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PROGRESS.[CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION FOR THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11TH, 2025.UH, CLERK WILL WE PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? BAKER PRESENT.
HE'S COMING IN RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
THORS ABSENT AND SHREDS? SURE.
AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING PUBLIC CO DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES.
TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ANYTHING EMAILED IN? NOPE.
NOW WE'RE, UH, NOW WE'RE CLOSING, UH, THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ONTO OUR AGENDA.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING? ALRIGHT, DON'T SPEAK ALL, ALL AT ONCE.
LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO CHANGES.
I'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES WITHOUT ANY CHANGES AS PRESENTED.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.UH, OUR FIRST ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF THE FREQUENCY AND FOCUS OF FUTURE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETINGS.
AND I'D LIKE THE, UH, STAFF TO PRESENT.
CHAIR GARDY, OUR VICE CHAIR GARDY.
UM, UM, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION FROM LAST MONTH, UM, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, THE FOCUS AND THE FREQUENCY OF MEETINGS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL OPTIONS AT THAT LAST DISCUSSION, AND, UH, STAFF SAID THEY WOULD, WOULD RETURN WITH SOME KIND OF THOUGHTS AND ANALYSIS ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THOSE, OF, OF THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND THOSE ESSENTIALLY BOIL DOWN TO, UH, THOSE THREE OPTIONS ARE KEEPING THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION STATUS QUO.
SO MEETING MONTHLY, UM, AND THEN CONTINUE ON.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE INCEPTION.
THERE WAS A LOT, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, HAVING A DIFFERENT CADENCE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
SO THERE WOULD BE, THE OPTION TWO WOULD BE HAVING MEETINGS, MAYBE BACK TO BACK FOR TWO MONTHS, AND THEN HAVING A PAUSE TO DO THE WORK, AND THEN MEETING AGAIN LATER IN THE YEAR, BACK TO BACK, HAVING ANOTHER PAUSE.
AND THEN, UM, MEETING TWO OTHER TIMES.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, SIX MEETINGS A YEAR, UM, WITH SOME TIME IN BETWEEN TO GO OUT AND DO THE WORK.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THE POLICY WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND THAT KIND OF BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT IS WHAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION REALLY WAS, IS REALLY GOOD AT, IS THE POLICY PIECE OF THINGS.
UM, AND WE'VE GOTTEN THE BLUEPRINT DONE.
WE KNOW WHAT OUR MARCHING ORDERS ARE, AND SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BEST, UM, HOW DO WE TAKE BEST ADVANTAGE OF THE EXPERTISE THAT YOU BRING HERE AND GETTING THE BLUEPRINT ACTIONS DONE, UM, AND MAKING YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR, YOUR TIME IS BEING, UH, RESPECTED BY, BY COMING OUT HERE.
SO, UM, SO THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT DIFFERENT CADENCE OF THE MEETING AND, AND FEWER OF THEM WITH MORE TIME TO BE, UM, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND MEETING WITH PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND HELPING THEM, UM, ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE BLUEPRINT.
AND THEN OPTION THREE WOULD BE, UH, A REFORMATION OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING A COUNCIL APPOINTED BROWN ACT BODY, UM, GROUP, UH, IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED IF THIS IS OF INTEREST TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, TO DISSOLVE THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, HAVE IT AS STAFF APPOINTED GROUP AND SUPPORTED BY STAFF.
UM, THE COMMISSION COULD MEET, UM, WHEN AS NEEDED, UM, SIMILAR TO HOW THE WORKING GROUPS ARE, ARE GOING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, STAFF APPOINTED AND STAFF SUPPORTED, BUT
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LESS PROCESS FOCUSED.UM, SO THERE'D BE NO BROWN ACT WOULD STILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE, UM, DIFFERENT PROCESS THAT THAT GOES WITH WITH A BODY LIKE THIS.
AND A, A SIMILAR, UM, EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT'S WORKING IS THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION, UM, SPECIFIC PLAN GROUP.
SO THERE'S A GROUP THAT WAS RECENTLY, UM, FORMED TO GIVE ADVICE ABOUT THE AREA AROUND, UM, THE NORTH SMART STATION AND, UM, HOW THAT AREA GET GETS ACTIVATED.
AGAIN, THAT'S A STAFF, UM, SUPPORTED.
AND, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THERE ARE APPOINTED BY STAFF.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BASIS FOR COMPARISON FOR THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT PROS AND CONS IN THE STAFF REPORT TO IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN OUR AUDIENCE, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT.
UM, SO OPTION ONE DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
UM, UNLESS WE GET MORE CREATIVE ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE DO IN THE MEETINGS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AD HOCS, WE WE'RE GETTING MORE PARTICIPATION DURING THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH POTENTIALLY WITH THE, UH, REDUCED MEETINGS, UM, FOLKS MAY, IF THERE'S LIKE A, A, A REAL, A HIGHER FOCUS ON, UM, TOPICS THAT BRING PEOPLE IN HERE, THAT'S A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.
LIKE PRESENTATIONS, WORKSHOPS, THINGS THAT, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE OF OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE, WHERE YOU COULD REALLY FOCUS THOSE, UM, EVENTS TO THINGS THAT WE THINK WOULD, WOULD BRING THAT PARTICIPATION.
UM, WITH OPTION THREE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF BEING THERE IN THE COMMUNITY, POTENTIALLY, UM, MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, AND THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AS IT IS, UM, THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION SEPARATE LIKE THIS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SUPER CONDUCIVE TO THAT WORKSHOP TYPE FORMAT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH.
UM, JUST TO THE NATURE OF, OF THE MEETINGS.
SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO MORE OF THE, THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS, BUT REALLY, UM, WE DON'T AS STAFF OFFER A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
THIS IS JUST GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION, WHATEVER OPTION IS CHOSEN.
UM, I THINK THAT THE REQUEST WHEN, WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR A LITTLE WHILE AGO, IS THERE ARE A UNIVERSE, THERE'S INFINITE OPTIONS OUT THERE OF HOW THIS COULD GO.
UM, WE RECOMMEND TRY TO STAY REALLY CLOSE TO THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE PRESENTED HERE.
UM, OTHERWISE WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME MEETING ON THIS TOPIC, BE NICE TO WRAP THIS UP AND NOT HAVE THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS, UH, ABOUT THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS HOPEFULLY THERE'S A, UM, ONE OF THESE THREE OPTIONS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.
SO WITH THAT, THAT ENDS MY, MY PORTION OF THE TALKING.
I'M HERE TO LISTEN AND, AND HELP AS I CAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE CAN WRAP THIS UP TO, AT THIS MEETING, THE, THIS, UH, QUESTION AROUND CADENCE AND HOW WE ARE FORMED AS A BODY.
I THINK THAT WE'VE, HOPEFULLY WE'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT THE, THE OPTIONS AS PRESENTED GIVE US, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COME TO SOME KIND OF CONCLUSION HERE.
UH, SO THAT WE CAN THEN NOW MOVE ON WITH THE ACTUAL WORK OF IMPLEMENTING THE BLUEPRINT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THINGS UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR YOUR INPUT.
UH, AND, AND THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN MYSELF.
SO PLEASE, UH, ANYONE ELSE? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO START? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SMART STATION SPECIFIC PLAN TYPE MEETING AND THE GPAC? YES.
UM, THE GPAC WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED AS A COUNCIL.
THEY SELECTED THE, THE MEMBERSHIP AND THEN IT, IT CHANGED FURTHER ON.
SO THAT'S NOT A GREAT EXAMPLE.
LIKE IN, IN HOW THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES, IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR, BUT WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT IT BE A COUNCIL APPOINTED BODY BECAUSE THAT GETS YOU INTO BROWN ACT TERRITORY.
