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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026. 
          WILL THE CLERK TAKE ROLE, PLEASE? ABRAMS HERE, ALDEN? HERE. 
          KOHL ROSS. 
          HERE. 
          CHE. 
          HERE. 
          TAR VA VASQUEZ. 
          IZ AGUIRE. 
          HERE. 
          QUINT HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
NOW WE ARE IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. 
          TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. 
          SO I'M OPENING PUBLIC COMMENT AND UH, IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS, PLEASE BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY. 
          AND, AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY, UM, COMMENTS ONLINE BEFORE THE MEETING? NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT THEN. 
          HI Y'ALL. 
          I'M DEB FOX. 
          I'M YOUR CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER, AND I JUST WANTED TO COME TONIGHT AND, UH, INVITE YOU ALL TO OUR QUARTERLY ROUND TABLE FOR CLIMATE ACTION THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WEDNESDAY, UH, AT THE LIBRARY FROM NOON UNTIL TWO. 
          AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY WE, THIS IS WHERE WE IMPLEMENT THE CLIMATE, UH, THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION WITH THE GREATER COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT'S, YOUR TOPIC IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF THE BLUEPRINT, WHICH IS, UH, 67% OF OUR GREEN CAPS GAS EMISSIONS COME FROM HOW WE CHOOSE TO GET AROUND. 
          SO, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU ATTEND. 
          YOU DO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF BROWN ACT. 
          UM, YOU JUST CAN'T SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER IF THERE'S MORE, YOU KNOW, IF SO THAT YOU'RE NOT, UH, CREATING A QUORUM TYPE OF THING. 
          SO, UH, ANYWAYS, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU ATTEND AND, UM, I WILL LEAVE IT THERE AND I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO RSVP THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, I AM CLOSING. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE, UM, COMMITTEES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TODAY, 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
BUT, UH, IT'S TIME FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR DECEMBER OF, UH, 16TH. 
          UH, WERE THERE ANY, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENTS OR CHANGES THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES? OKAY. 
          NONE. 
          SO THEN, UM, I THINK WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITHOUT CHANGES. 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
WE ARE MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THE FIRST ITEM ON THE LIST IS THE 2026 PETALUMA PARATRANSIT RIDER GUIDE UPDATE. 
          I BELIEVE ARACELLI WILL BE PRESENTING. 
          YES. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          UM, I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PARATRANSIT RIDER GUIDE. 
          UM, AS YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, ACCORDING TO THE A DA, UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, UM, COMPLIMENTARY PARENT TRANSIT SERVICES, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          AND AS SUCH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO, UM, ENSURE EQUAL ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT COM, UH, COMMUNICATES THE ELIGIBILITY, UH, PASSENGER RESPONSIBILITIES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION GUIDELINES. 
          UM, THE LAST TIME OUR PARATRANSIT GUIDE WAS, OR RIDER GUIDE WAS UPDATED WAS IN MARCH OF 2021. 
          AND SINCE THAT TIME, THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL CHANGES, UM, TO, UM, POLICIES, FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND OTHER SIMILAR CHANGES THAT HAVE RE RESULTED IN THE NEED OF THE UPDATE FOR OUR 
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WRITER GUIDE. 
          AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, OUR STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON CREATING AN UPDATED VERSION, UM, FOR THE WRITER GUIDE FOR THE YEAR 2026. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE NEW VERSION ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, LIKE THE FACELIFT OF IT, THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION OF IT. 
          UH, THE AGENCY HAS RECENTLY GONE THROUGH A NEW LOGO. 
          SO THE GUIDED ITSELF HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REPRESENT THAT UPDATED LOGO. 
          SO THERE, THE COLOR SCHEME HAS BEEN UPDATED, UM, IN ADDITION TO IMAGERY THAT HAS BEEN ADDED THROUGHOUT THE GUIDE TO MAKE THINGS FLOW A LITTLE BIT BETTER, MAKE IT EASIER ON THE, ON THE READER, UM, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          LET'S SEE HERE. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT MY NOTES. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN FURTHER, UH, CLARIFICATION OR SPECIFICATION ON SEVERAL THINGS, INCLUDING OUR ON TIME WINDOW. 
          RATHER THAN SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC PICKUP TIME, UH, OR DROP OF TIME, WE MADE IT A POINT TO BE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT THAT PICKUP WINDOW IS FOR BOTH PICKUPS AND DROP OFFS, UM, SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. 
          OR SOMETIMES OUR RIDER EXPECT TO BE PICKED UP AT 10 BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE TO THEIR APPOINTMENT AT SAY, 11 IN THE MORNING. 
          BUT, UM, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN BE THERE EXACTLY AT 10:00 AM WHEN THEY'VE REQUESTED IT, RATHER THERE'S A WINDOW OF TIME, AND THAT COULD BE 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO 15 MINUTES LATER. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT A 30 MINUTE WINDOW THERE. 
          UM, SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WERE, UM, MORE CLEARLY STATED IN THE GUIDE ITSELF. 
          WE ALSO MADE IT A POINT TO CLARIFY, UH, SECTIONS OF OUR SAFETY AND MOBILITY, UM, REGARDING SAFETY AND MOBILITY, UM, THAT THIS INCLUDES WALKERS, COLLAPSIBLE WHEELCHAIRS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO THINGS LIKE THEY NEED TO BE SECURE, UH, DURING THE TRANSPORT, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST FLYING AROUND IN THE BUS. 
          UM, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, WE ALSO ADDED MORE CLARIFICATION FOR THE NO-SHOW POLICY. 
          UM, THIS INCLUDES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, A IF A RIDER HAS, UM, A NEED FOR A PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT TO MAKE THE TRANSPORTATION THEREFORE EASIER, UM, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ONE THAT COUNTS AS A NO SHOW. 
          UM, SO JUST MAKING THAT MORE CLEAR FOR OUR RIDER. 
          UM, AND THIS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE NEXT POINT IN THAT OUR DRIVERS CANNOT BE ACTING AS THOSE, UH, MEDICAL, YOU KNOW, CAREGIVERS OR MEDICAL, UH, ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THERE'S LIABILITY ISSUES, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED THERE TO BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN ASSIST THE RIDER IF THEY ACTUALLY NEED IT. 
          UM, SO AS THOSE THINGS HAVE COME UP, WE HAVE DEALT WITH THOSE SITUATIONS AND WE FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE WRITER GUIDE. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, WE ALSO ADDED MORE LANGUAGE REGARDING STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS. 
          SO THAT IS ALSO CLEAR FOR OUR WRITERS. 
          UM, SO THE LANGUAGE HERE WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE PETALUMA TRANSIT POLICY ON STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2025. 
          UM, SO JUST SPECIFYING THE CONTENTS OF THE UNIT NO LONGER NEED TO BE EMPTIED OR THAT THE UNIT, UM, COLLAB AND THE UNIT COLLAPSED IN ORDER TO RIDE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, LASTLY I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT, HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE WAS A QUICK ONE PAGE, UM, WRITER GUIDE CREATED TO HIGHLIGHT THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE WRITER GUIDE FOR, UH, THE WRITER ITSELF. 
          UH, RATHER THAN HAVE TO FLIP THROUGH THE ENTIRE GUIDE, WE HIGHLIGHTED THINGS LIKE AT A GLANCE SERVICE HOURS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE, AGAIN, THE PICKUP WINDOW CONTACT INFORMATION, STEPS ON HOW TO BOOK, UH, A RIDE THROUGH OUR DISPATCHERS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND BOTH THE WRITER, THE FULL WRITER GUIDE ALONG WITH THE ONE PAGER ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPROVAL LETTERS THAT ARE SENT TO ALL OF OUR CLIENTS OR ALL OF OUR WRITERS. 
          SO SINCE THESE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN CREATED, WE'RE MAKING IT A POINT TO INCLUDE THOSE WHEN THEY'RE, WE MAIL OUT THOSE LETTERS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY UPDATES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ARACELLI? YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          ARE THESE GUIDES, I THINK IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE IN THE PAST, BUT THESE GUIDES WILL BE PRINTED AND DISTRIBUTED 
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ON THE BUS LINES, OR IS IT JUST ONLINE ACCESS ONLY? THEY'RE BOTH PHYSICALLY PRINTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO EVERY TIME I PROCESS A PARATRANSIT APPLICATION AND I'M SENDING OUT THE APPROVAL LETTER TO THE CLIENT, I'M INCLUDING THE FULL WRITER GUIDE. 
          SO THE BOOKLET ALONG WITH THE ONE PAGE. 
          OH, GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU HAVE THE PDFS INCLUDED OF THIS, BUT THE ONE PAGE LOOKS LIKE THIS, SO I CAN JUST FOLD IT AND EASILY INCLUDE IT FOR THEM. 
          AND THIS IS MEANT TO BE PUT ON THE REFRIGERATOR. 
          THEY CAN HAND IT OUT TO THEIR PCA, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT AGAIN, IT'S QUICK AT A GLANCE INFORMATION RATHER THAN HAVING TO FLIP THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY, UM, VIA OUR WEBSITE. 
          AND I CAN ALSO EMAIL THESE AS PDFS TO OUR CLIENT OR, UH, PARTNER. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, SOCIAL WORKERS THAT WILL OFTEN EMAIL ME APPLICATIONS. 
          SO THESE ARE MATERIALS THAT I CAN ALSO SHARE DIGITALLY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION MIGHT BE A TYPO IN THE, UM, MEMO, IT SAYS, IT IS REQUESTED THAT TAC RECOMMEND RECEIVE AND UPDATE AND I HAVE TO ASK FOR VOTE IF WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING. 
          BUT I THINK THAT YOU MAY RECEIVE MUST HAVE BEEN A TYPE, I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THOUGHT YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM TWO, IS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION WITH METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION FOR ALLOCATION OF TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT SLASH STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE FUNDS FOR CITY OF PETALUMA TRANSIT SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 26. 
          I BELIEVE KAMI IS, UH, PRESENTING THIS. 
          YES, I KNOW THAT'S A MOUTHFUL TO  SAY ALL OF THOSE FUN ACRONYMS. UM, SO I AM GOING TO BRIEFLY GIVE A BACKGROUND, UM, AS A REFRESHER, THIS IS AN ANNUAL REQUEST THAT WE DO, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT IT ANNUALLY. 
          UM, WE'RE SUBMITTING IT TO MTC, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A COORDINATED CLAIM. 
          SO THIS IS A COORDINATED PROCESS TO DO OUR ANNUAL CLAIM TOWARDS VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES SUCH AS TDA, WHICH IS THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT. 
          I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE HEARD TDA MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW MEETINGS. 
          UM, SINCE THAT IS OUR MAIN FUNDING SOURCE, UH, WE, UH, THIS CLAIM ALSO IS FOR THE STRAIGHT STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE, UM, FUND. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, IT IS PART OF OUR GO SONOMA FUND. 
          SO THESE ARE ANNUAL FUNDS THAT ARE APPORTIONED TO US, AND THEN WE THEREFORE COMPLETE THE REQUESTED PAPERWORK, UM, TO FILE THAT CLAIM. 
          UH, FOR STA AND GO SONOMA, WE HAVE TO REQUEST THE FULL AMOUNT ANNUALLY. 
          UM, IT'S A USE IT OR LOSE IT TYPE SITUATION. 
          UM, HOWEVER, TDA, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN A FEW MEETINGS, UM, IS OUR MOST FLEXIBLE SOURCE OF FUNDING. 
          IF WE HAVE RESERVES, WE CAN REQUEST MORE THAN OUR ANNUAL ALLOTMENT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE CAN USE IT TOWARDS OPERATING, WE CAN USE IT TOWARDS CAPITAL. 
          SO IT IS OUR MOST DIVERSIFIED, UM, FUNDING SOURCE. 
          UM, ALL GENERATED THROUGH EITHER SALES TAXES OR, UM, EITHER ON DIESEL OR FUEL OR STATEWIDE SALES TAXES. 
          UM, WHETHER AT THE STATE LEVEL OR THE LOCAL LEVEL SUCH AS GHOST SONOMAS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          UM, SOME CHANGES IS WE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE THROUGH DTDA AND STA, BUT AN INCREASE IN GO SONOMA. 
          THE REASON WHY THERE'S SUCH A LARGE PERCENT INCREASE IN GO SONOMA IS BECAUSE MEASURE M, WHICH WAS GHOST SONOMA'S PREDECESSOR, UM, SUNSET, AND THEN THEREFORE GO SONOMA TOOK EFFECT. 
          SO IT WAS A, HOLD ON, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR MY NOTES. 
          IT WAS A LARGE PERCENT INCREASE. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE IT, BUT IT'S A ONE-TIME INCREASE TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE TWO, UM, SALES TAXES, IT'S STILL A QUARTER PERCENT INCREASE, BUT IT'S, IT'S SHOWN AS A 1% INCREASE OF 733,000 UM, DOLLARS AVAILABLE THIS YEAR. 
          IT WON'T BE THAT SAME PERCENTAGE INCREASE EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT. 
          IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE REVENUE SOURCES. 
          SO WHILE IT'S A ONE PER TIME, LARGE PERCENT INCREASE, I WANNA LIKE PREFACE THAT, UM, THAT IT'S DUE TO THE SWITCHING BETWEEN MEASURE M TO GO SONOMA. 
          HOWEVER, STA HAS CONSISTENTLY SEEN DECREASING BECAUSE IT IS A FUEL RELATED SALES TAX, AND AS CALIFORNIA HAS SWITCHED TOWARDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THEY'RE SPENDING LESS ON FUEL. 
          THEREFORE THAT FUND IS A DWINDLING SOURCE. 
          AND THEN FTA HAS SEEN A DECREASE IN THE LAST NINE QUARTERS. 
          AND THIS 
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IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST QUARTER WHERE IT HAS PERFORMED HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS QUARTER. 
          BUT OVERALL TREND ANNUALLY HAS BEEN A, A DECREASE IN FUNDS. 
          SO FOR THIS YEAR'S, UM, COORDINATED CLAIM. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING ALL THE, UM, REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FOR, UM, RECEIVING OUR CLAIM. 
          UH, PETALUMA IS, WAS APPORTIONED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AND AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE INTER OPERATOR AGREEMENTS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL WHERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE APPORTIONMENT FROM MTC GETS ALLOCATED OUT TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT FOR THE ROUTES THEY OPERATE IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, AND SO AFTER ALL OF THAT, UM, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED 2.6 MILLION OR 2.7 MILLION ROUNDING, SORRY. 
          UM, AND PETALUMA IS GOING TO REQUEST AN ESTIMATED TOTAL OF 3 MILLION, UM, IN TDA, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN THE ACTUAL APPORTIONMENT. 
          PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPIRING CAPITAL FUNDS FROM TDA THAT ARE EXPIRING THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK. 
          SO THAT'S 600,000 AVAILABLE THAT'S GOING BACK INTO THE POT AND THAT WE REQUESTED TO GO BACK INTO THE BOT HER EARLIER THAN AUGUST. 
          SO THAT WAY IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR, UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO SPEND IT ON THE ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT SINCE THAT'S GRANT FUNDED. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR BUSES ARE MOSTLY GRANT FUNDED AS WELL, SO WE DIDN'T NEED TDA FOR THOSE. 
          WE'RE PUTTING THAT BACK IN THE POT TO HELP THE OPERATIONS SO THAT WAY WE DO HAVE, UM, AVAILABLE BALANCE FOR NEXT YEAR, ASIDE FROM THE ALLOTMENT THAT WILL COME THROUGH NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S BEEN SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. 
          UH, THAT'S ALSO INCLUDES THE STA, THAT 3 MILLION, EXCUSE ME, THAT 3 MILLION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SDA, THAT'S A SEPARATE PORTION. 
          UM, SO THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL FUNDING OF TDA IS 300 OR 3.3 MILLION AND, UH, SIX, SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY ONE K IN FSTA. 
          I'M SO SORRY, MY ACRONYMS ARE JUST MUSHING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, , BUT I WANNA SPECIFY THAT THIS COORDINATIVE CLAIM IS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, WE GENERALLY DO IT IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH TO SEE HOW THE YEAR IS GOING. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT TOO SOON AND HAVE OUR BUDGET BE MUCH HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED WITH EXPENSES, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE BLOW AN ENGINE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LIKE PAY FOR THAT. 
          SO WE ALWAYS TEND TO DO IT MID-YEAR TO BE AS CAUTIOUS AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL RESCISSIONS DUE TO CALCULATIONS ECONOMY. 
          SO WE ALWAYS DO IT AS A MID-YEAR. 
          SO THIS DOES NOT REFLECT ANY OF THE PLANNING THAT WE'RE DOING NEXT YEAR. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY IS REFLECTING THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, UM, ITEM. 
          SO I KNOW I KIND OF RUSHED THROUGH THAT TO ALLOW FOR TIME FOR THE PRESENTATION LATER, BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO TDA CLAIM AT QUESTION? YEAH, FRANK, SO HOW, HOW MUCH ARE WE, UH, SORRY, I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH IT, UM, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE, A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR ME TO FOLLOW. 
          SO HOW MUCH ARE WE REQUESTING FOR THIS YEAR? 3.3 IN, UM, MILLION IN TDA, UM, INCLUDING, AND THEN ASIDE THE TOTAL ALLOTMENT FOR SDA SINCE WE'RE REQUIRED TO, WHICH IS 600, UH, 691,000. 
          SO IT'S 3.3 PLUS IS 600 MM-HMM . 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ALL OF THAT IS FOR THE FISCAL 25 A YEAR, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND HOW MUCH WAS OUR ALLOTMENT? IT WAS AFTER THE INTER OPERATOR CLAIMS IT WAS 2.7 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUR ALLOTMENT WAS 2.7 MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE REQUESTING 3.3 PLUS SIX. 
          UM, THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT RISK DO WE HAVE THAT WE MAY NOT RECEIVE? THE, THE 3.3 PLUS SIX THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR? UH, SO WE HAVE THAT IN AVAILABLE RESERVES FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR CARRY OVER. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          SO THAT WAY I CAN CLARIFY. 
          SO THE, THE ALLOTMENT IS JUST FOR FY 26 PLUS ANY REMAINING, UM, PREVIOUS YEAR BALANCE. 
          SO WE DO HAVE REMAINING PREVIOUS YEAR BALANCE, WHICH IS HOW I, WE CAME TO THE 3.36. 
          WE'RE ALSO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 600 K TO THAT AVAILABLE BALANCE BY, UM, CLOSING OUT AN EXPIRING CAPITAL BALANCE EARLY. 
          UM, BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO WITH THE CAPITAL BALANCE IS WHEN WE REQUEST IT, THEY PUT IT ASIDE AND THEN WE INVOICE INDIVIDUALLY TO IT. 
          THEY DON'T JUST MAIL US A CHECK. 
          UM, AND SO THEY PUT IT ASIDE AND THEN AS WE INVOICE, YOU KNOW, THEY DEDUCT IT. 
          BUT IF WE DON'T USE THAT FULL ALLOTMENT, THEN IT GETS ROLLED OVER INTO THE OPERATING THING. 
