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[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 20TH, 2026.WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL CALL HERE?
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
SO ARE, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? AND IF SO, UM, CAN YOU BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARD TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO WHERE DO WE GET A SPEAKER CARD? SHE SAID, WHERE DO YOU GET A SPEAKER CARD? YEAH, I KNOW.
AND I, IT'S ALWAYS A PUZZLE TO ME RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
THEY'RE THE BLUE CARDS AND YOU CAN JUST BRING THOSE UP AND HAND THEM THE JOCELYN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
SHE CAN, SHE CAN COME UP AND SPEAK RIGHT.
AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY CARDS YET? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CARDS.
AND DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO EMAIL COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? YES, WE RECEIVED FOUR.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SPEAK AND SUBMIT YOUR CARD AFTERWARDS, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK YOU ARE FIRST IN LINE.
I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
SOME OF YOU KNOW ME, I'VE MET SOME OF YOU.
UM, MY NAME IS K MCCOMB AND I'M A STUDENT AT THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE AND I'M REPRESENTING THE TRANSIT ACCESS CLUB.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS AND ALSO IN CASE, UH, ALL OF YOU DON'T KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN TRANSPORTATION FUND AND WE DO HAVE CONTRACT WITH THE PETALUMA TRANSIT SYSTEM.
SO, UM, WE'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING TO UPDATE OUR ACCESS TO, UM, TRANSIT AND PETALUMA.
JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
ANY OTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, I'M CLOSING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[PRESENTATIONS]
ARE IN THE, UH, PRESENTATION PART OF THE MEETING AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING AND IT'S A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS SERVICE MODIFICATION.AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS IS THAT STAFF WILL PRESENT, UM, THE INFORMATION AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS.
IT WON'T BE A COMMENT PERIOD, JUST QUESTION CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS.
THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT.
AND THEN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, WE'LL ASK THE COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS AND IF MORE, IF MORE QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP.
SO, UM, JARED, WHO, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THIS EVENING, I'LL BE KICKING US OFF.
SO THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR ABRAMS AND GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THANKS FOR COMING OUT FOR OUR SERVICE MODIFICATION WORKSHOP TONIGHT.
UH, ONE QUICK HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
WE'RE PROVIDING SHUTTLE SERVICE TONIGHT NOT KNOWING HOW LATE OUR MEETING MAY RUN.
SO IF ANYONE GOT HERE ON TRANSIT TO MAKE
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SURE YOU HAVE A RIDE HOME, WE DO HAVE A SIGNUP SHEET OUT IN THE HALLWAY.WE'RE ASKING IF YOU COULD SIGN UP BY SIX 15 IF YOU DO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
IF SO, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THAT SHEET IN THE HALLWAY.
SO TO KICK US OFF, I HAVE A PRESENTATION, SO I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE RIDERSHIP ON ALL THE THREE DIFFERENT SERVICE TYPES, YOU CAN SEE THOSE HERE FOR THE PARATRANSIT AND THE FIXED ROUTE.
WE WENT BACK FROM FY 21 THROUGH 25.
SO ON THE TOP LEFT IN THE BLUE BARS IS A PARATRANSIT RIDERSHIP ON THE UPPER RIGHT AND THE ORANGE IS OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM.
AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IS OUR LUMA GO RIDERSHIP STATS.
THAT SERVICE, OF COURSE HAS ONLY BEEN RUNNING SINCE OCTOBER, 2024, SO IT HASN'T BEEN RUNNING AS LONG AS THE OTHERS ARE.
SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE TREND LINES ON WHAT THOSE SERVICES HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE EQUITY LENS CONSIDERATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE WANT TO GO THROUGH AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ROUTES GOING THROUGHOUT PETALUMA, SEE WHAT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE SERVING AND SEEING IF ANY OF THEM HAVE DISPROPORTIONATELY LARGER IMPACTS ON COMMUNITIES SUCH AS LOW INCOME AND MINORITY POPULATIONS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT NEXT.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE.
WHAT WE SAW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA, ESPECIALLY BIGGER CITIES, THE POCKETS ARE A BIT MORE DEFINED AND LARGER.
YOU MAY HAVE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE MORE AFFLUENT, OTHER ONES THAT ARE LOWER INCOME.
YOU SEE THOSE TRENDS IN PETALUMA BUT NOT TO THE SAME SCALE WITH THE SIZE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ROUTE 24, WHICH IS THE GOLD LINE, GOES ALONG LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY AND THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS ON THAT SUCH AS THE EASTERN PART THAT GO THROUGH BUSINESS PARKS.
SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE LOW INCOME POPULATIONS THERE, BUT THERE ARE THINGS LIKE KAISER HOSPITAL, WHICH IS A BIG EQUITY, UH, CONSIDERATION, AND THERE'S A LARGE LOW INCOME POPULATION THAT LIVES OVER OFF OF BAYWOOD IN THAT AREA.
SO WE LOOKED ON THAT ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE BASIS, BUT REALLY PRETTY MUCH EVERY ROUTE WE LOOKED AT HAD CERTAIN POCKETS OF THAT AS YOU WOULD EXPECT.
THERE'S NO ROUTE THAT DIDN'T SERVE EITHER LOW INCOME POPULATIONS OR MINORITY POPULATIONS TO A LARGER SMALLER EXTENT.
WE DIDN'T FEEL AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT ROUTES TONIGHT.
ONE SUCH EXAMPLE IS ROUTE TWO.
AND SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT THIS ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE BASIS.
SO EACH ROUTE IS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN CARD AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TYPICALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THE TOP RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE MAP OF THAT ONE PARTICULAR ROUTE.
AND OF COURSE THE BACKGROUND THERE IS OUR MINORITY POPULATION MAP.
SO IT'LL HAVE THE ROUTE NAME ON THE TOP LEFT, THE MAP ON THE TOP RIGHT BELOW THE ROUTE NAME.
YOU'LL SEE A DESCRIPTION OF THE ROUTE AND THE AREAS IT SERVES IN THIS CASE.
ROUTE TWO GOES DOWN NORTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD, IT CONNECTS THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER TO OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY, AND OF COURSE GOES BY THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOURS BELOW THAT.
WE ALSO PROVIDE THE BOARDINGS FOR THAT OVER THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.
IN THIS CASE FOR FY 25 IT WAS 62 AND HALF THOUSAND BOARDINGS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE PRODUCTIVITY FOR THE ROUTE BELOW THAT 50 BOARDINGS PER HOUR.
WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE RIDERSHIP THROUGHOUT THE DAY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GET IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ROUTE, IF YOU'RE TO MODIFY IT, PERHAPS A ROUTE YOU KEEP THE ROUTE AROUND, BUT YOU MODIFY THE HOURS YOU AND THE LAST HOUR OF THE DAY, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE THE RIDERSHIP TRENDS ROUTE BY ROUTE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEMS ARE BOTTOM RIGHT YOU CAN SEE ARE CHARTS THAT SHOWS FREQUENCIES BY TIME OF THE DAY AND DAY OF THE WEEK, HOW OFTEN THEY RUN IN THE MIDDLE FREQUENCY COLUMN, AND THEN THE COST OF EACH OF THOSE ITEMS WITH THE TOTAL ON THE BOTTOM, THE ITEMS IN THE MIDDLE, IF THERE'S A YELLOW ONE, THAT'S A COMMENT THAT YOU'LL SEE ON A FEW OF THESE SLIDES.
IN THIS CASE, ROUTE TWO AND 11 ARE RUNNING WITH 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS.
BUT THOSE ARE PROVIDED THROUGH A GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM S-C-T-C-A KNOWN AS A-M-T-I-S GRANT THAT CAN BE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THAT GRANT ALLOWS US TO RUN THOSE AT THE 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS.
OTHERWISE THE SERVICE ON THAT ROUTE WOULD BE RUNNING 20 MINUTES DURING PEAK TIME, 30 MINUTE OFF PEAK.
AND SO THE LAST PIECE YOU'LL SEE IS THE BLUE BOX IN THE MIDDLE.
IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ROUTE SPECIFIC, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE.
SO IN THIS CASE WE HAVE THE MTIS GRANT GOING.
WE OF COURSE WANT TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE GRANT FUNDS AND MAXIMIZE THEM.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE ROUTE RUNNING AT THOSE 15 MINUTE
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PERIODS DURING THE PERIOD OF THAT GRANTS, BUT ONCE IT ENDS, WE WOULD RETURN TO THE PRIOR HEADWAYS YOU WOULD FIND ON IT RUNNING EVERY 20 MINUTES DURING PEAK TIME AND 30 MINUTE OFF PEAK.THIS IS OUR ROUTE THAT GOES ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH AND GOES BY THE PETALUMA OUTLETS.
THIS IS THE LOWEST PRODUCTIVITY FIXED ROUTE THAT YOU'LL SEE, BUT WITH SEVERAL OF THE ROUTES, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROUTES.
THERE'S THE ONES THAT GO ON YOUR PRIMARY CORRIDORS LIKE ON WASHINGTON THAT PROVIDE HIGHER RIDERSHIP AS YOU'D EXPECT.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE MORE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL COVERAGE TYPE ROUTES, BUT SERVE VERY IMPORTANT DESTINATIONS SUCH AS ROUTE 10 GOES TO THE PETALUMA OUTLET MALL.
AND SO THERE'S HIGHER DENSITY OF COURSE IN THE EASTERN HALF OF THE ROUTE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN ALL THE WAY TO ABOUT PAYAN STREET.
AND THEN ON THE NORTHERN HALF, THE DENSITY, UH, LIGHTENS BY QUITE A BIT, BUT OF COURSE OUTLETS ARE A MAJOR CONSIDERATION.
AND SO THIS ROUTE, IT RUNS AT A FAIRLY, UM, MODEST SCHEDULE.
SO IT ONLY RUNS GENERALLY EVERY 60 MINUTES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND SO WITH A ROUTE LIKE THIS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MODIFY IT SCHEDULE-WISE WITHOUT GETTING RID OF THE ROUTE ALTOGETHER.
ONCE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT RUNNING EVERY 60 MINUTES, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY WANNA RUN IT EVERY 90 MINUTES.
IT'S HARDLY MUCH OF A ROUTE AT THAT POINT AT ALL.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ROUTES WHERE WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES ON IT.
ROUTE 11 IS SIMILAR TO ROUTE TWO THAT IT ALSO HAS THE TEMPORARY 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS ON THERE FUNDED THROUGH THAT SAME S-C-T-C-A GRANTS.
THIS IS OUR WASHINGTON STREET CONNECTOR.
SO A VERY IMPORTANT ROUTE BECAUSE IT GOES BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER AND IT GOES TO CITY HALL IN THE COPELAND TRANSIT MALL, UM, OR NEAR CITY HALL.
THIS ONE RUNS SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
WE ADD OVER 82,000 BOARDINGS IN FY 25 AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE MORE PRODUCTIVE ROUTES, 17 PASSENGERS PER HOUR.
SO SIMILAR TO ROUTE TWO, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE IS ONCE THE GRANT FUNDS ARE DEPLETED TO RETURN IT TO 2030 MINUTE SERVICE FOR PEAK AND OFF PEAK AT THAT TIME.
ROUTE 24, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO ROUTE 10 HAS A UM, LOWER SCHEDULE, LOWER FREQUENCY.
THERE ARE A FEW TRIPS THAT RUN DURING PEAK TIME BEYOND THE STANDARD, UH, HEADWAY FREQUENCY ON THERE.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE TRIPS BE ELIMINATED, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN THE ANNUAL SAVINGS OF 42,000.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE ROUTE WOULD RUN WITH 60 MINUTE HEADWAYS ALL DAY.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO TRIM THIS ROUTES WITHOUT GETTING RID OF THE ROUTE ALTOGETHER.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS IN MONTHS AND YEARS PAST FROM PEOPLE WHO USE THIS ROUTE LIVE ON THIS ROUTE WHO ACTUALLY WANNA SEE THIS ROUTE EXTENDED.
WE'VE HEARD RECENTLY PEOPLE WANNA SEE THIS ROUTE RUN ON WEEKENDS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T.
IT'S ONLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONE OF THE LOWER PERFORMING ROUTES PASSENGER PER HOUR WISE, IT'S SEVEN.
IT'S ONE OF THE ONES WHERE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MODIFY WHILE RETAINING THE ROUTE.
SO ASIDE FROM REMOVING THOSE PEAK TIME TRIPS, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES RECOMMENDED ROUTE THREE AND 33 ARE SIMILAR.
THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR ROUTING, ONE OF WHICH BEING ROUTE THREE RUNS CLOCKWISE, ROUTE 33 COUNTERCLOCKWISE, AND THEY RUN AN EAST PETALUMA ON SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY AND ELI BOULEVARD.
ROUTE THREE RUNS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
ROUTE 33 RUNS SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
AND SO THESE RECEIVE ABOUT 17 PASSENGERS PER HOUR.
UM, EVEN THOUGH WE RUN SEPARATE SCHOOL TRIPPER SERVICE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, IT'S WORTH NOTING THREE AND 33 CAN OFTEN CARRY A NUMBER OF STUDENTS ON THEM AS WELL.
IF FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE GOING AT LATER TIMES BEYOND WHEN THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS RUN, UH, DOING TEAM SPORTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO SPEAKING OF ROUTE 33, EVEN THOUGH THE ROUTINGS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ON THE EASTERN PART WHERE ROUTE 33 GOES DOWN, CASA GRANDE ROUTE THREE GOES A BIT FURTHER OVER TO PAY.
