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          [CALL TO ORDER]
RIGHT, NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, EVERYONE THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6 0 9 AND WE WILL START WITH OUR ROLL CALL, UH, MR. DAMAGE HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER MARAND IS ABSENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGAUGH? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER SASSER. 
          PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER PERRY. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY HERE. 
          AND MYSELF, ANNA  IS PRESENT. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IS NOT PART OF A PRESENTATION ITEM? WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
UH, FOR PRESENTATIONS, UH, JUST TO NOTE, UH, ABBOT DECLINED TO PUR CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE LEASE, SO THEY WILL NOT BE PRESENTING TONIGHT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, DAN? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO WE'LL BE REMOVING PRESENTATION NUMBER TWO FROM THE AGENDA. 
          UM, AND, UH, AS SUCH, CARL DID NOT COME TONIGHT, UM, BUT HE IS VERY OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSION IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, OUR PRESENTATION, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, JEFF. 
          THANKS FOR COORDINATING GETTING US ON THE AGENDA. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JOHN DOLE. 
          I'M CHRIS COURT. 
          CHRIS COURT. 
          WE'RE, HE'S, HE'S A VERY LONG PETALUMA RESIDENT. 
          LONG TIME PETMAN. 
          I'M NOT SO LONG, BUT PETAL AND RESIDENT FOR 15 YEARS. 
          UM, CHRIS HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THE PEDAL OF LEGHORNS, WHICH LED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WASHINGTON STREET, UH, BASEBALL PARK, WHICH YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. 
          UM, IT GOT TO A POINT, IT'S BEING USED NOW BY THE LEGHORNS AND, UM, THERE IS A DESIRE TO FINISH THE FIELD, UM, TO PUT IN SOME STANDS, TO PUT IN SOME LIGHTS TO MAKE IT A, A, A STADIUM A A PARK THAT CAN, UM, HOW HOUSE TOURNAMENTS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLE SEATING, HAVE SOME CONCESSIONS AND SOME PROPER BATHROOMS AND LANDSCAPING AND WHATNOT. 
          THAT'S JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND OF IF YOU, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE FIELD, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON WASHINGTON STREETS. 
          WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TURF FIELD WITH THE DUGOUTS AND THE NETTING. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO SIT, NO PLACE FOR CONVENIENCE, CERTAIN RESTROOMS AND PARKING'S KIND OF LIMITED ANYWAY. 
          UM, CHRIS AND I MET A COUPLE YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO FINISH THE BALLPARK WITH PRIVATE FUNDS, HAVING TO A, A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, UM, AN INVESTOR GROUP THAT, THAT WE'VE MET ALONG THE WAY THAT WANTS TO PUT A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          UM, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND THEY'VE TALKED IN SANTA ROSA. 
          THEY'VE ALSO TALKED HERE IN, UM, WITH US IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, THEY'RE VERY SERIOUS. 
          THEY'RE WELL FUNDED. 
          UM, AND WE FEEL AS THOUGH FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, WE COULD, WE COULD FINISH THAT BALLPARK, UM, AND, AND, AND BRING IN A, A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM AS WELL AS SERVE THE COMMUNITY FOR THE LEGHORNS HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS, THE YOUTH TEAMS THAT USE THE FIELD CURRENTLY, UM, AND, AND MANAGING THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE A WHOLE PRESENTATION THAT GOES DOWN THAT PATH, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DIVE TOO DEEP INTO THAT. 
          WHAT WE'RE MAINLY HERE TODAY IS, IS TO, LET'S SEE IF THIS IS FORWARD. 
          OH, HERE WE GO. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE MAINLY HERE TODAY IS JUST TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE, WHICH I KIND OF ALREADY DID, AND THEN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE, THE, THE, OUR GOALS FOR THE BALLPARK AND, UM, HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT, UH, THE, THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO, TO FULFILL THE AIRPORT COMMISSION'S, UM, NEEDS. 
          UM, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, SO THE SITE WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST, 2020, UM, TO HOUSE AS IT IS, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, BECAUSE, AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M NOT TOTALLY, UH, UP TO SPEED ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A SIDELINE SAFETY ZONE AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE, AND THAT REALLY SPLITS RIGHT KIND OF TO THE, THE A THIRD OF THE BALLPARK, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, UH, POPULATION DENSITY REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH ZONE. 
          UM, AND THEREIN LIES REALLY THE, THE CHALLENGE, UM, FOR BUILDING OUT THE, TO BUILDING OUT THE BALLPARK TO SERVE A MINOR LEAGUE TEAM. 
          UM, IF I, IF I, IF I MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER, UH, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S NEW FROM WHAT WE WANNA DO TO WHAT WAS APPROVED. 
          UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PERMANENT SEATING FOR UP TO 2,500 SPECTATORS. 
          UM, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE STADIUM IS OF THE, THE STADIUM PARK ITSELF WOULD BE ABOUT 35 FEET FOR, UM, PRESS BOX AND CAMERAS, UM, AND ANNOUNCERS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES WOULD BE UP TO, UH, 60 FEET AND THEY WOULD BE LED LIGHTS SHINING DOWN, NOT OUTWARD, YOU KNOW, NOT, 
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NOT THE OLD FASHIONED LIGHTS. 
          THEY WOULD BE DOWN IN THE FIELDS AS NOT TO OBSTRUCT ANY ON ANY AIR TRAFFIC. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE CAN I, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU? AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS, AND I, AND I HOPE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WE REALIZE IT, IT IS THE, OKAY, THE LIGHTING, I, I HAVE A SECTION HERE, LIGHTING AND MATERIALS. 
          SORRY, WE'RE GONNA GET TO LIGHTING AND MATERIALS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THE LIGHTING WOULD BE FULLY SHIELDED, DOWNWARD FACING, ELIMINATING GLARE STRUCTURES ARE NON-REFLECTIVE. 
          UM, AND WELL BELOW THE FAA OBSTRUCTED THRESHOLDS, UH, WE CAN SUBMIT FOR REVIEW. 
          UM, THERE WOULD ALSO BE NO SMOKE PYROTECHNICS OR BIRD ATTRACTING FEATURES TO BE USED ON SITE TO KEEP, UH, THAT AWAY. 
          UM, AS FAR AS POPULATION DENSITIES, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, LIGHTING, AND THEN THE DENSITIES. 
          UM, I MENTIONED WE WANTED TO HAVE SEATING FOR A MAXIMUM UP TO 2,500. 
          GENERALLY THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE, UH, AS WE'VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT IN THE SPREADSHEETS AND WHATNOT, AN AVERAGE ATTENDANCE FOR THE GAMES OF 1500 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE SEASON, UM, EACH, EACH GAME WOULD ALLOW FOR A BREAK EVEN, UH, TEAM. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE, IF YOU'D WONDER TO, WHY DO YOU WANT 2,500? IT IS JUST TO ALLOW FOR SOME OF THOSE BIGGER GAMES TO FLEX UP, TO MAKE UP FOR THE GAMES THAT ARE NOT SO WELL INTENDED. 
          UM, WE WERE ALSO HOPING TO UTILIZE THAT SAME FACILITY FOR, UH, THREE OR FOUR, UH, COMMUNITY CONCERTS, UH, BRINGING IN A, A LARGER, UH, MAYBE A, A LARGER NAME BAND TO COME IN AND PLAY, AND WE'D SET UP SOME SEATING, UM, SO THAT THAT COULD HOPEFULLY SELL OUT TO 2,500. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT'S ALSO JUST TO FUND THE FIELD, FUND THE MAINTENANCE, AND ALSO, UH, UH, ENSURE THE OVERALL PROFITABILITY OF, OF THE ENDEAVOR. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THE REGULAR YOUTH AND COLLEGE PRACTICES AND TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON, UM, JUST PROVIDING MORE COMFORTABLE SEATING AND, UM, CONCESSIONS FOR THEM. 
          UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PAGES FULL OF JUST THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE BACK, REPAIRING FIELD, REPAIRING BASEBALL FIELDS, AND, AND, AND EMPLOYING LOCAL, UH, YOU KNOW, VENDORS AND, UH, FOOD ARTISANS AND WHATNOT TO MAKE IT A FUN EXPERIENCE. 
          I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE DO WANNA KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, AND SO LET'S JUST GET TO THE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE BALLPARK ZONING. 
          OH, HERE'S A COUPLE THINGS YOU CAN LOOK AT. 
          SO HERE IS, UM, HERE'S THE CURRENT, UH, THE, I'LL CALL THE DEMARCATION POINT BETWEEN THE TWO ZONES ON THE FIELD. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS A, IS THE RENDERING THAT WE HAD DONE BY AN ARCHITECT, WHICH SHOWS, UH, MOST OF THE SEATING, AS YOU CAN SEE, WOULD BE IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE, NOT IN THE SIDELINE SAFETY ZONE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. 
          WE'VE ALSO, WE'D ALSO HAD SOME IDEAS OF PUTTING, UH, MORE GRASS SEEDING, UH, UP, UP IN THE KNOLL, UP IN, UH, KIND OF THE LEFT CENTER TRIANGLE THAT'S THERE AS, AS WELL. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE COULD GET INTO THE RIGHT CENTER, UM, TRIANGLE THAT'S THERE, DEPENDING ON THE SIDELINE SAFETY ZONE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, ANY PARKING AND CONCESSIONS WOULD STAY IN THE, IN THE LOWER LEFT AREA THAT YOU DON'T SEE FOR THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE . 
          UM, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THE BUILD OUT AND, AND THE, THE KIND OF THAT LINE. 
          AND AS, AND OBVIOUSLY ALL THAT'S NOT THERE EXCEPT FOR THE FIELD, THE SOLAR PANELS THERE, THERE'S NO LIGHTS. 
          UH, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS THERE. 
          UH, QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE HAVE QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL, I'M SURE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, IN, IN TERM, IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RISKS? WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANNA PUT, WE, WE DON'T WANT AN UPHILL BATTLE THAT'LL NEVER GET APPROVED. 
          WE DON'T, WE WANT MINIMIZE RISKS. 
          WE WANT, WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE FOR PEOPLE ATTENDING. 
          UM, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE LEAST PATH OF RESISTANCE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THIS, IS THIS A PERCEIVED THREAT WITH THE CURRENT AIRPORT TRAFFIC, THIS LOCATION THAT WE'RE IN? AND IS IT, IS IT, IS IT DANGEROUS TO PUT SOMETHING THERE OR A RISK? AND HAVE YOU, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT IS DONE IN THESE CASES AS YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE EXPERIENCED? THAT'S A QUESTION WE WOULD HAVE FOR YOU. 
          AND I CAN READ ALL THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE CAN TALK, OR WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COMPLETE THE, THE PACKAGE AND FINE. 
          THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, UH, IN TERMS OF TIME OF DAY HOURS, WHEN IS THE TRAFFIC FLIGHT THE HEAVIEST OR OR LEAST, AND IS THAT A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING GAMES WHERE WE COULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE, MORE DENSELY POPULATED GAMES OR ACTIVITIES WHEN TRAFFIC IS GENERALLY LIGHTER? UM, IS THERE A SEASONAL COMPONENT TO THE AIRPORT TRAFFIC? UM, CAN THE ORIENTATION OF THE SEATING REDUCE THE RISK FACTOR? AS YOU SAW ON THE DIAGRAM, WE HAD, UH, MORE STUFF IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE THAN THE SIDELINE SAFETY ZONE. 
          WE COULD DO MORE THERE IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN CAN SCHEDULING OF THE EVENTS, GAMES AND GATHERINGS HELP RISK WITH THE REDUCTION? 
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AND I THINK THAT GETS BACK TO, UM, TIME OF DAY, UH, SEASONAL SEASONALITY AND WHATNOT. 
          THOSE ARE OUR QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE SLIDE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND THAT'S IT. 
          AND NOW, AND NOW I'M DONE TALKING AND NOW WE CAN JUST TALK. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO, OR, UM, NO, NO, NO. 
          UM, I'M JUST, UH, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE HAD DONE PRIOR TO JOHN AND I GETTING TOGETHER, UM, I WAS HERE FOR THAT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY INITIALLY IN THE FIRST PHASE, THAT, UM, DREW HALTER FROM PARKS AND RECS, UH, CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UH, RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL $800,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING UP LIGHTS. 
          SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, EARLY IN THE FIRST PHASE. 
          AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU COULD GO BACK INTO THE NOTES AND, AND, AND SEE THOSE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE MINUTES. 
          UM, AS, AS FAR AS THE BACKGROUND ON THE FIELD GOES, UM, WHEN WE TOOK IT ON, WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE CITY, UM, AS THE LEGHORN NONPROFIT, THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE THIS, UH, DESTINATION BALL FIELD WHERE WE COULD, UH, CREATE A TRADITION OF TOURNAMENTS. 
          UH, WE HAD PRESENTED THE CITY WITH, UM, UH, MARKETING PLAN, IF YOU WILL, SHOWING HOW MANY TEAMS WOULD COME IN, HOW MANY TIMES OF YEAR, THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS AND COACHES PER TEAM ROOM NIGHTS, MEALS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT CAN EASILY BE EXTRAPOLATED TO THIS MINOR LEAGUE BALL FIELD. 
          AND THE MINOR LEAGUE BALL TEAM DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO DISRUPT THE USE OF THE FIELD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          EVERYTHING CAN BE SCHEDULED AROUND ONE ANOTHER. 
          UH, THE MINOR LEAGUE TEAM IS ON THE ROAD PART OF THE YEAR, SO THE CONFLICTS ARE VERY, VERY UNLIKELY. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE TRAVEL TEAMS HERE IN TOWN USING IT. 
          YOU COULD HAVE THE LEGHORNS USING IT, YOU COULD HAVE THE SENIOR LITTLE LEAGUE USING IT. 
          SO IT WOULD TRULY BE A COMMUNITY BALL FIELD. 
          THE ADDITIONAL SEATING ALLOWS US TO BRING IN MORE REVENUE WORK, WORK OUT SOME SORT OF ARRANGEMENT WITH THE CITY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS. 
          SO, ON PHASE ONE WAS THIS, UH, THE SEATING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LIGHTING WAS A PART OF PHASE ONE. 
          WAS THE SEATING PART OF PHASE ONE AS WELL, OR THE SEATING FOR THE, FOR PHASE ONE WAS FOR 500 PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WE CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, AND WE GOT A VARIANCE, UM, FOR 500 SEATS. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND THEN, UH, JUST I THINK COMMISSIONER SASSER PROBABLY HAS SOME MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM HERE, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR WOULD BE COME FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY, UM, AIRPORT LANDING COMMISSION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY TONIGHT WOULD JUST BE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY OBJECTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GO TO THE, THE COMMISSION TO SEEK ANY VARIANCES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FROM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS SAFETY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHERE A PLANE CAN FALL ON THEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OBVIOUSLY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR TONIGHT, AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS, WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THIS, IF WE CAN PUT THIS SEATING AS FAR, FAR AWAY FROM ANY TRAFFIC PATTERNS AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF AREA DOWN THE LEFT FIELD LINE, WHICH MOVES IT FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM THE RUNWAYS. 
          AND THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF AN ALTERNATE PLAN WHEN WE HAD ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, RECEIVED THE VARIANCE FOR THE 500 SEATS, THEY WERE GONNA BE POSITIONED BEHIND HOME PLATE WHERE MOST SEATING IS. 
          BUT THERE IS A LOT OF AREA DOWN THE LEFT FIELD LINE WHERE YOU COULD PUT A LOT OF SEATS. 
          COULD YOU PUT THAT GRAPHIC BACK UP AGAIN? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. 
          SEE THE, UM, THE FIELD IN CONTEXT AND WHERE THE LINE HITS. 
          YOU WANT THE, THE WIDE ONE, 
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AND THAT IS THE CURRENT ORIENTATION OF THE FIELD. 
          I'M SORRY, THAT IS, YES. 
          THAT, THAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE TURF PORTION OF THE FIELD IS EXACTLY WHERE IT SITS RIGHT NOW. 
          HMM. 
          I THOUGHT DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THE AGREEMENT IT COULD GET CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MOVED FURTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ONE HOME PLATE WOULD BE ORIENTED CLOCKWISE, PROBABLY 45 DEGREES. 
          UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE GOING TO BE THE FINAL ARRANGEMENT, WHICH WOULD'VE PUT YOUR SEATING OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, SIDE SAFETY ZONE. 
          WHAT I DO HAVE, AND THIS MAY, IF THIS ENGINE, IF I CAN HAND THIS, I KNOW THIS WAS THE, THE APPROVED ONE THAT CAME FROM SONOMA COUNTY, YOU'LL SEE IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CERTIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THERE'S ONE OTHER ELEMENT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I JUST WANNA ADD BEYOND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VERY REAL SAFETY CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, AIRCRAFT THAT DO HAVE AN ENGINE ISSUE ON TAKEOFF, RIGHT? THEY'RE YEAH. 
          ROTATED. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO DOWN SOMEWHERE IN THIS VICINITY, RIGHT? SO IT IS, IT ISN'T JUST A PAPER SAFETY CONCERN, IT IS A REAL SAFETY CONCERN FOR PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS FOR PEOPLE IN THE AIRCRAFT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO RUN INTO. 
          RIGHT? BUT THERE'S ANOTHER COMPONENT OF LAND USE AROUND AIRPORTS, WHICH I DON'T WANNA LOSE TRACK OF, WHICH IS JUST THE, THE NOISE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          UM, AND ON FROM SOME PERSPECTIVES, THIS IS A GREAT SORT OF NEIGHBOR FROM A NOISE PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TRYING TO SLEEK, SO SEATING WELL, YOU'RE TAKING OFF, RIGHT? SO FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S SOME BENEFIT THERE. 
          BUT, UM, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL, AND THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP TO HAVE, UH, A BATTLE BETWEEN FOLKS TRYING TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERT AND AIRCRAFT TAKING OFF, AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLAINING THAT THE AIRPLANES ARE MAKING NOISE WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE THEIR EVENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND BINGO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AROUND AIRPORTS, YOU KNOW, YOU DEVELOP THE LAND IN, IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND EVEN THOUGH THE AIRPORT WAS THERE FIRST, IT BECOMES THE NUISANCE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SECONDARY TO THE ACTUAL SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR AIRPORT LAND USE. 
          SO, IS THAT, UM, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE ABSURD WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVEN'T KIND OF LIVED THIS PROCESS IN OTHER AIRPORTS PERHAPS, BUT IT, IT DOES HAPPEN QUITE FREQUENTLY WHERE SOMETHING GETS BUILT NEAR AN AIRPORT AND BE LIKE, WHY IS THIS SO NOISY? AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, THESE G*****N PLANES FLYING OVER MY BALL GAME. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PART OF YOUR THINKING AS WELL, THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE OUTDOOR CONCERT IDEA, UM, IF THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF AIR TRAFFIC NOISE, THEN THAT WOULD JUST GO AWAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MAKE OR BREAK. 
          I MEAN, IT IS A BALL FIELD. 
          IT IS DESIGNED FOR BASEBALL, AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'D BE SIGNING A LEASE TO A, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, UH, VENDOR THAT WOULD BE PROVIDING THIS ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE, IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, THIS WOULDN'T COME BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, SO IS THE, I MEAN, THE SAME ISSUE OCCURS FOR A BALL GAME. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT MM-HMM . 
          PLAY GOING ON. 
          PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE SPORTS ANNOUNCERS ARE GONNA GET DROWNED OUT BY AIR TRAFFIC. 
          SO IT'S THE SAME THAT HAPPENS. 
          THAT HAPPENS IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PARKS TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A THING, BUT YES, IT IS. 
          I, YEAH, I CAN, IT'S A, UH, I WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING, UH, ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE, AND I KNOW SCOTT AARONS WAS THE, UM, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AT THAT TIME, I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST YEAR. 
          UH, AND HE, THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS WAS A VERY HARD LIMIT ON THE 500 PEOPLE ATTENDING. 
          WE ALREADY, UM, HAVE HAD THE SCIENCE OF THE SOULS COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS LARGE GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE ONLY TWICE A YEAR, UM, UH, AND THEY ARE ONLY UNDER THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE. 
          AND THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN. 
          UM, MY OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHAT KIND OF PARKING STUDY HAVE YOU DONE? UM, WE HAVE NOT DONE A FORMAL PARKING STUDY OR A TRAFFIC STUDY, A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          WE HAVE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE HAD PRESENTED TO, UM, TO, UH, PEGGY FLYNN AND PARKING RECS ORGANIZATION ABOUT RUNNING SHUTTLES FROM DOWNTOWN, UM, HAVING SHUTTLES RUNNING AN HOUR BEFORE GAMES, A HOUR AFTER GAMES TO MINIMIZE THE DENSITY OF, OF PARKING NEEDS. 
          UM, WE HAVE TALKED WITH, UM, ROOSTER ABOUT, UH, LEASING SOME OF THEIR PARKING LOT OFF HOURS. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE IS SOME PARKING AT THE BALL FIELD ITSELF RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT IS UNDEVELOPED GRAVEL 
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AREAS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S PARKING SPACE, BUT NO TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          THE IDEA OF RUNNING SHUTTLES TO AND FROM DOWNTOWN WAS PART OF OUR, UH, OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY TO, UM, THE BUSINESSES AND ALSO TO REDUCE, YOU KNOW, CAR BY CAR TRAFFIC. 
          DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THE FIELD NOW, INCLUDING THE GRAVEL? UM, I HAVE IN MY PRESENTATION. 
          THE OTHER ONE I HAVE, I COUNTED ALL THE SPOTS. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE HAD, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, FIND 500 SPOTS, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THE METRIC THAT WE HAD FOUND WAS A THREE TO ONE RATIO FOR BALL FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT. 
          SO IF WE HAD AN AVERAGE OF 1500 AND PARKING FOR 500 AND RUNNING SHUTTLES, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE COULD, COULD MOVE AT LEAST 500 PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF, IN AND OUT OF DOWNTOWN IN ANY GIVEN GAME, UM, I THINK WE'D HAVE ENOUGH SPACES TO, TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          AND HAVE YOU DEVELOPED AN EVACUATION PLAN? NO. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          WE HAVE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR, FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S, THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. 
          YOU KNOW, I ATTENDED THE SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSIONS WHEN SCIENCE OF THE SOULS WAS SEEKING TO DO SOME EXPANSION ON THEIR, UH, STRUCTURE THAT THEY HAVE NOW, AND THE BEING ABLE TO EVACUATE THE AREA, THE PEOPLE QUICKLY AND SAFELY, IF THERE'S AN INCIDENCE, YOU'VE GOT ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC ISSUE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DENSITY IS REALLY A, A MAJOR CONCERN, UM, AS FAR AS SAFETY, AND THEN THE COMPETING USE AS FAR AS THE, THE SOUND OF AIRCRAFT TRAFFIC. 
          WE ALREADY DO A DEVIATION IN THE PATTERN FOR NOISE ABATEMENT ON THE TWO OR THREE, WELL, THE TWO, I THINK IT'S WEEKENDS OR WHEN THE SCIENCE OF THE SOULS HAVE THEIR EVENT. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS. 
          IT'S A VERY COMPATIBLE USE, UH, AT THAT DENSITY. 
          THE 500 PUTTING BLEACHERS IN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS AGREED UPON PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO. 
          YOU SAID IT WAS 20? IT'S A FEW, YEAH. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS BEFORE 2020 TO ME, BUT YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK THE DATE ON THAT DOCUMENT HE GAVE WAS 2020. 
          YEAH. 
          I RECALL, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN 2020, UM, WHEN THIS PROPOSAL CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WAS, UH, HAD THE CITY TAKEN THIS PROPOSAL, OR HAD YOU AS A PROPONENTS TAKEN THE PROPOSAL TO THE SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL? AND WE WERE TOLD AT THE TIME, BY A CITY, UM, PERSON, UH, THAT THE PROJECT WAS DEEMED APPROVED. 
          IT NEVER TOOK IT TO THE SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION. 
          AND THAT KIND OF STRUCK US AS A LITTLE STRANGE, UH, BUT APPARENTLY BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR PERSON'S, UH, VIEW OF THINGS, UM, THEY ASSESSED THAT IT WAS APPROVABLE, BUT THEY, AGAIN, THEY NEVER TOOK IT TO THE AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION. 
