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CAN I CONFIRM THAT THE RECORDING HAS STARTED? YEAH.[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2026.MAY WE TAKE ROLL PLEASE? COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL.
CHAIR BAR CLAY SAXON HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE WE READY TO BEGIN? GENERAL
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT.DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE HCPCS SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE HCPC.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
IF ANYBODY HAS A SPEAKER CARD THAT PLEASE HAVE HAVEN'T ALREADY BROUGHT IT TO OUR CLERK.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED? NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD ALL, DO I JUST CALL THE NAME? MM-HMM
THIS IS, THIS IS EXCITING FOR ME.
THIS IS OUR FIRST, MY FIRST GET CHANCE TO CALL SOMEBODY.
UM, ALICE VAN EREN, DO YOU LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, MY NAME IS ALICE VAN EREN AND I ACTUALLY SERVED ON THE HCPC, UH, FROM 2021 TO 2024, SO JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND I WAS THE MUSEUM REPRESENTATIVE, UH, DURING THAT PERIOD.
AND I CONTINUED TO VOLUNTEER AT THE RESEARCH LIBRARY AT THE MUSEUM.
AND I ALSO HELP COORDINATE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHICH IS WHAT I WANNA JUST KIND OF MENTION TONIGHT IS, UM, SO THIS'LL BE OUR FIFTH YEAR THAT WE'RE CELEBRATING THIS.
AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE MUSEUM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY SUCH AS THE, UH, ULUA LIBRARY.
UM, WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY, OF COURSE, UH, ALSO WITH THE STATE PARKS AND, UM, A VARIETY OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, PIL IS OF YESTERYEAR AS WELL.
UM, NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT'S KIND OF A MARKETING EVENT.
SO WE TRY TO BUNDLE ALL THE HISTORICAL EVENTS THAT WERE RELATED TO PRESERVATION OR EDUCATION RELATED TO PETALUMA, UH, INTO THAT MONTH.
AND SO, UM, SO THIS YEAR, UM, WE'RE STARTING A LITTLE BIT EARLY.
I'M STARTING IN JANUARY TO START, AT LEAST START TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE HCPC HAS KIND OF PLAYED A MINOR ROLE THERE.
IN 2023, THERE WAS, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A STIPEND FROM THE CITY AND BRING IN A GUEST SPEAKER AND TALKED ABOUT, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, PRESERVATION ISSUES.
AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BROADCAST PRETTY WIDELY, ALTHOUGH OFTEN OUR AUDIENCES ARE KIND OF SMALL.
UH, BUT IT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE MONTH OF MAY TO PROMOTE SOME KIND OF EVENT OR SOME KIND OF, SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA START YOU THINKING ABOUT IT.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL AND, UH, GIVE YOU A COUPLE LINKS OF, OF, UH, PAST EVENTS AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
UM, BUT THE EVENTS RANGE ANYWHERE FROM WALKING TOURS TO, UM, EDUCATIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL, UM, PRESENTATIONS.
UH, CATHERINE REINHARDT IS ALWAYS VERY MUCH INVOLVED, UM, AS WELL.
AND BASICALLY THIS YEAR WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TO DO SOME HISTORICAL DISPLAYS.
AND, UH, WE GOT COPELANDS TO PARTICIPATE AND WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS YEAR.
UH, GET SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER STORES TO KIND OF DISPLAY SOME HISTORICAL PHOTOS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A A MONTH LONG EVENT.
SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, COMMUNICATION TO ALL OF YOU AS WELL AS TO CITY STAFF.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THERE ARE NO PRESENTATION ITEMS TODAY.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
UM, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, MINUTES FOR, UM, JULY 1ST, 2025 BE APPROVED.DO I NEED A SECOND OR A YEAH, GO AHEAD.
MAY I, WOULD EITHER OF YOU LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION?
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SECOND.MAY WE, MAY I REQUEST A ROLL CALL YOU? I THANK YOU.
COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL? YES.
UH, BARCLAY SAXON? YES, THEY'RE APPROVED.
ALRIGHT, LET'S CLOSE MEETING ITEM ONE.
WE ALSO HAVE MEETING ITEM TWO, WHICH IS ANOTHER APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THIS TIME FOR OUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025.
I MOVE THAT THE MINUTES BE APPROVED FOR, UH, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025.
WOULD EITHER OF YOU SECOND THAT? I SECOND THAT.
DO WE DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL AFTER THAT? OKAY.
CHAIR BAR CLAY SAXON? YES, THEY'RE APPROVED.
I'M ITEM NUMBER TWO, AND THEN I BELIEVE I TURNED THINGS OVER TO THE PLANNING MANAGER.
GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
I WANTED TO BRIEFLY PROVIDE JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO SET SOME CONTEXT FOR THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE PROPOSING MODIFICATIONS OR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS COME TO THE HCPC FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL TRIGGER THAT REQUIRES DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, UM, AND BRINGS A PROJECT BEFORE YOU.
UH, TODAY'S PROJECTS WE HAVE, UM, AS YOU'LL LEARN FROM THE PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSION, OUR FIRST PROJECT AT 3 0 7 KENT IS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, A HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION HAS DETERMINED THAT IT IS NOT A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DISTRICT AND IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING.
NEVERTHELESS, THE PROJECT STILL HAS TO COME BE BECAUSE IT IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT WAS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THEN THE, UH, SECOND PROJECT AT 5 28 OAK STREET, THE, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION HAS DETERMINED THAT IT IS A, A SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC RESOURCE.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE OAK HILL, OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING AT EITHER STATE OR A NATIONAL REGISTERS.
SO THAT TRIGGER, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT IT IS LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, WOULD REQUIRE THAT THAT PROJECT COMES FORWARD.
SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, WE HAVE TWO, TWO, UH, STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR PROJECTS TO, UH, TO UNDERGO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
ONE IS IF YOU'RE IN A HILLSIDE CONDITION, AND THEN THE OTHER IS IF YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, OTHERWISE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DISCRETIONARY REVIEW.
SO HOPEFULLY WITH THAT CONTEXT, WE'LL, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING, UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE NUANCES BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND, AND ALSO HAVE A GENERAL, UM, ENHANCED UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PROJECTS COME BEFORE HCPC.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
BE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MEETING ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CIRCA 1955 SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 851 SQUARE FOOT HALF STORY EDITION.THE DWELLING WOULD BE EXPANDED FROM A ONE STORY STRUCTURE TO A ONE AND A HALF STORY CONFIGURATION BY CONSTRUCTING A NEW HALF STORY ABOVE THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT, INSTALLATION OF NEW DORMER ELEMENTS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, RELOCATION OF THE FRONT PORCH, SORRY, RELOCATION OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO FACE KENT STREET CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 16 FOOT BY FIVE FOOT FRONT PORCH INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS ON ALL ELEVATIONS AND REPLACEMENT OF ROOF MATERIALS WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 3 0 7 KEN STREET, A PN 0 0 6 1 15 6 0 1 3 CITY RECORD NUMBER PL SR 2 25 0 0 0 6.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT DOES REQUIRE THE COMMITTEE TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
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IS THERE ANY OF THOSE? OKAY, THEN LET US OPEN THE HEARING AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA INVITE STAFF TO PRESENT.GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, MY NAME IS PETER KAGEN AND I AM WORKING WITH THE M GROUP, UH, IN THE CITY'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
TODAY I'LL BE PRESENTING AN APPLICATION FOR A MAJOR SITE PLAN, MAJOR HISTORIC SITE PLAN IN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR A ONE AND A HALF STORY ADDITION ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO 3 0 7 KEN STREET IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICATION PROPOSES TO RAISE THE ROOF LINE OF ITS, UH, FROM ITS CURRENT 16 FOOT HEIGHT TO A 25 FOOT HEIGHT.
UH, THE EAVES WOULD REMAIN IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION AND THE ROOF PITCH WOULD INCREASE, UH, AND DORMERS WOULD BE ADDED.
UH, THIS WOULD CREATE AN APPROXIMATE 850 SQUARE FOOT HALF STORY ADDITION, UM, TO THE EXISTING 1000 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE PROJECT ALSO PROPOSES, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, RELOCATING THE FRONT DOOR TO FACE KENT STREET, UM, AND THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT PORCH AND NEW WINDOWS AS WELL.
THE PROJECT IS THE ONLY HOME, UH, IT'S A FRONT KEN STREET ON ITS BLOCK AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, WITH A BASE ZONING OF R THREE.
UH, THE R THREE ZONE IS APPLIED TO OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT CHARACTERIZE CHARACTERIZED BY A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, UM, DENSITIES AND A WALKABLE CONTEXT.
