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[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 8TH, 2026.UH, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES.
ASHLEY? UH, HERE EL CAMP, ABSENT GARDY? HERE.
THORS IS ABSENT AND TRIPS HERE.
I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PEOPLE RIGHT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT EITHER.
UM, WE DON'T, DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS? YEAH.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE DECEMBER 11TH, 20, 25 MINUTES.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
OKAY THEN WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.UM, ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION OF THE FREQUENCY AND FOCUS OF FUTURE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETINGS.
UH, PATRICK, I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA SURE I CAN KICK US OFF.
THANK YOU CHAIR ASHLEY, AND WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR MEETING HERE.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION AT THE, JUST FOR A LITTLE REALLY QUICK RECAP.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS PER YEAR SO THAT IN THOSE INTERVENING MONTHS, COMMISSIONERS COULD TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE AS A LIAISON AND, UM, PARTNER TO THE OTHER CCBS AND COMMUNITY GROUPS TO SPREAD THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BLUEPRINT OF FOR CLIMATE ACTION AND ENCOURAGE CLIMATE ACTION IN THOSE OTHER FORUMS. UM, SO THE REDUCTION WAS TO APPROXIMATELY SIX TIMES PER YEAR.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T QUITE SETTLE ON THE PATTERN.
THERE WAS, UM, SOME DISCUSSION OF TWO MONTHS CONSECUTIVELY AND TWO MONTHS OFF, AND THEN TWO MONTHS AND SO ON OR EVERY OTHER MONTH.
UM, AND, AND THE OTHER, EVERY OTHER MONTH, UM, PATTERN WAS SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES BECAUSE HE HAS ANOTHER MEETING THAT TAKES PLACE EVERY OTHER MONTH DURING THAT TIME.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT SO WE CAN KIND OF PUT THE CADENCE OUT THERE AND GET PEOPLE, UM, ADJUSTED TO THAT AND, UH, AND, UH, GET EVERYBODY TO MARK THOSE ON THEIR CALENDARS.
AND THEN SEPARATELY, ALSO INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS AN ATTACHMENT IS THE, UM, SCHEDULE OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE'S, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS OUT THERE.
UM, AND WHILE WE DON'T NEED TO PUT IT IN A RESOLUTION AND FORMALIZE IT, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO BE THINKING ABOUT AND MAYBE EVEN COMMITTING TO ATTENDING OTHER, UH, MEETINGS.
UM, SO THAT DURING THOSE EVERY OTHER MONTHS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF PARTICIPATION IN.
UM, SO WE CAN DO THAT, UH, GOAL, MEET THAT GOAL OF SPREADING THE INFORMATION AND WORKING MORE COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR OTHER CITY FUNCTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, UM, JUST THOSE, THOSE TWO KIND OF ITEMS, WHAT'S THE CADENCE OF THE MEETINGS? AND, UM, THE MEMBERS WANT TO VOLUNTEER, UM, AND COORDINATE THOSE WITH THOSE OTHER CCB MEETINGS, UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLAPPING.
WE DON'T HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND, UH, HEAR THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON THIS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS, IS THERE A SCHEDULE PUBLISHED? I'M SORRY.
YES, THERE'S UH, THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT.
OR, UH, MORGAN, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ZOOM REAL QUICK? I HAVE A PAPER VERSION.
YEAH, IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT COPY I DO HAVE ACCESS TO.
I SHARED WITH, DO YOU WANNA TELL ME WHAT THAT UH, THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL, UM, IF ANYBODY ELSE, OH NO, I JUST, SOME LIKE THE MONTHS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING OH, OH, OH, IS THAT, OH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
IT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK THE, THE ONE THAT WOULD WORK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES WOULD BE JANUARY, MARCH, MAY, JULY, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER.
AND OTHERWISE IT COULD BE ANOTHER CADENCE LIKE JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND THEN, UH, MAY, JUNE OR JUNE JULY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, UM, IT'S TWO MONTHS ON, TWO MONTHS OFF.
SO YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I WROTE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I DIDN'T, UM, PUT A, A GRAPHIC ON THAT.
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THE HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET GENERALLY TAKE PLACE IN MAY AND JUNE.AND THE PREPARATION FOR THAT, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, IT'S STARTING UP NOW, SO.
I MEAN, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE MARCH ONE FOR THAT OR JUNE, MARCH.
MARCH AND JUNE WAS THE PROPOSAL MARCH.
WELL, SO ONE PROPOSAL WAS JANUARY, MARCH, MAY.
SO MAYBE BASICALLY EVERY MONTH, EVERY OTHER MONTH STARTING JANUARY.
SO JANUARY, MARCH, MAY, JULY, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER.
ANOTHER PROPOSAL WAS DUE LIKE JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
UM, AND THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT IS THAT IN FEBRUARY WE CAN, WE CAN APPROVE TOGETHER THE, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE FOR COUNCIL, COUNCIL.
UM, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN HAVE, AND THEN HAVE TWO MORE, WHICH I THINK WAS LIKE MAY, JUNE AND THEN TWO MORE, WHICH WAS LIKE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER OR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, I THINK ACTUALLY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
ANOTHER, THE THIRD OPTION THAT I KNOW OF THAT I THINK IS THE LEAST FAVORED BECAUSE IT'S HARDER FOR STAFF IS TO, IS TO HAVE THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, WHOEVER THAT IS, UM, WORKING WITH THE CITY TO ESTABLISH WHATEVER MAKES SENSE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE LEAST FAVORED BECAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S HARD FOR ALL OF US TO PLAN AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PLAN.
SO I THINK THE, THE TOP TWO ARE EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SORT OF TWO MONTHS, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MAY, JUNE AND SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, KNOWING THAT THAT OPTION POTENTIALLY HAS A CONFLICT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SRI IS SCHEDULED.
AND IS, SO YOUR MEETING IS, UM, IS IT LIKE FEBRUARY, APRIL, JUNE? IS IT LIKE THAT? I THINK SO, YEAH.
YOU, YOU MAY HAVE THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL SCHEDULE ON THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD US IT WAS FEBRUARY, APRIL.
WELL, I LIKE THE OTHER EVERY OTHER MONTH THEN, I GUESS.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, I MEAN THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN TIMELINE IS, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE, I GUESS THE MAY ONE TO FOCUS ON THAT.
MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I DON'T KNOW.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT.
THE GENERAL PLAN IS, IS, UH, IN PROGRESS AND LOOKING AT THE SIX TO NINE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE IN THAT RANGE.
UM, IF I'M RE SEE IT BEFORE THAT.
IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THERE MAY BE AN INTERIM CHECK IN WITH COUNCIL IN THE MARCH TIMEFRAME.
SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY IT, IT WON'T BE A FINALIZED VERSION, BUT IT'LL BE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE FOR EVERYBODY TO DIGEST AND POTENTIALLY COMMENT ON.
UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THE DISCUSSION, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HONING IN ON AN ANSWER HERE.
WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? NO.
THEN, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANY OTHER, OTHERWISE WE CAN MOVE IT FULL ON DISCUSSION.
SEEMS LIKE THE FAVORITE OPTION, I KNOW FOR AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE IS EVERY OTHER MONTH STARTING IN JANUARY.
DO, DO OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THE MATTER? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
DO WE NEED TO VOTE OR NO? I DON'T THINK IT HURTS
I I THINK IT'S JUST DIRECTION TO STAFF SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE THE MEETINGS IN, IN THAT CADENCE.
AND IF IT'S EVERY OTHER MONTH, THAT'S FINE.
I, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY, IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UH, WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS MEETING EVERY, LIKE FOLLOWING THE MEETING FROM LAST MONTH, DECIDING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT SIX TIMES A YEAR INSTEAD OF 12 TIMES.
AND THEN USE THAT TIME IN ORDER TO BE MORE ACTIVE IN ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION AND SEEING WHAT OTHER CCBS ARE DOING.
SO THAT'S THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS DECISION.
UM, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERY OTHER MONTH STARTING IN JANUARY FOR THE 2026 YEAR.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, SAY, AYE.
DO I NEED A SECOND? OH YEAH, SORRY.
AND ALL IN FAVOR, PROCLAMATION.
