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           RECORDING 
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IN PROGRESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS WAIT TO HEAR. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING, 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025. 
          UH, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE BRING, FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND BRING IT TO OUR CLERK WHO IS IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. 
          AND, UM, NOW, UH, TRADITIONALLY I, AND, AND TONIGHT I WILL INVITE MONICA RICCIO AND MARIANA OLA TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. 
          BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN WITH THEM, I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO A NEW TRANSLATION SERVICE FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          AND THE NEW SYSTEM WORDLY IS AN AI POWERED INTERPRETATION TOOL THAT WILL EXPAND THE AVAIL ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR TRANSLATIONS, AS WELL AS EXPAND THE NUMBER OF LANGUAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, AND TO ACCESS THE TRANSLATIONS ONLINE VIA ZOOM. 
          PLEASE USE THE LINK IN THE CHAT AND TO, UH, ACCESS THE TRANSLATION IN THE ROOM. 
          YOU CAN SCAN THE QR CODE THAT'S ON SEVERAL WALLS AND LOCATIONS IN THE ROOM. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN I ALSO WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT PAUSE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO OUR WONDERFUL INTERPRETERS, MARIA AND MONICA, AND MARIANA AND MARTIN, FOR THEIR SERVICES THROUGH THE YEARS WE'VE HAD THEM WITH US. 
          AND I HAVE A BIT OF A PROCLAMATION. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW THIS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE LISTENING ONLINE, BUT, AND IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND SINCERE APPRECIATION AND GRATITUDE TO OUR LONGTIME SPANISH LANGUAGE INTERPRETERS, MARIA GALVEZ, MONICA APIO, UH, MARTIN RIVER AND MARIANA RIVERA. 
          AND WHEREAS THEIR PROFESSIONALISM, RELIABILITY, AND ACCURACY HAVE ENSURED THAT SPANISH SPEAKING RESIDENTS CAN FULLY PARTICIPATE IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HELPING MAKE OUR PROCESSES MORE INCLUSIVE, TRANSPARENT, AND WELCOMING. 
          AND WHEREAS THEIR WORK HAS ENABLED COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO FOLLOW COMPLEX AGENDAS AND UNDERSTAND IMPORTANT POLICY DISCUSSIONS AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND THAT ACCESS IS ESSENTIAL TO MEANINGFUL CIVIL CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, AND THEIR COMMITMENT HAS MADE A REAL DIFFERENCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, COUNCIL AND STAFF. 
          SO NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY EXTEND OUR APPRECIATION AND GRATITUDE FOR THE YEARS OF PARTNERSHIP AND SERVICE PROVIDED BY MONICA MARIA, MARTIN AND MARIANA. 
          SO, THANK YOU TO YOU, UH, WHERE YOU ARE BACK IN ZOOM. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THEY WILL, OF COURSE, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO, UM, OUR OTHER COMMITTEES, THE PARK AND REC COMMISSION ESPECIALLY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR WORK WITH YOU. 
          AND WITH THAT, CAN YOU COME IN NOW WITH THE SPANISH MESSAGE, PLEASE? THANK YOU, MR. MAREN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING, PLEASE? BARNACLE PRESENT CATER THOMPSON. 
          PRESENT DI CARLY HERE NOW. 
          HERE. 
          QUINT. 
          HERE RES HERE, MCDONALD HERE. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE, AT THIS POINT, UM, I'D LIKE TO LOOK UP AND 
          [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)]
DOWN THE DAAS AND SEE IF ANYONE PROPOSES ANY CHANGES FROM WHAT WE HAVE AS AGENDA TONIGHT, AND NOT SEEING ANY, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED 
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AS, AS PUBLISHED. 
          AND, UM, TO 
          [PROCLAMATIONS]
START OUR MEETING, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROCLAMATIONS HERE. 
          IT'S A GOOD DAY. 
          SO OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION IS FOR NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. 
          AND TO HELP US WITH THIS, WE HAVE THE FEDERATED INDIANS GREAT RANCHER, RANCHERIA TRIBAL COUNCIL TREASURER, JOAN HARPER, AND A TRIBAL COUNCIL MEMBER AT LARGE, LAWRENCE STAFFORD TO, UH, ACCEPT TONIGHT. 
          YOU CAN JOIN US AT THE PODIUM, WHICH READS, WHEREAS THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT, GREAT RANCHERIA, FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBE IS COMPRISED OF SOUTHERN POMO AND COAST MINOK PEOPLE. 
          AND THE LANDS NOW OCCUPIED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA ARE THE ANCESTRAL LANDS OF THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GR GREAT RANCHERIA. 
          WHEREAS THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY ACKNOWLEDGES THE SOUTHERN POMO AND COAST MINOK TRIBAL HISTORIES AND CULTURE, CONTEMPORARY ISSUES, AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCH AREA TO SONOMA COUNTY. 
          IT'S VITAL TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRIBES ORIGINS AND RICH HERITAGE. 
          AND WHEREAS THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCH AREA MAINTAIN A HARMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ECOLOGY OF THIS AREA, INCLUDING KNOWLEDGEABLE AND RESPECTFUL HARVESTING OF ANIMALS AND PLANTS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE TRADITIONAL CULTURE AND ECOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCH AREA HOLD IMPORTANT VALUE FOR ALL OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY WILL BENEFIT FROM MORE ACTIVE AND VISIBLE INPUT OF THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCH AREA. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, 2025 SHALL BE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH TO HONOR THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCHERIA. 
          AND THE CITY COUNCIL ENCOURAGES BUSINESS OWNERS, EDUCATORS, ARTISTS, AND ALL OUR CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN MAKING NOVEMBER AN OCCASION FOR JOY, LEARNING, COLLABORATION, AND PROSPERITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL DO ONE WITH YOU, AND ONE THANK YOU, . 
          ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE TRIBAL COUNCIL, WE WISH TO ACCEPT, WE ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALSO, TONIGHT THE PRO. 
          WE HAVE A PROCLAMATIONS FOR OUR VETERANS DAY, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE JOE NOEL, VETERAN AND, UH, HISTORY CONNECTION, PRESIDENT AND BOARD MEMBER TO BOTH THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS AND AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS TO THE PODIUM TO ACCEPT AND IT READS, WHEREAS THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND SACRIFICES OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES HAVE BEEN VITAL IN MAINTAINING OUR FREEDOM AND WAY OF LIFE. 
          AND WHEREAS TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PAST CENTURY, AND WHEREAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES WHILE SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES DURING THE PAST CENTURY. 
          AND WHEREAS OUR VETERANS ARE BRAVE, SELFLESS INDIVIDUALS WHO, WHEN JUDY CALLED WILLINGLY PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO DEFEND THE LIVES AND LIBERTY OF OTHERS. 
          AND WHEREAS THEIR ABIDING PATRIOTISM AND ENDURING DEVOTION TO THE IDEALS ON WHICH THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED CAN NEVER FAIL TO INSPIRE US. 
          AND WHEREAS ALL THE PETALUMA MUST STRIVE TO ENSURE THAT OURS REMAINS A LAND WORTHY OF THE GREAT LOVE OUR VETERANS HAVE SHOWN FOR IT. 
          NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 11TH, 2025 AS VETERANS DAY, AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND HONOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR VETERANS TO THE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY, INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, A BIG THANK TO YOU. 
          I MEAN, I'M ALWAYS GET SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR, UM, WHEN WE CAN REALLY DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR OUR VETERANS AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR DISTINGUISHED CITY COUNCIL, OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY MANAGER, I MEAN, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC WORKS. 
          I MEAN, WE COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY AND CITY STAFF. 
          SO, UH, A BIG THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THEY TAKE THE PARADE FOR GRANTED, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SUCH A SPECIAL THING. 
          AND WE'RE USED TO SEEING EACH YEAR THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND 
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THE PARADE. 
          AND IT'S HUGE, RIGHT? WE'RE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE BAY AREA, BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY. 
          IT WAS REALLY THE DEDICATION OF THREE WORLD WAR I VETERANS, UH, BACK IN THE SIXTIES. 
          THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN IDEALS OF PATRIOTISM, AND VIRTUALLY JUST WALKED THE STREETS THEMSELVES. 
          UH, THE MAIN FOUNDER, HE PASSED AWAY. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE PASSED AWAY, UH, AND IT WAS JUST ONE SOLO PERSON WALKING THE PARADE ROUTE AND, UM, PICKED UP STEAM IN THE EIGHTIES AND PRETTY MUCH BECAME THE WONDERFUL PARADE WE HAVE TODAY, UH, THIS YEAR FOR 2025. 
          WE'RE HONORING MILITARY WOMEN. 
          UH, SO IT'S, UH, AN ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT PARADE. 
          UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT, BUT OVER 2.1 MILLION WOMEN SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES, AND THEY'VE BEEN SERVING SINCE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN SOME CAPACITY. 
          UH, WE'RE HONORED TO HAVE OUR GRAND MARSHALS, THE REDWOOD EMPIRE MILITARY WOMEN UNIT 77. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS HERE TODAY ALONG WITH A FEW OTHER VETERANS, IF I COULD ASK THEM TO STAND VETERANS. 
          WE DO THIS FOR THESE PEOPLE AND TO THANK THEM FOR OUR FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE FOR TODAY. 
          UH, HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PARADE THIS YEAR. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON. 
          I THINK OUR OLDEST VETERAN, UH, WORLD WAR II VETERAN, HE WAS ON OMAHA BEACH. 
          HE'LL BE RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME FLYOVERS AND, UH, PICKING UP SOMETHING WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET GREAT SUPPORT FROM OUR LOCAL COAST GUARD BASE. 
          AND, UH, WE DID A SWEARING IN LAST YEAR, AND THEY'RE DOING AGAIN WITH NEW RECRUITS, UH, BEGINNING OF THE PARADE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE PARLIAMENT MUSEUM. 
          SO, THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PARADE AND THE VETERANS, AND ACCEPT THIS WITH PRIDE. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S A GREAT LEAD INTO, UM, OUR, OUR BUSINESS PART OF THE MEETING HERE. 
          AND WE HAVE A PRES 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
PRESENTATION TO START US OFF, UH, ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE BRIAN O, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND NANCY SANDS, SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST UP TO, UH, HELP US OUT WITH THIS ITEM. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL COMMUNITY. 
          BRIAN O COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          JOINED HERE TONIGHT BY NANCY SANDS, OUR SENIOR ANALYST WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          LET'S GET THIS GOING. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR WORK. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY COUNCIL GOALS THAT WE, UM, HAD A REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSION DURING THE, THE MOST RECENT GOALS AND PRIORITIES SETTING. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE LOOK, UH, IT'S THE LENS WE USE, UM, IN MUCH OF OUR PRACTICE WITHIN COMMUTE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND WE HAVE ROOM TO GROW. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL ONCE I CAN GET THIS MOVING, UM, TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU, UM, AN EARLY PREVIEW, UM, AS WE HEAD INTO, UM, THE WINTER HOLIDAYS, UH, WITH RETAIL AND, UM, AND SPENDING, UM, UH, TOP OF MIND. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REVISIT SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE SET AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, AND SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE LOOKED AT, UH, A SET OF, UH, NOT JUST GOALS, BUT POLICIES AND PROGRAMS WITH THE FOCUS ON, UM, CREATING A ROBUST, VIBRANT ECONOMY, UH, FOR ALL HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST, UM, JUST A BRIEF, UM, SYNOPSIS OF THAT. 
          EVERYTHING FROM A STRONG ECONOMY, ENSURING THAT THE ECONOMY WORKS FOR EVERYONE. 
          HOW IS IT EQUITABLE? UM, ACROSS THE, UM, OUR POPULATION HERE IN PETALUMA, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A REALLY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT FINANCING AND HOW THINGS, UH, HOW INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW, UM, OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES ARE PAID FOR. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO A, UH, VIBRANT, UH, DESTINATION. 
          THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE, UM, WE HAVE A POINT OF PRIDE. 
          UM, WE JUST, UM, HEARD ABOUT, UH, ONE OF THE MANY PARADES, UM, ONE OF THE MANY WAYS THAT WE, UH, GET TO, UM, SHOWCASE, UH, WHAT PETALUMA'S ABOUT. 
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UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THE THEME OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND THROUGHOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WORK THAT WE'LL DO, UM, AS A CITY. 
          UM, AND, UM, IN CLOSING, JUST, UH, HOW CRITICAL IT IS, UH, THAT WE SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO WITH THE TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT, WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE 1 0 1, UM, HOW THAT IS STARTING TO, UM, IMPACT, UM, THE WAY OUR REGIONAL, UM, ECONOMY FUNCTIONS HERE IN TOWN, UM, AS WELL AS NEW BUSINESSES. 
          SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES, UH, THAT WE'VE SUPPORTED, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TODAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE EARLY SUCCESSES. 
          SO HOW PETALUMA CAN SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT IT'S, IT BEARS REPEATING. 
          UM, WE CAN'T DO IT ALL, UM, ON OUR OWN. 
          UH, IT'S VERY MUCH A THREE LEGGED STOOL. 
          UH, WE HAVE OUR CITY, UM, RESOURCES. 
          UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP, STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS. 
          UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A ROBUST AND VIBRANT ECONOMY, UM, IT, ALL THOSE PIECES, UH, NEED TO WORK. 
          AND SO, UH, THERE'S A FEW WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, CONTRIBUTE, UM, WHERE WE LEAD IN THIS AREA WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THAT CONTROL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THROUGH OUR LAND USE AND ZONING. 
          AND SO WE'VE SPENT THE BETTER PART, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WHEN WE STARTED IN 2021 WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT. 
          UM, WE ARE GETTING CLOSE. 
          WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR AWAY FROM UPDATING OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, WE'VE KICKED OFF WITH PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER IN OCTOBER, UM, LOOKING AT OUR ZONING CODE. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS A KEY WAY FOR US TO, UM, PROVIDE THE SUPPORT, PROVIDE THE LEADERSHIP AROUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS HOW WE USE OUR BETTER UTILIZE OUR LAND, UM, THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THAT SETS THE FOUNDATION. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT IS THE PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          HOW DO WE GET BUSINESSES THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AS QUICKLY, UM, AND DILIGENTLY AS POSSIBLE? UM, AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT. 
          UM, I MENTIONED FINANCING AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, I GOT MY START, UM, RIGHT IN 2012 AS AN INTERN COMING OUTTA SCHOOL. 
          UM, AND I STARTED TO WORK FOR A REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY DOWN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          MANY OF THOSE TOOLS THAT, UM, I THOUGHT WE HAD, UM, AS I SAT OUT AND GRADUATED, ARE NO LONGER AT THE DISPOSAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, REDEVELOPMENT 2.0. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE TOOLS? WHAT ARE THOSE LEVERS? UM, ENHANCED INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING DISTRICT, EIFD FOR SHORT, UM, TAX INCREMENT FINANCING. 
          UM, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY WILL NEED TO, UM, REALLY DIG DEEP, REALLY UNDERSTAND, REALLY, UM, SEE THE VALUE AND SEE HOW, UH, THESE FINANCING TOOLS CAN WORK FOR PETALUMA. 
          UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE KEEPING A, AN EYE ON AT THE STATE LEVEL AS PROP FOUR, UH, CLIMATE BOND. 
          THERE'S THIS, UH, INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY THERE, UH, AS LEADERS, UM, IN THE STATE ON, UM, ALL THINGS CARBON, UM, AND CARBON REDUCTION, BEATING OUR CARBON GOALS. 
          UH, THE STATE IS ALSO, UH, PUTTING FORTH, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, UM, INCENTIVES AND FINANCING, UH, SO THAT THE CITY CAN ACCOMPLISH, UM, ITS OWN GOALS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO CLIMATE. 
          UM, AND WHAT STARTED OUR GENERAL PLAN PROCESS OFF, AND WHAT WE HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO BUSINESSES, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE PERSPECTIVE OR ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO RETAIN AND GROW, IS HOUSING. 
          HOW DO WE KEEP, UM, AND PROVIDE AND CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING FOR THE EMPLOYEES? UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE KEY THEME THAT COMES UP EVERY TIME, EVEN IF WE DON'T ENTER A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING. 
          UM, IT COMES PART AND PARCEL WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC, UH, SUSTAINABILITY, COALITION BUILDING AND BUSINESS PARTNERSHIPS. 
          PETALUMA, WE HAVE, UM, SO MUCH HUMAN CAPITAL, SOCIAL CAPITAL. 
          UM, THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON ANY GIVEN TOPIC, A NUMBER OF, UM, BUSINESSES, A NUMBER OF GROUPS WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE. 
          UM, AND SO ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THAT IS HOW DO WE BUILD THAT COALITION? HOW DO WE BRING, UM, YOU KNOW, A REALLY FOCUSED, 
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UH, ATTENTION ON DOWNTOWN THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP OF NOT JUST PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESSES THAT I MENTIONED, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND ALL THE, UM, RESOURCES THAT COME WITH A STRONG BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP, EMERGING THREAT, UH, THEMES. 
          UM, THE AMAZON PRIME EFFECT, I THINK, UM, PROBABLY SIX MONTHS, UH, MYSELF, UH, PERSONALLY NOT RELYING ON AMAZON. 
          UM, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A BIG SHIFT, UM, A BIG BEHAVIORAL SHIFT, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING HOW THAT'S IMPACTING THE CONSUMER. 
          WE'RE ALSO SEEING HOW THAT'S IMPACTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          UM, AND THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY SEEING AS BEING SUCCESSFUL AND REALLY BEING CREATIVE IS CREATING THESE NEW RETAIL EXPERIENCES. 
          SO YOUR TRADITIONAL BRICK AND MORTAR, UH, WHETHER IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, UH, A BANK, ET CETERA. 
          UM, THOSE WE'RE SEEING LESS OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE NEW BUSINESSES. 
          UM, THERE'S AN EXPERIENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT. 
          ART PLAY CAFE COMES TO MIND. 
          THAT'S THE RETENANTING, UM, OF THE ROARING FORMER ROARING DONKEY, UH, BUSINESS ON KENTUCKY. 
          VERY EXPERIENTIAL. 
          THERE'S A RETAIL COMPONENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO PLAY-BASED COMPONENT. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO NEW BUSINESSES, UM, ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO EXPAND THEIR, UM, CURRENT OFFERINGS, THAT'S THE THING THAT KEEPS COMING UP. 
          HOW DO WE MAKE IT INTERESTING? HOW DO WE, UM, MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S ATTRACTIVE, UH, FOR THE CURRENT CONSUMER? UM, WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, UM, A REALLY FOCUSED CONVERSATION ON SALES AND TRANSIT OCCUPANCY TAX, UM, AS WE'RE STARTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MONITOR THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR FROM OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, JUST ABOUT SALES. 
          HOW DO WE GENERATE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC? HOW DO WE GENERATE MORE COMMERCE? AND SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY CRITICAL COMPONENT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, NOT JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, BUT ALSO, UM, AN OVERALL BUDGET STRATEGY FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, AND THE ONES THAT ARE BEING SUCCESSFUL, THE ONES THAT WE ARE, UM, SEEING OPEN UP SHOP, UM, THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW WE'RE PERMITTING THEM. 
          SO, UH, AN EXAMPLE IS THE BANK OF AMERICA, FORMER BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING. 
          IT FORTUNATELY DIDN'T STAY EMPTY FOR VERY LONG. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE, WORK WITH THE PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS THAT WANTED TO COME TO TOWN AND, AND BRING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, SPORTS SOCIETY. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD BEEN WORKING WITH EXCHANGE BANK, UM, AS THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A PRESENCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO GETTING THAT COMPLETE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S THAT LEVEL OF CREATIVITY. 
          IT'S THAT LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THRIVING SUCCESSFUL PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT POINTS TO, UM, HOW DO WE ADAPTIVELY REUSE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS? UM, THE TYLER BUILDING IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 
          UM, IT WAS HISTORICALLY RETAIL. 
          UM, WE'RE GETTING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, A NEW COFFEE SHOP, SAUNA CA CAFE, UM, AS ONE OF THREE TENANTS, UM, TO GET, UM, THAT BUILDING, THAT PROPERTY TO BE VIABLE. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE CREATIVITY THAT THE TEAM HAS BEEN HAVING. 
          UM, AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A THROWBACK, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE, UM, HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY OF SONOMA AROUND THE MCOS PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S THE MICRO ENTERPRISE HOME KITCHEN. 
          UM, AND JUST LAST WEEK WE GOT, WE HAD OUR FIRST TWO, UM, SUBMIT AND SO TO YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, WOMAN OWNED, UM, JUST WANTING TO START UP A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOME. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE MADE CONTACT, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY HAPPENING, UM, PARTICULARLY IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, AND IT POINTS TO ALL THE, UM, GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT THE COUNCIL, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN, UM, PUSHING FORWARD AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          I'M GONNA ASK NANCY TO TAG TEAM WITH ME HERE. 
          UM, THIS 
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IS JUST, UH, JUST A SNIPPET OF, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, FOR THE BETTER PART OF THIS YEAR, UM, IN COORDINATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, A SMALL SNAPSHOT, BUT, UM, WANTED TO PROVIDE JUST AN UPDATE ON ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          UM, I'LL PROBABLY JUMP IN ON, UH, THE ATTRACTION, BUT I'M GONNA TURN THE BUSINESS NAVIGATOR PROGRAM OVER TO NANCY. 
          SURE. 
          HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TO BUILD, UH, THIS YEAR. 
          AND A LOT OF THEM ARE BUILDING ON THINGS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, UM, BUT JUST GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION AND STRUCTURE TO THEM. 
          SO WE LAUNCHED A, A PILOT BUSINESS NAVIGATOR PROGRAM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND THEN OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED IT, UM, JUST A, A A MONTH OR SO AGO. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY A SERVICE TO HELP NEW BUSINESSES OR EXISTING BUSINESSES UNDERSTAND AND, UH, WORK THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          AND OUR ROLE, MY ROLE AND THE ROLE OF, OF MY COLLEAGUES, UM, IN THIS PROGRAM IS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE BUSINESS, REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IDENTIFY, UH, POTENTIAL NEEDS, WAYS TO REALLY GET THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH OFTEN, UM, INVOLVES SUPPORTING MORE ORGANIZATIONS, SUPPORTING MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THROUGH, AS WELL AS ON OUR SIDE TO PREP OUR, UM, PLANNING, BUILDING, FIRE, ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT PROCESS THOSE PERMITS, THIS PERMIT'S COMING THROUGH. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PRELIMINARY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, JUST TO REALLY SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS? UM, AND AGAIN, AS, UM, BRIAN MENTIONED, WE HAD SOME GREAT SUCCESS STORIES WITH ART PLAY CAFE, OUR RETAIL CANNABIS PROGRAM, UM, OMW, WHICH IS A NEW, A BUSINESS THAT'S NEW TO PETALUMA, UH, BUT HAS AN OFFICE IN NOVATO. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S A EXCITING OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THE, THE DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL OVER TO LOOK AT A LARGE MANUFACTURING SPACE AND WORK WITH THE, THE OWNERS AND JUST IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO BRING MORE PG E POWER IN. 
          UM, IT'S THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, SOME EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, OR HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROGRAM, EL ROY'S WILD GOAT, UH, WE WERE VERY CREATIVE IN BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME, UH, FIRE PREVENTION NEEDS WITH THE WILD GOAT AND AN EXPANSION THERE. 
          COPPER FIELDS AND, UM, GRAND CENTRAL CAFE, TURN IT OVER, BACK TO YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          AND I'LL MENTION JUST FOR RETAIL CANNABIS. 
          UH, WE HAVE THREE LICENSES IN TOWN, UH, EARLY DECEMBER IS THE TARGET DATE FOR OUR FIRST, UM, ONE OUT THE GATE. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'RE, UM, GRATEFUL. 
          WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED, UM, TO HAVE, UM, AN EARLY WIN THERE. 
          UM, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE RETAIL CANNABIS PROGRAM, WHICH WAS A PRIORITY OF, OF COUNCIL. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE JUST WORTH MENTIONING, CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EARLY DECEMBER, UM, UH, OPENING THERE. 
          AND SO WORKING WITH OUR NEW, UH, BUSINESS OWNER, UM, AS WELL. 
          UH, AND THEN ELROY, UM, DESPITE WHAT, UH, YOU MAY HEAR ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UM, ON THE INTERNET, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION TRYING TO GET BOTH, UH, THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION. 
          UM, THEY ALSO RECENTLY ACQUIRED, UM, THE PROPERTY ON WASHINGTON AND LAKEVILLE, UM, AS A POTENTIAL SECOND LOCATION. 
          UM, AT THE MOMENT, IT'S, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THEIR, UM, OFFICE HEADQUARTERS THAT THEY'RE OPERATING THE BUSINESS OUT OF. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE, UM, ALREADY EXISTING, UH, FOOD TRUCK THERE. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE EXCITED. 
          THEY'RE WANTING TO, UM, IN EARNEST, UH, HEADING INTO THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, PICK UP THE CONVERSATION, GET, UM, A PERMIT GOING SO THAT THEY CAN EXPAND, DO SOME TENANT IMPROVEMENTS DOWNTOWN, UM, AT THE OLD, UH, THE FORMER WALNUT GRILL LOCATION. 
          AND SO WE WILL BE HOLDING THEIR HANDS, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS. 
          THEY HAVE A NEW ARCHITECT, UM, ON BOARD, AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND SO NAVIGATING OUR, UM, EXISTING AND NEW BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO BEING ATTRACTIVE, UH, TO NEW BUSINESSES. 
          I MENTIONED EARLIER, RETAIL 2.0, UM, NEEDING TO 
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LOOK AT RETAIL DIFFERENTLY. 
          EVERYTHING FROM BIG BOX TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE K, THE FORMER KMART, UM, LOCATION IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. 
          UM, OF THAT WE FINALLY ARE TO, OF THE POINT, THEY'VE BROKEN GROUND, THEY'VE SPLIT THAT INTO THREE SMALLER BUSINESSES, UM, THREE KNOWN BUSINESSES, THREE KNOWN ENTITIES. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UM, AND WE'LL GET THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, SO WE CAN GET THEM OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT POINTS TO A LARGER, UM, EMERGING NEED. 
          AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH OUR BROKERS, UH, THAT ARE REACHING OUT ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT TOWN, UM, AS WELL AS OUR, UM, LARGE INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPERS BASED IN STREET BEING ONE OF THEM, UM, TRYING TO RETHINK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR FOOTPRINT. 
          THE SPECIFIC ONE, UM, IS WITHIN THE, ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE STARTING TO SEE OFFICE SPACE NEEDS CHANGE AND WANE SOMEWHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS COMPELLING US TO LOOK AT, UM, OUR BUSINESS PARKS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. 
          UM, AND, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS NEW IDEAS, UM, EMERGE, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND THEN I, I TOUCHED ON THE RETENTION. 
          UM, EVERY TIME WE, UM, IT, IT SEEMS, UH, DOWNTOWN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME NEW BUSINESS, UM, SOME NEW EXCITING EXPANSION. 
          AND SO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE MEETING THE MOMENT WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP THE PHONE AND, AND, UM, REACHING OUT AND BEING PROACTIVE. 
          UM, SO THAT, I, I THINK OUR HIGHEST SUCCESS RATE HAS BEEN THE EARLY, EARLY INTERVENTION. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN FRONT, UM, OF A PROPERTY OWNER OR BUSINESS EARLY, WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY, UM, UM, WORK TOGETHER TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, GENERAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, AS WE START TO THINK, WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR WITH OUR, UM, PROPOSED LAND USE MAP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE LAND USE CHANGES AND THE EXISTING ZONING CODE MATCHUP, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE ZONING CODE LINES UP. 
          UM, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT LATER ON THIS EVENING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE SPECIFIC PLANS, UM, AS PART OF GENERAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO THIS IS, IT'S JUST A SNAPSHOT, UM, AND ABSOLUTELY MORE TO COME. 
          UM, I'LL, I, WE TALKED ABOUT GRAND CENTRAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE OPTIONS, THE FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO BE A THRIVING, UH, BUSINESS IN TOWN. 