WHEREAS WITH THE, UM, THIS NORTH STATION, UH, GROUP THAT WAS DE THE DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO FORM THAT GROUP WAS FROM COUNCIL TO STAFF TO APPOINT THE MEMBERS ON THERE.
AND THAT IS A CLEANER WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO BROWN ACT TERRITORY.
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I MEAN, BUT THE GPAC DOES MAKE ADVICE AND SORT OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMMIN, I GUESS THE SAME VEIN AS THE OTHER GROUP? CORRECT.
AND, AND WE WOULD SEE IT THE SAME WAY.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT IF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WASN'T APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, THAT THERE'S SOME LESS LEGITIMACY TO IT.
AS STAFF, I CAN SAY THAT'S NOT HOW WE SEE IT AT ALL.
AND I THINK COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS WOULD, WOULD BACK ME ON THIS, THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T SEE PARTICIPATION FROM GROUPS THAT AREN'T APPOINTED BY THEM AS ANY LESS LEGITIMATE, UM, IN THE FORM OF FEEDBACK THAT THEY PROVIDE AND ADVICE THAT THEY GIVE TO THE COUNCIL THAN, THAN A COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION.
BUT THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS STAFF APPOINTED VERSUS COUNCIL APPOINTED, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND THEN WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THIS, BUT REMOTE PARTICIPATION, WHAT ARE THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION OPTIONS? SO, REMOTE PARTICIPATION WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR OPTION THREE.
UM, BUT FOR THE COMMISSION AS IT IS CURRENTLY, AND OPTION TWO, IF IT WERE TO MEET LESS FREQUENCY, REMOTE PARTICIPATION IS NOT AN OPTION.
IS THAT, UM, IS THERE ANY LATITUDE TO SORT OF REVISIT THAT? I KNOW DIFFERENT BROWN ACT BODIES DO HAVE SORT OF, AT LEAST SOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
I CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SONOMA CLEAN POWER MM-HMM
WHERE AT LEAST THE, UM, THEY READ THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE EMAILED IN REAL TIME.
SO IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE ON ZOOM AND YOU'RE LIKE, I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS, YOU CAN EMAIL SOMEONE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THEN THE PERSON READS THE COMMENT AND THAT'S, THEY DO GET SOME PARTICIPATION THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S WITHIN WHATEVER WEIRD RULES THERE ARE, WHICH I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND ARE EVER CHANGING.
BUT, UM, THAT I GUESS TO ME IS THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRITERIA FOR MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS THAT IF WE ARE STRIVING FOR MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE, UM, REMOTE.
SO FOR, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S AB OR SB 7 0 7, IT'S A NEW STATE LAW, UM, THAT WILL REQUIRE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS TO HAVE A HYBRID FORMAT.
AND THAT WILL, I BELIEVE, WILL TAKE PLACE IN JULY 1ST.
THAT, THAT CITIES OF A CERTAIN SIZE OR WITHIN COUNTIES OF A CERTAIN SIZE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
UM, THAT DOES NOT, THAT REQUIREMENT DOES NOT EXTEND TO, UM, SUBORDINATE BODIES LIKE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS.
AND ARE WE PREVENTED FROM THAT? OR WE'RE JUST, DO WE ARE NO, WE ARE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE OF THE PAST HISTORY WITH COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MEAN ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT'S IN THERE TO, UM, ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD BAD EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST WITH ZOOM BOMBING AND YEAH.
PROFANITY AND, AND JUST HATEFUL COMMENTS THAT WERE DONE.
SO WE, THAT'S A LOT TO PUT ON A SINGLE PERSON AS A CLERK WHO'S TRYING TO BE TAKING THE MINUTES AND DOING EVERY, YOU KNOW, DOING PRESENTATIONS.
SO THERE'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES, ESPECIALLY DURING COUNCIL ME MEETINGS.
BUT, SO I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IT IN THAT FORMAT, BUT TO HAVE ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER HERE DURING, UM, COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION MEETINGS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS STAFF.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT EITHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE LESS IS MORE, BUT LIKE PRE-REGISTRATION VERIFICATION OF LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.
YOU CAN'T PUT ANY ROADBLOCKS BETWEEN PEOPLE, UM, FOR A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS, EVEN FOR REMOTE PARTICIPATION COMMENTS.
UH, IT'S KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING, I GUESS.
UM, MAYBE I'LL TABLE THAT ONE.
IS THERE, UM, SOME RESEARCH I COULD DO ON THAT TOPIC? I MEAN, I SEE THIS HAPPENING ELSEWHERE IN MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS THAN WHAT I AM HEARING AS KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING.
AND SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
I, I RECOGNIZE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS DECISION TONIGHT.
UM, I, I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION THAT IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNIFORM CITYWIDE.
AND SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DECIDE TONIGHT.
UM, WE, WE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT FOR THIS COMMISSION VERSUS EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CITYWIDE POLICY.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY INTEREST FROM
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STAFF, STAFF WIDE IN, IN HAVING DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES IN THAT REGARD.SO THAT'S, SO, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD THINK MOST COMMISSIONS WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE REMOTE PARTICIPATION DONE IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY.
AND, AND IT'S, AND THE, AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL PART OF IT IS SORT OF DEFAULTS TO EXTRA STAFF TIME AND EFFORT, WHICH NO ONE WANTS ALSO, BUT LIKE THE MIDDLE GROUND, WHICH AGAIN, I AM SEEING ELSEWHERE IN OUR AREA, IS WHAT I'M NOT HEARING ABOUT AND NOT READING ABOUT AS AN OPTION.
AND SO I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE FULL SUITE OF OPTIONS, AT LEAST BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST TIME.
A LOT OF IT WAS ABOUT THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
AND I DON'T, I'M NOT GETTING THAT HERE.
SO I WILL TABLE THIS, BUT, UM, THAT IS WHERE I'M AT ON THAT POINT.
I THINK, UH, UH, PATRICK WAS, UH, SAYING THAT ESSENTIALLY, UH, POLICIES NOW SET.
WE'VE GOT SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ALREADY BEING WORKED ON AND PROCESSED.
SO SHIFT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO AT THIS POINT, UH, ONCE, NOW THAT THAT IS DONE, HOW MUCH ARE WE WILLING TO SHIFT IN, IN OUR PURPOSE? SO IT'S GONNA NEED, UM, TO SUPPORT THE ACTIONS, WHETHER IT BE HELPING TO DO RESEARCH, UH, FOR, SO IF STAFF COULD USE SOME EXTRA HELP HOURS TO RESEARCH SOMETHING LIKE I JUST DID RESEARCH, LIKE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, UM, FOR FUN AND ALSO FOR SOMETHING ELSE, FOR ANOTHER EVENT.
SO, UM, AND BRINGING INFORMATION TO STAFF THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO.
UH, THERE'S A ADVOCACY OF GOING OUT, LET'S SAY, UH, SUPPORTING THE BICYCLE COMMUNITY, UM, AND PAC FOR ALL FITS WHAT'S DOING, SUPPORTING THE, UM, THE ROAD CONSTRUCTIONS, UM, AND ENTERING IN, THERE'S A SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE NORTH, UH, UH, SMART SAYING STATION SPECIFIC PLAN HAS A WORK GROUP COMING TOGETHER.
AND HOW MUCH TO GET THAT INTO CLIMATE ACTIONS INTO THAT GROUP.
SO PARTICIPATION THERE AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK HERE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A SHIFT FROM, UH, POLICY INTO IMPLEMENTATION NOW.
AND IMPLEMENTATION MEANS WE HAVE TO GET MORE ACTIVE OURSELVES IN, IN TAKING MORE ACTIONS RATHER THAN JUST GIVING ADVICE.
