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FOURTH,[ROLL CALL]
ARE THEY? NO CHISHOLM HERE.AND IN CASE SHE DIDN'T GET THAT QUINT'S.
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PUBLIC COMMENT.UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES.
SUBJECT TO THE COMMITTEE'S DISCRETION.
UH, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY.
UM,
UH, IN PERSON PUBLIC SPEAKERS, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE.
HI, UH, EMILY CHAR FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY BICYCLE COALITION.
UM, IT WAS MENTIONED, I THINK, AT THE VERY END OF YOUR LAST MEETING, UH, POTENTIAL FOR BIKE VALET AT THE BUTTER EGG DAYS PARADE.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
SO, UM, THAT WILL BE, UH, ON SATURDAY, APRIL 18TH.
UH, AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO HELP.
SO, UM, HAVE A LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE IF YOU'RE INCLINED, OR FEEL FREE TO SHARE, UM, TO SHARE THE LINK WITH ANYBODY YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
UM, WE HAD A VERY FULL CORRAL LAST YEAR, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY HOPING FOR THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
AND WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN MOVE TO MISSING.
OH, THERE IT IS,
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THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S FEBRUARY 4TH MEETING.I NOW ASK THE COMMITTEE IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO LAST MONTH'S MINUTES YOU WANT TO ADDRESS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE SAYING SO, AND I DON'T SAY SO EITHER.
SO THE LAST MONTH'S MINUTES ARE APPROVED, UH, WITHOUT COMMENT, WHICH MOVES US DIRECTLY INTO,
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TO REVIEW THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION'S COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST FOR PETALUMA RIVER PARK'S PROPOSED MULTI-USE USE PATHWAY.
GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UH, THIS IS A PROCEED, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, KIND OF PROCEDURAL ITEM FOR THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT.
UM, AND, UH, THIS IS A, A REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION HAS FOR ANY PROJECT SEEKING OVER $250,000 IN REGIONAL, UH, REGIONAL FUNDING, UH, NEEDS TO COM FILL OUT A COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST SHOWING HOW THEIR PROJECT ADHERES TO, UH, MTCS COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, WHICH REALLY, UM, UH, KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL AIMS TO ENSURE THAT ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE REGIONALLY FUNDED, UH, IN THE BAY AREA, UM, ARE PROVIDING WALKING, BIKING, AND ROLLING FACILITIES THAT ARE SAFE AND ACCOMMODATING FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE CASE OF THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK, UH, THEY'RE ENVISIONING A, UH, A SERIES OF OFF STREET PATHWAYS AND TRAILS THAT, UH, ARE INHERENTLY, UH, THAT, THAT INHERENTLY ADHERE TO THESE GUIDELINES GIVEN THE SEPARATION FROM VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT THEY PROVIDE.
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SO, UM, UH, THE RIVER PARK FOLKS REACHED OUT BECAUSE, UH, THIS DOES, UH, THE, THE COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST NEEDS TO COME BEFORE A LOCAL BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH YOU ARE.AND, UH, SO I WAS HAPPY TO DO THIS ON THEIR BEHALF.
UM, TOOK A STAB AT FILLING IT OUT FOR THEM, UH, BASED ON WHAT I KNEW ABOUT THEIR GRANT APPLICATION.
AND, UH, AND THEN ALSO, UM, DID A LITTLE WRITEUP IN THE STAFF REPORT.
HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER.
I DID REVIEW AND HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE CHECKLIST? SHOW OF HANDS? ALRIGHT.
YEAH, I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO GET A SENSE.
WAS TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE LOCATION THAT SPECIFICALLY THIS WAS FOR.
UM, IF THERE'S, IF YOU CAN MAYBE BRING THAT UP JUST ON A MAP OR SOMETHING.
YOU KIND OF CAN INTERPRET IT FROM THE CHECKLIST, BUT JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND I CAN, UH, PULL UP THEIR WEBSITE HERE, UM, IS THAT THIS APPLIES TO BOTH THEIR, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THEIR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PROJECTS.
UH, PHASE ONE BEING THE, UH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CURRENT PETALUMA RIVER PARK PROPERTY, UM, ON STEAMER LANDING, AND THEN PHASE TWO BEING THE PROPERTY THAT THEY MORE RECENTLY ACQUIRED ACROSS MCNAIR CHANNEL FROM THAT PROPERTY, UH, OFF OF HOPPER STREET.
UM, BUT I'LL TAKE A, I'LL, I'LL PULL UP THEIR WEB, THEIR WEBSITE, UH, AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THEIR, THEIR GRANT APPLICATION, UM, THIS IS FOR MTCS PRIORITY CONSERVATION AREA, UH, GRANT PROGRAM.
AND SO THIS DOES APPLY TO MUCH MORE THAN JUST, UM, THIS GRANT APPLICATION IS FOR MORE THAN JUST THE PATHWAY COMPONENT OF THEIR PROJECT.
I THINK, UH, IT'S PRETTY, THERE'S SOME PRETTY BROAD, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE FUNDED WITH THIS GRANT THAT TOUCH ON, UM, THE PATHWAY, THE PARK ITSELF, AND ALSO, UM, SOME CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES.
BUT I WILL, UM, SHARE MY SCREEN HERE ON THEIR WEBPAGE, UH, WHICH WAS ALSO LINKED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND SO, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THEIR PHASE ONE PLAN.
SO THAT INCLUDES THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL THE PROGRAMMING AND UPGRADES TO THE EXISTING, UH, RIVER PARK AT STEAMER LANDING LOCATED BETWEEN THE RIVER AND MCNAIR CHANNEL ALSO INCLUDES A MULTI-USE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ACROSS MCNAIR CHANNEL THAT LINKS TO THEIR HOPPER STREET PROPERTY, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF A TEMPORARY, UH, OR WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT OFF OF HOPPER STREET THAT WILL ALLOW FOR PARK VISITORS TO PARK ON THIS SIDE AND THEN MAKE THE WALK ACROSS TO THE, TO THE MAIN PARK AREA.
AND THEN, UM, IN THIS FIRST PHASE EXPANSION OF THE PETALUMA RIVER TRAIL TO GO CONNECT OVER TO THE EXISTING RIVER TRAIL IN THE RIVERFRONT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN PHASE TWO WOULD COMPLETE THE BUILD OUT ON THIS SIDE.
AND SO, UH, THEY HAVE NOT YET RELEASED THEIR PLANS FOR, UH, FOR PHASE TWO, JUST OPENING UP THE, YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THE CONCEPT PLAN AT YOUR OWN LEISURE, BUT I'LL SEE IF I CAN JUST, WE'VE GOT LIKE A KIND OF A KEY.
THIS IS A GOOD, A GOOD DIAGRAM TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S ENVISIONED IN PHASE ONE.