AND THAT'S I EVERYBODY, SO COOL.
UM, OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM, DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CCBS? CCBS? YEAH.
SO LET'S, UM, WE WERE THINKING, AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FILL IN FOR ME IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH, BUT THAT, UM, WITH PART OF, WITH THIS NEWFOUND TIME THAT WE ALL HAVE
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BE DOING A BIT OF A COMMITMENT TO GO TO SOME OF THESE OTHER CCBS.UM, AND SO WE HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY THE MOST RELEVANT WOULD BE DO ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL OR? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK THE ONES THAT, UM, HAVE THE DIRECT, THE MOST DIRECT TIE IN WITH THE BLUEPRINT, UM, WOULD BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, TREE COMMITTEE AND RMPC.
THOSE ARE KIND OF BACK TO BACK ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAYS, PAC, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL LIAISON, BUT ALSO IF OTHER MEMBERS WANT TO ATTEND COUNCIL MEETINGS AS WELL, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE, THE MOST RELEVANT ONES TO THE, THE BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION.
I'LL ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY, YEAH, THE PLANNING, UH, ARE WE CONSIDERING GPAC AS PART OF THIS OR YEAH.
I'M SORRY THAT ONE HAS A LIMITED TERM, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO THROUGH MOST OF THE YEAR.
JUST GIVEN THE, THE GENERAL PLAN, IT SEEMS IMPORTANT TO, UH, SO YEAH, I, I I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION, BUT GPAC DOES SEEM LIKE A GOOD ONE.
SO ANY, ANY, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE NOT FIGHTING ME ON THIS REALLY HARD, SO,
WHAT IS PSAC? UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE? SO, PAC, JUST TO FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, BICYCLE HAS ACTUALLY THREE OF THEIR OWN AD HOCS.
ONE OF THEM IS BIKE FRIENDLY BUSINESSES, ONE OF 'EM IS STREET AND TRAIL DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS WAY FINDING, WHICH IS THAT LIKE MAPPING.
UM, SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THREE AD HOCS AND, AND I GATHER WOULD WELCOME A CLIMATE ACTION MEMBER.
PROBABLY THE, ANY OR ALL OF THEM.
AND, AND WE, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE AT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WITH OUR AD HOCS AND HAVING THOSE BREAKOUT GROUPS AND THEN COMING BACK HAS BEEN EMULATED BY PAC.
THEY LIKED, THEY LIKED WHAT WE STARTED.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING IT THERE TOO.
SO JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES.
UM, OKAY, SO WE GOT, DAVID WANTS TO GO TO THE GPAC MEETINGS.
JOHN'S GONNA TRANSIT ONE TRANSIT, WHICH I DON'T, I I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE, THE, UH, CITY'S WEBSITE MM-HMM
I DON'T SEE ANY GPAC MEETINGS IS THAT THEY GENERALLY TAKE PLACE ON THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH AT SIX 30.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE A NOTE IN MY CALENDAR.
SO THAT WOULD BE NEXT THURSDAY.
AND OF COURSE I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN.
I, THAT'S THE THING IS LIKE I, WITH MY WORK, I JUST TRAVEL A DECENT AMOUNT, SO I'M ALSO JUST, I WANT TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO SIGN, SIGN MYSELF UP OR SOMETHING.
THEN I GUESS REALLY THE, THE QUESTION IS IT IT YOU FIND AN ALTERNATE FOR THE ONE OR TWICE THAT YOU'RE NOT THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, I COULD, I, COULD I HELP AND GO TO LIKE, PLANNING THIS TIME? ALTHOUGH THE PLANNING LOOKS LIKE IT'S CANCELED FOR NEXT WEEK.
THAT SOME OF THESE ARE PRETTY, UM, THE GPAC.
SO IF YOU CAN'T GO, LET ME KNOW AND I CAN GO.
YOU CAN SIGN ME UP FOR GPAC FOR FUTURE MONTHS.
SORRY, WHERE ARE THE DATES AGAIN? I CAN'T FIND THIS.
UM, YOU WANNA LOOK AT THIS, THIS, SO IT'S LIKE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, UH, MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
AND THEN IN THE TIMES, SO THERE'S THE ONES THAT ARE, THERE'S A BICYCLE COMMITTEE WHICH HAS THOSE THREE AD HOCS, RMPC IS HELP ME OUT HERE.
PARKS, UH, RECREATION MUSIC RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS COMMISSION AND YEAH.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING A TRASH FREE CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE SOME HELP WITH SOME, SOME CLIMATE ACTION SUPPORT ON.
UM, AND BEN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS TRANSIT HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO HELP WITH MODE SHIFT FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
SO IT'S GREAT THAT, THAT'S INTERESTING TO YOU.
UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO FEEDBACK BACK, BUT IF YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE, THE BICYCLE COMMISSION, YOU CAN HAVE TWO, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
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FINE.I'M JUST TRYING TO, LIKE, I JUST GOT MY SCHEDULE DONE FOR LIKE NEXT SEMESTER, SO I'M TRYING TO LIKE, SEE, SEE WHAT'S THERE.
UH, SO, SO I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE KIND OF A GOOD IDEA TO REALLY PUT SOME IN THE BONES OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WHEN WE'RE ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS? WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION? ARE WE REPORTING BACK WHAT THEY'RE DOING? ARE WE ADVOCATING, UH, YOU KNOW, OR, OR WHAT IS IT THAT YEAH, WE WANNA GET OUT OF GOING TO THESE MEETINGS? WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE THAT'S MM-HMM
UM, I MEAN, MY QUICK ANSWER WOULD BE LIKE, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE HELPING TO IMPLEMENT THE BLUEPRINT BY PART, LIKE PARTICIPATING AND STAYING APPRISED OF WHAT ALL OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS ARE DOING.
BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER OBJECTIVES FOR THE, UM, TREE COMMITTEE WHEN I WAS, UH, THERE AS CHAIR, UH, WE ALSO HAD TWO LIAISONS, SO ONE FROM PARKS AND REC AND ONE FROM PLANNING COMMISSION WHO WOULD THEN SHOW UP AND THEN PARTICIPATE AT, ON, ON THE DS WITH, WITH THE GROUP.
SO THEY WERE A PART OF THAT OFFICIALLY.
SO, BUT THEIR JOB WAS ALSO TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP SO THAT THEY WOULD BRING THE INFORMATION BACK BOTH WAYS AND EXCHANGE THE INFORMATION.
UM, AND ALSO IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERNS THAT COULD BE RAISED THAT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE OTHER GROUP, THAT THEY WOULD BRING 'EM FORWARD.
SO IT'S MORE OF A A AND THAT WAS A, LIKE MORE LIKE A PARTNERSHIP TYPE THING GOING ON.
WHEREAS IF WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, THERE BEING PART OF THE PUBLIC COMING IN, BUT BASICALLY HAVING A SAY NOW AND THEN, AND JUST REPORTING BACK TO US WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT ALSO WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, I'M ON THE COMMISSION HERE WITH CLIMATE AND THIS TOPIC IS IMPORTANT TO US ALSO, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ON THIS TOPIC.
SO ACTUALLY SHARING OUT WHAT WE THINK AS A GROUP TO THAT ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS BRINGING THE REPORT BACK HERE AND THEN SEEING, AND THEN SEEING IS THERE SOME PARTNERSHIPS WE CAN MAKE TO DO WHAT WE WANNA DO, UH, IN THE ADVOCACY AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS TO, THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING.
AND I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A BLUEPRINT ON US? LIKE A, ARE WE GOING TO PREACH FROM THE BOOK? LIKE, IT'S LIKE THE, I THINK THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN I REALLY HAVE IS LIKE, I HAVE MY OPINIONS ON HOW BEST TO, WELL, OFFICIALLY, YOU, YOU ARE OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE, THE ACTUAL BLUEPRINT THAT WE HAVE IN PRINT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR PROMOTING THAT.
AND SO AS LONG AS IT'S IN THAT, AS LONG AS IT'S THEN YOU'RE PROMOTING THAT, YOU'RE NOT TO TAKE A PER, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY UPFRONT, HEY, I'M, I, EVEN THOUGH I'M PART OF, THIS IS MY PERSONAL RIGHT.
