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GOOD EVENING,
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MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025.WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE ABRAMS? HERE, ALDEN? HERE.
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THE MOMENT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THIS COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION.HOWEVER, NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE IN THE AUDIENCE EXCEPT ONE
WE ARE JUST OPENING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? NO, I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.
DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, EMAILED? WE DID NOT.
ALRIGHT THEN I'M CLOSING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT COMMENTS AND CONTINUING WITH OUR AGENDA.
[PRESENTATIONS]
REPORT THIS EVENING IS A REPORT OF THE TRANSIT OPERATING PLAN.I'M GONNA PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND AS A REMINDER, THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT OUR LAST TAC MEETING, WHICH WAS WHERE WE STARTED GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FINANCIAL, UH, SITUATION FOR TRANSIT.
AND SO TONIGHT'S GONNA GO A BIT MORE IN DEPTH IN THAT DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE A, UH, MORE DETAILED UPDATE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, TODAY I'M GONNA DISCUSS THE TRANSIT FINANCIAL PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE OPERATING FINANCIAL PLAN.
UM, WILL IT LET ME CHANGE? OKAY, THERE WE GO.
UM, SO FIRST I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE EXPENSES.
I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT FUNDING SOURCES, THE EXPENSES BY MODE.
SOME OF THIS WILL BE A REVIEW FROM THE LAST TIME I SPOKE HERE, UM, BUT WITH MORE DETAILS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE'VE BEGUN IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT OUR OUTLOOK IS AS WELL.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE IMPACT ON OUR TDA BUDGET SINCE THAT IS OUR MAIN, UH, FUNDING SOURCE.
AND THEN WHAT POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS WE MIGHT HAVE.
SO AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES.
THESE ARE OUR PROJECTIONS, UM, FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR, SO F FY 24 25.
UM, AND THEN THE PROJECTIONS OUT.
UM, SO THE LAST FISCAL YEAR IS THE ACTUALS OF HOW MUCH WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY LAST YEAR THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH VARIOUS COUNTY FUNDS, THROUGH VARIOUS STATE FUNDS, AND THEN FEDERAL FUNDS.
SO I KIND OF CONDENSED IT, UM, INTO CATEGORIES AND THAT KINDA GIVES AN OVERVIEW.
AND THEN BASED UPON THAT MTC, SO THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT WE, UM, FOR PLANNING OUTWARD, WE INCREASE EITHER BY 3% OR 1% OR 5% DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING SOURCE.
SO SOME OF THE FTA ONES, THEY RECOMMEND PLANNING AN INCREASE OF 3% EVERY YEAR.
THIS DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT IS BASED OFF OF SALES TAX, REVENUE SOURCES, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE ECONOMY IS PERFORMING.
BUT THAT IS THEIR GENERAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S HOW THIS PLAN IS LAID OUT.
UM, AND SOME OF THE IMPORTANT NOTES, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME IS JUST A GENERAL DECREASE IN STATE FUNDS, SPECIFICALLY FUNDS TIED TO DIESEL AND GASOLINE BECAUSE CALIFORNIA HAS DONE A GOOD JOB AT SHIFTING TOWARDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
UM, BUT THE CONSEQUENCE FOR US IN TRANSIT IS THE TAX THAT WAS, UM, APPORTIONED TO US BASED UPON THAT, UM, IS ALSO DECREASING.
SO, UM, THE STATE IS CURRENTLY, UH, DECIDING WHAT ITS NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE, BUT THAT MIGHT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THAT.
UM, WE MENTIONED LAST TIME THERE IS A COUNTY GRANT INCREASE BECAUSE WE SWITCHED FROM MEASURE M, THE PREVIOUS SALES TAX TO GO SONOMA.
UM, SO A MEASURE TO ALLOCATE 13% GO SONOMA NOW ALLOCATES 18%.
THAT TOOK EFFECT IN APRIL, 2025.
UM, SO WE SEE LIKE A 70% INCREASE, EXCUSE ME, 78% INCREASE IN 2025 OR 20 26, 80 5% TOTAL COUNTY FUNDS INCREASE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL CONTINUE GOING FORWARD.
IT'S JUST THE ONE TIME INCREASE AS THE TWO, UH, FUNDING SOURCES SHIFT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S LIKE THE THREE TO 5% THAT THEY ESTIMATE, BUT REALLY JUST TIED
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TO, UM, SALES TAX.UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO BEEN RECENT RESCISSIONS.
SO IN OCTOBER, 2025, OH, THAT SHOULD BE 25, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN FISCAL YEAR 26, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
UM, SDA JUST ISSUED A RESCISSION.
SO A RESCISSION IS ESSENTIALLY THAT, UM, MTC IS MAKING AN ESTIMATE BASED UPON THE TAXES, THE REVENUES THAT THEY'RE SEEING COMING IN.
AND THEN THEY'RE APPORTIONING THAT OUT.
BUT THEN, UM, WHEN THE ACTUALS COME IN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A DIP IN THE ECONOMY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO ISSUE RESCISSIONS IF THERE'S A, A CHANGE IN THE ESTIMATE.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE ISSUE RESCISSIONS ISSUED IN THE LAST LIKE TWO, THREE YEARS.
UM, BUT WE SAW, WE'VE SEEN TWO IN 2025 SO FAR IN THE MOST RECENT ONE IN OCTOBER.
I SHOWED THIS TO YOU LAST TIME, BUT I BROUGHT IT BACK UP JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL EBBS AND FLOWS OF OUR FUNDING SOURCES.
THESE ARE OUR MAIN FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THESE ARE NOT GRANTS, THESE ARE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE GET REGULARLY.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALLOCATION PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS.
UM, BUT THEY ARE APP PORTIONED TO US.
AND SO, UM, STA IS THE ONE THAT JUST KEEPS DECLINING THE MOST RIGHT NOW.
UM, FTA UM, IS GENERALLY A LITTLE BIT STEADIER, BUT WE JUST, EVERYTHING IS JUST KINDA LIKE TRYING TO LIKE HIT A MOVING TARGET OF WHAT SOMETHING WILL LOOK LIKE SINCE IT'S ALL TIED TO SALES AND REVENUE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IN THE NEXT, PREVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T GONNA SHOW OUTWARD 'CAUSE I KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT OUTWARD AND, UM, WE'RE ESTIMATING A 3% IN SOME OR A 5% IN SOME INCREASE.
BUT REALLY IT MAY JUST BE PRETTY STAGNANT POTENTIALLY.
UM, FRANK, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF REQUESTING IS THE, UM, EXPENSES BY MODE AND THEN PROJECTED OUT.
SO IF YOU SEE IN THE TOP, UM, TABLE, IT'S GONNA SHOW THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND HOW THE TRANSIT, UM, EXPENSES FELL BY MODE.
AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UM, I ALSO ADDED IN THE PERCENT CHANGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH THERE HAS BEEN AN EITHER AN INCREASE OR A DECREASE IN EXPENSES AS IT RELATES TO FIXED ROUTE OR, UM, PARATRANSIT.
UM, YOU'LL SEE A LINE THAT SAYS FIXED ROUTE INCREASE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THIS YEAR'S SERVICE INCREASE ON ROUTES TWO AND 11.
I WANTED TO LIKE SPELL IT OUT OF HOW MUCH THAT MIGHT COST.
UM, AND THEN PARATRANSIT, AND THEN YOU SEE THE ADDITION OF LUMA GO IN 2025.
UM, AND THEN CURRENT PREDICTIONS, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF ESTIMATED AT A 5% INCREASE.
THIS IS GENERALLY HOW THE PLAN HAS BEEN CALCULATED IN THE PAST JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, COST OF LIVING INCREASES.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT TARIFFS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THE WAY THE PLAN CALCULATES IT IS IT TAKES THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR'S EXPENSES AND THEN, UM, MULTIPLIES IT BY 5%.
AND SO LAST FISCAL YEAR WE DID SEE QUITE A FEW, UM, EXPENSES RELATING TO REPAIRS, TIRES, YOU KNOW, JUST AN AGING FLEET.
UM, SO THE FY 26 PLAN DOES TAKE THAT BY 5%.
I CHOSE TO LEAVE THAT IN THERE JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TARIFFS AND STUFF.
SO EVEN IF OUR FLEET AS WE INTRODUCED OUR NEW BUSES THIS YEAR MIGHT NOT BE SO AGING, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, TO EXPECT ON PRICE, UH, PARTS AND EVERYTHING.
SO JUST TO BE PRUDENT, IT'S CONTINUES TO ESTIMATE AT THE 5% OF THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO IMPORTANT NOTES, AS I JUST MENTIONED, 5% INCREASE.
UM, AND FY 23 YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN A, AN INCREASE IN, UH, COSTS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF A DRIVER WAGE INCREASE TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND ATTRACT MORE DRIVERS.
AT THAT TIME, THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH DRIVERS AND SO THERE WAS A, A WAGE ADJUSTMENT IN ORDER TO ATTRACT MORE DRIVERS.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE AN INCREASE IN THERE WHEN REFERRING TO THE PLAN FY 25, OBVIOUSLY AN INCREASE DUE TO THE LUMA GO MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE.
AND THEN FOR FY 26, THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, UM, WE NOTICED WE, WE HAVE THE SERVICE INCREASE ON ROUTES TWO AND 11.
UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE NEW OPERATIONS CONTRACT.
AND SO THAT, UH, INCLUDED A BIT OF AN INCREASE IN OUR REGULAR OPERATIONS CONTRACT, UM, WHICH THEN GOING FORWARD WOULD BE A 5% INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
SO A ONE TIME LARGER INCREASE, BUT THEN AFTER THAT 5% GOING FORWARD.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, UM, MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE'RE NOTICING IN THE BUDGET, UM, FROM THE PAST AND THIS CURRENT YEAR.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS, WE NOTICED WITH THE COST, YOU KNOW, INCREASE GOING UP, HERE'S SOME WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO REDUCE COSTS.
SO, UH, NUMBER ONE IS DELAYING CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE'VE HAD SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS RELATING TO EITHER THE ROOF, UH, OVERLAY ON THE BUILDING OR SOME, UM, FAC, UH, TRANSIT FACILITY, UM, RENOVATION PROJECTS OR JUST A GATE, YOU KNOW, RENOVATION PROJECT.
UM, WE HAVE TDA FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED TO US.
UM, SO THEY'RE, WE HAVE TO REQUEST
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THEM, BUT WE HAVEN'T REQUESTED THEM TO USE 'EM, BUT THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM THE POT.SO IF YOU'RE THINKING OF THE TDA POT THAT WE HAVE, WHEN WE DO ANY TYPE OF CAPITAL FUNDS, THEY PUT IT ASIDE AND THEN WHEN WE WANT TO USE 'EM, WE JUST SUBMIT THE, THE INVOICE REQUEST PROCESS.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IS, UM, DELAY THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND ALLOW THOSE FUNDS TO GO BACK INTO THE POT TO ALLOW US TIME TO FIND MORE.
DID I GET DISCONNECTED? SORRY, MY COMPUTER DID SOMETHING FUNNY.
UM, SO IT ALLOWS US AND IT DISCONNECTED YOU.
AND I KNOW, UH, LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP ON MY END.
ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL IT UP JUST SO THAT WAY I CAN NOT MAKE IT DISCONNECT AGAIN? YEAH, ZOOM JUST LOGGED ME OUT.
GIMME A SECOND WHILE JARED ZOOM, THAT'LL EXPLAIN THE CAPITAL PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT 700,000 THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING BEING ABLE TO DELAY IN THESE PROJECTS.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PUT THAT BACK TOWARDS OUR OPERATING FUNDS.
'CAUSE TDA LETS US CHOOSE WHETHER WE WANT TO USE IT TOWARDS OPERATING OR CAPITAL.
AND SO THIS WOULD HELP, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT OPERATING FUND PRESSURE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 700,000 RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE SECOND LINE, SECOND LINE ITEM ONCE JARED PULLS IT UP IS REDUCING FINANCIAL CONSULTANT WORK.
UH, PRIOR TO ME BEGINNING IN JANUARY, WE HAD FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.
WE STILL DO, THEY DID THE MAJORITY OF WHAT I AM CURRENTLY DOING NOW, AND NOW THEY'RE MORE OF AN ADVISORY.
UM, SO REDUCING THAT IS A COST SAVINGS MEASURE.
WE'RE ESTIMATING 300 OR 30, NOT 330,000 FOR THIS YEAR, BUT 50,000 NEXT YEAR.
UM, AS, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO FULLY TRANSITION TO HAVING FULL STAFF.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE ON THERE WAS CHARGING STAFF TIME TO GRANT FUNDED PROJECTS.
SO WE HAVE VARIOUS GRANTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE CAPITAL GRANTS.
UM, SO THE TRANSIT FACILITY ELECTRIFICATION, UM, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO CHARGE SOME OF OUR STAFF TIME, UM, SPENT WORKING ON THOSE GRANTS.
SO THAT ALLEVIATES BECAUSE OUR STAFF TIME'S PAID OUT ENTIRELY OUT OF OPERATING.
AND SO WHEREVER WE CAN, ESPECIALLY WITH GRANTS THAT ALLOW US TO, UM, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, IT WOULD BE SLIDE SEVEN, JARED, IF THAT HELPS.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE WOULD BE SWITCHING LC OP, WHICH IS A, UM, GRANT THAT WE APPLY FOR EVERY YEAR.
AND IT STANDS FOR LOW CARBON TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT OPERATING PROGRAM.
UH, THE WAY THAT GRANT WORKS IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO SELECT WHETHER YOU WANT TO PURCHASE ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR IF IT WANTS YOU TO PUT IT TOWARDS, OH, MAYBE YOU'RE LIKE THREE TOO MANY.
UM, SO LC TOP, UM, IT ALLOWS YOU VARIOUS SOURCES THAT WOULD BE LIKE A LOW CARBON, YOU KNOW, FITTING IN THE THEME OF LOW CARBON.
UM, BUT ONE OF THEM WOULD BE, UM, FOR FAIR FREE OPERATIONS.
SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO DO LIKE A YOUTH FAIR FREE PROGRAM OR A SENIOR FAIR FREE, LIKE WHATEVER THAT CITY OR AGENCY IS DECIDING TO DO.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE TOWARDS OPERATION.
SO WE'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN USING IT TOWARDS BUS PURCHASES, HOWEVER, WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST ROUND OF BUSES IN.
WE HAVE FUNDING LINED UP FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF BUSES AS WELL.
SO THAT ALLOWS US TO REPURPOSE THAT FUTURE GRANT APPLICATION TOWARDS LC OP, UM, THROUGH TOWARDS OPERATION.
SO THAT WOULD BEGIN IN FY 27, SO NOT THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO AFTER EVERYTHING, RIGHT, SO OUR TOTAL EXPENSES AND THEN OUR TOTAL REVENUES, IT IS VERY COMMON FOR OUR TOTAL RE EXPENSES TO BE MORE THAN OUR TOTAL REVENUES PRIOR TO TDA, RIGHT? WE WANNA GET AS MANY REVENUE SOURCES IN BEFORE USING TDA, BUT TDA IS THAT GAP FOR US.
UM, SO IT, IT FILLS IN THE GAP, UM, FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO DEPLETE TDA, UM, SINCE IT IS THAT MAIN FUNDING SOURCE AND IT, IT HAS THE MOST, UM, IT OFFERS THE MOST VARIETY OF OPTIONS OF WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THAT FUNDING SOURCE, WHETHER IT'S CAPITAL OPERATING.
UM, SO THOSE COST SAVING MEASURES THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE, I INPUT THEM IN IN THE FY 26 1, THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND THEN IT SHOWS WHAT OUR AVAILABLE TDA IS.
UM, AND THEN AFTER OUR TDA REQUESTS, SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE EXPENSES AND REVENUES, THAT WOULD BE A REMAINING TDA BALANCE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 330,000 REMAINING BALANCE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEGATIVE BALANCE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, CHANGE OUR OPERATIONS, REDUCE COSTS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE NEED TO BEGIN EXPLORING.
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UM, SO JUST AS A REMINDER, TDA IS USED TO FILL IN ANY OPERATING GAPS.SO, UM, ANY UNUSED BALANCE FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR GETS REPOPULATED INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR'S AVAILABILITY, UM, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE GO NEGATIVE, IT JUST, WE, WE, THERE, THERE'S A WALL LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN'T GO NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE, LIKE WE JUST EVENTUALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, TDA IS TYPICALLY THE FINAL DOLLAR IN, UM, AS WE TRY TO USE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AS POSSIBLE.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, OH, MY COMPUTER'S BEING WEIRD.
SO POSSIBLE FUTURE FUNDING SOURCES ARE POSSIBLE, OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, GENERATE MORE REVENUE.
SO AS I MENTIONED, SWITCHING LCOP, UM, TOWARDS A FAIR FREE PROGRAM.
UM, ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE THE TRANSPORTATION FUND FOR CLEAN, CLEAN AIR.
THIS IS AN ANNUAL GRANT THAT WE APPLY FOR THROUGH S-C-T-C-A.
UM, HOWEVER, AT, AND WE HAVE USED IT IN THE PAST, UM, PRIOR TO COVID FOR OPERATIONS.
UM, HOWEVER, S-C-T-C-A HAS RECENTLY SWITCHED IT TO A COMPETITIVE PROGRAM.
SO IF WE APPLIED FOR IT FOR AN OPERATING COST, IT WOULD NEED TO MEET VERY SPECIFIC, LIKE COMPETITIVE IT, IT WOULD NEED TO MEET VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN ORDER TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE, UM, AS THEY WANT A VERY COST EFFECTIVE, UM, PROJECT FOR THEM TO AWARD THE GRANT TO.
SO THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE APPLIED FOR A BUS PURCHASE BECAUSE IT, IT, THE TRANSPORTATION FUND FOR CLEAN AIR, UH, AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HELP TOWARDS THAT.
UM, BUT GOING FORWARD, WE'D HAVE TO BE CREATIVE WITH ANY POSSIBLE IDEAS TO PUT IT TOWARDS OPERATING.
UM, WE HAVE RECENTLY OR ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR, UM, THREE GRANTS THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS OPERATING.
UM, WE APPLIED ON, UH, IN LATE AUGUST.
UM, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY OPERATING FUNDING FOR SENIORS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH LUMI FOR, UM, WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH LUMI, UH, INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHY I COULDN'T SAY THAT.
UM, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE A DA PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
UM, AND SO THE WAY WE APPLIED FOR IT WAS FOR LUGO, UM, BECAUSE LUGO OFFERS SAME DAY RIDES COMPARED TO PARATRANSIT.
IT ALLOWS FOR YOU TO RIDE WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, PARATRANSIT MIGHT BE, UM, DEPENDING ON SPOT AVAILABILITY FOR A PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT.
UM, SO THAT IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO APPLY FOR IT.
WE WON'T HEAR BACK UNTIL THE SPRING.
UM, SO, AND THAT MIGHT MAY POTENTIALLY FUND LUMA GO FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, IT MIGHT POTENTIALLY FUND HALF OF LUGO FOR TWO YEARS, SPECIFYING THAT.
UM, WE RECENTLY, UM, ISSUED LIKE A CALL FOR BIDS FOR ADVERTISING TO TRY TO GET MORE ADVERTISING, UM, SPECIFICALLY A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD, UM, MANAGE THE ADVERTISING ON OUR BUSES AT OUR BUS SHELTERS TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE.
WE CURRENTLY HAD A PAUSE ON THAT, BUT WE PREVIOUSLY, UM, HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
UM, WE'VE ALSO DONE S-C-T-C-A CYCLE TWO FUNDING.
WE'RE AWAITING NOTICE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S A VARIETY OF PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED AND S-C-T-A-C-A KIND OF PLAYS MATCHMAKER AND, UM, MATCHES US WITH THE RIGHT GRANT THAT MIGHT FIT OUR PROJECTS.
UM, WE'VE ALSO RECENTLY JUST SUBMITTED A SAFE ACCESS FOR ALL GRANT THAT WOULD ALSO VERY SIMILAR TO FTA 53 10 FUND LUGO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ACCESS FOR IT'S WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON DEMAND VEHICLES.
SO THERE'S ALSO THAT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'VE BEEN DOING IS ANYTIME THERE'S AN OPERATING GRANT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING SOURCES ARE AVAILABLE.
BUT IT'S ALSO DEPENDING ON GRANT, COMPETITIVITY GRANT AVAILABILITY, UM, AND UM, A LOT OF THE GRANTS THAT I SEE ARE RELATED TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS GREAT AS WE SWITCH OUR BUSES, BUT WE ALSO, UM, WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY OPERATING AS WELL.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A LAST SLIDE AS WELL.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UM, OTHER OPTIONS.
SO WOULD LUEGO CHARGE FARES? UM, IF WE CHARGED A DOLLAR 50 A RIDE AT OUR CURRENT RIDERSHIP, THAT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 42 KA YEAR.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPLORING LOW CARBON FUEL FUEL SAVINGS, UM, AS WE SWITCH TO THE BUS ELECTRIFICATION.
SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY AS WE CHARGE OUR BUSES ELECTRICALLY, UM, WHAT TYPE OF FUEL SAVINGS CAN WE DO? SO, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPLORING THAT AND MEETING WITH, UM, OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES THAT ARE BEGINNING THE PROCESS AS WELL TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF SAVINGS, UM, WE CAN IN OCCUR.
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UPDATING OUR ENERGY PLAN TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE COST EFFECTIVE ENERGY PLANS, COMMINGLING, PARATRANSIT, AND LUMA GO SERVICE.SO THAT WAY THE TWO KINDA TRANSITION SEAMLESSLY AND THAT WAY THE RIDES WILL JUST, UM, U USE IT IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY.
SO LIKE IF THERE'S A LUMA GO VEHICLE CLOSER, THEN MAYBE IT'S LUGO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES, SO TRYING TO MAKE IT THE MOST COST EFFICIENT.
UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, APPLYING FOR AVAILABLE GRANTS.
AND THEN, UM, WE MAY NEED TO BEGIN EXPLORING POTENTIAL SERVICE CUTS STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 2027.
