* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT, [00:00:01] SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL TO ORDER AT SIX O'CLOCK AND FOR ROLL CALL, UH, COMMISSIONER NOTCH HERE. CHAIR DIETRICH IS HERE. COMMISSIONER MARGAN AND COMMISSIONER SASSER ARE BOTH UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MCGAUGH HERE AND COMMISSIONER PERRY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY HERE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ALL. UM, DO WE HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT? WE DO NOT. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS. ALL RIGHT, THEN, UH, WE'RE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ON APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, NOTES OR CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS, UH, TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS NOW DECEMBER, BECAUSE HAPPY NEW YEAR . WAS IT DECEMBER WE HAD? YEAH, BECAUSE THE FIRST THURSDAY OF JANUARY WAS ACTUALLY NEW YEAR'S DAY. OH. AND AS MUCH AS I LIKE ALL OF YOU , I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, HEARING NOTHING ON THE MINUTES, UH, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH GRATITUDE FOR THEIR PREPARATION. UM, ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARINGS [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. UH, NOMINATION OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO PARTICIPATE ON INTERVIEW PANEL FOR AIRPORT MANAGER RECRUITMENT, BECAUSE VERY SADLY, BUT WITH CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. DAN IS MOVING ON. THANK YOU. UH, INTRODUCING THIS ITEM TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE, UM, UH, GINA BENINI PIT, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, GINA. THANKS, DAN. IS THAT WORKING? YES. YEAH. GREAT. UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER. AND, UM, I, I'LL PREFACE THE THIS VERY QUICKLY BY SAYING THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN, UM, PLEASURE AND HONOR TO WORK WITH DAN FOR, UM, SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND, UM, YOU'VE TAUGHT ME A LOT. AND, UM, YOU BROUGHT A LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT AND JUST, UM, UH, A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE THAT WORKED WITH YOU. UM, AND WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE AIRPORT AND THE CHANGES WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS ARE, ARE SO MUCH APPRECIATED. SO, THANK YOU. WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO READ THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS STAFF REPORT, JUST SO THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORDED RECORD. AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, BRIEFLY INTRODUCE IN MY OWN WORDS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, AND, AND THEN OPEN IT UP CHAIR TO YOU AND, AND THE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS AND OF COURSE, ASK QUESTIONS. SO, THE RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING, UH, IS THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION RECEIVED THIS UPDATE ON THE UPCOMING RECRUITMENT FOR THE AIRPORT MANAGER POSITION AND NOMINATE ONE COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE WITH CIVIL AVIATION AND AIRPORT OPERATIONS EXPERTISE TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE CITY HIRING TEAM AND TO PARTICIPATE ON THE INITIAL INTERVIEW PANEL. AND, UH, UH, THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDES SOME BACKGROUND AND A TIMELINE FOR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, UH, THIS PROCESS TO BE. UH, UH, AND IN BRIEF, WE WILL BE, UH, OPENING THE RECRUITMENT NEXT WEEK. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE NEXT WEEK, BUT IT WILL BE NEXT WEEK. IT WILL BE OPEN FOR FOUR WEEK, FOUR WEEKS, AND CLOSE IN MARCH, UH, AT WHICH TIME, UM, OUR STAFF AND HR WILL BE REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, ET CETERA. AND THEN THE FIRST INTERVIEW, UH, PANEL WILL BE SEATED, UM, IN THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL. AND, UM, THAT DATE, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT NOTE WITH ME, BUT, UH, MY RECOLLECTION IS IT'S APRIL 2ND. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DATE BECAUSE WHOEVER THE COMMISSION, ASSUMING THAT YOU DECIDE TO NOMINATE ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE, WOULD NEED THAT DATE OPEN. UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, A SECOND INTERVIEW, UH, LATER IN APRIL, AND A HIRING DECISION IN MAY. AND IF EVERYTHING, UM, EVERYTHING BEING THE PROCESS, THE, UM, THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, THE ET CETERA, UM, IF EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY AND PRETTY EFFICIENTLY, WE COULD BE, UM, WE COULD HAVE A NEW MANAGER FOR THE AIRPORT AND THE MARINA IN PLACE BY LATE MAY, EARLY JUNE. THAT'S OUR [00:05:01] GOAL. AND, UM, WITH THAT, UH, I, I, UM, WILL SAY THAT, UM, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STAFF TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF INPUT FROM COMMISSION, FROM THE COMMISSION. WE VALUE, UM, WE VALUE WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE. WE VALUE THAT YOU'RE A COMMISSION WITH A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE, WHETHER IT'S AIRPORT OPERATIONS, UM, UH, AVIATION IN GENERAL. AND, UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE HAVE MANY OTHER CREDENTIALS, UM, THAT, UM, I THINK WILL BE REALLY VALUABLE AS WE, AS WE ASSESS APPLICANTS. SO, UM, WE'RE, UH, I, I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED. I'LL BE SERVING, UH, ON THE HIRING, UH, GROUP, THE LEADERSHIP GROUP AS WELL, AND REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE, HAVE ONE OF YOU AT THE TABLE WITH US REPRESENTING THE COMMISSION. AND WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA OPEN IT UP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ANY CLARITY THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT NEED. THANK YOU, GINA. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM, SURE. I DID WANNA JUST, UM, CLARIFY AND MAYBE GET SOME MORE UNDERSTANDING AROUND, UM, THE DECISION FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE FIRST PANEL, BUT NOT THE LATER PANEL. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE'S NOT A DESIRE FOR THE COMMISSION REPRESENTATION ON BOTH OF THOSE PANELS? I THINK THAT, UM, UH, THAT OUR , UM, LET'S SEE, LET ME BACK UP. I, I WILL SAY THAT OUR NORMAL HIRING PROCESS WOULD PRECLUDE INVOLVEMENT FROM ANY OF OUR CCBS COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, BOARDS. SO THIS WAS, THIS IS QUITE A DEPARTURE FOR US. AND, UM, AND, UM, FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. AND THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION, UH, AMONG LEADERSHIP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO BRING THE COMMISSION IN WHERE YOU WOULD BE MOST NEEDED. AND, AND THAT FIRST INTERVIEW IS WHERE WE DO SO MUCH OF THE, THE VETTING MM-HMM . OF EXPERIENCE AND, UM, AND CAPABILITIES AND SKILL SETS AND ET CETERA. THE SECOND INTERVIEW TENDS TO BE MORE OF A, UM, OF A FIT TYPE OF INTERVIEW. IT IS LESS FORMAL, OFTEN DOESN'T HAVE STRUCTURED QUESTIONS UNLESS THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT AROSE AS A FOLLOW UP FROM THE FIRST INTERVIEW. UM, WHICH, UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN INPUT ON THAT IF THERE WAS, IF THAT WERE THE CASE. BUT THAT'S, UH, AND, AND BECAUSE THIS IS A CITY POSITION, A STAFF POSITION, AND THIS INDIVIDUAL WILL NEED TO WORK WITH ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND WORK WITH STAFF, WE FELT THAT THAT FIT INTERVIEW WAS MOST APPROPRIATELY CONDUCTED BY CITY STAFF. OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, EXCUSE ME, SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY, UH, AT THE CITY WHO, UM, BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE ALL BRING TO THE TABLE WITH REGARD TO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE. UM, AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT TO LOT TO VALUE AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER THE NEXT APPLICANT IS, UM, IS THE RIGHT FIT. AND THEN ALSO FOR THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT GENERAL. SO, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DECIDE WHO'S GONNA BE . YEAH. AND SINCE, SINCE I'VE BOUGHT, BEEN ON THE COMMISSION SINCE, I DON'T KNOW, A WHILE AGO. ANYWAY, , UM, YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, GINA, THAT THE CITY IS DOING THIS. UM, AS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT WHEN YOU MET WITH JEFF AND MYSELF, UH, FOR A BIT, UM, THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE CITY TO HAVING THE COMMISSION REPRESENTATION ON THE INTERVIEW PANEL. AND, UH, UH, IT ADDS A LOT OF VALUE TO THAT PROCESS AND REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. SO, UM, LOOKING FORWARD, I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE, UM, WITH DAN'S GREAT SET OF, UM, ABILITIES, EXPERIENCE, AND CAPABILITIES TO, UH, KEEP THAT PROCESS MOVING BECAUSE THE BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT IS, UM, IS OBVIOUS, BUT ALSO THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND IS THE AIRPORT IS WELL MANAGED AND MAINTAINED THAT ATTRACTS MORE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY HERE, WHICH LEADS TO, UH, BETTER REVENUE POTENTIAL FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED. SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT. WE REALLY APPRECIATE [00:10:01] IT. WELL, I WILL, UM, I WILL NOTE THAT I HAVE, UH, A NOTE FROM MARCUS FROM PRIOR TO THE MEETING, UM, ACTUALLY NOMINATING JEFF TO BE, UH, OUR REPRESENTATIVE. UM, SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR A DISCUSSION. I'M, I'M SURE ANY ONE OF US WOULD BE A FANTASTIC CHOICE. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE TO TALK IT THROUGH AND PICK SOMEBODY. SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS FROM A SCHEDULING ONE. UM, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD HOLD THAT AVAILABILITY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'D, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT. AND OBVIOUSLY I'D BE REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. UM, BUT HAPPY TO MAKE THE TIME, UM, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND, UM, I'D BE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT. ONE OTHER THOUGHT, I DON'T MEAN TO, UM, TIP, TIP OF THE BOAT OVER FOR YOU THERE, UM, JEFF, BUT, UM, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO, TO GINA THAT IN MY, UM, PROFESSIONAL CAREER, UM, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN INTERVIEWING AND, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF CANDIDATES. I RAN THE, UH, CHEVRON PROFESSIONAL COLLEGE RECRUITING PROGRAM FOR THREE YEARS, UM, WITH 400 PROFESSIONALS GOING ON CAMPUS, ONE OR TWO WEEKS A YEAR TO 150 SOME CAMPUSES TO HIRE, UH, NEW PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS, ACCOUNTANTS, AND THE LIKE FOR THE CORPORATION. SO I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN THAT. SO, UM, AND I'VE BEEN ON INTERVIEW PANELS BEFORE FOR, UM, AIRPORT MANAGER AND I, I SHARED WITH, UH, JEFF AND, AND GINA, UM, A COUPLE OF PAGES OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE USED THE LAST TIME WE INTERVIEWED A, UM, UH, FOR, UH, AIRPORT MANAGER POSITION THAT WERE BASED ON NOT JUST SKILLS, BUT WHAT WAS THE PROJECT, HOW DID YOU IDENTIFY THE REQUIREMENTS, HOW DID YOU PLAN IT AND EXECUTE IT, AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT AS OPPOSED TO, YEAH, I DID THAT. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. BUT, UH, IT HELPS TO REALLY QUANTIFY THAT DURING AN INTERVIEW SO THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE THE CAPABILITIES OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND IN THE PAST THAT ALL THESE HAS NOT HAPPENED. MM-HMM . WHEN WE'VE INTERVIEWED AIRPORT MANAGERS. SO ANYWAY, JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE SOME HIRING EXPERIENCE AND, AND MANAGERIAL EXPERIENCE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ALEX, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE A THOUGHT OR YOU JUST LEANING INTO HERE. . NO, I'M JUST SO I CAN SEE IT. OKAY. COULDN'T TELL. COLIN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION? UM, I, I THINK BETWEEN JEFF AND TOM, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT THE BEST OF THE CANDIDATES FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITU SITUATION. SO NOT REALLY , , NOTHING MORE TO ADD . YEAH. I DUNNO THAT WE CAN GO WRONG. UM, JEFF, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD FOR, TO SHARE FROM, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S SAME, SAME AS TOM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 150 EMPLOYEES. UM, IT'S KIND OF WHAT I DO, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE ALL HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE. YEAH. I THINK WHOEVER IT IS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, I JUST THINK US BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS IS IMPORTANT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND REITERATING THE APPRECIATION FOR THAT. AGAIN, THANK YOU, GINA. UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS AND HAVE THE TWO OF YOU DO A SHORT AD HOC TO GET A LIST OF QUESTIONS TOGETHER. UH, SO TOM ALREADY HAD PRESENTED THAT LAST NIGHT OH, WITH OUR MEETING OKAY. WITH GINA. GREAT. WHICH IS FANTASTIC. SO YEAH, GINA AND MET WITH NANCY AND I, BUT A LITTLE WHILE AGO. YEAH. SO THAT, UH, I THINK HAS ALREADY BEEN USED IN THE PAST WHEN THE AIRPORT COMMISSION WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. UNFORTUNATELY, IT HASN'T BEEN ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT, UM, A GREAT GUIDE, WHICH WILL BE VERY, VERY USEFUL MOVING FORWARD. SO, OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, JEAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO, YOU SAID, OH, ARE ALREADY ON THE SAME PAGE. IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. UM, WELL, I, UM, I, I, I, I FEEL LIKE NOW I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO LIKE, BREAK THIS, YOU KNOW, BREAK THE PROP, BREAK THE TIE, BUT, UM, THE TIP THE SCALE IN SOME WAY. UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES IN TERMS OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UM, I MEAN, TOM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR THE AIRPORT AND GETTING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE WORD ABOUT HOW VALUABLE THIS IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S IN INCRE, THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. UM, I, I DO HAVE, UM, LIKE I SAID, MARCUS DID, DID ASK ME TO, UM, PUT JEFF'S NAME UP. UM, I THINK YOU WOULD BOTH BE FANTASTIC. UM, I THINK JUST GIVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING A LITTLE BIT TO THE FUTURE AND [00:15:01] HOW, UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE YOU INTO STICKING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME TOO. WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, . UM, AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT SORT OF, UM, USAGE OF THE AIRPORT AND THE FACT THAT YOU FLY AS PART OF YOUR BUSINESS USING THE AIRPORT. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, A, A NICE SORT OF FIRST PERSON, UM, EXPOSURE TO THE, TO THE FIELD. SO, UM, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD TAKE THE QUESTIONS AND THE HISTORY AND THE EXPERTISE FROM TOM AND THROW JEFF IN THE RING AND, UM, SEE IF WE CAN GET KIND OF THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. UM, IF WE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM IN THE CONVERSATION, THAT'D BE EVEN BETTER. BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. DON'T WORRY, SHE'S GONNA STAND UP AGAIN. . NO, I, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS. UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHOEVER IT IS IS GONNA BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. UM, AND I WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE DOING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ONE VOICE IS THE REPRESENTATION OF EVERYBODY. WELL, I HATE TO HAVE, I MEAN, THIS IS THE NATURE OF PUBLIC DEBATE OR DISCOURSE, RIGHT? SO I HATE TO HAVE TO DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE GROUP. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU TO YOU BET. I KNOW. I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM NO, NO, NO. YOUR EXPERTISE OR VALUE. NO, I GET IT. THAT'S FINE. I GET IT. BUT I, I THINK SURE, YEAH, SURE. YOU BET. THANK YOU FOR BEING GRACIOUS. IF I CAN HELP. NO PROBLEM. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I, I HOPE YOU DO. I HOPE YOU DO HELP . SO I GUESS, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, UM, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR, FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER NOM TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PROCESS. I SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, TOM. YOU BET. ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT YOUR GUY . ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SO OUR NEXT ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, IS THAT, UM, OH, ACTUALLY, BEFORE I MOVE ON, TINA, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF SOMETHING, BECAUSE LIFE, RIGHT? LIKE WE HAVE FOLKS AT FAMILY EMERGENCIES TONIGHT. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 2ND AND JEFF IS UNABLE TO ATTEND FOR WHATEVER REASON, COULD WE SWAP IN? TOM, IS THAT POSSIBLE? JUST, I MEAN, I YEAH, YEAH. GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT JUST IN CASE, CAN WE INFER THAT THAT, UM, TOM IS THE SECOND? YES, EXACTLY. EXACTLY. I THINK THAT'S FINE. FINE. OKAY. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU? YOU BET. YEAH. FINE. OKAY, GREAT. JUST WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. SURE. IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME BACKUP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW MOVING ON. UM, HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY UPDATE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT STEPS TO CLOSE OUT THE STUDY AND INFORM FUTURE HANGAR DEVELOPMENT PLANNING. IT'S A LONG TITLE, IT'S A LOT OF CAPITAL LETTERS ON THAT. I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THE SUBJECT. AND, UM, SO YEAH, UM, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE PRESENTED, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, UH, GET, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED THIS SINCE APRIL. AND THEN, UM, KINDA SHOW WHAT WE, WE'D LIKE TO DO, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND, AND TAKE ANY COMMENTS AND SEE IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN GOING. UM, UH, JUST TO KIND OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS INTEREST FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AND AIRPORT MANAGEMENT AND, AND LOOKING INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF A FUTURE PROJECT AT SOME POINT. AND SO A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE FUNDED IT, NOT A LOT, JUST ABOUT $20,000 JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. UM, UH, PRIMARILY WITH A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, NOT A FINAL LAYOUT, BUT CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. WHAT WOULD THAT COST? AND, UM, ALONG WITH THAT, ANY KIND OF OTHER, UM, UH, GUIDANCE AND INFORMATION THAT A CONSULTANT COULD PROVIDE WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. UM, MAYBE GENERAL MARKET, UM, INFORMATION IS, IS GREAT, BUT MARKET REALLY WASN'T A BIG PART OF THAT. IT WAS MOSTLY TRYING TO DECIDE HOW, WHAT COULD FIT IN THE SPACE, UM, WHAT KINDA LAYOUTS WERE PREFERABLE, AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY. AND THEN LOOK AT THE COST. ONCE WE HAD THAT WOULD HAVE A REPORT, THEN THAT WOULD BECOME THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS TOWARDS, UM, EITHER WAITING FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO REEVALUATE, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, AND, AND GRANTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. SO THIS IS VERY, VERY EARLY FIRST STEP. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE, UM, WE WERE INTENDING TO DO. UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS, UM, IN APRIL, UM, MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED. UH, SO THERE WAS A, A LOT OF, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, REGARDING, UH, DEMAND. AND SO, UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A, A, A BIG DATA SET TO REALLY GO TO, DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MARKET RESEARCH, WASN'T REALLY PART OF THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ITEM THAT BEAD HUNT WAS HELPING US WITH, UH, FOR THIS, UM, FOR THIS, UH, STUDY, UH, CONTRACT THAT WE HAD. BUT WE HEARD YOU AND WE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT. HE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE [00:20:01] OF THE MARKET AND DEMAND. UM, AND SO WE PUT A REPORT TOGETHER. AND, AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS DEMAND IS NOT ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF DEMAND. I I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AIRCRAFT, BUT WE DID WANNA FOCUS ON THE TYPE OF DEMAND, UM, BASED ON OUR WAIT LIST, THE, THE HISTORY OF REQUESTS, UH, THAT OUR TENANTS THAT TALK TO US ALL THE TIME TELL US THAT WE NEED MORE HANGERS. UH, AND THEN ALSO THE AIRCRAFT THAT, UM, MAKE THEIR WAY TO PETALUMA THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE OWNED AND LEASED BY THE FOLKS THAT NEED HANGERS. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THOSE MODELS. AND SO, UM, TO SORT OF, UH, UH, HELP PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS ASKED, NOT MAYBE TO THE EXTENT THAT WAS, IS, UM, ULTIMATELY DESIRED. ONCE THERE'S A, A, A MOVEMENT TOWARDS A, A, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND FUNDING. AND ONCE WE GET INTO ALL THAT, THERE WILL NEED TO BE QUANTITY OF DEMAND TYPE DATA SETS. UM, THOSE ARE HARDER TO GET. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE, UM, AD HOCS WHO, UH, HAVE HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS ABOUT, UM, REACHING OUT TO OTHER AIRPORTS IN THE REGION AND TRYING TO BUILD KIND OF A, A DATABASE OR A, UM, A DOSSIER OF, OF DIFFERENT DEMAND, UM, INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT AIRPORTS. AND SO THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. UM, IT'S JUST NOT THE STEP RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, WE JUST KIND OF NEED TO, UM, CONCEPTUALLY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE MIGHT WANT. UM, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS ISN'T AN END. THIS ISN'T A DESIGN, THIS ISN'T THE, THE FINAL. THIS IS JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY FOR COST WISE. SO IF THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, LOOKING AT, UM, HANGAR SIZE DEMAND, WHICH IS WHAT WE REALLY ADDRESSED WITH MOST OF THIS, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, UM, REALLY GO INTO DEPTH OF KIND OF THE PHILOSOPHY, UM, BEHIND IT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THINGS CAN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE AND MARKETS CAN CHANGE, BUT FROM THE LAST HALF DECADE THAT, THAT, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALONG WITH MY TEAM, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE AIRPORT. UM, BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE WANT. MOST OF THE HANGER DEMAND IS ALL, UM, DESIGN GROUP ONE. SO 49 FEET IN WINGSPAN OR LESS. UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE AIRCRAFT THAT, UM, ARE THE MAJORITY. AND ALMOST ALL OF THE AIRCRAFT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. THERE'S A VERY FEW HANDFUL THAT DON'T. UM, SO IT IS REALLY A DESIGN GROUP ONE AIRPORT. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE DESIGN GROUP TWO. UM, THERE IS A COUPLE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE IN THE 52 TO 54 FOOT WINGSPAN RANGE. UM, AND THE AIRPORT IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM BARELY. UM, AND WE WANT THAT CAPABILITY TO, TO BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS ALWAYS THERE. WE, WE GET SEVERAL CHARTER FLIGHTS, UM, SEVERAL CHARTER FLIGHTS A MONTH. UM, WE ARE ACCESSIBLE FROM A, A LONG OR A WIDE GROUP OF AIRCRAFT, AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. AND SO THAT GOES INTO PART OF HOW WE, UH, REHABILITATE OUR, UM, SURFACE AREAS AND TAXI AWAY TAXI LANES, ALL OF THAT. SO, UM, SO GROUP ONE REALLY IS THE, THE FOCUS. UM, IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT DATA HEAVY, UM, FOR THE REST OF THIS, BUT, UM, WE JUST KINDA WANTED, WE HAD A LAID OUT THE HANGERS THAT WE DO HAVE, JUST KINDA SHOW THE SIZES. AND THEN, UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE, WE DOWNLOADED, UM, UH, ABOUT, UH, SIX COUNTIES WORTH OF DATA IN THE AREA. SO SONOMA MENDO, ALAMEDA, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST IN THERE TO TRY TO GET THE SORT OF NORTH BAY REGISTRATION INFORMATION. NOW, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL THOSE AIRCRAFT ARE HERE, THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR THE AIRCRAFT. THEY'RE REGISTERED OTHER PLACES, BUT BY AND LARGE, A GOOD NUMBER, ESPECIALLY IN THE, IN THE GROUP ONE CATEGORY, UH, DESIGN GROUP ONE ARE REGISTERED IN THE SAME AREA THAT THEY ARE, ARE HANGAR IN. UM, SO WE FELT THAT DATA SET IS, IS PRETTY ACCURATE. UM, WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS IF YOU BREAK DOWN, UM, UH, THE, UM, EIGHT, I BELIEVE IT'S HIS EIGHT MODELS OF AIRCRAFT. I CALL 'EM, I JUST CALL 'EM AIRCRAFT FAMILIES, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SIMILAR SIZE. HE'S THE SAME MANUFACTURER. IT'S VERY SIMILAR SIZE TO WINGSPAN, UM, LENGTH AND TAIL HEIGHT. UM, WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT, UH, 50% OF THE AIRCRAFT AT PETALUMA. AND GENERALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO 50% OF THE AIRCRAFT, 12,500 POUNDS OR LESS IN THE, IN THE NORTH BAY AREA. UM, DOWN TO THESE EIGHT GROUPS OF AIRCRAFT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT COME ACROSS OUR, OUR WAIT LIST THE MOST, UH, MOST FREQUENTLY. UM, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY TRUE FOR, FOR MOST OF THE AIRPORTS IN THE BAY AREA. UH, MUNICIPAL AIRPORTS ARE PRICE AIRCRAFT OF THESE SIZES. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS ANOTHER 50% OF ALL THEIR CARDS TO AIRCRAFT, BUT LIKE IT SAYS IN THE REPORT THAT IT, IT VARIES. SOME OF IT IS OLDER LEGACY AIRCRAFT THAT MAY NOT BE QUITE AS POPULAR ANYMORE, BUT ARE STILL AROUND. AND THEY, THEY FIT, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY FIT REALLY WELL [00:25:01] INTO OUR EXISTING HANGERS. UM, THERE'S THE, A LOT OF NEWER NICHE AIRCRAFT, UM, THAT ARE LESS COMMON, BUT A LOT OF THOSE ALSO FIT INTO OUR STANDARD 39, 41 FOOT HANGERS WITH A 10 OR 12 FOOT TALL DOOR FOR THE TAIL. UM, SO FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST DEMAND MOVING FORWARD. AND THOSE DO FIT WELL INTO EXISTING TAIL, UH, TEE HANGERS. AND, UM, UH, IT IS, IT IS THE MOST COMMON, UH, REQUEST WE GET. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? BEFORE I GET TOO FAR AHEAD? UM, THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UM, ISSUES IS WHEN WE, WE CAN'T GIVE SOMEBODY A HANGAR THAT FITS THEIR AIRCRAFT, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS, UM, IT'S A BUMMER TO, TO TELL SOMEONE, SORRY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THE LIST. WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT FITS YOUR AIRCRAFT. AND THEY TEND TO FALL INTO THREE CATEGORIES. THE FIRST CATEGORY IS THE LARGER TWIN PISTON AIRCRAFT. UM, THESE AIRCRAFT HAVE A REALLY TOUGH TIME FITTING INTO EVEN OUR LARGEST TEE HANGER, THE 41. SO A BEACH BARON JUST BARELY FITS IN. WE HAVE A COUPLE ON THE FIELD, UM, INCLUDING ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS. UM, IT DOES FIT. UM, IT IS NOT AN IDEAL SIZE. IT IS FUNCTIONAL. UM, IT CAN WORK. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE VERY, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE UPPER END OF WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, DO AS FAR AS TWIN PISTONS. I GUESS THE, THE, THE POSITIVE NEWS IN THAT CATEGORY IS, IS THAT IS NOT REALLY A GROWING, UM, SEGMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT MANUFACTURING, UM, THERE IS NOT A LARGE, UM, DEMAND FOR NEW, UH, TWIN PISTONS. UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME DIESELS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE REPORT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T SEE THE NUMBERS IN THE BAY AREA, THE NORTHERN BAY AREA. UM, BUT IT COULD BE THAT THAT COULD CHANGE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE HANGERS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE AS WELL, THAT THAT NEED MU MUCH MORE THAN THAT 41 FOOT, UH, DOOR OPENING. SO THAT'S THE FIRST CATEGORY THAT IS DIFFICULT. THE SECOND, WHICH, UH, TENDS TO BE THE MOST COMMON IS THE ENTRY-LEVEL SINGLE ENGINE PISTON BUSINESS AIRCRAFT. UM, MOSTLY CIRRUS, CIRRUS AIRCRAFT ARE EXTREMELY, UH, POPULAR. UM, AND AS IT, IT'S MENTIONED IN HERE, WE ARE HAVE, ON AVERAGE OVER THE LAST NEARLY SIX YEARS, WE ARE ADDING A NEW SERIES TO A 41 FOOT HANGER EVERY YEAR. SO A BRAND NEW SERIES IS GOING IN TO THE AIRPORT, UM, AND IT BARELY MOVES INTO A FOUR, A 41 FOOT, UH, HANGAR. SO OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS, WE'VE HAD TWO NEW TENANTS. UM, ACTUALLY AN OLDER TENANT THAT LEFT, CAME BACK, BROUGHT A BRAND NEW SEARS THAT'S JUST BEING DELIVERED THIS MONTH. WE HAVE ANOTHER THAT'S GONNA BE DELIVERED LATER THIS YEAR. UM, THAT'S APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE, THE HEAVIER GROWTH AREAS IS THIS TYPE OF AIRCRAFT. THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE COMING THAT ARE ALSO POPULAR, NOT AS POPULAR, BUT, UM, DIAMOND, THE DA 40, UM, IS ALSO FAIRLY POPULAR. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT REALLY STRUGGLES TO, TO FIT IN OUR HANGERS. IT'S, IT, IT CAN DO IT, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM. AND SO THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THESE, UM, THIS DEMAND, THESE, THESE TENANTS IS, HEY, WE APPRECIATE THE HANGER. UM, BUT WE REALLY WOULD LOVE SOMETHING BIGGER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BIGGER? JUST A FOOT ON EITHER SIDE, A COUPLE FEET, LIKE WHATEVER YOU CAN GIMME. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO UNTIL WE GO TO THE BOX HANGER, THERE IS NOTHING BIGGER FOR THEM. AND THE BOX HANGERS JUST HAVE THE LONGEST WAITING LIST. UM, THE THIRD CATEGORY, UM, IS TURBINE AIRCRAFT. AND THIS IS THE CATEGORY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT. AND IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY CHASED, I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS, UM, HANGAR DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE HAVE LEFT ROOM FOR ACCOMMODATING THEM THROUGH A VARIETY OF HANGERS. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2004, WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANYTHING REALLY BIG ENOUGH FOR ANY KIND OF TURBINE AIRCRAFT, UH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS. SO, UM, THAT IS THE TOUGHEST ONE, THE TOUGHEST AIRCRAFT TO, UM, TO HANGER. NOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE KIND OF FOCUSING ON, UH, DESIGN GROUP ONE. UM, SOME OF THE MOST POPULAR TURBINES OUT THERE, LIKE THE PLATI THAT FALLS INTO THE KIND OF GROUP TWO SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DO HAVE A PLAUS ON THE FIELD. IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS CONCEPTUALLY IN AIRCRAFT THAT COULD, COULD BE A FUTURE TENANT. UM, BUT, UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE AS WE CAN. BUT OBVIOUSLY THE FOCUS WOULD BE ON PROBABLY THE SMALLER TURBINES. UM, SO WE KIND OF OF LISTED OUT, UM, SOME OF THE POPULAR POPULAR TERM AIRCRAFT, THE DOOR SIZES, THAT ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. AND THEN, UM, KIND OF THE IDEAL, UM, HANGAR SIZE THAT YOU, YOU'D WANT FOR THAT. OBVIOUSLY, SOME, SOME AIRCRAFT DON'T NEED QUITE AS DEEP OF A HANGAR, BUT, UM, WHETHER IT'S ENTRY-LEVEL BUSINESS [00:30:01] AIRCRAFT, WHETHER IT'S TURBINE AIRCRAFT, WE'VE NEVER GOT COMPLAINTS FROM A TENANT FOR THEIR HANGAR BEING TOO BIG . SO THE EXTRA ROOM IS APPRECIATED. UH, THERE, THERE CAN BE SOME LOT OF SUPPORT, UH, EQUIPMENT NEEDS AS FAR AS TUGS. THANKFULLY, TUGS ARE GETTING SMALLER, BUT TUGS DO TAKE UP ROOM SO THAT IF YOU BARELY FIT AIRCRAFT IN YOUR HANGAR, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE, ESPECIALLY WITH RETAINER T HANGERS. SO, YEAH, WE JUST LISTED OUT SOME OF THE, THE, THE MORE POPULAR MODELS. I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF THESE AIRCRAFT COMING TO PETALUMA AT ANY POINT. EVEN IF THERE WERE HANGERS AVAILABLE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE REPRESENTED IN A LARGE WAY. UM, I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD TAKE MOST OF THE HANGERS, BUT, UM, IT DOES LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR THESE. THEY WILL BE AROUND FOR A WHILE AND, UM, AND COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITH, UH, A DEVELOPMENT OF LARGER, UM, BOX HANGERS. UM, THE 45 BOX WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE SMALLEST, UM, THAT, UH, COULD ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE LOWER THE, SOME OF THE SMALLEST, UH, TURBINES AND, UM, THE LARGER SIZE OF THOSE ENTRY LEVEL BUSINESS AIRCRAFT. UM, AS FAR AS THE MARKET FOR LARGER BOX HANGERS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THE, THE SIRS AND THE DIAMONDS, UM, WE DON'T, THE, THE, THE TENANTS THAT OWN THESE AIRCRAFT DO NOT SEEM PRICE SENSITIVE WHEN IT COMES TO HANGER RINS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, T