WHICH MAY NOT BE THE GROUP'S OPINION.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF STATEMENTS.
I'M MOSTLY PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
I'M JUST LIKE, YEAH, LOOK WHAT, WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE TWO DIFFERENT REPRESENTING THIS REGROUP AND THEN REPRESENTING YOURSELF.
SO I THINK, SO IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, LIKE WHAT I WOULD NEED TO DO BEFORE I GO TO THESE MEETINGS, LIKE A STUDY, THE AGENDA OF WHAT THEY'RE WORK, WHAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE TALKING ABOUT, AND SEEING HOW IT CORRESPONDS TO A SPECIFIC, UH, ACTION IN THE BLUEPRINT.
AND THEN BEING, HAVING THAT WITH ME TO THEN RELAY IT, I RELAY TO THEM AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
IT SAYS, OKAY, BY THE WAY, THERE, THERE'S A BLINK ISSUE.
WELL HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT YOU AT LEAST LET 'EM KNOW YOU WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GIVE COMMENT.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ALL THE ISSUES THERE.
AND USUALLY IT'S A PRETTY LOOSER GROUP THAN, THAN A FORMAL GROUP LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE, UM, IT'S NOT AT THE DS.
IT'S USUALLY IN A FORMAT WHERE IT'S LIKE IN A CIRCLE.
WELL, DPAC YEAH, DPAC THE PLANNING, FOR INSTANCE, PLANNING IS, IS DIFFERENT.
PLANNING IS, IS A FORMALIZED, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMAL.
SO THAT PARTICULAR GROUP, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY TO STEP IN.
THANKS FOR, UH, HELPING CLARIFY SOME OF THAT.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND, AND SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WOULD, WOULD STEP IN, BUT ALSO I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WOULD SAY, UM, YOU REMIND ME.
LIKE JUST KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON TOO WITH, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY VALUABLE BECAUSE AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PARTS, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF IMPLEMENTING A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS COMMUNICATION.
AND SO IF, IF WE'RE ALL SORT OF LITTLE MOLES GOING AROUND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT EVERY, WE CAN HELP WITH CONNECTING.
UM, SO WE'RE KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT THEN ALSO IF WE WANT TO, WE COULD BRING SOME OF THAT STUFF HERE.
LIKE WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY COME AND PRESENT ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.
UH, WELL DEFINITELY FOR THE GENERAL PLAN.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING SEEMS SUPER CRITICAL THAT WE WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION AT SOME POINT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE YEAH.
BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ADOPTED THIS YEAR.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAG ALONG TO GPAC IF POSSIBLE.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE TOTALLY WELCOME TO, IF, IF THEY HAVE A MEETING ON THE, ON THIS THIRD THURSDAY.
LIKE, GO FOR IT THIS THURSDAY.
WELL, NO, IT'S, IT WOULD BE THE THIRD THURSDAY.
I, BUT I, BUT DO THEY NOT POST THEIR MEETING? IT WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE WHEN THEY HAVE A MEETING.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PERFECT, UH, TIME TO GO.
AND I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AS
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FAR AS LIKE HOW WE HAVE THE BLUEPRINT WITH US, ARE WE JUST GONNA BRING OUR LAPTOPS? DO WE GET TO HAVE LIKE COOLWELL, I ONLY HALF OF IT, I, I HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN THERE YET, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL JUST BRING A LAPTOPS.
YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY LIMITATION WOULD BE IS YOU CAN'T HAVE FIVE PEOPLE ATTENDED THE MEETING.
SO EVEN IF BOTH OF YOU ATTENDED IT, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, AND EVERYBODY FEEL FREE TO ADD ONTO THIS, BUT, UM, THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE DOING WOULD BE LIKE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, PARTICIPATING IN AD HOCS, GOING TO MEETINGS OF COURSE, AND LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, GENERALLY SUPPORTING THE BLUEPRINT AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON, AND CONSIDER BRINGING SOME COOL STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING FOR PRESENTATION HERE AT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS ON THE LIAISON PIECE, IS THAT IN THE CHARTER OF THE BODY, THOSE POSITIONS? OR IS THAT MORE OF A INFORMAL THING AS LONG AS THEY DON'T VOTE? I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME COMMISSIONS WHERE THAT'S SPECIFIED IN THE BYLAWS, BUT NOT ALL.
WITHOUT MAKING IT A BIG RESEARCH PROJECT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS JUST INFORMAL.
LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING THERE ON BEHALF OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT THE BLUEPRINT, NOT AS A OFFICIAL MEMBER OF THAT OTHER BODY OR OF VOTING.
BUT LIKE THE WHOLE, LIKE, SITTING HERE VERSUS BEING IN THE, THE THREE MINUTE ZONE IS LIKE TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PRODUCTIVITY MM-HMM
UM, BUT IF THAT CAN BE HANDLED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, THAT'S OKAY.
I WOULD JUST, WELL, I THINK IF WE GET THE LIST TOGETHER, WE, LIKE, I CAN TALK WITH THE STAFF LIAISON WITH OKAY.
WITH THOSE OTHER ONES AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE THESE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MAYBE BEING MORE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THERE.
IS THERE LIKE A TIME WHERE YOU COULD CARVE OUT AN ITEM? OR IF THERE'S SOME ITEM THAT WE KNOW THAT'S COMING UP THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, UM, MAYBE THERE COULD BE TIME ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT IT OR, OR AS A QUASI STAFF PRESENTER, I'M NOT SURE.
I'LL, I'LL TALK WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT AT LEAST FOR SURE, GIVING THEM A HEADS UP THAT THESE MEMBERS ARE GONNA BE ATTENDING MORE REGULARLY AND IT'D BE GREAT TO ACCOMMODATE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THEM SO THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEIR TIME THAT YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THIS MEETING IS NOT BEING WELL SPENT AT THOSE OTHER MEETINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I WANTED TO BE HAVING MEETINGS WITH OTHER CCB MEMBERS, LIKE ONE-ON-ONES MM-HMM
LIKE NETWORKING, BASICALLY CCB NETWORKING.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK I THOUGHT WHAT YOU WERE INTERESTED.
UM, I SAID PBA, BUT I'M ALSO, I THINK I'M GONNA TALK TO STACY EARL, UM, WHO'S THE PARKS CHAIR AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT I CAN BE USEFUL THERE.
'CAUSE I, THEY'RE DOING THAT TRASH FREE CAMPAIGN AND STUFF.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE.
RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UM, PATRICK, I ASSUME, YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A PREAMBLE FOR THIS ONE OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH KIND OF CHANGES OF THE MEMBERSHIP, UM, WHERE WE'VE LOST A COUPLE OF MEMBERS LATELY.
UM, AND I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET PROCESS TO HAVE A REPORT OUT, KIND OF A REPORT FROM THE AD HOCS.
UM, AND IN THE STAFF REPORT WE SUGGESTED MAKING IT SOMEWHAT, UM, FORMALIZED THROUGH, THROUGH, THROUGH A REPORT, A WRITTEN REPORT.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF STANDARDIZED AS WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC, UM, POINTS TO GO OVER IN THOSE.
UM, SO LIKE THE SUMMARY OF THE AD HOC TOPIC, THE CROSS REFERENCE TO THE BLUEPRINT SO THAT WE'RE TYING EVERYTHING BACK TO THE BLUEPRINT, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED, THE SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU FOUND THROUGH THAT WORK OF THE AD HOC AND THEN ANY BACKUP DOCUMENTATIONS AND HOW THOSE FINDINGS WERE FORMULATED AND THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
SO, UM, THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE AS A SUGGESTION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO AD HOCS THAT E ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE CARBON GARDENING.
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ANN BAKER WAS, WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CARBON GAR CARBON GARDENING AD HOC.SO I THINK IT'S PRANAV AND HANNAH ARE THE ONLY OTHER MEMBERS NOW.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE AND SUPPORTED
SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ANY QUE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PART? WHAT, WHAT AM I A MEMBER OF? SO THE, THE, THE TWO AD HOCS WERE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE CARBON GARDENING.
AND I BELIEVE YOU AND HANNAH AND ANN BAKER WERE THE MEMBERS OF THAT.
UM, A LOT OF THE WORK, I THINK IN THE CARBON GARDENING AD HOC HAS GONE TO THE WORKING GROUP.