SO JULY, 2026 IS THE BE BEGIN OF BEGINNING OF FISCAL YEAR 27.
SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE MAY NEED TO BEGIN DISCUSSING.
SO, UH, JARED, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA ADD BEFORE WE BEGIN QUESTIONS? NO, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB COVERING IT, KAMI.
I THINK ONLY ON THAT LAST POINT, IF THERE ARE SERVICE CUTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS TO DO.
SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE EVEN BEYOND THIS MEETING INTO THE UPCOMING ONES AS WELL AS WE HAVE MORE IDEAS FOR WHAT THOSE, UH, CHANGES THOSE POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS LOOK LIKE.
WE OF COURSE WANT TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE.
OUR GOAL IN THIS PROCESS OVERALL IS TO MINIMIZE ANY SORT OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO RIDERS, ANY CUTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO OUR FIRST ORDERS TRYING TO SHIFT FUNDS AROUND APPLYING FOR AS MANY GRANTS AND FUNDS AS WE CAN, DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO MINIMIZE CUTS.
AND ONLY AT THAT POINT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT.
IT'S KIND OF AN OPTION OF LAST RESORT.
UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY PROVIDE BRIEF COMMENTS, UH, ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT SHOULD NOT DELIBERATE ON THE MATTER.
IF A CONVERSATION IS WARRANTED, UH, WE WILL AGENDIZE IT FOR A FUTURE MEETING AS A BUSINESS TEAM.
SO, FRANK, YEAH, I WANNA, UM, I THINK THERE'S CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ON IT, AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE READ THE CHARTS, THE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON, ON PAGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HISTORY OF FUND ALLOCATIONS, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT RECORDING IN PROGRESS.
SORRY, JARED, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENT AROUND AND COLOR AROUND, UH, THE FUNDING TYPES AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE, THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR SOME TIME AND IT'S TAKEN ME QUITE A WHILE TO REALLY START TO FULLY GRASP IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMITTEE HAS A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
I MEAN, I'M TEMPTED TO KIND OF DIVE IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT NOW.
UM, BUT THE BOTTOM, I MEAN, FOR ME, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S REALLY A PRETTY BIG GAP BETWEEN REVENUE AND EXPENSES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, AND I THINK WE, WE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THIS BODY BE ENGAGED ON THAT AND, AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO COUNCIL.
I MEAN, DECISIONS WILL BE MADE, BUT IF THIS COMMITTEE IS PROACTIVE, I THINK IT WILL REALLY BE A, UH, A WORTHWHILE TIME FOR THE, FOR THE COMMITTEE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ITEMIZED AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY, I THINK NEED TO, TO GET IN FRONT OF, UM, AND, AND HAVE A, HAVE A PLAN AND HAVE INPUT.
SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO BE AGENDIZED.
UM, I HEARD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT PART OF THAT, THE CLARIFICATION OF THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS IT, OR A BEGINNING DISCUSSION OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROPOSE COST CUTTING? I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE.
SO THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS A PRESENTATION.
AND AS A PRESENTATION, AS I JUST UNDERSTOOD YOUR DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO DELIBERATE IT.
UM, AND PART OF THAT, PART OF THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE FOR PRESENTATION, THE PUBLIC'S NOT ABLE TO COME IN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION.
THEY COULD, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME AND PROVIDE GENERAL PUBLIC
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COMMENT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE FOR THEM TO PROVIDE.UM, SO MAYBE THIS SAME CONVERSATION HAPPENS UNDER THE TITLE OF A WORKSHOP AND IT'S AGENDA.
IT'S, IT'S A, AND THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND WEIGH IN ON, ON THAT.
BUT I MEAN, I, I LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS HOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, SLIDE THE SLIDE THAT EIGHT YEAH.
THE, THE, THE HISTORY OF THE FUND ALLOCATIONS, THE MEASURE M, THE STA, LIKE WHAT, IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY HERE TO BE, TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT JARED AND HIS TEAM, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS AND HOW TDA FUNDS ARE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME YEARS WE GET A LOT OF 'EM.
AND IN THE COVID YEARS, WE GOT A LOT OF 'EM, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF 'EM.
AND, AND THOSE EXTRA FUNDS WERE HAVE, HAVE REALLY BEEN USED TO SHORE UP SOME, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REVENUE AND EXPENSES OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
AND WE'RE STARTING TO ENTER INTO A TIMEFRAME WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A PRETTY BIG SHORTFALL.
AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONVER OPEN CONVERSATIONS AROUND, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO, DO WE NEED TO CUT LUMA, GO? DO WE NEED TO, UH, IN A, DO WE KEEP LUMA GO AND, AND LET IT SUBSIDIZE OR HAVE IT PARTICIPATE WITH PARATRANSIT? UH, IF WE DO THAT, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO CUT INTO, WE HAVE TO REDUCE ADDITIONAL FIXED SERVICE, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF DI THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF DIALOGUE WE NEED TO HAVE.
AND I WOULD LOVE IT FOR US TO HAVE THAT AND, AND IN A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT AND HAVE STAFF COME AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND AND WE CAN DELIBERATE ON WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING AND, AND, AND REALLY HAVE THAT OPEN AND, AND HONEST DIALOGUE SO THAT WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, IT, IT'S REALLY THE PUBLIC.
THE REASON THIS GETS DOWN TO WHY THIS COMMITTEE'S IMPORTANT, THIS COMMITTEE IS HERE BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS PUBLIC INPUT FOR THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS.
AND THIS COMMITTEE REPRESENTS PETALUMA HERE.
WE INVITE PETALUMA TO SHOW UP, BUT IF WE'RE THE ONLY ONE SHOWING UP, WE ARE PETALUMA.
AND, AND, UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, SORRY, I'M GOING ON AND ON, BUT THAT'S, BUT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS FORMAT.
SO IS, IS IT ALLOWABLE THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON OUR NEXT DOOR SUBSEQUENT AGENDA WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, A FULL DIALOGUE ON THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THIS, THEN THAT, OR, OR WHAT IF WE DID IT THE OTHER WAY? CAN, CAN WE DO THAT IN THIS FORMAT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN HEAR ALL THE MEMBERS ON THE DAYS OF THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT KIND OF THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, AND THEN WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE FOR NEXT STEPS.
AND I THINK IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS TO DO SOMETHING ALONG SIMILAR LINES OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT SAID, WE CAN PERHAPS BRING THAT BACK, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A WORKSHOP FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THAT GOES MORE IN DEPTH ON THE TOPICS, ALTHOUGH PUBLIC CAN ALWAYS GIVE COMMENTS DURING GENERAL PUBLIC SESSION FOR PRESENTATIONS.
THEY'RE MORE EASILY AND READILY ABLE TO DO SO DURING A WORKSHOP.
SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IS THE OUTCOME CONSENSUS FROM OUR DISCUSSION HERE ON THE DAYS TONIGHT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY DO AT A FUTURE MEETING.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION? ERIC? UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OR FRANK? SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO YEAH, NO, OTHER THAN I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, STAFF BRINGING THIS UP.
I WOULD SAY, UM, MY, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS IN LOOKING, SO I'M AN ACCOUNTANT, WELL, I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT
SO I'M A TRUCK DRIVING ACCOUNTANT.
SORRY, I'M GET, I'M GETTING OFF TRACK HERE.
THE, UM, THE WAY THE, THE WAY THE MATERIAL
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IS PRESENTED IN HERE IS NOT EASY TO UN TO REALLY SEE SORT OF THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, RUN RATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENSES AND TO, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO CLEARLY SEE, UM, HOW MUCH REVENUE WE HAD BY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WITH IT, WHAT THE EXPENSES WERE AND BE ABLE TO SEE REALLY IT WAS THE CARRYOVER OF THE TDA FUNDS THAT HAVE FINANCED THE SHORTFALLS OR THE YEARS WHERE REVENUE WAS LESS THAN EXPENSES.UM, I CAN, I CAN SORT OF SEE IT, BUT I'M HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH FROM SLIDE TO SLIDE TO KIND OF PUT THE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND I JUST, I, SO ANY, ANY, ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE FOR A WORKSHOP IF THAT COULD BE MORE CLEAR.
AND I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE PRESENTATION, WE SEE OPERATING BUDGET AFTER TDA AND WE SEE TOTAL EXPENSES, TOTAL REVENUES, AVAILABLE, TDA, AND IF WE SAW THAT, BUT WITH THE PREVIOUS YEARS TO SEE HOW IT FLOWED, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN THE TOTALS AND HOW TDA CAME IN AND WHAT THE OVERAGE WAS, WOULD THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE HOPING WE CAN SEE EASILY? OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT WANTING TO DO IT AT A MORE GRANULAR LEVEL? WELL, POSSIBLY, I, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SUPER GRANULAR, BUT WHAT I WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND, THE, THE THE THING THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2022 CURRENT AND YOU LAY OUT REVENUES AND EXPENSES, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A, A PICTURE WHERE WE HAD MORE REVENUE THAN WE HAD EXPENSES, AND THAT EXTRA REVENUE CAME IN THE FORM OF TDA MONEY, RIGHT? AND TDA, UM, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME.
KAMI, KAMI, WHAT SHE SAID WAS SHE, SHE MADE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
TDA OUT OF ALL THOSE REVENUES IS THE ONLY REVENUE THAT IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT ALL, YOU CAN CARRY IT OVER.
THE REST OF THOSE, THE REST OF THOSE FUNDS, THE REST OF THE REVENUE, IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT, YOU LOSE IT.
SO WE SPEND THAT FIRST, BUT THERE'S ALSO MORE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN SPEND IT ON, RIGHT? AND SO YOU WOULD SEE IT LAID OUT IF YOU, IF YOU, IF THE WAY I WANNA BE ABLE, THE WAY I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT MORE EASILY IS IF YOU LOOK AT REVENUES AND EXPENSES FROM 2020 TO CURRENT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE YEARS WHERE REVENUE WAS GREATER.
AND IT'S BECAUSE WE RECEIVED SORT OF A WINDFALL IN TDA FUNDS, RIGHT? AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE, IT ROLLED OVER, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE DIDN'T USE ALL OF OUR TDA FUNDS AND IT ROLLED OVER.
AND THEN WE START GOING INTO A PERIOD WHERE WE'RE USING ALL OF OUR TDA FUND WHERE OUR REVENUE WAS LESS, OUR EXPENSES EXCEEDED OUR REVENUES, BUT IT, IT'S HARD TO SEE BECAUSE WE HAD EXTRA TDA FUNDS SITTING IN A PIGGY BANK THAT WE USED.
I, I'M, I THINK I'M GETTING A PRETTY CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
UM, I THINK THEY KNOW AND YEAH.
BUT MAY, THE THING IS, I'M THINKING THAT BEFORE A MEETING, MAYBE PLAY AROUND WITH A, A FORMAT AND GET THAT TO YOU.
AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, THAT'S PERFECT.
UM, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU GETTING A SENSE OF IT? CAN WE YEAH, I CAN EMAIL YOU A FORMAT.
THERE WAS ALSO AN ATTACHMENT TO THE, UM, ITEM.
SO IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT LAYS IT OUT.
BUT IF THAT FORMAT WORKS, I CAN JUST BACKDATE ALL THE INFORMATION.