          UH, GETTING THE FORMER SEED BANK, UM, PERMITTED AND OPEN FOR EVENTS, UM, HAS BEEN REALLY EXCITING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, EXPERIENCE, UH, THAT SPACE IN THIS, IN THIS NEW WAY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT ART PLAY CAFE, UM, THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER IS, UH, WHAT WE NOW KNOW AS, UH, A THRIVING AND GROWING WATER STREET. 
          UM, IF YOU CLICK BACK EVEN FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, UM, ON THAT GOOGLE STREET VIEW, IT IS A COMPLETE DIFFERENT STORY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG WINS COMING OUT OF THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          UM, JUST TO SEE THAT, UM, ENERGY, UH, AND, AND GROWTH COME BACK TO WATER STREET. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TOP THREE PLACES, I THINK, UM, PEOPLE ARE COMING, UM, WHEN THEY'RE BRINGING, UM, PEOPLE FROM OUTTA TOWN. 
          UM, THEN THE, UM, THE OTHER, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS, UH, A GENE COMPANY ALONG WATER STREET, UM, THAT HAD THEIR GRAND OPENING. 
          UM, AND SO ONE OF, UM, THE NEW BUSINESSES THERE. 
          AND THEN I JUST MENTIONED, UM, WITH THE, UM, ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OVERLAY, UM, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, UM, AND HOUSING, UH, DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A SLIVER OF, UM, WHAT'S TO COME, UM, WHAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO GETTING READY TO, UH, PUT OUT A SURVEY OF OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, UM, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, THEIR EXISTING NEEDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AS POTENTIAL PAIN POINTS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, BE RESPONSIVE, UM, AND SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 
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STRATEGY. 
          IT WAS DONE IN 2010. 
          UM, MUCH OF IT HAS BEEN, UM, ACCOMPLISHED, HAS BEEN WORKED ON. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ALSO TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT FRESH DATA, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, WORKING ON, LOOKING AT THE TRENDS, UM, JUST A, A SNIPPET WE'RE, PETALUMA'S HAS ROUGHLY 15% OF THE JOBS, UH, IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND AS WE START TO GET MORE DATA AND UNDERSTAND THAT DATA, UM, HOW DO WE EXPAND ON THAT? HOW DO WE BECOME MORE ROBUST? HOW DO WE, UM, BE THAT ATTRACTIVE PLACE THAT PEOPLE, UH, WANT TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES, WANNA RELOCATE, UM, AND ALSO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING. 
          UM, AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OUR CITY TEAM, UM, IS, UH, GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'RE BEING REALLY DILIGENT IN, UM, RESOURCING IT APPROPRIATELY. 
          WE KNOW THIS IS A TOP CONCERN, A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE COUNCIL, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME TODAY. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO MORE REGULAR UPDATES, UH, TO THIS COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMUNITY ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I KNOW WE'VE, UH, ALL EXPRESSED A PRIORITY TO EEC FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THAT WE DO A GOOD JOB AND HELP GROW IN THE, UH, WITHOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MAINLY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE LIFEBLOOD OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE PARKS THAT ARE NICE, WE WANT TO HAVE ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES. 
          WE NEED ROBUST, UM, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BOTH THE RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT OF NEW BUSINESS. 
          SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE ALL LOOKING INTO THE, UM, I'M GONNA ASK THE COUNCIL IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE. 
          UM, BUT I'LL NOTE TO THE AUDIENCE THAT, UH, IF THERE'S AUDIENCE, UH, COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PRESENTATION. 
          WOULD ANYONE CARE TO, UM, START AND GOT A QUESTION? UH, VICE MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS NEW, UM, MOVING FORWARD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND MY QUESTION IS, UM, A LOT OF YOUR FOCUS IN YOUR PRESENTATION WAS ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS AWESOME, AND SOME OF THE BUSINESS PARKS, BUT, UM, AND ONE LARGE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S OLDER, BUT I AM LOOKING AT MY LITTLE NECK OF THE WOODS ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THERE'S AN EMPTY LOT ON LAKEVILLE AND BAYWOOD. 
          AND I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE, UM, OWNERS AND THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE, AND I KNOW I BROUGHT IT UP DURING GENERAL PLAN, ARE WE HELPING THAT OWNER, PROPERTY OWNER FIND, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT IT AS A MAKER'S MARKET AREA BECAUSE HERITAGE SALVAGE IS LOOKING TO RELOCATE. 
          SO ARE, ARE WE REACHING OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? AND THERE'S ALSO A LARGE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED, UM, ANYWAY, IT'S THE NEWER LUCKY'S ON, I WAS GONNA CALL IT LAKEHORN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S CALLED LAKEHORN. 
          GATEWAY. 
          GATEWAY. 
          ANYWAY, IS IT GATEWAY? OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, THERE'S A LARGE, THERE WAS A PAINT STORE, AND IT'S A VERY LARGE PORTION OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER. 
          ARE WE REACHING OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND FINDING NEW BUSINESSES THAT CAN GO IN OR SPLIT THE SPACE? SO, SHORT ANSWER, YES. 
          UM, IT, IT SORT OF DEPENDS. 
          UH, MOST OF THE LARGER SPACES HAVE REPRESENTATION, SO WORKING WITH THE, WE ARE, UM, CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH OUR LOCAL BROKERAGES. 
          SO JLL, UH, KEEGAN COPEN, UM, THAT REPRESENT, UM, AND LOOK ARE WANTING TO RE-TENANT. 
          UM, AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE SPECIFICALLY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UM, I THINK IT'S MAYBE A SHERWIN WILLIAMS. YES, THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. 
          UM, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR BROKERS. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING, YOU KNOW, MY CELL PHONE AND JUST, UM, ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE NIMBLE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, UH, QUICK RESPONSES. 
          THE OTHER ONE YOU MENTIONED, UM, IS THE, UH, VACANT LOT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WE'VE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT, UM, GET THE OUTREACH JUST WITH THE, UM, CONVERSATIONS, THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE THAT SPACE, UH, WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WORK 
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FOR ANY PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS. 
          YOU MENTIONED HERITAGE SALVAGE AS ONE. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY OPTIONS, UH, FOR BUG, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTIVE, UM, OF HIM AND HIS VENTURES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS, UM, OKAY. 
          YOU MENTIONED, UH, CANNABIS GETTING, UH, ONE STORE MAYBE BY DECEMBER ONE. 
          SO HOW'S THAT PROCESSES GOING, AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO? WHAT, WHERE ARE THEY IN THE PROCESS? UM, HOW CAN SOON CAN WE EXPECT THEM TO, UH, ACTUALLY BE ON THE GROUND? SO SOULFUL IS, UM, UH, IS ONE OF THE, UM, IS THE SECOND, I WOULD SAY, UM, CLOSEST. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT UNDER REVIEW. 
          UM, THEY ALSO, IT'S AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT THEY'RE CONTENDING WITH. 
          UM, UH, BUT THEY, THEY DO HAVE AN ACTIVE, ALL THREE OF OUR, UM, PERMITS ARE APPROVED FOR LOCATIONS. 
          UH, AND THEN OUR THIRD LOCATION ALSO ALONG MCDOWELL, UM, IN SPEAKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE BUSINESS OWNER, UM, ON FRIDAY, UM, WE'RE PROBABLY A WEEK AWAY FROM THEM, FROM THEM SUBMITTING THEIR BILLING PERMIT. 
          AND SO, UM, IF ALL THINGS GO WELL, UM, AND OUR FIRST ONE IS ANY INDICATION, I WOULD SAY SPRING OF NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'LL HAVE THE OTHER TWO UP AND RUNNING. 
          COUNCILMAN MCCOY. 
          SO I HAD COMMENTS RATHER THAN QUESTIONS. 
          SHOOT. 
          SO NOW IT'S A GOOD TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO FIRST I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK THAT THE CITY'S DOING TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY. 
          UM, I'LL ECHO THE MAYOR'S COMMENT. 
          SO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS VITAL, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S FOR PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF A NEED AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO, IN, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS, THERE'S ONLY A FEW WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          WE CAN EITHER GET GRANTS, WHICH ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY, UH, WE CAN DEVELOP NEW PROPERTY, UH, WITH, UH, URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. 
          UM, THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO DO, AND IT'S NOT REALLY ABUNDANT THESE DAYS. 
          UM, OR WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF OUR CONTROL. 
          UM, EARLIER THE SUMMER AFTER THE, UH, THE 2025 NORTH BAY JOURNAL ECONOMIC OUTLOOK CONFERENCE, I MET WITH THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF ZACHARY KUSH. 
          HE'S THE FOUNDING, UH, AND MANAGING PARTNER FOR MARIN SONOMA IMPACT VENTURES. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A VENTURE CAPITALIST FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN, IN INVESTING STARTUPS THAT ARE IN THE NORTH BAY, ON THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR. 
          SO HE KNOWS, HE KNOWS ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICS IN, IN THE NORTH BAY. 
          AND WHEN I ASKED HIM, WHAT CAN PETALUMA DO, UH, TO DO A BETTER JOB OF BUILDING OUR A RES A RESILIENT ECONOMY HERE, UH, THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT HE TALKED ABOUT WAS JUST, UH, RESOLUTE. 
          LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND, AND, AND, UH, AND, AND REMOVING THE BARRIERS WHEN THEY COME HERE AND WANT TO DO BUSINESS. 
          UM, SO LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, I THINK IS, IS CRITICAL. 
          AND THAT WAS RESONATED. 
          THAT, THAT, UH, SORRY, THAT, UM, WAS ECHOED IN A LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, THIS PAST SUMMER AS WELL, WHERE THEY WROTE TO THE CITY AND THEY SAID, WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO CREATE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY NOW CAMPAIGN. 
          ADD THE SLOGAN TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND ADD THE SLOGAN TO YOUR EMAIL SIGNATURES AND SIMILAR TO CLIMATE READY 2030, UH, AND SUPPORT THE CAMPAIGN TO EVERY DECISION THAT IS MADE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO I BRING THAT UP AND I SHARE THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IT. 
          AND I REALLY THINK THAT PART, IF WE WANNA DO A, UH, IF WE WANT TO BE REALLY GOOD AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY. 
          AND I, AND I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, I WOULD SAY, UM, HOW DO WE MEASURE IF WE'RE GETTING BETTER, STAYING THE SAME OR GETTING WORSE? SO AS WE GO DOWN THIS PATH OF TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD LOVE TO FIND WAYS FOR US TO MEASURE IT, UM, SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND, AND SAY WHETHER WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DI CARLY, ANYTHING TO ANTON HERE? ARE WE, UM, ARE WE PARTNERING WITH ANY PROFESSIONALS TO HELP DEVELOP THE PLAN 
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AS, AS CONSULTANTS, OR SHORT ANSWER, YES. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA LEVERAGE, UM, OUR EXISTING STAFF. 
          WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE HERE, JUST STANDING NEXT TO ME. 
          UM, BUT ALSO, UH, I MENTIONED, ALLUDED EARLIER, THE, UH, THE DATA, UM, POOLING. 
          SO THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL STUFF THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND HELP US, UM, START TO THINK THROUGH. 
          UM, AND WHAT I HOPE, UH, CONNECTS IS, UM, WE'VE ALSO, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY WE'VE HAD CONSULTANTS ON, AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UH, LOOKING AT A ROBUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO RELEASING THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. 
          IT REALLY DOES OUTLINE, UH, A STRATEGY, UM, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS HAD THE INPUT OF THE COUNCIL, THAT HAS HAD THE INPUT OF, UM, PROFESSIONAL, UM, CONSULTANTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, PRIORITIZING. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A, UM, CONSULTANT CAN HELP US THINK THROUGH. 
          HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THIS? WHERE IS THIS, WHERE ARE WE GONNA MAKE THE MOST IMPACT? UM, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. 
          UM, UM, AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, NO, THAT'S GREAT. 
          'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE PEOPLE BE A PART OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILD THEIR CAREERS ON IT OR REALLY UNDERSTAND BUSINESS AND, AND, UM, CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE SUGGESTIONS THAT ANY OF US HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          UM, AT WHAT POINT CAN WE EXPECT TO KIND OF SEE A MORE FULLY DEVELOPED PLAN? SO THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TRYING TO RETHINK, TRY TO EMBED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, UM, UH, WE CAN COME BACK WITH A MORE, UH, FLESHED OUT PLAN. 
          UM, I TRULY THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO RELEASE AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, IT IDENTIFIES A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES, ACTION ITEMS, POLICIES THAT WE WANNA WORK ON. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, WE CAN SHARE NOW. 
          IT'S ALREADY, IT'S BEEN PUBLIC. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THAT SHOULD GIVE, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY A SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A MUCH MORE FOCUSED CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK SOMETHING, UM, TO THE TUNE OF EVERY QUARTER, WHETHER IT'S A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS, UH, RELEASING OF A REPORT, UM, AS WE HIT THOSE MILESTONES WITH, UH, A NEW PLAN, UM, UH, IS TOTALLY DOABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE US PUSH FOR BUSINESS. 
          LIKE I'VE, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO FOCUS ON, ON WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW, EITHER EXISTING BUSINESSES OR EXISTING COMMERCIAL STOCK, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL OR MANUFACTURING, WHATEVER IT IS, AND CONTINUE TO GO OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EITHER RECRUIT OR SUSTAIN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE STAFF WORK DIRECTLY WITH BUSINESSES AND ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THEM, SEE WHERE THEY'VE STRUGGLED, WHETHER IT BE FOOT TRAFFIC OR IT'S PERMITS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF SOMETHING LIKE PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE CUT BACK AND WHERE CAN WE MAKE IT LESS STRESSFUL OR EASY OR LESS OF A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THEM, OR EVEN JUST A TIME SORT OF AN IMPACT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, IN A WAY I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE US HELPING THEM A LITTLE BIT LESS GOVERNMENT WOULD BE BETTER IN SOME WAYS, UM, AND, AND LETTING BUSINESSES WORK ON THEIR OWN. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I KIND OF WANT TO CONCUR WITH THAT, UM, THAT EFFORT TO KIND OF CLEAR THOSE HURDLES. 
          I MEAN, I APPRECIATED THE WORK YOU'VE DONE WITH, UH, UH, GETTING AGENCY COORDINATION WITH STATE AGENCIES AND WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ABCS AND ALL, ALL THAT BROKERING THING THAT HAPPENS IN SMALL BUSINESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, AND MORE AND MORE HELPFUL ON. 
          AND I THINK, UH, I HOPE TO SEE THAT ALL PAID DIVIDENDS. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE US HAVE A METRIC BASED, UM, DECISION. 
          LIKE, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH ACTIVATED RETAIL WE HAVE NOW? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SPACE IS ACTIVATED? AND SAME WITH COMMERCIAL AND, AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL, WHERE WE HAVE A METRIC WE CAN SHOW ACHIEVEMENT AND HOW MUCH VACANT SPACE WE HAVE THAT IS LIKE, UNDERPERFORMING. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A COMPONENT OF OUR, UM, 
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OUR, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CHICK-FIL-A, AND I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE $10 MILLION OF BUSINESS IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND, AND I THINK YES, BUT WHAT COMES TO PETALUMA IS MAYBE $100,000, YOU KNOW, 10, $10 MILLION BUSINESS. 
          SO IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT TO GET US TO THE KIND MILLIONS OF NUMBERS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE A $300 MILLION OPERATION. 
          WE GO UP 1%, WE NEED $3 MILLION, AND HOW MANY CHICK-FIL-A'S. 
          SO THIS EFFORT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE DOING IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO SUSTAINING JUST EVEN WHAT WE, WE HAVE AND, UH, LET ALONE CATCHING US ON OUR WOEFUL INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIT. 
          AND, UM, I, UM, AND, AND, UH, SO, SO, UM, I, I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE SMALL AND THE DOWNTOWN, BUT, UH, IN, IN AND OF ITSELF, NO ONE IS IMPACTFUL, BUT CHANGE IN THE DOWNTOWN BRINGS AN ENERGY THAT FLOATS ALL BOATS AND RISES OUR INCOME. 
          SO WE WANT THE BIG AND BIG BUSINESS, BUT WE CAN'T NEGLECT THE SMALL BUSINESS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH MUCH OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY. 
          UH, COUPLE OTHER THOUGHTS, UM, THAT I WANTED TO LAYER ON IS JUST MAYBE QUARTERLY AN EMAIL OF LIKE, HOW MANY PERMITS WERE ISSUED, HOW MANY PERMITS WERE CLOSED. 
          UM, I THINK WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO, TO MEASURE EXACTLY THE TIME, BUT IT FEELS LIKE, UM, THE THING WE CAN MEASURE IS OUR TIME THAT WE SPEND ON THINGS. 
          SO THE AMOUNT OF TIME FROM WHEN THE FIRST THING CAME IN TO WHEN THE A PERMIT WAS ISSUED. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF A INFLUENCE ONCE THE PERMIT'S BEEN ISSUED TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THE PROJECT THROUGH. 
          BUT, UM, THAT, THAT INITIAL TIME FROM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED TO WHEN IT'S APPROVED, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN SORT OF SEEING THAT. 
          AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR BENCHMARKS ARE AND WHAT OUR METRICS ARE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, UH, RIBBON CUTTINGS, I THINK THE, THE AMY'S RIBBON CUTTING WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF LIKE HOW TO CELEBRATE A NEW BUSINESS COMING INTO TOWN. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE OFFERED THAT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND AND WHATNOT. 
          UM, NOT JUST THE ONES IN DOWNTOWN, THE ONES THAT ARE ALL OVER TOWN, TO JUST REALLY CONTINUE TO SHOW LOVE ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, UH, I THINK I, I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SFS DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          I JUST SENT THE MAYOR A VIDEO TODAY OF, UH, THE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO, AND THEY'VE GOT JUST BASICALLY A SIMPLE FORM FOR, UM, SAYING, I'M GONNA BE PUTTING OUTDOOR SEATING HERE. 
          AND THEY PUT THE GUIDELINES AND THERE'S NO PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          IT'S JUST, IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE GUIDELINES, WE'RE GONNA COME TELL YOU, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR TABLES AWAY. 
          BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA TAKE THE HASSLE AWAY AND THE GUESSWORK AWAY, AND JUST, YOU LET US KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, AND IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION, YOU'LL FIND OUT. 
          BUT LIKE, HERE'S THE GUIDELINES, DON'T SCREW IT UP, TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT IN GENERAL, MAYOR LURIE, UM, IS DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF, UM, TURNING SAN FRANCISCO AROUND AND MAKING IT MORE OF A BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS, UH, REALLY AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT ON SORT OF MAKING OURSELVES OPEN FOR BUSINESS. 
          IF THERE'S, UM, LIKE WE'VE GOT A MAJOR PROJECTS PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A MAJOR VACANCIES PAGE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S LIKE, HOW MANY VACANCIES ARE IN THIS BUSINESS PARK? AND BUSINESS OWNERS CAN LIST THOSE. 
          AND ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PAGE, WE CAN SHOW, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OPEN BI OPEN BUILDINGS, MAYBE THERE'S VACANT LOTS THAT ARE, UM, LIKE I'M THINKING OVER BY KAISER. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF LIKE BIG VACANT LOTS THAT SOMEONE, IF THEY WANT, HAD A SPECIALTY FACILITY FOR MANUFACTURING, MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, MAYBE THE BROKERAGE IS ALREADY DOING THIS, BUT I JUST, UM, THERE'S JUST SOME OF MY IDEAS. 
          BUT, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          JUST GONNA GO QUICK BECAUSE THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF MY, UM, PUBLIC OR MY COUNCIL COMMENT, BUT I DID READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT SAN FRANCISCO AND I'M APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BRIAN BARNACLE BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE, UM, THE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO IS REALLY MOVING THINGS AND HE'S MOVING QUICKLY AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HERE. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE KUDOS ON, UM, MARCH 8TH FROM FOUR TO EIGHT AT THE DEER CREEK SHOPPING CENTER IMAGE STUDIOS AS OPENING. 
          AND SO I WEIRDLY JUST MET THIS WOMAN AND THEN THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE PERMIT. 
          SO I JUST SENT HER EMAIL TO, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF, CITY, UM, MANAGER AND NEVER HEARD BACK FROM HIM, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          AND SO THAT MEANS THAT WHATEVER THE ISSUE WAS WITH THE PERMIT, WHETHER IT WAS COUNTY OR CITY, WAS TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE HOW QUICKLY, UM, THAT HAPPENED. 
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AND THAT WAS A PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND SO I HOPE PEOPLE GO THERE ON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CHECK OUT THEIR NEW BUSINESS. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS GREAT AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT, UM, THE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO IS DOING, YOU KNOW, TO LURE BUSINESS BACK INTO SAN FRANCISCO AND 'CAUSE IT'S A GREAT CITY AND AS IS PETALUMA, IT'S 45 MINUTES AWAY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UH, JUST ONE MORE THING TO ACTUALLY KIND OF EXPAND OFF OF WHAT YOU SAID. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE HAD A KIND OF A BASELINE OF WHO THE REAL ECONOMIC DRIVERS IN TOWN ARE, YOU KNOW, BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND TYPES AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES STRUGGLE, WHICH ONES DON'T. 
          UM, SOMETHING TO KIND OF, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL ANYWAY IN, IN KIND OF ESTABLISHING LIKE THIS IS MAYBE A DIRECTION THAT WE COULD GO OR SUPPORT OR HELP OR NOT. 
          GOOD SUGGESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, YES, JUST I HAD COMMENTS BUT I WAS SAVING THEM FOR THE END. 
          THE, UM, BUSINESS NAVIGATOR PROGRAM IS AN EXCELLENT, AND THE SURVEY TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WOULD BE EXCELLENT. 
          AND ARE WE GOING TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, OR AT LEAST THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY. 
          AND, UM, ARE WE ALSO CHECKING IN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS? 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT ARE EMPTY AND HOW WE CAN HELP MAYBE THEM OR WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOW THEIR PROPERTIES TO, YOU KNOW, FUTURE TENANTS POSSIBLY. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHO'S LOOKING AT THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          I MEAN, WE WERE, CATTLEMAN'S WAS EVEN LOOKING AT SOME PROPERTIES, BUT THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA INVEST. 
          SO, UM, THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT TONIGHT, JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I'M SURE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SURVEY AND HOW IT GOES. 
          HERE'S ALSO APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE QUEUE FOR A LONG TIME AND THE BUSINESSES ARE GETTING OFF THE GROUND, BUT THEY MIGHT BE THREE TO FOUR YEARS. 
          AND ONE OF THEM IS VERY LARGE ON KENTUCKY STREET AND RECENTLY SPOKE TO ME ABOUT HIS TREES IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING AND HOW IT'S BLOCKING HIS SIGN. 
          AND HE DOESN'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HIS RESPONSIBILITY OR THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          AND THEN ALSO SIDEWALKS ARE ALWAYS A, UM, A, A BIG QUESTION MARK ON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S A NEW NONPROFIT THAT WANTS TO BEAUTIFY PETALUMA, THAT'S THE NAME OF THEIR NONPROFIT, AND THEY WANNA BRIGHTEN UP THE KENTUCKY STREET WITH TWINKLY LIGHTS, SOLAR LIGHTS IN THE TREES, AND, UH, LAMPPOSTS WITH BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS HANGING ON THEM. 
          THEY'RE VERY AMBITIOUS GROUP OF LADIES, SO WE CAN'T IGNORE THEM, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL REACH OUT TO THOSE NONPROFITS AND HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE CONNECTING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE BUSINESSES MISSING RETAIL, I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN, WE'RE MISSING APPLIANCE STORES. 
          WE NEED ONE LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE I THINK I'VE REPLACED ALL MY APPLIANCES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 
          SO IF WE COULD JUST REACH OUT TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WAS DOING THAT AND I WAS TALKING TO HER A LOT ABOUT THAT. 
          ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SEE A CELEBRATION OF THOSE LEGACY BUSINESSES IN PETALUMA. 
          AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO SOMETHING FORMAL, BUT LET'S CELEBRATE THIS RESTAURANT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, EVEN THIS BAR DOWNTOWN'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. 
          UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAS MA MADE A 50 YEAR MILESTONE. 
          AND BEING A BUSINESS IN PETALUMA, I WOULD LIKE TO CELEBRATE THOSE AND PUBLISH IT IN THE PAPER AND GIVE THEM SOME PUBLICITY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE JUST GETTING SO EXHAUSTED THAT THEY'RE READY TO STOP DOING BUSINESS. 
          AND WE WOULD HATE TO LOSE SOME OF THOSE LEGACY BUSINESSES IN PETALUMA. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. 
          YEAH, JUST TO ADD, UH, TO THAT, UH, COMMENTS HERE. 
          UM, I JUST WENT THROUGH THE BUSINESS PARK ON SOUTH MCDOWELL EXTENSION AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE NAMES OF SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF SCIENCE-BASED BUSINESSES, UH, DOWN IN THAT AREA, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN EXPANDING, UM, UH, SINCE SOME OF THE NEW BUILDINGS CAME IN. 
          AND SO THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER AREA I THINK THAT WE COULD SUPPORT BETTER. 
          UM, UH, WE DO HAVE ENOUGH SPACES IN INDUSTRIAL PARKS NOW AND, UH, IF IT'S SCIENCE-BASED BUSINESSES THAT ARE GROWING AND THRIVING RIGHT NOW ALREADY, UM, BOTH PLAYING, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          THE OTHER AREA I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE COMMENT ON IS THE, UM, IN THE, UM, RETENTION AREA. 
          SO REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET TO AT THAT POINT. 
          'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT, THAT HURT A LOT. 
          UH, SO LIKE WE'VE LOST, UM, SOME ANTIQUE STORES. 
          UM, AND SO AS THAT 
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IS DECLINING, SO UNDERSTANDING WHY THE BUSINESSES ARE NOT DOING WELL, HELPING THOSE THAT ARE ON THE EDGE MOVE FORWARD IN SOME WAY. 
          AND, AND, AND SO WE KNOW EITHER IT'S THE LOCATION OR IT'S THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, UM, WHAT IT IS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, LIKE WE'VE HAD LIKE RESTAURANTS IN COME IN AND OUTTA THE SAME PLACES AT LEAST SIX TIMES. 
          IT A COUPLE PLACES I'VE SEEN HERE. 
          WE'VE HAD SIX DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS OVER THE 30 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          SO WHY ARE THESE RESTAURANTS NOT SURVIVING? THERE'S A REASON. 
          CAN WE INVESTIGATE THAT AND FIND OUT, OKAY, SO THAT THE NEXT TIME, MAYBE THIS SHOULDN'T BE A RESTAURANT, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S OTHER WAY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO INVESTIGATE WHY BUSINESSES ARE FAILING, AS WELL AS HELPING THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING. 
          AND THEN IF WE CAN KNOW THE PROBLEM, MAYBE WE CAN THEN SOLVE IT AND, AND FIGURE OUT A WAY OF PATTERN TO REVERSE THAT PATTERN. 
          SO, UH, I HATE TO, I LOOK FORWARD TO ALWAYS ALL THE POSITIVE THINGS WE COULD DO TO PROMOTE AND DO THINGS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LEARN OUR LESSONS TOO AND ALSO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC. 
          SO WE ALWAYS, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE, UM, THE GOOD AND THE BAD WE UNDERSTAND, UH, ON THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALSO HELP IN THE DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD. 
          ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST COMMENTS TO ADD TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW BUSINESSES COME AND GO AND, AND, UH, WE'VE LOST SEVERAL TO CLOSURES OF BUSINESS SUPPLIES AND THINGS, AND WE GET THOSE WARN NOTICES THAT A BIG BUSINESS IS LEAVING IN. 
          SO IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO GET A NOTICE THAT A BIG BUSINESS IS COMING BACK IN. 
          AND I SEE, UM, UH, UP NEAR END PHASE ON THE NORTH MCDOWELL AND THERE'S, UM, A NEW MAJOR TENANT COMING INTO THOSE OFFICE SPACES. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE TREND. 
          HOPEFULLY WE'VE TURNED AN ECONOMIC TURN AND PART OF IT'S DUE TO YOUR EFFORTS. 
          SO KEEP UP THOSE EFFORTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION TONIGHT. 
