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MOTOR.[CALL TO ORDER]
YEAH.WELCOME TO THE, UH, FEBRUARY 4TH EDITION OF THE PETALUMA PEDESTRIAN, UH, BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
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TAKE ROLL.[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT.DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES.
TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COMMITTEE'S DISCRETION.
UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE ONE.
UH, MAY I ASK THAT, UH, IS IT MELISSA ABERCROMBIE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I'M HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WORKING ON THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION SPECIFIC PLAN PROJECT.
I KNOW BJORN'S LET ME KNOW THAT HE REACHED OUT TO YOU ALL THROUGH EMAIL, GIVING YOU A LITTLE INFO ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, AND HOPING TO INSPIRE YOUR INTEREST IN IT.
THE CITY OF PETALUMA HAS BEGUN OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS AND SUPPORTED THE PLAN.
IT'S A TRANSFORMATIVE PLANNING INITIATIVE AIMED AT ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND COMMUNITY LIVING AROUND THE PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION AND THROUGHOUT THE MCDOWELL BOULEVARD CORRIDOR.
THE PROJECT REPRESENTS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A MIDSIZE TRANSIT ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR VISION FOR SMART GROWTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.
IT IS FOCUSED ON A PLANNING EFFORT TO GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, INVESTMENT, AND COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA AROUND THE RECENTLY OPEN SMART STATION.
THE 11 ACRES, 1100 ACRE SITE WAS DESIGNATED BY THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, MTC AS A PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THE PETALUMA NORTH PDA REPRESENTS PRESENTLY A MIX OF BUSINESS PARTS, INDUSTRIAL USES, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES ALONG MCDOWELL BOULEVARD.
YOU'LL OFTEN SEE IT AS KIND OF A THOROUGHFARE.
EVERYBODY'S GOING SOMEWHERE THERE.
AND NOW WE HAVE PUT ON THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THIS IN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION RIGHT THERE, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE ACCESS BUILT IN ALL THE WAY.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR VOICES AT THE TABLE THAT HAVE YOUR UNIQUE, UH, PURVIEW.
SO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE TRAIN STATION WAS INITIATED INTO A LOW DENSITY AUTOCENTRIC FABRIC.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO BUILD THAT CONNECTIVITY AND HAVE THE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES TO REALLY BUILD UP THAT USABILITY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE TRAIN POPULATION AS DIFFICULT TO FIT IN CONSTRAINED CONDITIONS.
THEREFORE, THE PROJECT REALLY NEEDS YOUR INPUT.
AND NUMBER ONE OF ALL, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS THE MOST SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE USERS.
UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER JOINING OUR WORKING GROUP.
WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A REALLY WELL-ROUNDED GROUP TO REPRESENT A VARIETY OF INTERESTS FOR THIS PLAN.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO UPCOMING ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
WELL, ONE JUST HAPPENED AT LUMON,
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BUT, UM, OH, ACTUALLY THEY BOTH JUST HAPPENED.NEVERMIND, YOU CAN TELL TIME JUST FLEW BY THIS WEEK.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE AS A RESOURCE AND I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT YOU MIGHT FEEL INSPIRED TO JOIN THE TEAM.
IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A DYNAMIC GROUP THAT SUPPORTS A LOT OF THE INITIATIVES WE LOOK FOR IN OUR CCBS TO IMPLICATE WITHIN THE CITY.
AND WITH THAT, UH, WE CLOSE GENERAL COMMENT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
GONNA APPROVE THE MINUTES.UH, WE JUST HAD REPOSTED MINUTES WITH A CORRECTED TITLE TODAY, SO HOPE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE SEEN THAT.
UH, THIS IS FOR MINUTES, UM, FROM OUR DECEMBER MEETING, SO IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES FROM TWO MONTHS AGO? OKAY.
UH, SO WE APPROVE THEM WITH NO CHANGES.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
AGENDA, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS, UH, TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON A DRAFT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND RFP FOR A CITYWIDE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WAYFINDING PROJECT.
AND, UH, NOW INVITE OUR STAFF, LI LIAISON, BJORN GREENBERG TO PRESENT.
GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, YEAH, SO EXCITED TONIGHT TO, UH, SPEND MOST OF THE EVENING, UH, DIVING INTO THIS, UH, DRAFT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR OUR CITYWIDE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WAY FINDING SYSTEM.
UM, I, UH, PROVIDED SOME CONTEXT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER A, UM, OR TO ISSUE, UH, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR A WAY FINDING DESIGN CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP SOME NEW SIGNAGE DESIGNS AND PUT TOGETHER A CITYWIDE SIGN PLAN, UH, FOR US TO IMPLEMENT, UM, BASICALLY AS SOON AS, AS, AS SOON AS THEY'RE FINISHED.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, ABOUT UP TO $220,000 FOR THIS EFFORT FOR BOTH DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
AND OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, UH, THE BULK OF A CITYWIDE SYSTEM AND, AND PROVIDE REALLY GOOD COVERAGE WITH THE SIGNAGE, UH, WITH THOSE FUNDS.
WE DON'T NEED TO USE ALL OF THE FUNDS NECESSARILY.
UM, WE, THOSE FUNDS ARE COME FROM, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S CALLED TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT, ARTICLE THREE.
AND, UH, ANYTHING WE DON'T USE FOR WAYFINDING CAN CARRY OVER FOR OTHER BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS IN THE CITY.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, EXCITED TO GET THIS STARTED AND WANTED TO GET YOUR, UH, THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK ON THIS RFP SO THAT WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.
EVERYONE FEELS GOOD ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE CONSULTANT TO DO.
UM, KINDA SETTING THE PARAMETERS FOR THEIR WORK AND, UM, AND ALSO HELPING TO, UH, I THINK, ESTABLISH SOME EXPECTATIONS AROUND, UH, OR JUST BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FROM THEM.
UM, SO I THINK TONIGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL MAYBE TO FIRST WALK THROUGH THE, THE RFP ITSELF.
I CAN KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE, UH, THE SCOPE.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO AN ATTACHED MAP SHOWING WHICH ROUTES WE IDENTIFIED AND THOUGHT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE IN THIS, THIS FIRST ROUND OF CITYWIDE SIGNAGE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT MAP.
UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT MAPPING EXPERT OF, OR EXERCISE, OF COURSE, IS THAT WE HAVE A GROWING SYSTEM.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH A LITTLE BIT AROUND WHICH ROUTES WE SIGN TODAY VERSUS WHICH SIGNS WE, UH, OR WHICH ROUTES WE SIGN TODAY VERSUS WHICH ROUTES WE SIGN IN THE FUTURE AS WE MAKE UPGRADES TO THE NETWORK.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST KIND OF, I'LL START GOING THROUGH THE, THE SCOPE AND, UM, JUST WANNA REMIND THE COMMITTEE, I DID ALSO SEND THIS WORD DOC OUT TO YOU.
IF YOU DO WANNA SEND ANY EDITS OR COMMENTS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT OFFLINE.
UH, YOU CAN MAKE MARKUPS AND TRACK CHANGES AND SEND THOSE TO ME.
UM, WOULD LOVE TO ISSUE THIS BY NEXT MONDAY.
SO IF WE GET ANY COMMENTS BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN WALK AWAY TONIGHT WITH PRETTY GOOD, UH, CONFIDENCE IN, IN THIS DIRECTION.
UM, SO IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, WE ASK THEM FIRST TO DEVELOP SIGNAGE AND, UH, STREET AND TRAIL MARKING TEMPLATES.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE, UH, WHAT ALL OF THE SIGNS WILL LOOK LIKE, THE
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DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS.UM, AND WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT SIGNS IDENTIFIED HERE.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THE SIGNS THAT YOU WOULD, UH, SEE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING AN INTERSECTION OR A TRAILHEAD, UH, A SIGN THAT LISTS, UM, DIFFERENT NEARBY, UH, DESTINATIONS AND, UH, TELLS YOU, UH, WHICH WAY THEY ARE.
OBVIOUSLY TURN RIGHT, TURN LEFT GOES STRAIGHT, UM, GIVES WALKING AND BIKING DISTANCES AND TIME ESTIMATES, UH, TO THOSE DESTINATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONFIRMATION SIGNS, WHICH, UH, WOULD BE INSTALLED FOLLOWING A DECISION POINT JUST TO LET FOLKS KNOW THEY ARE ON THE CORRECT ROUTE.
GROUND MARKINGS, WHICH, UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE SMART PATHWAY, UM, SINCE THEY'VE DONE THEIR WAY FINDING PLAN, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED SOME OF THOSE GROUND MARKINGS THAT KIND OF HELP, UH, WITH NAVIGABILITY, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE TRAILS, UH, OR WHERE YOU'RE TRANSITIONING MAYBE BETWEEN A STREET AND A TRAIL, UM, AND, UH, OR IN A SECTION WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO USE A SIDEWALK, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO ACCESS NEARBY CROSSING.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE TRAILHEAD SIGNS AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE MAJOR, UM, MULTI-USE TRAILS AND PATHWAYS IN THE CITY HERE.
UH, BUT HAPPY OF COURSE TO CONSIDER ANY ADDITIONAL ONES THAT, THAT YOU THINK OF.
AND WITH, WITH THESE, WE WOULD LOVE TO ALSO INCLUDE, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT SMART HAS DONE, UH, AT THEIR TRAIL HEADS, UH, OR THEIR MAJOR, UM, TRAIL ACCESS POINTS AT LE AT THE VERY LEAST, INDICATING DISTANCE AND TIME TO THE TRAIL TERMINI AT EITHER END.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU GET ON A, A, IF YOU HOP ON THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AT PAYAN STREET, A SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, PRINCE PARK IS ONE MILE THAT WAY, WATER STREET DOWNTOWN IS ONE MILE THAT WAY.
UM, AND THEN ANY OTHER, UM, KEY DESTINATIONS, UH, THAT WE MIGHT WANNA CALL, CALL OUT ALONG THE TRAIL.
SO IN THIS, WE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY STREAMLINE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, DON'T WANT TO GET TOO BOGGED DOWN IN PROCESS HERE.
UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR ONE DRAFT SUBMITTAL FOR STAFF AND COMMUNITY REVIEW AND FEEDBACK.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, I ALSO, UH, INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMITTEE THINKS ABOUT, UM, UH, HOW MANY REVIEWS WE WANT TO, UH, TO DO.
BUT I FEEL LIKE ONE, ONE DRAFT, ONE, ONE SUBMITTAL SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DESIGN COMPONENT.
UM, YOU COULD OBVIOUSLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME SPINNING YOUR WHEELS ON, ON DESIGN.
IT ALSO, UM, DIRECT THEM TO USE THE COLOR SCHEME AND FONT TYPE THAT WAS DEALT DEVELOPED BY MERGE BACK IN 2022.
AND I WILL, I'LL PULL THAT UP IN A SECOND HERE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW WE GOT A GOOD, UM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY FROM CHRISTOPHER SMITH ENCOURAGING US TO MAYBE THINK BEYOND THE DESIGN THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY MERGE.
UM, I KNOW AS A COMMITTEE WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, UH, ONE OF THE UPDATES WE WANT TO, WHAT, WHAT THEY DEVELOPED IS MAKING, SO THEY, THE SIGNS THEY DEVELOPED SAY, BIKE PETALUMA AND ONLY INCLUDE, UH, BIKE BIKING TIME ESTIMATES.
AND, AND WE WERE HOPING FOR A MORE, UH, INCLUSIVE SIGNAGE OF OTHER MODES, OTHER ACTIVE MODES, NAMELY WALKING.
AND, UM, SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE, UH, EITHER CHANGE THAT, THAT BRANDING AND THEN ALSO ADD THOSE WALKING TIME ESTIMATES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ADJUST QUICKLY, ADJUST THE SIGNAGE AS THE NETWORK EXPANDS OVER TIME.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SMART SIGNAGE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID, UM, THEY'VE GOT, UH, THEIR, THEIR DESTINATION ON THEIR DECISION SIGNS.
YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SEVERAL SIGNS.
SO THEY'RE ABLE TO EASILY, UM, REMOVE SIGNS AND, UM, OR ADD, ADD NEW SIGNS, UH, TO THE POLL LISTING SPECIFIC DESTINATIONS AS THE NETWORK CHANGES OVER TIME.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT APPLIES TO US AS A CITY THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILDING OUT OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, WE WANT TO CALL OUT AND AND HONOR, UH, ANY, UH, LARGER REGIONAL TRAIL OR PATHWAY SYSTEMS SUCH AS THE SMART PATHWAY AND GREAT REDWOOD TRAIL, AS WELL AS THE BAY AREA RIDGE TRAIL.
WE, YEAH, EASY TO, EASY TO REFERENCE AS THE SYSTEM EXPANDS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I MENTION NOTED THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN USING QR CODES OR URLS ON THE SIGNS TO ALLOW USERS TO ACCESS QUICKLY ACCESS WEB MAPS OR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, LET ME SEE IF I CAN JUST TOGGLE OVER TO MERGE.
I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THEY DEVELOPED.
SO THIS IS THE BIKE PETALUMA SIGN.
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AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MOUNTED TO A A, A POLE OR STREETLIGHT.AND THEN THEY ALSO, THEY ACTUALLY DEVELOPED SOME OTHER SIGN TYPES.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS WAS THEIR TRAILHEAD SIGN.
UH, THIS IS, UM, LIKE A, A, A MAP DISPLAY WITH MORE INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY, YEAH, THEY'VE DEVELOPED A, A SOMEWHAT OF A LIMITED SIDE PLAN JUST COVERING BASICALLY PETA BOULEVARD SOUTH UP TO LYNCH CREEK TRAIL.
SO IT WAS NOT, THIS WAS NOT A CITYWIDE SYSTEM.
AND I NOTED SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO UPDATE.