UH, OVERALL THE ROUTING ABOUT 90 PLUS PERCENT OF IT'S SIMILAR AND THEY HAVE SIMILAR PERFORMANCE ON THIS ROUTE.
THE ONE THAT RUNS SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK, WE HAVE 16 PASSENGERS PER HOUR.
SO WITH BOTH OF THESE ROUTES, SINCE THEY'RE RUNNING WITH FAIRLY LOW FREQUENCIES, GENERALLY RUNNING HOURLY EVERY DAY, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO EITHER OF THESE TWO ROUTES.
SO THE SCHOOL ROUTES, UM, IS A BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THE CITY STEPPED IN TO REALLY START RUNNING MORE OF THE SERVICE AND THIS IS PRIOR TO MY TIME IN 2008, DURING THE 2008 RECESSION WHEN THERE WERE CUTS TO PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS AND THEIR SERVICES.
AND SO THE CITY STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID, WE WANNA HELP OUT WITH THIS AND OPERATE THESE SERVICES.
AND IT'S BEEN GREAT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S REALLY, UH, BENEFICIAL TO THE SYSTEM WHEN YOU
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CAN GET YOUNGER RIDERS IN, SAY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, AND START THAT BEHAVIOR OF RIDING TRANSIT THAT'LL HOPEFULLY LAST IN THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.AND SO WE HAVE LIMITED SERVICE ON THIS.
WE DIDN'T DO A SLIDE FOR EACH ROUTE.
THERE'S FIVE OF THEM, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION WHERE THEY GO GENERALLY 3 0 1, 3 0 2, 3 0 3 ARE EAST PETALUMA SCHOOL ROUTES.
THREE 11 CONNECTS EAST TO WEST SIDE AND RUNS ON WASHINGTON.
AND THEN ROUTE 5 0 1 RUNS IN WEST PETALUMA SERVING PETALUMA HIGH AND PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE LIMITED TRIP SERVICES, EACH ONE HAS ABOUT TWO TO THREE TRIPS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, ONLY RUNNING WHEN SCHOOL'S IN SESSION.
THEY'RE ALSO OUR MOST PRODUCTIVE ROUTES AT 32 PASSENGERS PER HOUR.
AND IF YOU EVER RIDE THESE ROUTES, 'CAUSE OF COURSE ANYONE CAN RIDE THEM, NOT JUST STUDENTS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND GIVE IT A TRY.
YOU'LL OFTEN SEE THESE BUSES CAN BE FULL WITH UH, 40 PLUS PEOPLE ON THEM WITH REGULARITY.
AND SO THIS UH, SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR, WE FELT THERE WAS A HIGH EQUITY CONSIDERATION GIVEN THE FACT THAT SOME PARENTS USE THIS ENTIRELY FOR THEIR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO SCHOOL.
AND IF THESE ROUTES WENT AWAY, THEN THAT COULD REALLY HAVE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE.
IF PARENTS HAD TO MODIFY THEIR SCHEDULE, IT WOULD IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO GO TO WORK AND DO JOBS FOR EXAMPLE, THEN THAT COULD HAVE QUITE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.
AND SO WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THESE.
THE ONE CHANGE WE ARE RECOMMENDING, A SLIGHT ONE TO ROUTE 5 0 1 IS TO DO A MODIFICATION THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT ROUTE, THE ONE THAT RUNS IN WEST PETALUMA TO CONNECT TO THE, UH, SMART STATION, THE DOWNTOWN SMART STATION.
THAT WAS PER REQUEST OF ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT SERVES, UH, VALLEY VISTA BY THIS ROUTE.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THIS ROUTE IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THAT SAME MTIS GRANT AS WELL.
SO ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, UM, POPULAR SERVICES THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING RECENTLY IS LUMA AGO, OUR MICRO TRANSIT ON DEMAND SERVICE.
AND SO THIS STARTED IN OCTOBER, 2024.
AND SO WITH MOST ROUTES YOU'LL SEE A FISCAL YEAR RIDERSHIP.
IN THIS CASE WE SHOW OCTOBER TO OCTOBER.
AND SO FOR A MICRO TRANSIT ROUTE, THIS HAS BEEN PRODUCTIVE.
IT'S MET ALL OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR IT.
WE'VE RECEIVED 5.1 BOARDINGS PER HOUR ON THE SERVICE.
IT'S BEEN A NEW OPERATING MODEL FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT, OUR FIRST SUCH ON DEMAND SERVICE.
AND IT'S REALLY GENERATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
EVEN TO THIS DAY WE'RE RECEIVING MULTIPLE COMMENTS PER WEEK WITH PEOPLE SAYING, I LOVE LUMA, I WANT MORE LUGO, CAN YOU EXPAND IT? CAN YOU ADD MORE ZONES? WE WANTED TO START OFF WITH A ZONE THAT WE FELT WAS ACHIEVABLE WITH THE FIRST GO.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE TOP RIGHT, IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR SQUARE MILES.
IT SERVES THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY CENTER, EAST SIDE, TRANSITS MALL, WASHINGTON CORRIDOR, MIDTOWN, PETALUMA, GENERALLY OUT TO CITY HALL, UM, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS IN BETWEEN, IT'S AN ON-DEMAND SERVICE TO WHERE YOU'LL GENERALLY USE AN APP TO BOOK IT.
WE HAVE A SPECIFIC LUMA GO APP THAT PEOPLE CAN DOWNLOAD, RIDE THE SERVICE, AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL UNDER THOSE LENSES.
IT IS ONE OF THE MORE EXPENSIVE ROUTES THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY THE MOST WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO OTHER ROUTES LIKE 11 TWO, ET CETERA.
AND SO THIS ROUTE IS COSTING $420,000 PER YEAR.
THIS ONE'S A BIT UNIQUE THAT YOU HAVE THE SERVICE COSTS AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT AND A FEW PROGRAMMATIC COSTS SUCH AS SOFTWARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GO INTO IT.
AND SO WITH THIS ONE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GRANTS, ONE OF WHICH IS THE MTIS GRANT AGAIN, AND THEN WE HAVE A SFA GRANTS CAMMI MENTIONED THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE THAT GRANT, BUT WE HAVE CONTINGENT FUNDING, UM, TO OPERATE THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT, KAMI? WE'VE RECEIVED A TENTATIVE AWARD NOTICE.
UM, SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS, ALTHOUGH THAT DOES NOT COVER THE FULL COST OF OPERATING LUGO FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO.
WHAT THAT DOES PROVIDE THAT GRANT IS ANOTHER $150,000 IF WE RECEIVE IT FORMALLY.
AND THAT PERIOD WOULD BE FROM MARCH, 2026 TO FEBRUARY, 2027.
SO THE COST TO RUN THAT SERVICE IS 420 K PER YEAR.
IF YOU ACCEPT THAT GRANT AND YOU RAN IT FOR THE FULL YEAR, YOU STILL HAVE A FUNDING SHORTFALL THAT WOULD BE $280,000 IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANNA ACCEPT THE GRANT AND RUN IT FOR THE FULL YEAR.
ONE OTHER OPTION IS YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ACCEPT THE GRANT AND NOT RUN THE SERVICE FOR A FULL FISCAL YEAR, JUST RUN IT THROUGH THE GRANT PERIOD TO THE END OF FEBRUARY.
THAT WOULD COST, I BELIEVE ABOUT $250,000 TO RUN THAT PAIRING THAT WITH A GRANT YOU WOULD HAVE A SHORTFALL OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND ISH APPROXIMATELY.
UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, IMPORTANT ROUTES I THINK TO DISCUSS.
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WE ARE RECOMMENDING TERMINATION OF THE ROUTES UNLESS WE'RE ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL GRANTS THAT COVER THE COST OF IT.WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS WOULD END, UH, UNDER ONE OF THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, WHETHER THAT'S SAY JULY 1ST, 2026 AND THE GRANTS TURN BACK OR WE ACCEPT IT AND RUN IT FOR A PORTION OF THE YEAR TO EXPEND THE GRANTS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO BE CONSIDERED.
IN TERMS OF DAY OF THE WEEK, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THINGS DAY BY DAY.
SO ONE OF THE DAYS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OUR SERVICE ON SUNDAY.
AS PEOPLE MAY RECALL, WE RUN LIMITED SERVICE ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
WE RUN WITH THREE ROUTES ON TWO OF THOSE DAYS, ROUTES TWO 11 AND 33.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR PARATRANSIT RUNNING ANYTIME WE HAVE REGULAR FIXED ROUTE SERVICE, OUR PARATRANSIT IS OUT THERE IN THE STREET AND WE'RE RUNNING OUR LUMA GO SERVICE SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
AND SO FOR OUR SUNDAY SERVICE, IT'S LOWER PRODUCTIVITY GENERALLY DURING THOSE HOURS IT RUNS WITH A SMALLER SCHEDULE RUNNING FROM 8:30 AM TO 5:00 PM AND OF COURSE OUR SUNDAY SCHEDULE'S ALSO THE SAME AS OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HOLIDAY, NOT ONE, LIKE A NEW YEAR'S DAY WHEN WE DON'T RUN BUT ONE SUCH AS PRESIDENT'S DAY, WE'LL RUN ON A REDUCED SUNDAY SCHEDULE.
AND SO WITH THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT SERVICE AND THERE ARE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS ONE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING ELIMINATING, UH, SUNDAY SERVICE AT THIS TIME AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN ESTIMATED ANNUAL SAVINGS OF 140,000 PER YEAR.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ROUTES BY TIME OF THE DAY AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT AND THAT BAR CHART, WE HIGHLIGHT THE PARTICULAR HOURS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS ITEM.
BUT FOR ROUTES TWO 11 AND 33, THEY RUN PAST 7:00 PM UNTIL ABOUT 9:00 PM OR SO.
AND THEN ALSO OUR PARATRANSIT SERVICE RUNS DURING THOSE HOURS.
AND THEN FOR LUGO THAT RUNS A BIT LATER TILL 10:00 PM ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UH, WITH TRANSIT, YOU ALWAYS SEE DIFFERENT TRENDS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
RIDERSHIP WISE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL OFTEN SEE IS THE LAST HOUR SERVICE IS ALWAYS DISPROPORTIONATELY LOWER TRANSIT.
GENERALLY PEOPLE DON'T WANNA RISK GETTING THE LAST BUS OF THE NIGHTS AND PERHAPS SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND YOU MISS IT.
SO NATURALLY YOU ALWAYS SEE KIND OF THE FIRST HOUR OF THE DAY AND ESPECIALLY THE LAST HOUR OF THE DAY, YOU'LL SEE A LOWER RIDERSHIP.
BUT THAT LAST HOUR OR TWO IS QUITE A BIT LOWER AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BAR CHARTS, UM, COMPARED TO THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE WOULD ELIMINATE SERVICE AFTER 7:00 PM THAT WOULD PROVIDE ANNUAL SAVINGS OF 65,000 PER YEAR AND THAT WOULD IMPACT PARATRANSIT SERVICE ROUTES TO 11 AND 33 AND THEN POTENTIALLY LUGO.
SO IN SUMMARY OF THOSE PRIOR, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT THERE ON THIS CHART.
IF YOU WERE TO DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR FY 27 TO SAVINGS OF 929,000.
AND SO IF YOU PAIR THAT WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, THE IMPACT ON THAT FOR THE FY 27 DEFICIT GOES FROM NEGATIVE NINE 15 TO A POSITIVE 14,000.
AND SO THIS IS THE SUMMARY CHART OF THE TWO PRIOR SECTIONS.
SO THESE AREN'T PRESENTED IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, SO UM, IT'S MORE OF A RANDOM ORDER.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY OF THESE ONE ABOVE THE OTHER.
THAT'S SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'D LIKE TO RECEIVE TONIGHT.
YOU OF COURSE SEE THINGS LIKE THE FARES IN THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
ONE THING WORTH NOTING WITH FARES, IT DOESN'T REALLY COVER IN THE SLIDE, BUT EVEN IF YOU RESUME FAIR COLLECTION, THERE ARE SOME COSTS AS WELL TO COLLECTING THOSE FARES.
IT'S NOT ENTIRELY A HUNDRED PERCENT PROFITABLE ENTERPRISE.
SO THERE'D BE PERHAPS 50,000 OR SO WE DID RESUME FAIR COLLECTION.
BUT GENERALLY THIS SHOWS A SUMMARY OF ALL THOSE PRIOR ITEMS AND WE NUMBER THEM SO PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, IT'S EASIER TO CALL THEM OUT.
BUT IF YOU DO THE TOTAL OF THESE ITEMS, YOU WOULD RECEIVE FOR FY 27, A SAVINGS OF $1,074,000.
SO THE IMPACT AGAIN ON THE DEFICIT FOR FY 27, THAT NINE 15 DEFICIT, THAT BECOMES A SURPLUS OF 159,000.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACTS ON OUTGOING YEARS, ASSUMING YOU DIDN'T DO ANY OTHER CHANGES BEYOND THESE ITEMS. BUT THEY CONTINUED.
FY 28 GOES FROM A NEGATIVE 1.6 MILLION TO A NEGATIVE 483,000 AND THEN IMPACTS ON FY 29 AS WELL.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS WHICH OF THESE ITEMS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED ABOVE OTHERS? AND THEN EVEN WHAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE WANNA LOOK AT TO IDENTIFY, WE OF COURSE WANNA TRY TO RESOLVE THE FY 27 FUNDING SITUATION, BUT HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA LOOK AT TRYING TO RESOLVE THE FY 28 AND 29 AT THIS TIME? SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, THE FIRST ITEM BRINGS US TO TONIGHT.