COUNSEL'S NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND THIS SO WELL, YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT TRANSIT EXPERTS, RIGHT? THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE FUNDS, THEY DON'T, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF.
AND SO IF WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE START TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING THE CUT, LIKE THEY HEAR IN THE BACKGROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL FUNDS ARE DRYING UP AND STATE FUNDS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE BUDGETS
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AND YOU KNOW, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S TROUBLE COMING, BUT IF WE HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO CUT SERVICES, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY.AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A FORMAT THAT MAKES IT VERY SIMPLE.
AND, UH, DAVE, I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND THIS AND I, AM I MISSING, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD ADD TO THAT? YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF VERY MINOR POINTS.
I'VE GOT SOME NOTES HERE I WAS GONNA GET TO WHEN SURE, SURE.
WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED, BUT I, NO, I, I THINK YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE VERY MUCH ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO GAIL, THAT'S ALL I, UM, THOSE WERE MY ONLY COMMENTS.
I'M SORRY TO, TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF THE TIME.
THE SERVICE CUTS ARE SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT, SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.
A COUPLE QUICK THOUGHTS ON THAT, IF I CAN.
SO ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS THAT CAN BE NOTED THAT'S IN THE PACKET, IT SHOWS OUR ACTUAL EXPENSES GOING BACK TO 2020 AND OUR FUNDS GOING BACK TO 2019.
SO IT GOES BACK SEVERAL YEARS LOOKING AT THAT HISTORICALLY.
BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH KIND OF THE FUTURE DISCUSSION OF THIS.
I THINK FRAMING IT IN A WAY TO WHERE IT'S EASILY DIGESTIBLE FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE, DON'T HAVE STRONG EXPERTISE IN IT.
AS WE LAY OUT HOW MUCH SERVICE DOLLARS WE THINK WE HAVE TO SHIFT, HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO POTENTIALLY SAVE TO QUEUE UP THAT DISCUSSION A BIT MORE.
I THINK I SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER HERE.
AND ONE MORE THE, ON THE, ON THE TOPIC OF FU OF SORT OF FUTURE, YOU KNOW, REVENUE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO GO AFTER.
I THINK FRAMING THAT UP IN TERMS OF NOT OVERSELLING IT BY, NOT UNDERSELLING IT, BUT NOT OVERSELLING IT, SHARING THAT IN A WAY THAT SAYS, HERE'S HOW MUCH WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AND SORT OF OUR BEST GUESS PROBABILITY AT MM-HMM
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE, I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO MAKE A DECISION TO SORT OF PUT OFF THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS BASED ON A PRAYER AND A HOPE THAT'S LIKELY NOT GONNA COME TO FRUITION.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT A COUPLE.
SO I THINK WHAT FRANK WAS SAYING, KIND OF LAID, LAID THE GROUNDWORK OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE SAID.
AND I WAS READING SOMETHING IN HERE THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT OTHER, OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE, THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A UNIQUE CASE, BUT, UM, GIVEN THAT I'M A NEWER COMMITTEE MEMBER, AND SO IS LESLIE, I THINK SOME BACKGROUND, AT LEAST ON A NARRATIVE SENSE, WOULD HELP TO KIND OF PAINT THE PICTURE AS TO WHY WE'RE HEADING IN THIS DIRECTION.
AND JUST BASED ON EVERYTHING WE HAVE SO FAR, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SEE AS POTENTIAL ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE HORIZON PRETTY PRETTY SOON.
AND WHETHER THAT MEANS A DISCUSSION HERE, AS WE ALWAYS DO, AS A PUBLIC BODY OR IN A WORKSHOP JOINTLY WITH A COUNCIL WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF A STRONGER AUDIENCE INPUT, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE.
UM, I DO LOOK AT SOME OF THE COST SAVING MEASURES AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THE NONPROFIT SECTOR WHO RECEIVES, WE RECEIVE, WE RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING FOR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POOLS OF MONEY THAT AREN'T ALWAYS RESTRICTED TO SPECIFIC THINGS.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE, LIKE THE $700,000 OR THE REDUCTION IN CONSULTANT FEES OR, YOU KNOW, GRANTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE ALLOWABLE FOR OPERATING COSTS.
I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA.
BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PRECEDENCE THAT WILL SET BECAUSE WE, WE WANT THE AGENCY AND WE WANT THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE GROWING AND TO CONTINUE EXPLORING HOW WE CAN USE MICRO TRANSIT OR ENHANCING OUR LINES OR MAKING SURE THAT OUR, OUR, UH, STAFF ARE, ARE PAID FAIRLY.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS ALSO COMING FROM MONEY THAT WAS AT LEAST SEMI INTENDED FOR THOSE SPECIFIC USES.
SO I JUST GO BACK TO MY POINT IN SAYING THAT WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA SEE AS ACTIONABLE ITEMS NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
BUT ENCOURAGING THAT LARGER DISCUSSION THAT IS, IS REALLY GONNA BE NECESSARY AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SOON.
SO I GUESS JUST REALLY TO REITERATE IT, UM, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GET THAT FORWARD BEFORE WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO WHAT REALLY LOOK LIKE, UM, STRONG DEADLINES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? UM, YEAH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S DISHEARTENING TO HEAR THAT THERE MIGHT NEED TO
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BE CUTS.UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US PROGRESSING WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR TRANSIT OPTIONS.
I THINK, UM, THERE'S JUST SO MANY, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE EXPENSES OF RUNNING TRANSIT AND WE THINK ABOUT THE DOLLAR SIGN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T ALWAYS CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH CUTTING THOSE SORTS OF SERVICES? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL CARS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE ROAD IF, UM, IF YOU KNOW, A ROUTE IS CUT OR WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ALL OF THESE OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE COST IS.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IT'D BE, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SORT OF EXPLORES, LIKE WHAT IS THE REAL IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO MAKE THESE SORTS OF CUTS.
I'LL JUST GO NEXT AND GO DOWN THE ROW WITH ALL THESE VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS.
I JUST HAVE A, HOW DO I READ IT, COMMENT, UM, WHEN YOU JUST HAVE THE YEAR, IT'S A CALENDAR YEAR.
AND WHEN YOU SAY IT'S THE FISCAL YEAR, IT'S THE FISCAL YEAR, AND I'M, I HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE GOING BACK AND FORTH OR ALL THE GRANTS AND OTHER SOURCES LIKE TDA, ARE THOSE ALL CALENDAR YEAR ITEMS AND YOU JUST SORT, SORT OF HAVE TO SPREAD IT OUT? NO, MY APOLOGIES.
SO WHEN YOU SEE 2025, THAT'S 24, 25.
MY BRAIN THINKS IN ACADEMIC YEARS, AND NOW I'M SWITCHED TO THIS JOB WHERE EVERYTHING'S FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT JUST, MY BRAIN JUST AUTOMATICALLY GOES THERE.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE THE PAGE FIVE OR WHATEVER.
SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S CALENDAR YEAR
I'M JUST STRAIGHTENING ME, STRAIGHTENING ME, STRAIGHTENING MY HEAD.
UM, THE, THE ONE THING I, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT ERIC WAS, YOU WERE SAYING, BUT IN MY OWN WORDS AND YOU, IS THAT WHEN WE DO LOOK AT, UM, THE SOURCES AND WHAT IT'S BEING SPENT ON, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GRANTS THAT ARE PRESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT YOU CAN SPEND, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME IN AND IT GOES THERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ELSE WE WANNA DO IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL TRANSIT OPERATING EXPENSES, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT CAPITAL.
UM, SO JUST TO SORT OF GET A BETTER, JUST SOME CLARITY ON THE MAPPING, THAT'S YEAH.
I CAN HAVE ALL THAT READY FOR A WORKSHOP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW HOW LONG THIS BUS SYSTEM HAS BEEN IN PETALUMA, BUT IT'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE SEVENTIES AS I RECALL.
UM, ONE THING WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS HOW CLOSE HAVE WE BEEN IN THE PAST 50 YEARS ALMOST TO BEING IN THIS SITUATION AND SEE WHAT WAS DONE THEN AND SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
AND THAT'S NOT, AND I'M NOT GOING ANY DEEPER 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, BUT THAT'S ALL I WANT.
WELL, ONE, I STRONGLY ENDORSE THE APPROACH OF GOING TO A WORKSHOP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PERHAPS DECEMBER, IF THAT WORKS.
MOVING ON TO AN ACTION ITEM IN JANUARY.
AND THEN PRESUMABLY GETTING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS LATE AS MANAGEMENT WANTS TO GO AND INSTITUTE A SCHEDULE CHANGE IN MAY.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ON, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON A DEADLINE.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT, MR. HALL? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY CLOSE TIMELINE.
FOR THEIR NOTES, VERY, VERY GOOD.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A WORKSHOP IS SCENARIOS.
THE ONES THAT JUMP OUT TO ME IMMEDIATELY ARE COMPLETELY DROP, LOO, GO.
NOT PROPOSING THAT, JUST SAYING, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT THE OUTCOME MIGHT BE OF COMMINGLING, LUGO AND PARATRANSIT.
AND THEN IF WE CAN DO THIS, AND PERHAPS IT, WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE GRANT RESTRICTIONS, UNWINDING THE 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS AND HEY, I'M PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ADVOCATE FOR 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS OUT THERE.
BUT JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES FOR US.
ADDING ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE, WELL, TWO THINGS.
CAMMI, I LOVE, YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, BUT EIGHT SIGNIFICANT FIGURES IS PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE CONFUSING.
I, I THINK FOR PUR, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS, I THINK IF WE CAN CUT IT BACK TO THE
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NEAREST THOUSAND, WE'RE PROBABLY, WE'LL CONNECT BETTER WITH THE AUDIENCE.I THINK THOSE OF US UP HERE CAN SORT IT OUT, BUT IT'S JUST, YEAH, SORRY, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT NOT AN ACCOUNTANT HAVE ZERO ACCOUNTING BACKGROUND, SO I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK
BUT A SHOUT OUT TO THE THOROUGHNESS.
AND THEN WHEN WE MOVE INTO THIS WORKSHOP AND ACTION ITEM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PUBLICIZE THIS EVENT IN A WAY WE HAVEN'T, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CITY NEWSLETTER.
I MEAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, HE'S NOT OUR TARGET AUDIENCE.
UM, SO WE, WE NEED PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND MAYBE THE WAY TO SAY IT IS, HEY, WE MAY DROP, LUMA GO, THAT WILL GET PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
THEY'LL HEAR US LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES, BUT THAT WILL, WE NEED, WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE FIRED UP AND ENGAGED.
UM, ONE SMALL THOUGHT ON THE PRESENTATION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND JARED TOOK THE, UM, DISPLAY AWAY FROM US.
WE HAVE A TABLE WHERE WE SHOW GRANTS FOR THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THEN THEY GO TO ZERO, WHICH IS PROBABLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GRANTS MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE.
REALISTICALLY, I DON'T, THEY'RE DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO TO ZERO.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE REASONABLE.
WE, THESE, THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT I DON'T THINK ZERO IS APPROPRIATE IN WHATEVER YEAR IT IS.