THE ARTHUR THREE ZONING IMPLEMENTS THE, UH, DIVERSE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND AS THE PROJECT FALLS WITHIN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WE'VE SAID, UM, IT IS SUBJECT TO THE GUIDELINES THEREOF.
UM, THE STRUCTURE IS ALSO OLDER, OLDER THAN 45 YEARS OLD.
UH, SO IT WILL QUALIFY FOR, UH, THE HISTORIC PROTECTIONS, UM, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THE HR PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO ANALYZE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO EITHER HISTO SPECIFIC HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
AS ANDREW MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, AND AS ANDREW MENTIONED, UH, HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCE OF EVALUATION WAS PERFORMED BY A QUALIFIED HISTORIAN AND FOUND THE, UH, PROPERTY DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR INCLUSION AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, NOR WOULD THE PROPERTY BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DUE TO ITS AGE AND MODERN STYLING.
HOWEVER, THE H BAR PROCESS STILL APPLIES TO ANALYZE IMPACTS TO THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
BUILT IN 1955, THE HOME IS ONE OF THE MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
AND THE HOME'S ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES DENOTE THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE.
THE PROPERTY EXHIBITS THESE MINIMAL, MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLES THROUGH ITS, UM, SIMPLE BOXY FORM, UH, MINIMAL EAVES, UH, ASYMMETRICAL DESIGN AND ECONOMIC MATERIAL CHOICES.
THOUGH IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UM, AT SOME POINT OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS, THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH MODERN CASINGS.
HERE WE CAN SEE HOW THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS WOULD CHANGE THE BUILDING EXTERIOR AS VIEWED FROM THE STREET.
UM, PLEASE NOTE ON THESE DRAWINGS, UH, THE EXTERIORS ARE SHOWN DIFFERENTLY.
HOWEVER, THE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR, IT'S JUST HOW THEY WERE DRAWN.
THE APPLICATION, UH, WOULD KEEP THE EXISTING COLORS SIDING AND ROOFING MATERIAL.
A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH MEETING WAS NOTICED, UM, AND HELD AT OAK HILL PARK ON SEPTEMBER 19TH OF LAST YEAR.
THE APPLICANT REPORTED SIX PARTICIPANTS WITH COMMENTS OF APPROVAL AT THE MEETING, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, A PUBLIC NOTICE OF HEARING WAS PUBLISHED IN THE ARGUS COURIER ON DECEMBER 6TH, AND MAILERS WERE SENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET ON THE PROJECT SITE.
NO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED BY STAFF
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STAFF FINDS THE PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, POLICIES 3.1 P AND ONE P THREE.UM, IN THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN EVALUATED, UH, BY A QUALIFIED HISTORIAN FOR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
AND THE PROJECT'S POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE BEING REVIEWED THROUGH THIS HRHR PROCESS.
THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE R THREE ZONE IN THE IMPLEMENTED ZONING ORDINANCE OR IZO.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE APPLICATION DOES INCLUDE THE CONVERSION OF GARAGE SPACE TO, UM, TO ACCESS THE, UH, THE ADDITION, THE LOSS OF 25 FEET IN THE GARAGE.
HOWEVER, THIS WOULD NOT INHIBIT THE GARAGE'S ABILITY TO SUPPORT THE HOME IN MEETING ITS COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH OAK HILL BREWSTER DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND DOES NOT EXCEED THE ROOF HEIGHT OF ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING HOMES.
THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AS, UH, NO CHANGE TO THE USE.
UM, NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE HISTORIC CHARACTERS, NO FALSE HISTORIC CONTEXT.
UM, IT CONTINUES THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE, UH, PRESERVES THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL FEATURES.
SO WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ALSO, NO HISTORIC FEATURES ARE BEING ALTERED.
NO CHEMICAL TREATMENTS ARE PROPOSED.
UH, PRESERVATION OF ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES ARE CONTINUING.
UM, COULD, IT COULD BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE IF NEEDED.
STAFF FINDS THE PROJECT CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE PROVISIONS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HDPC APPROVE THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED AND MODIFIED BY THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS NOW.
UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, NOW IS OUR CHANCE TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
IS THE GARAGE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A GARAGE? UM, IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO, I CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW THE OWNER'S USING IT RIGHT NOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSELY ANY PARKING IMPACTS THAT YOU CAN ENVISION? NO, THAT'S EXA ONE OF THE, THE, THE POINTS WAS THAT THE LOSS OF SPACE WOULDN'T IMPACT ITS ABILITY TO MEET THE MINIMUM NINE BY 20 FOR A COVERED VEHICLE.
THE DORMERS APPEAR UNEQUAL MM-HMM
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SATISFACTORY IN THAT DESIGN FROM A ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT? YES.
UH, UM, WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE, UM, DRAWINGS THERE.
AS IT'S STEP BACK, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT
BUT AGAIN, ITS SATISFACTORY IS FOR THIS BOARD TO, TO DISCUSS.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, PUBLIC, YOU ARE INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE BLUE SPEAKER CARDS AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
DID WE GET ANY, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS IN ATTENDANCE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND SAY ANYTHING? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
IF YOU DON'T
IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD TO GET TO THIS MEETING AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND REVIEWING THIS, UH, OUR DESIGN.
UM, IN ATTENDANCE, WE HAVE OUR, MY FAMILY, ALLISON
UM, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN WAS, UM, TAKING OUR NEIGHBORS INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE VIEWS INTO THEIR YARDS AND TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH ONE ARCHITECT, UH, WHO DIDN'T SHARE OUR VISION AND TOOK A BREAK FROM THE PROJECT AND THEN, UH, FOUND BRENT RUSSELL THROUGH, UH, SOME FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS.
AND, UM, PRETTY SOON ON OUR FIRST MEETING WITH BRENT, UM, REALIZED THAT HE HAD THE EXPERIENCE AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOR THE, UH, OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HAD DONE SEVERAL HOMES, UM, AND STARTED SHOWING US, SHOWING US THOSE HOMES.
AND WE, UM, IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT, YES, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, BECAUSE THOSE HOMES LOOK LIKE THEY FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WE WANTED WITH
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OUR PROJECT, AS WELL AS TO HAVE A FINISHED PRODUCT THAT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN THERE, UH, FOREVER AND WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY.SO, UM, THAT IS KIND OF OUR VISION AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.
UH, CURRENTLY IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM, AND IT WILL BE THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH IT.
SO, UM, THE GARAGE WE'RE USING AS A GARAGE AND, UH, I DON'T, WELL WE'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS LATER, BUT, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A GARAGE WHEN IT'S FINISHED AS WELL.
THANKS FOR JUST JUMPING IN TOO, FOR PEN.
SO I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THE LUNA AND I LIVE IN A HOUSE, A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE ALMOST, WHICH HAD A SECOND STORY ADDED.
AND MANY OF US IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE HAD THESE LITTLE BUNGALOWS AND SINGLE STORY HOUSES AND SECOND STORIES HAVE BEEN ADDED ON QUITE NICELY THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL.
I'VE SEEN THE PLANS PRIOR TO TONIGHT AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE LUNAS WOULD LIKE TO DO.
UM, OUR HOUSES NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TO SUPPORT FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE THAN WHAT WE HAD 50, 60, OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
SO I URGE YOU TO BE VERY POSITIVE IN YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THEIR PROPOSAL.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? I THINK THAT'S IT.
WE ALSO RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING FOR THIS MEETING ITEM.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMITTEE WE GET TO CONSIDER, TALK AMONGST OURSELVES AND DISCUSS BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR THINGS THEY WANNA THROW OUT THERE TO DISCUSS? OH YEAH, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION.
WHERE, WHERE, DO YOU HAVE A IMAGE OF WHAT THE, WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS NOW AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, I CAN PULL THAT UP.
I BELIEVE THAT AT PRESENT, THE FRONT DOOR DOES NOT FACE KENT STREET.
SO YOU WOULD GO ONTO THE PORCH AND THEN THE, THE FRONT DOOR IS OFF TO THE LEFT.
AND SO IT LOOKED WITH THE REVISIONS BY THE ADDITION OF THE PORCH.
IT WOULD BE, AND THEN THEY WOULD MOVE THE FRONT DOOR OUT TO FACE KENT STREET.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IN THE, IN THE ORIGINAL IMAGE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE IT.
HERE WE CAN SEE IT IN THE IMAGE ON THE, UH, RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN I HAVE, UH, DRAWINGS HERE.
SO AS ANDREW DESCRIBED, UH, THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT, THE DOOR IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
ANY, I THINK IT LOOKS VERY NICE AND IT IMPROVES THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AND ALSO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS YOU WANNA DISCUSS? ANYBODY MET WITH MICHAEL? ANYTHING YOU WANNA BRAINSTORM? OKAY.
UM, I AM THINKING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ECLECTIC.