MY THING, MY CONCERN WITH, I'LL JUST BE HONEST, MY CONCERN WITH THESE TRAILHEAD SIGNS AND MAP DISPLAYS, THE WAY THEY ARE SHOWING THEM, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF VANDALISM ISSUES AND I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY, UH, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT IN A HIGH, HIGH TRAFFIC AREA WHERE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF EYES ON IT, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A REAL ISSUE.
UM, AND NOT TO MENTION ALSO THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, I THINK WILL BE QUITE A BIT STEEPER.
SO IF WE DO WANNA INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CALL THAT OUT AND, AND POSSIBLY, UM, IDENTIFY A LIMITED NUMBER OF LOCATIONS WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO INSTALL AND MAINTAIN THOSE.
WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? UH, KIOSK OR MAP? YEAH, MAP KIOSK, I GUESS.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? UM, UH, THE PROBLEMS WITH LIKE GRAFFITI, IT'S JUST A, IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH GRAFFITI OUT THERE, UM, AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, AND I'VE EVEN SEEN IT TOO ON, ON THE SMART PATHWAY IN TOWN WHERE, UH, SOME OF THEIR NICE NEW WAYFINDING HAS BEEN VANDALIZED.
SO, UH, UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, GET THAT UNDER CONTROL, IT'S, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
I'M, I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL STILL HAVE SOME THAT WILL BE VANDALIZED, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE STUFF LIKE THIS THAT REALLY, UH, ATTRACTS THE BAD BEHAVIOR.
SO, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, I MEAN, WE CAN BREAK THIS UP IF YOU ALL WANT TO ASK, HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ON THAT FIRST PIECE OF THE SCOPE, UM, AND THE DESIGNS, UH, OR WE CAN, UH, I CAN CONTINUE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? KEEP MOVING.
SO THEN, UM, DESTINATION AND ROUTE IDENTIFICATION.
THIS IS, UH, AN EXERCISE THROUGH WHICH THE CONSULTANT WILL IDENTIFY WHICH DESTINATIONS ACTUALLY APPEAR ON THE SIGNS, AND ALSO HOW FAR AWAY, UH, THEY SHOULD APPEAR.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU MAY HA I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ASSUME THAT ON THE BULK OF OUR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY DOWNTOWN WILL PROBABLY BE REFERENCED AS A CENTRAL POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE IN THE CITY, YOU ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR RELATION TO DOWNTOWN.
UM, LIKEWISE, MAYBE OUR MAJOR, UH, REGIONAL AND COMMUNITY PARKS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, UH, REGIONAL LIBRARY FAIRGROUNDS, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG ANCHOR DESTINATIONS YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE ON MOST SIGNS.
AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF A HIERARCHY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A SIGN FOR A NEIGHBOR, A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WHEN YOU'RE ACROSS TOWN FROM IT, BUT AS YOU GET CLOSER, MAYBE IT STARTS TO APPEAR.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, UP TO TWO DRAFTS, SUBMITTALS, AND I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, P BACK REALLY SINKING YOUR TEETH INTO THIS AND, UH, PROVIDING SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK BASED ON THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE.
OBVIOUSLY, NO CONSULTANT IS GOING TO HAVE THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT YOU ALL POSSESS.
UM, AND THEN SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AS IN THE FUTURE, AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, WE NEED TO HAVE A SY HAVE A, UM, A SIGNAGE PLAN THAT'S EASY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO, TO UTILIZE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A CONSISTENT WAY OF, OF, UH, CALLING OUT THESE DESTINATIONS AND, AND DISTANCES ON, ON FUTURE SIGNS.
WHAT, UM, WHAT CRITERIA DO THEY USE WHEN THEY'RE GOING, WHEN A CONSULTANT'S GOING IN AND EVALUATING EXISTING WAY FINDING, UM, LIKE WHAT CRITERIA DO THEY USE AND WHAT DATA DO THEY USE AND HOW DO THEY MAKE DECISIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT POINTS FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED? UH, I THINK, SO THEY WOULD TYPICALLY LOOK AT, IF A CITY ALREADY HAS SOME WAVE FINDING, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THAT.
WE DO HAVE SORT OF A, UH, WE HAVE SOME WAVE FINDING OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
WE'VE GOT A, THERE WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE EARLY, I WANT TO SAY THAT MAYBE THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
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MENTIONED IT IN HIS PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DOWNTOWN AND, UM, AUTO ORIENTED, UH, A LITTLE LESS BICYCLE OR PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED.UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT SYSTEM HAS NOT REALLY BEEN, UM, MAINTAINED OR EXPANDED OVER TIME.
UM, SO I DO THINK PART OF THIS TOO, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, WE WILL ASK THEM WHEN, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THE SIGN PLAN TO, UM, TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT ANY EXISTING SIGNAGE AND, AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE PULLING A LOT OF SIGNAGE DOWN, I THINK, AND OR REPLACING, YOU KNOW, IF WE ALREADY HAVE A, A GOOD LOCATION FOR THESE NEW SIGNS WILL JUST, YEAH, WE'LL BE REPLACING OLDER SIGNAGE.
UH, AS FAR AS HOW THEY WOULD EVALUATE LIKE WHAT DESTINATIONS TO INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF A, I THINK JUST BEST PRACTICES WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE KEY DESTINATIONS THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IN THIS CITY? AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, ACTIVITY CENTERS, LIKE A DOWNTOWN, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, PARKS.
UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A, I THINK IT'S A CONSISTENT SET OF DESTINATION TYPES.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE TAILORED TO OUR COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT'S WHERE PBA C WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS IS, UM, PROVIDING THAT INPUT ON ANYTHING THEY MAY HAVE MISSED OR ANYTHING WE WANT TO ELEVATE PART OF IT TOO, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE DESTINATIONS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF GUIDING YOUR NAVIGABILITY, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, MAY GET YOU TO OTHER, LIKE, THEY MAY POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, RIGHT? UM, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, LIKE, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING ON BART, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AND THE ROUTE, THE LINES ARE ALL NAMED AFTER THEIR LAST, THEIR END POINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT YOU CAN APPLY THAT TO A BICYCLE, UH, WAYFINDING SYSTEM AS WELL, RIGHT? WHERE MAYBE WE'RE REFERENCING LIKE PEN GROVE, NOVATO, UH, SCHOENBERGER, RIGHT? YOU KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE DIRECT, THE, THE END POINT THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO ON OR ROUTE.
UM, SO THEN THE NEXT PIECE IS JUST THE, UH, BID READY SIGN PLAN THAT WE CAN JUST GET STRAIGHT OUT TO BID, UH, HAVE THE SIGNS ALL FABRICATED AND THEN INSTALLED BY THE SAME, UM, CONTRACTOR.
AND, UH, FOR THIS WE SAY UP TO TWO DRAFT SUBMITTALS.
WE WANT EACH SIGN PLACEMENT TO TELL US WHETHER THEY'RE USING AN EXISTING POLE OR STREETLIGHT, NEW POLL, ET CETERA.
AND THEN I ALSO WANT THE PLANS TO BE FORMATTED IN A MANNER THAT WE CAN, UH, ADJUST ON THE FLY IF, IF NEEDED FOR FUNDING REASONS.
AND THEN, YEAH, THEN FROM THERE WE JUST GO INTO THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL, UH, DETAILS AND HOPING TO MAKE A DECISION, UH, THE WEEK OF MARCH 16TH AND GET THEM STARTED THE WEEK OF MARCH 23RD.
I WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE IF UH, WE HAVE, UH, UP TO TWO VOLUNTEERS ON THE COMMITTEE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.
I WOULD, I WOULD WELCOME THAT.
SO IF WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS, LEMME KNOW.
UM, AND I THINK IF YOU, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SCOPE, I CAN SWITCH OVER TO THE MAP, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, UH, ADD IN A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT THEY WOULD CREATE AS A DELIVERABLE.
UM, I'M, I'M SURE PUBLIC WORKS HAS SOMETHING IN MIND ALREADY, BUT, UH, GIVEN THAT OLD SIGNS FROM A COUPLE DECADES AGO HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED WELL, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THEY COULD, UH, GET SOMETHING FROM THE MAN MANUFACTURERS OF THE MATERIALS OR SOMETHING, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, LIKE A LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT.
TELLING US BASICALLY WHAT, BASED ON THE SIGN ORIENTATION AND, UH, BECAUSE THAT DOES HAPPEN SOME, IF YOU HAVE A, A SOUTH FACING SIGN, IT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED A LOT SOONER THAN A NORTH FACING SIGN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SOME, SOME SORT OF CADENCE THEY COULD RECOMMEND THAT COULD BE BUILT INTO THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THEY YEAH.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA ADD A COMMENT FOR MYSELF TO REMIND, THANK YOU.
THERE ARE CERTAIN ROUTES MENTIONED AND YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US THE MAP.
UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY BENEFIT TO ADDING LIKE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF SIGNS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY SHOULD INCLUDE SOME KIND OF THRESHOLD 'CAUSE YOU KNOW OH, LIKE A FREQUENCY? YEAH.
DEPENDING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR IS THAT THEIR, THEIR, I WOULD HOPE EXPERTISE.
I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT, I WOULD HOPE THEIR EXPERTISE WILL COME INTO PLAY AND THEY'LL UNDERSTAND YEAH.
HOW, HOW FREQUENTLY THE SIGNS NEED TO BE PLACED.
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SO I'LL JUMP OVER TO THE MAP THEN, AND APOLOGIZE.WE CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO HIGHLIGHT THE LABELS.
UM, SO THIS IS AN EXERCISE ACTUALLY THAT ADAM AND I DID TOGETHER.
UH, ADAM'S OUR, OUR MAPPING GUY FOR ALL THINGS ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION RELATED.
UM, SO WE TOOK THE A TP, THE ADOPTED, UH, MAP OF EXISTING AND PROPOSED ROUTES AND HIGHLIGHTED THOSE THAT WE THOUGHT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO INCLUDE IN THIS FIRST PASS, UH, COVERING THE WHOLE CITY.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO AVOID WERE ANY ROUTES WHERE, UM, UH, THEY'RE DEPENDENT ON LIKE A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT BEING CONSTRUCTED THAT, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE IN THE PIPELINE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, ADAM? LIKE, UH, A PATHWAY ALONG LE HOW CREEK, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A LONGER TERM ASPIRATION.
OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO INCLUDE THAT.
UM, OR THIS, UH, HOME ROAD TO CORONA ROAD CONNECTOR, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, UH, A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT TO GET, UH, PATHWAY IN OVER A CREEK AND THEN CONNECTING TO, UH, THE CORONA ROAD OVERCROSSING.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF ROUTES, JUST RIGHT OFF THE BAT WE TRIED TO EXCLUDE.
AND OBVIOUSLY AS THOSE PROJECTS ARE BUILT, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SIGN THEM AND THEN MAKE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SYSTEM.
BUT, UH, AND THEN WE ALSO, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE SMART PATHWAY BECAUSE SMART HAS KIND OF COVERED THAT ALREADY.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE TRIED TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT WE THINK PEOPLE ARE ALREADY WRITING, SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, EXISTING STREETS AND TRAILS, EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN UPGRADED.
UM, WE DID NOT INCLUDE LAKEVILLE, SO THERE COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION THERE KIND OF FELT THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE UPGRADES THERE BEFORE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE SIGNING THAT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK, UH, ADAM, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES.
YEAH, I THINK PART OF THE EFFORT WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE MAJOR DESTINATIONS, ALSO KIND OF THINKING FORWARD ABOUT WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE.
UM, SO INCLUDING SCHOOLS, PARKS, UM, HOSPITALS, GROCERY CENTERS, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO OR WAS PART OF THE MOTIVATION OF DEVELOPING THE MAP IN THE FIRST PLACE OF THESE ROUTES.
SO JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THOSE MAJOR DESTINATIONS WOULD BE.
AND IT MAY BE EASIER TOO TO, UM, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, FOCUS ON THE, THE, THE ROUTES THAT AREN'T HIGHLIGHTED AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY THAT YOU THINK REALLY DO BELONG IN THE SYSTEM, UH, AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING ON WHAT'S ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, AND ALSO, AGAIN, HAPPY IF, IF YOU WANT TO SIT WITH THIS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS AND SHOOT ME ANY COMMENTS BY FRIDAY, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE AS WELL.
DO WE WANT TO, UH, WE CAN KINDA LET THIS MARINATE AND IF YOU WANT TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, THE $220,000 BUDGET, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, IS THAT TO PUT ALL THE SIGNS UP ALL AROUND TOWN? THE WHOLE THING? THAT'S THE GOAL.
AND SO THIS RFP IS JUST FOR BID READY, SO LIKE FULL DESIGN FOR YEP.
UM, SO I, YOU MENTIONED CHRISTOPHER SMITH'S COMMENTS A COUPLE TIMES.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE.
UM, MAYBE JUST A COUPLE TO MENTION, I THINK YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT DESIGNING FOR LONG-TERM DURABILITY MM-HMM
I THINK A MAINTENANCE PLAN IS A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMING UP WITH A, UM, OF INSTALLING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AN, YOU KNOW, AN ONGOING MONEY SINK, PRIORITIZING LOCATIONS THAT HOPEFULLY WON'T GET VANDALIZED.
UM, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, ANOTHER CONCERN I HAD WITH THE MAP KIOSK IS THAT MAP WILL PROBABLY BE OUTDATED PRETTY QUICKLY AND NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO I GUESS IT ALL LEADS ME TO SUGGEST THAT IF THERE'S A WAY OF MAYBE, UM, COLOR CODING THE MAP, MAYBE ONE MORE LAYER OF PRIORITIZATION.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT TO ME.
I'M LIKE, CAN YOU, YOU CAN SIGN THAT WHOLE FOR THING FOR $220,000.
UM, SO I WONDER IS THERE A WAY OF, UM, PRIORITIZING LIKE, UH, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU, LIKE, YOU JUST LEFT OFF ONES THAT YOU KNOW, ARE FUTURE HYPOTHETICAL.