IT'S NO LONGER ABOUT GIVING ADVICE NOW IT'S ABOUT SUPPORTING THE ACTIONS THAT ARE STARTING TO HAPPEN.
'CAUSE, UM, IF WITHOUT THAT, THEN YOU WE'RE, WE'LL NEVER GET THERE.
SO IT'S UP TO THIS GROUP, HOW MUCH EFFORT DO YOU WANNA PUT IN OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS TO, UH, PUSH THINGS FORWARD, GO TO ATTEND OTHER PLACES, DO THE RESEARCH, UM, AND IF STAFF NEEDS HELP TO BE, SAY, HEY, WE'RE, I'M READY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, I'LL COME IN AND HELP YOU IN THE OFFICE, WHATEVER TO DO THAT.
OR, OR, CALL ME UP AND I'LL DO SOMETHING.
I'LL, I'LL ATTEND A MEETING REPORT BACK TO YOU.
SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE PUBLIC INFORMED, EDUCATED, AND THEN COMING TO COUNCIL MEETING AND SAYING, HEY, YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS DECISION.
AND FROM CLIMATE CHANGE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
UH, VERSUS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A, A YIMBY VERSUS NIMBY BATTLE OVER THE GENERAL PLAN COMING UP.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE MORE YIMBY SUPPORT, UH, FOR, FOR ACTIONS THAT WE ARE TAKING.
SO, UM, IT COMES TO, UH, WHAT THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE.
AND THEN WORKING AS A GROUP TO SUPPORT THAT AND SUPPORT THE COUNCIL, SUPPORT THE STAFF AND SUPPORT THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, COME MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE TEAM HERE AS, 'CAUSE IT WAS JUST SETTING POLICY, THE ORIGINAL REPORT.
IF WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE, WE, CAN WE, 'CAUSE THE COST HERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE STAFF MEMBERS, MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR, THREE HOURS.
THAT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING OF STAFF TIME AND CITY MONEY JUST TO MEET HERE.
SO IS IT WORTH A THOUSAND DOLLARS? I DON'T THINK SO RIGHT NOW.
OF THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN YEAH.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT MAYBE THE, THE THIRD WHERE WE ARE A BODY THAT'S MORE ALIKE THAN NORTH PILLOW? I THINK IT'S STILL, UM, WE, I THINK MEETING SIX TIMES A YEAR IS PROBABLY PLENTY VERSUS 12 TIMES A YEAR.
UM, MAYBE EVEN JUST FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR MIGHT BE NICE.
BUT TO ACTUALLY HAVE ASSIGNMENTS BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ON, DEVELOP AND CREATE ASSIGNMENTS IN BETWEEN, SAY, I'M GOING TO TAKE ON THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
I'M GONNA ATTEND THESE TYPES OF WORK GROUPS OR THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO WRITE LETTERS ON THIS TOPIC.
I'M GONNA TAKE OVER THIS TOPIC, WHETHER IT BE VEHICLES OR BICYCLING OR WHATEVER, AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT AND DO THESE, GET THESE ACTIONS, AND I'LL TAKE PERSONAL ACTION TO SUPPORT, ADVOCATE, WRITE LETTERS, TALK TO PEOPLE, MOVE FORWARD, AND I'LL COME BACK HERE AND REPORT BACK IN.
DOES THAT MEAN, ARE YOU AN OPTION TWO GUY THEN? IS THERE? SO I'M LIKE MORE, I'M LOOKING MORE LIKE OPTION TWO, WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE ASSIGNMENTS.
IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO DO THAT WORK AT THIS POINT FORWARD.
I, I, I THINK THAT'S, AS YOU CLEARLY LAID
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OUT, TO ME, IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THAT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE NEED TO BE MORE, UH, KIND OF GETTING OUR HANDS DIRTY AND DOING THE IMPLEMENTATION.SO I AM LEANING TOWARDS OPTION TWO OR THREE.
UH, BUT I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF AT LEAST QUARTERLY MEETINGS.
AND, AND THEN THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UH, OFFICIAL VOTES THAT GO TO COUNCIL, UH, WHERE WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH, WITH THE HOMEWORK IN BETWEEN.
UH, PLEASE, UH, OPINE, ESPECIALLY YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY SWAN SONG, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR, YOUR FINAL RAH HERE.
SO WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO UPHOLD, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE BLUEPRINT AND KIND OF THE TIMELINES EMBEDDED IN IT.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ROLE AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR TO, TO DO AN ASSESSMENT, HAVE STAFF, DO AN ASSESSMENT, HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AROUND OUR PROGRESS, AND, UM, KIND OF SET PRIORITIES FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO I THINK THAT'S CLEARLY WOULD BE A COUPLE MEETINGS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I COULD SEE DOING SIX MEETINGS A YEAR WHERE YOU HAVE TWO IN A ROW, TWO MONTHS TO WORK, AND THEN YOU MEET AGAIN FOR, FOR TWO MONTHS.
SO I COULD SPELL THAT OUT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
OR I COULD SEE DOING IT WHERE YOU MEET TWO IN A ROW, TAKE FOUR MONTHS TO DO SOME WORK AND THEN MEET MID-YEAR.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST MEETING FOUR TIMES A YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW.
AND SO IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW MUCH TIME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO DO THE WORK AND REPORT OUT HOW MUCH, HOW MANY TIMES WE NEED TO MEET TO STAY CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, AND 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S ALREADY NEW EMERGING, UH, COLLABORATION HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, DEB'S BEEN ORGANIZING THESE WORKING GROUPS AND THEY'RE, THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OPTION THREE IS ALREADY HAPPENING.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT BY TAKING APART THIS BODY AND DOING A WHOLE NOTHER ONE.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS BODY HAS SOME PRESTIGE AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WOULDN'T BE REPLACED BY OPTION NUMBER THREE.
SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD PROBABLY GO FOR THE SIX MEETINGS A YEAR WITH TWO MONTHS ON, TWO MONTHS OFF, TWO MONTHS ON, TWO MONTHS OFF.
SO BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE THE CADENCE YOU'D MEET, YOU KNOW, UH, 'CAUSE IT DOES TAKE US A COUPLE MEETINGS TO MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW? SO FOR EXAMPLE,
UH, YOU'D HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON THE YEAR TO DATE TARGETS.
YOU'D THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ANY DRAFT POLICY.
UH, YOU'D SET UP A DRAFT NEXT YEAR'S PRIORITIES.
UM, AND THEN YOU'D THEN THE SECOND MEETING, YOU'D FINALIZE ALL THOSE ACTIONS.
AND THEN YOU'D ALSO DECIDE, OKAY, WHAT ARE OUR NEXT WORKING GROUPS? YOU KNOW? AND SO YOU'D HAVE TO KIND OF DO THE WORK A LITTLE BIT BEFOREHAND WITH STAFF.
LIKE, WE'RE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINISHING THIS, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THAT.
THIS, THIS ONE'S GONNA CONTINUE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO CONSUMPTION YET.
WE'LL START A NEW ONE ON CONSUMPTION.
BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
SO, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD PROBABLY BE TO START WITH THE, UM, THE SIX MEETINGS A YEAR, TWO IN A ROW, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, THEN YOU'RE OFF, UH, LET'S SEE, WAIT, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER ON, MAKE DECISIONS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, THEN YOU'RE OFF JANUARY, FEBRUARY, THEN YOU MEET MARCH, APRIL, THEN YOU'RE OFF MAY, JUNE, WORKING, WORKING, WORKING,
UM, AND THEN YOU MEET AGAIN, UM, JULY, AUGUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN YOU'RE OFF SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, AND THEN BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
AND THERE'S A CLEAR AGENDA FOR EACH ONE.
