Jan 26, 2026 City Council

ITEM OF BUSINESS IS OUR PRESENTATION WE HAVE, AND THE PRESENTATION IS, UH, ABOUT SONOMA WATER AND THE UPDATES WE HAVE ON THE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS INVOLVED.

LET'S ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

MY P PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

AND WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE HERE.

ALSO FROM TIME TO TIME, THE COUNCIL USES, UH, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR A MEMBER OF THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY WHO'S CONTRIBUTED TO THE FABRIC OF PETALUMA THROUGH THEIR EFFORTS AND THEIR LIFE, AND WHO HAS RECENTLY PASSED.

AND TONIGHT WE'LL BE CLOSING OUR MEETING IN HONOR OF SID LIPTON.

AND I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCILWOMAN CATER THOMPSON TO, UH, SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT MR. LIPTON.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, SID LIPTON, A GOOD MAN, LEFT US.

HE TRIED HIS BEST TO STAY AROUND TILL HIS HUNDREDTH BIRTHDAY.

HE DIDN'T MAKE HIS BIRTHDAY OF APRIL 13TH, WHICH IS MY BIRTHDAY ALSO, BUT A DIFFERENT YEAR, .

UM, HE WAS A GOOD MAN.

HE WAS VERY BENEVOLENT.

UM, AND I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE CLOSING THE MEETING IN HONOR OF HIM.

HE'S WORKED WITH PEP FOR MANY YEARS.

HE, UM, WORKED AT BENET ISRAEL, UM, ON THEIR BUILDING, UM, BUILDING COMMITTEE, BUT HE ALSO WORKED FOR WRIGHT AND KY.

AND THIS GOES WAY BACK AND IT WAS A CONTRACTING GROUP, AND HE WAS JUST A REALLY GOOD HUMAN.

SO I'M GONNA MISS HIM.

HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN VERY MANY COMMUNITY EFFORTS.

IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CLOSE THE MEETING IN HONOR LIPTON TONIGHT.

UH, WITH THAT, WE MOVE DOWN TO OUR, UM, AGENDA APPROVAL.

AND I LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE POINT TO SEE IF ANYONE WISHES TO CHANGE THE AGENDA FROM AS YOU HAVE IT PRINTED IN YOUR HANDS, SEEING NO ONE WISHING A CHANGE, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED AS PRINTED.

UH, TONIGHT OUR, UH, FIRST

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AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE CHELSEA THOMPSON, OUR DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCE AND UTILITIES FOR THE PODIUM TO START THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, MY NAME'S CHELSEA THOMPSON, DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES AND UTILITIES, AND TONIGHT WE HAVE SONOMA WATER HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ITS TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, CAPITAL AND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.

SONOMA WATER IS A WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLIER THAT PROVIDES WATER TO MORE THAN 600,000 RESIDENTS IN PORTIONS OF SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTIES, INCLUDING THE CITY OF PETALUMA.

THIS PRESENTATION IS BEING PROVIDED IN ADVANCE OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 AND 27 WATER TRANSMISSION BUDGET AND RATE SETTING PROCESS.

SO SONOMA WATER WILL RETURN TO COUNCIL IN MARCH WITH A PRESENTATION ON PETALUMA'S IMPORTED RATES FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

UM, WITH THAT, I'LL HAVE KEN KENT, GUILTY UP.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCDONALD AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I'M KENT GIL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AT SONOMA WATER, AND I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE DAVID ROYAL.

HE'LL BE UP HERE IN A MOMENT.

UM, WHO'S OUR ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OVER OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE DIVISION.

UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, UM, THIS EVENING TO PRESENT UPDATES ON, AS CHELSEA MENTIONED, SOME OF SNOW WATER'S, WATER SUPPLY, TRANSMISSION SYSTEM PROJECTS, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND SOME OF OUR MAINTENANCE EFFORTS.

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UM, WE'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT SNOW WATER'S CONTINUING EFFORTS TO ASSURE THE RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCY OF OUR WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM THAT SERVES YOUR PETALUMA COMMUNITY.

SO IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR THAT WE WERE REPORTING TO THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COUNCILS OF OUR, UH, VARIOUS WATER CONTRACTORS.

WE UNFORTUNATELY MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOUR COUNCIL.

UM, SO MANY OF THE UPDATES I'LL BE PROVIDING ARE GIVEN RELATIVE TO WHAT WE WERE REPORTING ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.

UM, WE DO HOPE YOU FIND THE INFORMATION TO BE HELPFUL AHEAD OF THE BUDGET.

DIS UH, EXCUSE ME, THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THAT'LL BE OCCURRING, UM, IN MARCH IN THE PRESENTATION TO YOUR COUNCIL THAT CHELSEA MADE REFERENCE TO.

WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SLIDES, SO I'LL JUMP RIGHT IN.

BUT I ACTUALLY, I WANNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBERS CATER THOMPSON AND TO CARLY FOR THEIR ROLES ON OUR WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT POINT OF COORDINATION, UM, FOR SONOMA WATER WITH OUR WATER CONTRACTORS.

AND WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF, UH, GOING ON A TOUR WITH BOTH OF YOU, UM, THIS PAST YEAR.

UM, APPRECIATE THAT ROLE AS WELL AS CHELSEA THOMPSON'S AND DAN HERRERA'S ROLE ON OUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND VARIOUS OTHER STAFF, UM, THAT WE ENGAGE WITH ON FLOOD CONTROL AND SANITATION AS IT RELATES TO OUR PEN GROVE SANITATION ZONE.

SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE POINTS OF COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE'LL TOUCH ON, UM, SOME OF A PROJECT COM PROJECTS THAT WERE RECENTLY, RECENTLY COMPLETED IN 2025 OR ARE IN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION, UM, OR THOSE THAT ARE IN UP UPCOMING DESIGN, AS WELL AS SOME PLANNING AND MAINTENANCE EFFORTS.

SO QUICKLY, JUST BY CHELSEA GAVE SOME OF THIS, BUT JUST QUICKLY FOR INTRODUCTION, FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE LESS FAMILIAR WITH SONOMA WATER, UH, IN THE ROOM, WE ARE A WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLIER, SOME 600,000 RESIDENTS IN SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTIES.

OUR DIRECT CUSTOMERS ARE THE RETAIL WATER SUPPLIERS OR OUR WATER CONTRACTORS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, UM, WHICH ARE MANY OF THE CITIES AND THE WATER DISTRICTS THAT SUPPLY DIRECTLY TO INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND BUSINESSES.

OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF WATER IS THE RUSSIAN RIVER.

IT'S AIDED BY TWO FEDERALLY SPONSORED STORAGE PROJECTS, ONE AT LAKE MENDOCINO AND THE OTHER AT LAKE SONOMA.

SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC THERE AS WELL, CONVEY WELL THAT WATER SUPPLY THROUGH THE RUSSIAN RIVER, UM, AND WHERE WE DIVERT IT FROM THE RIVER, UM, WHERE WE DIVERT WATER FROM THE RIVER AT OUR PUMPING PRODUCTION FACILITIES NEAR THE WOOL OR BEL AREA NEAR, UH, FORESTVILLE AND INTO OUR WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE, UH, BLACK DOTTED LINES YOU COULD BARELY SEE AS BEING BLACK DOTTED, BUT THAT'S THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT GRAPHIC THERE.

UM, AND PETALUMA BEING AT THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR, UH, WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.

UM, THOUGH WE DO HAVE, UM, CONTRACTORS IN, IN MARIN COUNTY, WE SERVE IN MARIN COUNTY AS WELL.

WE RELOCATE THE GENERATOR AND GET IT ELEVATED.

SO I'LL START HERE WITH A SNAPSHOT OF OUR 2025 ACTIVE AND COMPLETED WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

THEY'RE ORDERED HERE ON THIS LIST, UM, BY THEIR CONTRACT AWARD DATE.

DID THESE WERE, MOST OF THESE WERE TOUCHED ON IN THE, THE UPDATES WE GAVE LAST YEAR.

UM, BUT THIS LIST DOES PROVIDE A GOOD OVERVIEW AND UPDATE OF THE CURRENT, UM, SCHEDULE OUTLOOK FOR COMPLETING THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.

UH, ALONG WITH THEIR AWARDED CONTRACT VALUES, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, A FEW OF THESE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UH, INCLUDING A COUPLE OF CONTRACTED PHASES OF, UM, OUR SANTA ROSA PLAIN WELLS PROJECT AND A CONTRACT FOR RECODING A COUPLE OF THE TANKS.

THE REMAINDER OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, ARE IN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION AND NEARING COMPLETION IN THE FIRST HALF OF 2026, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR WILFRED BOOSTER STATION PROJECT THAT JUST AWARDED IN DECEMBER AND WILL COMPLETE IN 2027.

SO I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST WAS OUR ELI BOOSTER PUMP STATION.

IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE WERE REPORTING LAST YEAR AS, AND HIGHLIGHTED AS BEING, UH, SUBJECTED TO SIGNIFICANT PROCUREMENT DELAYS FOR OUR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.

FINALLY, IN 2025, WE DID SEE THAT GEAR, UH, DELIVERED.

UH, IT ARRIVED THIS LAST OCTOBER.

UM, THE FO THOSE TWO LOWER PHOTOS, SEE THAT, SEE THAT GEAR FOR RATHER LARGE GEAR BEING HAULED INTO THE SITE.

COME ON ELI ROAD THERE.

IT WAS VERY TIGHT.

UM, IT IS A THEME OF, I I, I GUESS I'LL HIGHLIGHT THERE, THAT ELECTRICAL GEAR SUPPLY IS, HAS IT TOOK THREE AND A HALF YEARS FOR THAT GEAR TO ARRIVE.

UH, WE HAVE CO AWARDED THAT CONTRACT IN EARLY 2022, AND IT ARRIVED IN OCTOBER.

SO THAT IS THE WORST CASE FOR US.

BUT ELECTRICAL GEAR IN, IN GENERAL HAS BEEN A, UH, HAD LONG, VERY LONG LEAD TIMES FOR OUR PROJECTS IN RECENT YEARS.

UM, THIS IS A FEMA FUNDED, UH, RESILIENCY PROJECT TO REPLACE ELECTRICAL GEAR AND PROTECTED FROM FLOODING THAT OCCURS NEAR ELI ROAD IN THE PEN GROVE PETALUMA AREA.

UH, WE ARE NOW SCHEDULED TO ENERGIZE THAT NEW SWITCH GEAR THIS MONTH, AND THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO COMPLETE IN MAY ONCE

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AND UNDER OUR MULTI-YEAR TANK REHABILITATION PROGRAM, UH, WHEREIN WE ARE RECODING THE SYSTEMS 18 ABOVE GRADE WELDED STEEL STEEL STORAGE TANKS, WE'RE ALSO REPLACING CATHODIC PROTECTION SYSTEMS, C CORROSION PROTECTION SYSTEMS, UH, ADDRESSING MINOR REPAIRS AND EVA EVALUATING POTENTIAL SEISMIC VULNERABILITIES THAT, UH, MAY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED EARLY IN 2025.

UM, WE HAD WRAPPED UP THE CONTRACT FOR KATI ONE AND CAST TANKS.

SO ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN ENDS OF CATA PETALUMA, THEY PROVIDED A COMBINED 18 MILLION GALLONS OF STORAGE ALONG THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT.

UH, THE WORK FOR THAT FOR THOSE TWO TANKS INCLUDED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR COATINGS, REPLACING AND REPAIRING CORRODED STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS AND NEW CATHODIC PROTECTION SYSTEMS. UM, WE WERE ALSO REPORTING THAT THE CAST TANK SOUTH END OF TOWN, UM, REPRESENTED THE REMOVAL OF OUR LAST COAL, COAL TAR LINED, UH, TANK.

SO WE WERE ES ESPECIALLY PLEASED TO, UH, COMPLETE THAT CONTRACT.

NEXT, UH, IN MAY, WE COMPLETED, UM, OCCIDENTAL WELL NUMBER THREE DRILLING CONTRACT.

SO THIS IS PART OF WORK TO COMPLETE THE REHABILITATION OF THREE PRODUCTION WELLS IN THE SANTA ROSA PLANE, PRIMARILY UTILIZED FOR DROUGHT RESILIENCY.

TWO OF THOSE THREE WELLS, UM, OUR SEBASTOPOL ROAD AND OUR OCCIDENTAL ROAD WELLS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY FUNDED WITH A $6.9 MILLION, UH, STATE DROUGHT RESILIENCY GRANT AND INCLUDE AS PART OF THE REHABILITATION, THE ENHANCED FUNCTIONALITY TO OPERATE AS AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY WELLS.

UM, HAVING THE CAPABILITY TO RECHARGE THE GROUNDWATER FROM OUR WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM WITH THOSE WELLS AND TO STORE AVAILABLE WINTER WATER, UH, FOR LATER WITHDRAWAL AND USE.

SO, OCCIDENTAL ROAD, WELL, UH, WHERE WE HAD TO INSTALL A WHOLE NEW WELL DRILL A WHOLE NEW WELL, WE COMPLETED AND CLOSED OUT THAT WELL DRILLING CONTRACT IN 2025.

AND, UH, LAST YEAR'S REPORTING, UH, THE DESIGN FOR THE SUBSEQUENT WELL ACTIVATION CONTRACT WHEREIN INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUMPING AND PIPING AND ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTATION AND CONTROLS.

THAT WAS JUST WRAPPING UP AT THAT TIME.

UM, THAT CONTRACT WAS AWARDED LAST YEAR IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S EXPECTED TO BE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE NEXT MONTH, MAKING THE WELL FUNCTIONAL FOR PRODUCTION PURPOSES.

OUR GRANT CLOSEOUT IS IN MARCH FOR THIS, WELL, WE WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO THE PILOT TESTING FOR THE A SR, THE AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY WORK.

UM, THAT'LL BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, NEXT, NEXT YEAR OR LATER THIS YEAR.

THANKS.

UM, AND AT SEBASTOPOL ROAD, WELL THAT WELL ACTIVATION CONTRACT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED THIS PAST FALL.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS THERE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE 'EM OUT.

IT'S A VERY, IT'S VERY SMALL SITE.

IT'S VERY CRAMPED WITH A LOT OF UNDERGROUND WORK.

UM, BUT WE DID GET THAT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.

SO MOVING ON TO, UH, CORROSION PROTECTION FOR OUR AQUEDUCTS.

UM, AND AT THIS WELL SITE, THE A SR PILOT TESTING IS REQUIRED UNDER OUR GRANT AND IT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, UNLIKE THE OCCIDENTAL ROAD.

WELL, UM, THE A SR PILOT TEST WAS INITIATED IN OC OCTOBER CONSISTING OF TWO CYCLES OF INJECTING GROUNDWATER, INJECTING WATER INTO THE GROUNDWATER, STORAGE OF THAT GROUNDWATER, AND, AND THEN PERIODS OF RECOVERY, UH, INVOLVING EXTENSIVE WATER QUALITY AND GROUNDWATER LEVEL MONITORING PER THE SCHEDULE AND PROTOCOL THAT CAN BE SEEN UP THERE.

UM, THE LITTLE GREEN TAG AT THE BOTTOM INDICATES WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ONE STEP BELOW WHERE THAT INDICATES WE'RE ON THE VERY LAST STAGE OF RECOVERY FOR THAT SECOND CYCLE, UM, OF THE PROTOCOL.

SO WE DO, UH, EXPECT TO COMPLETE THIS MONTH AND MOVE TO GR MOVE TO GRANT CLOSEOUT NEXT.

SO NEXT ON OUR 2025 LIST IS OUR TATI THREE TANK.

IT'S A SINGULAR 18 MILLION GALLON TANK.

IT'S THE UGLY LOOKING ONE IN THAT PHOTO UP AT THE TOP THERE.

UH, IT HAS NOW GOT A PRETTY NEW PAINT EXTERIOR CA PAINT JOB.

UM, AT LAST REPORT WE HAD JUST ADVERTISED AND AWARDED THE RECODING CONTRACT EARLY IN 2025.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR WORK, THE CATHARTIC WORK AND MINOR REPAIRS WE'RE ALSO STRUCTURALLY RETROFITTING THIS TANK, UM, BY, UM, FOR SEISMIC PURPOSES, BY WIDENING THE FOUNDATION RING TO ADDRESS A SEISMIC VULNERABILITY.

THAT DETAIL THERE, THAT WHITE GRAPHIC, UH, IS JUST US DETAIL OF US WIDENING THAT FOUNDATION.

IN ADDITION, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE ON THOSE, ON THOSE TWO PHOTOS TO THE FAR RIGHT ON THE, THE MIDDLE ONE AND THE LOWER ONE.

WE HAD THESE RE RETAINER CLIP CLIPS IN THE ROOF STR STRUCTURE THAT WERE FAILING AND CAUSING OUR, WHICH RESULTED IN THOSE ROOF BEAMS TIPPING OVER SEVERAL OF 'EM.

AND SO WE NEEDED TO REPAIR THOSE AS WELL.

UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN REPAIRED.

SO THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT IS THAT THE EXTERIOR COATING IS DONE.

INTERIOR COATING IS PRIMED.

FOUNDATION WIDENING SHOULD BE WRAP UP THE END OF THIS MONTH.

AND COMPLETION FOR THIS PROJECT IS SCHEDULED IN MARCH.

NEXT.

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UM, OUR WORK, CONVERTING OUR PASSIVE CATHODIC PROTECTION SYSTEMS THAT ARE AT THEIR END OF USEFUL LIFE TO AN IMPRESSED CURRENT SYSTEM, UH, FOR BOTH OUR SANTA ROSA AND OUR TATI AQUEDUCTS, UM, WAS REPORTED LAST YEAR TO SOON BE ADVERTISING THE PHASE ONE CONTRACT IN EARLY 25, 20 25.

THAT PHASE DID ULTIMATELY AWARD THIS PAST JULY CONSISTING OF SOME EIGHT RECTIFIER.

WE RECTIFIER AND ANODE WELL SITES AND EIGHT TEST STATIONS.

UM, THAT CONTRACT IS CURRENTLY PROCURING MATERIAL AND IS EXPECTED TO COMPLETE IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

THE LARGER PHASE TWO PROJECT WOULD, WOULD WRAP UP THOSE TWO AQUEDUCTS AS TWO TO FOUR TIMES AS MANY, UM, ELEMENTS TO IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP DESIGN AND SECURING, WELL, NOT WRAPPING UP DESIGN, BUT WORKING ON THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS AND SECURING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PERMITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IN ORDER TO ADVERTISE IN FISCAL YEAR 27 28.

BOTH, UH, PHASES REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT COORDINATION WITH PG E WITH RESPECT TO CATHODIC PROTECTION SYSTEM THAT THEY MAY OPERATE, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OURS.

THANKS.

AND FINALLY, ON THAT 2025 LIST OF PROJECTS, UM, AT THE WILFORD BOOSTER STATION, LOCATED ALONG THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT IN RUN PARK, WE'RE UPDATING OUTDATED ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT ADDRESSING SEISMIC VULNERABILITIES AND INSTALLING A REDUNDANT PUMP SET FOR RESILIENCY.

UM, THIS PUMP STATION NORMALLY PUMPS TO THE SOUTH TOWARDS PETALUMA, UM, UNDER NORMAL OPERATIONS.

UH, IT IS UNIQUE IN OUR SYSTEM, HOWEVER, IT IS THE ONE PUMP STATION THAT ALLOWS US TO PUMP NORTH ALSO.

SO UNDER CERTAIN EXCEPTIONAL OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS, UM, IT CAN BENEFIT THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN PORTIONS OF OUR, OF OUR SYSTEM, MAYBE DURING A CONSTRUCTION SHUTDOWN OR, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, A DISASTER OF SOME SORT.

IT, IT DOES GIVE US SOME OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY.

UM, THIS PROJECT WAS JUST AWARDED LAST MONTH, AND IT WILL, UH, CONTINUE INTO 2027.

SO THAT'S OUR LIST OF THE 2025 COMPLETED AND OR ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

SO NEXT, AND LOOKING FORWARD INTO 2026, UM, AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN AND SCHEDULED TO ADVERTISE IN 2026, WITH A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS UP THERE, UH, THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE ON THIS LIST.

UM, I'LL BE FOCUSING ON THOSE THAT ARE PLANNED TO ADVERTISE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

ONE OF THOSE IS OUR INE TANK.

NUMBER ONE.

IT'S A 6 MILLION GALLON TANK LOCATED AT THE UPSTREAM END OF OUR SONOMA AQUEDUCT SERVING EASTERN SANTA ROSA AND SONOMA VALLEY AT FROM SPRING LAKE AREA.

ALSO, OUR SONOMA TANK NUMBER ONE, UM, RECO RECOAT PROJECT ON THAT.

IT'S LOCATED AT THE TERMINAL END OF THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR SONOMA AQUEDUCT, OUR RIVER DIVER, OUR RDS OR OUR RIVER DIVERSION STRUCTURE.

RESILIENCY IMPROVEMENTS INVOLVES, UM, NEEDED PUMP AND MOTOR CONTROL CENTER, UH, REPLACEMENTS AND SEISMIC RESILIENCY IMPROVEMENTS FOR A FACILITY LOCATED ALONG THE RUSSIAN RIVER, WHERE OUR INFLATABLE DAM IS LOCATED, AND WHERE WE DIVERT WATER OUT OF THE RIVER AND PUMP IT INTO OUR TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.

UM, AND OUR WARM SPRINGS DAM HYDROPOWER PROJECT INVOLVES, UH, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES TO RESTORE THE FUNCTION OF OUR HYDROELECTRIC FACILITIES AT WARM SPRINGS DAM UP AT LAKE SONOMA.

UH, THE REVENUE OF WHICH HELPS TO, UH, OFFSET OR MODERATE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, UH, RATE INCREASES.

THE RAINING PROJECTS ON THERE ARE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM MODERNIZATION, CT COMPLIANCE PROJECT, AND OUR ROLLER ROAD STORAGE FACILITY, AS WELL AS CATHODIC, UH, PHASE TWO.

UM, OR OR LATER THIS YEAR, OR LATER THIS YEAR, I'M SORRY, CATHODIC PHASE TWO IN 2027.

MY LAST SLIDE BEFORE DAVID COMES UP, UM, IS JUST AN UPDATE ON OUR, ON OUR MASTER DEVELOP, OUR MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.

IT'S LOOKING AT A RANGE OF FUTURE NEEDS FOR OUR TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, UH, FOR A 20 YEAR, UH, PLANNING HORIZON THROUGH YEAR 2045.

IT'S A THREE YEAR EFFORT.

UH, LAST YEAR OUR CONSULTANT HAD COMPLETED TASKS ASSOCIATED LOOKING AT BASELINE CONDITIONS, DEVELOPING A PROJECT PRIORITIZATION METHODOLOGY.

IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS, LOOKING AT WATER DEMAND PROJECTIONS, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, WHERE ALL, ALL THE WATER CONTRACTORS AND US ARE, UH, DEVELOPING OUR URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLANS.

AND THEY'LL BE DEVELOPING BASIS OF COST INFORMATION.

AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE IDENTIFICATION OF ACTUAL PROJECTS AND THE COMPILATION OF THE PLAN, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 26, 27.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, DAVID.

A DISCUSSION ON A, A, A PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT IS EXTREMELY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, AS A PETALUMA RESIDENT, I'M PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE, UH, WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR O AND M GROUP, OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE IN SONOMA WATER.

UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID ROYAL.

I'M THE ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF THAT GROUP.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT IS

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UH, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UH, A NEW COMPUTER MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UH, FROM A VENDOR CALLED NEXTGEN.

UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE, WE LEFT, UM, OUR OLD SYSTEM, WHICH I, I WON'T NAME, UM, BUT I FEEL REALLY FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, WATER AGENCY, UPPER MANAGEMENT BUY IN ON BRINGING ON A NEW SYSTEM.

UM, AND WHAT WE DID OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE BROKE IT INTO TWO PHASES.

UH, PHASE ONE, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS AND THE MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

UM, AND THEN IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE BROUGHT ON THE REST OF OUR GROUPS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE OUR COLLECTIONS TEAM, UM, FIELD MAINTENANCE.

THERE ARE THE, THE FOLKS, FOLKS THAT WORK IN OUR, IN THE STREAMS, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, IN PETALUMA AND, UH, SCADA INDUSTRIAL WASTE.

AND THEN LASTLY, OUR EMERGENCY AND SAFETY MANAGEMENT TEAM.

UM, IT'S BEEN REALLY A, A LABOR OF LOVE.

WE INHERITED A, YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT WAS A BLANK SLATE, AND THROUGH THE HELP OF ALL MAINTENANCE STAFF, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO POPULATE IT WITH ALL OF OUR ASSETS, UM, AND THEN CREATE, UH, WORK ORDERS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, AS WELL AS THE PM SCHEDULES, UM, TO, TO GET THAT WORK DONE.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY BEEN BENEFICIAL ABOUT THIS SOFTWARE FOR US IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE LABOR ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH UPGRADES TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO WHAT THAT WILL DO IN THE FUTURE IS HELP POPULATE OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, UH, TO GIVE REAL DATA TO THE NEED TO REPLACE OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, SO HERE'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UM, OUR, UH, SONOMA AQUEDUCT, THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT, AND THE SANTA ROSA AQUEDUCT.

JUST TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE TO THOSE, AND SOME OF THE TANKS THAT WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, MAINLY IN SONOMA.

UM, AS KENT INDICATED, WE'VE BEEN UNDERGOING A, A TANK MAINTENANCE PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THAT WE MOVE INTO, UM, OUR TANK RECOAT PROCESS.

UM, AS KENT INDICATED, ALSO, NIA TANK WAS OUR FIRST TANK TO GET, UM, A REHAB.

UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR SECURITY TEAM IS ALSO IMPLEMENTING, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS AS WELL AS SECURITY FENCING AROUND ALL OF OUR TANK SITES.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'LL USE NEXTGEN, UH, FOR THIS TANK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

UH, CONTRACTORS WHO ARE DOING THE WORK WILL PROVIDE US, UM, MONTHLY REPORTS, WHICH WE'LL UPDATE INTO OUR PROGRAM, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW OUR ENGINEERS TO SEE IN REAL TIME THE WORK THAT'S BEING ACCOMPLISHED.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL CREATE WORK ORDERS BASED ON THOSE SYSTEMS, AND THEN PROVIDE THOSE, UH, TO FIELD STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN WITH THEIR TABLETS IN THE FIELD.

UM, LOOK AT THE TANK'S, YOU KNOW, CONFIGURATIONS, WHERE THE VALVES ARE, THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND, UM, WE CAN ALSO TRACK EXACTLY HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE IS GOING INTO EACH TANK.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THIS IS ONE OF OUR TANK SITES WHERE WE HAVE BOTH LINEAR AND HORIZONTAL ASSETS.

UM, IF WE HAVE A SERIES OF VALVES THAT ARE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE JUST THROUGH A-A-G-I-S MAP TO IDENTIFY THEM.

BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE VALVES, UH, YOU KNOW, STACKING VERTICALLY, AND THEN HORIZONTALLY THE PIPES THAT FEED THEM.

UH, SO IN REAL TIME STAFF IN THE FIELD CAN CLICK ON A VALVE, SEE THE MANUFACTURER DATE OF INSTALL MAINTENANCE THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THAT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND THEN UPDATE, YOU KNOW, THE RECORDS AS THEY, AS THEY CONTINUE THEIR WORK IN THE FIELD.