THAT IT REALLY DOES MAKE SENSE THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE KINDS OF ARCHITECTURE THERE THAT THIS ISN'T IN KEEPING, NOT IN KEEPING IN ANY WAY.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION, A REMINDER THAT IF WE MOTION YES.
THE RECORD SHOWS THAT WE ARE AGREEING WITH WHAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER AS THE SUPPORT FOR SAYING YES.
AND IF WE ARE MOTION TO MOTIONING TO DENY OR TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION, WE NEED TO BACK THAT UP WITH WHY? SO THAT THE RECORD SHOWS THAT SO THAT WHEN WE'RE NOT HERE AND ACTIONS ARE BEING TAKEN TO SUPPORT OUR DECISION, THEY HAVE EVIDENCE FOR WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
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I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A MOTION TO VOTE.WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S HISTORIC AND CULT CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE APPROVING THE HISTORIC SIDE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING CALIFORNIA 1955 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 851 SQUARE FOOT HALF STORY ADDITION.
THE DWELLING WOULD BE EXPANDED FROM A ONE STORY STRUCTURE TO A ONE AND A HALF STORY CONFIGURATION BY CONSTRUCTING A NEW HALF STORY ABOVE THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT, INSTALLATION OF NEW DORMER ELEMENTS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, RELOCATION OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO FACE KENT STREET CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 16 FOOT BY FIVE FOOT FRONT PORCH INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS ON ALL ELEVATIONS AND REPLACEMENT OF ROOF MATERIALS WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 3 0 7 KENT STREET, A PN OH OH SIX DASH 15 SIX DASH OH ONE THREE CITY RECORD NUMBER PLSR DASH 2025, UH OH OH OH SIX AND WAIVE FURTHER READING OF THE TEXT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND OR ANOTHER MOTION? I'LL SECOND.
UM, YOUR RULE, MAY WE CONDUCT A VOTE? COMEDIC MEMBER MCMICHAEL AYE.
UM, THEN WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE MEETING ITEM THREE AND CONTINUE ON TO MEETING ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPROVING MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CIRCA 1908 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING A 450 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR RAISED DECK IN PERGOLA IN ADDITION TO THE, SORRY, AND LIKE FOR LIKE, REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND FINISHES LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 5 28 OAK STREET, A PN 0 0 6 2 2 1 1 CITY RECORD NUMBER SR 2 2 5 8.
THIS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES REQUIRE THE COMMITTEE TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS I'M SEEING NO.
SO LET US OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, INVITE STAFF TO PRESENT PLEASE.
I'M A CONTRACT ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH THREE YEARS OF SERVICE TO PETALUMA AND A PETALUMA RESIDENT.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU THIS EVENING.
SO THE PROJECT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IS A RENOVATION, EXPANSION AND GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOUSE AT 5 2 8 OAK STREET, THE FUTURE RESIDENCE OF ELIZABETH AND A BEAL.
THE BEALS WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A 450 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR FOR A NEW KITCHEN AND FAMILY ROOM AND A NEW ELEVATED REAR DECK AND PERGOLA.
THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH ENERGY EFFICIENT REPLICAS OF THE EXISTING ORIGINAL SINGLE PANE WINDOWS.
TWO FIXED PANE WINDOWS WOULD BE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS THAT REPLICATE THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THE ROOF WOULD BE REPLACED AND THE EXTERIOR PAINT EXTERIOR WOULD BE REPAINTED.
THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO RECONFIGURE TWO BEDROOMS, THE CURRENT KITCHEN AND PANTRY TO ACCOMMODATE OFFICE SPACES FOR THE BE AND A SECOND BATHROOM.
THIS REMODEL WOULD REQUIRE RELOCATION OF TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE AND ONE AT THE REAR.
SO THE PROJECT SIDE IS APPROXIMATELY 9,600 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A 1,650 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE.
THERE'S A DETACHED GARAGE AND STORAGE BUILDING TO THE REAR AT THE REAR OF THE PARCEL.
THE HOME SHARES A DRIVEWAY WITH 5 2 6 OAK STREET, AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1911.
THE PROJECT SITE IS ZONED R THREE.
UH, IT IS DESIGNATED DIVERSE LOAD DENSITY BY THE GENERAL PLAN 2025, AND IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT SHALL BE THE PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN, THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE, INCLUDING APPLICABLE PORTIONS, UH, SECTION 4.040 OR THE R THREE ZONING DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
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PRESERVATION OF CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT AND SECTION 24.050 FOR SITE PLANNING, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR SPAR.AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT OR QUA.
SO THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS LOCALLY DESIGNATED IN 1990, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS SPECIFICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DISTRICT AT THAT TIME.
UH, THE 1911 HOUSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF PETALUMA'S CHERRY HILL EDITION FROM THE END OF THE 19TH CENTURY.
THROUGH THE EARLY DECADES OF THE 20TH CENTURY, THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DEVELOPED.
THE DISTRICT IS CHARACTERIZED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES MOST WITH DETACHED GARAGES ON RELATIVELY SMALL LOTS AND HAS A RANGE OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, INCLUDING VICTORIAN QUEEN ANN COLONIAL REVIVAL AND CRAFTSMEN.
THE DISTRICT IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE TAKEN AS A WHOLE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD FORMS A NEARLY CONTINUOUS FABRIC OF A CENTURY OF VINTAGE ARCHITECTURE, REPRESENTING THE MOST RESIDENTIAL STYLES FROM 1850S THROUGH THE EIGHT 1980S BRAINER JONES' PETALUMA'S PREEMINENT ARCHITECT OF THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
HIS PORTFOLIO ENCOMPASSES A WIDE ARRAY OF PROPERTY TYPES, INCLUDING RESIDENCES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, GOVERNMENT AND CIVIC STRUCTURES, ET CETERA.
JONES DESIGNED CLUBHOUSES FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ODD FELLOWS, KNIGHTS OF ISTS, ELKS CLUB, AND PETALUMA GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB.
HE ALSO DESIGNED THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDINGS IN PETALUMA, SONOMA AND SANTA ROSA.
MANY OF JONES BUILDINGS, SUCH AS THE WOMEN'S CLUB, ARE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL HISTOR REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
JONES WAS ALSO KNOWN FOR DESIGNING HOMES FOR PETALUMA CIVIC AND BUSINESS LEADERS, MANY OF WHICH ARE ON D STREET.
HIS MORE MODEST HOMES FOR MIDDLE CLASS CLIENTS ARE IN THE OAK HILL BOOSTER AND A STREET HISTORIC DISTRICTS SUCH AS THE ONE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, HIS ORIGINAL DESIGNS IN THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE REFLECTS THE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW STYLE THAT WAS POPULAR BETWEEN 1905 AND 1925.
THE STYLE IS ROOTED IN THE BRITISH ARTS AND CRAFTS MOVEMENT.
THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE EMERGED AS A REACTION AGAINST THE ORNATE, MASS PRODUCED AESTHETIC OF THE VICTORIAN ERA FAVORING INSTEAD THE USE OF ORGANIC MATERIALS AND ARTISANAL DETAILS.
NOW, HALLMARKS OF THIS STYLE, UH, SUCH AS EXPOSED RAFTERS, LOW PITCH ROOFS, SUBSTANTIAL PORCH SUPPORTS AND HANDCRAFTED WOOD DETAILING ARE PRESENT AND WELL MAINTAINED IN THIS STRUCTURE.
THE RESIDENCE WAS BUILT IN 1911 BY ERNIE AND MABEL WILDER AS A FAMILY HOME.
ERNIE WAS ASSISTANT POSTMASTER IN PETALUMA UNTIL HIS RETIREMENT AND MABEL RAISED THEIR DAUGHTER LUCILLE.
THE WILDER FAMILY LIVED IN THE HOME UNTIL LUCILLE PASSED AWAY IN 1997, AFTER WHICH IT CHANGED HANDS TWICE AND WAS PURCHASED BY THE BE ROLLS IN JUNE OF 2025.
THE STRUCTURE HAS A NUMBER OF CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, INCLUDING THE PROMINENT GABLE BRACKET ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, THE LARGE FRONT PORCH WITH BRICK STEPS AND FLARED EAVES, UH, LARGE TAPERED SQUARE COLUMNS AND CLAPBOARD HALF WALL.
IT'S A LOT OF DETAILS ON THAT PORCH.
THERE'S A COMBINATION OF CLAPBOARD AND SHINGLE, UH, SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR WITH HORIZONTAL, UH, CLAPBOARD BELOW AND SHINGLES FLARED AT THE JUNCTION WIDTH ABOVE.
UM, HAS A WOODEN FRONT DOOR WITH THREE VERTICAL RACE PANELS AND FOR BEVELED GLASS PANES, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, UM, TO THE BOTTOM LEFT.