AND THEN YOU REALLY POINT THE PUBLIC TO SHOW UP PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR MEETING, YOU KNOW, TO HEAR, UM, HOW WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ANY PRESENTATIONS THAT SHOW UP IN THE OTHER MEETINGS.
SO YOU'RE REALLY
UM, IT TURNS OUT I HAVE CONFLICTS ON THE SECOND TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH WITH, UM, THE MAYORS AND COUNCILS MEETINGS WITH, SO, UM, THE MAYORS JUST GET TOGETHER, YOU MEAN THURSDAYS? UH, UH, THURSDAY.
UM, SO ON SECOND TH THURSDAYS OF EACH MONTH.
SO THE MA THE MAYORS GET TOGETHER ALMOST EVERY MONTH.
UH, BUT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF ALL THE CITIES OF THE, OF THE COUNTY GET TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S EVERY SECOND OR THIRD MONTH.
SO IF WE COULD, SO IF I COULD FIT THAT SCHEDULE IN BETWEEN
ONE OF THE OFF MONTHS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE THAT I COULD, UH, BE ATTENDING BOTH.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE.
MAKE SURE THAT WE COORDINATE MY SCHEDULE WITH IT.
CAN CAN I ASK THE GROUP, UH, BROADLY? I, I MEAN, ONE THING THAT I'M TRYING TO CONSIDER IS THIS QUESTION AROUND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
I TRULY REALLY FEEL LIKE SOMETHING
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THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHRUBS MENTIONED IS LIKE, WE JUST NEED TO GO TO THEM.SO WE NEED TO GO TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS, AND NOT EXPECT TO DRAW PEOPLE IN SO MUCH.
UH, THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL FEELING.
I JUST, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO COMPEL PEOPLE TO, TO, IF WE WANT MEANINGFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY GREAT TO GO TO A, A, A PUBLIC MEETING AND SAY, HERE'S OUR, HERE'S OUR PERSPECTIVE AS A CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK OUR CITY REALLY GETS NEARLY ENOUGH CREDIT FOR, IS THE INSANE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN DONE AND ARE, AND ARE GEARING UP TO DO AND ARE DOING NOW.
SO, UH, I THINK IN THOSE OFF MONTHS, IN ADDITION TO THIS KIND OF WORKING GROUP HOMEWORK, WE ALSO ARE THE PUBLIC VOICES OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ACHIEVE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
UH, DOES HAVING THAT TWO MONTHS WINDOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN STILL DO IT WITHIN THE MONTH THAT YOU'RE HAVING THE MEETING TOO, BUT IN GENERAL, DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? IS THAT BECAUSE I'M HEARING SOME CONSENSUS AROUND A AT LEAST WE'VE GOT MAYBE TWO.
SO JUST AS A EXAMPLE, LIKE NEXT MONTH, JANUARY, I WILL BE, UM, GOING TO VILLAGE NETWORK, ASK ME TO DO A PRESENTATION AT THE LIBRARY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED AND EVERYTHING.
AND I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE HEAVILY ORIENTED TOWARD THE CLIMATE ACTIONS THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IN THE, WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN.
UH, IT WILL BE THE MAIN SOURCE.
SO I'LL BE REACHING OUT, DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO, BUT THERE'S STILL ROTARIES KIWANIS CLUBS.
UM, THERE IS OTHER GROUPS TO BE TALKED TO OR JUST GO MEET WITH THEM, THE LOW CN JUST START PARTICIPATING AND, AND THEN BRINGING, AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, LET'S PART START PARTNERING AND DOING THINGS WELL, AND, AND THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NEED US, NEED TO HEAR FROM US.
AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONS, OF COURSE.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO SHOW UP AT PBA C AND I TRY THE GPAC.
BUT I THINK THAT I, I, I DID SHOW UP LAST NIGHT, SO THAT GIVES US TIME TO DO THAT.
IF WE'RE NOT MEETING EVERY MONTH, WE HAVE TIME TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITMENT I THINK FOR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE THAT YOU'D BE GOING TO ONE PUBLIC MEETING A MONTH, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, UH, I'D SAY A QUARTER I THINK IS WELL, OR YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE NOT COMING HERE, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO, TO SOMEONE ELSE.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMISSION AND ARTICULATING WHAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE.
YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT EXACT NUMBER.
IN GENERAL, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
SO I THINK IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HEARING FROM STAFF TOO.
LIKE, THERE'S A TEAMWORK ASPECT.
LIKE IF WE DON'T MEET FREQUENTLY ENOUGH, THEN WE'RE NOT CONNECTED ENOUGH, YOU KNOW? UM, HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR DO WE NEED TO MEET TO BE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA OF THE WORKING GROUPS THOUGH.
AND, SORRY, I THINK COMMISSIONER EL CAMP HAD HAD, OH, I JUST GONNA SAY, I, I ALSO SUPPORT OPTION TWO, BUT I, I RECALL WASN'T THERE SOME REASON WHY WE NEEDED LIKE TO MEET IN JANUARY OR TO GET THINGS, UH, BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY DO THEIR BUDGET AND PLANNING.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE GOT DECEMBER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE CLOSING OUT THE YEAR.
THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THE PUBLIC'S NOT HERE IS BECAUSE POLICY HAS BEEN SET.
THERE'S NOTHING TO ARGUE OVER OR TO
JUST THERE'S NOT A PROJECT OR A DECISION BEING MADE, OR WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS UNLESS SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING.
SO, UM, SO, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE CONTROVERSIAL THINGS HERE.
WE'VE JUST BEEN KIND OF SPINNING WHEELS A LITTLE BIT.
SO TO GET THE ENGAGEMENT, WE HAVE TO EITHER CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES OURSELVES SO THAT THE PUBLIC DOES WANT TO SHOW UP TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, A CERTAIN PROJECT, WHATEVER.
OR I SAID WE HAVE TO GO TO THEM AND THEN REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
OR CHOREOGRAPHED DANCING OR CHOREOGRAPHED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FREE FREE BEER.
UH, I, I THINK OPTION TWO DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I THINK OPTION THREE WOULD ALSO BE GOOD, BUT I THINK WE NEED LIKE, SOME MEETINGS FOR MORE LIKE, JUST LIKE POLICY STUFF AND LIKE WORKING THROUGH THINGS.
SO I THINK OPTION TWO MAKES SENSE.
UH, COMMISSIONER PETERS, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I MEAN, THE FOOD WEAR ORDINANCE WAS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE THOSE, THE ANGRY MOB TO COME HERE,
AND WE SORT OF EITHER NEGLECTED TO OR DECLINED TO DO THAT.
SO I'LL JUST MAKE THAT OBSERVATION, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ROLLING OUT THOSE STICK TYPE POLICIES AS MUCH.
UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME AN AS MUCH OF THAT.
THAT WOULD BE MY ASPIRATION IS TO RETURN
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TO OPTION ONE.UH, CURRENTLY THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE HAVE DOES NOT NECESSITATE THAT.
AND I'M IN ALIGNMENT ON THIS OPTION TWO FOR MAYBE DIFFERENT REASONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT CAN GO TO ENOUGH MEETINGS THAT, LIKE HAVING THIS BE FREED OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THE SORT OF OBLIGATION BEHIND IT, BUT LIKE, I DON'T SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY GALVANIZING ANY ADDITIONAL PARTICIPATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WORK IN FRONT OF US TO BE FRANK, YOU KNOW, AND CONTROVERSIAL DECISIONS
YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP, I THINK WHERE WE ARE AT CURRENTLY IS OPTION TWO.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO GO FROM OPTION TWO, BACK TO OPTION ONE AND TO HAVE THESE PLACES BE FULL WITH IMPORTANT DECISION MAKING THAT WE ARE DOING.
UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF? IS THIS ALL ARBITRARY? CAN WE JUST IN A YEAR GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? OH MY GOSH, WE'RE PACKING, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE.
THE PEOPLE ARE STANDING IN THE BACK.
CAN WE, DO WE SWITCH BACK TO OPTION ONE? IS THAT YES.
SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT REALLY HURTS TO, TO SWITCH THE, THE ONE THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO UNDO WOULD BE OPTION THREE.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE A COUNCIL ACTION.
AND THEN YOU GOING BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE MADE A MISTAKE.
THEN THAT'S ANOTHER COUNCIL ACTION.
WE COULD GO BACK TO OPTION ONE AT ANY POINT.
LET, CAN I ASK ABOUT, UH, CC COUNCIL MEMBER SRI'S RAISED AN IMPORTANT POINT, WHICH WE WANNA BE REALLY MINDFUL OF, WHICH IS BURDEN ON STAFF IS, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DOES OPTION TWO RELIEVE YOU OF SOME BURDEN? IS IT, IS THERE ADDITIONAL BURDEN SOMEHOW THERE, RIGHT.
OR IS THERE SOMETHING WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S LIKE, WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING YOUR JOB HARDER? I IS THERE, YOU KNOW,
AND I'D, I'D LOOKED AT DEB TO KIND OF GIVE ME SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT SO WE'RE SUPPORTING THE WORKING GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A TAC CREATED WORK, BUT MANY OF YOU ARE ON, ON WORKING GROUPS.
UM, SO WE'RE DOING THAT EFFORT IN ADDITION TO THIS ONE.
SO THERE'S SOME DUPLICATION WHERE WE'RE SUPPORTING OTHER GROUPS KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THIS ALSO.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF THE MEMBERS ARE PARTICIPATING IN THOSE GROUPS AS WELL.
UM, BUT SETTING THAT ASIDE, UM, GO HAVING FEWER MEETINGS DEFINITELY MEANS A LOWER WORKLOAD ON STAFF.
UNLESS WE'RE JUST SAYING, OKAY, AT EVERY MEETING WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE THREE PRESENTATIONS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ANGRY MOB HERE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA FIRE PEOPLE UP AND GET 'EM INTO THE ROOM AND RIGHT.
AND YOU'RE STAYING TILL MIDNIGHT.
SO, SO, SO IF, IF IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW IT IS, OR MAYBE WE'RE, MAYBE THERE IS A FOCUS ON ALL THOSE MEETINGS TO HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING PRESENTATION AT EACH, EACH OF THOSE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO LINE IT UP.
UNLESS YOU'RE JUST LIKE, I VOLUNTEER TO TAKE JANUARY AND, AND, AND, UH, DAN VOLUNTEERS TO TAKE FEBRUARY AND, AND LINE UP SOMEBODY INTERESTING TO TALK TO, UNLESS IT'S SEPARATE OUT THAT, THAT WAY.
UM, THERE'S WAYS OF DIVIDING IT.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE I SAID WHEN WE STARTED THIS, IT'S FLEXIBLE AND IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT WORKING, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO ONE IF THAT'S, IF TWO IS WHERE, WHERE FOLKS ARE GOING TOWARD.
JUST CONFIRMING, I GUESS ONE FINAL DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THING I'D LIKE TO POSE.
OPTION THREE DOES GIVE US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AROUND BROWN ACT.
RIGHT? IT, IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE, IT'S LESS BURDEN ON STAFF AROUND NOTICING.
IT MEANS MORE FLEXIBILITY ABOUT WHO'S IN THE ROOM AND WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.
SO, DID WANNA RAISE THAT AS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT BEFORE WE, WE MAKE A DECISION.
IF I, I, I'M PERFECTLY FINE DEALING WITH THE BROWN ACT STUFF, BUT I DID WANNA RAISE THAT AS ONE FINAL CHANCE HERE FOR US TO PULL THE ESCAPE HATCH OR WHATEVER.
IT'S THE RIP THE CORD, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PALLET JACKS, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER THE ANALOGY IS.
SO, UH, I JUST WANNA GIVE US THAT OPTION BECAUSE IF WE ARE, IF WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE LIKE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO JUICE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT A LOT MORE FLEXIBLE AND EASIER.
AND, AND WE COULD BE AT LIKE THE LUCCHESE COMMUNITY CENTER, OR WE COULD GO TO A BAR OR WHATEVER IT IS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH NOTICING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I DID JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE AS, AS A POTENTIAL REASON TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE, IF, IF I COULD.
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I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY THAT THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE CHOICE.SO GIVEN, GIVEN THAT, I WOULD SAY DON'T, DON'T OPEN IF NOBODY, IF IT'S NOT LIKE UNANIMOUS RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU STILL WANT THINK ABOUT THAT IN A YEAR.
THAT'S ALWAYS REVISIT AT THAT POINT TOO.
NOT I'M READING THE, THE ROOM AND I'M NOT HEARING, HAVEN'T HEARD ALL YOU AHEAD
THAT'S WHAT MY WIFE SAYS ALL THE TIME.
I, SO FOR, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, AT LEAST AS SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS HERE, IS DOES THIS REQUIRE A VOTE? UH, NO.
I MEAN, NO, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD FANTASTIC.
WHAT IF, IF THAT IS INDEED THE CONSENSUS OR AT LEAST THE MAJORITY, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ON THE SCHEDULE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, KIND OF COME UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING, LIKE WITH A ROUGH, UM, DRAFT OR A ROUGH SCHEDULE OF WHAT, UM, THE MEETING CADENCE WOULD BE.
AND, UM, JUST SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE CONFLICTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN TRY TO TAKE THE MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEETINGS, COUNCIL MEMBERS MEETINGS INTO, UH, ACCOUNT SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING COUNCIL MEMBER RIBS CHOOSE BETWEEN THIS AND, AND THAT OTHER MEETING.
UM, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE, I'M ASSOCIATED WITH AG AND OPEN SPACE RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO I, I GUESS THAT'S THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR US, IS TO THINK ABOUT OUR NEXT YEAR AND IF THERE ARE ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS ON THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, THIS MONTH EVENING.
UH, 'CAUSE WE WOULD STILL KEEP THE SAME DAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO JUST THINK I, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING FOR MYSELF.
BUT, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE THOSE THINGS, PLEASE SEND THEM TO, I GUESS, PATRICK.
AND THEN HE WILL, UH, BASED ON THAT, AT OUR NEXT, UH, THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR MEETING, WE'LL COME UP WITH THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CADENCE.
AND THEN I THINK THAT DOES PRESERVE, UH, THE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, IT, LET, LETS US TABLE THE ISSUE THAT CHAIR, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER PETER'S BROUGHT UP AROUND POTENTIAL, UH, REMOTE, UH, PARTICIPATION BY THE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK THAT KIND OF HELPS PRESERVE YOUR, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE UNIQUE TO THIS BODY.
I DO THINK THE, ALL OF THE CITY BODIES SHOULD BE REVISITING THIS TOPIC AND WHAT MORE CAN BE DONE.
I THINK AT A MINIMUM, AN OFFER TO READ AT LEAST A PORTION OF AN EMAIL LIVE IS A GOOD STARTING POINT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED CITYWIDE.
CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE EMAIL HAS A WORD COUNT LIMIT
NO, I'M, YOU KNOW, WITHIN REASON, THERE'S, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT HOW IT'S DONE AND WHAT IT'S DONE, IT'S QUITE EFFECTIVE.
I, I AM NOT PERSONALLY WORRIED ABOUT, UH, ROTTEN TOMATOES.
I THINK WE'RE DEMOCRACY'S MESSY AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO TO PREVENT PEOPLE BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT SUPER POLITE.