UH, THE, THE MOBILE INTEGRATION PIECE HAS REALLY BEEN VITAL FOR THIS.

UH, STAFF DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY TO UPLOAD ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GATHERING IN THE FIELD.

IT CAN BE DONE IN REAL TIME, UH, AND IT'S BEEN A BIG SAVINGS FOR US.

SO, AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING, THIS IS OAKMONT TANK.

UM, ON THE SONOMA AQUEDUCT, WE'VE BEEN REPLACING A LOT OF OUR VALVES AS WE GET THE CONTRACTORS READY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, THE TANK CLEANUP, AND, UH, TANK RECOAT PROJECTS.

UH, SO IT'S BEEN A REAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SCHEDULE EVERYTHING TO STAY JUST ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE COMING IN.

UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, THE SAME TANK WHERE WE'RE INSTALLING OUR SECURITY FENCE FENCING AND OUR SECURITY CAMERAS.

UM, WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST SECURITY TEAM NOW, AND, UM, WE GET BRIEFINGS FROM, UM, THE, THE UNITED STATES, UH, UH, FROM THE CIA, FROM THE FBI ON THREATS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

AND WE'RE ABLE TO ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION TO KEEP ALL OF OUR TANKS SAFE, UM, AND TRY TO STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF THREATS AS THEY, AS THEY MIGHT ENTER THE SYSTEM.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, ONE OF THE VENTS ON TOP OF THE TANK.

UH, THEY USED TO BE LIKE 500 POUND STEEL, UH,

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CAPS.

NOW WE'VE REPLACED THEM ALL WITH FIBERGLASS THAT ARE FAR MORE EASY TO MANAGE, UH, AND OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM THEMSELVES.

UM, SO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT KENT WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE MECHANICS AND OUR FIELD STAFF, UM, ARE WORKING ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ALL THE TIME.

UM, AND AS YOU'RE AWARE WITH THE BUDGET SEASON COMING UP, UM, AND YOUR OWN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO PRIORITIZE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

AND, UH, THE WATER CONTRACTORS REALLY WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING THAT'S GOING FOR ALL OF THESE RATE INCREASES.

UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MAINTENANCE STAFF ARE TAKING CARE OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AND, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO DO, KEN MENTIONED THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON AND TO CARLY, UH, WENT ON A TOUR WITH US.

I'D LOVE TO EXTEND THAT INVITATION TO ALL OF YOU IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN CHECKING OUT, UM, OUR WATER SYSTEM.

YOU'LL GET TO SEE NOT ONLY THE PRODUCTION SIDE WHERE WE TAKE THE WATER OUT OF THE RIVER, UM, AND TREAT THE WATER, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE AQUEDUCTS, THE STORAGE TANKS AND HOW IT GETS TO YOU ONCE IT LEAVES THE RIVER.

UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU GUYS FOUND THAT TOUR HELPFUL, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT WE LOVE GIVING THEM, UH, OUR STAFF TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, PLEASE LET, UM, CHELSEA KNOW AND SHE'LL SET THAT UP WITH US.

I THINK THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, KENT AND I ARE HAPPY TO, UH, PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THOSE.

GREAT PRESENTATION.

UM, UH, I, BEFORE I BRING IT UP TO THE COUNCIL AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS I SHOULD NOTE TO THE PUBLIC THAT IF A PUBLIC HAS COMMENT ON THIS PRESENTATION DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HAVE A CARD IN TO ADD THAT COMMENT SO THAT IT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD TOO.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, UM, JUST TO CHECK ON THE WHOLE SYSTEM, UM, I KNOW THAT ON, ON MY PERSONAL COMPUTER, THEY'RE GETTING ALL SORTS OF SPAM AND ATTACKS AND, AND REQUESTS.

UM, AND SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE US ARE BEING UNDER ATTACK.

HOW SECURE ARE, ARE THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE CONSERVING OUR WATER AND CONTROLLING THIS WATER FLOW FOR US? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT WHO TRIES TO STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE BAD GUYS OUT IN THE WORLD.

UM, WE, WE HAVE BEEN ASSURED THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN.

WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, COUNTY OF SONOMA IT GROUP AS WELL.

AND, UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT GOT THROUGH THE SYSTEM WAS A HACKER FROM ROMANIA WHO WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET IN.

UH, THERE WAS NO MALICIOUS ACTIVITY THAT OCCURRED FROM THAT, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE'VE HAD ANYBODY GET INTO THE SYSTEM.

UM, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO CONTROL, UM, THE, OUR SCADA SYSTEM OR THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR SYSTEM, UH, REALLY, IT'S JUST, I THINK THEY'RE FISHING TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET IN.

SO, AND I THINK YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, UM, PIPES COMING INTO WHERE THE STATIONS ARE AND THE PUMPS AND EVERYTHING.

WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PIPES THEMSELVES? UH, ARE THEY ALL UP TO SPEED AND UP TO GRADE AND GOOD FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS? OR DO WE NEED TO TO REALLY REPLACE A LOT OF PIPES OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS? YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY STARTING TO LOOK AT, UM, AN ASSESSMENT OF ALL OF OUR PIPING AND AQUEDUCT SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW.

UM, WHAT WE DO SORT OF ON A PERIODIC BASIS IS TAKE COUPONS OR TAKE LITTLE CHUNKS OUT OF THE PIPE AND ANALYZE IT TO SEE HOW MUCH STEEL IS LEFT, HOW MUCH, WHERE HAS THERE BEEN, IS THE CONCRETE COATING THAT'S INSIDE STILL INTACT.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, A SYSTEM THAT IS, YOU KNOW, 40 TO 60 YEARS OLD IS IN REMARKABLY GOOD SHAPE.

SO, UM, WE ARE JUST STARTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE KNEES FOR REPLACEMENT, PRIORITIZING THOSE PROJECTS.

BUT RIGHT NOW, FOR, FOR NOW, OUR SYSTEM LOOKS PRETTY SOUND GOOD.

UM, AND THEN, UM, WHEN WE'RE MOVING WATER F ESPECIALLY FROM THE RUSSIAN RIVER, UH, THE GRAVEL BEDS OUT, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT ACTUALLY GET TREATED FOR, UM, BOTH, UH, FOR THE CHLORINE AND TO CREATE IT MORE BASICS? UH, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER USED, UH, A COUPLE TERMS IN THERE ABOUT, UH, THE TREATMENTS AND, AND COATINGS AND THE LIKE.

UM, SO IF YOU EXPLAIN THE, UH, TREAT, WHEN IS IT TREATED MM-HMM .

AND, AND SO WHEN THE WATER COMES OUT, I BELIEVE IT'S BASIC WHEN IT GETS TO OUR HOUSE.

UM, SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? OKAY.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TREAT, UH, WITH CHLORINE IN THE CASSONS THEMSELVES.

SO WE HAVE SIX CASSONS WHERE ALL, WHERE THERE'S TWO PUMPS IN EACH CASON, AND THAT'S HOW WE EXTRACT THE WATER FROM THE GRAVELS OF THE RUSSIAN RIVER.

UM, AS THAT WATER IS INTRODUCED INTO OUR PIPING SYSTEM, IT'S TREATED WITH CHLORINE ON SITE, THEN IT MAKES ITS WAY TO, UM, OUR TREATMENT FACILITY WHERE WE DOSE WITH, UH, CAUSTIC.

UH, THE REASON WE DO THAT IS WE DON'T WANT, UM, LEAD OR OTHER CHEMICALS IN PIPES TO LEACH OUT.

AND SO BY ADDING CAUSTIC, IT, IT PRO PRECLUDES THAT FROM HAPPENING.

OKAY, GOOD.

IT STILL, THAT'S FAIRLY MORE AT THE BEGINNING RATHER THAN YES.

AFTER THE TANKS AND EVERYTHING.

EXACTLY.

IT'S ALL BEFORE THE HELPING PROTECT THOSE TANKS NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT 'EM COATED.

I JUST WANTED TO CHECK ON THOSE THINGS.

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COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN.

I'M CURIOUS HOW THE, UM, HOW YOU S HOW YOU SEE THE PILOT PROGRAMS OR THE, THE PILOT TESTS FOR THE A SR GOING AT THIS POINT.

DOES IT LOOK PROMISING? UM, ARE, ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC, SKEPTICAL, ANYTHING THAT YOU'D SHARE? THANK YOU.

KENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? SURE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A STRONG OPINION AT THIS POINT.

THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, OVERCHARGE THE, THE WELLS.

UM, WE, WE, THE RECHARGE RATE WAS LOWER THAN WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO TARGET.

THAT JUST MEANS THE GROUNDWATER LEVEL WAS HIGHER THAN WE WERE EXPECTING IT TO BE AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE DOING THE PILOT TEST.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ANALYTICS YET ON ALL THE DATA WE WERE, WE HAD MULTIPLE MONITORING WELLS AROUND, UH, THE, THE TWO WELLS THAT WE WERE, UM, IMPLEMENTING A SR AT.

WE'VE BEEN, DO WE DO WATER QUALITY SAMPLES THERE? BUT ALL THAT DATA IS, WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP THE A SR ELEMENTS NOW ON THE ONE, WELL, SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ANALYTICS YET, BUT, UM, SO FAR FROM OUR GROUNDWATER FOLKS, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ALARM BELLS GOING OFF.

SO WE'RE ENCOURAGED THAT IT'S THE SYSTEM'S FUNCTIONAL, UM, DURING A A, A CASE OF A DROUGHT, WE WOULD EXPECT THOSE GROUNDWATER LEVELS TO BE DEPLETED AND THERE'LL BE MORE AVAILABLE CAPACITY, UH, FOR WINTER WATER RECHARGE.

SURE.

FROM THIS SIGN COUNCIL, UH, VICE MAYOR DE CARLY, THANKS DAVID AND KENT FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING INFRASTRUCTURE AND I STILL TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THAT TOUR.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO TEACH THEM ABOUT IT.

'CAUSE IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN AMAZING SYSTEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

UH, I DID WANT TO ASK IF, UH, IF THERE'S A PLAN FOR A PARALLEL PETALUMA AQUEDUCT AT SOME POINT, UM, IN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING, THERE CERTAINLY HAD IN THE PAST, WE'VE DEVELOPED A DESIGN FOR A PARALLEL ONE.

UM, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER, OTHER CUSTOMERS OF OURS, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL PARALLEL LINE AS WELL.

UM, THOSE ARE NOT PLANNED, IMMEDIATE PLANNED IMMEDIATELY.

WE, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND LOOKING AT DEMANDS THERE.

UM, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN LONG RANGE DISCUSSIONS OF A POTENTIAL PIPELINE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING IN DESIGN AT THIS STAGE.

WONDERFUL.

UM, AND, UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, AND ALL, AND I JUST WANNA KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU, MR. EY AGAIN.

UH, UH, MR. GIL AND I WORKED TOGETHER APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS AGO AT A DIFFERENT 25, 35 TO 40.

THERE YOU GO.

MIGHT HAVE .

BOY, YOU'RE OLDER THAN I THOUGHT, , BUT IT'S NICE TO SEE HOW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE HOW, UH, FAR YOU'VE COME AND, AND, UH, WHAT, UH, GOOD BASICS MARINE MUNICIPAL GAVE YOU.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, AND I HOPE YOU'LL STAY IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS DURING OUR GENERAL, UH, COMMENT PERIOD.

TO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THAT MOVES US

[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]

AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

SO PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES.

IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AFTER THE LAST BUSINESS ITEM.

AND I'LL NOTE WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, SO IT'S A GOOD NIGHT TO HAVE A FULL HOUSE.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE OUR CLERK TO, UM, ANNOUNCE BOTH WHETHER WE'VE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE AND PROCEED WITH THE MESSAGE.

UH, THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP ALL THE SPEAKERS IMMEDIATELY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE CLOCK AT 90 SECONDS TONIGHT.

UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED 25 GENERAL COMMENTS, AND THOSE ARE POSTED ONLINE.

UH, I ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS.

I BELIEVE I HAVE 18 RIGHT NOW.

UH, AT THIS TIME, I'LL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

DURING THESE 30 SECONDS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO MY DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.

SPEAKER CARDS RECEIVED AFTER THIS TIME MAY NOT BE ACCOMMODATED.

WE HAVE 18 GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS TONIGHT.

AND, UM, THE RULES ALLOW THE MAYOR A LITTLE LATITUDE ON,

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ONE MINUTE AND ONE HALF.

UM, I WILL NOTE TO THE PUBLIC THAT ONE MINUTE AND ONE HALF GOES EXCEEDINGLY FAST.

AND SO HITTING ON YOUR KEY POINTS WILL BE NECESSARY.

AND IF THE KEY POINT HAS BEEN MADE BY OTHERS, EXPRESS A SUPPORT OF WHAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY SAID, RATHER THAN CONSUMING TIME TO REPEAT WHAT WE PROBABLY ALL UNDERSTAND TO BE IMPORTANT AS IS.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, OUR, UH, FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT IS CLINT GILBERT TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOMINIC FUZZI, FOLLOWED BY FRED PCHA.

SO, UH, CLINT, FIRST UP, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.

UH, MY NAME IS CLINT GILBERT, UH, AND I'M THE FIRST OF THREE TO BE HERE, TO PRESENT TO, UH, OUR MAYOR, KEVIN MCDONALD.

UH, FOR MANY YEARS I CHOSE TO STAY HOME ON VETERAN'S DAY.

RATHER THAN WATCH THE PARADE, I SIMPLY DIDN'T WANT TO BE REMINDED OF MY TIME IN VIETNAM AND THE WAR THERE.

THAT CHANGED.

WHEN I JOINED THE SANTA ROSA CHAPTER FOR THE VETERANS FOR PEACE, I FINALLY SAW A WAY TO TRANSFORM THAT MEMORY INTO A MESS, INTO A MESSAGE OF HOPE.

AND NOW I MARCH IN SOLIDARITY FOR PEACE.

VETERANS FOR PEACE IS A GLOBAL ORGANIZATION OF MILITARY VETERANS AND ALLIES WHOSE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS ARE TO BUILD A CULTURE OF PEACE.

BY USING OUR EXPERIENCES AND LIFTING OUR VOICES, WE INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE TRUE CAUSE OF WAR AND THE ENORMOUS COSTS OF WAR WITH AN OBLIGATION TO HEAL THE WOUNDS OF WAR.

OUR NETWORK IS COMPRISED OF OVER 140 CHAPTERS WORLDWIDE, WHOSE WORK INCLUDES EDUCATING THE PUBLIC, ADVOCATING FOR A DISMANTLING OF THE WAR ECONOMY, PROVIDING SERVICES THAT ASSIST VETERANS AND VICTIMS OF WAR, AND MOST SIGNIFICANTLY WORKING TO END ALL WARS.

UH, DOMINIC ZUZI.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.

UM, MY NAME IS DOMINIC ZI.

I SERVE AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL CHAPTER, VETERANS PEACE CHAPTER 71.

FIVE YEARS AGO, VFP JOINED WITH ROTARY WITH A GOAL TO, UH, DEDICATING A PEACE POLL WITH, UH, THE PHRASE MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH IN EIGHT LANGUAGES ON THE CAMPUS OF EVERY SCHOOL IN SONOMA COUNTY, WE HAVE DONE 93 POLLS THUS FAR, INCLUDING ALL THE SCHOOLS IN PETALUMA.

AT EACH DEDICATION, WE HAVE THE STUDENTS AND TEACHERS RECITE, UM, A PEACE PLEDGE, UH, WHICH WAS CREATED BY FIFTH AND SIXTH GRADERS, UM, FROM SANTA ROSA.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITIZENS IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE IF YOU'D LIKE, REPEAT AFTER ME A PLEDGE TO USE MY WORDS TO SPEAK IN A KIND WAY.

I LIKE TO USE MY WORDS IN A KIND WAY.

I PLEDGE TO HELP OTHERS AS I GO THROUGHOUT MY DAY.

I PLEDGE TO CARE FOR OUR EARTH WITH MY HEART, HEALING HEART AND HANDS.

I PLEDGE TO HEAL THE EARTH WITH MY, OUR HEALING HEART.

AND I PLEDGE TO RESPECT PEOPLE IN EACH AND EVERY LAND.

I PLEDGE TO RESPECT PEOPLE EVERY I PLEDGE TO JOIN TOGETHER AS WE UNITE THE BIG AND SMALL AND SMALL.

I PLEDGE TO DO MY P MY P MY PART TO CREATE PEACE FOR ONE AND ALL, FOR ONE AND ALL.

TO ATTEND PEACEFUL DEDICATIONS AT EVERY SCHOOL IN SONOMA, IN PETALUMA, WHERE EACH POLE HAD THEIR PHRASE BE PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH IN EIGHT LANGUAGES, AND WERE SPONSORED BY VETERANS FOR PEACE AND LOCAL ROTARY CLUBS.

AND, UH, FRED POOKA.

FRED PUCCI, THE PRESIDENT OF VETERANS PEACE FOR SON COUNTY.

I HAD FOUR TOURS IN VIETNAM AS A NAVAL OFFICER BETWEEN 1965 AND 1970.

IF THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU WANNA WORK FOR WORLD PEACE, NOTHING WILL.

WE HAD 93 PEACEFUL DEDICATIONS, BUT THE ONE MAYOR ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE IS MAYOR KEVIN MCDONALD.

SO WHEREAS PETALUMA MAYOR KEVIN MCDONALD RODE HIS BICYCLE

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WHEREAS MAYOR KEVIN MCDONALD KEEPS A PEACE PLEDGE WRITTEN BY FIFTH AND SIXTH GRADE STUDENTS ON HIS SCREEN SAVER.

SO THAT INSPIRES HIM EVERY DAY WHEN HE OPENS HIS COMPUTER.

WHEREAS MAYOR MCDONALD CAME TO THE DEFENSE OF ELLEN OBSER, A PETALUMA MOTHER WHO WAS CARRYING A SIGN SAYING WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS AS PART OF THE VETERANS FOR PEACE ENTRY IN THE PETALUMA ARMY ESTATE PARADE.

AND WHO WAS BEING VERBALLY ATTACKED FOR BEING TOO POLITICAL.

WHEREAS MAYOR MCDONALD WROTE A RESPONSE TO THE PARADE INCIDENT THAT SET IN PART VETERANS DAY IS SUCH A FRAUGHT HOLIDAY.

IT IS INTENDED AS A SIGN OF RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR OUR FREEDOM YET IS INHERENTLY INTERCONNECTED WITH WAR IF IT DOES NOT CONFLICT OUR SOULS.

THANK, THANK YOU, FRED.

WE ARE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO AND WHERE, WHEREAS MAYOR MCDONALD, BY HIS WORDS, ACTIONS REPRESENT THE BEST SPIRIT OF PETALUMA AMERICA.

FRED, THAT TIME IS UP.

AND AS MUCH AS I'M FLATTERED BY THE, THE, ALL THE COMMENTS, OKAY.

THEREFORE, I PROCLAIM KEVIN MCDONALD, AN HONORARY MEMBER OF VETERAN FOR PEACE.

WE ALL NEED A ROLE MODEL, OKAY.

IN THIS TIME.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

IT WASN'T GONNA COME.

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

THE ROLE MODELS STAND UP FOR WHAT HE STOOD UP WITH.

UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE WHITE.

SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON.

I LOVE IT, .

SO, UM, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE WHITE, SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER NOW FOR YOUR SERVICES, VICE MAYOR.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU DURING THESE MEETINGS, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS RESPECTFUL AND YOUR PASSION FOR PETALUMA IS EVIDENT.

UH, THANK YOU TO CONGRATULATIONS, FIRST OF ALL TO COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY.

IT'S HARD TO CALL YOU THAT.

ANYWAY, FOR YOUR NEW POSITION AS VICE MAYOR.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT IN EARLY JANUARY, MEETING ON BEHALF OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA REGARDING THE CHANGES THAT WERE ADDED AT THE LAST MINUTE TO THE GENERAL PLAN TO ALLOW FOR BUILDINGS TO GO FROM SIX TO EIGHT STORIES CLEARLY WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED WHEN THE REFERENDUM BY PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES WAS CREATED WAS FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON SUCH HUGE CHANGES.

IT'S NOT A YES OR A NO, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO RE-REVIEW THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY HAD IF YOU WERE GOING TO REVISIT THE ONES FOR THE OVERLAY, BECAUSE THE PARAMETERS WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING HEIGHTS AND WHAT WAS REQUIRED WERE WEAK AT BEST, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO RECYCLING.

AND GARBAGE WAS AN OPTION, NOT A REQUIREMENT.

AND LASTLY, I JUST APPRECIATE, AS THEY SAID, FOR US SITTING HERE AND WHEN WE COME UP TO SPEAK, TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND FOR NOT TO BE CALLED NIMBYS.

EGREGIOUS HARM IS DONE TO BUYERS WHO HAVE NO RELEVANT INFORMATION BEFORE PURCHASE, OUR RESIDENTS WENT TO THE STATE CAPITOL TO TESTIFY TO SB 7 22, WHICH IS THE CLEANUP TO SB 79.

UH, JODY JOHNSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF, OUR BAD ACTOR.

LARGE INVESTMENT MOBILE PARK OWNERS ARE DOUBLING AND TRIPLING DOWN ON RETALIATIONS DEMANDS AND MISREPRESENTATIONS TO RESIDENTS, REALTORS, AND COMMUNITIES AS THEY CONTINUE TO WEAPONIZE THE LEGAL SYSTEM AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CITY.

THEY'RE INCREASING THEIR ELDER AND VULNERABLE FAMILY ABUSE IN A WAY THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE OKAY WITH.

RESIDENTS OF CAPRI RECEIVED UNLAWFUL DEMANDS REGARDING INSURANCE.

REALTORS SELLING AND CAPRI ARE BEING TOLD THAT HARMONY HAS OBTAINED 51% OF RESIDENTS COMPLIANCE, THAT THEY CAN RAISE GROUND RENTS TO FAIR MARKET VALUE.

THEY'RE THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT THE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE, THE VACANCY CONTROL, AND ALL PROTECTIONS.

WE NO LONGER HAVE A 51% RULE TO GO AFTER AN ATTEMPTED INCREASE IN GROUND RENT.

WE HAVE AN ARBITRATION SYSTEM.

NO DOUBT THE ARBITRATION SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM BECAUSE SIMPLY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROVE.

AFTER ZERO AWARDS IN SIX ARBITRATIONS, WE HAVE TRIED TO SHARE WITH REALTORS THE RSO AND THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAYS, BUT PARK OWNERS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE DEMAND TO THE REALTOR, AND IN SOME CASES, NOT ALLOWING THE REALTOR TO BE PRESENT WITH THEIR CLIENT IN ANY PARK MANAGEMENT MEETING.

THE THOSE SECRET MEETINGS ARE WHERE

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THE INTENT OF SE SB 79 AND HOUSING AROUND TRANSIT WAS NEVER TO MAKE MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENTS THANK JANICE BARKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER BOYLE.

GOOD EVENING.

OUR RESIDENTS WERE APPLAUDED BY THE, BY THE SENATE COMMITTEE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR ORGANIZING AND SHARING RELEVANT INFORMATION.

SENATOR CALDRON EVEN STATED THAT WE MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN LET DOWN IN MANY JURISDICTIONS, BUT OF COURSE, WE FEEL WE HAVE NOT BEEN LET DOWN BY OUR CITY.

WHO STANDS FOR THE TRUTH? THE FACTS, AND FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE CAPRI RESIDENTS RECEIVED LAST WEEK, AN ANNUAL PACKET FROM HARMONY WITH A DEMAND FOR HOME INSURANCE.

THERE IS NO RELEVANT MRL CODE ATTACHED AS IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE.

NOW, THERE CAN BE NO DEMAND FROM A PARK OWNER FOR A MOBILE HOME OWNED BY THE RESIDENCE.

INSURANCE MUST BE MAINTAINED BY LENDING INSTITUTIONS, BUT THAT IS BETWEEN THE RESIDENT OWNER AND THE LENDING INSTITUTION.

WE MUST BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO ANGEL FROM LITTLE WOODS.

AGAIN.

IN THE FIRST ARBITRATION, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT ANGEL HAD BEEN ABUSED WITH AN MLS LISTING GROUND RENT THAT SHOWED 4 99 TURNING INTO ALMOST $1,300 OF GROUND RENT.

IF THAT WASN'T BAD ENOUGH, WE NOW SEE ANGEL HAS RECEIVED A 4.46% INCREASE LAST YEAR.

AND LAST WHILE HIS FELLOW, FELLOW NEIGHBORS RECEIVED THE 1.1% ALLOWABLE INCREASE WHEN ADDRESSED TO HARMONY.

EMILY CODER, KROGER JUNIOR REGIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JENNIFER BOYLE TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM BORDIA.

GOOD EVENING.

WHEN ADDRESSED TO HARMONY, EMILY QUARTER, JR.

REGIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER FOR HARMONY STATED THAT IT WAS BECAUSE HE HAD SIGNED A LONG-TERM LEASE IN 2023.

NOT ONLY WAS THIS NOT ALLOWED STARTING JANUARY, 2025 BECAUSE OF AB 2 7 82, BUT ANGEL NEVER EVEN KNEW HE HAD SIGNED A LONG-TERM LEASE BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN OPTION.

IN FACT, ALL MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS IN PETALUMA ARE PROTECTED UNDER RENT STABILIZATION AS IT COMES TO ALLOWABLE ANNUAL ALLOWABLE INCREASES OR PASS THROUGHS.

YOUNGSTOWN PARK MANAGEMENT CONTINUES TO SELL TO ALL AGES AND HAS SATURATED THE LISTINGS OF 12.

MICHAEL DRIVE 29, PAMELA DRIVE 1 32.

PAMELA COURT ONLINE AS ALL AGES WHILE A SENIOR PARK OVERLAY ZONING IN EFFECT FROM OCTOBER, 2023 REMAINS AND LITIGATION PLAYS OUT, THEY DEFRAUD POTENTIAL BUYERS INTO BELIEVING THIS IS AN ALL AGE PARK, LITTLE WOODS' RESIDENCE WHILE FACING NO PARKING CLOSURE PROCESSES.

THANK YOU TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY WAYNE CLARK LITTLEWOODS RESIDENCE WHILE FACING NO PARKING CLOSURE POSSESS.

AND NOW SEVEN DAY NOTICES.

FEEL NO RELIEF FROM ANY OF THIS OPPOSITION BY PARK OWNERS.

WE'LL LIFT OUR VOICES QUIETLY, BUT WE WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE INJUSTICES THAT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

EVERY CHECK AND BALANCE TO PARK OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT IS MET WITH THEIR BUSINESS PLAN MOTTO.

WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE WANT AGAINST ANY MRL OR CITY ORDINANCE.

WE WILL BURY YOU IN LEGAL DEBT AND MAKE YOU SUBMIT.

PARK MANAGEMENT WILL COME AFTER A RESIDENT FOR TOO MANY POTTED PLANTS.

SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THIS VERY ONE-SIDED ACCOUNTABILITY.

A RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOT GONNA QUIT.

WE'LL KEEP COMING.

PETALUMA MOBILE RESIDENTS, UNITED STRONG.

THIS IS ALL TRUE.

EVERYTHING.

AND MANY OF YOU KNOW ALREADY THE AWFUL CRUELTY THAT THESE ANIMALS ARE PUTTING UPON US.

AND THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN TRYING TO FIGHT THESE ANIMALS.