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SO WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP HERE WITH THE COMMUNITY.UH, OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WOULD OCCUR AT THE REGULAR TAC MEETING TIME, WHICH WOULD BE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17TH.
IF WE DON'T CHANGE IT, THAT'S AT 5:00 PM OF COURSE HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR TONIGHT AND SUBSEQUENT WEEKS FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THE INPUT THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION, WHAT I WOULD CALL A PACKAGE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THAT NEXT MEETING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT PACKAGE AND A RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION ON THE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD MODIFY GOING FORWARD.
AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT ITEM TO COUNCIL ON MONDAY, APRIL 6TH FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, OF COURSE THE ITEM FROM TAC IS A RECOMMENDATION AND THE FINAL ACTION IS TAKEN BY COUNCIL ITSELF.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON APRIL 6TH.
AND THEN WE HAVE MAY 4TH AS A SECOND BACKUP MEETING IF THERE WAS ANY DELAY, IF COUNSEL WANTED TO DISCUSS THINGS A SECOND TIME, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN FROM THOSE POINTS WE WOULD WORK ON IMPLEMENTING THE CHANGES THE DAY WHEN THESE ITEMS WOULD UM, BE MODIFIED WOULD BE JULY 5TH, 2026 AS THE INTENDED START DATE.
SO AS WE DIVE INTO THE DISCUSSION A BIT MORE, JUST TO HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS FOR WHAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, WHAT TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS AND CRITERIA SHOULD WE LOOK AT OR MAKING THESE DECISIONS? WE HAD SOME OUTLINED ON THE PRIOR SLIDES.
ARE THOSE THE CORRECT ONES? ARE THERE ONES WE'RE MISSING? HOW BEST SHOULD WE LOOK AT THIS? HOW MUCH OF THE FUNDING SITUATION DO WE WANNA RESOLVE? IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS NINE 15 OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT NUMBER TO GO FURTHER INTO THE BUDGET BEYOND THAT, AND IF SO, IS THERE A PARTICULAR NUMBER WE WANT TO TARGET? WHAT CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE ADDED OR REMOVED FROM THE SERVICE MODIFICATION LIST? THERE'S A TON OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS YOU CAN DO ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE LEVEL, TIME OF DAY CONSIDERATION.
WE DIDN'T CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE IN THIS PRESENTATION, SO I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR POSSIBILITY.
AND THEN WHAT'S SORT OF THE HIERARCHY OF THESE ITEMS? IF ANY ITEMS WERE MODIFIED REDUCED, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO CHANGE, THE LAST ONES THAT WE WANNA AVOID AS MUCH AS WE CAN, HEARING THAT TYPE OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE AND FROM THE PUBLIC IS ALSO HELPFUL AS WELL.
AND THEN ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, LATELY WE'VE BEEN STARTING DOWN AT FRANKS END, BUT I THINK NO, START WITH FRANK.
ALRIGHT, I'M HAPPY TO GO, BUT WE ARE, THESE ARE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA LOAD YOU UP WITH SO MANY COMMENTS.
UH, I'LL KEEP IT TO QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, OKAY, SO I TOOK SOME DOWN HERE.
UH, GIMME JUST A, A QUICK MOMENT.
UH, SO THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE A LOADED QUESTION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, AND IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE, IT'S LIKE I JUST GENUINELY WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS.
THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH OS OADS, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO TERMINATE THAT IF WE DON'T RECEIVE THE, THE GRANT THAT'S CURRENTLY FUNDING THAT.
UM, AND SO WHEN I HEARD THAT THE, SO ONE, ONE OF THE FIRST THOUGHTS THAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS, OH, I WONDER IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A GOAL FOR INCREASING, UM, AD REVENUE AT BUS STOPS AND TI AND, AND USE THAT REVENUE TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE.
BUT IT MADE ME, UH, WONDER LIKE, DO WE FEEL LIKE THE VALUE THAT WE GET FOR THE SERVICE IS WORTH THE COST? SO A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE, THAT REVENUE FOR BUS SHELTER ADS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WITH THE ADVERTISING PROGRAM THAT STARTED JUST THIS MONTH, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT EARMARKED FOR ANY POTENTIAL SPECIFIC USE MM-HMM
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE PROGRAM.
AS WE MENTIONED, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF THE COMMENT OVER THE YEARS IN SUPPORT OF ITS, WE THINK THAT OS AND U-C-P-N-B ARE GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND NONPROFITS THAT WE'VE REALLY LOVE SUPPORTING.
UM, AND THERE'S A LARGE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ITEM THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HOPING TO RECEIVE THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR.
THAT BEING SAID, I DO THINK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS
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AND THE BUDGET SITUATION THAT WE ARE, I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE IS OVERLAP WITH SERVICES THAT WE DO HAVE THE BUS STOP UTILITY WORKERS WHO ARE PROVIDING CLEANING SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK AND DOING SOME OF THE CLEANING ITEMS THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE, UH, OWES CONTRACT.THINGS LIKE GRAFFITI REMOVAL, PRESSURE WASHING.
SO ALTHOUGH WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO KEEP BOTH OF THOSE OPERATING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS AND WE KINDA KEEP THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT GOING IN THE EVENT THAT WE DON'T, IT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD END IT.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL BENEFITS TO IT, I WOULD SAY.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR, UM, FOR THAT CONTRACT TO SHIFT TO A DIFFERENT AREA WITHIN THE CITY? I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL.
THE CONTRACT WAS SET UP IN A WAY THAT ANY PARTS OF THE CITY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SO IT HAS DIFFERENT RATES, HOURLY RATE, WEEKLY RATE, MONTHLY RATE.
SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL ITEMS. IF THERE WAS OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT DID HAVE INTEREST IN WORKING WITH OS THAT IS PART OF WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR WITHIN THAT CONTRACT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD SPECIFICALLY IF ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, HAVE NEED OF THOSE SERVICE WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS POTENTIAL, IT COULD BE DISCUSSED FURTHER PERHAPS.
UM, ON THE, ON THE SLIDES FOR, I MEAN REALLY WE TALKED ABOUT ROUTE TWO, ROUTE 11 LUMA AGO WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT A, AT AN INCREASE HEADWAY 15 MINUTES DUE TO GRANTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND WE, I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CONTINUE, UM, THAT HEADWAY WHILE WE, WHILE WE'RE RECEIVING THE GRANT.
UM, DO THOSE GRANTS, YOU KNOW, OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL COST COMPLETELY? LIKE IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE EVEN MORE IF WE REVERTED THE HEADWAY AND GAVE ANY UNUSED GRANTS BACK? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A THING, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHERE MY HEAD WAS GOING WITH THAT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THAT ONE COMMITTEE? YEAH, SO IT DEPENDS ON THE GRANT, UH, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO MTIS, UH, GHOST AND IMA GRANT, UH, THAT FUNDS THREE VARIOUS, UM, PROGRAM I'LL CALL 'EM.
UH, SO IT PARTIALLY FUNDS SCHOOL TRIPPERS, IT PARTIALLY FUNDS LUMA GO AND IT PARTIALLY FUNDS HEADWAYS.
IT'S ENOUGH TO ENTIRELY FUND HEADWAYS, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T ALSO ENTIRELY FUND SCHOOL TRIPPERS OR, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MIX AND MATCH OF THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, WE DO HAVE THE A HSC GRANT, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES GRANT, UH, WHICH COMES IN ONCE ONCE THE MERIDIAN AT CORONA CROSSING, I HOPE I GET THAT NAME RIGHT.
BUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT, ONCE PEOPLE BEGIN MOVING AND LIVING IN THERE, WE ESTIMATE 400 K COMING IN, UM, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO HIGHER FREQUENCY CORRIDORS AND THAT AMOUNT WOULD SUSTAIN IT.
LIKE THAT GRANT ALONE WOULD SUSTAIN THE ROUTE TWO AND 11 CORRIDOR.
BUT LIKE THE MTIS GRANT BECAUSE IT FUNDS VARIOUS STREAMS, WHAT DOESN'T SUSTAIN THAT ENTIRELY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
MERIDIAN OF COURSE HAS BROKEN GROUND.
SO, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT GOES SUCCESSFUL AND WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN RESIDENTS MOVING IN FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UM, SO I NOTICED THAT UH, ON SLIDE 34, UH, THERE WAS THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR UM, DISCONTINUE OR REDUCING DISCONTINUING EVENING SERVICE.
UH, AND I KNOW THOSE ROUTES WERE THE CROSS TOWN AND THEN ROUTES ON THE EAST SIDE.
ARE THERE EVENING ROUTES ON THE WEST SIDE THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY AS WELL? THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY, THE ONLY ROUTES THAT WE HAVE SERVING WEST PETALUMA IS 5 0 1, WHICH IS AN IRREGULAR SCHEDULE.
THAT'S THE SCHOOL TRIPPER ROUTE.
AND THEN LUGO, THERE'S NO FIXED ROUTE BUS THAT CURRENTLY SERVES A MAJORITY OF WEST PETALUMA.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT OVER THE YEARS.
I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE PROBABLY HAVE MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
ONE OF WHICH IS LIKE THE STREET GRID ITSELF.
IT'S HARD IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PRIMARY ARTERIAL THAT'S LINEAR, WHEREAS THE STREET GRID IN WEST PETALUMA'S A BIT MORE JAGGED AND THERE'S NOT LOGICAL ROADS NECESSARILY YOU WOULD PROVIDE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT IN THE PAST, EVEN SOMEWHAT PREDATING MY TIME.
UH, BUT I, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO HEAR FROM PEOPLE REGULARLY IS THEY DO WANT MORE SERVICE IN WEST PETALUMA, WHETHER THAT'S FIXED DROUGHT, LUGO, ANY OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST, UH, QUESTION AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE COMMENTS, BUT UH, ON THE SLIDE 36, THE POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS ALL SORT OF TOTALED AROUND 1.1 MILLION
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AND, AND, UH, AND, AND SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE MEETING.IT'S LIKE WHAT SHOULD THAT NUMBER BE? AND UM, KIND OF IN MY MIND I WAS THINKING OF TAKING THE TOTAL DEFICIT FOR THE THREE YEARS, UH, SUMMING IT AND DIVIDING IT BY THREE AND WONDERING IF THAT SHOULD BE THE TARGET.
SO, UM, THAT'S A, A LITTLE, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE COMMENT SECTION, BUT I BUT THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD THE TARGET BE BECAUSE, UM, I FEAR A LITTLE BIT THAT IF WE UNDERSHOOT IN THE FIRST YEAR, THAT WE EVEN HAVE TO CUT MORE SERVICE IN THE LATER YEARS.
UM, SO, AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S PART OF THE DELIBERATION, THE CONSIDERATION WE HAVE TONIGHT IS WHAT IS THE PREFERRED SCENARIO? THE BETTER, THE WORSE.
IF YOU GO ON THE LOWER END, THEN YOU'RE PERHAPS COMING BACK NEXT YEAR AND HAVING A REPEAT OF THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT.
IF YOU DO MORE, THEN PERHAPS THE ECONOMIC SITUATION DOES IMPROVE A BIT FASTER.
OUR TDA FUND OR PRIMARY ONE HAS BEEN DOWN FOR SEVERAL QUARTERS.
THE MOST RECENT QUARTER WAS UP ABOUT 4% FOR SONOMA COUNTY WHERE IT HAD BEEN FLAT FOR THE THREE PRIOR.
SO IF YOU CUT MORE THAN YOU HAD TO, THEN YOU ARE IMPACTING PEOPLE AND THEIR ABILITY AND THEIR KIND OF LIFESTYLE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY STRIKING A BALANCE OF THOSE TWO.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF A GUIDANCE TYPE ISSUE WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UH, PEOPLE TONIGHT WITH THEIR THOUGHTS ON.
UH, THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
ONE WAS, WHAT'S THE DESTINATION, MOST POPULAR DESTINATION FOR WHO LUMA GO? I WOULD SAY SMART STATION, THE DOWNTOWN SMART STATION, UM, TARGET SHOPPING AREA, EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, THE TOP THREE.
YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE THE TOP ONES I WOULD SAY.
I KNOW IN PRIOR PRESENTATIONS WE LAID OUT THE TOP 10.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE, THE OTHER THING YOU'D MENTIONED THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE ROUTE NUMBER, BUT IT MAY BE NUMBER ONE THAT GOES OUT PEDAL BOULEVARD, ROUTE 10 10.
AND YOU SAID THE SPECIFIC AREA THAT YOU WANTED COVERED WAS THE OUTLET MALL.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ATTRACTIONS FOR THAT ROUTE GOING ALL THE WAY OUT THERE.
IT GOES ALL OUT ALL THE WAY OUT TO DENNY'S OR, AND THAT, DOESN'T IT GO OUT ALL THAT FAR? NOT QUITE THAT FAR.
IT GOES TO, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE THE GO PARK AND RIDE IS.
A LITTLE TURNAROUND, A LITTLE PASS THE OUTLET IT GOES THERE, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO GO BEYOND THE, UH, OUTLET MALL.
I, I MEAN REALLY IS THAT A QUESTION? IT IS.
THE QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T WE GET SOME SOMETHING WITH LUMA GO AND MAKE IT A AVAIL MORE AVAILABLE FOR SHOPPING AREAS? AND THEN I GUESS THIS ISN'T THE QUESTION.