SO IF IT DOES BECOME FEASIBLE, WE'LL REVISIT IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO JUST A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF WE GET TO SIX TIMES, WHETHER IT BE EVERY OTHER OR TWO TOGETHER, AND THEN TWO TOGETHER, EITHER CASE, UM, BUT TO GET MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UM, A COUPLE THINGS ARE HAPPENING WHERE I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS IS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT THEY DO LISTEN BECAUSE THEY'RE RECORDED.
AND THEY DO WATCH IT DURING THE WEEK WHEN THEY HAVE TIME.
SO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT SOMETHING UP HERE IS WORTHY OF RECORDING AND THEN LISTENING TO LATER AND, AND THAT RE OR FOLKS TO COME IN.
YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE TUNING IN FOR THE DATA?
BUT, UH, IF WE COULD CREATE, UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PUT INTO THE AGENDA, WHICH MEANS THERE WOULD BE A PRESENTATION.
SO ONE WOULD BE LIKE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY I COULD PUT TOGETHER, OR HAVE I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE SONOMA CLEAN POWER.
THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BRING SOMEONE HERE YES.
TO PRESENT TO US WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GEOTHERMAL RIGHT NOW, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND ACTIONS TO TAKE.
SO THERE'D BE A PRESENTATION, BUT ALSO THERE NEEDS TO BE A TOPIC OF INTEREST THAT WE ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE A, A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AROUND USUALLY ACTIONABLE ITEMS, WHETHER IT BE THE ROADS OR TRANSPORT OR BUILDING ENERGY.
BUT THERE SHOULD BE A PREPARED, SO ONE OF US MAYBE TAKE THE LEAD AND SAY, WE ARE GOING TO FIND A PRESENTER TO TALK ABOUT ATOPIC, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LEAD IN A, UM, A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT PERSON HAS A RESPONSIBILITY OF, OKAY, I'M GONNA DO MY HOMEWORK AHEAD OF TIME, I'M GONNA DO THIS RESEARCH, WHATEVER.
AND THEN I'M GONNA BRING IT FORWARD AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A NICE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I KNOW I DO THAT IN MY COFFEE GROUP.
WE ACTUALLY ORGANIZE IT AND EVERY TWO WEEKS WE HAVE SOMEONE VOLUNTEERING TO PRESENT AND DO THINGS.
SO WE COULD EASILY HAVE US, NOT THEM, NOT THE STAFF, BUT US ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THAT WORK.
I, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR, IF, IF WE'RE DOING
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SIX MEETINGS A YEAR, THAT THERE WOULD BE THREE PRESENTATIONS.BECAUSE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS IS FOR PRESENTATIONS AND OR, OR ITEMS OF DISCUSSION.
THE NEXT IS TO VOTE ON THINGS.
SO, SO THEN THAT, THAT'S, I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S DOABLE IF WE'RE MAKING IT ONLY BE THREE, INSTEAD OF HAVING, LIKE HAVING TO COME UP WITH CONTENT EVERY TWO MEETINGS OR, OR, OR EXCUSE ME, EVERY, EVERY MEETING OR WHATEVER.
IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? I'M MAKE SURE THE IDEA THAT WHEN WE DO MEET IT, IT'S GOT SOME, SOME JUICE TO IT.
SO BOTH ON INFORMATIONAL TRANSFER AS WELL AS DECISION MAKING, UH, AND DISCUSSION.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN WITHIN MEETINGS TO, TO BRING FOLKS IN TO TALK.
AND I THINK THAT, SO THEN WHAT THAT THE FEEDER WOULD BE TO THE, TO THE CHAIR OR TO, TO STAFF.
I'LL QUOTE THE YEAH, THE CHAIR.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT, BUT, BUT DO WE NOTED, UH, I THINK WE HAVE COME TO CONSENSUS.
I, UM, THIS IS MORE JUST AN OBSERVATION AROUND THE JUICY TOPICS IDEA.
SO, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON.
IT'S SORT OF BEEN THE PROCLIVITY OF THIS GROUP TO NOT GO INTO THAT.
BUT LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT RULES AROUND OH YEAH.
EVERYONE'S LIKE, WHO'S IN IT? IS FOLLOWING THAT.
UH, WE COULD AS A BODY BE LIKE, WE SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND INVITE THE PUBLIC TO DO THAT.
SO WE ARE CLEARLY AWARE OF THESE IMPORTANT THINGS OCCURRING.
THEY'RE INCUR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VOTING MEMBERS THAT GO TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE RIGID SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE A MEETING ON THAT, PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR VOTING MEMBER AT THAT GROUP.
SO THAT, AGAIN, IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
WE, WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO OUR, TO OUR PARA DISTRICT MEMBER, REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL.
AND THERE'S, I MEAN, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF IS GOING ON ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND IT COULD ALSO BE MORE LOCAL STUFF, LIKE LOCAL STUFF.
YOU KNOW, D STREET, BIG, BIG PIECE OF CONTROVERSY THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF FUN STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WAS IN THE NORTH PACIFIC, NORTH SPECIFIC NORTH PAA.
IS IT THE NPSP? UH, THAT'S, THAT WILL BE CONTROVERSIAL.
WE GOT ALL KINDS OF FUN STUFF.
I THINK BRING, LET'S BRING THE JUICE.
I AM GONNA WRAP THIS UP, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, WHERE WERE WE? UH, SO I'M GOING TO, NOW I THINK I'M, DO I NEED TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THAT THE, WE CAN NOTE THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, I THINK THAT'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO VOTING.
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COMMISSION COMMENT.ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, UH, GO AS USUAL.
START OFF, UM, JUST, UH, UH, A A FEW THINGS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, BEFORE WE LEAVE TODAY, IT'S A POSSIBILITY IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER JUST BRAINSTORMING SOME OF THOSE JUICY TOPICS THAT WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT IN 2026.
WHETHER THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, IF YOU ALWAYS WANNA MAKE COMMENTS ON WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY BRING, UM, AS WE GO AROUND.
SO THIS, SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHILE I'M TALKING SO THAT YOU MAY BRING SOME OF YOUR IDEAS IN AS TO WHAT WE, WHAT ARE THE MAIN TOPICS THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING IN 2026.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M, I SAID, I JUST DID SOME RESEARCH WITH GEOTHERMAL, TALKED TO A COUPLE FOLKS AT SNOW, CLEAN POWER.
UM, THEY'RE READY TO GIVE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, THERE COULD EVEN BE A TOUR UP THERE TO GOING UP THERE, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT THERE IS A NEW GENERATION OF, UH, GEOTHERMAL TECHNOLOGY CALLED CLOSED LOOP, WHICH, UH, HAS HUGE POTENTIAL THAT IS NOW IN PILOT STUDIES HERE AND THERE IN RESEARCH.
SO WE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT IS ONE THING.
UM, I'LL BE GIVING A TALK ON IN JANUARY, ON JANUARY 22ND.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA MEET YOU IN JANUARY OR NOT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I'LL BE THERE AT THE LIBRARY IF YOU WANNA COME LISTEN TO ME, TALK ABOUT GENERAL PLAN AND, AND ALL OF THE GREEN, UM, MOVEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING WITHIN IT.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO IS BILL GATES IS SORT OF LIKE SHIFTING FROM, HEY, WE NEED TO JUMP OUT THERE AND DO ALL THESE CLIMATE ACTIONS.
AND NOW HE'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING TOO MUCH ATTENTION.
UH, OIL COMPANIES AREN'T PAYING TOO MUCH ATTENTION.
WE ARE HAVING, ACTUALLY THIS LAST WEEKEND WE HAD MORE TRAVEL THAN EVER BEFORE FOR THANKSGIVING AND THIS CHRISTMAS THEY EXPECT MORE TRAVEL, MORE
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PLANES, MORE CARS, MORE ROAD MILES TRAVELED THAN EVER BEFORE.SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION AND TAKING PERSONAL CHOICES.