IT ALSO FEATURES WIDE WOOD TRIM AT THE WINDOWS VENTS AND DOORS, ET CETERA.
ADDITIONALLY, IT HAS DECORATIVE TRIANGLE KNEE BRACES ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
UH, TRIPARTITE GABLE VENTS INTO THE ATTIC GABLE BAY ON THE EAST ELEVATION WITH THESE FLARED EAVES THAT ARE ALSO VISIBLE ON THE FRONT.
UH, A SIDE PORCH ON THE EAST ELEVATION WITH WOOD STEPS, A BROOKSTONE CHIMNEY ON THE WEST ELEVATION AND THROUGHOUT DOUBLE HUNG WOOD SASH COTTAGE STYLE WINDOWS.
AND SO THESE ARE THE WINDOWS WHERE ABOVE, THERE'S MULTI DIVISION MULTIDI DIVIDED LIGHT OVER SINGLE PANE SASH IN THE BOTTOM.
UM, THERE ARE SOME FEATURES THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO, UH, THE BRAINER JONES'S DESIGN.
UM, THESE SECONDARY STEPS, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, UH, WITH THE, UM, GABLE AWNING AND THE REAR DOOR ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A SMALL WINDOW.
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THERE WAS, IF YOU LOOK ON THE DESIGN TO THE LEFT, A SECONDARY CHIMNEY PROBABLY LEADING TO THE KITCHEN, UH, WHICH WAS REMOVED, IS WE DO NOT COOK OUR FOOD OVER OPEN FIRES ANYMORE.THE ORIGINAL PORCH DOOR WA HAS BEEN REPLACED AND WHAT WAS INDICATED ON THE PLANS AS GALVANIZED SCREENING.
SO THAT REAR PORCH WAS AN ENCLOSED SCREENED PORCH, WERE AT SOME POINT REPLACED WITH FIXED PANE GLASS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE RAILING TO THE PORCH AND STEPS WAS REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THIS, UH, PAINTED LATTICE.
FINALLY, UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION HAS RECEIVED SOME CHANGES INCLUDING THE RAILING AT THE FRONT STEPS.
WHAT IS THERE? CURRENTLY? THE METAL RAILING IS NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, AT SOME POINT IT WAS REMOVED, UM, AND REPLACED.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN A FLAT FRAMED WOODEN CLAPBOARD WALL AROUND THE STEPS.
UM, OTHER INDICATIONS OF CHANGE ARE IN 2008 THE REAR SHED AND GARAGE WERE REPLACED.
AND IN 2009, THE STRUCTURE WAS RE-ROOFED.
PURSUANT TO CQAA RESOURCE IS SIGNIFICANT IF IT MEETS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.
IT IS LISTED IN THE CALIFORNIA REGISTER.
IT IS LISTED IN A LOCAL REGISTER OR DETERMINED BASED ON SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE, UH, TO BE SIGNIFICANT BY A LEAD AGENCY.
SO AS A LEAD AGENCY FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES OF CHAPTER 15 OF THE IZO TO PRESERVE HISTORIC RESOURCES, WE REQUIRED THAT THE PROJECT BE EVALUATED BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL AND THEY WOULD EVALUATE IT BASED ON THESE FOUR CRITERIA.
UM, THE INFORMATION IN THE PROCEEDING SLIDES ABOUT THE OAK HILL BREWSTER DISTRICT BRAINER JONES, AND THE FEATURES AND INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS CAN BE FOUND IN DETAIL AND ATTACHMENT FOR, TO THE STAFF REPORT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION PREPARED BY ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN ALICE HEALY DUFFY HEALY.
UM, AND SHE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE BASED ON THREE OF THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH EVENTS THAT SHAPED THE BROAD PATTERN OF LOCAL HISTORY, THE LIES OF SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE, NAMELY BRAD JONES.
UH, AND IT EMBODIES DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CRAFTSMAN'S STYLE.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA SHIFT TO DISCUSSING HOW THE PROJECT WOULD ALTER THE RESIDENCE.
UH, THE INTERIOR RECON, THE FIRST OF ALL, THE BULLETED 450 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, ET CETERA THAT I'VE ALREADY DETAILED, UM, CAN BE SEEN ON THE FIGURE TO THE RIGHT, UH, PRIMARILY IN THE REAR.
AND THERE WOULD BE ALSO AN ADDITIONAL INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION OF THE RESIDENCE.
UM, THE INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION MAKES SOME OF THE EXTERIOR CHANGES NECESSARY, BUT THE INTERIOR CHANGES ARE NOT, UH, WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SO THE INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION WOULD CONSOLIDATE THE TWO REAR BEDROOMS INTO ONE WITH A NEW EN SUITE BATHROOM, CREATE TWO NEW OFFICES AT A POWDER ROOM, MAKE THE EXISTING BATHROOM EN SUITE TO THE PRIMARY RELOCATE THE LAUNDRY ROOM.
UM, NO CHANGES TO THE FOOTPRINT WOULD OCCUR OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND ONLY MINOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR ON THE SIDES AND REAR.
AND THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.
AND THAT IS A, UH, SITE VIEW PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES TO THE MASSING OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, THE ADDITION WOULD BE MINIMALLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
HERE YOU COULD SEE ON XI METRIC VIEW OF WHAT PORTIONS OF THE REAR ADDITION WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AT THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I COULD DETERMINE WAS THE ADDITION OF A PORCH LIGHT AT THE SIZE.
THERE IS A SMALL CHANGE TO THE ROOF TO ATTACH THE ADDITION.
YOU CAN SEE AT THE LOWER LEFT, WHICH IS THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION.
UM, AND THE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY THOSE FIXED PANE REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL SCREENED PORCH WOULD BE CHANGED TO, UM, A FIXED SINGLE PANE UPPER AND A DOUBLE HUNG LOWER, UH, WITH DIVIDED UPPER LIGHTS TO IMITATE THE STYLE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.
ON THE EAST ELEVATION, UH, THE INTERNAL, UH, CHANGES WOULD PLACE A WALL IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY ONE OF THE REAR BEDROOM WINDOWS.
SO THAT WINDOW IS GOING TO BE RELOCATED AND, UM, EXPANDED SOMEWHAT TO, UH, ALLOW MORE LIGHT INTO MR.
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AL'S OFFICE.ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS CURRENTLY A LARGER WINDOW LEADING INTO A BATHROOM, AND THAT WILL BE REDUCED TO PROVIDE FOR MORE PRIVACY IN THE BATHROOM AT THE REAR ELEVATION.
TWO OF THE TRIANGULAR BRACKETS AND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WILL BE LOST TO MAKE WAY FOR THE ADDITION, AS WELL AS THE REMOVAL OF THE NON-ORIGINAL REAR GABLED PORCH.
THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW AFTER A DISH, AFTER THE ADDITION IS CONSTRUCTED, UM, WHAT IS CURRENTLY A PAIR OF WINDOWS WILL BE RECONFIGURED INTO A GLASS FRENCH DOOR OPENING ONTO THE REAR DECK.
AND ONE NEW WINDOW WILL BE ADDED INTO, UH, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE SECONDARY BATHROOM.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF, UM, WHAT THOSE CHANGES WILL LOOK LIKE STRUCTURALLY AND PHYSICALLY FROM THE REAR.
THE TRIM ON THE STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY WHITE, AND IT WOULD BE REPAINTED IN A BENJAMIN MOORE SWISS COFFEE, WHICH IS A WARM WHITE COLOR.
THE EXTERIOR WALLS WOULD BE REPAINTED FROM THE EXISTING LIGHT GRAY TO A BENJAMIN MOORE, PUTNAM IVORY.
THE EXISTING ROOF SHINGLES ARE CURRENTLY A LIGHT BROWN AND WOULD BE REPLACED WITH A LIGHT GRAY.
SO THE ROOF IS GOING FROM LIGHT BROWN TO GRAY, AND THE WALLS ARE GOING FROM A LIGHT GRAY TO BROWN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SHE A FIVE OF THE PROJECT PLAN SET AND ATTACHMENT TWO PROVIDES A DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED WINDOWS, INCLUDING A NUMBER OF THE NUMBER OF UPPER LIGHTS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY.
THE NUMBER OF LIGHTS THAT WILL BE REPLACED IN EACH PLACE, THE OPERATION OF EACH WINDOW, ET CETERA.
NONE OF THE ATTIC VENTS OR WINDOWS WOULD BE CHANGED.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH A MAJOR SPAR, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH MEETING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 5TH BY THE BE ROLLS.
UH, THE REPORT OF THAT MEETING IS ATTACHMENT SEVEN OR SIX, UH, AND NO ONE ATTENDED.