          SO WE'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL AUGUST, WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND IT, LET'S MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND HAVE IT GO BACK INTO THE POD EARLY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, SO, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY, THERE'S NOT RISKS THAT WE WOULDN'T RECEIVE WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEREFORE THE NUMBERS THAT WE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE 
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RESERVES THAT ARE AT LEAST SHOWN ON THE REPORTS THAT WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR PUTS US AT WHAT, LIKE 300 SOMETHING THOUSAND? YEAH, IT WILL ACTUALLY, FROM THIS REQUEST, IT WILL PUT US AT 335,000. 
          YEP. 
          I HAVE US AT 3 33 ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S NOT, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S NO RISK THAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE NO. 
          DRAMATICALLY OR ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? MY QUESTIONS WERE SIMILAR MM-HMM . 
          BUT I HAVE TO WRAP MY OWN BRAIN AROUND IT. 
          THE FISCAL YEAR, THIS IS THE, WE ARE IN FISCAL YEAR 25, 25, 26. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHEN YOU JUST SAY, YEAH. 
          AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA SUBMITTED THE MOST RECENT APPLICATION IN MAY OF 2025. 
          WAS THAT FOR THIS YEAR? THAT WAS FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT WE WAIT TO SUBMIT SO THAT WE SORT OF KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO MTC FOR BOTH TDA AND STA? CORRECT. 
          AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          CAN WE SUBMIT AGAIN, IF LIKE, CAN WE SAY, WELL, YOU, WE'D LIKE TO RECONSIDER. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS OR IS IT A GOOD ONE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT SINCE STARTING HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW JARED, IF THAT'S BEEN YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
           YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DO IT. 
          IT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL. 
          UH, PART OF THE REASON WE'D LIKE TO DO IT A BIT LATER IS MAKE SURE WE DO IT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF DOING IT TWICE, BUT IN THEORY, YES, YOU CAN GO BACK AND DO IT A SECOND TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTUAL FORM. 
          LET ME PULL THAT UP HERE. 
          THE, UH, THE, WHERE I LIKE TO CALL IT THE WAREHOUSES MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE RESOLUTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THE, AT NO POINT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IN HERE. 
          IS THAT UNUSUAL? IT, IT JUST, WE GET DOWN TO, UM, ITEMS FIVE AND SIX UNDER THE NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. 
          AND IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE MEAT OF IT IS, THAT THE CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNEE IS AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE AND FILE THE APPROPRIATE TDAS STA APPLICATIONS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          UM, DOESN'T, AND THEN NUMBER SIX SAYS STAFF IS DIRECTED TO TRANSMIT A COPY OF THIS SIGNED RESOLUTION TO THE MTC, UH, AND THE MTC IS REQUESTED TO GRANT THE ALLOCATIONS OF FUNDS AS SPECIFIED IN THE CLAIM. 
          AND THIS IS A FIR SO WHERE'S THE CLAIM AND WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT SOME DI MEAN THAT WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE, WE SEE THE NUMBER IN YOUR MEMO TO US, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN THE RESOLUTION IS THAT YEAH, I KNOW A LOT OF THE TIMES THE THESE, UM, THINGS WILL GIVE US LIKE PRE-WRITTEN. 
          UM, AND SO IT WASN'T LIKE IN THE PRE-WRITTEN AMOUNT, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN ADD THAT FOR COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, THE CLAIM IS LIKE A COLLECTION OF THIRD YEAR OR SO EXCEL WORKSHEETS THAT WE ASSEMBLE AND THEN SUBMITS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A CHANGE WE COULD EASILY MAKE IS WHEN THIS RESOLUTION GOES TO COUNCIL, WE COULD EASILY ADD IN THE NUMBER OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE CLAIM THAT THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY. 
          SO THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE. 
          SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, AND IS THE BOARD'S COMMISSION REPORT, I MEAN ALL OF THESE MEMOS TO US GET THAT LITTLE TITLE, POUR BOARD'S COMMISSION REPORT. 
          IS THAT JUST INTERNAL TO US OR DOES THIS GO ON TO COUNCIL, WHAT YOU'VE JUST REPORTED ON THAT SAYS THIS REPORT GOES TO COUNCIL, IT'S FORMATTED LIKE A TINY BIT DIFFERENTLY IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL ADOPT LIKE JUST BRIEF MINOR LANGUAGE CHANGES. 
          BUT GENERALLY I TRY TO WRITE IT SO THAT WAY IT COULD GO TOWARDS EITHER I FOUND IT CONFUSING AND UM, SOMEWHERE IN THERE A VERY SIMPLIFIED, THIS IS OUR ALLOCATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS IS WHAT GOES TO SONOMA OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THIS IS THE ADDITION FROM STA AND THIS IS THE ADDITION FROM, OR WHATEVER TDA FOR OUR GRAND TOTAL AND THEN ANY EXPLANATIONS THAT YOU WANT. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS, I FOUND IT HARD WORK 
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TO WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          I CAN ADD A SUMMARY TABLE IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO LIKE VISUALIZE IT AND I WOULD PUT IT AT THE FRONT . 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE 'CAUSE YEAH, THE REST OF IT IS BACKGROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, WE DON'T IN A WAY EVEN NEED TO KNOW MM-HMM. 
          OTHER THAN TO INFORM US ON OUR RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM . 
          'CAUSE WE'RE VOTING ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS BURIED, UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I CAN DEFINITELY ADD THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU . 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING FUSSY. 
          OH, PLEASE DON'T. 
          NO, ANY FEEDBACK'S HELPFUL AND I APOLOGIZE FOR RUSHING THROUGH IT. 
          I WAS TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF TIME TONIGHT WITH OUR BIG PRESENTATION, OR NOT PRESENTATION, BUT DISCUSSION . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE, WE ASKED OUR QUESTIONS. 
          OOPS, I GOT TO COMMENT TOO SOON. 
          THAT WAS MY BAD. 
          SO THIS IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. 
          AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ONLINE ON THIS ITEM? NO. 
          ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE INTERESTED IN COMMENTING ON THIS ITEM? GOING, GOING? OKAY. 
          GONE. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          UM, I'M CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          I ALREADY MADE MY COMMENT IF, UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? YES, I AGREE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE TABLE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, WE'LL MAKE THAT ADDITION TO THE STAFF REPORT BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL. 
          MAKE IT EASIER TO READ. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          ERIC, WHEN IS THIS GETTING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL? MARCH 16TH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD I, ALL, ALL THE COMMENTS THEN, SINCE WE ARE ASKED TO RECOMMEND THIS, UH, WOULD SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE PASSED ON TO COUNSEL? SURE, DAVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ANYONE SECOND THIS? I'LL SECOND. 
          THANK YOU ERIC. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO I THINK WE ALREADY DISCUSSED, SO THE CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE, THE VOTE? ABRAM AYE. 
          ALDEN AYE. 
          KOHL ROSS? YES. 
          ? YES. 
          YES. 
          JUST CUT OUT QUINN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE. 
          THE SERVICE MODIFICATION REC RECOMMENDATION IS THE PRESENTER. 
          YOU JARED? YES, THAT IS ME. 
          ALRIGHT, PLEASE. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, JARED HALL TRANSIT MANAGER. 
          IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE, I'LL PULL UP OUR PRESENTATION HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A CONTINUANCE OF OUR PRIOR DISCUSSION THAT REALLY STARTED A FEW MONTHS BACK, BUT MOST NOTABLY OCCURRED LAST MONTH ON JANUARY 20TH WHEN WE HAD A WORKSHOP DISCUSSING TRANSIT SERVICE AND HOW THAT INTERPLAYS WITH FY 27 BUDGET. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE WATCHING THIS AT HOME. 
          IF THIS IS THEIR FIRST FORAY INTO THIS, THEY MAY WANT TO GO BACK AND WATCH THAT AND READ THOSE MATERIALS IF THEY WANT TO GET THE FULL PICTURE OF ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT BRINGS US HERE TONIGHT, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA DO A RECAP BRIEFLY OF OUR BUDGET AND THEN LOOK AT OUR TIMELINE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT MILESTONES WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO HAVE ALL THE PIECES LINED UP FOR ANY CHANGES MADE IN ADVANCE OF THE FY 27 BUDGET. 
          WE'RE GONNA RECAP THE FEEDBACK AND THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD FROM THE JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP. 
          WE'RE GONNA SUMMARIZE THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED IN ADVANCE AND DURING THAT MEETING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ACTIONS OR RECOMMENDED LISTS FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF A RECAP, I'LL HAND THIS BACK OVER TO KAMI FOR A QUICK BUDGET DISCUSSION. 
          UH, 
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PLAYING OFF OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD OF THE JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP. 
          YES. 
          SO I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE A FEW TIMES. 
          THE REVENUES REC, UM, REPRESENTS ALL FUNDING SOURCES, UM, THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING TDA. 
          USUALLY WE SPARSE THAT OUT. 
          UM, THE EXPENSES REPRESENTS EXPENSES ACROSS ALL MODES OF TRANSIT. 
          AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENTS IS EITHER ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY ENACTED OR PLAN TO ENACT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS, OR UM, MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY REDUCED IN OUR OPERATING COSTS. 
          SO THAT'S REPRESENTED IN THE ADJUSTMENTS LINE THE PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          SO PRIOR TO THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE ADJUSTMENTS MIGHT BE ITEMS SUCH AS RESCINDED, UM, TDA ALLOCATIONS, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, CAPITAL ALLOCATIONS THAT HAVE EXPIRED AND ROLLED OVER. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT ADJUSTMENT COME INTO PLAY IN PRIOR YEARS. 
          BUT THIS FISCAL YEAR ON, UM, IT IS REPRESENTED AS MODIFICATIONS, UM, THAT WE'VE ALREADY INTRODUCED. 
          UM, AND THEN THE O ANNUAL OPERATING, UM, SURPLUS VERSUS DEFICIT. 
          UM, THAT IS TECHNICALLY OUR TDA, UM, BECAUSE TRANSIT AT THE CITY LEVEL DOESN'T HAVE SURPLUS DEFICIT BECAUSE MOST OF OUR FUNDING COMES THROUGH TDA, THAT'S WHERE IT IS. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T GO INTO THE NEGATIVE FOR TDA, SO THAT RED NUMBER WOULD REPRESENT THE SHORTFALL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU KAMI. 
          SO AS A REMINDER OF THE TIMELINE, WE'RE NOW ON THE SECOND ITEM ON THIS LIST. 
          AGAIN, WE ADD OUR JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP WITH TAC. 
          THIS IS OUR SECOND MEETING WITH TAC AND WE DO HAVE A REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT TO BRING FORWARD A PACKAGE OF CHANGES TO COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THERE AS PART OF A WORKSHOP ON APRIL 6TH, ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD NOT BE A FORMAL ACTION REQUEST OF COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE RECOMMENDED PACKAGE OF CHANGES THAT COME OUT OF THE MEETING TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN ANYTHING DISCUSSED AT THAT COUNCIL MEETING AT THE WORKSHOP ON APRIL 6TH WILL BE FOLDED INTO THE OVERALL CITY BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED IN MARCH AROUND THAT TIME. 
          AND SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TIMELINE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE SEVERAL BALANCES HERE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND WHAT CHANGES WE WANNA MAKE GOING INTO FY 27. 
          WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO FOLLOW IN LINE WITH THE CITY BUDGET PROCESS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HOLDING UP THAT PROCESS AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH SERVICE WE'RE LOOKING AT PROVIDING AN FY 27 AND HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY AND THEN OF COURSE DO ANY SERVICE CHANGES. 
          SO WE CAN HIT THE JULY 5TH START DATE IN 2026 FOR ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA RECAP THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD ON JANUARY 20TH AND I'LL PASS IT AGAIN BACK AGAIN BRIEFLY TO KAMI. 
          YEAH, SO I BRIEFLY WANTED TO DISCUSS FUTURE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. 
          WE HAVE FUNDS AND GRANTS FUNDS OR ANNUAL APPORTIONMENTS. 
          WE HAVE TO DO AN APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT THEY ARE GENERALLY SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY TO PAD LUMA TRANSIT. 
          SO WE'LL BE SHIFTING LOW CARBON TRANSPORTATION, UM, OPERATOR OPERATING PROGRAM LCOP, UM, TOWARDS A FAIR FREE PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT IS AN ALLOWABLE, UM, PROJECT UNDER THE LC OP GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AND THAT APPLICATION WILL TAKE PLACE OVER THE SUMMER. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO BEGAN OUR ADVERTISING PROGRAM AND OUR VENDOR HAS STARTED IN EARLY FEBRUARY, SO WE SHOULD SEE SOME NEW ADVERTISING ON BUSES SOON AND REVENUE GENERATED FROM THAT. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE EITHER APPLIED FOR OR CURRENTLY IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR, UH, OPERATING SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO THIS IS NOT CAPITAL ITEMS, BUT SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE OPERATING BUDGET. 
          SO WE HAVE THE SAFE ACCESS FOR ALL, UM, GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN OFFICIALLY AWARDED. 
          IT'S 150 K UM, TOWARDS LUMA GO OPERATIONS. 
          UM, AND THAT 150 K WE CAN BEGIN DRAWING DOWN IN MARCH AFTER UM, A FUNDING AGREEMENT IS UM, SIGNED. 
          SO THE CITY HAS TO FORMALLY ACCEPT UH, THE GRANT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FUNDING AGREEMENT AND THEN WE CAN BEGIN DRAWING DOWN, UH, THAT GRANT. 
          ACTUALLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FULLY EXPEND THE 150 K IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF WE CHOOSE TO KEEP OR NOT KEEP LUMA GO, WE'RE NOT TIED TO THAT FOR THE GRANT. 
          WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE THE GRANT 90 DAYS NOTICE AND THEN, UM, THEY, THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY, THAT WE SEND QUARTERLY REPORTS TO THEM. 
          BUT IF WE EXPEND ALL OF THE 150 K THIS FISCAL YEAR, SO THROUGH JUNE, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN LUMA GO OPERATIONS. 
          UM, NOW WE COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE LUMA GO, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPEND ALL ONE 50 K THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          MOVING DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE IS TFCA TRANSPORTATION FUND FOR CLEAN AIR, THAT IS AN ENTIRELY COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS. 
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WE'RE WORKING ON SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION AND TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPETITIVE FOR UM, APPLICA OR FOR OPERATIONS. 
          SO SOME WOULD INCLUDE EITHER FIRST LAST MILE CONNECTIONS, NEW ROUTES THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF, IF WE REPURPOSE ROUTES, IF THAT MIGHT QUALIFY FOR OPERATIONS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO MAXIMIZE THIS GRANT IS AS IT RELATES TO UM, TRANSIT OPERATIONS. 
          IN THE PAST WE'VE USED IT FOR BUSES OR ELECTRIC BUS PURCHASES. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK ON AND MIGHT HEAR BACK OVER THE SUMMER AT SOME POINT IS THE S-C-T-C-A UH, CYCLE TWO FUNDING. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S VARIOUS PROGRAMS. ONE OF THAT IS TRANSIT OPERATIONS, UM, THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK ON AND IT, WELL, WE MIGHT REQUEST A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UH, BASED UPON WHAT GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE. 
          S-C-T-C-A WILL LIKE PLAY MATCHMAKER AND MATCH US TO THE BEST GRANT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT IT MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR HOW MUCH THAT MIGHT BE. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS FDA 53 10. 
          WE WERE TECHNICALLY NOT AWARDED THAT GRANT, BUT WE WERE PUT ON WHAT WE WOULD CALL LIKE AN ALTERNATE LIST. 
          SO IF MORE FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, THAT GRANT MAY POTENTIALLY FUND LUMA GO OPERATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME WE'RE ON THE ALTERNATE LIST FOR OUR REGION. 
          THANK YOU KAMI. 
          SO PEOPLE MAY RECOGNIZE THIS CHART AND THIS IS A SUMMARY AGAIN OF THE ACTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN TO DATE. 
          SO NONE OF THESE ARE NEW ITEMS AND THERE IS A VARIETY OF ONES ON THIS LIST. 
          THESE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, SO TO SPEAK, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO BRING IN MORE MONEY TO THE TRANSIT OPERATING SIDE WITHOUT HAVING ANY NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS UPON SERVICE LEVELS. 
          SO IT'S A LOT OF THE THINGS CAN BE TALKED ABOUT LIKE OUR TRANSIT ADVERTISING PROGRAM, WHICH IS NOW UNDERWAY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SHIFTED THOSE LC TOP GRANTS FROM CAPITAL TOWARDS OPERATING. 
          AND THEN HERE FOR T-F-C-A-H SHOWS 70 5K ROUGHLY PER YEAR. 
          THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT HAS CHANGED AND VACILLATED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          IT'S GONE FROM A ALLOCATED EARMARK TOWARDS TRANSIT TO A COMPETITIVE GRANT. 
          IT'S BACK TO A COMPETITIVE GRANT FOR THE CYCLE THAT'LL BE DUE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, GOOD AND BAD BECAUSE BEFORE WE ARE GUARANTEED ABOUT 75,000, BUT THAT WAS A CAP. 
          NOW WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED AN AMOUNT, BUT THE POT HAS GROWN AND WE CAN GO FOR MORE THAN 75,000. 
          AND WHAT'S FORTUNATE THIS YEAR IS THE OVERALL POT HAS GROWN FROM BEYOND 700,000 APPROXIMATELY. 
          UM, IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLED FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS FOR TRANSIT POTENTIALLY AND EVEN BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN GRANTS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY ENACTED THAT WILL SAVE US APPROXIMATELY 660,000 PER YEAR. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THOSE, THAT BRINGS US TO THE NEGATIVE NINE 15 DEFICIT NUMBER FOR FY 27 THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OVER THE PAST FEW MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO RECAP BRIEFLY THE PRIORITIES AND HOW WE'RE THINKING OF THE SERVICE CHANGES GOING TO FY 27. 
          WE ALWAYS WANNA PROVIDE THE BEST SYSTEM WE CAN IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE IT'S SAFE, IT'S RELIABLE FOR PEOPLE, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT TO GET TO DIFFERENT PARTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING A BALANCED BUDGET DEFINITELY FOR FY 27 AND OUTGOING YEARS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT THAT WE CAN. 
          ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE, WE WANNA MINIMIZE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE, WHETHER THAT'S BASED ON SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, RACIAL STATUS, ANY OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY CHANGES AREN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACTING ONE PART OF THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN OTHERS. 
          WE WANNA TRY TO, AS MUCH AS WE CAN FULFILL THE CITY GOALS SUCH AS BEING ZERO EMISSION WITH OUR TRANSIT FLEET BY 2030 AS PART OF THE PETALUMA BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION STILL CONTINUES. 
          CITY SUPPORT FOR RECENT CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL REGARDING TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THAT OF COURSE PUTS ENHANCED EMPHASIS ON HIGH TRANSIT CORRIDORS ROUTES RUNNING EVERY 15 MINUTES. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO A LARGER CONSIDERATION WORTH NOTING FOR THE CITY. 
          AS THE CITY WANTS TO DO MORE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS THAT SIDE, THE LAND USE SIDE GOES HAND IN HAND WITH TRANSIT. 
          SO THAT'LL BE A VERY VITAL CONSIDERATION GOING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AND THE FISCAL SITUATION IMPROVES, THE FIRST ORDER IS REALLY BUILDING UP THOSE FUNDING RESERVES AGAIN. 
          SO IN TERMS OF OTHER OPTIONS AND SOME OF THESE SLIDES WERE AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT A CONDENSED BIT HERE, WE'VE ALREADY ENACTED THESE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          SO OUR PG E ENERGY PLAN HAS ALREADY SWITCHED TO THE NEW VERSION, SAVING 10,000 PER YEAR. 
          WE'RE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF WORKING ON LCFS, LOW CARBON FUEL SAVINGS FOR OUR ELECTRIC BUSES. 
          WE THINK THAT'LL BRING IN 20,000 PER YEAR. 
          OUR TRANSIT ADVERTISING PROGRAM HAS BEEN RESTARTED AS OF THIS MONTH. 
          WE HAVE OUR NEW VENDOR ZENITH BILLBOARDS GOING AND WE THINK THAT'LL BRING IN 40 TO 80 K PER YEAR AND 
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PERHAPS MORE WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT IN A MOMENT. 
          AND THEN OUR OWES CONTRACTS, WE ARE HOPING THAT WE GET A GRANT FOR THAT. 
          ONE OF THE GRANTS THAT CAN BE MENTIONED, WHICH IS A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, WE HAVEN'T YET HEARD ON THAT GRANTS IT'S SUCCESSFUL THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO FUND THE PROGRAM FOR ANOTHER YEAR. 
          IF NOT, IT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING BE, UH, REDUCED, ELIMINATED. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE IT'S DAY-TO-DAY SAVINGS LIKE DEFERRED FLEET AND FACILITY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF BEYOND THE ITEMS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, SO TO SPEAK, WHEN YOU GET INTO TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW YOU MODIFY THE SERVICE. 
          AND I WON'T RUN THROUGH ALL OF THESE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING AGAIN, BUT IT'S LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE DO YOU START SERVICE LATER IN THE DAY, END IT EARLIER IN THE EVENING, DO YOU END SERVICE ON A CERTAIN DAY OR DAYS OF THE WEEK, LIKE WEEKENDS? ARE THERE EFFICIENCIES IF YOU ARE SAY REPLACING ONE SERVICE TYPE WITH ANOTHER, LIKE A FIXED ROUTE WITH A LUGO VEHICLE OR SERVICE OR THERE ARE HYBRID OPTIONS. 
          ANY CONSIDERATIONS OF SEVERAL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS? SO THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED BOTH BEFORE THE WORKSHOP AND DURING WE SUMMARIZE ON THIS SLIDE, THE FIRST ONE THAT I THINK WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT A BIT TONIGHT IS THE NUMBERS NEED TO MAKE SENSE. 
          THEY NEED TO ADD UP. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION IS WE MODIFIED HOW WE'RE PRESENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE NUMBERS A BIT. 
          SO WHEREAS BEFORE THE NUMBERS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION WERE PURELY THE SERVICE COSTS, HOW MANY SERVICE HOURS, TIMES THE RATE TO OPERATE IT, WE'VE NOW ADDED IN WHAT I CALL THE SOFT COSTS. 
          SO THAT'S THINGS LIKE MAKING SURE THE UH, FUEL'S INCLUDED PARTS. 
          NOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO DO THAT ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE BASIS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THAT FOR YOUR SYSTEM, YOU CAN KIND OF PARSE OUT BASED ON HOW MANY SERVICE HOURS ARE GOING TO EACH ROUTE, A REPRESENTATIVE PIECE. 
          AND SO FROM THAT, WE'VE ADDED THOSE NUMBERS INTO TONIGHT'S NUMBERS IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND SO THAT'S GOOD IN A COUPLE REASONS. 
          ONE, IT HELPS TO FURTHER ADDRESS THE DEFICIT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THEN TWO, IT HELPS IT SO THAT THE NUMBERS ADD UP MORE AND UH, ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO. 
          SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT MORE AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION HERE. 
          PEOPLE WANT US TO LOOK AT MODIFICATIONS WITH THE MV CONTRACTS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES THERE. 
          SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN A MOMENT. 
          WE WANNA DO ADDITIONAL OUTREACH WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, OF WHICH WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE SEVERAL GREAT PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY, SEVERAL OR DOZENS ACTUALLY. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING IN A COUPLE SLIDES ABOUT OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE PARTNERS. 
          PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT LUGO AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR IF THAT SERVICE CONTINUES, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE THERE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO HYBRID VERSIONS OF THAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE COST IF WE CONTINUE TO RUN THAT SERVICE IN FY 27? AND THEN ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS WE HAD BOTH LAST MEETING CONTINUING INTO TODAY'S MEETING IS WHAT IS THE NUMBER WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR? IS IT REALLY A ONE YEAR SOLUTION WITH THE BUDGET FOR FY 27? IS IT A THREE YEAR SOLUTION? AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WE HAD FROM THE LAST MEETING WAS LOOK AT THE THREE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW, NOT JUST A ONE YEAR WINDOW. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA PRESENT ALTERNATIVES TONIGHT WITH BOTH SCENARIOS AND PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND THEN FROM THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE WEREN'T ANY PARTICULAR ONES THAT WE WERE REQUESTED TO REMOVE OR ADD TO THAT LIST. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE CITY MV CONTRACT OR PSA PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. 
          AND SO AS PEOPLE MAY RECALL, THIS WAS PRESENTED AT TAC HERE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, BUT AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A EIGHT YEAR CONTRACT. 
          SO THE FIRST PART IS A FIVE YEAR BASE CONTRACT FROM FY 26 TO 30 WITH ONE THREE YEAR OPTION PERIOD. 
          IT INCLUDES A VARIETY OF FIXED FEES EVERY MONTH, SUCH AS SALARIES, INSURANCE COSTS, AND THEN VARIABLE COSTS BASED ON HOW MANY SERVICE HOURS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          PART OF THIS IS THE LABOR AGREEMENTS OF WHICH THE CITY ISN'T A DIRECT PARTY TO, BUT THERE'S A COLLECTIVE BARGAIN AGREEMENT BETWEEN MV AND THE MAJORITY OF STAFF, WHICH IS UNIONIZED THROUGH THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION OR A TU. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT'S MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE CONTRACT AND PART OF THE PROPOSAL FROM MB. 
          BUT IT'S NOT A DIRECT PIECE OF WHICH THE CITY IS A NEGOTIATING PARTY. 
          AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED WITH FEDERAL CONTRACTS LANGUAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE NOTED HERE, UH, SECTION 13 OF ONE OF THE FTA CIRCULARS TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE LIMITED ABILITY TO IMPACT THOSE TYPE OF BARGAINED AGREEMENTS. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY MOST IMPORTANTLY WE'RE ENGAGING WITH MV. 
          WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM OF OVER 20 YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER TO WORK WITH. 
          AND SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS TO DATE WITH MB AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO, AND FORTUNATELY WE FOUND THEM TO BE A WILLING, ENGAGING PARTNER WITH US. 
          THEY'RE 
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HELPING TO FIND EFFICIENCIES WITH THINGS LIKE LOOKING AT OUR SCHEDULES, CAN WE RUN THE SERVICE WE HAVE NOW MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH SAVINGS IF WE'RE DOING ANY TYPES OF SHIFTS TO OUR SERVICE, ANY REDUCTIONS, WHICH ONES MAKE THE MOST SENSE? SO THEY'VE BEEN WILLING TO ENGAGE WITH US THUS FAR AND WE THINK WE'LL HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT PAUSING, UH, DRIVER HIRING. 
          THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS GET INTO A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE HIRING STAFF AND THEN TURNING AROUND SEVERAL MONTHS LATER AND POTENTIALLY LAYING THEM OFF. 
          SO WE'RE CURRENTLY PAUSING OUR DRIVER HIRING UNTIL WE HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT FY 27 LOOKS LIKE. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE LOOKED AT, SOME OF WHICH ARE VIABLE. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT NEXT SLIDE. 
          SOME OF WHICH WE WERE URGED TO LOOK AT BUT MAY NOT REALLY BE VIABLE. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS DONATIONS. 
          WE WERE ASKED COULD WE ACCEPT DONATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF HOW THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          ONE EXAMPLE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE FAIR FREE, MAYBE HAVE A DONATION BOX ON THE BUS. 
          PART OF THE PROBLEM WE WITH THAT IS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THERE'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH COLLECTING REVENUE. 
          WE ANTICIPATE THOSE WOULD BE ABOUT 40 TO 50,000 A YEAR WITH THINGS LIKE FARGO FEES, STAFF TIME TO COLLECT THEM, FAIRBOX ISSUES, WHATEVER THAT MECHANISM LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO REALISTICALLY WE FELT THE COST TO COLLECT THAT REVENUE WOULD PROBABLY EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF NEW REVENUE IT WOULD BRING IN. 
          SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS VIABLE. 
          WE WERE ASKED COULD YOU REPLACE FIXED ROUTES WITH LUMA GO SERVICE? AND WHILE YOU CAN POTENTIALLY, IT REALLY COMES BACK TO HOW MUCH SERVICE YOU'RE PUTTING OUT THERE TO COVER THAT. 
          IF IT'S A ONE FOR ONE CHANGE, THERE'S MINIMAL SAVINGS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A FIXED ROUTE THAT'S RUN WITH ONE FIXED ROUTE VEHICLE ALL DAY, BUT THAT'S REPLACED BY BEING OPERATED BY ONE LUGO VEHICLE, THERE'S MINIMAL COST SAVINGS BECAUSE THE DRIVER WAGES ARE THE SAME. 
          THERE'S MINIMAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY SAVINGS ON THE BUS. 
          BUT OVERALL, UNLESS YOU'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BUSES AND DRIVERS OUT THERE, THERE'S NOT SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS. 
          SO NO MAJOR SHIFTS THERE THAT WE FOUND. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF PARTNERS OF WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE IN JUST A MINUTE, PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS IS A BIG ONE. 
          AS WE DISCUSSED HERE, STARTING BACK IN 2008 DURING THE RECESSION, PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS TRUNCATED A LOT OF THEIR SERVICE. 
          THEY CUT SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          AND AT THAT TIME THE CITY OF PETALUMA STEPPED IN AND SAID, WE'RE GONNA HELP OUT BY RUNNING WHAT WE CALL THE SCHOOL TRIPPER SERVICE, WHICH IS TARGETED AT THE MAJOR HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT UH, THE CITY. 
          THAT SERVICE IS GREAT, IT'S OUR MOST PRODUCTIVE SERVICE. 
          IT HELPS TO BUILD LIFELONG RIDERS EARLY ON. 
          BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ENTIRELY FUNDED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA CONTINUES TO BE. 
          WE THINK IT'S A GOOD ONGOING LONG TERM DISCUSSION. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS, I'M SURE PEOPLE READ IN THE NEWS, THEIR BUDGET SITUATION, THEY'RE MAKING SEVERAL SHIFTS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL CUTS. 
          SO ALTHOUGH WE DON'T THINK FY 27, THERE'S LIKELY GAINS THERE. 
          IT'S KIND OF A MID TO LONG TERM DISCUSSION THAT WE INTEND TO CONTINUE WITH THE DISTRICT. 
          SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE DID THINK ARE WORTH PURSUING. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS ONE THAT CAMMI TOUCHED ON THE SFA GRANTS OR I THINK IT'S CALLED COMMUTE FOR ALL ACCESS FOR ALL ACCESS FOR ALL. 
          SO WE APPLIED FOR THAT GRANT AND AT THE JANUARY WORKSHOP WE HAD NOT YET HEARD, BUT WE NOW KNOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THIS GRANT. 
          AND SO IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER 150,000 AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE CAN START BILLING IN MARCH, BUT REALLY WITH EXPENSES GOING BACK TO JANUARY, 2026. 
          SO IF YOU FOR EXAMPLE, WERE NOT TO CONTINUE LUMMI GO SERVICE, THIS ITEM HELPS THE DEFICIT BY 150,000 EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR WITH THE THOUGHT OF MAYBE CONTINUING THE SERVICE IN 27, THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE THAT SERVICE DIDN'T CONTINUE, THAT'S ACTUALLY IMPROVING THE DEFICIT BY 150 OVERALL BECAUSE WE CAN BUILD OUT AGAINST THAT GRANT JUST FOR THE EXPENSES IN FY 26 AND UTILIZE THE ENTIRETY OF IT BY JUNE, 2026, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THERE'S A LONGSTANDING AGREEMENT WITH PETALUMA TRANSIT AND SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT DATING BACK OVER TWO DECADES WHERE A PORTION OF THE TBA FUNDS THAT ARE DIVIDED UP EACH YEAR AMONGST THE SONOMA COUNTY OPERATORS IS CONTRIBUTED AS AN OFF THE TOP FROM PETALUMA TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT. 
          THAT EQUALS ABOUT 320,000 TOWARDS SEVERAL THINGS, ONE OF WHICH IS A PARTIAL CONTRIBUTION OF ROUTES 44 AND 48 THAT THEY PROVIDE THROUGHOUT PETALUMA. 
          AND PART OF WHICH, UM, DUNNO PEOPLE KNOW, BUT THE COPELAND TRANSIT MALL IS ACTUALLY OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, NOT BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          INTERESTINGLY, THAT DATES BACK WELL OVER A DECADE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS MORE, ESPECIALLY AS THAT AREA STARTS TO DEVELOP AND GET MORE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON THAT MAINTENANCE. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ON THAT AGREEMENT AS WELL. 
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AND EVEN LOOKING AT WHERE SERVICES OVERLAP THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND MAXIMIZING TRANSIT DOLLARS AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST PETALUMA TRANSIT, BUT THEIR SERVICES AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICE TO PETALUMA RESIDENTS WITHOUT OVERLAP AND REDUNDANCIES WHERE IT CAN BE AVOIDED. 
          AND THEN OUR TRANSIT ADVERTISER, WHICH IS NOW ON BOARD ZENITH, WE'VE EVEN EXPANDED THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM BEFORE. 
          OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN DOING BUS SHELTER ADS AND BUS REAR ADS FOR A WHILE. 
          WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS WE COULD DO WITH TRANSIT ADVERTISING, INCLUDING DOING THINGS UP TO A FULL SIDE OF THE BUS WRAP. 
          AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY THINK THAT PETALUMA IS A GREAT MARKET THAT'S REALLY UNTAPPED. 
          SO THEY THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF SUCCESS AND WE'RE KIND OF RIPE FOR BUILDING OUT THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT WE THOUGHT MADE SENSE THAT WE ARE NOW PROCEEDING WITH PARTNER MEETINGS. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS, BUT THESE WERE SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE HEARD BACK THAT HEY, HAD YOU TALKED TO, SO ANDSO GROUP AGENCY TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY. 
          SO THE FIRST TWO ON THIS LIST, THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THEM, ONE OF WHICH IS HEALTHY PETALUMA, THE OTHER IS SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE, PETALUMA CAMPUS. 
          AND SO BOTH OF THESE GROUPS ARE VERY WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND HAVE DONE SO BEFORE AS PARTNERS. 
          THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER ON GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          THEY'RE WILLING TO APPLY FOR GRANTS AND HAVE US BE A PARTY TO THEM OR GIVE US LETTERS OF SUPPORTS. 
          IN THE CASE OF SRJC, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A STUDENT'S TRANSPORTATION FEE THAT'S COLLECTED ON A SEMESTER BASIS. 
          AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE HEARD THAT FROM SOME OF THE SRJC STAFF MEMBERS AT THE JANUARY WORKSHOP. 
          THERE IS AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF FUNDING THERE AND IT'S SPLIT AMONGST BOTH CAMPUSES, PETALUMA AND SANTA ROSA. 
          AND SO I ATTENDED THE FIRST GROUP OF THEIR TRANSIT ACCESS COMMITTEE ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THAT GROUP WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF WORKING WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGE BOTH OF OUR RESPECTIVE FUNDS. 
          AND SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A LIST AT THIS POINT OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING IS TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE, HAVE THEIR CONSENSUS LIST AND THAT BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO NO DEFINITE ITEMS FOR FY 27 THERE, BUT I THINK POTENTIAL THERE AND IN THE FUTURE WITH THE NEXT THREE, I WOULD SAY THESE THREE IN PARTICULAR HAVE LARGE COMMUNITY TIES AND CONSIDERATIONS AND THEY ACTUALLY GO BEYOND JUST PURELY THE TRANSIT SIDE. 
          TRANSIT OBVIOUSLY IS A MAJOR COMPONENTS, BUT THESE ARE ONES WHERE WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION INTERNALLY ABOUT STARTING THE CONVERSATION MORE WITH THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES OF WHICH TRANSIT WILL BE A MAJOR COMPONENT. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER TIE-INS AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S NOT YET BEEN A ONE-TO-ONE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY AND KAISER PETALUMA OUTLET MALL OR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THEN SMART. 
          BUT THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ANTICIPATE STARTING IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE FY 27 IMPLICATIONS. 
          THEY COULD UNDER THE BEST SCENARIO, BUT MAY BE MEDIUM TO LONG TERM DISCUSSIONS AND SOLUTIONS, BUT ONES ON WHICH THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THOSE AS IMPORTANT PARTNERS AND DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD. 
          SO IN TERMS OF OUR UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'LL PROBABLY RECOMMEND RECOGNIZE THE LAYOUT OF THESE SLIDES, ALTHOUGH IT'S UPDATED A BIT. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THE ROUTE NUMBER ON THE TOP LEFT, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION BELOW THAT, INCLUDING THE HOURS RIDERSHIP ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. 
          ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT YOU'LL SEE A DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF THE SERVICE. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT INSTEAD OF ONE PARTICULAR NUMBER FOR EACH. 
          IT IS NOW A RANGE THAT BOTH INCLUDES THE DIRECT SERVICE COSTS AND THOSE SOFT COSTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE THESE SLIDES NOW HAVE A RANGE ON THEM AND THEN THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THOSE AS WELL. 
          SO THE FIRST SEVERAL THERE AREN'T REALLY CHANGES TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED. 
          SO FOR ROUTE TWO, THE RECOMMENDATION SIMILAR FOR ALL SERVICE IS TO ELIMINATE SUNDAY SERVICE FOR ANY ROUTES RUNNING THEN AND THEN TO ELIMINATE EVENING SERVICE AFTER 7:00 PM. 
          WITH THIS GRANT IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GRANTS LINED UP, ONE OF WHICH IS THROUGH THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION CLIMATE AUTHORITY, THE MTIS GRANTS. 
          AND THAT HELPS TO FUND THE SERVICE PARTIALLY, UH, INTO THE FUTURE FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER GRANT WHICH IS RELATED TO THE MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT AND A HSC, UH, HEALTHY COMMUNITIES GRANT MORE OR LESS THAT WILL ALSO HELP TO FUND IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS WITH ROUTE 11. 
          IT'S SIMILAR IS THE ONLY RECOMMENDED CHANGES ARE ELIMINATION OF SUNDAY SERVICE AND THEN EVENING SERVICE THAT ALSO IS TIED IN WITH THE MTS GRANTS AND THEN THE A HSC GRANTS, WHICH WILL HELP TO FUND THOSE GOING FORWARD. 
          SO NO SPECIFIC ROUTE CHANGES ON THOSE ROUTE THREE, THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS 
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TO ELIMINATE THE EVENING SERVICE DURING WEEKDAYS. 
          ROUTE 33 IS SIMILAR, JUST ELIMINATING THE EVENING SERVICE AS WELL. 
          AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT DWELLING A LONG TIME ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES, BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE CAN SEE THESE IN THIS PRESENTATION ORDER IN THE JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP WHERE WE DO TAKE MORE TIME AND GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE ONE BY ONE IF THEY'RE SO INTERESTED. 
          ROUTE 10, NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT. 
          OF COURSE THAT'S A WEEKDAY ONLY ROUTE THAT DOESN'T RUN LATE INTO THE EVENING FOR OUR SCHOOL ROUTES. 
          THERE'S NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THESE, ASIDE FROM A MINOR MODIFICATION TO ROUTE FIVE L ONE THAT WOULD BETTER CONNECT THAT SERVICE. 
          AND WEST PETALUMA TO THE DOWNTOWN SMART STATION. 
          THIS PROJECT ALSO IS FUNDED THROUGH THAT MTIS GRANT THROUGH THE END OF, THROUGH APRIL, 2028. 
          SO GENERALLY WE HAVE FUNDING TO CONTINUE THIS, BUT THIS ITEM, UH, THE GRANT IS PROVIDING A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL TRIPS DAILY ON OUR SCHOOL TRIP OR ROUTES. 
          AND THESE AGAIN, ARE GREAT ROUTES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A HANDFUL OF TRIPS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THEY'RE BY FAR, BY FAR AND MOST PRODUCTIVE ROUTES WITH OVER 30 BOARDINGS PER HOUR. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT ARE MORE ROUTE SPECIFIC ARE ROUTE 24. 
          SO ROUTE 24 IS OUR ROUTE THAT RUNS ON BETWEEN DOWNTOWN LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY, KAISER HOSPITAL, AND THEN THE BUSINESS PARK OVER NEAR CYPRESS DRIVE. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THIS ROUTE GENERALLY RUNS 60 MINUTES ALL DAY, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF ADDITIONAL TRIPS DURING PEAK TIMES. 
          AND SO THOSE TRIPS WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR ELIMINATION THAT WOULD SAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 28 TO 62,000 PER YEAR WITH OUR LUGO MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE. 
          THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR ELIMINATION. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE LARGER RANGE OF WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE OF ENDING THAT SERVICE BELOW. 
          WITH LUGO, IT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE THAT THERE'S OTHER ADDED COSTS. 
          THERE'S PROGRAMMATIC COSTS SUCH AS THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PROGRAM THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE TO ITS, YOU CAN CHANGE THE SERVICE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY RUN IT ONLY ON WEEKDAYS, YOU COULD RUN IT LESS LATE INTO THE EVENINGS, ET CETERA. 
          BUT GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF HOW MUCH THE ROUTE IS COSTING RELATIVE TO OVERALL BUDGET SITUATION, THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR REMOVAL. 
          UH, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO RUN IT UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WHAT'S RECOMMENDED THROUGH THE END OF JUNE, 2026. 
          AND THAT WOULD, UH, BE FUNDED LARGELY BY THE, UH, GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED, $150,000 SUNDAY SERVICE. 
          WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING ELIMINATION OF THAT FOR ALL DIFFERENT SERVICES RUNNING THAT DAY. 
          SO FIXED ROUTE SERVICE, PARATRANSIT SERVICE, AND THE COURSE OF BOOMA GO SERVICE. 
          AND WITH THAT THERE'S THE INCREASED SAVINGS OF IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FIXED DROUGHT SERVICE, YOU'RE ALSO NOT OBLIGED TO RUN THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE THAT DAY. 
          SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD SAVE ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 63,000 TO 122,000 PER YEAR EVENING SERVICE. 
          WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ELIMINATE SERVICE IN THE EVENING, WHICH RUNS UNTIL ABOUT EIGHT 30 ON THREE OF THE DIFFERENT ROUTES. 
          BUT WE'RE ELIMINATE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT ALL THE ROUTES AND BY 7:00 PM AND SO YOU'D BE ELIMINATING A HANDFUL OF TRIPS THERE THAT WOULD SAVE ABOUT 57,000 TO 125,000 PER YEAR. 
          AND THIS IS AN UPDATED CHART OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF THIS. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS ONE FIRST. 
          AND THIS IS BY AND LARGE THE RECOMMENDATION LIST THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING WITH UPDATED NUMBERS. 
          AND AS PEOPLE CAN SEE, THIS SOLVES FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET SCENARIO, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A DEFICIT IN THE MORE OUTLYING YEAR OF FY 29. 
          SO IF YOU'RE DOING ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS, INCLUDING THE ONES AT THE TOP IN GREEN THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED, LIKE THE LCFS CREDITS, MODIFYING THE PG E PLAN, ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND PROGRAM, UH, MODIFICATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SUCH AS ELIMINATING THE ROUTE 24 PEAK SERVICE, ELIMINATING SUNDAY SERVICE, YOU'RE SAVING AN FY 27 ANYWHERE BETWEEN 736,000 AND THEN $1,071,000. 
          AND SO THE DEFICIT NUMBER WHERE WE STARTED OFF AS A NEGATIVE NINE 15, THAT WOULD BECOME A POSITIVE, UH, RANGE OF ANYWHERE FROM 332,000 TO 657,000 AND FY 20 EIGHTS. 
          THAT TAKES WHAT WAS A NEGATIVE $1.6 MILLION DEFICIT TO A RANGE OF ANYWHERE FROM 508,000 TO POSITIVE 169,000. 
          AND THEN YOU STILL WOULD BE IN THE RED, HOWEVER IN 
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FY 29. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THIS AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION PAIRED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OVER THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON SEVERAL OF THESE ALREADY. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE NEW. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH MV TRANSPORTATION. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS OVER THE UPCOMING WEEKS TO SEE AGAIN WHAT OTHER EFFICIENCIES WE CAN FIND IN THE SERVICE IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE OPERATING IT, OTHER PARTS OF THE CONTRACTS. 
          SO THERE MAY BE SOME SAVINGS THERE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE DOING ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM WITH OUR SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN UPDATE. 
          THAT'LL BE OCCURRING IN 2026, THAT WILL BE A FULL BORE PLANNING EFFORT. 
          WHEREAS THE EXERCISE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE PAST FEW MONTHS CAN'T FULLY LOOK AT THE OVERALL NATURE OF THE SYSTEM AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          THAT WILL BE A FULLY COMPLEX TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF TRANSIT THROUGHOUT PETALUMA. 
          AND LOOKING AT MORE OF THE 10 YEAR WINDOW OF OUR SERVICE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE FUNDING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT WERE LISTED A COUPLE OF SLIDES BACK, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO BEAR SOME ADDITIONAL FRUIT FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND MORE FUNDING COMING IN FROM THOSE PARTNERS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AT GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE'RE DOING MORE GRANTS, BOTH DOLLAR WISE, NUMBER OF GRANTS, BREADTH OF DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT WE'RE DOING THAN I'VE EVER SEEN DURING MY TIME WITH PETALUMA TRANSIT. 
          AND REALLY I THINK WE'VE EVER HAD, I THINK COMMITTEE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF FINDING THE GRANTS AND APPLYING FOR THE GRANTS, GETTING THEM. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH AT THIS TIME YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY BANK ON GRANTS THAT YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR OR HEARD BACK ON, I THINK EVEN LOOKING BACK A YEAR OR TWO, SEVERAL OF THE GRANTS WE'RE NOW RECEIVING WERE ONES WE HAD NEVER EVEN APPLIED FOR OR RECEIVED. 
          SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT A COMBINATION OF THE CHANGES FROM THIS PRIOR SLIDE THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE PAIRED WITH THE ITEMS ON THIS SLIDE FOR OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION FY 27 WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION GOING FORWARD. 
          HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT, AGAIN AT THE PRIOR WORKSHOP IN THE 20TH IS, WELL, WE SHOULD LOOK AT A THREE YEAR HORIZON AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR A THREE YEAR BUDGET SCENARIO. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OUTLINED ON THIS SLIDE. 
          AND SO THE ORANGE LINE AT THE TOP, BASICALLY IT'S ALL OF THE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 THAT YOU SEE FROM SLIDE TWO SLIDES BACK. 
          SO SLIDE 29 ALONG WITH THREE ADDITIONAL ITEMS ADDED IN. 
          AND THOSE ITEMS WOULD BE CANCELING ROUTE 10 ALTOGETHER. 
          OF COURSE, ROUTE 10 IS THE ROUTE THAT RUNS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH FROM DOWNTOWN TOWARDS THE OUTLETS. 
          IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT IS PETALUMA TRANSIT'S LOWEST PERFORMING ROUTE IN TERMS OF TOTAL RIDERS AND BOARDINGS PER HOUR. 
          BUT THAT ROUTE, WHICH CURRENTLY RUNS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WOULD BE CANCELED. 
          THAT SAVES ANYWHERE FROM 74 TO 164,000 PER YEAR. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ELIMINATING SUNDAY SERVICE, BUT YOU COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE SATURDAY SERVICE THAT WOULD SAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 89 AND 173,000 PER YEAR. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE FOR ALL SERVICE TYPES, FIXED DROUGHT, PARATRANSIT, AND LUGO POTENTIALLY. 
          AND THEN EVENING SERVICE WE WERE LOOKING AT PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ENDING SERVICE EARLIER IN THE EVENING, ENDING IT AT 7:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS, YOU COULD END IT EVEN EARLIER THAN THAT AT 6:00 PM AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT THAT THOSE ITEMS ADDED INTO THE THREE YEAR, UH, WINDOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERALLY WOULD PUT US IN THE BLACK FOR TWO AND POTENTIALLY THREE YEARS. 
          SO IF YOU DO THESE OPTIONS AS WELL FOR FY 27, WE ESTIMATE YOU WOULD HAVE A SURPLUS OF 598,000 TO 1.2 MILLION FOR FY 28, IT WOULD BE POSITIVE 47 TO 1.35 MILLION. 
          AND THEN FOR FY 29 IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM NEGATIVE 1.2 MILLION TO A POSITIVE 816,000. 
          OF COURSE A LOT OF THINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING PICTURE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          HOPEFULLY IT IMPROVES, BUT SEVERAL THINGS COULD CHANGE AS WELL. 
          SO WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THIS IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          WE WANTED TO HAVE WHAT WE LOOKED AT AT THE LAST MEETING WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE DID WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE ARE INTENDING TO CREATE A THREE YEAR SOLUTION AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ITEMS THAT WE WOULD BE LIKELY ADDING TO THAT LIST. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, UH, THAT COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY, I'LL GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME. 
          SO WE START WITH QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK, UH, FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO , DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? DAVE, YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT THE RANGE 
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OF VARIOUS CUTS WITH REGARD TO ROUTES. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE LOWER END OF THE RANGE IS STRICTLY THE DRIVER EXPENSE. 
          THE UPPER END OF THE RANGE IS THE DRIVER EXPENSE PLUS THE SHARE OF WEAR AND TEAR, ET CETERA. 
          BUT, BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT THE, THAT INCREMENT FOR WEAR AND TEAR IS ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE AND PRESUMABLY REPRESENTS YOUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT REAL COST IS. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T STRIKE ME REALLY AS A RANGE THAT THE MORE THING, MORE THE LARGER CUT NUMBER IS TRULY YOUR BEST GUESS. 
          SO I THINK, I MEAN THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A CLARIFICATION, BUT TO ME DESCRIBING THAT AS A RANGE IS NOT VERY HELPFUL AND, AND A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING. 
          AM I MISSING SOMETHING? YES, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          IF WE WERE TO SAY WHERE IT IS, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT CLOSE TO THE LOWER END. 
          I WOULD SAY IT'S CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE OR EVEN THE HIGH END OF THAT BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, IF YOU END A ROUTE TOMORROW, IT'S NOT PURELY JUST THE SAVINGS WITH A NUMBER OF HOURS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS FUEL ON THERE, LESS WEAR AND TEAR. 
          SO YES, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. 
          DEFINITELY NOT THE LOWEST NUMBER IN IT'S, WE CAN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY IT'S A HIGHER NUMBER IN THERE, BUT SOMEWHERE THAT RANGE LIKELY TOWARDS THE TOP HALF. 
          BUT, BUT WOULDN'T IT MAKE MOST SENSE TO PUT IN A WEAR AND TEAR ALLOWANCE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR BEST GUESS? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW PRESENTING THAT RANGE WITH A LOWER END THAT'S ALMOST CERTAINLY WRONG. 
          DOESN'T SEEM VERY HELPFUL. 
          I THINK WE COULD CAMIL WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT KIND OF THE RANGE AND HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT AND YEAH, SO THE RANGE WAS DETERMINED, UM, BY LOOKING AT WHAT OUR FIXED COSTS ARE VERSUS WHAT OUR VARIABLE COSTS ARE. 
          OUR FIXED COSTS ARE KIND OF SET ASIDE. 
          THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, WATER, UM, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, RIGHT? INSURANCE THINGS THAT ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE NO MATTER WHAT WE CUT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE VARIABLE COSTS WERE PUT INTO A TOTAL AND THEN DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF HOURS PER YEAR. 
          SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A, A GUESSTIMATE OF WHAT THAT SPECIFIC ROUTE WILL, UM, COST. 
          BUT IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS. 
          SOME ROUTES MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WEAR AND TEAR, SOME ROUTES MIGHT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A GENERAL PARTS RIGHT, AND SO WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE IT WILL FOR SURE SAVE US X, Y, Z, BUT IT'S DETERMINED BY THAT PERCENTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THIS ROUTE, UM, ACCOUNTS FOR 10% OF OUR TOTAL, UM, ROUTES, THEREFORE IT WILL ACCOUNT FOR 10% OF OUR VARIABLE SHARES. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT RANGE COMES FROM. 
          BUT LOOKING AT THE HISTORY, IT REALLY DOES KIND OF VARY. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON SUPPLIES COSTS, DEPENDING ON VEHICLE WEAR AND TEAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T NOTICE AS MUCH IN TIRES, WHEREAS PREVIOUS YEAR WE NOTICED A LOT IN TIRES. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I DON'T WANNA SAY FOR SURE IT'LL BE THIS MUCH BECAUSE SOMETIMES LIKE RIGHT, LIKE KINDA LIKE WITH OUR HOMES, KINDA LIKE WITH OUR CARS, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT WEAR AND TEAR LOOKS LIKE. 
          NOW LUCKILY WE DID GO THROUGH A LOT OF ENGINE REPLACEMENTS LAST YEAR. 
          UM, SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE A LESSER OF THE WEAR AND HAIR. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A FORMULA DERIVED FROM OUR PREVIOUS YEARS EXPENSES AVERAGES, UM, THAT'S WHY UM, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO PICK A NUMBER AND STICK TO THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE VARIATIONS THAT JUST NATURALLY HAPPEN. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND WITH THE CHAIR'S INDULGENCE, I WILL SLIP INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMENT HERE, BUT JUST TO CLOSE THIS SUBJECT OFF, YOU'VE LOST CONTROL ALREADY, RIGHT? ? , OKAY. 
          I DID. 
          WELL WHEN I LET STEER STILL HEARING IS A RANGE BETWEEN ASSUMING ZERO WEAR AND TEAR TO SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE A REALISTIC ESTIMATE, BUT WILL VARY A LITTLE BIT TO INCLUDE THE LOWER END OF THAT RANGE BEING ZERO WEAR AND TEAR IS JUST UNREALISTIC. 
          IF WE REALLY WANT TO USE A RANGE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE UP AROUND YOUR BEST ESTIMATE WITH A LITTLE PLUS AND MINUS THERE. 
          SO I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE UNDERSELLING THE SAVINGS BY NOT DOING THAT. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, . 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? PATTY? THANK YOU. 
          ROUTE 10. 
          WHY IS IT NOT A CURRENT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CANCEL ROUTE 10 AS OPPOSED TO POSSIBLE FUTURE RECOMMENDATION? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT ANYTIME YOU'RE ELIMINATING A ROUTE IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE PHILOSOPHICAL PIECES IS, IS IT BETTER TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE ROUTES WITH LESS FREQUENCY OR FEWER THAT HAVE HIGHER FREQUENCY AND ARE BETTER QUALITY SERVICE? WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA RIGHT OFF THE BAT RECOMMEND ELIMINATION OF AN ENTIRE ROUTE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE SERVICE ON IT MORE OR LESS. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY IF THERE WAS ONE FIXED ROUTE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR ELIMINATION, IT WOULD BE ROUTE 
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10. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS, IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON, BUT AS A CONSIDERATION AS WELL, MAYBE YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. 
          SO IF ROUTE 10 WAS ELIMINATED, AND I KNOW THIS IS A BIT HARD TO SEE, BUT BASICALLY THIS MAP IS THE OVERLAP OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT NETWORK ALONG WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT NETWORK. 
          ONE CONSIDERATION IS PETALUMA BOULEVARD IS SERVED BY SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT ROUTE 48. 
          NOW THAT DOESN'T RUN WITH A REGULAR FREQUENCY OF EVERY 30 60 MINUTES. 
          IT BELIEVE IT HAS UH, I BELIEVE 67 TRIPS ON IT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 
          SO IF PETALUMA TRANSIT DID ELIMINATE ROUTE 10, THERE STILL IS SERVICE ON THAT CORRIDOR SERVING ALL THE SAME AREAS THAT ROUTE 10 DOES. 
          SO THERE WOULD STILL BE SERVICE THERE. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE BASE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ELIMINATION, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          AND OF COURSE WE CAN MODIFY THIS A BIT SO PEOPLE WANNA SEE THINGS MOVE FROM ONE LIST TO ANOTHER ON AND OFF. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'RE OPEN TO, BUT THAT WAS THE GENERAL THINKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN I THINK, OH, OOPS, THERE'S A COMMENT. 
          UM, ,  I ONLY ASK BECAUSE JUST HAVE YOUR VOICE GO UP AT THE END,  IT SOUND LIKE A QUESTION. 
          MAKE IT SOUND, IF RECONSIDERING ROUTE 10 COULD UH, HAVE THOSE FUNDS THEN BE ALLOCATED TO ANOTHER ROUTE TO RECONSIDER MITIGATION OR YOU KNOW, LESSENING OF THE SERVICE OF, OF ANOTHER ROUTE. 
          IF WE COULD, WHAT'S A QUESTION SORT OF , IF WE COULD TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND APPLY IT TO ANOTHER ROUTE WITH A LARGER POPULATION, THEN MAYBE THAT IS ALSO A WAY TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CANCEL A ROUTE RIGHT OFF. 
          UM, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          I MEAN IT'S A QUESTION, IT'S A, THAT'S WHY I CAME UP WITH THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FAIR OPTION FOR LUGO? SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD ALSO DO. 
          RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ELIMINATE LUGO ALTOGETHER BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS ABOUT 420,000 A YEAR. 
          ALTHOUGH THE RANGE IS BIGGER THAN THATS, BUT YOU COULD KEEP THE FAIR AS WELL. 
          UM, KADE, DO YOU RECALL THE AMOUNTS OF THAT IF LUGO WAS RETAINED BUT IF WE WERE TO INSTITUTE FAIRES ON THAT SERVICE? YEAH, AT OUR PREVIOUS FAIR LEVEL IT WOULD'VE BEEN 40,000. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD ALSO THEN BE PAYING FOR FAIR COLLECTION SERVICES, WHICH TENDS TO BE AROUND 40,000. 
          SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THE FAIR WOULD BE IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT? UH, SO IF FOR THE 40,000, THE FAIR WOULD BE AT A DOLLAR 50. 
          UM, SO IF WE WANTED TO INCREASE IT TO $2 OR $3, UM, IT WOULD GO UP. 
          BUT RIDERSHIP WOULD POTENTIALLY GO DOWN. 
          BUT THE FAIR COLLECTION COST, WHICH WAS ON AVERAGE 40,000 OR MORE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, THE THE AMOUNT DIDN'T OFFSET IT. 
          IF NOT, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CHARGING LIKE 20 BUCKS A RIDE OR 30 BUCKS A RIDE TO LIKE COMPLETELY PAY FOR LUMA GO, WHICH WOULD THEN, YEAH,  IS 20 OR 30 BUCKS THE ACTUAL NUMBER? NO, IT, WHEN I STARTED I STOPPED CALCULATING AT FIVE. 
          UM, BECAUSE LIKE I JUST KEPT BEING LIKE THAT STILL DOESN'T PAY FOR IT, THAT STILL DOESN'T LIKE, SO THAT AFTER THAT, LIKE THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT UM, OTHER OPTIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE CHARGING MORE THAN $5 A RIDE TO COMPLETELY PAY FOR THE SERVICE. 
          YEAH, SO LIKE KAMIS POINT, IT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO IS REINSTITUTE FAIRS ON THERE THERE, WHETHER THAT'S THE ONLY ROUTE YOU'RE CHARGING FAIRS FOR YOUR FIRST 40 TO 50,000 KIND OF EROS BECAUSE THAT'S THE COST TO COLLECT THAT MONEY. 
          SO IT'S ONLY REALLY SAVINGS BEYOND THERE AND THEN IT'S KIND OF OFFSETTING THAT VERSUS DOES THE SERVICE STAY AROUND OVERALL. 
          AND IF IT DOES FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S MORE MONEY YOU HAVE TO FIND IN THE BUDGET EVEN IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE SERVICE BY CHARGING FARES ON IT. 
          BUT ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION JARED. 
          I APPRECIATED IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? I DO. 
          OH, ERIC, OH, GO AHEAD ERIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO REALLY TO ADD TO PATTY'S POINTS, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE I FEEL AND TO WITH UH, A ROUTE 10 FULL ELIMINATION JUST YET, BUT I'M OPEN 
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TO IT. 
          BUT MY BIGGEST QUESTION WAS, WHICH IS THE AUDIENCE THAT IS RIDING THIS, BECAUSE IF IT'S ALREADY PRETTY LOW, I GET TWO QUESTIONS THAT COME INTO MY MIND. 
          ONE WHO IS THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS ROUTE, BUT ALSO DO WE HAVE ANY DATA FROM SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT THAT SHOWS WHAT THEIR FREQUENCY OF RIDERSHIP LOOKS LIKE OR THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT ARE USING IT INSTEAD OF ROUTE 10? TO ANSWER THE LATTER PART, NO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA, BUT WE COULD WORK WITH 'EM TO SEE WHERE THERE'S OVERLAP. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S EVER BEEN A SURVEY DONE THAT DETERMINES IF YOU WEREN'T RIDING THIS ROUTE, WOULD YOU BE RIDING THAT ROUTE. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AS A RECOMMENDATION IS ELIMINATING ROUTE 10. 
          UM, I DON'T, CARLY DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR THE RIDERSHIP OR THE TRENDS? UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, DO YOU MEAN LIKE THE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR ROUTE 10? YEAH, YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT GIMME A FEW MINUTES. 
          LET ME DIG FOR A SECOND AND I CAN LET YOU KNOW. 
          WELL IT JUST SEEMS SO CARLY CAN WORK HER MAGIC ON THE COMPUTER ALONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT JUST SEEMS SO LOW. 
          I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CURIOSITY REALLY. 
          IS IT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THE OUTLETS OR YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE INTENDED USE? UM, THE BIGGEST DESTINATIONS RIDERSHIP ON THERE I WOULD SAY IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ST. 
          VINCENT HIGH SCHOOL HAS USUALLY BEEN ONE OF THE HIGHEST RIDER SHIPS. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE SPUR ON ROUTE 10 THAT'S SERVED A COUPLE TIMES A DAY BY THAT. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THEM. 
          THE ROUTE GOES TO PETALUMA OUTLETS SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. 
          BUT THAT'S NEVER BEEN A HUGE RIDERSHIP BASE AND OF COURSE DOWNTOWN. 
          SO I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT RIDE ARE EITHER SAY GOING FROM SOMETHING LIKE SMART AND GETTING TO ST. 
          VINCENT'S OR THEY HAPPEN TO LIVE ALONG THE ROUTE AND THEY'RE GOING DOWNTOWN. 
          MM-HMM  THERE'S A PORTION OF KIND OF DOWNTOWN MAYBE UP TO PAYAN WHERE THAT SERVES WHERE YOU HAVE A BIT MORE DENSITY AND THEN IT REALLY THINS OUT ON THE NORTHERN LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF IT. 
          BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN THE PRIMARY DESTINATIONS ON THAT ROUTE HISTORICALLY. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, AND SO I GUESS, AND BY EXTENSION OF THAT, DOES IT HELP OR IS IT, DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MICRO TRANSIT BUS INSTEAD OF A NORMAL BUS IN TERMS OF EMISSION SAVINGS OR WEAR AND TEAR? I MEAN IS THAT EVEN, IS IT SMALL ENOUGH WHERE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER? I WOULD SAY THERE'S NOT HUGE SAVINGS THERE. 
          IT KIND OF DEPENDS HOW YOU WERE TO SUPPLANT IT WITH THE MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE. 
          IF IT WAS A NEW VEHICLE ALTOGETHER THAT SAY WAS AN EXPANSION OF THE ZONE OR A NEW ZONE, THEN THE COST SAVINGS WOULD BE MINIMAL. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, WHAT'S RUN WITH ONE FIXED ROUTE WOULD BE RUN WITH ONE PAIR, ONE LUMA AGO VEHICLE SLIGHTLY SMALLER. 
          SO YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 50,000 I WOULD SAY. 
          UH, FOR SURE BASED ON THAT CHANGE. 
          MM-HMM  WHAT YOU COULD DO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU WERE KEEPING LUMA GO, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MODIFY THE ZONE TO INCLUDE SOME PARTS OF REP 10 THAT ARE WITHIN IT THAT HAS THE IMPACT OF IMPACTING THE LUGO ZONE TO, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT ADDING MORE VEHICLES ON THERE, THE ZONE GETS BIGGER SO IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO MEET SOME OF THE SERVICE STANDARDS. 
          WE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THAT SYSTEM FOUR, WHICH IS GETTING PICKED UP WITHIN 15 MINUTES, GETTING ANYWHERE POINT TO POINT WITHIN THE ZONE TO 15 MINUTES. 
          THAT PIECE WOULD PROBABLY BE MISSING THAT TARGET. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SUCCESSFULLY PROVIDE ALL TRIPS REQUESTED ON THAT SERVICE AT LEAST 80% OF THE TIME AND WE'RE JUST A TOUCH BELOW THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF DOING THAT IS IT'S TIED TO SOMETHING LIKE DO YOU KEEP LUGO GOING? THAT'S ONE PIECE. 
          AND THEN TWO YOU'RE ADDING PIECES INTO THE ZONE AND COVERING IT BUT ALSO SOMEWHAT DILUTING THE REMAINDER OF THE ZONE AT THE SAME TIME AND ADDING IN I WOULD SAY A PIECE THAT'S LOWER DENSITY, LOWER RIDERSHIP THAN A LOT OF OTHER PARTS OF THE EXISTING LUGO ZONE. 
          SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE I HAD FOR ROUTE 10 SPECIFICALLY WAS UM, WHAT WOULD THE COST SAVINGS BE IF IT WAS JUST ONCE AN HOUR? 'CAUSE I SEE HERE DURING THE PEAK TIME THE FREQUENCY IS 60 TO 45 MINUTES. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY FLEXIBLE OR GENERALLY ROUTE 10 IS ALREADY JUST RUNNING EVERY HOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ONCE YOU GET TO THAT LEVEL, YOU COULD IN THEORY THIN ROUTES EVEN MORE THAN THAT AND RUN 75 MINUTES 90, BUT REALISTICALLY THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROUTE LEFT AT THAT POINT. 
          EVEN AN HOUR IS PRETTY THIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT AN HOUR WOULD BE THE MINIMUM FREQUENCY WE WOULD RECOMMEND ON A ROUTE LIKE THAT, AT WHICH POINT IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO JUST NOT CONTINUE THE ROUTE RATHER RUN LIKE EVERY 90 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION FOR LUGO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT 
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WHAT ESSENTIALLY WAS SPONSORING OF OF ROUTE 24, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A, AN IDEA TO BE CONTINUED DISCUSSION FOR LATER, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO JUST LUMA GO AS A WHOLE, DID WE DISCUSS AT ALL ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH CONTINUED FUNDING AND WHERE BUSINESSES MAY BE INTERESTED IN HELPING SPONSOR IT YEAR TO YEAR? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CONCEPTUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S A PUBLIC PARTNER PRIVATE SHIP OR HOW THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS IT. 
          IF THERE WAS FUNDING THAT CAME ABOUT FROM THAT, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO OPERATE THE SERVICE, MAYBE NOT EVEN BE A CONSEQUENTIAL PART OF THAT, IT WOULD BE A PARTIAL FUNDING SOLUTION TO IT. 
          SO GIVEN THE FACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S 420,000 A YEAR, I DON'T THINK THOSE PIECES IN OUR ESTIMATION WOULD BE ENOUGH TO CONSEQUENTLY SHIFT THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO CONTINUE RUNNING IT IN LIGHT OF THAT. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THOSE PIECES THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A WHILE TO TRANSPIRE. 
          I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY OCCUR WITHIN LIKE TWO OR SO MONTHS. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE A MID TO LONG RANGE UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT SOMETHING THAT COULD CONTINUE IF THAT'S A PRIORITY. 
          AND IF FOR EXAMPLE THAT SERVICE WENT AWAY, MAYBE IT'S PART OF THE ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THOSE ELEMENTS IS DO WE WANNA BRING THIS BACK? IS IT A PRIORITY COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM? WHAT IS THE FUNDING PICTURE AND CAN THOSE OTHER AREAS TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IT? SO LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REST I HAVE IS COMMENTS REGARDING THAT AND OTHER THINGS, BUT OKAY. 
          I'LL HOLD OFF , UH, BY KEN. 
          CARLY , DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, SO I JUST PULLED UP A COUPLE THINGS ON ROUTE 10. 
          UM, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST RIDERS ARE GOING TO COPELAND TRANSIT MALL OR UM, THE PETALUMA MARKET AND THEN MOST OF THOSE RIDERS ARE ADULTS IN YOUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          ADULTS AS IN NOT 65 AND OLDER. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE SENIOR DISABLED CATEGORIES. 
          THEY'RE POOL TOGETHER 18 TO 65. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FRANK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE ON THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTIONS? SO I SAW IN ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT THERE'S WHAT, 300,000 OR SO, 320,000 A YEAR THAT WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY. 
          DID I CATCH THAT RIGHT? YEP. 
          PAGE 16, 3 20. 
          YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          SO I GUESS, UH, IF, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THERE? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AND IS THAT MANDATORY AND ELIMINATING THAT? I MEAN I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S A THING, BUT UM, IF THAT'S BAKED INTO ANY OF THE SAVINGS. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT PREDATES MYSELF BY QUITE A BIT. 
          IT GOES BACK OVER 20 YEARS AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, IT GOES BACK TO AT LEAST 2004 OR SO. 
          AND SO BASICALLY IT'S PART OF A MULTI-AGENCY FUNDING PARTNERSHIP ON THAT ROUTE. 
          AND SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS FUNDED IN, UH, UNISON BY SONOMA COUNTY TRANSITS ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE FUNDS THEY COLLECT FROM COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE ON THOSE ROUTES AS WELL, ALONG WITH SANTA ROSA, ALONG WITH PETALUMA. 
          AND SO IT'S BEEN PART OF A FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT'S DATED BACK A COUPLE DECADES IN THAT REGARD. 
          AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT ARE TIED INTO IT. 
          SO SOME OF THE ELEMENTS LIKE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COPELAND TRANSIT MALL, IT'S MORE OF A FOOTNOTE. 
          THERE'S NO SPECIFIC LINE ITEM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT TO MAINTAIN THE COPELAND TRANSIT MALL. 
          SO WE THINK IF WE WERE TO TAKE BACK THAT MAINTENANCE, THAT WOULD MEAN MORE MONEY COMING INTO THE PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, COFFERS. 
          IS THAT A NET BENEFIT OR A NET EVEN? UH, COULD BE KIND OF DEBATED, BUT I THINK IT WOULD IMPROVE SERVICE OVERALL FOR PETALUMA IF THAT OCCURRED. 
          BUT THE BIGGEST PIECE OF IT IS THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS ROUTE 44 AND 48. 
          BASICALLY WHEN THOSE ROUTES WERE STARTED, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TRANSIT AGENCIES CAME TOGETHER, CAME UP WITH A FUNDING AGREEMENT ON WHO CONTRIBUTES WHICH PIECES TO IT. 
          PETALUMA CONTRIBUTES A LITTLE MORE THAN 14% OF THE COST OF THOSE ROUTES. 
          THAT'S HOW OUR CONTRIBUTION IS DETERMINED. 
          AND THAT'S ALL DONE EACH YEAR IN THE ANNUAL COUNTY LEVEL T-D-A-S-T-A FUNDING SPLIT THAT OCCURS THROUGH S-C-T-C-A. 
          SO I THINK THERE IS POTENTIAL, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW, THE CONSIDERATIONS OF THAT. 
          IT'S A MULTI-AGENCY PARTNERSHIP. 
          SO OF COURSE YOU ALWAYS WANT TO CONSIDER THOSE ASPECTS WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, ARE WE STILL CONTINUING THIS? IS IT SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT 
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TO CONTINUE? THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE ELEMENTS TIED INTO IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT AND CONSIDERING. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED TODAY BY MV? UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT? ABOUT 42. 
          ABOUT 42 I'M TOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, SO YOU'VE OFFERED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR POTENTIAL CUTS. 
          UM, SORRY, I'M JUST SO TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE PAGE NUMBERS HERE. 
          SORRY I LOST MY PLACE ANYWAY. 
          BUT BASICALLY THERE, THERE WERE UM, TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT YOU, UM, GAVE US IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, HOW MANY POSITIONS OR DO WE HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT THOSE CUTS, HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT MB IN TERMS OF HEADCOUNT? YEAH, WE THINK IF WE WERE TO DO THESE CHANGES RIGHT NOW WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CUTS TO THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS, BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING TO ADD SEVERAL DRIVERS. 
          IDEALLY WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT TWO TO THREE MORE THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE THINK IF WE MAINTAIN THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE, THIS WOULD BASICALLY PUT US ON PAR WHERE WE WANNA BE. 
          WE DON'T ANTICIPATE BY DOING THE CHANGES. 
          DEFINITELY WITH A ONE YEAR RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY POSITIONS THAT WOULD BE REDUCED AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE THINK IT WOULD PUT US RIGHT AT THE APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVEL. 
          SOME OF THE THING, AND THAT'S MOSTLY FROM THE DRIVER'S STANDPOINT WITH THE OTHER POSITIONS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SLACK OR THINGS TO ADJUST. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ONE OPERATION MANAGER, ONE SAFETY MANAGER. 
          WE HAVE TWO MECHANICS THAT ARE MAINTAINING THE ENTIRE FLEET, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY LARGE RATIO OF VEHICLES TO MECHANICS. 
          WE HAVE FOUR DISPATCHERS. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD REDUCE SLIGHTLY AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S TIED TO THINGS LIKE NOT RUNNING ON SUNDAYS AND THEN STOPPING SERVICE IN THE EVENINGS, OTHERWISE YOU DON'T HAVE COVERAGE AND PEOPLE THAT ANSWER THE PHONE. 
          WE GENERALLY TRY TO HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS WORKING DURING BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE FIVE OR SIX CALLS COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THOSE AREAS AS WELL ARE ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT AND ARE LOOKING AT, BUT WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO REALLY SHIFT WITHIN THAT. 
          SLIGHTLY ON THE DISPATCH SIDE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH MB, BUT I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST VARIABLE PIECE IS THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS, BUT WE THINK WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR DRIVERS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH LIKE OPTION, UH, THE ONE YEAR OPTION FOR EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK YOU ANSWERED PART OF MY QUESTION. 
          SO THERE'S, UH, PART OF MY NEXT QUESTION IS, SO THERE'S 42 PEOPLE EMPLOYED. 
          UM, HOW MANY OF THE 42 ARE DRIVERS NOW? THERE'S 27 DRIVERS WORKING THREE THAT ARE JUST MANAGE TRAINING. 
          SO 30, SO ABOUT 30 TOTAL. 
          I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF YOU ALWAYS KEEP THE 30. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE NATURE OF TRANSIT, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR RETENTION RATES AND DOING MORE PROGRAMS, BUT YOU DON'T ALWAYS KEEP THAT NUMBER FOR VERY LONG. 
          SO IF ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS LAST GROUP OF TRAINING NOW COMPLETE IT, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 30. 
          AND I WOULD SAY ABOUT SIX OF THEM ARE ON THE PARATRANSIT SIDE. 
          UH, GENERALLY YOU COULD SAY ABOUT THREE WITH MICRO TRANSIT AND THEN THE REMAINDER ON THE FIXED ROUTE SIDE, THERE'S SOME OVERLAP. 
          SOME DRIVERS DRIVE MULTIPLE SERVICES, BUT GENERALLY DRIVERS DRIVE FIXED ROUTE OR PARATRANSIT MORE OR LESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SORRY, LET ME GET BACK TO MY QUESTIONS. 
          HOW MANY, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT FLEET SIZE? JUST IN GENERAL? LIKE I, WHAT I, THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SPECIFICS, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN WITH BOTH LEVELS OF CUTS, HOW, UM, HOW DOES OUR FLEET GENERALLY, WHAT'S THE SIZE, HOW WELL DOES IT MEET OUR NEEDS AND DOES THAT CHANGE IF WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO MAKE, UM, MEANINGFUL CUTS IN SERVICE? SO RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH IT'S A BIT IN FLUX, WE GENERALLY WOULD HAVE 14 FIXED ROUT VEHICLES. 
          WE'RE KIND OF IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OUR NEW ELECTRIC ONES ARE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM STARTING SERVICE AND THEN SOME OF THE OLDER ONES WILL GET RETIRED. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 16 FIXED DROUGHT BUSES, BUT GENERALLY THAT NUMBER IS GONNA BE 14, SAME LIKE A YEAR OR SO. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE NINE VEHICLES OPERATING EITHER PARATRANSIT OR LUGO. 
          AND THEN ABOUT FIVE SUPPORT VEHICLES. 
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I WOULD SAY IF THERE WAS REDUCTIONS IN THE SERVICE, YOU CAN RUN IT DURING PEAK TIMES WITH LESS VEHICLES POTENTIALLY. 
          I THINK YOU WOULD BE SAVING LIKE ONE TO TWO. 
          BUT REALLY A LOT OF THE CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE MORE LIKE LATE NIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE MORE OF THOSE VEHICLES AVAILABLE. 
          THE BIGGEST DEMAND IS ALWAYS DURING PEAK TIME WHEN OUR ROUTES ARE RUNNING MORE FREQUENTLY WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR SCHOOL TRIPPERS OUT THERE AND WE CAN POTENTIALLY BE USING ALL THE BUSES DURING THAT TIME BETWEEN THE ONES WE HAVE IN OPERATION AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF SERVICE FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          I THINK IT HELPS POTENTIALLY IF YOU'RE RUNNING A BIT LESS SERVICE DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES IS YOU'RE PUTTING ONE TO TWO LESS BUSES OUT THERE DURING PEAK TIME SERVICE AND THAT GIVES YOU MORE OF A SPARE RATIO THAT HELPS IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE MAINTENANCE. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT AS URGENT TO PUT EVERY BUS OUT AS YOU CAN AT THOSE TIMES, YOU CAN BE A BIT MORE PATIENT SOMETIMES WITH MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENT APART, ET CETERA. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SOME SLIGHT SAVINGS THERE. 
          I THINK EVEN UNDER THAT SCENARIO IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WHERE LIKE THE FLEET IS WAY OVER EXPANDED BEYOND WHAT IT WOULD BE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DID WANNA BRING BACK ANY OF THESE SERVICES. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING AS KAMISE KIND OF MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, THE CAPITAL SIDE OF THE FLEET VERSUS THE OPERATING SIDE IS SOMEWHAT OVERLAPPED BUT ALSO SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          LESLIE, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS AT SOME POINT. 
          CAN I JUMP BACK IN WITH TWO? CAN I JUMP BACK IN WITH TWO MORE AT SOME POINT? QUESTIONS? YES. 
          QUESTIONS, YES, YES. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          WOULD YOU PREFER TO GO FIRST? I DON'T CARE. 
          . 
          I'LL LEAVE IT FOR THE CHAIR TO GO LAST. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS MORE MAYBE FOR INFORMATION, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT LEADS US ANY PLACE PRODUCTIVE, BUT IF WE WERE TO CHARGE FOR LUMA GO UNDER FEDERAL LAW, COULD, COULD WE BEGIN CHARGING FOR PARATRANSIT? YES. 
          YES YOU COULD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFIT WE WOULD'VE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT FOR THE AREA. 
          GENERALLY PARATRANSIT HAS TO BE THE EQUIVALENT. 
          SO WITHIN THE ZONE WHERE LU MEGO IS, YES, YOU COULD CHARGE. 
          THE TRICKY PART IS IF YOU'RE RECEIVING FREE TRANSIT TO PARTS OF THE CITY OUTSIDE OF LUGO, BUT CHARGING PARATRANSIT FEES, THEN YOU MAY GET IN TROUBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A BIT MORE 'CAUSE IT'S A BIT MURKY AT, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. 
          THE BEST YOU CAN DO THIS EVENING. 
          I GET. 
          THE OTHER THING IS ROUTES THREE AND 33 WITH ONE SMALL DEVIATION, THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME ROUTES. 
          THEY JUST RUN CLOCKWISE AND COUNTERCLOCKWISE. 
          WHAT WOULD THE IMPLICATION BE OF ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE? SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ELIMINATE IT, IF YOU ELIMINATE A ROUTE, BUT JUST DOUBLE UP ON THE REMAINING ROUTE, THERE'S NOT MUCH SAVINGS BECAUSE GENERALLY WHAT THAT ROUTE DOES IS IT DOES A THREE, THEN A 33, IT GOES BACK AND IT GOES FORTH. 
          SO IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN THERE'S HARDLY ANY SAVINGS AT ALL. 
          SOME OVER CAPITAL WOULD LIKE MAINTENANCE OF BUS STOPS, BUT THE SAVINGS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY, IF YOU ELIMINATE ONE HALF OF THAT, THEN YOU ARE SAVING MONEY. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ON THOSE ROUTE CARDS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          WHAT THAT LEAVES YOU WITH IS ALONG THE CORRIDOR OF IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A ROUTE THAT'S RUNNING EVERY HOUR. 
          SO TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE THAT NOW, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THERE'S ONE RUNNING ON THE OFF HALF HOUR. 
          SO MORE OR LESS YOU GET 30 MINUTE SERVICE. 
          IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY HAVING OUR SERVICE ON WHATEVER SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU KEEP VERSUS ELIMINATING THE OTHER ROUTE. 
          HOW MUCH, WELL WHAT WOULD THE, IM LOOK, I I CAN SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE RIDER WOULD BE. 
          IT'S OBVIOUSLY LESS CONVENIENT, BUT IT, IS IT A CREDIBLE CONSIDERATION, LET'S SAY, WOULD ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE TWO ROUTES BE A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO ELIMINATING ROUTE 10? IT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE ONE THAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          THE RIDERSHIP ON ROUTES THREE AND 33 IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN ROUTE 10 IS AND WOULD LIKELY CONTINUE TO BE ROUTES THREE AND 33. 
          IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE DEDICATED TRIPPERS, THOSE ALSO GO BY THE SCHOOLS AND THOSE ROUTES ALSO CARRY A LOT OF STUDENTS AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE ROUTES FRANKLY THAN ROUTE 10 IS. 
          OKAY, THANK GOOD ANSWER SIR. 
          I THINK ERIC HAD ANOTHER QUESTION I DID. 
          VERY MINOR. 
          SORRY, . 
          UM, IF, IF THE CONVERSATION IS TO CONTINUE WITH CHARGING FOR PARATRANSIT, IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT IT'S BASED ON HOUSEHOLD 
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INCOME AND SUBSIDIZED FOLKS WHO MAYBE HAVE LOWER INCOME? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD DO A DIFFERENT FARE BASED UPON THAT. 
          USUALLY WHAT AGENCIES DO IS IT'LL HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'LL GIVE YOU LIKE A DISCOUNTED FARE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LIKE LOW INCOME AND YOU QUALIFY, YOU CAN GET THE CLIPPER START PROGRAM, WHICH YOU PROVIDE TO YOU WITH DISCOUNTED FAIRES. 
          SO I THINK YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE RECOMMENDATION IS AND AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO, IF THAT WAS WHAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THERE TOO. 
          SO YEAH, IF YOU WERE RE-INSTITUTING FAIRES, AND THAT'S AN ELEMENT WE WOULD LIKELY DO IS WE'RE TECHNICALLY PART OF THAT PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING FARES. 
          SO WE WOULD BRING THAT ELEMENT BACK TO ALLOW LOW INCOME PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GET CHEAPER ACCESS TRANSIT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LUMA GO GRANTS. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE GOT THE SAFE ACCESS FOR ALL GRANT THAT WE CAN SPEND IT ALL THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT ON THE LUMA GO SLIDE, I FORGET. 
          YEAH, PAGE 26, THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS THERE'S AN MTIS GRANT THAT PARTIALLY FUNDS FOR THREE YEARS THROUGH APRIL 28. 
          IS THAT MONEY INCLUDED IN THE REVENUE IN OUR SPREADSHEET AND DOES IT GO AWAY IN THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU'VE ELIMINATED LUMA GO SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, DOUBLE DIPPING? YEAH, SO THE MTIS GRANT IS THROUGH S-C-T-C-A. 
          JARED'S BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH S-C-T-C-A ABOUT POSSIBLY ELIMINATING LUMA GO AS IT RELATES TO THAT GRANT. 
          THAT GRANT ALSO FUNDS SCHOOL TRIPPERS AND THE SERVICE INCREASE ON ROUTES TWO AND 11. 
          UM, SO BY ACCEPTING THE SFA GRANT, IT ALLOWS US TO PROLONG THE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS AND THE SERVICE INCREASE IF WE WERE TO CHARGE MICRO TRANSIT AND SCHOOL TRIPPERS. 
          AND, UM, WH WHICH 1:00 AM I MISSING? UM, SERVICE INCREASE, UM, WE WOULD EXPEND THE GRANT MUCH SOONER THAN ITS APRIL 20, 28 DATE, BUT, UM, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE LUMA AGO THAT WOULD ALLOW US, WE COULD ENTIRELY FUND THOSE TWO PROGRAMS ASIDE FROM LUMA GO, UM, OVER THE THREE YEARS. 
          LIKE IN ITS ENTIRELY INCLUDING, UM, OPERATIONS COSTS SUCH AS LIKE FUEL AND STUFF. 
          SO LIKE I I DID THE LIKE MATH AND I WAS LIKE, OH, IT WOULD COMPLETELY EXPEND IT IF WE DID IT THIS WAY. 
          SO, SO THE SFA GRANT ACCEPTING THE SFA GRANT DOESN'T CANCEL OUT THE MTIS GRANT. 
          IT ACTUALLY HELPS US DIVERT IT TO FUND OTHER SOURCES LONGER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AS FOR IF WE GET RID OF LUMA GO, THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A DEFINITIVE NO. 
          UM, MORE OF LIKE, THERE MIGHT BE A PROCESS TYPE. 
          LET ME ASK THE QUESTION ANOTHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
           SO THAT MAYBE I CAN GET AN ANSWER THAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, ON OUR VERY FIRST PAGE, WE HAVE THE, OR WHEREVER, UH, WE HAVE THE CLASSIC REVENUE MM-HMM . 
          LINE AND THE CLASSIC EXPENSES LINE. 
          AND THEN ON OUR PAGES 29 AND 31, WE ARE CUTTING EXPENSES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY, LET'S PRETEND THAT THERE'S A HUNDRED IN EACH OF THESE YEARS MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT COMES FROM THAT MTIS GRANT THAT IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, FUNDS THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS THE FAIR FREE OR NO, THE, THE INCREASED FREQUENCY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND LUMA GO MM-HMM  33, 33 AND 34 IS HOW WE, WE'VE GOT IT ALLOCATED. 
          WE'LL PRETEND MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT. 
          IF WE ELIMINATE LUMA GOAL, DO WE NOW HAVE 50 50 FOR, UM, THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS AND THE IN AND THE INCREASED FREQUENCY SO THAT THAT 100, 100, 100 THAT GOES OUT THROUGH 2028 REVENUE IS ACCURATELY REPRESENTED. 
          IT DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          IT JUST, WE'RE GETTING THAT MONEY NO MATTER WHAT. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S GOING TO ONE OF THOSE THREE TRANSIT EXPERIENCES, , THAT IS THE GOAL. 
          AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN THIS CONVERSATION WAS HAD, IT WASN'T A, YOU KNOW, AN A WE WOULD ANTICIPATE RECEIVING LESS BY CUTTING LUGO. 
          SO THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO 
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THE ANS IF I'M, I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR THE ANSWER IS NO AT THIS TIME. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE, GAIL, THAT IT 33, 33 34 ISN'T GONNA GO TO 50 50. 
          WE'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT. 
          SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT OUR REVENUE AMOUNT, IF WE CUT LUMA GO, WOULD GO DOWN TO 67, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE YEARS. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT SO OUR SAVINGS IS WHAT WE SAY IT IS, BUT OUR REVENUE COULD BE REDUCED BY THE AMOUNT OF THAT GRANT AND THAT IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THESE NUMBERS. 
          THAT RISK OF LOSING THAT REVENUE IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THESE NUMBERS. 
          THE RISK OF LOSING THE 150 K REVENUE? NO, THE MTIS MONEY THAT CURRENTLY FUNDS LUMA GO SCHOOL TRIPPER AND IN THE INCREASED FREQUENCY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE NUMBERS ASSUME THAT WE FULLY UTILIZE AND EXHAUST DEBT GRANTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHICH GRANT? MTIS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS MTIS GONNA GIVE IT, I'M JUST USING MY PRETEND NUMBER A HUNDRED EVERY UA HUNDRED OF SOMETHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DOLLARS. 
          IT COULD BE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IT COULD BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN EACH YEAR THROUGH 2028. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA PRETEND THAT RIGHT NOW WE GIVE 33 TO SCHOOL TRIPPERS 33 TO LUMA GOAL AND 34 TO INCREASE FREQUENCY. 
          IF WE ELIMINATE LUMA GOAL, WHAT DOES MTIS SO YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVEN'T REDUCED THAT NUMBER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH MT MTIS AT THIS TIME THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO GET THAT 33 THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED RIGHT NOW TO LUGO? YEAH, THE EXPECTATION IS WE'RE STILL ABLE TO RECEIVE AND UTILIZE ALL THAT FUNDING. 
          THERE'S NO LESSER AMOUNT OF FUNDING WE RECEIVE IF LUGO IS TERMINATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, SORRY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY HIS POINT. 
          THE GRANT IS ALSO NOT WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT SAYS THIS PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT IS TOWARDS THIS. 
          IT JUST SAYS LIKE IT'LL FUND, UH, TRANSIT EXPANSION SERVICES INCLUDING, UM, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          SO IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN 33, 33 33 THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, BUT IN ANY WAY. 
          SO IT DOES, OH, SO I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THEN. 
          I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT IT WAS THAT WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM, THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM, THAT WE'RE GONNA, AND THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO. 
          YEAH. 
          THE UNDERSTANDING IS YES, WE CAN UTILIZE THE ENTIRE GRANT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ANY WORSE OFF FUNDING WISE IF WE DO CANCEL THEM AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          GOOD ANSWER. 
           TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET THERE, UM, JUST TO, WE WANT TO GIVE LESS MONEY TO ROUTE 44 AND 48, BUT WE ARE ALSO THINKING THAT ROUTE 44 AND 48 COULD COVER FOR ROUTE 10. 
          SO DOES THAT SEEMS TO UNDERMINE OUR NEGOTIATING POINT? THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION IS WE'RE PAYING 15% OF THE COST OF THAT ROUTE. 
          IN THEORY 14 POINT SOMETHING PERCENT, THAT'S 15 TRIPS PER DAY BETWEEN ROUTES 44 AND 48. 
          IT MAY NOT BE A DIRECT CORRELATION, BUT IN THEORY, IF YOU DROP THAT CONTRIBUTION, DOES 15% OF THAT ROUTE GO AWAY? AND SO THAT LEAVES YOU OF 13 OF 15 TRIPS ON THOSE ROUTES INSTEAD OF THE 15 YOU'RE RECEIVING NOW. 
          NOW IT'S UNCLEAR THAT HAPPENS IF SONOMA COUNTY WOULD NECESSARILY MODIFY THE SERVICE LEVELS ACCORDINGLY ON THOSE ROUTES IF THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO RUN THEM AS IS AND THEY WOULD KIND OF EAT THE DIFFERENCE IF THAT FUNDING GOES AWAY, IF THEY WOULD MODIFY THEM. 
          SO I SEE YOUR POINT IS THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS IF THE CITY'S NO LONGER CONTRIBUTING THAT FUNDING, DOES A PROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THAT ROUTE GO AWAY, SAY TWO OF 15 TRIPS AND THEN YOU'RE HAVING SLIGHTLY LESS SERVICE ON A CORRIDOR THAT'S NOW YOUR SERVICE FOR PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH IN LIGHT OF ROUTE 10 BEING ELIMINATED, THAT IS A POTENTIAL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO POTENTIALLY, AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS AND THE SAVINGS OF REDUCING THE FREQUENCY OR, OR THE SERVICE ON EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS. 
          SO THE SAVINGS THEN COMES FROM THE HOURS. 
          SO WE, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME HEAD COUNT, BUT WE'RE JUST, INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR 60 HOURS, WE'RE PAYING FOR 40 GENERALLY. 
          YES. 
          SO WITH THE CONTRACT, UM, AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THERE'S 
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CERTAIN PARTS THAT ARE FIXED AND VARIABLE FIXED OR THINGS LIKE YOUR INSURANCE, BUT IT'S ALSO THINGS LIKE SALARIES. 
          SO YOUR GENERAL MANAGER POSITION, YOUR MECHANIC POSITION, UH, MAYBE NOT MECHANICS, BUT YOUR OPERATIONS MANAGER, THOSE ARE SALARIED POSITIONS AND THOSE ARE WORKED INTO THE FIXED WITH A DRIVER ASPECT, IT'S ALWAYS A VARIABLE PIECE. 
          SO IF A DRIVER'S THERE 20 HOURS VERSUS 40 HOURS, THE COST OF THAT SERVICE COMING INTO PETALUMA TRANSIT IS ALWAYS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SERVICE HOURS THAT DRIVER IS PROVIDING. 
          SO IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW YOU'RE BALANCING THE NUMBER OF SERVICE HOURS YOU HAVE TO THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS. 
          IF YOUR SERVICE GOES DOWN, SAY 5% OF SERVICE HOURS, PERHAPS YOU CAN OPERATE THAT WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF DRIVERS, BUT THEY'RE GETTING LESS HOURS. 
          OR PERHAPS YOU SAY, WE OPERATE THIS WITH ONE OR TWO DRIVERS LESS. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS THE BALANCE AND SOMEHOW HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS A CONVERSATION WE HAVE WITH THE DRIVERS AND THE CONTRACTORS. 
          A LOT OF THE DRIVERS, OF COURSE, PREFER TO SEE BIDS THAT ARE 35 HOURS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA GET 35 TO 40, BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CERTAIN ROSTER OF WHAT'S CALLED EXTRA BOARD DRIVERS THAT MAY HAVE NO SET HOURS OR THEY MAY HAVE A PARTIAL SCHEDULE OF SAY 20, BUT THEY'RE HELPING TO PICK UP PIECES ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS TO HELP FILL IN THE GAPS. 
          SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU MODIFY OR CUT SERVICE IMPACTS THOSE SOLUTIONS AND YOU JUST SPREAD THE PEANUT BUTTER DIFFERENTLY AMONGST THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS. 
          OR DO YOU AT SOME POINT MODIFY, PERHAPS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP A CERTAIN NUMBER WITH LIKE, LIKE 35 PLUS HOURS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF THE CONSIDERATIONS DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE AROUND IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IF NO MORE QUESTIONS, UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. 
          AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NO, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD SAY ONE CORRECTION THERE, THERE WAS ONE, UH, COMMENT EMAIL FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER TAR WHO'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS ENTERED THE RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, BEN PETERS. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY BASED ON THE WHOLE MASCOTS DISCUSSION, WHICH CAME UP AGAIN IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT ABOUT THE BOOK, ABOUT THE SMART TRAIN, UH, AND THEN THE PUBLIC LEARNED THAT, UH, THE GDT ROUTES ARE BEING ELIMINATED IN THE EVENING AND THAT SMART TRAIN IS GONNA RUN TILL 11:00 PM AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATE NIGHTTIME SERVICE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I DO THINK A LOT OF THIS, AND THE ANSWER WAS THE LAST TIME WAS THIS IS GONNA BE A TOPIC OF THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN. 
          AND SO I ASSUME THAT IS STILL HAPPENING AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEFT BEHIND, UH, DURING THESE ACTIONS. 
          UM, THE FIRST THING I'LL SAY, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION ON ROUTE 10. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, THAT ROUTE 10 BE, UH, STARTING SOON, UH, A SCHOOL TRIPPER ROUTE AND WE ELIMINATE THE DAYTIME SERVICE AND WE PICK UP 50 K THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO PRETTY QUICKLY AND PHASE OUT. 
          ROUTE 10, UH, IN FAVOR OF SUPPLEMENTING, UH, YOU KNOW, ROUTE 48. 
          UH, I DO AGAIN APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION ON THE STTA COORDINATION TO, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHOLE MAP, YOU HAVE THE 3 0 1, THE T OH TWO, THE 3 0 3, THE 44, AND THEN THE, THE 33. 
          AND THERE'S JUST, THAT'S TOO MANY CIRCLES IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM THAT SOME OF THOSE CIRCLES AREN'T SERVING THE SMART TRAIN. 
          AND SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, UH, IN THIS WAS TO HAVE THE 5 0 1 SERVE THE SMART TRAIN, AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THE THREE AND THE 33 TO SERVE THE SMART TRAIN ALSO, OR AT LEAST A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THAT'S NOT BEING PICKED UP. 
          UH, BECAUSE TO, UH, MR. ALDEN'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE, THAT SOUNDS BAD, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 44. 
          AND SO HOW BAD IS THAT REALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          AND SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE, RECOGNIZING IT GETS PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS OR SCTA, I THINK IS ANOTHER NEAR TERM ACTION. 
          UH, YOU CAN TAKE. 
          UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE, UH, THE PULLING THE THREAD ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE WAS THE 600 K AND DEFERRED CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN WE'RE SOMEWHAT SHIFTING GRANTS GOING FROM 
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CAPITAL PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, TO OPERATING PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT SEEMS REALLY NECESSARY. 
          UM, BUT I QUESTION WHAT ADDITIONAL CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, UH, ARE ON THE TABLE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T REALLY DISCUSSED AT ALL. 
          AND MAYBE THAT IS, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          BUT IF THERE IS THERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD PULL MORE FROM THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND USE MORE GRANTS TO FUND OPERATING, UH, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, WE SHOULD MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, ELECTRIC BUSES, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT GOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO BRINGING IT BACK TO THE, OH, THIS, OH, WE HAVE ANOTHER COMING AND WE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY, WE DON'T HAVE TO STEP TO JUST THREE MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE 20 MINUTES ALL TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS KATIE MCCOMB. 
          I'M, UH, VISITING FROM SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE. 
          UH, AND I WORK WITH, I'M THE CO-PRESIDENT OF THE TRANSIT ACCESS CLUB. 
          AND, UM, MR. JARED HALL CAME TO VISIT AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. 
          UM, AND HE MADE SOME EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS, UM, BRINGING TOGETHER A, A TRANSIT SUMMIT. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING ON CONFIRMING THAT MEETING COMING UP IN EARLY APRIL. 
          SO WE WILL EXTEND AN INVITATION TO YOU TO RETURN AND WE'LL BE INVITING THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY ALONG WITH ALL OF THE TRANSIT AGENCIES THAT SERVE THE SRJC, SO WE CAN CREATE SOME SOLUTIONS WITH EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATED THAT, THAT, UH, A SUGGESTION AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING A REALLY, UH, A PEAK TIME REPORT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SHARE. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S IT FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          OKAY, WELL, I AM, UNLESS THERE ARE MORE, I'M CLOSING GOING ONCE, TWICE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND I'LL START. 
          , WHAT DID ON THE LAST ONE? UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A POINT, TWO DAVE'S POINT ABOUT YOUR RANGE AND THE NUMBERS, THE IN THE MAX, THOSE ARE VERY BIG RANGES. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DOWNLOADED THE, I COPIED AND PASTED THE NUMBERS INTO SPREADSHEET, AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, FROM THE, THE HIGHER NUMBER IS 45%, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, IT'S 145% OF THE LOWER NUMBER. 
          AND WHEN YOU ADD IN THE ADDITIONAL, WE'VE GOT A RANGE OF 163% OF THE LOWER NUMBER. 
          IT'S LIKE, THIS IS YOU, YOU CAN'T WORK WITH ANY CONFIDENCE WITH A RANGE LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE, MY COMMENT ABOUT THAT IS TWOFOLD. 
          ONE IS JUST SHOCKING TO ME THAT HAVING BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, THAT IT CAME AT, IT JUST, IT SEEMED LIKE IT CAME OUT OF THE BLUE THAT WE WENT FROM NICE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY DAY SCENARIOS OF ADDING LUMA, GO TO LET'S STOP ALL WEEKEND SERVICE AND CUT SERVICES. 
          YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE IT COMING. 
          AND TO HAVE THAT KIND OF UNCERTAINTY IN WHAT WE'RE PLAYING WITH MAKES ME FEEL VERY INSECURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          SO JUST THE, THE COMMENT IS WE NEED TO KNOW BETTER. 
          AND I HOPE NEVER, NEVER TO GET CAUGHT SO, SO SHORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE ROUGH 
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AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND I'M GLAD I DON'T HAVE YOUR JOB. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          NEXT COMMENT. 
          NO ONE COULD BE WORSE THAN ME. 
          SO, , NO, I, I, UH, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR SENTIMENT AND AGREE WITH IT. 
          UH, SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO CAN YOU, CAN, CAN WE PLEASE BRING UP SLIDE, UH, 29? I'M GONNA GO BACK INTO KIND OF QUESTION MODE FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, I DIDN'T WANNA, I DIDN'T WANNA JUMP BACK INTO IT AND, AND DELAY THE PUBLIC ANY FURTHER, BUT IF WE COULD BRING UP SLIDE 29 AND SHOW IT. 
          I, I HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS HERE. 
          SO, UH, AS I REACH BACK INTO MY ACCOUNTING DEGREE, UH, AND TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS, UM, THE WAY I, THE WAY I READ THIS, IF I LOOK AT JUST, UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA USE THE TERM FISCAL 26, THAT'S THE FIRST COLUMN. 
          UH, IF WE CANCEL, UH, IF WE, UM, CANCEL LUMA AGO, WE BASICALLY WILL GET THAT $150,000 CREDIT IN FISCAL 26. 
          AND THAT CHANGES FISCAL 26. 
          THAT GIVES US 168 IN SAVINGS, WHICH TAKES OUR RESERVE OF 333 UP TO 5 0 1 IN MY INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE TOTAL SAVINGS LINE ON HERE FOR FISCAL 27, WE HAVE A RANGE OF ABOUT 7 36 TO, UM, 1 MILLION, UH, 71,000. 
          AND IF I USING DAVE'S, UM, SORT OF SUGGESTION, AND IF I, UM, IF I, UH, LOOK AT THIS CORRECTLY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BALLPARK THE SAVINGS AT ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS. 
          IS THAT SORT OF, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH BALL PARKING? I MEAN, THAT'S TELLING ME THAT THE SAVINGS LISTED IN 27 IS A RANGE OF 7 36 TO 1.07, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE, CALL IT 900 TO A MILLION BUCKS, PROBABLY OUR BEST GUESS, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT A, UH, SO WE ALREADY HAVE A PROJECTED SHORTFALL OF $900,915,000. 
          HOW DOES, UH, SAVING A MILLION DOLLARS IN 27 TAKE THE, THE RESERVES ON A RANGE OF 3 32 TO 6 57? SORRY, I'M PULLING UP MY CALCULATION SPREADSHEET. 
          UM, SO THE MA WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IF WE, IF WE SAVED $1 MILLION IN FY 27 YEP. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR SURPLUS DEFICIT IN FY 27 REMAINDER AT THE END? CORRECT. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE HOW WE GET, SEE, I, I, IF, IF, AND AGAIN, JUST FOR SIMPLE MATH, IF WE'RE $915,000 SHORT, BUT WE'RE GONNA SAVE ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE CLOSER TO ZERO THAN IT IS. 
          AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT IS TRYING TO REPRESENT. 
          WE GOT ABOUT ONE 70 EXTRA THERE, BUT IT DOES STILL DOESN'T ADD UP TO 300. 
          YEAH, IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, IF WE SAVED A MILLION, UM, IT WOULD RESULT IN 500, 586,000, UM, IN REMAINING BALANCE OR SURPLUS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE WAY THIS IS REPRESENTED FOR THOSE RANGES, JUST SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT COMPOUNDS, SO ANY REMAINING BALANCE THAT 5 0 1 GETS PLUGGED INTO THE NINE 15 AND SO IT, YEAH, SO I, I TALK, I MEAN, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST MONTH, I ASKED IF IT IF, IF THESE WERE SORT OF ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS OR IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF COMPOUNDING AND, AND WAS, UH, LEFT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S SORT OF AS IS. 
          SO AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL, I MEAN, HERE, HERE'S KIND OF LIKE, IF, IF I CAN JUST MAKE THIS, UM, SIMPLE FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND AND HOPEFULLY FOR OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND IN THE CURRENT OUTLOOK. 
          WE'RE, AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU, 
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UM, NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SAVINGS HERE, UH, WE ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE A RESERVE AT THE END OF 26, OF 333. 
          UH, WE ARE GONNA BE SHORT 915 AT THE END OF 20 AT, UH, IN 27, ANOTHER 1.6 IN 28, AND 2.366 IN 29. 
          UM, IF YOU ADD UP 27, 28 AND 29, THAT'S A SHORTFALL OF 4.9 MILLION, RIGHT? SO A SHORTFALL OF 4.9 MILLION. 
          SO NOW IF WE TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS OF SAVINGS IN 27 AND A MILLION DOLLARS OF SAVINGS IN 28 AND A MILLION DOLLARS OF SAVINGS IN 29, THAT GIVES US 3 MILLION. 
          SO WE'RE SAVING 3 MILLION ON A SHORTFALL OF 4.9, WHICH STILL GIVES US AN ESTIMATED SHORTFALL OF ABOUT 2 MILLION. 
          AM I MISSING THAT? I'M NOT, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE FORGETTING THE 500 THAT THEY PUT US UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 168,000 THERE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO EMBARRASS ANYONE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M BEING GENUINE THERE, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UH, A A BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT WE'RE DOING SO FULLY INFORMED, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE NUMBERS ON A, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE BASICALLY HAVE A TRANSIT BUDGET OF ABOUT 7 MILLION A YEAR AND OVER. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE THAT ACROSS THREE YEARS, 27, 28, 29, UM, AND YOU ADD A FIVE, A 4.9 MILLION SHORTFALL ON THAT, IT'S ABOUT A 23% SHORTFALL. 
          RIGHT? AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDED ITEM SURPLUS LINE, IF, IF, IF THAT'S A MISTAKE, THAT'S OKAY. 
          I'M OKAY. 
          IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I MADE A MISTAKE ON THAT LINE, I HAD A, LIKE, I MAKE SPREADSHEET FORMULA MISTAKES ALL THE TIME, BUT I WANNA, BUT IF IT'S NOT A MISTAKE, I ALSO WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I, I'M NOT GONNA LIE, I'M A LITTLE LIKE LOST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE NUMBERS OF THE 4.8 AND THEN THE THREE POINT SOMETHING. 
          SO YES, THERE WE STILL ANTICIPATE THE SHORTFALL. 
          IS THAT HOW I'M YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE IT, SO, UH, WE HAVE 915 IN, IN, UH, FISCAL 27 MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? WE HAVE 1.6 IN FISCAL 28 MM-HMM . 
          AND WE HAVE 2.36 IN FISCAL 29. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU ADD THOSE UP, IT'S ABOUT 4.9 MILLION. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE NEED TO CLOSE, SO OVER A THREE YEAR GAP, WE NEED TO CLOSE A SHORTFALL OF 4.9 MILLION MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAVINGS IN THOSE SAME PERIODS, THE SAVINGS ARE ON THIS SCREEN ARE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. 
          SO IT'S A SAVINGS OF ABOUT 3 MILLION. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS PLAN WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE THREE YEAR SHORTFALL. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE, UM, AND I WOULD EXPECT WHEN I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD FALL ABOUT, CALL IT 1.9 MILLION SHORT OF CLOSING THE GAP. 
          AND, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THOSE NUMBERS ON, I DON'T SEE THAT ADDING UP ON THE, THE VERY BOTTOM ROW. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, KIND OF THE POINT THAT I'M, AM I, AM I MISSING, I THINK ONE PIECE THERE THAT MAYBE WASN'T ADDED IN IS THE SURPLUS. 
          YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT THE OVERALL LIKE 4.9 AND IF YOU'RE SAVING LIKE THE THREE AND YOU DO HAVE THE SURPLUS, WHICH FURTHER CUTS INTO THAT PIECE. 
          BUT YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          BY YEAR THREE, IT IS STILL LEAVING YOU IN THE RED WITH THAT DEFICIT PIECE. 
          UNLESS YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING MORE AGGRESSIVE LIKE THIS THREE YEAR SOLUTION TO CUT INTO IT FURTHER, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO TO FULLY SOLVE FOR THE THREE YEAR BALANCED BUDGET MORE OR LESS. 
          YEAH, I GET, YEAH, I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          BUT I, I WANTED TO, UH, LIKE I DON'T THINK THOSE E EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE STILL IN THE RED, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REPRESENTED THERE, I I, THEY JUST DON'T, UM, I COULDN'T RECONCILE IT. 
          SO EVEN HERE, 
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SO IF WE LOOK AT, IF WE'RE USING THIS, AND AGAIN, USING SORT OF THE SAME LOGIC, I'M LOOKING AT THE TOTAL LINES. 
          SO, UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU FOLLOW ME FOR A SECOND, IN FISCAL 27, WE HAVE A SAVING DRAIN, A SAVINGS RANGE OF 1 MILLION TO 1.6, RIGHT? AND, AND A, IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN FISCAL 28, WE HAVE A MILLION TO 1.7. 
          IN 29 WE HAVE A MILLION TO 1.8. 
          SO IF WE JUST TAKE KIND OF A CONSERVATIVE EASY MATH BACK OF THE BACK OF THE NAPKIN KIND OF MATH HERE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LIKE, SAY, I'M GONNA CALL THAT ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF A YEAR, RIGHT? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GUESSTIMATE BY LOOKING AT THOSE RANGES THAT WE'RE GONNA SAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF A YEAR AND A MILLION AND A HALF TIMES THREE IS 4.5 AND 4.5 THAT, SO THAT'S GOING TO GET US 4.5 OF OUR 4.9. 
          SO WITH THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS, IF WE, AND, AND WHAT I, AND WHAT I'M HOPING, LIKE I EITHER WANT SOMEONE TO TELL ME WHERE I'M WRONG OR I WANT THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND THAT ON THE THREE YEAR SOLUTION, UH, SLIDE AT THE END OF THE THREE YEAR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR YEARS, BUT AT THE, YOU KNOW, REALLY TALKING ABOUT 27, 28, 29, UM, IF WE IMPLEMENT ALL OF THOSE SAVINGS, WE'RE STILL PROBABLY GONNA BE ABOUT THREE TO 500,000 SHORT OF CLOSING THE GAP. 
          AND SO I WANNA LIKE, LOOK, I I'M NOT IN IT TO LIKE JUST TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A MEAT CLEAVER TO THIS THING, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO, UM, PUT A PLAN. 
          I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT US TO PROPOSE A PLAN THAT'S GONNA HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS OF SAVINGS IN FISCAL 27 SO THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND CUT $3 MILLION A SAVINGS IN 29. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE. 
          SO, SO, SO WHAT THAT'S TELLING ME IS UN UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE, UM, AS, AS PAINFUL AS IT SOUNDS TO GET CLOSE TO THIS, I BELIEVE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AND RECOMMENDING THE SLIDE 31 OPTIONS TO GET CLOSE TO HAVING A BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SENSE OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD. 
          UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN THE INTERIM TO HELP, UM, MAKE THE OVERALL OPERATION MORE SOUND LIKE, UH, BRINGING ROUTES WITH 33 35 OVER TO SERVICE THE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SMART STATION. 
          I ALSO LIKE, I, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE MR. PETER'S, UH, SUGGESTION ON KEEPING THE SCHOOL TRIPPER ROUTE FOR ROUTE 10. 
          AND EVEN IF THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE A MODIFIED ROUTE 11 FOR ONE, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, ROUTES IN THE MORNING WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, A DEDICATED BUS FOR THAT, YOU JUST HAVE ROUTE 11 AS IT'S COMING DOWNTOWN, MAKE A LOOP DOWN, DOWN TO THE SCHOOL, UM, SOME, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. 
          UM, AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, ARE I THOUGHT HIS COMMENT QUESTION AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE MORE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT MAKE SENSE TO MAKE CUTS IN? UH, SO THOSE ARE MY GENERAL COMMENTS. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY IF I, YOU KNOW, GOT OFF ON A, ON A TANGENT THERE, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT, DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DO. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK PART OF WHAT FRANK WAS BRINGING UP IS I, I HAVE TO AGREE. 
          UM, WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE ROUTE 10 THOUGH, UM, I'M NOT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT IN PARTICULAR FAVOR OF 
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ELIMINATING IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT IF WE STILL SEE THAT IT DOES HAVE A NEED FOR SCHOOL SERVICE AND, AND SCHOOL TRIPPERS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COME AS KIND OF A HYBRID WHERE WE JUST KIND OF OPERATED MAYBE DURING ITS PEAK HOURS INSTEAD. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING A LOT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM AND AND 3:00 PM AND IT'S ALREADY A ROUTE THAT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF LOVE ALTOGETHER, THEN IT KEEPS US IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN STILL PROVIDE TO AN AREA OF THE CITY THAT WE WOULD'VE OTHERWISE ELIMINATED ENTIRELY. 
          UM, COMBINED WITH THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE SAVINGS WOULD BE IF WE JUST DO RUN IT ON PEAK HOURS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS OF HERE KNOW HOW MUCH, UM, ROUTE 24 IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF JUST TRYING TO MEET OR TRYING OUR BEST TO MEET THE MOMENTS THAT WE AREN'T UNFORTUNATELY MEETING IS TO LOOK AT ROUTE 24 AS, UH, A POTENTIAL NOON TO 6:00 PM SERVICE ON SATURDAYS WITH WHATEVER POTENTIAL SAVINGS THAT WE WOULD SEE FROM REMOVING THE HOURS FROM 10:00 AM TO 3:00 PM FROM ROUTE 10 AND OPERATED AS A, AS A PILOT PROGRAM FOR 12 MONTHS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COLLECT DATA AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS ENTHUSIASM FOR REALLY AN UNDERSERVED PART OF THE CITY AND SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER HAD SATURDAY SERVICE BEFORE. 
          UM, I DO HAVE TO GO BACK TO FRANK'S POINT IN SAYING THAT I DON'T WANNA SEE US GO BACK A YEAR FROM NOW AND HAVE TO HAVE THIS VERY DIFFICULT DECISION BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING IT ALREADY IN SANTA ROSA CITY SCHOOLS WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO GO BACK NUMEROUS TIMES AND HAVE HAD A LOT, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THAT IT'S NOT FUN AND THIS ISN'T FUN. 
          BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT CAN BRING IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIVATE SECTOR FRIENDS CAN DO INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AGGRESSIVELY LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, AND I WROTE EXTENSIVE NOTES ABOUT THAT. 
          HOW CAN WE KEEP UPDATED WITH HOW THOSE PLANS ARE WORKING NOT ONLY FOR THIS DEPARTMENT, BUT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT COMING HERE IN A YEAR'S TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN. 
          UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THERE IS A LOT HERE THAT I'M NOT SITTING WELL WITH, BUT I ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT AND SEE THAT WE ARE IN THE SITUATION AND I'M NEWER TO THIS COMMITTEE, BUT TO ECHO OUR CHAIR'S POINTS, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF CAME VERY SUDDEN EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT IT JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE CAUGHT FLATFOOTED. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT CONTINUE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE NEED THESE SERVICES. 
          AND I'VE SAID IT AGAIN AND I'LL SAY IT ALWAYS, THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING THE MOMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT MEETING WHAT, WE'RE NOT MEETING THE MOMENT. 
          SORRY, . 
          BUT, UM, I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS TO THAT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO FORWARD FROM HERE TO ADDING POTENTIALLY FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS? DO WE, SHOULD WE WAIT FOR OTHER COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, LESLIE? YEAH, I, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK I'D MENTIONED THAT I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF LOOK AT WHAT THE POTENTIAL KNOCK ON EFFECTS ARE OF SERVICE REDUCTIONS, UM, BY WHICH I MEAN, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SERVICES CAN HAVE EMPLOYMENTS OR HAVE EFFECTS ON EMPLOYMENT RATES, ON POVERTY, ON GRADUATION RATES, ON THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IDEALLY I'D LIKE SOMETHING INCORPORATED TO JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THAT THESE SERVICE REDUCTIONS ARE GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT AND WHAT THAT IMPACT MIGHT BE, EVEN IF, IF WE HAVE TO MAKE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEARED EYE ON LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO INCORPORATE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, JARED. 
          I'M NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN WHAT ACTION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          LIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING TO ERIC'S POINT? ARE YOU ASKING US TO MAKE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES OR ARE YOU, 'CAUSE YOU WERE SAYING YOU'RE NOT READY TO TAKE THIS TO COUNSEL YET, SO IT'S NOT A FORMAL 
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APPROVAL. 
          I, I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE ASK WAS. 
          YEAH, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS PERHAPS ONE OF THE TWO OPTION PACKAGES, THE YEAR ONE SOLUTION, IF YOU CALL IT THAT ON SLIDE 29 OR 31, BUT IT COULD HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THAT, LIKE DO ONE OF THOSE AND ADD THIS TO THE LIST AND REMOVE THAT FROM THE LIST OR ANY OTHER SIMILAR AMENDMENTS I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE DOING ONE OF THOSE, BUT WITH ROUTE 10 INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING THE ENTIRE THING, WE COULD DO EITHER PEAK TIME SERVICE OR TRIPPER SERVICE. 
          I THINK WE COULD WORK THAT IN AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE KIND OF HELPFUL AND SOMETHING WE COULD CARRY FORWARD TO COUNSEL. 
          AND SO, SO IF I'M, IF CAN I YES. 
          WELL CAN I, CAN YOU STOP THAT A LITTLE BIT? OH YES, PLEASE. 
          SO WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS THAT STAFF WILL BRING A PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL, UH, AND THERE'LL BE SOME ACTION THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE, UM, AND THAT WHATEVER STAFF BRINGS TO COUNCIL SHOULD BE INFORMED. 
          THEY STAFF HAS THE PREROGATIVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE INFORMED FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          AND, UH, WHATEVER THEY, WHATEVER THEY BRING WILL HAVE A, IT'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT, UH, AND, AND WITHIN THAT STAFF REPORT IT WILL OUTLINE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND THE FEEDBACK AND IT'LL SAY THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF STAFF RECOMMEND THESE CHANGES. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT'S FOR. 
          YEAH, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT DESCRIBED THAT VERY WELL. 
          WE CAN DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK THE MORE DETAIL THAT'S PROVIDED WITHIN ANY ACTION HELPS GIVE US MORE FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT COMES FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND GIVES US THOSE SPECIFICS. 
          BUT IN ANY CASE, WE'RE GONNA MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE INTO A MODIFIED PACKAGE OF WHAT GOES BEFORE COUNCIL AND SUMMARIZE ALL THE FEEDBACK. 
          BUT THE MORE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE WE GET WITHIN THE ACTION, THE MORE THAT HELPS KIND OF SET THE PARAMETERS FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND I'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS AND I WILL MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THAT WILL CARRY WEIGHT WITH THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THE PROCESS OF US MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, DO WE NEED TO HAVE VOTE, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENT AMONG OURSELVES? LIKE WE, I'M A LITTLE STRUGGLING WITH THIS. 
          LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SAY PLEASE TO DAVID'S POINT, PLEASE TIGHTEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MAKE THAT PROPOSAL, TIGHTEN UP THOSE EXPENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, OR SAVINGS OR WHATEVER THE HECK IT WAS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE, YEAH, THE SAVINGS RANGE. 
          I COULD, WHATEVER YOU DO, WHATEVER WE DO THAT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTER IF HELPFUL, I COULD RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND SUMMARIZE TO SEE IF THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THE GUIDANCE. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA TIGHTEN UP THE NUMBERS. 
          WE WANNA HAVE LESS FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE RANGE. 
          I THINK ESPECIALLY ELIMINATING TAPERING OFF THE LOWER END OF THAT RANGE, PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS THE MEDIUM HIGH SIDE, BUT GETTING AS TIGHT AS WE FEEL WE CAN WITHIN THAT RANGE IS ONE OF THE GOALS. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA ADD A SUMMARY TABLE EARLIER AND THE STAFF REPORTS, WHICH, UH, SHOWS SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS A BIT MORE. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT ELSE. 
          I THINK ROUTE 10, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES WE'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES IS DO WE DO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST TABLE BUT ADD ROUTE 10 THERE TO BE ELIMINATED POSSIBLY WITH A SCHOOL TRIPPER. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. 
          UM, CAN CAN I STOP YOU THERE? YEAH. 
          AND JUST SAY, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW, A CONSENSUS HERE THAT ELIMINATION, EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS SEEMS A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT CAN, CAN YOU RUN, RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND WE LIKE THAT. 
          DO WE LIKE THAT? IF I COULD OFFER ONE SUGGESTION, ONE THING THAT OFTEN HAPPENS AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL IS THE MAYOR CALLS FOR A STRAW VOTE WITH A, WITH A RAISING OF HANDS TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR. 
          SO I THINK SAYING IS THERE A STRAW VOTE TO ELIMINATE ROUTE 10 EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL TRIP FUNCTION WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE STRAW VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR. 
          AND WE COULD PERHAPS TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME IF WE WANNA DO IT LIKE THAT AND DO A STRAW POLL ON THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU DAVE. 
          THANK YOU JARED. 
          SO STRAW VOTE ON ELIMINATING ROUTE 10 CHAIR. 
          OH, PARDON ME. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, UH, WITH ROUTE 10 FOR THE SCHOOL TRIPPERS, CARLY TOLD US THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE 
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ROUTE 10 ARE 18 ADULTS, 18 TO 65. 
          THEY WERE O OLDER AND YOUNG ADULTS AND NOT S SCHOOL TRIPPERS NECESSARILY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WAS PRE PRETTY EVENLY SPLIT BETWEEN ADULTS AND YOUTH, SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF YOUTH, YOUTH ROUTE 10. 
          SO YOU BEING DEFINED AS AGE IS UP TO 18? YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT'S UP TO 18. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT, YOU HAD SAID THAT PAST 64, THERE'S A LOT PETER'S OUT MORE WITH FOLKS 65 PLUS 64 PLUS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, UM, TO PATTY'S POINT, WHERE, WHERE DOES IT FALL IN PLACE WITH WITH SCHOOL TRIPPERS? UM, THE EXISTING ROUTES THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR SCHOOL LINES AND THEN WHAT I HAD MENTIONED TOO WERE DO WE JUST WANNA RUN IT DURING PEAK TIMES AND WHAT WOULD THOSE PEAK TIMES BE? THAT WAS, UH, WAS IT SEVEN TO SEVEN TO NINE AND THEN THREE TO SIX. 
          THREE TO SIX? CORRECT. 
          AH, THAT LINE WITH THE SCHOOL TRIP, THE SCHOOL TRIP ARE USUALLY MORE LIMITED. 
          THEY HAVE ONE TO TWO TRIPS IN THE AM, ONE TO TWO IN THE PM SO THAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE SLIMMED DOWN VERSION. 
          IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT AGAIN, THAT CORRIDOR WOULD CONTINUE TO BE SERVED BY SONOMA COUNTY ROUTE 48. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE WANTS TO PROPOSE ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS LIKE EITHER ELIMINATE ROUTE 10 AND RUN IT WITH JUST THE TRIPPER OR ELIMINATE THEN RUN IT WITH PEAK TIME SERVICE AND TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF THAT VOTE FOR EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EITHER ELIMINATING MIDDAY SERVICE OR ELIMINATING ALL SERVICE EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL TRIPPER, WHICH IS A, A MORE LIMITED PEAK TIME SERVICE. 
          SO STRAW VOTE ON, UH, ELIMINATING ALL SERVICE EXCEPT FOR THE UM, SCHOOL TRIPPER THE LIMITED PEAK TIME. 
          COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT ONE MORE TIME? SO, OKAY, PEAK TIME IS SEVEN TO NINE AND THREE TO SIX, CORRECT. 
          SCHOOL TRIPPER IS LIKE SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT 30 AND FOUR TO FIVE. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS A MORE LIMITED PEAK TIME. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE SCHEDULE HANDY WHEN IT SERVES THE TRIPS AT, UH, THE SCHOOL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, DO YOU HAVE ONE OR NO, BASICALLY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A TRIP AT 7:30 AM AND ONE AROUND 3:30 PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF IT'S JUST A TRIP OR SERVICE, JUST YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S JUST ONE AND ANYBODY CAN GET ON THE BUS. 
          YEAH. 
          SIMILAR TO ANY TRIPPER, ANYONE CAN RIDE IT, RIGHT? NOT JUST STUDENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'D JUST BE ONE IF WE ELIMINATED ALL SERVICE EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL TRIP, BUT THERE'S JUST, YOU'RE EITHER ON THE BUS OR THERE'S NO SERVICE AT ALL. 
          THERE'S ONE ONE IN TERMS OF PETALUMA TRANSIT, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT ASSUMING YOU WEREN'T RIDING LIKE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT ROUTE 48. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE EITHER HAVE, GIVEN THAT IT'S EVERY 60 45 TO 60 MINUTES, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TWO OR THREE TRIPS IN PEAK TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          THE DIFFERENCE I WOULD SAY OF THE TWO, IF YOU'RE RUNNING SCHOOL ONLY SERVICE ONE TRIP AM ONE TRIP PM IF YOU'RE RUNNING AT PEAK TIME, TWO TO THREE IN THE AM. 
          THREE IN THE PM OKAY. 
          SO WHO'S COMFORTABLE WITH ELIMINATING ROUTE 10 EXCEPT FOR DAY, UH, SCHOOL TRIPPER, WHICH IS MEANS ONE TRIP AM AND ONE TRIP PM AND WHO'S COMFORTABLE? WELL ANYWAY, THAT THE OTHER OPTION THAT WAS, YEAH, . 
          ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE MAKE THAT CHANGE THAT WE HAVEN'T ENTIRELY ELIMINATED IT. 
          WE'VE SAVED ONE TRIP IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO A TEAM, WE HAD A CONSENSUS VOTE ON THAT. 
          ELIMINATE ROUTE 10 AND KEEP TRIPPER SERVICE ON THERE IN SOME FORM. 
          YEAH, WELL IN SOME FORM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE TO DESIGN, IT'S NOT A CURRENT TRIPPER. 
          WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT GETS TO THE POINT OF THAT WITH WHAT'S NEXT ON THE NOTES THAT YOU HAVE MADE. 
          WELL, I THINK WE CAN EITHER TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR PERHAPS I THINK ONE OF THE BIG DECISION POINTS IS THE ONE YEAR VERSUS THE THREE YEAR SCENARIO IS WHICH OF THOSE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS AS OUR OVERALL GOAL AND KIND OF CONSENSUS PERHAPS WITH ANY SLIGHT CHANGES TO THAT. 
          IF, IF, IF I COULD MAKE A PROPOSAL THERE FOR A POSSIBLE STRAW POLL. 
          AS MUCH AS I HATE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO THE THREE YEAR PLAN. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY ALTERNATIVE, 
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BUT I WOULD WANT TO COUPLE THAT WITH A STRONG REQUEST OF GRANTED STAFF TO REDO THE NUMBERS AGAIN, TIGHTEN THEM UP A LITTLE BIT BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND BRING US BACK TO BRING IT BACK TO US ONE MORE TIME NEXT MONTH FOR ONE LAST CUT WHERE WE MAY HAVE A FEW OTHER LITTLE TWEAKS TO MAKE. 
          I THINK TONIGHT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DROWNING IN UNCERTAINTY. 
          SO I, I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO FIGHT THROUGH IT WITHOUT GETTING BETTER NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHO, RATHER THAN SAYING YES, TAKE THIS TO COUNSEL WITH OUR SUGGESTED CHANGES AND WHO'S IN FAVOR OF ONE MORE ROUND, UH, WITH A TIGHTENED UP PROPOSAL. 
          SORRY, . 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS I, UM, ADDITIONAL NOT JUST SUPPORT FOR, I MEAN I, I I, I MADE MY CASE PRETTY CLEAR EARLIER. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD ECHO DAVE'S SENTIMENTS THAT I, I BELIEVE LOOKING AT THE THREE YEAR PLAN IS THE MORE PRUDENT APPROACH. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS JUST SO THAT STAFF KNOWS THAT WE ARE BEHIND THAT OR WE AREN'T, BUT WHO, WHO AGREES THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE MORE DRACONIAN THREE YEAR AS MUCH AS WE DON'T LIKE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT. 
          WE JUST WOULD LIKE ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S CLEAR CONSENSUS. 
          WE'LL WORK TOWARDS A THREE-YEAR PLAN PLAN ON COMING BACK IN MARCH. 
          UM, I, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE COUNCIL IF WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE APRIL DATE THERE. 
          PERHAPS DOING BOTH, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS IF WE'RE PUSHING BACK TOO FAR THE TIMELINE, THAT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO DO FROM THE BUDGET STANDPOINT WITHOUT HAVING THAT PIECE. 
          BUT I THINK WE CAN LIKELY DO BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AND THREAD THE NEEDLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF JUST LIKE THE SIMPLIFIED EXCEL FILE OF THE, OF THE NUMBERS? JUST 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A POINT OF CONTENTION A LOT EACH TIME AND IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE A COPY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT BEFOREHAND. 
          WE HAVE A VERSION THAT'S NOT VERY SIMPLIFIED. 
          YEAH, I WAS SAY, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF WE JUST PROVIDE THAT OR COME UP WITH A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF IT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS STRIKING A BALANCE OF BEING ABLE TO ANSWER EVERY SPECIFIC NUMBER WITHOUT BEING COMPLETELY OVERWHELMING, WHICH IT CAN VERY EASILY BE. 
          BUT YES, I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          CAN I JUST SAY I DON'T WANNA SEE IN EXCEL FILE   WIPE THIS OUT, I WANNA SEE IN EXCEL IT HAS ABOUT 15 TABS THAT ARE ALL REFERENC AND, UH, WAIT, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE GOING AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE BUS ROUTES WELL ENOUGH TO, I JUST KNOW THE ONES I KNOW, BUT THE COMMENT, AND ESPECIALLY WITH MASCOTS, UH, THE COMMENT OF IF THERE'S ANY EXTENSION THAT INCLUDES, UM, SMART STATIONS, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          SO LET, LET'S ADD THAT IN FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY ROUND THAT IS THERE A DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          ARE WE DONE WITH THIS? OH, MADAM CHAIR, THE LAST POINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA DO A, A STRAW PULL ON. 
          OH. 
          BUT THE, UM, EXPANSION OF SERVICE FOR SATURDAY FOR ROUTE 24 AT A, AS A LIMITED RUN FROM 12 TO SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A, A REQUEST FOR A, A STRAW POLL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPACT. 
          I'D LIKE AN IMPACT, BUT ALSO REALISTICALLY WE KNOW THAT THIS DOESN'T, IT WOULDN'T RUN TO KAISER ON A SATURDAY OR, OR A SUNDAY BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S NOT OPEN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF A MODIFICATION WOULD BE MADE TO HAVE IT BE GO TO SCHOENBERG AND THEN TO COPELAND AND IT JUST RUNS AS A LIMITED SERVICE ASSESS, YOU KNOW, FISCAL IMPACTS. 
          WOULD THIS BE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THE FULL CUT WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE FOR ROUTE 24 WITH REDUCING THE PAST, THE, THE LAST HOUR AND THEN THE UM, UH, EVERY 60 MINUTES INSTEAD OF 30 MINUTES, THE SAVINGS RANGE. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RANGES ALREADY,  28 TO 62,000. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT RANGE BE FOR, UM, USING THAT SERVICE FOR SATURDAY IN A LIMITED RUN FOR A YEAR PILOT PROGRAM? WE GET A FEEL OF WHAT COMMUNITY 
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SENTIMENT THAT IS. 
          AND WHILE IT'S NOT THE FULL SAVINGS AMOUNT, GIVEN THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF GRACE WITH ALL OF THESE NUMBERS, IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE IF DOING THIS CAN BE STILL DONE CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER CUTS THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA TRY TO, TO ASK THE QUESTION AND, AND IF I DON'T GET IT RIGHT, YOU'LL CORRECT ME. 
          UM, WHO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF INCLUDING NUMBERS ON A LIMITED SATURDAY RUN ON ROUTE 24? UH, THAT WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO KAISER. 
          UM, AND WOULD JUST BE DAYTIME, YOU KNOW, LIMITED SERVICE JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, FOR THIS UNDERSERVED AREA. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA HURT. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULD, I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT, THAT MAY, THAT CUTTING THE NIGHTTIME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN, WE WON'T BE CUTTING AS MUCH, BUT MAYBE WE COULD GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT YEAH, AND I LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF GOING TO SCHOENBERGER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ERIC. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU ANY MORE? OKAY. 
          I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          UH, I, I THINK GIVEN 
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THE LATE HOUR, MIGHT HAVE BEEN REASONABLE TO REQUEST THAT WE PASS ON THE MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          OH, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING VERY CONSEQUENTIAL. 
          THAT'S ONE THING IS WE'RE CLOSE TO WRAPPING UP OUR ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT ABOUT TWO WEEKS WORTH OF WORK, AND THAT'LL BE COMPLETE IN LATE FEBRUARY. 
          SO GOOD NEWS THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
AND ON IN TERMS OF GENERAL COMMITTEE COMMENT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, I AM ATTENDING THE CLIMATE ROUNDTABLE THAT DEB FOX MENTIONED, UM, THROUGH AN, I GOT CONNECTED TO THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION, BUT I AGREED TO SIT AT THE COMMITTEE TABLE THAT SHE'S TRYING TO ORGANIZE. 
          AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY HOPING TO IMPROVE THE RE TO IMPROVE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN, UH, TRANSIT AND THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE, UM, COMMITTEES. 
          THE WHOLE, UM, LAKE SHORE DISCUSSION REALLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION HOW IMPORTANT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUS STOPS IS AND THAT WE DON'T TALK MUCH. 
          AND THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD PLACE TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP. 
          SO IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO GO, YOU KNOW, DEB SAID SHE'D BE SENDING A THING, BUT I'M, I'M HOPING TO ACHIEVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR, WELL, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR, UM, MA TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT NEXT MONTH. 
          AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:38 PM.
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