AND THEN, UH, POSSIBLY
I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT ALL THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAD AND IT'S REALLY NOT A QUESTION, IT'S JUST A FOR HEADS UP.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE TABLE FROM THE DOCUMENT FOR KNIGHT, THE FIXED ROUTE COSTS US 4.6 MILLION.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCREPANCY THERE AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS, BUT IT SEEMS SIGNIFICANT.
CAN YOU ELUCIDATE THAT'S MY QUESTION,
CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL UP THE LIST OF THE LIST OF ADJUSTMENTS ON, ON, YEAH.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PARTICULAR SLIDE THAT WAS? UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALMOND? UH, WELL IT'S A SE IT'S SEVERAL SLIDES.
IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT OR 10 SLIDES IN A ROW THAT HAD WELL JARED ANSWERS THAT, UM, I CAN, OR WELL, JARED PULLS IT UP.
UM, SO THE WAY OUR STAFF MEMBER CALCULATED THIS IS, UM, BASED UPON JUST, UM, DRIVER HOURS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COST IS.
'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO APPORTION, LIKE THIS ROUTE COSTS THIS MUCH.
AND SO THE TOTAL FIXED ROUTE THAT YOU SEE INCLUDES ALL OF THE OPERATING COSTS THAT GO WITH IT, PARTS MAINTENANCE AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT IT'S HARD TO GENERATE, LIKE THIS ROUTE COSTS THIS MUCH IN TIRES EVERY YEAR.
AND SO THE, THAT'S HOW SHE IS.
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SPECIFIC IN THE, AT LEAST WE KNOW AT MINIMUM IT COSTS THIS MUCH TO OPERATE JUST ON DRIVER HOURS.BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, AND AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT A QUESTION HERE.
IT'S LIKE I'M PLAYING JEOPARDY.
UM, IF WE DO CUT A ROUTE, THERE WILL BE SOME SAVINGS.
AND GIVEN THE FACT THERE'S A DISCREPANCY OF PERHAPS THREE BETWEEN WHAT THE ROUTES ADD UP TO AND WHAT THE TOTAL IS THAT, THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, SOME HUGE, UH, LOOSENESS IN THERE.
UH, CAN YOU HELP OUT OR YEAH, SO THERE WOULD BE AN ESTIMATED SAVINGS IN OPERATING COSTS AS WELL, SUCH AS GAS FOR SURE.
UM, AND, UH, VEHICLE WEAR AND TEAR.
BUT BECAUSE IT, LIKE, RIGHT, LIKE VEHICLE WEAR AND TEAR THAT WE CAN ESTIMATE THAT TIRES WEAR OUT AFTER HOW MANY MILES AND STUFF.
SO IN ORDER TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, THE MINIMUM WOULD BE THAT, BUT THE RANGE COULD BE UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN BECOMES, WOULDN'T IT BE MORE REASONABLE TO SAY OUR, IF OUR TOTAL FIXED ROUTE COST IS 4.6 MILLION, JUST DIVIDE THAT UP BETWEEN THE ROUTES BASED ON HOW MANY HOURS IN EACH ROUTE AND SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD SAVE.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK OUT QUITE THE WAY, BUT I THINK IT STRIKES ME AS BEING CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES SOME FIXED COSTS SUCH AS OPERATING SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT LIKE NO MATTER HOW MUCH IN ROUTES WE CUT, SO THOSE, YOU KNOW, FIXED COSTS THAT WE HAVE WOULD NOT CHANGE AT ALL JUST BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S THE COST OF OPERATING.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE RATHER THAN OVERESTIMATE THE POSSIBILITY, UM, THAT WAS HOW THOSE SLIDES WERE CALCULATED.
AND I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR MR. HALL, BUT I THINK IT TIES INTO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ADD UP THE NUMBERS FROM THE SLIDES, BUT I, WELL, I KNOW FOR SURE THAT OUR FIXED ROUTE RIDERSHIP WAS 300, 2000 PEOPLE LUMA AGO STRUCK ME AS SOMEWHERE AROUND 30 TO 40,000 RIDERSHIP.
SO THE COST OF FIXED ROUTE OR THE RIDERSHIP OF FIXED ROUTE IS ROUGHLY WHAT, NINE TIMES THE RIDERSHIP OF LUMA GO.
BUT IF I LOOK AT OUR BUDGETING SUMMARY, THE COST OF FIXED ROUTE IS ABOUT 10 TIMES THE COST OF LUMA GO FROM THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT TELLS ME WE PAY LESS TO CARRY A SINGLE LUMA GO RIDER, AN INDIVIDUAL LUMA GO RIDER THAN WE DO TO CARRY AN INDIVIDUAL FIXED ROUTE RIDER.
YOU KNOW, LUMA GO AVERAGE RIDERSHIP DURING THE DAY, CONSIDERING THEY HAVE THE DEADHEAD IS PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS THAN ONE AND OUR BUSES TEND TO BE SIX OR SEVEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE, ARE JUST SEEM BACKWARDS AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE EXPERIENCE NATIONWIDE, WE KNOW MICRO TRANSIT TYPICALLY COSTS SEVEN, EIGHT TO TIMES, EIGHT TIMES PER RIDER WHAT IT DOES FOR FIXED ROUTE.
SO OUR NUMBERS AREN'T ADDING UP HERE.
WHEN WE PRESENTED ON LUGO A FEW MONTHS BACK, WE SAW THAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE SERVICES PARATRANSIT, AND THEN THE NEXT MOST EXPENSE WOULD BE LUGO.
AND THEN THE CHEAPEST ON A PER RIDER BASIS WAS THE FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM.
UM, I BELIEVE THE LADDER WAS ABOUT AVERAGE OF 10 TO $15, UH, PER RIDER.
SOMEWHERE IN THERE AT LUGO, I BELIEVE IS AROUND 20 PER RIDER.
AND EVEN THAT STRIKES ME A LITTLE BIT CLOSE, BUT, BUT THE NUM THE NUMBERS HERE DON'T, DON'T REFLECT THAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, HERE, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE LUGO'S ACTUALLY A TOUCH CHEAPER.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
UM, SECOND THING I, OR THIRD THING I GUESS I HEARD IT DESCRIBED THAT OUR GOAL FOR TONIGHT IS TO REDUCE OUR DEFICIT BY 915,000 OPERATING DEFICIT FOR NEXT YEAR.
BUT, OKAY, LET ME BACK UP ONE STEP FROM THAT.
IF I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE OPERATING BUDGET SUMMARY, IT IS CALLED ANNUAL OPERATING SURPLUS SLASH DEFICIT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE CITY TERMINOLOGY.
I THINK WE WOULD TEND TO CALL IT AS LAY PEOPLE OUR RESERVE.
UM, IF WE REDUCE OPERATING, UH, OUR OPERATING DEFICIT BY 915,000, WE END UP WITH AN END OF THE YEAR RESERVE OF ZERO.
AND, AND WE'RE CALLING THAT OUR TARGET.
BUT IF WE END UP WITH A OPERATING RESERVE OF ZERO AND WE'RE ONE, WE'RE ONE FLAT TIRE AWAY FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS, THAT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS A REASONABLE TARGET.
WE, UH, AND I GUESS TO SORT OF BUILD ON THAT, WE HAVE A POLICY, AS YOU SAID, OUR POLICY IS TO HAVE HALF OF OUR OPERATING ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS IN RESERVE THIS YEAR.
WE'RE 6.4 MILLION, HALF THAT 3.2 MILLION.
WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW TO GET OUR RESERVE BACK TO 3.2 MILLION RATHER THAN TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM GOING NEGATIVE? AM I, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? NO, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
IT'S HOW MUCH WE WANNA MODIFY THE SERVICE IN THE SYSTEM.
AGAIN, THAT IMPACTS THE IMMEDIATE DEFICIT OF THE
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NINE 15 OR THE ONGOING ONE.AND WE WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT LARGER GOAL OF HAVING THE SIX MONTH OPERATING RESERVE.
SO I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
THAT WOULD VERY MUCH BE OUR PREFERENCE IS TO BE BACK IN THAT BOAT WHERE WE HAVE THAT OPERATING RESERVE AGAIN.
IF ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS WENT AS THEY ARE HERE, THEN THAT BASICALLY PUTS YOU AT EVEN THAT NINE 15 NUMBER.
WELL, AND, AND AGAIN, I I WOULD NOT SAY ENDING UP WITH A RESERVE OF ZERO IS EVEN, UH, THAT'S ALMOST THE, IT'S LIKE HAVING A CHECKING ACCOUNT WITH $0 IN IT WHEN YOU HAVE BILLS STILL TO PAY AND SAYING YOU'RE STILL DOING OKAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S, IT'S STILL, IT'S NOT NEGATIVE YET.
UM, SORRY, BUT I THINK I'LL STOP THERE ABOUT TIME.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS PLEASE? YEAH.
UM, SO ONE QUESTION I HAD, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOME OF THE ROUTES, UM, THAT WERE MAYBE LESS FREQUENTLY USED, WENT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PLACES WITH, UH, LOTS OF BUSINESSES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE OUTLET MALL.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF REACHING OUT TO THE BUSINESSES TO SEE IF THEY MIGHT SPONSOR A ROUTE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE.
UH, WE HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY REACHED OUT WITH THAT ASK TO THEM BEFORE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD ASK THAT REQUEST.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RESPONSE WOULD BE, BUT OF COURSE WE'RE TRYING TO TURN OVER EVERY LEAF HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE DOLLARS.
SO SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO FURTHER.
UH, AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WAS JUST ON KIND OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE PACKAGE THAT WE END UP SUBMITTING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS IT JUST INTENDED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR REG UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ROUTE MODIFICATIONS? OR COULD IT POSSIBLY INCLUDE THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE KNOCK ON EFFECTS ARE OF THESE ROUTE MODIFICATIONS? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T ADVOCATE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GREATER PROPORTION OF THE BUDGET PUT TOWARDS TRANSIT, BUT I THINK IT, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS LIKE THE IMPACT ON, UM, EMPLOYMENT RIDERSHIP, POVERTY, UH, AIR QUALITY, AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE PACKAGE, UM, OR THINGS LIKE WAYS THAT WE COULD IMPROVE THE SERVICE EVEN IF WE HAD TO REDUCE IT BY, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN PLACE, UH, DEDICATED BUS LANES OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE EVEN IF WE DO HAVE TO MODIFY THE SERVICE, WE CAN MAKE THE SERVICE A LITTLE BETTER FOR THE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO USE IT IN SOME WAY.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
I THINK WHEN WE BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE CAN MODIFY AND INCLUDE THOSE AREAS.
OF COURSE, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL AGAIN, THE DECISION THEY WANT TO MAKE IS WHAT'S THE NUMBER THEY WANNA LOOK AT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING CURRENTLY AT OUR EXISTING TRANSIT ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
WE'RE NOT ASSUMING ANY OTHER REVENUES OUT THERE.
OF COURSE WE KNOW ABOUT THE OVERALL, UH, CITY FISCAL SITUATION.
SO WE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN THAT REGARD.
BUT THAT'S ALWAYS PART OF THE DELIBERATION THAT YOU HAVE IS WHAT THOSE ITEMS LOOK LIKE.
I HAVE A QUESTION UP AGAIN ABOUT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS AND COULD YOU PULL UP THE, THE SLIDE THAT SAYS IF WE IMPLEMENTED ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'VE ALREADY MADE? THE, THE ONE THAT TOTALS UP, IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK THERE.
AND ARE YOU TAKING, UH, I JUST DIDN'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
ARE YOU JUST GRABBING THE NUMBER RECOMMENDATION? JUST FOR EXAMPLE, LUMA GO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, UM, EQUALS FOUR 20 K ANNUAL.
UM, SO THAT'S IN THE 26, 27 FISCAL YEAR COLUMN.
UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE TOO, BUT AS I'M READING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS GRANT GOES THROUGH 2028.
SO I, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN ALL JUST PUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE, AND I KNOW IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT DO WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THESE NUMBERS OR IS OR, OR NOT? BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING THAT WE WOULD D TAKE THE SERVICE AWAY UNTIL THE GRANT GOES AWAY.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET, I, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT, HOW THE SAVINGS IS THERE RIGHT.
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SO WE WANTED TO BE CONSERVATIVE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE ASSUMPTIONS ON THESE NUMBERS.SO THE NUMBER YOU SEE FOR LUGO IS FOUR 20.
THAT ASSUMES THAT THE SERVICE JUST ENDED ALTOGETHER, RIGHT.
BUT WE FOUND OUT OVER RECENT WEEKS THAT WE HAVE THAT TENTATIVE GRANT AGREEMENTS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WITH LUGO IN PARTICULAR, IT'S WHAT WOULD YOU WANNA DO? GENERALLY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TURN BACK GRANTS.
YOU WANNA MAXIMIZE THEM, GET EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN.
SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE RECEIVE THAT GRANT FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU KEEP OPERATING IT.
BUT EVEN UNDER THAT SCENARIO, IF YOU RAN IT FOR A FULL YEAR, YOU WOULD BE SHORT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK 280 K IF YOU WANTED TO USE A GRANT AND RUN IT FOR A FULL FISCAL YEAR, EVEN IF YOU ACCEPTED THE GRANT AND RAN LUGO FOR THE GRANT PERIOD, YOU'RE SHORT, I BELIEVE A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED K.
SO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, YOU COULD ADJUST THIS FOUR 20 TO APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
UM, WOULD THAT BE THE RIGHT NUMBER TO ME, WITH SORT OF A CAVEAT THAT IT RUNS FOR A PORTION OF THE YEAR, THIS ASSUMES THE ENTIRE SERVICE RUNS FOR THE ENTIRE PORTION OF THE YEAR.