UM, THE PROJECT WAS PUBLISHED TO THE ARGUS COURIER AND A MAILED NOTICE WAS SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, AND ONE ONSITE SIGN WAS INSTALLED.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM A NEIGHBOR EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THE GENERAL PLAN 2025 DESIGNATION OF DIVERSE LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROVIDES US WITH A MAXIMUM DENSITY OR UNITS PER EQUAL ACRE PERMISSIBLE.
THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY AT ALL, SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT DESIGNATION.
THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE PROJECT, IN THAT IT PRESERVES THE OVERALL SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT PROTECTS HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, SIGNIFICANT TO PETALUMA'S CHARACTER.
THE PROJECT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CHAPTER FOUR R THREE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, INCLUDING LOT SIZE SETBACKS, SITE COVERAGE, HEIGHT LIMIT, OPEN SPACE, FENCING AND LANDSCAPING.
AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, SPECIFICALLY STYLE DESIGN.
THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE ADDITION, UH, NO CHANGES TO THE FRONT FACADE TEXTURE AND MATERIALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL AND THE COLORS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT WAS ALSO EVALUATED FOR ITS COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
WE KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AS DETAILED IN THE HRE, HOWEVER, HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE OVER TIME, AND IN FACT, THEY OFTEN MUST CHANGE TO CONTINUE TO BE USED AND MAINTAINED.
IN THIS CASE, THE ORIGINAL USE WAS AS A FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THE BERGAL WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS A FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH UPGRADES TO BRING IT MORE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR MODERN STANDARDS OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND FUNCTIONALITY.
THE SECRETARY OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR PROVIDES FOUR STANDARDS FOR ALTERATIONS THAT CONSERVE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE PRESERVATION, REHABILITATION RESTORATION, AND RECONSTRUCTION.
IN THIS CASE, THE STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION IS MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, HOWEVER, I AS A STAFF PERSON AM NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE SECRETARY OF OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONED AN ANALYSIS BY THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN THAT PROVIDED THE HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION, ALICE DUFFY HEALY, AND YOU CAN REVIEW HER CONCLUSIONS IN ATTACHMENT FIVE.
SHE FOUND IN ALL CASES THAT THE UM, PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR A REHABILITATION.
SPECIFICALLY THE IN STANDARDS FIVE
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AND SIX, THE PROPOSED NEW WINDOWS WOULD BE CAREFULLY CRAFTED TO REPLICATE THE DESIGN AND APPEARANCE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS DRAWING DIRECTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL AND MAINTAIN THE SAME STYLE PROPORTIONS AND DETAILING AS THOSE IN BRAINER JONES'S DESIGN.FINALLY, IT IS COMPLIANT WITH CQA.
THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT, UH, UNDER SECTIONS 1 5 3 3 1.
UH, IN THAT THE PROJECT INVOLVES MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH SOI SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
AND IT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT PURSUANT TO 1 5 3 0 1 EXISTING FACILITIES IN THAT THE PROJECT PROPOSES MINOR CHANGES IN ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT DO NOT CHANGE ITS USE OR FUNCTION.
NO EXCEPTIONS WOULD PRECLUDE THE USE OF THESE EXCEPTIONS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, APPROVE THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
SUBJECT TO FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL CONTAIN AN ATTACHMENT ONE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
THE HCPC COMMISSION MAY APPROVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION AS IS REQUIRE CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION, FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, CONTINUE THE PROJECT TO A FUTURE HEARING IF THE COMMISSION REQUIRES MORE INFORMATION OR DENY THE PROJECT, IF THE COMMISSION FINDS IT CANNOT MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT TEAM IS PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE WE, UM, AND BEFORE I INVITE THEM TO THE STADIUM TO PROVIDE ANY STATEMENTS THEY PREPARED OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, SORRY, THAT WAS A COMPLETE STATEMENT.
THA GILBERT OF ESTRADA ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING AND ELIZABETH AND ARNOLD, ARNOLD BEAL ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
IS SHE OKAY? OH, OH, SHE CAME BACK.
YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
UH, GOOD EVENING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
UM, THIS WAS A REALLY EXCITING PROJECT FOR US, UH, AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER HERE.
UM, FOR ME TO HAVE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE AND KIND OF SEE THE EVOLUTION OF ONE OF BRAINER JONES PROJECTS WAS A REAL HONOR, UM, UH, HAVING, UH, AS I SAID, BEING A RESIDENCE HERE AND EXPERIENCED A LOT OF HIS BUILDINGS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE TOOK A LOT OF CARE IN TAKING ON THE PROJECT TO MEET THE CLIENT'S NEEDS, UM, HAVE THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS EVOLVE, UM, TO MEET CURRENT ENERGY CODES AND LOOKING FOR MORE ENERGY EFFICIENCY WHILE TRYING TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC NATURE, UM, OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WORKING WITHIN THE CONFINES, UH, OF THE FOOTPRINT.
WE AND VERY INTENTIONALLY STEPPED THE ADDITION BACK ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, TO REMOVE IT AS MUCH AS WE COULD FROM SIGHT LINE, UH, FROM THE STREET.
AND, UM, ALSO WORKED WITH THE, UM, RIDGE LINE AND, AND OVERALL ROOF HEIGHTS TO ALIGN, UM, AND STAY UNDER SOME OF THE EXISTING ROOF LINES AS WELL.
UM, WE, UH, USED A COMPLIMENTARY GABLE ROOF ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS ADDITION, OR ON THIS ADDITION, UM, UH, TO ALIGN WITH THE, UH, ROOF SLOPES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WAS DONE BY BRAINERD JONES.
UM, WE, UH, THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE A NICE COMPLIMENT.
WE ALSO UTILIZE THE HORIZONTAL KIND OF DATUM LINE OF THE BUILDING THAT WHERE THE CLAPBOARD SIDING IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE CARRIED THAT LINE INTENTIONALLY THROUGH THE ADDITION, UM, TO CREATE A CERTAIN LET, UM, THREAD OF CONSISTENCY, BUT THEN WE ALSO CHANGED THE SIDING ABOVE THAT, UM, TO, UM, A, A VERTICAL, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OFFSET AND DIFFERENTIATION TO ALIGN WITH THE SECRETARY, UM, STANDARDS, SECRETARY OF STATE STANDARDS.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL MENTION IS THAT I, I THINK, ELENA, THAT YOU HAD CALLED OUT THAT THERE WAS A, A PORCH LIGHT THAT WE WERE ADDING, AND THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INTENTIONAL
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONE THAT, UH, I THINK, I THINK IN OUR DRAFTING OF IT, THAT MAY HAVE APPEARED, BUT, UH, WE WEREN'T PROPOSING TO MODIFY, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, FRONT OF THE, THE BUILDING
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OTHER THAN THE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS.UM, COMMITTEE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WERE YOU, CAN WE MAKE A COFFEE? YEAH, YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA COUNT? OH, YES, SURE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL HOUSE TO US.
WE LOOKED IN PETALUMA FOR SEVEN YEARS, UH, BEFORE FINDING THIS HOUSE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN SAN JOSE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR OVER 20 YEARS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE LOVE VERY MUCH.
BUT WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY FEEL OF PETALUMA AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN ON OUR RADAR FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.
WE FOUND THIS HOUSE COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
IT WASN'T ON THE MARKET, BUT WE SAID, THIS IS ONE WE WANNA KEEP AN EYE ON.
AND WHEN IT CAME ON THE MARKET IN THE SPRING, WE WERE, WE WERE ELATED, AND IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
UH, OUR INTENTION IN THESE MODIFICATIONS IS THAT WE BOTH LOVE TO COOK AND WE WANT TO CREATE A SPACE WITH THIS SEDITION THAT STRADA HAS, UH, PUT TOGETHER FOR US THAT CAPTURES ONE OF THE CRAFTSMAN PRINCIPLES, AND THAT IS BRINGING NATURE.
WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL YARD BRINGING NATURE INTO THE, INTO THE HOUSE.
AND WITH THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED THIS ADDITION WITH THE GLAZING AND THE WINDOWS ALMOST A, A CONSERVATORY, WE THINK THAT THEY'VE REALLY CAPTURED THAT AND YET MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF A, OF A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT GO FORWARD AND, UM, VERY INTERESTED IN, IN HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK.
I'LL BACK HERE IN CASE I HAVE TO ESCAPE AGAIN.
DO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK? CAN I JUST SEE THE REAR AGAIN? THIS IS THE EXISTING REAR, AND I ASSUME YOU WANTED TO SEE THE PROPOSED REAR? YEAH, THE ADDITION THERE.
I JUST WANNA SEE THE BOARD AND BUTTON.