          AND THE A LEC IS, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, IS REQUIRED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AT EACH COUNTY THAT HAS AIRPORTS, AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND DENSITIES ON THE GROUND AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THAT THE A LUC HAS A LIMIT OF, I THINK IT'S 50 PEOPLE PER ACRE THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. 
          AT ANY ONE TIME ZONE WHEN AIRCRAFT OR FLYING IN TRAFFIC PATTERN AND ALL THAT. 
          AND SO AT 500 PLUS, THAT WOULD SORT OF NOT BE WITHIN THAT REALM. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PETALUMA AND BRING IN A LOT OF REVENUE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP PUTTING OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE MIGHT BE, UM, AT, UM, CROSS ANGLES WITH, UH, A REGULATION THAT'S IN PLACE BY THE COUNTY, HENCE THE STATE THAT THEN PETALUMA AIRPORT MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THE FUTURE AND PUT A BURDEN ON THE CITY. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT AT YOU. 
          NO, I THINK, I THINK WE HAD INTENDED TO, TO GO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY LEVEL AND THEN, AND, AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE ON THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          AND GET YOUR, AND, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR CONCERNS, UH, 
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GET YOUR BLESSINGS OR YOUR DISAPPROVALS, WE CAN WEIGH ALL THAT TO SEE LIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING, BECAUSE MEAN, I MEAN, CHRIS AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS DONE FOR TWO YEARS AND  SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT, UM, EVEN EVENTUALLY WE WILL RUN OUT OF ENERGY OR, AND THE GROUP WILL FIND ANOTHER LOCATION AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT, AND SO BE IT IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. 
          BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO YEAH. 
          WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO BALLPARK, SO TO SPEAK. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BALLPARK. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IS ONE THING I DO WANNA MENTION WITH REGARD TO SCIENCE OF THE SOUL, AND THAT IS THAT FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE AND THE OVAL AROUND THE AIRPORT, UH, THE SCIENCE OF THE SOUL PRESENTS IN, IN MY OPINION, IS SOMEBODY WHO FLIES OUT THERE QUITE A BIT, A PRACTICAL, UM, SAFETY ISSUE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE AN ENGINE OFF OF RUNWAY TWO NINE, IT'S GONNA PUT YOU RIGHT IN THAT AREA OF MM-HMM . 
          SCIENCE OF THE SOUL. 
          NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE, ANYTHING INSIDE THAT OVAL IS OBVIOUSLY CONSIDERED PART OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST AIRCRAFT, WE HAVEN'T, IF THEY FOLLOW THE NOISE BAIT AND PROCEDURE, YOU'RE CLIMBING 800 FEET BEFORE YOUR CROSS WIND TURN, MOST DOWNWIND LEGS ARE FLOWN OUTSIDE ADOBE ROAD. 
          FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY AIRCRAFT FLYING OVER THIS LOCATION DIRECTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF INSIDE THAT, THAT AREA. 
          THEY'VE GOT AUTO GYROS OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, ALL DAY LONG . 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE AUTO GYROS PRESENT, I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE GUYS ARE OUTSIDE OF IT AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT OVER IT, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, BUT MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE FIXED WING AIRCRAFT ARE FAR OUTSIDE OF IT. 
          WELL, AND ONE OTHER THING, UM, THAT SOME FOLKS MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, UM, THAT WHEN YOU SHOWED THAT, UH, PHOTOGRAPH, UM, THAT HALF OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE RUNWAY MM-HMM . 
          THAT IS AIRPORT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT WAS PURCHASED WITH FAA GRANT FUNDS. 
          AND THE PURPOSE OF PUR PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY AND DEVELOPING IT AS A GOLF COURSE SUCH AS WE'VE PLAYED, UH, WAS TO PROVIDE A SAFETY ZONE BETWEEN THE RUNWAY ENVIRONMENT AND ANY POTENTIAL CONTROL ACCUMULATION OF PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THANKFULLY, OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS, BUT WE HAVE HAD INCIDENTS, AS JEFF MENTIONED, ON TAKEOFF, AND SOME GUY HAD TO PUT IT DOWN IN THE, IN THE FAIRWAY AND, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE BALLPARK LIMIT FENCE WOULD'VE BEEN. 
          SO GIVEN THAT WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE ENDANGERING ANY OF THE PLAYERS, THE FANS, PEOPLE PARKED IN CARS OR WHATEVER, LET ALONE IN A, A NIGHT CONCERT OR SOMETHING, UM, AT THAT, 'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED BACK EAST WHEN THAT UPS PLANE WENT DOWN, SO, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          AND WE JUST WANT TO TRY TO LIMIT ANY POTENTIAL HAZARD FOR ANYONE, EITHER IN THE AIR OR ON THE GROUND. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. 
          SURE. 
          NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I GET THAT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH THE COUNTY, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE, I MEAN, I, I THINK, UM, YOU SAID MS. SER THAT THEY WERE PRETTY FIRM ON THE 500 YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BILL. 
          UM, THEY WERE VERY FIRM ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EVACUATION PLANS AND CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE AT THE SCIENCE OF THE SOUL. 
          SO, AS I SAID THIS, AS TOM SAID, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT NEVER WENT BEFORE SONOMA COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION, THE BALL FIELD. 
          IT, IT STILL TO THIS DATE, YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS NOT. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          IT HAS NOT. 
          THE, THE CITY, AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY SENIOR STAFF PERSON AT THE TIME SAID THAT HE DEEMED IT APPROVED WITHOUT EVER TAKING IT TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND WE TOOK UMBRA AND THAT WHEN WE WERE TOLD TO BASICALLY BE QUIET. 
          SO THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE HISTORY IN THIS. 
          SO ANYWAY, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THE BALLS COVERED, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T COME OFF KILTER WITH SOME OTHER REQUIREMENT THAT COULD END UP IMPOSING ON YOU MM-HMM . 
          OR ON THE CITY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO MAKE SURE YOU GOT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, ALL YOUR BALLS IN A ROW BEFORE YOU'VE GOT TOO FAR DOWN THIS ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, PETALUMA CITY SEEMS TO PUT THAT SECONDARY WHEN THEY START BUILDING STUFF. 
          SO  AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING 500 CARS GO 
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GOING IN THERE PART OF THE DAY AND OUT THE REST OF THE DAY JUST ON WASHINGTON STREET,  . 
          YEAH. 
          I'D BE, I'D BE PREPARED TO INCLUDE A STOPLIGHT AT THE AIRPORT ENTRANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IF IN YOUR PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE AN ISSUE YEAH. 
          ON THIS FREQUENCY WITH THE SCIENCE OF THE SOULS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR. 
          AND IT IS A PROBLEM. 
          YOU CAN WAIT, YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTES TO GET OFF THE AIRPORT  WHEN SCIENCE OF THE SOULS IS DONE WITH THEIR SESSIONS. 
          BUT EVERYBODY, WE'VE ALL WORKED IT OUT, EVERYBODY GETS ALONG, BUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND EVERYBODY GETS LOTS OF NOTICE, DAN NOTICES ALL THE PILOTS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A LOT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR A LARGE CONGREGATION OF PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE TRAFFIC PATTERN ZONE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET NOTICED BY THE INFORMATION THAT WE LISTEN TO BEFORE WE DEPART THE AIRPORT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T, JUST, THE, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THE PILOTS, BUT JUST THE FREQUENCY AND THE DENSITY, UM, UH, YEAH. 
          I JUST, I DON'T SEE IT BEING A SAFE USE OR, OR A, A NON-COMPETING USE. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK IT THREATENS THE AIRPORT'S LONGEVITY IN MY, MY OWN OPINION, SO, OH, PLEASE. 
          NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND, AND THE OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK WITH YOU ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I THINK IN GENERAL, LIKE, I MEAN, I KID PLAYS BALL, RIGHT? LIKE, IT'D BE GREAT, BUT I, I DO THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY VALID CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS IS ALSO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY THIS BODY'S FINAL DECISION, RIGHT? LIKE WE CAN, YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, OFFER DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE DON'T GET TO SAY YAY OR NAY. 
          UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, THAT THE TWO OF YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE ON YOUR TEAM REALLY TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE, UM, SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION, UH, WEBSITE, AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIKE, BOOK ONLINE OF, OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT THOSE LIMITS ARE. 
          THERE'S ALSO, UH, AN FAA, UH, GUIDEBOOK FOR LAND USE SENSITIVITY AROUND AIRPORTS THAT HAS POPULATION DENSITIES, INVESTIBLE LEVELS, AND, AND TYPES OF USE THAT ARE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BOTH BE REALLY GOOD RESOURCES FOR YOU TO JUST HAVE THE BACKGROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COMING TO, TO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S NOT JUST, WHILE, WHILE THE, THE POPULATION DENSITY DURING THE GAME IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE, WE WOULD ALSO EXPECT THAT THE POPULATION DENSITY CAUSED BY ANY TRAFFIC JAMS GETTING ON OR OFF, UH, THAT FACILITY WOULD ALSO BE RELEVANT. 
          UM, AND THOSE MIGHT HAVE, UM, THOSE MIGHT BE DIRECTLY IN THAT PATH OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA BE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, RISK IS EXPOSURE IS PART OF YOUR RISK EQUATION. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC JAMS POTENTIALLY A SHORTER EXPOSURE THAN THE GAME ITSELF, BUT IT'S NOT ZERO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK THE EVACUATION PLANS SPEAK TO THAT SAME ISSUE OF EVERYBODY TRYING TO LEAVE ALL AT ONCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AND I, I WOULD, I'D SAY MAYBE, UM, IF, IF WE HAD MORE INFORMATION ON THE EXACT TRACKS THAT THE AUTO GYROS TAKE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A, A LITTLE BIT MORE HARD WORK TO DO, AND THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA SEE US ACTUALLY GET AN APPROVAL THIS TIME AROUND FOR EXPANDING THE PROJECT . 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO COME BACK AND REPRESENT OR ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE NEXT STEP BEING? WELL, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO OPEN A CONVERSATION WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY LAND USE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE AS THE APPLICANT, THAT WOULD COME FROM YOU, NOT FROM US. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SOME SITUATIONAL AWARENESS ON THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE NICE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A YOU APPLICATION THING, NOT AN US APPLICATION THING. 
          UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE BROUGHT BACK TO US BEFORE THEY WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT PROCESS? OR IS IT JUST REALLY OUR PERSPECTIVE THAT WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THAT THAT HAPPENS THIS TIME? THE UC WOULD BE THE NEXT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, AND ALEX, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING YET. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION? THAT'S OKAY. 
          NO, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK MAYBE IF, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU ADDRESS KIND OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS TONIGHT, MAYBE A FOLLOW UP PRESENTATION TO JUST KIND OF CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          BEING NEIGHBORS KIND OF THING. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          GOING BACK TO THE NOISE THING TOO, THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE OR MAKE 
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THE COMMISSION MORE COMFORTABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THE BALL FIELD, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY'S COOL WITH THE NOISE AND, UH, THAT, THAT SORT OF A THING. 
          BUT YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS TELL US, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE THINGS BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND UPFRONT, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT LIKE, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR AIRPLANES DURING YOUR BASEBALL GAMES, , AND WE REALIZE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR AIRPLANES DURING OUR BASEBALL GAMES. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH COMFORT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE ME LONG TERM, RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY SENTIMENT THAT GETS BUILT AROUND THAT PRO OR, OR A CON, RIGHT, OF IS THIS A NUISANCE OR IS THIS AN ASSET? AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN WRITING AND WHETHER OR NOT THE TWO OF YOU ARE OKAY WITH IT, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S NOT GONNA TURN INTO BEING A PERCEIVED NUISANCE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO I'M NOT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A, A BETTER IDEA  FOR THAT LONG TERM CONSIDERATION, BUT, BUT NOISE CONSIDERATIONS ARE PART OF THAT FAA LAND USE DOCUMENT. 
          SO WE COULD DO SOME, YOU COULD DO SOME LOOKING AT, AT THAT AND SEE JUST HOW SENSITIVE, UM, WE MIGHT EXPECT THIS USAGE TO BE TO THE NOISE THAT WE COULD EXPECT TO HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO COME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR OCTOBER MEETING. 
          DID ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, EDITS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE PRIOR TO A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION? WE APPROVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ALL THEY APPROVING MINUTES. 