THEY'RE STILL CHOOSING TO TAKE PERSONAL ACTIONS AS THEY PERSONALLY TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
SO WITH THAT, THERE IS THE CONCEPT.
MAYBE ANOTHER DISCUSSION MIGHT BE, UM, MOVING CONCEPTS TOWARD ADAPTATION AND, UM, UH, AS WELL AS ALL OUR CLIMATE ACTIONS AS WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO ADAPT.
AND, UM, THAT'D BE ANOTHER LITTLE HOT TOPIC TO TO, TO WORK HERE ON THIS MORNING, I WENT TO THE TOURISM, UM, UH, SUMMARY FOR, FOR THE YEAR, UM, AT THE TOURIST BUREAU, UH, FOR SONOMA COUNTY.
AND SO WE'VE GOT, UH, TALKS ON THERE AND JUST TURNS OUT THAT THAT IS WHERE OUR ECONOMY IS GOING TO BE GROWING.
MORE SO THAN IN AGRICULTURE, MORE SO THAN IN POPULATIONS AND BUSINESSES.
BUT TOURISM IS A, IS A HUGE POTENTIAL.
BUT BASED ON THE ECONOMY, AS THINGS ARE GOING UP, DOWN AND IT'S SHIFTED, THEY'RE EVEN USING, UM, AI, UH, PAYING ATTENTION THAT THE MARKETING AND DIGITAL MARKET.
THEY'VE HIRED A DIGITAL MARKETER, WHICH WE MAY CONSIDER HERE IN OUR, UH, CITY.
UM, USING AI TO NOT ONLY GET INFORMATION OUT AND MARKET TO THE OUT, BUT ALSO BRINGING INFORMATION BACK.
BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE EVEN CAPABLE OF TRACKING WHO ACTUALLY LOOKS AT THESE 30 MINUTE VIDEOS THAT ARE GOING OUT IN ADVERTISING IN VARIOUS, ON VIDEO GAMES, WHATEVER.
THERE'S VIDEOS BEING CREATED AND THEY GO OUT AND SOMEONE LISTENS TO IT.
AND THEN IF SOMEONE HAS AN IP ADDRESS AND THEN THE IP ADDRESS IS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH A PHONE NUMBER THAT ALSO IS IN THAT SAME LOCATION, THEN WHEN THAT PHONE ARRIVES TO THE BACK HERE, AI KNOWS THAT IT'S HERE AND WILL ACTUALLY, UM, UH, RECORD IT AND ACTUALLY SEND THE MESSAGES TO THAT PHONE.
BUT, UM, IT'S, SO THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER AREA IN AI ENERGY, UM, WHAT'S BEING USED AND HOW THAT'S CHANGING OUR WHOLE STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S FROM A CLIMATE ACTION POINT OF VIEW, FROM THE ENERGY POINT OF VIEW, AS WELL AS CHANGING OUR SOCIETY IS ANOTHER HOT TOPIC.
BUT THAT WAS BROUGHT, BROUGHT UP TODAY IN THE TOURISM MEETING.
UM, AS WELL AS, UM, OUR SHIFT TOWARD FAMILIES TOWARD, UM, UM, ACCESSIBILITY.
SO WE HAVE TO DO HIGHER END LUXURY ACCESSIBILITY AND FAMILY TOURISM NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FROM THE, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
SO THOSE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT TOURISM ALSO MEANS MORE TRAVEL AND MORE CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE AIR.
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, DO WE SUPPORT TOURISM OR NOT? SO THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT.
UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, AT THE, AT THE CITY COUNCIL, LOOKING AT OUR NEAR FUTURE, UH, THERE'S WARNING SIGNS ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT DOLLARS FROM THE STATE AND FEDS.
WE'VE SEEN THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE, ARE DROPPING FUNDING, UH, OF, OF, OF LOSING ABOUT ANY, ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
THE STATE IS, IS, UH, LOSING MONEY.
THE FEDS, UM, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT THEY'RE REMOVING MONEY LIKE CRAZY.
AND, AND, AND, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING POSSIBLY 20 TO $30 MILLION LOSS IN FUNDING FOR COMING THIS NEXT YEAR.
FUNDING, UH, COMPARED TO PAST FOR HITTING UP OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND OUR, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT FUNDING IS MAYBE, UM, DEEPLY IMPACTED THIS COMING YEAR.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATE? HOW ARE WE GONNA HELP MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON, UM, THOSE THINGS I NOTICED, ARE WE WILLING TO, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND TRADE TO GIVE UP AND TRADE FOR, UH, GIVEN WHAT'S COMING? SO LOOKING AT THE, AND THE ECONOMY COMING UP.
AND THEN JUST A NOTICE IN MY MAILBOX CAME TODAY WAS THE NOR HEAD ON THE NORTH SMART STATION SPECIFIC PLAN.
I THINK A COUPLE OF US WERE THERE YESTERDAY, WENT TO THE MEETING.
UM, AND SO, BUT THAT WORK GROUP IS BEING CREATED TO DO MORE.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALL SORTS OF POSSIBILITIES.
SO, SO IT'D BE NICE IF WE, WE JOINED UP IN THAT GROUP TOO AND GOT CLIMATE ACTIONS INCORPORATED IN THAT SPECIFIC PLAN, PARTICULARLY 'CAUSE THAT'S THE GROWTH AREA.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA GROW OUT 5,000 PEOPLE IN ONE LITTLE ZONE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA CHANGE OUR ROADS AND HOW THAT COMMUNITY LIVES AND WHAT, AND WHAT FUNCTIONS THERE.
SO CAN WE GET THE CLIMATE ACTION PUSHED INTO THAT FUTURE PLAN FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT 5,000 PEOPLE? CAN WE CREATE A CARLESS COMMUNITY? CAN WE DO THAT? HOW TO DO THAT? CAN WE MANAGE THE WATER, THE FLOODING COMING FROM BO UH, FROM BASICALLY THE RAINS.
SO THAT WAS THE MEETING FROM YESTERDAY THAT, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY AN OPEN BOOK RIGHT NOW AND IT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS WHERE THAT MIGHT GO.
SO GETTING THAT SUPPORT MAY BE NEEDED.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
UM, AND ALSO I'VE, I HAPPEN TO BE ALMOST ON FINISHED WITH MY THIRD EDITION OF MY, UH, PETAL WETLANDS, UH, FIELD GUIDE.
SO THAT'LL HOPEFULLY GET TO PRINTED OFF.
WE NEED, WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA COPY SECOND EDITION.
SO I'VE WORKED ON A THIRD EDITION
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AND THAT'LL COME OUT PROBABLY NEXT MONTH.SO THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, SO, UM, SO ONE OF THE WORKING GROUPS THAT DEB HAS ORGANIZED AS A, UM, HABITAT GARDENING WORKING GROUP.
AND SO I'VE BEEN LEADING THE CONVERSATION WITH DEB ON THAT.
WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS, UM, PRETTY WELL ATTENDED, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, 12 OR SO PEOPLE FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.
AND SO WE'VE KIND OF SET OUT A WORK PLAN AND, UM, STARTING TO DEVELOP DIFFERENT, UH, HABITAT GARDENING TYPES, LISTS OF PLANTS, UM, VISUAL IMAGES, MAPPING, DEMONSTRATION SITES, DECIDING WHERE WE NEED MORE DEMONSTRATION SITES WORKING ON OUR OUTREACH APPROACH.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF WORKING THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEVELOPING A ROADMAP AND THEN ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MEET AGAIN IN JANUARY AND THEN WE'RE COORDINATING AT A HIGHER LEVEL WITH A COMMUNICATIONS GROUP TO KIND OF ORGANIZE THIS, UM, KIND OF CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK.