AND SO THEIR APPLICATION TO THE PRIORITY CONSERVATION AREA GRANT PROGRAM, I BELIEVE IS, UM, UH, WRITTEN PRETTY, PRETTY BROADLY TO, UH, TO SUPPORT A LOT OF THESE ACTIVITIES.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION, UH, I MEAN I GUESS THIS IS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION, NOT PART OF THE CHECKLIST, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS.
IT SAYS CLASS ONE, WHICH, UH, I KNOW WHAT THAT IS, UH, BUT CURIOUS AS TO IF THERE'S MORE TO IT.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, THAT'S FINE, I CAN ASK THEM.
UM, I, YEAH, I, I KNOW THAT THE INTENT IS FOR IT TO BE CLASS ONE AND TWO, UH, AT LEAST FOR THE PRIMARY KIND OF RIVER TRAIL AND PROMEN, WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING OUT IN THIS AS THE PROMENADE, SO THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THAT PRIMARY, UM, PATH OF TRAVEL THROUGH THE PARK, WILL BE THROUGH THE PROMENADE, OVER THE BRIDGE, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING ON, UH, TOWARDS THE RIVERFRONT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, ON SOME OF THE TECHNICAL GUIDANCE THAT APPLIES TO MULTI-USE PATHWAYS IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM WIDTHS, THE STRIPING, UM, UH,
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ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF.AND SO WE, BUT WE CAN ALSO, PART OF THIS EXERCISE TONIGHT IN, IN YOUR REVIEW OF THIS CHECKLIST IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS FEEDBACK BACK TO PEDAL AND RIVER PARK.
SO IF THE COMMITTEE DOES HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE AS FAR AS THEIR DESIGN OF THIS, UH, MULTI-USE PATHWAY, I'D BE HAPPY TO PASS THOSE BACK TO THEIR TEAM.
WELL, I'LL TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM,
UH, AND THEN ALSO LIKE DURABILITY, LONGEVITY, WHATEVER THE BASE IS PUT UNDER THERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LAYERS AND, UH, BUT I DO SEE PRETTY NEW PATHS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE FALLING APART.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A FREEWAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY SUBJECT TO, UM, SUBSIDENCE, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT.
AND, UM, AND, UH, SO YEAH, I, I THINK GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S STILL GONNA LOOK NICE IN, YOU KNOW, 10, 20 YEARS, UM, WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, AND I DID ALSO NOTICE IN THE CHECKLIST, UH, THAT IT DOESN'T MENTION THERE'S, THERE'S A SECTION ON TRANSIT COORDINATION AND THAT IS LEFT BLANK.
UM, PRESUMABLY BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE COORDINATION.
HOWEVER, THE, THE COPELAND STATION SEEMS IT LIKE IT'S RIGHT OVER ON ONE, KIND OF ONE END OF THAT PATH, MORE OR LESS.
UM, AND THE SMART STATION, OF COURSE, UH, SO IS THERE IS A REALLY GOOD REASON FOR LEAVING THAT BLANK.
IS THERE, WOULD IT HELP THEIR CASE TO SHOW THAT IT SORT OF CONNECTS TO TRANSIT THERE? I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY SORTED, IT'S AN EASY WALK FROM EITHER OF THOSE STOPS.
NO, REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, WHAT MTC IS LOOKING FOR WITH, UH, THAT, UH, TRANSIT COORDINATION IS ON, UH, FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE LOCATED ON CORRIDORS THAT MORE DIRECTLY THAT COULD HAVE, UH, MORE OF AN IMPACT ON TRANSIT OPERATIONS.
SO IF YOU WERE DOING A COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR WITH EXISTING BUS STOPS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF SITUATION WHERE MTC WANTS TO SEE, HAVE YOU ENGAGED THE TRANSIT AGENCY BECAUSE THE STREET DESIGN THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED WILL ULTIMATELY WILL AFFECT THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND THEY JUST WANT, THEY WANT, THEY WANNA SEE EVIDENCE OF CONCURRENCE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THE APPLICATION, THE, THE COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST IS REALLY MORE OF A, IT'S AN ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BOOST THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THEIR NARRATIVE THEY CAN TALK ABOUT.
AND I'M SURE IN THEIR APPLICATION THEY DO, UH, HIGHLIGHT THEIR PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT AND, UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THEIR, PART OF THEIR STORY.
'CAUSE UH, ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD CONNECT ALL THE WAY WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS, UM, ACROSS THE FREEWAY AND TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, MOBILE HOMES AND HOUSES OVER THERE.
SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD, UM, SUPPLEMENT TRANSIT, UH, BUT UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S NOT, UM, NECESSARY IN THIS CHECKLIST.
SO I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, WHICH MEANS, UH, THAT, UM, QUESTIONS OF STAFF, UH, WE CAN OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
UH, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO.
UM, AND ANY IN PERSON SPEAKERS? LIKEWISE, NOTHING.
WE'LL GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES NEXT.
UM, I WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
I DO NOT EXPECT ANY DISCUSSION IS REQUIRED.
UH, WE CAN CLOSE THIS NOW, UH, AND MOVE ON TO OUR MAIN AGENDA ITEM REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE CALL FIELD LANE AND ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH SAFETY AND PAVEMENT UPGRADE PROJECTS.
UM, WE NOW INVITE THE FEEDBACK STAFF LIAISON TO PRESENT.
AND APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE TO ANYONE WHO ATTENDED OUR COMMUNITY WORKSHOP LAST THURSDAY, BECAUSE THIS PRESENTATION IS IDENTICAL TO THAT ONE
UH, SO, UH, WHAT I CAN DO IS, UH, TRY TO GO A LITTLE LIGHTER ON SOME OF THE CONTEXT BECAUSE, UM, AND, AND BACKGROUND THAT'S PROVIDED AND, AND MAYBE JUST TRY TO GET TO SPEND MORE TIME ON, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND, AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK THERE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH A QUICK OVERVIEW, TALK ABOUT, UH, AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL BE BRIEF ON THE CITY POLICIES THAT GUIDE OUR WORK.
OBVIOUSLY THIS COMMITTEE'S, UH, MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE THAN, UM, WE WOULD EXPECT THE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE TO BE, UH, TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ON THESE TWO CORRIDORS AND THEN TALK, UM, NEXT STEPS AND, AND THEN OPEN UP DISCUSSION.
SO OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS ON CAULFIELD LANE BETWEEN PARRAN STREET AND GARFIELD DRIVE, AS WELL AS ELI BOULEVARD
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SOUTH BETWEEN EAST WASHINGTON STREET AND FREIGHTS ROAD.UH, WHY CALL FIELD AND ELI? SO THESE TWO PROJECTS WERE, UM, IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITIES, UH, GIVEN COLLISION, UH, HIGH, HIGH COLLISION HISTORY.
BOTH ARE ON THE SONOMA COUNTY HIGH INJURY NETWORK, MEANING COLLISIONS ON THESE TWO STREETS HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY AND WITH GREATER SEVERITY THAN THEY DO ON MOST COUNTY ROADS.