AND, AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT WE DO IN 2029, BUT STILL IT JUST, IT'S ODD TO ASSUME A ZERO THERE.
UM, THEN ONTO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON SLIDE EIGHT.
THE ARITHMETIC I DON'T THINK IS CORRECT.
UM, IF I LOOK AT THE NEGATIVE REVENUE IN, OH, I, SORRY, NEGATIVE REVENUE.
UH, IN FISCAL YEAR 2025, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT 3.6 MILLION, AND YET WE'RE ONLY TAKING 3.2 MILLION OUT OF THE TDA BUDGET.
I, I THINK THERE'S A 400,000 THOUSAND DOLLARS BUS THERE.
UH, THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT DEDICATED TOWARDS CAPITAL AS WELL.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT 400 OH, OKAY.
SO, SO OTHER FOLKS DON'T GET IT, BUT THAT GREAT RESPONSE.
UH, THEN JUST A COUPLE OF MAYBE MINOR QUESTIONS.
WE TAKE A CREDIT FOR REDUCING THE USE OF CONSULTANTS, BUT WE DO THAT BECAUSE STAFF EXPENSES ARE GOING UP, CORRECT? YES.
BUT I'M NOT SURE I SEE STAFF EXPENSES GOING UP AS A LINE ITEM THERE.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE'RE TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMETHING BUT NOT SHOWING THE EXPENSE OF IT.
WOULDN'T THAT BE, UH, AN OFFSETTING MAYBE THEY COME OUT OF DIFFERENT FUNDS.
YEAH, I, I GUESS WHERE ARE STAFF EXPENSES ON THAT, ON THOSE TABLES? ARE THEY UNDER TOTAL? WHICH CHART WOULD YOU SAY SHOWS THOSE BEST? KAMY, GENERALLY IT'S COMING OUT OF T-B-A-T-A IS KIND OF THE SIMPLE ANSWER FOR THE MAJORITY OF STAFF.
SO THE STAFF ESTIMATES GET APPROPRIATED LIKE TO EACH ROUTE, UM, DEPENDING ON THEIR USAGE.
SO FIXED ROUTE ACCOUNTS FOR 68% OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE HOURS, SO 68%.
AND SO IT ALL GETS FIXED INTO THERE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT IT TO THE NATIONAL TRANSIT DATABASE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THAT.
SO THE STAFF EXPENSES ARE IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE 5% INCREASE ANNUALLY AS WELL OF OUR ESTIMATED TOTAL COSTS.
BUT GIVEN THE FACT WE'VE ADDED NEW STAFF IN THE PAST YEAR, SHOULDN'T WE SEE A LITTLE MORE OF A JUMP IN THE TOTAL EXPENSES BECAUSE OF THAT? AND, AND MAYBE IT'S SORT OF LOST IN THE NEW MV CONTRACT? YEAH.
UM, SO IT'S NOT IN THE NEW MV CONTRACT AND BASED UPON THE TIMING AND THEN, UM, JUST PREVIOUS CHANGING OF POSITIONS, IT EVENS OUT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT OF AS WELL.
IT'S JUST, IT JUST, IT'S JUST ODD TO CLAIM, CLAIM RE REDUCE COST AND NOT BE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT NEW COSTS ARE INCURRED.
YEAH, AND I WOULD SAY THERE WERE POSITIONS WE HAVEN'T ADDED CITY STAFF, IT'S FILLING POSITIONS.
WE'VE ADDED UP BOOKS FOR A FEW YEARS.
SO FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES, YOU ALWAYS PLANNING FULL USE, FULL EXPENDITURE OF THE STAFF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WE'RE NOW FULLY STAFFED, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT YEAH, THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS WERE SOMEWHAT AN OFFSET WHILE WE WEREN'T FULLY STAFFED TO HELP KIND OF CARRY THAT OVER, WHICH MEANS WE SAVED MONEY IN PAST YEARS 'CAUSE WE HAD VACANT POSITIONS.
AND THE LAST COMMENT, REALLY MINOR ADVERTISING DOLLARS.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS PUSHES IN THE PAST TO DO ADVERTISING THAT GRADUALLY WENT AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.
WHAT KIND OF REVENUE DID WE HAVE IN PAST YEARS WHERE WE, WE TRULY WERE PUSHING ADVERTISING AND IS OUR $50,000 A REASONABLE NUMBER GOING FORWARD? AND IF YOU, IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T WANT, YOU WANNA HOLDING THAT TILL DECEMBER, THAT'S FINE.
NO, I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT.
I WOULD SAY HISTORICALLY, I BELIEVE WE'VE RECEIVED ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 20 TO 30,000 FOR ADVERTISING.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT REVAMPING THE PROGRAM NOW, WE KIND OF DID AN ANALYSIS OF BEST PRACTICES AND NEARBY AGENCIES TO LOOK AT THEIR
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CONTRACTS, THEIR TERMS, HOW MUCH THEY'RE RECEIVING, KIND OF ON A PER VEHICLE PER SHELTER BASIS.AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH OUR ESTIMATES THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
I WOULD SAY THE RANGE IS ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70,000 IN OUR FIRST YEAR.
WE HAVEN'T DONE A FULL BORE PROPOSAL CONTRACT WITH IT IN SEVERAL YEARS.
SO I THINK WE'LL REALLY BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOMES LOOK LIKE ON THOSE PROPOSALS, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH NOW AND SEE WHAT THE MARKET BEARS AND WHAT WE CAN SEE WITH REVENUE.
BUT THAT'S OUR EDUCATED GUESS BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS WE DID OF OTHER AGENCIES.
APPRECIATED A FEW COMMENTS IF I CAN MADAM CHAIR ON THAT DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENT CONSENSUS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANNA BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT TAC MEETING, GO IN MORE DEPTH IN THE DISCUSSION.
WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP TO TALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
WE'LL PUT TOGETHER DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ON THE DIFFERENT ROUTES.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, MATRIX OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE.
AND WE'RE GONNA QUANTIFY THE IMPACTS OF ANY CHANGES REDUCTIONS THAT WE DO.
IT'S THE SAVINGS, ANY MONETARY IMPACTS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT RIDERSHIP IMPACTS, IF SOMETHING WENT AWAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IMPACTED.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NON-QUANTITATIVE, MORE QUALITATIVE TYPE IMPACTS, LIKE EQUITY, WHO'S SERVED BY SERVICES, WHAT AREAS OF CITY WOULDN'T BE SERVED, PERHAPS IF A ROUTE WENT AWAY.
WE CAN GO INTO MORE DEPTH ON ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A LOT OF COMPLICATED INPUTS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TRANSIT.
AND I'M SURE THE DISCUSSION WILL BE NO DIFFERENT.
AND WE'LL REVISE THE NUMBERS TO PROVIDE THE INFO WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND I THINK IN A WAY THAT'S MORE PALATABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND KIND OF GET RIGHT TO THE QUICK OF KIND OF THE EXPENSES AND THE REVENUE HISTORICAL BRINGING US UP TO TODAY.
AND I THINK WE'LL REALLY TALK ABOUT THE HIGH POINTS.
I THINK SOME OF THE MAJOR HIGH POINTS OF TAKEAWAY IS KIND OF THE ONGOING TRENDS STARTING REALLY BACK WITH COVID.
WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID IS OF COURSE THE REVENUE DROPPED SUBSTANTIALLY FOR ALL THE TRANSIT AGENCIES AS THE RIDERSHIP KIND OF DISSIPATED.
AND WE RECEIVED A LARGE INFLUX OF FEDERAL STIMULUS FUNDS.
SO THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY IN YEARS, UH, SINCE FY 20 THROUGH ABOUT FY 22, YOU SEE OUR REVENUE IS SO MUCH HIGHER.
IT WAS DUE TO THOSE FUNDS OR NOT FOR THOSE FUNDS.
THE REVENUE WOULD'VE BEEN INCREDIBLY LOW, LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A, A LOT FLATTER THAN WHAT IT IS.
BUT INSTEAD WE HAD THOSE ONE-TIME FUNDS COMING IN, WHICH HELPED TO OFFSET ANY LOSSES.
BUT THOSE FUNDS ARE NOW EXPENDED.
AND SO WE'RE BACK TO OUR TYPICAL HISTORICAL FUNDING SOURCES, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY T-D-A-S-T-A GO SONOMA.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL FLUCTUATIONS WITHIN THAT CAN BE TOUCHED ON.
SEVERAL, LIKE THE GENERAL DECREASE IN TDA FUNDS, THOSE HAVE DROPPED FOR 11 STRAIGHT QUARTERS THROUGHOUT A REGION.
SO THAT WAS WAY BELOW ANY REGIONAL PROJECTIONS.
THE TWO STA RESCISSIONS THAT WERE UNEXPECTED THAT HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON SONOMA COUNTY OPERATORS.
AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF THE FLIP SIDE, THE EXPENSE SIDE.
UH, SO ONE BIG PIECE IS THE NEW MB CONTRACT THAT WE ENTERED INTO.
WE WERE ANTICIPATING A 12 TO 13% YEAR INCREASE IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT WAS ABOUT A 19 20% INCREASE.
AND THEN THAT HAS CASCADE EFFECTS EACH SUBSEQUENT YEAR.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OVER TIME IS REALLY CONSEQUENTIAL.
AND ONE LAST THING WITH KIND OF THE SERVICE AND THE GRANTS AS OF NOW, THE GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED A THREE YEAR GRANT FROM S-C-T-C-A THAT HELPS TO FUND PARTIALLY LUMA GO, AND THEN THE 15 MINUTE EXPANSION ON ROUTES TWO AND 11 AND A LITTLE BIT OF SCHOOL TRIP OR SERVICE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THOSE, UH, ROUTES DON'T HAVE FUNDING IDENTIFIED TO KEEP THOSE GOING.
SO THE HOPE IS ALWAYS THAT YOU GET THE SEED MONEY WITH THE GRANTS AND THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND YOU FIND FUNDING TO KEEP THEM GOING BEYOND THAT.
BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS, AS I'M SURE IT WILL BE AS WELL AS, AS OF NOW, ONCE THOSE GRANT FUNDS ARE UP, THERE'S NOT FUNDING IDENTIFIED TO KEEP THOSE SERVICES GOING.
SO, AND, AND GENERALLY WHEN YOU GET GRANTS, IF IT'S A LARGE SUBSTANTIAL GRANT, SUCH AS THAT ONE THAT WE GOT FROM S-E-T-C-A, IT'S CALLED A-M-T-I-S GRANT, MOVING TRAN, I FORGET THE ACRONYM, MOVE TRAFFIC AND MOVE TRAFFIC IMPROVE SAFETY.
THAT WAS PREDICATED ON SERVICE EXPANSION.
SO IT WASN'T, YOU CAN RUN YOUR CURRENT SERVICE ON THAT.
WE HAD TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS AS IT WAS APPLIED FOR SEVERAL YEARS BACK.
MOST NOTABLY THE 15 MINUTE SERVICE ON 11 AND TWO.
SO SOME OF THE TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR HANDS ARE A BIT TIED WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES.
YOU CAN'T ALWAYS REALLOCATE TOWARDS OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S SOMETIMES FLEXIBILITY, BUT IN SOME CASES THERE'S NOT.