UH, SO THAT THE VARIOUS EFFORTS FROM, UH, THE ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS TO HEALTHY SOILS, UM, MAYBE THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL WORKING GROUPS LATER IS, IS COORDINATED AND THE PUBLIC KIND OF GETS A MESSAGE THAT THERE'S LOTS OF CLIMATE ACTION HAPPENING IN A NETWORKED WAY.
AND, UM, WELL COMMUNICATED AND BRANDED AND, UH, PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THE WORK DONE.
SO, SO THAT'S SUPER ENCOURAGING.
IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD PROCESS SO FAR.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TAG ONTO THE JUICY TOPIC IDEAS AND THROW SOME THOUGHTS OUT THERE.
UM, I THINK ENERGY STORAGE, UM, IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING ONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SCALE, DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON, UH, AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S BATTERIES OR HYDROGEN, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'D BE NICE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AND UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENTS ARE BEING MADE BY OUR UTILITIES OR NOT BEING MADE BY OUR UTILITIES IN THOSE ENERGY STORAGE THINGS.
UM, I THINK THERE, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE GENERAL PLAN.
LIKE IS THE GENERAL PLAN DOING CLIMATE ACTION? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, OR WHAT'S IT DOING RIGHT OR WHAT'S NOT DOING ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, SO TO KIND OF FOCUS A DISCUSSION WHERE WE ALL REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, AND HAVE SOME COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE IT COULD BE BETTER OR IF IT'S RIGHT ON, PUT OUR IMPRIMATUR ON IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR THAT WE DON'T WANNA MISS.
UM, THEN I THINK IT GOING TO THE ADAPTATION TOPIC, MAYBE WE FOCUS MORE SPECIFICALLY ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE EXPECT EXTREME HEAT TO BE AN ISSUE IN PETALUMA, WHICH COMMUNITIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT? AND, AND DO THAT ALSO WITH, UM, FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE.
YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF CREATE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION AROUND WHERE WE ANTICIPATE THOSE ISSUES TO BE, UM, OF GREATEST CONCERN.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S JUST LIKE A REALLY, A LACK OF PUBLIC INFORMATION ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ANTICIPATED.
AND SOME OF THAT'S IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GETTING OUT TO ALL THE RELEVANT HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THE RIVER.
AND THOSE ARE A COUPLE TOPICS THAT I THINK WOULD BE WORTH EXPLORING.
YOU'LL HAVE TO COME HECK LESS.
WE NEED SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO KEEP US HONEST.
UM, I, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE REMISS TO, TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS, UH, COMMISSION.
AND WE'VE, WE'RE ALL VERY GRATEFUL.
UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATED GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND, AND, AND JUST WANTED TO EXTEND A, A HARDY THANKS, UH, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
AND, UH, WE WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST IN WHATEVER THE NEXT CHAPTER IS FOR YOU.
AND OF COURSE, YOU'LL STILL BE WORKING WITH WORKING GROUPS, SO YOU WON'T BE TOO FAR.
BUT YEAH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, WE THINK WE SHOULD, UH, YEAH, JUST CONTINUE TO, TO ALL WORK TOGETHER AND KEEP MAKING PETALUMA SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE.
YEAH, COMMISSIONER PETERS, ANY COMMENTS? OH, WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SO WELL SAID.
ESPECIALLY THE GENERAL PLAN AND ADAPTATION LINK.
THAT WAS LIKE MY TOP OF MIND, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD SIT MAYBE TO GO ONE LAYER DEEPER JUST IN TERMS OF THE MEETING CADENCE THAT WE MAKE SURE TO HAVE A MEETING IN ADVANCE OF THE RELEVANT GENERAL PLAN MEETING, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT WOULD BE TIED TO THE, UM,
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MAYBE THERE.AND I BELIEVE IN THAT THERE'S LIKE THE MANAGEMENT RETREAT POLICY AND SOME OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, SO, AND THEN ALSO THE SAFETY ELEMENT, IF WE ALL RECALL, THE SAFETY ELEMENT IS WHERE THE ADAPTATION PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN LIVES.
AND MAYBE THERE'S AN ADOPTION MEETING ON THAT.
BUT, UM, TIED TO THAT, I STILL HAVE A DREAM OF, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN AT SOME POINT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE STATUS UPDATE IS ON THAT AND THE COUNTY'S WORK ON THAT.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE AT LEAST OUR TWO FORMAL WAYS OF ENGAGING ON THE TOPIC OF ADAPTATION IS THE LOCAL HAZARD PLAN AND THEN THE SAFETY ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SORT OF THE HOUSING, UH, COMPONENT OF IT.
BY, BY THE WAY, THE GENERAL PLAN, I THINK I SAW IN, IN THE LONG-TERM SCHEDULE IS COMING UP EARLY IN THE YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA GET AN UPDATE SHORTLY, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, I THINK IT'S COMING IN.
SO IF YOU CHECK THAT DATE ON THAT PLAN, THEN MAKE SURE WE WE'RE COORDINATED WITH THAT.
THE DISCUSSION ON LAND USE IS ACTUALLY MONDAY IS MONDAY LAND USE MONDAY, BUT I THINK IN ABOUT THREE MONTHS I SAW COMING UP WAS GENERAL PLAN, UH, DISCUSSION WHERE UPDATE ON WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT AND WHAT, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH AN END ENDPOINT OF MAYBE MIDSUMMER BEING THAT IT SHOULD BE APPROVED BY MIDSUMMER.
SO WE SHOULD BE THINKING DEFINITELY, UH, ABOUT HELPING THAT OUT.
YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, UH, I'LL JUST SEGUE THERE.
UH, ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY NEGLIGENT TO NOT WEIGH IN AS A BODY ON THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE SINCE IT HAS SO MANY CLIMATE, UH, IMPLICATIONS.
SO THAT'S NOTED FROM, FROM ALL OF US HERE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE CHAIR AND, AND, AND STAFF TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT.
AND, UH, FROM A RECENT MEETING I HAD WITH, UH, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, HAVING US VOTE AS A BODY AND IT GOING TO COUNCIL TO, TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL THAT LIKE, YES, MAKING THIS TOWN MORE DENSE, DOING THE, THE MAKING THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, ZONING UPDATES OF THE, OF THE PLAN ARE IMPORTANT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF LIP SERVICE, BUT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, BUT I WAS CONVINCED THAT IT WOULD GET, ADD AN IMPLEMENTER OF, UH, LEGITIMACY AROUND CLIMATE GOALS TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY CAN USE IT AS KIND OF A SHIELD.
SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE WITH THIS PLAN, BUT THIS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE TO DO IT IS THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BECOME MORE CLIMATE FRIENDLY AND ADAPT TO CHANGING CONDITIONS IN THE CLIMATE.
SO, UH, YEAH, I'M EXCITED TO, FOR THIS BODY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT OFFICIALLY.
I THINK THAT THAT VOTE IS, AND THE VOTES LIKE THAT, UH, SUPPORTING SPECIFIC, UH, MAYBE CONTROVERSIAL
SO I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, FOR, UH, COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? YEAH, STAFF.
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COMMENTS.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE REMINDER.
AND REALLY THE, THE ONE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS TO SAY THAT STAFF REALLY APPRECIATES COMMISSIONER BAKER FOR YOUR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE OG YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
UM, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS CARE THAT YOU HAVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE, THE PUBLIC SERVICE YOU'VE GIVEN O OVER ALL THESE YEARS.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL MISS YOU, BUT WE KNOW, WE'LL SEE YOU AROUND.
SO, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I'LL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT TONIGHT.