I WONDER IF YOU CAN ADD THAT LIKE, ANOTHER STEP THERE OF LIKE, WE KNOW THESE ARE LIKE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES TO DO NOW MAYBE THOSE ARE A DIFFERENT COLOR AND THEN THERE'S LIKE AN INTERIM, LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THESE AS LIKE A SECOND PHASE AND THEN FU
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LIKE ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE LEAVING OFF AND SAY THAT'S LIKE A FUTURE HYPOTHETICAL PHASE THREE.'CAUSE THIS TO ME IS, IT'S HARD TO KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STARTING WHEN YOU JUST BLANKET YEAH.
AND, AND HONESTLY IT'S HARD TO REALLY KNOW WHAT, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, FROM A COST STANDPOINT HERE, UM, UNTIL WE REALLY GET INTO THIS.
AND SO, UH, I MEAN THERE, I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A KEY PART WAS HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY, UH, IF WE DO GET STICKER SHOCK TO BE ABLE TO, UM, THAT'S THIS PIECE HERE MM-HMM
UM, ALLOWING US TO BASICALLY JUST ELIMINATE CERTAIN ROUTES.
SO I, PART OF ME SAYS WE COULD ESSENTIALLY JUST CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT.
AND UM, AND IF WE ARE SHORT, WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT THEN.
BUT, UM, I MEAN YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
IF, IF WE DO WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON ON WHICH ROUTES TO PRIORITIZE, I'M HAPPY TO, TO DO THAT AS WELL OR ASKING THEM TO INCLUDE THAT IN A RESPONSE.
AND YOU'RE EXPECTING THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT RESPONDENTS, I ASSUME THIS IS JUST THE DESIGN AND THEN AT SOME POINT THEY'LL BE ANOTHER RFB FOR ACTUAL CONTRACTORS TO GO BUILD.
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, I WOULD EXPECT THE DESIGN CONSULTANT ACTUALLY WOULD BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO MAKE THE CALL ON WHICH ROUTES SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED OR ASSIST IN THAT AS OPPOSED TO A CONTRACTOR WHO'S JUST WANTS TO FOLLOW THE PLANS THEY'RE GIVEN
I'M SURE IS A COST ESTIMATE INCLUDED IN THEIR YEAH.
UM, I THINK, YEAH, ASKING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THIS CRITERIA AND KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WHICH PARTS OF THE A TP ARE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT MM-HMM
UM, AND MAYBE ASKING THEM TO COME UP WITH A SUGGESTED KIND OF PHASED IN.
UM, ALSO YOU MENTIONED QR CODES.
ARE THOSE GONNA BE LINK, IS THAT LIKE CITY MAINTAINED WEBSITES FOR LIKE LOCAL MAPS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS BASED.
THOSE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING.
AND THAT WAY WE DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE OUR STATIC MAPS ARE OUTDATED.
IF WE'RE KEEPING OUR, UM, OUR ONLINE MAP UPDATED, THE QR CODE THEN IS TIMELESS, BASICALLY.
AND YOU MENTIONED THIS ALSO, UH, THAT'S VERY BIKE FOCUSED.
SO, UM, I THINK CHRIS, ME SMITH MENTIONED THIS IN HIS COMMENTS ALSO THAT, UM, MAYBE MAKING IT MORE GENERAL, LESS TIED TO THE MERGE DESIGN.
THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
UM, ONE OF THE, YEAH, ONE OF THE TRICKY ON ON THAT, ONE OF THE KIND OF TRICKY THINGS WITH THIS, WE DO WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE OF, UH, WALKING OBVIOUSLY ON ALL OF OUR SIGNS.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS MUCH BETTER THAN BIKE CONNECTIVITY IN TERMS. MM-HMM.
LIKE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DESIGNING EVERY STREET AND EVERY INTERSECTION FOR BIKE NAVIGABILITY.
UM, WHEREAS, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE WANT TO BE SOMEWHAT INTENTIONAL ABOUT DIRECTING PEOPLE TO CERTAIN ROUTES.
UH, SO, SO THAT IS, THAT IS KIND OF A TRICKY COMPONENT OF THIS.
I HAVE, I WAS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, THAT MAYBE WE WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SIGN PLAN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, AND I CAN ADD THAT IN THAT THAT'S, UH, I THINK SO.
'CAUSE YOU WANT IT ALL TO PLAY NICE TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT.
AND NOT HAVE TO REDO ANYTHING.
UM, SCHEDULE ON HERE DOESN'T INCLUDE IMPLEMENTATION.
IT'S JUST GETTING UP TO FINAL DESIGNS.
THAT'D BE A, AGAIN, GETTING INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, SO DIFFERENT SCOPE.
I KNOW RECENTLY THE CITY'S BEEN TAKING A FEW MORE THINGS IN-HOUSE, LIKE ROAD STRIPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY ASPECT OF THE SIGNAGE IN THE UPKEEP THAT THE CITY CAN DO IN-HOUSE VERSUS HAVING TO GO OUT TO CONTRACT THIS PRO? SO NOT OF, NOT A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE.
THIS IS TOO LARGE OF A PROJECT.
UM, IN ONE SWOOP, WE, WE WOULD WANNA HAVE A CONTRACTOR DO THAT WORK, OTHERWISE OUR STREET CREW WOULD BE DOING NOTHING BUT THIS FOR A YEAR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE, UM, COULD IT BE DONE IN A FORMAT THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN? THAT'S THE HOPE? YEAH.
SO THE, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT ONCE THIS IS ALL BUILT OUT, UM, THAT AS WE IMPLEMENT NEW ROUTES, UH, WHATEVER CONTRACTOR, LIKE SAY WE HAVE A PAVING PROJECT OR SAY WE, WE BUILD A NEW PATHWAY, WE CAN JUST INCORPORATE A SIGN PLAN FOR WHATEVER CONTRACTOR IS DOING THAT PROJECT.
THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE SIGNS FABRICATED AND INSTALLED WITH ALL THE SAME STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS THAT WE'VE CREATED HERE.
UM, OR STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS, UM, FOR MAINTENANCE OF INDIVIDUAL SIGNS.
SAY A SIGN GETS HIT OR A SIGN GETS, UH, VANDALIZED, UM, THAT WOULD THEN, THAT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT OUR STREET CREW WOULD
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MAINTAIN THOSE.SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SIGN IS AND THEN BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A CUSTOM ORDER.
CUSTOM SIGNS WE DON'T FABRICATE.
I THINK OUR, OUR SIGN SHOP, WE FABRICATE STREET SIGNS.
EVERYTHING ELSE WE SEND TO A, A CUSTOM FABRICATOR, BUT IT'S QUICK.
SO, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS REGARDING THE VANDALISM WE'RE HAVING MM-HMM
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT MAYBE SOME OF US AS WE'RE WRITING CAN TAKE NOTE OF WHAT THE VANDALIZATION IS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY INCORPORATE INTO OUR DESIGN WAYS TO STOP THAT? LIKE I HAPPEN TO KNOW ON THE SMART TRAIN TRAIL, THEY LITERALLY PEELED OFF EVERYTHING WITHIN TWO WEEKS DOWN LOW.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF US COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND MAYBE TRY AND STAY A HALF A STEP AHEAD.
OUR, UM, YEAH, I, I, THERE'S REALLY NO EASY ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HAVE ENFOR AN ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE OUT ON THESE TRAILS AND PATHWAYS 24 7.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S A TRICKY ONE.
HONESTLY, I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN DESIGN VANDAL PROOF SIGNAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO,
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY FIGURED OUT THAT THEY CAN PEEL THOSE OFF AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
WE'VE ALL SEEN THE, ALL THE BRAND NEW SIGNS ON THE SMART TRAIL ALREADY.
SHOULD WE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, SORRY.
UM, BJORN, I'M CURIOUS IF YOU, WHAT YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS ON THE MERGE? IS IT MERGED DESIGN AND THE COMMENTS? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I THOUGHT THE COMMENTS THAT WAS IT RICHARD SMITH, CHRISTOPHER, UH, CHRISTOPHER SMITH, UM, I MEAN, THOSE COMMENTS SEEM PRETTY INSIGHTFUL TO ME MM-HMM
I THOUGHT HE MADE SOME GOOD POINTS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT.
LIKE IS THERE, ARE, ARE YOU THINKING WE SHOULD, UM, IN LIGHT OF THOSE COMMENTS, ARE YOU THINKING WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO RELY ON THE MERGE DESIGN OR WHAT'S YOUR THINKING? NO, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT US TO OPEN THIS UP, UH, WAS NOT PLANNING ON, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, UM, IS TO GET SOME OTHER IDEAS AND MERGE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE WELCOME TO, UH, SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA, WE WANNA TAKE THINGS IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM WHAT THEY DEVELOPED IN THE, IN 2022.
AND, UH, AND SO I THINK IT, IT ONLY BENEFITS US TO SEE WHAT IDEAS AND QUALIFICATIONS OTHER CONSULTANTS HAVE.
I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE SIGNS, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR CRITIQUES.
I, I MEAN, I THINK THEY, THEY LOOK NICE, THEY'RE READABLE.
UM, MY BIGGEST GRIPE IS, IS THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT VERY INCLUSIVE OF, YEAH.
I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO INCLUDE, UM, OTHER MODES AND, AND ALSO INCLUDE THE WALKING TIME ESTIMATES FOR OUR SYSTEM.
UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WENT THROUGH, UH, THEY DIDN'T GO, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH A CITYWIDE PROCESS.
THIS WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED TO ONE, ONE AREA OF THE CITY.
AND, UM, AND SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HELPS YOU GET AROUND THE CITY, UH, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM WILL, WILL BE, UM, MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL TO PEOPLE WHO, UH, LIVE IN PETALUMA AND VISIT PETALUMA.
UM, IS THE CONSULTANT EXPECTED TO VALIDATE THE DESIGN DECISIONS, DECISIONS, UH, WITH USER TESTING OR OBSERVE BEHAVIOR? OR IS IT PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT AND KNOWLEDGE FROM PRIOR PROJECTS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK IT KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO PUTTING SOME, SOME TRUST IN THE EXPERTS COMBINED WITH THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE THAT KIND OF KEEPS THEM IN CHECK FOR, UM, AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN AND PLANNING PROCESS.
BUT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, WAY FINDING EXPERTS AND, UM, AND SO I HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME FAITH IN THEIR ABILITY TO DELIVER SOMETHING THAT IS LEGIBLE AND, AND NAVIGABLE.
AND I, I THINK, UH, I REMEMBER YOU MENTIONING ONE TIME BEFORE THAT THE, THE FIRM THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A COUPLE OF FIRMS AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S KNOWN FOR DOING REALLY GOOD WORK.
AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY?
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YEAH.SO, UH, THERE ARE, I MEAN, THERE ARE, YEAH, THERE'S MULTIPLE FIRMS OUT THERE.
THE, THE TOOL DESIGN, UH, IS THE FIRM THAT DESIGNED SMARTS SYSTEM.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, OTHER THAN MERGE, UH, I BELIEVE TOOL IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT'S DESIGNED ANYTHING LOCALLY.
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT, UM, THERE MAY BE OTHERS, BUT, UM, AT LEAST, UH, SPECIFIC TO BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN NAVIGATION, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF A, A NICHE WITHIN A NICHE.
SO, UM, THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYFINDING CONSULTANTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE DONE PROJECTS IN THIS AREA, BUT MAYBE NOT SO SPECIALIZED IN BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN DESIGN.
AND THE REASON, YEAH, THE REASON TOOL IS ATTRACTIVE AS WELL AS ALTA IS THEY ALSO ARE, UH, FIRMS THAT HELP PLAN AND DESIGN PLAN BIKE NETWORKS AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS.
UM, THEY DO A LOT OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANS, BOTH OF THOSE FIRMS. AND THEN THEY ALSO HELP WITH, UM, THEY PROVIDE DESIGN SERVICES FOR STREET AND TRAIL PROJECTS.
SO KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WORLD AND, AND SO THERE'S A GOOD UNDERSTANDING THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, USING ONE OF THOSE FIRMS, IT, IT, UH, CERTAINLY GIVES ME COMFORT OR HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT IT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REASONABLE TO TRUST THAT THE SIGNS THAT WE GET ARE GONNA BE READABLE WHEN YOU'RE CRUISING BY ON A BIKE.
DO WE ENVISION WAYFINDING SUPPORTING USERS WITH LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY? THAT'S A GOOD QUE YEAH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY INCORPORATE THAT.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
SOMETHING TO, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MM-HMM
UH, I KNOW THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE SIGNS BEING YEAH.
BUT I THINK, I'M SURE AGAIN, THE EXPERTS HAVE, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT THEY'VE COME ACROSS.
OR I'M SURE THEY'VE DEALT WITH THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WORTH, UM, LOOKING AT.
NEXT QUESTION, WILL THE TEMPLATE SPECIFICATIONS ALLOW FOR FUTURE SIGNS TO BE ADDED? I THINK, I KNOW THE QUESTION IS, BUT LIKE, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ADD SIGNS WITHOUT RETURNING TO THE CONSULTANT.
WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO EASILY BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, KIND OF THE SIGN PLACEMENT METHODOLOGY, UH, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO REFERENCE THE DIFFERENT DESTINATION, THE DESTINATION HIERARCHY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND SO AS WE DEVELOP A NEW ROUTE, IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO TAKE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ADD SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED.
UM, JUST A COUPLE MORE QUICK QUESTIONS.
SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT DO WE ENVISION QR CODES BEING INCLUDED? I THINK WE COULD, YEAH.
IF WE WANT TO MAKE, GIVE THAT DIRECTION, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
I, I, I WAS KIND OF VAGUE HERE, SO, UM, IF WE WANT TO, UH, JUST MAKE THAT AN EXPECTATION, I WOULD, I WOULD KIND OF BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING WITH QR CODES.
AND ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF JUST THROWING A QR CODE ON EVERY SIGN? YEAH.
I'M WONDERING IF, UM, I, I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS COMMITTED TO, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT UPDATING MAPS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND MAYBE QR CODES COULD BE MORE TARGETED.