          PLEASE, UH, STICK AROUND IN CASE ANYONE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ALSO WANTS TO, UH, ADD A COMMENT TO THAT PERIOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND AS, AS I MENTIONED, THAT BRINGS US TO OUR 
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GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC'S INVITED TO SPEAK AND MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. 
          IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20, UH, PEOPLE SPEAKING OR WE WILL, UM, UM, PUT THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, AT THE LAST OF OUR AGENDA. 
          WE'LL BRING IT IN AT THE, AT THE END. 
          AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CLERK TO READ OUR MESSAGE AND START OUR 32ND CLOCK. 
          YES, WE DID RECEIVE SIX GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH ARE POSTED ONLINE, AND AT THIS TIME I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK. 
          AND DURING THESE 30 SECONDS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE, UH, INVITED TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO MY DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO, SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          AND I'LL NOTE WE HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT LAX ABOUT WATCHING THAT CLOCK, BUT, UM, WE WILL BE WATCHING THE CLOCK CAREFULLY AND, AND NOT BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS AFTER THE END OF THE 30 SECONDS. 
          AND SO WE NOW HAVE OUR LIST FOR THE EVENING, AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER WOULD BE CHRISTOPHER BROWN TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. 
          DID WE WANNA SET THE CLOCK AT AND, UM, SORRY. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          THANKS FOR CATCHING ME ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE, UM, 16, UM, COMMENTS, UH, UH, REQUESTS TONIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD PUT US AT ONE MINUTE EACH FOR, FOR THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, 
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GOOD MORNING TO BRING BACK TO MY HOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE, THE MINUTE THE MINUTE GOES VERY FAST, I APOLOGIZE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS IN WRITING, UH, WE CAN, UM, CATCH THEM AND PUT THEM INTO THE RECORD FOR THE EVENING. 
          THANK YOU MUCH. 
          UH, CATHERINE BOBOWSKI IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MERLENE CRUZ. 
          YES, MY NAME IS ROKA. 
          I LIVE AT LOUIS . 
          ALSO, THIS HARM IS BREAKING ALL THE LAWS THERE AND ALSO TOO, YOU NEED TO BRING, YOU NEED TO HAVE PENAL TRANSIT RUN ON WEEKENDS, ON LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT ALL THE WAY. 
          WALK UP FROM LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY TO BAY WITH N DOWN AND TAKE AND WAIT FOR A BUS THERE AND HAVE TO TRANSFER TO 11 AT SAFEWAY TO GET DOWNTOWN. 
          THEN HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY BACK, ANOTHER HALF HOUR WALK TO FROM MCDOWELL AND BAYWOOD. 
          THAT'S TOO MUCH WALK, THAT'S, THAT'S TOO FAR THE WALK. 
          AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THEM RUN ON VETERAN'S DAY. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THIS MANAGER IS WHERE I LIVE AT. 
          SHE'S HER FAMILY'S BREAKING ALL THE LAWS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MERLENE CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHRIS PARKER. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          I WASN'T EXPECTING. 
          I LIVE IN YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE HOME PARK AND I MOVED THERE IN 2010 TRANSPLANTED OUT OF OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA TO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE MY SENIOR LIFE. 
          I AM STILL WORKING AT 76 YEARS OF AGE IN A HOTEL DURING THE NIGHT SHIFT. 
          I DO THIS TO MEET, MAKE ENDS MEET. 
          AND THE WAY THAT YOU ARE AWARE WE'RE BEING TREATED. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME. 
          THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE AT EVERY MEETING, YOU SEE THEM EVERYWHERE. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE PUT THEIR LIVES ON HOLD TO DEFEND THE REST OF US. 
          AND PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE THEIR PLEAS SERIOUSLY, WE ARE SCRAMBLING FOR OUR LIVELIHOOD. 
          I DON'T WANNA BUY A MAN TO LIVE IN, NOT AT MY AGE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THESE PEOPLE ARE MY HEROES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHRIS PARKER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARIE KUNIO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S CHRIS PARKER. 
          I'M A RESIDENT AT, UH, YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          UM, JUST LIKE TO SAY, FIRST OFF, THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE, UH, THE EFFORTS AND THE FANTASTIC SUPPORT THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF, AND THE STRUGGLES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, MY RENT STATEMENT FOR THIS NOVEMBER HAS GONE UP, UM, BY AN AMOUNT THAT IT'S THREE TIMES MORE THAN WHAT I'VE BEEN PAYING FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. 
          THIS IS BECAUSE THREE PILLARS, COMMUNITY, UH, HAS DECIDED TO TAKE A PAYMENT THAT THEY WERE, UH, AWARDED. 
          THEY RENEGED ON A PAYMENT PLAN, AND NOW DE DEMAND ALL OF THE MONEY UP FRONT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT IF I CAN'T PAY THIS, UH, I'M LOOKING AT EVICTION. 
          THIS AMOUNTS TO, UH, THIS AMOUNTS TO EXTORTION, UH, BY WAY OF THREATENING EVICTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARIE KUNIO, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. 
          HELLO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND CITY STAFF FOR ALL OF YOUR, UM, SUPPORT. 
          I AM ALSO A RESIDENT AT YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE HOME PARK, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT HOW I'M GONNA MAKE THAT $1,969 AND 48 PAYMENT, BUT I WILL. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE PETALUMA, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S A LITTLE BLACK CLOUD OVER OUR HOLIDAYS THIS YEAR, AND I RECEIVED FOUR LETTERS IN AS MANY DAYS FROM OUR MANAGEMENT, AND I HAVE MENTAL, UM, DISABILITY, AND IT IS VERY STRESSFUL. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR ENFORCEMENT. 
          THANK YOU, JODY JOHNSON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY. 
          TONIGHT, WE STAND AS RESIDENTS WHO ARE SUFFERING ABUSE AND DISREGARD 
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FOR OUR WELFARE. 
          YOUNGSTOWN SENIOR RESIDENTS ARE SUFFERING FROM A SURPRISE $1,969, ADDED TO THEIR NOVEMBER FOR STATEMENTS WITH NO REGARD FOR THEIR ATTORNEY'S PAYMENT PLAN. 
          RESIDENTS ARE BEYOND STRESSED TO COME UP WITH STATEMENT AMOUNTS ALL THE WAY UP TO $3,800, NO RESPONSE TO THESE ACTIONS FROM THEIR ATTORNEY OR THE HIGHER UP MANAGEMENT WHO SOUGHT ANSWERS. 
          IN ADDITION, WE LEARNED THAT YOUNGSTOWN PARK OWNERS FILED FOR A SUMMARY JUDGMENT WITH AFFIDAVITS IN PART SAYING THAT THEY COULD VIOLATE THE SENIOR PARK STATUS OF THE PARK, BOTH UNDER UNLAWFUL NOTICE AND THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY. 
          EVEN MORE SO, THEIR AFFIDAVIT AFFIDAVITS SIGNED UNDER PERJURY OF LAW STATE. 
          THEY DID NOT VIOLATE OR EVEN VERIFY SENIOR AGE STATUS. 
          NOTABLY, THEY DID EVERYTHING AGAINST THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY SPELLED OUT IN LAW. 
          NO SENIOR SIGNS, NO SENIOR RULES, NO REGULATIONS, NO SENIOR LEASES, NO SENIOR PURCHASE ORDERS. 
          THANK YOU, JANICE BARKER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY LORRAINE BERGER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IN ESSENCE, THEY'RE ASKING THE JUDGE TO RULE THAT IT IS OKAY FOR THEM TO DO COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OF THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          AND, AND OKAY FOR THEM TO FRAUDULENTLY UNDER HOUSING TO TELL AN ALL AGE RESIDENCE THAT THIS IS AN ALL AGE PARK. 
          SENIOR CITIZENS WHO OWN THEIR MOBILE HOMES ARE SUFFERING. 
          THEN SENIORS GET A VERY INTIMIDATING LETTER FROM YOUNGSTOWN PARK PRO OWNER'S ATTORNEY ABOUT FILING OUT A, FILLING OUT A CITY SURVEY. 
          LITTLE WOODS AFTER RECEIVING THE THIRD ARBITRATION, UH, DECISION OF A ZERO WARD, FOUND THEMSELVES IN AN APPEAL HEARING ON OCTOBER 31ST. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT THE PARK OWNERS ARE SEEKING IN, IN THE APPEAL AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT APPEAL AND A DIFFERENT ARBITRATOR AS IF TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE COURT, A COURT DECISION, YOU CAN HAVE A DO OVER THANK YOU LORRAINE GRUBERG TO BE FILED BY JENNIFER BOYLE. 
          HI. 
          LITTLE WAS, WERE HIT WITH A NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE, CHARGE THEM EXTRA BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATED DUMPSTER. 
          BUT THE RESIDENTS OVER THE MAJORITY SAW NOT PROOF OF THIS AND FILED A PEN, A PETITION THAT WANTED TO, THEY WANTED PERSONAL TRASH CANS, UM, WHICH WOULD BE MORE THAN HALF THE AMOUNT OF THE CHARGES THEY'RE BEING CHARGED. 
          NOW, PO PARK OWNERS NOTICE RESIDENTS ON FRIDAY NOTICE RESIDENTS ON FRIDAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW PERSONAL SERVICE AND RESIDENTS WILL FIGHT THAT. 
          IN ADDITION, ON NOVEMBER STATEMENT IS A PASS THROUGH FOR THE CON CONTAMINATION. 
          AND THIS IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE RENT STABILIZATION CAPRI IN THE MEANTIME WITH OVERCHARGES AND PASS THROUGHS ARE NOT, HAVE NOT BEEN CORRECTED, AND THE CLOSURE PER PROCESS NOTICE TO THEIR MAILBOXES ON SATURDAY. 
          SO THEY RECEIVED A NOTICE NOW THAT THE PARK OWNERS HAVE JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON WITH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH DILUTED. 
          SORRY, JENNIFER BOYLE TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTIA. 
          HI, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, BANDWAGON. 
          I'M NOT FINDING THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M NOT FINDING IT NOW THAT THE PARK OWNERS HAVE JUMPED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NOW THAT THE PARK OWNERS HAVE JUMPED ON, ON THE WAGON WITH DISGRUNTLED PETALUMA RESIDENCE, WHO DO NOT LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME PARK TO PUSH THEIR AGENDA THAT WAY, THEY DO NOT USE FACTUAL INFORMATION. 
          BUT THE SAME BEHIND THE SCENES APPROACH, THE PARK OWNERS ALWAYS USE TO GET ORDINANCES REVERSED OR SETTLED LAWS REMOVED. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR METHOD IS THAT THEY VIEW ONE OR TWO ADVOCATES AS A DECISION MAKERS FOR ALL THESE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS FIGHTING BACK AND SAYING, NO, NEVER WOULD MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENTS IN YOUNGSTOWN, CAPRI OR LITTLE WOODS MEET WITH A PARK OWNER TO GIVE UP REVISIONS. 
          THEY FOUGHT TILL MIDNIGHT ON AUGUST THE FOURTH AND WAS, AND THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED IN OR ALLOW VACANCY CONTROL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM BERNHEIMER. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO FOLKS. 
          VACANCY CONTROL IN EFFECT SINCE 1994 TO BE REMOVED FOR THEM TO MAKE LAND AMOUNTS OF UNAFFORDABLE 
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FOR ANY SENIOR OR VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. 
          THEY TRIED THOSE BACKDOOR DEMANDS OVER 2.5 YEARS NOW, AND WERE DENIED. 
          AND COURTS OF LAW AND ARBITRATORS ARE FINDING FAULT WITH THOSE SAME PARK OWNERS' ASSERTIONS. 
          WHY WOULD RESIDENTS GIVE UP MORE PROTECTION UNDER THE PREMISE THAT THEY WOULD STOP HARASSING US? ANY BULLY OR EXTORTIONIST FOR THAT PART? WHEN ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE A RESIDENT SUBMIT USING ANY MEANS WHEN THE MEANS LIKE COURTS AND ARBITRATORS DON'T WORK, THEY GO TO A PERSON BEHIND THE SCENES TO DO THEIR BIDDING. 
          THE PITCH THAT GROUND RENT INCREASE WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL A RESIDENT MOVED OUT. 
          DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCES IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          WE REMIND ALL THAT THE AUGUST 4TH REVISION PARK OWNERS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, TOM HEIMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY DONNA BRADY. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          HI. 
          I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          IT HAS TO DO WITH FINANCES AND, UM, PROBABLY SOME OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. 
          UM, SO YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THAT TONIGHT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO INVENTORY OF EMPATHY SPACES IS A GREAT IDEA. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH WHAT'S MISSING UNTIL YOU GO OUT AND LOOK. 
          UH, M GROUP DID A DRIVE BY TO FIND THE OVERLAY SPOTS, DO THE SAME DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT ALL THE EMPTY SPOTS AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE. 
          THAT THAT WAY WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS TO LEAVE THEIR SPACE, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A LIST OF A HUNDRED THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM. 
          UM, EXPENSES BESIDES REVENUES AND THE EKN HOTEL. 
          IF THE, IF THE, UM, CITY IS SO HARD UP FOR MONEY AND THEY'RE PUTTING ALL THEIR, ALL THEIR CHIPS INTO THAT ONE HOTEL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOOD. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR REVENUES, YOU SHOULD ALSO AT EXPENSES AND LOOK AT ALL THE, ALL THE COSTS THAT ARE GOING OUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT ALL THAT SHOULD BE GOING OUT THAT WAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT NEW SHOPS, BRIAN, YOU COULD HAVE A HEAT PUMP SHOP WITH SON, CLEAN POWER, MAYBE OPEN ONE IN DOWNTOWN. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AGAIN, ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO, UH, SUBMIT IN WRITING WILL BE READ BY ALL THE COUNCIL, UH, DONNA BRADY TO BE FOLLOWED BY JORGE ARANGO. 
          HI. 
          I LIVE IN YOUNGSTOWN AND I JUST SOME GOING MENTALLY STRESSED OUT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO US SENIORS. 
          WE BOUGHT OUR HOMES FOR OUR RETIREMENT UNTIL GOD TAKES US. 
          AND I PRAY TO GOD EVERY DAY, TAKE ME HOME. 
          I'M SO DEPRESSED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JORGE RANGO TO BE FOLLOWED BY DARREN ZEN. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M ONE OF THE RESIDENTS FROM, UH, CAPRA MO HOME PARK HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND PATIENCE. 
          UH, WE AT CAPRI, UH, WE RECEIVED A LETTER, UH, THIS PAST SATURDAY NOTIFYING US THAT THE OWNERS ARE ASKING FOR THE CLOSURE OF CAPRI BAYA. 
          AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, THIS IS, THESE ACTION TYPE OF ACTIONS CAN BE STRESSFUL FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. 
          AS MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE ON A FIXED INCOME AND SOMEWHERE AROUND DISABILITY, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THE CLOSURE IS RETALIATION FOR THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS PASS ON AUGUST 4TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          MY QUESTION FOR THE OWNERS WOULD BE, WHY, WHY WOULD YOU, THEY KEEP BUYING MO HOME PARKS IF THERE IS NO RETURN PROFIT IN THEIR INVESTMENT. 
          UM, THEY BOUGHT LITTLE WOODS, THEY BAK IN KAARI. 
          THEY BOUGHT CAPRI, THEY BOUGHT EVAN GREEN IN AND WINDOR, AND THEY BOUGHT, BOUGHT CARRIAGE COURT IN SANTA ROSA. 
          IF A BUSINESS IS NOT MAKING A PROFIT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          KEEP INVESTING IN THE SAME BUSINESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER. 
          ALSO, INSTEAD OF CLOSING THE PARKS, THEY CAN ALWAYS SELL THEM. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OF THE CLOSING OF THE PARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DARREN RAKU IN TO BE FOLLOWED BY RUDY MCGINTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRONT, LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THE TREND TOWARD DEREGULATION, UH, AS BEING A PART OF THE COUPLE, THE PERMIT EXAMPLES SHOWN THAT WERE PERMIT NIGHTMARES UNTIL THEY WERE FACILITATED, BUT LARGELY DUE TO POLITICAL PRESSURE FROM THEM. 
          KNOWING SOMEONE IN COUNCIL OR IN CITY GOVERNMENT, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, CATER THOMPSON HAD A SIMILAR STORY OF A BUSINESS OWNER REACHING OUT. 
          SHE APPLIED A LOW PRESSURE TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND IT GOT DONE. 
          IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT THAT WILL BECOME THE NORM, NOT THE EXCEPTION IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO LOVE HEARING THAT DIRECTION FOR PERMIT PROCESSING. 
          ALSO WITH PERMITS, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT PROVIDING COMPLETED COPIES OF EXAMPLE PERMITS TO BUSINESS OWNERS, BECAUSE THAT'S AN EASY IDEA TO LET PEOPLE HAVE TEMPLATES TO EASY, UH, MUCH EASIER COMPLIANCE PROCESS. 
          ALSO, AI MODULES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO FACILITATE, TRAIN IT ON OUR CODE, 
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TRAIN IT ON SUCCESSFUL PERMITS. 
          YOU HAVE A SUDDENLY INABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO ASK THEIR OWN QUESTIONS. 
          ALSO, I THINK WE NEED TO APPLY THE SAME REGULATORY LENS, UH, POTENTIALLY THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION. 
          AND I HAD SOME EXAMPLES, BUT I'M AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DON'T FORGET TO SUBMIT IN WRITING AND, UH, RUDY, UH, LINTY TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN HANIA. 
          GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ANGELA. 
          MY GRANDMA LUCY CAMP. 
          CAMP CAMPANELLI, ALMOST 90 YEARS OLD, HAS LIVED IN YOUNGSTOWN SINCE 1979. 
          THE GRIEF, THE STRESS AND INSECURITY OF THESE PARK, UH, OWNERS HAVE CAUSED FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE THREATENED THEIR HEALTH AND WELLBEING. 
          MY GRANDMOTHER IS SUFFERING FROM AN ANXIETY ATTACKS, CAUSING HER PAIN OUT, OUT AND FAIL. 
          SHE IS TERRIFIED OF LOSING HER HOME, NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY THE RENT INCREASES OR THE PARKMAN PARK OWNERS CLOSING THE PARK EVICTING EVERYONE EVERY DAY BRINGS A NEW THREAT FROM THOSE PEOPLE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MY GRANDMOTHER WILL LIVE THIS DAY. 
          SINCERELY. 
          ANGELA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          JOHN HANANIA IS OUR LAST SPEAKER TONIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, FIRST KEVIN, IT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE DURING AGENDA ITEM IF YOU CAN ANNOUNCE ABOUT THE LAST SPEAKER AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ITEM. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME TO HAPPEN. 
          IT'S GENERAL, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR PAPER WITHIN 32ND. 
          UM, WELL TONIGHT, KAREN, YOU'RE IT , RELAX. 
          THERE'S NO DAGGERS. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT. 
          LAST YEAR HE DID A GOOD JOB. 
          SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT IN YOUR LAP WITH SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME TREMENDOUSLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU DRIVE ON WASHINGTON. 
          THE FLAGS ARE RIPPED AGAIN. 
          SO WE HAVE A VETERAN DAY COMING, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IF WE CAN HAVE A NEW FLAGS OR IF WE CAN TAKE HIM DOWN, BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER DOESN'T WANT ME TO GO UP THERE AND CHANGE HIM. 
          AND THE LAST THING CONDOLENCES TO YOU, PEGGY, FOR YOUR LOSS OF YOUR FATHER. 
          GOOD NIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE STAFF AND BY STAFF I'M BEING, UH, JENNA GARCIA OF OUR, UM, OF OUR, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM. 
          NO, NO. 
          UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          YES, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON IT HERE. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, TO COMMENT ON A FEW THINGS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, JENNA GARCIA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME RESOURCES FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE AND ANYONE TUNING IN, UM, THAT IS FACING POSSIBLE LOSS OF HOUSING AS A RESULT OF BEING UNABLE TO MAKE A RENT PAYMENT. 
          UH, THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO YOU. 
          THE CITY IS PROVIDING FUNDING TO COTS HERE IN PETALUMA, SPECIFICALLY TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, UH, TO FOLKS THAT ARE AT RISK OF POTENTIAL HOMELESSNESS OR LOSING THEIR HOUSING. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO, I'M GONNA SAY IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          THE EMAIL ADDRESS HERE AT THE CITY IS HOUSING@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE TO CONNECT YOU WITH THE RIGHT PERSON AT COTS. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S HOUSING@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG. 
          AND I WILL HANG OUT RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CHAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS YOU, JENNA. 
          AND CAN I ASK, UH, ONE QUESTION THERE? UM, AND, AND ISN'T IT ALSO THAT COTS IS BRINGING, UH, MATCHING OR, OR COMPLIMENTARY, NOT JUST, I MEAN, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO BRING MANY PEOPLE TOGETHER TO HELP WITH THE SOLUTION EFFORTS. 
          IS THAT PRETTY CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO THE CITY IS PROVIDING $25,000 THIS YEAR FOR THIS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND COTS HAS OFFERED TO MATCH THAT WITH ANOTHER $25,000. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JUMPING UP, UH, HELPING US. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE'RE IN JUST TWO MORE THINGS. 
          I'LL HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, WEIGH IN, AND THEN I JUST WANNA LET, UM, MR. HANIA AND OUR COUNCIL KNOW THAT, UH, THOSE FLAGS ARE, UM, GOING TO BE REPLACED. 
          SO WE JUST GOT THEM UP IN THE OFFICE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NOW IS AMAZING TO GET THAT DONE ALREADY. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO FAST. 
          YOU'RE REALLY GOOD. 
          YEAH, REALLY GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          JUST A COUPLE UPDATES IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          UM, FROM OUR MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS, FIRST, UM, WE HAVE PREPARED A, UM, A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, UM, THAT RECEIVED MR. BEARD'S, UM, LETTER, UM, 
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ABOUT, THAT SEEMED INTENDED TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM, FROM, UM, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE SENT OUT. 
          THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF, UM, OF MAINTAINING OUR, UM, SENIOR OVERLAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S DONE ALREADY IN ENGLISH. 
          IT'S BEING TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH AND IT WILL GO OUT THIS WEEK. 
          BUT, UM, WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT, UM, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN, UM, AGE VERIFICATION HAS BEEN A REQUIREMENT, UM, SINCE THE, UM, SENIOR OVERLAY HAS BEEN IN EFFECT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. 
          AND JUST BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HELP US MAINTAIN THE SENIOR PARK STATUS BY COMPLETING THE QUESTIONNAIRES, UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA STOP PROTECTING THEIR, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROTECT AS PRIVATE INFORMATION, UM, EVEN THOUGH MR. BEARD SEEMED TO IMPLY OTHERWISE. 
          SO, KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR THAT. 
          IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT, UM, OUR HOUSING TEAM OR US, UM, HOUSING@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG AND CITY ATTORNEY AT CITY OF PE, CITY OF PETALUMA.ORG. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT WHEN OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED NOTICES, UM, UM, FROM, FROM, SAY, PARK OWNERS THAT THEY BELIEVE ARE IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS, UM, SHOULD, THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS SEND US A COPY OF THAT. 
          NOTICE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE FREE TO DO LEGALLY. 
          IT, IT IS NOT THAT THAT VIOLATES NO, UM, OBLIGATIONS YOU OWE TO THE PARK OWNERS. 
          UM, AND WE CAN RECEIVE COMMUNICATIONS LIKE THAT AND CONFIDENCE. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON MAKING THAT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS WITH A FORM THAT YOU CAN GET ON OUR WEBSITE TO HELP YOU DO THAT AND CAN PROVIDE SOME REASSURANCE AS TO HOW IT IS THAT WE CAN RECEIVE INFORMATION YOU WANNA SHARE IN CONFIDENCE AND CONFIDENCE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO ASSESS AND PROVIDE RESPONSES LIKE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND OTHERWISE, UM, AS TO THINGS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE AND LAWFUL, UM, UM, CHARGES AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT. 
          SO THAT'S A WAY YOU CAN HELP US. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PROBABLY AN EASIER WAY THAN THAN, UM, IT'S EASIER FOR US TO ACT ON THAT, UM, THAN ON, ON THE ORAL SUMMARIES AND PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU STAFF FOR HELP HELPING OUT WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT CLOSES, UM, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS COUNCIL 
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COMMENT WHERE WE TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE OUR COUNCIL, UM, LIAISON RESPONSIBILITIES OR OTHER APPOINTMENTS ARE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO START IT OFF FROM THIS END TONIGHT WITH COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST A, A HOPEFULLY A SHORTER SHORT LIST. 
          UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF NEW INFORMATION, BUT JUST LET WHAT I'VE BEEN UP TO. 
          UM, I'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK FOR PETAL WETLANDS ALLIANCE AND RELIEF. 
          PLANTED A BUNCH OF TREES, PULLED THE BULLETS OF WEEDS, PUT IN SOME, UH, OWL BOX, UH, SOME SWALLOW BOXES OVER THERE AT ELLIS CREEK. 
          SO THAT WORK, THAT WORK GOT DONE. 
          UM, THERE WAS LOTS OF MEETINGS, UH, UH, HOWEVER, THERE'S NOW NEW INFORMATION. 
          THERE'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, SIMILAR INFORMATION THAT WE HEARD. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING NEW TO REPORT ON THAT. 
          UH, THAT WAS NORTH BAY WATER WATERSHED ASSOCIATION, UM, AG AND OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THERE WAS A CITIES, THE ONE THING FROM THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS MEETING, WHICH IT WAS A DINNER AND A MEETING. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP FROM THE TALKS WAS ABOUT, UM, THE COUNTY. 
          THERE WAS A COUNTY SERVICES PERSON THAT GAVE THE TALK. 
          AND, UM, THEY SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOSING TENS, MAYBE UP TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL FOR HEALTH SERVICES. 
          AND, UH, FOR, UM, TO, TO BE WATCHING OUT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT SOMETHING AND WE ARE GONNA BE MORE UNIFIED IN ALL THE CITIES AND BE INTEGRATED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA SOLVE THIS ISSUE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S REDUCING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, UM, POSSIBLY STARTING UP IN JANUARY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED AGAIN, UH, AGAIN, I MENTIONED LAST TIME ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES. 
          AGAIN, THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THIS PERSON, UM, THAT HEALTH INSURANCE IS, IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE DRAMATICALLY IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS. 
          SO TO WATCH OUT FOR THAT AND BE MORE PREPARED. 
          UM, OTHER MEETINGS WAS SFEI DID AN UPDATE ON SEDIMENT PROJECT, BUT NOTHING REALLY NEW HAPPENING THERE. 
          THEY'RE STILL IN PROGRESS. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE POLICE ACADEMY AND IT'S A 10 WEEK COURSE, INCLUDING A FULL DAY SATURDAY. 
          SO, UH, I, I RECOMMEND ANYBODY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL POLICE, IT'S VERY INTENSE, UM, AND VERY COMPLICATED TO REALLY LEARN ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE POLICE FORCE DOES, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I, I'VE, I'VE, I KNEW I, THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S ALSO WEBINARS THEY ATTENDED BOTH ON, UM, ON THE, FROM THE CLIMATE CENTER, UH, KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW CALIFORNIA INSURANCE. 
          UM, 
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THE STATE LEVEL GAVE OUT. 
          WEBINARS HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THOSE. 
          BUT AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH THINGS WERE ALREADY KNOW. 
          UM, AND THE ONE INTERESTING PLACE WHERE I WENT WAS THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA MEDIA CENTER. 
          IT'S A BRAND NEW CENTER. 
          IT'S A GRAND OPENING UP THERE IN ROANOKE PARK. 
          COVERS A LARGER AREA OF MORE THAN ROANOKE PARK, IT'S RADIO AND TV, ESSENTIALLY OUR PAMA COMMUNITY ACCESS CHANNEL ON STEROIDS. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE STUDIOS FOR BOTH MOVIE AND RADIO. 
          THEY'VE GOT 40 TO 50 EMPLOYEES VERSUS OUR HANDFUL IN, IN PCA RUNNING. 
