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          RECORDING IN PROGRESS. 
          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE 14TH 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISOR COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 28TH, 2026. 
          IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK. 
          AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE THE A ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLE. 
          MACIAS HERE. 
          KEARNEY HERE. 
          MILLER? HERE. 
          OSLER HERE. 
          SULLIVAN HERE. 
          NOW HERE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU CLERK. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO, UM, SORRY. 
          BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO LEAD THE COMMITTEE ON THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY, ROUTINE AND JUSTICE RULE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE STAFF. 
          CHIEF MILLER, I BELIEVE, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          CHAIR MILLER. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I WAS GONNA RAISE THAT POINT. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE'VE LAST MET AS A COMMITTEE. 
          IT'S BEEN SINCE OCTOBER, AND I THINK BASED ON THE NATURE OF RECENT EVENTS AND SINCE THE DURATION OF TIME SINCE WE LAST CONVENED, THAT IT WOULD BE MAYBE HELPFUL AND APPROPRIATE FOR MYSELF AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF TO OFFER A FEW REMARKS IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, WE'VE SPOKEN IN PAST MEETINGS ABOUT BOTH THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES RELATED TO MATTERS OF ENFORCE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND HOWEVER, FOLLOWING THE SHOOTING DEATHS IN MINNEAPOLIS, IT SEEMS NECESSARY TO COMMENT FURTHER. 
          AS A POLICE CHIEF AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED BY THE ESCALATING TENSIONS AND INCIDENTS OCCURRING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND FIND THESE INCIDENTS IN THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO THEM INCREDIBLY CONCERNING AND TROUBLING POLICING. 
          AT ITS BASIC CORE, IT'S IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE VULNERABLE FROM HARM, TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT, BEING FAIR, GIVING VOICED, BEING TRUSTWORTHY. 
          AS A PROFESSION, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S WORK DILIGENTLY TO ENHANCE PROFESSIONALISM, INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, MODEL BEST PRACTICES AND TRAINING AND TACTICS. 
          TACTICS. 
          AS WE EFFECTIVELY JUSTLY AND FAIRLY POLICE OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY POLICE AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES AND MAINTAIN THEIR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IS WHOLLY CONTINGENT UPON ADHERENCE TO THE RULE OF LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STANDARDS OF CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHAT WE HOLD OUR PROFESSION OR WHAT WE HOLD OUR AGENCY. 
          HERE IN PETALUMA TOO. 
          LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE SEEING THE IMPACTS OF THESE EVENTS, WHERE THE, THESE RESPONSIBILITIES AND PRINCIPLES ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED AND HOW THEY'RE ERODING THE PUBLIC'S TRUST IN OUR PROFESSION. 
          COLLECTIVELY. 
          THIS PAST WEEKEND, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, KNOWN AS IACP, THE LARGEST NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICE CHIEFS OF WHICH I'M A MEMBER, ISSUED A STATEMENT CALLING ON THE WHITE HOUSE TO CONVENE A JOINT FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I BROUGHT COPIES OF THAT STATEMENT. 
          I'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE COMMITTEE AND TO THE CHAIR SO THAT SHE CAN ATTACH IT TO THE AGENDA, UM, AND TO, FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS. 
          UH, THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED AND FIRST STEP, JUST THE FIRST STEP IN STARTING A MUCH NEEDED DISCUSSION TO HELP HEAL AND DEESCALATE OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY QUESTIONS LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY ABOUT HOW WE'RE PREPARING AND SHOULD SIMILAR EVENTS OCCUR. 
          I WANNA REASSURE OUR COMMUNITY THAT THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE ACTIVELY UNDERWAY, BOTH WITHIN THE CITY AND WITH OUR ALLIED PARTNERS. 
          AS POLICE CHIEFS, WE'RE ACTIVELY DISCUSSING HOW BEST TO PREPARE OUR TEAMS FOR RESPONSE TO INCIDENTS INVOLVING ICE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY, AND ARE CONTINUOUSLY WORKING TO REFINE OUR GUIDELINES. 
          AS A CITY. 
          WE HAVE NOT SHIED AWAY FROM TAKING ACTION TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING PERMISSIBLE, SHOULD WE NEED TO. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, YESTERDAY, CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL BONTA ISSUED GUIDANCE FOR STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT REGARDING THEIR JURISDICTION TO INVESTIGATE POTENTIAL STATE LAW CRIMES COMMITTED BY FEDERAL AGENTS, FEDERAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE LONG COLLABORATED ON INVESTIGATIONS THAT RESULT IN BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE CRIMINAL CHARGES. 
          WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING 
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THAT NEITHER AGENCY WILL OBSTRUCT WITH THE OTHER'S INVESTIGATIONS OR IMPEDE THE OBJECTIVE PURSUIT OF JUSTICE. 
          IN ADDITION TO ASSISTING LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WITH INVESTIGATIONS RELATED TO POTENTIAL CRIMES INVOLVING FEDERAL AGENTS, THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALSO CREATED A PORTAL WHERE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO REPORT INCIDENTS OF FEDERAL AGENT MISCONDUCT TO THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. 
          THAT PORTAL CAN BE LOCATED AT THE WEBSITE, OAG.CA.GOV/REPORT MISCONDUCT ALL AT ONE WORD, AND WE'LL PROVIDE A COPY OF HIS STATEMENT AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          I FEEL REMISS IN NOT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONVENE, TO ISSUE A STATEMENT REGARDING THESE EVENTS. 
          BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A RAPIDLY EVOLVING NUMBER OF INCIDENTS, UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST FEW LAST WEEK, ESSENTIALLY, UM, AND AGAIN, VERY, VERY STARK CONTRAST IN THE WAY CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES POLICE'S VERY STARK CONTRAST IN THE WAY OUR ORGANIZATION POLICE AND SERVES THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IACP IS REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE POLICE CHIEFS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE ASKING FOR REPRESENTATION TO REALLY SHINE A LIGHT ON WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE AND HOW IT SHOULD BE THE HOLDING THAT STANDARD. 
          AND SO THE CONVERSATION STARTING, I KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE ORGANIZATION HAS, HAS, UM, APPARENTLY GONE TO WASHINGTON, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT THAT DIALOGUE HAS AND REPORTING BACK FURTHER. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ADDRESS, THE COMMITTEE. 
          COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. 
          OKAY, SO 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. 
          TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. 
          I JUST WANNA RESTATE AGAIN, THE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND FLOCK IS DEFINITELY AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          THERE WILL BE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION FOR THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT COMES AFTER WE SORT OF HAVE OUR PRESENTATION ON THAT ITEM. 
          SO THIS IS MORE OF THE TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THINGS THAT HAVE ARE NOT ABOUT LICENSE PLATE READERS OR FLOCK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, CLERK, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? UH, YES. 
          WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED ONE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND THERE WERE ZERO THAT WERE SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEY THERE. 
          MY NAME'S MICHAEL DEONE. 
          UM, I WORK HERE IN PETALUMA AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES, UM, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN LA WITH ICE OFFICERS THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. 
          UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WITH ANY KIND OF AUTHORITY HERE TO TAKE A REALLY FIRM STAND. 
          THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE AN OUT OF CONTROL AGENCY CREATING HAVOC AND FEAR IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE OUR RESOURCES TO KEEP THEM OUT, WHETHER THAT IS SANCTUARY, WHETHER THAT IS ARRESTING ICE OFFICERS THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW, AND WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO SUBMIT COMPLAINTS WHEN THERE'S NO OVERSIGHT AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          IT IS SO CRITICAL FOR US TO TAKE A STAND FOR OUR LEADERS TO TAKE A STAND AND SAY, THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE, AND WE ARE GONNA PROTECT PEOPLE OF PETALUMA FROM THIS OUT OF CONTROL AGENCY. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL SET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT CLOSES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND AT THIS POINT WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. 
          UH, WE'RE MOVING ON NOW 
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TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 22ND, 2025. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          IF THERE ARE NONE, THEN WE CAN DEEM THE MINUTES AS APPROVED AS PRESENTED. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. 
          AYE, AYE, 
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MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
THE PRESENTATION ITEM ON AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLACE READERS OR A LPR. 
          I INTRODUCE, UH, CHIEF MILLER AND HIS COMMAND STAFF TO SPEAK AND PRESENT ON THE ITEM. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR MILLER. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THE PSAC AND PRESENT AGAIN ON THIS ITEM. 
          UH, JUST FOR, UH, REFLECTION, WE STARTED THE DISCUSSION BACK IN OCTOBER AND WE'RE COMING BACK TO CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE. 
          AND SO THE INTENT TONIGHT IS TO, UM, REFRESH THAT DISCUSSION. 
          UH, WE HAVE REPAIRED A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY MOVE THROUGH THAT RATHER QUICKLY AND BRIEFLY, UM, BUT ALSO TRY TO GIVE A SENSE OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, COVER THE SLIDES, UM, AND, AND, UH, ALLOW AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO ALSO JUST REFRAME THE INTENT OF TONIGHT'S, UM, DISCUSSION AND THE FOCUS OF THIS DISCUSSION. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION AT AND IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE IS TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATIONAL REPORT ON THE, THE DEPARTMENT'S AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WHICH DESCRIBES THE CURRENT SYSTEMS AND USE APPLICABLE LAWS, POLICIES, AND OVERSIGHT MEASURES, RECENT POLICY REVISIONS BASED ON COMMUNITY CONCERNS, AND A DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS RECEIVED DURING THE OCTOBER, 2025 PSAC MEETING. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS ENTAILED TONIGHT. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE A HIGH LEVEL, UM, UH, SLIDE PRESENTATION REGARDING OUR PROGRAM. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE FORWARD PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT, AND AGAIN, UH, SO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR PROGRAM AND OUR, AND AS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN OUR HYBRID, UH, LICENSE PLATE READER DEPLOYMENT MODEL THAT'S CURRENTLY IN USE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS OUR AGENCY OVERSIGHT, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE SOME SUMMARIZATION OF THE APPLICABLE LAWS OR POLICIES AND THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. 
          AND FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE RECEIVED OUT OF THE OCTOBER MEETING, WE'RE GONNA RESPOND AND HOPEFULLY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO TO START THE DISCUSSION OFF, UM, WE ADDRESSED IT LAST MEETING, BUT THERE'S MEMBERS IN THE OF THE COMMUNITY HERE PRESENT TODAY. 
          AND JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT IS A, AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, UM, BASICALLY IT'S TECHNOLOGY THAT CAPTURES IMAGES OF LICENSE PLATES AND LIMITED VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS MAKE, MODEL AND COLOR. 
          UM, IT RECORDS A DATE AND TIME AND A GENERAL LOCATION WHERE THE VEHICLE WAS OBSERVED. 
          UH, IT'S USED FOR LEGITIMATE PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, AND IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY PEOPLE USE FACIAL RECOGNITION OR MONITOR PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT WHAT AN A LPR IS NOT. 
          SO IT'S NOT A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM USED FOR INDIVIDUALS. 
          IT DOESN'T TRACK INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE. 
          UM, IT TAKES PHOTOGRAPHS OF LICENSE PLATES AND, AND VEHICLES. 
          UH, IT IS NOT A FACIAL RECOGNITION PLATFORM. 
          UM, THERE'S NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE, NOR DOES THE, UM, A LPR TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INDIVIDUAL INSIDE THE VEHICLE. 
          UH, IT'S NOT A TOOL, UH, FOR GENERAL POPULATION MONITORING, MEANING IT DOESN'T MONITOR CROWDS, IT DOESN'T MONITOR GROUPS. 
          IT, IT MONITORS VEHICLES AS IT AS THEY TRAVEL UPON THE ROADWAYS. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOT LIVE MONITORING SYSTEMS, MEANING, UM, THE APRS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE MODELS THAT WE HAVE DO NOT, UM, THEY'RE NOT, WE CAN'T LOG INTO THEM AND WATCH LIVE FEEDS. 
          WE JUST ACCESS LICENSE PLATE DATA. 
          UM, WHEN WE'RE DOING INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S NOT A FEDERAL DATA SHARING PLATFORM, MEANING THAT THE INFORMATION THAT'S CAPTURED ON THE ALPS IS, IS THE INFORMATION OR THE, THE DATA IS OWNED BY THE, THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE PETAL AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE DON'T SHARE THAT DATA WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, UM, ABSENT A COURT ORDER OR SOME SORT OF, UH, A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY A JUDGE WOULD OFFER THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN IT'S NOT A SYSTEM THAT RECORDS PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ACTIVITY. 
          UM, THESE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE TRAVELING ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS THAT ARE BEING, UM, THE LICENSE PLATES ARE BEING CAPTURED AS THEY GO THROUGH INTERSECTIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, UH, ALPS IS NOT SOMETHING NECESSARILY NEW TO THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          UH, OUR FIRST LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM WAS ADOPTED AND 
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IMPLEMENTED HERE IN THE CITY IN 2005. 
          WE'VE HAD IT IN LONGSTANDING USE AND UTILIZATION FROM OUR DOWNTOWN PARKING ENFORCEMENT MODEL. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PREDATES MY EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY OF PETAL. 
          UM, SO IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN AN IMPLEMENTATION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS. 