UM, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY ALSO HEAVILY TRAFFICKED, RTL ARTERIAL ROADWAYS THAT CONNECT OUR, UH, COMMUNITY WITH, UM, SCHOOLS, PARKS, SERVICES, JOBS, SHOPPING, UH, AND, AND SO THERE'S A, A, A, A GREATER COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO INVEST IN STREETS LIKE THESE THAN SAY ON, UM, UH, LESS TRAFFICKED STREETS.
AND, UH, REALLY BE BECAUSE OF A COMBINATION OF, OF THOSE TWO FACTORS, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN GRANT FUNDING FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND AS THIS COMMITTEE KNOWS, WELL PAVING PROJECTS ARE ABOUT MORE THAN PAVING.
THEY'RE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, UPCOMING PROJECTS WHERE WE WILL BE EITHER DIGGING UP A ROADWAY OR AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, REPLACING THE STRIPING TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES, TO IMPROVE SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND, UH, AND WHERE WE CAN CONGESTION.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECT SCOPES.
SO I'M JUST GONNA TALK THROUGH, UM, BOTH OF THE CORRIDORS INDIVIDUALLY AS FAR AS, UH, THE AMOUNT OF OUR PROJECT GOALS, THE TYPES OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN TACKLE WITH EACH OF THESE, BECAUSE THEY ARE QUITE DIFFERENT.
SO, FIRST ON CAULFIELD LANE, THIS IS A, A FULL ON PAVING PROJECT, SO IT HAS A, A MUCH HIGHER BUDGET THAN ELI.
I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
UM, WE HAVE A, A LARGE SECTION OF CAULFIELD LANE WHERE THE PAVEMENT HAS, WHERE THE ROADWAY HAS FAILED, UH, EAST OF SOUTH MCDOWELL.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WEST OF SOUTH MCDOWELL.
SO IN THAT SECTION, WEST OF SOUTH MCDOWELL WILL REALLY JUST BE LOOKING AT, UM, EITHER DOING SLURRY SEAL OR A GRIND AND OVERLAY, DEPENDING ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION, UH, TO EXTEND THE, THE, THE LIFESPAN OF THAT PAVEMENT.
AND THEN EAST OF, EAST OF MCDOWELL, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION, WHERE WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BASE AND COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCTING THE ROADWAY.
UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ON CALL FIELD LANE.
SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE GOALS HERE.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO ADDRESSING THE PAVEMENT, WE WANT TO IMPROVE SAFETY, REDUCE CONGESTION, IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY.
WE WANNA SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BEAUTIFY THE STREET.
UM, WE'VE GOT PRETTY LONG STRETCHES WITHOUT STREET TREES OR LANDSCAPING.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SECTION, AT LEAST ONE SECTION THAT HAS, UH, KIND OF TEMPORARY STREET LIGHTING.
SO WE'LL BE UPGRADING THAT TO, TO LONG-TERM PERMANENT STREET, LIGHT STREET LIGHTING.
AND THEN, UM, WHERE WE CAN IMPROVING STORMWATER, UH, OR IMPLEMENTING STORMWATER BEST PRACTICES BY, UH, MAKING SURE OUR STORM WATER'S GETTING INTO, UH, BIOS, SWES WHERE WE CAN, AND FILTERING OUT POLLUTANTS BEFORE IT, UH, GETS INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, OR EVEN GETTING IT INTO THE, UH, INTO THE GROUNDWATER SUPPLY INSTEAD OF, UH, INTO THE RIVER.
SO ON ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH, UH, THAT PAVEMENT'S IN GOOD SHAPE STILL.
SO THAT ELI IS JUST A SLURRY SEAL PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'LL OBVIOUSLY GO OUT AND REMOVE ALL THE EXISTING STRIPING, WE'LL SEAL ALL THE CRACKS, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A THIN, UH, SEAL SEALANT, UM, OR TAR MIXTURE THAT IS APPLIED TO THE, UH, TO THE ROADWAY TO, UH, TO EXTEND THAT, UH, THAT LIFESPAN OF THAT PAVEMENT.
BUT WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE A BLANK CANVAS ON, UH, ON ELI TO STRIFE THE ROADWAY AND IMPROVE SAFETY FOR ALL.
UM, WHERE WE, WHERE WE SEE CONGESTION THAT THIS REALLY ONLY APPLIES TO ONE INTERSECTION ON THE ELI PROJECT, IT'S THE CAULFIELD LANE INTERSECTION.
I'LL TALK, TALK ABOUT THAT SHORTLY.
AND THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO UPGRADE SOME CURB RAMPS WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DO WITH SLURRY SEAL PROJECTS, BUT, UH, GIVEN THE LIKELIHOOD OF US, UH, ADDING NEW CROSSWALKS, RELOCATING CROSSWALKS, UM, WE'LL LIKELY TRY TO ADD SOME, UH, SOME RAMPS INTO THIS PROJECT, UH, UH, ACCESSIBLE CURB RAMPS INTO THIS PROJECT TO SUPPORT THOSE NEW OR RELOCATED CROSSWALKS.
AND THEN, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A, A, AN IDEA, THE BUDGET FOR CALL FIELD IS IN THE $4 MILLION RANGE, ELI, WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE, UH, UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND SO JUST I'LL QUICKLY KIND OF GET THROUGH THESE CITY POLICIES THAT GUIDE OUR WORK WHEN WE ARE AND HOW WE APPROACH, UH, STREET PROJECTS.
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FIRST AND FOREMOST, OUR COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2016 BY CITY COUNCIL AND DIRECT STAFF TO PLAN, DESIGN, CONSTRUCT, OPERATE, AND MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR STREET PROJECTS AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS TO SUPPORT SAFE AND CONVENIENT ACCESS FOR ALL ROAD USERS, INCLUDING PEOPLE WALKING, BIKING, ROLLING, AND TAKING TRANSIT.OUR VISION ZERO, UH, GOALS WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN 2022.
WE AIM TO ELIMINATE SEVERE INJURIES AND DEATHS FROM TRAFFIC COLLISIONS BY 2030.
WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 10 OF THOSE LIFE ALTERING COLLISIONS EACH YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT REDUCING SPEED IS A KEY INGREDIENT IN NOT ONLY REDUCING THE LIKELIHOOD OF AND AND FREQUENCY OF COLLISIONS, BUT THE SEVERITY OF THEM.
AND THIS GRAPHIC IS, UH, DEMONSTRATES THAT SHOWING THE SURVIVAL, THE EXPECTED SURVIVAL RATE, UH, WHEN A PERSON TRAVELING OUTSIDE A CAR IS STRUCK BY A DRIVER AT THESE DIFFERENT SPEEDS, UH, WITH A 90% SURVIVAL RATE AT 20 MILES AN HOUR, DOWN TO A 20% SURVIVAL RATE AT 40 MILES AN HOUR.
NEXT, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR GOALS AROUND ACHIEVING CARBON NEUTRALITY WITH TRANSPORTATION BEING OUR LEADING SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AT ABOUT TWO THIRDS.