          AND THEY'VE GOT, UM, MULTIPLE, UH, VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE PRESENT AT, AT THERE AND WAS SUPPORTED BY THE RANCHERIA ALSO, UM, UH, PROVIDED 'EM THE EXTRA MONEY THEY NEEDED TO GET THROUGH WITH ALL THE OTHER MONIES THAT THEY HAD TO BUILD THIS BU NEW BUILDING THAT THEY HAVE. 
          UM, SO IT'S A WONDERFUL FACILITY, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT. 
          AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, I'M RECOMMENDING PCA KIND OF LOOK AT THAT MODEL AND SAYS, HEY, MAYBE WE CAN STEP UP A LITTLE BIT, WORK WITH 'EM AS PARTNERS. 
          UM, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S MY REPORT OF WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE LAST, UH, FEW WEEKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, UH, LIAISE LIAISON REPORT, UH, REPORT OUTS. 
          I DO WANT TO THANK, UH, MS. BROWSKI FOR, UM, BRINGING UP THE, UH, THE, THE TRANSIT SERVICE ON THE WEEKENDS. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER, UH, IF YOU COULD MAYBE TALK TO JARED OR THE TEAM TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO, BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT, I THINK ON THE WEEKENDS THERE'S A GAP THERE THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, UH, SEE IF WE CAN CLOSE, UH, CLOSE OUT. 
          AND, UH, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, JOHN, I'LL BE ON KCPA OR KPCA THURSDAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK, UM, ON THE, UH, RIFFING WITH JO AND NATE SHOW. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          SO JOHN SORT OF MENTIONED IT, BUT, UH, AT AGON OPEN SPACE, WE HAD AN EXPERT PANEL OF, UH, PEOPLE IN AGRICULTURE FROM FARMERS TO PEOPLE IN REAL ESTATE AND, AND PEOPLE THAT HELP ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN. 
          UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND HOW AG AND OPEN SPACES HELPED THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN SOME CASES GIVING THEM ENOUGH OF A BUFFER TO GET, KEEP THINGS GOING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO WHERE THEY'RE MORE STABLE. 
          UM, AT THE SONOMA COUNTY MAYORS AND COUNCIL ASSOCIATION MEETING, UH, WE HAD A, I FORGET HIS TITLE EXACTLY, BUT A GENTLEMAN FROM THE COUNTY SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS SERVICES, HOUSING, UH, TRANSPORTATION TYPE STUFF. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS PRETTY, PRETTY BLUNT WITH HOW A LOT OF FUNDING IS DRYING UP FOR THINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S LIKELY THAT SOONER THAN LATER, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE DRYING UP AND GOING AWAY JUST BECAUSE THE MONEY WON'T BE THERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, AT THE WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS FOR THE OMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY, UM, WE RECEIVED A BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 25. 
          IT, UH, IT DID SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR, THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE HAS, UM, FROM WHAT THEY BUDGETED, UM, SAVED ABOUT 770 MILLION GALLONS. 
          UM, WHICH IS, IS IT, IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A LOT OF WATER. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE WHOLE, IT'S, IT'S A LOT LESS. 
          BUT 770 MILLION IS A LOT OF WATER TO SAVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO SAID TOO THAT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY BUDGETED FOR THEMSELVES OVER THE YEAR, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO COME IN $32 MILLION UNDER THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND ON THE HEELS OF WHEN WE HAD A RATE INCREASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR THEY WON'T COME BACK WITH ONE, UM, HOPEFULLY TWO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE TO INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP OUR WATER SUPPLY INTACT AND GOING. 
          AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UP, UP IN LAKE MENDOCINO, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADOPTED A NEW WEATHER SYSTEM CALLED FIRO. 
          IT'S AN ACRONYM FOR IT, AND THAT'S GONNA HELP MAXIMIZE, UH, WATER STORAGE WITHIN THE LAKE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS GONNA REPLACE THE OLDER METHOD OF MORE OR LESS GUESSTIMATING USING CHARTS AND GRAPHS. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WILL GIVE MUCH, MUCH MORE STORAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES WHEN WE NEED IT, WHEN THERE'S DROUGHT OR WITH WHAT'S COMING WITH POTTER VALLEY, IF THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR ALL MY UPDATES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA FLAG THAT, UM, WE'RE DEALING, IN ADDITION TO THE HEALTHCARE COSTS, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG FOOD INSECURITY ISSUE, UM, THAT'S REALLY GOING ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY, BUT IT'S, UM, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, IF YOU CAN, FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE THE MEANS TO LOOK AT REDWOOD EMPIRE FOOD BANK, UM, I KNOW SNO CLEAN POWER IS, UM, ADDING A $28,000 DONATION ON TOP OF THE, OUR YEAR ROUND GIVING, BUT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE RUNNING ADS AS WELL, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, TO BE GIVING TO THE FOOD BANK. 
          WE'RE SEEING LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO X THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ON THE WEBSITE, 
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TWO X THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, UH, GETTING REFERRALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO, UM, LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER DURING THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I TOO AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE TRANSIT GAP. 
          'CAUSE THAT DEFINITELY IS AN ISSUE. 
          UM, I WAS AT THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON ALZHEIMER'S AND JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT MEDICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A GREAT CONVERSATION, AND THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE THERE THAN SIGNED UP. 
          IT WAS PACKED. 
          AND SO THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE, UM, EDUCATING OURSELVES ON POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, ALZHEIMER'S AND OTHER DEMENTIA. 
          UM, I WANNA SAY LOTS OF ROADS ARE GETTING SLURRY SEALED IN ALL THE DISTRICTS, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW BUSINESS OPENING AT DEER CREEK. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA SAY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE HURTING, UM, PEOPLE THAT DO TILE WORK. 
          SOMEBODY CALLED ME WHO'S BEEN IN THE TILE BUSINESS IN PETALUMA FOR 40 YEARS, AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ALL HOME REPAIRS. 
          AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING BUSINESSES IN, UM, REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HURTING BUSINESSES, AND IT'S HURTING EVERYBODY. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL TURN AROUND AND WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO, UM, SOME STABILITY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE. 
          SO IT'S, UM, DISHEARTENING WHEN YOU'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A NAME IN FRONT OF 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER AT HOME BUSINESSES OR THEY HAVE A SHOP SOMEWHERE. 
          UM, I WAS, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE SONOMA COUNTY, UM, S-C-T-C-A, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION CLIMATE ACTION, ALONG WITH TAM, THE MARIN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY OF MARIN, WE DID SEND A JOINT LETTER TO CALTRANS, TALKING ABOUT REQUESTING THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME CHANGES IN THE HOURS OF THE COMMUTE, UM, HEARING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND READING ABOUT THEM. 
          AND WE'RE QUITE AWARE OF IT. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ALSO SIT IN THAT TRAFFIC. 
          UM, AS FAR AS MY, UM, WATER COMMITTEE, THE GSA, UM, THERE, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A FIELD TRIP OVER TO ELLIS CREEK WITH ONE OF THE MONITORING WELLS. 
          AND THAT'S TO SEE, UM, SEAWATER INTRUSION. 
          UM, SO THAT'S EXCITING THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH OUR GOAL OF, OF STABILITY OF WATER STABILITY FOR PETALUMA. 
          AND PETALUMA'S WATER BASIN IS ACTUALLY IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. 
          UM, SMART. 
          THERE'S NO UPDATE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK, AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, OR A, A FEW OF 'EM AT LITTLE WOODS, WERE TALKING ABOUT RECOLOGY, AND I WAS HOPING MAYBE THE CITY COULD RECONNECT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT RECOLOGY HAS HAD NUMEROUS EDUCATIONAL, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TENANTS, AND THE DUMPSTERS USED TO BE IN THE BACK, BUT NOW THEY'RE IN THE FRONT AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ILLEGAL DUMPING IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          SO MAYBE WE CAN JUST RECONNECT WITH, UH, ECOLOGY. 
          ECOLOGY IS ALSO ON MY, MY, UH, COUNCIL REPORT. 
          UM, IN OCTOBER, I HAD THE CHANCE TO VISIT TWO PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL LEADERSHIP AND GOVERNMENT CLASSES. 
          THESE STUDENTS BLEW ME AWAY. 
          THEY'RE CURIOUS, ENGAGED, AND FULL OF GREAT QUESTIONS ON HOW OUR CITY RUNS. 
          IF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE OUR FUTURE, THEN PETALUMA IS IN VERY GOOD HANDS. 
          AT OUR RECENT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE LEARNED ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF DRONES AND AUTOMATIC AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS OR A LPRS AS THE COOL KIDS IN PUBLIC SAFETY CALL THEM. 
          IN FACT, PETALUMA HAS BEEN USING A LPR TECHNOLOGY SINCE 2005 TO HELP PARKING ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO IT'S NOT A NEW, IT'S NOT AS NEW AS IT SOUNDS. 
          OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN JANUARY, 2026, WHEN THE PET POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH THE ANSWERS TO THE THOUGHTFUL PUBLIC COMMENTS WE RECEIVED AT THE MEETING. 
          BIG THANKS TO CHIEF MILLER AND THE TEAM FOR THEIR OPENNESS AND HARD WORK. 
          ON OCTOBER 23RD, EXACTLY 8:30 AM I JOINED THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY AT THE PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT'S FLAG CEREMONY, HONORING FIREFIGHTER JAMES MOTT, WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN THE LINE OF DUTY 113 YEARS AGO. 
          IT WAS A MOVING REMINDER OF THE COURAGE AND DECLARATION BEHIND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FAMILY. 
          AS VASE VICE MAYOR, I ALSO HAD THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING THE CITY AT TWO EVENTS LAST WEEK, INCLUDING THE 22ND ANNUAL BEST PRACTICES AWARDS BREAKFAST AT SCO, I GOT TO PRESENT THE EMPLOYEE INITIATIVE AWARD TO A 2005 
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GRADUATE OF COLLEGE TO CAREER PROGRAM, A WONDERFUL COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF REHABILITATION AND THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS INSPIRING TO SEE THESE PARTNERSHIPS THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE REACH THEIR GOALS AND THRIVE IN THE WORKPLACE. 
          AND NOW, MY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, AS WE HEAD IN TO THE HOLIDAYS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO COMPOST THOSE OLD PUMPKINS. 
          OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE WRITING OR PAINT, YOU CAN FIND FARMERS WHO NEED 'EM FOR THEIR LIVESTOCK. 
          THEY'VE HAD THEIR MOMENT, AND NOW THOSE PUMPKINS NEED TO HAVE THEIR TIME TO SHINE IN THE GREEN BIN. 
          ALL THOSE THIN, FLEXIBLE PLASTIC PACKAGING MATERIALS GO IN THE GRAY LANDFILL BIN, NOT RECYCLING, NO MATTER WHAT THE LABEL CLAIMS. SO IF IT SAYS COMPOST, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          WRAPPING PAPER, YES, UNLESS IT SPARKLES OR SHINES, LET'S NOT PUT IT IN THE RECYCLING CONTAINER. 
          THE BLUE ONE. 
          THE, UM, STREET SWEEPING. 
          WE CAN'T FORGET THAT OUR STREETS ARE FULL OF LEAVES RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO HELP OUT BY MAYBE MOVING OUR OWN CARS WHEN IT'S OUR TURN TO HAVE OUR STREETS SWEPT. 
          SO CHECK THE WEBSITE FOR YOUR SCHEDULED DAY. 
          IT HELPS KEEP OUR STREETS AND OUR CREEKS CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT RECOLOGY.COM/PETALUMA BECAUSE NOTHING SAYS HOLIDAY CHEER, LIKE SORTING YOUR RECYCLING CORRECTLY. 
          AND THIS WAS IN THE MAILBOX, SO LOOK FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOT GREAT INFORMATION. 
          DON'T RECYCLE IT. 
          KEEP IT AROUND FOR YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. 
          ON A SAD NOTE, A RADIO PERSONALITY IN PHILADELPHIA FROM PETALUMA, PIERRE ROBERTS PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK. 
          AND AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, OUR OWN LOCAL COMMUNITY RADIO STATION, WE HAD PIERRE'S PERSONALITY BEGIN IN PETALUMA. 
          AND HE'S BEEN IN PHIL PHILADELPHIA FOR THE LAST MAYBE FIVE, SIX DECADES, AND HE IS QUITE A PERSONALITY, BUT HE WAS RAISED IN PETALUMA. 
          SO THERE'S A GREAT PLACE IN HEAVEN FOR DJS . 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, AND A GREAT REPORT. 
          UM, AND SO IN, IN, UH, MY PERSONAL ACTIVITIES, UM, I'M ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, AND WE MET, UH, UH, RECENTLY IN THE NEWLY REFURBISHED LIBRARY AS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD BACK. 
          THEY'RE SO IMPRESSED AND SO HAPPY THAT IT'S BACK OPEN. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN A, A WEEKEND FULL OF D DE LOS MUTOS EVENTS IN TOWNS. 
          SO, UM, PETALUMA HAS MANY, MANY EVENTS THAT TAKE UP THE DOWNTOWN SPACE. 
          AND WITH THE, THE SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT CLOSING KENTUCKY STREET FROM B STREET TO WESTERN, IT WAS, IT IS QUITE A, QUITE A, UH, STREET EVENT THERE. 
          UM, MORE SOBERING ON, ON THE, UH, COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION. 
          AND, UH, THEY'VE MET CONSTANTLY, LIKE WEEKLY NOW. 
          AND IT'S THE DIRECTOR OF, OF, UH, THE HEALTH SERVICES AGENCY, NOLAN SULLIVAN, WHO WENT TO THE MAYOR'S MEETING AND IS, UM, AND IT'S DOING KIND OF A ROAD SHOW, TRYING TO IMPRESS EACH OF THE CITIES AND EACH OF THE COUNCIL PERSONS AND YOU, THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW SEVERE THE CUTS ARE THAT ARE COMING. 
          AND, UH, WE, WE SEE IT IN THE SNAP PROGRAMS AND THE, AND THE APPEALS FROM REDWOOD EMPIRE, BUT WE, WE ALSO SEE IT IN, IN WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS SAFE, PERMANENT, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. 
          WELL, ONCE YOU'RE THROUGH HOMELESSNESS AND INTO A STABILIZED, AND EVEN THAT IS UNDER ATTACK AND, AND BEING UNDERFUNDED AND PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA, UM, THE, THERE IS A SUBSET OF THIS HOMELESS COALITION CALLED THE ELECTEDS. 
          UH, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF NONPROFITS ON IT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ELECTEDS ON THIS BIGGER BOARD, AND THE, THE ELECTEDS ARE GETTING TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT IMPACT WE CAN HAVE INDEPENDENTLY. 
          UM, BUT IN THE NONPROFIT WORLD, I WOULD EXPECT, UH, EFFICIENCY EFFORTS, WHICH MIGHT LOOK LIKE CONSOLIDATION EFFORTS. 
          IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH, UH, FOR EVERY NONPROFIT TO CONTINUE, AND THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATIONS BETWEEN THEM. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, UM, QUITE A BIT OF WHAT'S, UM, GOING ON. 
          I THINK I'D LIKE TO ALSO CONGRATULATE OUR, UH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BRIAN BARNACLE, WHO WAS, UH, ELECTED AN ABUNDANT ELECTED FELLOWSHIP FROM THE ABUNDANT, UM, THE ABUNDANCE, UM, NETWORK WAS NETWORK AND, UH, THAT'S A COMMUNITY OF, OF PEOPLE BELIEVING IN, IN A BETTER WAY TO, UH, GET US INTO THE FUTURE. 
          AND RESULTS ORIENTED GOVERNANCE REMOVES BARRIERS, MODERNIZES SYSTEMS, AND DELIVERS TANGIBLE OUTCOMES FOR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, DOESN'T IT? , UH, A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE PETALUMA'S REBUILDING TOGETHER, WHO RECEIVED THE HONOR BEING AWARDED NATIONAL EXCELLENCE IN LEADERSHIP PRIZE 
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BY THE NATIONAL REBUILDING ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO LOTS OF GOOD NEWS IN PETALUMA. 
          I JUST WANT TO CLOSE WITH, UM, A NOTE TO THE MOBILE HOME, UH, PARK RESIDENTS THAT COUNCIL SUPPORT IS UNWAVERING AND, UM, WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUT THE RESOURCES TO THIS THAT, UH, WE HAVE AND NEED. 
          SO, UM, THAT CONCLUDES AND I'D LIKE 
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TO PASS IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL COMMUNITY. 
          JUST TWO ITEMS TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO WELCOME BACK OUR POOL PATRONS FOR REOPENING OF THE SWIM CENTER ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, BEGINNING AT 5:30 AM FOR LAP SWIM. 
          THE CITY'S NEW AQUATICS PROGRAM WILL, UH, INCLUDE EXTENDED HOURS ON BOTH WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS ONLINE PASS PURCHASES FOR EASY CHECK-IN AND DISCOUNTED PASSES WITH MULTIPLE SWIMS. THIS PAST WEEK, STAFF HAVE BEEN PAINTING THE LOCKER ROOMS, REPAIRING FIXTURES, IMPROVING SIGNAGE, TRAINING, NEW LIFEGUARDS, AND PREPARING THE SWIM DECK FOR NEXT WEEK'S REOPENING. 
          ANYONE INTERESTED IN RECEIVING UPDATES ON THE POOL IS ENCOURAGED TO SIGN UP AT CITY OF PETALUMA SLASH SWIM CENTER AND THEN TO THE SEASON. 
          UM, TOMORROW, OUR CITY SELF-SERVICE SANDBAGS, UH, STATIONS WILL BE OPEN, UM, AT TWO LOCATIONS AT HOPPER STREET AND AT PRINCE PARK. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT A, A STORM COMING, UM, BETWEEN TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WITH, UH, POTENTIAL FOR KING TIDES. 
          SO THAT ALWAYS CREATES SOME LOCALIZED FLOODING. 
          SO REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE PREPARED. 
          OUR SANDBAG LOCATIONS AND OTHER HELPFUL STORM INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG SLASH FLOOD ALERT INFO. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR CONSENT 
          [CONSENT CALENDAR]
CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE AND SEE IF ANYONE WISHES TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM, UH, THIS SEEING NO REQUEST FOR REMOVAL. 
          UM, I WILL ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AND NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND INVITE THE CLERK TO READ THE MESSAGE. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THIS IS THE MOMENT TO BRING YOUR CARD TO MY DESK. 
          DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY TAKERS. 
          NO, I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE, UH, RUSHING FORWARD THERE. 
          WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          MAKE THE MOTION WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CATER THOMPSON. 
          AND A SECOND FROM NOW, I'LL SECOND IT. 
          AND, UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON YES. 
          TO CARLY? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          QUINT, YES. 
          SHRI, YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE 
          [7.
 Recommendation to Receive a Staff Presentation and Discuss a Staff-Facilitated Community Outreach Partners Model to Enhance Engagement and Feedback in Support of the Petaluma North SMART Station Priority Development Area Specific Plan Project]
WORKSHOP. 
          UH, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE STAFF PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS A STAFF FACILITATED COMMUNITY OUTREACH PARTNERS MODEL TO ENHANCE ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK IN SUPPORT OF THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT. 
          AND TO HELP US WITH THIS, WE HAVE BRIAN O OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ANDREW TRIPLE PLANNING MANAGER. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. 
          TAKE IT AWAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, WE STARTED THE EVENING TALKING, HAVING A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT DOWNTOWN, UM, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL. 
          UH, THE WORKSHOP TONIGHT, WE'LL FOCUS US ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, UM, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN, I WOULD SAY, AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF, UM, PROJECTS AND WORK, UH, THAT ARE DRIVING US TO THIS POINT. 
          AND SO A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE CAME TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL ULTIMATELY AWARDED, UH, PERKINS AND WILL TO BE OUR PRIMARY CONSULTANT, UH, WALKING THE CITY THROUGH THE CREATION OF A SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          WHAT IS A SPECIFIC PLAN? WHAT'S THE GENERAL PLAN? WHY ARE WE WORKING ON ALL THIS, UM, UH, AT THE MOMENT? UM, AND THE TIMING COULD NOT BE BETTER. 
          UH, WE ARE A YEAR AWAY FROM ADOPTING, HAVING A NEW GENERAL PLAN THAT'LL TAKE US INTO MID-CENTURY. 
          UH, A SPECIFIC PLAN IS VERY MUCH A PART OF, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UH, SO THINK OF IT AS SOMEWHAT OF A, A MINI GENERAL PLAN FOCUSED ON AN AREA. 
          WE HAVE, UM, AN AREA OF OF INTEREST, UH, EXAMPLE BEING OUR CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WATER STREET, UM, A MUCH FOCUSED, UM, PLANNING EFFORT. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WITH THE 
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BRINGING ONLINE OF OUR SECOND TRAIN STATION ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, UH, ONE OF THOSE FACTORS, UM, DRIVING US TO, TO THINK ABOUT THE CORRIDOR, TO THINK ABOUT THE AREA WALKING AREA, THE BIKING AREA AROUND THE NEW TRAIN STATION, AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THINK NOT JUST ABOUT HOUSING, BUT ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, MUCH OF MCDOWELL, UM, CORRIDOR HAS A NUMBER OF WELL ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES. 
          IT'S SOMEWHAT OF OUR, UM, HEALTH SERVICES AREA. 
          UM, AND SO ALL OF THAT, UH, GIVES US AND LENDS US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND REALLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND SO TONIGHT BEFORE WE EMBARK ON THAT, WE DID A, UH, KICKOFF WITH OUR, UH, PRIMARY CONSULTANT. 
          WE'RE GONNA START TO DIG REAL DEEP, UM, ON THE AREA THAT, UM, SURROUNDS THE TRAIN STATION, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A, UH, GROUNDBREAKING DATE FOR THE DANCO PROJECT, WHICH IS 131 UNITS, UM, JUST ADJACENT TO THE TRAIN STATION. 
          UH, AND SO WE LOOK TO CARRY THAT MOMENTUM THROUGH THIS SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          I'M JOINED HERE BY OUR PLANNING MANAGER, ANDREW TRIPLE, UH, TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO THOUGHTFULLY AND MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, THOSE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, UM, WITHIN THIS PLANNING AREA, UH, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION, ROBUST ENGAGEMENT, SO WE HAVE A PLANNING PROCESS THAT TAKES US INTO THAT MID-CENTURY, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY IN MIND. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          AND, UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          UH, THIS EVENING I'LL BE OFFERING THE PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF, UH, TOM FORD, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT. 
          TOM IS ACTUALLY, UM, OUT OF TOWN PARTICIPATING WITH AN AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, UH, COMMUNITY ACTION PLANNING PROJECT IN CALUSA. 
          SO, UM, HAPPY FOR HIM TO BE THERE, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          UM, SO THIS EVENING WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, PROPOSING AN ENGAGEMENT MODEL FOR POLICY PLANNING. 
          UH, AND WE'RE CALLING IT A MODEL BECAUSE IT'S APPLICABLE TO, UH, THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION, PDA SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT, BUT WE ALSO POTENTIALLY COULD SEE IT AS A MODEL FOR FUTURE PLANNING EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SMALLER SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, SCALE OF A POLICY PLANNING EFFORT. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS EVENING'S, UH, PRESENTATION OUTLINE WILL INCLUDE THE PROJECT APPROACH, UH, SOME BACKGROUND ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT, UH, FEATURES OF THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY OUTREACH PARTNERS WORKING GROUP, HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS, AND THEN A REQUEST FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE'VE, UH, GOTTEN IN THE HABIT OF PRESENTING THE VERY SLOWLY, EVIDENTLY. 
          THERE WE GO, , PRESENTING THE PROJECT TIMELINE. 
          THIS, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN IS FUNDED BY AN MTCA PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA GRANT OF FUNDING PROGRAM. 
          AND IT DOES, UH, THE FUNDING DOES CONCLUDE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR. 
          AND SO WE ARE ON A COMPRESSED TIMELINE AND ON A PROJECT SPECIFIC BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALWAYS REFLECT UPON THE TIMELINE. 
          WE CAN SEE HERE THAT WE ARE IN THE DATA GATHERING AND FOCUS GROUP, UM, EXPLORATION PHASE IN FALL OF THIS YEAR THROUGH WINTER AND INTO THE SPRING. 
          UM, WE'LL BE DOING SOME VISIONING WORK, UH, DEVELOPING SOME DESIGN ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND THEN, UH, IN THE SPRINGTIME LANDING ON THE, THE PREFERRED OPTIONS AND BEGINNING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THE EIR THAT'S REQUIRED SUMMERTIME BE DRAFTING THE SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, COMPLETING THE EIR AND THEN, UH, IN THE FALL OF, OR WINTER OF 2026, SPRING OF 27, BRINGING THAT, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PLAN FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. 
          THE, UM, THE, OF COURSE, THE PLANNING AREA IS LOCATED ALONG NORTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD, UM, HEADED NORTH FROM EAST WASHINGTON UP TO AND AROUND, UH, THE INTERSECTION WITH CORONA ROAD. 
          IT REALLY HAS TWO FEATURES TO 
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IT. 
          THE FIRST IS THE, UH, HALF MILE DISTANCE FROM THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION LOCATED THERE, UH, WHERE THE GREEN, THE GREEN ASTERISK IS. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO HAS THE MORE ELONGATED FEATURE ALONG NORTH MCDOWELL THAT REFLECTS THE PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL. 
          UM, EARLIER IN THE, IN, UH, 2020 TIMEFRAME, THE, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH PARTNERS WORKING GROUP, UH, WOULD SUPPORT THIS SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT BY BUILDING TRUST, AMPLIFYING OUTREACH EFFORTS, ENHANCING COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO BE ASKING THE GROUP TO PROVIDE INPUT AND FEEDBACK ON PROJECT DELIVERABLES. 
          AND SO TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT SPECIFIC PLANS AND CONTEXT, THEY DO SIT AS A, A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN THAN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO TYPICALLY, THEY WILL FOLLOW A GENERAL PLAN. 
          THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE HAS BEEN AWARE OF, UH, THIS SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. 
          AND SO, UM, WE ARE USING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TO INFORM THE SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, BUT THEN ALSO EXTENDING UPON IT SO THE SPECIFIC PLANS REALLY BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE GOALS IN A GENERAL PLAN AND THEN THE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN. 
          THEY DO THIS BY DOING TWO THINGS. 
          THEY PLAN AND THEY IMPLEMENT. 
          UH, THEY TEND TO FOCUS ON SMALLER AREAS, UH, GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAN THE GENERAL PLAN COULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          THEY COULD FOCUS ON A SINGLE ASPECT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UH, SUCH AS, UH, BIKE MOBILITY OR SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, OR THEY COULD BE A SINGLE ISSUE, SINGLE POLICY ISSUE, LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS CASE. 
          AS WE'LL SEE, THIS SPECIFIC PLAN IS GOING TO BE MORE BROAD THAN A SINGLE ISSUE, UH, AND CERTAINLY MORE DETAILED AND COMPREHENSIVE THAN A SINGLE ASPECT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT THEY CAN VARY IN SCOPE AND PURPOSE, AND THAT GIVES, THAT MAKES THEM APPEALING BECAUSE OF THEIR FLEXIBILITY. 
          THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER, UNDER CALIFORNIA STATE LAW, THE FIRST IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE VERTICALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE AREA. 
          THEY CAN PROPOSE NEW REGULATIONS FOR ADOPTION, BUT, UH, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO, THOSE WOULD REQUIRE ZONING AMENDMENTS, AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE ADOPTED IN THE SAME MANNERS. 
          THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE ACTION, UH, REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS, DOCUMENTATION, AND CONFORMITY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF OTHER APPLICABLE, UH, GOVERNING BODIES OR AGENCIES. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, THE FINAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO CONTAIN A PROGRAM OF IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES. 
          UH, THAT COULD BE THE ZONING, UH, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, BUT COULD INCLUDE OTHER PROGRAMS, CIP PROJECTS, FINANCING TOOLS, AND SO FORTH. 
          AND SO, WORKING WITH THE PLANNING CONSULTANT, PERKINS AND WILL AND THEIR CONSULTING TEAM, UH, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT DESCRIBES HOW THEY'LL BE BUILDING ON THE GENERAL PLAN FOUNDATION THROUGH THE VISION STATEMENT OF THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          ITS PROPOSED GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THE GENERAL PLAN PILLARS, AND THEN OF COURSE, CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS. 