          UM, THROUGH THAT 20 YEAR HISTORY, IT HAS EX CHANGED AND, AND HOW IT'S USED IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, IT'S STILL CURRENTLY IN USE. 
          AND WE WILL EXPLAIN IN THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, IN THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT MODEL, HOWEVER, WE'VE CHANGED, UH, SOME OF THE USE AND EXPANDED IT AS THE TECHNOLOGY'S EVOLVED AND USED IT IN A MOBILE, UM, APPLICATION IN PATROL VEHICLES. 
          WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE AND CHANGE VENDORS AS THERE'S BEEN UPDATES AND MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT MODEL, UM, THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE TRANSITIONS IN 2011, IN 2016, IS THAT TRANSITION I WAS JUST SPEAKING TO FROM THE MOBILE, UM, PATROL VEHICLE MODELS. 
          AND MOST RECENTLY IN 2025, UM, WE HAVE DEPLOYED FIXED LICENSE PLATE READERS, UM, THAT MOST NOTABLY ARE, ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THE FLOCK SAFETY SYSTEMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO WHAT WE CALL THAT IS OUR HYBRID AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE, UM, READER SYSTEM. 
          AND THROUGH THE DEPLOYMENT OF THOSE THREE, UM, MODELS, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT VENDORS. 
          UM, SO VIGILANT IS OUR OPERATOR THAT DOES OUR PARKING MANAGEMENT, UM, MODEL. 
          UM, THEY USED TO OPERATE OUR MOBILES ON OUR PATROL VEHICLES. 
          HOWEVER, THROUGH THE YEARS, THOSE WERE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAINTAIN AND SERVICE. 
          WE ALSO FOUND THAT SERVICE VEHICLE TIMES AND OPERATIONAL PERIODS AND CARS BEING OUTTA SERVICE, UM, THAT IT JUST WASN'T REALLY HIGHLY EFFICIENT FOR US, UM, AND DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READER THAT IS AN AXON FLEET LICENSE PLATE READER THAT'S CURRENTLY IN, IN THE CAR. 
          IT'S IN THE WINDSHIELD OF OUR DUI ENFORCEMENT VEHICLE. 
          IT CAPTURES, UM, UM, THE PLATES AS THEY'RE GOING BY. 
          IT ALSO IS ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE, THE, UM, DRIVING, UM, BEHAVIORS OF, OF DUI DRIVERS WHEN THEY'RE PULLING THEM OVER AND ACTIVATES IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN THAT VEHICLE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE, UM, WE HAVE, UM, THE FLOCKED FIXED CAMERAS BECAUSE AS OPPOSED TO THE MOBILE, UM, UM, LPRS WHERE WE WERE HAVING OPERATIONAL ISSUES, THE FIXED LOCATION ONES ARE OPERATIONAL 24 7 IN AREAS OF, OF, UM, EITHER HIGH VOLUME OR CRIME ACTIVITY OR IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE OPERATING 24 7, AND SO WE FIND THEM TO BE HIGHLY EFFICIENT, LEADING LESS MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE FOUR OF THOSE. 
          UM, THE SYSTEMS ARE NOT USED INTERCHANGEABLY. 
          THEY'RE ALL GOVERNED THROUGH THE SAME POLICIES AND LEGISLATIVE, UM, REQUIREMENTS, BUT EACH, UH, PLATFORM, AGAIN, HAS A SPECIFIC USE AND PURPOSE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE, TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE VIGILANT A LPR, WHICH ARE USED FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SLIDE IS OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT BUGGIES. 
          UM, THEY HAVE THE FIXED MOUNTED A LPR ON THE ROOF AS THEY TRAVEL THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT HAVE TIME PARKING. 
          UM, THE VEHICLE DOES WHAT'S CALLED DIGITAL CHALKING, SO IT CAN MONITOR BASED ON VEHICLE LICENSE PLACE AND STRICT TIME PARAMETERS WHEN THE VEHICLE HAS EXCEEDED THE, THE TWO HOUR OR 30 MINUTE OR WHATEVER THE TIME, UH, LIMIT IS IN THAT, THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT UTILIZED OR INTEGRATED INTO THE INVESTIGATIVE A LPR PLATFORM. 
          UM, THEY'RE USED PRIMARILY JUST, OR SOLELY FOR PARKING, MEANING IT'S A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM THAT INFORMATION'S NOT SHARED. 
          UM, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE MONITORED OR MONITORED BASED ON, ON LIMITED SCOPE, UM, FOR THOSE TIME AREAS, UH, WHEN YOU GO AHEAD. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS SLIDE IS, UH, A DEPICTION OF THE AXON FLEET, UM, THREE MOBILE, A LPR. 
          IT'S THE CAMERA THAT'S IN THE WINDSHIELD. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT TAKES, UH, THE PICTURE OF THE VEHICLE'S LICENSE PLATE. 
          UM, THE AXON FLEET THREE, WHEN WE INVESTED IN, IN THIS TECHNOLOGY, IT WAS NOT, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS A LPR CAPABLE. 
          UM, WE LOOKED INTO THIS PRIMARILY FOR THE VIDEO RECORDINGS OF VEHICLE DRIVER BEHAVIOR. 
          UM, AS CHIEF MILLER SAID, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, PART OF OUR DUI ENFORCEMENT, UM, WE 
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HAVE ONE CURRENTLY IN OUR CAR. 
          UM, WE FOUND IT VERY USEFUL, UM, IN TERMS OF PRESERVING VIDEO EVIDENCE, UH, VEHICLE DRIVER BEHAVIOR. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO UTILIZING IT AS AN INVESTIGATIVE SOURCE, UM, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS, UH, ALSO A VERY INDEPENDENT SYSTEM. 
          IT'S NOT USED FOR QUARRIES. 
          UH, IT DOES RUN VEHICLES FOR LIKE STOLEN VEHICLES, THINGS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, IN THROUGH ETTES. 
          UH, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE OFFICER DOES INDEPENDENT QUARRIES OR, OR ADDS INFORMATION TO. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, FLOCK SAFETY, FIXED APRS, UH, WHICH IS WHAT I IMAGINE MOST OF THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN TENANTS HERE TONIGHT ARE TO SPEAK ABOUT. 
          UM, THEY ARE THE APRS THAT ARE FIXED AT INTERSECTIONS, UM, WHICH MONITOR 24 7. 
          UH, THE VEHICLE LICENSE PLATES ARE TRAVELING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIVE MONITORING IN TERMS OF WE CAN ACCESS THE CAMERA TO WATCH THE INTERSECTION. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A VEHICLE AND THEN QUERY THAT LICENSE PLATE. 
          AND IT MIGHT INDICATE THAT IT TRAVELED THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AT THE TIME OF AN INCIDENT. 
          MAYBE A MISSING PERSON, A HIT AND RUN, UM, EXHIBITIONS, YOU KNOW, A, A SIDESHOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT. 
          UM, THEY'RE USED FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. 
          AND WHEN A PERSON USES OR DOES A QUERY IN THE FLOCK SYSTEM, THEY HAVE TO PUT THE REASON FOR THE INVESTIGATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, AS MENTIONED, ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE, UM, GOVERNED BY A REALLY ROBUST POLICY, UM, THAT IS MAINTAINED DEPARTMENTALLY AS WELL AS LEGISLATIVE MANDATES THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED IN SB 34. 
          WE'VE ENACTED IN 2015 STATEWIDE, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY, SB 34 REQUIRES PUBLIC POLICIES TO BE PUBLICLY DISPLAYED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND AVAILABLE. 
          IT REQUIRES AUTHORIZED USERS TO BE DETAILED WITH THEIR ROLES, SHARING RULES, AUDIT REQUIREMENTS, DATA RETENTIONS, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE DETAILED MORE, UM, IN, IN CONTEXT WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENTAL POLICY, UM, AS WELL AS THE CALIFORNIA VALUES ACT, SB 54 AND THE TRUST ACT. 
          AND, UH, AB FOUR, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED RELATED TO IMMIGRATION AND OUR, OUR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH INFORMATION SHARING OR COOPERATION WITH IMMIGRATION AND FEDERAL OFFICERS. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT POLICY. 
          IT IS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          UM, IT, IT, UM, IS QUITE COMPREHENSIVE. 
          WE ALSO INDEPENDENTLY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION. 
          LIEUTENANT AVIANO HERE, WHO'S ACCOMPANIED BY DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN OVERSEES THAT DIVISION FOR US. 
          THAT IS WHERE IF WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE LACK OF POLICY COMPLIANCE OR WE HAVE POLICY UPDATES OR AUDITING MEASURES, WE INTERNALLY REVIEW THOSE THINGS. 
          THOSE ARE ALSO ADDRESSED WHERE THERE ARE POLICY ISSUES, ANY POLICY ISSUES OR NON-COMPLIANCE OR REVIEWED BY OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL MECHANISMS AS WELL AS THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK. 
          NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES, WRITTEN POLICY, DEFINED USERS, ACCESS CONTROLS AND TRAINING. 
          OUR USERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE TRAINED ON THESE PLATFORMS BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE IT. 
          WE HAVE DATA RETENTION LIMITS. 
          ALL OF OUR DATA'S, UH, ONLY STORED FOR 30 DAYS, AND THEN IT'S PURGED. 
          WE HAVE AUDIT LOGS AND OVERSIGHT. 
          UM, WE SHARE SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC REQUEST ACT THAT THOSE AUDITS AND THOSE REPORTS. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE DISCLOSED A COUPLE JUST THIS MORNING, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          UM, WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON DATA SHARING. 
          UM, ALL OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES BASED ON SB 54 AND AB FOUR ARE PRECLUDED STATUTORILY FROM SHARING WITH ANY STATES OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA OR WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES. 
          SO WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT WHATSOEVER FOR THOSE IMMIGRATION, UM, UM, REQUIREMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE AGAIN, UH, OUR OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT GOVERNANCE. 
          OUR POLICIES APPROVED AND ARE REVIEWED BY OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY AS, AS SEEN BY OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S IN ATTENDANCE HERE TONIGHT. 
          WE WORK WITH OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING POLICIES AS WELL AS WE HEAR FROM THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PSAC AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'VE TAKEN THAT. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL HEAR LATER IN THE PRESENTATION ARE ABOUT SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST MEETING THAT WERE HEARD AND INCORPORATED AS WE UPDATED THE POLICIES. 
          SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU, WE HAVE OVERSIGHT THROUGH OUR COMMAND STAFF. 
          I'M REALLY PROUD THAT WHERE WE NEED TO, WHEN WE NEED TO, WE ADDRESS THINGS AND WE HOLD OURSELF ACCOUNTABLE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, 
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AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, WE HAVE ROLE-BASED ACCESS CONTROLS, SO CLEARLY NOT EVERYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF ACCESS. 
          I, AS THE POLICE CHIEF HAS MUCH MORE ACCESS AND AUDITING AND LOOKING INTO AND QUERYING THINGS THAN MY STAFF. 
          UM, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUERY THINGS. 
          WE HAVE SOME STAFF THAT, UM, CAN'T ACCESS THE PROGRAM WHATSOEVER BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO NEED TO. 
          UM, SUPERVISORY APPROVAL IS NOW A REQUIREMENT FOR HOT LISTING. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION AT THE LAST MEETING, AND WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE AUDITS, UM, AS PART OF THE SYSTEM'S USE REQUIREMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          IN TERMS OF TRAINING AND ACCOUNT ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, WE HAVE MANDATORY A LPR POLICY AND LEGAL TRAINING. 
          UM, EVERY OFFICER, EVERY USER IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW OUR POLICY AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT. 
          UM, WHEN WE DID OUR POLICY REVISIONS BASED ON THE LAST PSAC MEETING, UM, ALL STAFF HAS IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW THAT POLICY AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT, UM, PRIOR TO THEIR USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY. 
          UH, THERE'S SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR SYSTEMS SUCH AS FLOCK. 
          UM, FLOCK HAS A, AN ACADEMY, UM, THAT YOU GO THROUGH BASICALLY A TRAINING MATERIAL AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A TEST, UM, TO MAINTAIN YOUR CERTIFICATION. 
          UM, ALL SEARCHES ARE DOCUMENTED, UH, AND MUST BE FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE AUDIT IS LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE SEARCH, UM, AND ENSURING THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DONE PROPERLY. 
          AND, AND THERE WAS A, A NEED TO. 
          AND THEN ANY MISUSE IS TREATED SIMILAR TO A MISUSE OF KLUTZ, UM, WHICH IS CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM OR DMV DATA, UM, THAT IT CAN BE A CRIMINAL VIOLATION TO MISUSE KLUTZ. 
          UH, AND WHEN, WHEN ANY ONE OF, IF ANY OF OUR STAFF MISUSE ANY OF THE TECHNOLOGIES, THEN THERE IS A, UH, AN INVESTIGATION INTO THAT POTENTIAL MISCONDUCT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THEN DATA OWNERSHIP, RETENTION AND SECURITY. 
          UM, ALL A LPR DATA IS OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WHEN WE GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, UM, WE ARE THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORD AND WE FURNISH THOSE DOCUMENTS. 
          THOSE PRAS DON'T GO TO FLOCK OR VIGILANT OR, UM, TO AXON. 
          THEY COME STRAIGHT TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA TO OUR CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEN FILTER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN WE FURNISH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW. 
