOCATED, IT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE SYSTEM C.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY FOR, FOR US, THE WAY, AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE SAME VERNACULAR DEFINITION.
SO WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO THE HOT LIST, AT LEAST FOR OUR AGENCY AND OUR INTERPRETATION OF IT IS THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE BE, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE KNOW AS BEING A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR A NA, NATIONAL CRIME INCIDENT OR AN NCIC, UM, HIT.
SO IF YOU ENTER, AS, AS LIEUTENANT RIVERA IS INDICATING A STOLEN VEHICLE, A FELONY WARRANT PERSON, UH, MISSING PERSON, UM, UM, UM, LIKE AN AMBER ALERT VEHICLE OR A SILVER ALERT VEHICLE, UM, OR HE IS, HE'S, HE'S TALKING ABOUT A, A CRITICAL, UM, NOTIFICATION.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A FORM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUPERVISOR APPROVAL, OR WE HAVE A, A, A STOLEN VEHICLE REPORT THAT ALSO HAS A SUPERVISOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A LICENSE PLATE VERIFICATION THAT GOES INTO IT.
ALL THOSE THINGS THE OFFICER HAS TO DO, HAVE TO BE ENTERED, THEY HAVE TO BE SECONDED BY A DISPATCHER.
SO TWO DISPATCHERS HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENTERING THE VIN, THE LICENSE PLATE, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE FACTUALLY ACCURATE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA MAKE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT ENTERING THE LICENSE PLATE INACCURATE AND STOPPING THE WRONG VEHICLE.
THERE'S NORMALLY OFFICER SAFETY INFORMATION, UM, WEAPONS INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, IN THESE CASES THERE'S, THERE'S VERY, VERY HEIGHTENED LEVELS OF THINGS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT IF ANOTHER AGENCY IS STOPPING THIS PERSON OR THAT VEHICLE, THEY HAVE ALL THAT ESSENTIAL INFORMATION IN THERE.
AND SO THESE THINGS CAN BE, UM, OFTEN ARE NOT RELEVANT JUST TO AN LPR SYSTEM.
SOME OF THESE ARE A NATIONAL, UM, DATABASE SYSTEM THAT ARE GOING IN BECAUSE THESE MAY BE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WANTED FOR A HOMICIDE AND, AND ARE, UM, ELIGIBLE TO BE STOPPED AND DETAINED IN ANOTHER STATE.
AND SO THEY'RE BEING ENTERED INTO A NATIONAL WANTED PERSON SYSTEMS, UH, AS WELL.
SO, UM, THOSE THINGS MAY BE ENTERED INTO, UM, THE FLOCK SYSTEM INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY SUPERVISOR REVIEW FOR THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY UPON, UH, THE, THE COMPLETION OR THE LOCATION
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OR THE, THE CLEARANCE OF THAT WARRANT OR THAT, THAT RECOVERY OF THAT VEHICLE OR WHATNOT, THEN THAT GETS REMOVED AND CLEARED FROM THAT SYSTEM.SO DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN AND I, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT, THERE IS A LAYER WHERE WHEN VEHICLES ARE HOT HOTLIST, THAT THERE'S EMAIL, UM, THAT GO OUT TO SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS SO THAT WE CAN AUDIT, UH, THE NEED TO KNOW RIGHT, TO KNOW OF WHY A VEHICLE MAY BE ENTERED.
AND THAT COULD BE FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, IT COULD BE FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS, BUT THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEM IS USED APPROPRIATELY BY STAFF, UM, WELL BEYOND JUST THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT.
SO THERE, THERE ARE AUDIT FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE SYSTEMS. THANK YOU MUCH.
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE IS NO POINT AT WHICH THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE VEHICLE IS INFORMED THAT THAT VEHICLE IS ON A HOT LIST.
AND SO THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR A PERSON TO SAY, HEY, THIS I BOUGHT THIS VEHICLE, IT WASN'T MINE, OR, HEY, THIS DUE PROCESS, THIS CASE HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION KIND OF MORE DIRECTLY, UM, FLOCK OR APRS ARE A TOOL, UM, THAT BY NO MEANS IS, UM, MEANS GUILT MEANS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WAS A, A PRINCIPLE OR AN ACCESSORY TO A CRIME.
UM, THEY'RE TOOLS THAT GIVE US LEADS ON INVESTIGATIONS.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR AWARENESS, THERE'S JUST AS MANY PRIVATELY OWNED FLOCKS AS THERE ARE PUBLICLY OWNED FLOCKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN CITIES IN OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN TWO COUNTIES AWAY WHERE YOU CAN'T ENTER ANY PART OF THAT CITY WITHOUT YOUR VEHICLE BEING CAPTURED BY FLOCK BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE ALL PURCHASED FLOCKS.
SO FLOCK IS A SYSTEM THAT'S USED BY CALTRANS FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT, I SHOULD SAY LPRS, NOT FLOCK.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PURPOSES FOR A LPRS LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE IS REALLY AS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL TO FOLLOW UP AS YOU KNOW, TO FIND LEADS ON CERTAIN CRIMES.
UM, THEY'RE VERY USEFUL WHEN WE HAVE LIKE A HIT AND RUN VEHICLE COLLISION, BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A SUSPECT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A, A, YOU KNOW, MUCH INFORMATION ON THAT BECAUSE OF LOCATION AND TIME.
YOU GO BACK TO THE APRS THAT MAY HAVE GOVERNED THE, THE INGRESS AND INGRESS OF THAT AREA, YOU LOOK FOR A VEHICLE THAT MATCHED THAT DESCRIPTION.
THEN JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WE THEN HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO THE INVESTIGATION.
AND THAT CAN BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS LOOKING FOR VEHICLE DAMAGE THAT MATCH THE, THE INCIDENT LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE IN PARTICULAR PLACES AT THAT TIME AND WORKING BACKWARDS.
UM, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF SAFEGUARDING AN INVESTIGATION, NO, AN INDIVIDUAL IS NOT IDENTIFIED OR NOT NOTIFIED THAT THAT VEHICLE HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO A SYSTEM.
AND APRS ARE ALSO USED TO, UM, MARK VEHICLES THAT, UH, SHOULD BE IN THAT AREA.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, SAY YOU LIVE, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH HAVE TIME PARKING, BUT YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT, PEOPLE OFTEN FORGET TO PUT THEIR RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT IN THEIR WINDOW.
SO YOU CAN PUT THAT LICENSE PLATE IN THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT A LPR SOFTWARE SO THAT IT DOESN'T FLAG THAT VEHICLE AS A, AS A PARKING VIOLATION.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
UM, THE ONE THAT GETS THE MOST SCRUTINY IS, IS WHAT WE USE FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.