AND WITH THAT GRANT IT'S TENTATIVE AS OF NOW, CORRECT? IT'S NOT FULLY AWARDED.
YEAH, IT'S TENTATIVELY AWARDED.
UM, YEAH, I, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN WITH THE NUMBERS BEING IN THE COLUMNS.
UM, BUT I, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE USED LUMA GO BUT BE, BUT IT'S LIKE SOME ROUTE TWO AND ROUTE 11 PEAK TIME BECAUSE THOSE, WE HAVE GRANTS RUNNING THROUGH 2028 ALSO.
AND I, IS THE SAVINGS UNRELATED TO THE, HOW DO WE GET SAVINGS OF STOPPING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GETTING A GRANT TO DO? YEAH, SO THERE IS THE QUESTION AND WE WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH OUR GRANTORS IS ONCE WE EXPEND FUNDING, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RESUME PREVIOUS SERVICE? UM, SO THERE IS THAT OF USE UP THE GRANT ENTIRELY, USE UP THE MATCHING FUNDS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED WITH THE GRANT AND THEN DISCUSS WITH THE GRANTORS IF IT'S NOT PART OF LIKE A CONTRACT FOR US TO POSSIBLY, UM, SWITCH BACK TO LESS SERVICE DEPENDING ON THAT.
AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO RESUME EARLIER.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT GOT PUT IN.
THAT IS LIKE A POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.
BUT FACTORS TO CONSIDER OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO PER OUR GRANT FUNDING.
UM, BUT BECAUSE SOME GRANTS FUND MULTIPLE PROJECTS OR SOME GRANTS ARE JUST A PORTION, LIKE IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS SFA GRANT, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN TENTATIVELY AWARDED THE SFA GRANT, IT WOULD ONLY FUND A SMALL PORTION OF LUGO, UM, ABOUT A A QUARTER TO A THIRD, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE.
UM, THEN THE DECISION GETS, UM, THEN THERE IS THE DECISION OF WHAT WOULD BE BEST, UM, FINANCIALLY AND BEST OF SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT'S LIKE UP IN THE AIR OF WHAT THE BEST DECISION IS TO MAKE.
AND ONE THING TO ADD IS THIS IS AGAIN, BEING CONSERVATIVE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WE'RE NOT PRESUMING ADDITIONAL GRANTS OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET, HAVEN'T EVEN APPLIED FOR.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE SUCCESS WITH RECEIVING THOSE ADDITIONAL GRANTS.
BUT AT THIS POINT WE THOUGHT IT WAS PRUDENT TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THOSE NUMBERS, NOT ASSUME WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL GRANTS WOULD LOOK LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE.
OKAY, LET ME TRY MY QUESTION ANOTHER WAY THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO ASK IT.
IT SAYS THAT THE 15 MINUTE HEADWAY IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY GRANTS.
SO SHOULD I BE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COST TO US, UH, FOR ROUTE, I JUST HAPPEN TO BE LOOKING AT ROUTE TWO OF THE, THE ADDITIONAL OF THE 15 MINUTE, UH, HEADWAY IS THAT THE COST TO US ABOVE THE GRANTS IS 50 K.
SO IF WE STOP DOING IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST WENT BACK TO THEN THAT'S HOW WE SAVE $50,000.
AND SO THE COST TO US, TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT OF RUNNING LUMA GO AFTER THE GRANTS IS 420 K.
SO IF WE JUST STOPPED DOING IT, THAT WOULD BE AN EXPENDITURE THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO MAKE.
I THINK THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IS ONCE THE GRANT IS WE WOULD SPEND, NO, NOT, NOT THE, NOT, IT'S LIKE IF IT'S A PARTIALLY FUNDED MM-HMM
GRANT, DOES IT JUST, LET'S FORGET, WE'LL GO FOR A MINUTE WITH ROUTE TWO AND 11 OR ROUTE TWO, IS IT COSTING US 50,000 A YEAR MORE THAN IT DID BEFORE WE GOT THE GRANTS CORRECT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET THE GRANTS WHICH PAYS BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
AND THEN THERE'S 50,000 MORE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT WE DIDN'T PAY BEFORE IN ORDER TO RUN THE 15.
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YEAH.SO THERE'S A COST INCREASE ASSOCIATED WITH RUNNING THE HEADWAYS AND SO THAT MAKES IT SEEM THAT IT COSTS THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT $420, $420,000 AFTER THE GRANTS ARE SPENT TO RUN LUMA GO FOR A YEAR.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE FOR, FOR THE LOGIC TO BE THE SAME, THAT WOULD BE, IT'S LIKE I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA SAVE A HUNDRED, 420,000 BY STOPPING LUMA GO UNLESS IT'S COSTING US THAT AFTER THE GRANT MONEY IS SPENT.
YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY GRANTS COMING IN, A FULL YEAR OF SERVICE WOULD COST US 420 KA LU AGO.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T RUN THAT SERVICE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE SAVINGS YOU WOULD RECEIVE AS A RESULT OF THAT.
ASSUMING AGAIN, THERE'S NO GRANTS.
HOWEVER, I THINK KAMI JUST TOLD ME THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING COMING IN, IT WOULD COST US A LOT MORE THAN 50,000 A YEAR TO RUN 15 MINUTE HEADWAY.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THE MATH ON THESE PARTIALLY FUNDED SERVICES AND IT CONFUSES ME.
SO I, I WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE SENSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THE NUMBERS, BUT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN TELL ME THAT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I MEAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IF IT DOES, I'D BE LYING TO YOU IF I DID.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S ALSO WORTH CONSIDERING IS THERE'S ALSO IMPLICATIONS OF THINGS LIKE PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
SO SOMETIMES THE COST, IT'S NOT PURELY JUST THE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE HOUR COSTS.
IF BY MODIFYING A SERVICE AND ENDING IT ON THE FIXED ROUTE SIDE, YOU THEN WOULD NOT BE RUNNING PARATRANSIT SERVICE AS A RESULT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU END ALL THE SERVICE HOURLY ONE HOUR EARLIER IN THE DAY, THAT NOT JUST BENEFITS YOU ON FIXED ROUT, IT ALSO CUTS DOWN ON YOUR PARATRANSIT COSTS.
SO THAT ALSO IS SOME OF THE DIFFERENCE YOU'VE SEEN THAT'S WORKED IN THERE WITHOUT US ADDING IN THE SPECIFIC LINE FOR HERE'S THE PARATRANSIT COSTS TIED TO THOSE.
THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU SEE ON SOME OF THESE, LIKE WITH SUNDAY SURFACE FOR EXAMPLE.
EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT PARSED OUT SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT COST.
I'LL, I'LL LET, LET MY QUESTION GO THAT I DIDN'T UNDER, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FOUR 20 SAVINGS ON THE FIRST YEAR WITH LUGO SINCE WE HAVE GRANTS AND THAT THAT'S THE TOTAL COST OF LUGO.
SO I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED SORT OF IN THE BEGINNING WHEN IT COMES TO THE GRANTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING NOW.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE GRANT A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE CAN WORK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THAT SERVICE OR ANY OF THESE, YOU CAN REALLY FINE TUNE THEM QUITE A BIT.
SO YOU COULD LOOK AT IT BY DAY, THE WEEK BY HOUR.
WE DIDN'T RUN THROUGH EVERY PERMUTATION THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO, BUT I THINK THAT'S TYPE OF ANALYSIS YOU COULD DO.
IF WE HAD GUIDANCE THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO REMOVE THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD TRY TO TRIM AROUND THE EDGES, PRUNE IT, PUT A COST ESTIMATE TO THAT, AND THEN SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE IN THE LARGER SCOPE.
SO THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT WE CAN DO MORE AS WELL.
YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, PRUNING, WE CAN DO
'CAUSE I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT LUMA GO IS STILL VERY POPULAR SERVICE FOR FOLKS.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAD, AND THIS WAS MORE OF A SMALLER THING AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OF A CONVENIENCE OR A HINDRANCE THIS WOULD BE, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THINKING OUT OF THE BOX HERE, SUGGESTED DONATIONS THAT WE ASK WRITERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, I KNOW WE HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE CUMBERSOME HAVING THE CASHS AND HAVING TO DEPOSIT IT AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LABOR TO HAVE TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTED OUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO MORE AS WELL.
YEAH, I'VE GOT NO MORE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS, PATTY? THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ASKING SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, I, UM, GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT A COMMITTEE MEMBER ERIC JUST SAID, UH, ABOUT RESUMING FAIR COLLECTION BECAUSE, UM, I'M NOT SURE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT FAIRES CAN BRING IN REVENUE, BUT THEN ALSO ADMINISTRATION OF FAIR COLLECTION IS COSTS AS YOU HAD SAID, MAYBE $50,000.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THEN RE
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HOW MUCH THAT REDUCES, UM, THE AMOUNT WE WOULD GET, UH, FROM FAIRS.I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD ON THE SLIDE WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE FAIR PROGRAM CHANGES.
UM, AND SO MAYBE THAT'S MY QUESTION ABOUT DOES THE COLLECTION OF FARES, THE, THE, THE COST FOR COLLECTING FARES, WHAT'S LEFT OF THE FARES COLLECTED AFTER YOU, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE COST? DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS YOU WANNA TAKE THAT TO ME? YEAH.
IF WE'RE ESTIMATING LUMA GO'S RIDERSHIP, UM, THIS YEAR, UH, TIMES A DOLLAR 50 FARE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CHARGE ON FIXED ROUTE, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 40 K TO 50 K WORTH OF REVENUE.
UM, THAT DOESN'T FACTOR IN POTENTIAL RIDERSHIP LOSS BECAUSE LUGO IS CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, A FAIR FREE SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I KNOW JARED MENTIONED ABOUT 50 K WORTH, UM, OF COLLECTION SERVICE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD INVOLVE LIKE BRINK TRUCKS, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
IT MAY BE LESS IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO MAKE LUGO, UM, ENTIRELY DIGITAL SINCE YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW MOST PEOPLE REQUEST A RIDE.
UM, BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF PAYMENT METHOD PLATFORM THAT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY FOR AND LOOK INTO AS WELL AS EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS OF SOME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT DIAL AHEAD.
UM, AND THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE TO PAY FOR RIDES.
THAT MAY INVOLVES INSTALLING HARDWARE ON THE LUMA GO VEHICLES FOR DRIVERS TO COLLECT FARES POTENTIALLY AS WELL.
UM, IF WE HAVE CASH INVOLVED AS WELL AS BRINKS TRUCKS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF SECURITY DELIVERY MONEY DELIVERY TRUCK.
UM, NOT SURE THAT I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD KIND OF WHAT THE ACTUAL REVENUE WOULD BE, UM, BUT UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ALL REVENUE.
THERE'S SOME COST THAT GOES INTO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION TO RESUME FAIR COLLECTION ON ALL SERVICES.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND I JUST UM, WAS WONDERING IF THAT, UM, NUMBER TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE DECREASE IN RIDERSHIP THAT WOULD OCCUR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN FEAR FREE WAS INSTITUTED, RIDERSHIP WENT UP AND UM, SO IT WOULD STAND TO REASON THAT AFFAIRS WERE REINSTATED, THEN RIDERSHIP WOULD GO DOWN.
UM, AND UH, THAT WOULD IMPACT THE REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED.
IF WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT DECREASE WOULD BE.
THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE INCLUDE IN THOSE CALCULATIONS, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE'S GENERALLY WHAT'S CALLED ELASTICITY OF RIDERSHIP RELATIVE TO TRANSIT FARES.
WHEN FARES GO UP, RIDERSHIP GOES DOWN BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND VICE VERSA.
SO THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T BUILT IN NOW, BUT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN CALCULATE THEM A BIT MORE IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THE ELASTICITY IMPACT FOR BEYOND FARES, IF WE WANNA LOOK AT POTENTIALLY REINSTITUTING FARES.
I THINK TO YOUR LAST QUESTION ON KIND OF THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO, I THINK THERE'S A FEW WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
THERE'S THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE WE BRING IN.
IF WE BROUGHT BACK FARES WITH AND WITHOUT LU MIGUEL, AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS MM-HMM
AND THEN A BIG PIECE OF THAT IS THE MONEY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RECEIVING FROM THE CITY GENERAL FUND IS A BIG CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S 180 K PER YEAR FOR THE FAIR FREE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON STILL RECEIVING THAT FUNDING IF THAT PROGRAM WASN'T THERE ANYMORE.
AND SO IS IT A NET BENEFIT IF YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN MORE MONEY AFTER COUNT OF ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE ELASTICITY, YOU LOSE SOME RIDERS.
IF YOU'RE STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY GETTING THE 180 K JUST IN THE FORM OF INDIVIDUAL AFFAIRS INSTEAD OF THAT CITY FUND AND YOU'RE SEEING LESS RIDERSHIP AS A RESULT, IS THERE KIND OF A NET BENEFIT TO THAT SHIFT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? RIGHT.
ISN'T SOME OF SONOMA THOUGH MONEY GOING TO THE FAIR FREE AS WELL? YEAH, SO THAT'S 73 K ROUGHLY PER YEAR THAT CAN GO TOWARDS VARIOUS FAIR FREE PROGRAMS. SO SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE RAN THROUGH ARE THE WHOLE THING'S FAIR FREE.