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COULD ADD ONE THING, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SCENARIOS, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY THOUGHT OF THIS, BUT JUST IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T, UM, CERTAINLY ONE SCENARIO IS THAT, UM, A SERVICE LIKE LUMA GO, CONTINUES TO OPERATE AS IS, UM, AND EVEN POTENTIALLY EXPAND, BUT IT'S JUST NOT FUNDED BY TRANSIT.RIGHT? IT'S FUNDED THROUGH OTHER CITY SOURCES.
SO, AND I, BUT I THINK THAT'S, UH, I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVES COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE AS THIS BODY, IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S BROUGHT FORTH TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH TAC, HERE'S THE RECOMMENDED PACKAGE OF CHANGES WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND FROM THERE, I WOULD ANTICIPATE A DELIBERATION OF COUNCIL IS, ARE THESE CHANGES PALATABLE? DO WE WANNA MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS TO IT WITHIN THE TRANSIT FUNDS OR OTHER FUNDS? AND THEN IT REALLY BECOMES A COUNCIL, WHAT THEY WANNA DO, LOOKING MORE BROADLY THAN THE TRANSIT FUNDING BUCKET AND WHAT THOSE AREAS ARE.
I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THE OVERALL STATE OF THE CITY, UH, FISCAL SITUATION, HOW THAT'S LOOKING.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE IN SIMILARLY TIGHT STRAITS, BUT THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I ANTICIPATE.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, DAVE.
COULD YOU SAY AGAIN WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? 'CAUSE DECEMBER IS OUR WORKSHOP AND YOU WERE THINKING WHAT WAS JANUARY WOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM BY THIS BODY.
SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS.
AND THEN FEBRUARY WOULD BE ACTION BY THE COUNCIL.
WRITTEN ALL OVER MY ANNOTATED MEETINGS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.SO, UM, DID ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING? NO.
ALRIGHT THEN, UH, I APPROVE THE MINUTES WITHOUT CHANGES.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.AND UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, PUB PETALUMA TRANSIT FISCAL YEAR 26, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AGENCY SAFETY PLAN, APPROVAL AND ADOPTION.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT THIS? I AM.
SO THIS ITEM TONIGHT WE ARE RECOMMENDING A, UM, ACTION FROM TAC, WHICH WOULD APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION WE BRING TO COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE UPDATE OF THE FY 26 PT TASK PLAN AND PASK.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THAT FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT IS THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AGENCY SAFETY PLAN.
AND SO PTS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WAS CREATED BY THE FTA IN 2019 WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE A PLAN THAT WE'RE, UH, PROVIDING THAT'S APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FTA FUNDING AND BEING A RECIPIENT IN GOOD STANDING.
AND SO THE FIRST SUCH PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN FY 21 AND WE'VE SUBSEQUENTLY DID MINOR APPROVALS OF THAT PLAN AND SUBMITTED TO FTA SINCE THEN.
WE RECENTLY DISCOVERED THAT FTA WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK THE PLAN EVERY YEAR, HAVE IT BE FORMALLY ADOPTED BY COUNSEL, EVEN IF THERE'S MINIMAL OR NO CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
BUT IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT BACK AND DISCUSS IT WITH TAC AND GET ANY INPUT ON THE PLAN.
AND SO THIS PLAN, IF PEOPLE READ THE PRIOR ONE, IT LOOKS, UH, FAIRLY SIMILAR.
IT COVERS SEVERAL AREAS OF OUR SAFETY PROGRAM IN WHAT'S TERMED THE SMS OR SAFETY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM APPROACH, WHICH IS KIND OF THE BEST PRACTICE IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LOOKS AT ALL THINGS SAFETY WITHIN THE AGENCY AND HOW WE HANDLE THEM.
SO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE DISCUSS IN THIS PLAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SAFETY PERFORMANCE TARGETS, AS IN THE RATE OF SAFETY INCIDENTS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR FACILITIES.
IT TALKS ABOUT OUR SAFETY MAN MANAGEMENT POLICIES AND HOW WE COMMUNICATE THOSE POLICIES TO STAFF.
AND THEN THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, THAT LATTER PIECE BEING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID UPDATE IN THIS PLAN IN PARTICULAR IS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A NEW SAFETY AND TRAINING MANAGER POSITION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED THE PLAN.
AND STAFF HAS CHANGED HANDS IN A FEW CASES.
WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE LISTED IN THAT REGARD.
WE TALK ABOUT OUR SAFETY REPORTING, FOR EXAMPLE, ANYTHING THAT WE SEE FROM OUR STAFF, WE WANT THEM TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION WITHIN 24 HOURS.
AND THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT CHANNELS THAT THEY CAN BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF MYSELF, OTHER MANAGEMENTS.
AND THEN WE'LL START LOOKING AT IT SYSTEMATICALLY THROUGH THE PROCESS OUTLINED IN THIS PLAN.
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EMAIL, IT CAN BE VERBALLY, IT CAN BE A WRITTEN NOTICE, SOMETHING LIKE IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE ON ONE OF THE BUSES AND THE DRIVER FELT THERE WASN'T SOMETHING SAFE, A MIRROR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.EVEN IF THERE'S LIKE A SPILL IN THE BUILDING, THOSE TYPE OF SAFETY THINGS CAN BE MINOR, BUT CONSEQUENTIAL, THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSED QUICKLY.
SO WE AS STAFF AND MANAGEMENT ALWAYS WANNA ADDRESS THOSE AS FAST AS WE CAN.
OTHER THINGS LIKE THREATS TO STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S INTERNAL THREATS, EXTERNAL THREATS TOWARDS STAFF, SOMETHING THAT'S INCREASED ACROSS THE INDUSTRY, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND THEN FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S AGAIN, INTERNAL OR PUBLIC FACING FACILITIES.
WE TALK ABOUT OUR SAFETY RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN, INCLUDING SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT OUR, UM, AVAILABILITY SUCH AS OUR VIDEOS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR REVENUE VEHICLES HAVE VIDEOS IN THEM.
SO WE TALK ABOUT THAT SYSTEM, AS DOES OUR FACILITY.
WE TALK ABOUT OUR VARIOUS INCIDENT REPORTS.
WE HAVE A PROBABILITY MATRIX THAT'S LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS AND HOW LIKELY THEY ARE FROM NEGLIGIBLE TO CATASTROPHIC.
TRYING TO QUANTIFY THAT ELEMENT.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE PROMOTE THE PLAN AND HOW WE KEEP RECORDS OF IT.
AND SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS PLAN, UH, FORWARD TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THIS WOULD BE THE UPDATE FOR FY 26, AND IF IT'S APPROVED NOW, WE WOULD BE BACK NEXT YEAR TO PROVIDE ANOTHER UPDATE ON THE PLAN AND HAVE IT ADOPTED AGAIN.
UH, BUT WITH THAT MADAM CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SORRY, JUST OH, THANK YOU JARED.
UH, I'LL ASK THE COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS FOR QUESTIONS.
NOTHING, MY ONLY, UH, COMMENT WAS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE, UM, SINCE WE HAVEN'T REALLY RE UM, REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT IN DETAIL AS, AS A COMMITTEE.
BUT WHEN I ASKED JARED ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CHANGES, UM, AND HE WAS SAYING THAT IT WAS MINOR AND STAFF MOVING IN AND OUT, A NEW MA UH, NEW SAFETY MANAGER AND HE WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE PAGES.
SO HE HAS UPDATED THE CHANGE CONTROL TABLE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE DON'T SEE ONLINE THAT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES WHAT SPECIFICALLY HAS CHANGED.
UM, SO THAT MADE ME MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IN RECOMMENDING IT'S, UH, GO, GO TO CITY, UH, COUNCIL.
AND THAT WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE ITEM THAT GOES BEFORE COUNTS ALL THOSE CHANGES.
I HAD A QUESTION, BUT ALSO I GUESS A COMMENT, UM, ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
IT'S THE NATURE, BUT YEAH, IT'S SUPER MINOR.
I MEAN IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT OF, UM, ON MY WAY HERE, BUT, UM, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT LIKE OUR AGENCY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SERVICE HEAVY, IT'S STAFF AND I KEPT HEARING THE WORD STAFF USED OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH FROM YOU JUST NOW FOR THREATS, EXTERNAL, INTERNAL SPILLAGE, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
BUT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF DOESN'T HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE ALSO PROMOTING THIS FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR STAFF, BUT IT'S TALKING MORE AS JUST A BODY OR AN AGENCY.
AND SO I GUESS THE ANGLE THAT I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT FOR THE RESOLUTION IS TO HUMANIZE IT A LITTLE BIT AND JUST TO AT LEAST THROW IN THE WORD STAFF, UM, IN ONE OF THE, WHEREAS CLAUSES AND I HAD A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, SEVENTH, UH, WHEREAS TO JUST ADD A, TO STRIKE OUT AN AND FROM BE IN BETWEEN OPERATIONS AND SERVICES AND THEN ADD A COMMA AND THEN ADD IN AT THE END AND STAFF OF THE AGENCY.
AND THAT WAS ON BULLET NUMBER SEVEN.
YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
WELL WE, WE COULD OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'LL ASK IF ANY COMMENT WERE EMAIL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED? NO, WE DID NOT RECEIVE.
UM, SO CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE TO UM, PASS THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WITH THAT CHANGE INCLUDED? ALRIGHT.
SO CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
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OKAY.SO NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO, UM, STAFF COMMENT AND WE HAVE THE, UM, TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE COMMITTEE COMMENTS UP NEXT COMMENT.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
IS COMMITTEE COMMENT TIME.UH, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY CHAIR SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMITTEE, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
AND THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
SO WOULD ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? WE'LL START WITH YOU, UH, FRANK.
UM, JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE QUICK THING.
LAST NIGHT, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL WE HEARD A, WE RECEIVED A, A, A WORKSHOP ON THE D STREET PILOT.
I KNOW IT, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT TRANSIT STOPS OR BUSES OR, OR, OR TRANSIT IN GENERAL, BUT, UH, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, OFTENTIMES I THINK ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND OUR TRANSIT IS CLOSELY LINKED.
UM, AND SO, UM, REALLY THE, THE, UM, COUNCIL HEARD A, A PRESENTATION, IT'S TECHNICALLY A WORKSHOP, BUT A PRESENTATION ON, UH, THE FIRST YEAR THAT, THAT THAT D STREET PILOT'S BEEN IN EFFECT.
UM, THE, THE DATA THAT WAS SHARED WAS, WAS, UM, GENERALLY SUPPORTED THAT, UH, D STREET, THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN SAFER.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THERE'S BEEN, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A MIX OF, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, BOTH POSITIVE, UH, AND NEGATIVE.
UH, I WOULD SAY MY GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE, WA OR, OR MY, MY PERCEPTION WAS THAT, UH, WE HAD A, UH, A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT, A ROBUST TURNOUT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED THE, THE D STREET CHANGES.