SO FROM THE SIDE, ON THE SIDE, IT'S THE MOST VISIBLE, THAT BOARD AND BATTEN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT, UH, THAD WAS DISCUSSING ABOUT THE THROUGH LINE OF THE HORIZONTAL SIDING BELOW.
BUT THE CHANGE TO THE HORIZONTAL OR THE VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN, IT'S NOT AS VISIBLE ON THE SIDE BECAUSE MOST OF THIS FACES, UM, WINDOW AND GLASSDOOR AND THE REAR HERE, YOU COULD SEE IT ABOVE THE WINDOWS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, UM, WHEN YOU DO A MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THE, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT A GOAL MAY BE TO MODIFY A STRUCTURE, BUT THEY WANT YOU TO VISUALLY BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE MODIFICATION FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE WITH THE BOARD.
AND BATTEN THEN IS YOU CAN SEE VISUALLY THAT THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL, UM, AND, AND THAT DETAIL THEN ALLOWS YOU TO SEE THAT THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
IS THAT ALSO A DIFFERENT COLOR OR IS THAT JUST HOW IT'S RENDERED IN THE IT'S THE SAME, SAME COLOR.
UH, I KNOW THE INTERIOR IS NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW, BUT THE ORIGINAL CHIMNEY THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN INTERNALLY, DID THAT CHANGE ANYTHING TO THE ROOF AT, AT THAT TIME? DO YOU KNOW? UH, I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UH, WAS MAYBE BACK IN THE KITCHEN AREA.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC? SORRY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, CHIMNEY THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ON THE BACKSIDE, UH, IN THE KITCHEN AREA OR WAS AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, THAT HAS LONG SINCE BEEN REMOVED.
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OUR, OUR, OUR CURRENT DESIGN EFFORT AND DIDN'T AFFECT THE STRUCTURE IN ANY WAY THAT YOU I DON'T BELIEVE SO.I DON'T THINK IT WAS A, IT MAY, UH, I THINK IT'S SHOWING IT THERE.
UM, MASONRY, I THINK WHAT WE'VE, IN LOOKING AT IT WITH A CONTRACTOR, UM, THEY'VE FOUND WHERE THE, THAT LIVED DOWN BELOW THE STRUCTURE, UM, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T, UM, COMPROMISE THE, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE, UH, RESIDENCE ITSELF ON ONE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED PICTURES.
I DID SEE A CHIMNEY ON THE RIGHT.
WAS THAT JUST AN ERROR IN PICTURE OR, UH, MAYBE WE CAN GO TO THAT.
THERE'S ONE, ONE CHIMNEY THAT IS EXISTING.
IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE'RE NOT MODIFYING THAT IN ANY WAY.
UM, BUT WE CAN, MAYBE IT WAS IN, IF WE GO TO THE PERS PERSPECTIVE VIEWS, MAYBE THAT WOULD SHOW IT.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN TOO, IT'S IN THE MAIN ROOM TO THE LEFT ON THE MAIN GREAT ROOM LIVING ROOM.
IT STILL EXISTS AND IT WOULDN'T BE TOUCHED BY THE CURRENT PROJECT.
UM, BUT YOU COULD SEE IT HERE IN THE PERSPECTIVE ON THE LEFT AND BOTH PERSPECTIVES AND HERE YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT WRONG.
AND THE ROOF, UH, MATERIALS CHANGE FROM WHAT, WHAT, UM, IT'S A, IT'S COMPOSITION SHINGLES PRESENTLY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO COMPOSITION SHINGLES.
UH, THEY'RE JUST REROOFING AND IT'S CHANGING COLOR.
IT'S, I THINK A KIND OF A TAN GOLD COLOR NOW, AND IT'S GOING TO A GRAY AND, UH, THE EXTERIOR, UH, EXTERIOR WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION.
I AM, I'M READING LIKE, FOR LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? OR ARE WE TALKING THE SAME WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE FRONT, OR IS IT LIKE ANDREW REFERRED TO TO MAKE A DISTINCTION? UH, WE ARE NOT, UH, WELL, THE, ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WILL BE, UM, REPLACED LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION ARE THE SAME MANUFACTURER CARRYING THROUGH.
UM, UH, AND THE ONLY THING IS I THINK SOME OF THE PROPORTIONS HAVE SHIFTED, UM, AND WE'VE INCORPORATED A FOLDAWAY DOOR, WHICH IS MORE CONTEMPORARY AS WELL, UM, ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE ADDITION GOING OUT ONTO THE DECK.
UM, THE, SO ALL OF THE WINDOWS WOULD BE REPLACED EVEN IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE? YES.
IT'S PROPOSED THAT WE GO TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY, A HIGHER ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, WINDOW SYSTEM THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK A AN IMPORTANT POINT ON THE WINDOWS IS THAT THEY WOULD RETAIN THOSE SAME DESIGN AND THEN THEY, YOU WOULD BE USING A, A WOOD CLAD OR A CLAD WOOD WINDOW.
AND SO THAT DIMENSIONALITY OF THE DESIGN IS ACCURATE AS WELL WITH THAT PRODUCT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S IT'S LIKELY GOING FROM A WOOD WINDOW TO A WOOD CLAD WINDOW, NOT TO A VINYL WINDOW OR A FIBERGLASS WINDOW.
AND WE'VE, UM, THE DETAILING OF THE WINDOWS, UM, WE'VE NOTED EXACTLY THE, THE NUMBER OF LIGHTS AND THE PROPORTIONS OF THOSE LIGHTS WITHIN THE UPPER SECTIONS OF THOSE WINDOWS.
AND WE'RE REPLICATING THAT IN THE, UM, NEW CONTEMPORARY WINDOW.
AND ALINA, IN THE, UH, HISTORIC REVIEW, WILL THE NATIONAL, UH, UH, REGISTRY BE AFFECTED AT ALL BY ANY OF THESE CHANGES IN HER ESTIMATION? IT'S NOW A HISTORIC IN CALIFORNIA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME, BY THE WAY.
SO IT'S A CONTRIBUTOR TO A LOCAL DISTRICT, AND IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING INDIVIDUALLY AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE.
THE DECISION TO LIST A RESOURCE ON THE CALIFORNIA REGISTER IS UP TO ELIZABETH AND ARNOLD BERE OR THE OWNERS TO DO THAT.
UM, WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT IT BE INCLUDED ON THE LIST, BUT IT IS PROTECTED EVEN IF IT IS ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR INCLUSION ON THE LIST, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S ELIGIBLE OR ALREADY ON CALIFORNIA, HOWEVER, NATIONAL REGISTRY IS WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.
UH, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
IT IS REGISTERED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, UM, THROUGH INCLUSION SPECIFICALLY OF THE OAK HILL BREWSTER DISTRICT.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT AS ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSES SO FAR KNOWLEDGEABLE OWNERS DECIDE TO GO AND APPLY FOR NATIONAL.
THERE WOULD BE NO RESTRICTIONS BASED ON THE ADDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, IS MY QUESTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE SO, AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTATION FROM OUR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, UM, AT, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PEER REVIEW THAT WE WOULD GET TWO PERSPECTIVES MM-HMM
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UM, BUT AT THE TIME, NO, WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE INCLUDED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.AND THAT, THAT IS, UM, STANDARD.
IF, IF YOU DETERMINE THAT IF A RESOURCE IS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC RESOURCE AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING, THEN YOU DO A SUBSEQUENT ANALYSIS OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.
THE POINT OF THE, THE SUBSEQUENT ANALYSIS IS TO DETERMINE IF THE MODIFICATIONS WOULD MAKE THE STRUCTURE INELIGIBLE FOR LISTING.
AND SO IN THIS, UH, IN THIS CASE, THE HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS WOULD NOT, UM, CHANGE THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF ITS, UH, ABILITY TO BE LISTED.
THAT'S PROBABLY PRIMARILY BECAUSE YOU COULD REMOVE THAT STRUCTURE AND RETURN, RETURN THE THE HOME TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU STRIVE TO DO AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING UP WITH SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU FOR ASKING ALL OF THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING? YES.
WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
IT'S BEEN POSTED ONLINE, UH, FOR READING, AND IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE IN THE BACK TO READ AS WELL.
JEFF SMITH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND MAKE YOUR COMMENT? THANK YOU.
UM, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS HERE.
UH, MY WIFE AND I LIVE ON KELLER STREET IN 120 YEAR OLD HOME.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS, UM, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE ON KELLER STREET, WE WERE GIVEN A COPY OF SOME RULES, UH, STANDARDS FOR THE PRESERVATION IN OAK HILL DISTRICT, UM, AND SAID THAT WE HAD HAD TO ADHERE TO THESE RULES.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME RULES HERE SPECIFICALLY, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WINDOWS.