UM, MAYBE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE ON KEY SORT OF LANDMARK SIGNS.
UH, AND THEN LA LAST QUESTION.
UM, AND THIS ONE'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OUTTA LEFT FIELD, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING.
I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT PUTTING THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SIGN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN? SO I, AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I'M INTERESTED IN IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SIGNS TO CREATE COMMUNITY COHESIVENESS MM-HMM
RIGHT? AND IF YOU'RE RIDING THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE USED TO SEEING THAT, THEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, WELL, HOW DO YOU GET FROM PLACE TO PLACE? YOU CAN SAY ONCE, ONCE PEOPLE START HEARING THE, OR SEEING THE NAMES OF NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY CAN THEN TALK ABOUT IT IN THAT FASHION, AND OTHER PEOPLE MAY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.
I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT WITH CERTAIN ROUTES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON, UH, THE FIFTH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON THE FIFTH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD, GREENWAY.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES, UM,
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WITH LIKE A SPECIAL YEAH.LIKE IDENTIFIER, UM, ON THE SIGN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SAN DIEGO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YEAH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT IS THE OVER AT THE PUBLIC UTILITY BUILDING, THEY PUT THE NAME OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OH, YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY, LIKE, TO ME, IT ADDS COMMUNITY TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AND MAYBE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE THE SIGNS FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE AN EASILY, UH, REFERENCE, UH, UH, ARE WE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE NEW, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE? THE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NAMES AND BOUNDARIES?
WELL, MAYBE, UM, I MEAN, YOU HAVE, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE OBVIOUS.
UM, BUT, UH, SOME ARE BETTER TO FIND THAN OTHERS.
SOME ARE, SOME ARE BETTER DEFINED.
AND MAYBE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NAME NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'VE SEEN THE, THERE'S KIND OF THE DISTRICT THING TOO ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SITE THAT MM-HMM
LIKE CALLS OUT MIDTOWN AND YEP.
HAS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER.
IT'S SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVEL THAN EXACTLY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS, BUT I'LL SAVE THOSE FOR LATER.
UM, OH, GO AHEAD, ADAM, PLEASE.
YEAH, JUST I GUESS, UH, JUST A QUESTION TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FOR ADDING, UM, NEW DESTINATIONS, IS THAT, COULD YOU BRING UP THE SIGN REC, UH, THE SIGN IMAGE? OH, YEAH.
SO IS THE, YOU WERE REFERENCING SMART, HAVING THOSE SEPARATE, IS THE IDEA, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S, WOULD THOSE BE LIKE INDIVIDUAL SIGNS THAT YOU COULD ADD ON? OR IS IT YEAH.
HOW, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THEY, SO IT'S, I GUESS THE TERM IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A MODULAR SIGN.
SO, UM, EACH OF, BASICALLY ON SMART SIGNPOST, THEY'VE GOT LIKE A SMART PATHWAY SIGN, AND THEN UNDER IT THERE'S SEPARATE, UM, INDIVIDUAL LIKE PANELS THAT ARE MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE POST FOR EACH OF THESE RIGHT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS, UH, ALLOWING THEM TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE FUTURE, OR IT MAY HAVE ALSO BEEN FOR VANDALISM REASONS, THAT IF, LIKE, IF, IF SOMETHING GETS VANDALIZED, THEY HOPEFULLY DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE, THEY JUST REPLACE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE PANEL.
I DON'T KNOW, I'D BE INTERESTED TO REACH BACK OUT TO THEM ABOUT THEIR, THEIR METHODOLOGY THERE.
UM, BUT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ANTICIPATING FOR OUR SYSTEM.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IF WE COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THOSE SIGNS WILL BE MODULAR TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE FOR GROWING SYSTEMS, AND, AND I'M, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO HEAR IF THERE ARE ANY BENEFITS FROM A MAINTENANCE OR VANDALISM STANDPOINT AS WELL.
I THINK MAYBE FOR VANDALISM IT'S MORE SIGNS TO TAKE DOWN, SO MAYBE MORE OF A DETERRENT YEAH.
TO JUST TAKE ONE DOWN VERSUS DIFFERENT ONES.
ALSO MORE WORK TO FABRICATE AND INSTALL THOUGH, SO I'LL BE INTERESTED TO HEAR SOME OF THE TRADE OFFS THERE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP AGAIN? YEP.
SO, UM, JUST IN THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION, WHEN YOU ARE RIDING A BIKE, YOU AREN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOWING A SINGLE TRAIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE YOU'RE USING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT COULD BE TAKING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ROUTES.
SO JUST EVEN FROM LIKE IF I WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPTIMAL ROUTE FOR ME TO GET FROM WHERE I LIVE MM-HMM
TO HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT I COULD GENERALLY TAKE ANY WAY THAT I WANTED.
UM, AND THEN, AND SO I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO JUST VISUALIZE AND THINK OF A WAY THAT THIS COULD ACTUALLY WORK IN AT, YOU KNOW, AS A ROUTE THING.
AND I'M REALLY STRUGGLING TO JUST UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S ROUTE RELATED VERSUS MORE OF LIKE, HERE YOU ARE THE, AND MORE OF JUST LIKE VERY BASIC GUIDEPOST MM-HMM
UM, TO, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE WAY THAT I WOULD VISUALIZE IT IS MORE OF YOU PUT THE SIGNS IN HIGHLY TRAFFICKED AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW HOW, LIKE HOW TO ORIENT THEMSELVES TO WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GO, AS OPPOSED TO BEING, YOU'RE NOW ON LIKE THE BLUE ROUTE TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, TATI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO AND ALSO MIGHT NOT INEVITABLY GET YOU TO WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GO.
YEAH, NO, I, I, YEAH, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
THERE WAS A KIND OF A, A TREND I THINK IN THE NINETIES AND EARLY TWO
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THOUSANDS OF NUMBERING BIKE ROUTES, AND THAT WE SEE THAT IN MARIN COUNTY, SAN FRANCISCO DID IT, AND I THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY PULLED BACK FROM THAT AND COMPLETE, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED TO A SYSTEM THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD GET INTO A, A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING JUST ONE OPTIMAL ROUTE TO GO, UH, IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION OR TO A CERTAIN DESTINATION.
I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE AS YOU'RE NAVIGATING THIS SYSTEM IS YOU'LL SEE A SIGN THAT SET, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AS YOU'RE BIKING ALONG, LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE BIKING ALONG SOME MOUNTAIN PARKWAY, EVERY TIME YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A RIGHT TURN TO ACCESS A BIKE ROUTE THAT COULD FEASIBLY GET YOU DOWNTOWN, YOU WILL SEE DOWNTOWN TWO MILES 10 MINUTES.
AND IT'S NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT ROUTE OR THAT'S THE ONLY ROUTE.
IT'S JUST, UM, HERE'S AN OPTION.
IS THAT HELPFUL? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT THAT ALSO JUST MEANS THAT THE LOCATION OF THOSE SIGNS HAS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET VERSUS THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TRUE LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF SIGNS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY EVEN EVER INSTALL.
SO IT JUST IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT MIX OF MM-HMM
AMOUNT VERSUS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
SO YOU'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING LESS, MAYBE MORE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF ROUTES THAT ARE INCLUDED, UM, IN THE INITIAL SIGN BUILD OUT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, OR, I, I THINK SO.
UM, JUST BECAUSE, YEAH, NOT THAT MORE SIGNS DOESN'T CREATE, LIKE OF COURSE IT CREATES EASIER KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE YOU ARE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DOES POTENTIALLY JUST MEAN THAT WE END UP, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A SIGN ON EVERY STREET CORNER AND THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY HELPFUL EITHER.
WE DEFINITELY, THERE'S A LOT OF COVERAGE HERE.
UM, ONE PIECE OF THIS TOO IS NOT JUST THE WAYFINDING ASPECT, BUT IT'S ALSO KIND OF THE MARKETING OF IT, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY CAN HOPEFULLY GET FROM WHEREVER THEY LIVE, UH, OR WORK IN THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, AND THEN THAT MAY, THEY MAY BE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IT'S ONLY A, A 10 MINUTE BIKE RIDE FROM WHERE THEY ARE.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S, UH, PROVIDES THAT LITTLE EXTRA BIT OF SUPPORT FOR FOLKS WHO MAYBE AREN'T TOTALLY, UH, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE IDEA OF, OF BIKING OR WALKING, BUT, BUT AREN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T DONE IT OR AREN'T DOING IT.
HOW, HOW MANY SIGNS ARE WE THINKING OF? GUESSTIMATE? A HUNDRED? NO, THIS IS, UH,
AND AS WE HAVE A CITY THAT IS TRYING TO TURN INTO A BICYCLING COMMITTEE, IS IT REALLY A GREAT IDEA TO ROLL OUT 200 SIGNS AT ONE TIME WHEN WE CAN START WITH A MAIN THOROUGHFARE SET THAT ARE THE LARGER, BETTER PLACED ONES, AND THEN THEN BRING IN THE NEXT SET.
WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN TOWN RIGHT NOW THAT ARE AGAINST BIKES FROM D STREET AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT'S AN ASPECT TO THINK ABOUT IT.
MAYBE A THREE PHASE PROJECT WHERE WE GET SH BRING IT OUT, SHOW IT, AND THEN SLOWLY ADD TO IT.
YEAH, I, I SEE, I, I GET THAT.
I, UM, I DO THINK THERE WILL BE JUST, I MEAN, JUST WALKING, BIKING, DRIVING AROUND THE CITY, I SEE SO MUCH SIGNAGE THAT IS EITHER REDUNDANT OR UNNECESSARY.
AND SO I DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, TO ALSO BE REMOVING A LOT OF SIGNAGE WITH THIS WORK.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE REDUCING SIGN CLUTTER, UH, AS WE'RE DOING THIS TO SOME DEGREE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR STREETS, YOU'LL SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS LIKE, BIKE LANE OR BIKE ROUTE.
I WOULD, AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE PLACED IN AREAS WHERE IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE TO JUST TAKE THAT, SIGN OFF THE POST, USE THE SAME POST, AND PUT A DECISION SIGN UP.
NOW YOU'RE NOT ONLY ARE YOU IDENTIFYING IT AS A BIKE ROUTE LIKE YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT YOU'RE JUST GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE USEFUL INFORMATION.
UM, BUT, UH, NO, I, I THINK, YEAH, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THE COMMITTEE IF WE, IF PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE WISE TO KIND OF SCALE THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE
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HIT THE REAL KEY PRIMARY ROUTES.I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE HERE, OF COURSE, IS THAT WE DO WANT TO HELP PEOPLE.
UM, WE WANNA PROVIDE AS, AS SEAMLESS OF AN EXPERIENCE AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE CITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY GETTING THEM FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
BUT, UM, I'M, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT BEFORE THE RFP IS ISSUED.
SO I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IF I CAN OH, SORRY.
I, I WOULD NOT LIMIT THIS PROJECT OR LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SCIENCE TO APPEASE ONE OF THE HATERS OUT THERE, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT DO THAT ANYWAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THIS REALLY NICE FOR PEOPLE THAT WALK AND BIKE AND THE HATERS ARE GONNA HATE.
AND FRANK, SO HOW MUCH OF THIS NETWORK DO YOU ANTICIPATE COVERING WITH THE CURRENT 220 K? I MEAN, SOME OF THAT'S GONNA BE FOR, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT ABOUT A HUNDRED K FOR THE DESIGN? I'M HOPING IT'LL BE LESS
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IT WILL BE A PRETTY DESIGN 10 INTENSIVE EFFORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WITH A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND MORE THAN 20% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET ON DESIGN.
BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, YEAH, IT, IT COULD, IT COULD, UH, END UP CLOSER TO, UH, TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE LEFT FOR FABRICATION INSTALLATION.
I REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR THE ACTUAL FABRICATION AND INSTALLATION.
SO, UM, SO I WAS KIND OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS GONNA GET US A, IT IS GONNA GET THE DESIGN DONE AND THEN GET A REALLY GOOD START, AND THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SORT OF WORK ON.
UM, BUT, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS THERE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
THERE'S THE FIVE YEAR PAVING PLAN, AND SOME OF OUR BIG MM-HMM
UM, SOME OF OUR BIG ROADS ARE SLATED TO BE REBUILT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES, LIKE, I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PAVING PROJECTS CAN, THEY CONTINUE TO GET PUSHED OUT, AND SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THE SIGNS PUSHED OUT, BUT IN SOME CASES IT'S GONNA MAKE MORE SENSE TO WAIT FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR, FOR THE UPGRADES TO BE MADE.
THE, THE PHASING OF THIS IS, IS DAUNTING
SO I, THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA, ONCE WE GET INTO IT WITH A CONSULTANT TOO, THEY HOPEFULLY CAN HELP US KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT.
SORRY, JUST A COUPLE MORE THOUGHTS JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE.
IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT, UM, I GUESS THINKING ABOUT US IN LIKE A CAPITAL CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENT, $220,000 FOR THIS, WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT OTHER MAYBE LOW HANGING FRUIT, NOT TO DERAIL CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, SOME THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN RECENT MEETINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I, YOU SAID THAT IF THERE'S EXCESS FUNDS, IT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO LIKE ADDING FLASHING LIGHTS TO MORE CROSSWALKS, UM, SIDEWALK REPAIRS FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, LIKE THE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS WITH AT CITY CONTRIBUTING MONEY TO MM-HMM
REDUCE THE, UM, DAMAGED SIDEWALK AREA IN TOWN, UH, ADDING GREEN PAINT TO ROUNDABOUTS AND THINGS LIKE, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE, UM, AND HEATHER KIND OF JUST THOUGHT I WAS HAVING WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BY THE TIME THIS IS ALL ROLLED OUT, WE'RE PROBABLY ALL GONNA HAVE LIKE, AI IN OUR AIR, IN OUR EARBUDS AND JUST SAY, I'D LIKE TO THE SAFEST ROUTE TO GET FROM HERE TO HERE, AND IT'S GONNA TALK US THROUGH IT IN OUR EAR.