I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD SIMILARLY, UM, SOMEONE MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT THEIR VEHICLES ENTERED INTO AN LPR SYSTEM, BUT THEY MAY NOT KNOW, UH, THAT THEIR, YOUR VEHICLES REPORTED IN A STOLEN VEHICLE SYSTEM OR IN A WARRANT DATABASE SYSTEM.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THE CASE THAT I FIRST SHARED ON THE VEHICLE THAT WAS ENTERED INTO THE LPR SYSTEM OUT OF OAKLAND, THE WAY IT WAS DISPATCHED TO OUR TEAM WAS, HEY, THERE'S AN LPR HIT OUT OF OAKLAND.
UH, IT'S FOR THE VEHICLE ONLY.
THERE IS NOT A WARRANT FOR THE DRIVER AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS WHAT, IT'S A FELONY WANTED VEHICLE ONLY FOR THIS VIOLATION.
SO WE GET THAT CONTEXT AND I THINK THE, UM, WE GET THAT CURRENTLY ON EVEN STOLEN VEHICLES SOMETIMES, OR LOST AND STOLEN PLATES, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAYBE STOP THE VEHICLE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE DRIVER, UM, IS NECESSARILY RESPONSIBLE.
WE GET IT A LOT IN RENTAL CARS WHERE THE DRIVER MAY NOT BE THE PERSON THAT RENTED THE CAR, BUT THE CAR'S BEEN STO REPORTED STOLEN, OR THE RENTAL AGENCY SCREWED UP AND REPORTED IT STOLEN AND ACTUALLY RENTED IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
SO WE HAVE, THERE'S ACTUALLY CASE LAW NOW THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, ADAPT TO THE OCCUPANTS IN THE CAR.
AND, UH, I KNOW OUR IPA IS ON THE CALL AND CAN SPEAK MAYBE ANECDOTALLY, WE'VE HAD SOME CASES THAT WE'VE REVIEWED WITH THEM ON HOW
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WE HAVE TO INTERACT TO THE OCCUPANTS.UM, WE'VE SEEN OCCUPANTS OUTWARDLY COME OUT OF A CAR THAT WAS CLEARLY REPORTED STOLEN AND BE LIKE, I HAVE NO IDEA.
AND WHEN I STARTED MY CAREER, UM, YOU WERE TRAINED THAT THAT DIDN'T MATTER.
YOU WERE GETTING HANDCUFFED AND STUFFED IN THE BACKSEAT OF THE CAR AT GUNPOINT.
THAT IS NOT HOW WE RESPOND ANYMORE.
NOW IT'S, YOU KIND OF REALIZE, WOW, THIS PERSON CLEARLY PROBABLY DOESN'T KNOW.
YOU TRY TO DEESCALATE, YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GAUGE THE CONDITIONS.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU LOOK AT WHO THEY ARE.
THIS PERSON'S MAYBE ELDERLY, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, TRY TO REALLY TRIAGE THE SYSTEM OR THE, THE, THE CALL VERY, VERY DIFFERENTLY.
UM, MAYBE, MAYBE ASK THEM FOR PAPERWORK OR FIGURE, FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, SO WE, WE HANDLED THOSE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DID 20 YEARS AGO.
AND, AND TO YOUR, I THINK I, I'M JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT.
LIKE, WE HAVE A DUTY AND A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO MAKE THIS ASSUMPTION.
LIKE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AN LPR HIT OR ONE, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AN LPR RECORDING DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S ANYTHING NECESSARILY IN THERE.
UM, TWO, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A LPR HIT THAT SAYS THERE'S SOMETHING, IT COULD BE A LOST PLATE, IT COULD BE A STOLEN VEHICLE, IT COULD BE A MISSING PERSON, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS.
YOU STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION'S ACCURATE AND ACTIONABLE AND CURRENT.
UM, AND THEN IF IT IS, THEN GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE AND LAWFUL STEPS FROM THERE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO VERIFY THOSE THINGS AND THEN TAKE THOSE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS.
SO, UM, IT'S ON US AND INCUMBENT THAT WE DO THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR ACTIONS ARE ALWAYS REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE AND LAWFUL AT ALL TIMES.
CHIEF, IF, IF I MAY, UH, I THINK YOU ASKED ME TO, TO OPINE ON THIS OR AT LEAST ADD SOME COLOR.
I THINK THE MAJOR POINT IS, UH, THAT LPR CAN PROVIDE, UM, LEADS, INVESTIGATIVE LEADS WHICH NEED TO BE FOLLOWED AND FOLLOWED IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
AND, UH, THE OTHER POINT THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE ARE, UM, AUDIT TRAILS OF THE USE OF THE, UH, A LPR SYSTEM.
AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, UH, PERIODIC AUDITS WHICH ARE CONDUCTED.
IT IS NOT WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF SERVICES HERE IN, UH, PETALUMA AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
IT IS, UM, AND EVERY TIME THERE IS A QUERY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE SYSTEM, UH, THERE IS A NOTATION, UH, AS TO WHAT CASE THAT INQUIRY IS BEING, UH, MADE ABOUT.
SO IT'S NOT AS IF WE CAN JUST GO IN OR AN OFFICER CAN JUST GO IN AND DECIDE THAT, UH, HE WANTS TO KNOW WHERE HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS LAST NIGHT.
UH, AND THERE ARE PROPHYLACTICS IN PLACE THAT ARE MEANT TO GUARD AGAINST THAT KIND OF, UH, ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, HOPEFULLY THAT WAS HELPFUL.
IT WAS, I I'M JUST CURIOUS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOT LISTS AND CRIMES AND VEHICLES INVOLVED IN CRIMES.
I JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY, AND I I'M ASSUMING IT'S TRUE 'CAUSE IT CAME FROM, UH, LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CALL 'EM METER READERS ANYMORE, THE PEOPLE WHO DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT THAT NOW, THEY'RE NOT CHALKING VEHICLES ANYMORE, THEY'RE JUST RELYING ON THE CAMERAS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LIKE, NOW THESE THINGS ARE GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT LIKE ALL OF OUR CARS ALL OF THE TIME.
WHAT IS THIS STUFF BEING, UM, HELD ONTO FOR 30 DAYS? I MEAN, LIKE, THIS IS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE VERY BIG BROTHER-ISH THAT THERE'S THIS INCREDIBLE SURVEILLANCE THAT IS UBIQUITOUS THAT KIND OF, WE DON'T, WE ARE NOW, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, LIKE I, LIKE I'M, I WAS SHOCKED THAT THERE'S, THERE'S CAMERAS LIKE ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT COULD, CAN CHECK THE TIMING OF HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN PARKING AT A PLACE.
THAT, THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2011.
AND THAT WAS A VOTED BY COUNCIL IN 2011.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, UM, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
SO PARTIALLY, UM, THE CITY WAS DEALING WITH NUMEROUS CLAIMS OF WORKERS' COMP, UM, ISSUES FROM EMPLOYEES GETTING IN AND OUT OF VEHICLES, UM, FOR EVERY SINGLE CAR AND, AND, UM, ISSUES WITH TIRE CHALKING AND
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REPETITIVE MOTIONS AND, UM, ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.UM, SO WE WERE SEEING SOME, SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES AS WELL.