IF YOU BROUGHT BACK FAIRS, YOU COULD STILL HAVE CERTAIN PARTS OF YOUR RIDERSHIP POPULATION BASE BE FREE.
YOU COULD DO THE FREE VETERAN PROGRAM AGAIN, YOU COULD DO FREE SENIORS, YOU COULD DO FREE K THROUGH 12 AS WE DID.
IF YOU DID FREE SENIORS FOR EXAMPLE.
IT WOULD COVER THE COST ENTIRELY WITH SOME FUNDING LEFT OVER.
IF YOU DID FREE K THROUGH 12, THAT FUNDING WOULD NOT COVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE COST OF THAT PROGRAM.
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STILL BE ADDITIONAL COSTS.I DON'T KNOW, WE KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE UP, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THAT FUNDING IS A BIT FLEXIBLE THAT IT'S GENERALLY FAIR FREE PROGRAMS WITHOUT SPECIFYING THE TYPE THAT IT'S OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD ALREADY, BUT YOU CAN FILL OUT YOUR CARD AFTERWARDS.
SO, BUT PLEASE BRING THEM TO THE CLERK.
AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE THE MEETING? WE RES WE RECEIVED THREE OR FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, IN THE FORM OF EMAILS, JUST THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT NOT, YEAH.
WE DID HAVE SOME CARDS, I BELIEVE.
UH, WOULD WE MIND BRINGING THOSE UP TO OUR CHAIR AND SHE CAN START CALLING OUT THE NAMES? THANK YOU.
OH, YOU ALREADY INTRODUCED YOURSELF.
UH, YEAH, BUT I DON'T MIND RESPONDING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, JUST, UH, WANTED TO RESPOND TO A FEW THINGS.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE SRJC IS MOST IMPACTED BY ROUTE THREE AND 33, IS THAT CORRECT? SO, UH, WE HAVE PARTICULAR PEAK TIMES, UM, WHEN CLASSES START AND WHEN BUSES NEED TO ARRIVE IN ORDER TO GET TO CLASS IN TIME.
UM, OUR STUDENT SUPPORT ADMINISTRATOR, DEB, UM, PUT TOGETHER A REALLY GREAT, UM, SCHEDULE OF WHERE SOME OF OUR CLASS PEAK TIMES ARE, AND IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE BUSES ARRIVING AROUND 7 30, 8 30, 10:00 AM NOON, AND FIVE 30.
WE DO HAVE CLASSES THAT RUN UNTIL NINE OR 10:00 PM SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR FROM STUDENTS IS THE LACK OF ABILITY TO TAKE CLASSES NIGHT CLASSES, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR WORKING PEOPLE, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE NIGHT BUSES OR I DON'T EVEN THINK THEIR SERVICE.
SO IT DOES PREVENT PEOPLE FROM REACHING THAT EDUCATION.
THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, IF YOU KEEP THE LUMA GO, UM, WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING IF WE COULD COMMINGLE AS YOU HAVE WITH, UM, YOUR PARATRANSIT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FOR STUDENTS TO GET TO SMART TRAIN AND WE, WE PROVIDE AT SANTA ROSA, UM, JUNIOR COLLEGE IN PETALUMA SOME IMPORTANT, UH, GRADUATION REQUIREMENT CLASSES AND PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER SONOMA COUNTY TO GET THOSE CLASSES FOR GETTING THEIR GRADUATE, UM, DEGREES.
SO, SO PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM MARIN AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO DRIVE IN ORDER TO TAKE INSTEAD OF TAKING SMART TRAIN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GET FROM SMART TRAIN TO CLASS.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM STUDENTS AND I REALIZE THERE'S A BUDGET ISSUE.
AND I ALSO, UH, WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO HAVE OUR OWN TRANSPORTATION FUND TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT A QUOTE FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO EXPAND SERVICE, TO PROVIDE, UM, OUR STUDENTS WHAT THEY NEED.
AND NOT ONLY STUDENTS, BUT A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS.
AND IT'S A MAJOR CENTER FOR EMPLOYMENT.
WE HAVE, UH, ADMINISTRATORS, FACULTY, AND A LOT OF CONTRACT STAFF THAT GO THERE.
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, FOCUS, UM, TO SUPPORT, UH, EMPLOYMENT AND EDUCATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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SIT ON THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.I WAS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, THE ONE, UH, ASKED TO COME AND BE SOMEWHAT OF A INFORMAL LA LIAISON TO THIS COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, THE LCFS THING, IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THE CITY TO GET HERE, BUT, UM, ONCE YOU START RECEIVING THOSE LCFS FUNDS, YOU'LL REALIZE HOW VALUABLE ELECTRIFICATION IS TO OUR CITY.
THEN WE'LL START PUTTING IN MORE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS.
THE LEVEL TWO THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE L FOR LCFS FUNDS FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY THOSE OPPORTUNITIES START TO PERCOLATE.
SO I REALLY, WHILE IT'S A SMALL NUMBER, THE BEGINNING OF THE LCFS JOURNEY FOR OUR CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, I WON'T SAY IT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE LONG AGO, BUT I'M EXCITED THAT IT'S HAPPENING NOW.
UM, ALSO ON THE B 19 TO B SIX, I KNOW THAT'S A BIG TECHNICAL, BUT YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE RATE CHANGE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS GO, I WILL SAY, UH, IF I WERE TO HAVE JUST DROPPED IN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE MOON AND ONLY OBSERVE THIS ONE MEETING, I WOULD NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MASCOTS PROGRAM AND THE TRANSIT COORDINATION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR COORDINATION IS RESULTING IN LESS SERVICE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCONNECT IS, BUT WHAT I'M READING IS THAT THE MASCOTS PROGRAM IS GONNA RESULT IN MORE COORDINATION AND BETTER SERVICE.
AND THEN THE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DEEP DO WE HAVE TO CUT? AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MASCOTS PROGRAM, UH, COULD BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
UH, I WILL SAY WHAT IS ALSO MISSING IN THE ROUTES IS THE SONOMA, UH, THE S THE SONOMA TRANSIT ROUTES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I TAKE BOTH THE BOULEVARD HAS A NICE AND THEM COUNTY TRANSIT ROUTE, AND IF YOU WERE TO JUST DIRECT PEOPLE FROM, UH, ROUTE 10, I THINK IT IS, TO THE, THE SONOMA COUNTY ROUTE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO OPERATE THAT ROUTE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S THINK ABOUT THE ROUTES MORE HOLISTICALLY.
UH, I WILL SAY THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, NOW SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS THE GRANT TO HAVE THE YOUTH AND LIKE THE, UM, FEEDBACK ON TRANSIT? I FORGET WHAT THAT WAS CALLED, BUT YOU, YOU GUYS, SOME OF YOU REMEMBER WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND I WILL SAY WHAT STUCK WITH ME WAS EVERYONE'S CONFUSION AROUND, UH, THE SWITCH OFF BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.
THEY'RE LIKE, I GET ON THIS BUS AND THEN IT CHANGES INTO A DIFFERENT NUMBER AND I'M CONFUSED AND HOW DO I GET TO SCHOOL? YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK.
AND PEOPLE WERE PAID TO PARTICIPATE AND GET THE FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THEIR PEOPLE AND THEIR, AND HERE WE ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, NO CHANGES TO THAT FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF OUR SYSTEM.
AND I KNOW THAT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND NOT THE PURVIEW OF A BUDGET CONVERSATION, BUT IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AND NEW AND DIFFERENT ROUTES WE NEED TO BE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER THAT, UH, AND IF THAT'S NOT THROUGH THE BUDGET CONVERSATION, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE CONVERSATIONS, UH, AROUND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT'S POINT, THE FIRST QUESTION ON LIKE, CAN WE GET THE ADS TO COVER THE THING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 2014? YES, I THINK SO.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT THAT STUCK WITH ME WAS IT'S NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER TO COVER OUR BUSES.
YOU KNOW, WITH ADS, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, MY COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS TO FUND THAT CEREBRAL PALSY SERVICE THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING SINCE 2014.
IF THAT MEANS PUTTING MORE ADS ON OUR BUSES, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.
UH, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DIAL UP THE FOLKS OVER AT SMART AND SAY, YOU NEED TO FUND THOSE ADS.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE VOTERS OF PETALUMA TO FUND THAT, YOU NEED TO KICK IN SOME STUFF BEYOND THE SMART OPERATING.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FRANK CONVERSATION WITH SMART AROUND, NUMBER ONE, LET'S WRAP OUR BUSES IN A PRO SMART POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, LET'S MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING FUNDS SOME OF THESE CUTS THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING IN OUTER YEARS.
UM, UM, YOU HAVE COME UP ON THREE MINUTES.
UM, FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE IDEA THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, DESTINATIONS FOR THE BUS ROUTES, UM, TO KICK IN, UM, TO FACILITATE PEOPLE GETTING TO WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY VIABLE PURSUIT.
AND I THINK THAT IN TALKING ABOUT THE ADS ON THE BUSES, THAT WE COULD PERHAPS COORDINATE
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THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GIVE THEM A DISCOUNT ON ADS IF THEY KICK IN SO MUCH OR SOMEHOW WORK WITH THEM SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO GET OFF THE SMART TRAIN SAY, AND SEE THESE BUSES WITH DESTINATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD REALLY, UM, FACILITATE SOME MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO COME TO TOWN AROUND PLACES MAYBE THEY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE.UM, I DO WANNA MENTION ALSO SOMETHING THAT, UM, MAUREEN GOTCH SENT ME.
SHE WASN'T ABLE TO COME TONIGHT, BUT SHE SUGGESTS THAT, UM, KAISER SHOULD BE APPROACHED TO FUND ROUTE 24.
UM, SHE SAYS THE ROUTE GOES DIRECTLY TO KAISER HOSPITAL, IT SERVES THEIR EMPLOYEES GETTING TO WORK AND THEIR PATIENTS GETTING TO APPOINTMENTS.
AND THAT KAISER ALREADY DOES THIS IN OAKLAND, IN SAN FRANCISCO AND RICHMOND AND SACRAMENTO.
THEY PARTNER WITH TRANSIT AGENCIES BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND GOOD FOR COMMUNITY HEALTH.
THEY HAVE AN EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE SERVICE IN SAN RAFAEL FROM SMART TRAIN TO THEIR FACILITIES DURING COMMUTE HOURS.
UM, AND THEY SHOULD PARTNER WITH PETALUMA AS WELL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EXPLORED THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.
UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD, UM, THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD, WHAT HA WITH THIS SCHOOL ROUTES BUS IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OTHER THINGS I'VE READ ABOUT LUGO IS THAT LUGO ALSO SERVICES, UM, STUDENTS.
AND SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THE OVERLAP LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT, HOW THE NUMBERS MIGHT BE SKEWED BY STUDENTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, OTHER MEMBERS OF, UM, THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, NET NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT'S MORE CLEAR IN TERMS OF IF THERE'S ANY, UM, OVERLAP, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M NOT REAL THRILLED WITH THE IDEA OF, UM, ELIMINATING ENTIRELY SUNDAY SERVICE.
UM, IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THE HIGHEST, UM, USED TIME, BUT, BUT IT IS, UM, SOME, UH, IT IS A DAY THAT FAMILIES AND, AND UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, HAVE SOMETIMES ON AN ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO DO, WHETHER IT'S SHOPPING OR GOING TO CHURCH OR VISITING RELATIVES OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO SEE IT ELIMINATED, UM, ENTIRELY.
UM, I HAVE SOME CONFUSION YOU DON'T NEED TO CLARIFY ABOUT ROUTE THREE AND ROUTE 33.
THEY LOOK PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
SO I'M SORT OF UNCLEAR ABOUT WHY THEY CAN'T BE COMBINED OR THERE ISN'T SOME WAY TO, TO, UM, UH, MELD THOSE TOGETHER.
SO DOES, DO WE REALLY NEED TWO SEPARATE ROUTES? AND, AND AGAIN, I I'M NOT THAT VERY FAMILIAR, SO MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING ENTIRELY ON THAT.
AM I, AM I OUT OF TIME? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
YEAH, WELL WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE 20 MINUTES.
I WORK AT THE FAMILY RESOURCE CENTER AND I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT UH, UM, I GUESS I WANT TO SAY OFFICIALLY THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE OF LUMA.
I'M REALLY SAD TO KNOW THAT IS IN THE VERSION OF TERMINATING.
HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO YOU GAVE, UM, A WING, A WINGS FOR, FOR FREE, OTHERWISE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND, UM, CLASSES.
UM, AND THANKS TO THIS SERVICE, WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO ARE REALLY HAPPY TO USE IT AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE, THE STRUGGLE THAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, BUT STILL I'M HERE ADVOCATING FOR THAT SERVICE IF NOT TO MAINTAIN IT.
I MEAN, IF NOT TO SPEND IT AT LEAST TO MAINTAIN IT, UM, IF IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY AN INVESTMENT IN THE PRESENT OF ADULTS, BUT AN INVESTMENT IN THE LIVES OF CHILDREN.
UM, BECAUSE AT THE END ALL THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY NUMBERS, BUT AS, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBER, I THINK IF YOU PUT IT IN ONE OF THOSE MEASURE ASCENT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADD MY TAXES TO THAT.
AND I THINK A LOT OF FAMILIES WILL BE HAPPY TO ADD 1 CENT TO MY TAXES FOR THAT.
WERE THOSE ALL OF OUR COMMENT CARDS, CHELSEA? YES.
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ALRIGHT, WELL NOW I'LL BRING IT BACK TO, UM, THE COMMITTEE FOR, UM, DISCUSSION.AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOU, FRANK AND ASK IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, TO ADD SOME COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION.