UH, SO THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN SHIFTING MORE TRIPS TO, UH, TO ACTIVE MODES.
AND WE KNOW THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UH, ABOUT ONE THIRD OF OUR TRIPS THAT ORIGINATE WITHIN CITY LIMITS ARE UNDER TWO MILES, WHICH IS A DISTANCE THAT CAN BE BIKED IN 10 MINUTES OR LESS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND SAFE STREETS HAVE BEEN A TOP PRIORITY FOR CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS NOW, DATING BACK TO SOME OF THEIR INITIAL, UM, OR EARLY GOAL SETTING AND PRIORITY SETTING EXERCISES BACK IN 2021.
AND LAST SEPTEMBER, COUNCIL ADOPTED THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW WELL, UM, INCLUDED OUR VISION TO MAKE PETALUMA A WORLD CLASS ACTIVE LIVING CITY, WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES ENJOY USING ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
SO THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT INFORM OUR APPROACH TO STREET DESIGN, LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
OBVIOUSLY THE AMOUNT OF ROOM WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH, THE ROAD WIDTH, UH, OTHER TECHNICAL CONSTRAINTS, THE CITY PLANS AND POLICIES THAT I JUST REFERENCED, INPUT THAT WE GET FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, AS WELL AS INPUT THAT WE GET FROM THE RESIDENTS, UM, SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING VERY DIFFERENT FEEDBACK FROM THOSE TWO GROUPS.
WE HAVE, UH, HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ENGINEERING BEST PRACTICES, REQUIREMENTS AND OUR OWN PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AND HOW COST EFFECTIVE DIFFERENT, UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE.
SO, UH, KIND OF BROKEN THIS INTO TWO SECTIONS.
FIRST UP, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CROSS SECTIONS OR THE LANE CONFIGURATIONS OF BOTH OF THESE CORRIDORS, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO INTERSECTION TREATMENTS.
SO JUST FIRST ON THE CROSS, OR SORRY, SOME DATA TO HELP, UH, KIND OF, UH, INFORM THIS.
SO THE BUSIEST SECTION OF CALL FIELD.
UM, WE'VE GOT 10,000 VEHICLES A DAY, UH, ON THE STRETCH BETWEEN, UM, UH, PAY STREET IN ST.
THAT NUMBER'S ACTUALLY LIKELY MUCH LOWER.
WE GOT SOME RECENT DATA SUGGESTING THAT IT IS, UH, WE HAVE SOME TUBE COUNTS THAT WERE JUST TAKEN EAST OF ST.
FRANCIS AND MCDOWELL THAT WERE DOWN AT ABOUT 5,300 A DAY.
SO ODDS ARE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT 4,700 PEOPLE A DAY TURNING OFF AT ST.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S LIKELY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THE FIVE AND 10,000 RANGE, UM, ON THAT BUSIEST SECTION OF CALL FIELD ON ELI.
UM, THE BUSIEST SECTION OVER CLOSER TO EAST WASHINGTON, THE NUMBER WE HAVE THERE IS 8,600, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL GET SOME NEW DATA THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT NUMBER'S ALSO LIKELY A BIT LOWER.
AVERAGE ANNUAL NUMBER OF INJURY COLLISIONS ON BOTH CORRIDORS, WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING JUST UNDER EIGHT INJURY COLLISIONS A YEAR BETWEEN THESE TWO STREETS.
UH, AND I'LL NOTE THAT, THAT AT 1.4 OF THOSE, UH, EACH YEAR OCCURS AT THE CALL FIELD AND ELI INTERSECTION.
AND THEN FOR SEVERE COLLISIONS ON ANY GIVEN YEAR, WE CAN, WE CAN GENERALLY EXPECT ONE SEVERE COLLISION OCCURRING ON ONE OF THESE TWO CORRIDORS.
AND IN THE FASTEST SECTION OF CALL FIELD, UH, OUR 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, WHICH IS USED TO SET SPEED LIMITS, IS AT 44 MILES AN HOUR.
AND PRETTY SIMILAR ON ELI AT 42.
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SPEEDS ON ELI ARE VERY STEADY.UM, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH VARIATION GOING FROM WASHINGTON OUT TO CASA AND EVEN FREIGHTS, UH, ON CALL FIELD.
HOWEVER, THE SPEEDS DO DROP AS YOU MOVE EAST.
SO THE HIGHEST SPEEDS ARE, AS PAY RAN TO MCDOWELL, THEY DROP A LITTLE BIT GOING FROM MCDOWELL TO CORNELL, THEY DROP AGAIN FROM CORNELL TO ELI, AND THEN THEY DROP EVEN MORE FROM, UM, FROM ELI TO GARFIELD.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING LANE REDUCTIONS ON BOTH OF THESE STREETS BASED ON THE, UH, THOSE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC FIGURES.
UH, THESE ARE HAVE BECOME A VERY, A STANDARD PRACTICE NATIONWIDE, UH, AND ARE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ON STREETS CARRYING FEWER THAN 18 TO 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
SO WE ARE COMFORTABLY UNDER THAT NUMBER.
WE ARE AT LESS THAN HALF OF THAT ON BOTH OF THESE CORRIDORS.
UM, AND THAT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN KIND OF MODELING OUT INTO THE FUTURE, SAY ON CALL FIELD, IF YOU WERE TO SEE THE CALL FIELD, UH, BRIDGE, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND A BUNCH OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, YOU'RE STILL WAY, WAY UNDER THIS, THIS 1820, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO APPROACH THAT, UM, IN, IN THIS CITY.
SO, AND WE CAN SAY THAT PRETTY CONFIDENTLY BASED ON THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT VOLUME AS WELL AS THE, UH, ALL THE MODELING THAT'S BEEN DONE ON, ON FUTURE VOLUMES, THE BENEFITS OF LANE REDUCTIONS ARE THAT THEY, UH, THEY ELIMINATE WEAVING AND REDUCE UNSAFE DRIVING BEHAVIOR.
THEY TAKE AWAY THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN AGGRESSIVE DRIVER.
THEY SLOW YOU DOWN, YOU'VE GOTTA STAY IN YOUR LANE, YOU'VE GOTTA, UM, GO THE SPEED OF THE CAR IN FRONT OF YOU, SO YOU, YOU ELIMINATE THAT RACEWAY EFFECT AND THAT WEAVING BEHAVIOR THAT SOME DRIVERS ARE TEMPTED TO, UH, TO, TO USE WHEN THEY'RE ON A MULTI-LANE ROADWAY.
THEY, BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, KIND OF, THEY, THEY'VE FORCED PEOPLE INTO MORE, UM, UH, UH, INTO SAFER DRIVING BEHAVIOR, UH, YOU SEE A REDUCTION IN THE FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF COLLISIONS.
UH, AND ANOTHER KEY POINT OF THAT IS THAT YOU'RE REDUCING CONFLICT POINTS, MEANING THE, THE NUMBER OF WAYS IN WHICH, OR THE NUMBER OF PLACES IN WHICH, UH, CRASHES CAN OCCUR.