AS I MENTIONED THE, I I, I THINK IF I'M AGAIN RECALLING CORRECTLY, IT WAS THE FOURTH, FOURTH DISTRICT COURT THAT, UH, HAD, UH, A RULING THAT TIRE CHALKING WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH AND SEIZURE OF A VEHICLE.
UM, WHICH WAS, WE WERE WORRIED WAS GOING TO REQUIRE ALL VEHICLES TO BE LPR BECAUSE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WE DO MARK, UM, 72 HOUR PARKING, UM, ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'RE INTERMITTENTLY DOING, UM, UM, PARKING ENFORCEMENT, UM, WITH TIRE MARKINGS.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO DO LONGER TERM CHALKING, UM, FOR, FOR DURATIONS, UM, IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
SO WE WERE WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND AN LPR STRATEGY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UM, SO, BUT IF TALKING IS A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, WHAT SEEMS LIKE LPR R IS LIKE, OR EVEN MORE SO, LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COURT WAS RULING AT THAT TIME.
YEAH, SO I I I DON'T, YEAH, WE WERE IN THE SAME, WE, WE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT THAT WAS THE RULING.
IT'S NOW, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THAT'S A FOURTH DISTRICT AND WE'RE IN THE NINTH DISTRICT, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE HAVE AUTHORITY IN OUR AREA, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE CLEARLY WATCHING, UM, INTENTLY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE, THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, MANY PARKING GARAGES ARE MONITORED BY LPRS.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE TRACKING AND, AND YOU SCAN IN AND THAT'S HOW YOUR, YOUR BUILD FOR YOUR, YOUR PARKING PASS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNOLOGY'S GOING TO BE MORE PERVASIVE, MORE AND MORE.
UM, SO I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST A, A POLICING ENFORCEMENT, UM, TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF COMING TO MUNICIPALITIES IN, IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.
BUT YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, PARK, UH, PARKING ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN USING IT IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA SINCE AT LEAST 2011.
AND I BELIEVE LIKE THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE, I WAS IN THE CITY THIS WEEKEND, AND THE BRIDGE TAKES A PICTURE OF YOUR CAR IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE FAST TRACK, RIGHT? BUT THE THING IS, WHEN YOU GO INTO A PARKING GARAGE AND WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE, WHEN YOU GO INTO A A BUSINESS, THEY SAY YOU'RE BEING, YOU'RE ON CAMERA.
THERE'S A, LIKE A SOMETHING WHEN YOU PARK IN A PARKING SPACE.
LIKE, I MEAN, AGAIN, MAYBE I'M JUST NAIVE.
I, I JUST, I THINK, I THINK IT JUST GETS MESSY BECAUSE A PARKING STRUCTURE COULD, IT'S, COULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND SO, BUT I THINK I GET THE, THE MAJOR POINT YOU'RE MAKING, WHICH IS THAT IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? IF I'M GOING TO THE PETALUMA OUTLET, MALLS, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
IF THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO USE OUR SERVICES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THIS IS THE, YOU'RE OPTING INTO THE SURVEILLANCE THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN OUR PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO DETER, UM, SHOPLIFTING THAT I THINK WHERE IT BECOMES STICKIER FOR THE PUBLIC IS WHEN YOU'RE ON A PUBLIC ROAD, RIGHT, WHERE THIS CAMERA, WHERE YOU'RE NOT, YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO OPT OUT OF THAT.
YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, THEN I WON'T USE THAT PARKING STRUCTURE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE SURVEILLED, OR I WON'T USE THAT PRIVATE BUSINESS BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE SURVEILLED.
NOW YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, I HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO, LIKE, YEAH, I'M ON A PUBLIC ROAD THAT WAS PAID FOR WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS AND I HAVE NO WAY TO OPT OUT OF THAT LEVEL OF SURVEILLANCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GETS STICKY.
HOWEVER, I'M GONNA TRY AND ABUSE MY, WHATEVER AUTHORITY I HAVE AS CHAIR AND SORT OF MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS.
ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT MAYBE WE ADD THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT, 'CAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY A DEEP TOPIC THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN, AND WE COULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION AND WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT VIA QUICK VOICE VOTE, BECAUSE I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE SAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC AS WELL.
UM, MAY I JUST ALSO ADD, THERE WAS THREE GREAT, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT GOT SUBMITTED THAT WE ONLY GOT A COUPLE HOURS AGO, SO WE COULD READ THAT.
THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T RUN OUT OF TIME.
SO IT'S LIKE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR, UH, MAYBE ADD THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEXT? SO MR. CHAIR, MIGHT, I RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN IF WE, UM, DON'T FINISH WITH THIS TOPIC BY THE END OF THE MEETING, WE JUST CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT SO WE WOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST THEN YES, YES.
WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF YOU WANNA KEEP THE, OKAY, SO THERE WE GO.
UM, NO, WE WANNA KEEP THE LICENSE PLATE READERS ON THE NEXT MEETING.
DID YOU ALSO WANT TO ADD THE CHALKING OF TIRES OR PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON
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WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IN CASE THAT MAY INVITE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.I THINK WE WANT TO KEEP IT ON DRONES AND LICENSE PLATE READERS.
SO IT'S SORT OF A CONTINUATION OF THE SAME AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAD THIS WEEK FOR PURPOSES OF SORT OF CONTINUED PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I DO WANT TO GET TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY AS WELL.
I THINK YOU NEED A SECOND AND A VOICE VOTE.
IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THESE, I'LL SECOND IT THEN.
THEN AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTED ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY OVER THERE.
WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK THEY HAVE DONE ALREADY.
INVITE THE CLERK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY OR GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING, A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS.
THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS.
UH, ERIC LELAND, UH, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE MATERIALS FOR THIS ITEM WEREN'T PUBLISHED UNTIL VERY LATE.
SO MY PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I ASSUME THE OTHERS WERE, UM, UH, MAYBE A, A SKEW OF WHAT THE MATERIALS WERE.
SO IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU CAN PUT, PUBLISH THE MATERIALS EARLIER SO WE CAN ACTUALLY COMMENT BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, UH, SECONDLY, SINCE WE'RE CONTINUING THIS ITEM, UH, IF YOU WOULD, UH, PERHAPS PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING AND MAKE THOSE PART OF THE MATERIALS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG.
UM, THESE MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO COVER A LOT OF GROUND, SO WE COULD BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT THAT WAY.