          AND THOSE, UH, TEND TO COME TOGETHER IN THREE, UM, UM, LEGS OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, CLIMATE RESILIENCE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE CITY'S GOAL OF ACHIEVING CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030, EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THEN TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          THEN, UH, THE HEALTHY COMMUNITY'S LEG, WHICH WOULD ENSURE HEALTH AND WELLNESS WOULD SEEK TO CONNECT THE EAST AND WEST SIDES AND WOULD HONOR PETALUMA'S HERITAGE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, PROMOTING A DIVERSITY OF, UH, HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          AND THEN TO, UH, REFLECT UPON BRIAN'S PRESENTATION EARLIER THIS EVENING. 
          UH, FORWARD-LOOKING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD SEEK TO UNDERSTAND, UM, BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE PLANNING AREA AS WELL AS THE NEEDS OF EMPLOYERS, EMPLOYEES, AND SO FORTH. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PLAN COMPONENTS. 
          AND, UH, THIS WAS GENERATED BY THE PLANNING TEAM. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS PART OF THE CLIMATE RESILIENCE STRATEGY. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING CONDITION SLIDE THAT WAS GENERATED USING GENERAL PLAN UPDATE DATA, UH, WHERE WE CAN SEE THAT, UH, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THEY'LL BE DOING, UM, THEY WERE MAPPING THE FLOOD AND SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE PLANNING AREA, AS WELL AS SOME IMPORTANT, UH, NATURAL FEATURES, UH, SUCH AS PARKS AND, UH, GREENWAYS. 
          THEN, UM, ANOTHER AREA THAT THEY'LL BE STUDYING 
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AND WORKING ON IS OF COURSE, THE HEALTHY COMMUNITIES COMPONENT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, LOOKING INTO SAFE, ACCESSIBLE AND LOW CARBON MOBILITY OPTIONS. 
          AND SO WE CAN SEE THE MAPPING OF SOME OF THE KEY, UH, FEATURES WITHIN THE PLAN AREA, INCLUDING SMART AND OTHER PATHS OF TRAVEL, UH, INCLUDING BICYCLE NETWORKS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE THIRD PLAN COMPONENT IS EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT AND WITH A FOCUS ON ENSURING FLEXIBILITY FOR LONG-TERM GROWTH. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN REALLY EXPECT TO SEE, UM, SOME EXPERIMENTATION AND SOME PROPOSALS AROUND STREAMLINING AROUND HOW WE ARE ABLE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE, BE MORE RESPONSIVE, NOT JUST TO HOUSING PRODUCTION, BUT ALSO, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. 
          UH, THIS POINTS OUT SOME OF THE KEY, UH, IMPORTANT HOUSING EDUCATION, UH, AND HEALTH RELATED, UH, HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PLANNING AREA, RANGING FROM THE MOBILE HOME PARKS, UH, THE RESIDENTS WE LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING WITHIN THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE PETALUMA CAMPUS, WHICH IS AN INSTITUTIONAL ANCHOR, UH, THAT IS, IS GREATLY IMPACTED BY AND IMPACTS AND, AND, UH, BENEFITS FROM THE PLAN AREA. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, PETALUMA VALLEY HOSPITAL IS AN EXAMPLE OF A MEDICAL ANCHOR INSTITUTION. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, THE, UM, THE PLANNING PROCESS LOOKED AT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. 
          THEN MOVING INTO THE PLAN VISIONING DEVELOPMENT OF THE FRAMEWORK, THEN DEVELOPING THE PLAN ITSELF AND PREPARING THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. 
          THIS THEN IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY THE PLANNING TEAM THAT THEY'LL BE IMPLEMENTING WITH THE SUPPORTIVE PLAN TO PLACE CITY STAFF AND THE OTHER, UH, PLAN CONSULTANTS. 
          UM, IT SHOWS THE STAKEHOLDER FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, THE PLAN VISIONING EFFORT, WHICH IS A CHARETTE VISIONING, UM, ACTIVITY, OPEN HOUSES, POP-UP EVENTS, UH, STAKEHOLDER AND FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, UH, COMMUNITY WORKSHOP AND ADDITIONAL POP-UP EVENTS. 
          AND THEN WE MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS AS THE, THE PLAN, THE DRAFT PLAN IS DEVELOPED. 
          UH, THIS IS BRINGING THEM BOTH TOGETHER. 
          SO NOW WE'VE OVERLAID THE PLAN PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND SHOWING WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW SOME OF THOSE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES WILL, WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, SOME OF THE KEY OUTREACH ACTIVITIES UNDER THE AREAS OF STAKEHOLDER AND FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, UH, PLAN VISIONING, SOME EXAMPLES OF POPUP EVENTS, OPEN HOUSE ACTIVITIES AND COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THAT BRINGS US BACK THEN TO, UH, THE WORKING GROUP MODEL, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PARTNERS WORKING GROUP. 
          AND AGAIN, THE GOALS OF THE GROUP WOULD BE TO, UH, TO BUILD AND SUPPORT COMMUNITY TRUST DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS, AMPLIFYING OUTREACH EFFORTS, ENHANCING, UH, COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, AND REALLY SERVING TO SUPPORT THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WORK BY CONNECTING US WITH THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THE MEMBERS OF, UH, THE WORKING GROUP. 
          SO THE IDEA IS THAT THAT COMMUNICATION WOULD FLOW BOTH UPWARD TO THE PLANNING TEAM THROUGH, IN PART, THROUGH THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE MEMBERS CAN TAKE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS BACK TO THEIR CONSTITUENCIES, WHETHER THOSE ARE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, EMPLOYERS, BUSINESSES, INSTITUTIONS, AND SO FORTH. 
          AND SO IT WOULD, IN INTERACT, WE DID THIS BASED UPON, UH, THE INTERACTIONS WITH THE PLAN PROCESS IN A FORMAL MANNER, IN THE FORM OF BRINGING THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS TOGETHER, OR REALLY BASED UPON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE PLAN. 
          SO THERE WAS A QUESTION TO STAFF, UM, POSED BY THE COUNCIL THAT WE RESPONDED TO THIS AFTERNOON, WOULD WE CONVENE THE WORKING GROUP ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR EVERY TWO MONTHS? GIVEN THAT IT'S A VERY COMPRESSED PLANNING EFFORT. 
          AND, UH, THIS OF COURSE, IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THAT WE LOOK AT IT AS SORT OF A POINTS IN TIME OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO COMMITTING TO A MONTHLY CONVENING, UM, IN PART BECAUSE THEN IT ALIGNS WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT THEN ALSO THE GOAL OF THE WORKING GROUP IS TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY EFFICIENT, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE TIME SPENT, UH, CONVENING THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL AS THE COST. 
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SO THE KEY WORKING GROUP FEATURES, IT WOULD BE INFORMAL IN A STAFF FACILITATED WORKING GROUP, IT'S ADVISORY AND NATURE. 
          AND IT SEEKS TO AMPLIFY THE OUTREACH EFFORTS OF THE PLANNING PROJECT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ESTABLISHED WITH THE IDEA THAT THE MEMBERS ARE BEST POSITIONED TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          THEY'RE INTERACTING WITH THEIR CONSTITUENCIES, THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THEIR CONSTITUENCIES, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THOSE TO, UM, THE PLANNING TEAM ALONG WITH THE OTHER EFFORTS OF PUBLIC OUTREACH AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE FOR INDIVIDUALS TO, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH THE PLANNING TEAM. 
          UM, ANOTHER, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO BROWN ACT, ALTHOUGH ALL OF ITS MEETINGS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD SEEK TO BUILD LONG ENDURING COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS THAT WOULD EXTEND FAR BEYOND THE PLANNING EFFORT AND REALLY BECOME THE BASIS FOR THE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          THAT IS A, UH, KEY FEATURE OF SPECIFIC PLANS. 
          SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES, UH, IT'S SELF-SUPPORTED NON-GI, LEGISLATIVE AND ADVISORY. 
          AS I SAID, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO BROWN ACT. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD ASSIST WITH FOCUSED OUTREACH. 
          IT SEEKS TO FACILITATE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION, AMPLIFY OUTREACH, AND PROVIDE TARGETED, UH, FEEDBACK. 
          AND THEN, UH, MEMBERS WOULD BE INVITED TO, TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS, UM, TO BE CHOSEN TO PARTICIPATE. 
          UH, AND IT WOULD BE BASED ON CITY COUNCIL INPUT, AS WELL AS REFERRALS FROM THE COUNCIL AND FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE MEETINGS WOULD BE CONVENED AS NEEDED BASED UPON THE PLANNING PROJECT. 
          UH, THEY WOULD BE INFORMAL IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WOULD BE DISCUSSION ORIENTED. 
          THE, UH, THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WOULD BOTH BE RECEIVING SOME OF THE, UH, PRODUCTION OR DELIVERABLES FROM THE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, FOR, FOR INPUT AND COMMENT AS WELL AS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, RESPOND LOOKING FORWARD IN THE PLANNING PROCESS TO HELP THE PLANNING, UH, TEAM UNDERSTAND HOW BEST TO IMPLEMENT THE NEXT STEPS. 
          AND THEN THE BUDGET IMPACT WOULD BE MINIMAL. 
          UM, THERE IS A MODEST BUDGET FOR REFRESHMENT AND MATERIALS THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT BUDGET. 
          SO NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED, UH, GIVEN UNDER THE CURRENT SCOPE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE CONVENED BY THE, UM, STAFF WHO ARE MANAGING AND IMPLEMENTING THE PLANNING PROJECT. 
          AGAIN, THE ROLES OF THE, THE, UH, MEMBERS WOULD BE TO PARTICIPATE IN DI DISCUSSION SESSIONS, FACILITATE ACCESSIBILITY ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, DISSEMINATE ACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO USE THE MEMBERS TO, UH, BE ABLE TO SHARE INFORMATION AND BE RESOURCES FOR OTHER CONSTITUENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IMPORTANTLY ALSO IS TO BE ABLE TO REFLECT UPON, UH, THE COMMUNITY'S LIVED EXPERIENCES AND HAVE THOSE LIVED EXPERIENCES BECOME FULLY INTEGRATED INTO THE PLAN PROCESS, UH, TO SUPPORT INCLUSION AND TRANSPARENCY, AND FINALLY PROVIDE CONTEXTUAL INSIGHT. 
          SO THE, THE SCOPE OF THE WORKING GROUP RIGHT NOW, THE COMPOSITION PROPOSED IS AT LEAST 12 MEMBERS, UH, FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS. 
          AND THEN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE, UM, CCB SUCH AS PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, PAC, AND THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THEY WOULD ALSO BE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE, HOWEVER, THEIR MEMBERSHIP WOULD NOT, UH, EXCEED MORE THAN THAN 50% OF ANY OF THE, OF ANY ONE CCB, UM, IN ORDER TO AVOID A BROWN ACT CONVENING. 
          SO AGAIN, SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS APPROACH, THIS WORKING GROUP MODEL, IS THAT IT'S FLEXIBLE. 
          IT CAN BE OPTIMIZED TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. 
          IT CAN BE TIED SPECIFICALLY TO THE, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S EFFICIENT AND IT CAPITALIZES ON SCOPED WORK PRODUCTS. 
          UH, SO THERE'S MINIMAL BUDGET IMPACT. 
          AND, UM, AS CURRENTLY SCOPED TO NO ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR FUNDING, THE DELIVERABLES WOULD OF COURSE, BE A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES, UH, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY, UH, GOAL AND DELIVERABLE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, TO BE ABLE TO SUMMARIZE COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, FOR INTEGRATION INTO THE, THE PLANNING EFFORT, UH, FOCUSED PARTICIPATION IN OUTREACH ACTIVITIES. 
          AND THEN, UM, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE QUOTES, TESTIMONIALS, AND SHARE, UH, THE LIVED EXPERIENCES IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE PLAN PROCESS. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE COMPOSITION OF THE WORKING GROUP, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE NUMBER 12 IS, UM, IS JUST, SEEMS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER TO BE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT 
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ALSO FOR THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER IT. 
          BUT CERTAINLY IT COULD BE MORE THAN 12, UM, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION. 
          BUT WE WOULD LOOK, UH, AT, UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, UM, BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES, HEALTHCARE, UH, CERTAINLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, PETALUMA VALLEY HOSPITAL, AS WELL AS THE, UH, OUR OTHER INSTITUTIONAL ANCHOR, THE JUNIOR COLLEGE, UM, THE COMMISSION, OR CCB REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEN ONE TO TWO GPAC REPRESENTATIVES TO REALLY BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WORK THAT IS SO, UH, FOUNDATIONAL TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT. 
          SO THE PROPOSED ACTION, UH, THAT STAFF IS ASKING, UH, COUNCIL TO TAKE ON IN THIS WORKSHOP THIS EVENING IS TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE PROPOSED WORKING GROUP COMPOSITION, UH, PURSUANT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OFFERED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND, UH, THEN ANY OTHER INPUT ON THE PROPOSED OUTREACH. 
          AND THEN, UM, FINALLY TO REFLECT UPON, AGAIN, THE COMPOSITION. 
          UM, THERE WE GO. 
          UH, LISTING OUT THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES, EXAMPLES, UH, HEALTHCARE REPRESENTATIVES, CCB REPRESENTATIVES, GPAC, AND THEN NEWER EMERGING BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES AND THE JUNIOR COLLEGE. 
          AND SO MAYOR, WITHOUT THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          AND I, I, I THINK, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE CITY HAS TAKEN SOME CRITICISM, UH, FOR ITS EFFECTIVENESS OF SOME OF ITS PAST, UH, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND, UH, UM, I THINK, UH, NOT WITHOUT SOME CAUSE AND ALSO IN PART BECAUSE IT IS SO HARD TO ACTUALLY GET, UM, GOOD PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO FOCUSING ON WHAT CREATES THAT, I THINK IS THE GREAT CONVERSATION WE WANT TO HAVE HERE TONIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT TEAM DOES GIVE US GREAT ENGAGEMENT, AND SO THIS MOMENT NOW WILL BE, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE WILL THEN GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, ON THE TOPIC AND WE'LL COME BACK AND I ASSUME WHEN BACK WILL BE THE ROBUST PART OF THE DIALOGUE. 
          AND THE QUE THE QUESTION PART NOW WILL BE VERY SUCCINCT. 
          SO, UM, WHO AND COUNCIL HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS? WELL, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, ARE WE HERE TO DISCUSS THE WHOLE THING OR JUST THE FORMING OF THIS GROUP? 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. 
          SURE. 
          I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S WORKSHOP IS TO DISCUSS THE FORMATION OF THE WORKING GROUP. 
          SO TO EXPLORE THAT MODEL SPECIFICALLY. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S HELPFUL TO SHARE ABOUT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT EFFORT, THEN CERTAINLY IF THAT WOULD INFORM QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR DISCUSSION. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE, THE RESOURCES TO DELVE DEEPLY INTO A PARTICULAR COMPONENT OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NO POINT, UH, OF DISCUSSING THE, THE SHAPE OR THE LOCATIONS OF, OF THE ACTUAL, UM, PROPERTIES, UH, THAT IN THE MAP. 
          HMM. 
          DO YOU WANT, WOULD THAT BE, DID WE DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT? I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON THE WORKSHOP THAT'S AT HAND. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN TO SAY THAT CONVERSATION IS FORTHCOMING. 
          SO AS, UM, ANDREW ALLUDED TO WITH THE TIMELINE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PULL THAT BACK UP. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS BEFORE WE DO A DEEP DIVE TO TALK ABOUT SHAPE SIZE, UM, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD BE COMING WITH THE FULL TEAM, SO THE, THE TEAM OF CONSULTANTS, UM, TO HELP HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE OF, UH, TWO, A COUPLE CONCERNS. 
          ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS, UH, TYING IT TO THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS, WHICH REALLY NEED TO GET DONE BY AND IMPROVED AND DONE AND PUT TO BED BY DECEMBER 26. 
          AND THIS, AND THIS IS EXTENDING OUT AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, I WOULD NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE EVEN STARTING THIS PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO TALK 'EM, TALK AND TALK AND TALK PRO PRODUCE A HUNDRED PAGE REPORT ABOUT ALL THE TALKING AND NOTHING ACTUALLY GETS DONE AT THE END OR GETS CONTRIBUTED. 
          SO THE TIMELINE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TIMELINE. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY END BY JUNE OF 26 IF WE'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING AT ALL. 
          AND, UM, THE TIMELINE FOR THE INPUT, UH, I I I FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE SHORTENED TO TWO MONTHS TOTAL. 
          WE'RE NOT SIX MONTHS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION, RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA SAY, CAN THE, AND THE, UM, ANYWAY, SO ARE THOSE THINGS UP FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS OR IS WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF 
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THE GROUP TONIGHT? I WOULD FOCUS ON THE COMPOSITION, UM, AND THE DIRECTION. 
          'CAUSE REALLY THIS IS PART OF A LARGER OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY. 
          SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO INFORM HOW WE CAN ROLL OUT, PERHAPS CUT SOME TIME DOWN. 
          UH, BUT REALLY WE NEED TO SET AN EXPECTATION ON THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT UP FRONT SO THAT WE DON'T GO SIX, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS DOWN THE LINE, UM, EXPECTING SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND THEN THAT'S SORT OF, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE THE DELAYS ARE HAPPENING. 
          UM, I AM KEENLY AWARE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO CONCLUDE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, AND I ASSURE YOU THIS IS NOT TAKING, UM, ANY ATTENTION AWAY FROM THAT. 
          UH, THE OTHER PIECE I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION, UM, THERE'S ALSO ENGAGEMENT FATIGUE. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, THERE IS A, I THINK A STRATEGIC REASON FOR US TO START THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, UPDATE, UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT SEEMING LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANS FOR THE NEXT DECADE, UM, AS WE KICKED OFF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IN 2021. 
          UM, SO THE TIMING, UM, I I BELIEVE IS, UM, ON POINT MTC BELIEVES IT'S ON POINT. 
          UM, AND REALLY WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A FOCUSED DISCUSSION ON HOW THE ENGAGEMENT, HOW THIS SPECIFIC COMPONENT OF THE ENGAGEMENT FITS INTO THE LARGER TIMELINE. 
          UM, AND SO LONG AS WE CAN HIT THAT, THEN WE CAN, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SHORTENING THE TIMELINE, ET CETERA. 
          BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE ENGAGEMENT PART, FOR THE, UH, NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, FOR THE FOLKS ENGAGED, THEN, UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR ACTUAL ASSIGNMENTS MIGHT BE AS AN INDIVIDUALS ONCE THEY JOIN. 
          ARE THEY GOING TO BE, UM, REQUIRED OVER BETWEEN THE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CANVAS ALL SORTS OF THINGS, CANVAS OTHER PEOPLE, GRAB ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE GROUP FOR EFFORT? ARE THEY GONNA BE THE KEY PEOPLE TO GATHER INFORMATION? ARE THEY THERE JUST TO ADVISE YOU ON HOW TO GATHER THE INFORMATION? I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, WE GATHER INFORMATION IN A VARIETY OF MANNERS. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN, UM, QUITE A LOT OF DATA THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND DELIVERED IT TO THE PLANNING TEAM, UM, AS PART OF THEIR, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WORK THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE TEAM HAS HELD FOCUS GROUPS WITH SEVERAL OF THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS. 
          UH, WE'RE PREPARING FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, LATER THIS MONTH AS WELL AS IN DECEMBER. 
          UH, THE, THE VISIONING, THE DAY LONG VISIONING CHARETTE, UM, AND ASSOCIATED COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ONGOING, UM, AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WOULD CONVENE THE WORKING GROUP. 
          WHAT WE'RE HOPING FROM THE WORKING GROUP IS THAT BASED UPON THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEIR CONSTITUENCIES AND WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SHARE INFORMATION ON BEHALF OF US AND BRING INFORMATION BACK TO US THAT MAY BE MORE NUANCED AND MORE UNIQUE THAN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO GATHER THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE BEING PLANNED. 
          OTHERWISE, THE POP POP-UP EVENTS, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T WORK IN EXCLUSION TO ANY OF THE OTHER ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES OR TO THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          IT WORKS ALONGSIDE IT AND THEN BECOMES, UM, AN ADDITIONAL UNIQUE POINT OF INTERACTION TO SUPPORT ENGAGEMENT AND THEN TO SUPPORT, UM, THE, THE PLANNING TEAM'S KNOWLEDGE, DEVELOPMENT AND EXECUTION. 
          RIGHT? SO I'D BE, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORKFLOW OF WHAT THESE INDIVIDUALS, IF I'M, IF, IF I WAS TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND I OFFERED TO BE THERE. 
          SO THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S EXPECTED OF ME AND WHAT, UM, WHAT I NEED TO DO AND WHY I'M MEETING EVERY SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS. 
          SO, UM, AND WHY IS IT EVERY SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS? AND THEN WHAT, WHAT AM I EXPECTED TO DO KIND OF IN BETWEEN THAT PERIOD OF TIME? HOW MUCH WORK DO I NEED TO DO? HOW MANY HOURS DO I HAVE TO BE THERE? DO WE HAVE THE NUMBER RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OF WORK THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXPECTING TO GET DONE? SO I'M LOOKING AT HOLISTICALLY, IF THIS TEAM IS STRONG ENOUGH, LARGE ENOUGH TO DO THE ACTIONS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS TYPE OF OUTREACH, WHICH IS PRETTY INTENSE. 
          UM, UM, OR DO YOU JUST NEED FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO DO OUTREACH TO, TO MAKE THAT ALL HAPPEN AND, AND FIVE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND DO THAT OUTREACH IN IN TWO MONTHS? COULD THEY DO IT IN JUST TWO MONTHS FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED? UM, OR DO YOU 
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ACTUALLY NEED THEM TO HAVE, CREATE IDEAS AND HAVE THEM SHARE THOSE IDEAS OUT, COME BACK NEW IDEAS, HAVE THEM SHARE OUT NEW IDEAS AND HAVE 'EM COME BACK. 
          SO IT'S A REITERATIVE, IS THAT THE PROCESS, A REITERATIVE PROCESS? SO IT'S JUST LIKE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THE HOLISTIC APPROACH FOR THE VOLUME OF WORK, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IT'S BEING DONE, THE, THE RESULT THAT'S GOING . 
          AND SO WE SHOULD ALLOW THE ANSWER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR BACK IS, IS THAT TYPE OF HOLISTIC APPROACH. 
          WHAT UM, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HEAR. 
          NOT NOT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN FIVE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK FOR FIVE PEOPLE, BUT A A A WORKING GROUP OF 20 IS A LOT TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, AND TO CONVENE AND TO, TO ADMINISTER THOSE MEETINGS AND SUCH. 
          SO IT IS TRYING TO FIND THE BALANCE, BUT I THINK A A LOT OF THE SIZE DEPENDS UPON THE RESPONSE THAT WE WOULD GET TO THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU, IF IF WE HAVE APPLICANTS WHO ARE REPRESENTING CONSTITUENCIES AND WHO ARE DEMONSTRATING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE THE PLANNING PROCESS OUT TO THEIR CONSTITUENCIES TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORT, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM ON THE WORKING GROUP. 
          UH, AND, AND WE WOULD WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT, UM, AND NOT LIMITED BASED UPON AN ARBITRARY NUMBER IF MAY WE'RE WE ARE GONNA TRY AND GET TO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE BOTH DEALING IN CONCEPTS, AND I THINK WE WANT TO BRING IT DOWN TO NUMBERS. 
          SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT A MANAGEABLE NUMBER, WHICH EACH OF US MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU WISH TO HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS THEY FEEL YEAH. 
          OF THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEIR INTEREST ALLOWS AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES ALLOWS. 
          SO IT'S NOT A FIXED NUMBER. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND SO WE'LL OPEN TO VERY MUCH, WE'RE OPEN TO EXPERTISE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IS NO SPECIFIC OKAY. 
          BY THAT, THAT'S A MUCH BETTER ANSWER TO WHAT I WAS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I KNOW, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, YOU LISTED A NUMBER OF, UH, SORT OF POSITIONS FROM IDEAL GROUPS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARTICIPATION FROM. 
          IF, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T GET INTERESTED APPLICANTS THAT SORT OF NEATLY FIT THAT, BUT YOU RECEIVED OTHER QUALIFIED APPLICANTS, WOULD THEY BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF ONE OF THOSE, THOSE PREDEFINED GROUPS? NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          NOT AT ALL. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FAIRLY STANDARD STAKEHOLDER GROUPS FOR A PLANNING PROCESS THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT ALL. 
          THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, FOR INSTANCE, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF EMERGING BUSINESS TYPES, EMERGING SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND DOING SOME VERY INTERESTING WORK IN THE STUDY AREA. 
          UH, AND IT WOULD BE, UH, GREAT TO HAVE THEM AS A GROUP TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THEY FACE AS, YOU KNOW, SMALL STARTUP BUSINESSES OR AS CREATIVE TYPES, UM, TRYING TO FIND A PLACE IN THE STUDY AREA SO THAT THEY WOULD BE JUST AS VALUABLE AS, UM, SAY A CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FRIEDMANS OR, OR A LARGER ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT. 
          SURE. 
          I JUST HAD IN MIND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO DIDN'T FIT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIGNATED CRITERIA, BUT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST IN, UM, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KATE THOMPSON. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS IF WE'D BE LOOKING FOR MAYBE A STUDENT FROM SRJC OR SONOMA STATE, BECAUSE SONOMA STATE HAS, YOU KNOW, A PROGRAM WITH GEOGRAPHY, UM, ENVIRONMENT ENGINEERING AND PLANNING AND BRING A STUDENT IN. 
          AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GETTING THE NAME OF THE, WHOEVER TEACHES THIS PROGRAM AND I WILL GET IT TO YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REAL VALUE TO BRING, UM, A COLLEGE STUDENT IN THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS OF QUESTIONS, RIGHT? HMM. 
          NOTHING. 
          OH, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SEE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENTED MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, LIKE WITH, UM, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME GOOD PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS OR SO LIKE ONE PERSON FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAYBE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, THAT'S, WE WERE ANTICIPATING THAT WE WOULD HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, AT LEAST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM PBA AND FROM THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERHAPS EVEN THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, GPAC, UH, WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THE GENERAL PLAN, WE ALSO DO HAVE, UH, 
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THE NAMES OF, OF STUDENT LEADERS FROM THE JUNIOR COLLEGE, THE, THE JUNIOR COLLEGE IS VERY EXCITED TO HAVE STUDENTS PARTICIPATE IN THIS PLANNING EFFORT, AS IS, UM, ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS OVER IN EAST PETALUMA. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM AS WELL. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, SONOMA STATE, UM, REFERENCE AND SUGGESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY DO DO HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM UP THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          SO THE FORMATION OF THIS GROUP IS REALLY BASED ON OUTREACH, RIGHT? IT'S DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING THE CONSULTANT AT LEAST 1.2 MILLION, CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WONDER WHY, 'CAUSE I THINK I, OUR STAFF'S PRETTY GOOD AT OUTREACH, RIGHT? AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, HOW COME STAFF ISN'T DOING THIS SORT OF THING THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND BY DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING 1.2 MILLION INTO OUR BUDGET FROM THAT GRANT, YOU KNOW, IN WHICHEVER BUCKET IT NEEDS TO GO INTO, BUT HELPING ON ONE HAND, UH, CHIP AWAY AT THAT AND TO DEVELOP IT. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          JUST, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, WE AREN'T ANTICIPATING THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PARTNERS TO BE ACTIVELY DOING THE ENGAGEMENT. 
          WE PERKINS AND WILL HAS, UM, A TEAM PLAN TO PLACE, WHICH WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, UM, THAT WE'LL WE'LL BE DOING, WE'LL BE ORGANIZING, WE'LL BE FACILITATING, UM, THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING A PLANNING PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE VOICE OF THOSE THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED, DIRECTLY IMPACTED. 
          UM, THERE IS STAFF TIME OF THAT $1.1 MILLION GRANT SET ASIDE FOR OUR STAFF TO OVERSEE AND PROJECT MANAGE. 