HANGERS, WELL, UH, THE, THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE TO THEM IS YOU CAN PACK AS MANY AIRCRAFT AND HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ON THE FIELD. UM, IT, THE DOESN'T TEND TO LEAD TO THE, AS, UM, UH, AS MANY OPTIONS TO OPERATE, UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO STORE WHAT YOU NEED TO STORE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, IF, IF WE WERE TO OFFER BOX HANGERS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST, UM, UH, THOSE INTER LEVEL BUSINESS AIRCRAFT OR MAYBE SMALL TURBINES, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH FILLING THOSE AT ALL. UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER, UM, GOAL, UH, WOULD BE TO, WITH A PROJECT, UM, WITH SOME SORT OF HANGAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS TO GIVE THE, UM, CITY MAINTENANCE, UM, STAFF A PLACE TO PUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN, UM, AIRCRAFT HANGERS. UM, SOME ARE, ONE OF 'EM IS A PORTA PORT. UH, ONE OF THEM IS A STORAGE UNIT, A SMALL STORAGE UNIT, NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR MOST AIRCRAFT. AND, UM, THE OTHER IS A TEE HANGER. AND WHILE WE KEEP OUR FOOTPRINT TO A VERY, UH, MINIMUM AS FAR AS TAKING, UH, HANGERS THAT COULD BE USED FOR AIRCRAFT, THEY ARE DISPLACING AIRCRAFT. IT IS ALLOWED BY THE FA FOR, FOR OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT. UM, BUT IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THOSE INTO A DEDICATED FACILITY, UH, OF WHATEVER SORT, UH, MEETS THE NEEDS, UM, OF, OF THE AIRPORT. SO PART OF THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, UM, IF WE COULD CREATE SOME BAYS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE ABLE TO TAKE ALL THAT, UH, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT OUT OF HANGERS, BUT ALSO WOULD, UM, ALLOW FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. UM, WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE'S GONNA BE. THERE COULD BE AN A F REQUIREMENT AT SOME POINT. YOU NEVER, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHERE THIS, THIS COULD GO. ALSO, IF THEY, WE HAD BAYS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, UH, THEY COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS PAYING, UH, MARKET RATE FOR THOSE INTEL AT WHICH TIME THE AIRPORT NEEDED THEM. SO THERE COULD BE SOME REVENUE, UH, GENERATION FROM THOSE AS WELL, WITHIN THE CONFINES. AND, AND RULES, FA RULES ON NON AV, AERONAUTICAL, UM, USE AND, UH, REVENUE GENERATION. SO THAT'S ALSO A, A DESIRE, UM, UH, FOR, UH, AT THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT, JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZING IT UP, UM, THESE ARE NOT END ALL SIZES, BUT GENERALLY THE SIZES THAT ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE MAJORITY OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE CURRENTLY STRUGGLING TO FIND OPERATIONAL SPACE AT THE AIRPORT. UM, AND, AND FUTURE, UH, AIRCRAFT, THAT, THAT COULD ALSO BE ACCOMMODATED. THE 45 BY 45 ROUGHLY BOX HANGERS. AND THE 55 BY 55, UH, SEEM TO BE ONE OF THE BEST FITS FOR THAT 45 TO 45 BEING THAT JUST OVER A THOUSAND PER MONTH ROUGHLY AT CURRENT RATES. NOT SURE WHAT THE RATES WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE OR IF THERE'D BE A PREMIUM ON NEW HANGERS, BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY WHAT WE WOULD CHARGE FOR AN OLDER, UH, BOX HANGER. AND THEN A 55 BY 55, UH, ABOUT 2000 OR SO A MONTH. UM, SO, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE THAT WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF PUSH THIS ALL, UM, INTO, UM, A REPORT FOR MEAN HUNT. THEY CAN LOOK AT THIS, THEY CAN LOOK AT SOME OF OUR, UM, SOME OF [00:35:01] OUR DESIRED CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT IDEAS, AND THEN THEY COULD COME UP, COULD, COULD FINALIZE IT, UM, PERFECT IT A LITTLE BIT, BRING IN SOME OF THE, THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SPACE. UM, SOME OF THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED ON HERE THAT THEY INITIALLY PROVIDED US DIDN'T PROVIDE SETBACKS. SO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER SETBACKS, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER SIZES REPRESENTED ON HERE. SOME OF THIS IS NOT TO SCALE, UM, BUT WE HAVE A, A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT HERE, KINDA A HYBRID THAT'S, UM, EMBEDDED IN THE, THE REPORT AT THE END HERE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS FOUR 60 BY 60 BY 60, UH, HANGERS. IT HAS 10 50 FIVES AND HAS 1245 BY 40 FIVES. IT'S JUST KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. UM, THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T AN END, UM, DESIGN. THE FUTURE DESIGN COULD BE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT WE WANNA START WITH LIKE A BASELINE THAT SORT OF MET THE, THE CURRENT AND WHAT WE BELIEVE IS FUTURE NEEDS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN START TO GET SOME OF THAT, THAT, UH, PRICING INFORMATION FROM MEAT HUNT AND THEN COMPLETE THAT FIRST STEP OF COULD WE DO THIS? AND THEN FINANCIALLY, WHAT IS THAT GONNA MEAN MOVING FORWARD AND PEOPLE TO START ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND, UH, PUSH THIS INTO A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROJECT. SO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GET ANY OF YOUR INPUT, UM, FROM THIS, UH, WE'D LIKE TO PUSH THAT TO, TO BEAT HUNT SO THEY CAN CLOSE OUT THIS, THIS REPORT. AND, AND, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS VERY EARLY DAYS. THIS IS NOT A FINAL, THERE ARE NO DEC FINAL DECISIONS BEING MADE HERE. THIS IS JUST TO, TO HELP, UM, ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT COSTS, UM, WHILE, WHILE ADDING A FEW CONCEPTUAL LAYOUTS. THANKS, DAN. THAT'S REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, THANK YOU, DAN. THAT'S GREAT REPORT AND OVERVIEW, UM, OF OUR OPTIONS GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK IF WE CAN TIE DOWN, UH, A LITTLE MORE FIRMLY THE DEMAND, AND BECAUSE I REALIZE THERE, THERE, AS YOU MENTIONED HERE, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS ON THE WAITING LIST FOR LARGER HANGERS. UM, AND GIVEN WHAT I'VE READ FROM A OPA, THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND NATIONWIDE FOR HANGERS. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH IN THE BAY AREA, BUT EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE BAY AREA UP ON THE FOOTHILLS, THERE ARE AIRPORTS WHERE NOT ONLY CAN'T YOU GET ON THE HANGAR WAITING LIST, THERE'S A WAITING LIST FOR TIEDOWN SPOTS. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT NEED, MIGHT NEED TO, UH, FIRM UP A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, EVEN WITH GREAT OPTIONS FROM ME TO HUNT, IS TO REALLY LOCK IN THAT DEMAND. AND AS JEFF AND I HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO PERHAPS ADVERTISE THE POTENTIAL OF A FUTURE PROJECT THAT WOULD BRING IN THESE TYPES OF HANGERS IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, UM, TO CONTACT AIRPORT MANAGEMENT AND SORT OF GET ON THE VIRTUAL WAITING LIST, NOT NECESSARILY WITH A $400 DEPOSIT, BUT STILL IN SOME WAY TO TRY TO LOCK THAT IN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AND START MOVING DIRT AND POURING CONCRETE AND THEN NOT HAVE THE HANGERS FILLED. THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO. SO REALLY HAVING THAT LOCKED IN AS WE DID LAST TIME, WE DID OUR LAST EXPANSION, UH, THAT WORKED WELL. AND I'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED AT AIRPORTS IN THE BAY AREA WHERE THEY'VE, UM, USED A GOOD PROCESS, BUILT THE HANGERS, AND THEN WERE SURPRISED THAT HANGERS WERE ONLY HALF FULL. SO WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. SURE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT AND GO GETTING WITH MEAT HUNT, THEY MAY HAVE INFORMATION ON DEMAND TOO. THEY PROBABLY GOT TENTACLES OUT THERE WITH ALL OF THEIR CONTACTS, UM, AT DIFFERENT AIRPORTS. SURE. I THINK WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS QUANTITY OF DEMAND, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, THE PROBLEM WITH QUANTITY DEMAND IS WHATEVER DATA WE HAVE NOW RIGHT NOW WON'T BE USEFUL. OH, ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. SO, OH, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. YEAH. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE KIND OF HEADING AND THAT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COMPLETELY WHAT THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE, UM, ASKED AND ANSWERED. WE'RE JUST NOT READY TO ASK OR ANSWER ANY OF THOSE. EXACTLY. UM, SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE JUST HYPERFOCUSED ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE IS JUST TRYING TO GET REALLY SOME DOLLARS AND, AND LIMITS. THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE LIMIT OF MM-HMM . NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY WANT, BUT WHICH YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIT IN THAT SPACE. AND THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GET TO DESIGN, WE'RE NOT TO DESIGN, WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO DESIGN YET, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO DESIGN, YEAH, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT COME IN AND, OH, YOU CAN'T USE THIS, AND THERE'S THIS CUTOUT FOR THIS. AND SO THOSE WILL ALL COME INTO PLAY. SO WHAT WE REALLY WANTED JUST TO ASK IS HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS RIGHT FEASIBILITY'S ABOUT. SO IF THERE, UNLESS THERE WAS ANY OBJECTIONS WE'D LIKE TO, TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO MM-HMM . TO MEAN HUNT TO [00:40:01] CLOSE IT OUT. AND THEN THERE CAN BE FUTURE, UM, EXPANSION, RESEARCH PROJECTS, MODULES, THINGS THAT COULD BE WORKED ON LATER TO, AS FAR AS MARKET RESEARCH AND THINGS TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. I COULDN'T GIVE YOU THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE. THAT'S FINE. BUT, UM, I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET PRICING, UM, IT WOULD HELP ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS. UM, AS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS SOME RELIEF NOW, UH, TO THE BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE PAYOUT WE WERE ABLE TO PAY OFF THE 2004 HANGAR PROJECT. AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT COULD OFFER SOME OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT IT WILL REALLY COME DOWN TO WHAT IS THAT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, THAT PRICE AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT SIZE OF A LOAN COULD THE AIRPORT TAKE ON? YEAH. LAST TIME WE DID THIS, WHEN WE STARTED THE INTENSE PLANNING ON THIS PROJECT, THE WORD GOT OUT AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF AIRCRAFT SHOWED UP ON THE RAMP TIED DOWN. MM-HMM . GOT THEMSELVES ON THE WAITING LIST. SO THAT MAY GENERATE INTEREST TOO IN UH, SURE. PEOPLE WANTING TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN. I ALSO NOTICED ON YOUR, UH, ON PAGE SIX ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UM, THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND THE, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT WENT WITH THAT INCLUDED WHAT WAS CONSIDERED BACK IN THE DAY FULL BUILD OUT OF THE AIRPORT, WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THIS