UM, IF YOU ALL ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
UM, THIRD, UH, I, I TERMS AND CONDITIONS CAME UP, WHICH I WAS AMUSING, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THESE, THESE CAMERAS, SYSTEMS AND WORKFLOWS THAT PEOPLE USED IN ORDER TO, UM, INTERFACE WITH THESE CAMERA SYSTEMS ARE, ARE FLAWED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE 2011, WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT THREAT ENVIRONMENT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER REALLY IN OUR CONTROL, UM, WHO HAS ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION.
UM, I AND MY PUBLIC COMMENTER PROVIDED A JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW THESE SYSTEMS GET COMPROMISED.
THEY GET COMPROMISED BY, UM, UH, ACTORS, UH, UH, CONVINCING PEOPLE TO BREAK THEIR WORKFLOW.
THEY ALSO GET COMPROMISED TECH TECHNOLOGICALLY.
AND THIS IS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE, UH, VERY FREQUENTLY.
UH, WE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE OF A HOT LIST IS INTERESTING AS WELL, AND IT, AND IT TIES INTO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A SITUATION NOW WHERE, WHERE MORE AND MORE WE HAVE ARMED AND MASKED, UM, PEOPLE, UM, ABDUCTING CITIZENS AND, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, WE'RE NOT TRACKING THEM.
LIKE, I'M CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF GETTING AN ARMED AND MASSED, INTRU INTRUDER, UH, UH, ABDUCTOR FROM LET'S SAY LA WHERE THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING A LOT ONTO A HOT LIST SO THAT THAT POPS AND WE CAN SEE AS THE PUBLIC THAT THIS PERSON OR THESE PEOPLE ARE NOW PRESENT HERE.
RIGHT? UM, THIS GOES TO SAY WE NEED PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES.
IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE CAMERAS, I THINK WE NEED TO ADMIT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, THREAT ACTORS THAT HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
WE AREN'T GOING TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THOSE THREAT ACTORS.
WE'RE NOT LIKE, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO.
UM, SO WE'RE COLLECTING THIS DATA AND WE'RE MAKING PEOPLE VULNERABLE AS A RESULT OF DOING THAT ACTION.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE, UH, MUNICIPAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OF HAVING THESE TOOLS, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2011, AND WE NEED TO CATCH UP WITH THE TIMES.
UM, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE IMPORTANT.
UH, I RECOMMEND STRONGLY THAT YOU CONSIDER, UH, REMOVING THIS TECHNOLOGY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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IF THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, THEN NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
AGENDA IS ITEM, WHICH IS THE PS A ANNUAL REPORT COMMITTEE MEMBER INPUT.UM, I WANNA INTRODUCE THE PSAC ANNUAL REPORT COMMITTEE MEMBER INPUT PRESENTATION AND EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUOUS INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THE REPORT REFLECTS THE FULL SCOPE OF PS A'S WORK PRIORITIES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
UM, I WANNA CALL ON THE COMMITTEE MAYORS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND INPUT.
I'M SEEING A LOT OF BLANK FACES
THIS ITEM WAS LIKE, IT'S KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER AND WE CAN BRING THINGS UP IT AS NEEDED.
BUT REALLY THE, WE WERE PUSHED THE ANNUAL REPORT TO END OF 2026.
DID WE NOT? I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT SECTION THOUGH.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THE PSAC LONG RANGE CALENDAR IS USUALLY WHERE WE CAN SORT OF, AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS BRING UP.
NO, I, I THOUGHT THAT WE MOVED THE ANNUAL REPORT TO EACH YEAR.
YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS WE, WE'VE, WE'VE RETAINED THIS ON, ON THE AGENDA, SO IF ANYTHING COMES UP, IF THERE'S ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON ANYTHING FOR US TO, TO ADD OR, OR CAPTURE, UM, THAT WOULD BE WORTH SUBMISSION.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A RUNNING LOG.
WE'VE RECEIVED, I THINK ONE COMMENT FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER OB SETTLER, UM, FOR SUBMISSION INTO THE ANNUAL REPORT AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE ARE PLANNING IN JANUARY.
STAFF IS PREPARED TO, UM, DRAFT, UM, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE COMMITTEE'S REVIEW BASED ON THAT COMMENT AND SOME OTHER, UM, COMPREHENSIVE COMMENTARY, UM, AND, AND CIRCULATE THAT TO YOU.
AND THEN OUR INTENT IS, UH, FOR, FOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW TO REPORT OUT TO, TO, UM, THE COUNCIL AT THE, THE NEXT, UM, COUNCIL MEETING AS THE LIAISON TO THE COUNCIL ON, UM, THAT ANNUAL REPORTING AND WHAT THE, THE WORK OF THE, THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN OVER THE PAST YEAR IN HER REPORT OUT.
SO, UM, I THINK OUR INTENT IS JUST KEEPING THIS ON THERE AND IF THERE ARE THINGS, BUT IN ADDITION, THROUGH YOUR EMAIL, UM, DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN WILL WELCOME ANY, ANY SUBMISSIONS.
UM, BUT THIS IS OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU'LL NOTE, UM, IN OUR NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE A BREAK OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON UNTIL THAT JANUARY MEETING.
SO I DON'T HAVE LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK TWICE A DAY.
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? DO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER MEETING OR JUST, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER MEETING.
SO THE NEXT TIME WE MEET IS JANUARY.
THERE SHOULD BE AN EMAIL THAT YOU CAN EMAIL, UM, IF YOU HAVE SORT OF COMMENTS IF SORT OF LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO, NO, WE RE WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, UH, EXPLAINING THAT THERE'S NO MEETINGS UNTIL JANUARY.
AND, AND MAYBE I, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT'VE, I MIGHT'VE, UH, SKIPPED US TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO IF THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW ME MAYBE TO GO TO ITEM FOUR, UM, AND ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SKIP FORWARD TO ITEM FOUR.
SO, SO IF WE RECALL, WE LAST YEAR, WE, WE CANCELED THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER MEETINGS.
SO THE WAY THE CALENDAR FALLS AND THESE SCHEDULED OF THESE MEETINGS, THEY WOULD FALL ON THANKSGIVING AND THE CHRISTMAS WEEKS.
UM, AND SO WE FOUND THEM BOTH CHALLENGING FOR THE COMMITTEE AS WELL FOR CITY STAFF AND AVAILABILITY, UM, DURING THOSE TIMES AND QUORUMS, UM, AND QUORUMS. UM, SO, UM, IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITY COMMISSIONS AND, UM, COMMITTEES THAT ARE IN, IN, IN SESSION THAT WEEK.
SO WE TRIED TO REMAIN CONSISTENT THERE.
SO THERE IS UNFORTUNATELY A, A LONG BREAK, UM, DURING THAT PERIOD, BUT WE DO, WE DO HAVE THAT BREAK.