UM, SO THREE YEARS AGO WE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT TO REMODEL OUR KITCHEN, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN ONLY SEE THE SOUTH SIDE WINDOWS, WHICH IS A COUPLE OF WINDOWS AT THE FAR BACK OF THE HOME.
THE KITCHEN IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS WHEN IT SITS OFF THE BACK TOWARD ONE SIDE.
UM, WHEN WE DID THE PLANS FOR THE KITCHEN REMODEL, WE ADHERED TO THE RULES AND PLACED, REPLACED OUR 100 AND 20-YEAR-OLD WINDOWS WITH WOOD SASH WINDOWS.
UM, CUSTOM MADE WOOD SASH WINDOWS PER THE GUIDANCE REQUIREMENTS, SAME STYLE WINDOW AND MATERIALS.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE A HUNDRED OVER A HUNDRED YEAR OLD WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS OR CLAD WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALUMINUM CLAD, WHICH DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THESE RULES THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND TOLD WE HAD TO ADHERE TO.
AND THEN WE DID, AND WE WERE REJECTED FOR CLAD WINDOWS ON OUR KITCHEN THAT LOOKED NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE WOOD WINDOWS AND VERY OUT OF VIEW.
BUT WE HAD TO PUT IN WOOD WINDOW REPRODUCTIONS.
I UNDERSTAND CLAD WINDOWS ARE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, THEY REQUIRE MUCH LESS SERVICE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA LAST A LOT LONGER.
I WOULD'VE LOVED TO USE THEM, BUT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, UM, PER THE RULES.
SO THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS THERE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO WAYS YOU, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT.
ONE IS, YOU, YOU REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO REPLACE, SAME WITH SAME I SAID WE LIKE WITH LIKE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE, BUT IT'S CLAD.
UM, SO WOOD WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS, OR YOU CAN MODIFY THIS TO TELL EVERYBODY IN OAK HILL THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW FOR CLAD WINDOWS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T SEEM THEY ARE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MAKING AN EXCEPTION HERE, AND I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
UM, CAN WE DISCUSS THAT? IS IS, CAN WE, UM, I, I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING YOUR QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NERVOUS.
UM, CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
WE DO HAVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ARE THERE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS OUR ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SHOULD I ALSO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, ANDREW, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? AND I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND, AND, UH,
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THE, THE, THE SUBJECT OF WINDOWS IS, I THINK IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS, IS A HOTLY DEBATED TOPIC.THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO CLEAR, UM, OR DEFINITIVE, UH, STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS.
UM, AND SO A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.
ONE IS THAT THE, THE POLICIES REGARDING WINDOWS CAN CHANGE.
UM, YOU COULD HAVE A REQUIREMENTS, SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD START WITH A REQUIREMENT THAT A WOOD WINDOW BE REPLACED WITH A WOOD WINDOW.
UM, AND THAT COULD WORK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND THEN TECHNOLOGY AND CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGIES AND SUCH WOULD RESULT IN WOOD CLAD WINDOWS BEING AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW CHOICE.
AND, AND SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR POLICIES, HAVE YOUR, YOUR GUIDELINES AND DOCUMENTS KEEP UP WITH THAT.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ALWAYS KEEP UP WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A CASE HERE.
UH, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE SEEN WINDOW TECHNOLOGY EVOLVE.
WE KNOW THAT WITH CLAD WINDOWS, UM, CAN BE A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT FOR AN, AN ALL WOOD WINDOW.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER FACTOR IS THIS PROJECT HAS RECEIVED A HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION.
AND SO THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN ANALYZED, AND WE ARE HERE BEFORE HCPC, UM, IN A DISCRETIONARY ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN MAKE THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL DECISION, UH, WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW THE WOOD CLAD WINDOWS.
SO I, I, I FEEL THAT OUR PROCESS IS APPROPRIATE AND, AND THE ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE, BUT I ALSO DO, UM, AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DO NEED TO REVISIT THE STANDARDS, UH, THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS AND REVIEW OUR POLICIES ON, UH, THE TYPES OF WINDOW REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED, UM, PERHAPS WITH THE PRECEDENTS FROM PUBLIC HEARINGS SUCH AS THIS AND OTHERS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW WOOD CLAD WINDOWS, UM, AS A LIKE, FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT WITHOUT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE ABOUT WINDOWS OR, OR HOW POLICIES EVOLVE.
SO IS THE CURRENT POLICY, IS THERE A DEFINITION OF LIKE, FOR LIKE, SINCE I WAS, I GUESS I ASSUMED THAT BECAUSE IT HAD GONE THROUGH AND IT WAS APPROVED THAT LIKE, FOR LIKE, DID INCLUDE CLAD, AND SO I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THAT.
BUT IS, IS THAT A GRAY AREA? IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S AS, AS HAS COME UP.
EITHER IT WAS ONCE GRAY AND IT WAS ONCE A HARD NO, AND IT IS NO LONGER A NO.
AND IT IS NOW GRAY, BUT WE PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MORE OFFICIALLY CLARIFY.
IS THAT WHAT I'M SORT OF SUMMARIZING? SURE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE PROBABLY, IF WE LOOK BACK AT SORT OF THE EVOLUTION OR THE HISTORY OF THE WINDOW QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAD ALL WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH WERE STANDARD BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE PRIMARY MATERIAL THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO BE USED.
THEN I THINK LIKELY THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF WINDOWS WAS TO GO TO A VINYL WINDOW OR A FIBERGLASS WINDOW.
AND WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE WINDOWS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, ONIONS EMBEDDED BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IN A DUAL PANE WINDOW.
YOUR ONIONS ARE EMBEDDED BETWEEN THEM AS OPPOSED TO THE PAIN BEING LOCATED WITHIN THE ONION OR HELD BY THE ONIONS.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF FACTORS AT PLAY THERE.
ONE IS VISUALLY YOU DON'T HAVE A, LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT IF YOU'RE GOING TO A VINYL OR FIBERGLASS WINDOW, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE APPROACH TO, UH, THE WINDOW DESIGN IS DIFFERENT.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED OR, OR HAD HAPPENED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WAS THE DIMENSIONALITY OF THE SASHES OF THE ONIONS AND SUCH WAS QUITE A BIT NARROWER THAN, OR SMALLER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A WOOD WINDOW.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THEM, LIKE FOR, LIKE, EVEN IF YOU ACHIEVED A SIMILAR DESIGN, IT WOULDN'T READ THE SAME BECAUSE THE DIMENSIONALITY OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED WAS, WOULD OFTENTIMES BE DIFFERENT.
SO YOU, YOU CAN LOOK AT LIKE, FOR LIKE, AND SAY, WELL, ARE YOU REQUIRING REPLACEMENT OF THE SAME MATERIALS OR CAN YOU ACHIEVE THE SAME APPEARANCE BUT WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL? AND SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN OBSERVING IS THAT A WOOD CLAD WINDOW, WHICH IS A WOOD WINDOW, IT'S CLAD WITH A ALUMINUM, WHICH THEN HELPS WITH THE DURABILITY AND, AND, UH, REDUCES, UM, THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED WITH THAT WOOD CLADDING, WE DO FIND THAT THE DIMENSIONALITY IS MOST SIMILAR.
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AND SO YOU GET THAT VISUAL LIKE FOR LIKE, COMPARISON THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, UH, MORE SPECIFIC AND MORE ACCURATE.AND SO THAT'S BEEN ONE REASON WHY WOOD CLAD WINDOWS, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO, UM, MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WOOD CLOUD WINDOWS AS BEING A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT.
NOW THERE ARE, THERE ARE CASES WHERE, UH, VINYL AND FIBERGLASS WINDOW MANUFACTURERS ARE ALSO SAYING NOW THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DESIGN AND REPRODUCE WINDOWS THAT CAN REPLICATE THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS IN TERMS OF DIMENSIONALITY AND APPEARANCE, THAT MAY BE THE CASE.
WE'RE STILL NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT RECEIVING AS MANY APPLICATIONS FOR THAT OR REQUESTS FOR THAT.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T HAVE PRECEDENTS FOR ALLOWING A WOOD OR FIBERGLASS WIN, OR I'M SORRY, A VINYL OR FIBERGLASS WINDOW TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR A WOOD OR A WOOD CLAD WINDOW.