AND SO THIS ILLUSTRATION, UH, IS THE MULTI THREAT COLLISION.
THIS IS A, A REALLY, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO SOLVE FOR WHEN WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THESE LANE REDUCTION PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S THE IDEA THAT, UH, ON A MULTI-LANE ROADWAY, WHEN YOU ARE, UM, TRYING TO CROSS, WHETHER IT'S ON FOOT OR EVEN GETTING OUTTA YOUR DRIVEWAY OR, OR COME COMING OUT OF A, COMING, DRIVING OFF OF A A SIDE STREET, HAVING TO CROSS MULTIPLE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION IS JUST, IS CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING.
AND WHAT'S PROBLEMATIC IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU GET A SITUATION WHERE A DRIVER IN ONE LANE STOPS AND THEN THE DRIVER IN THE NEXT LANE OVER DOESN'T.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE SEEN THOSE TYPES OF COLLISIONS ON THESE CORRIDORS.
UM, ONE THAT STANDS OUT FOR ME, IT WAS A VIDEO WE WERE SENT FROM ONE OF OUR TRANSIT OPERATORS WHO, UH, WITNESSED THIS FIRSTHAND.
IT WAS CAUGHT ON, UH, ON, ON THEIR DASHBOARD CAM, UH, SOMEONE CROSSING ELI WHILE THE BUS WAS WAITING, YOU KNOW, YIELDING TO THEM IN A CROSS.
THEY WERE IN A MARKED CROSSWALK, UM, I BELIEVE WITH FLASHING BEACONS ACTIVATED.
UH, AND SO THE DRIVER STOPPED IN THE, IN THE FIRST LANE CLOSEST TO THE CURB.
YOU SEE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSS IN FRONT OF THE BUS AND THEN, UH, GET HIT BY, UH, A DRIVER PROBABLY GOING IN EXCESS OF, OF 30, 35 MILES AN HOUR, UH, IN THAT SECOND LANE.
AND SO BY REDUCING A, A ROADWAY TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATED THAT, THAT THREAT.
SECOND KIND OF KEY DESIGN PRINCIPLE THAT, UM, WE ARE SEEKING TO IMPLEMENT WITH THESE PROJECTS AND, AND WITH SOME OF THE EXTRA SPACE THAT IS AFFORDED BY IMPLEMENTING A LANE REDUCTION, IS OUR ABILITY TO CREATE BIKE LANES THAT HAVE, THAT OFFER GREATER SEPARATION FROM VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, ILLUSTRATED HERE WITH THESE, UH, ON THE TOP THERE, PROTECTED BIKE LANE, UH, PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANE, AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM THERE, UH, PROTECTED BIKE LANE WITH A PHYSICAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE BIKE LANE AND THE VEHICLE LANE.
AND, AND REALLY THE BENEFIT HERE TO, OBVIOUSLY TO PEOPLE ON BIKES JUST BEING, UH, IN A SAFER FACILITY WITH, UM, MUCH LESS RISK OF BEING HIT BY, UH, DRIVERS.
AND, AND LIKEWISE FOR DRIVERS, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT, THAT BUFFER AND, UM, AND, UH, GREATER SEPARATION SO THAT DRIVERS DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT
SO, GETTING INTO THE CROSS SECTIONS, WE'LL START WITH CAULFIELD AND WORK OUR WAY EAST FROM THE PAYAN STREET INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT CAPTURING WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT, BUT, UM, MORE OF THE TYPICAL MID-BLOCK CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE SIX FOOT STRIPED BIKE LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS,
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AS WELL AS FOUR 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES.AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM THERE, YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPOSED CONDITION, WHICH WOULD, UM, NARROW THE ROADWAY DOWN TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR A, A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SIDE STREETS OR DRIVEWAYS OFF OF, OFF THAT STRETCH.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PHYSICAL BUFFERS BETWEEN THE VEHICLE LANE AND THE BIKE LANE.
IDEALLY SOMETHING, UH, A SPACE WHERE WE COULD GET SOME LANDSCAPING AND TREASON TO HELP BEAUTIFY THAT STRETCH OF ROADWAY.
NEXT UP, GOING FROM MCDOWELL TO PARK LANE.
THIS IS A SECTION WHERE THERE IS SOME ON STREET PARKING ACTIVITY.
UH, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING EAST FROM THAT INTERSECTION, THERE IS SOME PARKING ACTIVITY ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE WESTBOUND SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
SO IN THIS CASE, UH, WE WOULD GO TO A PARKING PROTECTED CONFIGURATION IN THAT LOCATION ON THE WESTBOUND SIDE.
AND THEN A, UM, A, UH, AGAIN, A, SOME SORT OF A VERTICAL CURB IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT PARK LANE INTERSECTION, YOU GO BACK TO A CONDITION WHERE IT'S WALLS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, NO DRIVEWAYS, NO HOMES.
UH, SO YOU GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UH, BACK THAT YOU SEE SAW BACK BETWEEN PAYAN AND MCDOWELL.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO CORNELL, THE CORRIDOR DOES CHANGE PRETTY DRAMATICALLY AT THAT POINT.
YOU HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE HOMES FRONTING THE STREET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CORRIDORS, REALLY FROM THAT POINT EAST, SO FROM ELLA TO GARFIELD.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UM, MOVE THE PARKING, UH, OR, OR OBVIOUSLY PARKING, UH, RETAIN PARKING FOR ALL OF THOSE HOMES AND GO TO A PAINT BUFFERED BIKE LANE ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THEN MOVING TO ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH, UM, BETWEEN EAST WASHINGTON AND CLYDESDALE, THE, SO THE CORRIDOR DOES KIND OF WIDEN UP A LITTLE BIT AT CLYDESDALE.
UM, SO ON THIS FIRST STRETCH, THIS IS THE NARROWER OF THE TWO STRETCHES OF ELI.
UM, UH, OR I GUESS THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE STRETCHES, SO I'LL GO THROUGH ALL THREE OF THOSE.
BUT, UM, IN THIS FIRST SECTION, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR, UH, 10 FOOT LANES, AND THEN A, BASICALLY A COMBINED 12 FEET FOR THE PARKING LANE AND THE BIKE LANE, WHICH IS SUBSTANDARD.
UM, AND SO WITH THIS, UH, WITH OUR PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW ON THAT LAST SECTION OF CALL FIELD WITH THREE 10 FOOT LANES AND THEN PAINT, PAINT, BUFFERED BIKE LANES, REASON, UH, AND I, I SHOULD HAVE NOTED ON CALL FIELD, UH, AS WITH THIS SECTION, WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS ON, UM, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS OF, OF ELI AND CAULFIELD.
AND IT BECOMES MUCH HARDER TO IMPLEMENT PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANES WITH MORE DRIVEWAYS.
