* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. RUS, [00:00:05] GOOD EVENING [CALL TO ORDER] AND WELCOME TO THE 15TH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH, 2026. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK. AT THIS TIME, I'D ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLE. MACIAS HERE. KEARNEY HERE, MILLER? HERE. OSLER HERE. SULLIVAN HERE. NOW. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO LEAD THE COMMITTEE ON THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED OF AMERICA TO REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS NATION UNDER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE'RE NOW GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. I'LL JUST PUT A REMINDER AGAIN THAT THE, UM, AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS IS AN AGENDA ITEM. SO THERE'LL BE A SECTION LATER ON IN THE MEETING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT SPECIFICALLY. SO THIS IS FOR COMMENTS NOT ON THE AGENDA. UM, I ALSO WAS SORT OF ASKED TO SORT OF READ SOMETHING REALLY QUICK. I WANNA SET EXPECTATIONS FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSIONS. WE EXPECT PUBLIC COMMENT TO REMAIN CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL OF DIFFERING VIEWPOINTS. STRONG OPINIONS ARE WELCOME. DISRESPECT OR DISRUPTION IS NOT MAINTAINING DECORUM ENSURES THAT EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN CONTINUE TO COMPLETE ITS WORK. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK THE CLERK, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY GENERAL COMMENTS, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED 58 COMMENTS ON ITEM THREE, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE. THANK YOU. THEN I WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. OH, OKAY. NINA, GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? YES. THANK YOU. TIME MOVES SO FAST. SO MUCH GOING ON IN THE WORLD. 2026 AND COMING UP IN AUGUST IS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF PETALUMA'S. REALLY INTERESTING COMPUTER PREDATOR STING. AND I'M HOPING THIS IS ON THE CIVIC CALENDAR, UH, AS SOMETHING, UH, TO MANAGE, PERHAPS I, I SEE GREAT OPPORTUNITY AS THE EPSTEIN FILES ARE COMMANDING SO MUCH INTEREST. IT SHOWS THAT PETALUMA WAS KIND OF AT THE VANGUARD OF, OF HAVING, UH, DEEP AND ABIDING AND PRACTICAL AND ACTION ORIENTED CONCERN FOR UNDERAGE VICTIMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH IT, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND MAY I INVITE, UM, YOU EXPERTS TO REFLECT ON THIS? THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THEN AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. FIRST UP WILL [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] BE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF JANUARY 28TH, 2026. UM, I ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS. THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AND PRESENTED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, I MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA, [IPA COMMENT] WE HAVE OUR IPA COMMENT, A CALL ON THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY STATS. I'LL INTRODUCE DENISE LEWIS AND JEFF SCHLANGER FROM INTER THANK YOU CHAIR. AND, UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. [00:05:01] UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED OUR BIWEEKLY MEETINGS WITH COMMAND STAFF OVER THE LAST MONTH. WE HAVE CONTINUED OUR WORK ON THE ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WILL BE CIRCULATED TO THIS BODY, UH, BEFORE FINAL PUBLICATION. UH, WE CONTINUE OUR REVIEWS OF DESIGNATED INCIDENTS, UM, AND ARE IN THE MIDST OF COMPLETING OUR 2024 VERSUS 2025 RIPPA COMPARISON REPORT, WHICH WILL ALSO, UH, BE DISTRIBUTED TO THIS BODY. SO WITH THAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TURN IT OVER TO DENISE TO GIVE THE MONTHLY NUMBERS. THANK YOU, JEFF, AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, WHAT YOU LOOKING AT THERE IS LAST MONTH, UH, REPORT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2025. WE INCLUDED THAT WITH YOUR MATERIALS FOR REFERENCE. UM, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE A ANOTHER CHART THAT HAS JUST JANUARY IN IT SINCE WE'RE IN FEBRUARY NOW WE'LL BE REPORTING ON JANUARY NUMBERS. SO THAT'S THE REPORT I WILL BE SPEAKING TO. UM, WITH REGARD TO USES OF FORCE, THERE WERE 12 PENDING. SIMILAR TO LAST TO DECEMBER, THERE WERE FIVE NEW USE OF FORCE. TWO OF THOSE WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND ONE BY THE IPA WITH NO, UH, RE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION RESULTING FROM THAT REVIEW. WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS, THERE WERE THREE PR INCIDENTS PENDING REVIEW, ONE NEW PURSUIT IN JANUARY. UH, THERE WERE NONE THAT HAD COMPLETED, UH, ITS REVIEW BY THE DEPARTMENT AND NONE BY US DURING THE MONTH OF JANUARY. THEREFORE, NO, NO ACTION WAS NEEDED WITH REGARD TO COMPLAINTS, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. THERE WERE EIGHT PENDING INVESTIGATIONS WITH TWO NEW COMPLAINTS DURING THAT OCCURRED DURING JANUARY, OR WERE RECEIVED DURING JANUARY. UH, THREE WERE RE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND SIX WERE REVIEWED BY US, AND THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN CARRIED OVER FROM THE LAST, UH, PERIOD. AND THERE WERE NO NEEDED AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION WITH REGARD TO OUR REVIEW OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS. AND THAT'S OUR REPORT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT THERE'S NO AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION? JUST WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE? SO, SO THE, SORRY, GO AHEAD, JEFF. YEP. OKAY. I'M SORRY, DENISE. UM, OKAY. THE ACAS ARE, UH, ARE ACTION ITEMS WHICH COME OUT OF OUR REVIEWS WHEN NECESSARY. AND WHEN THERE ARE NO ACTION ITEMS, THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, WHICH COULD BE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO, UH, CONDUCT OR CIRCUMSTANCE IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, NEEDING OF ANY REMEDIATION IN ANY WAY. OR IT COULD BE THAT THE REMEDIATION HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE BY VIRTUE OF, UH, THE SUPERVISORY REVIEW, WHICH IS THE FIRST LINE SUPERVISORY REVIEW. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? SO HOW, HOW ABOUT WE CLARIFY IT THOUGH, FOR THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT BETTER? SO IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENS, THE FRONTLINE SUPERVISOR SAYS THE PERSON NEEDS TO REMEDIATE X, Y, AND Z TRAINING, RIGHT? AND THEN IT GOES TO AUDIT, AND JEFF AND DENISE LOOK AT THE CASE AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD'VE RECOMMEND ALREADY. SO THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION TO BE TAKEN. CORRECT, JEFF? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? THANK YOU JEFF AND DENISE. APPRECIATE THE REPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING [PRESENTATIONS] TO MOVE TO OUR FIRST AGENDAS ITEM. THIS WILL BE TO DISCUSS THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER. YOU'LL SOMETIMES HEAR US REFER TO THOSE AS APRS. THAT'S WHAT THAT STANDS FOR. UM, AND PROVIDE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON PETALUMA'S A LPR PROGRAM, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE COMMENTS ON PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER POLICY POLICY NUMBER 4 6 1. UM, I'M GOING TO READ A BRIEF STATEMENT THAT I PRINTED UP BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION, JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, TO THE, UM, TO THE MEAT OF THIS, UM, AGENDA IS ITEM. BEFORE WE BEGIN DISCUSSING ON THE A LPR PROGRAM AND THE FLOCK [00:10:01] CONTRACT, I WANNA BRIEFLY CLARIFY THE ROLE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU'LL HEAR IT CALLED PSAC SOMETIMES, AND WHAT WE ARE AND ARE NOT EMPOWERED TO DO. PS A C IS AN ADVISORY BODY. WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE, SUSPEND, OR CANCEL CITY CONTRACTS. THAT AUTHORITY RESTS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IN CERTAIN CASES, THE CITY MANAGER. WE ARE ALSO NOT AN OVERSIGHT BODY. OUR BO OUR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE ADVICE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC SAFETY POLICY THAT ARE OF INTEREST AND CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY. NEITHER THE CITY COUNCIL NOR THE PETAL LUA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, YOUR VOICES ARE BEING HEARD, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE REVIEWING THESE PROCEEDINGS, AND A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SITS ON THIS COMMITTEE PROVIDES YOU REGULAR UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO INFLUENCE FINAL DECISIONS TO ALSO ATTEND AND PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS HOLD THE AUTHORITY TO ACT WITH RESPECT TO A LPR TECHNOLOGY AND THE FLOCK CONTRACT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT INDEPENDENTLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO CANCEL A CITY CONTRACT OR DISCONTINUE A PROGRAM ON ITS OWN. OUR FOCUS AS A COMMITTEE IS TO REVIEW THE POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT GOVERNS HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY IS USED, EVALUATE WHETHER SAFEGUARDS ARE THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT, AND CONSIDER WHETHER RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL ARE WARRANTED. A FORMAL VOTE VOTE BY THIS COMMITTEE DOES NOT INCREASE THE LEGAL FORCE OF A RECOMMENDATION. IT SIMPLY SIGNALS WHETHER THIS COMMITTEE IS BROADLY ALIGNED IN ADVISING THE COUNCIL IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION. BASED ON MY INTERPRETATION OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING, IT IS MY INTENTION AS CHAIR AFTER CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT, TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON WHETHER THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE FLOCK CONTRACT EVALUATION OF ANY ALTERNATIVES FOR A LPR SERVICING OR CONSIDERATION OF TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION PENDING FURTHER STUDY. OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TRANSPARENCY, THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION AND CLARITY ABOUT WHETHER AN ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. NOW, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION ITEM BY INTRODUCING THE TOPIC, INVITING CHIEF MILLER AND COMMAND STAFF TO SPEAK AND PRESENT THE ITEM. UH, ONE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY RE REVIEWED THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ON THIS TOPIC MULTIPLE TIMES. SO I WOULD GIVE CHIEF AND CITY STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE, UM, PRESENTATION AGAIN THAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN. UM, IF ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAS NOT SEEN THE PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY STAFF AND POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE POLICE'S, UH, AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER POLICY, IT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET FOR THIS MEETING. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DOWNLOAD IT, READ IT, UM, AND LET US, UH, KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. BUT, AND NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP TO CHIEF MILLER AND CITY STAFF TO, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE. YEAH, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, I THINK WE INTEND TO BE RELATIVELY BRIEF TONIGHT, UM, AND SUBMIT GENERALLY THE, UH, THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE, UH, THE AGENDA PACKET. UM, AND, AND BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE THIRD, UH, MEETING THAT WE WILL HAVE BEEN, UH, BEFORE THE COMMITTEE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAM. UM, AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE IN OCTOBER, AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT WAS ALSO THE FIRST MONTH IN WHICH THE, UH, FIXED APRS, THE FLOCK CAMERAS, UM, FOR PETALUMA WERE ACTUALLY BEING TURNED ON. WE HAD BEEN IN THE, THE, UH, PROJECT OVER THE LAST YEAR OF, UM, THROUGH THE, THE, UM, GRANT FUNDING AND APPLICATION PERIOD OF THE YEAR PRIOR WAITING FOR THOSE TO BE INSTALLED AND ACTIVATED. UM, AND SO THOSE PORTION WERE RELATIVELY NEW, UM, TO US. AND SO, UM, WHILE OUR A LPR PROGRAM IS LONGSTANDING AND, AND OVER 20 YEARS IN EXISTENCE, UM, AND NOT A NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR US, THOSE FIXED A LPRS AT THAT MOMENT. WERE RELATIVELY NEW. AND SO WE HAVE APPRECIATED THE EVOLUTION OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMITTEE. UM, AND SO THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS CONVERSATION, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN SOME COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE AND I THINK SOME MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE, UM, AND A LOT OF NATIONAL AND, AND REGIONAL AND STATEWIDE CONVERSATION CLEARLY, UM, WHICH WE'VE APPRECIATED. AND, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE, UM, BENEFITED FROM THAT. AND WE'VE SEEN SOME, UM, UM, CHANGES THAT HAVE, UH, ASSISTED, UH, AS WELL AS HOW HOW WE'VE MANAGED OUR PROGRAM. I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE ATTEMPTED IN THE, THE MOST RECENT STAFF REPORT TO, UM, BOTH REAFFIRM, UM, WHAT WE'VE APPRECIATED [00:15:01] IN OUR PROGRAM IS THAT, UM, WE'VE CONTINUED TO MODEL WHAT WE FEEL IS, IS BEST PRACTICES IN OUR PROGRAM, UH, CONSISTENTLY THROUGH WHEN WE ADOPTED IN 2005, UH, THAT WE, UH, MODEL, UM, BEST PRACTICES IN THAT PROGRAM. WE SHOW APPROPRIATE USE. UM, WE FEEL THAT WE USE TRANSPARENT USE. WE'VE, UH, SINCE THAT OCTOBER MEETING, HAVE IMPLEMENTED A DEDICATED WEBSITE PAGE, A TRANSPARENCY PAGE THAT SHOWS WHICH AGENCIES WE'RE SHARING WITH WHAT THE PROHIBITED USES ARE, HAS A LINK TO OUR, UH, POLICY MANUAL, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN UPDATED SPECIFICALLY, UM, TO, UH, SHOW AND, AND BE SPECIFIC TO THE FLOCK USAGE, UM, FUNCTIONALITY. AS WELL AS, UM, THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN HOW FLOCK'S, UM, FUNCTIONALITY HAS BEEN, UM, BEEN USED. AND THE FUNCTIONALITY WITHIN THE SYSTEM ITSELF IN THE LAST YEAR, THEY AS, AS, UH, A, A, UH, ORGANIZATION HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES WITHIN THE SOFT SOFTWARE PLATFORM AS A RESULT OF MANY OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO THE STAFF REPORT REFLECTS SOME OF THOSE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES, MANY OF THOSE WHICH PREDATE OUR IMPLEMENTATION. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, THERE WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STRUCTURAL CHANGE IN HOW THE SEARCH CATEGORIES ARE CONDUCTED, AS WELL AS THE TALKS TO HOW THEY DISABLED. UM, THIS OUT OF STATE SHARING THAT IS OF, OF, UH, QUITE A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC CONCERN, UM, WHERE MANY AGENCIES AS YOU ARE SEEING, UM, PRIOR TO THAT POINT, HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES IN SOME CHALLENGING SITUATIONS AND PRAS AND AUDITS WHERE THEY UNKNOWINGLY HAVE BEEN SHARING WITH OUTTA STATE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE OF THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THEIR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE PLATFORM, OR, UM, MAYBE INADVERTENTLY SETTING IT UP BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD SET IT UP TO THAT DEGREE. UH, NOW IF YOU'RE A CALIFORNIA AGENCY, BY DEFAULT, THEY RECOGNIZE STATUTORILY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO THE SYSTEM IS SET UP SO THAT YOU CAN'T INADVERTENTLY OR UNKNOWINGLY SET IT UP THAT WAY. AND FLOCK RECOGNIZES THAT THEY HAVE AS MUCH OF A VESTED ENT AS TO ENSURE THAT A CALIFORNIA AGENCY IS LAWFULLY COMPLIANT AS WE HAVE A VESTED ENT INTEREST IN ENSURING THAT WE ARE ALSO LAWFULLY COMPLIANT. AND SO I THINK THAT IS A SHIFT WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND MANY TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES, I THINK THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS WANTING TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY THAT SERVES A PURPOSE, NOT RECOGNIZING THAT THEY ALSO SHOULD BE STEWARDS OF RESPONSIBLE AND ETHICAL USE. AND, UH, THEY, THEY SEEM TO BE RECOGNIZING THAT THEY HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT AND NEED TO BE A PARTNER IN THAT. UM, AND, UH, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT MAYBE IT'S COMING AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT NONETHELESS, IT, IT'S, IT'S WHERE IT IS AT THE MOMENT. UM, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE, UM, REALLY COMPREHENSIVE AND MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE WITH THEIR, UM, LEGAL DEPARTMENT DEPUTY, UH, CITY ATTORNEY JORDAN GREEN'S ON REMOTELY TONIGHT. SHE HAS AN ILL CHILD OR OTHER, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, WENDY DOWS IN HER PLACE. BUT JORDAN HAS BEEN BEEN MAKING, UM, STRUCTURAL, UM, CONTRACTUAL CHANGES AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE TERMS AND CON CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT OF ITSELF TO ENSURE AND HIGHLIGHT AND GIVE, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, CLARITY THAT, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE RETAIN AND HAVE COMPLETE OWNERSHIP OF OUR DATA. UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CONCERN AND A QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP. THEY HAVE STATED THAT PUBLICLY AND SPECIFICALLY, AND WE HAVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS TO THAT POINT, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, INDICATED AND GIVEN US DRAFT REVISIONS IN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S, BEEN, UM, WORKING ON THE RED LINE, UM, TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, UH, GIVE AN AMENDED CONTRACT THAT GIVES THAT SPECIFIC CLARITY. AND WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH REVISIONS TO THAT POINT, WHICH, UH, I'M GRATEFUL FOR. UM, WE ALSO, IN, IN FOLLOWING THE LAST MEETING FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, UM, WE'RE MADE AWARE OF THE EL CAJON LITIGATION. UM, AND FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, DEACTIVATED EL CAJON FROM OUR SHARING PLATFORM, UM, I ALSO HAD A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION WITH FLOCK REPRESENTATIVES OF LIKE, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING CALIFORNIA AGENCIES TO SHARE WITH AN AGENCY [00:20:01] AND WHY IS A CALIFORNIA AGENCY BEING ALLOWED TO SHARE OUT OF STATE? UM, AND SO THAT WAS APPARENTLY A SHARING AGREEMENT THAT PREDATED, UM, THE, THE SETUP. AND SO BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVE LITIGATION AND THE INTERPRETATION THERE, THEY, THAT'S THE, THE SINGULAR AGENCY. AND SO BECAUSE IT'S A DISPUTED CASE, THAT'S WHY IT'S APPARENTLY IN PLACE. BUT, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY AGENCY IN THE STATE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON WAYS AND THEY'RE WORKING ON WAYS TO HELP GIVE AGENCIES BETTER CLARITY TO IDENTIFY SO THAT WE CAN SELF-MONITOR AND ALSO IDENTIFY AND GO THROUGH OUR SHARING AGREEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ESSENTIALLY POLICE THE, THE AGENCIES THAT WE, UM, WANNA IDENTIFY AND SHARE WITH SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE IN GOING THROUGH THOSE AND MONITOR, UM, AND, AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMITMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN THOSE COMMITMENTS TO. SO I THINK WHAT ESSENTIALLY I'M TRYING TO SUMMARIZE IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE ON OUR END AND, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR POLICIES AND PRACTICES. AND, UH, IT'S AN EVOLUTION AND IT'S BEEN AN EVOLUTION THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT, UM, IF ANYTHING THAT YOU HOPEFULLY KNOW FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR DEPARTMENT IS WE'RE, UM, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM OUR, OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND CONTINUOUS LEARNING. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ABOUT. SO I WANNA AFFORD THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMENT AND DIALOGUE. SO I'LL LEAVE IT THERE AND ASK IF MAYBE THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT MY STAFF AND I CAN, CAN OFFER. THANK YOU CHIEF MILLER. APPRECIATE THAT. UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CLERK TO READ PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY ARE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING. A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. OKAY. LET'S GET STARTED. UH, ROBIN RILEY. TWO MINUTES EACH. UH, SORRY, ROBIN, ONE SEC. BEFORE WE START, HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE GIVING FOR EACH SPEAKER? THAT IS UP TO, YOU CAN DO THREE MINUTES. IT'S YOUR DISCRETION. YOU WANNA DO IT LESS? LET'S, LET'S DO TWO MINUTES EACH. TWO MINUTES EACH. OKAY. SWITCH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OKAY, ROBIN, ALL YOURS. ALRIGHT. HELLO, CHAIR MILLER AND COM. HELLO, CHAIR MILLER AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS CHIEF MILLER AND CITY STAFF. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMUNITY SERVICE. MY NAME IS ROBIN RILEY. I'VE BEEN A COM PETALUMA RESIDENT FOR 10 YEARS, HAVE SERVED ON MULTIPLE MUNICIPAL COMMITTEES AND WEAR MANY HATS, INCLUDING AS A VOLUNTEER CHAPTER LEADER WITH THE A CLU SONOMA COUNTY, UH, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CHAPTER. THIS ISSUE IS PERSONAL, UH, AS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TARGETING PEOPLE OF COLOR, IMMIGRANTS AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE. I'M TRANS. I'VE ALREADY LOST RIGHTS IN THE LAST YEAR. AND THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE DROPPED THE POLICY THAT FORBADE THEM FROM SURVEILLING PEOPLE SOLELY ON THE BASIS OF THEIR IDENTITY, WHETHER THAT BE RACE, ETHNICITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR GENDER. I FEAR FOR MY NEIGHBORS AND FOR MYSELF. THIS CONTEXT REALLY, REALLY MATTERS. I WANNA MAKE TWO KEY POINTS. FIRST, UH, REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY, THANK YOU FOR CEASING DATA SHARING WITH EL CAJON. AFTER I POINTED THAT RELATIONSHIP OUT, UH, THIS MORNING, I EMAILED A LIST OF ANOTHER 40 AGENCIES OUT OF THE 280 THAT PPD SHARES DATA WITH THAT ARE KNOWN TO HAVE VIOLATED SB 34. BUT I HAVE TO ASK, WHY SHOULD [00:25:01] WE BE PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE? SHOULDN'T WE HAVE DONE BETTER IN ROLLING THIS OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE? NOW, PETALUMA ALSO SHARES DATA WITH THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER, ONE IN A NETWORK OF FUSION CENTERS, WHICH LINK FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT SQUARES WITH STATE LAW AT ALL. AND EVEN IF IT DOES FACIALLY, THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE LAW IS BEING FOLLOWED IN THAT CENTER WHEN WE KNOW THAT VIOLATION OF DATA SHARING LAWS IS ENDEMIC, LAWS AND POLICIES ARE NOT SELF-EXECUTING AND THE ABUSE OF FLOCK IS WIDESPREAD. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE SUPPORT OR EVEN TRUST PPD. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD TRUST A SYSTEM THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IS FAILING US. SECOND, I WANNA SAY THAT DATA SHOULD NEVER EVER BE CONSIDERED IN ISOLATION. WE LIVE IN THE AGE OF CORPORATE AND STATE SURVEILLANCE DATA BROKERS AND DATA BREACHES. DATA IS CROSS-REFERENCED ALL THE TIME. EVERY ADDITIONAL DATA POINT AND DATA STREAM TIGHTENS THE DRAGNET AND THE 1940S. IBM EMPOWERED THE NAZIS. WE LIVE. UH, NOW IN THE US WE HAVE A SURVEILLANCE DRAGNET THAT VIOLENT AUTHORITARIANS OF THE PAST WOULD, COULD ONLY HAVE DREAMED OF. AND WE ALREADY KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ABUSING IT. THESE CAMERAS HELP AND ABUSIVE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IS FULL OF NEO-NAZIS. TO QUOTE BENJAMIN FRALIN, THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY. THESE CAMERAS ARE NOT JUST DANGEROUS, THEY'RE UN-AMERICAN. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ERIC LELAND. WE JUST HAVE A FEW MINUTES FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR THE TIMER. THANK YOU. SURE. GO AHEAD ERIC. SURE. ERIC, GO AHEAD AND COME UP AND BE YOU READY. SURE. IN THE MEANTIME, IF I MAY, UM, YES, GO AHEAD. UH, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THE CLERK IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS AND PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. AND I WOULD ALSO, UM, OFFER THAT YOU MAY WANT TO ADVISE THOSE WHO ARE HERE, UM, TO, UM, ABOUT THEIR DEMEANOR AND DISRUPTION. UH, IT'S GONNA EXTEND THE MEETING QUITE A BIT. YOU GUYS HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO MEET IF WE HAVE CLAPPING AFTER EVERY COMMENT. OKAY. AND SO TYPICALLY THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. UH, YES, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE MORE TIME WE SPEND CLAPPING AND CELEBRATING AFTER EVERY SPEAKER, THE LESS TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE WORK AND THE LESS SPEAKERS THAT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET UP AND SPEAK. SO I'M, I'M 100% DON'T WANT TO SQUELCH ANYONE'S, UM, RIGHT TO SPEAK AND GET UP AT THAT DAIS AND SAY SOMETHING. I RECOGNIZE HOW HARD THAT IS TO GET UP AND SPEAK. AND SO I WANNA AFFORD EVERYBODY THE TIME TO BE HEARD BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LISTENING. AND SO I THINK TO DO THAT, WE JUST GOTTA KEEP THE CELEBRATIONS, UM, TO A MINIMUM IF WE COULD. UM, AND YES, UH, ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE WRITTEN COMMENTS, UM, THOSE WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING, WATCHING ONLINE, OR IF YOU ARE, IF YOU HAD A WRITTEN COMMENT, UH, PLEASE KNOW THAT THOSE ALL DO GET WRITTEN, GET PUT INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORD. AND I KNOW THAT I, AND I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE DO READ ALL OF THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS AS WELL. SO THEY, YOUR VOICE IS DEFINITELY HEARD. WE ARE HERE TO LISTEN TO AND REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. AM I STILL STALLING? YES, . SORRY, ERIC, IT'S ONE MINUTE. NO WORRIES. YEAH, I MAYBE WE CAN JUST SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE, WE WILL RUN IT FROM THREE MINUTES DOWN AND THAT WHEN IT GETS TO ONE MINUTE, WE WILL PROMPT THE CHAIR AND WE APOLOGIZE. WE JUST WILL INTERRUPT YOU. SO WE, WE PROBABLY WE'RE NOT BEING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL FOR THE INTERRUPTION, BUT WE'LL JUST CONTINUE FOR SAKE OF TIME. OKAY. ERIC, GO AHEAD. [00:30:01] GREAT. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, MY, MY NAME IS ERIC LELAND. I'M, UH, I SERVED ON THE AD HOC COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDED FORMING THIS TERRIFIC PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME HERE AND ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCONTINUE, FLOCK, AND ESTABLISH A SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY POLICY. NOT MERELY BRING UP THE TOPICS, BUT ACTUALLY RECOMMEND AS THIS BODY TO DISCONTINUE FLOCK. UM, JUST YESTERDAY, THE CITY OF MOUNTAIN VIEW VOTED A UNANIMOUSLY TO REMOVE FLOCK. THIS HAPPENED YESTERDAY. FLOCK HAS ENABLED A SEARCH FEATURE WITHIN THE CITY WITHOUT THE CITY'S AUTHORIZATION, ALLOWING AT LEAST FOUR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO ACCESS THE DATA. MORE THAN 30 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ALSO TERMINATED FLOCK FOR SIMILAR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. SO THE QUESTION ARISES, DOES PETALUMA EXPOSE FLOCK DATA TO FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT? THE ANSWER IS ACTUALLY, YES. THROUGH INTERMEDIARY AGENCIES, PETALUMA SHARES FLOCK DATA WITH OVER 160 STATE AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER. THE CENTER QUOTE CONNECTS THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES IN OUR REGION TO EACH OTHER AND TO THE NATION VIA SEAMLESS INTEGRATION. AS ROBIN SAID, JUST BEFORE ME, 40 OF THE 160 AGENCIES WE SHARE HAVE THEMSELVES SHARED DATA OUTOF STATE AGENCIES IN VIOLATION OF CALIFORNIA LAW, SB 34. WHETHER BY MISTAKE OR THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN, WE CANNOT ADEQUATELY PROTECT INFORMATION GATHERED BY NETWORKED AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. LET'S GET THE FLOCK OUTTA PETALUMA. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS AUTUMN CRUZ. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS. UM, I WANNA ECHO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID. I'M, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO GET FLOCK OUT OF PETALUMA. AND IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I THINK THE INTENTIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE. I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND THEY HAVE THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, BUT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP, IT JUST CANNOT BE SECURE. UM, AND I'VE APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S JOB HARDER, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT IS THE NATURE OF AMERICA, GIVEN THE FIRST FIVE AMENDMENTS, OR SORRY, FIVE OR SIX AMENDMENTS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS ARE ALL ABOUT MAKING POLICING HARDER IN THIS COUNTRY IN ORDER TO KEEP FREEDOM. UM, SO I THINK FLOCK GOES AGAINST THAT. THANKS. NEXT UP IS ALEX MENSING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S ALEX MENSING. I LIVED HERE IN, I LIVE HERE IN PETALUMA. UM, AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS BE REMOVED AND THE CONTRACT BE CANCELED. UM, I DID HUMANITARIAN AID WORK ON THE BORDER FOR A WHILE, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT ACTIVITY, UM, WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY OPENED A DOSSIER ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTIVISTS AND REPORTERS. UM, AND WE HAD TO END UP SUING THEM OVER VIOLATIONS OF COLLECTING AND STORING INFORMATION ON OUR FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED RIGHTS. UM, AND THEY HAD HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PAGES ON ME, AND THAT I INCLUDED COLLECTING INFORMATION ON MY VEHICLE AND MY FAMILY MEMBERS. AND, UM, I THINK THAT WITH AN INCREASE IN THE CRIMINALIZATION OF PROTEST IN THIS COUNTRY, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T, UH, FACILITATE A SURVEILLANCE STATE THAT IS GOING TO, UM, UH, TAKE, UH, REPRISALS ON PEOPLE. UM, AND THAT IT INCLUDE, AS A RESULT OF THAT, A LOT OF US, I WAS SENT TO SECONDARY INSPECTION MORE THAN 40 TIMES AND INTERROGATED IN A CELL ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. UH, THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ISAAC RUSSO. UM, ONE MINUTE BEFORE WE START, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS SET. OH, OKAY. OKAY. GO. AM I GOOD TO GO? OKAY. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR MILLER, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ISAAC RUSSO. I'M A RESIDENT AT DISTRICT SIX. I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. SO I'M HERE TO ADD MY VOICE TO THE CHORUS AND URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL FLOCK CAMERAS FROM PETALUMA AND CANCEL OUR CONTRACT. AND I WON'T WASTE TIME REITERATING THE GREAT POINTS MADE BY OTHERS HERE. BUT I DO WANT TO RAISE ONE OTHER CONCERN. UH, IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, A DIGITAL SECURITY CONSULTANT, JOHN GAINES, RELEASED A COMPREHENSIVE WHITE PAPER ON THE SECURITY VULNERABILITIES OF FLOCK. UM, HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES FOUND 51 SECURITY ISSUES SUMMARY AS SIMPLE AS PRESSING A BUTTON ON THE BACK OF THE CAMERA, ALLOWING YOU A WIFI ACCESS TO THE CAMERA AND ITS CONTENTS. UM, THE RESPONSE ON FLAX WEBSITE TO THE WHITE PAPER READS IN PART, UM, OVERALL, NONE OF THE VULNERABILITIES DETAILED IN THE REPORT HAVE AN IMPACT ON [00:35:01] OUR CUSTOMER'S ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY OBJECTIVES. EXPLOITATION OF THESE VULNERABILITIES WOULD NOT ONLY REQUIRE PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE DEVICE, BUT ALSO REQUIRE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE INTERNAL DEVICE HARDWARE. THESE DEVICES ARE OUT IN PUBLIC, SO PHYSICAL ACCESS IS NOT A BARRIER. THEIR MESSAGE SEEMS TO BE IT'S FINE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, TRUST US. SO, UM, I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER, WHICH MAY SHARE DATA WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, INCLUDING ICE AND OTHER COLLABORATING AGENCIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT UP IS REBECCA CARPENTER. GOOD EVENING. I'M REBECCA CARPENTER. I'M A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA. UH, TWICE I'VE HAD THE POLICE KNOCK ON MY DOOR AND ASK TO USE MY RING CAMERA THINKING I'M A GOOD CITIZEN. I SAID, ALL RIGHT, AND GAVE THEM ACCESS TO MY RING CAMERA. AND THEY'VE TAKEN PICTURES AND SUCH THAT THEY NEED IT, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND WE LIVE IN A LAWLESS TIME. I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECUR, IS ACTIVELY TEACHING RECRUITS TO DISOBEY THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH I FIND VERY, VERY, VERY DISTURBING. AND I CARE ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS. I'M WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS. IT'S ALL VERY UPSETTING. I CAN'T BE A PART OF THIS AT ALL. I'VE HEARD TERRIBLE STORIES. I'LL SPARE YOU ALL THE TIME. BUT, UM, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I CANCELED MY RING SUBSCRIPTION. I CAN'T BE A PART OF THIS ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON. PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU CAN MAKE A CONTRACT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT, OTHER AGENCIES, WHOEVER, THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE CONTRACT, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE SYSTEM AND TAKE INFORMATION ANYWAY, SO I JUST CAN'T BE A PART OF IT. SO I'M ASKING THE COMMITTEE HERE TO PLEASE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE CANCEL THE FLOCK CONTRACT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE FREEDOM AND FREEDOM FOR MY NEIGHBORS THAN SAFETY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS NICHOLAS HUGGINS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS HUGGINS, AND I'M A RECENT, UH, RESIDENT HERE IN PETALUMA. AND I'M ALSO, UH, THE IT DIRECTOR FOR THE FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER, WHICH INCLUDES SONOMA COUNTY. AND SO I HAVE SEEN DATA BEING SHARED AMONGST LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS WITH THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY, AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEY BE TAKEN DOWN. UM, IT'S VERY EASY TO BRING UP MANY ARTICLES, ONE WITH THE TITLE HERE, 30 SECONDS WITH A STICK. RESEARCHERS CLAIM FLOCK CAMERAS ARE EASY TO HACK, HAVE SIGNIFICANT SECURITY VULNERABILITIES. YOU CAN GO ON YOUTUBE. THERE'S VIDEOS THAT SHOW YOU HOW TO HACK THESE CAMERA SYSTEMS IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THEY HAVE HACKED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM. UM, IT'S A DATA PRIVACY, UH, DISASTER. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE POINT. UH, ANOTHER, UH, INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THE DATA PRIVACY IS THIS INFORMATION SEEMS TO BE OF PUBLIC RECORD. ANYONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO, ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLES I'VE READ IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, REQUEST FLOCK CAMERA DATA AND RECEIVE IT, WHICH PRESENTS A VERY DANGEROUS SCENARIO FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS BEING STALKED OR IS AND, AND HAS SECURITY CONCERNS. ALL OF THAT DATA CAN BE OBTAINED THROUGH PUBLIC RECORD. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THERE'S THE ACCURACY CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE, WITH THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM. AND THE AI SYSTEMS USED TO TRY TO CORRECTLY IDENTIFY A LICENSE PLATE. IT, IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE THE CAMERA SYSTEM HAS INCORRECTLY, UH, MISIDENTIFIED A LICENSE PLATE AND RESULTED IN WRONGFUL ARREST AND, AND VIOLENCE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THANK YOU, NICHOLAS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF NOW. NEXT UP IS LUIGI PET. LUIGI PET. HELLO. THANK YOU, UH, TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, THANK [00:40:01] YOU MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR BEING HERE AND EXPRESSING CONCERN. I THINK I'M HEARING PRETTY UNANIMOUS VOICES. UM, THANK YOU TO MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR, UH, DOING YOUR BEST ON THIS ISSUE. UM, I'LL START WITH THE SUPER BOWL AD BY THE, UH, WAS IT RING CAMERAS TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK CUTE TO FIND YOUR PETS USING THE UNIVERSAL SURVEILLANCE NETWORK? AND EVERY CHILD WANTS THAT, BUT EVERY ADULT KNOWS. EXCUSE ME. EVERY ADULT KNOWS THAT PALANTIR CORPORATION IS MAKING MAPS THAT SHOW LIKE DOTS ON A MAP OF PEOPLE WHO ICE CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT AGAINST. AND ICE ARE LAWLESS. THERE ARE LAWLESS FORCE, LAWLESS FORCE MEN IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE CALLED. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY SHOWED UP TO THE DOOR OF, UH, MAHMUD KHALIL AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, AND THEY SAID, UH, YOUR VISA'S BEEN REVOKED. HE SAID, I'M NOT ON A VISA, I'M ON A GREEN CARD. THEY SAID, WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'RE TAKING YOU. SO THAT IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND THEY GIVE YOU A BAD NAME. ALL OF YOU, UM, MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM IN THIS ROOM. AND, AND, AND, AND SO, UM, IT'S NOT, IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF WHEN, UH, WILL, WILL A TYRANT MAKE USE OF SUCH A UBIQUITOUS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM? IN THIS CASE, IT'S A MATTER OF THEY WILL MAKE USE OF, OF WE, I, I'M JUST ILLUSTRATING HOW THEY ARE MAKING USE OF SURVEILLANCE TO NAB PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGALLY HERE, WHO HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. UM, AND, UH, SO IT'S ABOUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE CITY OF MOUNTAIN VIEW IS FAR FROM A HIPPIE TOWN. AND THEY ARE SAYING, NO, WE CAN'T HANDLE THIS LIABILITY. WE CAN'T DO THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UH, FLOCK CAMERAS CAN BE HACKED. YOU CAN GO ON YOUTUBE AND FIND SOMEBODY FILMING THEMSELVES AND POSTING IT TO YOUTUBE. NEXT UP, WE HAVE REVELLE MAST. HELLO EVERYBODY. UH, MY NAME IS VE MAST. UM, YOU CAN REFER TO ME BY SHE OR THEY. UM, I AM HERE TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL FLOCK CAMERAS, UM, THAT WE TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, WE AGENDA STUDY SESSIONS ON THE SURVEILLANCE TECH LIKE THIS, UM, AND ADOPT, UH, SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE. I AM GOING TO, I HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING ON THIS ISSUE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. UM, I'M A, I'VE LIVED IN PENDULUM THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE. I REMEMBER WHEN THE A LPR SYSTEMS FIRST WENT IN, I WAS A KID IT FOR THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT. UM, AND WHILE YOU SAY THAT IT IS NOT A NEW TECHNOLOGY, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS, IT IS USING AI TO TRACK ALL OF OUR MOVEMENTS IN A WAY THAT THE PARKING ONES WERE NOT. UM, SO MANY SAFETY ISSUES, LEGAL RISK, UH, AN UNTRUSTWORTHY CORPORATION. UH, THEY SAY THEY'RE NOT SURVEILLANCE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS. UM, AND FINALLY, I JUST, MY FRIEND CAME IN LATE AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE, UM, GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SPEAK, UM, IF THEY WERE REFUSED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, NEXT UP WE HAVE MICHAEL . HEY, EVERYBODY. UM, MY NAME'S MICHAEL. UM, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE REMOVE A LPR CAMERAS. UM, HONESTLY, NOT JUST FLOCK A LPR CAMERAS IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY FLOCK. UM, I HAVE A CONFLICTING COMMUNITY MEETING TONIGHT, BUT I CAN'T STAY, SO I CAN'T STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING. BUT I WANTED TO BE HERE FOR THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, I DRIVE THROUGH PETALUMA EVERY DAY, AND I FEEL THESE CAMERAS REALLY VIOLATE OUR PRIVACY. WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR TRUST, NOT ONLY IN PETALUMA POLICE, BUT IN POLICE AGENCIES AROUND CALIFORNIA, WHICH CAN CHANGE ALL THE TIME. UM, AND IN FLOCK AS A COMPANY, WHICH HAS ALREADY PROVED TO BE UNCLEAR AND DISHONEST ABOUT MANY OF ITS PRACTICES, UM, AND THE SECURITY OF THE PLATFORM, WHICH REALLY SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT MUCH. WHILE I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TRUST EVERY PETALUMA POLICE OFFICER WITH OUR DATA, I REALLY CAN'T SAY THAT IN GOOD FAITH. UM, I WAS OVER BY THE, UM, OVERPASS A COUPLE FRIDAYS AGO, UM, JOINING [00:45:01] FOLKS FOR A PROTEST. AND I NOTICED SOME OFFICERS ARRESTING SOMEONE. SO I STARTED FILMING, AND, UM, AT A CERTAIN POINT, ONE OF THE PETALUMA POLICE OFFICERS, UH, TURNED TO ME AND HE SAID THIS, AND IT VIOLATED MY TRUST A LITTLE BIT. THESE PEOPLE ORGANIZE FROM NOT EVEN PETALUMA. SO THEY COME HERE AND CREATE ISSUES FOR PETALUMA, LIKE YOU AND FOR US. PETALUMA POLICE, WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? PROBABLY NOT EVEN HERE, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BRIDGE, BUT YOU'RE CREATING ISSUES FOR REAL PETAL LUMENS. SO I'M REALLY GLAD THIS IS ON CAMERA. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS MEANT BY REAL PETAL LUMENS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS MEANT BY, I WAS CREATING PROBLEMS BY JUST STANDING THERE AND FILMING. BUT IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR OUR ABILITY TO PRACTICE FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITIES WITHOUT BEING SURVEILLED, WITHOUT BEING RETALIATED AGAINST. AND, UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT OFFICERS MISUSING THIS, THIS DATA AGAINST PEOPLE. UM, WE SHOULDN'T PROVIDE THIS MUCH OF OUR LOCATION INFORMATION TO THE POLICE IF THE TRUST IS NOT THERE. THANK YOU. UH, JUST A, JUST A, JUST A QUICK REMINDER, PLEASE. LET'S KEEP EVERYTHING ON THE TOPIC OF AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT UP IS BRUCE HALLIWELL. UM, I, I TOO WOULD LIKE THE, UM, THESE, UH, SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS REMOVED FROM PETALUMA AND CONTRACTS CANCELED. ONE POINT I'D ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN, GIVEN THE STATE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS HAPPENED, HOW IT'S GONE LAWLESS RECENTLY, AND EVEN IF THE SYSTEM WAS, WAS AIRTIGHT, LIKE NO LEAKS IN DATA. UM, I UNDERSTAND, I'VE READ IN THE MATERIAL THAT, UM, UH, DATA'S NOT SHARED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNLESS THERE'S A, A, LIKE A, A ACTUAL WARRANT. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE STATE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, DO YOU THINK IF THEY REALLY WANT IT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A WARRANT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HOLD BACK IN TRYING TO GET IT? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THEY SHOW UP, WHO, WHO HERE IS GONNA ACTUALLY STAND UP TO THEM AND RISK THEMSELVES BEING DEPORTED OR GOING TO JAIL TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS? THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GOING. SO I JUST PLEASE ASK YOU TO GET RID OF THE CAM, GET RID OF THE CAMERAS, AND CONSIDER THAT THAT AS A POTENTIAL REALITY. 'CAUSE THAT'S, 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE COMING. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS PAT PATIKA LEPER. PATRICE . SORRY ABOUT, THAT'S OKAY. GET A LOT. MY NAME IS PATRICK LEPER. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN PETALUMA, AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR NOT HAVING A DEPTH OF INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SYSTEMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. UM, BUT GIVEN, UM, WHAT WE'VE PROBABLY ALL WITNESSED OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF MANY MONTHS, UH, I'M CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT, UH, THE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND THEIR COOPERATION UNDER FLOCK. MY FEELING IS THAT THE, FOR, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OFFICER SAID, UM, THAT THE ARE CONTRACTS, MAYBE THEY CAN BE VOIDED AND MAYBE THEY CAN'T. BUT IN THE CASE OF THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO BE CANCELED, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, THE COMMITTEE, TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY THAT THEY BE TURNED OFF WHEN WE HAVE FEDERAL AGENCIES IN THIS TOWN THAT HAVE PROVEN IN THE PAST TO BE UNLAWFUL, AT LEAST IN THEIR ACTIONS. SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH ELSE TO ADD BECAUSE I THINK THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE ME SAID PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. NEXT UP IS FORM GALA. HEY, THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO REQUEST THE CITY TO, UM, RECOMMEND THAT THESE CAMERAS BE NOT USED AS A PERSON OF COLOR AND AS A PERSON WHO HAS WORKED IN THE TECH COMPANIES, UM, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, OR IN EVEN BEFORE, MOST TECH COMPANIES START OFF WITH A, UM, VERY GOOD IDEA. THEY SAY YOU WANT FRIENDSHIPS, SOCIAL MEDIA, FOR EXAMPLE, FACEBOOK OR ANY OTHER COMPANIES. BUT THE END GOAL IS ALWAYS DATA GATHERING. THE END GOAL IS ALWAYS PROFITS. AND THESE ARE BILLIONAIRES WHO ARE RUNNING THESE AND COLLABORATING WITH EACH OTHER. FLOCK WAS WITH A RECENT SUPER BOWL AD FLOCK. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT RING IS COLLABORATING WITH FLOCK. FLOCK IS COLLABORATING WITH PALANTIR. PALANTIR HAS NOT HIDDEN ITS [00:50:01] MAIN GOAL, UH, FROM CREATING A VERY TIGHT SURVEILLANCE STATE, UH, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF WHERE A PERSON HAS TRAVELED. NOT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, POINTS, BUT THE WHOLE TIMELINE. UH, THIS PUTS A LOT OF PEOPLE AT RISK, IS ALSO PUTS A LOT OF EASE FOR THEM TO SUPPRESS ANY FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT OR EVEN IN GENERAL FREEDOM. UM, AND I WOULD, UM, ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE RECENT QUOTE, UM, IN WASHINGTON SKAGIT COUNTY SUPERIOR CODE NOVEMBER, 2025, RULED THAT FLOCK CAMERA DATA, IF PURCHASED FLOCK CAMERAS ARE PURCHASED BY PUBLIC MONEY, THAT DATA IS PUBLIC AND FOLKS CAN REQUEST THAT DATA. SO AGAIN, THERE IS MASSIVE SAFETY CONCERNS IF ANYBODY CAN REQUEST THAT DATA AND GO OVER, UH, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT CAN LEAD TO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BAD ACTORS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DATA OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES. UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SURVEY BEFORE THEY ACT ON THINGS. UM, ANOTHER THING IS, YEAH, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS NINA ZITO. HELLO. I SO APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THE CONSIDERABLE BRAVERY ON THE PART OF, UH, MY FELLOW, FELLOW, UH, PET LUMENS WHO'VE SHARED THEIR, UH, CONCERNS AND THE COMMITMENT ON THE PART OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS TO USE EVERY TOOL, EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS CRIME, TO PREVENT IT, AND TO PUT PEOPLE WHO BELONG THERE BEHIND BARS. WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN AM NOT CONVINCED ABOUT, 'CAUSE I'M TOLD THAT THE DATA ARE SAFELY SILOED UNLESS THERE IS A ACTIVE INVESTIGATION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IS ACTIVE INVESTIGATION DEFINED? WHAT DATA EXISTS TO SHOW RATES OF PROSECUTION IF DATA ARE ASSEMBLED INAPPROPRIATELY? IS THAT THE FRUIT OF A POISON TREE? AND WILL THAT FAIL IN COURT? I'D, I'D LIKE SOME MORE NUMBERS AROUND THAT. UM, IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS HAVE A SACRED RESPONSIBILITY TO RECOGNIZE THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL, THE, UH, EVIDENT EVIL, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSIDERABLE HARM TO BE DONE ON ALL OF US. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME, UH, WISDOM BEING, UH, APPLIED IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY REMARKS. NEXT UP IS JOHN SWEENEY, OR JASON SWEENEY. JASON. JASON. JASON SWEENEY. GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE. UH, I'M GONNA START. UM, I I'M ALSO HERE TO, UH, UH, ASK YOU TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE, THE FLOCK PROGRAM AND, AND, UH, AND CANCEL IT. AND I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN CITIES ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, UH, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE AUTHORITARIANISM WE, WE SEE BURGEONING IN OUR COUNTRY. UM, AND, AND LIKE THE, A PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID, I, WE, WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU KNOW, BEING CIVICALLY ENGAGED TO CONSIDER WHERE THIS IS GOING. UM, AND THE BOTTOM LINE THAT, THAT, THAT KEEPS COMING BACK FROM ALL OF THESE POLICY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES IS, IS THE ONLY SOLUTION. THE ONLY SAFE SOLUTION IS TO NOT BUILD THE SYSTEM AT ALL. UM, ONCE THE DATA IS IN THE CLOUD, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT GUARANTEE IT'S IT THAT'S, IT'S SECURE AND WILL BE, UM, ACCESSED QUOTE UNQUOTE LAWFULLY. AND THE INDIVIDUAL, I MEAN, THE, THE ISSUE TO ME IS, IS THE, THE INDIVIDUALS IN POSITIONS OF POWER AND THE CHOICES THAT THEY MAKE, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH, WHETHER IT'S IDEOLOGICAL OR OF SELF-INTEREST AND MONEY MAKING. SO WE HEAR, WE HEAR LIKE FLOCK COMING TO THESE MEETINGS AND SAYING, IT'S NOT SURVEILLANCE. LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, LET'S GET THE DICTIONARY OUT. UM, TALK ABOUT WHAT SURVEILLANCE IS. IT'S JUST THIS IS THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN. IT'S DRIVE. IT'S CRAZY MAKING. UM, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT JAMES CLAPPER WAS THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND LIED UNDER OATH BECAUSE HE PROBABLY THOUGHT HE WAS SAFE. HE PROBABLY THOUGHT NOBODY KNEW, UM, ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE NSA WAS EMBEDDED IN, IN INSIDE [00:55:01] OF GOOGLE, YAHOO, MICROSOFT, AND AT AND T WE ONLY KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE ED SNOWDEN, THE WHISTLEBLOWER TOLD US. SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF POWER THAT HAVE SWORN OATH TO, TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND LIED TO OUR FACES. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT POLICING IN GENERAL WITHOUT INTRODUCING MORE TOOLS AND WEAPONS OF OPPRESSION. UM, THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ELENA. HELLO. UM, THANK YOU TO THE, TO THIS COUNCIL FOR HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO URGE THE COUNCIL TO TERMINATE THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK TO REMOVE ALL CAMERAS AND CREATE A CITYWIDE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE TO PREVENT PLUM PETALUMA FROM TURNING INTO A WARRANTLESS MASS. SURVEILLANCE STATE. A LPR CAMERAS ARE REALLY NOTHING LIKE REGULAR TRAFFIC CAMERAS. THEY CAN IDENTIFY CARS NOT ONLY BY LICENSE PLATE, BUT BY PAINT. JOB ITEMS SEEN IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK, BUMPER STICKERS, THEY'RE HIGH DEFINITION AND HAVE PAN AND ZOOM CAPABILITIES. AND THIS 24 7 FEET IS STORED IN AN, AN EASILY SEARCHABLE AI POWERED DATABASE THAT IS NOTORIOUSLY EASY TO HACK. UM, FLOCK SURVEILLANCE IS BACKED AND FUNDED BY PETER THIEL. CEO OF PALANTIR FLOCK IS QUIETLY CREATING THE MOST EXTREME AI MASS SURVEILLANCE NETWORK ACROSS THE NATION AND HANDING THIS DATA TO ICE ON A SILVER PLATTER TO ASSIST IN THEIR MISSION TO HUNT DOWN AND ASSAULT US CITIZENS AND IMMIGRANTS ALIKE. THIS IS WARRANTLESS FEDERAL SURVEILLANCE. IF A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM LIKE THIS EXISTED THROUGHOUT HISTORY, THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD, THE CIVIL WAR, AND PROBABLY ANY MILESTONE HISTORICAL REVOLUTION OR POLITICAL MOVEMENT WOULD'VE BEEN SQUASHED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THROUGHOUT HISTORY, WHAT IS RIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS LEGAL. AND WHAT IS LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. I CAN'T OVEREMPHASIZE HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO ALLOW A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM WITH SUCH UNCHECKED CENTRALIZED POWER TO DOMINATE THIS COMMUNITY. A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM WHOSE TECHNO FASCIST BACKERS, UH, WHO HAVE BOUGHT OUT OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD USE TO SQUASH ANY FUTURE POLITICAL MOVEMENTS THAT SEEK TO CHANGE WHAT IS LEGAL BUT NOT RIGHT AND WHAT IS RIGHT, BUT NOT YET LEGAL. UM, THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN HUGE DATA, LA SORRY, DATA LEAKS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT FLOCK DATABASE AND SEARCH HISTORY THAT HAVE SHOWN THOUSANDS OF SEARCHES LOCATING PEOPLE WHO WERE AT NO KING'S PROTESTS, WOMEN WHO HAD ABORTIONS, AND AGAIN, TO SEARCH FOR IMMIGRANTS IN ASSISTING ICE AND DHS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT WAS OUR LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER COMMENT. UH, WE DID HAVE ONE THAT CAME IN LATE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT STARTED, IF YOU'D LIKE IT. YES, LET'S ALLOW IT. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. I JUST GOT OFF WORK, SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT I'M ABLE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. UM, I'M HERE TO URGE YOU THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PLEASE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE DOWN THE FLOCK SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, UM, IS A LOT WITH, UH, RESONATES WITH ME. UM, AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO JOIN OTHER CALIFORNIA CITIES LIKE EUREKA SANTA CRUZ AND MOUNTAIN VIEW, WHO HA ARE IN THE WORKS OF TERM TERMINATING THEIR FLOCK CAMERA, THEIR FLOCK CONTRACTS, EXCUSE ME. UM, AND THAT'S DUE TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND DATA OF DATA MANAGEMENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE FLOCK LEADERSHIP HAS DEMONSTRATED. UH, JUST LAST MONTH I ALSO ATTENDED A RUNNER PARK CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE WHERE THEY HAD A FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT, AND SHE HAD A PRESENTATION AND SHARED A LOT ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND SAID THAT THEIR CAMERAS ARE BUILT WITH PRIVACY IN MIND, UM, AND SAYING THAT THEIR CAMERAS WEREN'T SURVEILLANCE. SO THAT IN ITSELF SHARED A DISCREPANCY OF WHAT SHE'S EVEN LIKE SHARING OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY USE. AND ANOTHER THING SHE SUGGESTED IS THAT THE A LPR CAMERAS HELP COMBAT AGAINST RACIAL BIAS THAT CAN COME FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, BUT AS A STEM GRADUATE, I KNOW THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE BECAUSE OUR BIASES ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THAT TECH ALGORITHMS OF THE TECHNOLOGY, AND IT'S ALL CONNECTED REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT TO ARGUE THAT NUMBERS AND DATA ARE COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE. AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF ACADEMIC JOURNALISTS THAT CAN HELP THAT HAVE REPORTED ON THIS, UH, ABOUT, UH, TECHNO TECHNOLOGICAL DATA. UM, IF IT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, UH, JUST IN DECEMBER, RICH, UH, RICHMOND POLICE CHIEF TIM SIMMONS, UM, HAD TERMIN, UH, TURNED OFF THEIR FLOCK, UM, TECHNOL, UH, CAMERAS BECAUSE, UM, I QUOTE HIM AFTER IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE DATA HAD ACCIDENTALLY BEEN MADE SEARCHABLE EARLIER THIS YEAR BY OUTSIDE [01:00:01] AGENCIES SEARCHING FOR A COMPLETE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. UM, AND HE ALSO SHARED THAT THE FACT THAT IT WAS MADE AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE AND WHAT IT'S ALREADY TOLD TO THEM BY FLOCK, THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR HIM TO SHUT DOWN THE SYSTEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS OUR LAST, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKING COMMENT. YES. UH, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, TWO THINGS REALLY QUICK. ONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EVERYONE THAT HAD GOT UP TO THAT PODIUM AND SAID SOMETHING, EVERYONE THAT WROTE SOMETHING ONLINE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, I BELIEVE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UH, WE ALL GET INVOLVED AND THAT WE ALL ARE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THAT WE ALL HELP SHAPE THIS COMMUNITY INTO THE VISION THAT WE WANNA SEE. I WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT EVERYONE UP HERE, UH, WELL MOST OF US UP HERE ON THE COMMITTEE, WE ARE NOT CITY STAFF. WE ARE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS. WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE ARE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO BE A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE. AND SO THAT IS OUR, THAT IS OUR GOAL AS A PSAC IS ABOUT SORT OF AREAS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND HELPING TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE SO THAT THE POL PET POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A CONDUIT THAT THEY CAN GO TO TO GET ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW BEST TO DO THAT. WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE VOTE ON RECOMMENDATIONS. IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVOCACY. QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANNA SAY? NOW'S THE TIME TO SAY, UH, UM, I, FORGIVE ME, UM, I'VE NOT MET THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE TONIGHT. UM, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE PRA PROCESS THAT'S BEEN COMMENTED ON