WE REALLY NEED YOU AND YOU'RE REALLY SHOWING UP.

THANK YOU WAYNE CLARK TO BE FOLLOWED BY DARREN KUZEN.

GOTTA GO REALLY QUICK.

I'M BACK.

KAREN.

UH, LITTLE THING.

I'M CANADIAN, BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN VIETNAM.

STAGE FOUR CANCER SURVIVOR.

I WORK ON EVERYTHING THAT MOVES OKAY.

AND I APPRECIATE THIS CITY, LIKE BIG TIME.

UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH ICE.

WE'RE AT THE OVERPASS 1 0 1 OVERPASS.

WE'RE ON SATURDAY AT THE CROSSROADS, AND WE HAD INCREDIBLE TURNOUT ON THURSDAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK OVER AT LAKE CASEY.

WE NEED TO STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA.

AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PETALUMA STANDS.

UNITED AGAINST HATE.

DID TRUMP GET THE MEMO? I DON'T THINK SO.

YOU KNOW, HE IS.

OH YEAH.

PURE HATE AND IT'S JUST LIKE, WHAT A WAKE UP CALL.

OKAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ICE AGENTS, OKAY.

THEY'RE PROBABLY ALL PROUD BOYS.

OATH KEEPERS THREE PERCENTAGE ARE DEFINITELY MAGA THE REG, LIKE OUR PETALUMA POLICE ARE INCREDIBLE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHY IS MINNESOTA'S POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING OVERRIDDEN FIVE TIMES MORE ICE AGENTS? IT'S CRAZY.

INCOMPETENT.

THE WHOLE BUSH.

BUSH, I'M SORRY MR. BUSH W TRUMPS YOU COULDN'T HAVE A MORE INCOMPETENT THANK YOU.

I'M, I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE, UM, IT'S FOR ITEMS OF COUNSEL, SUBJECT MATTER DISCRETION, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT.

AND SO ANY COMMENTS YOU MAKE HAVE TO BE RELATED TO WHAT PETALUMA CAN BE DOING.

OH YEAH.

AND DOING BETTER.

BUT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE SAME, AND I KNOW YOU'LL DO A GREAT JOB.

AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DARREN KUZEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY KLEINSMITH.

THANK YOU COUNCIL AND CITY CLERK.

I CAME TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BRING UP A POINT, UH, THAT I FOUND FROM REVIEWING THE CITY'S QUARTERLY EXPENSE REPORTS.

I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WATCHING OR LISTENING TO GO AND REVIEW THOSE.

IF YOU WANT MORE INSIGHT INTO THE FINANCES AND EXPENSES OF THE CITY, THERE'S A CONVENIENT REPORT EVERY QUARTER THAT BREAKS OUT WHERE EVERY DOLLAR IS SPENT.

UH, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I CAME ACROSS THAT DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE LEVEL OF GRANULARITY I THINK WE NEED IS THE, UH, CAL CARD PURCHASES.

SO CAL CARD IS KIND OF A DISCRETIONARY SPENDING CREDIT CARD THAT EMPLOYEES GET, UH, TO MAKE PURCHASES IN THE COURSE OF OPERATIONS.

FISCAL YEAR 23 AND 24, THE PURCHASES TOTALED $991,000.

AND IN 24 25, IT WAS $1.35 MILLION.

NOW, I ASSUME THOSE ARE ALL ON BUDGETARY ITEMS FOR OPERATIONAL REASONS, BUT ON THIS REPORT, WE ARE SEEING PAYMENTS TO THOSE CREDIT CARDS, NOT THE EXPENSES THAT MAKE UP THOSE BALANCES, RIGHT? SO IT'S THE ONLY ITEM ON THERE THAT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW WHAT THE EXPENSE WAS, WAS FOR.

IT JUST SHOWS WE'RE PAYING A CARD OFF.

AND I THINK THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH WHERE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE REPORTS COULD BE MODIFIED, IF THERE COULD BE AN ATTACHMENT THAT SHOWS THOSE CALCAR SPENDING REPORTS.

UM, OR MAYBE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTARY ABOUT THE INTERNAL CONTROLS, HOW THOSE ARE MANAGED, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S KIND OF EMPLOYEE'S DISCRETION.

SO JUST WHAT THE CITY'S CONTROLS ARE ON THAT, AND IF ANY MORE DETAILS COULD BE OFFERED.

THANK YOU JODY KLEINSMITH TO BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY KATHY.

UH, FICO.

HI, MY NAME IS JODY KLEINSMITH AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RECENT CLOSURE OF KAVANAUGH POOL.

THE POOL'S AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR MANY OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY.

PARKS AND RECS HAVE CHOSEN TO CLOSE IT DURING THE WINTER WHEN OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ARE DIFFICULT.

FOR SOME MEAN, MANY OF THE SENIOR ATTENDEES HAVE HEALTH ISSUES THAT ARE GREATLY REDUCED WITH THE WARM WATER AT KAVANAUGH.

THEY HAVE ALSO MADE SWIMMING LESSONS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN UNAVAILABLE.

I KNOW MY KIDS WOULDN'T GO INTO THE COLDER WATER AT THE SWIM CENTER RISK ASSESSMENT.

PEOPLE FROM THE CITY'S LIABILITY INSURANCE CAME AND LOOKED AT THE POOL RECENTLY, AND THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT WE NEED AN EXTRA LIFEGUARD AT KAVANAUGH POLL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXTREMELY SMALL.

UM, LIZ EVERS, WHO HAS MANAGED THE POOL FOR 16 YEARS HAS HAD THE SAME LIABILITY INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

SHE'S BEEN TOLD RECENTLY THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW INSURANCE COVER COVERAGE THAT WOULD COST HER ABOUT $25,000

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MORE PER YEAR.

I WAS A CORPORATE CONTROLLER FOR MOST OF MY CAREER, RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING LIABILITY INSURANCE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS INSURANCE REGARDLESS AND WOULD GET BETTER RATES THAN AN INDIVIDUAL.

I'M WONDERING IF LIZ COULD KEEP HER CURRENT COVERAGE AND THE CITY COULD PURCHASE AN UMBRELLAS CUT POLICY AS WELL AS PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL LIFEGUARD, AND THEN WE COULD GET THE POOL BACK OPEN.

I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THAT LIZ DOES A FANTASTIC JOB AND I'M HEARTSICK ABOUT LOSING HER.

KATHY.

FICO.

KATHY FICO TO BE FOLLOWED BY THOMAS.

UH, JEFF BRADLEY.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS KATHY FICO.

I'M A LIFELONG PETALUMA RESIDENT, RETIRED NURSE.

WITH OVER 50 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN EMERGENCY AND COMMUNITY NURSING AND LEADERSHIP.

KAVANAUGH POOL HAS BEEN A PART OF MY LIFE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

WHAT OCCURS AT KAVANAUGH GOES FAR BEYOND EXERCISE.

IT'S A SAFE, ACCESSIBLE AND WELCOMING SPACE, ESPECIALLY FOR OLDER ADULTS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE MANAGING MEDICAL CONDITIONS.

IT SUPPORTS OUR PHYSICAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH, AND SOCIAL CONNECTION.

IT REDUCES ISOLATION AND BUILDS COMMUNITY.

FOR SOME, LIKE MY HUSBAND, IT'S THE ONLY FORM OF EXERCISE HE CAN DO DUE TO SPINAL STENOSIS.

LIKEWISE, FOR OTHERS WHO ARE RECUPERATING FROM FRACTURES, KNEE REPLACEMENTS, OSTEOARTHRITIS, OR FRAILTY, THAT IS WHY THE ABRUPT 48 HOUR NOTICE OF CLOSURE WITH NO EXPLANATION AND NO PRIOR ENGAGEMENT WITH US, THE COMMUNITY WAS TOTALLY WRONG AND DEEPLY DISTRESSING AND DISHEARTENING.

THE CITY KNEW AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR THAT IT PLANNED TO TAKE OVER ALL POLL.

IF THE CITY KNEW AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR, IT PLANNED TO TAKE OVER ALL POLL PROGRAMMING OPERATIONS.

I MUST ASK, WHY WASN'T A STAFFING PLAN ALREADY IN PLACE? WHY WASN'T ADDITIONAL STAFF RECRUITED OR REASSIGNED TO ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION? AND WHY DID THIS RESULT IN SUDDEN CLOSURE INSTEAD OF CONTINUITY? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AND HOW CAN WE BE INVOLVED IN DECISION MAKING? I ALSO WANNA BE CLEAR, THE WASHINGTON STREET SWIM CENTER IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION.

WE DO WATER AEROBICS, NOT LAP SWIMMING, AND ALL OF US REQUIRE WATER TEMPS ABOVE.

THANK YOU, ABOVE B THREE DEGREES.

SO, AND, AND, UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS THOMAS, JEFF BRADLEY, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY LINDA SPIEL.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JEFF BRADLEY.

I LIVE LOCALLY.

UM, I AM A PROUD PETAL WOMAN AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE KAVANAUGH CLOSURE TOO, WHICH HAPPENED SO SUDDENLY WITH SO LITTLE WARNING.

UM, THE POOL WAS CLOSED FRIDAY.

WE FOUND OUT WEDNESDAY, I BELIEVE.

UH, I HAD THE GREAT FORTUNE OF HAVING MY NOW 95-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.

TELL ME ABOUT IT.

WHEN I RETIRED AND I WAS HAVING HEALTH PROBLEMS, AS HAS BEEN SAID, IT IS SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST AN EXERCISE PROGRAM.

IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE COME TO THE POOL.

UM, BESIDES CHRISTINA'S EXERCISE CLASSES, WHICH WERE NOT WITHOUT EQUAL, UM, WHAT THEY CALL FREE, UH, SELF-GUIDED.

SO MUCH HAPPENS.

AND IT IS A VULNERABLE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GET TOGETHER, FRIENDSHIPS, HARDSHIPS, DEATH.

THE ALL THE PROBLEMS OF LIFE ARE MET IN THOSE WARM WATERS WITH WARM HEARTS.

IT'S WHAT PED LIMIT TALKS ABOUT WITH BLUE ZONES AND TRYING TO PROMOTE THE COMMUNITY WE WANT.

UM, I CAN'T BELIEVE A SOLUTION CAN'T BE FOUND.

EITHER THE INSURANCE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE BOUGHT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I THINK IT'S ABSURD, HAVING BEEN A LIFEGUARD MYSELF, THAT THIS SMALL POOL NEEDS A LIFEGUARD AND AN INSTRUCTOR.

I THINK IF THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S ASKING FOR THAT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANY.

UM, MANY PEOPLE WERE FEELING LOST AND ABANDONED.

I'M GLAD PARKS AND RICK DREW AND OTHERS CAME OUT ON FRIDAY, UH, DAY LATE, BUT CAME OUT AND MET PEOPLE AND TALKED TO THEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, I COULDN'T BE THERE.

SO I'M SAYING PLEASE FIND THE WILL TO FIND THE ANSWER.

AND DON'T CLOSE THIS POOL.

AND THE SWIM LESSONS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN THE TAUGHT PROGRAM AS WELL.

AND THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

LINDA.

FIELDS BE FOLLOWED BY JUDY RELL.

HI.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

AND I'M ANOTHER POOL LADY.

AND, UH, I WAS SHOCKED TO HAVE THE POOL BEING CLOSED AND I'VE BEEN GOING FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A LIFEGUARD THERE.

IT'S A SMALL POOL.

IT DOESN'T NEED TWO LIFEGUARDS.

THAT'S CRAZY.

AND I JUST, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND, AND GIVE IT BACK.

CHAIRMAN OF A COMMITTEE THAT STUDIES THESE THINGS.

JUDY SORELL TO BE FOLLOWED BY LUCY VITALE.

HI, MY NAME'S JUDY SSL.

I'M A RETIRED TEACHER, TAUGHT IN PETALUMA FOR 22 YEARS, AND I'M A REGULAR AT KAVANAUGH.

UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT BUCKETS.

UH, CHRIS , I'M NOT SURE HOW TO SAY HER LAST NAME.

YOU GOT IT.

BUT SHE'S A

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AND SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD, IN A, IN AN ARGUS CAREER ARTICLE, SAID THAT SHE, ONE OF HER GOALS IS THAT, UH, WE DON'T PUT ELDERS IN BUCKETS.

WE LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

WHAT DO THEY, WHAT ARE THEIR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS? AND I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THAT THE MANY OF US AT KAVANAUGH CANNOT GO TO THE COLDER POOL BECAUSE WE HAVE DOCTORS DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS THAT THE WARM WATER DOES NOT TRIGGER THEM, BUT THE COLD WATER DOES.

AND THAT MEANS THAT IF WE GO TO THE COLD, BIG POOL, COLDER, BIG POOL, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LESS HEALTHY, NOT MORE HEALTHY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL SO DEVASTATED.

WE NEED OUR WARMER POOL.

IT'S NOT A BIG POOL.

I KNOW IT COSTS TO HEAT IT, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY BIG POOL.

WE CAN'T HEAT THE BIG ONE THAT WAY.

SO THIS IS, UH, AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS, AND I HATE TO SEE IT SHUT DOWN EVEN TEMPORARILY.

OUR 95-YEAR-OLD WONDERFUL ANN COMES EVERY DAY.

SHE CAN'T GO TO THE BIG POOL.

IT WON'T WORK FOR HER.

LUCY.

VITALI SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY SHERRY MCCLENDON.

GREETINGS.

HELLO.

I'M GONNA SKIP THE BEGINNING SINCE I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS I EXPECTED TO HAVE.

BUT, UM, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE IN 2017 TO PETALUMA.

WE LOVE IT HERE.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE PETALUMA AS OUR NEW HOME, MOVING BACK TO THIS AREA AFTER BEING GONE FOR 30 YEARS, UH, WAS THIS LEGENDARY SWIMMING CULTURE HERE IN THIS TOWN.

AND THE BLUE ZONE, THE COOL BLOCK INITIATIVES, PETALUMA'S COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, CYCLING AND WALKABILITY, ALL THOSE THINGS.

YES, CAVANAUGH POOL, THE CHERRY ON TOP, AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM A PROUD PETALUMA CAVANAUGH POOL PEEP, AND I HAVE BEEN AN ENTHUSIASTIC PARTICIPANT AT THE KAVANAUGH POOL SINCE BEFORE MOVING HERE.

I'VE ENJOYED AEROBICS AND YOGA CLASSES IN THE POOL, AS WELL AS SELF-GUIDED EXERCISE AT THE MINIMUM OF THREE TIMES A WEEK FOR MANY YEARS, YEARS.

DURING THIS TIME, I'VE ALSO CULTIVATED FRIENDSHIPS WITH THE POOL PEEPS, OUR CHERISHED, IMPROMPTU SWIM CLUB.

I LIKE TO CALL THEM MY CAAS, TOO.

I CREDIT THOSE WARM HEALING WATERS TO HELPING ME DEAL WITH AN OLD KNEE INJURY AND SUBSEQUENT TOTAL JOINT REPLACEMENT.

THE REHAB IN THE WARM POOL WAS PART OF MY SUCCESS, AS WAS THE SUPPORT AND EMPATHY FROM OTHERS WHO HAD EXPERIENCED SIMILAR ISSUES.

LAST, AS A FORMER EDUCATOR, I MUST CHAMPION THE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING AT KAVANAUGH.

THE DISRUPTION TO THE TODDLER AND YOUTH LESSONS ALREADY FILLED AND INCLUDING A WAITING LIST IS UNACCEPTABLE.

COMPARING THOSE TWO POOLS IS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.

I BEG YOU TO RECONSIDER.

NOW, LET'S TALK COLLABORATION.

SHERRY MCCLENDON TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROGERS.

HI.

UM, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL.

I THINK THE BIGGEST PIECE I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE KAVANAUGH POOL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK RIGHT OVER HERE, IT'S SAYING THIS IS WHAT PET WHAT THE GOALS OF PETALUMA ARE.

I'VE LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS NOW.

BY THE WAY, THERE ARE USUALLY FOUR NURSES IN THAT POOL, FOUR RETIRED NURSES AT A TIME.

IT'S KIND OF HILARIOUS.

WE MAKE FUN OF IT.

ALSO, OF THOSE NURSES, TWO OF THEM, INCLUDING MYSELF, USED TO BE LIFEGUARDS.

SO THE WHOLE THING IS RATHER ABSURD.

PLEASE.

HOW DID THIS COME DOWN TO THREE DAYS? GET OUT OF THE POOL.

WHAT? I MEAN, I, I'M TALKING GREAT POWER HERE.

AT THIS POINT, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT BALD POWER FOR OUR LITTLE BABIES.

WHAT I MEAN, THIS IS TRULY ONE OF THE MOST ABSURD THINGS THAT PETALUMA HAS DONE, AND I ADORE PETALUMA.

BELIEVE ME, I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE MOVE HERE.

UM, IF WE WANT A BLUE ZONE AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT OUR ELDERS AND OUR YOUNGSTERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN PETALUMA, IT IS ABOUT NOT BEING ISOLATED.

IT IS ABOUT BEING HEALTHY, HAVING EXERCISE, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THIS POOL FOR TRULY NEXT TO NOTHING.

LESSONS BEING CANCELED AND NO SWIM LESSONS AT THE LARGER POOL, WE NO LONGER HAVE PUBLIC POOL SWIM LESSON OPTIONS FOR CHILDREN.

LET'S WORK ON COLLABORATION SO WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE POOL TOO, BUT I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT THE LOSS OF THE SWIM LESSONS FOR CHILDREN.

UM, WITH THE CHILDREN'S SWIM

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UM, NOT ALL FAMILIES ARE IN A POSITION TO, UM, TAKE PRIVATE LESSONS, JOIN A CLUB, OR HAVE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

SO FOR ME, IT'S REALLY AN EQUITY ISSUE IN TERMS OF WORKING FAMILIES, HAVING ACCESS TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ONLY A, UH, CHILDHOOD RITE OF PASSAGE, BUT A REALLY CRITICAL SKILL FOR OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO MASTER, TO BE WATER SAFE, AND TO CONTINUE IN THEIR, UM, DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, PETALUMA HAS, UH, HAD SWIM LESSONS AT THE KAVANAUGH CENTER FOR GENERATIONS.

MAYBE SOME OF YOUR KIDS LEARNED TO SWIM AT THE, THE, THE SWIM CENTER.

I KNOW MINE DID.

UM, AND MAYBE EVEN YOU YOUNGER COUNCIL PEOPLE LEARN TO SWIM THERE YOURSELVES.

UM, AND, UH, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS, IS A, IS A, IS A BIG LOSS AND AN UNACCEPTABLE TURN OF EVENTS.

UM, AND I REALLY HOPE SOMETHING CAN BE, UM, FIGURED OUT SO WE CAN BRING BACK THE SWIM LESSONS FOR OUR KIDS.

AND THAT, UH, CLOSES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I DO WANT TO THANK OUR SONOMA WATER REPS FOR, UH, UH, STAYING WITH US TO THIS.

AND, UM, WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED ON THAT, I THINK, UH, I THINK THERE ISN'T ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL DESK WHO DOESN'T KNOW THAT KAVANAUGH'S A REAL GEM IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY MANAGER IF, UH, SHE CAN SAY A FEW WORDS ADDRESSING THE KAVANAUGH CLOSURE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL, COMMUNITY AND STAFF.

UM, BEFORE I ASK DREW, UM, TO, TO SPEAK, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, THE CLOSURE OF THE POOL.

UM, WE RECOGNIZE, AND AS YOU'VE NOTED TONIGHT, THAT KAVANAUGH AND ITS PROGRAMS ARE DEEPLY VALUED BY OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS INTERRUPTION IS FRUSTRATING AND UPSETTING, UH, FOR THOSE WHO DEPEND ON THE FACILITY.

AND WE WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT DIRECT IMPACT, THE CLOSURE WAS DRIVEN BY ONE OVERRIDING CONCERN THAT WAS COMMUNITY SAFETY AND STAFF ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY, UM, TO EXPLORE SOLUTIONS.

UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE EFFORTS DIDN'T PRODUCE AN IMMEDIATE OR WORKABLE RESOLUTION WITH OUR CURRENT SERVICE PROVIDER.

UM, WE REALLY REGRET THE DISRUPTION OF THE CLOSURES CAUSED AND ARE WORKING REALLY QUICKLY TO REOPEN THE FACILITY.

UM, AND IN THE MEANTIME, OUR PARKS AND REC TEAM, AS DREW WILL, UH, TALK ABOUT WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF MY OFFICE AND OUR CITYWIDE TEAM, ARE ENSURING THAT EXISTING, UH, SWIM MEMBERSHIPS CLASSES, UM, ARE HONORED.

AND WHEREVER POSSIBLE CURRENT PROGRAMMING WILL BE ACCOMMODATED CURRENTLY AT THE PETALUMA SWIM CENTER, BUT VERY QUICKLY AT THE KAVANAUGH, UH, POOL STAFF WILL ALSO CONTINUE WORKING WITH, UM, THE KAVANAUGH PATRONS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEEDS DURING THIS TRANSITION.

WE ARE GRATEFUL TO, UH, LIZ AND FOREVER'S AQUATICS FOR RUNNING THESE PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES AND SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY DURING A TIME WHEN THE CITY WASN'T FINANCIALLY ABLE TO BRING THOSE SERVICES IN HOUSE.

UH, WE ARE ALSO GRATEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THESE PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES.

WE RECOGNIZE A COMMUNITY CONNECTION THAT OCCURS AT THESE FACILITIES, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE REOPEN KAVANAUGH, THAT THERE'S A REFRESH, UM, AND THEN OF CORRESPONDING, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE SORELY NEEDED, THAT FACILITY.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DREW, UM, TO ADD MORE DETAIL.

OUT THE WAY THAT I INTENDED IT TO.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, CITY MANAGER FLYNN.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR COMMUNITY.

AND I'LL KEEP KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT OUR KAVANAUGH COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY THAT I'LL HAVE MY BACK TO YOU MOST OF THE TIME.

BUT THANK YOU.

UH, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, A REALLY HARD WEEK, AND I KNOW WE WERE JUST, UM, SCRATCHING THE SURFACE WITH SOME OF YOUR TESTIMONIES HERE TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT THIS POOL MEANS TO YOU, UH, AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO, TO GET IT REOPENED, UH, IN A WAY THAT THAT BRINGS IT BACK TO, TO BE THE VALUE THAT YOU ALL SEE IN IT.

SO, I WAS TAKING SOME NOTES, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF RESPONSES, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL WHO HAVE ALSO HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

RIGHTFULLY SO.

I KNOW THERE WERE A FEW DETAILS SHARED LAST WEDNESDAY, AND THAT'S WHERE I WANNA START, IS JUST APOLOGIZE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, FOR THAT, UM, THE MESSAGING THAT INITIALLY WENT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DID NOT STRESS THAT THIS IS A TEMPORARY CLOSURE, DID NOT PROVIDE MUCH DETAILS ABOUT WHY.

UH, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS, I THINK, UM, UH, MAYBE A FEAR AMONG THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD, UH, WOULD TRANSITION AND THAT WOULD SOMEHOW MEAN CLOSURES NOT OPENING.

AND I WANTED TO START BY SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I OWN THAT AND, AND THIS DID NOT ROLL

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AND, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF REASONS WHY WE'RE HERE, BUT I DO WANNA FOCUS ON, UM, REASSURING YOU ALL OF OUR A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMITMENT TO REOPENING THE KAVANAUGH POOL.

UM, WE ARE NOT IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS AS, UH, AS SOMEONE WHO'S WORK IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, UM, WHO WORKS WITH OUR DEDICATED TEAM EVERY DAY.

WE, WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF CLOSING POOLS AND RESTRICTING ACCESS TO RECREATION.

AND WE FULLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE IT IS NOT JUST THE, THE PHYSICAL WELLBEING, UH, OF THE POOL.

IT, IT IS THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S THE SOCIAL CONNECTIONS.

IT'S ALL OF THE CULTURE THAT YOU HAVE HELPED CREATE TO MAKE KAVANAUGH WHAT IT IS.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING, IS TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO GO BACK THERE AND, AND HAVE THAT SPACE.

UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEING COMMITTED TO REOPENING KAVANAUGH POOL, UM, MAINTAINING THE ATMOSPHERE THAT YOU HAVE SET, NOT MAKING DRASTIC CHANGES, BUT SUSTAINING THE PROGRAM THAT EXISTS THERE.

NOW, THOSE ARE THE GOALS.

WE, UH, CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO.

WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TEMPORARY CLOSURE, UH, IN THE MATTER OF WEEKS, NOT MONTHS.

AND I KNOW IT WAS, UH, ABRUPT.

AND FOR THAT, AGAIN, UH, WE APOLOGIZE.

I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF, UM, POINTS THAT WE MADE.

UM, THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS HA HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, AGREEMENT WITH FOREVERS AQUATICS.

I THINK WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE ABILITY FOR THIRD PARTY OPERATORS TO OBTAIN THAT INSURANCE.

UM, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY OTHER REGIONS, ANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT MANAGE PUBLIC POOLS, ABLE TO DO THAT THROUGH A, THROUGH A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS.

SO OUR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, ARE, HAVE NOT CHANGED.

UM, BUT IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY HARD TO GET THAT INSURANCE.

AND WE ARE IN A, A, FORTUNATELY, IN A POSITION WHERE, WHERE OUR INSURANCE MODEL ALLOWS US TO ABSORB THAT ALONG A CONSORTIUM OF OTHER CITIES.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT'S A, THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THESE PROVIDERS.

THAT'S NOT WITHOUT AN EFFORT FROM LIZ.

AND THAT'S NOT, UM, ANYTHING THAT SHE'S DONE WITHOUT A TRYING TO, TO MAKE IT WORK.

UM, AND WE OF COURSE, DID NOT WANT TO CLOSE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE MAINTAIN ONE DEDICATED STAFF OF A LIFEGUARD WITH THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SURVEILLANCE AT THE POOL AT ALL TIMES.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

UM, WE WANNA KEEP THIS POOL OPEN.

AND, AND THE BEST WAY I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOLDING THAT REQUIREMENT SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP OUR INSURANCE, WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT POOL OPEN.

UM, WE UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW SILLY THAT SOUNDS WHEN YOU HAVE RNS IN THE POOL.

YOU'VE GOT DOCTORS AND NURSES THERE, UH, AND YOU HAVE CERTIFIED INSTRUCTORS THAT ARE ALSO TEACHING.

UM, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REOPEN THAT POOL AND SUSTAIN IT BEING OPEN THROUGH PERPETUITY.

UM, THIS IS ALSO A REALLY POOR WAY OF REINTRODUCING OUR STAFF TO THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE.

UH, WE'VE BEEN HAPPY BEING BEHIND THE SCENES.

SO THIS IS THE LAST WAY WE WANTED TO REINTRODUCE OURSELF TO YOU ALL.

SO WE ARE JUST HERE, UM, IF WE PUT NAMES BEHIND THE FACES, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE CAN'T GO BACKWARDS, UM, TO RE RE-MESSAGE AND, AND, AND ENGAGE YOU WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE.

UH, BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE, WE COMMIT TO MORE, UM, DIRECT DIALOGUE WITH YOU, UM, MORE READILY UPDATES, AND AGAIN, COMMITTING TO PHASED REOPENING IN THE MATTER OF WEEKS, NOT MONTHS, AND CONTINUE TO UPDATE YOU ON OUR PROGRESS AS WE GO.

SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

UM, AND, AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

UH, I HADN'T REALLY INTENDED TO OPEN IT TO QUESTIONS, BUT IF THERE, UH, AND I'M SURE THAT AS WE MOVE INTO COUNCIL COMMENTS, COUNSEL WILL, UH, OFFER THEIR THOUGHTS LOUDLY.

UM, SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING IN THE HOUSE AND APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.

AND I THINK ALL OF US LOOK FORWARD TO A RAPID REOPENING THIS CRITICAL PROGRAM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT UP FOR COUNCIL

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COMMENTS NOW.

UM, AND, UM, UM, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN LAX OVER TIME.

I KEEP SAYING WE SHOULD BE THREE MINUTES OF COUNCIL COMMENTS AS WE DEMAND OF THE PUBLIC, AND, AND WE ONLY GIVE THE PUBLIC 90 SECONDS.

BUT, SO, UM, FOR THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE TO SET THE CLOCK AND KEEP THE COUNCIL ON THEIR THREE MINUTE, UH, STRAIGHT AND TIDY HERE.

AND, UM, AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, UM, WITH, UH, ANY REPORT YOU HAVE OF THE PERIOD, UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.

FIRST OFF, UM, I AM, UH, PART OF THE PAMA WETLANDS ALLIANCE FOR OVER

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20 YEARS.

WE PROVIDE A LOT OF SERVICE TO THE CITY, UH, HELPING MAINTAIN SCHOENBERGER PARK.

UH, WE RECENTLY WENT OUT AND DID SOME CLEANUP OVER AT ELLIS CREEK, AND WE'RE WORK, UH, WE'VE DONE THE, UH, KIOSK AND, UH, I'M WORKING ON THE QR CODES FOR THE TRAIL, BUT, UH, BRINGS LOTS OF TOURISM.

IT'S A BURNING HOT SPOT, UH, AND, UH, LOTS OF FOLKS COME FOR TOURISM AND WALK AROUND TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO, UM, SO SORRY ABOUT, UH, SIX YEARS AGO WE WROTE A ALAMA WETLANDS FIELD GUIDE.

UM, AND IT JUST TURNS OUT, UH, THIS ONE'S HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THE THIRD EDITION HOT OFF THE PRESS AS OF THIS LAST WEEK.

AND SO I PROVIDED A COPY FOR EVERYONE UP HERE, BUT IT'S NOW GONNA BE AVAILABLE AT COPPER FIELDS AND OTHER PLACES HERE AROUND TOWN FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO BIRDING OUT THERE, OR, UH, IDENTIFY THE PLANTS.

OF COURSE, I, I, I ACTUALLY DID ALL THE PLANTS AND, UH, ALL MY PHOTOGRAPHS ARE IN HERE TOO.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M CO-AUTHOR BY THE WAY, TOO, THAT, THAT'S, SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, ANYWAY, UM, SO THAT'S JUST A RECENT THING ANYWAY, SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND GO OUT TO SCHOENBERGER PARK AND TAKE A WALK, UM, AND WITH YOUR FIELD GUIDE, OF COURSE.

ANYWAY, THE, UH, OTHER, THERE'S A COUPLE MEETINGS I ATTENDED THE, UM, UH, CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING TO EVERY OTHER MONTH MEETINGS, UM, AND THEN GONNA BE DOING LOTS OF ADVOCACY TO SUPPORT ALL, ALL WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN MOTION.

I ALSO ATTENDED THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY MEETING, AND NOT A WHOLE LOT OF EVENTS THERE, BUT THAT JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.

UH, AT THE TREES MEETING, I WENT AND VISITED THAT, UH, URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN IS ON ITS WAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HIGH GOALS, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE A BIT LOOSE.

AND SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT.

COMING DOWN THE LINE.

WE NEED A NEW TECHNICAL MANUAL, AND LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE LOLLY POPPING OF TREES AROUND TOWN.

LOTS OF HAPPENING.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

I'LL TALK, UH, TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

UM, AND THEN I'LL BE ATTENDING ON SATURDAY, UM, A CONFERENCE AT UC DAVIS ON THE, UM, UH, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION LEAGUE.

ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK, UM, WANTS TO ASK ME A QUESTION OR ASK THEM A QUESTION, I CAN CARRY THE QUESTION AND BRING IT BACK ON THAT.

AND WITH THAT, I'M DONE AHEAD OF TIME, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT.

UH, I WANNA JUST EXPRESS MY THANKS FOR THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT TONIGHT AND ADVOCATING FOR THE KAVANAUGH POOL, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THAT REOPENED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I ALSO ATTENDED THE, UH, THE LATEST TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE WE RECEIVED A, UM, A PRESENTATION ON, UH, SERVICE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, SERVICE ADJUSTMENT OPTIONS, UH, TO, UM, TO ADDRESS THE UPCOMING BUDGET SHORTFALL THAT'S EXPECTED IN THE COMING BUDGET.

UM, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, THERE'LL BE, I BELIEVE FEBRUARY WILL BE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

SO, UH, IF, IF IT'S A TOPIC THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, PAY ATTENTION.

UH, I WANNA OFFER, I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT, UH, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE EVENTS THAT HAVE UNFOLDED IN MINNEAPOLIS OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, AND JUST RECOGNIZE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, I WANNA BEGIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS POSITIVE NOTE, UH, ON OUR COMMUNITY, ON OUR COMMUNITY'S PUBLIC SAFETY, I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE PROFESSIONALISM, THE RESPECT AND COMMITMENT THAT OUR PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT BRINGS TO THEIR WORK.

UH, PPD EXEMPLIFIES COMMUNITY CENTERED POLICING THAT PRIORITIZES BOTH SAFETY AND DIGNITY.

I WAS HONORED TO ATTEND A RECENT SWEARING IN CEREMONY FOR A NEW PEACE OFFICER, A NEW COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER, AND A NEW DISPATCHER.

ALL THREE OF THESE, UM, NEW AND EMPLOYEES, OUR GRADUATES OF CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS A TESTAMENT TO THE VALUE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT PLACES ON THIS COMMUNITY AND HOMEGROWN TALENT.

THIS KIND OF RECRUITMENT SERVICE REFLECTS WELL ON PETALUMA AND HELPS BUILD TRUST BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND RESIDENTS.

AND I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE OFFICERS, THE STAFF, AND THE VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK EVERY DAY TO KEEP OUR CITY SAFE.

THE PET POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS BEHIND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF MEMBERS WHO KEEP US SAFE DAILY.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

NOW, UM, THANK YOU TO ALL THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT TO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL OR EMAIL ME TO FURTHER DISCUSS YOUR CONCERNS.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TO BEING HERE TONIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS OF A LIMITED TIME AT THE PODIUM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND YOU'RE TELLING OF THESE PERSONAL STORIES.

I KNOW MANY HAVE LEFT, BUT IT TOUCHES MY HEART BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE LOVE PETALUMA SO MUCH.

IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, I HAVE MADE TIME TO MEET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN PERSON, LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE IN PETALUMA.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEWLY SWORN IN POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS.

I ATTENDED THE BADGE CEREMONY ALONG WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT LAST WEEK.

IT'S ALWAYS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIENDS, AND

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EVERY TWO YEARS DURING THE LAST 10 DAYS OF JANUARY, COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY CONDUCT A POINT IN TIME COUNT TO MEASURE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THEIR AREA.

THE PIT COUNT PROVIDES AN ONLY A NATIONAL WIDE SNAPSHOT OF BOTH SHELTERED AND UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.

LOCAL PIT COUNTS WILL TAKE PLACE ON FRIDAY MORNING AT COTS.

THIS EFFORT IS REQUIRED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING URBAN DEVELOPMENT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS HUD, FOR ALL COMMUNITIES THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT HOUSING AND SERVICES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

BY VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS PIT COUNT, I WILL GATHER VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT HIGHLIGHTS LOCAL NEEDS AND SUPPORT EFFORTS TO IMPROVE HOUSING AND SERVICE AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTY.

THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY OUTTA MY COMFORT ZONE AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, BUT IT'S SO NEEDED TO GET THE CORRECT COUNT ON OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION.

THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH ALREADY ABOUT, THANKS TO OUR MAYOR AND FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, DENNIS POKAY ABOUT OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THIS YEAR WILL BE CHALLENGING FOR FUNDING, FUNDING, BUT TOGETHER IN THE COUNTY COALITION, WE ARE DETERMINED TO FIND SOLUTIONS.

IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND IT'S ABHORRENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT.

UM, I AGREE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE TIMING IS TERRIBLE, AND WE, UM, WE DO MAKE MISTAKES AND I'M, UH, I'M HOPEFUL.

I'M CERTAIN THAT WE WILL, UM, TAKE THE STEPS WE NEED TO, TO REOPEN THE POOL BECAUSE, UM, OF COURSE, WE, WE KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RECREATIONAL, THE EXERCISE, THE SOCIAL, ALL OF THAT.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN AGING POPULATION.

AND, UM, PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT RESOURCES LIKE THE POOL ARE, UM, REMAIN OPEN AND REMAIN A RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT AND SPEAKING UP.

AND, UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY, UM, SUPPORT IT, UM, AND THAT I, UM, I KNOW OUR STAFF DOES.

AND I, UM, FULLY TRUST THAT, UH, OUR STAFF ARE GONNA DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO REOPEN IT AS FAST AS CAN.

UM, I ALSO WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TONIGHT TO JUST SPEAK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, IT'S, UH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN MINNESOTA IS A BLUEPRINT FOR WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE ELSEWHERE.

UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT AS, UM, A WARNING SIGN IN AS IN A BLUEPRINT FOR HOW WE CAN PREPARE.

UM, WE WERE ALARMED WHEN THE CAMPAIGN, UH, PROMISED MASS DEPORTATIONS.

UM, AND ALTHOUGH THEY FRAMED IT AS THE WORST OF THE WORST, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IS VERY DIFFERENT.

UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN IS ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABOUT QUOTAS, INTIMIDATION, AND RHETORIC.

FARMS, JOBS, SITES, SCHOOLS, PLACES OF WORSHIPS, AND EVEN HOMES ARE NO LONGER SAFE.

PEOPLE ARE BEING DETAINED WITHOUT PROPER WARRANTS AND DEPORTED WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.

NOW.

WE'RE WITNESSING US CITIZENS BEING KILLED IN FEDER BY FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, FOLLOWED BY OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COVERING FOR THEM.

THIS IS HOW CIVIL RIGHTS ERODE, NOT ALL AT ONCE, BUT STEP BY STEP.

HISTORY SHOWS US WHEN HAPPENS, WHEN WE WAIT TOO LONG TO ACT.

I FEAR THAT AS A MATTER, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE PETALUMA IS ON THE LIST OF PLACES WHERE ISIS GONNA BE.

I WANT TO BE SURE THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY LOOKS INTO LAWS, UH, STRENGTHENING OUR LAWS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE LEGAL BACKING TO, UM, TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS AFTER.

I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA STOP ANYTHING, UM, HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE.

ANYONE WHO'S INVOLVED IN THIS STUFF, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEEK CIVIL PENALTIES, UM, FOR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN.

UM, AND I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WE ALL START LOOKING TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY NETWORKS AND THE DECENTRALIZED, UH, RESOURCE AND MUTUAL AID THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT IN THE, UM, IN MINNESOTA RIGHT NOW.

UM, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO START LOOKING AT, UM, THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE DOING THIS.

I'M NOT GONNA NAME 'EM RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AROUND AND FIND THEM BECAUSE, UM, WHEN THIS COMES HERE, WE'RE ALL NEED, GONNA NEED TO STEP UP AND BE, UM, AS PASSIONATE AS WE ARE ABOUT THIS POOL IN SUPPORT OF OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND THE RULE OF LAW.

AND I HOPE THAT WE ALL STEP UP, UM, IN THIS TIME, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY UNTIL IT GOES AWAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND COUNCILMAN BARNACLE.

I APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU STATED ON THAT.

AND FOR ME, THIS IS LIKE 1933 GERMANY.

UM, AND THE ROUND SHIRTS CAME IN.

THEY CAME IN AND JUST BEAT PEOPLE UP.

AND THIS WAS MY FAMILY, MY GREAT-GRANDPARENTS ON BOTH SIDES, MY AUNTS, UNCLES, COUSINS.

THEY NEVER MADE IT BACK TO THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE

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THEY WERE ALL MURDERED.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY TODAY.

THIS IS A REPLICA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND IT CAN HA HAPPEN IN PETALUMA.

AND I'M VERY CONCERNED, UM, THAT OUR POLICE CAN DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO STEP ASIDE FOR THESE THUGS COMING IN.

THIS IS NOT POLICING, AND IT'S VERY DISTURBING.

UM, THE BLUEPRINT STARTED A LONG TIME AGO, AND WE ARE HERE, AND I PERSONALLY AM NOT SURPRISED AT WHAT I'M SEEING, BUT I'M HORRIFIED BY IT.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO TO THE KAVANAUGH POOL, , UM, THE KAVANAUGH'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE, UM, I DO RECOGNIZE YOUR FACES, BUT YOU'D LOOK DIFFERENT BECAUSE USUALLY WE ALL HAVE SWIMSUITS ON WHEN WE'RE AT KAVANAUGH, AND IT'S NOT PRETTY.

AND WELL, IT'S NOT PRETTY.

AND CHANTEL, I ACTUALLY TOOK MY FIRST SWIM LESSONS AT KAVANAUGH POOL, AND, AND MY HUSBAND IS A LIFEGUARD THERE.

AND SO HE'S, YOU KNOW, THE SELF GUIDANCE IS THERE BECAUSE JERRY IS THERE ALL THE TIME PLAYING HIS MUSIC.

AS KATHY, YOU KNOW, WROTE TO ME AND SAID, UM, THIS IS A FAMILY.

AND PEOPLE COME BECAUSE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE THERE.

UM, THEY LIKE EACH OTHER.

AND AFTER THEY GET OUT OF THE POOL, I MEAN, PEOPLE JUST SIT AROUND AND ACTUALLY CHAT AND THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S OKAY.

KINDA LIKE OUR MOBILE HOME PARK FRIENDS.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ACTIVITY.

UM, I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT HAPPENED.

PROBABLY THE MOST DISAPPOINTED UP HERE.

I FEEL AS THOUGH THIS SHOULD HAVE, THE WAY THIS CAME DOWN WAS REALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

AND TODAY IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

I THINK THE POOL SHOULD BE OPEN UNLESS WE HAVE A REAL TIMEFRAME.

IS IT GONNA BE OPENED IN TWO WEEKS? I WANNA KNOW WHEN THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF LIFEGUARDS TO OPEN THAT POOL TOMORROW.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY THAT WAS WORKING THERE WOULD STEP UP AND WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT POOL WAS OPEN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN OF WHAT IS THE PLAN.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

AND SO MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WE NEED TO GO BACKWARDS.

WE NEED TO REOPEN THAT POOL, AND WE NEED TO RESPECT, UM, WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING.

UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO TO THE BIG POOL BECAUSE IT IS WAY TOO COLD.

THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT AN OLDER BODY LIKES, AND IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

AND I'M NOT, I'M, I'M GOING FOR MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT WE, WE NEED AN ANSWER.

THIS WAS, THIS WAS A REAL FAILURE.

UM, AND IT FAILED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SO I'D LIKE AN ANSWER.

I'M NOT GONNA GET ONE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PULL OPEN AND THEN RESTART AND HAVE AN ACTUAL PLAN.

BECAUSE I THINK THE PLAN WAS THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE CHANGES.

PEOPLE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE CHANGES.

UM, AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE TIMEFRAME OF THOSE CHANGES.

AND THAT WAS IN LIKE SUMMER, I BELIEVE COULD HAVE BEEN FALL, I MEAN EARLY, UM, IN THE SPRING, BUT WHATEVER THE TIMEFRAME WAS THAT THIS IS NOT IT.

AND SO I'M REALLY SUGGESTING THAT WE REOPEN THIS AND GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH A PLAN TO CLOSE IT.

SO THE CITY'S GONNA TAKE OVER OR WHATEVER THE PLAN IS, BUT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE PLAN.

AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

UM, AND I DO WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME AND SPOKE.

UM, BEEN THERE MANY TIMES WITH ALL OF YOU.

AND WE ARE A FAMILY, JUST LIKE I SAY, OUR MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND I'M NOT DONE.

UM, I WAS AT, UM, THIS, UH, LAST WEEK IN SACRAMENTO AT LEAGUE, CALIFORNIA CITIES CONFERENCE, AND I'M ON THE CAL CITIES COMMUNITY SERVICE POLICY COMMITTEE.

AND THE HOT TOPIC WAS AI.

AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND AI, HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS WITHIN THE CITY.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, IT, IT GOES SO MANY DIFFERENT LAYERS, AND IT'S REALLY TO PROTECT US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, FROM NOT, UM, USING DEVICES THAT HAVE AI HOOKED UP TO IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH TO THIS.

UM, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT, BUT I LEARNED A LOT AT THIS CONFERENCE IN MARCH, WE'LL BE HAVING, RIGHT, WRAPPING IT UP, ANOTHER POLICY COMMITTEE DISCUSSING MORE ABOUT THIS.

BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER ISSUES COMING UP WITH, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY MEETING AND JUST THE COST OF PG E AND WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING WITH SOLAR.

AND THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW, AND I'M NOT QUITE DONE, KEVIN.

SORRY, .

WE'RE GONNA TRY A NEW POLICY THIS YEAR, RIGHT? WELL, YOU MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER POLICY, BUT KAVANAUGH CAME UP AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, THAT I HAD AN EVENT AT MY HOME FOR CONGRESSMAN MIKE THOMPSON BECAUSE THE EAST

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SIDE THAT IS NOW HIS DISTRICT, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES AND 54 PEOPLE CAME, IT WAS A, IT WAS A GOOD ATTENDANCE, BUT, UM, MY HOUSE IS SMALL, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DID, UM, COME AND LISTEN TO HIM.

AND, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE CHANGES.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME.

OKAY, VICE MAYOR DI CARLY.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I HAVE NO LIAISON APPOINT, UM, NO LIAISON REPORTS TONIGHT.

UM, OUR LAST PARTS AND REC MEETING GOT CANCELED FOR JANUARY.

AND SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I HAD, UH, LAST FRIDAY ATTENDED NATIVE SONS PLANT AND STEW FEED.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL EVENT, COMMUNITY EVENT THAT HELPED RAISE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR CHILDREN WITH CLEFT PALATES.

THEY DO THAT EVERY YEAR, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

SO THAT'S A REALLY GREAT COMMUNITY THING TO HELP CHILDREN.

AND SO NOW I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PETALUMA PEEPS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM LAST WEEK.

AND THANK YOU FOR LOANING ME THE HAT.

I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU ALL.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THAT SO MANY OF YOU COME TONIGHT TO SPEAK AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

YOU KNOW, UM, I MUST SAY THAT I'M SORRY FOR WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU ALL.

THIS WAS NOT ANY OF YOUR FAULT YET.

YOU WERE THE ONES THAT SUFFERED FROM THE DECISIONS MADE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT YOU'D BE THE FALL.

I DREW THE CLOSURE OF THE POOL CAME AS A BIG SURPRISE TO ME LAST WEEK AS I WAS FIRST MADE AWARE OF IT BY THE COMMUNITY.

I'M CONCERNED, AND I BELIEVE ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE AS WELL, ABOUT THE ABRUPT DECISION MADE AND HOW VITAL THE POOL IS TO ALL OF YOU.

NOT ONLY BECAUSE YOUR FELLOW SWIMMERS OR YOUR FAMILY, BUT ALSO SWIMMING IN SERVICES THAT WERE OFFERED ARE ESSENTIAL TO YOUR HEALTH AND WELLBEING.

WE SHOULD BE BUILDING TRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

INSTEAD, WE HAVE A ROOM OF ROOM FULL OF UNDERSTANDABLY UPSET AND FRUSTRATED AND HURT RESIDENTS.

I DON'T FIND THE SUDDEN CLOSURE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS DONE ACCEPTABLE.

THIS MAKES US LOOK BAD AS THE CITY AND BREAKS THAT ESSENTIAL TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THIS WAS ALL PREVENTABLE.

HOWEVER, THE CITY NOW HAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY RESTORE THE USE OF THE POOL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT TO ALSO SEE TO IT THAT THE PETALUMA PEEPS, THAT ALL THE PETALUMA PEEPS WITH SPECIAL MEDICAL NEEDS, UM, THAT NEED TO KEEP SWIMMING DURING THE WEEK ARE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE INTERIM.

BARN'S POINTS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL UM, ALL THE ACTIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING NATIONALLY AND HOW EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS NATIONALLY HAPPENS IN PETALUMA, EITHER FIRST OR SOONER OR LATER.

UM, I ALSO, UH, WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND SPEAKING ON THE KAVANAUGH ISSUE.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD, UM, A STRONG CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT A SOLUTION HERE.

UM, I, I DO WANNA APPRECIATE THAT STAFF HAS OWNED THE COMMUNICATION PROBLEM, UH, THAT EXISTED.

AND, UH, AND NOW I, I THINK I'M HEARING A GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE OWNING THE RESTORATION AND FIX FOR THE POOL.

SO, UH, AND, AND STAFFING TO GET IT BACK OPEN FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT.

UM, I'M ALSO TRULY TOUCHED BY ALL THE VETERANS FOR PEACE WHO, UH, CAME TONIGHT.

UH, GET EVERY PEACE POLL INSTALLATION THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

UH, I CONTINUE TO BE MOVED BY THE EXPERIENCES, THEIR MEMORIES OF WAR, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN AND HEAR, UM, ALL THOSE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM.

SO A BIG THANKS TO THEM.

UH, LAST MONDAY, THERE WAS NO COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON THE, UH, THIS, THIS WEEK'S CYCLE.

AND IT WAS IN HONOR AND IN RESPECT OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY.

HOWEVER, UM, I RECEIVED MANY MESSAGES OF HOW INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS CHOSE TO CELEBRATE.

AND MOST IMPRESSIVE FOR THOSE WHO CHOSE TO GET OUT AND DO WORK PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE, WHETHER THEY WERE VOLUNTEERING AT COTS OR CLEANING UP ON THE RIVER, IT'S THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY EFFORT THAT MAKES PETALUMA WHAT THE SPECIAL PLACE THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE.

UM, I ATTENDED SEVERAL, UH, BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS MEETINGS TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS IN THIS PAST TWO WEEKS.

I MET WITH INTERFAITH GROUPS TO, UH, DISCUSS COMMUNITY BUILDING AND THE BENEFITS THAT BRINGS TO ALL OF US.

AND I MET WITH THE INTERNS THAT ARE HERE IN TOWN FROM AMERICORPS.

UM, AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER NOW MET WITH OTHER MAYORS AND ELECTED AROUND FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY TO SEE HOW WE CAN BETTER ORGANIZE AND BETTER, UH, UH, SOLUTIONS IN THE HOMELESSNESS, UH, UH, SECTOR.

'CAUSE THAT'S SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM, THOUGH.

IT WAS DOWN 20% OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE'D SEE IT'S ALREADY RISING IN THIS POINT IN TIME COUNT THAT SHE'S PARTICIPATING IN IS, UH, IS A CRITICAL EFFORT IS.

AND THEN JUST JUST ONE, ONE MORE NOTE.

UH, WE ARE NOW CURRENTLY TAKING APPLICATIONS, UH, AT THE CITY FOR ALL OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, OR A VARIETY OF 'EM, WHICH HA HAVE, UH, OPENINGS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND YOU CAN GET, OF COURSE, GET FORMS FROM OUR CLERK, OR I BELIEVE WE HAVE 'EM IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM EVEN TONIGHT, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING ON ONE OF THE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSION IS THAT HAS OPENINGS HERE TONIGHT.

SO, UM, I'M THINKING THE CITY MANAGER IS OUR NEXT REPORT UP.

IS THERE ANY WE'RE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT FRONT.

UM, I, UH, AND I HAD, I'M SORRY.

ONE OTHER NOTE, I I DO WANNA APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER

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AND SO, UM, THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE CRITICAL.

AND, UH, LOCALLY WE HAVE, UH, NORTH BAY RAPID RESPONSE, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY BECOME FAMILIAR WITH WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY SUPPORT IN THIS TIMES.

AND THEN I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT I ADMIRE THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR'S LEADERSHIP.

THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF CRISIS ANY OF US WANTS, THRUST ON THEM.

AND, AND, UH, WE QUESTION HOW WOULD WE STAND IN THE FACE OF SUCH ACTIONS.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING.

MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING.

AND, UM, SO THAT GIVES US A LITTLE CHANCE TO, UM, STRETCH LEGS FOR THOSE WHO ARE HEADING OUT.

YOU WANT SOME? WOULD YOU LIKE SOME WATER? ALL RIGHT, THE CONSENT

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CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, AND, UM, FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, AS WE START, UH, THE DISCUSSION HERE, EIGHT ITEMS ON, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY MANAGER TO, UM, UM, BRIAN COCHRAN TO MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING, UM, ITEM EIGHT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, UH, WANTED TO DO A QUICK VERBAL REPORT OUT ON THE CHANGES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED FOR UNIT EIGHT.

UNDER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA.

UH, JUST SO THAT WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT REQUIRES US TO DO SUCH REPORT OUTS.

VERY LITTLE IS CHANGING IN THIS COMPENSATION PLAN.

UM, JUST FOR CLARITY, OUR UNIT EIGHT STAFF ARE ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AS WELL AS OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS.

SO THAT'S THE UNIVERSE OF EMPLOYEES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE ONLY CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE TO EXTEND THE COMPENSATION PLAN FOR ONE ADDITIONAL FISCAL YEAR.

SO IT WOULD BE RUNNING THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2027.

THERE IS A 0% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT PROPOSED.

SO ESSENTIALLY NO COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT PROPOSED.

UH, AND OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE A FEW, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP WORDING CHANGES, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO CHANGES PROPOSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INPUT.

AND THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO LOOK 'EM DOWN THE DIOCESE AND SEE IF ANY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS ANY ITEM THEY NEED TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT IN TOTAL.

I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM THREE.

WELL, LET'S, UM, LET'S DO QUESTIONS NEXT.

NOT SEEING ANY ITEM BEING TAKEN SEPARATELY.

UM, THEN, UM, LET'S HAVE COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR IN TOTAL, AND I'LL, UH, START WITH OUR VICE MAYOR.

WE ARE GOING ALL ELECTRIC THAT IT AT COST.

SO IN, IN LOOKING AT THE REPORT FOR ITEM THREE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS WHAT WAS APPROVED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NOW PROPOSED, UM, THERE'S A MASSIVE INCREASE IN COST THERE.

AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ADMIN GOING FROM 5,000 TO 150,000, UH, PLANNING GOING FROM 600,000 TO A MILLION, AND THEN CONTINGENCY COSTS, UM, EXCEEDING AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS.

AND SO I'M WONDERING FROM WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, WHAT HAS NOW CHANGED AND WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? DO WE HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE TO, UM, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS? HI, UH, PAUL GAGAN, UH, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH CIP.

UM, SO INITIALLY THE PREVIOUS BUDGET WAS A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE.

UH, THE PLANS FOR THE PROJECT WEREN'T FULLY DEVELOPED.

WE DIDN'T, WE HAD A, WHAT WE CALL A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THE COST IS.