          AYE A ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU CLAUDIA, AS ALWAYS FOR PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER FOR US. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS OR MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION BESIDES WHAT WE, WE JUST DID, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT. 
          SO WE'LL CHECK THAT OFF AND MOVE ALONG. 
          UH, 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, DID YOU WANNA PROVIDE A COUNCIL UPDATE? YEAH. 
          SO MONDAY, A FEW DAYS AGO, UM, IN OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, WE DID AWARD THE CONTRACTS TO FIX TAXIWAYS A AND B. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT STARTS SOON. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          NOT MUCH ELSE ABOUT THE AIRPORT STEALING DANCE THUNDER. 
          I SEE. 
          FINALLY, YEAH, , SORRY, DAN HOORAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN TELL EVERYONE WHEN IT'S GONNA START. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR THE MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, CLAUDIA, FOR LISTING THEM. 
          THAT MAKES MY JOB MUCH EASIER. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, HANGER DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF I MIGHT, UM, JEFF AND I GOT TOGETHER, UH, WEEK OR TWO BACK AND, UH, HAD A REALLY GOOD CUP OF COFFEE AT PETE'S. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT ASIDE . 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR, UM, DEVELOPING SOME OF THE UNUSED LAND, UH, THAT'S OPEN AT THE AIRPORT. 
          AND OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL HANGAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND OF COURSE, UM, THE FIRST STEP IS DETERMINING WHERE THE HECK ARE WE NOW? WELL, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT OPEN LAND THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED. 
          IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH, UM, ZONED AVIATION, COMMERCIAL AND ZONED AIRCRAFT STORAGE. 
          WE'VE ALSO GOT, UM, NOT A LONG WAITING LIST. 
          WE USED TO HAVE A WAITING LIST IN THE LAST PROJECT 20 YEARS, GEEZ, 20 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, , WE HAD 150 PLUS PEOPLE ON THAT WAITING LIST, AND WE BUILT 55 HANGERS, FILLED THEM UP, AND WE STILL HAD A WAITING LIST. 
          NOW WE'VE GOT 20 SOMETHING. 
          AND SO WHAT, UM, JEFF AND I TALKED ABOUT WAS PERHAPS WHAT WE COULD DO TO HELP DETERMINE THE NEED BECAUSE WE HEAR HANGAR SHORTAGE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ACCORDING TO A OPA AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, TO CONTACT THE OTHER PILOT CLUBS AT VARIOUS AIRPORTS AROUND, UH, THE BAY AREA AND, UM, SEE IF THERE IS A DEMAND THAT'S NOT OBVIOUS. 
          OBVIOUSLY SOME AIRPORTS, UH, UH, SAN CARLOS, SAN MATEO, ALL THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR WAITING LIST IS GENERATIONAL . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, IF WE COULD CONTACT THOSE OTHER PILOT GROUPS AND PERHAPS THE AIRPORTS AND DO SOME RESEARCH INTO WHAT THEIR POTENTIAL WAITING LISTS MIGHT BE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A SENSE OF IF PEOPLE COULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT COMING UP HERE IF A HANGAR WERE AVAILABLE. 
          AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WE HAD WAS THAT WHILE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A $400 NON, YOU KNOW, REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT ON THE, UH, WAITING LIST, UM, THAT MIGHT DETER SOME PEOPLE IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THE HANGAR WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR FIVE. 
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SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT PUTTING OUT AN OPTION IS IF, HEY, PERHAPS IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET ON THE WAITING LIST, BUT NOT PUT ANY MONEY OUT AT THIS POINT, NOT THAT YOU'D HAVE PRIORITY, BUT THAT YOU COULD AT LEAST GET ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MIGHT BE INTERESTED. 
          GET 'EM ON THE LIST AND SEE WHAT WE GOT AND THEN FOLLOW UP AND REINFORCE THAT AND SEE IF THAT GENERATES ANY MORE INTEREST. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, OTHER THAN OCCASIONAL COMMERCIAL LARGE TURBINE AIRCRAFT, POTENTIAL TENANTS THAT CONTACT DAN ABOUT AVAILABILITY OF 55 AND 60 FOOT HANGERS. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT WE'D HAVE TO NAIL THEM DOWN TOO. 
          SO THAT WHOLE MIX IS TOTALLY UNDEFINED AT THIS POINT. 
          AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET AT THE NEED FINANCIALLY. 
          WE'RE IN A GOOD SPACE, GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD A GOOD, UM, TRACK RECORD, WE'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DEVELOP FUNDING TO DEVELOP POTENTIAL HANGERS AND ON AND ON. 
          SO, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SUPPORT FROM THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. 
          BUT THE BIG THING IS THE DEMAND. 
          THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS PUT OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY, BUILD HANGERS, HAVE 'EM JUST COLLECT DUST 'CAUSE THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. 
          SO I THINK WHAT OUR NEXT STEP MIGHT BE IS FOR JEFF AND MYSELF, PERHAPS TO TALK WITH DAN AND SEE WHAT YOUR CONTACTS MIGHT BE, DAN, AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO WITH HELPING TO FIND THAT DEMAND AND SEE IF WE CAN START NAILING THAT DOWN. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE FUZZIEST PIECE AT THIS POINT, BUT IF WE CAN GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THAT, THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHAT MIGHT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT MIGHT THE, UM, COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT, UH, HANGAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE. 
          I MEAN, WE GOT SOME GOOD INPUT FROM MEAT HUNT, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST IDEAS. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO SEE WHERE THE DEMAND IS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'LL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT STEP IS JEFF AND I GET TOGETHER WITH DAN AND SEE IF WE CAN LOCK IN, UM, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT CONNECTING WITH OTHER AIRPORT CLUBS AND, UH, AND THEIR DEMANDS, WHAT INFORMATION PERHAPS MEAT HUNT MIGHT HAVE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY DO, UH, PROJECTS ALL AROUND THE AREA. 
          THEY MAY HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF DIFFERENT AIRPORTS THAT HAVE HIGH DEMAND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE. 
          SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          SO I DON'T, YEAH, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE WAITING LIST NOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S HARD TO BE ON A WAITING LIST FOR HANGER SIZES. 
          WE DON'T HAVE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR 50 BY 65 TYPE HANGERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM . 
          UM, MAYBE THERE'S A REASON THEY'RE NOT ON THE LIST CURRENTLY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DEMAND IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD SOME HANGERS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT FILL IS NOT REALLY A, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH A SOLID BUSINESS PLAN. 
          OTHER AIRPORTS HAVE DONE THAT AND WE DON'T WANT, DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          SO JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GONNA MOVE AND WE HAVE THE, THE ADVANTAGE IS WE HAVE A CLEAN SLATE. 
          WE CAN PRETTY MUCH DO WHATEVER WE WANT. 
          I THINK IT WAS EASIER LAST TIME, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, BUILD SOME TEE HANGERS AND, YOU KNOW, FILL, THEY WILL COME RIGHT. 
          , UM, THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT COMES SOME CHALLENGES OF FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS. 
          SO JUST FIGURING OUT THE DEMAND, UH, AS BEST WE CAN AND GO FROM THERE. 
          DO WE KNOW WHETHER, UM, SANTA ROSA'S AT CAPACITY, NAPA IS AT CAPACITY? I BELIEVE THEIR HANGERS ARE. 
          THEIR HANGERS ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I KNOW THEY WERE SIX MONTHS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST CURIOUS. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS, UM, THE HANGAR WAIT LIST POLICY WAS AN AD HOC COMMUNITY THAT WE HAD A LITTLE WHILE AGO AS WELL, TRYING TO GET AT THE BOTTOM OF LIKE HOW LEGITIMATE THE WAIT LIST WAS. 
          UM, IS THAT YOU GUYS DO AND MAR AND MARCUS? THAT WAS MARCUS. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS MARCUS. 
          UM, DO WE WANT TO, I THINK WE SHOULD CONNECT THOSE DOTS, BUT THAT GETS TRICKY WITH HAVING TOO MANY OF YOU IN THE SAME CONVERSATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO JUST AS A, AS A MAYBE OPPORTUNITY TO LIAISE BETWEEN , SO YOU'RE ON BOTH OF 'EM, RIGHT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO MAYBE WHEN MARCUS IS BACK, UH, YOU AND MARCUS CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WAY TO COMBINE OR AT LEAST COORDINATE MM-HMM . 
          THOSE TWO EFFORTS, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THOSE BEING DUPLICATIVE IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S OUR INTENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. 
          GREAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, WANTED TO FLAG THAT. 
          UM, SO WE'LL ROLL THOSE TOGETHER. 
          UM, NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. 
          THANKS FOR MM-HMM . 
          WORKING ON THAT. 
          UM, THE PROJECT PROCESSES, ONE WAS ACTUALLY ME, UH,  A WHILE AGO. 
          UM, HOPING TO GET AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SLOWING DOWN, UH, OUR ABILITY, 
          [00:45:01]
DAN'S ABILITY TO GET THESE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS SORTED ON THE AIRPORT. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AT LEAST STARTED TO OVERCOME AND PERSEVERE. 
          UM, I NEVER DID GET, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SOME OF WHICH BEING MY OWN AVAILABILITY, UM, BUT ALSO SORT OF A LACK OF INTEREST  FROM THE CITY STAFF TO ENGAGE. 
          I THINK, UM, I NEVER GOT ANY TRACTION ON SEEING IF WE COULD ACTUALLY GO ABOUT CHANGING THAT. 
          UM, SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TEMPERATURE OF THE GROUP TONIGHT. 
          IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT STILL AN ACUTE NEED, RIGHT? LIKE, DO WE NEED TO PICK THAT BACK UP? UM, AND, AND PERHAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, KAREN AS OUR LIAISON PREVIOUSLY, MAYBE ALEX HAS GET SOMETHING ELSE TO OFFER TO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, DOES THAT STILL FEEL LIKE AN ACUTE NEED THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH AN AD HOC ON THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD JUST LET THAT GO AND CONTINUE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN? I THINK PROBABLY THE, THE, I THINK THE, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE BIGGEST REASONS FOR HANGAR ROW TWO AND 18. 
          WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES AND REASONS IT TOOK SO LONG AND HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, AVOID THOSE IN THE FUTURE? AND IF WE HAVE ANOTHER HANGAR INCIDENT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE AVOID SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN THESE LAST TWO PROJECTS, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MAYBE SOUNDS LIKE DANNY AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND DEBRIEF HOW THAT WENT FOR YOU. 
          SURE. 
          AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE COULD, THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, UH, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THE STATUS OF THOSE AND WHETHER THEY'RE PUBLIC, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME, SOME MOVEMENT TO HELP WITH ALL THOSE, SO, OKAY. 
          UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND KIND OF FACILITIES IN GENERAL. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, YEAH, AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO IT, I CAN, I CAN HELP, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SET MEETINGS UP WITH STAFF OR, OR PUSH FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE, THAT THAT MIGHT BE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          LET'S, UM, I'LL REACH OUT DAN AND MAYBE WE CAN JUST FIND A TIME TO SIT DOWN. 
          UM, SOUNDS GREAT. 
          AND, UH, CLA WE HAD, WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE ON, WAS IT MARCUS ALSO THAT HE'S, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MARCUS ON THE  PROJECT PROCESSES. 
          OH, PROJECT PROCESSES. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I'LL CONFIRM WITH HIM THAT HE'S STILL INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THAT WITH ME, AND IF NOT, WE CAN SWAP 'EM OUT. 
          BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WILL MAKE A NOTE FOR MYSELF TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, DAN, ON THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, MAYBE ALEX, I CAN LOOP, LOOP IN WITH YOU AND SEE THINGS WHERE THINGS STAND. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AIRPORT ACCESS. 
          I THINK THAT WAS, I THINK I WAS ON THAT ONE AS WELL, BUT I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH WRAPPED THAT UP. 
          I THINK WE, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THIS ONE OUT OR CAN WE JUST, I DON'T REALLY SEE A NEED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE NEW GUEST ACCESS POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK, YEAH, THAT WAS THE OUTPUT OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          DON'T, DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, ANY OBJECTION TO ELIMINATING THE AIRPORT ACCESS AD HOC COMMITTEE? OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING MORE OFFICIAL THAN THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          , UM, HANGAR REPAIRS? YEAH. 