UH, THE WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE THE PILOT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
I THINK THE TIMEFRAME THAT WAS GIVEN WAS ABOUT 12 MONTHS.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT IS PLANNED FOR D STREET THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
UH, AND SO AT THAT POINT, REALLY THIS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PILOT, UM, CAME ABOUT, UH, BECAUSE MEMBERS OF ACTUALLY PEOPLE ON D STREET SAYING WE WANT SAFER CROSSWALKS, AND, UH, THAT TURNED INTO A, YOU KNOW, WORKING GROUP TO COME UP WITH THE, THE PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE, UH, KNOWING THAT THERE'S FUTURE UTILITY WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE THAT IS GOING TO REALLY BE THE CATALYST FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, REPAVING D STREET PRETTY MUCH A, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY WORK THAT'S UNDERGROUND, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY REBUILT.
AND SO THIS PILOT WAS THE CITY'S OPPORTUNITY TO TEST SOME THINGS, COLLECT SOME DATA BEFORE THEY BUILD IT PERMANENTLY.
AND, UM, AND I'M SURE THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE BIKE LANES AND THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIFTH STREET GREENWAY WITH THE DIVIDER AND THOSE TYPES OF ME TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES THAT WERE WERE PUT IN PLACE, WERE WILL, WILL CONTINUE.
NONE FROM ME, BUT I, I DID WANT TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT FRANK WAS SAYING.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ATTEND LAST NIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK OFTENTIMES THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE A LITTLE RESISTANT TO CHANGE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SEE IT.
AND THEN, OH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD, A GOOD IDEA AND A GOOD PATH FORWARD.
AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS THAT'S PERTINENT TO OUR, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
I, ALL I WANTED TO DO IS POINT OUT THAT TOMORROW NIGHT, NOT ONLY, UH, IS A NO BEFORE YOU GROW, I THINK, UH, BOARD MEETING BOARD, YEAH.
BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ON, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CORONA ROAD MCDOWELL AREA
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THAT IT'S GONNA BE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.I THINK IT STARTS AT FIVE TO SEVEN AND IT'S, I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING IN AND WATCHING IT OR BEING THERE.
THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION YES.
I SEE CORONA AND NORTH MCDOWELL JUST MORE SPECIFICALLY.
[STAFF COMMENT]
MOVING ON TO THE STAFF COMMENT PART OF THE MEETING.AND, UH, JARED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT? YES, THANK YOU AGAIN.
SO FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM BY 9.9 0.4% INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP.
THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE SAW A 14.3% INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP.
OUR TRANSIT FACILITY, ELECTRIFICATION CAPITAL PROJECT IS COMING ALONG WELL, OF COURSE, THIS IS THE PHASE ONE CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'LL INSTALL THE ELECTRIC BUS CHARGERS WE NEED.
THAT'LL LET US CHARGE 10 OF OUR VEHICLES OR ABOUT 40% OF OUR FLEETS.
AND SO THAT PROJECT BROKE GROUND IN OCTOBER.
IT WAS EARLIER AWARDED TO MIKE BROWN ELECTRIC.
AND SO WE'RE PROFE PROCEEDING FULL STEAM AHEAD ON THAT PROJECT.
AND IT'S COMING ALONG QUICKLY.
YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PHOTOS.
THE BIG CABINET IS THE SWITCHGEAR THAT'S NOW INSTALLED AND GREEN TAGGED PG AND E WAS ON SITE YESTERDAY AND TODAY INSTALLING THEIR TRANSFORMERS.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED, ENERGIZED AND READY TO GO BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, BY THE END OF DECEMBER, 2025.
UH, WE ARE, AS PEOPLE PROBABLY HEARD TEMPORARILY, UTILIZING SOME OF THE SPACE AT THE END OF OUR NEAR, NEAR THE DOG PARK AREA.
EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT A CITY FACILITY, THAT DOG PARK, WE'RE CURRENTLY LOSING HALF OF THAT SPACE OUT OF NECESSITY FOR BUS OVERFLOW PARKING SINCE OUR BUSES CAN'T FIT IN THE YARD DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE'LL BRING THE BUSES BACK IN THE YARD AND OPEN THAT SPACE BACK UP.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE CLOSER TO THAT PROJECT ROLLOUT, WE'RE HOPING TO DO AN EVENT, A RIBBON CUTTING TYPE EVENT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE NOW, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT MID-JANUARY, SO STAY TUNED.
AS DETAILS BECOME CLEAR, WE WILL, UH, SEND THAT DATE WAY IN ADVANCE AS A SAVE THE DATE TO GET ON YOUR CALENDARS.
THE MASCOTS PROGRAM CONTINUES TO MOVE ALONG.
THAT'S OF COURSE THE MARIN SONOMA COORDINATED TRANSIT SERVICE PLAN.
SO WE'RE HITTING THE FINAL STAGES OF MASCOTS.
THE LAST REMAINING PIECES ARE THE FINAL ADOPTION OF IT BY THE GOLDEN GATE BOARD, WHICH IS SLATED TO OCCUR IN DECEMBER, ALONG WITH THE MARIN TRANSIT BOARD IN LATE DECEMBER AS WELL.
ALL THE OTHER ENTITIES HAVE GIVEN THEIR EITHER FORMAL OR TACIT APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.
THERE ARE TWO REMAINING PIECES THAT THE, UH, TRANSIT AGENCIES HAVE BEEN IRONING OUT OVER THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, ONE OF WHICH IS REGIONAL PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
OF COURSE, IN THE PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG SHIFTS IN WHO'S PROVIDING SERVICE ALONG THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR.
A LOT OF THE SERVICE SHIFTS AWAY FROM GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND ROUTE 1 0 1 AND THE OTHER ROUTES THEY PROVIDE WHILE INCREASING SMART SERVICE, FILLING IN THE SERVICE GAPS THAT THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, EXPANDING THEIR SERVICE HOURS FURTHER INTO THE NIGHT AS SMARTS REALLY BECOME THE PREDOMINANT REGIONAL TRANSIT SERVICE IN THE CORRIDOR SERVING BOTH COUNTIES.
AND SO ONE PIECE THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD'VE RESULTED FROM THE CHANGE, IF YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS OF FTA SERVICE, ANYTIME YOU HAVE REGULAR BUS SERVICE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMPLIMENTARY A DA PARATRANSIT SERVICE WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE WITH GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT REDUCING THEIR SERVICE.
THERE WAS THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE IN THE CORRIDOR SINCE NO OTHER ONE TRANSIT AGENCY WOULD BE PROVIDING TRANSIT SERVICE THAT TRIGGERS THAT PARATRANSIT REQUIREMENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DAY.
THE GROUP REALIZED THAT THAT JUST WASN'T VERY REASONABLE AND, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE ALL BANDED TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH A WAY WHERE WE WOULD CONTINUE PROVIDING THAT PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
ALTHOUGH THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A COST TO DO SO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHLY IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE TO KEEP THAT SERVICE GOING.
AND SO THAT SERVICE WOULD CONTINUE, MEANING THAT IF YOU'RE RIDING PARATRANSIT ANYWHERE IN THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA, ANYWHERE IN THE SERVICE AREAS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH RIDING THAT AND TRANSFERRING IF YOU NEED TO OTHER PARTS.
SO THAT WAS KINDA THE FIRST REMAINING ITEM.
THE SECOND WAS LATE NIGHT SERVICE.
UM, AS THE CURRENTLY PLAN IS CURRENTLY LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, SMART SERVICE WOULD RUN UNTIL ABOUT 11:00 PM OR SO, BUT GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT CURRENTLY RUNS UNTIL ONE OR 2:00 AM WITH THEIR SERVICE, ALBEIT WITH FAIRLY LIMITED SPARSE TRIPS.
AND SO THE AGENCIES ARE LOOKING TO IDENTIFY A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD TO WHERE
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ANYONE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE TRIPS KIND OF IN THE RED EYE HOURS, WOULD HAVE A PERIOD OF ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS TO TRANSITION OVER TO OTHER RESOURCES AVAILABLE.AND SO THIS TRANSITIONAL SERVICE WOULD RUN UNTIL JUNE, 2026 DURING WHICH ONE ADDITIONAL LATE NIGHT TRIP WOULD BE PROVIDED.
AND SO THE AGENCIES ARE CURRENTLY FIGURING OUT THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHEN THAT TRIP RUNS, LIKE AROUND 11, 11:30 PM APPROXIMATELY LIKELY FROM NOVATO TO SANTA ROSA AND WHO'S GONNA OPERATE IT.
SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE TWO LAST REMAINING PIECES THAT I THINK ARE NECESSARY TO GET IT OVER THE FINISH LINE.
SO IF ALL GOES, UH, WELL, AND THE PLANS FORMALLY ADOPTED, THE ROLLOUT STARTS IN APRIL, SO THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE COULD EXPECT TO SEE CHANGES LIKE TO THE SMART SCHEDULE, THOSE NEW TRIPS COMING INTO PLAY, ET CETERA.
AND YOU'VE HEARD US TALK SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT KIND OF THE MONETARY IMPACTS OF THAT SHIFT FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT AND THE POSITIVE FISCAL BENEFIT OF THAT, PUTTING MORE MONEY IN OUR OFFERS.
UH, WE ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR NEXT FIXED ROUTE BUS PURCHASE.
SO AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST FOUR ELECTRIC BUSES ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS AGO.
WE'RE READY TO PUT THOSE INTO OPERATION IN DECEMBER, IS THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ONCE WE CAN CHARGE THEM IN A FACILITY.
AND THEN OUR FIVE ELECTRIC PARATRANSIT VEHICLES, OUR PURCHASE ORDER WAS JUST APPROVED TODAY, SO WE SHOULD RECEIVE THOSE IN ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
OUR NEXT WAVE OF VEHICLES WOULD BE FOUR FIXED ROUTE BUSES, AND WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO TAC AND COUNCIL BETWEEN OCTOBER TO DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE ON THE FEDERAL SIDE WITH GRANTS AND A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THAT'S BEEN IN THE ERA RECENTLY.
AND SO WHEREAS IN THE PAST, THE AWARDING OF A FEDERAL GRANT WITHOUT HAVING THE FEDERAL CONTRACTS WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO CERTAINTY AND WE WOULD'VE GENERALLY PROCEEDED WITH PROJECTS BASED ON THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS WE CAN.
SO UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULLY SIGNED FEDERAL CONTRACT FOR THE PORTION OF FUNDING ON THE PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE FEDERALLY FUNDED FOR THOSE BUSES, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS PRUDENT TO PROCEED WITH BUYING THE BUSES.
SO THE NET RESULT IS THAT PUSHED IT BACK A FEW MONTHS.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY HOPING TO HAVE THAT ITEM TO YOU.
AND THEN, UH, COUNSEL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH, I WOULD SAY.
KAMI, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR ANYTHING I MISSED IN THE PROCESS? YEAH, JUST NOTING THAT THE, THE FEDERAL PORTION THAT HE'S SPEAKING OF, THEY ARE FORMULA FUNDS.
UM, BUT THOSE APPROPRIATIONS, THEY GO TO CONGRESS EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND AS WE JUST EXPERIENCED A SHUTDOWN, UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPROPRIATIONS GO BACK IN IN JANUARY, POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE ANOTHER SHUTDOWN.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND WHY WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR TIMELINE.
AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING MAKES UP FOR 80% OF OUR BUS PURCHASES GENERALLY.