LIKE I KNOW THAT ANN BAKER, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NOT A COMMISSIONER ANYMORE, IS WORKING WITH THE CARBON GARDENING WORKING GROUP, WHICH IS NOT AN AD HOC OF THIS BODY, BUT IT'S, UM, OTHER FOLKS GETTING TOGETHER TO WORK ON THAT SUBJECT.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS A REPORT THAT THAT'S GONNA BE MADE FROM THAT, FROM, FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
AT LEAST I KNOW THAT THERE, THE WORK FROM THE, THE WORKING GROUP IS, IS CONTINUING.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER ONE IS ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHETHER THERE'S A REPORT OUT ON THAT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MET, WE, AFTER THIS MEETING, WE SHOULD TOUCH BASE ON MEETING AGAIN, BUT WE'VE DRAFTED, UM, I'LL SAY THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DON'T HAVE THE LIKE FIVE STEP THING, LIKE THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF WHO'S COMMUNICATED IT, EXACTLY WHAT THAT STAFF REPORT SAID.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MY GOAL AGAIN IS LIKE WE SHOULD MEET IN FEBRUARY AND EVEN ENCOURAGE MORE AD HOC PARTICIPATION.
UM, AND THEN AGENDIZE THAT FOR MARCH FOR A FORMAL DISCUSSION.
AND I DON'T KNOW, ADOPTION MAYBE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ADVANCE OF THE GOAL SETTING WORKSHOP, BECAUSE THAT'S COMING UP QUICKER, I THINK.
BUT AT LEAST RELATED TO THE GOALS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE GOALS, LIKE THE BUDGET.
A LOT OF THESE AREN'T BUDGET ITEMS PER SE, BUT I WILL SAY THE BUDGET PROCESS IS ALSO LIKE THE CITY WORK PLAN PROCESS.
AND THAT ISN'T LIKE TOTALLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE, BUT LIKE, THE DIRECTION OF THE STAFF ON LIKE WHAT CIP PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED OR NOT, BUT LIKE, JUST THE DIRECTION OF THE STAFF TIME IS I THINK, CRITICAL TIME TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, MARCH SO THAT THEY'RE INHERENT.
WE TAKE ANOTHER SWING AT IT IN JUNE.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.
I GUESS I CAN READ THROUGH, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED SO FAR AND GET THE CURRENT GROUP'S FEEDBACK.
IF YOU GUYS LIKE, IT'S, I TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING OR MAYBE TWO MEETINGS AGO, BUT, UM, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I THINK WHAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IS LIKE, LET'S HAVE THESE DATA DOCS MEET BUT'S, WORK ON SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, LET'S GO CITY COUNCIL IN A STRUCTURED WAY THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE LEGS FROM THERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SAYING THAT THE AD HOCS CAN PUT TOGETHER A, THIS, THIS SUMMARY THAT'S OUTLINED IN, IN THE STAFF REPORT OR THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE WE DO A SUMMARY OF THE AD HOC TOPIC, THE PEOPLE INVOLVED FINDINGS, HOW THE FINDINGS WERE GATHERED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND LIKE PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR MARCH.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SIGNING UP FOR.
AND YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SIGNING UP FOR THAT, SO YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT.
I I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE WASTE, UH, FOOD WASTE AD HOC THOUGH.
WE DID THAT ONE, THAT ONE WAS OVER.
SO AM I LIKE SHIFTED TO THIS ONE NOW? OR LIKE, I I THOUGHT THAT YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR IT.
UH, THIS WAS PROBABLY THREE MEETINGS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF, IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN MEETING WITH ANNE ON THAT AND NOT FEELING LIKE YOU HAVE A REPORT TO MAKE ON THAT, THEN I, I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A REPORT TO MAKE.
I I CAN, I CAN MEET WITH ANNE AND CHECK IN THOUGH, BUT
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I DIDN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER SIGNING UP FOR IT.UM, SO LIKE, ON THE TOPIC OF FOOD WASTE, NOT TO INTERJECT, BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE EITHER NOW OR AFTER THIS ONE? IT'S NOT A CURRENT AD HOC, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE COULD DO IT IN COMMENTS.
OR IS IT SOMETHING YOU COULD UPDATE US ON DURING YOUR STAFF COMMENTS? I CAN, YEAH.
THAT WE, THAT'D BE, THAT'S THE VERY AD LAST THING.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE STILL A CARBON GARDENING AD HOC? AND IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE NOT.
SO I THINK IT TURNED INTO A WORKING GROUP.
SO NO EXPECTATION OF GROUP AND HAND.
I CAN STILL PARTICIPATE IN IT IF SHE WANTS TO.
IT'S JUST CALLED A WORKING GROUP.
KINDA LIKE I'M, I'M PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP.
AND I THINK THERE PLASTICS WAS ANOTHER POSSIBLE TOPIC.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT MIGHT MAY OR MAY NOT COME BEFORE COUNCIL AT SOME POINT.
SO, UH, ARE WE, IS THAT ANOTHER POSSIBLE AD HOC GROUP HERE? I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT BEN WANTS ME TO TALK ABOUT IN STAFF COMMENTS.
DOES THAT FEEL WRAPPED UP TO EVERYBODY? OKAY.
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WE'RE ON TO COMMISSION COMMENT.DURING COMMISSION COMMENT, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD ONES OF THOSE IN MARCH AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSION COMMENT? OKAY.
I'VE GOT, UM, THIS IS A PRETTY COOL ONE.
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SHIFTING FROM GAS OR ELECTRIC SORT OF INVESTMENT THAT PG E CAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOCAL GAS HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS NEEDED, BUT AT LEAST UP HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE OF THE SAME ENTITY.AND THEN, THEN ALL THE OTHER TOWNS ON CINEMA CLEAN POWER.
LIKE WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET OUR DECARBONIZATION SO AND SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET THIS OPPORTUNITY SLIP.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE ISN'T MUCH LIKE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE IN A ZONE ZONE AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? LIKE, THAT'S STILL EARLY ENOUGH I THINK OTHER THAN LIKE THEY, I WANT TO IDENTIFY THEM AND THEN THOSE ZONES, THEY LIKE, WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE INTERESTED.
UH, THE CPUC IS EXPECTED TO ADOPT THE PROGRAM FRAMEWORK BY JULY ONE.
THAT'S INTERESTING IN RELATION TO THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT THAT'S HAPPENING.
WELL I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT THE ORDINANCES WE ADOPTED WAS SORT OF, UH, I THINK IT ON PAUSE OR ON HOLD.
I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BERKELEY.
I I FIGURED I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT IT FOR STAFF REPORT TOO, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TOUCHING ON THAT.
THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT HAD BEEN ON PAUSE.
WE'VE, THERE'S, I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT OFF OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF IT.
BUT IN THAT, IN THOSE, UM, RESPONSE TO ALL THE MEDIA REQUESTS, UM, THE CITY HAS NOT DENIED, UH, UM, PERMIT BASED ON, UH, AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, UM, ALL ELECTRIC ORDINANCE.
BUT MOST PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROCESSED VOLUNTARILY WENT WITH ALL ELECTRIC BECAUSE THEY FOUND IT MORE AFFORDABLE.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT AND THE CODE IS JUST, IT PUSHES YOU THAT WAY.
NOW ANYWAYS, THE, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING, LIKE IF YOU WANNA BUILD A NEW HOUSE, TRUE, IT'S WAY EASIER TO GO ALL ELECTRIC.
AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING BEYOND THE CITY LEVEL, LIKE IN THE, UM, BACK MED LEVEL WHERE THEIR APPLIANCES ARE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE IN THE STATE OF, OR IN THEIR, THEIR REGION, UM, FOR FURNACES OR, OR WATER HEATERS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BAD ON ITS FACE.
BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THE, THE, THE MOMENTUM'S ALREADY GOING IN ONE DIRECTION.
YEAH, I'VE GOT A FEW ITEMS, UH, TO GO OVER.
UM, I'M ALSO PART OF THE PETAL MILL WETLANDS ALLIANCE, AND THERE'S A SMALL GROUP THERE THAT HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE ON THE LIGHTING, UM, AROUND SCHOENBERGER PARK, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, UM, THEY'VE CHANGED OVER TO LEDS AND THEY'RE PRETTY BRIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, AND THE BRIGHTNESS.