          APPARENTLY CREATED AN AD HOC FOR THAT ONE, BUT I DON'T, I KNOW DAN'S BEEN WORKING ON IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I WANNA SAY IT WAS, UH, UM, MARCUS AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS COLIN AND MARCUS WERE WORKING THAT ONE FOR A WHILE. 
          WE, WE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS. 
          I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS ON THAT, BUT I DON'T RECALL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL LET'S LEAVE IT HERE UNTIL MARK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST GENERAL REPAIRS. 
          I THINK THE TWO, THE TWO REPAIRS WERE THE, THE POINT OF FOCUS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE LOOK AT MAINTENANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE A LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE ISSUES OR MAINTENANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW MY HANGAR DOOR HAD TROUBLE. 
          YOU DID GET TO IT, BUT IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE PRIOR TO IT BREAKING . 
          FAIR . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO I, I THINK ESPECIALLY SINCE WE WILL HAVE MORE FUNDS COMING AVAILABLE, UM, IN THE NEXT, IN THE UPCOMING YEARS, UH, THAT MAY BE DEVELOPING A, UH, MAINTENANCE PLAN OR, YOU KNOW, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN ON THE HANGERS OR, YOU KNOW, JUST, I KNOW YOU, YOU DO BEAUTIFUL FIVE YEAR PLANS . 
          SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE IS FIVE, 10 YEAR JUST A, LIKE SURE. 
          YOU SAID THE AVERAGE, THE LIFESPAN OF A HA OF A HANGER IS PROBABLY, WHAT, 30 TO 50 YEARS? AND THESE ARE HITTING THAT, YOU KNOW, OR RIGHT IN THERE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR 40 YEAR ANNIVERSARY ON 
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SOME OF THEM. 
          UH, SO THAT MIGHT BE A WORTHWHILE YEAH. 
          IF, IF WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE IN A AD HOC YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE GOOD WHEN, UM, MARCUS IS BACK CALLING YOU AND, AND MARCUS CAN PICK THAT UP WITH A MORE JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE FOCUS INSTEAD OF JUST THE SPECIFIC HANG REPAIRS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL TRY AND GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, WAIT LIST IS THE LAST ONE LIST, BUT YOU'RE GONNA CHECK IN WITH MARCUS ABOUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          COORDINATING THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, STAN, YOU'RE 
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UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST STARTING OUT WITH THE FINANCES, UM, WE'RE STILL PRETTY EAR, UH, EARLY IN THE YEAR, THE FISCAL YEAR REPORTING, UM, WE'RE, WE'VE PROVIDED DOCUMENTS, UH, UNTIL THE END OF, UM, SHOWING THE END OF SEPTEMBER. 
          UH, THIS, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, WHICH IS, UH, SEPTEMBER, 2025, WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 389,000 IN REVENUE AND A 233 UH, THOUSAND IN, UM, EXPENDITURES VERY EARLY YET. 
          UM, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LAST, UM, HANGER, UH, LOAN PAYMENT THAT IS BEING PAID, I BELIEVE THIS MONTH, UH, LAST PAYMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL DEFINITELY THROW THE NUMBERS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE TRACKING REALLY WELL. 
          THIS IS A, A PRETTY BIG BUDGET AS YOU SEE THIS YEAR. 
          AS A REMINDER, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING A LOT OF REVENUE HERE. 
          MOST OF THAT IS GRANT FUNDED. 
          UM, OVER 5 MILLION OF THAT IS, IS GRANT FUNDED REVENUE, OR SORRY, UM, THREE TO 4 MILLION. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, TAKEN A LOT OF OUR GRANT FUNDS AND PROJECT EXPENDITURES, AND WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, ANTICIPATING, UH, SPENDING ABOUT A THIRD OF IT, UM, THROUGH OUR TWO PAVING PROJECTS, UM, DURING THE FISCAL 26TH YEAR THAT ENDS JUNE 30TH, AND THEN PROBABLY THE OTHER TWO THIRDS OF IT AFTER JU UH, JUNE 30TH INTO JULY AND AUGUST. 
          UM, AS THOSE PROJECTS, UM, FINISH UP, UM, WE USED TO SPLIT IT 50 50, WE FOUND THAT WE WEREN'T REALLY SPENDING THOSE FUNDS BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND IT, ON THE FINANCE SIDE, IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED AND WE NEED MORE REQUESTS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO KINDA MAKE A ONE THIRD, TWO THIRDS WITH THOSE FUNDS. 
          SO THAT'S MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE THERE IS, IS PROJECT RELATED. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCES? UM, I AM PLANNING ON GETTING A FIVE YEAR UPDATED FIVE YEAR, UM, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO AS WE GET INTO, WE ARE GONNA BE DOING OUR BUDGET REQUESTS COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS FOR OPERATIONAL BUDGET. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON OUR CIP BUDGET RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, SO WE'RE KIND OF FINALIZING THAT. 
          UM, THAT'LL REALLY UPDATE THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN, UM, CHANGE IT QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS? OKAY. 
          UH, I WAS ASKED TO DISCUSS, UH, THE RUNWAY LIGHTING FAILURE THAT HAPPENED APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AGO, I THINK IT WAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THE REPAIR FUTURE CONTINGENCIES FOR THIS. 
          UH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE'S A, UH, AIRFIELD LIGHTING IS, UM, CONTROLLED BY A, A REGULATOR. 
          UM, IT'S BASICALLY A GIANT LOUD BOX THAT HUMS   THAT FEEDS, UH, CONDITIONED POWER TO, UH, TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE BURIED IN THE AIRFIELD. 
          AND THEN THOSE TRANSFORMERS GO DIRECTLY INTO THE, UM, RUNWAY LIGHTS YOU SEE. 
          UH, SO IF THAT REGULATOR'S NOT WORKING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, RUNWAY POWER. 
          SO THE REST OF OUR ELECTRICAL WAS WORKING JUST FINE. 
          BUT, UM, THERE WAS A MODULE, I BELIEVE IT WAS A CAPACITOR RESISTOR, UM, MODULE THAT WAS ON THAT UNIT THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED. 
          SO WE PULLED IN OUR, UM, ELECTRICAL AIRFIELD, ELECTRICAL, UH, CONTRACTOR THROUGH, UM, ST. 
          FRANCIS ELECTRIC. 
          THEY DID THE, UM, SIGNS AND LIGHTING UPGRADE BACK IN 2019. 
          UH, IT WAS KIND A MIRACLE. 
          THE ONE OF THEIR STAFF THAT LIVES, UH, LOCALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT WEEK. 
          AND SO HE WAS ABLE TO DEDICATE, UH, SEVERAL HOURS TO TROUBLESHOOT. 
          AND THEN, UM, JUST, UH, A COUPLE HOURS TO DO THE REPAIR. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE PART RUSHED FROM THE EAST COAST. 
          THE MANUFACTURER OF THIS REGULATOR IS STILL IN BUSINESS AND THEY, UM, THEY HAVE GREAT SUPPORT. 
          SO WE'RE ABLE TO RUSH THAT NEXT DAY PART. 
          WE WERE DOWN, I THINK FOR A TOTAL OF 36 HOURS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, 48 HOUR, I THINK IT ACTUALLY, IT WAS PROBABLY CLOSER TO 72 3 DAYS. 
          UM, THANKFULLY IT WAS DURING, UH, INCLEMENT WEATHER. 
          NO ONE WOULD REALLY WANTED TO USE THE AIRPORT. 
          UM, SO IT ACTUALLY WORKED OUT WELL TIMING WISE. 
          IT DIDN'T REALLY INTERRUPT 
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TOO MANY OPERATIONS. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS WHAT HAPPENED WAS PROBABLY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T CARRY PARTS FOR ALL THESE THINGS. 
          I NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO DOWN. 
          THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE KNOW THAT ARE GONNA BE LIKE TIMERS AND THINGS. 
          WE HAVE EXTRAS, WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT, BUT THIS, THIS SORT OF THING, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NEVER SEE THIS COMPONENT GO OUT DURING THE LIFESPAN OF THIS PRODUCT. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REPLACING THAT, UH, REGULATOR. 
          IT IS WORKING. 
          YOU KNOW, ELECTRICIAN SAID IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. 
          IT IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER. 
          I THINK IT'S ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD, POSSIBLY IT WAS NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS REPLACED WITH THE LAST PROJECT. 
          UH, SO IT WAS, UH, EXISTING EQUIPMENT APPEARS TO BE WORKING WELL. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY EXPECTED TO BE AT LEAST A COUPLE DAYS OUT, UM, IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT FASTER, UM, GIVEN THE, THE PARTS TAKE ABOUT A DAY. 
          UM, SO AS FAR AS CONTINGENCIES, IF I KNEW THERE WAS CERTAIN COMPONENTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, A, UH, HIGH WEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, FREQUENT REPLACED PART, WE COULD STOCK THOSE LIKE WE DO FOR THE FUEL SYSTEM. 
          BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, GET, GET THE SYSTEM BACK IN 24 HOURS NECESSARILY. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE, UM, EXPECT, UM, MOVING FORWARD IS WE COULD HAVE OUTAGES FOR UP TO THREE DAYS. 
          UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE LOCALLY. 
          UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DO HAVE GOOD SUPPORT, UH, THROUGH ST. 
          FRANCIS, AND WE COULD PROBABLY EVEN PULL OTHER COMPANIES IF WE NEEDED TO. 
          BUT ST. 
          FRANCIS HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER, UM, AND THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF REPAIRS FOR US OVER THE YEARS, SO THAT, THAT COMPONENT HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY WELL. 
          SO DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPLACE THE REGULATOR? WE DO. 
          I THINK WE GOT A QUOTE FOR IT. 
          UM, THE LAST ONE I SAW, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE EARLY, LIKE LOW TEENS. 
          I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ABOUT 12,012, 15,000, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          15,000. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW ABOUT THE TRANSFORMERS? DO THEY HAVE A, A, UM, A SUGGESTED LIFESPAN OR, UM, DO, ARE THOSE NEW OR OLD OR? WE HAVE A, SO THE, UH, THE ACTUAL TRANSFORMERS ARE, UM, IN CANS, UH, METAL CANS IN THE FIELD. 
          WE DO HAVE EXTRAS OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, THAT IS A RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF WHAT IS, THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED KIND OF MORE ADVANCED REPAIR. 
          WE REPAIR LIGHTS ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          UH, TRANSFORMERS ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THAT LEVEL. 
          WE HAVE, UM, ESSENTIALLY SEMI-SKILLED LABOR. 
          UH, AND SO THERE ARE SOME AIRPORTS THAT USE THEIR STAFF TO DO THOSE WE HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD PROBABLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING A, UM, CERTIFIED ELECTRICIAN COME IN AND DO THAT TRANSFORMER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE ARE DISCHARGE ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TRAINED ON, BUT IT'S JUST A, AN ELECTRICIAN. 
          IT'S NOT A SPECIAL AIRPORT ELECTRICIAN FROM ST. 
          FRANCIS THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE. 
          . 
          WE HAVE HIM ON SPEED DIAL. 
          HE LIVES LOCALLY, , WE KNOW WHERE HE LIVES. 
          SO THAT HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY WELL. 
          I, I THINK ANY GENERAL, UH, ELECTRICIAN COULD, UH, CHANGE THEM OUT. 
          UH, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND AFTER JUST A QUICK REVIEW OF OUR SYSTEM. 
          THEY COULD, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO IT TOO. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, FOR, FOR TRANSFORMERS AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, WE WOULD USUALLY GO OUT TO A CONTRACTOR. 
          AND THEN JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          GOING BACK TO THE REGULATOR MM-HMM . 
          UM, ARE THOSE READILY AVAILABLE IF WE NO, THEY, THAT IS THE DOWNSIDE. 
          SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO IF THE REGULATOR GOES OUT, UM, UNLESS SOMEONE THERE WAS A MIRACLE, SOMEONE HAD ONE SITTING, UM, THAT WAS DESTINED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE KIND OF HANDBUILT. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE TEND TO KINDA LIKE OUR PUMP SITUATION. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT . 
          SO WHAT, WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS AIRPORTS WILL UPGRADE AT A CERTAIN POINT, UHHUH, , AND THEN WE'LL KEEP THE OLD REGULATOR JUST IN CASE. 