UH, SO THE NICE THING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DID, UM, UH, PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANES ON RAINIER AVENUE, THERE ARE NOT MANY DRIVEWAYS, THOSE ARE QUAD LOTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS.
SOON AS YOU START TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE ONE DRIVEWAY AFTER ANOTHER, UM, IT REALLY LIMITS YOUR ABILITY TO, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO RETAIN MUCH ON STREETE PARKING WHILE ALSO ACHIEVING THE SITE DISTANCE THAT PEOPLE NEED TO SEE, UH, SEE OUTTA THEIR DRIVEWAY AS THEY'RE TRYING TO TO PULL OUT.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE, UH, THE PAINT, BUFFERED BIKE LANES IN THOSE SETTINGS.
WHEN WE GO FROM CLYDESDALE TO CASA, THE ROAD WIDENS BY ABOUT 10 FEET.
SO IN THAT LOCATION, WE JUST WIDEN EVERYTHING OUT.
UH, AND THIS IS, SO I'LL NOTE HERE, THIS CROSS SECTION IS FOR THE AREAS WITH FREQUENT DRIVEWAYS.
SO THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE HOMES FRONTING ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW SECTIONS FROM CLYDESDALE TO CASA GRANDE WHERE, UH, THAT RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY CHANGES, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG THE CASA GRANDE CAMPUS, NO DRIVEWAYS REALLY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME SECTIONS WHERE YOU DO HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE QUAD LOTS, YOU HAVE STREET OR HOMES THAT DON'T ACTUALLY FRONT ELI.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY FRONTING A SIDE STREET.
SO IN THOSE SETTINGS, WE ACTUALLY THINK WE COULD MAYBE PIVOT TO A PARKING PROTECTED CONFIGURATION, MOVE THE BIKE LANE OVER TO THE CURB, PUSH THE PARK PARKING LANE OUT, UM, AND STILL OFFERING PLENTY OF SPACE HERE.
SO I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, UP HERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT A 13 FOOT WIDE COMBINED WITH, FOR THE, UH, PARKING AND, AND BIKE LANE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF YOUR BUFFER FROM, UH, OR THAT'S THE AVAILABLE SPACE FOR THOSE PARKED CARS.
SO IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING CONDITION AS FAR AS THE EXPERIENCE FOR,
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UH, SOMEONE GETTING OUT OF A PARKED CAR, UH, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF A PARKED CAR THERE.I MEAN, I THINK, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY IN THOSE SECTIONS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE, UH, A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, FROM CASA TO FREIGHTS, THIS, THE ROADWAY DOES CHANGE PRETTY DRAMATICALLY THERE.
UH, WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING TREE LINED MEDIAN, UH, SO THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
IT DOES KIND OF CONFINE US TO WHAT'S POSSIBLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
AND SO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS BASICALLY JUST TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND INSTEAD OF, AND TAKING THOSE 11 FEET AND, UH, CONVERTING IT TO A, A BUFFER, A VERY WIDE BUFFERED BIKE LANE.
SO THEN GOING TO THE INTERSECTION AND CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE INTERSECTIONS HERE WHERE WE ARE RECOMMENDING ROUNDABOUTS.
AND SO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF UPFRONT SHARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF ROUNDABOUTS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE AT CALMING TRAFFIC AND SLOWING TRAFFIC TO SAFER SPEEDS, BUT ALSO IMPROVING THE EFFICIENCY COMPARED TO A SIGNAL OR STOP JUST KEEP DOING A BETTER JOB OF MOVING HIGH VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC WITH A LESSER AMOUNT OF DELAY AND CONGESTION.
THEY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CRASHES THAT CAN OCCUR IN AN INTERSECTION.
UH, THEY COMPLETELY ELIMINATE HEAD-ON COLLISIONS.
THEY ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF T-BONE COLLISIONS, UM, BOTH OF WHICH TEND TO BE MORE SEVERE.
AND SO WITH A ROUNDABOUT, WHAT'S NICE IS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE COLLISIONS LESS LIKELY TO OCCUR, BUT WHEN THEY DO ACOC OCCUR, OCCUR, THEY'RE HAPPENING AT SLOWER SPEEDS AND, UH, AND AT MORE, UM, SKEWED ANGLES, THEY'RE NOT HAPPENING, UM, HEAD ON OR BROADSIDE.
UH, SO YOU JUST TEND TO SEE MUCH LESS SEVERITY WITH COLLISIONS THAT OCCUR AT ROUNDABOUTS.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GO COMING TO ALWAYS COMING TO A COMPLETE STOP AND THEN RESTARTING, YOU SEE LESS CONGESTION, THERE'S LESS NOISE, AND ALSO LESS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, IMPLEMENTING THROUGHOUT BOTH OF THESE CORRIDORS, WHEREVER WE HAVE, UH, EXISTING OR PROPOSED CROSSWALKS INCLUDE MEDIAN ISLANDS WITH FLASHING BEACONS, OFFERING AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, AN AREA OF REFUGE FOR PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET BETWEEN THOSE, UH, THOSE LANES AND, AND THOSE DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC.
UH, ALSO EITHER CONCRETE OR PAINTED BULL BOUTS, WHICH SHORTEN THE CROSSING DISTANCE, SLOW TURNING MOVEMENTS, AND, UH, HELP IMPROVE VISIBILITY BETWEEN DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS.
SO MORE LIKELY ON ELI THAT YOU WOULD SEE PAINTED BULL BOUTS, GIVEN THAT THAT'S A SLURRY SEAL PROJECT, MORE LIKELY ON CALL FIELD THAT YOU WOULD SEE CONCRETE BULL BOUTS, GIVEN THAT IS A, IT IS A PAVING PROJECT.
SO LOOKING AT THE EXISTING INTERSECTION AND CROSSING CONDIT CONDITIONS ON CALL.
CAULFIELD, UM, GOING FROM PAYAN, UH, STARTING WITH PAYAN TO OUR LEFT, WE'VE GOT THE SIGNAL.
WE'VE GOT AN ALWAYS STOP AT ST.
THERE'S AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK UP AT VICTORIA WITH FLASHING BEACONS.
WE'VE GOT THE, THE GIANT ALWAYS STOP INTERSECTION AT ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH, AND THEN AN ALWAYS STOP AT GARFIELD.
AND THEN GOING TO OUR PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
UM, THE, THE MAJOR CHANGES HERE SHOWN IN BLUE, UH, INTERESTED IN CONVERTING THAT ST.
FRANCIS INTERSECTION TO A ROUNDABOUT IF WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO IT, UM, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL, UM, ADDING, UH, AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK BETWEEN DANIEL AND PARK, WHICH, UH, LINE UP PRETTY WELL AND PROVIDE GOOD CONNECTIVITY INTO BOTH OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, RELOCATING THAT EXISTING UNCONTROLLED CROSS CROSSWALK AT VICTORIA AND MOVING IT CLOSER TO MARGUERITE TO BETTER SERVE LAER ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS LOCATED ON MARGUERITE, ADDING A ROUNDABOUT AT THE ELI BOULEVARD SOUTH INTERSECTION.