          UM, THE DATA THAT IS MAINTAINED, UH, IS ENCRYPTED, UH, IN US GOVERNMENT CLOUD, WHICH IS A COMPONENT OF CLUTZ, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR CONFIGURATION SET TO A 30 DAY AUTOMATIC DELETION, UM, UNLESS IT'S TIED TO, UH, AN INVESTIGATION. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TO MANUALLY GO IN AND, AND, UM, FLAG SOMETHING IF WE WERE GONNA KEEP IT FOR LONGER THAN THOSE 30 DAYS. 
          UH, AND ONE, UH, WE MAY KEEP SOMETHING LONGER IF THERE'S A LITIGATION HOLDER OR EVIDENCE RETENTION, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PER LAW. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, UM, SO I WON'T OVERLY BELABOR IT, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT DATA SHARING RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO THERE'S NO SHARING WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, INCLUDING IMMIGRATION, UH, ENFORCEMENT. 
          THERE'S NO SHARING OUTTA STATE. 
          UM, IN YEARS PAST, SOME OF THE PLATFORMS, UH, HAD IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, UM, WHERE YOU HAD TO REALLY BE CONCERTED ON MAKING SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T SHARING OUTTA STATE OR WITH ANOTHER AGENCY. 
          UM, SOME AGENCIES GOT THEMSELVES IN SO SOME HOT WATER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DOUBLE CHECK OR DIDN'T HAVE AWARENESS AND JUST WOULD ACCEPT THINGS AND DIDN'T, DIDN'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          UM, NOW EXPLICITLY, UH, FLOCK FOR IS ONE EXAMPLE, HAS DISABLED ANY ABILITY FOR THE USER TO SHARE OUT OF STATE WHATSOEVER OR WITHIN ANY, WITHIN WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES. 
          SO A CALIFORNIA AGENCY COULDN'T EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S PROHIBITED STATUTORILY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A MISDEMEANOR VIOLATION OR, UH, A CALIFORNIA AGENCY TO BE SHARING ANY, UM, SUCH INFORMATION, POTENTIALLY WITH AN OUT-OF-STATE AGENCY OR WITH A FEDERAL AGENCY, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE IMMIGRATION ISSUES. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE SHARE ONLY WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND WITHIN THE PLATFORM, THERE ARE MOU AGREEMENTS, WRITTEN AGREEMENTS COMPLIANT WITH SB 34. 
          UH, AN EXAMPLE IS DISPLAYED THERE, ONE OF THOSE DISCLAIMERS THAT TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS AND THE COMPLIANCE THAT YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH, UM, THE SHARING AGREEMENTS ON BOTH ENDS OF THAT AGREEMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO ONE OF 
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THE THINGS THAT WE DID AND WE HEARD, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING VERY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT, UM, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UH, IS WE'VE CREATED ON OUR CITY WEBSITE WITHIN OUR CITY TRANSPARENCY PAGE, A DEDICATED A LPR WEBPAGE. 
          SO EXPLAINING WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR A LPR PROGRAM, UM, CURRENT STATUS OF THAT HYBRID MODEL, AS WELL AS, UH, WE HAVE WHAT, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE DISPLAYED THERE OF, UH, PIEDMONT. 
          UM, WE HAVE A DEDICATED FLOCK SAFETY TRANSPARENCY PAGE SPECIFIC TO OUR FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          IT DISPLAYS, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, HOW MANY CAMERAS, WHAT THE SHARING AGENCIES THAT WE ARE SHARING INFORMATION WITH, UM, HOW MANY, UM, SCANS THERE ARE, WHAT THE PROHIBITED USES ARE, UM, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT LOOKS VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S DISPLAYED ON THERE. 
          UM, AND IT'S COMPLIANT, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. 
          AND THEN CONTINUING THROUGH THE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS THAT TONIGHT, UM, I THINK OUR INTENT IS TO PUT SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE PROVIDED HERE AND, AND LINKS TO THIS, THIS PRESENTATION ONTO THAT SAME PAGE, SO OTHERS CONTIN CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM THE DIALOGUE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THEN JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, UM, WE READ THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, FROM OCTOBER 25TH, AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT CAME IN, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. 
          AND OUR, NONE OF OUR APRS ARE EQUIPPED WITH ANY FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE. 
          UM, I WANNA REITERATE THAT THEY, THEY DO NOT, UM, DO ANYTHING OR HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO DO FACIAL RECOGNITION. 
          THEY'RE NOT USED TO TRACK INDIVIDUALS. 
          THEY'RE USED SOLELY FOR TRACKING LICENSE OR CAPTURING LICENSE PLATES, UM, WHICH PUT A POTENTIAL VEHICLE THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL INCIDENT AT A, UH, A GIVEN LOCATION, KIND OF LIKE A GEOLOCATION ON YOUR TELEPHONE OR YOUR MOBILE DEVICE. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT USED FOR GENERALIZED OR MASS SURVEILLANCE. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT USED FOR FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITIES. 
          AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT USED FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, WE DO NOT SHARE INFORMATION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE DO NOT USE THEM, UM, FOR ANY ANY TYPES OF IMMIGRATION USE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WE, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO SOME OF OUR FLOCK SAFETY, UM, OUTCOMES THAT WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED IN JUST THE RELATIVE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME, SOME CASES OF, OF NOTABLE USE. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A RECENT CARJACKING AND ROBBERY SUSPECT WHERE THE VEHICLES WERE SCANNED, UM, ON, ON THE CAMERAS, WHICH LED TO LATER THEIR SUBSEQUENT ARREST. 
          UM, IT WAS AN ARMED CARJACKING. 
          IT INVOLVED MULTIPLE SUSPECTS. 
          IT WAS A VIOLENT ASSAULT. 
          UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE INVESTIGATIVE LEADS WITHOUT THE, THE CAMERA READING AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE ULTIMATELY IDENTIFIED, UM, THE SUSPECTS BASED ON NOT HAVING THAT INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. 
          WE, UH, RECENTLY HAD A, A STOLEN VEHICLE THAT WAS, UH, RECOVERED. 
          ULTIMATELY, IT WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED AND LINKED TO MULTIPLE, UM, BURGLARIES, UM, THAT IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH. 
          UM, FROM LPR SCANS, WE ALSO HAVE FOUND A SUCCESS. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MISSING, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE A VARIETY OF BOTH MISSING INDIVIDUALS AT RISK AND MISSING ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS. 
          WE'VE SEEN, UM, SOME, NOT NECESSARILY SILVER ALERTS, BUT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT RISK, ELDERLY, UM, THAT, UM, BECOME DISORIENTED IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND LOST AND, UM, ARE AT RISK. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE COLD WEATHER RECENTLY, UH, IT IS INCUMBENT THAT WE'VE QUICKLY LOCATE THEM AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN, IN RECOVERING AND LOCATING THEM QUICKLY THROUGH USING THE TECHNOLOGY AND, UM, GETTING THEM SAFELY HOME. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME SUCCESS, UM, IN IDENTIFYING, UM, REPORTED RECKLESS DRIVERS ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SCALES. 
          ON ONE CASE, UM, WE HAD A, A REPEATED, UH, VEHICLE THAT WAS CALLED IN, UM, DRIVING RECKLESSLY. 
          UM, ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, UM, AT A GIVEN AREA, THE OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO USE THE LPRS AND IDENTIFY, UH, A POTENTIAL SUSPECT VEHICLE. 
          UM, IT ALSO WAS THEN IDENTIFIED TO BE IN A GIVEN GENERAL AREA. 
          AND SO, UM, IT LED TO, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A POTENTIAL SUSPECT, UM, WHO WAS A SUSPENDED, UH, UH, LICENSED DRIVER. 
          AND THEN LATER THEY WERE ULTIMATELY 
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SEEN DRIVING IN THEIR VEHICLE ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE, UM, WHICH HAD BEEN, I BELIEVE, SUSPENDED OVER LIKE 17 TIMES. 
          UM, AND THEY WERE STOPPED. 
          AND THEY HAD BEEN DRIVING VERY, VERY DANGEROUSLY ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS TIED TO ROAD RAGING INCIDENTS. 
          WE'VE SEEN OTHER RECKLESS DRIVING INCIDENTS WHERE VEHICLES HAVE HAD IMPOUND WARRANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE VEHICLE, AND WE'VE RECEIVED ALERTS, UM, TO STOP THOSE VEHICLES. 
          AND THESE ARE WANTED VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN THOSE, THOSE ARE FOR EVADING FOR SIDES SHOWS FOR RECKLESS DRIVING, SO VERY, VERY DANGEROUS, SERIOUS DRIVING. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT ASSOCIATED WHERE THE DRIVER'S NECESSARILY KNOWN. 
          IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE AN ARREST WARRANT CAN BE ISSUED FOR THE DRIVER, BUT IT'S WHERE THE VEHICLE'S SOLELY KNOWN. 
          AND WE'VE STOPPED AND, UM, UH, SEAT TOWED THOSE VEHICLES AND REMOVED THAT, THAT INSTRUMENT FROM THE, FROM THE ROADWAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, MORE RECENTLY, AND NOTABLY, WE'VE HAD A VERY PUBLIC UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT INVOLVING A HATE CRIME IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          AND SO WHILE THE, THE TECHNOLOGY WASN'T NECESSARILY, UM, USED IN THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUSPECT, IT WAS SOMETHING WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO LOCATE THE SUSPECT, UM, USED IN, IN ULTIMATELY DETERMINING THEY WERE, UM, HAD RECENTLY DRIVEN IN A CERTAIN AREA. 
          AND SO WE HAD AN ARREST WARRANT AT THAT TIME AND WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE THEM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THEY HAD JUST RECENTLY DRIVEN IN A GIVEN AREA AND GO INTO THAT AREA AND LOCATE THEM AND ARREST THEM AND BOOK THEM INTO COUNTY JAIL. 
          AND SO THEY WERE ULTIMATELY CHARGED WITH A FELONY HATE CRIME. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WAS A CASE THAT WE FELT BASED ON A VARIETY OF REASONS, THAT IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS INDIVIDUAL INTO CUSTODY BASED ON THE NATURE AND THE BEHAVIOR AND THE, AND WHAT THEY HAD DONE, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTING, UM, THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE TECHNOLOGY, FINDING IT INCREDIBLY USEFUL. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE JUST BARELY HAD THE, THE, THESE CAMERAS FOR I THINK FOUR MONTHS. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE LINE. 
          UM, SO SOME HIGH LEVEL TAKEAWAYS. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A LPR TECHNOLOGY FOR 20 YEARS. 
          WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DEMONSTRATED REALLY APPROPRIATE LAWFUL AND REASONABLE USE AND APPROPRIATE USE, UM, REASONABLE PUBLIC SAFETY UTILIZATION. 
          UM, UH, WE HAVE A HYBRID MODEL THAT REALLY IMPROVES AND ALLOWS US TO BE EFFECTIVE AND PURPOSEFUL WITH THE INTENT OF OUR USE. 
          WE, WE ARE MODELING THE LAWS AND THE POLICIES AND THROUGH OUR HYBRID OVERSIGHT MODEL, UM, HAVE, UM, PRIVACY AND CONCERNS AND, AND FEEL LIKE THERE'S ADEQUATE MEASURES, UM, ORGANIZATIONALLY TO, TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE. 
          AND THEN, UH, WORKING OUR BEST TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE, UM, AND BUILDING THOSE INTO THE PROGRAM. 
          AND CONTINUING, I THINK IS HOPEFULLY WE'RE DEMONSTRATING TONIGHT THAT WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE FEEDBACK AND EXPAND AND, AND IN AREAS WHERE WE MAY HAVE GAPS AND IMPROVE. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT FOR OUR PRESENTATION. 
          I'M GONNA OFFER THAT WE'VE ALSO INVITED AN ON THE CALL TONIGHT IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FLOCK SAFETY, LILY HO, WHO'S OUR ACCOUNT, UM, MANAGER. 
          SO SHE'S HERE AND WILLING TO FIELD SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          I WANTED TO ALSO GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE TO, TO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT LILY IS PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK SHE HAS SOME SLIDES AS WELL THAT MAY BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT SHE'S HERE, RECOGNIZING THAT WE ANTICIPATE MUCH OF THE FOCUS WILL PROBABLY BE ON HER ORGANIZATION AND HER PRODUCT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHIEF MILLER. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION ITEM. 
          UM, I THINK THAT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE SORT OF MAKE OUR COMMITTEE COMMENT, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TIME TO SORT OF HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, SO AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY. 
          I JUST GONNA BE A COUPLE MORE. 
          WAIT, I'LL JUST BREAK THE RULES. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          I'M SHANNON. 
          HERE'S MY PAPER. 
          YOU TAKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU SWEETHEART. 
          OF COURSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE. 
          YOU HAVE TO WAIT IN LEFT, SO JUST STAND THERE. 
          OH, WHAT'S LINE? 
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YOU'RE NUMBER SIX. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          I CAN WAIT. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          I'LL BE SIX. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO JUST TO SET UP, UH, OH, WAIT. 
          OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SO BASED ON THE STRUCTURE WE'VE SET UP BEFORE SEVEN TO 10 SPEAKERS, THAT EQUALS TWO MINUTES EACH. 
          EQUALLY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL CALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE ORDER THAT I RECEIVED THEM. 