SO I ALSO WANTED TO, TO, UM, OFFER THAT I, I DIDN'T WANNA WEIGH IN, IN THE MIDST OF THAT EARLIER MOTION, BUT JUST OFFER THAT FOR CONSIDERATION WITH THAT LARGE BREAK, UM, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION AS WE COME BACK WITH THE PLAN TO, TO DISCUSS AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FOR, FOR BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, UH, IN JANUARY.
SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY SHIFT THAT BASED ON THE MOTION, UM, TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT THERE IS A PRETTY CONSIDERABLE BREAK ON, UM, WHEN WE DO RETURN TO, TO RECONVENE TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO LOOKING AT THE WHAT'S, UH, ON THE SCREEN, UM, IT WOULD TO ME MAKE SENSE THAT WE MOVE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND THE RECRUITMENT DISCUSSION TO FEBRUARY.
'CAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY.
AND THEN WE JUST CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US SOME TIME TO DISCUSS THE ANNUAL REPORT PIECE OF IT TOO.
BECAUSE WE'LL GET THE DRAFT IN JANUARY, SO THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME TIME TO SORT OF
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REVIEW THE DRAFT AS WELL.UM, CAN I ASK THAT THE STAFF, CITY STAFF, THE, YOU PUT TOGETHER, UM, WE KNOW WHAT PETALUMA DOES, BUT WHAT DO THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THE OTHER CITIES, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT PETALUMA BECAUSE WE'RE HERE NOW, BUT WHAT DOES SANTA ROSA DO? WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT WHAT'S THE, ARE YOU REFERRING REFERRING TO THE ANNUAL REPORT? UM, WELL, FOR THE NEXT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE, UM, CAMERAS AND WHAT THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO COMPARE THAT PETALUMA IS NOT THAT UNIQUE.
SO WHEN, WITH REGARDS TO ALPS OR, OR LICENSE PLATE READERS, WE ARE NOT UNIQUE AT ALL.
UM, I WOULD SAY WE ARE, UM, LESS IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE LESS PROGRESSIVE.
UM, WHEN YOU GO TO AREAS LIKE BENICIA AND VACAVILLE, THEY HAVE LPRS GOING INTO MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PURCHASED BY THE HOAS.
WHEN YOU GO TO SANTA ROSA, THEY HAVE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN WHERE THE, THE DATA WORKS WITH A CONSOLE SIMILAR TO AN A LPR FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT PARK DOWNTOWN.
SO YOU PUT YOUR LICENSE PLATE INTO A, UM, PARKING METER THAT'S A CITY OF SANTA ROSA, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARKING MANAGEMENT, IT GOES TO HANDHELDS, PARKING ENFORCEMENT GOES, AND IT BASICALLY TELLS WHICH VEHICLES HAVE NOT PAID OR HAS EXPIRED.
SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HOW PETALUMA UTILIZES APRS, WE ARE UTILIZING IT IN BEST PRACTICES, BUT, UM, WE'RE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL ON HOW WE DEPLOY IT, AND WE'RE DOING IT SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS THAT WE KNOW ARE HIGH CRIME FOR THE FOUR CAMERAS THAT WE, WE, UM, CURRENTLY OWN AND OPERATE.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHERS ARE BASED OFF OF WHAT SONOMA COUNTY AUTO THEFT TASK FORCE HAD BASED THEIR ANALYSIS ON.
SO WE USE INTELLIGENCE LED TO, TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY SAY THAT A LITTLE BIT STRONGER AND MORE, MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN THE DEPUTY CHIEF DID.
I, UM, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY WAY BEHIND OUR COUNTERPARTS.
I THINK SANTA ROSA PROBABLY HAS UPWARDS OF OVER 130, UM, LICENSE PLATE READERS.
MANY OF OUR COUNTERPARTS AND REGIONAL PARTNERS HAVE SHOT SPOTTER TECHNOLOGIES, SO THEY'RE LISTENING FOR AUDIBLE, UM, SHOOTINGS THAT DISPATCH, UM, OFFICERS TO THOSE AREAS.
THE OTHERS HAVE PAN TILT CAMERAS THAT ARE COORDINATED, SO THEY'RE MONITORING INTERSECTIONS ON TOP OF IT.
UM, SOME JURISDICTIONS, UM, HERE WITHIN 30 OR 40 MILES HAVE IT SO THAT YOU CAN'T ENTER A CITY WITHOUT BEING LOGGED IN OR OUT OF THEIR JURISDICTION AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
SO TO CHAIR MILLER'S POINT OF, TO CAPTURING AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME WHERE YOU ARE AT THE CITY, THERE'S NOT OPPORTUNITIES TO ENTER IN, UH, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT THAT HAS A LOT OF APPEAL TO KNOW THAT ANYONE COMING INTO YOUR JURISDICTION AND COMMITTING A CRIME AND LEAVING PRETTY EASY TO IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS FROM A STANDPOINT OF PRIVACY AND SAFETY AND CONFIDENTIALITY.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS THERE, BUT, UM, THERE ARE AGENCIES THAT ARE MUCH, STRONGLY, MUCH MORE STRONGLY POSITIONED.
UM, MANY JURISDICTIONS ARE MOVING AWAY FROM TRYING TO PUBLICLY USE FUNDS TO INVEST IN THESE AND TRYING TO LEVERAGE PUB PRIVATE INVESTMENTS, UM, WHERE, UM, HOAS AND BUSINESSES ARE INVESTING IN THESE.
AND, UH, THE MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I I THINK, AGAIN, WE HAVE FOUR CITY OWNED CAMERAS AND AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US BASED ON, AS THE DEPUTY CHIEF SAID, DATA-DRIVEN NECESSITY.
UM, BUT THE CITY IS MUCH LARGER THAN FOUR CAMERAS CAN, CAN DO.
BUT OUR, OUR, OUR PARTNERS IN THE AREAS HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, AND, AND DEFINITELY IN A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE, ARE, ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT MANY OF OUR ALLIED AGENCIES IN THE REGION ARE UTILIZING.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SORT OF, THERE'S MORE MEAT ON THIS BONE TO SORT OF TALK THROUGH BECAUSE I THINK I DIDN'T GET TO READ ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO YOUR POINT, UM, EVEN THOUGH, YES, I BELIEVE THAT SORT OF HOW OUR POLICIES ARE PROBABLY VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH SORT OF MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE SEBAS POOL MAY HAVE ADOPTED SOME POLICIES THAT WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE SORT OF SIMILAR TO OURS AND TATI IS ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT SOME ORDINANCES.
SO I THINK BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN ARE TRUE IN THAT WE COULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO SOME SIMILAR COMMITTEES AS OURS IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING, UM, MUNICIPALITIES AND MAY FIND THAT THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW AND ARE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW TO HELP THEIR CITY COUNCIL SORT OF ADOPT ORDINANCES
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AND LANGUAGES THAT SORT OF BETTER FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PUBLIC IS, IS LOOKING FOR.SO I AGREE, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS PROBABLY VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR OTHER CITIES AND LOCALES ARE ALSO SORT OF DEALING WITH A LOT OF THESE SAME ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE OF SEBASTOPOL HAVING LPR TECHNOLOGY WHATSOEVER, SO I KNOW THEY HAVE THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF THEM HAVING THE TECHNOLOGY.