SO THERE'S, UH, A COUPLE FACTORS THERE.
YEAH, GOOD FOR IMMEDIATE SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE.
AND EQUIPMENT RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDE.
BUT IT BLEEDS INTO THE HABITAT, UH, ESPECIALLY THE TREES NEARBY, UH, WHICH DISRUPTS ESPECIALLY BATS AND BIRDS AND OTHER, UH, NIGHTTIME CRITTERS.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THERE'S A GROUP NOW WORKING ON, AND THERE'S A, WHAT'S CALLED A DARK SKY MOVEMENT, NOT ONLY FOR ASTRONOMY AS WELL AS FOR, UM, HABITAT, UH, PRESERVATION.
UH, 'CAUSE UH, ANYTHING TOO MUCH LIGHT CLOSE TO HABITATS IS DISRUPTIVE.
SO ANYWAY, SO THERE'S AN EFFORT GOING ON THERE JUST SO WE'RE AWARE THAT, UM, THIS NEXT TO SCHOENBERGER PARK IS WHERE, WHERE THAT GROUP IS WORKING ON IT.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER SPOTS IN TOWN TO BE THINKING ABOUT ALSO.
UH, BUT A LOT OF RESEARCH IS NOW GOING INTO THAT PROJECT.
WE HAVE, UM, A HOPEFULLY YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF PETALUMA AS, UH, INCLUDING MORGAN HILL.
AND IT JUST, I WAS JUST TOLD THIS MORNING THAT WE MADE NATIONAL NEWS ON THIS.
UH, SO, UH, THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK AT, AT US, UH, BERKELEY'S ALREADY IN, IN A LAWSUIT, UH, FOR THIS CONCEPT OF, UH, MANDATING ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS, UM, AND HOW ANYTHING, WHEN YOU COULD DO ANYTHING NEW, IT'S GOTTA BE ELECTRIC.
SO, UM, SO WE ARE ON POINT AGAIN, UM, TO FIGHT THIS.
AND WHAT I THINK WE'VE DECIDED TO DO AS A CITY.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ON THE, A LAWS ON THE BOOK INSTEAD OF A BIG STICK, UH, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY SHIFT TO A CARROT, UH, APPROACH.
AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT WAY TO, UM, UH, WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF THIS LAWSUIT AND MAYBE, HOPEFULLY MAKE IT GO AWAY.
UM, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT, UM, UH, FOR A RECENT DEVELOPER WHO'S JUST WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AND, AND THEY WERE GOING TO, UH, SAID, OH, WE HAVE TO HAVE GAS.
WE SAID, OKAY, WE, WE'LL LET YOU HAVE GAS.
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ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT.AND, UH, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, OH, IT'S A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER JUST TO GO ALL ELECTRIC.
I THINK WE'LL GO TO ALL ELECTRIC.
UM, SO, AND IT JUST TURNS OUT THE HIGH COST AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LINES AT A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE JUST TO PUT A LINE IN SOMEWHERE OR RE REDO A LINE.
SO I THINK THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL WE'RE GO IN THAT DIRECTION ANYWAY.
SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, UH, THE APPROACH WE'RE GONNA TAKE.
IT'S ALL BEING, THE DETAILS WILL ALL BE WORKED OUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.
BUT, BUT THERE IS THAT BATTLE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP OF PROBABLY OTHER POSSIBLE STEPS.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A BAN ON GAS STATIONS, NEW GAS STATIONS, WHICH MAY COME NEXT, UM, IF THEY'RE ATTACKING US PARTICULARLY ON THAT.
SO, UM, SINCE WE'VE BEEN SINGLED OUT, WE'VE GOT THE TARGET ON OUR BACK RIGHT NOW.
OH, BY THE WAY, WE DO HAVE THREE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR ITS ICE AND BUDGETING, UH, ITEMS, MONIES, UH, RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'VE JOINED MUCH OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES ON THAT.
UM, ON THE GAS THING, JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT.
YEAH, SO THE SANTA ROSA PERSON, THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP ON TUESDAY ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE'S INPUT ON REVISIONS TO THEIR BAND BECAUSE COSTCO WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PUMPS.
AND SO THEY JUST, THEY RAISED IT AS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST THE POLL, IF YOU CURIOUS.
SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE BECAUSE APPARENTLY, UM, WHAT WE DID IS ACTUALLY HAS EXPANDED TO MANY OTHER CITIES, APPARENTLY ACROSS, EVEN ACROSS THE US.
SO ANOTHER THING WE'VE, UH, WE'RE FAMOUS.
IT'S REAL, IT CAN BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
I MET WITH THE, UH, LOCAL CLIMATE RESTORATION GROUP THAT'S TRYING TO WORK ON STUFF BESIDES CLIMATE ACTIONS.
THERE'S CLIMATE RESTORATION, HOW TO ACTUALLY PULL CARBON OUTTA THE AIR, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST, JUST TAKING CLIMATE ACT OF ENERGY REDUCTION HERE ON, ON, ON THE SURFACE.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, SO THE GROUP WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT, UH, START WORKING WITH DEB FOX ON THAT.
SO DEB MAY GET A CALL FROM THEM.
UM, I DID, UH, I GOT TO SEE, UM, THE VIDEO I WAS WORKING ON WITH, UH, STUDENTS, UM, AND THERE'S SOMEONE OUT OF DANVILLE THAT WAS COORDINATING AND PRODUCING ALL THIS, MAKING IT ALL HAPPEN.
BUT THREE SETS OF STUDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE BAY AREA GOT TOGETHER, PRODUCED A VIDEO ON ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE VIDEO, UH, BEING INTERVIEWED.
I HAVE MY 15 MINUTES AND THE TWO ARE, UH, UH, OF INTERVIEWED AT MY HOUSE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M DOING.
BUT THERE'S THREE FOLKS, UH, ALL US LIKE ASSOCIATED WITH EDUCATION AND TEACHING, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT TEENAGERS.
IT'S ALL PRODUCED COMPLETELY BY TEENAGERS, UH, IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
AND SO THAT'S NOW DONE AND, UH, DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT INTO THE, UM, UM, IN COLORADO, UM, TO THE SUNDANCE FESTIVAL.
THEY ONLY TAKE A HUNDRED OUT OF THOUSAND VI VIDEOS.
SO WE DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE FIRST TOP A HUNDRED.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, ANYWAYS, I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE RELEASE DATE ON IT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE ON YOUTUBE, PROBABLY BE FREE.
AND WE CAN HAVE A PRIVATE SHOWING HERE, UM, HERE IN PETALUMA.
PROBABLY HAVE TO CALL IT POLY CLASS OR SOME, OR EVEN THE THEATERS, DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE OF A GROUP WANTS TO SHOW UP.
UM, DO IT THAT AS LIKE A FUNDRAISER TYPE THING FOR IT.
ANYWAY, SO THAT, THAT'S COMING, UH, HOPEFULLY SHORTLY.
I'M HAVING A MEETING THIS SUNDAY TO SEE WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY RELEASE IT TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT, THAT'S HAPPENING.
THAT'S AGAIN, JUST CLIMATE ACTIONS ON JUST FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AT THE CITY.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS, UM, AT UH, TO SECOND MEETING AGO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THE, WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT BUILDING CODES AND, UH, ZONING FOR THE LAND USE.
AND SO THAT'S NOW, UH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE PRETTY MUCH SUPPORTED EVERYTHING THAT THE GPAC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION PARTICULARLY, AND EVEN, UH, SAID, OH, MAYBE WE WANT TO UP UPSCALE A LITTLE BIT, GO UP TO HIGHER DENSITY, SIX STORIES, UH, LOTS.
AND THEY EVEN RECOMMENDED, UM, TO DO AN EIGHT STORY AT THE SMART STATION DOWNTOWN AS A POSSIBILITY JUST TO OPEN THE DOOR, UM, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO TRY AND, AND MAKE THAT WORK.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD FAILURE AFTER FAILURE HAPPENING.
SO ANYWAY, SO WE DID VOTE ON IT.