          SO THERE'S A, A CARVE OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO WE ARE MAJORITY, BUT THE MAJORITY IS TO THEM CORRECT THEM BEING THE PERKIN, SO THE PERKINS AND WILL, YEAH. 
          SO THERE WAS A SCOPE THAT WAS SENT OUT, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 800, 850. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY THE ONES, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          SO, UH, PART OF THE INSPIRATION, UM, THAT WE'RE DRAWING FROM IS OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, RIGHT? SO WE, WE, UM, HAVE A GROUP, A VERY DIVERSE SET OF, AND I THINK MORE OR LESS 12 ARE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS EVEN FOR THAT ONE, UH, FOR THAT GROUP. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES, THEY'RE THE, THE VOICES, THE LEADERS, UM, WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE HELPING TO ADVISE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SENDING, UH, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING PEOPLE TO, TO, TO KNOCK ON DOORS PER SE. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY TO HELP, UH, PLAY THIS ADVISORY ROLE TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY STAFF. 
          UH, SO WE GET THIS THING RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE, UH, THE SLIDE DECK THAT WAS UP EARLIER TALKED ABOUT GETTING THE PLAN. 
          WE GOTTA GET THE VISION RIGHT, UM, UH, FROM THE START. 
          WE NEED TO, UH, COME UP WITH SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES, VERY MUCH LIKE THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO STAY ON TRACK, MAKE SURE THIS PLAN ACTUALLY, UM, DOES WHAT WE WANT IT TO, UM, WHICH IS HOW DO WE CREATE THIS TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITY AROUND OUR NEW SECOND TRAIN STATION? HOW, HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THAT TO BE A CREATION FOR NEW BUSINESSES, NEW ECONOMY, ET CETERA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WANTED TO KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE TO WHAT YOU SAID. 
          WERE YOU SUGGESTING THAT GPAC HAD THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORITY TO PUSH THAT 1.2 MILLION TOWARDS A CONSULTANT? THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, SO SEPARATE PROJECT, GENERAL PLAN, UM, DID NOT HAVE, UH, GRANT FUNDING ATTACHED TO IT. 
          SO THIS IS A SEPARATE, UH, GRANT, UM, FUNDED THROUGH OUR METROPOLITAN, UM, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. 
          UH, SO THERE'S NO CONNECTION. 
          I WAS, THE CONNECTION I WAS MAKING WAS JUST, UH, WE HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE OVERARCHING GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A, A FAIRLY STANDARD WAY, UH, TO HAVE THE LOCAL VOICES REPRESENT, UM, AND HELP INFORM, UH, A CITY PLANNING PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I'LL SAVE THE REST OF HER COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, VICE MAYOR, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE, CAN WE ALSO REACH OUT TO THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL? I MET TWICE NOW WITH THE PETALUMA HIGH, AND I KNOW CASA GRANDE IS NEARBY, 
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AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME FUTURE, UH, PETALUMA IN THEIR CLASSES. 
          THAT WOULD BE PERFECT TO BE ON THAT, UM, COMMITTEE. 
          AND ALSO OUR SENIOR POPULATION. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES AND A LOT OF SENIORS IN THAT AREA, AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, UM, THAN THE REST OF US DO. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. 
          ALSO, WE HAVE, UM, A SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ENGLISH IS A SECOND LANGUAGE, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORRY ABOUT INTERPRETATION, INTER INTERPRETERS AT THESE MEETINGS OR THE MATERIAL AND MORE THAN JUST ENGLISH. 
          AND, UM, ALSO THAT AREA IS RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR AGRICULTURAL, UH, PROPERTIES. 
          AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO REACH OUT AND MAYBE GET A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THOSE, MAYBE PROPERTY OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS. 
          UM, I HEARD A LOT OVER THE WEEKEND HOW HAY TRUCKS CAN'T DO ROUNDABOUTS, SO, UM, AND THERE WAS A BIG ROUNDABOUT THERE, AND I'M LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND ARE THE MEETINGS GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? UH, YES TO THE LAST QUESTION. 
          UM, IF THE MEETINGS WILL BE OPEN, UM, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WE WILL, UM, ADVERTISE 'EM AS SUCH. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UH, I BELIEVE PERKINS AND WILL IS CONTRACTED TO DO MEETING NOTES, AND THEN WE'LL POST ALL THAT, UM, ON THE WEBSITE, AND WE'LL BE PROVIDING REGULAR UPDATES, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, BOTH TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE AG, UM, COMPONENT, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE DRIVERS TO, UM, WANT TO DO A SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          SO THIS GOES BACK TO 1989. 
          UM, DIRECTOR MOORE, UH, WAS LIKELY IN ONE OF THESE SEATS HERE, , UM, TALKING ABOUT THE ELI, UH, CORONA SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          AND SO THAT WAS TRUE. 
          I MEAN, THAT WAS REALLY THE LAST TIME, UM, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 650 ACRES AS WE STARTED TO EXPAND THE EAST SIDE NORTHBOUND. 
          UM, UH, THAT WAS REALLY WHEN THE LAST TIME WE SORT OF HAD A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND, UH, NOW WE'RE PRESENTED WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, REGIONAL TRANSIT CONNECTOR. 
          UM, AND SO A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN AND AROUND THE DOWNTOWN STATION, UM, YOU KNOW, IT BEHOOVES US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND THE NEW STATION. 
          UH, THIS WAS ALSO, THIS DIRECTLY TIES INTO COUNCIL'S LEADERSHIP AND THE COMMUNITY SHOWING UP TO EXTEND OUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, UH, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT ANY FUTURE ANNEXATION, UM, THAT, UH, IS UP FOR DISCUSSION, UM, HAS A LOT OF THESE SIMILAR THEMES IN MIND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE. 
          UM, AND SO THERE IS A LITTLE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY LITTLE, BUT IT'S, UM, I'S A PIECE OF THE PIE AROUND THE STATION, UM, THAT HAS, UM, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME, UM, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE THOUGHTFULLY DO THAT? UM, IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IF COUNCIL DECIDES, UM, THAT'S A PLACE WE WANNA CONSIDER AS A COMMUNITY, AND WE WANNA TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT, UM, WE SHOULD BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SPECIFIC PLAN DOES. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, ALSO, IF A MEMBER OF THE FOCUS GROUP NEEDS TO LEAVE THE GROUP, WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PROCESS TO REPLACE THAT MEMBER? UM, WE HAVE THAT CURRENTLY WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY RESIGN, WE HAVE TO PUT IT PLA IN PLACE, ANOTHER PERSON, OR DECIDE TO KEEP IT VACANT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          WE ABSOLUTELY KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER THAN THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE MULTI-YEAR PROCESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO THE BEST OF OUR COMMUNITY'S ABILITY, UM, THEY TRY TO STICK WITH IT FOR THE LONG HAUL. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT MOVE OUT OF THE AREA. 
          WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          THIS GOES BACK TO COUNCILMAN, UM, QUINT'S, UM, QUESTION ABOUT ARE WE GONNA BE SO RESTRICTIVE? UM, AND WE JUST, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          AND SO IF A, A PARTICULAR VOICE, MAYBE THERE'S, UM, UH, A YOUTH VOICE THAT, UM, IS ENGAGED FROM THE START DROPS OFF, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE A REALLY HARD CONVER, UH, THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT REPLACING THAT VOICE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT CONTINUITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE HAVE, UH, NO DROP OFFS, BUT WE'LL BE READY, UM, IF 
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AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE A VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANT FAIR REPRESENTATION OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT GOAL. 
          I'M SURE, UH, WE ALL AGREE. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WOULD, IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I'VE ALREADY, LIKE REACHED, I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO BRODY RANCH FOR QUITE A WHILE, JUST LETTING HIM KNOW THIS IS PROCESS IS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE REPRESENTED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW HOW MANY REPRESENTATIVES FROM LIKE AN AREA LIKE BRODY RANCH VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, AND, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MY QUESTION'S MORE, UM, LOOKING BACK ON THE ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WE'VE MADE ON THE GENERAL PLAN AND ON THE OVERLAY AND OTHER THINGS, AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE ENGAGEMENT WE WANT FROM THE PUBLIC WHEN WE WANT IT. 
          AND SO, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT DIFFERENT ON THIS ONE. 
          AND, AND SO FOR ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE MORE INTENSE IS MORE PO YOU GET BETTER ENGAGEMENT IF YOU RUN AN INTENSE, CAN WE SHORTEN THE SCHEDULE? CAN WE HIT THOSE MEETINGS EARLIER? UM, EVEN IF IT MEANS STAFF NOT READY TO START THE DATE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA START, JUST SO YOU HAVE CONTENT. 
          AND DON'T LOSE EVERYBODY'S FOCUS. 
          CAN WE RUN A MUCH TIGHTER SCHEDULE ON THIS AND STILL GET QUALITY? I BELIEVE WE CAN. 
          UM, I THINK ALSO HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, OTHER ENTITIES, UM, IN PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, HAVING A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH DAVE WALDEN, UM, WITH URBAN CHAT, UH, ON HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE PEOPLE ENGAGING WITH OUR COMMUNITY? HOW ARE WE GETTING A REPRESENTATION, REPRESENTATION, A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF OUR COMMUNITY? UM, AND WE HAVE TO CREATE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE INTERESTING. 
          UM, WE'VE STARTED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS TO WORK WITH, UM, UH, ONE OF OUR CITY STAFF MEMBERS, UH, WHO HAS BEEN ORGANIZING, UH, THESE MEETUPS, UM, THROUGH, UM, JOHN CROWLEY'S, UM, EFFORTS, UH, TO ENGAGE WITH YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, UM, MOST YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AS THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP, RIGHT? WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE NEED, UH, ARE ENGAGING WITH THEM IN A WAY. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF THAT IS THE ONLINE MEDIUM. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. 
          HOW DO WE GET MORE PARTICIPATION? SO WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE. 
          WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR, UM, PARTNERS ON THE GROUND THAT ARE DOING GOOD WORK IN THIS SPACE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME TIME SHAVED OFF AND BE EFFECTIVE. 
          I THINK I, I THINK WE'LL LOOK TO TURN, UH, INTENTIONAL THINGS INTO CONTRACTUAL THINGS SO THAT WE HAVE DEADLINES AND HOLD TO THEM. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY, YOU HAD A ONLY QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE MORE THAT CAME UP. 
          UM, THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THE GROUP, IS IT GONNA BE A LOTTERY SYSTEM SIMILAR TO WHAT HEALTHY DEMOCRACY DID? OR LIKE, HOW, HOW ARE PEOPLE REALLY GONNA BE PICKED FOR THIS? THAT'S A, A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THIS WORKSHOP IS ABOUT. 
          IF, IF THERE IS AN INTEREST, UH, FOR US TO, UH, LOOK AT ASSEMBLING THE GROUP, UH, A CERTAIN WAY, UH, WHAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO IS WE WOULD OPEN UP A RECRUITMENT. 
          UM, I'VE DONE THIS IN, IN THE PAST. 
          UM, IT WOULD NOT BE ATYPICAL, UM, TO SOLICIT, UM, INTEREST, UH, THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          UH, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS, UM, HAVING THE RIGHT, UM, CITY STAFF GO THROUGH AND, AND MAKE, UM, A, A SELECTION THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT THE WORKSHOP'S FOR. 
          SO IF THERE'S, UH, A WAY THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO PROCEED, UM, THIS IS A TIME TO OPINE. 
          WELL, I, I GUESS WHAT WOULD MAYBE HELP DETERMINE SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALSO IS WHAT, I KNOW YOU'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT IN, IN A BROADER SCOPE, BUT WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING FOR THE GROUP TO DO? BECAUSE THE DEFINED AREA IS PROBABLY AT LEAST 80% DEVELOPED. 
          SO ARE WE TRYING TO LEAD 'EM IN A DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE LOOK AT ALL THESE AREAS THAT ARE, I MEAN, THEY'RE HOU MOST MOSTLY HOUSES, YOU KNOW, OF DIFFERENT TYPES. 
          UM, ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING FOR THEM TO SAY THAT, WELL, MAYBE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE SOMEDAY. 
          IS THAT WHAT STAFF 
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SUGGESTING? OR, OR ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT THE SMALLER, UNDEVELOPED AREA WITHIN, WITHIN THE DEFINED AREA? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. 
          SO I'M GONNA TRY TO PIVOT AND, UM, GET ANDREW'S SLIDE DECK UP ON MY COMPUTER. 
          UH, SHORT ANSWER THOUGH IS WHAT'S BEFORE US. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PHASE, WE'RE GONNA SHIFT, UH, ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE TO THE PLAN VISION. 
          AND SO IF THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS IDENTIFIES A VISION OF, I'M JUST GONNA PUT THAT OUT THERE, NO CHANGE, RIGHT? WE, WE SEE THAT THERE'S A NEW TRAIN STATION. 
          UM, WE, UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, THERE ISN'T A DESIRE, THERE ISN'T AN APPETITE TO LOOK AT THE NORTH END OF TOWN SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY WITH THE NEW TRAIN STATION THAT'S GONNA COME UP IN THE VISION, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GET, UH, A DIVERSE SET OF VOICES AND PARTICIPATION TO HELP FORM THAT VISION. 
          UH, NOT JUST IN AND AROUND THE STATION, UH, BUT ALONG THE CORRIDOR. 
          UM, BRODY RANCH WAS, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT'S ONE OF OUR NEWER HOUSING STOCK. 
          I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT TO, TO REDEVELOP IN, IN SOME WAY. 
          UM, IT'S QUITE ESTABLISHED. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED THOSE VOICES TO SAY, OKAY, AS WE START TO LOOK AT THESE OTHER AREAS, UM, UH, ALONG MCDOWELL, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR ANNEXATION, HOW SHOULD, HOW SHOULD THE CITY BE LOOKING AT IT? UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET IT RIGHT FROM THE START WITH THIS GROUP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT JUST, IT STILL DOESN'T SEEM CLEAR WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO IN, IN THIS AREA. 
          SO, AND SO THAT MAKES IT HARD TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND LIKE, WHO, WHO'S, WHAT IS THE GROUP ABOUT? WELL, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT POINT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS A MAJORITY OF THE AREAS LARGELY DEVELOPED. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ASKING CURRENT RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, WHAT'S MISSING. 
          WHAT IS IT THAT THAT COULD IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, IMPROVE SENSE OF PLACE? UM, IN THE STUDY AREA, WE DO HAVE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AROUND WITHIN THAT HALF MILE OF THE, UM, TRAIN STATION. 
          THERE ARE SOME UN DEVELOP UNDERDEVELOPED PROPERTIES AS WELL AS VACANT PROPERTIES. 
          SO WE COULD SEE, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THERE. 
          AND, AND WE MAY, WE MAY FIND AREAS WITHIN, UM, THE STUDY AREA WHERE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COULD HAPPEN IN A MORE PREFERRED PATTERN THAT WOULD INCREASE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES OR, OR INCREASE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW BUSINESSES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS INITIAL EXISTING CONDITIONS PHASE AND OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH, WITH VARIOUS REPRESENTATIVES AND STAKEHOLDERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S MISSING, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS, WHAT ARE THE WANTS? UM, AND, AND HOW CAN, HOW CAN, YOU KNOW, THE LIVE WORK PLAY EXPERIENCE IN THE STUDY AREA BE ENHANCED? THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I KIND OF WANT TO ASK ON THE BACK OF THAT, I MEAN, WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN DRAFT PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED FOR THE MCDOWELL CORRIDOR ANYWAY. 
          AND, AND, UM, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN TO THIS MEMBER WHAT THEIR LATITUDE IS OR WHAT THEIR VISION SCOPE IS DIFFERING FROM A COMPLETED DRAFT TO A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE MCDOWELL CORRIDOR? AND PIGGYBACKING ON THAT IS, WOULDN'T PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BE MORE LIKELY TO GIVE VALUABLE INPUT AS WELL AS PEOPLE IN THE EXISTING, UH, AREA? I MEAN, I, I, I THINK IF WE'RE SAYING THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA CHANGE, I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE CHANGE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S ALL PLANNING. 
          HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO THE CANDIDATE? WELL, THE, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WHILE IT MAY HAVE ASSIGNED THE LAND OR DESIGNATED LAND USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, IT DIDN'T DO AS DEEP OF A DIVE BECAUSE IT KNEW THAT THE SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD BE LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AND, AND WORKING TO ALIGN, UM, THOSE LAND USES AND, AND APPROACHES TO, TO, UM, OPPORTUNITIES NOT JUST WITH THE GENERAL PLANS, BROAD GOALS AND PRINCIPLES, BUT ALSO TO DEVELOP MORE SPECIFIC GOALS AND PRINCIPLES FOR THE CORRIDOR AND FOR THE STUDY AREA. 
          SO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN AWARE OF THIS SINCE 2023, AND HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SPECIFIC PLAN TO COME FORWARD THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING NOT BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROPERTY DURING 
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THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY THE, UH, POST OFFICE MIGHT CHANGE, WHAT IF THE FOOTPRINT ENDS UP BEING SMALLER? AND SO HOW WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU VISION THAT SITE BEING DEVELOPED? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS SITES AND JUST SEEING WHAT IF ALSO, SO IT'S NOT JUST A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT EXISTING AND THE WHAT IF IN THE FUTURE, AND HOW DID, HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITHIN THE PROCESS? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY DO A ZONING CHANGE OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HYPOTHETICALLY IF THE POST OFFICE SHRUNK? WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT A SPECIFIC PLAN IS THAT IT BOTH ENGAGES THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT ALSO THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS. 
          SO IT CAN LOOK FORWARD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MANY PROPERTIES WHERE THE, THE ZONING MAY NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED, HOW IT'S DEVELOPED AND CURRENTLY USED. 
          BUT WHEN IT IS LOOKING FORWARD 20 YEARS, AND IT IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS, RESEARCH WE LEARNED FROM THE POST OFFICE, THAT PERHAPS THEY DO HAVE A PLAN, UM, TO, TO RESIZE THAT FACILITY BASED UPON DEMAND OR OTHER FACTORS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M USING, YOU KNOW, THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THERE LOOK LIKE AND HOW DO YOU THEN ALIGN YOUR ZONING WITH THE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY EMERGE? OKAY. 
          LET'S TAKE THIS OUT TO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DELIBERATION ON THIS. 
          UM, MAYBE WE HAVE OUR MESSAGING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE DID ACTUALLY RECEIVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT LATE THIS AFTERNOON ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'LL BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND I DO HAVE ONE CARD, BUT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO MY DESK IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO, SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          THANK, SO WE HAVE, UH, DARREN RASON TO LEAD OFF DAVE ALDEN. 
          UM, UP NEXT THREE WHOLE MINUTES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO WITH ALL THIS TIME. 
          UM, SO I, I LOOKED AT THIS QUESTION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MAY BE KIND OF A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. 
          THE FUNDING IS THERE, THE DIRECTION'S ALREADY THERE, BUT I'M THINKING BACK TO WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN KIND OF THING. 
          THAT WAS THE HOTEL FIRST CAME FORWARD. 
          AND ONE OF MY BRILLIANT IDEAS WAS, WHY DON'T WE DO A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN? AND I WAS QUICKLY REGALED WITH STORIES OF GIANT SPECIFIC PLANS THAT SIT UNOPENED SINCE THEY WERE DRAFTED. 
          DID THE TIME AND EFFORT LEAD TO SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTIONABLE? DID IT LEAD TO DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES SUPERIOR THAN JUST THE MARKET OPERATING? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE GOALS? SO WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PLAN MORE, AND I LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THE SITE IS ALREADY PARTIALLY DEVELOPED, OBVIOUSLY IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A MASTER PLAN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS, WHICH THE CITY OWNS TOTAL LATITUDE, A PLANNING PROCESS IS SUPER INFORMATIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THE LATITUDE IN THE WORLD TO DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS THERE. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY EVEN A DOWNTOWN PLAN, THERE'S LIKE HISTORIC RESOURCES TO BUILD AROUND. 
          THERE WERE THOSE OF US AT THAT MEETING. 
          THEY DEVELOPER, A PLANNING DIRECTOR FROM FRESNO TALKING ABOUT THEIR REALLY SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN THAT PLANNED AROUND EVERY HISTORIC RESOURCE. 
          THIS IS AN AREA NOT QUITE LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S NOT PUBLICLY OWNED. 
          THERE'S NOT SOME KIND OF REALLY VALUABLE HISTORIC RESOURCES TO PLAN AROUND. 
          AND I, MAYBE I DIDN'T QUITE READ THIS IN THE SCOPE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THIS LIKE VOIDS FUTURE EIR REQUIREMENTS OR LEADS TO REALLY PREDICTABLE OUTCOMES FOR DEVELOPERS WHERE THEY ALMOST HAVE VERY LITTLE PROJECT LEVEL PLANNING AND MEETINGS SO THAT THIS SPECIFIC PLAN SUDDENLY ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND FACILITATES DEVELOPMENT TO BE MUCH MORE, UH, MUCH EASIER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROUPS AND GETTING REPRESENTATION. 
          PART OF WHAT I READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND I HEARD THE, THE MAYOR SAY IS LIKE, LOOK, WE HAVEN'T DONE GREAT ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE GOOD AT GETTING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR SPECIFIC PLANS LIKE THIS WHERE WE DON'T CONTROL THE OUTCOME OF THE PARCELS AND THE MARKET DOES? WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS WE'RE HOPING TO INTRODUCE THAT PREVENT BAD DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES? I GUESS, LIKE, ARE WE REALLY GONNA GET MORE RESTRICTIVE OR ANYTHING IF PEOPLE AROUND DON'T WANT TALL, DENSE, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT? ARE WE GONNA LIKE, TRY TO USE LOCAL CONTROL TO SUPERSEDE STATE LAW? OR SOMETHING LIKE, SO MUCH OF THE FATE OF THIS AREA FEELS LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN KIND OF MAPPED OUT IN A GENERAL PLAN THAT WILL BE FINISHED. 
          WE'VE GOT STATE LAW THAT'S GONNA DICTATE 
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KIND OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN, REALLY INFLUENCE THE MARKET A LOT MORE THAN THIS PLAN WILL. 
          SO A AGAIN, THIS MAY ALL BE VOID IF THIS IS ALREADY DECIDED. 
          AND I KNOW WE GOT THE GRANT, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE IF YOU GET THE GRANT AND THE STAFF REPORT SAYS IT COULD COST MORE THAN THE GRANT TO DO THIS, DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT? DO WE HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME AND ATTENTION? ARE THERE OTHER WAYS? DO, DO YOU LET THE MARKET TAKE ITS COURSE? 'CAUSE STATE LAW IS SO ALIGNED WITH WHAT OUR GENERAL PLAN SAYS. 
          UM, YEAH, YEAH. 
          LIKE I SAID, WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DOWNTOWN I WAS HIT WITH, THESE PLANS DON'T WORK, SO I DON'T WANNA SEE US SPEND A FEW YEARS ON A PLAN THAT WON'T GET USED, WON'T WORK, AND THE OUTCOMES CAN REALLY BE ATTRIBUTED TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SO JUST WANNA THROW THAT IN THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU DAVE ALDEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE BELLINGER. 
          UH, THERE IS SO MUCH THAT COULD BE SAID HERE, WHAT MR. KUSON JUST SAID. 
          I I COULD PROBABLY CHAT WITH HIM FOR AN HOUR ON THE, ON THE, ON HIS THOUGHTS. 
          BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BELONG ON THIS BODY THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE I SEE IT IN THE LIST AS CURRENTLY LAID OUT. 
          AND I'M TALKING, WHEN I MAKE THESE COMMENTS, I'M REALLY THINKING MORE ABOUT THE ANNEXATION QUADRANT THAN I AM ABOUT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA SUBJECT EXPERT. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY SORT OF SECONDING SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT SAID. 
          I DON'T WANNA MENTION NAMES, WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO HIM TO, TO BRING HIM UP. 
          BUT THERE IS A LOCAL ARCHITECT, GERMAN BORN CZECHOSLOVAK, CZECH REPUBLIC EDUCATED, WHOSE FOCUS WAS ON TRANSFER ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT REAL TALL BUILDINGS, BUT BUILDINGS THAT JUST DELIVER PEOPLE EFFECTIVELY TO TRANSIT. 
          HE'S LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR YEARS. 
          HE LOVES BEING HERE. 
          HE'S NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          HE DOESN'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THIS UH, AREA, BUT HE'D BE SUCH A GREAT PERSON TO HAVE THERE TO FINALLY BRING THAT EXPERIENCE TO BEAR ON SOMETHING THAT PERTAINS TO PETALUMA. 
          SO I THINK SUBJECT EXPERT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR. 
          SECOND, AND I KNOW WE ALREADY DO THIS ON SOME COMMITTEES, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO IT HERE, NON-CITY RESIDENTS, IF WE'RE GONNA ANNEX PROPERTY, WE COULD VERY WELL, IF WE DON'T ALLOW NON-CITY RESIDENTS TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE COULD BE PLANNING FOR SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY ON A, WITH A BODY THAT THEY DON'T GET TO BE PART OF. 
          SO WE NEED TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR NON-CITY RESIDENTS. 
          AND THE LAST, AND THIS MAY NOT FIT WITH WHAT, WHERE SMART WANTS TO BE, BUT PROBABLY THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ABOUT TOD ARE THE SMART STAFF. 
          I WAS AT A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK IN PORTLAND ON TRANSIT AND TOD WITH THE ENTIRE SMART PLANNING STAFF. 
          WE WERE IN ROOMS TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT TODS. 
          WE WEREN'T IN THE SAME FIELD TRIPS, BUT I HOPE THEY TOOK, TOOK SOME OF THE SAME TRIPS I DID TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT AROUND STATIONS IN CITIES ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF PETALUMA. 
          YOU KNOW, THO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE EXPERTS THAT WE NEED TO GET TO THE TABLE TO BRING US VISIONS THAT WE JUST MAYBE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE JUST NEVER HAD A REASON TO DO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT THE ANNEXATION QUADRANT MIGHT BECOME. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DWAYNE BELLINGER IS OUR LAST SPEAKER. 
          THANK, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WAS ESPECIALLY, UH, IMPRESSED WITH MR. O'S, UH, DISCUSSION OF, UH, MICHAEL MOORE'S, UH, UH, WORK ON, UH, GIVING US WHAT THE ARCHITECT'S, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, CAME HERE, UH, WAS IT TWO YEARS AGO NOW, AND CALLED A GEM OF A COMMUNITY IN THE CRONY ELI PLAN. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROCESS BY WHICH THAT COMMUNITY WAS DESIGNED AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING THIS EVENING. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AND, AND, UH, HOW YOU END UP WITH A, A GEM OF A PLAN AND HOW ELSE, UH, YOU ENDED UP WITH THE PARK, UH, ALONG BETWEEN THE, THE RAIL AND, UH, WASHINGTON AS TO HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT PLAN AND JUST, JUST LOOK AT HOW GOOD PLANNING WORKS. 
          AND IT, IT WOULD BE, BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL PROCESS IS WHERE THE BEST COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY WERE PLANNED. 
          AND THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY. 
          UM, THERE WAS, UM, ANOTHER POINT, UM, THE, IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN GO OUTSIDE OF THE QUARTER MILE FOR GOING SOUTH, BUT WE CAN'T GO OUT OF THE QUARTER MILE FOR INCLUDING THE ONE LITTLE BUSINESS THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT THERE, UM, ON ELI. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE, THE OWNER OF THAT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED. 
          IT'S ONLY A FIVE ACRE PARCEL, BUT IT JUST, UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO YOUR, UH, DESIGN. 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, THAT CLOSES, UH, 
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PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO MAYBE TRY AND SOME RESPONSES HERE. 
          THE ONE, UH, QUESTION I WOULD ASK FOR RESPONSE WAS, UH, UM, WHETHER THIS, UM, SPECIFIC PLAN IS INTENDED TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, UH, WHETHER IT, WHETHER IT WOULD BE, UM, STRONGLY INCENTIVIZED OR BUSINESS AS USUAL, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO YOUR CANDIDATE POOL, WHAT THE INTEREST IS? WELL, I I FEEL LIKE THE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. 