WE HAVE TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND ASSUME WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY COMPLETED THE PLANS OF, OF WHAT THEY ARE.

AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES IN THE PROJECT SCOPE.

UH, THE PROJECT IS GOING ALL ELECTRIC.

THAT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON.

UH, WHILE WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH IT, WE LEARNED THAT, UH, WE HAD TO UPGRADE THE WHOLE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IN ANY CASE, AND

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BUT, UH, ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS THE CONTINGENCY NUMBER.

AND WHAT THAT EQUATES TO IS, UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING.

IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

THERE'S A LOT OF ASBESTOS AND LEAD IN THE BUILDING.

WE'RE VERY LIMITED WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR DESTRUCTIVE TESTING OF WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY OPEN UP.

IT'S AN ACTIVE FOREST STATION WITH PEOPLE WORKING THERE.

WHEN WE BREAK OPEN A WALL THAT HAS LEAD THAT'S, THAT'S BAD FOR THE AREA TO, YOU KNOW, THE ASBESTOS CAN GET INTO THE, INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE FIREFIGHTERS FROM THAT.

SO, UM, BASICALLY WE CAN ONLY DO VERY SMALL AMOUNTS OF TESTING.

SO WE'RE LIMITED TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THOSE FINISHED SURFACES.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS MAKE A BUCKET OF MONEY AVAILABLE THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION, IF WE RUN INTO THESE ISSUES, WE CAN PULL FROM IT INSTEAD OF THE PROJECT RUNNING OUT OF MONEY, US HALTING HALFWAY THROUGH, AND THEN HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND TRY AND GET MORE MONEY APPROPRIATED TO FINISH A PROJECT.

ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO HAVE A BUCKET OF MONEY HERE THAT WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO SPEND, BUT IF WE HAVE TO, IT'S READILY AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN PULL FROM IT AND KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

SO THAT'S THE BIG INCREASE ON THE, UH, CONTINGENCY SIDE OF THINGS.

SO IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY ALONG, AT LEAST THE CONTINGENCY PART OF IT IS PRIMARILY ALONG THE LINES OF ASBESTOS.

UH, ASBESTOS IS A BIG ONE, UH, ASBESTOS AND LEAD, BUT IT'S ALSO A BUILDING THAT IS A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

UM, LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE PULL DOWN SOME FINISHES THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REMOVE.

'CAUSE LIKE I SAY, IT'S AN ACTIVE, UH, BUILDING.

WE MAY FIND DRY ROT IN SOME STRUCTURAL BEAMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT CAN BE VERY, A VERY EXPENSIVE OPERATION TO RUN NEW, NEW STEEL GIRDERS ACROSS A BUILDING.

WELL, UH, SUPPORTING AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S A HUGE COST INCREASE.

UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SEE PROBLEMS WITH THE FOOTINGS, THE FOUNDATION, THESE COULD BE ALL GIGANTIC PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

UM, SO THE SMART THING TO DO IS TO PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE IN A BUCKET AND NOT SAY WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY JUST TO HAVE IT SITTING THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER.

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT IF WE DO, IT'S THERE AND IT'S AVAILABLE AND WE CAN KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

AND, UM, WHERE DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT WHERE IT'S, IT'S, UH, ABOUT 1.6, $1.7 MILLION, WHERE IT'S GONNA COME FROM? UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE FORMULA QUESTION.

DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SO WE HAVE JUST, UH, STARTED OUR CIP PLANNING FOR 26 27.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS GONNA SPAN MULTIPLE FISCAL YEARS, UH, BUT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED MEASURE H REVENUES AS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL COVER THAT GAP.

UH, SO THAT THAT WILL BE LIKELY, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IT WILL LIKELY BE THE MAIN SOURCE THAT WILL BE COVERING THAT INITIAL, UH, CONTINGENCY THAT, UH, THAT PAUL JUST EXPLAINED.

AND MEASURE H IS THE, THE NEW DEDICATED TAX FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL SIMILAR, UM, FUNDING SOURCE THAT WILL BE USED FOR A PORTION OF THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

AND IT, IT DID MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING DONE ALONGSIDE THE MID-YEAR BUDGET UPDATE.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET.

AND SO, I MEAN, A STAFF CONFIDENT THAT THIS WILL WORK.

AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ONLY A, A PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO LAND IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

SO WHEN WE BRING THOSE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, WE'LL TRUE UP THE PROJECT BUDGETING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE SPENT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, AS WE BRING THE CIP, UH, WORKSHOP AND THE CIP BUDGETING FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THAT WILL BE SYNCED UP WITH THE REMAINING PROJECT EXPENSES THAT WILL FALL, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR.

CAN I JUST ADD A LITTLE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE? IS, IS THE PROJECT, UH, GONNA GO INTO A THIRD FISCAL YEAR AS WELL? OR DOES THE CONTRACT COMPLETE IN, IN THE NEXT, IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR? IT'S A, IT'S A 12, UH, A 12 MONTH CONTRACT.

THAT'S THE PERIOD WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO, UH, WE SHOULD, THE TARGET IS TO BE COMPLETE IN, UH, MARCH, 2027.

DO YOU LIKE SEEING THINGS COMPLETE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

SOME INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT'S FOR WHICH WE'RE NOT GIVING GIVEN MUCH IN THE WAY OF SPECIFICS REGARDING PAST MID-STATE PROJECTS AND IN PARTICULAR, UM, PREVAILING WAGE COMPLIANCE.

OTHER QUE ON THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR? COMM BARNACLE? I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, WE RECEIVED A LETTER AND THEN WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE.

THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE.

HAVE WE LOOKED INTO VERIFY THE, THE CLAIMS FROM BOTH PARTIES IN THE, IN THE LETTER? UM, SO WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH STAFF AND REVIEWED THE CORRESPONDENCE, UM, AND BASED ON THAT REVIEW, WHICH WE ONLY HAD TIME TO DO TODAY, UM, I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE, UM, LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM LOCAL 7 51 THAT, UM, F FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT A BID PROTEST, IT WOULDN'T BE TIMELY, AND THE LOCAL DOESN'T HAVE STANDING TO SUBMIT ONE.

IT REALLY SEEMS TO BE FOCUSED AT, UM, RAISE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT MID STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY BASED ON, UM,

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THEN WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM MID-STATE, UM, UM, ARGUING THAT THERE, THAT THAT, THAT THERE'S NO PENDING ISSUES FOR THEM WITH RESPECT TO, UM, PREVAILING WAGE COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, DISBARRED BECAUSE, UM, STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THAT TO CONFIRM.

AND ALSO THERE'S SOME INFORMATION MID-STATE PROVIDED ABOUT THEIR, WHAT'S WHAT'S REFERRED TO YOU AS THEIR EX MOD OR THEIR, THEIR, UM, CLAIM EXPERIENCE OR HISTORY, UM, THAT THEY PROVIDED.

AND SO THEY, THEY INSIST IN, IN THEIR CORRESPONDENCE THAT THEY, THERE IS NO RESPONSIBILITY ISSUES WITH RESPECT, WITH RESPECT TO MID-STATE, UM, AND THEIR ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THE PROJECT.

WHAT I CAN TELL THE COUNCIL, UM, IN TERMS OF PROCEDURES THAT APPLY TO AWARD OF A PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACT LIKE THIS IS, UM, SINCE THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A BID PROTEST, UM, AND DOESN'T COME FROM A ENTITY THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, UM, ELIGIBLE TO PROVIDE ONE.

UM, AND SINCE THIS IS A PROJECT SUBJECT TO COMPETITIVE BIDDING ON VERY CHARTER AND ALSO STATE LAW, UM, AND STAFF HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE MID-STATE BID IS THE, UM, LOWEST RESPONSIVE BID.

AND SINCE WE HAVE NO, INCLUDING THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY, THERE'S NO, UM, UM, ACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT MID-STATE IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR.

UM, THE COUNCIL'S OPTIONS, UM, IF THEY'RE TO AWARD THIS PROJECT ARE TO AWARD IT TO MID-STATE OR TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND REBID THE PROJECT.

AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF IMPLICATIONS THAT HAS, UM, FOR THE PROJECT AND ALSO, UM, THEN MUCH NEEDED, UM, SEISMIC AND OTHER SAFETY UPGRADES IN THE, IN THE FACILITY.

UM, SO, UM, THERE IS A PROCEDURE UNDER THE LAW, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY RECENTLY BROUGHT, UM, UM, LOCAL REGULATIONS TO, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD STREAMLINE AND, UM, MAKE MORE TRANSPARENT, UM, THOSE PROCEDURES, UM, FOR DETERMINING WHETHER A, UM, A, A BIDDER ON THE CITY PROJECT MAY BE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PURPOSES OF RECEIVING THE AWARD.

UM, BUT THAT REQUIRES A HEARING UNDER THE STATE LAW AND ALSO UNDER THE REGULATIONS WE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY ASKED US TO WORK WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO, TO, UM, TO MODIFY.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT AGENDIZED FOR THAT TONIGHT.

UM, AND, AND A FINDING OF NOT NON-RESPONSIBILITY HAS TO BE SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION ON THE RECORD, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE.

SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE STAFF IF THEY WANT TALK ABOUT, UM, THEIR WORK, UM, VERIFYING.

LET ME, LET ME ASK IF THAT ANSWERS THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION.

IT, IT DOES.

SO, THANKS, AND I'LL JUST END BY SAYING I DO, WE DO KNOW STAFF WORK TO, UM, VERIFY MID STATE'S ELIGIBILITY TO BE AWARDED THE PROJECT.

SO I'LL STOP THERE AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? ITS ENTIRETY.

COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO SOME OF THE COSTS INCREASE AND, UM, I GUESS ASK YOU, BRIAN, TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, WITH ADMIN AND PLANNING, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE COSTS THAT WE CONTROL AND I DON'T THINK THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED SINCE.

SO HOW, HOW DID THOSE, HOW DID THOSE GO UP? I, I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO ASK, UH, PAUL OR ONE OF THE CIP TEAM MEMBERS TO, TO SPEAK TO THAT.

I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL ON THE, UH, THE REASONS OR THE, THE DETAIL BEHIND THE COST INCREASES AT MY FINGERTIPS.

UM, ON THE ADMIN SIDE OF THINGS, AND I'M NOT THE EXPERT HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, SO JONATHAN HERE MAY BE ABLE, ABLE TO HELP, BUT DID THE CITY CHANGE THE FORMULA FOR PROVIDING THE COST FOR ADMIN THAT WASN'T USED PREVIOUSLY? SO IT'S BECOME A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT IS ALLOCATED THEN TO OUR ADMIN FEES THAT COME FROM CIP.

SO THAT FORMULA, UH, BROUGHT THAT COST UP TO MEET THE FORMULA WHERE THAT WASN'T USED PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE ESTIMATED IT.

SO JONATHAN, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK MORE TO IT.

YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO IT.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, I'M JONATHAN SOLA, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, SO PARTLY WHEN WE WERE ESTIMATING THOSE FIGURES IN THE PAST, WE WERE KIND OF USING AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

NOW WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM FINANCE IS THEY'VE ACTUALLY CALCULATED WHAT THAT ADMIN TIME WILL BE OVER THE YEAR FOR OUR STAFFING.

AND SO THAT EQUATES TO A ROUGH PERCENTAGE.

AND NOW WE'VE APPLIED THAT, AND WHEN WE SEE IT IN THE LARGER PROJECTS, IT REFLECTS HIGHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE KIND OF ESTIMATING BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SPENT.

AND SO

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IT, IT IS HIGHER.

UM, AND THAT COVERS BOTH THE LEGAL COSTS AND, UH, THE CIP ADMIN TIME AND THEN ALSO FINANCES, CITY MANAGER'S, TIME THAT ALL GO TO THOSE CIP PROJECTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL LET THE CLERK TAKE IT HERE.

YES, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, FIVE COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO AND TWO COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

AND I DO HAVE SOME CARDS IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A CARD ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

THIS IS THE MOMENT, SEVERAL CARDS, AND WE'RE SETTING THE TIMER AT THREE MINUTES.

AND, UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS, UH, BEN HARIG, AND THE SECOND SPEAKER WILL BE PAT DRAGON.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, MY NAME IS BEN HANS AND I'M A SENIOR ESTIMATOR FOR MID-STATE CONSTRUCTION.

UM, I'M COMMENTING ON ITEM THREE.

UM, 18 YEARS AGO I MOVED INTO PETALUMA AT, WELL, NOT PETALUMA, I'M SORRY.

I'M A SONOMA COUNTY RESIDENT.

I LIVE IN RUNNER PARK, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING IN PETALUMA, UH, MAKING THE DRIVE IN EVERY DAY FOR, UH, FOR 18 YEARS.

AND, UM, MID-STATE CONSTRUCTION IS, IS WHO I WORK FOR.

I WAS INVOLVED IN THE ESTIMATE FOR THE FIRE STATION.

UM, I'M ALSO AWARE OF THE, UH, THE LETTERS AND THE, UH, THE ATTACKS ON MID-STATE CONSTRUCTION.

UM, I WANTED TO STAND AND REPRESENT THAT WE ARE A LOCAL CONTRACTOR, UM, THAT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED NUMEROUS PROJECTS WITHIN PETALUMA.

AND I I WANTED TO POINT OUT A HANDFUL OF THOSE.

THE HAVEN AT MARIA DRIVE, UH, BUILDING C PETALUMA, MARINA, PETALUMA, SHERATON, UH, CALGREN APARTMENTS, MARY ISAAC CENTER, CALSA GRANDE APARTMENTS, EDITH STREET APARTMENTS, UH, RICHARD, UH, LEBERMAN APARTMENTS, VILLAGE SQUARE RETAIL BUILDING ON LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY, SAFEWAY EXCHANGE BANK, TJ MAXX SPROUTS, THE EAST WASHINGTON PLACE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, ROUND WALK VILLAGE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, WATERFRONT APARTMENTS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS RIVERTOWN THEATER SQUARE.

UH, THE THEATER SQUARE PARKING GARAGE, UM, PETALUMA RIVER PLACE, WHICH RECENTLY JUST COM COMPLETED.

UH, ALTERA APARTMENTS OFF OF BAYWOOD.

AND CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING ON THE ADOBE ROAD WINERY.

UH, MID-STATE IS A RESPONSIBLE LOCAL CONTRACTOR, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO AWARD THE PROJECT TO MID-STATE.

WE'LL DO A GOOD JOB FOR YOU, AND WE WILL ADD THAT TO ANOTHER LIST, OR WE'LL ADD THAT PROJECT TO A LIST OF OTHER SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS.

PAT DREGER TO BE FOLLOWED BY DARREN KUZEN.

I JUST WANTED TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT BEN MISSED THE PETALUMA PARKING GARAGE.

UM, IN ANY CASE, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING AT MID-STATE CONSTRUCTION FOR 45 YEARS.

UH, 34 OF THOSE YEARS HAVE BEEN IN PETALUMA, SO I'VE BEEN AT MID-STATE FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT BEN JUST MENTIONED, PLUS THE PETALUMA PARKING GARAGE, OF COURSE.

UM, AS HE SAID, WE ARE A RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR.

UH, WE ARE AWARE OF THE LETTER THAT WAS, UH, SENT TO YOU BY THE CARPENTERS UNION.

WE, WE DID SEND A RESPONSE.

UM, THE ISSUES THAT WERE PRESENTED WERE REALLY WITHOUT MERIT.

UM, AND I HOPE THAT THE RESPONSE WE GAVE YOU GIVES YOU AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER AND THE ITEMS IN THAT LETTER.

UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE THE LOW BIDDER ON THE FIRE STATION.

NUMBER ONE, WE'D LOVE TO BE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH YOU, AND WE'RE CERTAIN THAT IT WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.

UM, WE CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ALL OF THE WORKERS, LABORERS ON THE PROJECT WILL BE PAID PREVAILING WAGE, UM, AND WE MONITOR PREVAILING WAGE VERY CLOSELY.

UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO DO THIS PROJECT WITH YOU.

PROJECT IS A KIND OF A MICROCOSM, A LITTLE BIT OF CIP PROJECTS.

DARREN RAKU TO BE FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS HARRIS.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

AND I'M REALLY, UH, A LOT OF THE POINTS I HAD WERE ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, AND I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, THE MAIN THING THAT STUCK OUT WAS THAT CONTINGENCY ITEM WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A CHANGE IN FINANCE DEPARTMENT CALCULATION, BUT THEN ALSO PLANNING TIME.

UH, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL DISCRETIONARY HEARINGS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD'VE INCREASED THAT, UM, BY, YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I THINK THIS

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AND, AND THIS MIGHT BE A TREND THAT I, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT IT, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS WHEN WE COME IN WITH A CIP PROJECT, IF IT'S UNDERBID OR THE SCOPE ISN'T FULLY FLESHED OUT LATER DOWN THE ROAD WHEN IT'S TIME FOR IMPLEMENTATION, WE HAVE A ROADBLOCK.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND I KNOW MAYOR MCDONALD HAS SAID BEFORE, HIS CONCERNS ABOUT REALLY FOLLOWING THROUGH AND FINISHING CIP PROJECTS.

UH, SO WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHEN IT APPEARS LIKE WE'RE COMING BACK AROUND DUE TO AN INCREASE IN THINGS LIKE CONTINGENCY, THINGS LIKE HEARINGS OR ADMIN, IT FEELS LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CONSISTENT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ITEMS THE CITY HAS CONTROL OVER.

HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THOSE AREN'T ROADBLOCKS TO MOVING PROJECTS FORWARD, GETTING PROJECTS DONE, AND, AND SETTING APPROPRIATE EXPECTATIONS IN THE BU IN THE BUDGET, UH, AND WITH THE PUBLIC WHO GOES TO THESE HEARINGS.

SO, UH, THANK YOU.

NICHOLAS HARRIS.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, NICHOLAS HARRIS, UH, KAVANAUGH POOL SWIM.

WE ALUM PROBABLY 1992 OR THREE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS.

UM, UH, YEAH, A A LOT OF THE, UH, CONCERNS, UM, OR THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND, UH, DISCUSS HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED.

UM, AND I DID SUBMIT A WRITTEN LETTER THAT'LL PROBABLY BE ADDED TO THE RECORD.

UM, SO I THINK REALLY THE THING THAT THAT STICKS OUT AND WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE MID-YEAR BUDGET UPDATE AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE, UH, RESOLUTION IS DRAFTED.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A MID-YEAR BUDGET UPDATE.

UH, AND I I THINK IT'S, UH, MISLEADING, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE FUTURE.

LOOKING BACK AT, AT WHAT THE RESOLVE OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A MIDYEAR BUDGET UPDATE AND THE IMPACT, THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT WERE FULLY UNDERSTOOD AND THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD AN AWARD, UH, WAS BASED ON THAT.

TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT AGAINST AWARDING THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, UM, HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT MID-STATE.

IN THAT LETTER THAT WAS SENT, I'D REALLY JUST LIKE TO HAVE, UM, A COMPLETE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE OF THIS PROJECT AS IT IS BEING APPROVED.

AND IF IT MEANS DELAYING IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, SO ONLY ONE WEEK AWAY, I THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE.

THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER, PUBLIC CARD SPEAKER.

SO, UH, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL.

UM, ANY COMMENT BEFORE MOTION? ANY MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER SCHS? ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA DO ONE THROUGH? YES.

WE'RE DOING THE ENTIRETY OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

WE DID NOT SEPARATE ANY ITEMS. I MOVE.

SO ONE THROUGH EIGHT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.

AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THE MOTION, BUT ONE THROUGH EIGHT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHS AND, UH, TO THE CLERK.

UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE YES.

AND ITEM EIGHT IS A HOUSING ELEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM AND INDUCTION OF THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO MODIFY THE CITY OF PETALUMA IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, CERTAIN SECTIONS, CERTAIN TASKS.

THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF.

APPRECIATE THIS.

I THINK IT'S A MILESTONE PROJECT IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA EVERY A HUNDRED YEARS, WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT FIREHOUSE.

SO, UM, AND THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM EIGHT.

[9. Housing Element Implementation Program: Introduction (First Reading) of an Ordinance to Adopt a Zoning Text Amendment to Modify the City of Petaluma Implementing Zoning Ordinance Section 4.030 –Zone Districts and Allowable Land Uses, Section 11.060 – Off-Street Parking and Loading Facilities, Section 24.050(A) – Administrative Procedures, and Section 28.020 – Glossary, and Including Modifications to the City of Petaluma SmartCode Section 3 - Building Function Standards, Section 4 – Urban Standards Table (Parking Requirements), and Section 9 – Glossary to Implement Program 7 of the City’s Sixth Cycle Housing Element Pertaining to Zoning Regulations for Residential Care Facilities]

AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO BRIAN O OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS ANDREW TRIPLE, OUR PLANNING MANAGER.

AND EMMANUEL SSU, OUR PRINCIPAL PLANNER.

UH, TAKE IT AWAY.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, MCDONALD, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME'S EMMANUEL SSU AND I'M THE, UH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER THAT, UH, WORKED ON THIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT.

UM, SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU AS, UH, THE MAYOR INTRODUCED IS AN ORDINANCE, INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE ZONING CODE.

AND THIS IS PART OF THE CITY'S PROGRAM TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, 20 23, 20 31 HOUSING ELEMENT.

UH, SO THE, UH, OBJECTIVES OF THIS, UH, ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, UH, ARE TO IMPLEMENT

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A SPECIFIC, UH, PROVISION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

IT'S FOUND IN PROGRAM SEVEN ADDRESSING DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, UH, IN PARTICULAR AS THEY APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

UM, WE'RE AMENDING BOTH THE, UH, IZO, THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SMART CODE.

UH, THE SMART CODE, AS YOU KNOW, APPLIES TO ABOUT A 400 ACRE AREA BETWEEN LAKEVILLE AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH FROM, UH, HIGHWAY 1 0 1 TO THE WEST END OF, UH, DOWNTOWN.

UH, IN ADDITION TO ADDRESSING THE LAND USE REGULATIONS, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, WE'RE ALSO, UH, UH, CREATING PARKING STANDARDS, WHICH CURRENTLY DO NOT EXIST FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

UM, SO THIS IS ALL, AS I MENTIONED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, WHICH IS DERIVED FROM, UH, STATE MANDATES, UH, AND ALSO TO ADDRESS OUR LOCAL HOUSING NEED.

UH, SO STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO STREAMLINE, AND WE WANT TO DO THIS FROM A LOCAL PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE AND REDUCE, UH, PROCESSING TIME, UH, CARING COST, TIME ASSOCIATED FOR, UH, APPLICANTS.

UH, ALSO, UM, UNDER STATE LAW, THIS IS, UH, PART OF A, UH, FURTHERING OF FAIR HOUSING, UH, UH, LAWS.

SO PROVIDING HOUSING FOR ALL SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FOLKS WHO HAVE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS.

UH, UNDER OUR HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, WE DO HAVE A REGIONAL HOUSING NEED ALLOCATION.

UH, SOME OF THESE UNITS, UH, MAY COUNT TOWARDS THAT, UH, REGIONAL HOUSING NEED ALLOCATION.

SO IT DOES HELP MEET THE, THE HOUSING NEED IN THAT, IN THAT RESPECT.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S, UH, REALLY ONE OF THE DRIVING GOALS IS TO, TO MEET OUR, UH, LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS FOR OUR AGING POPULATION.

UM, THE POPULATION 65 AND OLDER IS, UH, GROWING QUICKLY, UH, IN TERMS OF ITS PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, UH, AND ESPECIALLY THE, UH, POPULATION 85 AND OLDER, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY THE POPULATION THAT TENDS TO TO BE A HIGHER, UH, USER OR IN NEED OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.

UH, SO UNDER THE, UM, HOUSING ELEMENT TO THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, ACTIONS THAT ARE, ARE TO BE TAKEN, UH, REMOVING OR ADDRESSING DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS.

UH, IS PART OF THAT, AS YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE.

THERE ARE OTHER AREAS, UH, THAT, UM, WILL ALSO, THAT ARE ALSO GOALS OF THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN.

UM, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS SECTION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THERE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, UH, ARE TO BE ADDRESSED.

RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES AND STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ARE BEING ADDRESSED BY THIS, UH, BY THIS ORDINANCE.

SO THIS PROCESS BEGAN WITH THE, UH, PREPARATION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, AS, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

IT WAS A LONG PROCESS THAT INVOLVED, UH, EXTENSIVE, UH, ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS, UM, THAT CULMINATED IN THE PREPARATION AND THE ADOPTION OF THE, UH, UH, HOUSING ELEMENT, WHICH WAS THEN SUBSEQUENTLY CERTIFIED BY THE STATE.

UM, AND, UH, SPECIFIC IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS A PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED TO ADDRESS RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES AND THE, UH, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO THEM.

IN OCTOBER OF THIS PAST YEAR, WE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A WORKSHOP, A DRAFT, UH, PROPOSAL TO IMPLEMENT, UM, THE HOUSING ELEMENT AS IT PERTAINS TO R CS.

UH, AND THEN AT A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 9TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS NOW BEFORE YOU IN THE FORM OF THE, UH, OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

SO THE CHANGES TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, A HANDFUL OF 'EM, THEY, UH, CONSOLIDATE THE DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR, THREE OR FOUR DEFINITIONS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

AND THESE ARE DISTINCTIONS THAT ARE MADE AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR LICENSING PURPOSES.

UH, FROM A LOCAL ZONING STANDPOINT, THEY REALLY DON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UH, FOR OUR PURPOSES.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SIMPLER TO JUST COMBINE THOSE DEFINITIONS INTO ONE DEFINITION.

UM, ALSO, WE, THE HOUSING ELEMENTS, UH, PROGRAM SAYS TO REMOVE CONSTRAINTS AND REMOVE THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.

SO YOU HAVE OUTCOMES THAT, UH, ARE CERTAIN.

SO WHEN A APPLICANT, A DEVELOPER COMES TO THE CITY, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO, ON A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER CERTAIN ZONING TO DEVELOP A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A USE PERMIT THAT WOULD ENTAIL

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PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, AND SO ON.

AND THE UNCERTAINTY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO, UH, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD PERMIT BY RIGHT, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UH, MIXED USE ZONES, AND IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, CURRENTLY PARKING FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES DOES NOT EXIST.

UH, SO, UH, WHAT WE DO IN THIS SITUATION UNDER CURRENT CODE IS WE REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO OBTAIN A PARKING STUDY.

WE GO TO A TRAFFIC CONSULTING FIRM THAT PREPARES A STUDY, UH, AND THEN BRING THAT TO THE CITY, AND WE'D EVALUATE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THIS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE A, UH, SPECIFIC PARKING STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE CHANGING THE DEFINITION.

IN ESSENCE, A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY UNDER THE NEW DEFINITION IS A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES 24 HOUR NON-MEDICAL CARE SUPERVISION, TYPICALLY WITH THE ASSISTANCE WITH ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, UH, IN THE CASE OF, UH, FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE CARE TO MINORS.

THESE ARE FOR MINORS THAT CANNOT LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS OR GUARDIANS.

UM, AND THE, UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE CHANGES TO THE DEFINITION OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.

AND THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN GET INTO DETAIL IF, UH, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

UH, THESE ARE THE CURRENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES THAT OUR ZONING CODE, UM, HAS DEFINITIONS FOR THE, THE TOP THREE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES FOR THE ELDERLY, ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES FOR CHRONICALLY ILL, UH, THESE ARE ALL LICENSED SEPARATELY UNDER THE STATE LAW.

AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S NO PURPOSE FOR OUR, THERE'S NO REASON UNDER LOCAL ZONING PURPOSES TO MAKE THESE DISTINCTIONS.

UM, REAL QUICKLY, THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A USE THAT'S CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED AND ONE THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT, IS IF IT'S CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED PUBLIC NOTICE AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

IT IS NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA.

UM, AND THE, UH, REVIEW STANDARDS ARE QUALITATIVE IN NATURE, UH, VERSUS A PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THERE'S, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY, UH, IT'S, UH, A MINISTERIAL DECISION, MEANING WE'RE LOOKING AT QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE OBJECTIVE, AND IT IS EXEMPT FROM SQ ONE UNLESS THERE'S A, AN EXCEPTION TO THE EXEMPTION.

SO, UNDER CURRENT CODE, UM, THE, THE CODE DEFINES THREE TYPES OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, BUT LISTS FIVE IN THE TABLES OF USES PERMITTED, UH, IN CHAPTER FOUR OF THE ZONING CODE.

UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE WITH SIX OR FEWER CLIENTS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.

UH, UNDER STATE LAW, THERE'S PREEMPTION OF LOCAL PREEMPTION OF REGULATIONS OF FACILITIES WITH SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS.

UM, IN OTHER WORDS, WE CANNOT IMPOSE ANY REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY IN A, THAT'S LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE THAT WE DO NOT APPLY UNIFORMLY TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USE IN THAT SAME ZONE.

SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PERMITTED UNDER EXISTING ZONING, UH, BY RIGHT FOR SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS.

THE PRIMARY CHANGE WE'RE MAKING IS IN THE MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONES WHERE THEY'RE EITHER PERMITTED BY RIGHT, BUT HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS, UH, WHICH FOOTNOTES 10 AND SIX, UH, REFER TO, OR ARE SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UH, FOOTNOTE SIX, UM, ONLY ALLOWS THE USE, UM, ON UPPER FLOORS OR BEHIND A, UH, GROUND FLOOR STREET FUNDING USE.

UM, AND THEN IN OTHER AREAS ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALLOWED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND THEN FOOTNOTE 10 SAYS THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ABOVE GROUND FLOOR.

SO THE TABLES THAT WOULD BE CHANGED IN, UH, CHAPTER FOUR, THE ZONING CODE, UM, UH, ARE TABLES 4.1 THROUGH 4.4, 4.1, AND 4.2 ARE, UH, PUT TOGETHER IN THIS TABLE.

UH, WE WOULD REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO RESIDENTIAL CARE FOR SIX OR FEWER, AND FOR SEVEN OR MORE, WHICH IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED UNDER CURRENT ZONING ANYWAY, IN THAT, IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.

AND WE JUST HAVE ONE NEW DEFINITION.

RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY, IT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITH, UH, NO RESTRICTIONS IN ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.

AND THEN IN PLANNED UNIT DISTRICTS AND PUDS OR PCDS, WHERE RESIDENTIAL USE IS THE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE,

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THEY WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED IN THOSE AREAS IN THE MIXED USE, UH, AND COMMERCIAL ZONES, UH, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UM, WITH, UH, FEW CAVEATS.

ONE IS, UH, A FACILITY IN THE MIXED USE OF COMMERCIAL ZONE WOULD BE SUBJECT, THAT IS SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN.

AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, PERTAINING TO FRONTAGE ON THE STREETS TO ENSURE, UH, TRANSPARENCY TO THE STREETS AND, AND OPENING UP TO THE PUBLIC REALM TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION BETWEEN THE STREET AND, UH, AND, UM, AND THE FACILITY.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE USE TABLE FROM THE SMART CODE.

UH, WE WOULD ADD RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY AS A PERMITTED USE.

CURRENTLY, THE SMART CODE IS SILENT AS IT PERTAINS TO RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

UM, SO WE'D ALLOW IT, UH, ADDED AS A PERMITTED USE.

UH, SUBJECT TO FOOTNOTE NUMBER TWO, WHICH, UH, IN AREAS WHERE SHOP FRONTS ARE REQUIRED, WHICH IS IN THE DOWNTOWN, THE CORE OF THE DOWNTOWN, UH, THEY'RE IN THOSE LOCATIONS, IT'D ONLY BE ALLOWED ON UPPER FLOORS OR BEHIND A GROUND FLOOR USE.

UH, IN TERMS OF PARKING, WE'D ESTABLISH A PARKING REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

UM, FOR FACILITIES THAT ARE IN SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, UH, DWELLINGS, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UM, ONE SPACE REQUIRED FOR EVERY FOUR CLIENTS ABOVE 10 CLIENTS.

UH, FACILITIES WITH 10 OR FEWER CLIENTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE UNDERLYING PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THEN, UH, IN ALL OTHER ZONES, EXCEPT FOR THE R ONE THROUGH R FIVE ZONES, THERE'D BE TWO SPACES FOR THE FIRST SIX CLIENTS, AND THEN ONE FOR, UH, EVERY FOUR CLIENTS, UH, ABOVE THAT.

AND THEN SOME OF THESE FACILITIES, AS I MENTIONED, HAVE, UH, FULLY CONTAINED APARTMENTS WITHIN THE FACILITY.

SO A, A, YOU KNOW, A UNIT WITH A BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, BEDROOM, LIVING AREA, UH, THOSE UNITS WOULD HAVE A, A SEPARATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD, WOULD BE A HALF A SPACE, UH, FOR, UH, EACH ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS, PLUS THE ONE FOR EVERY FOUR IN THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE NOT, UH, A DWELLING UNIT, DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT.

UM, AND THEN THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES WOULD BE APPLIED IN THE, UH, SMART CODE.

UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE LIST OF USES IN CHAPTER 24, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES CHAPTER OF, UH, THE IZO, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, SPAR REVIEW FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF USES.

UH, WE WOULD ADD, UH, NUMBER 14 AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS LIST, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES WITH SEVEN OR MORE CLIENTS IN MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.

SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS I MENTIONED, PROVIDED ITS INPUT AT, UH, TWO, UH, TWO MEETINGS, A A STUDY SESSION IN OCTOBER, AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER OF 2025.

UH, ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE DRAFT, UH, ORDINANCE THAT IS BEFORE THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

UM, THE, THIS IS IMPLEMENTING THE HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, PROGRAM OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

AND SO WE'RE RELYING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UM, THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCED THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

UM, AND THIS ORDINANCE, AS I MENTIONED, WILL, UH, AMEND THE, UH, IZO AND THE SMART CODE ADDRESSING LAND USES PARKING, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES AND DEFINITIONS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT AT THE DECEMBER NINE MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO CONSIDERED SEPARATELY UNDER A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM, A REQUEST, UH, BY A DEVELOPER TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY AT, UH, 1221 PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.

THAT, UH, FACILITY WAS APPROVED BY THE CI, UH, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT TO SEVERAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING ONE CONDITION THAT THEY DID NOT OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL THIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT IS IN EFFECT.

UM, SO THAT FACILITY WOULD NOT

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BE PERMITTED AS DESIGNED AND SUBMITTED, UM, UNDER CURRENT EXISTING ZONING REGULATIONS.

UH, SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED AND IN EFFECT BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THAT PROJECT.

UM, AND THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS, UH, JUST BEFORE THE END OF THE, UH, OF 2025 IN THOSE PLANS ARE IN PLAN, CHECK IN THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE OTHER THING I'D POINT OUT IS WE DID HAVE, UH, THE CITY GRANTED, UH, APPROVAL FOR US ANOTHER, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY IN THE RIVERFRONT PROJECT THAT WAS GRANTED BACK IN 2023, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

UM, UH, THEIR APPROVALS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED, UM, AND ARE GOOD, THEY'RE VALID THROUGH, UH, JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

I SPOKE WITH THE DEVELOPER THIS AFTERNOON, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE STILL ACTIVELY PURSUING, UH, FINANCIAL PARTNERS AND, AND WORKING ON THE PROJECT.

THEY HAVE NOT ABANDONED THAT PROJECT.

AND THAT WAS FOR A FACILITY WITH 106, UH, TOTAL, UH, BEDS, OR 70 OF THOSE ARE APARTMENTS.

AND THEN 36, UM, MEMORY CARE, UH, BEDS.

THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

GREAT PRESENTATION.

UM, KIND OF A BIG TOPIC HERE.

UH, LIKE YOU SAY, THERE'S SEVERAL, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET DEEP INTO THIS ONE.

SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH SOME QUESTIONS, UM, COMMENTS LATER, QUESTIONS NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, UM, OKAY.

QUESTIONS JUST TO, UH, DIFFERENTIATE THING 'CAUSE, UH, HAVING, UM, MY MOM GOING THROUGH 13 YEARS OF VARIOUS FACILITIES, LINCOLN FOR THEM HERE IN TOWN, SO, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL CARE AND SENIOR APARTMENTS WITH CARE OF SOME SORT.

SO THERE'S A, THERE IS A, UM, DEFINITE LINE HERE.

WE HAVE TO NOTE.

YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE, ABOUT SENIOR LIVING, SENIOR LIVING, APARTMENTS WITH DAYCARE TYPE OF HELP, OR ALLOWING EVEN 24 HELP INSIDE THE ROOMS VERSUS MEDICAL CARE 24 7 BY THE OFFICE.

SO I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING SO FAR REFERS ONLY TO 24 7 CARE WITH HAVING A ACTUAL NURSE ON SITE 24 7.

IS THAT CORRECT? RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES ARE NOT SKILLED IN NURSING FACILITIES.

SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES ARE MORE ACUTE CARE FACILITIES WITH VERY STRICT, UH, STATE, UH, STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, STAFFING RATIOS.

UH, THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, UH, FOR THE ELDERLY OR IN UNDER THIS COMBINED DEFINITION, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, UM, THERE ARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS.

UH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OF THOSE.

UH, WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, SOME GALLAGHER SENIOR LIVING HERE.

THEY COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS REGARDING SPECIFICS OF LICENSING FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

BUT THEY DO, TYPICALLY, THEY PROVIDE NON-MEDICAL CARE, ALTHOUGH THEY COULD MAY PROVIDE LIMITED KNOW MEDICAL, UH, MEDICATION REMINDERS, UH, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UH, UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CARE PLAN, UM, THEY, UM, TYPICALLY HAVE, UM, STAFF, 24 7 HOUSEKEEPING STAFF, STAFF THAT, UH, HELPS WITH, UH, DRESSING AND FEEDING, UH, AS NECESSARY, UM, SOCIAL SERVICES TYPE STAFF, UH, ACTIVITY STAFF, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO THERE'S, UM, A BRACKET HERE.

THERE'S A CARE FACILITIES ABOVE RESIDENTIAL CARE, WHICH IS HIGHLY MEDICAL, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION BELOW, WHICH IS SENIOR ASSISTANT, NOT A SENIOR ASSISTANT, OR EVEN SENIOR APARTMENTS WITH FOOD, LET'S SAY, UM, AND HELP.

SO WHERE'S, UH, SO YOU, YOU DEFINE THE TOP LINE MM-HMM .

WHICH WAS THE MEDICAL PART, ADDING IN TO 24 7, BUT YOU DIDN'T DEFINE THE BOTTOM.

THE BOTTOM.

SO WHAT'S, WHERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENIOR LIVING AND RESIDENTIAL CARE? WHERE IS THAT LINE DRAWN SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE APPLYING HERE? YEAH, SO, UM, THE, I THINK THE LINE WOULD BE IF A STATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED, SO IF IT'S A FACILITY, A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY THAT IS LICENSED BY THE STATE, THEN THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY.

IF IT IS APARTMENTS THAT ARE RESTRICTED TO SENIORS, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A SUITE OF SERVICES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING, THEN THAT WOULD NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR, 'CAUSE MY MOM WAS IN LIKE, UH, UH, DIVIN HOUSE.

THERE, THAT'S THERE, THAT WOULD NOT BE RESIDENTIAL CARE.

UH, WHICH IS IOF WASHINGTON, AND THAT'S WHERE THE FINE LINE IS.

UH, THEY PROVIDED APARTMENTS AND FOOD, UM, AND, AND EVEN CLEANING SURFACES AND THE LIKE, BUT THEY ALLOWED MEDICAL CARE WITHIN, WITHIN, AND IF EVEN IT WAS 24 HOUR NURSE, IT WAS ALLOWED IN

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THAT'S STILL SENIOR LIVING, NOT RESIDENTIAL CARE.

SO THERE'S A LINE THERE.

SO A VINTAGE HOUSE MM-HMM .

WHEREAS, UM, THE, THE FACILITY RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT IS, WOULD BE MORE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL CARE, BUT THAT'S ALMOST LIKE 24 7 MEDICAL.

SO THAT, THAT'S LIKE ALMOST ABOVE, BUT NOT QUITE.

SO THERE, I'M SAYING THERE'S A COUPLE RESIDENCES HERE THAT, WHERE DO THEY FALL IN THIS CATEGORY, RESIDENTIAL CARE, WHERE DOES EVIDENT HOUSE FALL IN AND THERE'S A PLACE NEXT TO IT.

WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT FALL INTO IT? SURE.

COUNSEL MEMBER, UH, PLANNING MANAGER, ANDREW TRIPLE, I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR EXACTLY WITH THE, UH, FACILITIES THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CARE THAT THEY PROVIDE, BUT OUR CODE DOES DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY THAT PROVIDES NON-MEDICAL CARE VERSUS A HEALTHCARE FACILITY THAT DOES PROVIDE THAT MEDICAL, THOSE MEDICAL SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S ACUTE CARE, ASSISTED LIVING AND SUCH, THE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES CAN HAVE A MEMORY CARE COMPONENT TO THEM, OR AN ASSISTED LIVING COMPONENT TO THEM.

BUT I BELIEVE, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO CROSSCHECK WITH, UH, THE FOLKS HERE FROM GALA HERE, SENIOR LIVING.

I BELIEVE THOUGH THAT THAT STILL, EVEN THOUGH THEY PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR, SAY, TAKING PILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT STILL DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE MEDICAL CARE THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE IN A HEALTHCARE FACILITY.

GREG, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING THERE.

THERE'S A BOTTOM LINE IN A TOP LINE, CORRECT? THIS IS THE IN MIDDLE AREA HERE, CORRECT.

UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, SO THAT WE HAVE SENIOR APARTMENT LIVING, UH, ZONING AND RESIDENCES WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

RIGHT.

AND, AND I THINK AS, AS, UM, EMMANUEL POINTED OUT, THESE ARE ALSO FACILITIES THAT ARE LICENSED BY THE STATE.

SO IT WOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM SAY, A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT WAS DEDICATED TO SENIORS, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE AGE RESTRICTED.

SO THIS, THESE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, WHILE THEY OFTENTIMES DO PROVIDE, UM, INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS FOR PERSONS OVER THE AGE OF 60 OR 65, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, LET'S SAY, COMPARE THAT THEN TO A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WHERE IT IS SPECIFICALLY AGE RESTRICTED TO PROVIDE INDEPENDENT UNITS TO PERSONS RIGHT.

OVER A CERTAIN AGE.

SO TO BE CLEAR, LIKE, LIKE, OR DANKO, UM, UH, MERIDIAN APARTMENTS HAS CORRECT.

SOCIAL SERVICES.

THAT'S NOT A, A RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

JUST I WAS, MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON, ON WHAT WE'RE BRACKETING HERE, TOP AND BOTTOM RIGHT ON, ON THE ZONING.

UM, HI, I LATER COMMENTS A ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT YOU ASKED, YOU MENTIONED PARKING AND THERE'S PARKING, UH, EXPECTATIONS, BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY WHAT THOSE PARKING EXPECTATIONS WAS.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATIONS IN PARKING UNITS PER, PER UNIT, PER PER RESIDENT, PER WHAT? WHAT IS IT? SO THE, UH, RECOMMENDED PARKING IS FOR MEMORY CARE BEDS OR FOR UNITS THAT DO NOT HAVE, DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT.

IT'S ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY FOUR RESIDENCE.

AND THEN IF WITHIN A FACILITY, UM, THERE ARE INDEPENDENT OR SELF-CONTAINED UNITS, THERE'D BE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO UNITS OR 0.5 PER PER UNIT.

THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MINIMUM PARKING FOR, UM, A SIX PERSON HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S LIKE A DRIVEWAY.

UM, UM, IS THAT A MINIMUM OR A MAXIMUM BY THE WAY? THAT, THAT THAT'S A MINIMUM.

THAT'S A MINIMUM, YEAH.

JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT, WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS.

UM, MINIMUM THERE.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED DOWNTOWN, I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR.

UM, IF SOMEONE BUILDS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ARE WE SAYING YOU MUST HAVE RETAIL OR CANNOT OR, OR, OR ALLOWED TO NOT HAVE RETAIL? I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHICH WAY YOU WERE GO SAYING SURE.

IS THAT SO, SO WITHIN THE, UH, CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN, BOUNDARY DEVELOPMENT IS REGULATED BY THE SMART CODE.

AND THE SMART CODE HAS WHAT ARE CALLED FRONTAGES, UH, THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO CERTAIN CORNERS.

UH, CERTAIN PORTIONS OF STREETS TYPICALLY AT THE CORNER.

SO FOR INSTANCE, AT THE CORNER OF, UM, EAST WASHINGTON, AND I'M GOING TO FORGET THE CROSS STREET COPELAND DRY, THERE IS A SHOP FRONT FRONTAGE, AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AT THAT PRECISE LOCATION.

THIS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD NOT CHANGE THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO ONLY IN THE, ONLY IN THE SMART CODE DOES IT RESPECT THE, THE SHOP FRONT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A GROUND FLOOR, UM, ACTIVITY GENERATING USE, SUCH AS RETAIL.

DOWNTOWN THAT MAY BE FORCED INTO HAVING RETAIL.

UH, 'CAUSE I CAN IMAGINE, UH, THERE'S PLACES WHERE THEY MIGHT BUILD DOWNTOWN OR NEAR

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AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THESE FACILITIES REALLY DON'T, UH, ARE NOT RELATED TO RETAIL AT ALL, BUT MAYBE A VERY GOOD SERVICE TO HAVE NEAR DOWNTOWN.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT ZONING CORRECT OF, OF WHERE, WHERE, HOW MUCH RETAIL IS GONNA BE REQUIRED IF THEY'RE IN THAT NEAR ZONE.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT MAPPED OUT A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT.

UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE SPOTS NEAR DOWNTOWN THAT I THINK YOU, THE ZONING MAY FORCE RETAIL, AND I'M GOING, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

WELL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FORCE RETAIL SPECIFICALLY.

WHAT IT DOES IS SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, SORT OF A, A GROUND FLOOR DESIGN THAT LOOKS MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UM, DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.

AND, BUT YOU COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF ACTIVITY GENERATING USE WITHIN THAT.

SO I THINK A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE SPIRIT LIVING PROJECT OVER IN RIVERFRONT, UM, THERE AT THE CIRCLE AND ON THEIR GROUND FLOOR, THEY ACTUALLY INTEGRATED, THEY BROUGHT THE, UH, THE DINING AREAS DOWN TO THE GROUND FLOOR.

THEY BROUGHT SOME OF THEIR ACTIVITY AREAS DOWN TO THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY ADDED A PORTION THAT WAS A RESTAURANT AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE WAYS THAT THEY CAN BRING THOSE USES OUT OF THE CORE OF THE BUILDING INTO THE GROUND FLOOR FRONT THEM.

OFTENTIMES WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT WITH MULTIFAMILY AS WELL, WITH COMMUNITY SPACES AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

SO REALLY WHAT IT, WHAT IT TRIES TO DO IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THOSE SHOP FRONTAGE ARE, ARE DESIGNATED, IT TRIES TO RESPECT THE FORM AND DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, BUT THERE IS FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE ACTUAL, HOW THE E INTERIOR SPACE IS USED.

OKAY, GOOD.

I JUST WANNA SURE THAT THERE WAS THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THERE THAT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE A, A STICKLER ON YEAH, ON, YEAH.

NO, IT'S ON IF THEY'RE NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

UH, MOVING ON TO, UM, UH, BASICALLY IT'S AFFORDABILITY AND GETTING SOME GRANT MONIES INVOLVED.

SO, UM, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS, UM, ELDERLY, UH, CAN'T AFFORD FULLY THEMSELVES, BUT IS HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED EITHER BY GOVERNMENT OR BY INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PAY FOR ALL, ALL OF THIS.

SO IF THE INDIVIDUALS CANNOT DIRECTLY PAY FOR IT OUT OF THEIR POCKET, BUT IS PAID FOR BY EITHER INSURANCE OR GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MEDICAL PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE ON, IS THAT ACCOUNTED AS A A AFFORDABILITY UNIT? AND IF SO, DOES IT COUNT IN RENA AS LOW INCOME UNIT SO THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE LOW INCOMES COVERED BY RENA, NOT JUST A UNIT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY LOW INCOME IF THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY BEING SUPPORTED BY OTHER THAN THEMSELVES? IS THAT COUNTING? I, I DO NOT THINK THAT WOULD COUNT AS A BELOW MARKET RATE UNIT.

UM, UNDER STATE LAW, THERE IS PREEMPTION ON REGULATING THE RENTS IN RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

UH, SO THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE, UH, INCLUSIONARY.

SO WE CANNOT APPLY OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS TO, TO THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.

WE CAN APPLY, UH, THE COMMERCIAL LINKAGE, HOUSING LINKAGE FEE TO, UH, TO THESE UNITS, AT LEAST TO THE PORTIONS OF THE UNITS THAT DO NOT, UM, INCLUDE THE FULLY CONTAINED INDIVIDUAL APARTMENTS.

UM, SO LIKE THE COMMON DINING AREAS, THE MEMORY CARE UNIT COMPONENTS, UM, ANY OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH A, A, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, WE COULD INCLUDE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S COUNTED TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL LINKAGE FEE, UM, COMMERCIAL HOUSING LINKAGE FEE.

UM, BUT UNDER STATE LAW, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, IMPOSE, UH, INC OR REQUIRE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING OR RENT RESTRICTIONS.

JUST WANNA CHECK OUT ON SOME OF THE, UH, THE NUMBERS WE MIGHT BE USE FOR RENA.

ANOTHER THING RENA, UH, QUESTION IS, UM, IF YOU HAVE SIX RESIDENTS THERE, UH, BUT YOU ALSO HAPPEN TO HAVE YOUR CARETAKERS, DOES THAT COUNT AS SIX UNITS FOR RENA NUMBERS OR DOES IT COUNT AS EIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE CARETAKERS ALSO LIVING ON SITE? YEAH, SO, SO IN TERMS OF FOR ARENA NUMBERS, WE WILL LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE FACILITY.

AND FOR EVERY UNIT IN THE FACILITY THAT IS FULLY CONTAINED WITH ITS OWN KITCHEN, UM, BATHROOM AND SLEEPING AREA, THAT WILL COUNT AS A HOUSING UNIT THAT WOULD MEET THE, THE HUD DEFINITION AND HCD DEFINITION OF A HOUSING UNIT.

AND WE COULD COUNT THAT AS A, TOWARDS OUR, UH, REGIONAL HOUSING NEED ALLOCATION.

SO IN THE LARGER FACILITIES, THEY WILL HAVE KITCHENS AND BATHROOMS, UH, FOR EACH UNIT, BUT IN A LOT OF CARE FACILITIES, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BEDROOM WITH TWO PEOPLE IN IT AND ONLY ONE KITCHEN FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE.

HOUSE, YES.

THAT WOULD ONLY COUNT AS THAT ONLY THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE COUNTED AS ONE UNIT.

CORRECT.

VERSUS A, UM, THE TWO PROPOSALS I UNDERSTAND ARE MULTI-UNITS AND IT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROBABLY HAS A KITCHEN BATHROOM.

EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD COUNT AS A UNIT PER, UM, THAT'S BEING, UH, USED E EXACTLY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON WHAT'S A READING UNIT AND WHAT'S NOT YEAH.

AND WHAT COUNTS AND WHAT DOESN'T COUNT.

QUESTIONS, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.

ON ALL THAT.

UM, AND, UM, I, I ASKED SEVERAL

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YOU GOT ME A REALLY NICE THANK YOU FOR THE WRITEUP ON THAT.

YOU GAVE THE NUMBERS OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHERS, UH, UH, SAW THOSE, UH, THAT REPORT OUT ON THE NUMBERS, UM, BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THEM AT ALL, UM, ABOUT THE NEED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT NOW OR IF THERE'S ANYBODY INTERESTED IN IT.

I THOUGHT THOSE NUMBERS WERE, WERE VITAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC HEARS THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ESTIMATES OF WHAT'S NEEDED.

AND I'LL PASS IT ON AFTER THAT.

UM, APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE ALL YOUR, UH, QUESTIONS.

I THINK HALF THE TIME, UM, A QUESTION BEGS THE NEXT QUESTION, AND SO LET ME HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UP HERE.

SO THE GALLAGHER PROPOSAL, IS IT A 100% STATE REGULATED PROPERTY? YEAH.

I THOUGHT I WAS WHAT IS HERE.

JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IT.

UM, AND THEN IN THE SENIOR LIVING, THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL CARE SE, SENIOR APARTMENT, ET CETERA, IS IT STREAMLINED? IS THERE, IS THERE, THAT WOULD NOT FALL.

SO SENIOR HOUSING DOES NOT FALL UNDER THIS SURE.

UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.

AND IT'S NOT, SO IT'S KIND OF OLD SCHOOL AND LESS STREAMLINED THAN I, I'M JUST THINKING RESIDENTIAL'S MOVING TO STREAMLINE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE MOVING TO STREAMLINE, AND THAT SECTOR IS MAYBE LEFT BEHIND ON THE STREAMLINING.

I I THINK THAT WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A STREAMLINING MEASURE BECAUSE, UH, BY PERMITTING THE LAND USE BY, RIGHT, YEAH, SURE.

WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT, THAT DISCRETIONARY WE'RE, SO WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS REAL WELL.

RIGHT.

AND MAYBE THERE'S A COMPONENT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING REALLY WELL THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SCH BROUGHT UP.

UM, AND THEN, UM, DOES THIS APPLY TO CONVERSION OF HOUSING? SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANT TO OPEN A BUSINESS IN AN EXISTING LARGE HOUSE.

SO THIS APPLIES TO THAT AS WELL.

YES, IT DOES.

UM, AND THEN, UM, SAY HI, UM, HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, THE BERGIN BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OLD JC PENNEYS AND IN OUTDOORS, ET CETERA, UM, COULD A PROPOSAL BE MADE ON THAT PROPERTY FOR, TO BECOME RESIDENTIAL CARE? WHAT WE DID? WHAT CHALLENGE WOULD THAT PRESENT TO US? I MEAN, IT FITS THE ZONE, ONE OF THE ZONES THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

AS LONG AS IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE ZONE OR RESIDENTIAL ZONE, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

UM, IF IT'S IN, UH, ON A BLOCK THAT HAS A, UH, SHOP FRONT, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, UNDER THE CENTRAL PEDAL IN A SPECIFIC PLAN, THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME CERTAIN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ON THE STREET FRONTAGE, UH, OR THE USE WOULD BE BEHIND THE STREET FRONTING USE.