UM, CAN I SPRINKLE IN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS,
UM, JARED, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OR ANY DISCUSSION WITH REVISITING THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT WITH MB? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF THAT AGREEMENT, UH, CLAUSES THAT YOU'D HAVE TO MEET TO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU COULD OPEN IT BACK UP.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.
AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING WITH MB STAFF AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
THEY'RE PART OF THE STAFF TEAM WE'RE WORKING WITH TO KIND OF DISCUSS IMPACTS ON DIFFERENT SERVICES WHERE THERE'S COST EFFICIENCIES TO BE SAVED.
SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN ALREADY TAKING PLACE AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT AS WELL TO SEE THERE'S OTHER POTENTIAL TO MAKE ANY, UH, MODIFICATIONS THERE AS WELL.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, TONIGHT'S BEEN SORT OF SERVICE RELATED OR SERVICE REDUCTION RELATED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ANY BUSINESS OR ANY OPERATION, UH, THERE'S COSTS.
IT'S DRIVEN BY DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES.
AND I, UM, AM SOMEONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN EVERY FACET OF MY CAREER.
THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, DURING TIGHT TIMES THERE'S BEEN OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE COSTS JUST IN, UM, BEING MORE, UM, JUDICIOUS WITH DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOVE TO, UH, SEE AN EMPHASIS PUT ON THAT, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REVISIT THAT CONTRACT.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, JARED, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, WHAT RESERVE TARGET WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR YEAR END 26 27? THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.
I THINK GOING RIGHT TO NINE 15 TO MR. ALDEN'S POINT PROBABLY ISN'T THE MOST PRUDENT NUMBER.
I THINK YOU WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT SOMEWHAT, BUT AS I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, IF YOU GO FURTHER, YOU ARE POTENTIALLY CUTTING MORE THAN YOU NEED AND IMPACTING PEOPLE'S LIVES, PERHAPS, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY SO, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A MAGIC NUMBER.
I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PERHAPS BEYOND THAT.
BUT IT REALLY BECOMES KIND OF A POLICY DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT.
BUT I THINK GOING A BIT BEYOND THAT NUMBER IS A BALANCE OF HAVING A BIT MORE CERTAINTY WITH THE FUNDING WITHOUT CUTTING MORE THAN YOU NEED TO IF THE FISCAL SITUATION DOES IMPROVE AND WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN MORE OF THAT SERVICE THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD BE CUTTING.
IF YOU GO FURTHER, WOULD YOU CARE TO PROGNOSTICATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN THE, UM, IN THE FUNDING SITUATION, IMPROVING IN THE COMING, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE YEAR OUTLOOK? I THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT.
I'LL CAN BE WEIGH IN HERE IN A SECOND.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES AT THE MOMENT, AS WE KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON THE FEDERAL SIDE.
ONE GOOD THING IS WE ONLY GET A SMALL PIECE OF OUR FUNDS, UM, OPERATIONALLY FROM THE FEDERAL SIDE, THE FUNDING WE DO GET IS MOSTLY ON THE CAPITAL.
SO THE BIGGEST PIECES ARE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE, TDA AND STA, THEY'RE BASED ON SALES TAX AND DIESEL TAX.
THE DIFFICULTY WITH STS, IT'S BASED ON A PER GALLON FOR DIESEL SOLD.
AND SO THAT FUNDING SOURCE HAS ALREADY BEEN A DECLINING ONE IN YEARS PRIOR.
AS VEHICLES GET MORE EFFICIENT AS THEY ELECTRIFY MORE, YOU'RE JUST SEEING THAT AS A DECLINING FUNDING SOURCE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN THE TREND EVEN BEFORE COVID.
UH, THE ONE THAT WE'RE HOPING REALLY IMPACTS IS TDA AND BOUNCES BACK AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN FLAT FOR THE PRIOR THREE QUARTERS, IT WAS UP BETWEEN ZERO AND HALF A PERCENT.
THE MOST RECENT QUARTER WAS UP 4.2% FOR THE COUNTY BASIS.
SO WE HOPE THAT'S THE TREND, BUT THAT HAS SURPRISED US BEFORE WHAT THE, UH, RETURNS HAVE BEEN ON.
YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, WE ONLY RECEIVE A HUNDRED K UM, ANNUALLY FROM THE FEDERAL SIDE.
UH, SO THE REST IS STATE AND LOCAL GENERATED FUNDS.
UM, AND AS JARED SAID, WE'VE SEEN A DECLINE BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, GAS EMISSIONS.
AND AS CALIFORNIA IS TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS, UH, CARBON NEUTRALITY, UM, WE'RE SEEING THAT DECREASING.
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I'VE ATTENDED WEBINARS HOSTED BY CALTRANS AND VARIOUS OTHER, UM, ENTITIES AND, UH, THEY ARE AWARE OF IT, BUT THE SOLUTION IS YEARS AWAY AT THIS POINT.UM, SO FOR ME, UM, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL JUST STAY AT A NEUTRAL, LIKE A 0% INCREASE OR DECREASE IS KIND OF WHAT MY BEST CASE SCENARIO RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A POSITIVE QUARTER FOR TDA THIS LAST QUARTER, UM, COMPARED TO THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP IN THE AIR.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE, UH, BUT I DO WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU THINK, UM, WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY NEED.
SO I RAN THE NUMBERS AND IF WE DID THE 1915, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH FY 27.
IF WE DID 1.3 MILLION, THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH FY 27 AND 28, AND THEN YOUR ADVICE OF, UM, TOTALLY IN THREE YEARS AND THEN DIVIDING BY THREE, UH, THAT WOULD BE 1.6 MILLION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE RANGE OF OPTIONS NOT FACTORING IN THE 50%, YOU KNOW, A SIX MONTHS RESERVES.
UM, WE, WE MIGHT BE A WHILE BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE RESERVES JUST, UM, TO NOT CUT ALL OUR SERVICE ALL AT ONCE.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA MOST POSITIVELY IMPACT THE, THE PUBLIC.
SO IT'S KIND OF THE RANGE, BUT THE OUTLOOK WISE, UM, JUST BASED UPON LIMITED OPERATING GRANTS, UH, VARIOUS SOURCES, UM, KIND OF REMAINING EITHER STAGNANT OR DEC DECREASING.
YEAH, WE DID TALK ABOUT AS MUCH TONIGHT, BUT THE PRIOR COUPLE PRESENTATIONS WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS WITH THE REV REVENUE GROWTH, AS CAMMI SAID, GENERALLY WE'RE ASSUMING THOSE WOULD BE PRETTY FLAT, WHICH WE THINK IS THE BEST GUIDANCE TO BE CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL AS YOU TYPICALLY WANNA DO.
AND THAT'S THE APPROACH, THE RECOMMENDATION WE'RE SEEING COMING FROM THE REGION.
MTC OR USUALLY HAS A MUCH BETTER HANDLE ON THESE THINGS IN TERMS OF PROGNOSTICATING, WHAT THOSE RETURNS MAY LOOK LIKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO IT'S INFORMED BY THAT GUIDANCE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPTIMISM THAT IN TWO YEARS OR IN THREE YEARS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WINDFALL AND THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT THREE YEAR HORIZON AS SORT OF THE BEST PICTURE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND WITH THAT AND WITH THE FACT THAT WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT OUR RESERVE TO BE ZERO, WE CAN'T, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE, UM, I THINK, UM, ACTING IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TARGET SOMETHING CLOSER TO THAT, THAT 1.6 FOR THE FIRST YEAR.
UM, AND PART OF THE REASON IS IF WE TARGET, YOU KNOW, JUST 1.1 OR 1.3 AND WE COVER THAT FIRST YEAR, BUT WE HAVE A LARGER, UH, DEFICIT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEN WE END UP CUTTING MORE IN THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS THAN WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FIRST YEAR.
UM, SO CUT A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT A WHOLE LOT MORE LATER, IS SORT OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA ECHO BEN PETERSON'S COMMENTS ON THE ADVERTISING.
LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD THINK SMALL.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT OURSELVES, UM, ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, IF PUTTING, IF, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PAY FOR A BIG ADVERTISEMENT AND THAT HELPS PAY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEANING OR JUST KEEPING BUSES RUNNING, UM, THEN I, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I, UM, AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE, MOST PEOPLE AT PETALUMA ARE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IF IT HELPS KEEP SERVICE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING OR ADVOCATING SOMETHING BIG AND GAUDY, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, UN TASTEFUL, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S LARGE DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE, UM, A FIT FOR OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM.
UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING IF THERE ARE MORE OVERLAPS WITH SONOMA COUNTY, LIKE COULD WE CUT A ROUTE BECAUSE THERE'S ADEQUATE SERVICE WITH, UH, ADEQUATE OVERLAP SERVICE WITH SONOMA COUNTY, UH, TRANSIT.
UM, SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, A DEEPER DISCUSSION ON THAT, UH, NEXT PERIOD, UH, OR SORRY, NEXT, NEXT, UH, MEETING.
I, I THINK EXPLORING A PARTNERSHIP WITH KAISER IS A GREAT SUGGESTION AND, UM, WOULD LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR CITY STAFF TO BE ON THE PHONE TOMORROW CALLING THEM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME INFORMATION NEXT MONTH.
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THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL FOR THAT.AND I, AND I WOULD BE SO BOLD AS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, IT COULD JEOPARDIZE THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? AND, UH, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY ADVOCATE FOR GOING AFTER THAT.
UM, I THINK THE FAIR FREE IS REALLY A CITY BUDGET DISCUSSION.
UM, UH, PATTY, THE, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT I HEARD YOU ASK EARLIER, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE FLOATING AROUND IN MY MIND FROM WHEN WE, UH, VOTED ON FAIR FREE IN THE PAST WAS THAT, UM, WE, AT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL, I'M, I'M, UH, TRYING TO RECALL THIS FROM MEMORY, SO FORGIVE ME IF I GET IT WRONG, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WE SPEND 40 TO $45,000 A YEAR IN FAIR COLLECTION FOR $180,000 IN FAIR WAS KIND OF THE NUMBER THAT I REMEMBER.
AND SO, UM, BUT EVEN WITH THAT, I THINK THAT I THINK THE, UH, FAIR FREE IS REALLY A DISCUSSION THAT THAT'S A CITY BUDGET QUESTION BECAUSE TO THE POINT THAT, THAT JARED MADE, UM, AND THOSE WERE ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD.
I, I, I I'D SUPPORT MOST OF WHAT FRANK HAS JUST DISCUSSED.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE LADIES, UH, WHO SUPPORT THE JC AND, AND HAVE STAFF.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE IN THE PAST DISCUSSED THE RIDERSHIP TO THE JC AND FOR LOCATIONS AND SMART TRAIN, ET CETERA.
UM, I DO HAVE A, A, THIS IS A QUESTION, SO I I I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND ALL THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND THE TRANSFER OF SERVICES THAT THEY'VE DISPLAYED OR PAID, PAID OFF ON OR SCTA AND PETA TRANSIT.
ARE WE GETTING ANYTHING MORE OUT OF THAT AS FAR AS FINANCE? UH, OR IS IT JUST TRANSFER JUST NEW STATIONS OR NOT? HOW'S THAT WORKING? SO YES, WE ARE GETTING MORE FROM THAT.
THAT, OF COURSE, IS THE MASCOT STUDY.
MARIN SONOMA COUNTY COORDINATED TRANSIT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY WITH TAC AND THAT SOME PRESENTATIONS, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY BRING THAT BACK TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
THE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIONS FROM THAT WILL START IN APRIL.
AND GENERALLY WHAT THAT PROCESS DOES, IT WAS A MULTI-YEAR CORRIDOR WIDE PLANNING INITIATIVE IN MARIN AND SONOMA ON A 1 0 1.
WE FOUND OVER TIME THAT A LOT OF THE RIDERSHIP, SINCE SMART HAS BEEN ONLINE, HAS SHIFTED FROM GOLDEN GATE SERVICE TO SMARTS.
AND SO WHAT THE OUTCOMES, THE PRIMARY ONES OF THAT MASCOT'S PLAN ARE, IS THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT SERVICE WOULD BE NARROWED SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT WOULD TAPER OFF IN SONOMA COUNTY, ONLY HAVE A FEW TRIPS ON ROUTE 1 72, SIGNIFICANT CONSOLIDATION AT THE SAME TIME, SMART SERVICE WOULD BE EXPANDED.
SO IT FILLS IN SERVICE GAPS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
IT RUNS MORE OFTEN, IT RUNS LATER AT NIGHT.
IT HAS MORE SERVICE ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND THEN ANOTHER BIG PIECE THAT OCCURRED IS A FUNDING SHIFT WITHIN THE COUNTY.
SO SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT WAS GOING TOWARDS GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT, FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE TDA FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE EVERY YEAR, 29% FOR PETALUMA HAS GONE OFF THE TOP TO GOLDEN GATES, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE SERVICE LEVEL.
NOT ALL OF THAT SERVICE, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF THAT UNDER THE CHANGE NOW COMES BACK INTO OUR POT.
SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE'LL BE RECEIVING EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, KAMI, DO YOU HAPPEN TO RECALL THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS? YOU CAN'T.
WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT IT WOULD RE I MEAN, SEVERAL HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY POSITIVE, I THINK.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, PASS IT ON.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MASCOTS, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE AND WE'LL GET MORE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ANALYSIS IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING, CORRECT.