          YOU GUYS CAN WALK UP TO THE PODIUM AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE A LPR, UM, PRESENTATION AND TOPIC THAT WE JUST HAD. 
          FIRST SPEAKER IS ROBIN RILEY. 
          HELLO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I WILL ABBREVIATE THIS, UH, GIVEN THE TIME LIMITS. 
          UH, HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK IN CONVENING TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND RESPONDING TO THE DISCUSSION IN OCTOBER. 
          MY NAME IS ROBIN. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ROBIN RILEY AND I'M HERE AS A VOLUNTEER CHAPTER LEADER WITH ACL NEW NORTHERN CALIFORNIA'S SONOMA COUNTY CHAPTER, AS WELL AS AS A LIAISON FOR THENO COUNTY CHAPTER OF DSA AND AS A, A FORMER MEMBER OF PETALS TECHNOLOGY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHEN WE EXPLORED, UH, THE USE OF APRS AMONG OTHER THINGS, UH, WITHIN DEPUTY CHIEF MILLER. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT WAS BACK IN 2022. 
          I'M ALSO HERE AS A QUEER AND TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUAL WHOSE CIVIL RIGHTS ARE BEING CURTAILED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS MANY AS WELL AS MANY STATE GOVERNMENTS. 
          YOU'RE RECEIVING A LOT OF GREAT INPUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE HERE TODAY AND IN WRITTEN COMMENT. 
          SO I'M GONNA BOTTOM LINE THIS AS BEST I CAN. 
          FLOCK. 
          APRS SPECIFICALLY ARE A NETWORKED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS ALREADY BEING ABUSED IN CALIFORNIA, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER WE TRUST OUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT OR NOT. 
          AND REGARDLESS OF ANY POLICIES OR PROTECTIONS THAT ARE PUT INTO PLACE, PPD, LIKE MANY AGENCIES WITH FLOCK DEPLOYMENTS, SHARES THEIR DATA AS DISCUSSED WITH OTHER AGENCIES ACROSS THE STATE ACCORDING TO THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE. 
          UH, THAT DATA IS SHARED RIGHT NOW WITH 204 OTHER AGENCIES. 
          THIS IN A STATE WHERE 34 AGENCIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOCUMENTED TO HAVE VIOLATED STATE LAW AND SHARED THAT DATA WITH OUTOF STATE AGENCIES, INCLUDING ICE AND AGENCIES IN STATES LIKE TEXAS THAT ARE OUTLAWING REPRODUCTIVE AND GENDER AFFIRMING CARE. 
          INDEED, ATTORNEY GENERAL BONTA IS SUING THE CITY OF EL CAJON FOR ACTIVELY IN PRESENT TENSE, VIOLATING STATE LAW AND SHARING SENSITIVE DATA WITH OUT-OF-STATE AGENCIES BACK TO THE 204 AGENCIES THAT, UH, PPD SHARES DATA WITH NOTING THAT SANTA ROSA, I THINK SHARES WITH OVER 300. 
          THIS IS COMMON PRACTICE. 
          ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES IS THE EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          OUR DATA IS ALREADY COMPROMISED. 
          ALL IT TAKES IS ONE BAD APPLE OR ONE BAD AGENCY IN A NETWORKED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE US ALL LESS SAFE. 
          THERE'S A REASON WHY SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY FEATURES SO SIGNIFICANTLY SO COMMONLY IN DYSTOPIAN NOVELS. 
          IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING TO BE FEARED IN A FREE SOCIETY. 
          YOU ARE BEING ASKED IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDER FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS TO AFFIRM THE CONTINUED USE OF ALPS. 
          I AM TELLING YOU, THEY ARE ALREADY BEING ABUSED IN OUR STATE. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THIS. 
          I ASK THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE INSTEAD ASKED PPD TO DISMANTLE THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM, ASK CITY COUNCIL TO END THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND THEN MOVE SWIFTLY TO ADOPT A SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY ORDINANCE LIKE THAT IN CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL. 
          BEAUTIFULLY SET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS ERIC LELAND. 
          UH, HI, I'M ERIC LELAND. 
          UM, I'M A FORMER MEMBER OF THE AD HOC, UH, COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH, UM, WHOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FORMED THIS COMMITTEE AND, UM, A LOT OF OTHER GREAT WORK. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UM, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS PUBLIC SAFE SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCONTINUE THE FLOCK CONTRACT AND TO REMOVE ALL FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          YOU HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PACKET, OVER 70 PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM MORE COMING IN. 
          THEY OVERWHELMINGLY CALL FOR DISCONTINUING PETALUMA CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND REMOVING THE INSECURE AND MASS SURVEILLANCE CAMERA NETWORK. 
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UM, THE COMMENTS CITE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES FROM RECENT INCIDENTS AND WITH FLOCK SYSTEMS COMPROMISED DATA AND HAVE CLEAR SECURITY GAPS. 
          UM, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT JUST BEFORE MINE, UH, EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE IN SOME DETAIL. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES INCLUDE ICE GAINING UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS. 
          THIS IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE THINK OF OUR LOCAL POLICE. 
          UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT OUR LOCAL POLICE DOES NOT WANT TO SHARE WITH ICE, BUT THIS ISN'T THEIR CHOICE. 
          UM, MANY COMMENTS ALSO CITE CRITICAL GAPS IN SWEEPING PROVISIONS IN THE FLOCK CONTRACT ITSELF, THAT PLACE DECISIONS ABOUT SECURITY OF MASS SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE UNDER FLOCK'S CONTROL RATHER THAN OUR TOWNS COMMENTS ALSO ADDRESS INACCURACIES AND MISSING INFORMATION IN THIS CITY'S INITIAL RESPONSES AND CONCERNS SHARED BY THIS COMMITTEE. 
          AND THE PUBLIC. 
          PREVIOUSLY COMMENTS ALSO REFERENCED A LACK OF A STRONG SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNITY SAFETY POLICY IN PETALUMA. 
          THIS IS A CRITICAL FOUNDATION FOR GUIDING CHOICES IN OUR TECHNOLOGY. 
          JUST THIS WEEK, IN FACT, THE FEEDBACK FROM, UH, OUR CITY COUNCIL SHARED CONCERN OVER PETALUMA'S ADOPTION OF AI TECHNOLOGIES GENERALLY AND REQUESTED MORE INFORMATION AND OVERSIGHT OF THESE CHOICES. 
          FLOCK IS AN AI TECHNOLOGY, IT'S PROCESSING IMAGES USING AI, AI TECHNOLOGIES THAT EMPOWER ALREADY INSECURE MASS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS AS A PARTICULAR CONCERN AS WE MIGHT MAYBE COMPOUNDING THE CHANCES FOR COMPROMISE TO THIS DATA COLLECTED. 
          SO FOR THE SAFETY OF PETALUMA AND PARTICULARLY TARGETED NEIGHBORS LIVING HERE, UM, THEY'RE AT STAKE. 
          OUR SAFETY'S AT STAKE, SO PLEASE ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCONTINUE FLOCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT UP IS MICHAEL TH TER TER. 
          HEY EVERYONE, MY NAME IS MICHAEL TITONE. 
          I WORK HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, WHAT WE NEED TO BE IS A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EXIST AND TO LIVE, AND NOT ANOTHER NODE IN AN INCREASINGLY AUTHORITARIAN STATE WHERE OUR DATA IS BEING, UM, USED IN WAYS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL OH, ALONG WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AND OTHER TYPES OF AGENCIES THAT HAVE NO REAL CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE AND NO REAL ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE PEOPLE. 
          UM, THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN PREVENT THIS IS TO STOP GIVING, UM, OUR, OUR OFFICERS AND THE FEDERAL OFFICERS IN PARTICULAR TOOLS THAT CAN BE ABUSED. 
          UM, YESTERDAY FLOCK PRESENTED AT ROAR PARK, UM, CITY COUNCIL, AND ALL WE REALLY GOT FROM THEM WAS, THIS IS HOW OUR UI WORKS, AND HERE'S A BUNCH OF PINKY PROMISES THAT WERE GOING TO NOT SHARE YOUR DATA WITH, UM, WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AND WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. 
          UM, THEY WENT AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT THEIR CAMERAS ARE NOT USED FOR SURVEILLANCE. 
          I THINK IF THEY CAN'T BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT THEIR CAMERAS ARE USED FOR, WE CAN'T TRUST THEM WITH THE MOST ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY SAY. 
          REALLY. 
          UM, THESE CAMERAS TRACK EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY, UH, HAVE COMMITTED ANY CRIME. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T TRUST FOX FUNDERS WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, THEY PAINT A PICTURE OF WHO THE COMPANY REALLY IS. 
          IT INCLUDES PETER THIEL, WHO CO-FOUNDED P PALANTIR, WHICH MAKES INTELLIGENCE TOOLS FOR ICE DHS AND THE PENTAGON WHO SAID, QUOTE, I NO LONGER BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ARE COMPATIBLE. 
          UM, THESE ARE PEOPLE, UM, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND THIS SYSTEM. 
          AND IT'S JUST DISGUSTING THAT, THAT OUR DATA, WE'RE TRUSTING THEM WITH, WITH OUR SAFETY WHEN THEY HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN PROTECTING US. 
          UM, FLOCK HAS BEEN DISHONEST ABOUT ITS WORKINGS WITH DHS. 
          IN AUGUST, FLOCK REVEALED THEY HAD A SECRET PILOT PROGRAM TO GIVE DHS DIRECT ACCESS TO CLIENTS DATA. 
          THEY HAD TO ISSUE AN APOLOGY FOR MISLEADING THEIR CUSTOMERS ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH DHS. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT IN TEXAS CO A COP SEARCH FLOCK'S DATABASE, UM, FOR A LICENSE PLATE OF A WOMAN WHO'D HAD AN ABORTION IN AN INVESTIGATION ABOUT THE DEATH OF HER ONBOARD FETUS. 
          UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY AT ROOKE PARK CITY COUNCIL AND FLOCK TRIED TO SAY THAT, UM, THAT THE POLICE WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THIS MISSING PERSON AND THEY HAD ENTERED ABORTION ACCIDENTALLY OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S JUST A LIE THERE, THERE'S A LONG INVESTIGATION OF IT. 
          AND THEY WERE INVESTIGATING THE DEATH OF HER UNBORN FETUS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          AND THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE ABUSER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR MILLER. 
          MAY I INTERRUPT? WE HAVE A LATE AD. 
          IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION IF YOU'D LIKE TO INCLUDE IT. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          NEXT UP IS REVELLE MAST. 
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HELLO COMMITTEE. 
          UM, CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          UH, MY NAME IS LL NAST. 
          YOU CAN REFER TO ME BY SHE OR THEY. 
          UM, I AM A RESIDENT OF PETALUMA, AS I HAVE BEEN THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE. 
          MY PARENTS OWN A HOME HERE AND I LIVE WITH THEM. 
          UM, I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FLOCK TECHNOLOGY SPECIFICALLY, UM, AND ASK THAT THE COMMITTEE ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL TO NOT RENEW THEIR CONTRACT OR CANCEL THEIR CONTRACT OUTRIGHT. 
          UH, I WAS THERE IN ROKE PARK YESTERDAY WHEN THE ROKE PARK CITY COUNCIL, UM, REDUCED THEIR DATA RETENTION FROM 365 DAYS TO 30 DAYS. 
          AND WHILE THAT IS GOOD AND MAY REDUCE SOME RISK, THE DATA AT POINT OF CAPTURE IS DANGEROUS AND IS BEING SHARED AND COULD BE DUPLICATED. 
          IT DOES NOT LIVE IN ONE PLACE. 
          IT IS IN THE CLOUD ON DIFFERENT SERVERS BEING SHARED BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARD EXPLANATIONS OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS, UH, HOW IT USES AND OH GOSH. 
          UM, AND AS, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, IT USES AI TO, UM, TAKE THE LIVE VIDEO STREAM AND CREATE CAPTURES OUT OF IT. 
          UM, BUT IS THERE A BACKDOOR TO THAT LIVE VIDEO FEED? UM, LOCAL POLICE SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT SHARE INFORMATION UNLESS THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW. 
          AND AS IS VERY CLEAR ON THE NATIONAL STAGE, UM, PEOPLE IN, IN POSITIONS OF POWER CAN A ABUSE THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE TO TARGET THEM. 
          UM, AND WE CANNOT CREATE THE DATA TO PUT THESE PEOPLE AT RISK BY CREATING THE DATA. 
          WE PUT PEOPLE AT RISK, UM, EVEN WITH THE BEST DATA RETENTION STANDARDS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT UP IS NINA IS ZITO. 
          THAT MAKES A LOT OF NOISE. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, CHIEF MILLER, AND THE REASSURANCE THAT IT'S ALL FOR THE GOOD, THAT ALL THESE DATA ARE BEING HARVESTED. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATED HEARING FROM THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER A REMINDER ABOUT HOW, UH, NATIONAL STANDARDS OF, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUSTICE HAVE BEEN UPENDED BY A CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND I'M NOT HEARING A WHOLE LOT YET ABOUT WHAT OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TAKING GOOD CARE OF US HERE AT HOME ARE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE, WE'RE UNDERMINED AND WASN'T THAT LONG AGO, WE HAD LIKE COAST GUARD AWARENESS DAY. 
          AND LET'S NOT FORGET WHO RUNS THE COAST GUARD, JUST UP THE STREET AT TRACY. 