SO, UM, TATI DOES HAVE LPRS, BUT UM, THEY'RE THE ONLY OTHER AGENCY THAT HAS THAT ORDINANCE IN THE COUNTY.
SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY FAST, SORRY, NICK, IS THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE IS NOT YOUR RIGHT.
SO UNDER A PRIVILEGE BY THE STATE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT, SO ANYTHING YOU DO ON THAT STREET, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED IS NECESSARY.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE, I THINK WE CLOSED THAT ITEM.
SO I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING OFF THAT TOPIC.
AND, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, WE'RE ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, SO I THINK STAFF HAS REFLECTED THE COMMENTS TO SHIFT, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERAS TO FEBRUARY WITH RECRUITMENT, CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE TO ENCAPSULATE SOME OF THIS COMMENTARY.
UM, AND, AND, UH, AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT ARE SOME OF OUR ALL AGENCIES DOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT THERE, UM, WHERE WE ARE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, IN A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT SOME OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE, THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, AS WE'VE PRESENTED OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT PERSPECTIVE, TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A FULL SERVICE CITY AND WHERE WE ARE COMPARATIVELY TO OUR ALLIED AGENCIES.
SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO, TO CONTRAST THAT.
UM, AND, AND THEN I'LL LEAVE IT TO THAT.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE PREPARED CHAIR MILLER FOR, UH, OUR ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
SORRY YOU GUYS, I KNOW THIS IS A, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT TODAY, SO, UM, I JUST WANNA ASK THE CLERK, HOW ARE WE DOING ON TIME? IT'S 7 24.
[IPA COMMENT]
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, AGENDA NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MONTHLY STATS CHART.I'D LIKE TO CALL ON THE INDEPENDENT PUBLIC AUDITOR TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY STATS.
INTRODUCE DENISE LEWIS AND JEFF SCHLANGER FROM INTER ASSURE ISU.
I JUST, UH, BEFORE DENISE GIVES YOU, UH, THE DETAILS ON THE STATS, JUST A COUPLE OF UPDATES.
UH, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE CONTINUING OUR DAY-TO-DAY WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN REVIEWING PURSUITS, USES, AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE AND COMPLAINTS.
WE ARE ALSO TRACKING THE ONE CRITICAL INCIDENT, UH, THAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE, UH, WE CAME ON BOARD, AND THAT'S THE FATAL TRAFFIC PURSUIT OF, UH, JULY 19TH.
WE'RE WORKING, UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT ON A POTENTIAL REFINEMENT OF PURSUIT POLICY AND A DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES AN OUT OF POLICY PURSUIT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING, UH, TOWARD AN EARLY WARNING, UH, SYSTEM, UH, TRYING TO REFINE, UH, THAT WHICH EXISTS NOW, AND, UH, TRY TO GET AS EARLY A, UH, READ ON, UH, POTENTIALLY AT RISK OFFICERS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, AND LASTLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION LAST MONTH RELATIVE TO THE JUMPING COMPLAINTS, WHICH WE DISCUSSED WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND AGREED THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD REPORT OUT ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW BEFORE YOU GET THE NUMBERS FROM THIS MONTH OR, UH, WAIT, OBVIOUSLY UP TO YOU FOLKS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY, MY PORTION OF OUR REPORT.
SO, UM, EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
SO WHY DON'T I RUN THROUGH THE STATS AND WHEN I GET TO COMPLAINTS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, LIEUTENANT AVIANO TO COVER THE COMPLAINT JUMP.
DOES THAT WORK? I HAVE NEW EARBUDS AND IT SOUNDS DIFFERENT TO ME, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO WITH REGARD TO USE OF FORCE, AND AGAIN, UH, JUST A REMINDER, THESE ARE, WERE IN OCTOBER, BUT WE'RE REPORTING ON SEPTEMBER NUMBERS.
THERE WERE 18 PENDING INCIDENTS, UM, THAT HADN'T BEEN PUSHED FOR REVIEW OR FULL, FULL REVIEW.
THERE WERE 10 NEW USES OF FORCE.
THERE WERE SIX REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, FORWARDED TO US FOR REVIEW.
AND OF THOSE WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW FIVE OF THEM.
THERE WERE NO ACAS, WHICH IS THE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION.
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SO ANY RECOMMENDED OR REMEDIAL ACTIONS THAT WE NEEDED THAT, THAT WEREN'T ALREADY TAKEN.UM, SO THERE WERE NONE NEEDED, NO ADDITIONAL WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS, THERE WERE EIGHT PENDING FROM THE PRIOR PERIOD.
FOUR NEW PURSUITS IN SEPTEMBER, THREE WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND THE THREE OF THOSE WERE REVIEWED BY US.
AND AGAIN, NO ADDITIONAL, UH, REMEDIAL, UM, MEASURES NEEDED ONTO COMPLAINTS.
THERE WERE 17 PENDING FROM THE PRIOR PERIOD.
SIX NEW COMPLAINTS IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND PUSHED TO US, AND WE REVIEWED THE ONE COMPLAINT.
SO, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LIEUTENANT LAVIANO NOW TO ADDRESS THE, THE NUMBER IN AUGUST WHEN IT WENT UP FROM THREE TO EIGHT.
SO THERE WAS A QUESTION, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, CHAIRMAN, UM, KEARNEY.
SO THERE WAS A JUMP FROM THREE TO EIGHT IN THE LAST, UH, MONTH IN TERMS OF COMPLAINTS.
SO IN LOOKING AT THAT, FOUR WERE EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS AND TWO OR UM, FOUR WERE INTERNAL COMPLAINTS.
SO WE HADN'T HAD MANY INTERNAL COMPLAINTS PRIOR TO THAT.
UH, THE INTERNAL CO UH, COMPLAINTS REC WERE ESSENTIALLY OBSERVED POLICY VIOLATIONS BY SUPERVISORS.
WHEN DENISE IS TALKING ABOUT THE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION, UM, EITHER THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR CALLS FOR SERVICE, THEY WERE ON, UH, THE SUPERVISORS WERE RECOGNIZING POLICY VIOLATIONS AT THE OFFICERS.
UH, TWO WERE RELATED TO ON-DUTY VEHICLE COLLISIONS, AND ONE WAS THE USE OF PROFANE LANGUAGE AND ONE WAS FOR A REPEATED, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, POLICY VIOLATION.
SO THAT COULD BE, UH, FAILURE TO HAVE THE CAMERA IN BUFFERING MODE, WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT PER PURSUANT TO POLICY OR A LATE ACTIVATION THEY'RE ACTIVATING LATE WHERE IT MAY MISS SOMETHING.