SO WITHOUT THAT CHANGE, IT WOULD BE EVEN A STARKER SITUATION WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THOSE INCREASED REVENUES ARE BUILT INTO THIS MODEL.
UM, JUST SO EVERYONE HERE KNOWS, I WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SUPPORTER OF TRANSIT DURING THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS.
I SAT IN THE GPAC, I GOT TIRESOME WITH MY REPEATED DEMANDS THAT WE HAVE A TRANSIT PLAN THAT WOULD BE DONE AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
I, I, TO THIS DAY, I AM FRUSTRATED THAT WE SPENT SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DOING A BIKE PED PLAN.
NOT SAYING IT'S A A BAD IDEA, IT'S NOT, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR TRANSIT.
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I THINK THAT'S A SHAME.NOW, TO BE FAIR, OR TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS, WE ARE HOPEFULLY ABOUT TO BEGIN A FAIRLY ELABORATE, WHAT'S CALLED A SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, WHICH WILL PERHAPS LOOK AT THINGS LIKE ROUTE CHANGES, ET CETERA.
BUT WE'RE DOING THAT SORT OF ON OUR OWN WITH DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
IT WAS NOT DONE THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS A SHAME.
WITH THAT SAID, WELL, ONE, ONE OTHER CAVEAT I'LL THROW OUT HERE.
I LOVE THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT BUSES BEING GREAT FOR SOCIAL REASONS, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS.
IN FACT, I, THAT'S PART OF WHAT I BROUGHT UP DURING THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TO NO AVAIL.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE'RE FACING TONIGHT, AS GOOD AS THOSE IDEAS ARE, THEY DON'T PAY THE BILLS.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR FISCAL REALITIES TONIGHT AND THEN LOOK FOR WAYS TO MONETIZE THE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AS WE GO ALONG.
PROBABLY THE MOST HOPEFUL THING I HEARD TONIGHT, AND THIS IS MAYBE SORT OF A BACKHANDED COMPLIMENT, IS THAT SOME OF THE REDUCTIONS MAY BE GREATER THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTIMATING BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF SECONDARY BENEFITS FROM WHEN WE, IF WE CUT FIXED ROUTE, THEN WE GET TO CUT SOME PARA ALSO AND WE SPEND LESS MONEY ON TIRES AND WE, WE MAYBE DON'T HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT THE ENTIRE SAVING IS.
ONE, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU, WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT, AND THEN I WAS ALREADY STARTING THERE, JUST SAVING 900,000 IS ABSURD.
WE NEED TO BE WELL ABOVE THAT.
YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINCE NUMBER WAS 1.2 TO 1.6.
I THINK THAT STRIKES ME AS PRETTY REASONABLE.
BUT WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND THIS EVENING, WHAT I AM WILL RECOMMEND THIS EVENING IS WE CANDIDLY ADOPT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE OF REDUCTIONS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE, WHICH IS 900,000.
AND THEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE SECONDARY BENEFITS FROM THAT MIGHT BE.
IF WE, IF WE ADOPT THAT AND WE ANALYZE IT IN GREATER DEPTH, DOES THAT BECOME THE 1.2 TO $1.6 MILLION WE'D LIKE TO SAVE IN YEAR ONE.
HOWEVER, I WILL THEN GO ON TO SAY THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE, THE RESERVE OF 3.2 MILLION, AND THAT FOR THOSE WHO WERE HERE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, THAT'S WHAT KEPT THE BUSES RUNNING FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WAS, IN FACT, WE HAD A FULLY FUNDED RESERVE.
WE MIGHT HAVE COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN WITHOUT THAT.
IT IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT TO GET BACK THERE, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED WE AREN'T GONNA GET BACK THERE FOR YEARS BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE A NEXT PANDEMIC TOMORROW.
BUT WE DO NEED TO GET BACK THERE.
AND IF ALL WE DO IN THE FIRST YEAR IS HOLD OUR RESERVE AT 300,000, THEN WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO FURTHER CUTS IN YEAR TWO AND YEAR THREE TO GET THERE.
AND I JUST, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY AROUND THAT.
BUT LET'S START WITH THE 900,000 PLUS THE SECONDARY BENEFITS OF THAT AND HAVE THIS SAME THING AGAIN NEXT YEAR TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UH, YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SECOND THAT I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF PARTNERING WITH KAISER OR WITH OTHER MAJOR EMPLOYERS OR BUSINESSES, UM, IN THE CITY, IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN JUST, JUST REITERATE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF, UM, EXAMINATION OF THE KNOCK-ON EFFECTS ON EMPLOYMENT, POVERTY, UH, GRADUATION RATES, UM, JUST, YEAH, I KNOW WE, THOSE ARE HARD THINGS TO ESTIMATE, BUT JUST SOME SORT OF ATTEMPT TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THESE KIND OF CHANGES MEAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT ANYBODY WHO'S RIDING THE BUS IN PETALUMA, WHO'S WAITING 30 AT BEST TO AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, TO GET WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THEN TO COME BACK WHEN THE FREQUENCY IS AN HOUR.
OOH, IS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A TWO HOUR WAIT IF THE BUS JUST LEFT AND IT HAS TO COME BACK.
ANYBODY WHO'S DEPENDING ON THE BUS IN PETALUMA, IT'S AN EQUITY ISSUE, PERIOD.
IT DO, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE MAP SAYS.
SO WE JUST ALL KNOW THAT THESE CUTS HAVE A SERIOUS EQUITY IMPACT, AND THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE CUTS, BUT THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY WAY AROUND IT.
UM, SO WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MOVE BACK IN THE DIRECTION OF IMPROVED SERVICE.
AND WAS, UH, THE JUNIOR COLLEGE OFFERING US SOME MONEY IF WE GAVE YOU SOME SERVICE OR YOU WERE REFER? SO AFTER YOU CALL KAISER
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THROUGH THE, THE DECK, I THOUGHT, OKAY, SO WE DO EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, WHAT DAVE WAS SAYING.BUT THEN AS I STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO IT.
IT MAY, YOU MAY NOT EVEN, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT DOING EVERYTHING ON THAT LIST GETS US 900,000.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EV EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE'S, UH, IT'S INTERESTING GOING TOWARDS THE END.
'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE BETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SAID ALREADY, BUT, UM, I, I REALLY DO WANNA, AT THIS POINT, NOT SECOND, BUT I THINK THIRD OR FOURTH
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS PARTNER, BUT, UM, WE ALL PAY OUR FAIR SHARE TO BEING, YOU KNOW, WHO WE ARE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR US.
BUT SO ARE THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.
SO WE'RE THE PATIENTS, THEY'RE NEIGHBORS OR FAMILIES.
AND I GUESS THE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DRAW THIS TO, AND I THINK IT'S BEING FELT IN THIS ROOM, IS THAT WE WANNA HUMANIZE THIS ISSUE AND WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY FEELING THE PAIN OF THIS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS IT WAS SAID BY OUR CHAIR, UM, I THINK WHAT THE JC IS OFFERING, YOU KNOW, IS A, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
AND I THINK YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME DOCUMENTS, UM, THAT YOU COULD, UM, SHARE WITH US.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SO FOR EVERY, UH, CREDIT THAT A STUDENT SIGNS UP FOR, THEY GET CHARGED A DOLLAR AS PART OF THEIR TUITION.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S TAKING 15 CREDITS, THEY'RE GIVING $10 PER SEMESTER.
UM, THAT FUND THOUGH IS, UH, UNDER SOME OF THE SAME BUREAUCRACY THAT YOU GUYS ARE, WE HAVE OUR OWN STUDENT GOVERNMENT THAT OVERSEES THAT, THAT FUND.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LAYERS OF, SO I CAN JUST LIKE HAND YOU MONEY, BUT
AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS REALLY THINKING OUT OF THE BOX, WHICH IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM THAT'S STILL LEFT TO EXPERIMENT AND, UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT, BUT THERE IS STILL A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN THIS.
AND I, I WANNA GO BACK TO, UM, WHAT I HAD SAID IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION.
UM, BUT MORE SO OF JUST GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT LUMA GO IS AND WHAT IT OFFERS, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT OFFERS A LOT AS WE HEARD FROM OUR LAST, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTER.
BUT, UM, THE MATH IS NOT MATH
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT ONLY MAKING SURE THAT WE REACH THE 900,000 THAT WE NEED TO NEED TO COVER, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF A RESERVE.
I SUPPOSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD, BUT MAYBE IMPOSSIBLE, UH, FOR ME TO HAVE SEEN, IF WE GO BACK TO BEFORE ALL OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS WERE MADE, WHAT DID THE SERVICE LOOK LIKE? AND THEN REBUILD IT FROM THERE
'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY GOOD, UH, INFORMATION TO HAVE.
UH, AND I, UM, ACTUALLY WAS JUST WALKING OVER THERE BY THE JUNIOR COLLEGE IN THE SMART STATION, AND I HAD WONDERED ACTUALLY HOW IT IS PEOPLE GET FROM THE SMART STATION TO THE JUNIOR COLLEGE.
AND SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WELL THEY MUST WALK, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR LATE NIGHT CLASSES, UM, AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOMES SOME, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, IFFY
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PROPOSITION FOR MANY PEOPLE.SO, UH, I'M SORRY THAT WE'RE JUST HEARING FROM YOU NOW IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
UH, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT, UH, IN, IN THE FUTURE WE CAN, WE CAN DO BETTER BY THE JUNIOR COLLEGE.
UM, AND THIS IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, I SOMETIMES WONDER, DOES PETALUMA HAVE ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PERSON,
UM, IN ADDITION, PETALUMA IS ALL ABOUT ENCOURAGING, UM, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, AND IS THERE ANY KIND OF PROVISION IN THOSE CONTRACTS THAT PART OF THAT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT MONEY, MONEY FROM THE DEVELOPERS HAS TO GO TO FUNDING TRANSIT FOR THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WILL BE COMING IN BECAUSE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS? UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, AN OUT OF THE BOX WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW PETALUMA MANAGES, UH, IT'S GROWTH AND ITS TRANSIT AND TRANSIT ASSET GROWS.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVE MENTIONS TRANSIT PLAN, UH, AND THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THE TRANSIT PLAN.
THE STAFF FOR TRANSIT HERE HAS BEEN GOOD AT TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO US THE VARIOUS GRANTS AND FUNDING STREAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT, UM, AT TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO BASICALLY LAY PEOPLE, UM, HOW ALL OF THIS WORKS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE SOURCES OF, OF, OF FUNDING THAT, UM, THAT ARE, ARE COMING TO PETALUMA AS PETALUMA GROWS.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, START LOOKING AT THAT BETTER, BUT THE FACT THAT, WELL, I DIDN'T THINK OF KAISER EITHER, SO I, BUT I HAVE A DAY JOB, UM,
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, KAMI, JARED, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS.
AND YOU'VE GIVEN US A, A TIMETABLE.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE NEXT, NEXT SESSION.
AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE GREAT COMMENTS AND MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK, A LOT OF GREAT THINGS TO CONSIDER AND MULL OVER A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD, I THINK, WHETHER OUR, OUR OTHER PARTNERS.
AND WE'LL UPDATE ALL THOSE ITEMS, BRING IT BACK WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON NOW TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES,SO, UM, COMMITTEE, WERE THERE ANY CHANGES OR, UH, NEEDED FOR THE DECEMBER 16TH MEETING MINUTES? NO.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I, I THINK WE HAVE APPROVED THE MINUTES WITHOUT CHANGES AS PRESENTED.
UH, AND WE ARE DONE WITH, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
IS THERE ANY GENERAL, UM, COMMITTEE COMMENT AT THIS POINT UNRELATED TO TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION? YES, I HAVE SOME.[01:50:02]
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK, UH, COMMENTS.UM, THE JANUARY 5TH CITY COUNCIL, UH, I WAS VERY HAPPILY REAPPOINTED TO SERVE ON TAC AND PBAC FOR ANOTHER YEAR, SO THANK YOU.
UH, ON THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR, THERE WAS AN ITEM TO APPROVE THE 20, UH, FISCAL YEAR 26 PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCY SAFETY PLAN.
UH, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS PUSHED, UH, TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, AS A GENERAL COMMENT, RECRUITING, UM, UH, THE CITY HAS STARTED RECRUIT RECRUITING, UM, FOR A HANDFUL OF CCB POSITIONS, UH, UH, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS.
UH, SO AS WE CAN SEE, WE'RE FULL.
UH, BUT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF VACANCIES ON OTHER COMMITTEES.
UM, AND YOU MAY SEE, UM, UH, YOU MAY SEE THOSE GO OUT.
AND, UH, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT IS LIKE REALLY LIKE THE VALUE OF THESE MEETINGS, RIGHT? WE ARE ALL CITIZENS.
WE'RE COMING HERE IN THIS FORUM TO GIVE OUR INPUT ON A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER AND, UH, AND WITHOUT, UH, AND OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM WILL BE BETTER FOR IT, RIGHT? UH, I GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT.
AND THERE ARE OTHER MATTERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, THAT DESERVE PARTICIPATION AND PUBLIC INPUT.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU THINK THIS IS VALUABLE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, IF YOU SEE THOSE, PASS IT ON TO YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED AND, AND, UH, AND PARTICIPATE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING, UH, THE, THE JANUARY 7TH PBA MEETING WAS CANCELED, SO I'LL REPORT FROM THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
[STAFF COMMENT]
IT SAYS THAT THE STAFF HAS NO COMMENTS.ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:25 PM NEXT MEETING IS.