AND THEN LASTLY, ADDING AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK, UM, UP AT BORDEAUX AND BLUEGRASS AGAIN TO OFFSET STREETS THAT KIND OF GETS YOU INTO THOSE RESPECTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN FOR ELI, EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE'VE GOT THE SIGNAL AT WASHINGTON UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALKS AT GIL RICKS, UH, AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK AT WASHINGTON CREEK TRAIL, WHICH HAS, UH, A MEDIAN REFUGE ISLAND IN FLASHING BEACONS.
UH, SORRY, I REALIZED I COULD, COULD HAVE BEEN USING MY POINTER HERE.
UH, THERE'S AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK AT SPOONBILL SERVING KIND OF THE, UH, THE, THE, THE NORTH END OF THE CASA GRANDE CAMPUS.
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GOT THE ROUNDABOUT AT CASA AND AN ALWAYS STOP AT FREIGHTS.AND I REALIZE I FORGOT TO MENTION WHAT AN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALK IS FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR.
THOSE ARE SIMPLY CROSSWALKS THAT ARE NOT, UM, EITHER SIGNALED LOCATED AT A SIGNALED INTERSECTION OR A STOP CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE CROSSWALKS WHERE WE HAVE BRIGHT YELLOW SIGNS WHERE WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO MAKE DRIVERS AWARE THAT THEY NEED TO STOP AND YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS WHENEVER THEY'RE WAITING AT THOSE CROSSWALKS.
SO OUR PROPOSED CONDITIONS HERE, UM, REALLY NO CHANGES, UH, KIND OF IN THAT FIRST SECTION.
DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY LOGICAL CROSSING POINTS, BUT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE INTERESTED IN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE OR COMMUNITY IF THEY SEE ANY, UH, ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR CROSSWALKS IN THIS AREA OR, OR PLACES WHERE THEY WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, JUST THE STREETS DON'T REALLY, OTHER THAN ICKS, THE STREETS DON'T LINE UP WITH ONE ANOTHER AND, UM, JUST DON'T SEEM TO OFFER THE SAME CONNECTIVITY WE MIGHT SEE ELSEWHERE.
SO OUR FIRST PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT, UH, ALREADY MENTIONED THAT INTERSECTION, THE CALL CAULFIELD INTERSECTION, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALKS AT MEADOW VIEW AND CAPISTRANO VILLAGE EAST DRIVE, AND JULIET, UH, AND A NEW, ANOTHER NEW CROSSWALK AT CROSS CREEK.
SO LOTS KIND OF CLOSER TO THE CASA GRANDE CAMPUS.
AND, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, NO CHANGES RECOMMENDED, UH, THIS TIME PAST CASA GRANDE.
SO OBVIOUSLY I'M HERE TO, WE HELD THAT MEETING, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE LAST THURSDAY.
WE'LL BE ALSO, UH, PROBABLY TAKING THIS ITEM TO OUR CITY COUNCIL IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO, UH, AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UH, TO GET THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK ON THIS PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY UPDATE CITY COUNCIL ON OUR PLANS AND, AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN UPDATE THEM ON EVERYTHING WE LEARNED AND HEARD THROUGH THIS FIRST, UH, THIS INITIAL PASS AT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO UPGRADE THE COMMUNITY, UPDATE THE COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGH EMAILS TO PROJECT SUBSCRIBERS.
YOU CAN SIGN UP ON THE WEBPAGE, WHICH I WILL SHARE SHORTLY.
AND THEN WE'LL BE SENDING OUT ANY, ANY MAJOR UPDATES THROUGH POSTCARDS, UH, TO CALL FIELD AND ELI RESIDENTS.
AND THE GOAL IS TO CONSTRUCT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS SPRING TO FALL OF 2027.
THE CONSTRUCTION FOR ELI WOULD BE MUCH SHORTER, SO THAT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE CONFINED TO THE SUMMER WINDOW CALL FIELD WILL HAVE A LONGER CONSTRUCTION, UH, PERIOD, AND THAT'LL PROBABLY BE SPRING, SPRING AND SUMMER.
SO YOU PUT LIMIT.ORG/CALL FIELD ELI, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR UPDATES.
MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE EMAILS WHENEVER WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE.
AND WITH THAT, HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, A TON OF COMMENTS, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ELSE, UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, SOMETHING YOU WANT ANSWERED BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, DO THAT.
OTHERWISE, THAT'S, UM, SAVE COMMENTS, UH, FOR, UH, DISCUSSION.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION AFTER WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, SO I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LINE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CODY? JOANNA, I'M CURIOUS HOW THE, HOW DRIVEWAY BIKE LANE PARKING IS NOT AS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE EXITING THE DRIVEWAY AS DRIVEWAY PARK CARS BIKE LANE.
SO YEAH, I WONDER IF I CAN BRING UP LIKE AN AERIAL IMAGE TO SORT OF SHOW YOU.
IF I CAN JUST GO TO GOOGLE MAPS TO EXPLAIN THIS.
SO HERE'S KIND OF A TYPICAL SECTION OF ELI WHERE YOU'VE GOT, UM, DRIVEWAYS ARE ALL KIND OF RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO LET'S TAKE, THIS IS KIND OF, LET'S JUST TAKE THIS AS A TYPICAL, UM, SPACE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS ON ELI.
SO THAT IS ABOUT 70 FEET LONG.
WITH OUR RAINIER PROJECT, WHAT WE LEARNED IS WE, WE WANT BASICALLY 20 FEET OF NO PARKING, UM, AND SOMETIMES EVEN MORE RIGHT NEXT TO A DRIVEWAY, SO THAT AS SOMEONE'S PULLING OUTTA THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY'RE HAVING TO SEE PAST A PARKED CAR NOW THAT'S FURTHER OUT INTO THE STREET.
SO THERE'S JUST A GREATER SIGHT DISTANCE NEED.
IT'S CALLED A, A SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLE.
SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE LET'S SAY A CAR IS PARKED RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS SHOWN, THEY'RE JUST PULLING, YOU KNOW, TO THE EDGE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THEY CAN SEE THEY CAN LOOK FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
AS SOON AS YOU PUSH THAT PARKED CAR OUT INTO THE STREET, THEY'RE HAVING TO PULL MUCH FURTHER OUT, UH, AND HAVING AND, AND HAVE LESS SIGHT DISTANCE ESSENTIALLY.
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SO, UM, IF YOU END UP WITH 20 FEET OF RED ON BOTH SIDES, YOU'RE NOW DOWN TO 30 FEET.SO YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD GO FROM THREE, THREE CARS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY PARK IN THIS SPACE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS DOWN TO ONE CAR THAT COULD PARK, UH, IN BETWEEN THOSE DRIVEWAYS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE RATIONALE, UM, FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF SECTIONS.
UH, GOOD QUESTION, FRANK, PLEASE.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANK YOU.