UM, LIKEWISE, IN SEPTEMBER WE HAD SIX COMPLAINTS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, CONSISTENT OR DOWN FROM, UH, THE THREE PREVIOUS YEARS IN THE SAME MONTH.
UH, 2023, WE HAD 10, 20, 24, WE HAD SEVEN.
SO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO INTERRUPT.
WE HAVE ABOUT ONE MINUTE LEFT IN THE MEETING.
WOULD YOU BE EXTENDING, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND FOR 10 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA.
I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION VOICE VOTE.
AND JEFF, IF YOU, UH, STILL HAVE ANYTHING LEFT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, NOTHING LEFT FOR US.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I TRIED TO SPEAK FAST, BUT I WAS TRYING TO CATCH IT BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S IT.
UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE, UM, MONTHLY STATS CHART? I DO.
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PENDING COMPLAINTS TO BE REVIEWED? LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REVIEWED ONE IN A MONTH.
WHY SO? IT, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING IN TERMS OF THERE'S A REVIEW REVIEW PROCESS.
SO EACH INCIDENT IS REVIEWED BY THE SUPERVISOR.
UM, THE WATCH COMMANDER, LIEUTENANT OVER OVERSEES THAT DIVISION MYSELF, AND THEN THE IPA.
SO OUT OF ALL THOSE INCIDENTS, THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, I CAN SAY PERSONALLY I'VE REVIEWED, UM, ALMOST ALL THOSE INCIDENTS IN ADVANCE.
UM, SO IF THERE WERE ANY GLARING ISSUES, I WOULD BE BRINGING THAT TO, UH, OUR, OUR BIWEEKLY IPA MEETINGS.
SO IF THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM HAVE BEEN REVIEWED ALREADY.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR JUST THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT, THEY'RE JUST SITTING IN A PILE SOMEWHERE, NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY'RE IN A, IT'S A PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE PROCESS.
UM, IN, IN MAJORITY OF INCIDENTS THERE'S HOURS OF VIDEO THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND THAT'S BEING REVIEWED AT MULTIPLE LEVELS.
SO, AND I'VE HAD THOSE SAME CONCERNS A FEW TIMES WHEN I'VE SEEN THE LIST AND HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS LIKE, WHY AREN'T THESE THINGS GETTING DONE? WE NEED TO GET THESE CLOSED OUT.
AND WE'VE HAVE A TRACKING SHEET THAT SHOWS EXACTLY AT WHAT LEVEL THEY'RE AT.
AND SO OFTENTIMES TO THE LIEUTENANT'S POINT, THERE'S A, UH, A CORRECTION OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET COMPLETED OR AN AN ADDITIONAL STEP OF FOLLOW UP, AND IT GOES BACK DOWN.
AND SO AS WE'RE WORKING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET, MAKING SURE THINGS ARE GETTING COMPLETED ACCURATELY AND AND COM AND, UH, THOROUGHLY, IT'S, IT'S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THE IPA'S INCLUDED.
AND THEY HAVE, AGAIN, COMPLETE ACCESS TO ALL THOSE, UM, ISSUES AND, AND, UH, DOCUMENTS AT THE ONSET.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM ON OUR, ON OUR MEETINGS WITH REGULARITY.
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NOTE.AND THAT'S, THAT'S PARTLY WHY WE ADDED THE COLUMN REVIEWED BY THE MANAGEMENT EXECUTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR, THAT, THAT THAT FINAL REVIEW IS WHEN IT COMES TO US.
BUT THE ONES IN PENDING, LIKE, UH, LIEUTENANTS EXPLAINED THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WEREN'T REVIEWED.
THEY, IT JUST MEANS THEY'RE IN THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD OBSERVATION.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE US TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM,
[STAFF COMMENT]
WHICH IS STAFF COMMENT.AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE CHIEF MILLER AND STAFF IF THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I, I, UM, THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR STAFF COMMENT, SO I KNOW, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALBERTI DEFINITELY HAS A COMMENT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S TIME THERE.
SO I'LL EITHER DEFER TO THE COMMITTEE TO START THEIR COMMENTS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME, SOME HERE TO, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DEFER IF YOU'D LIKE TO START, OR, MINE'S VERY FAST.
SO I'LL JUST DO IT AND LET YOU FINISH.
UM, THIS WILL BE MY LAST MEETING.
I'M GONNA BE MISSING A LOT OF THE NEXT, UH, YEAR, SO IT'S NOT FAIR NOT TO BE PRESENT.
YEAH, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE NOTIFIED THE CITY CLERK, UM, SHE'S ADVISING US OF WHAT THE PROCESS TO IDENTIFY A REPLACEMENT IS.
UM, IT'S KIND OF AN OPPORTUNE TIME WITH THE BREAK.
UM, SO WE WELCOME AS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THINK OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST REGARDLESS, UH, JUST LIKE IN THE POLICING SERVICE, RECRUITMENT'S, PERPETUAL, UM, SO THERE'S ALWAYS AN INTERVAL.
SAME WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, RIGHT? UM, SPREAD THE WORD.
WE WELCOME ANYONE THAT'S ENGAGED AND, AND WILLING AND HA HAS TIME AVAILABLE.
SO WE APPRECIATE, UM, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, VERDE, UH, BEING AN INAUGURAL MEMBER.
SO THANK YOU SIR FOR SERVING, AND UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR ENDING DATE WAS? WAS IT A TWO YEAR TERM? UH, NO.
WE DID LIKE ONE YEAR WE EXPANDED ONE MORE YEAR FOR THIS COMING JUNE, NO, I THINK FOUR YEARS.
SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO FINISH OUT HIS SIX MONTHS.
SO THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO FINISH OUT, RIGHT? YEAH, JUST MENTIONING THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE RECRUITING A FRIEND OR A COMMUNITY MEMBER, IT'S ONLY FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN THEY CAN, IF THEY LIKE IT, THEY CAN REAPPLY.
WELL, I JUST WANNA ECHO THE THANKS, UM, FOR BEING, UH, ONE OF THE INAUGURAL MEMBERS AND HELPING TO GET THIS COMMITTEE OFF TO SUCH A GREAT START.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT GETTING A YOUTH REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COMMITTEE, SO MAYBE AS WE'RE SORT OF THINKING ABOUT SORT OF HOW TO FILL THAT SEAT NEXT, MAYBE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVE FROM OUR YOUTH COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL.
I, I SPOKE AT TWO GOVERNMENT CLASSES TODAY AT PET LAMA HIGH, AND THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT HOW TO BE ON A CITY COMMITTEE.
AND I, THERE'S NO YOUTH COMMITTEE ANYMORE, BUT AS A SOPHOMORE I WAS ON A CITY COMMITTEE.