          OH. 
          SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OUR, OUR PLAN AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT SOME POINT WE WILL WANNA PROBABLY UPGRADE THAT AND WE'LL KEEP THE OLD ONE, UM, AS A BACKUP. 
          AND THERE'S SOME OTHER REPORTS HAVE DONE THAT WITH SOME SUCCESS. 
          DO YOU KNOW THE LEAD TIME ON, ON? I DON'T. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO, IS THERE A NEW, IF I WAS TO GUESS BETTER VERSION AVAILABLE AT LEAST TWO WEEKS. 
          AT LEAST TWO WEEKS. 
          A TWO WEEKS. 
          WEEKS. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS LEAD TIME AND CLOSE TO, MAYBE CLOSER TO A MONTH. 
          SO, SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING OUTPUT OF THE NOW MAINTENANCE AD HOC COMMITTEE WHERE WE COULD HAVE A SPREADSHEET, IT'S BUDGET FOR RENEWAL SPREADSHEET OF ALL OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS ON THE AIRPORT AND HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED, AND WHAT THEIR EXPECTED LIFESPAN IS, AND HOW MUCH THEY COST, AND WHAT THE LEAD TIME IS. 
          OOH. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT AND GO LIKE, OH YEAH, THAT, THAT ONE'S REALLY HIGH PRIORITY. 
          LET'S GET ONE OF THOSE ON HAND. 
          . 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, THE WAY TO MAKE THIS COMPARATIVE DECISION, RIGHT? AND HOW 
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TO ALLOCATE BUDGET WOULD BE TO, IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO GENERATE THAT SORT OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S NOT JUST LIKE, WHICH ONE DO I FEEL TWITCHY ABOUT TODAY? IT'S, WELL, THAT'S BEEN HERE, THAT'S HANGING ON, BUT IT'S GONNA OF ITS TEETH. 
          'CAUSE IT'S FIVE YEARS PAST EXPECTED LIFE AND IT'S GONNA TAKE US THREE MONTHS TO GET IT, SO LET'S ORDER IT NOW. 
          RIGHT? YEP. 
          LIKE, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. 
          AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, HAVE WE ALREADY UPGRADED ALL THE RUNWAY LETTING LED WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS THE 2019 PROJECT. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY IF THAT WAS PART OF MAYBE A BIGGER PROJECT TO KIND OF DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE YEAH. 
          BUT I'M, I'M SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, GIVEN IT WAS 10, AT LEAST 10 YEARS I THINK AT THE TIME MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT THAT WASN'T, SO THERE'S SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE, UM, POWER BACKUP THAT IS STILL VERY MUCH, UM, WE WERE WRAPPING UP A FEASIBILITY STUDY RIGHT NOW THAT WAS FUNDED OUTSIDE OF, UM, OUR DIVISION. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING SOME NUMBERS TO THAT. 
          UM, WITH THAT, WE, WE COULD TACK ON PROBABLY EASILY TACK ON THAT AS IT WOULD BE KIND OF PART OF THAT SAME, SAME UPGRADE, UM, AT LEAST THE SAME BUILDING THAT WE WOULD BE UPGRADING. 
          SO THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TOO. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THE, THE COST OF EQUIPMENT IS NOT EXTREMELY HIGH, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO DO. 
          WE COULD JUST ADD THAT TO ONE OF OUR BUDGET CYCLES. 
          SO HOW, HOW MUCH OF A, OF HARPER DID I GIVE YOU BY SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THAT LIST? LIKE HOW, HOW FEASIBLE IS THAT, THAT WE COULD SURE. 
          SUPPORT YOU GET THAT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT GET BROUGHT UP OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO KEEP THINGS IN A GOOD WORKING ORDER, BUT NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING WHERE TO PRIORITIZE THAT. 
          WELL, THINGS THAT KEEP THE AIRFIELD OPERATIONAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHAT'S THE MOST CRITICAL PIECES? UM, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE EASY REPAIRS VERSUS WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH US SINKING SOME CAPITAL INTO HAVING ON HAND. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. 
          AND WITH THE BOND, THE FINAL BOND PAYMENTS COMING UP, YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH LOOKING AT PROJECTS NOW? I MEAN, HAVE WE ALREADY ALLOCATED OUR, I MEAN, ARE THE EXTRA FUNDS GOING INTO THE RESERVE FUND FOR NOW? OR IS IT TIME TO START LOOKING AT ? YES AND NO. 
          WE, WE'VE GOT ALL, WE'VE GOT A BIG, WE'VE GOT A BIG PACKAGE OF PROJECTS COMING, SO, UM, IT'S GONNA FUEL THOSE AND, AND, BUT IT EVENTUALLY WILL, THERE WILL BE AN EXCESS OF FUNDS THAT WILL GO TO THE, THE FUND. 
          BUT, UM, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF TO, TO, YEAH. 
          SO HAVING SOME PRIORITIZATION TOOLS TO DEPLOY THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM OR ANYTHING OPERATIONAL? MM-HMM. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE? THANK YOU, DAN. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO YEAH, UPDATES ON, UM, THE PROJECTS. 
          UH, HANGER TWO, LIMA. 
          UM, THE ROOF, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I BELIEVE THE ROOF WAS FINISHED YESTERDAY. 
          UH, SIDING SHOULD BE GOING UP EITHER TOMORROW OR MONDAY. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WRAPPING UP THE LAST FEW ITEMS. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL , UM, THAT I COULD BORE YOU WITH FOR HOURS,  ABOUT EACH COMPONENT. 
          AND SO THERE ARE SOME, THERE IS A BIG PUNCH LIST, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH. 
          UH, WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE DESIGN, UM, CONTRACTOR WHO IS HELPING US MANAGE THIS. 
          THE, UH, TECHNICAL ON THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, UM, THAT DO WORK FOR, UH, THAT, THAT WORK FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, SO WE DO, WE HAVE TO, UH, GO OUT FOR THAT. 
          SO THEY ARE HELPING US, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE ITEMS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE. 
          UM, NOT ONLY JUST TO CODE, BUT ALSO TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR THE REPAIR. 
          SO WRAPPING THAT UP. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE AWESOME. 
          , , UM, UH, HANGER, UH, 18 C UH, THIS WEEK WE'RE TRYING TO GET CONTRACT DOCUMENTS OUT TO THE, UM, AWARDED CONTRACTOR. 
          THE CONTRACTOR WAS AWARDED ON THE 20TH. 
          THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ALL THEIR BONDS AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER. 
          AND SO WE SHOULD BE SERVING THEM WITH A, UM, AN AGREEMENT EITHER TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK THAT THEY CAN SIGN THEM. 
          WE'LL ROUTE IT FOR CITY. 
          SO APPROVAL, WE'LL PROBABLY, PROBABLY LOOK AT ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK, UM, BEFORE, UM, WE GET OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION, UH, MEETING TOGETHER. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE THE, UM, IT, THE, THE DOOR IN ITS CURRENT STATE IS AFFECTING THE CURRENT TENANT. 
          SO THE CURRENT TENANT'S GONNA BE PART OF THAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, SO WE CAN WORK OUT SEQUENCING. 
          UM, THE TENANT NEEDS TO MOVE EQUIPMENT OUT, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TIME IT IN A WAY THAT WHEN THE DOOR COMES DOWN, THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT OUT BEFORE MORE WORK IS DONE TO PUT THE DOOR BACK IN. 
          SO, A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED ON THAT END, BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO MOVE THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND, UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACT IS, IS, UH, VERY CLOSE TO BEING SIGNED AND WE'RE ALMOST READY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          UM, WITH THAT IT LET 
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LESS PROJECTS, BUT, UH, WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE AN ITEM FOR, UH, THE 18 B LICENSE LEASE? UM, I, I IS A IS A PUBLIC ITEM FOR THE NEXT, WELL, WE, SINCE WE DON'T, WE ONLY HAVE ONE INTERESTED PARTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          INTERESTED PARTY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SPEND MORE, I MEAN OKAY. 
          UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS, UNLESS THERE'S ANY, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK WE JUST MOVE THAT FORWARD. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO DELAY UNLESS THERE'S, I GUESS UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS PARTICULAR TENANT TAKING THE HANGAR, UM, WE WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT A, A PUBLIC ITEM, UH, IT'S A, IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHICH TO RECOMMEND, THEN CERTAINLY OKAY. 
          I WOULD. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH JUMP ARROW, SO OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM WITH A, WITH A LAWSUIT. 
          THAT SAID, THOUGH, IT'S NOT, IT SHOULDN'T BE MY DECISION. 
          SO IF ANYBODY, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE IT BE AGENDIZED, BY ALL MEANS WE CAN, I JUST, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE TWO, WE DIDN'T NEED TO, BUT I DON'T WANNA PRECLUDE A DISCUSSION IF THERE, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON 18 C? UM, AND THEN, UH, THE PG E PROJECT, UH, THEY WRAPPED UP, I THINK IT'S NOW A COUPLE WEEKS. 
          THEY WRAPPED UP THE, UM, PIPE REPAIR. 
          THE PIPE WASN'T, UM, THE PIPE WASN'T LEAKING. 
          HOWEVER, UM, WITH AGE, IT, IT HAD SOME, UH, DEGRADED, IT DEGRADED STATE THAT NEEDED A SLEEVE. 
          SO THEY BASICALLY DID A, A SLEEVE ON THAT PIPE. 
          THEY BACKFILLED IT. 
          UM, WE, WE GAVE 'EM THE SPECS, UM, FROM OUR, UM, UH, FROM MEAT HUNT, YOU KNOW, THAT HELPED WITH THAT, WITH THE SPECS FOR THE BACKFILL AND PAVING. 
          UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL THAT'S STILL OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE, UH, CONTRACTOR FOR PG E TO COME BACK AND PICK THAT UP. 
          AND THE SUBCONTRACT CONTRACTOR TOO. 
          UM, ALL THE LOW PROB PILE BARRICADES, THAT WAS ALL SUBCONTRACTED OUT. 
          SO WE'VE REMOVED THE BULK OF THE ITEMS INTO THE YARD, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO COME OUT AND PICK ALL THIS STUFF UP. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU MAY SEE SOME SIGNS OUT THERE THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, AND, AND THE RAMP AREAS, UM, THEY JUST THINK SOME THINGS NEED TO PICK UP GOOD. 
          IF IT BECOMES A, IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT WITHIN PROBABLY A COUPLE WEEKS, WE'LL PROBABLY HAUL IT OFF OURSELVES TO THE YARD. 
          AND YOU'LL JUST BE OUT THERE LIKE TO THE PAPA HANGER UNTIL THEY CAN PICK IT UP. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A SPOILS PILE IN THE, UH, BY PAPA. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO HAZMAT DRUMS OUT THERE, UM, THAT ARE FENCED OFF AND YES. 
          THAT WEREN'T, UH, THAT WEREN'T USED, BUT YEAH. 
          OH, THEY WEREN'T USED. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, YEAH. 
          AND, AND SOME VERY LOVELY LIT  BARRICADES. 
          , THEY FORGOT TO TURN 'EM OFF, I THINK. 
          UH, YEAH, WE, WE'D GLADLY TAKE THEM OFF THEIR HANDS IF THEY DON'T WANT 'EM. 
          SO YEAH, WE'LL SEE, SEE, SEE ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST TO MAKE SURE, YES, THERE'S LOT, THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS. THERE'S THE, UM, UH, THE WADDLES THE, UM, ABSORBENT, UM, MATERIAL OUT THERE TOO. 
          SO YES, IT LOOKS A LITTLE UGLY, BUT WE WILL GET ALL THAT MOVED. 
          IF IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN ON FIVE PREMISES BY X STATE, WE'LL CONSIDER IT A DONATION TO FEDERAL AIRPORT. 
           DRAFT THAT LETTER. 
          , THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE, SO WE GLADLY TAKE THEM. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT, IT'S GOTTEN REALLY WELL. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE CAN BE REALLY CHALLENGING PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE NOT DIRECTING THE WORK. 
          WE'RE JUST DIRECTING THE, SOME OF THE MEANS AND METHODS. 
          UM, IT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK WHAT WORK REALLY WELL IS MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE, THE CONTRACTOR AND THE MANAGEMENT GROUP. 
          UM, AND SO WE LEARNED A LOT. 