BUT OTHERWISE, SO I FORGET, IN THE CENTRAL SPECIFIC PLAN IS THAT SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, PART OF IT, IT'S A SMART CODE.

THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE.

I'M GETTING MY CODES MIXED UP.

SMART CODE IS ONLY THE EASTERLY SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, BUT CENTRAL SPECIFIC IS BOTH SIDES AND, AND MY AND MORE.

UM, AND THEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UM, LINKAGE FEES.

ARE ANY OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS, OR, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU VISUALIZE, UM, SUBSIDIZING THROUGH ANY OF OUR HOUSING FUNDING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU WE COULD TAKE MONEY AND PUT IT INTO, IS ANY MONEY GOING INTO THE GALLAGHER PROJECT THAT, UM, IS THIS CITY SUBSIDY FOR PROJECT? UH, NO, THE CITY, THE, THE GALLAGHER PROJECT IS A, A PRIVATE, UH, MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

HOWEVER, THE COMMERCIAL LINKAGE FEES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S HOUSING FUND.

THEY WOULD BE PAYING IN SUPPORT, SO RIGHT.

THEY WOULD BE PAYING IN SUPPORT, SUBSIDIZING OUT SUPPORT, FUTURE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

EXCELLENT CLARITY.

UM, AND DO WE LEAVE ANY ZONING CODES OUT? UH, DOES THIS ORDINANCE COVER ESSENTIALLY EVERY ZONING CODE? IT, IT COVERS ALL OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN BOTH THE IEO AND THE SMART CODE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE BUSINESS PARK OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

GOOD CLARITY, OR FOR THAT MATTER, OPEN SPACE OR AGRICULTURAL.

SO, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS THERE ARE THEY DEVELOPED AND IN PLACE THAT WE, WE SAY OBJECTIVE STANDARDS HAVE TO APPLY TO THIS MM-HMM .

AND THOSE ARE IN PLACE.

HOW WERE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DETERMINED FOR THIS? SO, UM, DID A FEW, FEW THINGS.

SO THEY'RE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

UM, SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACKS AND, AND ALL THOSE ARE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, BUT NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THE NEXT QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, IS EVERYTHING STILL SUBJECT TO SPAR? YES.

UH, ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE? OH, UH, VICE MAYOR,

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UH, FIRST IS LOOKED AT THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE US, WHERE WE HAD PARKING STUDIES THAT WERE DONE.

UM, SO THE SPIRIT LIVING PROJECT IS A VERY DIFFERENT LOCATION, VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROJECT THAN ON A VERY SMALL SITE, UH, THAN THE GALLAGHER UH, PROJECT.

SO THE GALLAGHER PROJECT HAS MUCH MORE PARKING, UM, THAN THIS REQUIREMENT IS.

THE SPIRIT LIVING PROJECT IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON, UH, COURSE WITH WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.

UM, THE, AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER THING WE DID IS LOOK AT OTHER ZONING CODES IN THE AREA.

UM, THE RANGE SEEMED TO BE BETWEEN ONE TO TWO, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO CLIENTS TO ONE FOR EVERY FOUR.

UH, WE HAD RECOMMENDED ONE FOR EVERY THREE, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSED IT AND FELT THAT THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH PARKING.

AND SO, UH, THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IS ONE FOR EVERY FOUR, UH, CLIENTS.

UM, SO YEAH, THOSE WERE THE, KINDA THE, THE WAYS WE CAME UP WITH THE, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

'CAUSE I THINK, UM, MAYBE WITH GALLAGHER, IT, PERHAPS IT MAKES SENSE.

UM, BUT OTHERS, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE CIRCUMSTANTIAL WITH OTHERS WITH RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE, UM, OR I DON'T KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF IMPLICATIONS THAT'S GONNA HAVE, BECAUSE PARKING IS SUCH A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE IN PETALUMA.

UM, ARE THERE, I I'M CURIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SUCH A LOW THRESHOLD FOR PARKING, DOES THIS QUALIFY THE CITY FOR MORE REGIONAL GRANTS, OR ARE THERE OTHER BENEFITS THAT WOULD BE ENCOURAGING US TO DO THIS? CAN I JUST ADD, UM, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR ACCOUNT FOR VICE MAYOR DE CARLY, THIS IS A PARKING MINIMUM, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO PARKING MINIMUM, THAT'S THE THRESHOLD, NOT THE MAXIMUM.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LIMITING PARKING, WE'RE JUST SAYING THIS PARKING MINIMUM.

RIGHT.

BUT I THINK PEOPLE WITH DOING THESE PROJECTS TO BE MORE INCLINED TO HAVE AS FEW SPACES AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, TO MAXIMIZE CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT'S THAT THEY'D LIKE.

SURE.

I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY, WE, WE ACTUALLY SEE THE OPPOSITE.

UM, TYPICALLY, ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE NORTH BAY, THE MARKET WANTS TO PROVIDE MORE SPACES THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM IS.

SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR ANALYSIS AND IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE BASED ON, UM, CERTAINLY IN THE CASE OF FOR, WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR BOTH SPIRIT LIVING AND GALLAGHER SENIOR LIVING, THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY, AND SO THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF DATA THAT THEY BRING TO BEAR WHEN IT COMES TO ESTABLISHING THEIR PARKING NEED.

AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STRIVE TO MEET THAT NEED.

SO I, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THE MINIMUM IS HELPFUL IN ENSURING THAT WE GET THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT THE, THE MARKET WOULD LIKELY PROVIDE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.

Y YES.

BUT THEN, THEN WE COULD STILL POTENTIALLY BE STUCK WITH THE MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TRUE.

SO, I MEAN, BACK, BACK TO MY QUESTION.

I MEAN, DOES, DO THESE, ARE WE MAKING THESE POLICIES TO QUALIFY FOR MORE GRANTS IN ANY SORT OF WAY FROM, FROM MAYBE, YOU KNOW, S-E-T-C-A OR MTC OR ANYBODY ELSE OR, SO, DOES, DOES THIS HELP THE CITY IN ANY SORT OF WAY? IT DOESN'T HELP.

UM, THE INTENT ISN'T AROUND SECURING ADDITIONAL GRANTS, AS EMMANUEL HAD POINTED OUT.

WE LOOKED AT EXEMPLARS, UM, DIFFERENT ZONING, UM, CODES IN DIFFERENT CITIES, AND THEN LOOKED AT THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING APPLICATIONS COME IN AT, UM, TO GET US TO THIS, UM, TO THESE RATIOS.

AND I GUESS IF WE THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHER, AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR DATA SUGGESTS, WHY DON'T WE MEET THAT? WELL, THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IS DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES WITHIN WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS.

UM, THAT BEING THE ASSUMPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DO HAVE RESIDENTS OF THESE FACILITIES WHO ARE MOBILE, WHO CAN GET OUT, WHO ENJOY, UH, BEING IN A CONNECTED COMMUNITY AND, AND THE FREEDOM OF, OF NOT

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HAVING TO HAVE A CAR.

AND SO IN SETTING THE, UM, THE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS WHERE THEY ARE, UH, WE ARE USING IT TO INCENTIVIZE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THESE FACILITIES CERTAINLY BY, NOT, BY NOT HAVING A HIGHER MINIMUM PARKING STANDARD.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BY PERMITTING THEM BY RIGHT ACROSS OUR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS, WE ARE SEEKING TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE FACILITIES IN THESE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THERE WOULD BE LESS DEMAND FOR PARKING.

BUT YOU SAY IT WOULD DECENTIVIZE THEM TO RAISE IT, BUT THAT THEY ALSO WOULD WANT IT RAISED BY THEIR OWN DATA.

BUT IF THEIR OWN, IF THEIR OWN DATA INDICATES THAT THEY HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR PARKING, THEN PRESUMABLY THEY WOULD PROPOSE THE FACILITY THAT REFLECTS THEIR PREFERENCE.

BUT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING.

AND, UM, OKAY.

AND THEN PARKING ASIDE, UM, I SHARE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT EITHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER MU U2 ZONE PARCELS BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, AS MENTIONED, THE JCPENNEY BUILDING, OTHERS THAT THOSE COULD BE, THOSE COULD ALL BE TURNED INTO FACILITIES OF DIFFERENT TYPES, OR I MEAN, OF, OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

THEY COULD BE, YES.

THEY COULD BE CONVERTED FOR USE AS A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY, UH, PRESUMABLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING, THE CONSTRUCTION TOLOGY AND SUCH WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS SQL EXEMPT, BUT WOULDN'T SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL IN THIS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D MAYBE WANT TO CONSIDER SQL OR OTHER MEANS? IF, IF YOU'RE PUTTING A, A CARE FACILITY IN FOR THE ELDERLY NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL FACILITY THAT'S VERY LOUD MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, THAT COULD CREATE A LOT OF CONFLICT.

SURE.

SO THE CQA EXEMPTION ONLY APPLIES TO THE ACTION ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.

THE PROJECTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SPAR, AND THAT IS A DISCRETIONARY ACTION.

AND SO THEY WOULD TRIGGER CQA, UM, AT THE TIME THAT A, A PROJECT SPECIFIC APPLICATION IS MADE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.

AND WITH THAT, OUR CLERK TO HELP US OUT.

DOES NOT NECESSARILY KIND OF INCULCATE THIS SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE, UH, HAVING SUCH AN ACTIVE STREET.

WE DID RECEIVE, UH, TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, AND I DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CARDS AND I SEE ONE MORE COMING.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

LET'S START WITH DARREN ZEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY BROOKE ROSS.

THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

STAFF.

UH, COUNCIL, I HAD ONE SPECIFIC ITEM ON THIS, AND THEN KIND OF IT BRINGS ME INTO TWO BROADER ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE BEING THE PARKING MINIMUMS. HEARING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, IT IS A MINIMUM.

UH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ENSURING THERE'S MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPERS INTO THE FUTURE, A LOT OF THE IMPETUS IN DRIVING DOWN PARKING MINIMUMS IS TO ALLOW FOR MORE BUILDABLE AREA, MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET PROJECTS DONE.

WE ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE CONVERSATION OR IN THE BALANCE ABOUT SAFE AND EFFICIENT OPERATION FOR WHATEVER THE FACILITY TYPE IS.

UH, AND IT JUST STUCK OUT TO ME THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAW THE GALLAGHER PROJECT AND THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO MINIMIZE PARKING, AS WAS STATED.

THE MARKET IN THEIR CASE, TENDED THEM TOWARD OFFERING, ACTUALLY OVER THE OLD STANDARD.

THEY WERE AT 1.65, I BELIEVE, UH, PER PERSON TO PARKING.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPERS OR OPERATORS OF THIS FACILITY, THEIR BEST PRACTICES FOR RUNNING THAT TYPE OF FACILITY, PLAY A ROLE IN DETERMINING WHAT THE MINIMUM IS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE A NO MINIMUM, OBVIOUSLY WE ACEE THAT THERE IS SOME BALANCE TO BE STRUCK BETWEEN HAVING ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT OPERATION, BUT NOT TOO MUCH.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THAT CONVERSATION, NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR LOCAL LAND USE EXPERTS, BUT DEVELOPERS AND FOLKS WHO OPERATE THE FACILITIES ARE HELPING INFORM THAT CONVERSATION, WHICH I ASSUME HAS HAPPENED.

UH, BUT THIS ALSO GETS ME INTO A BROADER DISCUSSION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MIXED USE GETTING CONVERTED TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, CARE FACILITIES.

YOU KNOW, I HAD A, UH, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, KIND OF A SHORTENED DEBATE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

AND JUST THINKING FROM AN URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF MIXED USE AND HOW HAVING COMMERCIAL ON CERTAIN THOROUGHFARES ENCOURAGES THE CREATION OF COMMUNITY SPACE AND ACTIVE STREET FRONTAGES, RIGHT? AND THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION ITEM FOREVER, WHEREAS ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL IN THOSE SAME AREAS

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SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BALANCE TO BE STRUCK, BE BETWEEN PURE, LIKE MARKET DRIVEN, HEY, LET'S ALLOW PURE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE THIS IS RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

BUT IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP MIXED USE TO A LOT MORE PURE RESIDENTIAL USES.

WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE URBAN DESIGN IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.

AND REALLY WHERE ARE WE IN THE BALANCE OF TRYING TO USE ZONING TO INFORM SOME KIND OF URBAN DESIGN SENSE OF PLACE THAT WE ALL WANT, VERSUS WHERE ARE WE LETTING THE MARKET DECIDE? AND, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE LIKE, LOOK, WE HAVE TO LET THE MARKET DECIDE.

WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CAN BUILD RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES PROJECTS POSSIBLE.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS IN THE GENERAL PLAN ABOUT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HYPER PLANNING OUT DOTS OF COMMERCIAL.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT IN HOW WE FIGURE OUT, LIKE, IS THIS MARKET DRIVEN? ARE WE USING ZONING AS AN URBAN DESIGN FACTOR? AND ALSO WE'RE UPDATING THE IZO WHEN WE COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN, LET PEOPLE KNOW THE CHANGES ALREADY HAPPENING.

THANK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BROOKE ROSS TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MAUREEN HAW.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCDONALD COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF.

MY NAME IS BROOKE ROSS AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO VOICE MY SUPPORT OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT.

UH, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.

I THINK THAT IT, UM, HELPS TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS AND TO, UM, INCREASE THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSING POOR, VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, INCLUDING SENIORS.

MAUREEN GOTCHU TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE WHITE.

HELLO.

SO I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND I'M, I WANNA DISCUSS THE PARKING ELEMENT OR THE PARKING CALCULATION.

AND, UM, SO WHAT THE EXISTING POLICY SAID THAT IF YOU HAD A FACILITY OVER SEVEN CLIENTS, THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE ACTUAL OPERATIONAL NEEDS, THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, THEN NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING AVAILABILITY, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

UM, IN THIS, UM, NOW YOU WANNA CHANGE THIS INTO A CALCULATION, BUT YOU'RE DOING THAT CALCULATION AND YOU'RE KIND OF PUTTING IT ACROSS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FACTORS, THE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THAT OTHER CATEGORY.

AND, AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.

AND SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT AN RRCF FACILITY HAS, HAS THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF VISITORS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, AND THERE'S STAFFING, AND THE STAFFING THAT THEY NEED ARE, UM, POTENTIALLY DIRECT CARE, NURSING ADMINISTRATION, KITCHEN HOUSEKEEPING, MAINTENANCE AIDES.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LARGE GROUP OF FACILITIES.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM, LET'S JUST DO A RESIDENTIAL 10, 10 RESIDENTS IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, UNDER THE CALCULATION, THAT'S ONLY TWO SPACES, BECAUSE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NOTE, IT SAYS THE ONE TO FOUR RATIO DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL AFTER 10.

SO YOU HAVE 3, 3, 4 PEOPLE POTENTIALLY.

YOU HAVE VISITING PHYSICIANS, THERAPISTS, PHYSICAL THERAPY, PODIATRY, DENTAL SERVICES, YOU HAVE DELIVERY SERVICES, YOU HAVE VISITING FAMILY.

SO NOW WE'RE AT TWO PARKING SPACES IN THE RESIDENTIAL WITH POTENTIALLY SEVEN TO EIGHT PEOPLE NEEDED.

AND, AND SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD USE THAT CALCULATION.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S A MINIMUM, BUT I THINK YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR STICK TO THAT MINIMUM IN A RESIDENTIAL THAN YOU DO IN POTENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL WHERE THEY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY, THEY'RE IN A BIGGER PROPERTY.

AND SO I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD USE THIS CALCULATION.

I SHOULD IN A RESIDENTIAL PLUS, IF YOU ARE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE DOWN B STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN VERSUS BEING RIGHT DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE SEVEN BLOCKS AWAY VERSUS TWO BLOCKS AWAY.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE ACCESS TO MASS TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, IF THESE ARE FACILITIES, MEANING HAVE POSSIBLY DISABLED PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK YOU'RE LUMPING EVERYTHING, AT LEAST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COOKIE CUTTER.

AND IT'S NOT A COOKIE CUTTER SITUATION.

AND I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS YOU'LL GET RESIDENTS UPSET AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WON'T HAVE SUCCESS.

YOU'LL HAVE EVERYONE NOT WANTING THIS FACILITY.

I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD USE RES I'M FOR THE IDEA OF IT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROGERS.

CHRISTINA WHITE

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I'M GONNA BUILD OFF WHAT MAUREEN JUST SAID.

HAVING HAD EXPERIENCE, AND I MEAN, AS OF YESTERDAY, GOING TO THE TAM IN GREEN BAY, THEY HAVE YOUR MINIMUM PARKING PROBABLY THERE.

SO EVERYBODY IS PARKING ON THE STREET, INCLUDING LIKE MY MOM WHO NEEDS A WALKER.

THEY HAVE ONE HANDICAP SPOT FOR A GUEST TO COME, AND SHE WAS COMING TO VISIT HER FRIEND.

SO THE MINIMUM ISN'T ENOUGH FOR ALL, ALL THE PEOPLE.

SO EVERYBODY ON ALL THOSE SIDE STREETS, FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING PEOPLE IN THE TAM, WORKING IN THE TAM, UM, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE A DOCTOR, WHETHER THEY'RE NURSE, WHETHER THEY'RE HOUSEKEEPING, ALL PARKED ON THE ENTIRE STREETS AND OVER BY THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THE ENTIRE THINGS WERE FULL.

SO IT, FOR ME, IT'S FINE.

I CAN WALK, BUT FOR MY MOTHER, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR HER TO FIND SOMEPLACE.

SHE'D WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY MOVED OUT OF THE HANDICAP, SINGLE HANDICAP SPOT SO SHE COULD TAKE THAT SPOT.

SO PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS.

THE SAME THING, UM, ON THE OTHER HAND WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DO WE NEED IT BY SOME COMMERCIAL? MY MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVED AT THE REDWOODS.

SHE STARTED AN INDEPENDENT LIVING AND THEN WENT TO ASSISTED LIVING, AND THEN SHE HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR MEMORY CARE.

SO I'VE GONE THE GAMUT WITH ALL OF THIS.

BUT WHEN SHE WAS INDEPENDENT LIVING, SHE COULD WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO GO TO SAFEWAY AND DO HER SHOPPING.

SHE STILL FELT THAT INDEPENDENCE THERE.

THEY HAD A FEW MORE PARKING PLACES.

SO WE COULD USUALLY FIND SOMETHING, BUT WE ALSO COULD PARK IN THE SAFEWAY PARKING LOT.

SO THERE'S A BALANCE THERE FOR HOW DO, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE HANDLING THE PARKING FOR IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OUR CITIZENS UPSET, AND SO THAT WE HAVE A PLACE FOR EVERYBODY TO COME AND VISIT IN THESE, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE THAT ARE VISITING ARE OFTEN LESS MOBILE AS WELL.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER, CHANTELLE, UH, ROGERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE BELLINGER.

HI.

UM, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE, WHAT THE CITY PUT UP ON ITS, UM, UM, AGENDA SITE, WHICH I PRINTED OUT ALL 20 PAGES OF, WAS NOT THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT.

SO USUALLY I CAN FOLLOW ALONG AND I WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, TONIGHT.

AND SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT, TO FIND THE ANSWER FOR THIS QUESTION.

'CAUSE I WASN'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT, I DIDN'T FOLLOW IT WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH.

UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHICH KINDS OF FACILITIES ARE GONNA ALL BE LUMPED TOGETHER NOW BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS FOR EVERY SINGLE KIND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE ELDERLY FACILITIES AND WHATNOT.

BUT ON THE PAGE THAT CAME FROM WHAT I SAW THAT YOU GUYS POSTED, IT LISTED THESE AS POSSIBILITIES, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES FOR THE ELDERLY, ADULT RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES FOR THE CHRONICALLY ILL, BUT ALSO GROUP HOMES, SOCIAL REHABILITATION FACILITIES, AND SMALL FAMILY HOMES.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UM, REHAB CENTERS? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, HALFWAY HOUSES? I MEAN, IF I WERE JUST LOOKING, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WAS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THOSE.

WE NEED TO, TO, TO ANTICIPATE THAT AS, AS WELL.

BUT I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE, WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE SAME KIND OF BUYRIGHT, UM, POSSIBILITIES FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WOULD BE DOING ALL OF THOSE AND CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS.

SO I JUST WAS HOPING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

THANK YOU, DWAYNE BELLINGER.

UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER.

UM, THE, THE ONE PLACE WHERE I'VE SEEN, UM, UH, A PROBLEM IS WHEN, UH, WE GO TO PICK UP SOMEBODY WHO'S LIMITED MOBILITY TO TAKE 'EM FOR A DAY AT THE PARK OR TAKE 'EM OUT TO DINNER, IS THAT WE FIND THAT, UH, THE TWO PARKING PLACES, ONE OF 'EM IS OCCUPIED BY ONE OF THE WORKERS THERE, AND THE OTHER WAS OCCUPIED BY A LONG-TERM, UM, RESIDENT.

AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO CONVENIENTLY PARK TO PICK UP SOMEBODY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SOMEBODY WITH LIMITED MOBILITY.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS SOME REQUIREMENT THAT ONE OF THE PARKING PLACES BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A CAR, BUT ARE HAVING FRIENDS PICK THEM UP.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD CHANGE ANYTHING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO, TO PICK UP PEOPLE TO TAKE THEM TO OUT TO DINNER.

UM, AND THERE WERE PROBABLY A COUPLE GOOD QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT I'D LIKE STAFF TO TAKE A STAB AT.

UH, WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT,

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UM, DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE QUESTION YOU WANT TO ANSWER FROM WHAT YOU HEARD, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO PARAPHRASE BACK, UH, WHAT I HEARD? UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PARAPHRASE SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE HITTING ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

UH, WELL, THE FIRST ONE ON MY LIST IS, UH, DOES THIS PARKING REQUIREMENT, IS IT, IS IT ONE SIZE FITS ALL? AND IS THAT APPROPRIATE, THE MINIMUM? SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD, UH, POINT TO IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR SMALL FACILITIES IN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES IN TOWN ARE LOCATED.

UM, SO THE, THE CODE PROPOSED CODE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT YOU MEET THE BASE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH IS, UH, THREE PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR A RESIDENCE WITH THREE OR FEWER BEDROOMS FOR EVERY BEDROOM WITH, UH, EVERY HOUSE WITH FOUR OR MORE BEDROOMS. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM.

SO A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE WOULD REQUIRE SIX PARKING SPACES.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES IN A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

SO I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE COMMENT THAT I BELIEVE, UH, MAUREEN, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET HER LAST NAME, UM, MADE.

UH, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO, TO THE LARGER FACILITIES, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE, UH, SPIRIT LIVING PROPOSAL AND BASED ON THAT PARKING STUDY, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE PEGGED THIS TO THE, WHEN WE APPLY THE STANDARDS FOR PARKING UNDER THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IT WOULD MEET WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, UM, BASED ON THE PARKING STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE SPIRIT LIVING FACILITY.

UH, FOR THE GALLAGHER PROJECT, THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT UNDER THIS CODE WOULD BE 43 SPACES.

THEIR DECIDED TO PROVIDE 164 SPACES, SO WAY ABOVE THE, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED.

UM, SO I THINK, AGAIN, A LOT OF IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF A FACILITY IF IT'S IN A DENSER CORE AREA VERSUS, UH, AN OUTER AREA WHERE, UH, THE LOT, UH, LOT SIZES ARE LARGER.

UM, SO IT'S, AND GIVES THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY IN, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH BARKING THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDE.

OTHER QUESTION I HEARD WAS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TYPES THAT ARE GETTING LUMPED INTO NON CUP, INCLUDING GROUP HOMES OR MAYBE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE STRIKINGLY THINKING OF.

DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? YEAH, SO, UH, THAT IS CORRECT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, UNDER STATE LAW, UH, GROUP HOMES, SMALL FAMILY, UH, CARE HOMES, THOSE ARE, UH, CITIES CANNOT REGULATE THOSE FOR SMALL FACILITIES WITH SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS.

UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL LUMPED IN INTO THIS DEFINITION.

UM, INCLUDES COMMUNITY CRISIS HOMES, SOCIAL REHAB FACILITIES, GROUP HOMES, FOSTER, UH, FAMILY HOMES, CRISIS NURSERIES, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES FOR CHRONICALLY ILL ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, RESIDENTIAL, UH, CARE FACILITIES FOR THE ELDERLY.

UM, AND SO, AND IF THE STATE COMES UP WITH MORE CATEGORIES, WE, SO, SO IF YOU, UM, YOU'RE SAYING CAN'T REGULATE, BUT IF THEY'RE IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER ZONINGS, THOSE STILL APPLY, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T REGULATE THE, THE USE CAN, THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD STILL, THAT UNDERLYING PARKING WOULD STILL BE YES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SAME PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE APPLY TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

THEN, UM, THERE'S, UM, COMMENT TO THE, UH, EXPERIENTIAL DATA, ANECDOTAL DATA OF PARKING'S INADEQUATE AT THE DOOR.

UM, UM, AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT.

HOW DO YOU REPLY TO THAT? START IT PLEASE.

UM, I THINK THE RESPONSE IS, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, WE NEED TO STRIKE A BALANCE.

UM, THERE'S PLANNING FOR PEOPLE AND THERE'S PLANNING FOR PARKING.

AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE STRIKING, I THINK WE ARE STRIKING THAT BALANCE.

WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A COST FACTOR.

UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA BE MINDFUL OF.

IT'S SOMETHING PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ALSO, UM, HAD A REALLY ROBUST DISCOURSE ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC, UM,

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PROJECT THAT WAS BEING REFERENCED.

IT SOUNDED LIKE PERHAPS IT WAS IN MARIN, UM, MAYBE NOT, UH, A LOCAL ONE.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS THE, THE PURVIEW, UM, IF THEY, UM, WANT TO SEEK SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT WITH WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, AS A CITY, UM, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GONNA STRIKE A BALANCE FOR, UH, PRODUCTION OF HOUSING, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, PROVIDING, UM, A MINIMUM LEVEL OF PARKING REQUIRED.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT A CHANCE TO BEGIN A, UM, A ANSWER TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? SURE.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS PRETTY ROBUST ON THIS AND WE HEARD IT TWICE, SO I DO FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE, WHERE WE LANDED.

UM, I'LL SAY, UM, I HOPE WE, WE ADDRESS SOME OF THE VISITOR PARKING ISSUES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT WE GOT THERE.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL JUST SAY, WE, THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SPIRIT, RIGHT? WE HEARD SPIRIT LIVING HAS NOT ABANDONED THEIR PROJECT, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR FINANCING PARTNERS.

SO, UM, AND THIS IS A COST FACTOR, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE HAVE A PROJECT IN OUR TOWN THAT IS TRYING TO GET BUILT AND CURRENTLY IS LOOKING FOR FINANCING PARTNERS AND STRUGGLING TO FIND THEM, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, TO INCREASE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL COST BURDENS ON PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WE'RE LIKE, UM, AND THEN NOTING THAT OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE GALLAGHER PROJECTS ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE PARKING THAT THEY NEED.

SO, UM, THIS IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING BUILDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE A CRITICALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, CRITICAL NEED.

UM, DEFINITELY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AN AGING COMMUNITY.

THERE'S GONNA BE A GROWING DEMAND FOR THIS.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT WITH THE DATA THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED.