          HERE'S, UM, MY CONCERN. 
          I'M NOT HEARING A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION OTHER THAN THIS REALLY NICE ANECDOTAL STUFF THAT I'M NOT SEEING IT IN, IN PREVIOUS REPORTS, 2004, 2003, ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THESE DATA HAVE GIVEN US IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS WHOLESALE, UH, AGGREGATION OF IRRELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT EVERYBODY WHO JUST PASSES THROUGH NO MATTER HOW LONG IT'S RETAINED. 
          SECONDLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, SONOMA COUNTY HAS, UM, THEIR OWN APRS ALSO BY AX, UH, NOT AXON, BY FLOCK PLACED, UH, WHOSE DATA ARE, ARE USED. 
          AND THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROTOCOL AROUND RETENTION AND USE. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SEEING WHERE THESE DATA ARE SUMMARIZED AND REPORTED. 
          SO MOVING FORWARD, UH, YOU WILL ELECT TO DO WHAT YOU WISH AROUND CONTINUING THIS POLICY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES AND GOD LOVE YOU. 
          BUT, UM, AS A CITIZEN AND SOMEONE WHO'S BEING SURVEYED AND AS SOMEONE WHO WATCHES, WHO KNOWS THAT SURVEILLANCE OF LIKE BIRDS NESTS MEAN THE EGGS DIE, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, LET'S TREAD REALLY CAREFULLY, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE COLLECTING ALL THIS DATA, I WANNA SEE THE NUMBERS. 
          I WANNA KNOW HOW THEY'RE ANALYZED. 
          I WANNA KNOW WHO'S VALIDATING THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT UP IS SHANNON. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          I'M SHANNON. 
          UM, I'VE LIVED IN THIS TOWN MY WHOLE LIFE AND ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT THIS TOWN IS WE ARE A FIERCE TOWN OF COMMUNITY. 
          WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BIG TIME. 
          AND NOT JUST PETALUMA, WE 
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TAKE CARE OF RP, WE TAKE CARE OF SANTA ROSA. 
          SONOMA COUNTY TAKES CARE OF EACH OTHER. 
          SO I'M WILDLY CONCERNED FOR MY NEIGHBORS, MY FRIENDS, MY STUDENTS, THE INDIVIDUALS I CARE FOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS. 
          I'M SO CONCERNED FOR THEM BECAUSE LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED. 
          THERE IS FOUL AND ILL USE WITH THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, 4 0 4 MEDIA PUT OUT A TECH. 
          IT WAS, IT'S A TECH FOCUSED NEWS OUTLET. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO BECAUSE I DO HEAR A LOT OF EUPHEMISTIC LANGUAGE AROUND THE CAMERAS. 
          HEY SHANNON, AND PART OF, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, CAN YOU ACTUALLY TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE? AND, AND, AND PART OF THAT IS REALLY HARD BECAUSE LIKE IT, THIS TOWN AGAIN, IT, THIS, THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING. 
          AND I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT SURVEILLANCE. 
          WHERE'S YOUR ALL JOB IN THIS COMMUNITY? THEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE WERE AUTO THEFT AND THE HATE CRIME, LIKE, AWESOME. 
          BUT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THAT GREATLY PRIOR TO THE FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          AND LET ME BRING THIS UP. 
          PETALUMA IS STATISTICALLY, I WANTED YOU GUYS TO DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PETALUMA'S STATISTICS ON CRIME, THE THEFT AND ALL THIS STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE WE ARE AT A NATIONAL BELOW AVERAGE IN PETALUMA. 
          THAT IS WHAT I KNOW. 
          BUT YET WE'RE REINFORCING A SYSTEM THAT IS EXTREMELY COSTLY AND THAT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR VITAL OTHER SERVICES AND TO REALLY CARE FOR PEOPLE HERE. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHERE'S THE EFFICACY IN THESE WA I I NEED DATA. 
          I NEED REAL DATA. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. 
          WELL, I WENT TO THE WEBSITE AND IT SAYS THAT THERE'S UNDISCLOSED, UM, SPOTS WHERE THESE CAMERAS ARE LIKE, DO WE GET TO KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE? DO Y ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST WONDERING, ASKING FOR A FRIEND HELOCK ME. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S NOT ON ANY WEBSITE THAT I SAW, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU SHANNON. 
          NEXT UP IS HANK STONE BREAKER. 
          HI, MY NAME'S HANK. 
          I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND I WAS A FIRST RESPONDER FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 
          I WORKED ON AMBULANCES FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. 
          UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS, UH, AS UH, SHANNON WAS SAYING, IT TOOK ME 20 SECONDS TO FIND OUT WHERE MOST OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS IN PETALUMA ARE. 
          I JUST GOOGLED THEM. 
          IT EVEN SHOWS WHICH WAY THEY'RE FACING. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLY EASY TO DEFEAT THAT SYSTEM. 
          UM, ALSO ACTS ON IN VIGILANT ARE NOT BEING ACCUSED IN WAYS LIKE FLOCK IS. 
          BUT CHIEF MILLER, YOU, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UM, EROSION OF PUBLIC TRUST AND PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST FLOCK FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          AND SO CONTINUING TO BACK FLOCK WILL ONLY GROW MISTRUST OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE ARE OTHER VENDORS AVAILABLE THAT IF A LPR IS CONSIDERED VITAL COULD BE USED IN THE, UH, IN REPLACEMENT OF FLOCK. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT UP IS ELENA LAMBERSON? YEAH, LAMBERSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          HELLO. 
          I'M GONNA TRY TO TALK FAST. 
          MY NAME'S ELENA LAMBERTON. 
          I LIVE IN SANTA ROSA. 
          I'M URGING THE COUNCIL TO TERMINATE THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SAFETY AND TO REMOVE ALL FLOCK CAMERAS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN PETALUMA. 
          TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          IT IS WITH A COMPANY THAT WE DO NOT TRUST. 
          UH, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE UPTICK IN FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          THERE ARE 200, AT LEAST IN SONOMA COUNTY, YOU CAN SEARCH AN ONLINE OPEN SOURCE MAP@DFLOCK.ME. 
          FLOCK HAS UP TO 80,000 CAMERAS ACROSS THE US. 
          THEY TRACK NOT ONLY LICENSE PLATES, BUT THEY TRACK CARS BASED ON PAINT JOB ITEMS IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK. 
          BUMPER STICKERS, DESPITE WHAT FLOCK SAYS ON THEIR WEBSITE, UH, IN FACT DOES HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION. 
          IT CAN TRACK PATTERNS OF MOVEMENT. 
          IT INTUITS WHO YOU ARE, WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU WORK, HOW LONG YOU'RE AWAY FROM HOME, AND SO MUCH MORE. 
          AND COMPILES IT ALL INTO AN EASILY SEARCHABLE NATIONWIDE DATABASE. 
          UH, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY A NECESSARY INTRUSIVE FORM OF SURVEILLANCE. 
          UH, CREATED AN AI ENHANCED MASS SURVEILLANCE STATE. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOTHING LIKE REGULAR FIXED TRAFFIC CAMERAS. 
          THEY ARE HIGH DEFINITION. 
          THEY CAN PAN AND ZOOM IN TO FOLLOW PEOPLE AS THEY WALK AROUND, ZOOM IN ON THEIR FACE ON THEIR PHONE, AND YOU CAN SEE EVEN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ON THEIR PHONE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN REPORTED IN ON, ON DEPTH FROM 4 0 4 MEDIA, BEN JORDAN, EYES ON FLOCK. 
          I URGE YOU TO GO AND LOOK AT THOSE SOURCES, UM, AND ALL OF THAT. 
          WHAT I JUST SAID IS AGAINST WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE PETALUMA 
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PD TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. 
          UM, ICE DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. 
          HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY ACCOUNTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT SHARING BACKDOOR FLOCK DATABASE INFO WITH ICE. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN HUGE DATA LEAKS FROM FLOCK, NOT ONLY SERVING AS EVIDENCE OF THEIR UNRELIABLE SECURITY, BUT ALSO HAS REVEALED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR DOCUMENTED REASONS FOR SEARCHING THE DATABASE HAVE INCLUDED LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ATTENDED NO KING'S PROTESTS, LOOKING FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE CROSSED STATE LINES TO GET ABORTIONS AND TO LOOK FOR IMMIGRANTS, WHICH IS AGAIN, AGAINST JUST IT'S ILLEGAL . 
          BUT THESE, UH, LEAKS, WHICH YOU SHOULD ALSO LOOK INTO HAVE PROVEN THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT UP IS JESSICA NELSON. 
          HOW DO Y'ALL, MY NAME IS JESS. 
          I'M A THIRD GENERATION PETAL LUMEN, UH, SPEAKING HERE AND AGAINST FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          UM, WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY'RE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. 
          THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE LIBERTY IN THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. 
          NOW THE PREAMBLE OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IS A KEYSTONE, THE FOUNDATIONAL BLOCK OF THIS NATION. 
          AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT PETER THIEL FUNDED COMPANIES LIKE FLOCK AND PALANTIR DO WORK DIRECTLY AGAINST. 
          UM, MASS SURVEILLANCE IN A AI CAN CIRCUMNAVIGATE LOCAL LAWS WITH JUST A KEYSTROKE. 
          I AGREE WITH AN EARLIER SPEAKER THAT SAID IT REMINDED THEM OF DYSTOPIAN NOVELS. 
          IT'S TERRIFYING IT. 
          NOW, CALIFORNIA IS A STATE THAT ALLOWS OUR UNDOCUMENTED FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TO HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSES. 
          NOW, STUDIES SHOW THIS HELPS ALL OF US. 
          IT RESULTS IN FEWER CRASHES, FEWER CAR RELATED DEATHS. 
          IT EVEN LOWERS OUR INSURANCE RATES NOW COLLECTING LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION, POTENTIALLY HANDS THEM OVER TO ICE ON A SILVER PLATTER AT A TIME WHEN MASKED FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ARE KIDNAPPING AND MURDERING WITH IMPUNITY. 
          IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. 
          NO MORE FLOCK CAMERAS IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          ABOLISH ICE. 
          LET'S GO'S GO ALL DAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE FOR ALL OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UM, I WILL JUST SAY THAT IF YOU WEREN'T HERE TO GIVE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT YOU WERE PART OF THE 70 PLUS PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, THEY ARE ALL HEARD, THEY'RE ALL LISTENED TO. 
          THEY ARE ALL READ. 
          WE TAKE THEM ALL VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          AND I WANNA PERSONALLY SAY I KNOW HOW MUCH DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT AND TRUST IT TAKES TO GET UP TO THAT MICROPHONE AND SAY SOMETHING. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND INFORMED CITIZENRY IS A BETTER COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT. 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          AT THIS POINT. 
          I WILL TRY TO BE FAST 'CAUSE I DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF TO STAY. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, UM, THAT OUR COMMITTEE THAT'S NOW BEEN IN EFFECT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW, UH, HAS BEEN ASKED TO AFFIRM ANY POLICE TECHNOLOGY OR, UH, ENDORSE ANY POLICIES. 
          AND, UM, BASED ON EVERYTHING I'VE LEARNED IN SINCE OCTOBER, UM, I CANNOT DO SO. 
          UH, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED AS THE PRESS DEMOCRAT RECENTLY REPORTED THIS WIDESPREAD REPORTS OF VULNERABIL VULNERABILITIES AND FLOCKS SYSTEMS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE NETWORK HAS BEEN USED IN THE IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN. 
          UM, IN CALIFORNIA, UH, DESPITE OUR SANCTUARY LAW, WE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BREACHING, WE'RE BREACHING, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, LEFT AND RIGHT. 
          UH, BETWEEN JUNE AND OCTOBER, 2025, STATE AGENCIES ACCESSED SANTA CRUZ CAMERA DATA ROUGHLY 4,000 TIMES ON BEHALF OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, INCLUDING ICE. 
          SANTA CRUZ RECENTLY CANCELED ITS CONTRACT WITH, WITH FLOCK BECAUSE OF THE GR OF THE BREACHES. 
          A 2025 AUDIT OF BERKELEY POLICE DEPARTMENT FLOCK DATA SHOWED AN UNNAMED EXTERNAL AGENCY ACCESS INFORMATION FOR FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. 
          IN JUNE, 2025, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACROSS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SHARED READER DATA WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AGENCIES. 
          MORE THAN A HUNDRED TIMES. 
          A REPORT FROM JULY, 2025 ALLEGES THE OAKLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT ALLOWED OTHER LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO SEARCH ITS LICENSE PLATE DATABASE FOR FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS MORE THAN 200 TIMES. 
          UM, I HAVE SITES FOR ALL OF THESE IF 
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ANYBODY NEEDS THEM. 
          UM, ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA RECENTLY SUED THE CITY OF EL CAJON FOR SHARING DATA WITH FEDERAL AND OUT-OF-STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. 
          TURNS OUT ON, UH, THE, THE PETALUMA'S TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, WE LIST THE MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN CALIFORNIA THAT WE SHARE OUR DATA WITH. 
          EL CAJON IS INCLUDED. 
          UM, THE CITIES OF CITY, UH, OF SAN FRANCISCO, OAKLAND, AND SAN JOSE ARE FACING LAWSUITS FOR USING THESE READERS. 