AND UM, SO WE VOTED IN, UH, EIGHT STORIES AT THE SMART DOWNTOWN STATION AND A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE DENSITIES.
UM, IN THE NEARBY PROPERTIES, THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES NEARBY THAT WE DO THAT FOR THE SIX STORIES.
UM, SO JUST AS A CONCEPT, WE, WE'VE PUT IT OUT THERE AND SO THAT, TO GO INTO THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S STILL OPEN FOR DEBATE.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY NEW THING THAT WE KIND OF UPGRADED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, BUT ALSO SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
SO WE, UM, SO IT'LL, IT'S GONNA BE UNDER EVALUATION, SOMETHING TO REVIEW THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, FOR INCREASING THE DENSITY AND INFILL.
SO WE WILL WANT TO HAVE OUR OWN MAYBE INPUT ON THIS CONCEPT AND MAYBE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PLAN, PARTICULARLY THE GA, THE LAND USE PLAN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AS IS THIS THE FUTURE PLAN OF THE CITY THAT, THAT WE AS A GROUP WOULD ALSO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
NOW THE, THE HARD PART IN THIS WHOLE THING IS IT'S ALL ABOUT HOUSING, WHICH
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IS REALLY GOOD THAT WE GET MORE HOUSING HERE FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE HERE CAN WORK HERE, OR THE FOLKS THAT WORK HERE CAN LIVE HERE BOTH.SO WE NEED HOUSING FOLKS THAT COME TO TOWN AND, AND HOUSING FOR FOLKS THAT LEAVE TOWN.
SO BOTH, UM, AND WE, WHICH ALSO MEANS WE NEED SOME INDUSTRY AND BUSINESSES.
SO LOTS OF MAKER SPACES IS ALSO PART OF THE LAND USE THAT WE COULD CREATE, UH, BUSINESSES, BUT BE INVITED IN TO FILL, UM, NEW BUILDINGS OR EVEN THE OFFICE SPACE THAT'S EMPTY TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, UM, TO, UH, BRING MORE PEOPLE AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STABLE POPULATION RATHER THAN HAVING A THIRD OF OUR POPULATION LEAVE AND ANOTHER 20,000 PEOPLE COME IN EVERY DAY DURING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE GOT.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN THERE IS, IS TO BUILD ALL THE HOUSING AND ALSO BUILD BUSINESSES ON THE CORRIDORS.
SO WE, I THINK THIS GROUP NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND LOOK AT, UM, FROM OUR, UM, NETWORK ALSO TO COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IS THIS GONNA BE OKAY FOR PETALUMA TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION OR NOT? SO I THINK THAT'S UP FOR THAT AND COMMENT ON THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT TIMELINE OR MONTH TO DO THAT? UM, JUST BE FOLLOWING IT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW IT'S GONNA BE POPPING UP.
UH, IT IS PROBABLY GONNA GO BACK TO THE GPAC, PROBABLY GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PROBABLY GONNA COME UP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, THE EIR PROCESS.
SO THERE'LL BE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA YEAH.
AND IT, WHENEVER YOU MAYBE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU AT LEAST WANNA LOOK AT THAT, BRING IN THE, THE LAND USE, AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, ALONG WITH THE ETHIC, BECAUSE IT'S TIED INTO MOBILITY.
SEE, WE ALSO HAVE AN ACT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT NOT ARAN.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE FULL TRAN, A LITTLE BIT OF A TRANSIT IS IN THERE FOR ACTIVE, UH, TRANSPORT PLAN.
BUT THE MAIN CONCERN FOLKS ARE BRINGING UP IS THE ROAD CONGESTION THAT WE'RE FACING NOW ALREADY WITH THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE IN LIMITATIONS.
AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO, WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE END AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE IT? AND SO THIS TRANSITION, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TRANSITION FROM WHAT, WHAT WE ARE NOW TO OUR FUTURE? AND WHAT I'VE SUPPORTED IS THE IDEA IS THAT THIS LAND USE IS BECAUSE OF URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
THIS IS, OR FOR 2100, THIS ISN'T JUST FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS, THIS IS FOR 2100.
THIS IS THE FULL A HUNDRED PERCENT BUILD OUT UP TO OUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
SO IN THE NEXT 75 YEARS, IF IT'S ALL TOTALLY BUILT OUT, WE NEED TO SHIFT FROM A CAR CULTURE TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO HOW DO WE TRANSITION? WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE, TIMING? WHAT BUILDING SHOULD GO WHERE FIRST? ALL THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE THOUGHT OF AT THIS TIME TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IN OUR GENERAL PLAN NOW.
SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S WORTH OF A DISCUSSION HERE BEFORE, UH, THINGS GET TOO FAR ALONG EVERYTHING.
I I, SO IF YOU GO AHEAD AND NOW INTERJECT JUST REAL, REAL, REAL QUICK.
I, I THINK I WAS GONNA, THIS IS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP FOR MY COMMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING UP THIS, THIS STUFF NOW AND TO, TO COMMISSIONER PETER'S POINT.
I, I MEAN, I'M SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND OUR, OUR, UH, PLANNING MEETING FOR, FOR, FOR THIS MEETING.
BUT I, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET A PRESENTATION BY STAFF ON THE ZONING UPDATES SO THAT WE CAN AFFIRMATIVELY LEND OUR VOICE THROUGH, UH, A VOTE TO, TO SAY, YES, PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE ON, ON THIS LAND USE CHANGES BECAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR CLIMATE.
AND I, I ACTUALLY, I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT I DID WATCH THE MEETING, THE, THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU HAD A LOT OF IMPASSIONED PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SUBJECT.
AND IF WE AS A, AS A BODY DON'T WEIGH IN, OTHERS HAVE FREE AGENCY, OTHER GROUPS HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND THEY WILL WEIGH IN AND POTENTIALLY PRESSURE, UH, A, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM DENSITY, AWAY FROM THE, A LOT OF THE THINGS WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO.
AND, AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM CITY LEADERS IS LIKE OUR VOICE DOES MATTER.
SO IF WE CAN SO SCHEDULE, UM, A PRESENTATION BY STAFF AND THEN FIGURE OUT A TIME TO, TO VOTE ON, UM, A RESOLUTION TO, IN SUPPORT OF THESE LAND USE CHANGES, I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY CRITICAL THING TO DO OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
I HOPE I WASN'T PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, COMMISSIONER PETERS, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU WERE HOPEFULLY GOING WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S, SO A FUTURE AGENDA I THINK THAT THIS TEAM MAYBE SHOULD, SHOULD WEIGH IN ON, UH, AT THIS POINT TO SUPPORT, UM, ALONG WITH THAT IS, UM, I'VE BEEN TRACKING A LOT OF THE, UM, REGULATIONS THAT ARE STARTING TO COME IN.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT ALL THE E-BIKES, UM, AND, UH, BOTH SAFETY AND EDUCATION AND UH, HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY SET 'EM UP FOR THE MOBILITY IN THE CITIES.
AND SO THERE'S LOTS OF CITIES AND COUNTRIES NOW THAT ARE REVIEWING AND, AND ESTABLISHING ALL NEW REGULATIONS FROM MINIMUM TO PRETTY MAXIMUM FULL RANGE IN HERE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC THAT MIGHT, WE MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON TO SUPPORT, UM, THAT THE HOUSEHOLD WITH BIKE AND PET ALSO DOES THAT.
BUT FROM A CLIMATE CHANGE, UH, ACTIONS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO
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SUPPORT AND TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FROM ALL THIS? BECAUSE SOME OF THE CITIES ARE GOING VERY HIGH END ON REGULATIONS AND SAYING NO ONE UNDER 18 CAN HAVE KNEE BIKE PERIOD, UH, TO THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING, OH, IT HAS TO BE, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN BE 16, BUT YOU GOTTA BE LICENSED AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, AN ACTUAL LICENSE ON YOUR THING AND A CERTIFICATE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TRAINING.SO, UM, SO THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF LEVELS OF REGULATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW AROUND THE ENTIRE WORLD.
AUSTRALIA JUST PUT SOME STUFF IN.