AREA WE'RE CONTEMPLATING AND AIRCRAFT 200 PLUS ON THE AIRCR ON THE FIELD. SO, UM, THE LAST PROJECT WE DID, WE HAD A CURSORY ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WHEN CITY STAFF REALIZED IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. UM, BUT, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE. OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT. BUT, UM, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THERE WITH NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH SOME LABORIOUS, EXPENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. GOTCHA. YEP. WE DIDN'T HAVE A, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AS PART OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPTUAL NATURE, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, UM, ANY PART OF THAT PLANNING, UH, PROCESS WILL INCLUDE THE PLANNING DIVISION, PLANNING DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY. IT'LL INCLUDE THE FAA BECAUSE THEY ARE GONNA MAKE THE FINAL CALL WHETHER WE CAN EVEN DO THIS. AND THEN, UM, WHOEVER WE'RE CONSULTING WITH FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PART OF THAT. UM, SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES, , IT WOULD BE QUITE AN EFFORT. UM, BUT THAT, YES, THAT'LL ALL BE PART OF IT. AND, UM, UH, YEAH, IT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THIS PROCESS WILL BE THAT, THAT PLANNING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR, UM, YEAH, I JUST OBJECTIONS, I, I GUESS ONE THING THAT I, I JUST WANT TO MENTION, I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT DON'T CURRENTLY FIT IN THE T HANGERS IS THAT A LOT OF THESE AIRCRAFT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST DURING THE TIME OF THE LAST HANGAR DESIGN, RIGHT? SO, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE BEING PRODUCED, I MEAN, BEACHCRAFT JUST ENDED ALL PISTON AIRCRAFT PRODUCTION, RIGHT? AND CIRRUS IS RAMPING UP DELIVERING PROBABLY MORE AIRCRAFT THAN ANYBODY AT THIS POINT. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE FUTURE. THE PROBLEM IS THE DEMAND IS STILL CONSISTS AROUND A LOT OF LEGACY AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE AND BUILDING THESE HANGERS TO HOUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, SINGLE ENGINE TURBINE, YOU KNOW, SMALL TURBINES, M SIX HUNDREDS, THINGS LIKE THAT MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, TO FILL THAT NEED THAT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST DURING THE LAST DESIGN. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT MARKET IS REALLY LARGE ENOUGH YET, UM, TO JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, DOING A FULL BUILD OUT. BUT AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE SLIGHTLY LARGER HANGERS UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE GET MORE AND MORE OF THESE AIRCRAFT IN. SO, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT THE DEMAND AND THE DEMAND MIX IS GONNA BE KEY. BUT I THINK WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME SORT OF BALLPARK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COSTS PER SQUARE FOOT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF, UM, IF THIS IS EVEN VIABLE AT THIS POINT, UM, WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US, UM, SOMETHING TO WORK ON, FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION WE WANNA MOVE. GREAT. YEAH, JUST ONE THING THAT JUST TO TIE ONTO THAT, THAT UM, IT DIDN'T REALLY INCLUDE IS, UM, ONE POSSIBLE OUTCOME IS THAT AS PEOPLE UPGRADE, IT'S GONNA MAKE ROOM FOR MORE RETAINERS ALSO. UM, THE, THE TREND THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST HALF, HALF DECADE IS THAT, UH, A LOT OF PILOTS, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PILOTS THAT ARE, UM, EITHER MOVING OUTTA THE AREA OR ARE, UM, ARE TIMING OUT, UM, DUE TO MEDICAL ISSUES OR OTHER ISSUES AND, UM, SELLING THE AIRCRAFT. AND SO WE SEE A A, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT FACTORS WHICH CAUSE PEOPLE TO, TO LEAVE. [00:45:01] AND WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE LEAVE IN NUMBERS THAT I DON'T THINK WE'D SEEN IN, IN PRIOR DECADES, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE FACTORS. UM, THE COST OF LIVING IS AFFECTING A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO POST TERMINATION INTERVIEWS. WHEN THEY, THEY GIVE US NOTICE AND THEY SAY, WE'RE MOVING ON, WE ASK, HEY, COULD WE, COULD WE, UH, COULD YOU TELL US WHY? AND, UM, THE TWO HIGHEST, THE TWO, UH, MOST COMMON REASONS ARE THAT, UM, THE MOVE OUTTA THE AREA OR THEY'VE SOLD THE, SOLD THE AIRCRAFT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND IT, IT TENDS TO BE, UM, AGE RELATED. SO I THINK BETWEEN THO THOSE TRENDS, WHICH ARE GONNA CONTINUE AND MAY EVEN INCREASE, UM, DUE TO CERTAIN AGES OF CERTAIN POPULATIONS THAT BOUGHT AIRCRAFT A LONG TIME AGO AND PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO UPGRADE, UM, THERE COULD BE TEE HANGERS AVAILABLE THAT MEET DEMAND THEY HAVE SO FAR. AND, AND THAT I GUESS IS THE TREND THAT WE'VE SEEN IS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE HEAVY DEMAND, UM, UH, FOR THE STANDARD TEA HANGERS, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT AND IT IS ALMOST ONE FOR ONE MEETING, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE LEAVING. SO, UM, IF THAT CONTINUES, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UM, MEAN THAT IT POINT TO DEVELOPING A LOT OF TEA HANGERS. UM, THAT HAS HAPPENED AT SOME AIRPORTS WHERE THEY JUST MADE A BUNCH OF TEA HANGERS AND NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WANTED THEM. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND TO KEEP IN MIND AS THINGS MOVE INTO THE FUTURE. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE, ME, AS WE MENTIONED, TEA HANGER DEVELOPMENT IS, HAS LONG-TERM COSTS THAT, UM, THAT OUR CONSULTANT BROUGHT UP THAT WE HADN'T CONSIDERED BEFORE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A T HANGER ROW, YOU CAN PACK A LOT OF AIRCRAFT IN, BUT IT REQUIRES TWO TAXI LANES, NOT JUST ONE. AND THAT DOES INCREASE OUR, UM, MAINTENANCE COSTS. AS YOU KNOW, WE RESEAL, UH, ROWS 14 THROUGH 18 IS IT'S, WE CAN SEE THOSE COSTS AND THEY ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT. UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO. IS THERE, THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN WE DEVELOP, WHEN YOU DESIGN AND ALL THAT. YEP. YOU NEED A ROW OF TEE HANGERS. UM, BUT THAT DOES COME WITH SOME, SOME COSTS, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSOCIATED WITH THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS BEFORE WE, I WAS GONNA, UM, ASK ME HUNT IF THEY COULD MAYBE GENERATE THREE KIND OF, WITH, WITH SOME OF THE, THEY, THEY WERE INITIALLY, UH, GENERATED FIVE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS. UM, WAS THERE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THOSE THAT YOU KIND OF WANTED TO SEE AS FAR AS CONCEPTUAL THINGS THAT YOU LIKED BETTER THAN OTHERS? JUST TO KIND OF BUTTON 'EM UP A LITTLE BIT. I HAD SOME, UM, SOME IDEAS FOR METRICS THAT WE COULD USE TO POTENTIALLY COMPARE SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES. BUT I WANTED CON DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE I LAUNCH IN? UM, THE ONLY THING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS, HAS THE DEMAND INCREASED AT ALL SINCE THE HIGHWAY PROJECT IS UH, COMPLETED? NOT, NOT THAT WE'VE NOTICED. IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS THOUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S FAR AS, SO, SO THERE IS, THERE IS A, A SMALL NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT DO LIVE CONSIDERABLY OUTSIDE THE AREA. WE DO HAVE SOME SAN FRANCISCO, WE DO HAVE SOME EAST BAY TENANTS. UM, THEY'RE NOT THE GREAT MAJORITY. THE GREAT MAJORITY OF OUR TENANTS ARE SONOMA AND MARIN. UM, WE DID A COUPLE OF NAPA. UM, BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE THE, WHERE MOST OF THE TENTS ARE. ONE THING THAT WE HAVE NOTICED, AND I DON'T HAVE STRONG DATA ON THIS, BUT JUST WHAT WE'VE NOTICED IS THE FURTHER AWAY THAT TENANT LIVES, THE LESS LIKELY THEY ARE GOING TO COME TO THE AIRPORT ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THEY TEND TO HAVE MORE TURNOVER. UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SAY IT'S HIGH DOWN, THEY'RE GONNA BE LESS LIKELY TO PROBABLY KEEP THAT LONG TERM. UM, SO THAT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TRENDS WE DO SEE. WELL, I WAS JUST THINKING SINCE, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA IS A MUCH CLEANER THAN KNOTS, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. , I WOULD THINK SOME OF THESE MARIN PEOPLE THAT OWN PLANES AND HAVE KNOTS BAIL GET A PETAL LIMIT IF THEY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I ADDRESSED THIS IN THE REPORT, BUT WHERE PEOPLE DECIDE TO HANGER THEIR AIRCRAFT IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY A CONVENIENCE. 'CAUSE WE WOULD JUST THINK THEY WOULD BE, KEEP IT AS CLOSE POSSIBLE TO THE RESIDENCE, WHICH IS HOW MOST PEOPLE KEEP THEIR AIRCRAFT. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT IS, THERE'S OTHER STRATEGIC REASONS WHY THEY HANGER CERTAIN PLACES. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A WHOLE SEPARATE . WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE MEETING FOR THIS, BUT, UM, UH, NOT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S, WHAT WE CONSIDER A A NICER AIRPORT OR MORE FACILITIES OR WHATNOT [00:50:01] DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA MOVE. AND THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WHERE WE'VE OFFERED HANGERS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, MAYBE WERE IN, UM, NOT IDEAL CONDITIONS IN OTHER AIRPORTS, AND THEY, THEY, THEY APPRECIATED THAT AIRPORT, THEY WANTED THAT AIRPORT FOR A REASON, AND THOSE REASONS AREN'T ALWAYS DISTANCE OR FACILITIES. THANKS, DAN. SO I, I HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON SOME METRICS THAT MAYBE WE COULD ASK, UH, EITHER BEING HUNT TO GENERATE AS PART OF THEIR, UH, BUILDING OUT THE ALTERNATIVES SURE. OR THAT, UM, UH, YOU COULD SUPPORT . YES. UM, I THINK I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UM, THE COMPARISON OF THE PERCENTAGE, LIKE THE, WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE, WHAT WOULD OUR AIRCRAFT DISTRIBUTION BE LIKE ON THE FIELD IF WE WERE FULLY OCCUPIED, AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE DATA THAT YOU'VE PULLED OF THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE IN THE AREA? SO DO WE END UP WITH LIKE, WE'RE LIKE NOW GONNA BE 60% IN THIS ONE AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? AND YOUR DATA SHOWS THAT NO, ACTUALLY THAT SHOULD BE LIKE 20. RIGHT? SO JUST ALIGNING THAT FINAL DISTRIBUTION WITH YOUR AIRCRAFT DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING. UM, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN SEEING THE, UM, TOTAL POSSIBLE PROJECTED ROI FOR THAT PROJECT. SO NOT JUST THE COST OF BUILDING IT OUT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE CHARGING DIFFERENT RENTS FOR THESE DIFFERENT SPACES. SO, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT UNIFORM? I KNOW SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES LIKE HAVE THE HANGERS PACKED IN LIKE DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? SO, AND THEN YOU POINTED OUT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS CHANGES, SO THAT WOULD REDUCE YOUR POTENTIAL REVENUE, UH, NET REVENUE. SO WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN ASSUME EITHER FULL OCCUPANCY OR SOME CONSISTENT PERCENTAGE OF OCCUPANCY DEPENDING ON WHAT FEELS THE MOST REALISTIC FOR, IF WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. UM, BUT WHAT WOULD THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, NET REVENUE RETURN ON INVESTMENT BE FOR THAT PROJECT GIVEN HOW MANY AIRCRAFT WE'D BE HANGING, HOW MUCH YOU'D BE ABLE TO CHARGE FOR THOSE HANGERS, WHAT ARE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THAT? AND THEN WITH THE UPFRONT INVESTMENT OF, OF BUILDING IT OUT. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, I DON'T WANNA JUST, I DON'T WANNA JUST SEE LIKE THIS ONE COSTS TWICE AS MUCH AS THIS ONE. SURE. IF THE ONE THAT'S GONNA COST TWICE AS MUCH IS ACTUALLY GONNA GENERATE THREE TIMES THE REVENUE. SURE. RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT . WE COULD, WE COULD PUT THAT REQUEST IN. I, UM, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, COST PER CURRENT RATES OR PROJECTED RATES BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY CHARGE, KIND OF MARK RATE. IT IS JUST A, UM, JUST A REMINDER, THE RATES THAT WE CHARGE ARE FAIRLY UNIFORM ACROSS A LOT OF THE AIRPORTS IN THE REGION. SOME ARE A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE, SOME ARE A LOT LESS, BUT GENERALLY WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO, BUT THAT'S NOT, UM, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT IT WOULD, SURE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHARGE SLIGHTLY MORE PER SQUARE FOOT FOR A GIVEN HANGER THAN ANOTHER, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE I JUST, IT MAY COME OUT IN THE WASH. SURE. BUT I THINK I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT THAN I AM IN THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT. I WANNA SAY I'M INTERESTED IN THAT TOO. I DON'T WANNA SURE. BUT SO WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN PUT A REQUEST FORECASTING RIGHT. TO TRY TO, FOR THEM TO, TO GET THEIR BEST GUESS ON WHAT THE INCOME COULD BE POTENTIALLY ON, ON THESE OPTIONS. YEAH. UM, ABSOLUTELY. THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY EASY ONE. THE ONE THAT'S DIFFICULT IS ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES DATA FROM OTHER AIRPORTS. SO IF YOU SAID LIKE WHAT ARE THE, IN THE REGION, WHAT ARE THE, SO IT'S GREAT DATA, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF TOM AND TEAM CAN DO THAT. YEAH, NO, I JUST WANT YOU TO USE THE DATA THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. YES. RIGHT. WE CAN, YOU'VE DO THAT'VE ALREADY PULLED ALL OF THESE PERCENTAGES. YEAH. HOW WOULD WE RETAIN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE? LIKE IT'S OUR CURRENT PERCENTAGE OF AIRCRAFT AT THE, AT THE AIRPORT. SOME OF THEM TRACK WITH THE PERCENTAGE IN THE AREA AND SOME OF 'EM DON'T. AND IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO PUT THEM? OR IS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF SOME WEIRD THING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE? I, RIGHT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE LIKE IF WHEN THIS PROJECT IS FINISHED WITH THE HANGAR, WE ALREADY HAVE MM-HMM . AND THIS PROJECT, IF WE PUT KIND OF THE MAXIMUM SIZE AIRCRAFT INTO THOSE HANGERS THAT YOU COULD PUT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR OUR DISTRIBUTION? AND DOES THAT TRACK OR ARE WE LIKE, OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT? UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT TOO IS IT'S NOT JUST THE HANGAR REVENUE, BUT ALSO THE TAX REVENUE. YES. SO, YEAH. YES. UH, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK FOR THEIR BEST INFO. THE, THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS EASY. YEAH. THEY CAN EASILY SAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE TO MAKE MM-HMM . BREAK EVEN. BUT PART OF THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF POSSESSORY INTEREST THAT EVERYBODY PAYS MM-HMM . REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND THEN THE COUNTY TAXES ONE THIRD OF, OF THAT AIRCRAFT TAXES. SO, YEAH. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT I JUST THINK IS INTERESTING TO KEEP IN MIND, UM, IS PROJECTED POTENTIAL OPERATIONS THAT WE WOULD BE GAINING FROM THESE AIRCRAFT MM-HMM . BECAUSE TOTAL OPERATIONS FOR THE FIELD IS TIED TO OTHER METRICS THAT WE CARE ABOUT. SO IF THERE'S CERTAIN TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, AND AGAIN, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO INVEST A MONTHS IN, IN DATA COLLECTION ON THIS, BUT JUST FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, RIGHT. ARE [00:55:01] THERE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ON THIS LIST THAT GET FLOWN ONCE A YEAR VERSUS ONES THAT ARE OUT EVERY WEEKEND OR EVERY DAY. RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S SPECIFIC AIRCRAFT CATEGORIES HERE THAT ARE GONNA DRIVE UP AIRPORT OPERATIONS THAT HAS OTHER BENEFITS FOR THE FIELD. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER METRIC THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING. WE WILL ASK FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET, UH, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF, OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. YEAH. I, I JUST, WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT, YES. WE CAN SEED THOSE QUESTIONS IN. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. WELL, AND ANNA, I I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT CREATING A DETAILED BUSINESS PLAN ON HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK. I DIDN'T WANNA SCARE ANYBODY OFF, BUT YES. UNDERSTAND . UM, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE FAA TO UM, ENSURE THE, UH, FINANCIAL, UH, SOUNDNESS. MM-HMM. WHATEVER IT IS WE DO WELL END WITH PER AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND FOR THE CITY OBVIOUSLY. AND UM, THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT CAN GET INTO REVENUE GENERATING AS A RESULT OF MORE AIRCRAFT, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS FUEL PURCHASES AND THE LIKE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT ALL GOES TOGETHER TO BUILD THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL SAY IT, BUSINESS PLAN , UM, TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THIS THING PENCILED OUT PROPERLY. YEAH. AND I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN HAVE A TON OF SCOPE CREEP MM-HMM . SO I DO WANNA KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF A LID ON IT, BUT I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THAT LONGER TERM OPERATIONAL COMPARISON AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS ONE COST THIS MUCH AND THIS ONE COST THIS MUCH. SURE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER CLOSING COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON, ON THIS ITEM? NO, THOSE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS. YOU BRINGING 'EM UP. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. OH WAIT, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY OF THE, UH, ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE STILL DO. NO. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE, THANK YOU FOR THE MIRE. I FIGURED IT'S A SMALL GROUP. SOMEBODY WILL THROW SOMETHING AT ME IF I GET TOO FAR OFF. ALL RIGHT. UM, [COMMITTEE COMMENT] SO WE ARE ON TO OUR COUNCIL UPDATE. NO COUNCIL UPDATE THIS EVENING. WHEW. . BUT, BUT I WILL SAY THOUGH, UM, NOW THAT I HAD THE CHANCE TO TALK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, DEDICATION AND SERVICE AND, UM, YOUR EXPERTISE TO OUR AIRPORT. SO THANK YOU, DAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES, UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON HANGAR DEVELOPMENT? 'CAUSE WE JUST GOT A LOT ON HANGAR DEVELOPMENT. NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I CAN'T REMEMBER. DID WE MEET, UH, AFTER THE LAST, THE DECEMBER MEETING? I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN? UH, WHEN YOU AND I MET TO DISCUSS HANGAR DEVELOPMENT YEAH. DID WE MEET AFTER THE DECEMBER MEETING OR DID WE REPORT YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AFTER. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WAS THAT'S, THAT WAS COVERED HERE TONIGHT, SO WE'LL, WE'LL CONSIDER, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THE UPDATE WE'RE, YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, SO FOR PROJECT PROCESSES, UM, G AND I ACTUALLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROJECT PROCESSES OVER COFFEE, UM, AND GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION. UM, I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL UPDATE ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WANNA CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON AND, AND NOW THAT YOU'RE STEPPING IN, IN AN INTERIM BASIS, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK EVEN MORE CLOSELY ON THAT. SO WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE. UM, HANGAR REPAIRS? NO. YES. NO. WELL, I, I THINK THE, THE END UNIT ON ROW TWO HAS BEEN COMPLETED. IT DONE NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. AND HANGAR ROW 18, WHAT IS IT? 18 B UH, SEEMS TO BE FIXED. AND SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE ON THE REPAIRS. THEN IT COMES DOWN TO ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND DO WE WANNA KEEP THE AD HOC OPEN OR SHOULD WE RETIRE IT FOR NOW? BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY TO TRACK THOSE TWO BIG PROJECTS, RIGHT? IT, IT WAS, YEAH. AND I GUESS WITH THE BOND PAYMENTS UP ON THE, ON THE HANGERS, ARE THERE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL REPAIRS THAT, THAT YOU SEE HIM USING THOSE FUNDS FOR? IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE RAMPING UP WITH REPAIRS TO, TO THE OLDER HANGERS? UM, POSSIBLY. UH, WE HAD A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION DURING THE, UH, AD HOC, UH, HANGAR REPAIR. WE MET, UM, I THINK THE SAME WEEK THAT WE MET WITH, UH, YOU FOR THE HANGER DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, ROOFS WERE BROUGHT BACK UP. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON THE SORT OF BACK BURNER WAITING FOR FUNDING AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPPORT. SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY OF INTEREST. UM, SOME ROUGH DATES WERE THROWN AT AS POSSIBILITIES, BUT YEAH. UH, ROOFS, UM, FOR SKYLIGHTS, YES, SKYLIGHTS CAN BE DONE ANYTIME. UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EASILY REPLACED, BUT, UH, A WHOLE ROOF REPLACEMENT IS IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE OLDER ROADS. SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. UM, I CAN'T RECALL, UM, COLIN MIGHT SPEAK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, PERRY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THERE WAS A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, THAT WERE OF INTEREST. A LOT OF [01:00:01] IT WAS ABOUT ROOF LEAKS MM-HMM . AND GETTING THOSE SOLVED AND HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN. UM, IT SEEMS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT IF YOU'RE RENTING A HANGER, YOU DON'T WANT THE ROOF LEAKING. , UM, THOSE SKYLIGHTS, I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY REALLY THAT NECESSARY? , UH, WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAINTENANCE THAT IT MIGHT AS WELL JUST YEAH, PLEASE GO ON THAT. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE MAINTENANCE THING COULD USE A LITTLE BIT OF FINE TUNING, BUT IT SEEMS I DID RUN ACROSS JOEL THE OTHER DAY AND HE TOLD ME THAT THOSE BIG HANGERS OR ON A SIX MONTH, UM, MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, THAT, I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR MEETING. UM, WE DID MENTION THE ISSUE WITH CABLES AND WHATNOT, WHEELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, NEEDING SOME LUBRICATION, BUT, UH, I SHOULD PROBABLY PUT SOME KIND OF SCHEDULE TOGETHER FOR THAT. SO THERE WAS A, I, I BELIEVE, UH, SOME RISE IN THE COMMENTS. THERE WAS A INTEREST IN POSSIBLY PUTTING THE OTHER HANGAR, UH, RO 18 DOORS INTO SOME SORT OF A FUTURE PROJECT TO EITHER REPLACE WHAT, ONE AT A TIME OR TWO OR THREE OR WHAT, WHATNOT. SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS A POSSIBILITY. UM, THERE, AS THE, UM, YEARS MOVE THROUGH THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS OR SO, THERE WILL BE FUNDS AVAILABLE. UM, THERE'S SOME VERY HO HEAVY PROJECT WORK, UM, OVER THE NEXT, UH, FISCAL YEAR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIVE YEAR IS GOING TO DEPLETE THE FUNDS QUITE A BIT, BUT THEY, THEY COME BACK VERY QUICKLY. AND, UM, SO IN THE LATTER, UM, 2020S, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE CONSIDERABLE FUNDS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE OR MAYBE ALL OF THESE, SO DEPENDING ON PRIORITIES. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF FUTURE AD HOC PROJECTS OR SOMETHING WOULD WANT TO SORT OF DISCUSS? WELL, WE HAVE THE AIRPORT HANGER MAINTENANCE AD HOC. YEAH, YEAH. UM, WHICH WE KIND OF ROLLED INTO A LITTLE BIT, I THINK. YEAH. SO I, I'D BE OKAY WITH CLOSING OUT THE HANGAR REPAIRS AD HOC AND, AND JUST KIND OF COMBINING THAT INTO LEAVING THE HANGER MAINTENANCE THAT HANGAR MAINTENANCE OPEN MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, IF WE COULD PLEASE TAKE OFF THE HANGAR REPAIRS AD HOC, WE'LL RETIRE THAT ONE WITH, WITH GRATITUDE THAT IS COMPLETED, UM, AND, UH, LEAVE THE, UM, AIRPORT HANGAR MAINTENANCE AD HOC OPEN. OKAY. UM, AND JUST, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE ON THIS, BUT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF CONTINUITY AND NOT LOSING SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THOSE UPCOMING PROJECTS, DO WE HAVE THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE LIST THAT, UM, YOU'LL LEAVE ON YOUR DESK THAT WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE COME BACK TO? WE, YEAH, WE WE'RE KEEPING THAT ON OUR PROJECTS LIST. UM, UH, BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T LIKE TO PUT PROJECTS THAT AREN'T, DON'T HAVE A STATUS ON HERE, RIGHT. BUT, BUT YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S LIKE SORT OF THE NEXT LAYER BEYOND MM-HMM . WHAT WE'RE TRACKING ON A STAFF REPORT LEVEL, BUT JUST THINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND OF, OH, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THAT ROOF OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE COMING. YES. IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO JUST REALLY QUICKLY JOT THOSE DOWN. I KNOW YOUR TIME IS SHORT, BUT YEP. WE CAN, WE'LL HAVE A LIST. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE GOOD. AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE THAT INTO THE, UM, THAT HANGAR MAINTENANCE AD HOC AND HAVE SOME CONTINUITY. THERE'D BE PERFECT. I THINK THAT'D BE VERY GOOD. UM, ALL RIGHT, BACK TO, UH, MOVING BACK UP THE LIST TO THE HANGAR WAIT LIST POLICY. UM, DO YOU WANNA YEAH, SO I CAN, I CAN GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF COMBINING THAT WITH THE HANGAR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR HELPING FORECAST DEMAND, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, AS ACCURATE OF A WAIT LIST AS POSSIBLE. AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, AT OUR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT. UH, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO MOVE TOWARDS SORT OF AN ANNUAL, UM, SORT OF FEE TO STAY ON THE WAITING LIST. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO OFF RAMPS THAT IS, YOU PUT IN, YOU PUT IN YOUR $400 DEPOSIT, YOU EITHER GET A HANGAR OR YOU VOLUNTARILY REQUEST YOUR DEPOSIT BACK. BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THERE, THEY KNOW IT'S A REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT, THEY GO ON THERE JUST TO GO ON THERE, AND THEN IT TAKES STAFF TIME EVERY TIME A HANGER COMES UP TO CALL, YOU KNOW, CALL THESE PEOPLE AND, AND FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED AND HAVEN'T BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. [01:05:01] SO, TRYING TO FORECAST, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DEMAND FOR THE CURRENT HANGERS THAT WE HAVE. AND GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE INTEREST LIST THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT FOR A POTENTIAL NEW PROJECT. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT REQUESTING ANY KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPOSIT OR ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY COULD JUST GENERATE ALL SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, LEADS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SERIOUS. BUT IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF WE GET DOWN TO THAT POINT THAT, UM, IT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO DO SOME SORT OF INTEREST LIST, NO DEPOSIT REQUIRED, BUT, UM, JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, REQUEST DATA, RIGHT? SO TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, UM, WHERE THEY LIVE. AND THAT MIGHT HELP US GENERATE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS MANY PEOPLE FROM, THEY'RE COMING FROM, THE INTEREST IS COMING FROM THESE AREAS, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT. UM, AND THAT MAY HELP FIGURE OUT WHICH DESIGN WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD. UM, SO FOR RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE WAIT LIST POLICY OPEN. UM, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO AN, UH, AN ANNUAL FEE TYPE THING WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME CHANGES TO THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, I THINK IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO KINDA KEEP THAT OPEN AND SEE IF WE CAN EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT WITH THE CITY AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS A LITTLE BETTER. OKAY. YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM LEAVING IT ON THE LIST. JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? UM, LAST MONTH THERE WAS A FUEL ISSUE AND I THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT ON THE ADIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. I THOUGHT ABOUT YOU PLUS IT WAS SHORTS, . THAT WAS GOOD TOO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? GOING ONCE AND TWICE? ALL RIGHT. [STAFF COMMENT] AIRPORT MANAGER REPORT. THANK YOU. STARTING THE FINANCIALS, UH, WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR NOW, UH, SHOWING REVENUE THROUGH TO DECEMBER. UM, WITH OUR, UH, WITH FULL RECORDS, WE'RE SHOWING, UH, JUST UNDER, UM, UH, 1.4 MILLION, SO 1.39 MILLION IN REVENUES. UM, NOT INCLUDING, UH, IN THE GRANTS. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY GRANTS YET. SO, UM, JUST LOOKING AT OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 2.2 MILLION IN REVENUES. WE'RE EXPECTING WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH RECEIVING THOSE. SO WE ARE TRACKING WILL FOR REVENUE AND THEN FOR, UM, FOR EXPENDITURES, UM, WE WERE PLANNING ABOUT A, ABOUT A $2.27 MILLION, UM, BUDGET THIS YEAR WITHOUT NOT INCLUDING ALL THE PROJECT WORK. AND WE ARE SHOWING 1.67, 1.68 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF AHEAD OF REVENUE, BUT, UM, THAT INCLUDES, UH, HALF, ABOUT HALF A MILLION FOR THE LAST HANGAR PAYMENT. UM, 124,000 FOR A SKID STEER PURCHASE, UH, AND THEN 185,000 IN, UH, FOR THE HANGAR REPAIR PAYMENTS. UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE TRACKING REALLY WELL, UM, HALFWAY THROUGH THE, THE FISCAL YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCIALS BEFORE I CONTINUE? UH, THE HANGAR REPAIR PAYMENTS, THAT WAS THE, WAS THAT ROW TWO? OH, ROW TWO, YEAH. TWO THOUGH. ROW TWO. AND THEN WHEN DO, WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THE WE HAVE, WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, SO THOSE, THOSE WE'VE RECEIVED THE SETTLEMENT ALREADY. OKAY. MM-HMM . UH, FOR THE OPERATIONS, UM, JUST A STAFFING UPDATE. WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES OVER THE LAST, UM, TWO, UH, THE LAST MONTH OR SO. UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WE BROUGHT IN, UM, UH, A NEW EMPLOYEE AND THEN, UH, JUST THIS, UH, LAST WEEK WE BROUGHT IN A SECOND. SO THAT FILLS OUR, OUR ENTIRE SCHEDULE. UM, UH, UH, MONDAY THROUGH SUN, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, UM, FULL SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UH, COVERAGE. WE DIDN'T HAVE FULL COVERAGE BEFORE, SO, AND WHEN THE, SOME OF THE WEEKDAYS, EVEN THOUGH, UM, MAINTENANCE WORKER AND MYSELF COULD KIND OF COVER, UM, IT DIDN'T LEAVE MUCH BACKUP. AND SO, UM, WE'VE ALMOST GOT, UH, THE FIRST ONE, FIRST EMPLOYEE, UM, HIRED, UH, THROUGH TRAINING. THEY'LL BE ALMOST COMPLETELY TRAINED VERY, VERY SOON. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AS FAST AS WE CAN TRYING TO, UH, TRAIN THE SECOND, UM, EMPLOYEE, AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD HIRES. UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE A GREAT, UM, LONGER TERM, UM, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE AIRPORT. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET FULLY STAFFED AGAIN. UM, AND THEN, UH, FOR, UH, THE QT POD, AS, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IT DID GO DOWN. UM, THERE WAS A COMPUTER THAT RUNS THE, IT'S LIKE A CONTROLLER MODULE THAT RUNS THE WHOLE THING, AND IT, IT, IT COMPLETELY DIED. SO THE, THE GREAT NEWS IS, UH, FOR QG POD HAS A VERY, VERY GOOD, UH, SERVICE AND PARTS, UM, DELIVERY. THEY CAN USUALLY GET TO PARTS TO US, [01:10:01] UH, NEXT DAY AIR, UM, TWO DAYS MAX. SO, UM, USUALLY 48 HOURS IS ROUGHLY, IF, IF IT'S EASILY DETERMINED WHAT THE PART IS THAT'S GONE BAD, WE CAN USUALLY GET THAT, UM, ORDERED AND, UH, DELIVERED RIGHT AWAY. UM, WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE AYA OS, UM, UP TO PROBABLY OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. AND WE BELIEVE MOST OF THE ISSUES ARE RELATED TO THE TRANSMISSION AND RECE, UH, RECEIVING RADIOS IT USES. SO IT USES, UM, UH, A, A SENDER AND A RECEIVER RADIO THAT COMMUNICATE FROM OUR ANTENNAS THAT HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT ON 'EM TO THE, THE OFFICE WHERE THE THEWAS IS. UM, AND SO, UH, WE REPLACED THOSE, UH, ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, I WOULD SAY. UM, IT APPEARS TO BE WORKING. WE'RE GETTING BETTER WINDS. UH, THE WINDS WOULD DROP OUT, SOMETIMES CERTAIN DATA POINTS WOULD JUST DROP OUT. SO, SO FAR IT APPEARS TO BE HELPING. UM, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT WAS ALL THE ISSUES, THEN WE ALSO HAD A ENOUGH FAN ISSUE THAT WE WERE ADDRESSED AT THE SAME TIME. SO, SO FAR, SO GOOD. UM, AT ANYTIME THERE IS A DROPOUT, UH, PLEASE LET US KNOW. UH, CALL, EMAIL, TEXT, WHATEVER WORKS. LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING, UH, BAD READINGS OR MISSING DATA. MISSING DATA IS THE, THE ONE THAT WE WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR OPERATIONS. I, I HAD ONE THING ON OPERATIONS, UH, REGARDING THE EMAIL I HAD SENT. UM, YEAH, WITH THE NEW DEPARTURE PROCEDURE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, WE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH GINA LAST NIGHT, AND, AND FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE ON JANUARY 22ND, THE, UH, OPTICAL DEPARTURE PROCEDURE THAT WAS, HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS WAS, UH, REPLACED WITH A NEW CHARTED NAMED PROCEDURE, WHICH IS, PROVIDES A LOT OF BENEFITS IN A LOT OF WAYS. UH, HOWEVER, THE DEPARTURE OFF OF TWO NINE NOW, UM, THAT STARTS THE LEFT TURN AT 700 FEET INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUS 1500 FEET. UM, THAT PUTS MOST AIRCRAFT RIGHT OVER THE HOUSES, UM, IN THAT LEFT TURN. UM, AND I ANTICIPATE IT'LL EVENTUALLY CAUSE ISSUES WITH NOISE, ESPECIALLY WITH TURBINE AIRCRAFT. UM, I'M SURPRISED THAT THE FAA DIDN'T NOTIFY US OF THIS CHANGE. I MEAN, IT SEEMED, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED BY IT. UM, SO I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THEY CAN CHANGE THE PROCEDURE TO PUT IT BACK TO 1500 FEET. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN, IN DOING THAT, BUT, UM, I FIGURE IT'S PROBABLY ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT STARTS CAUSING SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH NOISE OTHER THAN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FDO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, INPUT OR COMPLAINT. UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ANY CONTACTS WITH FOLKS THAT COULD, COULD PUSH SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK? I MEAN, I GUESS IT COULD START WITH AN EMAIL. UM, I CAN, I CAN DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THAT AND SEE, I KNOW SOME OF THE PHYSIO FOLKS, SO, AND MAYBE THEY CAN POINT, AT LEAST POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. YOU WANNA SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH YEAH, I HADN'T, I'M NOT ACTIVELY FLYING. COMMISSIONER SASSER DOES HAVE SOME CONTACTS WITH SOME, UH, FA SAFETY FOLKS. THEY MAY, MAY KNOW MORE. MAYBE WE CAN OKAY. HAVE A LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. WELL, SINCE SHE'S TIED UP WITH HER FAMILY ISSUE RIGHT NOW, YEAH, I'LL DO WHAT I CAN, AND IF I CAN'T, THEN WE'LL PASS IT TO HER. BUT YEAH, IF YOU POINT OF CONTACT, I CAN WORK ON THAT. HAPPY TO DO IT. OKAY, THANKS. UH, JUST SOME STATUS UPDATES ON PROJECTS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, TO LIMA IS, UH, COMPLETE, UH, TENANT IS BACK IN YAY. UM, AND, UH, THE DOOR FOR AT C IS INSTALLED AND IS, IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. UH, WE'RE STILL CLOSING OUT THAT, THAT PROJECT, SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS, BUT, UH, AT THIS TIME IT IS, IT IS WORKING AND THE TENANT'S USING IT. UM, AND, UH, FOR THE CIP PROJECTS, UH, WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER ASSIGNED TO THE SAFETY ZONE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S ONE THAT'S BEEN MOVING AROUND QUITE A BIT OVER THE YEARS, TRYING TO FIND TRACTION, BUT FINDING WAYS FOR THE, UM, SEASONAL CREEKS TO DRAIN BETTER THROUGH THE AIRPORT PROPERTY TO MINIMIZE PONDING, UH, ATTRACTANT TO ANIMALS, THAT SORT OF THING. UH, STANDING, UH, MUDDY AREAS FOR LONG, UH, PERIODS OF TIME. UM, THE WAY THE, THE AIRPORT HAS BEEN DESIGNED, THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE USED FOR SEASONAL, UM, PONDING, UH, TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, EXCESSIVE FLOW FROM, FROM, UH, OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT WATER THAT COMES OFF THE HILLS, UH, TO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR NORTHEAST. UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT WATER TO STAY THERE, SO WE'RE FINDING WAYS TO, TO GET, GET IT BACK INTO THE DRAIN ONCE THE RAINSTORM IS, IS MOVED ON TEX ALPHA, UH, WE DID GET THE STATE FUNDING, UM, AND WE'VE GIVEN, UM, NO TO PROCEED, UH, FOR THE FIRST STAGE OF THAT PROJECT WITH THE CONTRACTOR. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST, IT'S IN THE PERMITS AND DOCUMENTS PHASE. WE'RE NOT BREAKING GROUND, UM, MOST [01:15:01] LIKELY UNTIL, UH, VERY, VERY LATE SPRING SUMMER DATE, DATE TO BE DETERMINED. BUT, UM, BOTH TAXIWAY ALPHA AND TAXIWAY BRAVO CONTRACTORS ARE IN CON ARE IN CONTRACT, AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE SEED TO START ALL THAT, UM, PRELIM WORK, UM, TO GET READY FOR FINAL, UM, UH, MOBILIZATION DEPLOYMENT, UH, LATER ON THIS YEAR. UH, FUEL FARM REHABILITATION, THAT ONE IS, HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR A LONG TIME. WE'VE NOW PULLED THAT OUT OF THE CIP BUDGET AND, UM, THE, UM, THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THE CITY, AND WE'VE NOW ASSIGNED THAT TO A PROJECT MANAGER. UM, AND, UH, SO WE ARE FUNDING IT FOR A FISCAL YEAR OF 27 THIS UPCOMING, UM, JULY 1ST, PUTTING MONEY IN FOR THE SCOPING DESIGN, UH, ULTIMATELY THE BID AND THEN CONSTRUCTION TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES INCLUDING THE, THE, THE 2027, UM, DEADLINE FOR OUR, UM, TANK, UH, INSPECTION. UM, THAT IS DUE THE 20 YEAR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GLAD THAT THAT'S MOVING ALONG. AND, UM, UH, AND JUST TO MENTION, WE, WE MENTIONED PRI PREVIOUSLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF, WE ARE SHIFTING, UM, A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WOULD NORMALLY FALL ONTO THE DIVISION, THE AIRPORT DIVISION. UM, WE ARE NOW STARTING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ONTO FACILITIES. SO FACILITIES IS, IS BEGINNING TO TAKE A LARGER ROLE. AND SOME OF THESE, UH, ITEMS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLE WITH, BECAUSE THEY'RE TIME CONSUMING, THEY REQUIRE SOMETIMES A HIGHER LEVEL, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF, UH, PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND, UM, AND PROCESS. SO THAT'S A REAL, UH, WIN FOR THE, FOR THE AIRPORT. AND, UM, YEAH, WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS GOING. UH, POWER BACKUPS BEEN PUSHED A BIT. UM, IT, IT ISN'T AN IMMEDIATE NEED. WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, SOME, SOME TEMPORARY, UM, BACKUP PROCEDURES. WE DO HAVE THE, THE, THE GIANT BATTERY THAT, THAT CAN RUN AIRFIELD, ELECTRICAL, EVEN SOME OF THE TERMINAL SYSTEMS, UM, FOR A SHORT PERIOD UNTIL IT'S RELIEVED BY A LARGER, UM, POWER SOURCE. SO FOR TEMPORARY, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS, BUT AS A PERMANENT, UM, PROJECT, WE DO WANNA GET THIS DONE. WE HAVE PUSHED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS. ONE'S RESOURCES TO, TO WORK ON THIS, BUT ALSO TO, TO FREE UP THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. UM, THIS IS, HAS GROWN A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE, THE, THE SCOPE HAS NOT COMPLETELY BEEN, UM, DECIDED ON IT COULD, THIS COULD BE A, THIS COULD STILL BE SOME SORT OF RESILIENCY SOLAR PROJECT, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WANNA PUSH IT OUT SO WE PROVIDE PLENTY OF MONEY AND TIME AND FOCUS ON IT TO GET IT DONE RIGHT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO HAVE THE, THE TEMPORARY OPTIONS THAT ARE, UH, CAPABLE OF, OF BACKING UP THE AIRPORT TO OUR CURRENT NEEDS. UM, THERE'S, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, NON CIP, WE'VE KNOCKED A LOT OF THESE OUT. WE HAPPY TO SUPPORT, UH, TO, TO, TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE A PMS, THE, UM, AIRPORT PAYMENT MANAGEMENT, UH, STUDY IS COMPLETE. UM, IT WAS, IT WAS PAID FOR MOSTLY BY, UM, THE FAA THROUGH, UM, THE A A PE PROGRAM, UH, THAT PROVIDES, UH, MOST, UH, OR UP UPTODATE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS FOR THE ENTIRE AIRPORT, INCLUDING THE ROAD IN, UH, SKY RANCH DRIVE INCLUDES EVERYTHING. UM, IT, IT, IT GIVES THE FAAA, UM, ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT THE AIRPORT LOOKS LIKE AND THE CONDITIONS SO THEY CAN, UM, FOCUS FUNDS ON THE AREAS THAT NEED THE MOST. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THEY, THEY REQUEST EVERY FIVE YEARS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WILLING TO FUND IT. SO, UH, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR NOW. UH, ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS EITHER CIP OR NON CIP THAT I DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT? UH, JUST, JUST ONE COMMENT. I THINK, UH, DAN, UM, AND FOR GINA ALSO WAS, YOU'RE SOON TO MOVE ON TO, UM, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES. UM, I THINK GIVEN ALL THAT WE HAVE GOING, NOT JUST CURRENTLY, BUT THE HISTORY AND THEN GOING UNDER THE FUTURE AS YOU'VE OUTLINED HERE IN MANY WAYS, UM, VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE CLEAR TURNOVER SO THAT WHOEVER FOLLOWS YOU IS ABLE TO PICK UP AND MOVE ON WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TRIPPING OVER THEIR SHOE LACES, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THIS JOB ABOUT, UH, THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. SO WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. YEAH. SO I THINK IF, IF YOU AND YOUR TEAM, UH, CAN LOOK AT THAT, AND I, YOUR DOCUMENTATION'S AWESOME HERE, BUT, UH, ENSURE THAT THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT PERSON TO GET UP TO SPEED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SURE. UH, THAT'D BE, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, AND DOCUMENTATION OUTSIDE, UH, OF THIS, UM, TRYING TO PROVIDE THE, UH, SYSTEM RESOURCES, CONTACTS, UM, [01:20:02] UH, KIND OF A MOU STYLE, UM, INFORMATION, UH, FOR, FOR ANYONE TO COME ALONG AND, AND, AND HAVE THAT ALONG WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE, THERE, THERE WILL STILL BE COMMUNICATION, UM, OPTIONS TO, TO CONTACT ME IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UM, JUST AS WE DID WITH BOB, UM, WHEN I TOOK OVER. UM, SO THERE, THERE WILL BE NOT, NOT A, UM, UH, HEAVIER ONGOING SUPPORT FROM ME. I WANNA MOVE ON, BUT THERE, THERE IS AN OPTION TO, TO CONTACT, ESPECIALLY FOR IMPORTANT LEGACY INFORMATION THAT MAY NOT BE READILY AVAILABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT DO GET LOST, UM, RIGHT. AND, AND SO, UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO, IN, IN THE CASE OF A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. OKAY. WE DO HAVE THAT SET UP. I FIGURED YOU WOULD. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. YEAH. AND THEN, UH, THE NEW, WHOEVER THE NEW MANAGER WOULD BE WOULD, UM, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PASS DOWN WHATEVER WE CAN. ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY, THEY COME IN AND, OKAY. TAKE OVER. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY SAVED ROUNDS, WE'LL ADJOURN AT SEVEN 20. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.