          EVEN IF THERE'S YET TO BE A BREACHING PETAL. 
          AS THE A CLU WROTE IN ITS AUGUST 20, 20, 20 25 REPORT, POLICY MAKERS NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN LOCAL SURVEILLANCE AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS MALEVOLENT ADMINISTRATIONS IN OTHER STATES ARE POROUS AND HARD TO MAINTAIN. 
          IF YOU COLLECT LOCAL DATA ON YOUR RESIDENTS COMINGS AND GOINGS, IT'LL BE HARD TO KEEP THAT FROM BEING USED IN UNINTENDED WAYS. 
          IN EXHIBIT A IN, UM, THE MATERIALS, UM, TODAY THAT WERE, UH, IN THE PACKET, UM, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO REFUTE FLOCK'S, INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY TO DISCLOSE DATA, UM, IN WRITING THAT OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF ALL A LP DATA REMAIN ENTIRELY WITH THE CITY. 
          BUT AS ERIC LELAND POINTED OUT IN HIS PUBLIC, UM, IN HIS WRITTEN PUBLIC CONTINENT, UM, SECTION 5.3 OF OUR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK PROVIDES SUBJECT TO AND DURING THE RETENTION PERIOD, FLOCK MAY ACCESS, USE, PRESERVE, AND OR DISCLOSE CUSTOMER DATA TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND OR THIRD PARTIES IF LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO SO. 
          OR IF FLOCK HAS A GOOD FAITH BELIEF THAT SUCH ACCESS, USE, PRESERVATION OR DISCLOSURE IS REASONABLY NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH BASICALLY ANYTHING. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE FLOCK HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DISCLOSE IF IT BELIEVES IT SHOULD. 
          THE BOTTOM LINE IN THIS POLITICAL CLIMATE, WE MUST BE EXTRA VIGILANT TO NOT EVEN INADVERTENTLY EXPOSE VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          WHEREABOUTS CAN WE REALLY TRUST FLOCK? AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A COMPANY PARTIALLY OWNED BY PETER THIEL TO KEEP OUR INFORMATION SAFE. 
          I KNOW THE READERS HAVE VALUE, BUT THE BENEFITS ARE JUST NOT WORTH THE THREAT TO OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS AND OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES. 
          I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT IT CANCELS THE CONTRACT. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO I'M MAYBE READING THE AGENDA WRONG FOR THIS EVENING. 
          I'M NOT UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE OR MAKE ANY RE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT ON ANYTHING. 
          IF WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE IZED FOR THE NEXT MEETING AS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          UM, AND CAN WE GET CLARITY ON THAT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'VE REVIEWED THE AGENDA AND IT IS SOLELY, THIS MEETING IS SOLELY FOR INFORMATIONAL AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES. 
          IT IS NOT AGENDIZED TO TAKE ANY ACTION AND BRING THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, THANK YOU JORDAN. 
          OR SORRY, MS. GREEN, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, SO I AGREE AND I APPRECIATE, AGREE WITH THE CHAIR AND APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYONE'S COMMENTS THIS EVENING. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS LIKE FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO TONIGHT. 
          UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT, UH, MONTH AS AN ACTION ITEM, UM, TO TAKE ACTION. 
          BUT TONIGHT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO. 
          UM, AND THE ACTIONS THAT ICE HAS HAVE TAKEN AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, AND THAT WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN DOING, UH, IN THIS COUNTRY IS UNACCEPTABLE. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT LINES UP WITH MY VALUES OR THE VALUES OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE OR THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT, UM, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING TONIGHT ABOUT THE FLOCK CONTRACT OR EVEN A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THAT, UM, DISCUSSION, UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, IF THE, IF THAT'S THE, THE DESIRE OF THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE, DO IT. 
          PLEASE GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I DON'T WANNA LOSE MOMENTUM ON THE FLOCK CONVERSATION, BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DUI, UH, CAMERA. 
          UM, THE DUI, THE CAMERA THAT SITS IN THE DUI VEHICLE, IS THAT VEHICLE USED DAILY AS, AS A DAILY PATROL VEHICLE IN ADDITION TO A DUI ENFORCEMENT VEHICLE? NO, THAT VEHICLE WAS PURCHASED THROUGH THE OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY GRANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO THAT VEHICLE WAS SOLELY USED FOR DUI ENFORCEMENT BY ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST SITS IN A LOT OTHERWISE, OR SITS IN, SITS SOMEWHERE UNUSED FOR, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, ON HIS DAYS OFF, NO ONE ELSE WAS DRIVING THAT VEHICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN ANOTHER, A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, FLOCK DATA. 
          SO CAN THE DATA BE DOWNLOADED TO A COMPUTER WITHIN THOSE 30 DAYS THAT WE RETAIN IT? COULD I, IF I WAS A PETAL AND POLICE OFFICER LOOK SOMETHING UP, IF I 
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DO IT WITH A LICENSE PLATE AND A DESCRIPTION THAT SEEMS VALID TO YOU GUYS, I LOOK IT UP, I'M WATCHING IT, AND THEN I CAN DOWNLOAD IT TO THE COMPUTER IN THE OFFICE AND THEN POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING WITH IT, THEN DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF IT HAS THE CAPABILITY TO LIKE, PERSONALLY DOWNLOAD IT TO THE DEVICE OR IF IT'S KIND OF STUCK IN A CLOUD? NO, THEY HAVE THE, THEY CAN DO SEARCHES AND LOOK FOR VEHICLE LICENSE PLATES IN A GIVEN, IN A GIVEN REGION. 
          NOW THEY CAN TAKE THAT AND BOOK IT IN EVIDENCE, BUT THEY CAN'T DO MASS DOWNLOADS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR, UM, UH, A PUBLIC COMMENT MADE ME AWARE OF THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH OVER 200 AGENCIES. 
          I KNEW WE WERE SHARING WITH OTHER AGENCIES. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONES OR HOW MANY, UM, IF IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD REDUCE OR TURN OURS OFF, BUT STILL RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF, OF SEEING OTHERS IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO CONTRACT? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS, HAS TO BE RECIPROCAL AND AND IN THAT WAY? YEAH, SO WE, WE ENABLE, UM, THE ABILITY TO SHARE WITH CALIFORNIA AGENCIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT IS, IT, I'M SURE THERE'S WAYS TO ISOLATE CERTAIN AGENCIES THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR FLOCK. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA SHARE WITH CERTAIN AGENCIES BASED ON, UH, OUR, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION. 
          UM, NOW WITH THAT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW THE INFORMATION IS SHARED. 
          UH, IF A VEHICLE IS IN PETALUMA AND PICKED UP BY ONE OF OUR A LPRS, THAT DATA IS MAINTAINED IN OUR NETWORK, WHICH MEANS THAT IF ANOTHER, IF A ANOTHER AGENCY IS SEARCHING A PLATE, THEN IT MAY SAY THAT THAT VEHICLE WAS IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, DOESN'T SAY THAT A PERSON WAS IN PETALUMA, AND THAT AGENCY DOESN'T ABSORB OUR INFORMATION. 
          IT'S MORE OF A CONFIRMATION OR A HIT NOTIFICATION, UM, THAT GIVES THAT AGENCY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIKE DO THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING ACCESS TO, LIKE, OUR INFORMATION IS NOW NOT STORED ON THEIR COMPUTER. 
          IT DOESN'T HOP. 
          IT'S, IT'S STILL OUR INFORMATION. 
          IT'S JUST CONFIRMING WHETHER OR NOT THAT VEHICLE IS IN CALIFORNIA OR, YOU KNOW, GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE, UM, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, OUR INFORMATION DOESN'T NOW BECOME THEIR INFORMATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, PRESENTATION, WHICH THANK YOU BY THE WAY. 
          UM, THERE WAS A PIECE ABOUT FINDING THE ELDERLY OR PEOPLE WHO ARE AT RISK. 
          IS THAT WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING IN THEIR CAR OR IS THAT, THAT THEY'RE ON THE STREET AND THERE'S A WAY TO CAPTURE IF THEY, IF THEIR FAMILY KNEW, SAY THEY WERE IN THIS GENERAL AREA. 
          CAN YOU GO IN AND JUST LOOK FOR A PERSON VERSUS A VEHICLE? NO, THE, THERE ARE APRS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, RECORD THEIR, THEIR VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEMS ALONG WITH APRS, KIND OF LIKE THE FLEET, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DUI CAR WHERE THEY, THEY'RE MULTIPURPOSE, THE ALPS, SPECIFICALLY THE FLOCK APRS THAT WE HAVE DO NOT DO THAT. 
          UM, SO IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ELDERLY PERSON, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY MOST SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AMBER ALERTS, UM, AND YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE NATIONAL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A VEHICLE BECAUSE OF, UH, A MAJOR RISK, RIGHT? A KIDNAPPED CHILD, AN ELDERLY PERSON THAT MAY HAVE DEMENTIA THAT TOOK A VEHICLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR INDIVIDUALS. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LICENSE PLATES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, EITHER THE PER THE PERSON THAT ABDUCTED THE INDIVIDUAL AND OR THE PERSON THAT WOULD DRIVE THAT VEHICLE. 
          AND AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST LEADS, UM, THAT REQUIRES, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERVENTION TO MAKE A STOP, TO MAKE A CONFIRMATION TO ULTIMATELY CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT A CRIME DID OCCUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR THAT PERSON'S IN THAT VEHICLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO THE LIST OF AGENCIES THAT WE SHARE THE DATA WITH CURRENTLY, THERE'S BEEN QUESTION OR BROUGHT UP ISSUES WITH EL CAJON AS BEING A CITY THAT'S IN THEORY SHARED OR, OR HAS VIOLATED THE RULES OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND SHARING WITH ICE. 
          UM, CAN WE MAKE IT AN A POLICY THAT GOING FORWARD OUR CITY WON'T SHARE ANY DATA WITH THOSE CITIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS VIOLATING THE RULES SO MUCH SO THAT THE AG IS GOING AFTER THEM? YEAH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. 
          THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE ORGANIZATION WOULD RETAIN, AND I THINK THAT'S FLOCK'S POSITION, IS YOU AS THE CUSTOMER RETAIN AUTONOMY OVER WHO YOU'RE SHARING DATA IS, UM, SHARED WITH. 
          AND THAT'S THEIR PLATFORM'S DECISION MAKING. 
          UM, FUNCTIONALITY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU NEED ME SOLO? YEAH, THE COUNCIL, IF I COULD JUST OFFER ONE MORE OTHER COMMENT. 
          I, THE ONE THING I I THINK THAT WE DIDN'T SHARE THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS ALSO JUST ADDED FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT IS, UM, THERE 
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ARE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ALPS, AND I KNOW, UM, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY THERE ARE APRS THAT ARE NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, UM, THAT YOU AS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY MEMBER CAN OWN AND OPERATE ON YOUR PROPERTY INDEPENDENT AND SHARE WHOM WITH WHOMEVER AND WITHOUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS OR COMPLIANCE ISSUES. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE ARE IN AREAS, BUSINESSES OWN AND OPERATE THOSE. 
          AND SO, UM, I JUST OFFER THAT FOR CONTEXT OF WHETHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE USING THOSE. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, SIMILARLY, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE HERE AT THIS DISCUSSION, UM, SPENDING A A LOT OF CONVERSATION TALKING ABOUT FLOCK AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT I'M, I'M ALSO JUST, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT. 
          UM, MUCH OF WHAT OUR SCANS ARE, UM, TO ONE OF THE EARLIER COMMENTS ARE FOCUSED ON OUR ENFORCEMENT FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND, UM, TOWING AND VEHICLE ABATEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, AND A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE FOUR CAMERAS THAT WE DO HAVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY COSTING, UM, COST $12,000, UM, A YEAR IS A VERY SMALL COMPONENT OF, OF WHAT, UH, OUR LPR PLATFORM IS, IS ENCOMPASSING OF. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF COUNCILMAN. 
          UM, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THAT, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT PERSONALLY OWNED FLOCK. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PERSONAL SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ARE IN PETALUMA THAT ARE THIS PARTICULAR BRAND OR COMPANY? DO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER? NOT NECESSARILY. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NECESSARILY HAVE DISCLOSE WITH US. 
          I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UM, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE REGION WHERE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS CAN HAVE THEM, BUSINESSES AND SHOPPING CENTERS CAN HAVE THEM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DEPENDS. 
          AND I THINK BASED ON THE SUBSCRIPTION OF THE RENEWALS, IT EBBS AND FLOWS. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW DEFINITIVELY. 
          I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WAS ALSO, UM, CURIOUS DEAR, UM, POWERPOINT DIDN'T LIST THE AMBER ALERTS WHEN THEY LISTED THE OTHER, AND I KNOW THAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED THAT THE AMBER ALERTS IS A WAY, YOU KNOW, TO READ BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SUSPECT'S LICENSE THEY LEFT IN THAT VEHICLE AND THAT'S VERY USEFUL, UM, WITH THE ELDER OR SILVER, I THINK IT WAS AN AIR TAG THAT ALERTED. 
          SO, UM, AN AIR TAG CAN EVEN BE ON A PHONE OR SOMETHING, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FLOCK CAMERA. 
          IT'S USEFUL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW I HAVE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS OUTSIDE AND INSIDE MY HOME AS, UH, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL 'CAUSE IT'S A SCARY WORLD. 