          ONE IS, AND, AND THIS MAY BE AS RESPONDING TO COMMISSIONER SEN'S COMMENTS, IF THE CITY DOES NOT RESPOND TO MTCS TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITIES' POLICIES THROUGH REZONINGS, THROUGH ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS, THROUGH ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEN IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE FOR OBA FUNDING IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO IF THE CITY WANTS TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR OAG FUNDING TO SUPPORT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THEN IT NEEDS TO ENGAGE IN SOME LEVEL OF POLICY PLANNING AND, AND REGULATORY CHANGE, AT LEAST WITHIN THE HALF MILE OF THE, THE, THE STATION. 
          SO THERE'S THAT. 
          BUT I THINK AS, AS I SHARED, UM, AND TO GET SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION, AS I, UH, SHARED IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY'S, UH, COMMENT, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST CERTAINLY WITHIN THE HALF MILE OF THE, THE STATION. 
          WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT EXIST, BUT THERE, THERE ARE QUALITY OF LIFE OPPORTUNITIES CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE FOR, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST PETALUMA REINFORCING THIS, THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT ALONG MCDOWELL. 
          AND SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. 
          SO, UM, ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE HALF MILE STATE LAWS THAT GOVERN IN, IN THAT, UM, THEY GOVERN BUILDING SIZE. 
          DO THEY GOVERN THE DENSITY OF THE ENTIRETY OF A PROPERTY AS WELL? OR CAN THE CITY SAY, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE A FOUR STORY, SIX STORY BUILDING RIGHT HERE, BUT WE ALSO INSIST ON A PARK RATIO OF SUCH AND SUCH. 
          WHAT DOES STATE LAW GOVERN IN THIS? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN UNDER STATE LAW, UM, WITH, AND IT COULD RE IT STATE LAW COULD DRIVE DENSITY, IT COULD DRIVE PARKING RATIOS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THE, THE MTC POLICIES ARE GENERALLY, I WOULD, I WOULD HAZARD TO SAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH STATE LAW. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I DON'T THINK THOUGH THAT WE WOULD WANT STATE LAW TO DRIVE OR TO REGULATE DEVELOPMENT EXCLUSIVELY IN THE AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE OF THIS IS, UM, YOU MENTIONED OBA FUNDING. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT KINDS OF FUNDING OR, OR UH, USE OF FUNDING DO YOU ENVISION NEEDING ON, ON THIS OR, UH, ELIGIBILITY ON THIS? SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S FULLY FORMED. 
          UH, EVERYTHING WE'RE, UM, GETTING INDICATED FROM MTC, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S GONNA BE A CHECK A CHECKBOX IS THE CITY OF PETALUMA, UH, TOC COMPLIANT. 
          UM, AND SO PART OF THIS EXERCISE WILL ALLOW, THIS PLANNING PROCESS WOULD ALLOW US, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO COME IN COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE ANY OF THE FUNDS, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR UNDERSTANDING, LEMME ASK THIS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY. 
          WOULD IT BE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE FUNDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA? OR WOULD IT BE OUR ELIGIBILITY FOR FUTURE EFFORTS, UH, INDEPENDENT OF THIS AREA? I WOULD SAY BOTH. 
          AND OAG ISN'T JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA, RIGHT? THIS, THERE, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A CARROT, UM, TO SAY CITIES, UH, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY, WITH THE RESOURCES, LIKE HAVING A TRAIN STATION COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR, UH, POLICY, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY GONNA NET US MORE POINTS AND BE MORE COMPETITIVE FOR FUTURE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, 
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I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF HAVING STAFF LEAD THE OUTREACH. 
          I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO BUILD THESE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE US USE SOME INNOVATIVE TOOLS OR LEARN HOW TO USE THOSE. 
          SO THAT BECOMES MORE OF A MODEL I'VE FORWARDED ON SOME STUFF TO, UM, A CITY MANAGER. 
          AND, UM, MR. O UH, I AGREE THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, UM, INCLUDING THE, I KNOW EXACTLY THE PERSON THAT DAVE MENTIONED MAKES SENSE TO REACH OUT TO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY LIKE IN THE, ON THE SPECTRUM OF PLANNING VERSUS IMPLEMENTATION, I'D EXPECT TO SEE THIS MUCH MORE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION SIDE. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THE, THE WORKING GROUP THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER IS GOOD, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE OF A PLANNING WORKING GROUP. 
          UM, AND WHEN I WOULD THINK OF AN IMPLEMENTATION WORKING GROUP, IT'S LIKE, WHERE'S THE INVESTORS, WHERE'S THE PEOPLE? LIKE WHERE, WHO ARE WE ASKING TO SAY, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS, UM, AN ATTRACTIVE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU? AND, UM, 'CAUSE I'M NOT DOING THIS TO, TO QUALIFY FOR GRANTS FROM, FROM AAG, I WANT TO DO THIS TO ATTRACT PRIVATE CAPITAL, AND THAT'S GONNA HELP US BRING IN THE, THE, UM, THE PUBLIC MONEY ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE SORT OF COMMUNITY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT IN THIS AREA? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK SO THAT WE CAN DO MORE VISIONING, BUT LIKE SOME OF THAT SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I REALLY AM WANNA SEE IS, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT USPS SPOT IS PRETTY CRITICAL FOR US TO GET A HANDLE ON AND HOPEFULLY CREATE SOME LONG-TERM VISION OF THEM MOVING OFF OF IT. 
          UM, I'D LOVE TO JUST MOVE THOSE TRUCKS OVER TOWARD LAKEVILLE, SO THE OTHER FACILITY AND MM-HMM . 
          TAKE, TAKE TRUCK ROUTES OFF OF MCDOWELL, UM, IF WE CAN, OR TAKE THOSE TRUCK, THOSE TRUCK TRIPS OFF OF MCDOWELL, UM, AND MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE TRANSIT SERVING. 
          UM, I THINK KEY CRITERIA FOR PEOPLE ON THE WORKING GROUP, UM, OUTSIDE OF, UH, EXPERTISE, UH, PEOPLE WHO USE TRANSIT, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BUSINESSES ON THERE, BUSINESSES THAT, UM, THEIR EMPLOYEES CAN USE TRANSIT TO GET THERE, RIGHT? LIKE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS FIRM, UM, TO, TO DRIVE USE OF THE SMART TRAIN AND SEE THE ACTUAL ROI ON THE SMART TRAIN, LET'S FOCUS ON ONE IMPLEMENTATION AND TWO, THE THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND, UM, LIFESTYLES THAT ARE, THAT BENEFIT FROM TRANSIT AND WANT TO USE IT. 
          SO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE KEY CRITERIA, UM, DEFINITE ON THE USPS ENGAGEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE US IN OUR SURVEYS AND IN OUR FOCUS GROUPS AND IN THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE THEM VALUES-BASED VERSUS LIKE IMAGE-BASED AND HEIGHT BASED AND DENSITY BASED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE THESE POLICY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I'D LOVE TO HAVE OUR LIKE, UM, SURVEYS REALLY TEASE OUT THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. 
          LIKE, DO YOU WANT THIS CITY TO BE AN AFFORDABLE PLACE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A PLACE WHERE, UM, YOUNG FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A PLACE WHERE, UM, IT'S SAFE TO CROSS THE STREET AND HAVE YOUR KID RIDE THEIR BIKE ACROSS TOWN? UM, I BET YOU WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT, UM, ON THE VALUES, UH, RESPONSES. 
          AND I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT, LIKE THE VALUES ACTUALLY DRIVING, UM, OUR POLICIES BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE SHOW UP WITH THESE FOCUS GROUPS AND WE'RE SHOWING THEM POLICY DECISIONS AND THERE'S NO CONTEXT FOR IT. 
          UM, SO I, I REALLY LIKE TO MAKE THE, THE ACTUAL SURVEYS REALLY HEAVILY VALUES BASED. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS JUST NOTING IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, THERE'S LIKE, UH, A GOOD NUMBER OF MOBILE HOME PARKS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THOSE CAN BE REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, MEALS, UM, PIZZA IN A COMMUNITY SPACE AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR, YOUR EVENT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULDN'T SHY AWAY FROM THAT. 
          UM, HOAS UH, MEETINGS WITH BRODY RANCH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE BIG ONE FOR ME THAT'S MISSING FROM HERE IS, IS LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON THIS BECAUSE, UM, TO ME THIS LIKE, UH, I WOULD SAY PUSH THE ENVELOPE ON WHAT YOU THINK IS, UM, COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF LIKE ACTUALLY MAKING THIS AN INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, IF THIS COMES BACK WITH A BUNCH OF RESTRICTIVE ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, LIKE LET US PUSH BACK ON THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. 
          UM, LIKE WE'VE GOT SO MANY PLANS, THERE'S SO MUCH FATIGUE. 
          LIKE WE NEED TO UNCORK THE, THE ACTUAL INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY 
          [03:05:01]
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          WHEN I WAS, UM, DOWN IN THE LEAGUE, UM, MEETING A FEW MONTH AGO, UM, CITY MANAGER AND I, WE TALKED TO A GROUP AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY LOOK AT A BIG SWATHS OF LAND AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH A CREATION AND, AND THEY'RE LOCAL. 
          THEY'RE INNOVATIVE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES COMING IN HERE THAT CAN BRING THE CAPITAL IN TO ACTUALLY MOVE PROJECTS THROUGH. 
          AND I MEAN, IT'S AROUND A TRANSIT STATION, SO WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE HOUSING, BUT THERE HAS TO BE ALL THE OTHER, OTHER AMENITIES THAT THEY GO WITH HOUSING ALSO. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REALIZE THAT, THAT DOWNTOWN SMART STATION AND THE NORTH SMART STATION REALLY CONNECT THE TOWN TOGETHER. 
          AND SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF INTERCONNECTIVITY JUST BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, UM, I AGREE WITH ACTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE SAID, BUT I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO FIND INVESTORS WHO HAVE THAT VISION FOR WHAT A TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT CAN BE AND WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND THE POST OFFICE IS, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVE, UM, INTO ONE CONSOLIDATED BUILDING INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TWO THAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE A HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA PLUG THIS ONE. 
          THERE'S, I MEAN, AT LEAST OVER A HUNDRED TRUCKS GOING EVERY DAY TO THAT POST OFFICE, AND IT'S CLOGGING THE STREETS AND IT'S RUINING OUR STREETS. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO, UM, IF WE COULD BRIDGE THEM TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THIS PLAN. 
          I'M KIND OF HEARING US DRIFT INTO, UM, THE RFP FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN RATHER THAN THE, THE MAKEUP OF THIS GROUP. 
          BUT I THINK THEY OVERLAP A LOT IN, IN WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S BEING SAID. 
          BUT, UM, CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING? YES, PLEASE. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS LIKE THE, UM, THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMITTEE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE EASTSIDERS, THEY NEED TO BE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT IS THE CONNECTION I'M SAYING BETWEEN THE TRAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, UM, DOWNTOWN AND TO HERE. 
          AND I DO WANT AN ARCHITECT ON THERE THAT REALLY HAS THE BIG PICTURE VISION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU READY? UM, I WAS JUST WRITING A LIST OF THE, THE, THE COMPONENT OF THIS, UM, FOCUS GROUP. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST TWO YOUTHS, TWO SENIORS, AND I THINK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE SAID SMART, UM, USERS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LIVING IN THAT AREA, BUT THEY MIGHT USE THE SMART TRAIN. 
          UM, ALSO THE BRODY RANCH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN USING THAT AREA AND THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO LU ANITAS, THEY'RE GONNA TELL ME THERE'S NEEDS TO BE A BETTER PATH OR IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER SIDEWALKS. 
          SO THEY HAVE A LOT TO SAY. 
          SO THAT'S UP TO 2, 4, 6, 8. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR PROFESSIONALS, SO AT LEAST TWO PROFESSIONALS LIKE, UM, MR. ALDEN MENTIONED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TWO OTHER OUT, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT SIT IN ON THESE MEETINGS OR PEOPLE WHO SEND US PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAD A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION AND SHE WOULD BE A GREAT PERSON TO HAVE ON IT. 
          UM, AND 15 MINUTES MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY IN OUR AGE, BUT SOMEBODY IN THEIR EIGHTIES, IT'S 15 MINUTES JUST TO GET THEIR WALKER OUT OF THE BACK OF THEIR CAR. 
          SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT 15 MINUTES DOESN'T MEAN 50 MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO SENIORS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR YOUTH WHO WERE RIDING E-BIKES, , EVERYWHERE THEY GO. 
          AND SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT CAREER PATHS AND HOUSING NEEDS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO, AND MAYBE OPEN AN OP CONVERSATION WITH THAT. 
          UM, BIG PROPERTY TENANT, THE UNITED POSTAL SERVICE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP, UM, NOTES AND SCORECARD HERE AS WE GO. 
          AND, UH, DO YOU WANT MY LIST OF WHO AND CAN I PUSH BACK ON A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU SAID, UH, SMART, CAN WE CALL THAT TRANSIT, UH, AS TRANSIT USERS? OH, CORRECT. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          SO, UM, IN, IN CONSIDERING WHO WOULD GET ON A COMMITTEE LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT I WONDER IS WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE ARE STAKEHOLDERS, UM, HERE IN THE ROOM TOO THAT HAVE PROPERTIES THAT WANNA GET ANNEXED IN AND YEAH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO BE ON IT. 
          BUT THEN WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL HAVE TO 
          [03:10:01]
THEN LIVE WITH THIS FROM THERE OUT OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A HEALTHCARE REPRESENTATIVE WOULD NEED TO BE ONE OF THE GROUP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK MORE BUSINESS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GROUP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I'M ALSO NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD WANT GPAC REPRESENTATIVES ON IT. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE GPAC. 
          UM, THIS TO ME WOULD BE A NEW GROUP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK AS FAR AS A GROUP MAKEUP GOES. 
          UM, I DON'T, LIKE, THIS WAS MY TAKE ON IT, BUT I DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT WE HAVE TO BURN MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, TO QUALIFY FOR MORE MONEY. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM RESPONSIBLE TO ME AT ALL. 
          AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S MTC MONEY OR WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          I MEAN, IT'S STILL TAX DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF THE GROUP IS 12 PEOPLE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PERSON TO, TO CREATE THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THEN, I MEAN, AS FAR AS BEING IN COMPLIANCE, DOES, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE TO REACH A CERTAIN CONCLUSION IN ORDER TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE OR IS THERE, IS THEIR OPINION, DOES THAT, LIKE, AS BRIAN SAID, CHECK THE BOX? UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEIR OUTCOMES IRRELEVANT, BUT WE'RE STILL IN COMPLIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, SO JUST TO, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CONFLATE THE, I THINK YOU, YOU THREW OUT A NUMBER, A HUNDRED K PER PERSON, AND I'M GUESS I I THINK YOU'RE SAYING 12 PEOPLE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER PERSON, 1.2 MILLION. 
          IF I'M TRACKING ABOUT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE GRANT SO FAR, RIGHT? IS 1.2. 
          YEAH, THE, THE GRANT ITSELF. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          SO THE GRANT ITSELF IS TO, THE GOAL IS TO GET THE ACTUAL PLAN, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ACTUAL FUNDING TO ACT, TO DEVELOP A PLAN, UH, FUNDING TO DEVELOP THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FUNDING TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS ONE COMPONENT OF THAT LARGER ENGAGEMENT. 
          UM, ANDREW WALKED THROUGH EARLIER, UH, THE, UM, FOCUS GROUPS, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, GENERAL OPEN HOUSE FORMAT TO ENGAGE WITH THE BROADER AUDIENCE. 
          UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT SMART AND WHY NOT THE COUNTY? UH, AND THEN YOU, UM, ALSO RAISE THAT, UH, THERE IS A COMPONENT OF THIS SMARTS AT THE TABLE. 
          THEY'RE ENGAGED WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          THEY'LL BE PARTICIPATING PERMIT SONOMA, WHICH IS THE COUNTY PLANNING AGENCY IS, HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED. 
          THEY'RE PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          LAFCO THE, UM, COUNTY FORMATION AGENCY. 
          UH, SO THIS IS NOT BEING DONE IN A VACUUM. 
          WE'RE 100% AWARE OF, UH, THE, THE CITY LIMIT, UM, HERE. 
          AND, UH, I THOUGHT WE DID A, A, A NICE, A REALLY GOOD JOB ABOUT THE CONSTRAINTS, UM, NATURAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE AREA. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT HERE. 
          THIS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT IS JUST ONE COMPONENT. 
          WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD NECESSARILY SAY, UM, IT'S COSTING US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PERSON. 
          UM, NO, I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE MADE THAT POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE WHOLE OF THE GRANT, THE CONSULTANT EFFORTS A CERTAIN PIECE. 
          BASICALLY YOU GET THE COMMUNITY GROUP FOR FREE ONCE YOU'VE PAID THE, THE, FOR THE CONSULTANT THAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE KEY ISSUE HERE. 
          LIKE FOR YOU, YOU WERE HEADED TO A POINT. 
          WELL, I, I MEAN, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FORMATION OF THE GROUP, WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN IT, AND THEN KIND OF GO BACK TO THIS ELECTION PROCESS. 
          UM, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TOO. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD BE CHOOSING A PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DEMONSTRATE ANY BIAS OR MANIPULATION IN ANY WAY. 
          SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE LOTTERY PROCESS IS THE RIGHT THING. 
          I'M NOT LOBBYING FOR THAT, BUT, UH, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S FAIR AND INCORPORATES WHATEVER GROUPS ARE DECIDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UM, NO, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF IT FOR MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. 
          YEAH, THERE WERE, UM, SE SEVERAL COMMENTS THUS FAR THAT I, I AGREE WITH. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH AND, AND, UH, REPEAT THEM. 
          WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT, UH, THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED 
          [03:15:01]
ABOUT THUS FAR IS THERE'S SORT OF THIS EMERGING CONCEPT OF SCHOOL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I'M WONDERING HOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, WE MIGHT CONSIDER THAT IN THIS PLAN. 
          AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REALLY KIND OF ZERO IN ON ANY SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, ZONE, OR EVEN IF THERE ARE SCHOOLS THAT ARE ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE, OF THE ZONE, UH, CONSIDER EXPANDING IT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT THAT SPECIFICALLY SUPPORTS NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND SCHOOLS TO MAKE SCHOOLS MORE WALKABLE. 
          IF THAT COULD SOMEHOW BE SORT OF LUMPED INTO THIS, I THINK THAT COULD BE, UH, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, ANYTHING? UH, FIRST JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, JUST FOLLOWING UP WHAT WAS ASKED BEFORE 1.2 MILLION, IS THAT GONNA GET US THE ACTUAL, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN PRODUCT AT THE VERY END OF THIS WHOLE BY 27? IS THAT $1 MILLION GETS US THAT? OR DOES IT JUST DO JUST THE OUTREACH PORTION? IT GETS US THE PLAN AND THE EIR THE PLAN. 
          SO IT'S THE WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          THE WHOLE THING, YES. 
          SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THAN SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON OUTREACH. 
          SO THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR. 
          THEN. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED PAGES PLUS. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL WITH ALL SORTS. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, AND WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THIS STUDYING AND ALL THIS WRITING, AND IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT AND IT'S GONNA GO ON A SHELF AND UNUSED. 
          AND THE MAIN ISSUE AS WAS, WAS RAISED UP BY, UH, MR. KUSON WAS, UM, WHO'S GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THE PLAN AT THE END? WHO'S GONNA ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN? AND THAT'S GONNA BE A DEVELOPER. 
          'CAUSE OVER 50%, PROBABLY YOU NEED CLOSER TO 90% OF THIS SPECIFIC PLAN IS GONNA BE FOCUSED IN ON THE, UH, COUPLE HUNDRED ACRES THAT ARE NORTH OF CORONA, RIGHT? NORTH OF THE NORTH SMART STATION. 
          THAT'S WHERE AT LEAST 50%, IF NOT 90% OF THE EFFORT'S ACTUALLY GONNA GO. 
          WHAT DOES THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT SHOULD BE THERE? HOW IT SHOULD BE? UM, WHAT WAS MENTIONED ALSO IS THAT, UM, MAYBE NOT MENTIONED SO FAR, IS THAT THERE'S WILLING LANDOWNERS WHO ARE WILLING TO SELL, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SELL AND GET THIS PLACE DEVELOPED. 
          IT'S PART OF OUR URBAN PLAN. 
          NOW, THERE'S ALSO, UM, I, I MET AT LEAST ONE ALSO, UH, UH, JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE AT AT, AT QUAS CAFE. 
          TALKED TO HIM. 
          HE'S A DEVELOPER WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE A TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITY. 
          NOT A PROPERTY, NOT A THING, A COMMUNITY, A TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITY WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE THAT DEVELOPMENT OUT IN ANOTHER STATE, UM, VERY LARGE. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE. 
          IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO ACTUALLY BRING A DEVELOPER, MAYBE NOT THAT ONE, BUT A DEVELOPER WHO IS SPECIALIZED, WHO HAS DONE TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITIES. 
          NOT PROPERTIES, NOT NOT HOTELS, NOT APARTMENT BUILDINGS, NOT , BUT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY IS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPER WHO HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. 
          TO, TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR 5,000 PEOPLE THAT HAS EVERYTHING WE WANT. 
          15 MINUTE COMMUNITY, EVERYTHING WE NEED. 
          AND, AND BRINGING HIM IN OR HER INTO THE, THE SPOT INTO THIS COMMITTEE AS ONE OF THE MEMBERS. 
          AND HE SAYS, HEY, I'M HERE. 
          I WANNA HELP. 
          I WANNA DO THIS. 
          YOU HAVE A LANDOWNER WHO WANTS TO SAY I'M, I'M WILLING TO SELL, HAVE THAT THEM WORK TOGETHER, WHATEVER DEAL IT TAKES AND SAY, NOW, COMMUNITY OF YOUR COMMITTEE. 
          ALRIGHT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? AND HOW WE WANNA DO IT, AND GUIDE THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FROM THE START. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE WAY. 
          SO THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A FINISHED PRODUCT IS NOT JUST A PLAN THAT ACTUALLY HE CAN ACTUALLY DO GROUNDBREAKING AT DAY ONE. 
          HE GOES AND GROUND BREAKS AND ACTUALLY DOES WHAT WE'VE ASKED HIM TO DO. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS IS GONNA BE NOT A BOOK ON A SHELF, IS ACTUALLY HAVE A DEVELOPER IN FRONT ON THE SPOT WHO AGREES TO EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT UPFRONT. 
          AND THAT'S THE ACTUAL TRUE PLANNING OF DEVELOPMENT OF INVESTING AND MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. 
          OTHERWISE, I THINK IT'S A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD AGREE WITH, JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A PLAN ON A SHELF. 
          UM, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK ON HOW DO WE BRING THE END USER. 
          THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POINT OF A SPECIFIC PLAN? IT DOES PROVIDE CERTAINTY FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S HOW WE WANT THE CORRIDOR TO CHANGE OR LOOK OR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, GET US THROUGH THE NEXT CENTURY, UH, MID-CENTURY. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALL THAT INPUT I, AND KEEPING A SCORECARD, WE'RE GONNA COME AROUND TO TRYING TO GET A, A, UM, A CONSENSUS ON CERTAIN ISSUES. 
          BUT MY TAKE ON THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STRESSORS I'VE SEEN IN THE GPAC 
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IS, UM, THAT, UM, THEY SEEM TO BE TALKED TO, TALKED AT AND NOT DIALOGUING AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT 'EM TO, OR WE'D WANT 'EM TO IN THIS SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR ENGAGEMENT IN GPAC. 
          I THINK WE WERE PRESENTING MATERIAL FOR LIKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE OR, OR, OR STATUS REPORT RATHER THAN TRUE ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT THAT EVERYBODY RESPECTS. 
          E EVEN IF THE OUTCOMES ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SAID, PEOPLE WERE AT THE TABLE ARGUING THEIR POINT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI JUST BROUGHT UP WITH HAVING AN EXPERT IN THE ROOM, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHARETTE, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A TRICKY POINT THAT WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER ABOUT WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          NOT THIS PANEL, BUT THIS PROCESS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A CHARETTE EFFORT. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE NOT A WEAK EFFORT AT A CHARETTE WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU INVITE SOMEBODY IN WHO TALKS AT YOU, BUT I THINK A TRUE CHARETTE IS ITERATIVE WHERE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, AN APPROACH IS LAID OUT AND THEN EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT WHY THAT'S GOT WHAT, WHAT IT'S GOT GOOD IN IT, WHAT IT'S GOT BAD IN IT, AND THINGS I DON'T THINK THE SETTE MASTER CAN BE ON THE PANEL IN, IN MY WORLD. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA TO HAVE THAT PROCESS IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE THIS GROUP TO SAY WE OWN THIS THING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO, WE, WE, WE LEARNED ABOUT THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY, AND HAVING AN INVESTOR IS GOOD IN THERE. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT A CHARETTE, YOU'D SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS PARCEL I WANT TO BUILD. 
          IS IT VIABLE UNDER YOUR RULES THAT ANYTHING HAPPENS? SO THAT VIABILITY HAS TO BE THERE AND EXPERTS HAVE TO BE IN THE ROOM. 
          UH, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE PANEL. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, STAKEHOLDER VALUE ON THE PANEL. 
          BUT, UM, SO I WOULD EVEN HAVE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UM, OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THEM. 
          AND I WAS JUST COUNTING, UH, WE TALKED SUB, IF WE ADD A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, IF WE ADD A SMART PLANNER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TOC EXPERTS IN HERE. 
          IF WE ADD SCHOOLS, IF WE ADD, UM, INVESTORS, IF WE ADD A TRANSIT, UM, REPRESENTATIVE AND YOUTH REPRESENT, I MEAN, WE'RE UP TO ANOTHER SIX. 
          SO KIND OF COMING AROUND TO THE SCORECARD, I'M KIND OF OKAY IF IT'S 20 PEOPLE, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU CAN STILL MANAGE 20 AND IF WE WANNA REACH THE COMMUNITY SMALLER NUMBER. 
          SO I, I'M COUNTING WHAT OUR CONVERSATION WAS, PUSHED US TO 20, UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF EXPERIENCES. 
          SO, UM, UM, THOSE, THOSE WERE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. 
          AND THEN WE TOUCHED ON THE DISCUSSION OF, UM, WHO PICKS. 
          WHAT WE DIDN'T GET AFTER REALLY CLEARLY IS THAT WE'RE DELEGATING THE, THE PROPOSAL IN IN FRONT OF US IS TO DELEGATE THE STAFF, THE FORMATION OF THIS GROUP. 
          ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHEN WE SAY STAFF, ARE WE TALKING, BRIAN'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS THING HIMSELF? OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, UM, IS, IS M GROUP MANAGING THIS? AND DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH STRICTLY WITH OUR RAPIDLY GROWING INTERNAL, UM, EMPLOYEE PLANNING GROUP, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GROUP, UH, OR DO WE WANNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL? SO I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. 
          I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE GROUP AGAIN AND HIT ON THE NUMBERS. 
          THE, UM, AND WHO PICKS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I ASK JUMP? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, ON THAT NOTE, ON THE, ON THE SELECTION PROCESS, UM, WE'VE HAD ONE EXAMPLE DATING BACK TO MY VERY FIRST YEAR ON THE COUNCIL, UM, THAT KEVIN MIGHT REMEMBER ABOUT HAVING TO REMOVE SOMEONE FROM A BODY, UM, BECAUSE OF A MESS OF SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF THAT CAME TO LIGHT AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF, IT'S NOT A BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT WHAT TYPE OF DUE DILIGENCE YOU'RE GONNA DO ON THE APPLICANTS SO THAT WE DON'T WIND UP WITH, UM, A STORY IN THE ARGUS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD NO  INFLUENCE OVER THE SELECTION OF? I, I WOULD SAY THE BAR THAT WE'VE SET ON, UM, REPRESENTATION, UH, WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR CCB SELECTION. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD RUN IT VERY SIMILARLY. 
          UM, THE LEVEL OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE GENERATED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE, UM, EXAMPLE YOU SHARED, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF, YOU KNOW, HOW SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, HOW ROBUST OUR COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT, UM, OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT'S TAKEN PLACE. 