          UM, I HOPE THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF THESE. 
          WE'VE, THIS IS THE THIRD ONE WE'VE DONE ON AIRPORT PROPERTY OR NEAR NEARBY AIRPORT PROPERTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THREE, FOUR YEARS. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO REROUTE THAT PIPE AT SOME POINT AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP BRINGING UP. 
          UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SITE THAT COULD JUST BE, WE WOULD JUST CORD 'EM IN, LET 'EM GO AT IT. 
          THEY COULD SPEND MONTHS, YEARS OUT THERE IF THEY WANTED TO OUTSIDE THE MOVEMENT AREA. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT IS THE, I THINK THE EVENTUAL GOAL. 
          BUT, UM, PG E WOULD HAVE TO FUND AND COMPLETE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE A LARGE PROJECT. 
          SO ANYWAY, WE KEEP PUSHING FORWARD, BUT THAT'S UNTIL AT WHICH TIME THEY DO THAT, WE WILL, WE WILL KEEP REVISITING THIS ON AIRPORT PROPERTY. 
          UM, UH, YEAH. 
          UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, THE UPDATE, UM, CUSTOMER MEMBER TO CARLY ON THE, UH, TAXI ALPHA AND BRAVO. 
          WE DID, UH, AWARD THOSE CONTRACTS TO THE TWO CONTRACTORS, UM, UH, GRANITE AND, UM, GEL. 
          UM, SO WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THOSE, WE ARE JUST FINALIZING OUR, 
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UM, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION, UH, AGREEMENT WITH MEAD HUNT TO HAVE THEM MANAGE THOSE, UH, FOR US. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S MOVING FORWARD AS FAR AS DATES. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING WITH THEM YET, OR EVEN JUST KIND OF PRE-PLANNING FOR SCHEDULE. 
          AT SOME POINT WE'LL DO THAT. 
          WE'LL GET A BETTER SCHEDULE TO KIND OF LET ALL THE TENANTS KNOW WHERE THE, WHAT IS COMING. 
          IT IS GONNA BE IMPACTFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR TEXTLINE BRAVO. 
          IT IS GONNA CUT OFF A LOT OF, UM, HANGAR ROWS. 
          SO, UM, AND IT IS NOT A QUICK PROJECT. 
          TEXTLINE BRAVO REQUIRES FULL REMOVAL OF PAVEMENT AND SOIL TREATMENT. 
          THE SOIL TREATMENT TAKES ABOUT FIVE DAYS. 
          IT DEPENDS ON CONDITIONS, BUT THE, JUST THE TREATMENT, UM, CAN TAKE SOMEWHERE IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO SET BEFORE IT CAN BE REPAVED. 
          SO IT IS GONNA BE VERY IMPACTFUL. 
          UM, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SPACE IT OUT ROW BY ROW TO SHARE THE PAIN, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE, UM, PHASED IN EITHER, UH, ONE OR TWO SECTIONS JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UM, ECONOMY OF SCALE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TREATING SOIL. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH EVERYBODY. 
          WE'LL GET ALTERNATIVE, UH, TIE DOWN. 
          I DON'T HAVE EXTRA HANGERS FOR EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 
          BUT, UM, I'M HOPING THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT, THE, THE WEATHER WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH THAT WE CAN FIND ACCOMMODATIONS TEMPORARILY. 
          NO ONE WILL BE LOCKED OUT OF THEIR, THEIR AIRCRAFT. 
          THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE RUNWAY, TO THE PART OF THE MOVEMENT AREA. 
          AND SO THAT'LL BE A, THAT'LL BE A BIG PROJECT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT. 
          UM, AND OUR INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE THOSE KICKOFF AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE AIRFIELD ACTIVE, UH, AND AVAILABLE AS POSSIBLE DURING THAT. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT. 
          AND DAN, CAN YOU BALLPARK THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A TENANT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO A TIE DOWN OR A ANOTHER HANGER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, IS IT, I KNOW THIS IS BALLPARK. 
          MY, MY GUESS WOULD BE UP TO FOUR WEEKS. 
          UP TO FOUR WEEKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY, MY GUESS COULD BE LONGER. 
          WE, WE COULD, AS WE GET CLOSER AND THE, UM, THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDES THEIR GANTT CHART OF THE, THE PHASES, SURE. 
          WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY NARROW THAT DOWN A LITTLE BETTER. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS TO EXPECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL. 
          AND THAT'S A REALLY EARLY, YOU HAVEN'T, LIKE, AS YOU SAY, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN DONE THE GANTT CHART. 
          THAT'S JUST, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A REALLY EARLY, THAT WOULD JUST BE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. 
          SO I WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, COULD BE MORE, WANNA GET AN IDEA. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, THOSE, YES, THOSE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS, UM, SOME PRE-PLANNING AS WE GET INTO, UM, LATE SPRING, UH, SUMMER TO, TO KICK THOSE OFF. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          ANY OTHER UPDATES? UM, ONE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION? UH, SO WE HAD OUR ASIP MEETING WITH THE FAA, THAT'S OUR ANNUAL, UM, MEETING TO, TO ASK FOR MONEY AND, UM, TO TELL 'EM WHAT WERE OUR GOALS ARE AND PLANNING. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          UM, RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UM, ARE, ARE NOT TYPICALLY A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE FAA. 
          THEY REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON RUNWAYS FIRST AND THEN THE MOVEMENT AIR TAXIWAY AND THEN GO IN, THEN RAMP FROM THERE. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE LOOKING FOR US TO, TO DO MORE ON, ON OUR, ON OUR DIME. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAD, UH, TWO PROJECTS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THIS ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND FISCAL YEAR 29 30, UM, UH, FOR ONE. 
          AND THERE WAS LIKE A 31 32 FOR A SOUTH RAMP. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF A NORTH RAMP, SOUTH RAMP THAT WE'VE HAD ON OUR, UH, ASIP SCHEDULE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UM, AND THE FAS COMMENT WAS, WHY DON'T YOU BREAK THOSE UP INTO SMALLER PIECES? 'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM WERE A LITTLE BIT, SO ONE OF THE NORTH CON UH, WAS ROSE 10 ALL THE WAY TO THE END FOR, UH, 13 AT THE, UH, NORTHWEST END OF THE AIRPORT. 
          AND IT ALSO INCLUDED ROSE 14 THROUGH 18. 
          SO A LOT OF RAMP, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY LIKED THE SIZE OF IT, IT WAS JUST TOO BIG. 
          SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE TALKED WITH OUR SEAL TEAM, UM, UH, CITY, UH, STREET SEAL TEAM. 
          AND, UH, OUR CURRENT PLAN IS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          FISCAL YEAR, UM, UH, 27 STARTING, UM, JUNE OR STARTING JULY 1ST, UH, 2026 COME RIGHT COMING UP. 
          WE WILL SEAL ROSE 14TH THROUGH 18. 
          UM, IT IS GONNA BE A SEPARATE PROJECT, UM, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BID FOR, UM, THE CITY SEAL PROGRAM THAT THEY DO THE CITYWIDE. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA HELP US, UM, ECONOMY OF SCALE AND JUST A COORDINATION AND 
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ALL THAT. 
          IT, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A LOT EASIER. 
          UM, WE CAN, WE CAN USE A SEAL THAT IS GOING TO, TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR STANDARDS FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN WE'LL ADD SOME MARKING ON THAT AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE, WE JUST DO A, IT WOULD BE A, A FAIRLY THIN SEAL. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A, A SUPER THICK ONE SINCE THE PAVEMENT IS STRUCTURALLY IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION, BUT THE SURFACE DEFINITELY NEEDS IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR CONCERN WAS IF WE WAITED FOR FA FUNDS, WE WOULD LOSE THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PAVEMENT AND WOULD COST US MUCH, MUCH MORE TO, TO REPLACE, RIGHT. 
          SO THEN BECOME A, UH, A REHAB OR GOD FORBID, A RECONSTRUCTION AT SOME POINT. 
          SO WE DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          SO THIS IS OUR, OUR SORT OF BEST EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE THIS PAVEMENT, WHICH IS A DEGRADING AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN PAVEMENTS THAT ARE, UM, AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OR MORE OLDER. 
          SO THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          UM, WITH THAT WE ARE RE KIND OF RETHINKING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION, IT'S ALREADY BEEN THREE YEARS NOW, SO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO A, AN INITIAL RESEAL ON THAT TOO. 
          UM, SO WE'LL I THINK WE'RE MOVING MORE TOWARDS KIND OF A SEAL MAINTENANCE CYCLE THAT WE CAN AFFORD. 
          UM, AND THEN PRIORITIZING AREAS THAT NEED THAT ARE MORE COMPLICATED AND NEED MORE FUNDING TO POSSIBLY FA SOURCES. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE BROKEN THAT NORTH ONE APART. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO HALF OF, ESSENTIALLY HALF OF IT THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          THAT'S OUR PLAN. 
          LEAVE THE OTHER HALF SINCE ROSE 10 THROUGH 13 IS NOT FANTASTIC, BUT IT'S DOING OKAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A, A SECTION THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE REPAVED COMPLETELY. 
          UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE SOUTH, UM, HOLDS UP WELL AND WE CAN GET MAYBE FUNDS FOR THAT IN THE, THE SORT OF THE MID, UM, THE EARLY 2030S. 
          THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR, OUR GOAL. 
          UH, DO WE KNOW WHEN ROSE, WAS IT ONE THROUGH, DOWN IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE THROUGH 10 WHEN THOSE WERE LAST SEALED? OR HAD ANY ATTENTION TO THEM? ONE THROUGH FOUR WAS DONE WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SIX OR SEVEN MAYBE. 
          YEAH, EIGHT. 
          IT, IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG, BUT THAT, IT STOPPED, I THINK IT STOPPED AT FOUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAS A THICKER SLURRY. 
          UM, BECAUSE BECAUSE THOSE AROSE TEND TO HAVE LARGER CRACKS AND LARGER NEEDS, IT WOULD PROBABLY A LAR IT WOULD BE A THICKER SLURRY, UM, THROUGH AN FA PROJECT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THIS WOULD BE, UM, I BELIEVE THE FIRST PHASE, UM, THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE ROSE. 
          UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING THEM NAMES NOW , UH, JUST SO WE CAN TELL WHAT THE FA COULD TELL THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT BASICALLY FROM THE, THE PRIVATE HANGAR ROWS DOWN TO THE END, TO THE POP HANGER WOULD BE PROBABLY THAT, THAT NEXT PHASE AFTER THE NORTH. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT ALL THAT INTO, UM, I CAN EVEN SHARE THE ASIP. 
          UM, WE JUST SUBMITTED IT, UH, AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES. 
          BUT I CAN SUBMIT THAT OR TO THE COMMISSIONS TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, ALONG WITH OUR FIVE YEAR TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT MONEY'S GOING. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A $300,000 PROJECT. 
          WE ARE GETTING, FINALLY GETTING TRACTION ON THE SAFETY AREA PROJECT. 
          AS OF THIS WEEK, I WAS TOLD THERE IS AN, UH, WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER ASSIGNED TO IT. 
          SO THAT IS THE, THE AREA THAT HAS A POOR DRAINAGE BETWEEN THE WIND SOCK AND, UM, OUR CULVERTS THAT RUN OUTTA THE AIRPORT. 
          SO WE ARE, WE ARE MOVING TO GET THAT ADDRESSED. 
          UM, THE NUMBERS MAY LOOK PRETTY BIG ON IT. 
          I I THINK THE LAST ONE I SAW WERE LIKE THE MID THREES, THREE HUNDREDS. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT LESS, BUT THAT'S JUST, THEY JUST WANTED TO BUILD IN AS, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENCIES. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL BE SHARING ALL THAT WITH YOU. 
          BUT THAT IS, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO FIRST STEP DESIGN, UM, THERE'S ALREADY A CONTRACTOR THAT WORKED ON THE, UM, HABITAT RESTORATION NEXT TO THE BALL FIELDS, PROBABLY USING THE SAME, UH, DESIGN CONTRACTOR FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO GET THAT OFF OUR, OUR PROJECT LIST. 
          SO THAT'S, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE ANY STAINING WATER THERE. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT AREA TO FILL UP DURING THE STORM, BUT ONCE THAT STORM'S GONE, IT SHOULD FLOW NATURALLY BACK INTO OUR CULVERT SYSTEM AND BE, AND GO DOWN DOWNSTREAM. 