AND, UM, WE'RE PRIORITIZING LIKE, THE FLEXIBILITY TO TRY AND PRODUCE THESE UNITS OVER THE, UM, THE MANDATES FOR PARKING AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, JUST CREATE OPPORTUNITY.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RI COMMENT TIME? YES.

ANYONE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN.

UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPRINGFIELD, UM, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY ON THE EAST SIDE, AND I ATTEND ST.

JAMES CHURCH AND THEY HAVE A SHUTTLE THAT TAKES, UM, PROBABLY A DOZEN PARISHIONERS FROM SPRINGFIELD ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AGING BUT ACTIVE, THEY COULD WALK ACROSS THE STREET.

BUT THAT'S A VERY LARGE INTERSECTION.

SO A LOT OF THESE FACILITIES HAVE SHUTTLES TO GET THEIR CLIENTS TO, UM, THE LOCAL CHURCHES, TO LOCAL FACILITIES THAT LIKE THE SENIOR CENTER.

SO I JUST WANNA KEEP IN MIND THAT TO BACK UP, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, SOME OF THESE FACILITIES MIGHT CHOOSE TO HAVE A SHUTTLE AND MOVE THEIR, UM, CLIENTS INSTEAD OF HAVING PARKING.

'CAUSE THIS IS AN ACTIVE AGING COMMUNITY, BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE BECAUSE OF AILMENTS.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T WALK ACROSS THE STREET.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BE DRIVING, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE VISITORS.

SO WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO EACH FACILITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, BLUEPRINT MORE OR LESS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA OFFER THEIR, THEIR CLIENTS.

SO GALLAGHER'S GONNA BE TOP NOTCH.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

AND I AM, I, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, DOWNSIZE AND MOVE INTO THOSE THINGS.

UM, THESE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, LIKE THAT WAS POINTED OUT IN PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, DO HAVE A LOT OF STAFF AND THOSE STAFF MEMBERS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

THEY WILL BE NEEDING SOME SORT OF PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF STAFF FROM HOUSEKEEPING TO MAINTENANCE TO, UM, MEDICAL.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT PARKING FOR VISITORS.

SO WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT I KNOW THAT AT SPRINGFIELD WE CAN PARK ACROSS THE STREET THOSE THAT ARE ABLE BODIED AND WALK ACROSS TO VISIT PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING AT SPRINGFIELD.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I AM FAMILIAR WITH.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON, UM, IS IT SPIRIT LIVING? 'CAUSE IT WILL BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OUR GALLAGHER PLAN.

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IS COMMENT TIME.

WE GET 'EM.

UM, YEAH, SO BEING, UH, I'VE HAD TO MOVE MY MOM FROM SEVERAL FACILITIES WORKING MY WAY UP THE LINE, UH, 13 YEARS.

SO, UH, I DID INVESTIGATE LOTS OF FACILITIES HERE IN TOWN AS KEEP HER CLOSE.

AND, UH, SO YEAH, THERE IS FIRST OFF A HIGH NEED, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND, ESPECIALLY IN AN AFFORDABLE PLACE, UM, TO, UH, BECAUSE NOW THE COSTS COULD BE ANYWHERE.

UM, WE WERE GETTING, GETTING AWAY WITH ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO $3,000 PER MONTH FOR, FOR, UM, THIS WOULD BE A HOUSE.

UM, IT WOULD BE THREE BEDROOMS, SIX OCCUPANTS, DOUBLE OCCUPIED PER BEDROOM.

SO SIX PEOPLE, THREE BEDROOM HOUSE.

THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR THESE PLACES.

UH, IN A, UM, USUALLY A LITTLE OLDER HOME.

UM, UH, 'CAUSE THEY GOT AT A CHEAPER RATE.

AND IT'S IN PROBABLY A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, DOESN'T HAVE HUGE DENSITY OF CARS THERE.

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A MARKET GOING ON.

UM, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MARKET FOR THE CLIENTS.

AND THE CLIENT'S FAMILIES ARE USUALLY PAYING OR TAKING CARE OF ALL THE MONIES.

AND SO THEY'RE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE, UM, ENTER A FACILITY, ENTER A PARENT IN THE FACILITY OR, OR RELATIVE IS CAN I VISIT? HOW MUCH CARE DO THEY GET? DOES ARE THEY GET, UH, IS THE LAUNDRY, WHERE DO YOU KEEP YOUR SUPPLIES? TURNS OUT TO KEEP, ALMOST THE GARAGES ARE FULL OF SUPPLIES.

THEY'RE NOT USED FOR GARAGES, THEY'RE USED FOR SUPPLIES FOR THE HOUSE.

AND IF IT'S A STANDARD HOME HERE IN PETALUMA, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE USUALLY A TWO CAR GARAGE, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THAT GARAGE AND THAT'S IT.

UM, AND SO YES, THERE WILL BE ALL THE DOCTORS, NURSES, AND THE HELP.

USUALLY THE ONE I I USED REQUIRED THEIR HELP TO PARK ON THE STREET OR TO TRANSPORT BY BIKE OR, OR GET DROPPED OFF.

UM, AND THEY KEPT THOSE TWO SPOTS OPEN FOR VISITORS ALL THE TIME.

SO THEY HAD A MARKET PLAN SO THAT WHEN I CAME TO VISIT MY MOM, I COULD ACTUALLY PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME.

AND EVEN FOR THE SERVICE FOLKS, THEY, THEY SAID THOSE HAD TO BE STAY OPEN FOR VISITORS.

SO THERE'S USUALLY A MARKET PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED BY, FOR THEIR MARKETING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME.

AND, BUT THESE PLACES NOW, UM, ARE UP TO FOUR OR 5,000 A MONTH.

THOSE ARE THE CHEAP PLACES.

THEY GO UP TO 10,000 TO $12,000 PER MONTH NOW.

PRETTY STANDARD.

UM, SO THERE'S A HUGE MARKET FOR OUT THERE AS, UM, WHAT CLIENTS, SO THE PARKING IS PART OF THE HUGE PLAN AS FAR MARKETING AND BRINGING THE CLIENTS IN.

SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIND THEMSELVES.

SO THE PARKING PART IS AT ONE SPACE PER, WHAT DOES IT LIMIT? WHAT DOES IT PREVENT FROM HAPPENING? AND I THINK THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS, IS THE MINIMUM IS TO PREVENT SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING.

WHAT DOES IT PREVENT? SO IT PREVENTS SOMEONE FROM GETTING A FOUR STORY, UH, FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE FOR, UM, AND PUTTING IN LARGE NUMBERS OF FOLKS.

SO ONE OR TWO SPOTS IN THERE.

BUT IF THEY HAVE A FIVE OR EVEN A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE, THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS TWO.

EVEN AT A ONE TO THREE, ONE TO FOUR, THERE'S STILL ONLY ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACES.

SO THERE'S NO REAL LIMITATIONS THERE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL.

BUT IT WILL LIMIT IN A DOWNTOWN, NEAR DOWNTOWN, IF IT'S A OLDER HOUSE WITH ONLY ONE LITTLE PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND ALMOST NO PARKING.

'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY CROWDED AT THE TIMES AND ON THE STREET.

SO, OKAY.

THAT'S WHERE THE, THE ONLY REAL LIMIT MIGHT HAPPEN THAT WOULD BE PREVENTED BY THIS RULING.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MINIMUM PREVENTION VERSUS OPENING THE DOOR AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING A FACILITY, YOU'RE CREATING YOUR MARKET.

YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT.

IT'S UP TO THEM BASICALLY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH PARKING THEY'RE GONNA NEED FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

AND THEY'RE GONNA FAIL IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

SO THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT PARKING SPACES, MINIMUMS. UM, WE WANNA PREVENT REALLY BAD SITUATION.

AND MIGHT IT APPLY TO A DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THERE'S ALMOST NO PARKING AND THEY HAVE A LARGE FACILITY, A SIX STORY FACILITY PUTTING PUT IN.

THINK ABOUT HOW THE IMPLICATIONS THERE FOR THIS PARKING.

DO THEY NEED ONE PARKING SPACE IF THEY'RE DOWNTOWN AND HAVE A FOUR STORY WITH 30 UNITS IN IT, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE? WILL THAT BE A DIFFERENT THAN, BECAUSE WE COULD EASILY HAVE SENIOR PARKING DOWN, UH, SENIOR, A COMPLEX DOWNTOWN FOUR STORY IN SOME OF THEM, A COUPLE OF THE EMPTY LOTS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING IS THE DOWNTOWN OR NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

WHEREAS THIS WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM CREATING A RESIDENTIAL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, EITHER AT A HOUSE OR AT A SIX A FOUR STORY.

AND BEING NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'D JUST BE LIMITED TO FOUR STORIES.

TO GET AWAY FROM, UH, LOOK, I THINK FOR THE MARKETING, THEY HAVE TO MARKET TO THE CLIENTS AND THE FAMILY.

SO THAT'S ONE LIMITATION I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY ON THE GALLAGHER AND IN LIVING, UM, SPIRIT THAT, UM, THAT DO WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE, UH, SPAR AND STANDARDS, UM, AND DESIGN STANDARDS AND STREET LEVEL STANDARDS THAT THERE'S EXPECTATIONS OF, IT'S GOTTA LOOK PRETTY NICE FROM THE STREET.

UM, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE FACILITIES MAY WANT TO TRY

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SO USUALLY THEY WANNA HAVE A NICE JOB OF THE FAMILY COMING LIKES TO VISIT.

SO THAT'S USUALLY NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN THERE.

UH, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AFTER THAT WE DO THE ZONING, THAT WE ALSO MAKE SURE THE STANDARDS AND DESIGNS ARE IN THERE ALSO IN PLACE.

THEN, UM, AS FAR AS THE NEED GOES, I THINK THERE WAS APPLICA.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I PUT IN SHOWING THE NEED, I THINK BY 2040 OVER THE NEXT, UH, 15 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA NEED, WE HAVE THE GALLAGHER COMING IN WITH LIKE 130.

WE HAVE SPIRIT LIVING COMING IN LIKE 80, STILL NOT ENOUGH.

WE NEED ANOTHER A HUNDRED.

SO THAT WAS THE THING.

AND THAT'S WHY WE DISCOVERED HERE IN TOWN FOR THE R POPULATION AND DYNAMICS THAT WE HAVE.

AND MY WIFE WAS A HOSPICE NURSE FOR 25 YEARS.

SO I, I HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT WHERE DO WE COOK PEOPLE, WHERE THEY GO.

AND SO FOR THE LAST OVER 25 YEARS, I'VE BEEN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH HER.

SO WE HAVE, UM, HIGH NEED HERE IN TOWN FOR ALL THESE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL AND ALL THE WAY UP AND NOT JUST THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO THE NEXT LEVELS UP.

WE NEED TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE NEEDED MORE ASSISTED LIVING, UM, AND ACTUALLY MEDICAL FOR THE NEXT HIGHER LEVELS, WHICH IS NOT IN THIS BRACKET.

SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY OPEN IT UP FOR SOMEONE OPENING UP A HIGHER LEVEL, UH, FACILITY FOR US.

'CAUSE WE MAY LOSE SOME OF THE STUFF ON UP ON B STREET.

UM, THEY MAY NOT BE, UH, FINANCIALLY THEY MAY RUN INTO PROBLEMS UP THERE, WHATEVER.

SO WE NEED, WE NEED WHAT WE HAVE ON B STREET.

WE NEED MORE OF THAT TO SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES.

SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT IN INCLUDING IN THE NEXT ROUND, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE MEDICAL ALSO PLEASE.

UM, SO THAT'S FOR HIGH NEED.

AND, UM, THE TWO PROPOSALS COMING IN.

AND THEN, UM, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL SIX, UH, CLIENTS OR LESS JUST ABOUT ANY HOUSEHOLD.

SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH THE FOLKS ON MARKETING BECAUSE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO IN, GUESS WHAT? THE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA COME IN.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THERE'S GONNA BE 10 PEOPLE PARKED HERE EVERY DAY NOW BECAUSE THIS HOUSE HAS ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.

SO, UM, WE NEED TO ALSO BE PREPARED AND WORK WITH WHOEVER'S COMING IN AND WORK WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT MUST BE, IT'D BE NICE IF IT WAS ACCEPTED AND APPRECIATED RATHER THAN, UM, ARGUED WITH.

SO, UH, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A MARKETING PLAN GOING INTO THIS SITUATION.

IF IT'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY IN OUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOODS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS A CUL-DE-SAC AND YOU'RE GONNA MOVE WIDE INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND PARKING'S ALREADY LIMITED A LITTLE BIT, REALLY.

UM, SO THAT BATTLE, UH, THEY, WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE FOLKS HAVE A VOICE AND HAVE ENCOURAGEMENT TO FIND THE RIGHT HOUSE IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO THE NEIGHBORS ACCEPT IT.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE A HARD PART RIGHT THERE, BUT THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A BATTLE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

UM, SO, BUT THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE A HIGH NEED.

WE NEED TO GET AS MUCH AS THIS, THE LOWER LEVEL, ALSO SENIOR LIVING, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE HIGHER, WE NEED ALL OF THAT AS FAST AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE 'CAUSE OF OUR POPULATION IS AGING.

WE APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR COMMENTS ON NEED.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND OF THE POINTS YOU MADE, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE SATISFIED WITH THE ORDINANCE REGARDING DESIGN SPAR PROCESS BEING INCLUDED.

AND UM, AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING FOR OUTREACH WHEN, WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN AND THINGS.

BUT I DIDN'T QUITE, UH, HEAR WHERE YOU LANDED ON DOWNTOWN PARKING.

WAS THERE A QUESTION OR WAS IT, UM, SORT OF LIKE, WELL, SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT IS IF WE HAVE A SITUATION OF, OF SENIOR LIVING THAT'S BEING PROVIDED THAT'S HAS, UM, IS SENIOR CONDOS BASICALLY JUST, UH, BASICALLY DINING AND SOME, MAYBE SOME ATHLETICS AND THEN EVERYBODY'S ON THEIR OWN THAT NEXT LEVEL UP OF RESIDENTIAL CARE.

UM, UH, CURRENTLY IF HAVING THAT ONE PARKING SPACE IS GOING TO PREVENT ANYBODY FROM EVEN LOOKING AT A PROPERTY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THAT STANDARD OF ONE PER FOR, FOR THE 30 UNITS THAT WANNA BUILD IN A SINGLE BUILDING.

SO, UM, SO ARE WE STOPPING AT DOWNTOWN OR ARE WE GONNA ALLOW THAT DOWNTOWN AND HAVE THEM, UM, SO THAT'S ALL TOTALLY VALLEE AND UBER AND LYFT IS GONNA BE ADEQUATE FOR THAT, OR ARE WE JUST GONNA SAY, HEY, STAY OUTTA DOWNTOWN.

UM, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D JUST BRING THAT UP.

AND SEE WHAT, HOW THE COUNCIL FEELS.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT NOW.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT, ANYTHING ON THIS ONE? YEAH, UM, FOR ME, I WANTED TO, IT WAS, IT WAS A SHAME THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NOW LEFT.

I WANTED TO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT SHE MADE WITH THE SHUTTLE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL.

UM, BEYOND THAT, I THINK IT'S A SLAM DUNK.

UM, WE NEED HOUSING.

WE NEED HOUSING

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DESPERATELY.

UM, AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, ONE MEASURE TO HELP MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD HOUSING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU WANNA MAKE, UH, THAT AND FIRST COMMENT ONE MORE TIME? I WOULD, I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR YOUR COMMENT ON THE SHUTTLE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS INSIGHTFUL AND, AND, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST APPRECIATED IT.

AND, UM, FROM HERE, UH, VICE MAYOR, I JUST, I JUST WANNA GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE PARKING WITH RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD, YOU SAID A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE WOULD HAVE SIX PARKING SPOTS.

UM, BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, BEDROOMS AND CLIENTS AT FACILITIES BECAUSE THEN IN HERE IT, IT IN, UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGES TALKS ABOUT TWO SPACES FOR THE FIRST SIX CLIENTS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL QUARTER SPACE FOR EVERY CLIENT THEREAFTER.

SO THE TWO COVERED SPACES OR UNCOVERED SPACES FOR THE SIX FOR SIX CLIENTS, THAT'S IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES.

UM, AND THEN ONE SPACE FOR EVERY FOUR CLIENTS ON TOP OF THAT IN THE SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES.

UM, SO FOR A FACILITY WITH UP TO 10 CLIENTS, IT'S THE BASE SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY PARKING STANDARD APPLIES.

SO THE BASE STANDARD, UH, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS THREE PARKING SPACES.

UH, IF YOU HAVE A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE OR LARGER FOR EVERY BEDROOM, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE.

SO, UH, A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE WOULD BE FIVE PARKING SPACES, SIX BEDROOMS, SIX SPACES, SO ON.

UM, SO IT'S NOT TIED TO TO CLIENTS, UM, UNTIL YOU GET UP TO 10 CLIENTS.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 10 CLIENTS, THEN IT'S ONE FOR EVERY FOUR ON TOP OF WHATEVER NUMBER OF BEDROOM COUNT YOU HAVE.

SO WHATEVER THE BASE REQUIREMENT IS.

AND EVERYTHING, UM, I ALSO DON'T, NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE OPENING UP COMMERCIAL TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE OF CARE FACILITIES IN PETALUMA, BUT, UM, THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE TOO BROAD OF A PLAN AT THIS POINT TO SUPPORT IT.

AND THEN IN, IN RESIDENTIAL, ARE BEDROOMS ALLOWED TO BE BISECTED OR ARE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ONE BEDROOM BUT TWO PEOPLE IN IT, A WALL OR HOWEVER THAT'S SET UP? AND THEN IS THAT FACTORED INTO PARKING TOO? SO YOU, YOU COULD HAVE, SO THEY'RE EITHER PRIVATE ROOMS WHERE THERE'S ONE OCCUPANT PER ROOM OR, UH, YOU HAVE SEMI-PRIVATE ROOMS WHERE YOU HAVE TWO, UH, TWO PEOPLE IN A ROOM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S STATE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF MINIMUM BEDROOM SIZE FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.

I, I'D IMAGINE THERE ARE, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE UNDER THE BUILDING CODE, THERE'S A MINIMUM BEDROOM SIZE REQUIREMENT, BUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, OR I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR, I ALSO, I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, THE STATE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO REGULATE OTHER THAN WHAT WE WOULD REGULATE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

MM-HMM.

SO WE, WE DON'T REALLY, THE STATE DOESN'T GIVE US ANY FLEXIBILITY ON PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

IT'S WHATEVER WE REQUIRE FOR A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT ALSO APPLIES TO A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I MEAN, THE KIND OF, THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THIS IS I, I THINK THE MINIMUM IS TOO LOW AND I THINK I'D I MUCH MORE APT TO SUPPORT IT IF, IF IT WERE 0.75 OR ONE OR SOMETHING HIGHER.

UM, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS RIGHT NOW, KIND OF ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM, WHERE YOU HAVE ONE THAT WANTS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARKING AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T DO IT WITH THE MINIMUM AS IT IS.

UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN, OR WOULD'VE BEEN AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMING INTO THIS AND SEE WHAT THE CONSTRAINTS OR CIRCUMSTANCES WERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

UM, BUT I MEAN, NONETHELESS, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE MINIMUM IS, IS LOW AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, GOING BACK TO THE ZONING QUESTIONS THEY HAD, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS ALLOWS US TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FREE WITH STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, DOWNTOWN'S ALWAYS THE EXAMPLE, BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS OF OF MIXED USE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT, THIS MIGHT BECOME A PROBLEM OR, OR SOME, AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DESIRE, YOU KNOW.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME TOO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMMERCIAL ZONES, UM, IN PETALUMA HAVING SUCH A DESIRE NOW TO, TO BUILD OUR ECONOMY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK BUSINESS

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UM, I GOT, UM, I'M GONNA WEIGH IN NOW AND, AND, UM, I KIND OF, UM, AGREE WITH YOU ON, ON, UH, THE POINT THAT, UM, UM, WE'RE OPENING UP AN AWFUL LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTIAL.

I MEAN, ANYTHING COULD GO INTO RESIDENTIAL NOW, AND, AND THAT SORT OF TO MR. ZEN'S POINT TOO, WHERE, UH, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GOING IN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON ABOUT, UM, SHUTTERING, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE DEMOING ACT, UH, EXISTING VACANT COMMERCIAL AND TURNING IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND, AND, UM, YET I'M NOT SEEING ANY HOUSING BEING BILLED .

I MEAN, NOT, NOT NOT TO ANY SUBSTANCE.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT THE PUBLIC AND, UH, OURSELVES FEEL IS TRAFFIC AND WE FEEL PARKING, I MEAN THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY FRONT OF MIND IS, IS THAT WE HAVE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, HOUSING CRISIS.

AND, UM, I DON'T WANT THIS TO, UM, UM, BE SOLELY A CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING.

UH, I, I THINK, UH, AS POINTED OUT BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, UM, THIS IS ALL INTEGRATED INTO BETTER HOUSING POLICY.

UM, AS SENIORS MOVE IN, IN HERE, THIS IS OPPORTUNITY AND ITS NEED IN THAT, UH, AS YOU AGE, YOU DO HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING NEEDS, BUT IT'S ALSO, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MOVE OUT OF THE BIG HOUSE, YOU RAISE THE KIDS IN, THEN, UM, NEW FAMILIES DON'T COME IN.

AND, AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, AND SO IT DOES PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE FISHING AROUND FOR BETTER WAYS TO CREATE HOUSING TO OCCUR ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.

AND, UM, STREAMLINING THIS AND FINDING OUT IF WE GET ONE MORE APPLICANT NEXT YEAR, ONE APPLICANT THIS YEAR IS, IS, IS WONDERFUL, BUT SHALL WE SAY, NOT IMPACTFUL TO THE NEED, TO THE BASIS OF NEED.

UM, I I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS PARKING AND WHATNOT, THE OTHER DAY WITH THE TRANSIT MEETING THAT OCCURRED, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS FOR LUMA GO, OR THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS FOR LUMA GO, OR TRANSIT ROUTES AND THINGS LIKE THIS WITHOUT OVERTLY SAYING IT'S HOUSING POLICY.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST CUT A BUS ROUTE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE BUS ROUTE.

WE HAVE TO SAY WE'RE CUTTING BUS ROUTES AND THAT IMPACTS OUR HOUSING POLICY AND IT IMPACTS OUR CLIMATE POLICY.

AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE TIED TOGETHER.

AND I, MY TAKE ON THIS IS I, I, I JUST WANT TO SEE ONE GOOD THING HAPPEN.

I DON'T HAVE A FEAR THAT EVERY POSSIBLE THING WILL HAPPEN.

I I, I WANNA SEE ONE MORE NEW PROJECT COME IN, AND I THINK THIS'LL HELP COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

UM, SO I THINK ABSOLUTELY THIS IS A HOUSING POLICY.

UM, IF WE SEE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FROM THESE THINGS, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THEM IN SUCH WIDE SWATHS THAT LIKE, OH MY GOSH, NOW WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 50 APPLICATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES NEXT WEEK, AND OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENTS OVERRUN AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY IN A HURT.

WE'RE GONNA SEE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AND WE'RE GONNA CHANGE OUR, OUR POLICIES.

UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS OUR POLICIES ARE PREVENTING US FROM GETTING THIS.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, BECAUSE I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOMETHING AND SEEING THE OTHER PROBLEM, RIGHT? UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE MORE HOUSING DOWNTOWN.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE DOWNSIZING FROM THE SUBURBS AND, YOU KNOW, GOING AND LIVING IN WALKABLE AREAS AND MORE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PLAY CHESS ON THE CHESS TABLES THAT HARDLY EVER GET USED, YOU KNOW, , THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR, TO ADOPT THIS AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE SEE SUPPORT AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY BARNACLE AND COUNCILLOR SHRIVES BEFORE, UH, BEFORE I SECOND ONE MORE QUESTION JUST TO ANSWER FOR CLARIFICATION.

NO, WE, DO YOU WANNA DO THE SECOND FIRST AND THEN HIT THE QUESTION IF, IF I'M ALLOWED.

GO.

I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION.

QUESTION THE, THE MIC WASN'T ON, AND SO I WANT IT TO BE CAPTURED.

AND THEN YOUR QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF PARKING, UM, THERE'S USUALLY IN RESIDENTIALS, THERE'S A TWO CAR GARAGE AND A TWO CAR APRON IN FRONT OF THAT GARAGE.

DOES THAT COUNT AS TWO OR FOUR PARKING SPACES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GARAGE IS FULL OF SUPPLIES? AND I'M GONNA ASK STAFF TO, UM, REPEAT BACK THE

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SURE, SURE.

SO THE, THE QUESTION THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER POSED WAS, IF WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL, UH, DWELLING UNIT WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THEN TWO TANDEM PARKING SPACES OR, OR SIDE BY SIDE PARKING SPACES RATHER IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, DOES THAT COUNT AS TWO PARKING SPACES OR FOUR? THE ANSWER IS IT WOULD COUNT AS FOUR PARKING SPACES.

HOWEVER, IF THE GARAGE IS MULTIPURPOSED, SHALL WE SAY, FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN PARKING, THEN DO WE REDUCE THAT TO TWO PARKING SPACES? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

WE, UH, WE WOULD STILL COUNT IT AS FOUR.

SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE PROBLEMS I'M SEEING.

SOMEONE COULD JUST HAVE, UM, IF THAT'S COUNTED AS PARKING, THEN THEY COULD JUST HAVE A, NOT EVEN AN APRON, JUST A TWO CAR GARAGE RIGHT ON THE STREET.

AND THAT'S KIND OF, AND THEY FILL IT UP WITH STORAGE IN THE ZERO PARKING IN ACTUALITY.

SO I WOULD PREFER IF, IF THERE'S, IN THE RULE A PARKING SPACE IS A PARKING SPACE FOR A CAR, NOT A STORAGE.

IF THEIR INTENTION IS, IS THE GARAGE IS GONNA USE A STORAGE THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS PARKING, THAT MUST BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS PUT IN.

IF, IF THAT'S THE INTENT UNDER SURE UNDER STATE LAW COUNCIL MEMBER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT REGULATION FOR THE ENTIRE CITY FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL USE.

IT CAN'T JUST BE FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE DOING, ACTUALLY, , CAN I, OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL TERM CALL TO QUESTION? CAN WE VOTE? YEP.

THERE YOU GO.

I, I THINK THAT'S THE THING.

AND UH, SO WE HAVE MOTION BY BARNACLE AND SECOND BY SCHIBS AND MEAN WE HAVE OUR ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

MOTION CARRIES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY VOTING.

NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.

I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT WHEN THE DEER CREEK SHOPPING CENTER WAS BEING DEVELOPED, UH, FORMER MAYOR DAVID GLASS REALLY PUSHED FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND IT WENT DOWN.

AND NOW HERE WE'RE REVERSING EVERYTHING BECAUSE WHAT WAS DONE THEN REALLY INHIBITED HOUSING.

AND THE HOUSING AT DEER CREEK WAS NOT ALLOWED EITHER.

AND THEN THAT WAS REVERSED.

SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER REVERSED THE WORLD GOES AROUND, DOESN'T IT? YES.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, HEADS US TOWARDS THE ADJOURNMENT OF OUR MEETING, BUT BEFORE WE CLOSE, I JUST WANNA MENTION ONE MORE TIME THERE.

WE'RE CLOSING IN HONOR OF SID LIPTON AND HIS LONG SERVICE AND LONG LIFE IN PETALUMA.