          AND, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THEM. 
          SO WHEN THERE WAS A, UM, A THEFT, AN AUTO THEFT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE TRIED TO TRACK THE, UM, MISSING VEHICLE THROUGH THE SURVEILLANCE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THEM. 
          UM, AS, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE BRING IT UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO RECONSIDER OUR, OUR FLOCK CONTRACT. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER COMPANIES DO THIS SAME SERVICE FOR CITIES, BUT HAVE A BETTER REPUTATION. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, UM, HOW WE CAN BETTER, I BELIEVE RUNNER PARK IS DOING LESS WITH THEIR CONTRACT AS, UM, BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MAYBE LEAVE THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THOSE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AS, UM, ALTERNATIVES. 
          SO THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          ONE THING THAT I, I CAN ADDRESS IS, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD OTHER FLOCK TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS VIGILANT, AND WE'RE ROLLING THOSE OUT, WE LOOKED AT FIXED, UM, LPRS FOR VIGILANT. 
          UM, THE, THEY WERE VERY, UH, FLOCK IS A COST EFFECTIVE MODEL, UM, THAT ALLOWS, UH, AGENCIES WITH SMALLER BUDGETS TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT LIMITED CAMERAS BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF A LEASE MODEL VERSUS THE OTHER PLATFORMS WERE VERY EXPENSIVE AND YOU HAD TO PURCHASE THE TECHNOLOGY AND THEN MAINTAIN THE TECHNOLOGY. 
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SO FLOCK, UM, THE, THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE OR THE, THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE NOW, ALSO, WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE ON A GRANT. 
          UM, AND THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NOT COST THE CITY OF PETALUMA ANY FUNDS, UM, THAT THEY WERE ACQUIRED THROUGH A, UH, A LOCAL GRANT. 
          SO, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT CONTRACT EXPIRES? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THE GRANT WAS ONLY FOR A A A TIME PERIOD. 
          YEAH, THE, THE CONTRACT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER OF 2027. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I GUESS I GET TO GO LAST, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I KNOW IT WAS A BIT OF A, A TWO-PARTER AND THAT WE STARTED IN OCTOBER AND THEN WE CONTINUE IT AGAIN NOW. 
          UM, I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS TOOK SOME OF THE INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE HERE AND ADDED THAT TO THE PRESENTATION AND ADDED THAT TO THE TRANSPARENCY WEBSITE. 
          UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE SORT OF TAKING THE FEEDBACK OF THIS COMMITTEE, UM, AND INCORPORATING THAT INTO POLICY. 
          UM, I GUESS MAYBE, MAYBE THE QUESTION OR CLARIFICATION I MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF IS THAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO AFFIRM THE POLICY USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? LIKE WE, THIS COMMITTEE DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OR OVERSIGHT TO TELL THE CITY COUNCIL WHAT CONTRACTS TO CANCEL OR TO APPROVE. 
          AND THIS COMMITTEE ALSO DOESN'T HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT TO TELL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT TECHNOLOGIES IT CAN OR CAN'T USE. 
          AND SO THIS POLICY IS, IS REALLY JUST SAYING, HEY, FLOCK IS HERE BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED ITS USE AND THIS IS OUR POLICY AROUND IT. 
          AND YOU'RE ASKING THIS COMMITTEE TO AFFIRM THAT POLICY AROUND IT, WHICH IS SEPARATE THAN THIS COMMITTEE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD INVESTIGATE WHETHER IT WANTS TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCKER, IS MY SORT OF UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, VERY MUCH SO. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION LAST, UH, MEETING ABOUT APPROPRIATE USES, AUTHORIZED USES, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, HOT LISTING, UH, ET CETERA. 
          AND SO ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT TO THIS WAS OUR INTERNAL POLICIES. 
          UH, WE'VE MADE, UH, UPDATES REGARDING THAT TO ADD CLARIFICATIONS, UH, ADD AS DE UH, DETAIL AND CLARIFICATIONS ON AUTHORIZED USERS ARE EXPLICITLY OUTLINED IN OUR POLICY NOW. 
          HOT LISTING PROCEDURES ARE IN THERE, UM, BETTER CLARIFICATION ON, UM, REPORTING AND AUDITING AND INTERVALS AND ET CETERA. 
          AND SO WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK IN THAT TO REALLY ADD THAT DETAIL AND MAKE IT, UM, UM, VERY CLEAR IN THERE AS WELL AS THAT'S NOW PUBLICLY AVAILABLE 'CAUSE THAT POLICY'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL AVAILABLE THROUGH THAT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL AS WELL. 
          AND THAT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL PAGE IS ALL NEW. 
          THAT WASN'T SOMETHING EVER THAT HAD BEEN IN EXISTENCE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUST THE POLICY WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, SINCE REQUIRED IN 2015 PLACED ON THE WEBSITE STANDALONE. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THINGS IN, IN THAT, UH, UH, AREA. 
          SO YES, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THERE, I THINK WE WANTED TO BE RECEPTIVE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'RE LISTENING AND WE HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTARY AND ARE MAKING CHANGES AND BRING BACK THAT AS WELL AS, UM, HAVE THE DISCUSSION. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T GET TO FINISH THE CONVERSATION IN THE LAST MEETING. 
          UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, AGAIN, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FLOCK IS HERE IF YOU WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR SECURITY SYSTEMS AND CONCERNS ABOUT BREACHES AND OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDIA AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE INVITED THEM HERE AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK, UH, THOSE DIRECT QUESTIONS OF THEM THAT ARE PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO ANSWER RATHER THAN FOR ME. 
          UM, JUST OFFERING THAT AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK, ASK THEM DIRECTLY. 
          GO AHEAD JORDAN. 
          SORRY, , I JUST CLARIFY THAT WHILE THE STAFF REPORT AT THE END DOES SAY TO AFFIRM THAT IT WAS NOT AICE THAT WAY, SO FOR THIS MEETING, WE WOULD JUST ASK THE, FOR IT TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM, WHICH IS HOW IT'S AGENDIZED. 
          WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS, GATHER INFORMATION, AND IF YOU WANNA PUT IT ON FOR A FUTURE MEETING TO DISCUSS WHETHER YOU WANNA PROVIDE YOUR ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL, WE COULD DO SO. 
          BUT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS MEETING, WE WOULD ASK TO FOLLOW THE BROWN ACT AND JUST DISCUSS IT. 
          SO THIS MEETING WAS ALSO, 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON, WHICH IS SORT OF FLOCK AND RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND RECOMMENDATIONS TO GIVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IF IT SHOULD INVESTIGATE ITS USE 
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AND MAKE A DETERMINATION ON CONTRACT RENEWAL. 
          AND THEN THERE IS THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF'S POLICY AROUND HOW THEY'RE USING THESE TECHNOLOGIES AND TOOLS THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS IF FLOCK SHOULD EXIST OR NOT. 
          THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          WAS THIS MEETING AGENDIZED TO HAVE AN AFFIRMATION ROLL CALL ON THE POLICY, NOT THE, NOT THE CONTRACT OF FLOCK, BUT JUST THE POLICY THAT THE PATO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS PUT AROUND IT? GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING AND IT WAS NOT AGENDA THAT WAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          IF IT'S OKAY. 
          O ONLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT ONLY, AND THE REASON WHY I WAS CONFUSED, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IN OUR MATERIALS AND IT DOES SAY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ALL, ALL, ALL THE STUFF ABOUT FLOCK THAT THE, UM, I'M SO SORRY. 
          OH MY GOSH, NOW I'M FORGETTING IT. 
          OH YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT OUR COMMITTEE AFFIRM THE CONTINUED USE OF AUTOMATIC AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ACTUAL LIKE IN, IN HERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT ASTRAY. 
          SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT IT, BUT IT WAS NOT AGENDA THAT WAY. 
          I GOT IT. 
          I TOTALLY GOT IT. 
          AND IT WOULD VIOLATE THE BROWN ACTION, SO, OKAY. 
          BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FLOCK PERSON. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE JUST REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE EXTEND VOTE TO EXTEND THE MEETING 15 MINUTES? I SECOND. 
          SO JUST SO THE PUBLIC'S AWARE ARE, ARE, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO GO TILL SEVEN 30, AND THEN IN ORDER TO GO PAST THAT WE HAVE TO ADD 15 MORE MINUTES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS NOT TO JUST FILIBUSTER OR CUT OFF ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SORRY. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND JUST THE, UM, WHERE IS IS THE FLOCK PERSON ON? UM, CAMERON, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT FIRST. 
          HI . 
          SO WE, WE JUST NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE ON EXTENDING THE MEETING 15 MINUTES FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          MACIAS. 
          YES. 
          NEY. 
          YES. 
          MILLER? YES. 
          OSLER. 
          YES. 
          SULLIVAN. 
          YES. 
          AND NOW, YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD, . 
          UM, AGAIN, SORRY THAT I'M BEING LONG-WINDED. 
          IT'S ALRIGHT. 
          UM, I, I THINK YOU WERE THE PERSON WHO WAS, WAS AT RENO PARK LAST NIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO DID I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT SOMEONE, SOMEONE GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ACTUALLY BEING A VICTIM OF A CRIME AND WANTING, UH, WANTING THE FLOCK CAMERAS LIKE KIND OF DATA AROUND WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT, UH, IT TURNED OUT THAT FLOCK SAID THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. 
          DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? FROM WHAT I RECALL FROM HELLO COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. 
          UM, FROM WHAT I RECALL FROM THAT CONVERSATION, IT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTER HAD WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND HE HAD ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FLOCK FOOTAGE AND THEY DECLINED, BUT, UH, WAS NOT FLOCK WHO SAID NO TO HIM. 
          WE'RE ALL I KNOW IS WHAT, WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS THERE THAT NIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S ONLY MY FAINT RECOLLECTION. 
          WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO BE SHARING THE DATA TO VICTIMS. WE ARE ONLY, WE, WE ARE A VENDOR TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES CHOOSE WHO THEY SHARE AND HOW THEY SHARE, UM, THEIR DATA AND THEIR FOOTAGES. 
          MAY I HAVE A FOLLOW UP? SO CHIEF, IF THAT HAPPENED HERE, IF THERE WAS SOME, MAYBE POTENTIALLY A CAMERA SAW EVIDENCE OF A CRIME AND THE CRIME VICTIM WANTED IT FROM THE POLICE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET IT? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE, WE WOULD, THAT THAT IMAGE WOULD BE PART OF THE CASE FILE AND THE CASE FILE WOULD BE PART OF THE EVIDENTIARY PACKET. 
          AND SO THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THOSE THINGS TO BECOME DISCOVERABLE AND FOLLOW OUR NORMAL RECORDS, RELEASE PRACTICES AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. 
          AND WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THOSE, THOSE THINGS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING OUR PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES AND BEING COMPLIANT THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME WAY THAT WE WOULD DO AS FAR AS ANY, ANY PIECE OF EVIDENCE OR INVESTIGATIVE MATERIAL. 
          UM, WE WOULDN'T TREAT THAT DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER PRODUCT IN, IN THAT, THAT PIECE. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, LILY HO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, HANGING OUT FOR THIS RATHER LONG MEETING AND AND BEING AVAILABLE FOR, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR THE, THE CITIES CAN CHOOSE WHO FLOCK 
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IS ALLOWED TO SHARE THEIR DATA WITH. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IN THE, IN TERMS OF OTHER CITIES OR OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS, YES. 
          CUSTOMERS OWN THE DATA, CUSTOMERS RETAIN THE RIGHT TO SHARE WHOM THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IT WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS A CITIZEN OR A DRIVER, DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY OF OPTING OUT OR SHIELDING YOURSELF FROM THAT DATA BEING SHARED? OUR CAMERAS OPERATE ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS. 
          THEY ARE TAKING PHOTOS OF VEHICLES ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY. 
          THEY'RE TYPICALLY MOUNTED ON A MUNICIPAL POLE. 
          UM, AND NO, THERE IS NO WAY FOR A CITIZEN TO OPT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR ANSWERING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, LILY, UM, CARRIE, NOW CITY COUNCIL AND I, ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WAS ABOUT AI. 
          HOW DOES FLOCK COMPANY USE THAT FOOTAGE IN, OR AI, I'M, I'M GRASPING IT, WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THE, THE DATA OR HOW IT'S USED IN AI? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, SO WHEN A POLICE, UH, WE, WE ALLOW FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO CREATE A CUSTOM HOT LIST. 
          SO IT COULD BE THE VEHICLE STOLEN IN YOUR TOWN AND THEY WOULD ENTER THE POLICE, UH, THEY WOULD ENTER THE LICENSE PLATE OF THAT VEHICLE SO THAT WHEN IT, UH, WHEN THAT VEHICLE PASSES ANOTHER FLOCK CAMERA, THEY'RE NOTIFIED OF IT WITHIN SECONDS. 
          OFTEN WITHIN A SITUATION OF A CRIME, THE VICTIM MAY NOT REMEMBER THE FULL LICENSE PLATE. 
          MAYBE THEY REMEMBER A PARTIAL PLATE. 
          UM, MOST LIKELY THEY MAY BE ABLE TO REMEMBER CHARACTERISTICS OF THE VEHICLE. 
          AND THIS IS PARTICULAR TO FLOCK TECHNOLOGY. 