SO LIKE, THESE AREN'T GONNA BE NEEDED, UM, PROBABLY BEFORE THE STEINS ARE ACTUALLY PUT UP AT THE RATE THAT THINGS ARE GOING.
IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, SO I, IT ALL LEADS ME TO THINK PHASED APPROACH, JUST LIKE WHAT'S THE LIKE, DEMONSTRATION VERSION OF THIS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED NEAR TERM AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND TRY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S DAUNTING HOW BIG IT IS.
IT'S A LARGE MAP TRYING TO REALLY FOCUS ON LOW VANDALISM LIKELIHOOD, HIGH IMPACT, YOU KNOW, HIGH VISIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT.
I MEAN, THAT ORIGINAL MERGE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED OF LIKE THE CORE DOWNTOWN AREA SEEMS LIKE A, A GOOD PLACE TO START.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR WHAT THEIR SCOPE WAS AND KIND OF WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT STOPPED THERE.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE BIDDING, UM, SO, OR OPEN TO, TO BID ON THIS PHASE OF IT.
UM, BUT I JUST REITERATING THINGS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN SAID, NOT TO DERAIL IT OR BE, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH OF A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, BUT JUST TO, UM, MAYBE THINK ABOUT IT IN A MORE, UM, PHASED AND PIECEMEAL APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE YEAH, YEAH.
GET THE FIRST STEPS DONE AND THINK ABOUT THE BROADER
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THING OVER A LONGER TERM.AND MAYBE IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN USE SOME OF THE UNUSED FUNDS FOR HIGHER PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, HIGHER IMPACT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
ONE OF THE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK YOU'RE SEEING SO MUCH COVERAGE HERE TOO, IS THAT WE DID REALLY WANT TO INCLUDE, UH, SCHOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, MAJOR PARKS OBVIOUSLY.
AND WE HAVE SO MANY SCHOOLS IN THIS CITY THAT YOU END UP WITH
IT'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF COVERAGE BECAUSE OF THAT ALONE.
SO, UM, YEAH, THIS, I MEAN, AND, AND I THINK WE COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY, I CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO WORD THIS IN A WAY WHERE WE ARE, WE ASK THE CONSULTANT TO HELP US, UH, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UH, ROUTE IDENTIFICATION AND PRIORITIZATION.
UM, AND, AND START THINKING ABOUT A PHASED APPROACH, LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTION SUGGESTING.
JUST THE LAST THING, I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE, UM, TEAM TO HELP REVIEW PROPOSAL.
CAN I JUST, UH, I JUST WANTED TO DOVETAIL A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, FRANK, CAN YOU TALK TO YOUR MIC PLEASE? YEAH.
WE'LL GET YOU ANOTHER, LET'S SEE IF THIS, HOW ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT.
JUST TO DOVETAIL, UM, A COUPLE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP, I'M, I THINK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFICACY CAN BE MEASURED AND THE DATA INVOLVED.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE RFP TO ASK THE DESIGN FIRM TO, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, ABOUT FUTURE PROOFING IN REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY, FUTURE PROOFING SUGGESTIONS, AND ALSO JUST KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION AND ASKING THEM FOR KIND OF A BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER SURVEY IN THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE MEETINGS COMING UP WHERE FOLKS COULD VOLUNTEER TO OFFER THEIR, LIKE, FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE CAN OFFER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A PRETTY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD SURVEY OF LIKE, ARE YOU AWARE, DO YOU USE THESE SIGNS AND, YOU KNOW, GET SOME, GET SOME INFORMATION AND SOME DATA FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THEY USE AND WHERE THEY MAY BE CONFUSED OR WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THEY MAY BE INTIMIDATED OR NOT KNOW ABOUT BIKE LANES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, AND SEE IF POST IMPLEMENTATION, WHATEVER THAT PLAN LOOKS LIKE, IF ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
UM, I, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE IF YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE, THE MONEY IS BEING WELL SPENT AND PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT WAY FINDING IS ACTUALLY BETTER.
LIKE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MEASURE? SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK.
I'M SURE A DESIGN FIRM WOULD BE MUCH MORE, UM, KIND OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HOW TO, BUT THE DATA AROUND THAT AND HOW TO GET IT FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE MY TWO SUGGESTIONS.
UH, I THINK WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BJORN, AND NOW I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS NOW INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED ONE ONLINE AND I HAVE ONE MORE BLUE CARD FOR YOU.
I NOW INVITE BRUCE HAGEN UP TO THE, UH, DICE LECTERN.
SO WHEN I WAS ON PAC, WE FORMED A PETALUMA GREEN LANE GROUP TO RAISE SOME MONEY FOR WAYFINDING.
WE HAD ABOUT, I THINK, 3000 PAPER MAPS PRINTED.
THIS WAS BEFORE THE INTERNET OR ALMOST, UH, AND WE WENT THROUGH THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY FROM THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE BIKE STOPS.
AND OFTEN I'LL GO OUT AND THEY'LL SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE OF THOSE MAPS? SO I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AT LEAST.
I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED IN MAPS, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRONIC, YOU KNOW, JUST PDF ON THE SCREEN, OR SOME SORT OF INTERACTIVE OR IMPLANT IN YOUR BRAIN AS DAVID SUGGESTS.
BUT, UH, WHATEVER WE GET FROM THEM, JUST AT LEAST OUGHT TO HAVE, BE MINDFUL OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DOING SOME FORM OF MAP WHERE YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING.
UM, THE, UH, QR CODES, ARE THOSE GOING TO GO TO THE, UH, ELECTRONIC MAP ONLINE? ARE THEY GONNA GO TO WHAT? UM, I DON'T
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NEED ANY THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW.UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OR HEARD OF THE BIKE STREETS APP, NATHAN SPINELS.
UH, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GETTING SOME BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT NOT WHAT'S IN THE PLAN, BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE USING NOW.
SO THAT OUGHT TO BE PART OF IT.
UM, WE, UH, BACK IN WAY BACK WHEN ENLISTED IN SUPPORTING A GROUP CALLED PETALUMA, ELIMINATING GRAFFITI, UH, PEG, THEY REFERRED TO IT.
AND YOU GO AROUND WITH YOUR LITTLE SPRAY BOTTLE AND YOUR CLOTHS.
SO SAFE STREETS, PETALUMA WOULD, SOME OF US WOULD VOLUNTEER TO JUST CARRY THAT STUFF AROUND.
IT'S GOOD WHENEVER SOMEBODY'S TAGGING.
I DON'T LIKE THE WORD GRAFFITI 'CAUSE THAT CAN BE ART, BUT THE TAGGING, SOON AS YOU SEE IT, YOU WIPE IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UH, MAKE SURE THAT WHEREVER THERE'S A DECISION THAT, UH, SOMEONE WHO IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, UH, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE A DA SIGN OR NOT SEE IT AND COUNT ON THAT.
UH, THAT WAS THE CASE WITH OUR, UH, OUR LYNCH CREEK TRAIL SIGNS, UH, LAKEVILLE, I THINK THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
AND SHE SAID, BE SURE TO GET IT.
UM, THE, UH, THE FILES FOR THE LETTERING, THEY'LL PRODUCE THOSE PROBABLY IN, IN DESIGN AND THE EXPORT 'EM TO PDF AND THE PDFS GO TO THE PRINTERS.
SO I'M SURE THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DELIVERABLE.
YOU'LL GET ALL OF THE NATIVE DESIGN FILES FOR THOSE THINGS.
UM, I LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NAME IDEA.
UM, THAT'S A BIG PROJECT, BUT I LIKE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
UM, WE DID MAP KIOSKS THROUGH THE HIGH SCHOOL WOOD SHOP CLASS THAT HAD NOT ONLY THE MAPS POSTED, BUT HAD A PLACE FOR SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY SCHOOL ART.
I THINK THE PHASED APPROACH IS A GREAT IDEA.
IN PART, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE HATERS, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
AND IF WE PUT ENOUGH OUT THERE AND PEOPLE GO, WOW, MARY DAVIES IS HAPPY, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY.
BUT IF YOU HAD A BUDGET, SAY WE WANT TO TRY TO LEAVE A HUNDRED K OVER FOR THESE OTHER PROJECTS, WHAT CAN WE GET OUT OF THE BALANCE OF THAT FOR THE, FOR THE DESIGNS? THANK YOU.
AND WITH NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I CLOSE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND, UH, BRING THIS BACK.
UH, NOW THE COMMITTEE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE ALPHABET AND GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE, UH, FOR, FOR COMMENTS, UH, TO GIVE TO BJORN.
UH, SO ALPHABET LOOKS LIKE THIS.
UH, COULD WE GET AMBER FIRST PLEASE? THE QR CODE IS REALLY INTRIGUING TO ME, AND I THINK IT CAN BE USED FOR MORE THAN JUST THE MAPS AND THE WAY FINDING, THE CITY'S PUTTING TIME INTO THE PIECES OF ART AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE HIGHLIGHTED ON A MAP TO HIGHLIGHT THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY'S DOING AS WELL AS VISITOR CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, JUST, YEAH, A FEW SUGGESTIONS.
UH, FOR THE RFP, UH, I'M WONDERING IF WE WANNA GUIDE THE CONSULTANTS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE LAND USES SHOULD BE.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S JUST COULD BE A POTENTIALLY LONG LIST AS WE'VE BEEN KIND OF LISTING THEM OUT.
LIKE GROCERY SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, HOSPITALS, PARKS, DOWNTOWN, RIVER ACCESS LIBRARY, FAIRGROUNDS, CITY HALL.
JUST SAY, HERE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED.
UM, OTHERWISE, KIND OF TO THE POINT THESE CONSULTANTS MIGHT NOT KNOW PETALUMA AS WELL.
SO GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON THERE COULD HELP STREAMLINE AND GET A MORE CONSISTENT, UM, LEVEL OF PROPOSALS.
AND I THINK I WAS, YEAH, I THINK NEXT SUGGESTION, JUST THINKING ABOUT LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY.
UM, IT COULD BE INTERESTING TO SAY FOR THOSE DESTINATIONS I JUST LISTED MAYBE HAVING SOME TYPE OF SYMBOLOGY ALSO THAT COULD GO WITH THAT.
SO COULD JUST ADD TO THE VISUAL, UM, SUGGESTIONS.
I THINK FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE SIGNAGE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ALSO IS KIND OF LIKE THE BICYCLE, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE, BUT LIKE THE BICYCLE FACILITY TYPE.
SO LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO GO THE SAFEST ROUTE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THIS ROUTE WOULD BE A CLASS THREE, IS THERE A SYMBOLOGY THAT YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THAT ONE IS CLASS THREE,
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BUT IF YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER, THERE'S A CLASS FOUR.PUTTING THOSE NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T GOING TO MAKE SENSE FOR FOLKS, BUT IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF SYMBOLOGY THAT COULD SAY, HERE YOU'RE RIDING WITH TRAFFIC HERE, YOU'RE RIDING SEPARATE HERE, YOU'RE RIDING PROTECTED.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, GREEN, BLUE, BLACK SOMETHING
OR SOME KIND OF SYMBOLOGY FOR THAT.
YEAH, I GUESS VERSUS COLORS, I THINK JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS, AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO INTERPRET IT.
YOU JUST SEE IT AND YOU UNDERSTAND IT.
UH, AND THEN THE ONE I KNOW I WAS HELPING ON THE MAP, SO SORRY IF I MISSED THIS.
ONE ADDITION THAT I SAW WAS MAYBE JUST DOING, CONTINUING ON PAY RAN, DOING THE WHOLE STRETCH, JUST THINKING HOW THAT CONNECTS TO THE LUCKY'S DOWN THAT WAY.
I KNOW IT'S A CLASS THREE OR IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN CLASS THREE, IT'S, UH, A STUDY, BUT JUST THINKING HOW THAT COULD, UM, WAS, SEEMED LIKE ONE OF THE MORE OBVIOUS MISSING PIECES FROM WHAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT WRAP SAID MY SUGGESTIONS.
UH, BRIAN, ANYTHING ELSE? NOTHING TO ADD.
UH, JASON, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, OKAY.
UM, I LIKE, I LIKE THE A DA COMMENTS AND, UM, FOR PEOPLE WITH LIMITED ENGLISH, I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, FOR THE LOW STRESS WAYS, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS IS RATHER PICKING THE LOW STRESS ROUTES ANYWAY.
BUT THEN FOR SPECIFICS, LIKE YOU, YOU RATHER GO WITH AN APP FOR LIKE THE WAY FINDING, UM, RIGHT, BECAUSE I COULD GO EIGHT DIFFERENT WAYS TO MY HOUSE.
I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS
UM, AND MY FINAL COMMENT IS, I'M EXCITED THAT WE GET THIS GOING AND THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THESE SIGNS.
LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT'S GONNA BE GOOD ENOUGH.
AND I'M EXCITED THAT WAY WE DO THAT.
UM, I WILL TAKE THE FLOOR NOW.
UM, I HAVE A FEW ITEMS.
TALK TO THE FOLKS IN BLUE ZONES, SEVERAL NATIVE OR, UH, FLUENT SPANISH SPEAKERS, UH, THAT HAVING A SYMBOL OF A BICYCLE AND SOMEBODY WALKING IS GOOD ENOUGH.
YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY THE SPANISH WORD PORTRAYAL OR BICYCLE.
INTERNATIONALLY YOU SEE A LOT MORE SYMBOLS INSTEAD OF, UH, WORDS HERE IN THE US WE USE A LOT OF WORDS, UH, THAT DO REQUIRE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE TO CONSULT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I THANK THE WAYFINDING AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, FOR YOUR WORK AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND, UH, YOUR CONTINUED WORK, I'D SAY THE CULMINATION OF THAT AD HOC IS, IS, UH, INSIGHT.
UM, UH, WHAT WAS I, WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? UM, UH, THE RFP SHOULD, I THINK, REQUIRE INTEGRATION WITH THE EXISTING SIGNAGE AND HAVE THAT SPELLED OUT.