          AND, AND MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, IF I COULD JUST ADD BRIEFLY, UM, ONE REASON WHY THIS IS STRUCTURED TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE, 
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UM, BASICALLY FACILITATED VOLUNTEERS, UM, SELECTION PROCESS ACCORDING TO CATEGORIES THAT THE COUNCIL PROVIDES, IS THAT KEEPS US OUT OF THE BROWN ACT TERRITORY. 
          THAT'S ONE THING. 
          AND IN, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, BARN'S COMMENT, THE, THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST, UM, THE, THOSE WE, WE HAVE MEANS FOR, UM, FOR REMOVAL, EVEN IN THE VOLUNTARY VOLUNTEER CONTEXT, THE LAW PERMITS US TO, UM, PREVENT INTERRUPTIONS TO OUR OPERATIONS. 
          I'M SURE THAT WE HAVE THE LEGAL GROUNDS TO REMOVE SOMEONE. 
          IT'S MORE , LIKE JUST THE AVOIDING THE NEED TO. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO, YEAH. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          AND THAT EXAMPLE, JUST AS A REMINDER WAS, UM, THEY WERE COUNCIL SELECTED. 
          YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M, YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY I AM, I'M FINE WITH THE STAFF PROPOSAL THAT YOU ALL SELECT THEM. 
          UM, I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT UNDER 20. 
          THAT FEELS REALLY UNMANAGEABLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS IT, AS SOON AS WE BRING IT UP HERE, IT BECOMES POLITICAL, RIGHT? SO I, IF WE WANT TO KEEP IT APOLITICAL, I'D SAY DELEGATED TO STAFF COMING ACROSS THE I AGREE. 
          I'M FINE WITH STAFF. 
          UM, MAKING THE DECISION INCOME AND VICE MAYOR, I'M FINE WITH STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER, I HAVE TOTAL FAITH IN, SHE WILL RECOGNIZE ANY, ANY NAMES THAT MAYBE SHOULD BE A CANDIDATE OR SHOULDN'T BE A CANDIDATE. 
          AND DO YOU WANT MY LIST, MR. MAYOR? THIS IS MY TOP 12. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'LL MELD THAT LIST WITH WHAT'S IN THE TABLE AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP. 
          SO I THINK STAFF HEARD YOU. 
          AND SO WE'RE AT THE MINUS THE 20 AND MINUS. 
          I DIDN'T SPECIFY AG. 
          I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OR TWO AG OR LAND OWNERS IN THAT GROUP. 
          WELL, LAND LANDOWNER AND AG ARE KIND OF DIFFERENT. 
          WELL, BUT THEY ARE AG YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE DOING AG ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UM, WHAT'S BEING RAISED ON SOME OF THAT PASTURE AREA. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE LANDOWNERS THAT ARE ALSO IN AG BUSINESS, SO THEY'RE, I KNOW I'VE SEEN SHEEP OUT THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE. 
          AND, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, HAY TRUCKS DO NOT BELONG. 
          ROUNDABOUTS, I'VE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO GO DRIVING . 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELECTION ONLY, UM, THE COUNT. 
          ARE WE GOOD WITH BROADENING THE COUNT TO GET ALL THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS THAT WERE EXPRESSED HERE TONIGHT AND LEAVING THE FINAL WHO'S WHO TO, UH, THE, THE FINAL NUMBER AND THE FINAL MIXTURE TO WHAT STAFF'S HEARD FROM US ALREADY? MM-HMM . 
          JUST DO WE, ARE WE OKAY WITH BIGGER? AND THEN ARE WE OKAY WITH STAFF? I'M FINE WITH THE LARGER GROUP. 
          UM, I THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS FROM STAFF AS TO HOW THIS WOULD BE DONE. 
          UM, UH, WHAT I DON'T WANNA SEE IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA SHOW ANY BIAS UP HERE OF US SELECTING ANYBODY, BUT IF IT'S AN APPLICATION, ANY, ANYBODY UP HERE COULD GO, HEY, GO APPLY TO THIS AND, AND GET THEIR FRIENDS ON. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA SEE A PROCESS WHERE IT REALLY IS FAIR AND TO SOME DEGREE RANDOM SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REALLY, TRULY GET WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS ABOUT THIS. 
          NOTED. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, QUINT. 
          YEAH. 
          IN TERMS OF, UH, SIZE, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, A RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, SETTING IT TO BE A RANGE OF 12 TO, I DON'T KNOW, 12 TO 20 OR SOMETHING TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT LOCKED INTO A SPECIFIC NUMBER, I THINK WOULD BE FINE. 
          AND I'M COMFORTABLE. 
          I WOULD PREFER THAT STAFF ADMINISTER THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE SELECTION PROCESS. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S, TO ME, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S NEEDED TO BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, CRITERIA THAT'S BEING SET FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE GONNA BE ON HERE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE VERY ENGAGED AND DEDICATED AND WILLING. 
          UM, SO WE MAY NOT GET AS MANY AS WE MIGHT LIKE, AND UM, THEY MAY NOT BE AS DIVERSE AS WE LIKE, BUT WE'LL GET A, A SET OF PEOPLE AND, UH, I THINK TOTAL FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE IT WORK SO THAT YOU GET THE MAXIMUM DIVERSITY, THE MAXIMUM QUALITY, UM, FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THE WORK, UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE THAT THE, UM, EXTENDED TIME, BECAUSE DOING IT OVER A SIX MONTH PERIOD AND ASKING THEM TO DO LOTS OF WORK IN BETWEEN EACH OF THESE THINGS IS 
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A BIT TOO MUCH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SHORTER TIMELINE FOR THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE, GET IN, GET OUT, UM, AND TO BE UPFRONT AS TO THE TIME FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT'S GONNA BE EXPECTED OF THEM TO JUMP IN ON THE APPLICATION SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. 
          UM, AND I'M, UH, OKAY WITH WHAT'S BEEN ET ALREADY, THE, UH, I THINK IT'S ALMOST TOO MANY, UH, UH, TOO MANY DIFFERENT FOLKS ARE LIKE, UH, MAYBE GETTING INVOLVED HERE. 
          SO I'D SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE REDUCTION ON THAT PART. 
          BUT IF YOU MAKE IT, UM, A SHORTER TIMELINE, MAYBE YOU CAN MANAGE IT THAT WAY. 
          BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF TO DO ALL THAT. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONAL AND WORKING. 
          UM, AND THAT WE HAVE THE END PRODUCT, WHICH IS ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF CHANGE, WHETHER IT BE THE BUS SERVICES OR, OR 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSULTANTS ARE TALKING TO ACTUAL INVESTORS, DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING HERE, UM, THAT HAS TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THIS. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO BE, UH, PARTICIPATING OR LISTENING AND LISTENING IN, WORKING WITH US UPFRONT, SO THAT, THAT HAS GOTTA BE PART OF THE TEAM. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE TEAM, UM, THEN, THEN, UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA BE, UH, WASTING. 
          SO, UH, BRING THEM IN, MAYBE NOT IN THE, THE OUTREACH GROUP, BUT BRING THEM IN AS PART OF THE CONSULTANT STAKEHOLDER TEAM OF ACTUAL FOLKS WITH MONEY, IDEAS AND, AND CAPABILITY OF DOING ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE 50 OR A HUNDRED ACRES OUT THERE, THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, A COUPLE OTHER PLACES THAT NEED TO CHANGE. 
          SO, SO A COUPLE MAYBE LOCAL FOLKS THAT ARE A LITTLE, UH, SMALLER OPERATING DEVELOPERS, BUT AT LEAST ONE COMMUNITY DEVELOPER NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE TEAM WHEREVER THAT, THAT PART OF THE TEAM FITS. 
          MAYBE NOT OUTREACH, BUT SOMEWHERE ELSE THERE. 
          SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'D SAY GO WITH, UH, WHAT YOU'VE RECOMMENDED, UM, AND ADD IN A COUPLE FOLKS THAT, THAT YOU SEE UP HERE, SEE IF YOU CAN GET 'EM. 
          UH, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH, BUT, BUT GIVE IT YOUR BEST EFFORT AND SHOT AT IT. 
          AND THE ONLY THING IS MAYBE BRING ONE OR TWO FROM THE, FROM THE GPAC. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS THERE ALREADY THAT FIT SOME OF THESE, UH, THAT HAVE ALREADY HAVE LOTS OF PRE-KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL. 
          THANKS. 
          SO I, AND I CONCUR. 
          WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE IS GOOD, AND WHAT WE ADDED MAKES IT BETTER. 
          SO, UM, SO IT ENDS UP BIGGER. 
          UM, AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, UH, REQUESTING SHORTER BACKING THAT UP. 
          I THINK THAT'LL HELP ENGAGEMENT. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT THE SELECTION WOULD BE BEING MADE BY NON M GROUP STAFF. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK, UH, AN IMPORTANT PUBLIC SENTIMENT FOR US AT THIS TIME. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF THE CONSENSUS HERE. 
          ANY, UH, LAST, DID YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER? CARLEY? JUST, JUST ONE MORE LAST THING. 
          UM, I KNOW WE TALKED TOO ABOUT HAVING PROFESSIONALS BE A PART OF THE GROUP ARCHITECTS OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEVELOPED THESE SORT OF TRANSIT SITES BEFORE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE. 
          I MEAN, STAFF IS, THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONALS AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMMUNITY'S VOICE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE NECESSARILY THOSE TYPES OF FOLKS BE A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE. 
          I, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT CONVERSATION? NO, I, NO, I, I'M, I'M SUGGESTING, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR HOW THAT RESONATES WITH, UH, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I'M LOOKING NOW, I'M NOT HEARING, UM, A SECOND. 
          A, A RESONANT THAT'S RESONATING WITH EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, I'M SORRY, BRIAN, GO AHEAD. 
          YOU WERE, WHAT DID I CALL HIM? BRIAN? BRIAN. 
          I MEAN, I, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BE A, A VOICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND EX AND LIKE, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS, EXPLAIN WHAT A SPECIFIC PLAN IS, WHY THINGS ARE BEING CONSIDERED, I THINK EXPERTISE IS, UM, IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE IF WE'RE RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND WE, WE HAVE A ALMOST MILLION DOLLAR PIECE OF EXPERTISE THAT'S GONNA BE A PART OF THIS PLUS PLUS STAFF. 
          SO IF THERE'S AN ARCHITECT WHO APPLIES THAT LIVES IN OUR CITY AND IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING, THEY'RE, NO, THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECRUITED. 
          SO WE DON'T VALUE EXPERTISE ANYMORE. 
          LIKE, LIKE NO, ON OUR, ON OUR ENGAGEMENT. 
          LIKE THAT'S, NO, I'M SAYING IF THERE'S AN ARCHITECT THAT APPLIES, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A DISQUALIFICATION. 
          BUT TO SAY THAT, UH, LIKE THERE, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WORKS ON THESE TYPE OF TRANSIT ORIENT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE LIKE THAT HAS TO BE ON THERE WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED. 
          SO JUST TO, TO, LET'S USE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXAMPLE. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, SOMETHING FOR AGRICULTURE, 
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AND WE DON'T INCLUDE FARMERS ON IT. 
          WE INCLUDE NON-FARMERS ON IT, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER FARMED BEFORE, BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE GOT CONSULTANTS WHO ARE EXPERTS IN AGRICULTURE AND KNOW HOW TO GROW THINGS AND KNOW HOW TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO ANIMAL HUSBANDRY. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED THOSE PEOPLE ON THE PANEL. 
          WE JUST NEED THE, THE, WE JUST NEED THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE, JUST A BUNCH OF RANDOM PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S BETTER. 
          AND, AND, AND IF I, IF I COULD RANDOM, I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, LET'S HOLD, UM, ONE DEEP BREATH. 
          I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE SEAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO POPULATE WITH EXPERTISE OF ANY KIND, UM, WITHOUT EXCUSES, BUT IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY, A SEAT, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING. 
          I HEAR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT SO MUCH, UH, COST TO DEVELOP SPECIFIC PLANS. 
          AND I, IT SHOCKS ME WHAT IT COSTS TO RETAIN THE CONSULTANT AND SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS, EVEN IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S MILLION DOLLARS. 
          BUT IT'S, UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE VARIABLE IN THIS. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE COMMUNITY VOICE AND, UM, IF WE FIND INVESTORS, THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE, UM, WITHIN CITY. 
          THEY MIGHT BE WITHIN CITY. 
          BUT IF SOMEONE BRINGS EXPERTISE TO, TO THE AREA, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN BE NON PETALUMA IF THEY BRING EXPERTISE, QUALIFICATIONS THAT FITS THE DESCRIPTION. 
          WE TALKED. 
          OKAY. 
          OR THOUGHTS. 
          SO, SO, SORRY. 
          NO, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, UM, I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OR WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF, UH, ALEX, YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, BRINGING SOMEONE IN THAT HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING OR IF IT WAS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE TO SOME DEGREE IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S CREATING A GROUP THAT DOESN'T HAVE BIAS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S AN ARCHITECT AGAIN, THAT, THAT HOWEVER WE DO THIS SELECTION PROCESS RECEIVES A LETTER OR WHAT, LIKE I'M GONNA TELL 'EM NO, BUT, UM, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE IN JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, FOR, FOR THIS SPECIFIC ONE, I DON'T THINK AGRICULTURE'S A GREAT COMPARISON TO IT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          IT'S, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT WASN'T A, LIKE I SAID, THAT TRANSIT ORIENT DEVELOPER, WHOEVER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S TOO SPECIFIC. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S MAYBE ALREADY INTERESTS THERE OF SOME KIND. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO, SO MY ONLY WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MY ONLY RETORT WOULD BE IF WE GET ANYTHING OUT OF THIS, UM, I HOPE WE GET SOMETHING THAT HELPS. 
          IT HELPS MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WANT TO LIVE IN, RIGHT? AND TO THE, LIKE, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LONG SHOT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT, HONESTLY. 
          BUT IF WE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING, LET'S LET THAT BE THE GOAL. 
          AND, UM, AND I THINK HAVING SOME LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, UM, IF THAT HELPS US GET THAT, THEN I, I'M FOR THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A, THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO WRAP. 
          I THINK WE GIVING YOU TONS OF, UH, DIRECTION FROM STAFF. 
          ARE WE GOOD? WANNA MOVE ON ? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, SO I, I THINK WE WANT, WE, WE WANT TO BE SURE WE END UP WITH AN, UH, ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY RESPECTS AND THAT PROVIDES FOR, UM, WHERE WE WANT TO HEAD AS A CITY IN TERMS OF GENERAL PLAN AND SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          BIG IMPORTANT STEP FOR US, AND, UH, GOODNIGHT. 
          AND WE MOVE 
          [8.
 Introduction (First Reading) of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Petaluma Dedicating Wall Easements on Petaluma Blvd South to Burbank Housing (BHDC) River Place, LLC at 1601 Petaluma Blvd South (APN 019-210-054)]
TO OUR NEXT ITEM AND I, I OUR NEXT ITEM EIGHT IS AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF PETALUMA, DEDICATING WALL EASEMENTS TO THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD, SOUTH TO BURBANK HOUSING RIVER PLACE AT 1601 PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. 
          I'D LIKE TO INVENT, INVITE KENT CARUTHERS CITY ENGINEER TO HELP US WITH THIS. 
          NO POWERPOINT. 
          AGAIN, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M KENT CARUTHERS WITH PUBLIC WORKS CITY ENGINEER. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, TWO ORDINANCES, UH, KIND OF LIKE PROPERTY CLEANUP. 
          UM, ITEMS SHOULD BE PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK, HOPEFULLY. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, BURBANK HOUSING BUILT THE RIVER PLACE DEVELOPMENT IN PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH AT THE CRYSTAL LANE. 
          UM, PART OF THAT, UM, CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATED USING A WALL SYSTEM THAT REQUIRED TIEBACKS THAT GOT BUILT UNDERNEATH, UM, PETALUMA BOULEVARD. 
          THAT, THAT, UM, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE CLEANUP AND WE GOT THE 
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EXHIBITS. 
          UM, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE PREVENT HOUSING, UM, SOME OF THEIR TEAM TONIGHT FOR, FOR QUESTION AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THESE WALLS WERE BUILT WITH THIS TIEBACK SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY, OTHER THAN SUPPORTING A LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, DEVELOPER, IS THAT THESE, THESE WALLS WERE, UM, THE BUILDING SYSTEM ALLOWED THE CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT LIKE DESTROYING PETALUMA BOULEVARD, UM, THE, THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND DOING A LOT OF EXTRA, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT WASN'T NEEDED. 
          THE SITE WAS THEN, UM, ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO, UM, ALLOW FOR A REALLY GREAT, UM, RIVERWALK SYSTEM THAT WILL BE HOPEFULLY CONNECTED IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 20 YEARS TO MCNAIR LANDING. 
          AND THAT OPENS UP THE, UM, OUR PEDESTRIAN, UM, RIVER SYSTEM, UM, ALONG, ALONG THERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOME OF THE BENEFITS. 
          UM, AND JUST INVITING AND ENHANCING, UM, INFILL DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO TECHNICALLY, UM, WE'RE DEDICATING, UM, THREE EASEMENTS, ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THE DEDICATION WILL BE WALL TIEBACK EASEMENTS TO THE, UM, IT'S BHDC, PETALUMA RIVER PLACE LLC WILL BE THE, THE CORRECT, UM, WITH WHAT'S IN THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          AND UH, I'LL MOVE IT AND WELL SECOND. 
          AND SO THERE'S NO LOSS OF CAPACITY FOR THE CITY. 
          THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT, NO LOSS OF UTILIZATION OF ANYTHING, NO LOSS. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE, ALL THE UTILITIES AND YEAH. 
          UM, NO FUTURE UTILITIES, NOT SEEING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT'S OPEN, GENERAL COMMENT OR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CARDS, ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE MOMENT, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A CARD TO SPEAK AND NOT SEEING ANYONE RUSH TO THE FRONT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY CATER THOMPSON AND I'LL SECOND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR NOW. 
          AND MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE YES. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          DI CARLY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          SHRIVES? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I REALLY WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR COMING IN CASE WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS AND STAYING TILL WE DIDN'T HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          DO YOU WANNA BE ON A COMMITTEE? , , NOT THE ONE 5:00 AM THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM, 
          [9.
 Introduction (First Reading) of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Petaluma Approving the Lot Line Adjustment and Vacation of Madison Street Right of Way for a portion of Wizard of Metals Property along the Petaluma River (APN 007-071-011) at 92 Lakeville Street]
UM, INTRODUCTION, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY APPROVING THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AND VACATION OF MADISON STREET RIGHTWAY FOR A PORTION OF WIZARDS OF METAL PROPERTY ALONG THE PETALUMA RIVER 92 LAKEVILLE STREET. 
          AND AGAIN, KEN CARUTHERS THAT HELP US THROUGH IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS ONE'S, UM, A LAND SWAP IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN, UM, THAN MOST LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS AND IT'S CLEANUP FROM, UH, THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT WITH THE, THE FLOOD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S, OR THE, JUST, THERE'S JUST THE STAGGERING OF SOME OF THE, OF PROPERTIES OF HOW THEY ENDED UP BEING. 
          SO, UM, WIZARD OF METALS. 
          UH, THEY APPROACH THE, THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR MAIN DRIVEWAY THAT COMES IN AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, OVER AN OLD PARCEL THAT THE CITY HAD AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN, UM, OBTAINING, YOU KNOW, OWNERSHIP OF THAT, UM, DRIVEWAY. 
          IT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THEY HAVE. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY, SO THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DEDICATING A SWATH, UH, ALONG THE PETALUMA RIVER, ALONG THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS, UM, THE PROPERTY ON, UM, AT THE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO WE, UM, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND, AND THE BREAKDOWN AND EVERYTHING TO, TO MAKE EVERYTHING EVEN UP. 
          UM, THE CITY WOULD DEDICATE A PORTION OF MADISON STREET RIGHT AWAY WITH A VACATION. 
          AND THAT, THAT PORT OF MADISON STREET IS, IS NO LONGER USED. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT HASN'T BEEN USED. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF JUST, IT'S BEEN USED FOR CONSTRUCTION, STOCKPILING AND, AND RANDOM THINGS. 
          AND IT WAS USED AS PART OF THE, THE RIVER, UM, FLOODPLAIN PROJECT. 
          SO TO MAKE ALL THE, THE AREAS BREAK UP AND THE USABLE AREAS BREAK BREAKUP, WE WOULD, UM, 
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WE WOULD DEDICATE THE, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THEM AND THEN WE'D GET THE, UM, WIDENING OF THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND THEN GIVE THEM, UM, A PORTION, A STRIP ALONG MADISON STREET SO THEY COULD EXPAND OUT, UM, THEIR FENCE. 
          SO ULTIMATELY, UM, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO, THAT WANTS TO BE DONE ISN'T PART OF THIS. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A LAND SWAP SO WE CAN DO PROPER PLANNING, UM, AND DESIGN FOR LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO THE BENEFITS FOR THE CITY ON THIS IS LIKE WE GET A, UM, A A, A GOOD SWATH OF LYNCH CREEK TRAIL TO, TO UTILIZE FOR, UM, LIGHTING, UM, FOR, UM, TREES FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE FLOOD WALL AND TO WIDEN THE, UM, THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL FROM BASICALLY THE, THE, UM, THE BRIDGE AT, AT WATER STREET UP TO LAKEVILLE STREET. 
          AND THEN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ALSO BEEN REALLY GOOD WITH, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC ARTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING ALONG THERE. 
          HE'S REALLY BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A GREAT PARTNER FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S LITTLE FACETS OF DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTROL ONCE WE HAVE CONTROL OF THIS WITH THE SWATH OF, UM, LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, SO THAT, THAT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, THAT'S, UM, SO IT'S ABOUT 0.2 ACRES OF USABLE THAT THAT GOES, SWITCHES BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN IT'S A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AND A VACATION AND THEN A DEDICATION. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A SERIES OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IF, UM, IF IT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL. 
          SO HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER REBS. 
          OKAY, JUST A, A FEW THINGS JUST LOOKING AT THE SIZE, JUST SO I'M GET THIS CORRECT. 
          UM, SO THE ONE ON THE, THE MADISON IS, UM, THAT'S GONNA EITHER EXPAND THEIR FENCE LINE OUT TO THAT AREA SO THEY HAVE A LARGER AREA TO STORE THINGS AND DO THINGS WITH. 
          SO BASICALLY INCREASING THEIR PROPERTY SIZE. 
          CORRECT. 
          HOW ABOUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT AREA THAT THEY WOULD INCREASE? THAT WAS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIR, UH, NOT A FAIR TRADE SIZE ANYWAYS, I JUST THOUGHT I'M CHECKING ON THIS ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO ACTUALLY, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING MORE BECAUSE THEIR DEBT, THEIR PROPERTY EXTENDS OUT INTO THE RIVER, SO THAT'S WHY WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO USABLE AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL PORTION? YES. 
          THAT'S IN THAT SECTION. 
          THEY ACTUALLY OWN THAT LAND, RIGHT? WE HAVE EASTMAN ON IT, YES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST NARROW EASEMENT ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET A LARGE SWATH OF, OKAY, 'CAUSE THE MAP I SAW ONLY HAD THIS TINY LITTLE SECTION OF, OF, OF GRASS OUTSIDE THEIR FENCE AS BEING SWAPPED. 
          NOT THE ENTIRE BENCH CREEK TRAIL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ENTIRE, THAT ENTIRE AREA THEN, THEN WE BECOME CITY OWNED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE GET THE MADISON UH, UH, SECTION THERE. 
          'CAUSE I THOUGHT, OKAY, THEY NEED, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS A, UM, UH, HAVING A SECOND OUTLET BE ABLE TO DRIVE OUT BECAUSE THE RAMP THAT THEY HAVE NOW IS SLOPED PRETTY STEEP AND THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT AND THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEM GETTING OUT WITH CERTAIN EQUIPMENT AND THEY NEEDED A SECOND EXIT. 
          WOULD THAT BE, UH, FROM MADISON TO COPELAND? THAT, IS THAT THE EXIT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT'S NOT PART LIKE ACCESS POINT. 
          SO THE MAIN ACCESS POINT, WHAT THEY'RE AFTER IS TAKING THE ACCESS OFF OF LAKEVILLE. 
          SO AS PART OF A DIFFERENT ENTITLEMENT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF ACCESS OFF INTO, INTO MADISON ARE YOU SAY ACCESS ON LAKEVILLE OR OFF RIGHT. 
          WOULD BE OFF. 
          THAT MEANS REMOVED. 
          THEY REMOVED THE ACCESS FROM LAKEVILLE? NO, THEY WOULD TAKE THE ACTUAL OKAY. 
          LAND WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS NOW, THE DRIVEWAY THE CITY OWNS BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRAIN TRACKS. 
          YES. 
          VERY CLOSE TO IT. 
          AND SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GET IN AND OUT BASED ON THE TRAIN RUNNING IN AND OUT. 
          YES. 
          ON, ON THAT. 
          BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY STEEP. 
          AND THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO HAVING A SECOND EXIT POSSIBILITY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THOSE WORDS THAT WERE, THAT'S NOT PART, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, THIS, THIS LAND SWAPS. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UH, STRONG REQUESTS, UH, FROM THE FOLKS THAT USE THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO THERE. 
          THERE'S ALREADY THE FENCE DOWN TO GET IN AND COME ACROSS THE, UH, THE, THE GRAN WHERE THE GRANARY IS THE, THERE'S FREIGHT TRAIN, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO COME, WHICH IS COPELAND. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO MADISON TURNS INTO COPELAND. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF WE ACTUALLY OWN THE MADISON STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT CONNECTS WITH CO OAKLAND. 
          SO IF THIS LAND SWAP IS BEING DONE, COULD WE AT THE SAME TIME ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN TO ACTUALLY, UM, COME IN FROM THE TRAIL LYNCH CREEK TRAIL THROUGH THE FENCE NOW TO UH, TO COPELAND DIRECTLY SO THAT WE HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ACTUAL BICYCLE ACCESS PATH THERE, WHICH IS ON OUR A TP PLAN. 
          CAN WE HAVE THAT IN PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SOMEHOW? NOT, NOT AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE HAVE A SURVEYOR LOOKING AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT ARE, ARE BROKEN UP. 
          THIS, THIS LAND SWAP IS SOLELY WITH, WITH THE, 
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WITH THIS DEVELOPER WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S JUST RIGHT. 
          UH, THE TRAIN TRACKS, UM, THE FREIGHT TRAIN, THE LITTLE, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE, THE, UH, SPUD, NO, UM, SPAR. 
          THE SPAR THAT COMES DOWN. 
          UH, SO IT'S BETWEEN, IT STILL HAS PLENTY OF SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE SPAR. 
          THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE, UH, FOR THE SPAR TO FUNCTION I ASSUME, UH, ON THAT, THAT PIECE OF LAND. 
          SO THAT IS NOT NOT BEING USED. 
          UM, I DON'T EVEN THINK I'VE SEEN IT 'CAUSE MY SON WORKS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND SO I'M THERE OFTEN ENOUGH TO, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A CAR PARKED THERE, ALTHOUGH IT HAD MAY HAVE BEEN USED FOLKS BE OUT THERE THAT SECTION. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN THE CAPACITY TO GET FROM LYNCH CREEK TRAIL TO COPELAND STREET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT, THAT IS A REALLY POSITIVE THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A TRUE, WE, WE HAVE SURVEYOR, HUGE CONNECTOR. 
          LUCKY TO GET TO THE TRANSIT AREA FROM LYNCH CREEK. 
          THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE SAFEST ROUTE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I TAKE IT OFF FOR MYSELF. 
          I'LL GO THROUGH THE FENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS PART OF OUR PLAN FOLLOWING UP ON THIS LAND SWAP. 
          YES. 
          THAT, THAT'S, UM, STILL IN THE PLAN. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          JUST WANNA CHECK ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOT SEEING ANYONE COMING FORWARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEN UH, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL MOVE AND WE HAVE A, A MOTION BY CATER THOMPSON AND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SECOND BY VICE MAYOR NOW. 
          AND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          DE CARLY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          QUINT? YES. 
          SHRI? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, UH, KENT FOR THE PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND UM, WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING.
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