SO, SO THAT'S SORT OF, I THINK THE HISTORY OF, OF THAT LIKE FOR LIKE, BUT WHAT WE ALSO HAVE GOING ON HERE IS A BIT OF, THROUGH THIS DISCRETIONARY PROCESS ANALYSIS THAT'S SUPPORTED BY, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION OF A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL AND THE DECISION OF THE HCPC, WE CAN START TO ESTABLISH PRECEDENTS THAT CAN INFORM, UM, HOW WE, HOW WE REVIEW FUTURE RE FUTURE REQUESTS FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS SUCH AS A REPLACEMENT OF A SINGLE WINDOW OR A COUPLE OF WINDOWS IN A RESIDENCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, IF HCPC WOULD CHOOSE TO, UM, APPROVE THIS PROJECT THIS EVENING WITH, UH, CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, THEN THAT STARTS TO ESTABLISH PRECEDENCE OF HOW WE INTERPRET THAT POLICY AND APPLY THAT POLICY THAT, THAT COULD ENCOURAGE US AND, AND, UH, SHOULD ENCOURAGE US THEN TO GO BACK TO THOSE OAK HILL BREWSTER STANDARDS, THE A STREET STANDARDS AND SUCH, AND REVIEW OUR POLICIES AND GUIDELINES FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT TO UPDATE THEM, TO ALLOW A GREATER VARIETY OF, OF WINDOW TYPES, UM, TO BE, TO BE USED IN, IN, UM, UH, WINDOW REPLACEMENT SCENARIOS.
GIVEN THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENT.
COULD I REQUEST THAT STAFF, UH, DO THAT IN, UH, I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE DOING NOW MM-HMM
BUT AT LEAST PUT THAT THE REVIEW IS PENDING ON, ON THOSE DETAILS OF THOSE STANDARDS IN LIKE DOCUMENTS.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT REQUEST.
AND ACTUALLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WILL BE ADOPTED.
THAT GIVES US, OR YEAH, ADOPTED THAT WILL, THAT GIVES US POLICY GUIDANCE ON HOW TO GO ABOUT AMENDING REGULATIONS AND SO FORTH.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, ADD THAT TO OUR LIST OF, UM, OF AMENDMENT CONSIDERATIONS FOR OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED TO, TO EXPLORE FURTHER.
I, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE RESIDENT FOR BRINGING THAT CONCERN FORWARD.
UM, CAN I ASK, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WITH THE OTHER RESIDENT ON OAK STREET, WEREN'T THEY REPLACING THEIR WINDOWS AS WELL? AND WERE THEY ALSO WOOD CLAD? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
IS IT OKAY? I YOU WANT, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE? THE RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENCY ON KENT STREET WAS BUILT IN 1950S.
THE RULES APPLY TO RESIDENTS BUILT PRIOR TO 1930, WHICH WOULD APPLY TO THIS HOUSE ON OAK.
I, I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING, WE, WE REVIEWED A HOUSE.
NO, NO, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
I APPRECIATE YOU WILLING, BEING WILLING TO JUMP IN.
I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO OUR LAST HCPC MEETING, CORRECT.
WHERE WE HAD SIMILAR, UH, WINDOWS THAT CAME UP FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD TO NOTE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION SECTION HAS CLOSED, BUT CAN I CLARIFY? I, I, I UNDERLINED MANY TIMES I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPORTIONS OF WINDOWS AND THE REPLICA OF WINDOWS, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN GREAT DETAIL.
BUT CAN, CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE LAST TIME THAT THE, THE LIGHTS ARE PROPORTIONAL AND THE, THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW THAT FILLS THE WINDOW FRAME IS ALSO THE SAME PROPORTIONS AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS? BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST, YES.
I'VE SEEN LOTS OF OLD HOUSES WHERE THE WINDOWS HAD TO GET SMALLER.
YOU SEE THE FRAMING SITTING INSIDE THE ORIGINAL FRAMING, IT'S ALL WITHIN THE WINDOWS,
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UH, WILL BE THE SAME SIZE.UM, AND THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME LIGHT CONFIGURATIONS, UM, AND SAME SIZE AND PROPORTIONS AND LIGHT CONFIGURATIONS.
UM, AS WELL AND FUNCTIONALITY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE THAT WE SAID WERE CHANGING.
UM, AND THEY WERE ON SECONDARY ELEVATIONS, NOT STREET ELEVATION.
IT WAS LIKE THE EAST SIDE SIDE WINDOWS, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION TIME, THINGS THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES BEFORE WE, I, I BRING US TOGETHER TO MOTION IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE CHARACTER, BUT I THINK IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL ON ADDING TO THE, THE EXISTING HOME.
SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC?
ANY THINGS YOU WANT TO BRING UP TO DISCUSS JUST AMONGST US, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON MICROPHONES? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE TAKES A LITTLE GETTING USED TO.
I'VE ALSO USED THESE WINDOWS A LOT IN PROJECTS AND THEY'RE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE A REP, A REPLICA.
ALTHOUGH I, UM, I EMPATHIZE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT COMMENT.
AND SO I'M, I'M, I REALIZE I, I ACTUALLY HAVE MORE OF AN ISSUE WITH THE ACCORDION GLASS SLIDING DOOR OFF THE BACK, BUT, UM, BEING THAT IT'S NOT VIS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, UM, I THINK IT'S OKAY.
I THINK THAT, UM, IT FEELS VERY MODERN, BUT IT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, UM, AND IT'S IN THAT ADDITION, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT IS.
SO OBVIOUSLY IN ADDITION, WHILE STILL BEING FRIENDLY, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S SORT OF SYMPATHETIC TO THE HOME.
WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE, I'M GOING TO, UM, REQUEST A MOTION TO VOTE IF YOU, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T FLIPPED YOUR PAPERS OVER ALREADY.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE APPROVING THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING WAIT.
SHORTER ON 1908, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE INCLUDING A 450 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR RAISED DECK AND PERLA AND LIKE-FOR-LIKE, REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND FINISHES LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 5 28 OAK STREET, A PN 0 0 6 2 2 11 CITY RECORD NUMBER PL LSR 20 25 18.
AND WAIVE FURTHER READING OF THE TEXT.
MAY WE CONDUCT A VOTE PLEASE? COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL AYE.
AND I'M GOING TO CLOSE MEETING ITEM FOUR AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA CHAIR.
BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, THAT THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY DECISION AND IT IS SUBJECT TO, UM, AN APPEAL PERIOD.
UH, THE APPLICANT OR ANY INTERESTED PARTY MAY FILE AN APPEAL WITHIN 14 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE DECISION COMMENCING WITH TOMORROW'S DATE.
AND, UH, THAT APPEAL WOULD BE FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK AND IT WOULD BE AN APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF, UH, IF ANYONE IS, IS, UH, INTERESTED IN DOING THAT OR, OR, UM, FEELS THAT, THAT THEY DO NEED TO APPEAL THIS DECISION, THEY THERE IS THE APPEAL PERIOD.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DOES ANYBODY
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WANT TO PRESENT ANYTHING WHILE WE'RE MEETING TODAY OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAT, OTHER THAN THE ITEMS WE'VE DISCUSSED OR ANY ADDITIONAL INVITES EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER IN TURN? OH, OKAY.UM, I WISH I COULD SEE YOUR, I KNOW YOUR FIRST NAMES, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, MCMICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.
UNBELIEVABLY, BUT
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NO, I, I DO THINK THE WINDOW IS A, IT'S IS A, AN ISSUE THAT'S GONNA KEEP COMING UP.UM, AND WE SHOULD GET MORE CLARIFICATION ON COMMITTEE MEMBER SQUIRREL.
UH, I DO, I DO APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE WINDOWS THIS EVENING AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD AND, AND THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, CERTAINLY WE WILL BE INCLUDING THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND THE SUBSEQUENT WORK THAT WE'LL DO ON THE ZONING CODE UPDATE.
UM, IT, IT OCCURS TO ME DURING THE CONVERSATION THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THE, WHEN HCPC WORKED ON THE, THE GENERAL PLAN REVIEW, I MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AS WELL AS DID EXTENSIVE WORK ON SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO ZONING CODE UPDATES THE STAFF SHOULD CONSIDER.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE MEMBERS, IN FACT, I KNOW ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT, UM, COMMITTEE.
AND SO I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS FIND AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO PRESENT SOME OF THAT WORK THAT WAS DONE SO THAT, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHERE SOME OF THOSE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE, AS WELL AS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO WE'LL LOOK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT THEN, UM, HERE PERHAPS AT THE NEXT MEETING OR CERTAINLY BY MARCH.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT FORMER COMMITTEE MEMBER VAN OIN STOPPED BY TO SHARE ABOUT PLANS FOR A HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH IN MAY.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS A TON OF ACTIVITIES THAT, THAT ARE OFFERED THROUGH THE MUSEUM AND, AND THROUGH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY.
AND SO IT WILL BE GREAT TO CONTINUE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, OTHER, UH, ACTIVITIES OR, UH, INVITATIONS TO REPORT.
I BELIEVE IT IS TIME TO ADJOURN.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT WHAT LOOKS LIKE 6:35 PM DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION THOUGH? 6 25, SORRY.
IS A MOTION REQUIRED FOR THAT? NO, NO.