I THINK THIS GROUP NEEDS TO MAYBE WEIGH IN AGAIN SOMEWHERE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS HOW DO WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
NOT JUST HOW ARE WE GONNA REDO THE ROADS, BUT WHAT REGULATIONS ARE WE GOING TO ESTABLISH HERE IN PETALUMA FOR ALL THIS NEW MOBILITY THAT'S HAPPENING? SO THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC FOR US TO WORK ON, UH, FROM A CLIMATE CHANGE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AND HOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SUPPORT HERE FROM, FROM US AND USING OUR NETWORKS TO SUPPORT.
IT CAN'T JUST COME FROM ONE COMMITTEE OR JUST FROM THE COUNCIL.
IT'S GOTTA COME FROM SEVERAL COMMITTEES.
SO THAT'S ONE MORE TOPIC TO BRING FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S, I'VE JUST SEEN A LOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
THEN, UH, ONE QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, I MEAN I DEFINITELY THINK LIKE PROMOTING BIKES IS A GOOD IDEA.
YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THAT SAFETY CONVERSATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
I AM CURIOUS IF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IS MAYBE MORE OF AN APPROPRIATE GROUP TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, OR AT LEAST P BACK AGAIN, LIKE I'M HAPPY TO ALSO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT BE, TO BE LEADING A LIKE EBIKE SAFETY DISCUSSION FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE IS A LITTLE BIT STRETCHED FOR ME.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW AND FEED THAT, BUT TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT IS, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT THING.
BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKING THE LEAD.
IT'S JUST A, A TOPIC FOR US TO BRING FORWARD TO SUPPORT WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE BEST FOR OUR TOWN.
AND SO SUPPORT OF OUR CLIMATE ACTIONS, LIKE, I MEAN, ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE FORGOT EBIKES FOR CHRISTMAS AND THEY JUST, I JUST SAW A GROUP OUT THERE JUST YESTERDAY YES.
OF TEENAGERS ON THEIR VERY FAST EBIKE S
SO ANYWAY, SO JUST SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
DO WE WANT, UH, AS PART, WHERE DOES IT INTERSECT WITH THE COMMITTEES THAT WE'RE GOING TO WHEN WE GO OUT THERE? IS THIS INTERSECTING WITH OUR CLIMATE ACTIONS AND WHAT WE WANNA SUPPORT AND HOW WE CAN MAKE THE BEST OUTCOME FOR OUR TOWN.
THEN, UM, ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, I GAVE A PRESENTATION ON GEOTHERMAL ENERGY TO ONE OF MY COFFEE GROUP AND I DID SOME RESEARCH AND ACTUALLY GOT TO TALKING TO SONOMA CLEAN POWER, A COUPLE FOLKS ABOUT GEOTHERMAL ENERGY AND THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. AND WE MAY WANT TO, UM, UH, BRING THAT BACK AS A TOPIC TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS THAT, UH, IT MAY BE IMPLEMENTED.
UH, AND SO CLEAN POWER IS WORKING ON THAT INTENSELY RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
BUT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND THAT THAT'S A FU FUTURE DISCUSSION TO BRING UP.
OR I THOUGHT I'D JUST BRING OUT, I'VE, I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AND UM, LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GOOD CONCEPT TO BRING FORWARD.
BILL, I JUST GOT NOTIFIED A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS ON THAT.
UH, PG E BILLING GOT SHIFTED SO THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE FOR BASIC SERVICES SO THAT, THAT, THAT YOU'RE GETTING SERVICE IS GONNA RAISE UP.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY SAID THAT THE ACTUAL COST PER KILOWATT HOUR IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE COMING DOWN, I THINK.
BUT, UM, AND THEY SAID IT, THERE SHOULD BE A SHIFT FROM COSTS PER HOUSEHOLD FROM, UM, THE FOLKS THAT ARE MORE WELL TO DO WILL HAVE A LITTLE HIGHER COSTS AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE, UM, ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED WILL HAVE LOWER COSTS ON AVERAGE.
UM, IS IS WHAT THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT IN THE LETTER FOR ME.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR BILL AND MAYBE WE WANT TO ACTUALLY DO SOME GROUND TRUTHING ON THAT TO SEE IF THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HAPPENING HERE IN PETALUMA OR NOT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS TO HOW WE WORK WITH BOTH PG E AND WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER, UM, ABOUT THE RATES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING, UH, AND HOW THAT ALL WORKS.
BUT WE MAY WANNA WEIGH IN, UH, AS A CITY ON THAT, UM, COME BACK ANYWAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE TOPICS I, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN REALLY SLOW.
ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT? OKAY.
THAT WAS A LOT OF EXCITING STUFF.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENT.
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ALRIGHT.SO, UH, FIRST OFF, THE SB 1221 IS NOT NEWS TO US, THANKFULLY.
UM, DEB AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO, UM, APPLY FOR THAT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
UM, MOSTLY DEB DID THE WORK, BUT
SO, UM, YEAH, WE, WE WERE AWARE THAT SOME OF THE ZONES THAT WE HAD PUT FORTH WERE SELECTED.
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THEY'RE ONLY, THE ONLY THREE ARE IN SONOMA COUNTY ARE IN PETALUMA.SO I GUESS IN MENDOCINO COUNTY ALSO IN MENDOCINO.
I GUESS
I THINK IT'S EVEN LIKE A, IT AT LEAST A MAJORITY VOTE OF THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF OFFHAND RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THE FIRST PHASE IS KIND OF THAT OUTREACH AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS, HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THEM, WHAT INCENTIVES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM, UM, AND HOW THE CITY CAN SUPPORT THAT GOING FORWARD.
UM, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT SB WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THIS IS, THIS IS THAT, UM, DECARBONIZATION WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, NOT NOT DOING MORE MAINTENANCE AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT MIGHT BE REMOVAL OF GAS LINES, NATURAL GAS LINES, UM, TO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT SB 1221 IS ALL ABOUT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST CHANGING OUT THE APPLIANCES IN YOUR HOUSE, IT'S GETTING RID OF THE NATURAL GAS, THE FOSSIL FUEL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S SUPPORTING THAT, UM, FROM THE GET GO.
'CAUSE IT'S A LIABILITY, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, TO PG E SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND IF A LOT OF AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO JUSTIFY THE COST OF, OF KEEPING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO, UH, ALL THE SAFETY SPECS.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE ZONES? I DON'T REMEMBER.
I, THERE WAS ONE, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHERE I USED TO LIVE, UM, NEAR SOUTHGATE.
UM, I THINK IN THE, THE EAST SIDE.
UM, I THINK ALL OF 'EM WERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, UH, KIND OF LIKE ALONG THE SOUTHGATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEL ORO PARK AREA.
UM, I THINK, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THE OTHER ONES WERE.
UH, YOU MENTIONED ALONG THE RIVER.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT GOING INTO LIKE MIDTOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I, I FEEL LIKE THEY WERE ALL EAST SIDE
I, AGAIN, LIKE IT WAS NEWS TO ME THAT WAS LIKE CENSUS TRACK BASED.
OKAY, SO IT'S LIKE A WIDER AREA YEAH.
SO KNOWING THAT THOSE MAPS ARE OUT THERE, I'D NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT THAT'S THE ONE THAT JUST BECAUSE I USED TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
UM, DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A PLAN TO GO AND PURSUE THAT AND DO ALL THAT IS YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO, UH, APPLY FOR, TO PUT OUR HAT IN THE RING FOR.
UM, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
UM, TALKING ABOUT IT WITH, WITH SONOMA CLAIM POWER.
UM, I, I THINK HE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
SO YEAH, WE, BUT WE'VE NOT THAT, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NEWS TO ME TODAY THAT, THAT PETALUMA WAS MADE THE SHORT, SHORT LIST.
I, I MEAN, I GUESS AT SOME POINT, SHOULD IT BE AGENDIZED OR AN AD HOC OR, YEAH, I NEED TO GET, I NEED TO GET UP TO SPEED ON IT.
UM, MARCH IS NOW LOOKING PRETTY BUSY
SO, UM, AND, AND ALSO JUST REACTING TO WHAT I HEARD ABOUT, UM, THE E-BIKE REGULATIONS LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING, EVEN IF, IF PBA FOR EXAMPLE, TOOK THE LEAD ON THAT OR PS A C HAVING A, A COLLABORATIVE GROUP, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS, MAYBE THERE'S AN AD HOC GROUP THAT FORMS AS A RESULT OF THAT AT PAC OR PSAC AND HAVING A MEMBER HERE THAT'S INTERESTED IN E-BIKE REGULATIONS ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DRAFT REGULATION.