A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT? UH, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE FLOCK DATA, UH, OR ANY OF OUR A LPR DATA, I CAN SPEAK TO THE PRA PROCESS. GENERALLY. I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THE FLOCK REQUESTS, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, UM, CHIEF MILLER OR STAFF MAY JUMP IN AND PROVIDE CLARITY. UM, TYPICALLY OUR PRA PROCESS IS, UM, WE RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR, UH, WHATEVER RECORDS, UH, THE REQUESTER IS SEEKING. UM, WE REVIEW THAT FOR PRIVACY CONCERNS, UM, OTHER LEGAL BASIS FOR POTENTIALLY NOT DISCLOSING RECORDS. UM, AND THEN IN KEEPING, UM, WITH THE LAW, WE WILL DISCLOSE WHATEVER RECORDS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ENTIT THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO AND SPECIFIC TO, TO FLOCK. I'LL LET STAFF SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, I'LL LET DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN, HE'S BEEN HANDLING OUR MOST RESPONSIVE RECORDS RELATED TO OUR PS ON, ON OUR APRS. THANK YOU. UH, AS WITH REGARDS TO THE APRS, WE HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS PRA REQUESTS FOR, UH, A VARIETY OF DATA. AND NOW AS, UM, ASSISTANT THE ATTORNEY DO SAID, UM, SOME OF THAT DATA IS NOT, UH, PRAA BOWL, UM, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF AN INVESTIGATION OR IT'S CONFIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF, UM, THAT THERE MIGHT BE IDENTIFYING INFORMATION SUCH AS A LICENSE PLATE. UH, WHAT WE DO RELEASE, UM, IS THE DATE AND TIME AND THE AGENCY, UH, THAT ACCESSED THE SYSTEM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF PETALUMA CONDUCTS A QUERY AND THE FLOCK SYSTEM, IT HAS THE REASON FOR IT, THE DATE IN WHICH IT HAPPENED, AND, UM, THE AGENCY IDENTIFIER AND WHAT IT WAS, WAS IT A SEARCH, WAS IT A LOCATE? UM, WHAT WAS THE, THE A LPR, UM, INTERFACE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO OTHER, UH, ENTITIES ACCESSING OUR A LPR DATA, THAT'S PART OF OUR NETWORK AUDIT. UM, WE ALSO FURNISHED THAT WE FURNISHED WHAT THE AGENCY WAS. SO IF, LET'S SAY ROANOKE PARK ACCESSED OUR A LPR, IT WOULD SAY ROANOKE PARK DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, WHAT THE REASON FOR THE SEARCH WAS THE DATE AND TIME, AND THEN THAT IT WAS A QUERY. UM, SO THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE, UH, RESPOND WITH TO A PRA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEARCHES WERE LEGITIMATE AND THAT IT WAS FROM AN AGENCY, UH, EITHER PETALUMA OR ONE THAT WE WERE SHARING WITH. AND THAT AUDIT IS DONE, UH, ON A MONTHLY BASIS. SORRY, IT'S GONNA BE LONG AGAIN. ALSO, I WANNA JUST SAY I, UM, ONLY 'CAUSE I USED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING A LOT. I DID LOOK UP, THERE'S CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT CASE THAT SAYS THAT THE A LPR DATA ACTUALLY DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE INVESTIGATIVE RECORDS EXCEPTION TO THE, UM, PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, BUT IT DEFINITELY HAS TO BE REDACTED. SO THERE WOULD BE PRIVACY, LIKE ANYTHING THAT WOULD, UM, IMPACTS ANYBODY'S PRIVACY WOULD HAVE TO BE REDACTED BEFORE IT WOULD BE DISCLOSED. UM, ALSO NOW FOR MY, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, FIRST THANK YOU CHIEF POLICE DEPARTMENT, [01:05:01] CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR CANCELING, SHARING THE DATA WITH EL CAJON FOR MAKING CHANGES TO THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. IT'S FANTASTIC THAT YOU TOOK A IMMEDIATE STEPS TO RESPOND TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS. UM, I STILL CANNOT, UM, I STILL WANT OUR COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL, UM, TO DISCONTINUE USING THE READERS. UH, SINCE LAST MONTH'S MEETING, AS PEOPLE HAVE NOTED, MORE CALIFORNIA JURISDICTIONS HAVE NOTED PROBLEMS WITH FLOCK, INCLUDING TIBURON AND SANTA CLARA MOUNTAIN VIEW AND LOS ANGELES. ALTOS HILLS HAVE CANCELED THEIR CONTRACTS AND APPARENTLY YESTERDAY THE SANTA CLARA BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTED TO AMEND THEIR SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF FLOCK READERS. UM, ALSO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE SHARE, UM, ON, ON OUR LIST WITH THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER, AND THAT'S A PART OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE THREAT ASSESSMENT SYSTEM. AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT LINKS FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES TO EACH OTHER AND THE NATION. AND I WAS JUST RESEARCHING THESE, THESE AGENCIES, I'D NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE. AND JUST LAST WEEK ON FEBRUARY 19TH, THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE INTRODUCED AB 2265. THE LEGISLATOR TRACTOR SAYS ABOUT THE BILL EXISTING LAW REQUIRES THE CALIFORNIA CYBERSECURITY INTEGRATION CENTER TO OPERATE IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH THE CALIFORNIA STATE THREAT ASSESSMENT SYSTEM AND THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FOR SPECIFIED INFORMATION SHARING PURPOSES. THIS BILL WOULD STATE THAT IT'S THE INTENT OF THE LEGISLATURE TO ENACT LEGISLATION THAT WILL REQUIRE THE STATE THREAT ASSESSMENT CENTER TO DEVELOP AN INTELLIGENT SHARING PLAN THAT RESPECTS INDIVIDUALS, UM, PRIVACY AND CIVIL RIGHTS. SO AS OF RIGHT THE SECOND, THE THREAT ASSESSMENT SYSTEM SYSTEM, WHICH WAS PRESUMABLY RECEIVING FLOCK DATA FROM ALL CALIFORNIA CITIES AND SHARES WITH FEDERAL HOMELAND SECURITY HAS NO GUARDRAILS TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY. UM, FINALLY, UM, I RESEARCHED ALTERNATIVES TO FLOCK TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COUNCIL MEMBER NOW'S, UM, STATEMENTS LAST MONTH. AND I INITIALLY THOUGHT ALL CAMERA SYSTEMS WERE EQUALLY PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE CAMERAS THAT PROCESS DATA LOCALLY AND STORED ON LOCAL SER LOCAL SERVERS RATHER THAN CLOUD SERVERS. IF THE CITY DOES INSIST ON USING READERS, IT NEEDS TO CONSIDER THESE ALTERNATIVES. AND I GET IT THAT WE RECEIVE THE FLOP READERS FOR FREE AND THERE IS UTILITY TO THEM. I SAW THE NICKEL ABOUT CATCHING AN ASSAILANT AND READ IN THE REPORT THE OTHER TIMES THE POLICE HAS USED THEM SUCCESSFULLY THAT AS, UM, ROBIN RILEY MENTIONED, WE'LL ALWAYS BE PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE IF WE STICK TO USING FLOCK. USING AN AI POWERED CAMERA SYSTEM THAT CONNECTS WITH A WIDE NETWORK WILL ALWAYS POSE A RISK THAT DATA WILL WILL BE SHARED OR MISUSED. AND SO AGAIN, I URGE THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE, WE DO SOMETHING TO TAKE DOWN THESE CAMERAS. CAN YOU REMIND ME, CAN THEY BE MANUALLY TURNED OFF? DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO TURN OFF THE FLOCK? IF I, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF THAT WAS A CAPABILITY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OR IS IT THEY'RE STREAMING ALL THE TIME, ALWAYS, THERE'S NO WAY TO TURN IT OFF ON YOUR END WITHOUT CONTACTING FLOCK AND HAVING THEM DO SOMETHING. YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT FUNCTIONALITY OF TURNING IT OFF. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN IN YOUR INVESTIGATIONS, AND IF YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO IT, THAT'S FINE. UM, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU USE THE DATA HISTORICAL DATA MORE THAN CURRENT DATA? SO IF, IF, IS IT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING BACK TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING IN THE LAST FEW DAYS? OR IS IT THAT YOU GET A CALL AND YOU GO INTO IT IN THAT MOMENT AND YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT IN AS IT'S HAPPENING? UM, DOES ONE HAPPEN MORE THAN THE OTHER? UH, IT'S BOTH. UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S UM, IT'S, IT'S TWOFOLD, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE'VE HEARD, AND, AND I, I WOULD SPEAK AND I KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTERS TALKED ABOUT ATTENDING THE ROTOR PARK CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND, UM, ONE OF THEIR ADJUSTMENTS OUTTA THAT MEETING WAS THEY CHANGED THEIR RETENTION FROM ONE YEAR TO 30 DAYS. AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS, UM, IN SPEAKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER WAS, WELL CHANGE OUR RETENTION TO 30 DAYS. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE THE DAY WE IMPLEMENTED. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A BEST PRACTICE, THAT'S A MODEL PRACTICE. UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS MUCH BEYOND THAT IS, IS REALLY TOO LONG. UM, IF YOU'RE INVESTIGATING OUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF 30 DAYS, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STALE AT THAT POINT. WE KNOW, UM, GENERALLY WHEN A REPORT COMES IN, SOMETIMES WE'LL GET A REPORT. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WILL MAKE A REPORT A FEW DAYS LATER, HEY, A WEEK AGO THIS HAPPENED, OR MY CAR WAS BROKEN IN, OR I CAME HOME FROM VACATION AND MY CAR WAS STOLEN. UM, AND, AND WE WILL TRY TO FIND THOSE THINGS. UM, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE STOLEN OVERNIGHT AND SOMEONE WILL WAKE UP [01:10:01] HOURS LATER. AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST 12, UH, 24 HOURS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THOSE THINGS. BUT OUR INVESTIGATORS, OUR OFFICERS ARE HAVING CRIMES OCCUR AND ONE OF THEIR FIRST THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING IS IMMEDIATELY CHECKING FLOCK AND FINDING OUT, UM, IS, IS THIS VEHICLE ASSOCIATED? OR, UM, IF WE HAVE AN IDENTIFIED SUSPECT, IS THE SUSPECTS ASSOCIATED VEHICLE EVOLVED? AND, AND, UM, ARE THEY, UH, UH, IN THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE A RECENT LOCATION FOR THEM? AND WE ARE SEEING, UM, UM, HIGH SUCCESS WITH THOSE CASES. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN A RELATIVELY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE OF JUST A FEW MONTHS, WE'RE SEEING SOME, SOME, UM, INCREASINGLY, UM, SUCCESSFUL CASES. AND WE HAVE, UM, SOME ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY, UM, ONGOING, UH, THAT ARE UTILIZING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT I WISH WE WERE IN A POSITION THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND SHARE PUBLICLY, BUT WE, WE CANNOT. UM, BUT THEY ARE UTILIZING THE TECHNOLOGY AND AT SOME POINT, UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL BE AT A PLACE THAT IS PUBLICLY DISCLOSABLE AND WE CAN SHARE THAT THEY WILL BE NOTABLE. UM, AND THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT. UM, SO WE, WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING TONIGHT. IT, UM, THE CONCERNS ARE, ARE LEGITIMATE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND, UM, IT'S A NEW WORLD OUT THERE. IT'S A NEW WORLD THAT TECHNOLOGY, EVEN THOUGH THE POLICY WAS WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO, 15 YEARS AGO, AND IT IS A VERY GOOD POLICY. AND THAT IS WHAT, UM, THE CITY HAS THE COMPANY. WE ONLY HAVE FOUR CAMERAS. WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE FOUR FIXED FLOCK CAMERAS THAT ARE CITY OWNED, FOUR FIXED, WHICH WERE PAID FOR BY A GRANT. WE, UM, BEGAN USING THEM IN OCTOBER, 2025. AND THE CONTRACT GOES THROUGH UNTIL FALL OF 2026. AND I CAN REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL THAT THERE WERE QUITE MANY CONCERNS. I BELIEVE COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS AND EMAILS, AND I DO SUGGEST YOU CONTINUE SENDING THEM TO THE CITY CLERK AND TO THE COUNCIL. UM, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. THE, UM, PALOMA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB. UM, THEY NEED THIS INFORMATION WHEN WE HAVE AN AMBER ALERT OR THERE'S, UM, A, A SUSPECTED VEHICLE THAT'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, COME THROUGH PETALUMA THAT WE NEED TO, I, I'M NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO I'M, I AM PUTTING TOGETHER A SCENARIO, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET, THAT THERE'S MAYBE A SUSPECT'S VEHICLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS A TOOL. THEY'RE USING THE CAMERAS AS A TOOL. THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING IT TO THESE AGENCIES, BUT IT'S AN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE WITH THE CLOUD CAN, CAN BE AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, BUT I CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL THAT THERE'S CONCERNS AND THEY CAN, UM, AGENDIZE IT FOR CONVERSATION THROUGH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF CAN GIVE US SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UM, WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND THE AUTOMATIC OR AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN USING FOR NUMEROUS YEARS FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, PARKING ENFORCEMENT. AND, UM, BUT I, I STAND BEHIND OUR POLICY THAT IS WELL WRITTEN IN THE CITY CHARTER. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING FORWARD, AND I WILL TAKE THIS BACK TO COUNSEL AND LET THEM KNOW AS I AM THE LIAISON, I DON'T MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS. I CAN JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND TELL THEM WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THIS MEETING AND WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE ME TO TELL THE COUNCIL. I CAN BRING BACK CHAIR MILLER. THERE ARE EIGHT CAMERAS ON CITY STREETS. ARE YOU SAYING THAT FOUR OF 'EM ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? SO, UH, AT LEAST EIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A VALID [01:15:01] QUESTION, BUT WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS IF WE, IF WE START SHOUTING QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. GO AHEAD, CHIEF MUL. YEAH, SO, UM, AS, AND, AND I'LL ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, BUT AS DIRECTED AND, AND ESTABLISHED IN THE DECORUM, THE, THE APPROPRIATE VENUE FOR THAT IS THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THE CITY OWNS FOUR FLOCK CAMERAS. WE, WE HAVE FOUR. UH, THE CITY OF SANTA ROSA HAS 129. ROANOKE PARK HAS 29. WE HAVE FOUR PRIVATE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN PERSONALLY OWN THEM. WE HAVE FOUR SHOPPING CENTERS CAN OWN THEM. WE HAVE FOUR. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBLE POLICY. WE'VE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WE USE IT LAWFULLY, WE USE IT APPROPRIATELY. WE USE IT FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. UH, WE USE IT TO SAFELY PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY FOR SIGNIFICANT CRIME. SO, UH, THERE ARE OTHER CAMERAS. THERE ARE OTHER CAMERAS ELSEWHERE. THE CITY OWNS FOUR. UH, AS FAR AS, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMENT AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. WE'VE HAD AN A LPR POLICY SINCE THE DAY WE ENACTED A LPR TECHNOLOGY. WE HAVE UPDATED THAT POLICY THROUGHOUT THE TIME. IT IS NOT A 20-YEAR-OLD POLICY. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR. THAT'S OKAY. . UM, IT IS CONSISTENTLY AND CONSTANTLY UPDATED. SO IT IS VERY, VERY CURRENT AND CONSISTENT WITH LAW AND LEGAL UPDATES AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT ADOPT A POLICY IN 2005 AND WE HAVE NOT LET IT STANDING. SO IT IS CURRENT IS RELEVANT AND IS CONSISTENT WITH MODERN PRACTICES. I ALSO WANTED TO JUST ADDRESS THE FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER OB SETLER RELATED TO THE NICK RICK. SO I'VE SEEN THOSE. WE DO SHARE WITH THE, THE NICK RICK. UM, IT IS THE, IT IS A, UH, UH, THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER. UM, IT IS COMPRISED OF STATE AND LOCAL, UM, AS WELL AS A BOARD THAT CONSISTS OF, OF FEDERAL, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBERS. UH, THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVES THAT CONSIST OF THAT AGENCY GENERALLY ARE STATE AND LOCAL EMPLOYEES. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT WORK THERE IS, MY UNDERSTANDINGS ARE OUT OF OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES FROM SAN MATEO COUNTY. UM, THEY HAVE AN A LPR POLICY THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH. THAT IS SB 34 AND SB 54 COMPLIANT. UH, WE HAVE SEEN THAT IT'S POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE. IT'S CONSISTENT. IT'S THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COMPLIANT. IT'S THE SAME CONSISTENT AND COMPLIANT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND ADHERE TO. UM, IT IS NOT SHARED FOR THE PURPOSES OF IMMIGRATION. THEY'RE THE SAME AGENCY WHEN WE HAVE A HATE CRIME RELATED INCIDENT, THAT WE HAVE A SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORT WHEN WE HAVE, UH, AN INCIDENT OF SUSPECTED TERRORISM, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE SERIOUS, UM, OR CONCERNING SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY AT OUR AIRPORT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. WE REPORT THOSE INCIDENTS TO THE RIC AND THEY ARE A LIAISON TO OTHER ENTITIES AND SHARE THOSE INFORMATION. UM, WE REPORT THAT GENERALLY TO OUR LIAISON OFFICER WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE MARIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, A DEPUTY WHO WORKS IN THE NICK R. BUT HE IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW AND COMPORT WITH CALIFORNIA STATE LAW FIRST AND FOREMOST, BUT THEN SERVES IN THE DUAL CAPACITY THROUGH THE FUSION CENTER AND THE NICK R. SO I HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES. SO THEY HAVE TO COMPLY AND, AND, UH, ADHERE TO STATE LAW. BUT I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS. BUT THEY CAN SERVE AS A LIAISON. AND SO AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE, UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WORKING WITH IN CASES THAT MAY, UM, UM, UM, HAVE AN EXUS TO FEDERAL AGENCIES. WE HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE WHERE HOMELAND SECURITY IS A LARGE AGENCY. THEY DO WORK ON A NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIONS. IMMIGRATION AND BORDER PATROL IS A COMPONENT OF THAT AGENCY. IT IS A SMALL COMPONENT. WE HAVE BEEN LESS THAN APPRECIATIVE OF A NUMBER OF THEIR ACTIVITIES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CONDUCTING ELSEWHERE. I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT WHERE THE POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION NATIONALLY HAS TAKEN A POSITION, UM, IN OPPOSITION OF SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES, UM, IN MINNEAPOLIS MOST RECENTLY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WHERE HUMAN TRAFFICKING, CHILD EXPLOITATION, UM, DRUG TRAFFICKING, UM, COUNTERFEITING FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS, [01:20:01] UM, OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DO DO THAT ARE STILL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF HOMELAND SECURITY, UM, THAT THEY DO DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS AND THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT, THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT THAT IS WHAT SOME OF THOSE, UM, THAT INTELLIGENCE CENTER DOES DO. BUT SPECIFIC TO THE LPR COMPONENT, IT IS BIFURCATED FROM THAT. BUT I, I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY. SO THAT'S NOT LOST ON ME. UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE IS LEGISLATIVE AND STATUTORY FRAMEWORK THAT IS INTENDED TO PROTECT THOSE THINGS AND COMPLY. AND AGAIN, OUR AGENCY, MY STAFF, MYSELF, ARE PROHIBITED, UM, FROM DOING THOSE THINGS AND, UH, UM, DO COMPLY AND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE STATE LAW. SO, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. UH, CHIEF, THERE WAS CHANGES MADE FROM THE LAST MEETING TILL TODAY ON WHO WE'RE SHARING DATA WITH IN REGARDS TO CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HERE, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. HAVE WE CODIFIED OR, OR FORMALIZED IN THE POLICY HOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTIONS IF OTHER AGENCIES SPRING UP THAT HAVE HAD ISSUES GOING FORWARD? UH, I, I THINK THE POLICY, IT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSTANTLY EVALUATE AND ADDRESS THINGS. I CAN TELL YOU AS A POLICE CHIEF, I HAVE COMPLETE AUTONOMY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND CHANGE DEPARTMENT POLICIES, UM, TO SOME DEGREE. UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE CAN COMMIT TO IS WE, WE WANT TO BE COMPLIANT. UM, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BE COMPLIANT. I THINK THAT AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC COMMENTER AND, AND MS. OB SETTLER'S COMMENT, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING, UM, THOSE OTHER AGENCIES IN THERE. I KNOW THERE WAS REFERENCE IN ONE OF THE, THE AGENCIES THAT WAS IN THAT OTHER LIST OF ADDITIONAL AGENCIES WAS SAN RAFAEL SAN RAFAEL'S COMPLIANT. I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WERE AGENCIES IN YEARS PAST, MARIN, MARIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN LIKE 2008 HAD AN ISSUE WITH A PRIOR, UH, VENDOR. UM, AND THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THERE IN COMPLIANCE CURRENTLY. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, MAYBE SOME REFERENCES TO PRIOR LITIGATION. AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME DUE DILIGENCE, BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT DUE DILIGENCE AND ENSURING THAT IF AGENCIES ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, AND I WOULD GO AND WANT TO GO TO A REPUTABLE SOURCE. SO WHEN WE LEARNED THAT DOJ IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH LITIGATION WITH EL CAJON, THAT TO ME IS A PRETTY REPUTABLE SOURCE. WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS SAYING THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANT. I, I, I WOULD THINK THAT WAS A PRETTY STRONG STATEMENT THERE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER AGENCIES AND ENGAGED IN ACTIVE LITIGATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CURRENTLY. UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE HAD AN OFFICER DO AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH, UM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A POLICY ISSUE, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY HANDLING THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY ADDRESS THAT OFFICER INDIVIDUALLY. I KNOW I SURE AS HECK WOULD BE. UM, AND THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, UM, FOR AN AGENCY TO HAVE THEIR SERVICE TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A SYSTEMIC OR A PERVASIVE ISSUE AT THAT POINT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE BACK AND EVALUATE, UH, UM, LOOKING AT OUR POLICY FURTHER AND ADDING SOME, SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT FURTHER. MR. CHAIR, I'LL MOVE THAT WE EXTEND THE MEETING 15 MINUTES, GIVEN THE TIME. I WOULD SECOND THAT. MACIAS. YES. KEARNEY? YES. MILLER? YES. OSLER? YES. SULLIVAN? YES. NOW, YES. MOTION CARRIES TO EXTEND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? UM, JUST ONE. SO THE FACT THAT THERE'S SUCH A THING AS NON-CLOUD, UM, WE LIKE CAMERAS. DO WE NOT CARE? UH, I THINK I, I, I MEAN, I'M NOT A AN IT SPECIALIST. I KNOW RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY IMMENSE CHALLENGES MAINTAINING OUR OWN, UH, SERVERS ON OUR, OUR FACILITY. WE'RE ALSO IN THE, THE POSITION WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING TO TRANSITION AND DECOMMISSION OUR WHOLE FACILITY IN THE NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE, UH, PROCESS OF RELOCATING OUR ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, WE, WE HAVE, UM, UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND COUNCIL APPROVAL. UM, SO, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT AN ON-PREMISE SERVER, UM, AT THE MOMENT [01:25:01] IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ENTERTAINING AT OUR CURRENT EXISTING FACILITY. UM, BUT I I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH TO REALLY COMMENT ON, ON THE TECHNOLOGY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. UM, BUT I'M HAPPY, HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO, TO, TO LOOK AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY EVALUATING TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTS. I I CAN ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THAT. SO NETWORK ATTACK STORAGE IS, UH, AN ANTIQUATED SYSTEM. UM, WITH CLOUD-BASED STORAGE, YOU HAVE REDUNDANCY AND YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CYBERSECURITY LAYERS THAT PROTECT THE DATA. UM, WE AS A CITY HAVE GONE AWAY FROM A LOT OF ON-PREMISE STORAGE BECAUSE THE COST IS, UM, EXCESSIVELY MORE. UH, AND IT REQUIRES STAFF TO, TO MAINTAIN IT, UM, ENSURE THAT IT'S UPDATED, PATCHED. UH, SO FOR, UH, A SYSTEM TO BE STORED ON ON PREMISE IS GOING TO BE A, THAT WOULD BE AN IT PROJECT THAT, UH, WOULD HAVE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED. CITY DEPARTMENTS. I MEAN, AND NAS NOT AN ANTIQUATED, UH, SYSTEM I IMPLEMENT FOR THE FEDERAL. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. I I UNDERSTAND THAT WE JUST, WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING LATE. WE JUST CAN'T, WE CAN'T TAKE, UM, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA LET HIM LIE. NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST ABOUT LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA TRY AND GET THROUGH THIS SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE VOTE THAT WE ALL WANT TO GET TO. I'M JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME TIME FOR THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE? OKAY. I WILL SORT OF, UM, TRY AND WRAP THIS UP. UM, I WANT TO SORT OF BE CLEAR FOR EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT I WANT TO TRY AND SEPARATE THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS AND CITY STAFF HAVE PUT TOGETHER TO WRAP AROUND AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS AND THIS SPECIFIC SERVICE PROVIDER IN FLOCK, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME. AND I DON'T WANT A SORT OF VOTE OR A DETERMINATION ON FLOCK AS A SERVICE PROVIDER IN ANY WAY TO REFLECT A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY STAFF'S POLICY THAT THEY'VE PUT AROUND AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. THOSE ARE TWO VERY SEPARATE THINGS, AND I THINK, I DON'T WANNA PRESUME, BUT I BELIEVE BASED ON LAST MONTH'S MEETING, EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAS TO, TO, UH, ECHO WHAT, WHAT, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBER NOW SAID IS VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN LISTENING TO US AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND IN PUTTING A POLICY AROUND AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS THAT IS AS THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT AND RESPECTFUL OF CIVIL LIBERTIES AS THEY CAN NOW TO TALK ABOUT FLOCK SPECIFICALLY, I THINK FROM MY, IN MY OPINION NOW I'M GOING TO SORT OF DIVERT INTO OPINION HERE. UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF THESE CAMERAS. I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE FIRST TERMS IN THIS COMMITTEE'S CHARTER, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS A PUBLIC THAT DOES NOT FEEL SAFE WITH THIS SERVICE PROVIDER. NOW, WHETHER THE, THE, THE, THE REASONS ARE TRUE OR PERCEIVED, IN MY OPINION AS A SOMEONE WHO'S HERE TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S NOT UP TO ME TO DECIDE MY ROLE OR WHAT I WANNA FOCUS ON AND PRIORITIZE, IS THAT THERE ARE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES HERE THAT DON'T FEEL SAFE WITH THIS SERVICE PROVIDER. AND FOR THAT REASON ALONE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE AT LEAST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I DO NOT ENVY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE DEBATES AND DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AROUND THIS TECHNOLOGY AND AROUND THIS SPECIFIC PROVIDER. BUT I WOULD URGE THE COMMITTEE TO LISTEN TO THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC'S, UM, SENTIMENT AND TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, TAKE DEEPER LOOKS AT THIS SPECIFIC SERVICE PROVIDER AND TAKE MORE INVESTIGATIVE TIME TO SEE IF THIS PROVIDER IS ABLE TO MEET OUR CITY'S VALUES AND ABLE TO REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY THE WAY IT WANTS TO BE REPRESENTED. ON THAT, LET'S GET TO THE VOTES FOR THE CITY CLERK. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO MAYBE SPLIT THIS INTO THREE VOTES. THAT WAY WE CAN SORT OF BE VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE TRYING TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO REACT TO. THE FIRST WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE FLOCK CONTRACT. THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ALREADY DOING. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT JORDAN IS ALREADY GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE TO GIVE THE CITY ATTORNEY ALL OF THE TIME AND RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO EVALUATE THE FLOCK CONTRACT [01:30:01] SPECIFICALLY. THE SECOND VOTE WOULD BE ON EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVES. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION, DEBATE INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE GATHERED ABOUT WHAT DO ALTERNATIVES TO FLOCK AS A SERVICE PROVIDER LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE COST OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES? WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS AND DRAWBACKS TO THOSE ALTERNATIVES? I THINK MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE TO MAKE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO STEADY ALTERNATIVES TO THIS SPECIFIC SERVICE PROVIDER WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION WORTH PUTTING ON. AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION OF TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION PENDING FURTHER STUDY. SO THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT PENDING THAT STUDY AND PENDING THE ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE CONTRACTS. DOES THIS COMMITTEE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD TERMINATE OR SUSPEND FLOCK AS A SERVICE PROVIDER? THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION. COMMENTS, INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, WE WE'LL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR EACH OF THOSE. SO YOU'LL DO A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE AND HAVE A SECOND AND THEN VOTE AND THEN MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, MOTION AND SECOND AND VOTE. THAT WILL BE THE PROCEDURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS FANTASTIC NEWS. THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, THAT THE COMMITTEE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE FLOCK CONTRACT BY THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? NO. SO JU TO, I, I GUESS I WANT CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DO SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS ALREADY DOING. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YES. BUT, AND, AND SO I I, I GUESS MY CONFUSION IS THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WORK AND THIS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE AGENDIZED AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR DIRECTION FOR IT WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. NO. OKAY. THEN I WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMITTEE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES TO THE FLOCK SURFACE CONTRACT ALTERNATIVE USES ALTERNATIVE STORAGE, ALTERNATIVE CONTRACTORS, ANY ALTERNATIVES. SO CAN WE CLARIFY? UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS STATED THAT THE CONTRACT ENDS IN THE FALL. THE GRANT, UH, FUNDING ENDS, UH, AT THE ONE YEAR PERIOD FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION. AND I, AND THE ACTIVATION WAS IN THE SEPTEMBER OF 2025. SO AT THAT POINT THEN IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND IT WOULD JUST THEN BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSUME THE FUNDING OF, OF THE SECOND YEAR OF THAT TERM OF SERVICE. AND THAT COST OF THAT IS $12,000 FOR THE SECOND YEAR OF THE FUNDING. AND THAT WOULD BE IN OUR SPRING BUDGET. MM-HMM . SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR BUDGET. SO THAT WOULD BE TIME. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ASK, I THINK. BUT THERE'S NO, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION. IF THE CITY DECIDED TO STOP PAYING THE CONTRACT, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION THAT FLOCK HAS TO TURN OFF THE CAMERAS. LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE AN OFF SWITCH. SO THEY COULD LEAVE THE CAMERAS ON AND STILL COLLECT DATA. EVEN IF WE STOPPED PAYING THEM, THEY WOULD PICK UP THE CAMERAS AND TAKE 'EM BACK, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A LEASE. IT'S NOT, WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T BUY THEM. WE DIDN'T. YES, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. I I DON'T THINK THEY'D KEEP 'EM RUNNING WITHOUT PAYMENT THOUGH. YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO THE RECOMMEND THE VOTE WOULD BE ON, UH, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES TO THE CURRENT SERVICE PROVIDER FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH FUNDING IN OUT YEARS PAST THE GRANT FUNDING? CORRECT. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT. UH, MACIAS? NO. KAREN? [01:35:01] YES. MILLER? YES. OSLER? YES. SULLIVAN? NO. NOW? YES. AND MOTION CARRIES WITH 1, 2, 4 WITH FOUR YES. AND TWO NO. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY. SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I FORWARD A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION OF THE FLOCK SERVICE CONTRACT. I SECOND MS. NO. KEARNEY. NO. MILLER? YES. OSLER? YES. SULLIVAN? NO. NOW ALL I DO, ALL I'M DOING IS REPORTING BACK TO THE COUNCIL THIS RECOMMENDATION OF THIS MOTION. THAT IS IT. IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. UM, YES. SO WE HAVE THREE YES. AND THREE. NO, THAT MOTION DOES NOT CARRY. AND MOTION DOES NOT CARRY. OKAY. YEAH. SO AT THIS POINT WE WOULD BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. GIVEN THAT WE'VE ALREADY EXTENDED 15 MINUTES, I'M WONDERING IF I WOULD, SHOULD PUT TOGETHER, PUT FORWARD A MOTION THAT WE PUSH OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM INTO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING INSTEAD TO ALLOW IT MORE TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT. MS. S? YES. KEARNEY? YES. MILLER? YES. OSLER? YES. SULLIVAN? YES. NOW? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO PUSH TO THE NEXT NEXT MEETING. I MOVE TO ADJOURN. DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR? I SECOND. . MACIAS. YES. KEARNEY? YES. MILLER? YES. OSLER? YES. SULLIVAN? YES. NOW? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO ADJOURN. UH, ADJOURN. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:41 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.