UM, EXPLICITLY THIS STUFF DONE A COUPLE DECADES, AGO'S GONNA BE GOOD TO HAVE A COHESIVE LOOK AND FEEL, UM, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT, THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY JARRING.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE PLAN COULD THEN CAN ALSO, I THINK AS YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, ADDRESS, UH, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR THE EXISTING SIGNAGE PORTFOLIO, UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING SIGN INVENTORY WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
UM, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, SOME COORDINATION WITH THE SMART SIGNAGE TO AVOID DISCONTINUITY.
UM, IT'S ALSO WORTH, UH, MAKING A, A PART OF THE RFP, UM, TO, SO THAT WHOEVER'S BIDDING, UH, WILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND ADDRESS IT.
UM, THE, UH, MENTIONED ELSE, UH, I JUST MENTIONED THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM CHRISTOPHER, CHRISTOPHER SMITH.
SMITH HAD, UH, SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS THAT, UH, I THINK ARE, ARE WORTH, UH, INCORPORATING THERE.
HE HAD SOME BULLET ITEMS AT THE END OF HIS COMMENTS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, FUTURE ROLLOUT.
UM, THE, UH, WHOEVER WINS THE BID COULD PRODUCE SOME SORT OF A EXTENSIBLE DATABASE.
IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE FANCY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZED BY, BY ROOT, UM, TO ALLOW SELECTION.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THEY WANNA ORGANIZE IT.
UM, THE PLAN SET ITSELF, UM, WE COULD REQUIRE THAT IT'S ORGANIZED BY ROUTE TO ALLOW PHASE ROLLOUT.
SO YOU COULD JUST SELECT, YOU KNOW, THESE 10 SHEETS OR THOSE 10 SHEETS,
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UH, WHICH I THINK BE VERY HELPFUL.UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, SOME AREAS WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T LAKEVILLE OR SOMETHING.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A ROUTE, IT COULD BE A PLACE TO DIRECT PEOPLE TOWARDS A, A BETTER ROUTE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT, UH, YEAH, WHEREVER WE CAN AT INTERSECTIONS TO POINT PEOPLE TOWARDS, UM, THEIR DESTINATIONS AND, AND OFF OF PLACES THAT ARE NOT AS, UH, AS GOOD.
'CAUSE YEAH, PEOPLE JUST KIND OF GO WHERE THEY'RE USED TO.
UM, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MARGE, UH, SIGNS AND, UH, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
UM, I THINK TO JUST NOT MAKE A BIKE SPECIFIC, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST PUT THE PETALUMA LOGO AT THE TOP.
UM, IT DOESN'T NEED TO, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO KIND OF SPLIT HAIRS THERE.
UM, IT'S, IT, THE SIGNS ARE GONNA OBVIOUSLY BE FOR WAY FINDING, SO WE DON'T NEED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT'S FOR.
THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR ENOUGH THAT, UM, AND THEN LAST IDEA, UM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IS CALLED IS GONNA BE CONTENTIOUS AND WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING IT.
WE DO HAVE, WHAT'S NOT ARBITRARY IS, UM, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS ALREADY, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CALLING SOMETHING DISTRICT NINE OR WHATEVER IS, IS NOT, UH, UM,
BUT I, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IF WE WENT WITH THAT, IT'D BE EASY 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, KNOWN LINES AND, UH, AND OVER TIME PEOPLE GET USED TO IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I WENT TO A SCHOOL WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE VERY FOND ABOUT COLLEGE EIGHT, AND IT WAS JUST COLLEGE EIGHT.
'CAUSE HADN'T, NO ONE HAD DONATED ENOUGH MONEY YET TO GET THEIR NAME ON IT.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL, THOSE PEOPLE STILL HAD A COMMUNITY AND IDENTITY.
AND SO YEAH, DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR, UM, COULD ALSO HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILD PEOPLE'S AWARENESS AND, AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATIC IDENTITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE, BUILD PARTICIPATION IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
UM, IF, UH, IF THEY JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS.
THIS IS, SO THESE, THESE ARE NOT COUNCIL DISTRICTS, BUT I THINK THIS WAS DEVELOPED MAYBE BY THE VISITOR, UH, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS OR, OR THE, THE VISITOR CENTER.
BUT, UH, TRYING TO KIND OF CREATE AN IDENTITY FOR THE DIFFERENT, UH, THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
UH, AND THAT'S ALL OF MY COMMENTS.
UH, SO WITH THAT, UM, I THINK WE CAN CLOSE, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, I HAD A FEW COMMENTS I WANTED TO JUST THROW OUT THERE.
UM, ONE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WAY FINDING FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO GET IT GOING.
I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US, UM, BJORN TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS REASONABLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND PART OF IT IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE CITY CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, UM, SOMEWHAT QUICKLY.
UM, DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA BE BACK HERE IN THREE YEARS DISCUSSING WAYFINDING, UM, WOULD ENCOURAGE MATERIALS AND FINISHES.
I'M SURE THE, THIS IS ALREADY SORT OF, UM, GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT, UH, MATERIALS AND FINISHES SHOULD BE SELECTED WITH VANDALISM UV EXPOSURE AND REPLACEMENT COSTS IN MIND.
UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF AVOIDING THE KIOSK.
UM, I THINK THE, I THINK OUR BUDGET'S GONNA LIMIT US.
UM, I, I HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THE 220 K, LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PAYING FOR THE DESIGN, UM, THE, THE PLAN, IF YOU WILL, UM, AND THEN MAKING SIGNS AND INSTALLING SIGNS, I THINK THAT'S THE 220 K IS GONNA GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ROLLING IT OUT TOO QUICKLY BECAUSE I THINK THE BUDGET'S GONNA LIMIT IT.
UM, SO LET'S, I WOULD NOT WANT US TO SPEND MONEY ON KIOSK OR THINGS THAT, UM, ARE LIKE, I WANT IT TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND FUNCTIONAL, BUT I WANT IT TO BE, UM, REASONABLY ECONOMICAL SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH AND WE CAN GET MORE GOOD SIGNS OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE PLAN, I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
PLAN SHOULD ADDRESS, UM, ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS, VISUAL CONTRAST, HEIGHT, READABILITY, LOW VISION USERS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT ROLLING OUT AS LIKE, I'M IN FAVOR.
UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF ROLLING IT OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE BUDGET'S GONNA LIMIT IT, SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GONNA LIKE, UM,
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YOU KNOW, UGLY UP PETALUMA WITH A BUNCH OF UGLY SIGNS.I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
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TO OUR GENERAL COMMITTEE COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA, UH, OUTSIDE OF, UH, WAY FINDING, UM, JUST MORE GENERAL OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, MEMBERS TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, AND THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.AND I'LL JUST GO, UH, I'M GONNA GO REVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND, UH, SO WE'LL START THERE WITH FRANK.
UH, FIRST OFF, I, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE AND OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THE PEACEFUL PROTESTORS THAT HAVE BEEN THE, THE PROTESTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE IN PETALUMA.
YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE CAUSE AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS CONDUCTING ITSELF IN A, UH, PEACEFUL AND PROFESSIONAL WAY WHILE, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR POINTS ACROSS.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK, UM, SO MOST OF YOU ARE PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE IF YOU'RE NOT, WE, ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE APPROVE, BJORN BROUGHT THE, UM, THE RAINIER PROJECT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND WE APPROVED IT.
UM, I WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THIS BODY AND THANK YOU TO SAFE STREETS' PETALUMA AND, AND, UH, UM, PETE AND THE GANG, AND, UH, PETE
UM, SONOMA COUNTY BICYCLE COALITION, LIKE GETTING, WE HAD, IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
WE HAD LIKE 38 COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT IN AHEAD OF TIME AND, UM, I THINK 36 OF THEM WERE POSITIVE IN SUPPORT OF, AND, UM, THAT WAS REALLY MEANINGFUL.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS IN THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO ON THE TRANS TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE TRANSIT, PETALUMA TRANSIT IS, UM, GOING TO EXPERIENCE A BUDGET SHORTFALL.
UM, IF YOU LOOK OUT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT PROJECTED EXPENSES AND PROJECTED REVENUES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, UM, THERE'S ABOUT A 23% SHORTFALL, AND THAT'S ON A, ABOUT A $7 MILLION BUDGET.
SO, UM, THE, THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS, UM, BEEN LOOKING AT SERVICE OPTIONS, UM, OR SERVICE REDUCTION OPTIONS, OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO SHORE THAT UP? FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NOT, UH, NOT AWARE, THE CITY DOESN'T PAY FOR TRANSIT.
TRANSIT FUNDS COME FROM MOSTLY STATE FUNDS.
THERE'S A FEW ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT ON A CERTAIN THING.
THERE'S ABOUT A, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT COMES FROM, A LITTLE BIT COMES FROM THE FEDERAL, A LOT OF IT COMES FROM THE STATE.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE ONE MORE.
THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S GONNA MEET IN FEBRUARY.
THERE'S GONNA BE ONE MORE PRESENTATION TO THE TAC WITH, UM, SERVICE REDUCTION ALTERNATIVES.
AND I PERSONALLY AM ENCOURAGING THE COMMUNITY TO, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, AND I DO THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CROSSOVER IN, IN WITH PAC, I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT GETTING AROUND TOWN AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT INTERESTS YOU, BE AWARE OF IT.
UM, IF IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU SHOW UP AND, AND LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING, WHAT, WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED.
AND FEEL FREE TO GIVE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
UM, I THINK THESE BODIES ARE IMPORTANT FOR THIS.
LIKE THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT ON THIS WAY FINDING IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
THE WORK THAT THIS BODY'S DONE ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS A FEW TIMES, THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER TO GUIDE THE CITY ON HOW WE WANT TO SEE THINGS DONE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE WITH THE TRANSIT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
AND SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO GIVE THEIR INPUT OR AT LEAST BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UH, AND THAT'S THE END OF MY COMMENT.
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JOANNA, ANY GENERAL COMMENTS? NO.AND THEN JASON, GENERAL COMMENTS.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I'M ALSO ON THE LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT SITE COUNCIL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS COMING UP CURRENTLY, SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH BICYCLES, AND FRANK, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL ITSELF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS THE QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT E-BIKES.
NOW, FROM THE SCHOOL'S PERSPECTIVE, LIKE MOST THINGS, WHEN THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL DANGER, WHICH IS VERY REAL FOR THE WAY THAT SOME OF THE CHILDREN WHO GO, WHO, OR THE STUDENTS WHO USE E-BIKES, ACTUALLY UTILIZE THEM.
UM, THE BASIC WAY THAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT IS TO JUST BAN THEM OUTRIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING.
IT'S QUICK AND EASY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
YOU CAN MAKE A RULE AND DO THAT.
PERSONALLY, I'M NOT ENTIRELY FOR THAT SOLUTION, ALTHOUGH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY THAT BECOMES THE, THE REASON WHY YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING.
YOU WANNA PROTECT CHILDREN, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT, UM, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU GO WITH.
UM, WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD, UH, SOMEWHAT, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF E-BIKES, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY'RE UTILIZED.
PARENTS DON'T HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THEM.
SO WHAT THEY END UP BUYING COULD BE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T EVEN STREET LEGAL, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY THEIR KID A NICE CHRISTMAS PRESENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION AND THEN POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BY THE SCHOOLS TO ENCOURAGE BETTER UTILIZATION OF E-BIKES.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR GROUP SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE A GOOD INPUT ACROSS THE CITY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LAW IS NOT THE ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT DEALING WITH THIS.
AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTIES TOO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT IN THE NEWS.
THERE'S BEEN, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
SO IF THERE ARE GOOD IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT SAFELY THE UTILIZATION OF E-BIKES WITHIN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, ANY IDEAS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE BUILDING THAT SORT OF, UM, MESSAGING INTO THEIR SAFETY PLANS, INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S EVEN JUST HOW TO DIRECT, UM, PEOPLE USE THEM IN AND OUT OF THEIR SCHOOLS, SAFE ROUTES, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, UM, SUGGESTIONS, UM, BEST PATHING SUGGESTIONS, WHETHER OR NOT TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT STILLS A BIG CONFUSION FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
UM, AND JUST STUFF LIKE THAT WHERE FROM A CYCLING COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT TAKE SOME OF THAT AS A KIND OF SOMETHING THAT AND IS INHERENTLY KNOWN, IT DEFINITELY ISN'T.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE SENDING THAT MY WAY SO I CAN THEN PASS THAT ON, UM, TO THE SCHOOL LEADERS AND HELP THEM CRAFT GOOD RULES FOR THE STUDENTS.
I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS,
UH, YEAH, JUST FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT IF IT'S NOT AGENDAS, WE CAN'T HAVE LIKE A FULL, YOU KNOW, FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION, BUT, BUT YOU CAN SEND BRIAN YOUR THOUGHTS.
I WAS PLANNING ON ADDRESSING THE SAME IN MY STAFF COMMENT TONIGHT, SO I CAN, HAPPY TO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TEE SOMETHING UP.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, MOVING UP THE LIST.
ADAM, ANYTHING TO BRING TO THE COMMITTEE? YEAH, I CAN TRY NOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT JUST REPLY TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON.
SO, S-C-T-C-A, UH, AND THE, AND SONOMA COUNTY HEALTH, UH, HOLDS QUARTERLY, UH, VISION ZERO ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WHICH IS A COMPRISE, UM, OF SONOMA COUNTY BIKE COALITION AND, UH, THE JURISDICTIONS.
AND THIS CAME UP IN THIS, THE MEETING JUST THIS RECENTLY.
AND I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, PROVIDENCE HEALTH AND HAS DONE SOME WORK ON THIS AND IS, UH, GOING, I BELIEVE TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH SCBC, UM, AND TRYING TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT.