I, I'VE NOT HEARD OF THAT FROM STAFF BEING DRAFTED UP, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING INVOLVED WITH AS WELL.
SO IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I HEAR TALKING WITH THE OTHER STAFF LIAISONS OF INTEREST, UM, DOING SOME SORT OF COLLABORATION ON THAT, UH, E-BIKE REGULATION FRONT, I'LL DEFINITELY LET ALL THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, GOING TO SINGLE USE ITEMS, UM, MORGAN IS ACTUALLY OUR HERO WHO DID, UM, THE OUTREACH OVER SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, WE HAD A LIST OF 40 DIFFERENT, UM, RESTAURANTS, UM, THAT SHE WENT TO AND VISITED MULTIPLE TIMES,
UM, AND, AND THE, THE, THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS A LOT OF 'EM WERE TOO BUSY TO EVEN TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE WERE NINE OUT OF THE 40 THAT RESPONDED TO IT AND, AND SAT DOWN WITH HER TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
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NINE, EIGHT SUPPORTED THE, UM, IDEA OF EITHER MOVING TO COMPOSTABLES, UM, OR HAVING SOME OTHER SORT OF CITY SUPPORTED PROGRAM TO THAT, TO, TO PILOT OUT WITH THAT.UM, BUT, AND I HOPE I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, MORGAN, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM WERE ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN, IN DOING IT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING REALLY TOUGH TIMES JUST KEEPING THEIR BUSINESSES AFLOAT AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE FOLKS THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO SPEAK WITH US.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, UM, NANCY SANDS IS, IT'S A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TIME FOR BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW.
AND IT FEELS LIKE A LET LETDOWN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SINGLE USE REGULATION, IT DIDN'T GO FORWARD IN PETALUMA WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT FORTH IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THAT WAS COVID AND TIMES WERE REALLY TOUGH THEN.
SO IT, THERE'S, THERE'S NEVER REALLY A GREAT TIME, UM, FOR IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS SOME SORT OF CALAMITY ON, ON THE HORIZON THAT'S, THAT'S MAKING IT REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO SURVIVE.
UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO THROW AT A PILOT PROJECT FOR THIS EITHER, IS, UM, THERE IS A LAW ON THE BOOK SB 56 THAT REQUIRES, UM, ALL PRODUCERS OF SINGLE USE PLASTICS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UM, PLASTICS THAT THEY'RE CREATING TO MAKE, UM, PRODUCTS THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECYCLABLE INSTEAD OF JUST DISPOSABLE INTO THE TRASH.
UM, AND SPECIFICALLY PART OF THAT REDUCTION OF PLASTIC USE HAS TO COME FROM REUSE AND REFILL.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S MONEY THAT COMES WITH IT.
THERE'S A PRODUCER, UM, RESPONSIBILITY ORGANIZATION, THE CIRCULAR ACTION ALLIANCE THAT HAS FORMED AS A RESULT OF THAT.
UM, THEY'RE JUST STARTING TO GET THEIR, THEIR FEET UNDERNEATH THEM AT THIS POINT.
BUT EVERY WORKSHOP THAT THEY'VE HAD ON REFILL AND REUSE, I'VE ATTENDED, I'VE EXPRESSED OUR INTEREST IN PARTNERING WITH THEM ON IT.
UM, I'VE EVEN HAD ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH THEIR DIRECTOR OF REFILL AND, AND REUSE LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE PURPLE CUP PROGRAM AND, UM, AGAIN, OUR ENTHUSIASTIC INTEREST IN WORKING WITH THEM BEING A PILOT.
UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE STREET FOR THAT.
BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING SOME RFPS EARLIER, UM, THIS YEAR AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING, UM, MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE AD HOC WAS INTERESTED IN KIND OF A, UM, A MODEL THAT INVOLVED, UM, REASONABLE FOOD WEAR FOR DINE-IN AND, UH, COMPOSTABLE FOR TAKEOUT.
SO IF, YEAH, I MEAN THE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE BUSINESSES WERE, UM, INTERESTED IN THE COSTS.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY WOULD ONLY GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF REUSABLES, THE ONES THAT AREN'T DOING IT ALREADY, UM, FOR DINE-IN IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE.
'CAUSE AS THE AD HOC TALK, THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE, IN DOWNTOWN, THERE'S A LOT OF COST BARRIERS TO ADDING DISHWASHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A LONG DISCUSSION.
UM, SO WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TIMETABLE FOR BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL, UM, FOR THEIR DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THERE'S LIKE BETTER NEWS THAT WE CAN BRING WITH IT.
LIKE, HEY, WE FOUND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR IT TO PILOT THIS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD PATH FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE RESULTS I GUESS, UM, FROM OUR, OUR OUTREACH TO THE AFFECTED POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BUSINESSES ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT CAN, I GUESS, ENTERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS IF, IF INTERESTED? I, I MEAN I AM SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN BRINGING BACK, UM, EITHER IN THE EVENTS SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE OR EVEN A MORE NARROW EVENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, I DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING THAT BACK, APPROVE THAT AS YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT, APPROVE THAT
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I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.UM, SO DID THE, THE 25 CENT FEE WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT LIKE WAS THE CITY HELPING THEM OR DID, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WERE ONLY LIKE NINE PEOPLE, BUT DID, DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE 29 20 5 CENT FEE? WE DID NOT ASK ABOUT A 25% FEE.
WE, UM, APPROACHED IT AS, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN A, A CITY FUNDED PILOT PROJECT ON REUSABLE FOOD WARE? AND WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT A 25% OR CENT FEE WAS NOT ADDED.
IT WAS, IT WAS JUST THAT THEY COULD CHARGE 25 CENTS FOR THE, FOR THE COMPOSTABLE ITEMS. OH, THAT WAS OPEN-ENDED.
THAT IT, IT WASN'T A, WE DIDN'T SAY YES OR NO TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS JUST A COMMENT THAT LIKE, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE AD HOC, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOW IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOME RESTAURANTS TO PUT A DISHWASHER IN.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING JUST A WAIVER FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
SO THAT I DON'T THINK IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM WITH WHAT WAS, UM, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT QUESTION IS JUST YEAH, WHAT YOU SAID.
IS THERE A FUNDING STORE SOURCE TO HELP HAVE THE CITY HELP PEOPLE IMPLEMENT IT? AND THEN I CAN, I WROTE A NOTE TO BRING IT BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, UH, I GUESS I WOULD JUST, YEAH, MAYBE ECHO SOME OF, UH, COMMISSIONER PETER'S POINT AROUND LIKE, IF WE CAN GET A QUICK WIN AND, AND AT LEAST DO EVENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS OR EVENTS ON CITY PROPERTY AND IT'S, UH, NOT TOO BIG OF A BURDEN FOR THE CITY, UH, AT LEAST PASS SOMETHING IN THE SHORT TERM.
UH, AND THEN BRING THE ITEM BACK IN, UH, IN, IN THE SPRING, MAYBE THE MARCH OR OR MAY MEETING.
AND, UH, WITH, WITH THE INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THROUGH THE OUTREACH, YEAH, MAYBE EXPLORE THAT, THE ISSUE AROUND REUSE.
UH, SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE ONE THING THAT CAME OUTTA THE AD HOC THAT, THAT'S LIKE AN ACTIONABLE
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SEE LANGUISH EITHER, UH, SINCE YOU GUYS ALL WORK SO HARD ON IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE
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WAYS TO KIND OF REVIVE IT.SO WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT COME BACK, UH, AND, AND GET IT, GET IT MOVING AND SOME, AND, YOU KNOW, MID, MAKE SOME PROGRESS.
EVEN IF RIGHT NOW THE, AND I KNOW RESTAURANTS ARE STRUGGLING, MAYBE WE DON'T, UH, WE DON'T HAVE AS, AS WIDE A REACH NOW, BUT AT LEAST DO SOMETHING SO MAKES SENSE.
ANY OTHER, I I THINK WE'RE DONE RIGHT? UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE.
IN THAT CASE, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT TIME.