          WE DON'T WANT AN, UH, EXTRA WILDLIFE ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE ONES, UM, SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS AS WELL. 
          UM, FUEL FARM, UM, SO WE TALKED WITH THE, UM, THE C-I-T-C-I-P TEAM, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TEAM. 
          AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK WELL AS A, IT'S REALLY A KIND OF A MAINTENANCE 
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PROJECT. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA TALK TO FINANCE, WE'RE GONNA WORK THINGS, PUT THINGS TOGETHER, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT IS A POSSIBLY JUST A OPERATIONS BUDGET PROJECT WHERE WE WILL BRING THOSE FUNDS INTO THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE THIS PROJECT KIND OF FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE CIP YET, IT'S MORE THAN JUST A, HEY, CALL UP A CONTRACTOR TO HELP US OUT WITH SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE'LL SPEND THIS YEAR, THE REST OF THIS YEAR, UM, WE FOUND A CONTRACT THAT'S INTERESTED IN SCOPING IT. 
          SO WE'LL GET THAT SCOPING, WHICH WILL GIVE US THE, A GOOD PRICING ESTIMATE. 
          AND THEN, UM, THEY'LL HELP US GET A PACKAGE TOGETHER, BID PACKAGE TO GO OUT TO BID. 
          UM, THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DO. 
          IT, IT, IT RUNS INTO THE SAME ISSUES AS HANGAR DOORS, HANGAR REPAIR IT, IT JUST FALLS IN THIS CATEGORY OF, WE DON'T, THE CITY DOESN'T DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE HERE, SO WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN JUST TRYING TO GET THOSE PRECIOUS CAP RE RESOURCES THAT WE NEED FOR RUNWAY SEAL AND ALL THE TAX AWAY PROJECTS AND ALL THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY ARE TOUGH. 
          UM, SO WE'RE THERE, THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE WORKS TO HELP WITH THIS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK THAT IT MAY WORK BETTER TO PUT THIS INTO THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. 
          UM, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR SIMILAR TO LIKE THE GATE WE'RE REPLACING, WE HAVE A, UM, WE'RE REPLACING THE GATE ON ROAD 18. 
          IT'S GONE IN AS, YOU KNOW, A AS A PURCHASE REQUEST AND, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          IT HAS TO GO OUT TO BID. 
          WE DO NEED TO GET A BID PACKAGE TOGETHER, AND THAT IS THE HARDEST PART, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DO NOW. 
          BUT IT IS, IT IS TIME CONSUMING AND IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF OUR CORE, UH, COMPETENCY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, EVENTUALLY WILL, HOPEFULLY WILL BECOME PART OF MAYBE ANOTHER DIVISION AND, AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS THROUGH LIKE  FACILITIES, UM, PROJECTS. 
          SO ANYWAY, MORE TO COME ON THAT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY ALL HAVE TO DO WITH SOME SUPPORT, SOME ENGINEERING SUPPORT, BUT MOSTLY, MOSTLY US. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY UPDATE ON THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE, I THINK MARCUS HAD MENTIONED, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE TANK INSPECTION, TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF CHANGE INSPECTION IS DUE BY 2027. 
          SO WE'RE STILL, I THINK TARGET IS GOOD AS FAR AS OUR, UM, DESIGN SCHEDULE, CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE MAYBE NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF BRIDGED BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 27, 28 FOR THAT PROJECT, NOT KNOWING HOW IT'S ALL GONNA WORK OUT. 
          SO AS OF TODAY, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE STAGING THOSE FUNDS IN THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 250,000 OR SO, UP TO 300,000 DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BIDS COME IN. 
          UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          THIS IS KIND OF ONCE IN A, A DECADE KIND OF WORK. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          MORE TO COME ON THAT. 
          BUT WE, WE DO HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, HAS THE UPDATES HAVE NOT BEEN VERY HOPEFUL ON SOME OF THESE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD MOMENTUM NOW AND UM, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR PATIENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO I, I KNOW THAT ONE'S GONNA BE TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA AFFECT FUEL AVAILABILITY YES. 
          FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD A STRATEGY FOR MITIGATING THAT. 
          NOT ONE THAT DOESN'T COST THE AIRPORT A LOT OF MONEY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUEL DISTRIBUTORS WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN BRING IN A TRUCK, BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO LOGISTICS AND WHO OWNS THAT TRUCK AND WHO'S LEASING IT AND WHAT AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THAT, IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK THE BEST, THE BEST PLAN WOULD JUST TO BE, HAVE A LOT OF NOTICE, UM, LIST OUT EVERY FUEL, UM, FUELING, UM, ISLAND THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE BAY AREA, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUEL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVEN THE, EVEN THE FLIGHT SCHOOL CAN MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS. 
          SO I'M, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT BEING MORE THAN PROBABLY ABOUT A WEEK. 
          OH, A WEEK, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          A WEEK, MAYBE TWO AT THE MOST. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE TO THE LENGTH THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FUEL AITS FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS BE MORE LIKE A MONTH. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE, BUT EVEN A WEEK IS A LOT ON THE, UH, FLIGHT SCHOOL. 
          IT IS A LOT. 
          UM, SO MORE AS WE GET TO THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL A GOOD YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO KEEP YOUR EARS OPEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY OF A TRUCK AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN THEY DID THE FIREFIGHTING OR, OR I THINK IT WAS THE PG E HELICOPTERS OR SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT THEIR TRUCK IN AND THEY FUELED FROM THEIR OWN TRUCK AND, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A COMPANY OWNED SOMETHING. 
          BUT IF THIS CONTINUES TO BE A PRIORITY, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IS GONNA COST TO, TO PUT IN A RELOAD. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT IS THE THING THAT'S MISSING AS FAR AS 
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GETTING A TRUCK. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, TO START TO EXPLORE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE TRUCK ITSELF, THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR IT, WHICH IS WHICH UNTIL THERE WAS DEMAND. 
          THAT'S THE PART THAT GIVES US PAUSE FROM A COST BENEFIT STANDPOINT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, IF IT'S A RESILIENCY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE RESILIENCY PLAN. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT IF THERE WAS A MORE DEMAND FOR IT THAT WOULD HELP JUSTIFY IT, CAN WE, UM, CAN WE GET AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD NEED TO BE ON? WE CAN, THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT IT, I THINK IT WAS IN THE HALF A MILLION. 
          I'M GUESSING IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO THREE QUARTER NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, SURE. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE JUST THE SPACE REQUIRED FOR THAT. 
          LASTLY, BEING GAME PERMITS COULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO, TO PARK TO FUEL TRUCKS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, WE, WE'D ALSO HAVE TO EXPAND THE, UM, THE, UH, FUEL, UH, SPILL RETENTION SYSTEM. 
          SO WE HAVE A ROBUST RETENTION SYSTEM, I WANNA SAY IT CAN ABSORB UP TO 5,000 GALLONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FIVE TO 6,000 GALLONS, UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED AND EXPANDED. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME COMPLICATIONS THERE TOO. 
          SO WE'D NEED, UH, TO RE TO ADD AN UPLOAD VALVE IN ORDER TO GET, IN ORDER TO OPERATE A TRUCK. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH DEMAND. 
          I THINK IT, IT'S MOSTLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE, THERE, THERE IS THE A BASICALLY A RACK THEY PUT IN WITH HAS ALL THE THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS ARE GONNA BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I I, I WANNA KEEP OUR EYES ON THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THAT SANTA ROSA, YOU KNOW, OFF AND ON, THEY TALK ABOUT DISCONTINUING MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, THE HUNDRED LOW LEAD SERVICE AND YOU KNOW, THE FBOS THERE. 
          AND IF THAT'S, THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCREASE THE DEMAND. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, BUT YOU CAN GO DOWN PETALUMA AND GET IT OFF A TRUCK. 
          YOU KNOW, SO JUST, JUST SAYING THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO, I, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE YOUR HUMOR IN ME ON THIS, BUT KNOW I JUST, IF WE DID HAVE IT, WOULD THERE ANYTHING, WOULD ANYTHING PRECLUDE, UH, THE TRUCK FROM BEING ABLE TO FUEL AIRCRAFT AT THE HANGERS? UH, NOT AT THE HANGERS, BUT IN THE HANGERS, NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE, YEAH, IF YOU PULL YOUR AIRCRAFT OUT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A FULL SERVICE OPTION. 
          YES. 
          WE'VE HAD, UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN MAYBE FIVE TENANTS OVER FIVE YEARS THAT HAVE MENTIONED WANTING THAT SERVICE. 
          UM, ONE OF 'EM UPGRADED A JET, SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT TENDS TO BE PEOPLE THAT, UM, ARE IN A HURRY, DON'T MIND THE EXTRA COST OR HAVE A REALLY LARGE RECIPROCATING AIRCRAFT. 
          THAT TENDS TO BE THE, THE KIND OF TWO CATEGORIES MM-HMM . 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF IT WAS AVAILABLE, IF WE GET MORE REQUESTS, BUT, UM, IT'S ONLY BEEN REQUESTED OF A VERY FEW NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS, SO, UM, YEAH. 
          DEMAND IS LOW. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DIDN'T RATE THAT HIGH ON THE SURVEY EITHER. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WASN'T A, WASN'T ONE OF THE HIGH, I DIDN'T, IT WAS A BIG, YEAH, IT WASN'T A HIGH PRIORITY ON THE SURVEY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE, UM, THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAD ON, UM, PROJECT WORK. 
          IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS OR STATUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANKS DAN. 
          UM, WE'RE ALMOST AT OUR ADJOURNMENT. 
          I DID WANNA JUST FLAG ONE THING BRIEFLY BEFORE WE ADJOURN, JUST TO HELP FOLKS WITH SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND PLANNING. 
          UH, NEXT MONTH, THE FIRST THURSDAY IS DECEMBER 4TH. 
          THAT'S FAIRLY INNOCUOUS. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          JANUARY, NEW YEAR'S DAY IS OUR NORMALLY SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          OH NO. 
          SO I AM, UH, FAIRLY CONFIDENT IN ASSUMING THAT NONE OF YOU WANNA BE DOING THIS ON NEW YEAR'S DAY. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAYBE FORMALLY CANCEL THAT MEETING SO WE CAN NOT HAVE ANY CONFUSION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE CONVENING ON THE FIRST WORKS FOR ME. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH DECEMBER? IS ANY ANY MEMBERS NOT? I WAS, IT IS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I WAS ASSUMING IT WAS EARLY ENOUGH IN THE MONTH WE WOULD BE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE TOMORROW, THERE'S, THERE'S LOT OF THINGS STARTING TO FILL UP FOR ME THE FOURTH, UH, FRIDAY, FOURTH FRIDAY, THURSDAY. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M OKAY RIGHT NOW. 
          COOL. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S, LET'S CARRY ON 
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WITH THE FOURTH. 
          UM, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET QUORUM ON THE FOURTH. 
          IS, IS THE FOURTH OR FRIDAY? UH, NOT ACCORDING GOOGLE, THURSDAY. 
          GOOGLE. 
          OH, WELL GOOGLE , WHICH I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T PROVE THEM WRONG RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PARTY ON THE FIFTH. 
          I'M SORRY, THE PARTY BELIEVE THE PARTY THE FIFTH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ALL. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL CARRY ON FOR THE 4TH OF DECEMBER, BUT WE WILL OFFICIALLY CANCEL THE 1ST OF JANUARY. 
          AND, UM, PLAN TO RECONVENE AFTER THAT ON THE 5TH OF FEBRUARY. 
          ANY ITEMS, UH, FOR THE NEXT AGENDA YET? OR I NOT, WE'LL DO OUR USUAL EMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          COLLABORATION, UM, THOUGH THAT MIGHT LAND DURING THANKSGIVING WEEK. 
          I WANNA DOUBLE CHECK THAT CLOSE TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE AS ALWAYS, SEND ME AND DAN AND CLAUDIA ADD AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL TRY TO SEND A REMINDER OUT, UH, WITH OUR CALENDAR TO CLEAR, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME IN, IN TIME. 
          UM, OTHERWISE I THINK WE'VE DONE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEVEN 40. 
          THANK YOU ALL.
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