SO IT, IT DOES, IT'S, THEY'RE OUR FUTURE AND THEY REALLY, IT COULD BE LIKE A SOCIAL SERVICE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, GET THE CREDITS.
I DID IT FOR EXTRA CREDIT EXACTLY
UH, CHIEF MILLER, DID YOU HAVE OTHER STAFF COMMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? YEAH, I DO.
I DON'T, I, UNLESS, UH, THE COMMITTEE DOES.
SO I JUST HAD A FEW REPORT OUTS THAT I THINK ARE NOTABLE AND WORTH SHARING FOR, FOR YOU ALL AND FOR THE COMMUNITY OR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I HAD THE, THE PLEASURE OF BEING INVITED ALONG WITH THE MAYOR, UM, TO THE DI DE MUTOS, UH, OPENING CEREMONIES EARLIER IN THE MONTH.
UM, AND, AND GOT TO TO SPEAK BOTH IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, UM, AT THAT EVENT.
AND SO PART OF MY OPENING CEREMONY REMARKS, UH, THAT I THINK ARE RELEVANT TODAY, UM, WERE REALLY TO, TO THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND TO OUR LATINO COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT, UM, HOW WE SERVE AND WHAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT HERE ON A FEW OCCASIONS, UM, THAT AGAIN, I THINK ARE REALLY, REALLY RELEVANT BASED ON SOME OF THE CURRENT EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED, UH, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON THAT WILL LIKELY HAVE SOME IMPACTS ON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE SPOKE TO THAT.
WE SPOKE ABOUT COMMUNITY TRUST, WE SPOKE ABOUT HOW PETAL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE SERVED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT OUR FOCUS ARE AND, AND HOW WE WANT TO BE THERE FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO I APPRECIATED ABRAHAM SLAR AND CLAUDIA FOR, FOR WELCOMING ME AT THAT EVENT.
AND SO, UM, THAT WAS WONDERFUL TO BE A PART OF.
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UM, NEXT WEEK WE WILL BE, UM, WORKING THROUGH OUR ROTATION OF, OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS.AND THIS YEAR WE ARE AT, UH, ST.
VINCENT'S HIGH FOR OUR EVERY 15 MINUTES.
UM, DUI DISTRACTED DRIVING, IMPAIRED DRIVING PROGRAM, UM, YEARS PAST, WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SCHOOLS.
VINCENT'S HIGH SCHOOL, UM, ON THIS OCCASION, UH, WE AS YOU RECALL HAD AN EXTENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT E-BIKES LAST MONTH IN OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY PRESENTATION.
AND WE HAD OUR E-BIKE WORKSHOP WITH THE SEVENTH GRADE PETALUMA, JUNIOR HIGH PE CLASSES, ALL THE CLASSES.
UM, SO THE TRAFFIC TEAM WAS OUT THERE AT THE DIRECTION OF PRINCIPAL MCCLINTOCK AND TALKED ABOUT PROPER RIDING, ETIQUETTE, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WEARING THEIR HELMETS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A SIMILAR INSTRUCTION OVER AT KENNELWORTH HERE SOON AND PROBABLY ROLLING THAT OUT, UH, TO SOME OTHER SCHOOLS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE DID A RECENT TRAINING WITH OUR SUPERVISORS ON CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND FIELD SUPERVISION, WHICH WE FOUND PRETTY IMPACTFUL.
AND THEN JUST RECENTLY OUR TRAINING COORDINATOR REMINDED US, UM, THAT WE HAVE REGULAR TRAININGS THAT COME THROUGH POST, BUT JUST HAPPENS TO BE OUR REQUIRED FIVE YEAR, UM, INTERVAL FOR OUR RACIAL BIAS AND PROFILING TRAINING THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR ALL OF OUR SWORN UM, PERSONNEL.
SO THAT JUST CAME OUT JUST THIS WEEK THAT I THINK IS TIMELY AND NOTABLE.
SO THAT SUPPLEMENTS ALL OF OUR ONGOING AND INTERNAL TRAINING THAT WE DO.
AND THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY DIRECTLY FROM PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS AND TRAINING.
SO WE'LL BE COMPLETING THAT HERE IN THE NEAR THE NEAR, UH, FUTURE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
SO THOSE ARE MY REMARKS, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND I THINK, UH, A LOT OF THINGS, UM, ARE CURRENTLY PROBABLY IN FLUX WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF UN UNREST AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO, UM, RECEIVED, UM, SOME ACCOLADES THAT I'D BE REMISS IN NOT MENTIONING, BUT OUR STAFF REALLY ROSE TO THE OCCASION.
OUR COMMUNITY ROSE TO THE OCCASION.
I WAS REALLY PROUD OF BOTH MY TEAM AND THE COMMUNITY FOR, UM, THEIR, THEIR, UM, DECORUM AND BEHAVIORS AND PROFESSIONALISM AND JUST COMMUNITY, UM, CONNECTION THIS PAST WEEKEND IN DEMONSTRATING THEIR, THEIR FREE SPEECH AND THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO PUBLICLY SHOW DISCOURSE AND, UH, THEIR, THEIR OPINIONS AND, AND SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO WE HAD A COMMUNITY DEMONSTRATION DOWNTOWN WITH I THINK 4,000 PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THE COMMUNITY, UM, EXERCISE THAT PEACEFULLY AND LAWFULLY TO THE, WELL, TO SOME DEGREE LAWFULLY.
WE STILL HAD SOME TRAFFIC CON CONTROL ISSUES, BUT, UM, NO ISSUES THAT WERE UNTENABLE OR UNMANAGEABLE FOR MY TEAM AND WE NAVIGATED THOSE QUICKLY.
UM, MOST OF MY TEAM HERE TODAY WAS, WAS THE PRESENT ENGAGED.
UM, WE DID UTILIZE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE PRESENTED ON TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS WERE NAVIGATED APPROPRIATELY AS WE MANAGED A, A, A MASS, UM, CROWD KIND OF CONTROL, UM, TRAFFIC, UM, LARGE SCALE EVENT.
SO, UM, BUT NONETHELESS, THOSE THINGS WERE MANAGED APPROPRIATELY AND, UH, REASONABLY AND, AND WELL DONE.
AND SO THE COMMUNITY REALLY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
AND, AND I'M ALWAYS AN ANXIOUS POLICE CHIEF UNTIL THOSE EVENTS ARE OVER AND I'M GLAD THAT ONE'S IN THE BOOK.
UM, BEFORE I CLOSE, I JUST WANNA REMIND AGAIN FOR THE COMMITTEE, UM, PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GET THAT IN.
UM, AND ALSO I BELIEVE I SAW AN EMAIL ABOUT SOME COMPLIANCE TRAINING THAT MIGHT BE COMING UP DUE SOON.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN YOUR EMAIL, DEFINITELY CHECK IT OUT, UH, BECAUSE WE GET TO GET THAT FINISHED.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:41 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE.