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[CALL TO ORDER]
WE'LL, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 7 0 4 OR 5 0 4, EXCUSE ME.UM, DO WE WANNA DO A ROLL CALL NOW AND THEN WE'LL ADD THE NEW MEMBERS, SO, SURE.
UM, SO, UH, MEMBER DAVIDSON HERE.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
UH, WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.IT SHOULD, IT'LL JUST BE NOTED THAT WE HAD TWO COMMENTS COME IN, UH, VIA EMAIL.
AND, UM, WE NEED AN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 17TH, 2025 MEETING.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES? WHAT WAS THE REASON WE COULDN'T ACCEPT THEM LAST TIME? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE APRIL MEETING.
THIS IS THE, THE, THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE JUST NEED TO ACCEPT THE, THE MINUTES OF OUR APRIL MEETING.
AND IF WE CAN GET A MOTION, IF THERE'S ANY DIS DISCUSSION, WE CAN DO IT AFTER THE MOTION.
MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, UH, BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION, WE DO HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
SO IF WE WANTED TO OPEN FOR POTENTIAL IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.
UM, DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COMMITTEE? NOT GENERAL CLIENTS, NO.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
I DO NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 17TH MEETING.DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE MINUTES? NO, IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
TO, UH, THE BIANNUAL REPORT.AND, UH, GOOD EVENING TO THE COMMITTEE.
UH, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT TO GO OVER THE BIANNUAL REPORT.
AND, UH, COREY AND I WILL KIND OF TAG TEAM THAT LET'S, UH, COREY GARO, OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR.
UH, I'M BRIAN COCHRAN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND WE'RE ALSO JOINED TODAY BY WENDY DOW, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
SO, WANTED TO, UH, KICK THIS OFF.
YOU COULD PROBABLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
COREY, UH, JUST WELCOME YOU ALL.
UH, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME FOR THIS, THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS, UM, MANDATED BY THE MEASURE U ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE VOTERS.
UH, IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, WHETHER REGARDING A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM OR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL COREY AND, UH, SUBMIT THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN, WE CAN RESPOND BACK WITH, UH, WITH RESPONSES.
SO, TONIGHT'S AGENDA, UH, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE'S ROLE AND SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE MEASURE U ORDINANCE ITSELF.
UH, TAKE A LOOK BACK, WHICH I KNOW THE COMMITTEE HAS HEARD SOME OF THIS BEFORE.
A LOOK BACK ON OUR FISCAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM FROM BACK IN 2019 AND 2020 THAT REALLY, UH, KICKED OFF THE MEASURE U PROCESS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK FROM THAT PROCESS.
UM, TALK ABOUT THE MEASURE U FUND ITSELF, THE 2024 YEAR END UPDATE, WHICH IS REALLY THE, THE MAIN SUBJECT OF THIS REPORT BEFORE YOU.
AND THEN ALSO TOUCH UPON THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, THE 25 26 BUDGET.
THAT'S THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN NOW, AS WELL AS, UH, HIT ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF THE MEASURE.
AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM YOU ALL.
SO THIS IS A FIVE MEMBER, UH, COMMITTEE.
WE DO HAVE ONE NEW MEMBER WHO HOPEFULLY WILL BE JOINING US TONIGHT.
UH, THE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL TO FOUR YEAR TERMS, AND THIS IS A BROWN ACT BODY.
SO THE RESPONSIBILITIES, THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE RELATIVELY SHORT BOTH IN THE MEASURE YOU ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, EN ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
SO THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE TO REPORT, UH, TO RECEIVE AND COMMENT ON, UH, HOW THE CITY'S USE OF TAX PROCEEDS AND PRIOR YEARS RELATES TO THE SPENDING PRIORITIES THAT WERE OUTLINED IN MEASURE YOU.
AND THEN ALSO COMMENT ON THE UPCOMING YEARS PROPOSED MEASURE UX, UH, APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR AND THE, THE WAY THAT CAN OCCUR.
AND, AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION IN PAST MEETINGS
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ON THIS TOPIC, UH, THE LAST TWO YEARS.I BELIEVE THE COMMITTEE HAS DRAFTED A SORT OF A TRANSMITTAL LETTER THAT ACCOMPANIES THE REPORT, WHICH, UH, EN ENCOMPASSES YOUR COMMENTS.
THERE COULD, THERE COULD BE OTHER OPTIONS SUCH AS THE CHAIR OR ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AT A COUNCIL MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO, TO DO THAT AS WELL.
SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE MEASURE ITSELF.
IT IS A GENERAL PURPOSE TAX MEASURE.
THAT MEANS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST, IT WAS ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A 50% PLUS ONE VOTE WHEN IT WENT TO THE BALLOT BACK IN 2020.
BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THE REVENUES FROM THE TAX CAN BE USED FOR ANY LEGAL GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED OR SPECIALIZED IN WHAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR.
IT IS A 1 CENT TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX.
UH, IT WAS EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST, 2021.
I KNOW WE OFTEN JUST CALL IT A SALES TAX.
THERE ARE SOME VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A SALES TAX AND A TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX.
UM, BUT THESE VOTER APPROVED TYPES OF TAXES ARE TYPICALLY TRANSACTION TAXES.
THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL REVENUE IS APPROXIMATELY $15 MILLION ANNUALLY, AND WE DO USE A SEPARATE FUND TO TRACK THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES OF MEASURE U.
AND ANYTHING THAT IS LEFT IN THAT FUND STAYS IN THAT FUND UNTIL SOME FUTURE USE.
SO IT DOES RETAIN ITS OWN FUND BALANCE.
UH, WE HAVE THE, THE COMMITTEE CLEARLY AND THE SPENDING, UH, IS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND THE FISCAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL SUSTAINABILITY STUDY.
SO ON THAT TOPIC, UH, THIS WAS ABOUT A TWO YEAR PROCESS THAT WE INITIATED BACK IN 2019, AND IT REALLY WAS FOCUSED ON DETERMINING WHAT THE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING NEEDS OF THE CITY WERE.
THIS, UH, THIS WAS A CITY THAT HAD HAD HISTORIC FUNDING SHORTFALLS, REALLY DATING BACKED ALL THE WAY TO THE GREAT RECESSION, KIND OF THAT 2009, 2010 TIME PERIOD, WHICH LEFT US WITH VERY SHORT STAFFING LEVELS AND LOW TO NO INVESTMENT IN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT WAS CONSTRUCTING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE OR JUST MAINTAINING AND RENOVATING WHAT WE ALREADY HAD.
SO WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO LOOK AT EVERY ASPECT OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT WAS OUR STAFFING LEVELS, OUR SALARY AND BENEFITS LEVELS, OUR, UH, PENSION AND HEALTHCARE COSTS, UH, ARE ALL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THOSE INVESTMENT LEVELS NEEDED TO BE.
AND WE ALSO, UH, RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THEIR PRIORITIES, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING EXISTING SERVICES, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, RETAINING, UH, HIGHLY TRAINED, TALENTED STAFF ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AND REPAIRING AND MAINTAINING ROADS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE IT ON A SLIDE, BUT IT IS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT ITSELF.
THERE ARE THE EIGHT OR NINE PRIORITIES THAT WERE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED IN THE MEASURE YOU ORDINANCE THAT REFLECT A LOT OF THAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE TIME.
AND SO BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK, WE, WE PRESENTED IN 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WITH A, UH, A MEASURE YOU INVESTMENT PLAN.
AND THAT HAD A FEW DIFFERENT BUCKETS OR CATEGORIES WHERE WE TRIED TO ENCAPSULATE THAT, UH, THOSE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAD A, AN EXISTING STRUCTURAL DEFICIT IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, FILL THAT HOLE FIRST SO THAT WE DIDN'T SUFFER NEW LAYOFFS OR NEW CUTS, UH, BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FUNDING IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT REALLY HAS THAT, THAT HELPED US BOLSTER EXISTING SERVICES AND, UM, AND KEEP ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD AND POTENTIALLY EVEN AUGMENT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. WORKFORCE STABILIZATION WAS ANOTHER CATEGORY, UH, THAT WE LOOKED AT, WHICH, WHICH REALLY WAS LOOKING TO REBUILD THE CITY WORKFORCE THAT HAD, UH, TAKEN SIGNIFICANT CUTS DURING THE RECESSION AND IMPROVED SERVICES WHERE WE COULD, UH, AND ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD.
THE OTHER PIECE OF WORKFORCE STABILIZATION WAS, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR SALARIES AND BENEFITS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE A, THAT WE WERE A, A COMPETITIVE, UH, WORK FOR WORKPLACE IN THE MARKET.
AND SO WE DID SOME MARKET SURVEYS, LOOKED AT OUR COMPETITIVENESS, MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN COMPENSATION TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD RECRUIT STAFF.
ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT WE REALLY FOCUSED ON, AND I KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAS FOCUSED ON, IS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE ROADS, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, CITY FACILITIES, UH, FIRE STATIONS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF, OF CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES.
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NEEDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO INVEST.AND I BELIEVE, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES AND THE AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WAS IN CITY OF PETALUMA, IT WAS BORDERING ON $200 MILLION OF DEFERRED MAN.
SO A VERY SIGNIFICANT BACKLOG OF PROJECTS AND, AND RENOVATIONS AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE NEEDED ON ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORIES.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY WE HAD SOME PRIORITY INITIATIVES THAT WE PUT INTO, UH, ANOTHER CATEGORY.
AND THOSE REALLY LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE, UH, ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, SOME OF OUR CLIMATE INITIATIVES AND ELECTRIFICATION OF FLEET, UH, SOME IT PROJECTS AND, AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO JUMPSTART ONCE WE STARTED RECEIVING THE MEASURE YOU REVENUES.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, I'LL JUST ADDRESS THE MEASURE YOU FUND ITSELF AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO COREY.
SO, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE FUND TO, TO TRACK MEASURE YOU REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.
IT IS CLASSIFIED AS A GENERAL TAX.
THE SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND, UM, AND IT, IT IS ITS OWN FUND OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND OR THE WASTEWATER FUND OR ANY OF THE OTHER FUNDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, OF WHICH WE HAVE ABOUT 120 IN TOTAL.
UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES AND ALL DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
MOST OF THOSE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED.
SO WE CAN'T USE, CAN'T USE WATER FUNDS, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT WATER, ET CETERA.
UH, WE DO ISSUE ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS BY DECEMBER 31ST OF EACH YEAR.
AND WE, UH, PRESENT A BUDGET IN MAY AND ADOPT IT BY JULY 1ST FOR THE NEXT UPCOMING, UH, FISCAL YEAR.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COREY.
SO, UM, I WILL START WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, UM, YEAR-END UPDATE.
IT BEGAN ON JULY 1ST, ON JULY 1ST, 2024.
IT WENT THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2025.
SO OUR REVENUES WERE, UM, 16.2 MILLION.
OUR FUND BALANCE, UM, WAS AT AROUND 500, ALMOST 569,000 THAT WILL REMAIN IN THE FUND UNTIL IT'S, UM, APPROPRIATED, UM, POSSIBLY THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE 27 BUDGET AS WE SPEAK.
SO, UM, THAT WILL PROBABLY COME TO YOU, UM, IN THE APRIL MEETING.
UM, UH, OUR TAX REVENUES, UM, WE HAVE SEEN AN IMPACT ON OUR, UM, TAX REVENUES, NOT JUST WITH MEASURE U SALES TAX, BUT WITH OUR GENERAL SALES TAX AS WELL, JUST FROM THE ECONOMY OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN, WE SAW A DECLINE, UM, FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.
IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S FLATTENED OUT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PAST THE DECLINE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL JUST, UM, STAY FLAT.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE HAVE FACTORED IN JUST A STANDARD 3%, YOU KNOW, COST OF LIVING OR A-A-C-P-I FACTOR INTO THE REVENUE GROWTH.
UM, OUR YEAR END RESULTS ARE, UM, ON ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT IS ONLINE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, UM, AT THIS MEETING WE SPEAK MAINLY ABOUT MEASURE U, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL, UM, FOR CONTEXT, UM, FOR JUST A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT HAS CITY OPERATIONAL INFORMATION PROGRAMS, CAPITAL PROJECTS, ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S THE LINK THERE FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO OUR MEASURE U HERE'S THE FORECAST THAT I JUST BRIEFLY, UM, MENTIONED.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A REALLY STRONG OUTLOOK SINCE THE INCEPTION, UM, OF MEASURE U.
HOWEVER, UM, JUST RECENTLY OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN THAT DECLINE ACTUALLY PROBABLY JUST FOLLOWING THE PANDEMIC THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S FLATTENED OUT.
UM, AND WE ARE, UM, ANTICIPATING A, A SMALL GROWTH IN THE, UM, OUT YEARS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWING HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF OUR MEASURE USE SALES TAX, UM, SOURCES.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE CATEGORIES OF WHERE THE REVENUE IS GENERATED FROM.
SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT, IN TOTAL ABOUT 66% OR SO IS, UH, GENERATED FROM GENERAL RETAIL, UM, FOOD PRODUCTS AND, UM, TRANSPORTATION.
AND THE COUNTY POOL IS ALSO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
THAT'S 14% AND THAT'S LARGELY ONLINE SALES AND A LOT OF IT'S AMAZON, UM, INCEPTION TO DATE.
SO THIS IS JUST A CHART THAT'S LOOKING AT OUR EXPENDITURES AND, UM, REVENUE SINCE INCEPTION THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 26.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR REVENUES ARE, UM, PLATEAUING AND OUR EXPENDITURES HAVE, UM, HAVE INCREASED.
UM, THAT BIG JUMP IN 24 IS, UH, AN INCREASE DUE TO ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING IN IN THE PRIOR YEARS THAT WE THEN APPROPRIATED, UM, TO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN, IN FISCAL YEAR 24.
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THIS IS OUR 25 EXPENDITURES BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN THE CATEGORIES THAT BRIAN WENT OVER.SO, UM, 86% OF THE BUDGET WENT TO SUPPORT, UM, PROTECT OUR CORE ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
THOSE INCLUDE, UM, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UM, SERVICES THAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM DAILY.
UM, 14% WENT TO LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS.
SO THAT INCLUDES, UM, ROADS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BOTH EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, UM, FUNDING FOR OUR EMERGENCY POWER BACKUP AT CITY HALL.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM REPLACEMENT, UM, THAT IS EXPECTED TO, UM, BE COMPLETED IN 28.
AND THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN ON SINCE 2008.
SO, UH, AGAIN, 13.6 MILLION OF MEASURE U WAS USED TO PROVIDE THOSE ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
UM, BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN THE CATEGORIES.
UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST ALL DEPARTMENTS IN THE GENERAL FUND, UM, ARE REALLY, UM, UM, UH, BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IS BENEFITING FROM ALL OF ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THERE PROVIDE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, OUR MEASURE YOU REVENUES COMPARED TO THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THAT'S ABOUT 81 MILLION.
UM, MEASURE U CONTRIBUTES ABOUT 20% OF OUR OVERALL OPERATING COSTS, UM, OF THE GENERAL FUND.
AND TO JUST PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE, I THINK SOME EXAMPLES THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BENEFITED FROM DIRECTLY FROM THE MEASURE U IS, AND THIS IS JUST A HANDFUL OF EXAMPLES, WE'VE HAVE, UM, REALLY INCREASED OUR PARK MAINTENANCE.
THAT INCLUDES OUR GOPHER ABATEMENT, THAT INCLUDES VEGETATION MANAGEMENT THROUGH OUR GRAZING PROGRAM.
UM, WE HAVE NEW CITY RAN PROGRAMS OUT OF PARKS LIKE AQUATICS.
WE'VE INCREASED OUR SENIOR CENTER SUPPORT AND EXPANDED OUR HOURS.
WE HAVE FULL STAFFING AND POLICE AND FIRE.
UM, WE HAVE BROUGHT MORE INTERNAL STAFFING TO PLANNING, UM, WHICH DECREASES OUR RELIABILITY ON OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS.
WE'VE INCREASED OUR COMMUNITY COMMUNICATIONS, UM, JUST ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND JUST IN GENERAL ALL AROUND, UM, THAT PROVIDES UPDATES TO THE COMMUNITY ON CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OTHER AREAS OF CITY BUSINESS.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE A LOT IN OUR TECHNOLOGY, SO IT, UM, ALLOWS US TO WORK SMARTER AND MORE EFFICIENT.
UM, WE HAVE INCREASED STAFFING, WHICH BRIAN TO TOUCHED ON WITH WORKFORCE STABILIZATION THAT ALLOWS US TO APPLY FOR GRANTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE BEEN ABLE TO APPLY FOR, UM, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF GRANTS AND HAVE BEEN AWARDED THAT SINCE MEASURE U WENT INTO PLACE.
UM, AND THEN IN PUBLIC WORKS MORE STAFFING MEANS MORE PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE ON ALL INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROJECT, UM, MANAGEMENT AS WELL OF ALL OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD.
SO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN 25, ABOUT 2 MILLION WITH SPEND ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S, UM, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND OUR ON ONGOING ASSOCIATED DEBT SERVICE, UM, FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED, UM, AND ARE MOVING THAT ARE ALL MOVING FORWARD.
UH, THIS FUNDING ALSO SUPPORTED, AS I MENTIONED, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BOTH EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN OUR ONGOING WORK WITH OUR EMERGENCY POWER BACK UP HERE AT CITY HALL AND THE EVENT THE POWER GOES OUT, OR WE HAVE A SHUTOFF BY PG E.
UM, AND, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENT TO REPLACE THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE IN PLACE BY 27, 28.
SO OUR BOND INVESTMENT, UM, UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON, ON WHAT, WHAT REMAINS IN OUR, OUT IN OUR BONDS THAT WE ISSUED.
SO WE PULLED THIS TOGETHER TO SHOW THAT WHERE THE BOND FUNDING HAVE HAS GONE, WHAT PROJECTS, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE $20 MILLION OF BONDS ISSUED IN 21 TO REALLY ADVANCE A LOT OF THE ROAD PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN JUMPSTART, WE COULD JUMPSTART, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, ADDRESSING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
SO NORTH MCDOWELL, THAT PROJECT BUDGET WAS 12.1 MILLION.
THE BOND PROCEEDS THAT WENT TO THAT PROJECT WERE 8.4 MILLION.
MANY OF THESE PROJECTS, MOST OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS HAVE, UM, UH, UH, VARYING AMOUNT OF, OF FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THE BONDS ARE JUST ONE FUNDING SOURCE OF WHAT COULD BE MANY IN EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, MARIA DRIVE, THAT PROJECT BUDGET WAS 4 MILLION.
WE SPENT 3.4 MILLION OF THE BOND PROCEEDS ON THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE HAVE A CITYWIDE, UM, RESTORATION STREETS, UM, PROJECT, THE BUDGET 6.1, WE SPENT 4.4 MILLION ON THAT.
UM, THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALL, HAVE ALL BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, WE ARE CONTINUING ON THE RAINIER AVENUE PROJECT.
THAT BUDGET IS ESTIMATED AT 3.6 MILLION.
UH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING USING 2.8 MILLION OF THE BONDS.
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THE COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT IS EXPECTED IN 26 27, UM, HOWARD STREET.UM, THAT PROJECT BUDGETS 2.4 MILLION BOND PROCEEDS, UM, OF 1.8 MILLION, EXPECTED TO BE USED COMPLETION IN 26, 27.
AND THEN D STREET, UM, THAT PROJECT BUDGET'S 3.8 MILLION BOND PROCEEDS EXPECTED OF 0.9 MILLION.
SO IF YOU ADD ALL THIS UP, THIS IS ABOUT 21.7 MILLION.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE EARNED A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST FROM THE BOND SITTING IN THERE FOR THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, BOND INVESTMENTS HAVE GONE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, I JUST, WE THREW IN A COUPLE PICTURES HERE TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT'S BEEN DONE.
THIS IS BY NO MEANS, YOU KNOW, PICTURES OF PICTURES OF EVERY PROJECT, BUT THIS IS A PICTURE OF MARIA DRIVE BEFORE AND AFTER.
UM, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT BUDGET WAS 4 MILLION, ROUGHLY 3.4 MILLION OF THE BONDS WENT TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, NORTH MCDOWELL WAS ALSO A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT, A RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT THE BUDGET WAS 12 MILLION AS I JUST MENTIONED.
WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES HERE BECAUSE IT WAS COMPLETED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT WE'VE, UM, RECENTLY COMPLETED.
AND THEN HERE'S A COUPLE MORE PICTURES, THE BEFORE AND AFTER.
UM, THESE ARE RESTORATION, PAYMENT RESTORATION PROJECTS.
SO MADISON AND VALLEJO, JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL LIKE THIS, UM, BUT JUST THREW 'EM IN THERE FOR, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE TO SEE.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT 20, UM, 4 25 LOOKS LIKE.
ABOUT 94% IS GOING TO SUPPORT OUR ESSENTIAL, UM, SERVICES.
AND ABOUT 6% IS GOING TO, UM, TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT.
AGAIN, THAT'S ROADS ONGOING DEBT SERVICE TECHNOLOGY.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME FUNDING FOR LU KC TURF REPLACEMENT IN THERE.
WE HAVE, UM, A SIDEWALK, UM, PROGRAM, UH, FINANCIAL AID PILOT PROGRAM, UM, BUDGET THIS FISCAL YEAR TO HELP, UM, TO HELP FUND REPAIR ON, ON SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME TRANSIT SUPPORT, UM, AS WELL.
AND THEN I JUST WANNA MENTION HERE, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE, THE FORECASTED CHART THAT WAS, UM, WAS DISCUSSED WHEN MEASURE U WAS INITIALLY, UH, INITIALLY DISCUSSED DURING THE FISCAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL SU SUSTAINABILITY PROCESS.
BUT WHILE THE 94% OR THE 86% MAY SEEM HIGH, WHEN WE INITIATED THIS FINANCIAL PLAN WITH MEASURE U, WE LOOKED AT THE FORECAST OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD AND WE KNEW THAT OUR COSTS WERE GOING TO GO UP AT A CERTAIN TIME AND THEN COME RIGHT BACK DOWN.
AND SO, UM, WE WERE ANTICIPATING THAT A LARGE PORTION WOULD GO TO SUPPORT OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES DURING A TIME PERIOD.
AND WE'RE IN THAT TIME PERIOD RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE WILL, IT WILL, IT WILL REMAIN HIGH FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AND THEN IT SHOULD START DECLINING AND MORE WILL BECOME AVAILABLE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PRIORITY INITIATIVES AND SUCH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, AND THAT, THAT CHART OR THAT FORECAST IS, I BELIEVE IT'S ONLINE MAYBE IN THE MEASURE U INFORMATION, UM, FROM, UH, FROM THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROCESS IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT IT.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING, OVERSIGHT MEETING IS APRIL 29TH.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE ARE IN THE STAGES OF DEVELOPING THE, UM, FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET.
SO AT THE APRIL MEETING WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, WHAT IS PLANNED FOR FISCAL 27.
UM, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IS SCHEDULED FOR THE FIRST, UM, MONDAY IN MAY.
AND UM, OUR BUDGET IS, UM, ADOPTED IN JUNE, UM, FOR SPENDING TO OCCUR BEGINNING JULY 1ST.
SO ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, UM, IS DEFINITELY ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES.
UM, WE DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE OUR, UM, DATA AND MAKE IT EASILY ACCESSIBLE, UM, AND IN MANY CASES SIMPLIFY IT FOR THE READER.
UH, WE ARE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY THROUGH MANY AVENUES, UM, SHOWING HERE WE HAVE THE ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS, OUR A, OUR AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UM, AND THEN THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.
UM, THERE IS ONGOING, UH, MONITORING OF FUND ACTIVITY.
THERE'S TYPICALLY THREE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, UM, PER YEAR IN A MIDYEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST UPDATE.
UM, ALL PROJECT FUNDING REMAINS IN THE, IN THE PROJECT THROUGH COMPLETION.
UM, AND ANY EXCESS, UM, FUND BALANCE REMAINS IN THE FUND UNTIL IT'S, UM, APPROPRIATED, UM, FINANCIAL DATA IS AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET AND THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU, UM, MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
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TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.FIRST OFF, UM, MR.
GLAD DO WE NEED TO DO THE OATH OF OFFICE OR THE CLERK TOOK HIM IN THE BACK AND UM, AND SHE PROVIDED THE OATH OF OFFICE.
SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR COREY? ROSEMARY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVIDING THE ROAD UPDATE.
I KNOW IT'S SUCH A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND UM, I THINK THAT'S A LOT WHY THEY VOTED IN MEASURE U.
UM, WHAT I WAS WONDERING THOUGH IS THAT 20 MILLION IS SPENT, COULD YOU ADDRESS HOW WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THE ROAD BUDGET WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE THE TOO HIGH OF THE MEASURE YOU MONEY GOING TO, UM, UNFUNDED PRODUCE LIABILITY? I CAN, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF BRIAN WANTS TO, WANTS TO
UM, IT STARTS TO DECLINE, COREY, I WANNA SAY MAYBE 20, 30, 31? YEP.
AND THEN IT STARTS ACCELERATING DOWNWARD AFTER THAT.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE TIME PERIOD WHEN MORE MEASURE YOU MONEY WILL BE FREED UP.
UM, WHICH WE, WHICH WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OTHER PROJECTS DONE.
THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT ROAD BOND LIST, THOSE ARE GONNA TAKE US OUT FOR REALLY THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SCHEDULE ON D STREET, BUT AT LEAST RAINIER AND HOWARD SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN D STREET, UH, AFTER THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KIND OF THE NEXT TWO YEAR WORK PLAN REALLY WORKED OUT.
UH, AFTER THAT IT, IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME GAS TAX MONEY AND SB ONE FUNDS THAT WE USE, UM, SOME FROM OUR WASTE FRANCHISE.
AND, UM, AND WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES THAT WE CAN APPLY TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBLE FUNDING SOURCE WE KNOW, WHICH IS REALLY THE BEAUTY OF MEASURE U, UH, TO BE ABLE TO APPLY WHEREVER IT'S NEEDED.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, A BIT OF ROAD FUNDING EVEN AFTER THE BONDS.
SO COREY, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA ELABORATE ANYMORE.
SO OUR APPROVED MINUTES TALKED ABOUT MAYBE 20 TO 25% KEPT FOR PROJECTS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, PRIORITY INITIATIVES.
AND, UM, THAT WAS AHEAD OF THIS CURRENT YEAR BUDGET WAS, UM, THAT BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN ANY OTHER WAY THAN A LETTER ATTACHED TO OUR REPORT? NN NO, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE'S THAT, THAT WAS THE COMMITTEE'S RESPONSE TO THE REPORT THAT WAS PUT INTO THE LETTER AND WE DID TRANSMIT THAT TO COUNCIL.
UM, WE ALL, IT ALSO IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND I BELIEVE A LINK TO THE REPORT AS WELL AS THE LETTER DID GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY UPDATE NEWSLETTER.
UM, THAT GOES OUT TO, UH, A WIDE VARIETY OF THE COMMUNITY OR, UH, WHOEVER SIGNED UP FOR OUR UPDATES WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET THAT, THAT LINK.
ANYONE ELSE? JACK, I'VE GOT KIND OF A PRELIMINARY QUESTION THAT'LL LEAD TO THE OTHER.
SO ON PAGE 12, IT HAS THE MULTI-YEAR, UH, CHART, AND I CAN PASS IT TO YOU.
IT'S EASIER THAN ME LOOKING IT UP.
SO THE AMOUNT IN THE, IN THE BUDGET, THE LAST COLUMN FOR ROADS IS DOWN ON ROUGHLY A MILLION.
IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE FINAL PROJECTED NUMBER OR IT'S NOT A FINAL NUMBER YET AND IT WILL GROW? GENERALLY IT GO, IT GOES BACK TO THAT LONGER TERM FORECAST.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE INITIATED MEASURE U, WE HAD PULLED TOGETHER A 20 YEAR FORECAST.
AND AS OUR, AS OTHER COSTS ARE RISING IN THAT CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BELL CURVE.
AND SO, UM, WE KNEW THAT WE WOULD NEED MORE FOR OUR DAILY OPERATING SERVICES, WHICH MEAN, WHICH WHICH MEANT THERE WOULD BE LESS FOR, UM, ROAD AND OTHER RELATED, UM, PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A PLANNED NUMBER.
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YOU, YOU WERE VERY HELPFUL 'CAUSE YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE 20 YEAR ORIGINAL PROJECTION ANSWERED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.BUT AS A SUGGESTION, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A SUGGESTION MM-HMM
IF YOU READ THE REPORT WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU SHARED, AND WITHOUT LOOKING AT THAT 20 YEAR, YOU KNOW, A A AN INNOCENT PERSON LIKE ME MM-HMM
WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WOW.
THE THE GENERAL FUND NUMBER IS CLIMBING, THE ROADS NUMBER IS GOING DOWN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH FUTURE AND IT'S JUST GONNA DROP.
SO I, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE DETAIL, BUT A RECOMMENDATION JUST SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU PROVIDED, WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION BEFORE IT COMES UP.
IF THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M TRYING TO SAY IT DOES, AND I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT CHART INTO THIS.
I MEAN, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AS FORECASTS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS.
BUT JUST IN GENERAL, IF YOU LOOK, IT'S, IT'S A VERY COLORFUL CHART AND IT HAS A LOT OF, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, BARS AND, AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
RECOGNIZE, THEY REPRESENT DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WITHIN THE, THE EACH YEAR OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF COSTS.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE CAN EASILY PUT, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE OF THE CHART WITHIN THE REPORT JUST TO HELP OUT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ALL THAT BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S A, A NORMAL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR EXPLANATION OR DIDN'T KNOW THAT HISTORICAL, I'D LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WOW, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL COSTS ARE GOING UP, THAT'S GONNA KEEP GOING AND EVENTUALLY THERE'LL BE NOTHING.
SO I THINK IF YOU JUST ADDRESS IT AND IF IT, IF IT'S REAL THAT WE'RE WITHIN THE FRAME OF THE ORIGINAL UP AND DOWN, I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT.
AND THAT, THAT TO ME WOULD BE ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT SENTENCES YOU COULD, YOU COULD ADD.
ANY OTHER, UH, MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO I GUESS LAST YEAR WE ARE, WE, WE HAD ABOUT 14% GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE MM-HMM
EVEN THOUGH AS THE MEASURE U COMMITTEE, I GUESS OUR LETTER FELL ON DEAF EARS.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM WHAT WE FELT WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.
UM, OUT OF THAT 6% FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO PAY DOWN THE BOND? SO WHAT IS LEFT REALLY FOR ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS? YEAH.
SO OUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ON THE $20 MILLION BOND IS JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
AND SO SINCE INCEPTION, UM, AGAIN, AND GO GOING BACK TO THAT 20 YEAR FORECAST, WE KNEW THAT DURING A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD WHEN OUR OPERATING COSTS WERE GOING UP, THAT IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING, UM, WITHOUT SETTING FUNDING ASIDE IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS TO PAY OUR ONGOING DEBT SERVICE.
AND SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE DEBT SERVICE IS A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, AND YOU'RE ONLY SEEING 366,000 GOING INTO THAT, UM, TO, TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE SECTION, WE ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDING IN, IN, THEY'RE COMMITTED FOR THE ONGOING DEBT SERVICE FOR THE LIFE OF THE BONDS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THAT FINANCIAL PLAN WE HAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS AND THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS.
AND SO WE HAD TO STRUCTURE IN A WAY THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS WORKFORCE STABILIZATION, UM, INCREASE OUR SERVICES, DO ROAD WORK BY ISSUING THE BONDS.
AND SO ALL OF THAT IS ALL FACTORED IN.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE, THESE SWINGS IN, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TOWARDS, TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE, UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT IN 20 31, 20 32 WHEN OUR OPERATING COSTS START REALLY COMING DOWN.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER, OTHER NEEDS.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN GENERAL, UM, INCREASED THE CITY SERVICES OR THE GENERAL FUND BY, UM, 8% THIS YEAR? SO, UM, OUR SALARY AND BENEFITS ARE MAINLY OUR BENEFITS AND RELATED TO OUR RETIREMENT HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE PERS CHANGED THEIR CONTRIBUTION POLICY BACK IN 2017 ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL CALIFORNIA AGENCIES.
AND THEY BASICALLY WANT ALL AGENCIES TO, TO COMPLETE, TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR RETIREMENT PLANS COMPLETELY FUNDED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD.
AND SO WHAT THAT DID IS IT RESULTED IN, UM, LOCAL AGENCIES HAVING TO REALLY BUMP UP THEIR, UM, ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
UM, AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THROUGH PERS OVER THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD.
AND SO IN 2017, THAT'S WHEN THE, THAT'S WHEN THE INCREASES REALLY STARTED AND THEY CONTINUE TO GO UP UNTIL IT REACH THE TOP, REACHES THE TOP OF THAT KIND OF CURVE.
AND THEN THEY COME DOWN JUST AS QUICKLY AS THEY WENT UP.
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WHICH IS BASICALLY HALFWAY THROUGH THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA SEE THE COSTS COME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.I JUST, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE AVERAGE PERSON INCLUDING ME, DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THAT GOES IN INTO THIS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BACK.
I MEAN, YOU KNEW IN 2017 THAT THE PURRS WAS GONNA PUT THE CITY INTO FINANCIAL DISTRESS.
AND, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WASN'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW PUBLIC THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER IN PETALUMA I THINK FEELS MORE OF THIS MONEY WAS GOING WHERE WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS GOING.
WELL I THINK, I THINK, I MEAN, ALL AGENCIES ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AND IT IS JUST A COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
WE HAVE NO OPTION OTHER THAN TO PAY OTHER THAN TO PAY IT.
SO WOULD YOU SAY IT WENT UP FROM THE MORE PERS THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR AND MORE NEXT YEAR THAN THIS YEAR? MM-HMM
I MEAN, IS THAT HOW IT'S WORKING? AND THEN IN 20 31, 20 32, IT'S EXACT OPPOSITE.
IT DROPS AND IT DROPS AND IT DROPS AND IT DROPS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S GOING UP RIGHT NOW, THEN IT WILL COME RIGHT BACK DOWN.
AND SO FOR, AS YOU'RE DOING THE 26, 27 BUDGET, ARE WE GONNA HAVE EVEN MORE PERCENTAGE TO CITY SERVICES INSTEAD OF INFRASTRUCTURE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW OUR REVENUES, WHAT OUR REVENUES LOOK LIKE.
SO I'M PROJECTING THE FLAT REVENUES.
UM, I'M WATCHING THE TRENDS REALLY CLOSELY.
IT COULD BE THAT THERE IS A SLIGHT MORE GROWTH THAN WHAT I'M ANTICIPATING.
IT'S LOOKING GOOD SO FAR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, SO FINGERS CROSSED OUR REVENUES ARE HIGHER.
AND IN THAT CASE THAN THERE WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE
CARRIE, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I GUESS JUST HOW DO, HOW DO WE HANDLE THE, UM, THE NICHOLAS HARRIS INPUT, THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INPUT? HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT IN THE MEETING OTHER THAN HAVING, UM, UM, MADE MADE IT PUBLIC THAT IT WAS HERE, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD IMAGINE IF A BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO ADDRESS IT, IT COULD BE AGENDIZED FOR APRIL, BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.
AM I ACCURATE THERE? WELL, I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A COMMITTEE THAT IT SPARKED A QUESTION THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE ADDRESSED THAT'S RELATED TO THE, THE REPORT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE TO, TO GO AHEAD AND ASK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE, WE DIDN'T PREPARE ANY PARTICULAR SPEAKING POINTS ON ANY OF THE POINTS RAISED NECESSARILY, BUT WE DID SEE THE LETTER AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE.
I MEAN, WHO, WHO TECHNICALLY GETS BACK TO NICHOLAS HARRIS, UM, REGARDING THESE QUESTIONS.
I I MEAN, IT'S NOT, WELL, WELL, THIS WAS PROVIDED AS A PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH, WHICH ANYBODY IS, IS PERFECTLY ABLE TO DO.
UH, WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF POINT BY POINT EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT COMES IN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SPARKED YOUR INTEREST, WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS IT TONIGHT.
DID YOU READ ONE WORD QUESTION? GO AHEAD, ROSEMARY.
I KEEP WONDERING ABOUT THE PUBLIC RESTROOM THAT WE PAID FOR MANY YEARS AGO.
ANY UPDATES? SO THERE, THERE WAS SOME MEASURE U MONEY IN THAT PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT HAS, UM, KIND OF BOUNCED AROUND IN TERMS OF ITS FUNDING SOURCE.
SO OTHER THAN SOME VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK ON IT, UH, THERE HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANT MEASURE U MONEY SPENT TO DATE.
UM, WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD WITH THE NEXT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET THAT WILL BE COMING UP FOR 26, 27.
UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, SOME HICCUPS IN THAT PROJECT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE MANUFACTURER THAT WE WERE, THAT WE HAD SELECTED TO BUILD THE RESTROOM.
THEY, UH, HAD SOME ISSUES BEING COMPLIANT WITH THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE AND THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT STANDARDS, ET CETERA.
SO WE HAVE HAD TO KIND OF RETOOL THAT PROJECT AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS, UM, WHICH WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, BUT WE, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION AT THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, WORKSHOP FOR THAT PROJECT.
IF, IF WE COULD, UM, CARRIE, I JUST WANNA BE SURE YOUR QUESTION IS ANSWERED APPROPRIATELY.
DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THAT PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE BRIAN TO ADDRESS? UM, I, I DID READ IT.
UM, NOT, NOT MOST OF IT WAS ABOUT THE, THE MEASURE, THE INITIAL, UM, MEASURE
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YOU, BUT, UM, I GUESS IT GOES MORE TO STAFF IS THE WAY THEY WANT SOME THINGS WORDED.I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN, CAN SOLVE, BUT HE REALLY WANTS THINGS WORDED DIFFERENTLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT OR WHO READS IT, WHO, YEAH, I I THINK IT, IT'D BE REASONABLE, WE, WE COULD GO THROUGH AS STAFF AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON, IN TERMS OF THE EDITS THAT WERE YEAH.
AND IF THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE CLEAR, IF, IF WE'RE KIND OF IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEM, I THINK THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THOSE EDITS.
UM, YEAH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE RIGHT ON, ON THIS TO SEE WHICH ONES WOULD FIT IN WELL OR NOT.
UM, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND I'M SURE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THAT ARE VERY EASY TO INCORPORATE.
SCOTT, ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN ANSWERED A FEW TIMES, BUT I, BUT I'M A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT.
AND AL AND I JUST ALSO WANNA START WITH THAT.
AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I'M LIKE VERY HAPPY TO BE PAYING THIS TAX, I'D PAY MORE.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT FEEL THAT WAY.
UM, SO I JUST, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE 94% TO THE 6% AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROJECTED TO AT SOME POINT SORT OF READJUST AND THE 6% WILL GO HIGHER.
AND I GUESS I'M STILL LIKE A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THE EXACT FINE POINT OF WHY THAT IS.
SO I, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE ANSWERED THAT AND TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT I'M JUST HOPING TO PUT A FINER POINT TO IT ON WHAT WILL SWITCH IT AROUND IN 20 31, 20 32.
SO IT GOES BACK TO, UM, OUR, THE, THE RETIREMENT COSTS FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO CALPERS, IT GOES BACK TO THAT, UM, LARGELY, UM, THEY MADE A CHANGE IN THEIR CONTRIBUTION POLICY FOR ALL CALIFORNIA AGENCIES THAT BASICALLY THEY SAID THEY WANT ALL OF THE RETIREMENT LIABILITIES COMPLETELY FUNDED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND TO DO THAT, THAT MEANT THAT ALL OF THE CALIFORNIA AGENCIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN CALPERS WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A LOT MORE OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD TO OBTAIN THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED LEVEL.
AND SO IN 2017, WE STARTED OUR CONTRIBUTIONS REALLY RAMPED UP, AND THEN EVERY YEAR FOLLOWING, THEY HAVE RAMPED UP AND IT'S LIKE A BELL CURVE.
IT GOES UP, WE, WE CONTRIBUTE MORE AND MORE, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT STARTS TO GO DOWN.
AND SO, AND THAT'S OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD.
AND SO WHEN WE PULLED THIS 20 YEAR FORECAST TOGETHER, AND IT WASN'T INTENTIONALLY FOR RELATED TO CALPERS, WE JUST DID 20 YEARS, WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR OPERATING COSTS, WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN MEASURE U AND, AND, AND, UM, PLANNING HOW WE ARE GOING TO FINANCE ALL OF THIS, UM, TO MEET ALL THE NEEDS.
AND SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, GOING TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE, INITIALLY THERE WAS A LOT, RIGHT? AND NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO AND THEN IT WILL WIDEN BACK UP AND IT'LL BE MUCH MORE GOING TOWARDS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY, UM, IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, AFTER 2031 ISH.
AND SO, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, SO YOU WILL HAVE MET KIND OF THAT OBLIGATION OF CALPERS AT THAT POINT, OR, OR WE, WE WILL BASICALLY BE HALFWAY THROUGH THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD, AND THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS TO DECLINE.
SO IT GOES UP FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN IT GOES DOWN FOR 10 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AFTER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, WE'RE BASICALLY HAVING, WE'RE WE'RE, WE WOULD BASICALLY PAY ZERO IN OUR UNFUNDED LIABILITY, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, UM, TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MONEY
CORY, IF, IF I'M, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WASN'T IT DIDN'T PERS ALLOW 30 OR 40 YEARS PRIOR TO 2017 THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY COULD BE PAID OFF AMORTIZED OVER 30 OR 40 YEARS AND IN 17 THEY CHANGED IT TO 20 AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE'S CONTRIBUTIONS WENT UP.
BECAUSE THERE ISN'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN AGENCY IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAS, THAT'S SUPERFUND.
ALMOST ANY PUBLIC AGENCY THAT'S ON PERS RUNS AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SINCE, UM, 2000, WELL, WHEN, WHENEVER, UH, WE HAD PENSION REFORM AND WE WENT TO 3% AT 50 AND SO ON, IT DIDN'T TAKE, WHAT, THREE TO FOUR YEARS BEFORE EVERYONE WHO WAS SUPER FUNDED SUDDENLY FIND THEMSELVES WITH, AND I UNFUNDED LIABILITY.
AND, UM, THIS GOES BACK TO MY RANCHO DOBY FIRE DAYS.
I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD TO ADD A LITTLE ADDITIONAL,
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UM, BUT IT WAS AMORTIZED OVER A MUCH LONGER PERIOD MM-HMMSO IF IT'S NOW BEEN CHANGED FROM 40 YEARS OR 30 YEARS TO 20, CERTAINLY THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO PERS GOES UP.
SO I, I THINK A, AS CITIZENS, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH IS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IN FROM ZERO TO FIVE YEARS, 94% OF MEASURE U IS GOING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
AND IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, IT'S GONE FROM 6.4 TO ABOUT 7.2 OR 7.4 IS, IS THE AMOUNT THAT'S USED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND THEN THE BALANCE GOES TO THE WORKFORCE STABILIZATION.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING WHEN YOU'VE REALLY TOUCHED ON WHERE SOME OF THAT MONEY HAS GONE FOR PERSONNEL, PARKS, PARKS PEOPLE MM-HMM
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A PIECE OF SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE'S BEEN LONGING FOR.
WHO DID WE HIRE? DID WE HIRE PEOPLE THAT SIT BEHIND A DESK OR DO WE HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOWING LAWNS AND, AND, AND DOING THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE? AND THIS MEETING YOU TOUCHED ON THAT IT'S STILL THE 94% THAT GETS EVERYONE, UM, FIDGETING IN THEIR SEATS.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO CONTINUALLY HARP ON US AND REMIND US THAT FIRST OFF, WE GOT $20 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS DONE WITH THE BOND.
SO AMORTIZE THAT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THERE'S FOUR MORE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ROAD WORK THAT GOT FINISHED UPFRONT MM-HMM
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, KEEP REMINDING US OF THIS BELL CURVE AND REMIND US THAT THIS IS A PERS ISSUE.
IT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO, UM, UNTIL WE REACH THE TOP OF THAT BELL CURVE.
UM, MORE OF THIS IS GONNA GO MORE OF THE, OF MEASURE U IS GONNA GO TO THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE NOTES I WROTE WAS, OKAY, IF THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, WHEN DO WE PROJECT THAT MEASURE U ISN'T GONNA PROVIDE ANY EXTRA BENEFIT, BUT YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION, TALKED ABOUT THAT TWO YEARS AGO.
WE, WE'VE BEEN TALK, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOREVER.
CAN I ADD A COMMENT? I, I, I SECOND EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS SAID, YOU AND, AND THE COMMITTEE.
IF I COULD ASK, INSTEAD OF JUST BURYING THIS ADDITIONAL EXPLANATION OF THE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEAR AND ALL THAT, CAN YOU SEND THAT SEPARATELY TO US MM-HMM
AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SEND SEPARATELY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING TO ADD AS CLARIFICATION.
YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE IN ADVANCE OF WHEN THE FINAL FINAL IS OUT.
'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THE EL ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM UNTIL YOU PUT THAT IN AND THEN PEOPLE READING IT, I THINK WOULD BE SUPER IMPRESSED AND SAY, WOW, THE, THE 20 YEAR, THE 20 YEAR PROJECTIONS AVAILABLE FOR US, ISN'T IT? UM, YOU MEAN THE, THE FORECAST? YEAH, THE, YEAH, THE FORECAST.
AND, AND IT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO THE COMMITTEE, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYONE HAS SEEN IT.
BUT I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT.
WOULD EVERYONE LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT 20 YEAR FORECAST? UH, YES.
AND I THINK, UM, LIKE I SAID, I CAN PUT, I CAN JUST SNIP THE LITTLE CHART AND PUT IT INTO THE REPORT AND, UM, AND EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON, ON WHAT IT MEANS.
AND PERSONALLY, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A DETAILED, FULL EXPLANATION, YOU KNOW, IS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY IN GENERAL, WE'RE MEETING THAT EXPECTATION.
YOU COULD GIVE THE FULL EXPLANATION.
SOME, SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS, IS ENOUGH TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE MEETING IT AND, AND, AND BY THE WAY, AND THEN THAT COVERS IT STANDALONE IN HERE.
AND, AND I WOULDN'T IF IT, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT, I WOULD JUST SAY TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, FEW SENTENCES, SHOOT THAT OUT AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALL HELP BY SAYING, OH YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, ROSEMARY, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK, WHAT IS THE TERM ON THE BOND DEBT SERVICE? HOW MANY YEARS WILL THAT GO OUT? AM I ASKING THAT QUESTION? 20 YEAR.
SO A MILLION A YEAR FOR 20 YEARS.
AND IF YOU RECALL, WE QUESTIONED BRIAN LAST MEETING, OR TWO MEETINGS AGO ON, UH, ON UH, WHETHER IT WAS PRUDENT TO, UM, PAY THE BOND INTEREST OR DO PROJECTS AS WE HAD THE MONEY IN THE BANK.
AND THE CITY'S PROJECTION WAS THAT IT WAS BETTER OR RIGHT, EVEN TO GET THE JOB DONE NOW BASED ON INCREASED COSTS THAT THE COST OF MATERIALS, LABOR, ET CETERA, IT GOES UP A GREATER PERCENTAGE
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THAN THE SET BOND.ANY, ANYONE ELSE? I, I HAVE A LAST QUESTION I'LL JUST ASK LAST 'CAUSE IT'S INFORMATIONAL, SO I'LL WAIT UNTIL EVERYONE ELSE IS ASKED REAL QUICK.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, JACK, GO AHEAD.
UH, SO EITHER AS A CITIZEN OR AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, I HAVE A BIG INTEREST IN, IN ROADS FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THE LIST, LONG LIST OF ALL THE ITEMS, BUT I, I WANT, I WANT TO GO GET AN EXPLANATION.
SO JUST GIVE ME ADVICE, BRIAN, WHO'S THE BEST PERSON TO GO TO, TO ASK THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CONDITION OF ROADS IN PETALUMA, HOW MUCH OF THAT CONDITION AND THE FUTURE EXPENSE IS, IS FROM, UH, INADEQUATE, NOT IN ANY SPECIAL ORDER, BUT INADEQUATE ORIGINAL SPECIFICATION FOR THE SOIL CONDITIONS HERE.
LACK OF MAINTENANCE, WHICH CAUSED THE ROAD TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT COULDN'T BE REPLACED OR SOME FACTOR.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY GO, WHO'S THE BEST PERSON? SAVE ME, YOU KNOW, WHO'S THE BEST PERSON TO TALK TO.
SO JUST FOR TIME PURPOSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, CAN I ASK YOU TO MAYBE TAKE THAT OFFLINE TO BRIAN AFTER THE MEETING? SURE, SURE.
AND, AND THE VERY, VERY QUICK ANSWER IS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, WHO'S THE, WHO'S THE PERSON? THANKS.
SO, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT I HAD, UM, SO WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP PRIOR TO THE, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP ON THE 4TH OF MAY.
SO AFTER THAT MEETING OR DURING THAT MEETING, IF WE HAVE A REASON THAT WE FEEL THE COMMITTEE SHOULD SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ON BUDGET PRIORITIES, WE'LL HAVE TIME TO EITHER ASSIGN SOMEBODY OR DISCUSS WHAT A, WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS.
REMEMBER THAT IT IS NOT OUR PURVIEW TO TELL THE COUNCIL HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY.
IT'S OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS SPENT LEGALLY.
THAT'S, IT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE.
UM, WE ALL GET VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE IT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS AND IT'S OUR CITY.
BUT, UM, IF, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL, UM, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AT OUR APRIL MEETING.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A SERIOUS ISSUE, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE ASK THAT, THAT BE AGENDIZED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, STAFF, ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR, I HAVE ONE PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
SO IS, IS THIS CONSIDERED A DRAFT OR A PRE-FINAL OR, YOU KNOW, THE COPY? I JUST GOT THE FINAL.
SO, SO I SENT SOMETHING BY EMAIL ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD CALL A TYPO.
AND IT'S THE BACK I GOT WAS, UH, IT'S BEING ADDRESSED MM-HMM
SO IS THAT GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN A FINAL, FINAL OR IT'S ALREADY UPDATED AND, UM, POSTED TO OUR WEBSITE.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND, UM, DOWNLOADED, YOU'LL, THAT'S THE UPDATED VERSION.
SO THE ONE I HAVE REALLY IS A DRAFT.
IT'S NOT, IF YOU PRINT, IF YOU PRINTED THAT BEFORE THREE 30 YES.
BUT I AM HEARING SOME, UM, SOME OTHER CHANGES, RIGHT.
IN TERMS OF INSERTING THE CHART POTENTIALLY, AND THEN, UM, LOOKING THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER LITTLE TWEAKS AND THEN WE CAN GET THE FINAL BACK OUT.
DOES THAT MAKE COREY, IS THAT, AM I SUMMARIZING THAT? THAT'S FINE.
OR I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT INTO THE REPORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTED IN TWO MONTHS, SO OH, YEAH.
THAT, THAT PROBABLY IS, THAT WAS MY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
UM, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMITTEE.
UH, SO, SO JUST SPEAKING OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW, I, IF I'M OUT THERE IN THE CITY AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS REPORT AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT LATER, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I DIFFERENTIATE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, HOW DO I DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN, OH, THAT ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, AS OF FEBRUARY 15TH AND THIS ONE IS AS OF NOW, AND I PERSONALLY, MY OPINION IS THE DISCUSSION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDING THE WHOLE CHART, BUT A FEW SENTENCES EXPLAINING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THIS REPORT BE FINAL WITHOUT THOSE FEW SENTENCES.
YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I THINK THIS PERSON, AND I DON'T HAVE NO IDEA WHO HE IS.
'CAUSE NICHOLAS HARRIS HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO REALLY STUDYING MEASURE YOU.
AND WE HAVE ONE OF US, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, IF IT'S PROBABLY COREY, SORRY,
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NEEDS TO GET BACK TO HIM, I THINK ON, ON THIS.DO WE, IS THAT FAIR? I MEAN, UM, A ACTUALLY CARRIE, IF YOU NOTICE PUBLIC COMMENT AT ANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE ARE ELO ELOQUENT SPEAKERS WHO COME TAKE THEIR THREE MINUTES.
SOMETIMES THEY CAN HAVE SOMEBODY GIVE THEM ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
THE COUNCIL ABSORBS WHAT THEY'VE HAD TO SAY AND THEN THEY MOVE ON.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THIS THEN, NOT TYPICALLY IN A FORMAL WAY.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY INFORMALLY, UM, MR. HARRIS REGULARLY COMMENTS ON CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I HAVE HAD PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM WHEN HE'S BROUGHT QUESTIONS TO ME AS WELL AS SOME EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH.
SO THERE IS THAT MORE, UH, INFORMAL DIALOGUE, UH, WITH HIM FROM TIME TO TIME AS HE BRINGS THINGS TO OUR ATTENTION OR HAS QUESTIONS THAT HE'S TRYING TO CLARIFY.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE AVENUE.
UM, BUT, BUT TYPICALLY WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT, NO, WE DON'T KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GO LINE BY LINE AND ADDRESS EVERYTHING IN A FOLLOW UP, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF SORT OF WAY.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I DO THINK IS, AS, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE SUGGESTIONS FOR EDITS TO THE REPORT, I, I DO THINK WE CAN LOOK BACK THROUGH THOSE, UM, AND SEE IF THERE'S ALIGNMENT WITH THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE REPORT TO, TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE EDITS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE, UH, WITHOUT DOING A MORE THOROUGH REVIEW OF IT, MAYBE, MAYBE AS A SOLUTION, I'LL SUGGEST AT SOME POINT JUST SAY WE'VE ADDRESSED WHAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN, IN THAT PERSON'S COMMENTS.
UM, WE THAT BEFORE YOU ARRIVED, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'D RECEIVED IT.
SO IT'S ON, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
WELL, I'M THINKING, DO WE GO FURTHER NOT NECESSARILY EXPLAINING IT ALL, BUT YOU KNOW, AS A COMMITTEE, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, UH, IT WAS ADDRESSED OR WASN'T ADDRESSED, OR ARE THEY STILL ADDRESSING IT? SO THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, JUST SEND US A NOTE TO SAY, HEY, WE LOOKED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DID WHAT WE COULD.
IF I, IF, IF ONE OF US DO, WERE RUN INTO, YOU KNOW, MR. HARRIS, IT'D BE GOOD TO SAY THEY, THEY TOOK IT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SOME OF IT THEY WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS EVEN IF WE CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.
SO THAT'S A REQUEST IF THAT'S, THAT'S DOABLE.
STAFF COMMENT, ANYTHING FINAL? NO.
DO I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN OR DO I JUST ADJOURN? DO WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY? OH, EXCUSE ME.
PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'LL TEACH ME TO PUT MY AGENDA AWAY BEFORE I OKAY.
UM, SO YOU WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING NOW? YEAH.
THAT'S, AND HER NAME IS CHANTEL ROGERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND, UM, THANK YOU MEMBERS FOR BRINGING UP WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING ABOUT, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ROAD MONEY.
YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU ALL RECALL WHEN MEASURE U WAS BROUGHT UP, WE WERE TOLD THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA GET OUR ROADS FIXED.
WE HAVE THE WORST ROADS IN THE AREA.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SURE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE CITY IS JUST GONNA FALL APART AND BE BROKE AND WE'RE GOING OFF THE LEDGE IF WE DON'T DO THIS GENERAL, UH, FUND TAX, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY SKEPTICAL OF.
AND I THINK THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE EXACT REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY SKEPTICAL OF, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M PRETTY DARN SURE THAT PETALUMA WILL NEVER PASS A GENERAL TAX FUND.
UH, AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, THERE'S VERY LITTLE MONEY FROM THE TAX FUND THAT GOES TOWARDS ANY KIND OF ROAD REPAIR.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US, JOE BLOW, UH, VOTERS THOUGHT THAT, THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE OUT A $20 MILLION BOND TO FIX THE ROADS AS OPPOSED TO USING THE TAX MONEY TO FIX THE ROADS IN ADDITION TO THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS.
SO WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE IS WE SAID, WELL, OKAY, WE TOOK OUT THE BOND FUND FOR $20 MILLION.
NOW WE HAVE THE REST OF IT TO SPEND ON WHATEVER THE HECK THE CITY WANTS.
SO LET'S HIRE UP, LET'S REORGANIZE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS SO
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THAT WE, EVERYBODY'S GETTING PAID MORE MONEY.UM, THEY HAVE MONEY FOR ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
UM, MEANWHILE, IF YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE BROKE AGAIN, AND, AND WE HAVE A 1 CENT.
THAT'S THE MOST, I, I DON'T KNOW OF A CITY THAT HAS MORE THAN A 1 CENT.
A LOT OF 'EM HAVE NOTHING FOR THE GENERAL FUND TAX WISE.
A LOT OF 'EM HAVE HALF A CENT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE ONE AND WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK.
UM, WE, I MEAN, 6% I GET THE BOND OBLIGATION, THE, THE, UH, THE, UM, PENSION OBLIGATION.
BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S JUST A HUGE INCREASE.
AND, UM, AND WHILE THE, UM, PENSION COSTS MAY GO DOWN AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, THE STAFF COSTS ARE GONNA KEEP GOING UP.
UM, BENEFITS, HEALTH INSURANCE, WHATEVER BENNY'S WE WANNA GIVE THE CITY, THOSE ARE GONNA KEEP INCREASING.
SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS HUGE WINDFALL, WHICH WE CAN FINALLY, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SPEND ON ROADS, UM, SEEMS, UM, UNREALISTIC.
AND, UM, I, I, I JUST REALLY WISH IT WEREN'T SO THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? IF NOT, UM, AGAIN, BRIAN, DO I TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OR DO I ADJOURN? YOU ADDRESS THAT AT ALL.
IF YOU JUST WANNA GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS OR TAKE A MOTION, I THINK EITHER IS FINE.
WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 6 0 6.