I KNOW JUST REPORTING BACK FROM THAT, THERE'S BEEN INSTANCES OF YEAH,
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KIDS WRITING EMOS, UM, INTO SCHOOL AND POLICE HAVE GOTTEN WIND OF THAT AND HAVE BEEN COMING IN AND TRYING TO DO EDUCATION INTO THE SCHOOLS AS WELL.SO I THINK THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT TRYING TO HAVE A MORE COORDINATED, UM, APPROACH ACROSS KIND OF THE VARIOUS BODIES, POLICE SCHOOLS, UM, AND REALLY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TARGET PARENTS AS WELL TOO.
SO, UH, YEAH, THERE'S WORK UNDERWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO SEND ALONG, BUT I'LL BE RECEIVING THE NOTES, UM, FROM THE VISION ZERO ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY SEND THAT YOUR WAY.
UH, DAVID, UH, YEAH, JUST A FEW THINGS.
UH, DEFINITELY WOULD ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT E-BIKE SAFETY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, ADD TO THE AGENDA MAYBE FOR NEXT TIME.
UM, ALSO, UH, A TP PROJECT UPDATES, JUST ANY KINDA UPCOMING, UH, PHASES OF THE, UM, A TP PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE COMING UP THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT.
UH, AND THEN I, I JUST MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, OUTTA CONTEXT, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THE THEME WOULD BE, UM, TRYING TO MAKE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT WHEN IT COMES TO FLASHING CROSSWALKS, BIKE BOXES AT INTERSECTIONS, UH, AND SIDEWALK REPAIR.
UM, THOSE FEEL LIKE EASY WINS TO ME.
WE'RE NOT TAKING PARKING AWAY.
UM, SO AT SOME INTERSECTIONS, THERE'S VERY CLEARLY MARKED BIKE BOXES WITH GREEN PAINT.
OTHERS HAVE A LITTLE STRIPE WITH A LITTLE TINY BIKE IN IT THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEE OR KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SOME INTERSECTIONS HAVE NO, UH, INDICATION THAT BIKES CAN GO TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE.
UM, CROSSWALKS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE TIMES, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE.
UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEDESTRIANS HIT IN, UH, CROSSWALKS IN TOWN.
UM, A QUICK BUILD ONE ON D STREET I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
AND I, THIS CAME UP WITH A COMMENT FROM, I THINK SOMEONE WHO HAD BEEN OPPOSED TO DOING THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON D STREET THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE BLINKING LIGHTS AND GOT ME THINKING THAT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT SEE THAT IT'S CONFUSING AS A DRIVER IF YOU'RE USED TO VISUALLY SEEING BLINKING LIGHTS AND BEING LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE CROSSWALK, YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR BLINKING LIGHTS, AND IF A CROSSWALK DOESN'T HAVE BLINKING LIGHTS, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE PERSON TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO, AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF, AND I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT IF WE PUT IT IN THEN AND WE'RE UPGRADING THAT STREET, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S DESIGNS THAT ARE MORE MOVABLE, IF YOU CAN INSTALL SOMETHING THERE, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA WIDEN THE STREET OR CHANGE, OR WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A BIGGER CROSSWALK, IT'S NOT MONEY THAT'S THROWN AWAY.
YOU CAN TAKE IT AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, MAYBE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE SIDEWALK REPAIR.
I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP, I REMEMBER THE MAYOR TALKING ABOUT LIKE A, A SHARED COST, UH, MODEL.
UM, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE A, LIKE LINGERING CONSISTENT PROBLEM AROUND TOWN THAT IS, I THINK, VERY FRUSTRATING, ESPECIALLY THINKING ABOUT IT FROM LIKE AN A DA ACCESSIBILITY THAT MAJOR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND SIDEWALKS AND THE, I THINK THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE LANDOWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER BEING RESPONSIBLE IS JUST, IT DOESN'T WORK.
UM, AND YOU CAN FLAG IT ON THE CITY SYSTEM AND TELL PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND THEY SPRAY IT PINK AND THEN IT STAYS PINK FOR A YEAR.
UM, SO I, I, MY QUESTION IS, HAS THE CITY LOOKED INTO ACTUALLY SEEING HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES WALK AROUND WITH A GRINDING WHEEL OF SOME SORT AND ACTUALLY REPAIR THE SIDEWALKS, UM, AND GET THAT DONE? 'CAUSE THAT, THAT I, TO ME, IS INSANE THAT IT'S LIKE THAT FOR SO LONG.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD SEE IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN FIX IT.
THAT WOULD BE A, I I THINK IF WE COULD DO THAT AND WE COULD GET RID OF THE BUMPS IN THE SIDEWALKS IN TOWN, PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE, WOW, THE CITY'S, THE CITY'S DOING SOMETHING.
UM, SO I, I'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT IF WE CAN.
UM, AGAIN, JUST, UH, E-BIKES, I THINK A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER NIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S EDUCATION, UH, MAKING SURE PARENTS KNOW THAT THEY'RE LIABLE IF THEIR KIDS DO SOMETHING DUMB, UM, WHEN THEY'RE BUYING THE BIKE.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE, THE BLURRING OF THE LINES LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP BETWEEN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES AND E-BIKES, AND NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT IS, WHAT I THINK JUST REALLY CLEARLY ENFORCING MOTORCYCLES OR MOTORBIKES OF ANY KIND, GAS OR ELECTRIC, THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE LAW SHOULD BE ENFORCED, I THINK VERY, UM, CLEARLY FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, MAKING SURE KIDS ARE NOT RIDING VEHICLES, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RIDING IN WAYS THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RIDING THEM.
UH, AND THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY ENFORCEMENT WILL HELP WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK FOR THE ILLEGAL BIKES, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT I THINK THE KNEE JERK BANNING IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.
AND I REALLY HOPE WE DON'T DO THAT IN TOWN.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, I THINK SOMETHING
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THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TRY TO MAKE THE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AS SAFE AS WE CAN SO PEOPLE CAN USE THOSE THINGS.UH, 'CAUSE IT REALLY EXPANDS WHO CAN GET OUTTA THEIR CAR IN TOWN, WHICH IS, I THINK, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT UP AS A, AS A COMMITTEE IF WE CAN.
AMBER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING? YES, I'VE BEEN IN A DISCUSSION LOOP WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY BIKE COALITION, THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR, AND THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A BIKE VALET AGAIN FOR THE ART AND GAR FOR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE ANTIQUE FAIR ON APRIL, UH, 26TH.
AND THEY WERE, WANTED OUR COMMITTEE TO HEAR ABOUT IT, THAT IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN.
I BELIEVE THE CITY'S PUTTING UP THE FUNDS FOR IT, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY ONE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO SEE IT HAPPEN FOR ALSO LIKE THE ART AND GARDEN FESTIVAL AND THE FALL ANTIQUE FAIR, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP TO PUSH TO MAKE, SO THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION OF MAYBE BREAKING UP SOME OF THE PARKING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE E-BIKES AND THE STANDARD BIKES.
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE EITHER.
I, I GET INFORMATION FROM A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT THEY ARE AT LEAST TRYING TO PROMOTE THE U THE RIDING OF THE BIKES AND HAVING SPACE FOR THEM TO PARK FOR THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS.
UH, MY TURN, UM, COUPLE ITEMS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY THE, THE MAYOR.
UM, ONE, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY PERCOLATED UP FROM THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE ABOUT, UH, FUTURE OPERATION OF DRIVERLESS TAXIS IN, UH, SONOMA COUNTY IN PETALUMA.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, HAS BEEN GRANTED ALREADY BY THE DMV AND CPUC, UM, TO, TO WAYMO.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO APPLICATION FOR, UH, REVENUE SERVICE.
SO, UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NEGOTIATION.
UM, 'CAUSE AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE REVENUE SERVICE, UM, AND OTHER, UH, AREAS LIKE SAN FRANCISCO HAVE GOTTEN CONCESSIONS AND, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, REDUCED OR FREE, UM, SERVICE FOR SENIORS AND DISABLED PEOPLE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, TOUCHES ON ACTIVE, WELL TOUCHES ON TRANSIT
UM, IF OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE IDEAS, UM, THEY'RE WELCOME TO PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS FOR, UM, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A BIG GROWING BUSINESS COMING INTO A NEW AREA.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE REALLY, UH, HUNGRY TO GET ALL THE PERMISSION.
AND SO WE COULD EXTRACT, UM, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATED BENEFITS FROM, FROM THESE COMPANIES.
UM, UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GRANTS TO BUILD ACTIVE, UH, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT, UH, IT'S WORTH ASKING.
UH, ANOTHER ITEM IS ALSO, UM, THAT ALSO COMING UP THROUGH THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE, AND THIS ACTUALLY TOUCHES ON, UM, MS. ABERCROMBIE'S GENERAL COMMENT EARLIER, UH, BETWEEN THE CORONA STATION SMART STATION AND THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE CAMPUS, UH, THE, UH, REDUCTIONS IN IN TRANSIT, UM, COULD REALLY HURT PEOPLE UP IN, UH, A LOT OF THE OUTLYING AREAS THAT DON'T GET AS MUCH, UM, TRANSIT USE.
AND SO THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, 1.2 MILES, UM, ALONG SOME MOUNTAIN PARKWAY, UH, THAT IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR STUDENTS TO GET TO AND FROM THAT SMART STATION, UM, THE A TP SHOWS A SEPARATED CLASS FOR BIKE LANE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS SCHEDULE WISE ON PRIORITY LIST, UM, IN, IN A TP PROJECTS.
UH, BUT THAT IS A, UH, AN IMPORTANT LITTLE CORRIDOR.
UM, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO BETTER THAN A GLASS FOUR BIKE LANE THERE.
UM, SNOW MOUNTAIN PARKWAY, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT JUST BE TWO LANES FOR CARS, UH, AND THEN A LINEAR PARK
UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER PROJECT.
UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT DID COME UP AS A, A POINT OF CONCERN FOR JC USERS AND TRANSIT USERS, UH, IN THAT CORNER OF THE CITY.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT LANE ON SNOW MOUNTAIN PARKWAY BIKE LANE IS JUST A GUTTER.
IT'S LIKE AN EXTRA WIDE GUTTER, AND IF YOU'VE EVER RID DOWN THAT, IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE
UM, I ALSO HAVE BEEN SERVING ON THIS COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH ADAM, UM, FOR PROPOSED RIVER, UH, GREENWAY, WHICH WOULD TIE INTO, UH, PATHS AROUND THE CITY.
UM, THAT'S, UH, ORGANIZED THROUGH THE FRIENDS OF THE PETALUMA RIVER.
AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS, UH, OVER THE WINTER, UH, ON THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY FROM THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL UP TO CORONA ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH, UH, THE FACTORY OUTLET, UM, MALLS THERE, UH, IN THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS,
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WE'VE SO FAR BEEN DISCUSSING KIND OF FEATURES AND TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH.UM, IT'S A REALLY COOL PROJECT.
IT'S A LONG-TERM THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN FIND FUNDING, MAYBE IT'LL HAPPEN SOONER.
ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS PROPOSED GREENWAY, UM, PLEASE COME TALK WITH MYSELF OR ADAM.
UH, AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT THERE, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMENT BY ABIGAIL SMITH ABOUT GREEN BIKE BOXES.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S PRIORITIZED.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY GOING UP ALL OVER TOWN IN THE LAST, UH, COUPLE YEARS.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT PROGRESS.
UH, THIS COMMENT HIGHLIGHTED LAKEVILLE AND D STREET.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, MAKES AN INTERSECTION A, A GOOD OR BAD CANDIDATE, UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT SHOULD BE A, A HIGH PRIORITY.
UH, I GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION ON MY BIKE ALL THE TIME, AND I'M A COMFORTABLE CYCLIST GOING UP TO THE, THE FRONT AND TAKING MY SPACE IN THE INTER IN THE, UH, CROSSWALK OR WHEREVER I NEED TO.
BUT, UH, PUTTING THOSE GREEN BOXES, UH, REALLY MAKES IT OBVIOUS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LESS CONFIDENT THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THAT SPACE, AND THAT IS THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE WHERE YOU'RE MOST VISIBLE.
UM, AND THAT IS MY LAST COMMENT.
ARE THE GREEN BOXES SIDE CAMERAS, SIGNAL CAMERAS OFTEN? YES.
UH, YEAH, THE SIGNAL CAMERAS ARE GREAT.
UM, NOT ON MY LIST HERE, BUT, UH, COUPLE TIMES RECENTLY TRYING TO CROSS LAKEVILLE ON A BIKE, UM, ONCE WITH MY KIDS, ONCE WITH THE DOG GOT SKIPPED MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS NO, NO CAMERA, AND SO I'M KIND OF WAITING FOR SOME CAR TO, TO GET ME THROUGH.
IT'S NOT THE KIND OF INTERSECTION, UM, THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT, AT CASA GRANDE OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE OVER THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GET THROUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE LIGHT, UH, AND, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA PICK YOU UP ON THE BIKE.
UM, YEAH, HOT DAY WITH MY KIDS SITTING THERE GOING THROUGH A COUPLE CYCLES, LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? UM, NOT A LOT OF CROSSWALKS OUT THERE EITHER.
UH, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS CALTRANS TERRITORY.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, IF THE CITY HAD ANY INFLUENCE TO ASK FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF PUTTING, DID YOU TRY A CUSTOMER SERVICE REQUEST? I WILL DO THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WITH, WITH CALTRAN C WITH WITH CALTRANS THE CALTRAN CSR FORM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, CAMERAS ARE THE BEST SOLUTION OR IF IT COULD, IF THE CYCLES COULD JUST, UM, ALWAYS ASSUME A FALSE NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GIVE THE CROSS TRAFFIC A CHANCE MM-HMM
EVERY CYCLE AND NOT COMPLETELY SKIP OVER IT.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A PRIORITIZED JUST FOR PEOPLE ON LAKEVILLE.
AND THAT'S, UH, YEAH, IT'S HARD FOR ANYONE TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
UM, AND THERE ARE AMENITIES OVER THERE.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE MARINA AND THE, UM, AND THE DOG PARK AND SCHULLENBERGER.