IT'S REQUIRED TO AT LEAST 20% BE FROM OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE, THE MAIN FUNDING SOURCE FOR ELECTRIC BUS PURCHASES.
UH, OF COURSE LUMA ICE IS COMING BACK AND SO THAT'LL BE RUNNING AGAIN FOR THE SECOND YEAR THIS YEAR, RUNNING FROM DECEMBER 10TH TO JANUARY 6TH.
AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RIDE TRANSIT TO LUMA ICE.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM, ROUTE 11 THAT GOES RIGHT BY IN WASHINGTON, AND THEN LUMA GO RUNS BY THERE AS WELL.
WE'LL BE, UM, USING A TEMPORARY STOP RIGHT OUTSIDE THE SIDE GATES ON JEFFERSON STREETS THAT'LL GET PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE NEW LOCATION OF THE ICE RINK.
IF PEOPLE RECALL LAST YEAR, THE ICE RINK WAS RIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT OFF OF WASHINGTON, WHERE THE CHRISTMAS TREES USUALLY ARE BY THE JAVA HUT.
THIS YEAR IT'LL BE INSIDE THE FAIRGROUNDS IN THE LARGE EXHIBITION BUILDING.
AND SO THE STOP FOR LUMA GO CURRENTLY WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT A QUARTER MILE WALK FROM THE LIBRARY BY USING THIS TEMPORARY STOP.
SO THE SERVICE REMAINS THE SAME AS IT DOES CURRENTLY NOW, NO OTHER CHANGES TO SERVICE HOURS, ET CETERA, BUT PEOPLE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER WHEN LUMA ICE IS, UH, RUNNING.
AND THEN FOR UPCOMING MEETINGS, THE NEXT MEETING, REGULAR MEETING OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS ON DECEMBER 3RD.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? UH, DECEMBER 16TH, EXCUSE ME.
SO WE'LL OF COURSE PICK UP OUR DISCUSSION THEN ON THE SERVICE ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT I ALSO WANNA NI NOTE A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING AS A JOINT MEETING IN CONJUNCTION WITH TAC AND PAC, THE PEDESTRIAN ADVI PEDESTRIAN BIKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WILL BE HELD HERE IN COUNCIL ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3RD, STARTING AT 6:30 PM AND THAT'S A TOPICAL DISCUSSION ON THE UPCOMING LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR STUDY.
THAT'S A STUDY THAT THE CITY PETALUMA IS DOING IN CONJUNCTION WITH S-C-T-C-A AND CALTRANS LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THAT CORRIDOR, WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS WE WANNA SEE, WHAT THE LAYOUT OF IT IS.
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VERY MUCH ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF TAC AND THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND THAT MEETING AND ANTICIPATE A LIVELY DISCUSSION AS WELL.AND SO THAT COMPLETES THE MANAGER REPORT.
UM, SO THE, WOULD THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MANAGER'S REPORT? FRANK? YEAH, YEAH.
NOT SPECIFICALLY, UM, ON WHAT YOU JUST GAVE, BUT I I JUST REMEMBERED THAT IN THE LAST TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, THERE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WHO HAS, UM, WHO LIVES IN THE LITTLE WOODS MOBILE HOME PARK.
UH, HAVE YOU GOTTEN WIND OF THAT? YES, I HAVE.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR REGULAR RIDERS NAMED CATHERINE BROWSKI.
AND UM, SO ON THE WEEKEND WITH, I GUESS IT'S ROUTE 24, UH, THAT DOESN'T TRAVEL ON LAKEVILLE ON THE WEEKEND, THERE'S NO WEEKEND SERVICE.
UM, AND SO THE QUESTION CAME UP, IS THERE A WAY FOR ON THE WEEKEND, UH, FOR SERVICE TO EXTEND INTO OVER INTO THAT AREA? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON YOUR RADAR.
YEAH, SO WE TALK REGULARLY WITH CATHERINE, BUT WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO HER AGAIN TO DISCUSS THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THERE IS NOT ROUTE 24 SERVICE THAT GOES BY THERE ON THE WEEKEND.
THE ALTERNATIVES ARE, UM, GOING UP TO SOUTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD IN TICKING ROUTE THREE, WHICH DOES RUN, AND THAT CONNECTS TO ROUTES TWO AND 11.
AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN A HALF MILE WALK FROM THE LITTLE WOODS MOBILE HOME PARK.
AND THEN LUGO DOES RUN ON WEEKENDS AND THAT STOPS A LITTLE OVER A THIRD OF A MILE AWAY FROM THERE.
SO AS OF NOW, THOSE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES SINCE ROUTE 24 DOESN'T RUN.
BUT I THINK THAT'LL BE A GREAT TYPE OF ITEM TO DISCUSS AT THIS DECEMBER 3RD MEETING.
AND WHEN I REACH OUT TO CATHERINE, I'LL LET HER KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED ON THAT NIGHT SO SHE CAN HOPEFULLY COME AND PROVIDE MORE COMMENTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE OF HER COMMENT WAS A POTENTIAL BUS STOP AND THAT SOMETHING STAFF IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT, AT THE BUS STOP SHE FREQUENTS, WHICH IS ON SOUTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD IN BAYWOOD HEADING NORTHBOUND.
SO STAFF'S CURRENTLY RESEARCHING OPTIONS TO PUT A BENCH IN PLACE AT THAT STOP AS SOON AS WE CAN.
I HAD A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
YOU'D MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, THAT THE LATE NIGHT BUSES WOULD END AND SMART WOULD KIND OF PICK THAT UP, BUT IT DIDN'T GO AS LATE, BUT THERE WAS A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD.
UM, SO THAT JUST MEANS LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE TAKING THE LATE NIGHT BUS? THEY'VE GOT A FEW MI MONTHS TO FIND ANOTHER OPTION OR WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH THE, THROUGH JUNE, 2026.
AND SO OVER THAT PERIOD WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT A BIT LONGER SO PEOPLE CAN DO THINGS LIKE IF THEY NEED CHANGES THEIR WORK SCHEDULE, LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS LIKE VAN POOLS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
BEFORE THAT SERVICE GOES AWAY, THE AGENCIES LOOKED AT THE RIDERSHIP AND EVEN TALKED TO THE SPECIFIC RIDERS ON THOSE SERVICES.
THE LAST TWO GOLDEN GATE BUSES THAT ARE RUNNING EACH HAVE LESS THAN SIX PEOPLE ON THEM.
SO REALLY FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, KIND OF THE COST SIDE OF THINGS, THE AGENCIES JUST, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK FINANCIALLY, GIVEN THE TRADE OFFS YOU'RE DOING IN THE CURRENT BUDGETARY SITUATION OF KEEPING THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO DO POTENTIALLY REDUCTIONS ELSEWHERE.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM, FIXED ROUTE BUS PURCHASING.
DOES THE DELAY, UM, IMPACT OUR ELECTRIFICATION TIMELINE? I WOULD SAY GENERALLY NO.
THOSE PARTICULAR BUSES WILL BE DELAYED BY TWO OR THREE MONTHS, BUT THE CAPITAL PROJECT ISN'T IMPACTED.
THE OVERALL GOAL OF TRYING TO BE ZERO EMISSION BY 2030 ISN'T IMPACTED NO OTHER THAN A COUPLE MONTHS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUSES.
AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FEDERAL AGENCY TO APPROVE OUR CONTRACT.
AND IS THERE ANY MECHANISM WHERE YOU CAN TRACK ITS PROCESS THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS? UNFORTUNATELY, NO.
THERE'S NOWHERE YOU CAN GO ONLINE.
IT'S MORE KIND OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER AGENCIES, TALKING WITH OUR LOCAL FTA OFFICES, KEEPING ABREAST OF EMAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING TANGIBLE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND GET A SPECIFIC DATE THAT'LL TELL YOU WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THANK YOU NOTICE.
AND BASED ON THAT, ARE YOU FEELING CONFIDENT THAT TWO MONTHS IS OUR LEAD TIME? UM, YES, ISH.
DEPENDS ON HOW I, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE NEXT STEPS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THINGS.
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THESE APPROPRIATIONS, LIKE THEY ARE, UM, IT'S CONGRESS THAT APPROVES 'EM, SO IT'S REALLY MORE RELATED TO CONGRESS, BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.BUT GENERALLY THE TIMELINE IS IT, IT SHOULD BE COMING OUT SOON IS WHAT WE KEEP HEARING.
AND SO HOPING FOR THE BEST, BUT ALSO PREPARING FOR THE WORST.
WE ALSO IN THIS ROUND HAVE AN EXTRA GRANT, SO THAT'S SOME GOOD NEWS THERE.
WE HAVE, UM, 1.2 MILLION WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES GRANT, UM, WHICH WE ORIGINALLY DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE WERE PLANNING, UM, TO PURCHASE THESE BUSES.
SO IT'S A NICE ADDITION TO THAT.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE SOME LIKE BACKUP FUNDING SOURCES AND BECAUSE OUR PREVIOUS BUSES CAME IN UNDER BUDGET, WE'RE ABLE TO REAPPROPRIATE ONE OF OUR ALLOCATIONS TOWARDS THIS ROUND.
SO WE DO HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, THERE'S, I I HAVE SOME HOPE THAT IF, EVEN IF APPROPRIATIONS COME IN LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED, WE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WIGGLE ROOM BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ROUND WAS, UM, COMING IN MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN WE ANTICIPATED HISTORICALLY.
THE FUNDING WOULD'VE BEEN APPROPRIATED BY NOW OR RIGHT AROUND NOW.
BUT OF COURSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT AND THEN YOU ADD IN THE KIND OF LONGEST DELAY EVER FOR THE GOVERNMENTS AND IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MUCH TYING THAT ADDS TO THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE, BUT NOT VERY STRONG CONFIDENCE FOR SURE.
AND SO THE BACKUP PLAN IS TO JUST KEEP RUNNING THE BUSES THAT WE HAVE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THERE IS FEDERAL FUNDING AVAILABLE CURRENTLY? YEAH.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS EXTEND AND KEEP OPERATING THE CURRENT BUSES.
IF WE HEAR THAT, WE ANTICIPATE THERE'S GONNA BE EXTENSIVE DELAYS OR MINOR MAJOR REDUCTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S UNANTICIPATED WITH THE FUNDS.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OTHER POTENTIAL CHANGES.
BUT YEAH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS CHANGE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT.
UH, WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET NEW BUSES, IT'S USUALLY A ONE FOR ONE TYPE SCENARIO.
SO ONCE YOU GET THE NEW BUSES IN AND THEY'RE OPERATING AND THEY'RE UP TO SPEED, YOU'RE RETIRING THE OLDER BUSES.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKELY DO UNDER THIS SCENARIO IS FOR THE FOUR ELECTRIC ONES WE RECEIVED RECENTLY, THE BUSES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REPLACED FAIRLY IN SHORT ORDER AFTER THAT, WE'LL PROBABLY KEEP THOSE RUNNING A FEW MORE MONTHS PAST THAT PERIOD.
SO WE HAVE A BIT MORE OF A SPARE RATIO DUE TO THAT KIND OF DELAY.
SO WE HAVE MORE COVERAGE ON THE FLEET SIDE FOR THOSE TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
SO, UM, OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6 28.