          WE CALL IT THE VEHICLE FINGERPRINT. 
          IT ALLOWS, UH, POLICE OFFICERS TO ENTER A, THE DESCRIPTION OF A VEHICLE, MAYBE IT'S A WHITE SEDAN OR MAYBE IT'S A MINIVAN WITH A PICKUP TRUCK, WITH A BIKE RACK, MAYBE THE COLOR OF THE VEHICLE. 
          OUR AI, OUR MACHINE LEARNING SYSTEM, UM, IDENTIFIES THE MAKE AND MODELS OF VEHICLES AND VEHICLES MODELS WILL CHANGE OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS. 
          SO THEY CAN PUT IN A CAMRY AND IT'LL PULL UP ALL OF THE CAMRY OF RECENT YEARS. 
          AND IF IT'S A SPECIFIC YEAR OF A CAMRY, IT'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND ALSO, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY PERSONAL OR BUSINESSES ARE USING YOUR FLOCK SYSTEM IN OUR TOWN OF PETALUMA? I, I DO NOT MA'AM. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS. 
          THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UH, TWO VOTES FOR THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF OUR NEXT AGENDA. 
          ONE WOULD BE IF WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO OUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA, A RECOMMENDATION TO GIVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON FLOCK CONTRACT USAGE OR EXTENSION OR CANCELLATION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A VOTE ON FOR OUR NEXT AGENDIZED MEETING, A VOTE TO AFFIRM OR NOT AFFIRM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICY AROUND AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, AS TO THE FORMER YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AS TO THE LATTER, I DON'T, I MEAN I, I'VE SEEN THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT THE POLICY. 
          I'M NOT REALLY QUITE ABOUT THE USE OF IT. 
          UM, I MEAN IT'S THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, IT'S SLIM PICKENS. 
          I JUST DON'T, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD BE AFFIRMING THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE SORT OF PUT THIS PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF US TO GET THAT AFFIRMATION FROM US. 
          IF WE, IF THEY HAVE SORT OF SUCCESSFULLY WRAPPED A POLICY AROUND THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT MEETS THE, UH, PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY, UM, UH, GOVERNANCE AND OPERATIONAL SAFETY THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN FLOCKER AND WHETHER THAT COMPANY CAN BE TRUSTED WITH DATA. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE THE TWO INTO FLOCK. 
          AND IT'S SORT OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT CONTRACT SHOULD BE EXTENDED. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT IS NOT A DECISION WE CAN MAKE HERE, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST PUT ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO SORT OF THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE 
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DEPARTMENT HAS SHARED WITH US THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH IS, WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE US TO AFFIRM, WHICH IS THEIR INTERPRETATION AND ATTEMPT TO CREATE POLICY AROUND THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN AND ASKED TO USE. 
          IF I CAN ADD REAL QUICK, THE, THE POLICY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, UM, IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THAN THE POLICY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE OCTOBER AGENDA. 
          WE TOOK YOUR FEEDBACK AND, AND MAYBE THE, THE LANGUAGE AND THE FURTHER RECOMMENDATION, UM, SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR. 
          BUT THE INTENT WAS IS THAT WE AS A, AS A COMMAND STAFF TOOK YOUR FEEDBACK, LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES, AND WE ENHANCED THAT TO ENSURE THAT ONE, WE WERE, UM, HAD THE BEST PRACTICES, THE HIGHEST STANDARDS, WE WERE BEING TRANSPARENT, AND THAT IT WAS CODIFIED IN OUR, OUR CURRENT POLICY MANUAL. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT POLICY IS BASICALLY ENCOMPASSING THE FEEDBACK THAT THIS COMMITTEE PROVIDED US BACK IN OCTOBER. 
          AND, AND THE FURTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST ASKING THE COMMITTEE, UM, TO REVIEW THAT POLICY TO ENSURE THAT WE CAPTURED THAT AND THAT WE ARE ADHERING TO BEST PRACTICES. 
          BUT THAT POLICY WAS DERIVED BASED ON, ON OUR DIALOGUE HERE. 
          SO MR. CHAIR, I WOULD SECOND YOUR MOTION TO HAVE BOTH THOSE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          READY FOR A ROLL CALL? VOTE MACIAS. 
          YES. 
          KI YES. 
          MILLER? YES. 
          OSLER? YES. 
          SULLIVAN? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE PUBLIC, THAT AT LEAST GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE AGENDAS MEETING FOR FEBRUARY THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT FLOCK AND ITS USE AND ITS CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. 
          AGAIN, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHAT IT DECIDES. 
          WE ARE ONLY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO WE DON'T GET TO, ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE IF IT'S IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO CONTINUE THIS CONTRACT. 
          BUT AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT AGENDA WITH THE NEXT MEETING WITHOUT IN THE AGENDA, WE CAN HAVE THAT. 
          AND WE CAN ALSO, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE TO WRAP A POLICY AROUND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE, WE CAN OFFICIALLY SORT OF AFFIRM IF THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND DONE THEIR BEST TO SORT OF WRAP A POLICY AROUND IT THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT ALL OF US SITTING HERE, UM, EXPECT FROM OUR, UM, PUBLIC SERVANTS. 
          SO, SO CHAIR MILLER, BEFORE WE MOVE OFF THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT STAFF CAN PREPARE, UM, FOR THAT. 
          UM, AGENDIZED ITEM IS, IS THE COMMITTEE, UM, JUST PLANNING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ONCE IT'S AGENDIZED OR, OR IS THE REQUEST FOR STAFF TO BRING A PRESENTATION? I THINK WE HEARD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVES OR OPTIONS. 
          UM, STAFF IS OPEN TO EXPLORING THOSE AND BRINGING THAT BACK. 
          I DON'T KNOW, UM, UH, WITH, WITH THE TIME TURNAROUND TIME TO WHAT EXTENT, UM, ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO EVALUATE AND BRING SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS FORWARD. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MANAGE EXPECTATIONS AND, AND HEAR IF THERE'S DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THAT MEETING. 
          I THINK, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO MEETINGS ABOUT THE POLICY, SO I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU GUYS IN A POSITION TO HAVE TO GO OVER THE POLICY AGAIN. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE PUTTING THAT PART OF IT ON SO THAT WE CAN OFFICIALLY SORT OF HAVE A, A VOTE ON IT THAT WE COULDN'T DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WASN'T AGENDIZED. 
          I DO THINK THE COUNCIL, UH, BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT THAT IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO FLOCK, UM, THAT LETS US, OR IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE DATA RETENTION, LIKE IF YOU GUYS CAN PRESENT TO US OPTIONS, THEN AS WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WE CAN AT LEAST DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON HERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVES, UM, THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER. 
          SURE. 
          NOT, NOT A PROBLEM. 
          WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THOSE ARE AND REFLECT ON THE COMMENTS FROM TONIGHT AND WE'LL, UH, PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR YOU. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT WE LIKE COSTS AND WE HAVE BUDGET SEASON COMING UP, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING THIS FLOCK FOR FREE MORE OR LESS FROM A GRANT. 
          SO WHAT IT WOULD BE THE COST TO THE CITY, UM, IT'S ONLY ONE THIRD, I BELIEVE OF ALL OUR, I'M GONNA GET ALL THE LETTERS, BUT SURVEILLANCE WE ONLY USE ONE THIRD IS THE FLOCK CONTRACT, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, THREE LPR SYSTEMS. OKAY. 
          AND FLOCK IS ONE OF THE THREE. 
          SO THAT'S 
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WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COSTS. 
          UH, REAL QUICK, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR FOR NEXT MEETING, UM, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON THE APRS, WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL ON WHAT WE HAVE ON THERE NOW, WHICH IS BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS AND, UM, RECRUITMENT, UH, ALONG WITH BODY WORN CAMERA. 
          SO MR. CHAIR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, UH, PRESENTATION, BUT FOREGO THE RECRUITMENT RETENTION, BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, PUSH THAT TO A LATER MONTH. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UM, THAT BETWEEN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND THEN THIS OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT WILL BE A BIG ENOUGH AGENDA. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO MOVING QUICKLY NOW BECAUSE WE ARE JUST DOWN TO A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE? WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE'RE GONNA QUICKLY MOVE OFF FROM THAT AND MOVE TO IPA COMMENT, UM, 
          [IPA COMMENT]
CALL ON THE INDEPENDENT PUBLIC AUDITOR, PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY STATS, INTRODUCED DENISE LEWIS AND JEFF SCHLANGER FROM ENTER AZURE. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR GIVING YOU GUYS SUCH SHORT TIME LEFT, BUT LET'S BE BRIEF. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          DENISE IS GONNA GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU SHOULD HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I'LL QUICKLY JUST A REMINDER THAT THE, UM, THE INFORMATION HERE, BECAUSE WE IS, UH, WE'RE IN JANUARY REPORTING DECEMBER, AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE PSEC MEETING FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH DECEMBER, BUT YOU HAVE ACCESS THERE TO THE NUMBERS FOR THE WHOLE, UM, THE REST OF THE YEAR. 
          SO DECEMBER, THERE WERE SIX NEW USES OF FORCE, ONE NEW PURSUIT AND NO COMPLAINTS. 
          UH, THERE ARE PENDING CASES FOR USE OF FORCE 12 PENDING CASES, AND THERE WERE SEVEN REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, 13 REVIEWED BY US FROM PRIOR MONTHS. 
          AND THERE WERE TWO ACAS WITH REMINDER. 
          THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION ACRONYM. 
          WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS, THERE WERE TWO PENDING AND ONE, UH, THREE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, FOUR BY US, AND THERE WERE ZERO ACAS. 
          NO, NO. 
          AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION NECESSARY WITH REGARD TO COMPLAINTS, THERE WERE 10 THAT WERE PENDING FROM A PRIOR PERIOD. 
          AS I SAID, NO NEW COMPLAINTS. 
          THERE WERE THREE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND NONE OF THOSE WERE REVIEWED BY US, SO THERE WERE NO ACAS. 
          AND THEN THE, THE TOTALS THERE, UM, AND THE NEXT REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ACAS WILL BE TOTALED. 
          THERE'S DASHES IN THERE NOW AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE. 
          AND REALLY THAT'S IT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE INCIDENTS. 
          WE REVIEW ALL USE OF FORCE PURSUITS AND COMPLAINTS. 
          WE MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT, UM, ABOUT EVERY OTHER, UH, WEEK, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WILL BE COMING TO IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND FINISHING UP A DATA AUDIT. 
          60 SECONDS FLAT. 
          THANK YOU, DENISE. 
          UM, , IF, IF POSSIBLE, UM, BECAUSE I, I DID HEAR AN AUDIBLE GASP FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THE NUMBER OF USES OF FORCE. 
          THE TERM USE OF FORCE IS A BROAD CONTINUUM OF VERBAL COMMANDS ALL THE WAY UP TO BRANDISHING A, A WEAPON. 
          IF YOU CAN DE UH, EITHER THE CHIEF, DEPUTY, CHIEF OR LIEUTENANT GIVE JUST A QUICK EXPLANATION SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T JUST THINK IT'S THE POLICE OFFICERS BRUTALIZING THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S A BROAD CONTINUUM, CONTINUUM OF THINGS. 
          NOT JUST USING THEIR GUN OR STUN, GUN, YOU KNOW, TASERS OR WHATEVER RIGHT. 
          EUPHEMISTICALLY, WHICH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T NOT INCLUDE VERBAL COMMANDS, BUT IT, UM, IT, IT'S A TACTIC. 
          A VERBAL COMMAND CAN BE A TACTIC USED, BUT IT'S NOT A CONSIDERED A USE OF FORCE UNLESS THEY PUT THEIR HANDS ON. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF FORCE, MANY FROM JUST HAVING TO GRAB SOMEONE TO PUT HANDCUFFS ON ALL THE WAY UP TO USE USING DEADLY FORCE AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. 
          AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO INCIDENTS OF DEADLY FORCE NEEDING TO BE USED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DENISE. 
          THANK YOU JEFF. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, LAST 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
UP WE HAVE STAFF COMMENT, CHIEF MILLER, UM, STAFF, ARE THERE ANY LAST COMMENTS? YEAH, BEING MINDFUL OF TIME. 
          UH, WE HAD, WE HAD A NUMBER OF OTHER UPDATES, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY IS THAT, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S VACANCIES FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, UH, COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS WITHIN THE CITIES SUCH AS THE CLIMATE ACTION C COMMITTEE, HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. 
          THIS COMMITTEE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THE SONOMA COUNTY LIBRARY COMMISSION, THOSE RECRUITMENTS ARE CURRENTLY OPEN THROUGH FEBRUARY 19TH. 
          SO FOR THIS ONE, THERE'S ONE SEAT, UH, THAT'S A LIMITED 
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TERM THROUGH JULY, AND THEN THEY'LL BE, UH, ADDITIONAL SEATS FOR THE TWO YEAR TERM ASSIGNMENTS THAT I BELIEVE ARE COMING OPEN, UM, IN JULY FOR MULTIPLE VACANCIES THERE. 
          JULY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A SIGN IF YOU'RE ALSO, IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, RIGHT ON THE BACK DOOR, UM, AND YOU CAN APPLY ON THE WEBSITE. 
          THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE AND HELP, UM, WE DEFINITELY COULD USE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:47 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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