I NOW CLOSE COMMITTEE COMMENT AND OPEN THE FLOOR FOR
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STAFF COMMENT.LOTS OF, UM, GOOD DISCUSSION TOPICS RAISED.
UM, I WILL JUST SAY ON THE, ON THE BIKE BOXES, UM, SINCE A COUPLE OF YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE, UH, REALLY WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE WHENEVER WE DO ANY SORT OF A, A BIG PAVING OR STRIPING PROJECT, OR EVEN WITH THE, THE RECENT SLURRY SEALS, WE ADDED A BIKE BOX, UM, AT THE ELI INTERSECTION WITH SNOW MOUNTAIN PARKWAY.
SO, UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY BEING ROLLED OUT KIND OF IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION AS PROJECTS OCCUR.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, UM, I DO THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME UPCOMING WORK ON D STREET.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD THOSE BIKE BOXES AT LAKEVILLE, UH, TO SOME OTHER WORK WE'LL BE DOING IN THE AREA.
I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT SUGGESTION.
I ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT MYSELF WHEN, WHEN I WAS ON PBAC BACK IN, UH, 2015.
SO, UM, UH, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK TO GET THAT THE INCLUDED THERE.
UM, I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A QUICK REMINDER THAT ON OUR A TP, WE DID INCLUDE A TABLE THAT OUTLINES CURRENT LOCAL AND STATE REGULATIONS, UH, AS, AS WE UNDERSTAND THEM ABOUT, UM, THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WHEELED DEVICES AND, UH, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, WHERE YOU CAN RIDE THEM AND ANY OTHER KIND OF CONDITION SO THAT, UH, BRIAN COULD BE KIND OF A RESOURCE, UH, IF THIS IS EASY ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND DIFFERENTIATING TO, UH, IF WE'VE GOT AN ASTERISK, THAT MEANS IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REGULATE LOCALLY, CREATE OUR OWN ORDINANCE AND RULES AROUND, UM, UH, AND IF IT, IF THERE'S NO ASTERISK, THEN THAT MEANS IT JUST BASICALLY DEFAULTS TO THE CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY ROOM FOR LOCAL, UH, INTERVENTION.
UM, BUT ON THAT TOPIC, I WAS, UH, UH, I JOINED A, UH, LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION,
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UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, ALONG WITH A COUPLE MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON E-BIKES AND E MOTORCYCLES IN CALIFORNIA.AND, UH, THERE WAS REALLY BROAD AGREEMENT, UH, FROM EVERYONE ON THE CALL.
I MEAN, CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE WERE ON THIS CALL.
UH, I THINK EVERYONE WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP AT THE STATE LEVEL BECAUSE YOU COULD GET INTO A REALLY MURKY SITUATION WHERE IF EVERY CITY IS CREATING ITS OWN RULES, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CHAOS, RIGHT? IT'S GOING LIKE, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE BIG, UH, METROPOLITAN AREAS WHERE YOU COULD CROSS A STREET AND BE IN A DIFFERENT CITY, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO DIFFERENT RULES.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT ANYTHING, ANY, UH, REGULATORY INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY, I THINK EVERYONE IS ALIGNED IN WANTING TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AT A STATE LEVEL, SIMILAR TO HOW WE KIND OF GOVERN TRAFFIC RULE TRAFFIC LAWS, RIGHT? UM, AND I, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF RECOGNITION ON THE CALL THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE CALLING IT AN E-BIKE PROBLEM, BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING ARE IN FACT, E MOTORCYCLES THAT THESE KIDS SHOULD NOT BE IN POSSESSION OF, RIGHT? THAT THEY'RE LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE.
UM, SO, UH, DEFINITELY THERE'S RECOGNITION THAT THAT MUCH MORE PARENT EDUCATION IS NEEDED.
UH, SO THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT AT ALL LEVELS LOCALLY AND AT THE STATE LEVEL.
UM, I DO THINK SCHOOLS PLAY A REALLY KEY PART, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY COULD PLAY A KEY ROLE IN THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A DIRECT LINE OF COMMUNICATION TO PARENTS THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO MY IDEA IS, YOU WERE TALKING IS THAT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO RECONVENE OUR SAFE ROUTES TASK FORCE, CALL ALL THE SUPERINTENDENTS IN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS WITH OUR PD, UH, BECAUSE I DO THINK, I MEAN, BE, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE SCHOOLS TAKE STEPS TO BAN THINGS IF THEY WITHOUT FIRST TRYING EDUCATION, RIGHT? THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A KIND OF AN EXTREME MEASURE TO GO TO, UM, IF EDUCATION HASN'T REALLY BEEN ATTEMPTED FIRST.
UM, AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT WE CAN HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THERE.
UM, I KNOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO MORE PROACTIVE EDUCATION, UH, AND THEY'RE TRYING, AND THEY ARE STARTING TO IMPOUND BIKES WHEN THEY SEE 'EM, WHEN THEY SEE KIDS ON E MOTORCYCLES.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING A LOT MORE ON SOCIAL MEDIA TOO, TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, YEAH, SO I THINK I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT THERE.
UM, I, I DO, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE PILOT THAT WAS ROLLED OUT IN MARIN COUNTY AND IN SAN DIEGO LAST YEAR, WHICH BANNED CLASS TWO E-BIKES FOR KIDS UNDER 16.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THAT WERE, UH, PURSUED AT A STATE LEVEL BASED ON, UM, EVERYTHING I, BASED ON THE COLLECTIVE HEARTACHE THAT, UH, WE ARE HEARING ABOUT IN ALL THE CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
UM, THAT'S SEEMS TO ME LIKE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE HAS BEEN A PILOT IN PLACE NOW FOR A YEAR IN MARIN AND IN IN SAN DIEGO.
UH, SO I'LL, I'LL KIND OF LEAVE THAT THERE.
UM, I, OTHER COMMENTS AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY AGENDIZE, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK THE SAFE ROUTES TASK FORCE IS A REALLY GOOD FORUM POTENTIALLY TO, TO START TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE EDUCATION FRONT.
UM, THERE, LET'S SEE, WHAT I, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT MENTIONED THE AWARD OF OUR RAINIER CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, UH, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
SO THAT'LL PROBABLY, THAT'LL HOPEFULLY BE, UH, STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN MID-MARCH.
AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT PROJECT COMPLETED BY, UM, MID TO LATE AUGUST.
UH, AND THAT WILL, UH, DUNNO IF YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS, BUT IT INCLUDES PROTECTED BIKE LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION, PARKING PROTECTED IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, CURB PROTECTED, UM, WILL INCLUDE NEW AND UPGRADED CROSSWALKS, UH, FLASHING BEACONS AT ALL THE UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALKS.
UM, AND, UH, AND THEN PROBABLY THE MOST NOTEWORTHY CHANGE WILL BE, UM, THE INTRODUCTION OF A ROUNDABOUT AT THE MARIA DRIVE INTERSECTION.
I MEAN, THAT'LL, FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, OUR, YOU KNOW, OF THE, OF THE MAJOR KIND OF COMPLETE STREETS PROJECTS THAT THE CITY'S DONE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE BOULEVARD NORTH MCDOWELL.
NOW RAINIER, THIS ONE, I THINK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, UM, IS, UH, PROBABLY THE, THE, THE BOLDEST IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING KIND OF THE, THE LATEST AND GREATEST IN, IN STREET DESIGN, UH, PRACTICES.
SO, UM, WITH EACH OF THESE PROJECTS, HOPEFULLY WE, WE CONTINUE TO, TO, TO PUSH IT A LITTLE, PUSH THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE DESIGN FRONT TO, TO NOT ONLY SLOW, UH, SPEEDS AND IMPROVE SAFETY, BUT
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ALSO TO, UM, ENCOURAGE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.UM, AND ON THAT NOTE, OUR NEXT MAJOR PROJECTS WILL BE ON CALL FIELD LANE AND ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH.
SO LATER THIS MONTH WE'LL BE KICKING OFF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
WE'RE JUST GONNA ROLL, ROLL IT ALL IN TANDEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING END OF THIS MONTH, UM, FEBRUARY 26TH AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO DISCUSS THESE TWO PROJECTS.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE FOLLOWING WEEK, UH, I WILL BRING THE SAME PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMITTEE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO NO PRESSURE TO ATTEND THAT COMMUNITY, UH, WORKSHOP UNLESS YOU WANT KIND OF HEAR THE, THE BROADER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND, AND TAKE PART IN THAT, UM, UH, 'CAUSE WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COVER THE SAME AT PBAC.
SO WE HAVE FUNDING, WE HAVE GRANT FUNDING TO PAVE CALL FIELD.
SO CALL FIELD TO GET PAVED FROM PAYAN TO GARFIELD.
UM, AND, UH, AND THAT'LL BE IN, IN 2027.
WE'RE GETTING THE DESIGN STARTED ON THAT RIGHT NOW AND HOPE TO HAVE THAT, UH, THAT'LL BE OUT TO BID.
SIMILAR TIMING TO RAINIER, WHERE WE WOULD BID IT IN LATE 26 AND THEN AWARD IT AT COUNCIL IN EARLY 27.
UM, AND ALL SIGNS POINT TO LANE, LANE REDUCTION THERE.
NO NEED FOR DEFINITELY NO, NO NEED FOR FOUR LANES ON CALL FIELD AND LIKEWISE ON ELI.
UM, VOLUMES DO NOT NECESSITATE FOUR AND FIVE LANES OUT THERE.
SO MAJOR OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, MAKE SOME REAL MEANINGFUL COMPLETE STREETS IMPROVEMENTS FOR ALL ROAD USERS ON BOTH OF THESE CORRIDORS.
UM, AND, AND SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS POTENTIAL FOR A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT CALL FIELD ELI INTERSECTION, WHICH IS, UH, CHALLENGING TO NAVIGATE WITH HOW BIG IT IS AND HOW MANY LANES THERE ARE.
SO, UM, BRINGING THAT DOWN TO A SINGLE LANE, GETTING A ROUNDABOUT, NOT ONLY WILL IT BE A LOT SAFER, BUT SHOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYONE WHO DRIVES THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO WE'LL BE KIND OF KICKING THAT OFF.
UM, AND, UH, OH, AND I DIDN'T, SO WITH ELI, I MENTIONED THE CALL FIELD FUNDING AND THE PAVING.
UH, WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO BE SLURRY SEALING ELI AND THEN MAKING THE STRIPING CHANGES AFTER.
AND WE DO HAVE GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BIG ITEM FOR OUR MARCH MEETING.
UH, WE WILL ALSO HAVE A COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST FOR THE, OUR FRIENDS AT, UH, PETALUMA RIVER PARK.
THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL, THEY WERE INVITED TO APPLY TO A GRANT TO HELP FUND, UH, PHASE ONE OF THEIR PROJECT.
AND IT'S, UH, ONE OF THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THEY HAVE TO COME TO PAC AND GET THEIR COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST APPROVED TO BASICALLY SHOW THAT, DEMONSTRATE THAT ANY, UH, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN DESIGN ELEMENTS IN THEIR PROJECT WILL BE, UM, UH, ALL AGES AND ABILITIES COMPLIANT, UM, LOW, LOW STRESS, AND, UH, WHICH IS INHERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE DESIGNING PATHWAYS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT THEY WILL INCORPORATE, UM, THE LATEST AND GREATEST IN A DA DESIGN.
SO, UM, YOU'LL BE ASKED TO VOTE ON THAT TO CER BASICALLY TO CERTIFY IT.
IT'S KIND OF A FORMALITY THAT, UM, WE TAKE CARE OF AND, UH, AND THAT WILL HELP THEM MEET THEIR GRANT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE WANNA PRIORITIZE FOR THAT? MAR? I FEEL LIKE CALL FIELD ELI IS GONNA BE A BIG ITEM, AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT AGENDA.
THAT'S, OH, I HAVE TO MAKE A PIT PLUG FOR DEB FOX WHO ASKED ME TO PROMOTE, UM, THE UPCOMING CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK ROUND TABLE.
SHE SAID IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE MEMBERS FROM PBA THERE THEY ARE HAVING A BRING YOUR OWN LUNCH, UH, ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH FROM NOON TO ONE 30 AT THE LIBRARY.
UH, AND I WILL FORWARD THE INVITE TO THE COMMITTEE.
UH, IT'S GOT A LINK WHERE YOU CAN RSVP, UM, GOOD PLACE TO CONNECT WITH OTHER, UH, CLIMATE MINDED FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE, UH, AND, AND HEAR ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON.
AND THEN ALSO JUST REMINDER ABOUT MELISSA'S INVITATION TO JOIN THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION AREA WORKING GROUP.
THEY REALLY, REALLY WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM PBAC THERE.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE I EMAILED YOU ALL ABOUT THAT, UH, A WHILE BACK.
I'M HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOUR TOP, TO THE TOP OF YOUR INBOXES THOUGH, OR JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO BE CONNECTED WITH THEM.
UM, THAT INCLUDES LIKE A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD,
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RIGHT? THAT SECTION OF PROPERTY JUST NORTH, I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF THE STATIONARY PLAN.THE, THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY ACROSS CORONA FROM THE STATION.
I BELIEVE SO, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES, IT ACTUALLY IS NOT JUST THE STATION AREA, BUT IT'S ALSO THE, THE ENTIRE NORTH MCDOWELL CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EAST WASHINGTON.
WHICH I WOULDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THAT END TO BE STATIONARY, BUT IT, IT, SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CORRIDOR PLAN FOR NORTH MCDOWELL PLUS A STATION AREA PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO CALL OFF WITH THAT I THINK IS A REALLY EXCITING PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE FEW OPPORTUNITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE IN PETALUMA, WE MAY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN WILL INCLUDE SOME MEANINGFUL HOUSING.
THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE POTENTIAL REDEVELOP OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, SO I, I JUST, I THINK THAT'S A YEP.
UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING NOW AT 8 27, AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON MARCH 4TH.