UM, OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ARE BEING, UM, UH, INSTALLED WITH CAULFIELD, IF ANY? IS THAT IN, IS THAT, IS CAULFIELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH LIKE UNDERGROUND WATER PIPES? WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS REVIEW UTILITY NEEDS.
THERE'S NOTHING MAJOR NEEDED ON CALL FIELD.
YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTI WHERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED LIKE SEWER OR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENTS, UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU TEND TO SEE MORE, UH, OR BIG, UH, LARGE SCALE WATER SERVICE REPLACEMENTS.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE KIND OF COORDINATED WITH PAVING PROJECTS.
WE, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH OUR UTILITY FOLKS AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE ANY, ANY UPGRADES.
BUT, UM, UH, NONE ARE KNOWN AT THIS TIME THAT COULD CHANGE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING MADE, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A SEWER OR WATER MAIN.
THERE MAY BE A HANDFUL OF WATER SERVICES, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING MAJOR FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S, IT'S, SO IT'S NOT WHERE RAINIER, THERE WAS UNDERGROUND WATER BEING, I MEAN, THAT WAS KIND OF WATER SERVICES PLUS A RECYCLED WATER MAIN? YEAH.
SO IF THERE'S DELAYS IN THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE A DELAY.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A, A, A CAUSE FOR A DELAY HERE? NO.
SO THERE, THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN, UM, NOT, THEY WEREN'T MEDIUM STRIPS, BUT THERE WERE LIKE SECTIONS WHERE YOU COULD PLANT TREES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WILL THERE BE RECYCLED WATER AVAILABLE FOR IRRIGATION? SO I KNOW OUR RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM IS ENVISIONED TO CROSS CALL FIELD AT ST.
UM, THAT'S NOT LIKELY GOING TO BE IN PLACE WHEN THIS PROJECT IS, UH, DONE.
SO, UH, OR AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR THAT.
SO, UH, AT THE TIME, FOR THE TIME BEING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE WOULD NEED TO BE IRRIGATED WITH, UH, POTABLE WATER AND THEN, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY SWITCH OVER IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY OF THESE, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO, ANY LANDSCAPING THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL WOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, DROUGHT TOLERANT AND, UH, AND LOW MAINTENANCE AS LOW MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT WOULD THERE, SO, YOU KNOW, SOME TREES, ANY TREES THAT WE PLANT ARE GONNA NEED SOME WATER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WOULD THERE, UM, WILL THERE BE EVEN, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE POTABLE WATER, POTABLE WATER AVAILABLE FOR IRRIGATION? YEAH.
EITHER THAT OR, OR MANUAL, UM, UH, WATERING DURING THE FIRST, UH, FIRST YEAR OR TWO WHILE THE TREES NEED WATER FOR ESTABLISHMENT.
WHAT'S THE, UM, I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME, YOU, YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME, UH, IT'S NOT COM IT'S NOT ENTIRELY KNOWN WHETHER OR NOT A ROUNDABOUTS GONNA BE FEASIBLE FOR ST.
DO YOU HAVE A KIND OF A BEST GUESS? LIKE, SHOULD WE BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT? OR, OR YEAH, I THINK SO.
I MEAN, WE, IT'S, IT IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A TIGHT INTERSECTION FOR ROUNDABOUT, BUT THE GOOD NEWS, AND WE DO NEED TO ACCOMMODATE LARGER VEHICLES THERE, UH, IT IS PART OF A CALL FIELD IS A FREIGHT ROUTE BETWEEN, UM, UH, LAKEVILLE AND MCDOWELL.
SO LUCKILY THOSE BIG TRUCKS AREN'T TURNING OFF OF CALL FIELD AT ST.
THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY'RE GOING STRAIGHT, SO, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THOSE TRUCKS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, UH, GOING, GOING, TRAVELING STRAIGHT IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, UH, AS WELL AS THE TYPICAL FIRE, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT WE LOOK AT AS WE'RE DESIGNING.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK MIGHT BE TIGHT, BUT STILL HOPEFUL.
WHAT'S YOUR, UM, DID YOU GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO ROUNDABOUTS AT MCDOWELL AND CORNELL? SO, MC, YES.
I MEAN, I THINK EVERY UP FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, WITH MCDOWELL THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR A ROUNDABOUT.
HOWEVER, GIVEN THAT IT IS A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, UM, IT'S, UH, JUST AS LOOK IN, IN TERMS OF DELIVERING, UM, A MORE COST EFFECTIVE PROJECT, WE ARE BETTER SERVED FROM A SAFETY AND CONGESTION STANDPOINT TO DIRECT THOSE
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RESOURCES INTO THE ST.FRANCIS AND ELI INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE GREATER NEED.
A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION, A NEW SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION COSTS AROUND $500,000 BETWEEN ALL OF THE HARDWARE, UH, THE, THE POLES, THE MA ARMS, UM, THE CONDUIT, EVERYTHING.
SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TO WALK TO, TO CONVERT A SIGNALED INTERSECTION LIKE THAT TO A ROUNDABOUT.
UM, WE WOULD UNFORTUNATELY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE MONEY THAT WE'D BE SPENDING THERE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO INVEST IN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE OF THOSE OTHER TWO INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE, WE THINK WE HAVE A GREATER NEED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALWAYS STOP INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT, UM, FUNCTIONING AT THEIR BEST IN TERMS OF A, IN TERMS OF SAFETY OR EFFICIENCY.
SO THAT WAS THE RATIONALE OF JUST LEAVING, LEAVING THE EXISTING SIGNAL IN PLACE.
THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'LL BE MAKING THERE.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE VERY CLOSELY RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE BOTH THE SAFETY AND OPERATIONS AT THAT INTERSECTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS CORN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE NEED, UH, THAT ONE IS A LITTLE, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE BASIC, UM, SAFETY ISSUES THERE, LEAVING IT AS AN ALWAYS STOP INTERSECTION AND, AND REALLY, UH, LIKE I SAID, UM, INVESTING HEAVILY IN THE ST.
FRANCIS AND AND ELI INTERSECTIONS.
THO THO THOSE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
AND I, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
THINKING IF, IF, IF THE BUDGET WASN'T A CONSTRAINT, WOULD A ROUNDABOUT BE A MORE FAVORABLE INTERSECTION AT CORNELL? UM, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S NOT THAT INTERSECTION IS, IT'S, IT DOES PRETTY WELL.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN IT'S PRIMARILY IT WOULD BE FOR THE TRAFFIC ON COFFEE FIELD.
I, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK A A A ROUNDABOUT COULD, COULD DO WELL THERE.
I DON'T, AGAIN, NOT SURE OF THE GEOME, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE GEOMETRICS OR AS CLOSELY, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE.
YOU WOULD ASSUME IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE ST.
FRANCIS INTERSECTION, BUT, UM, YEAH, THERE'S JUST, THERE ISN'T, UH, THE SAME LEVEL OF ACTIVITY THERE, UH, AS WE HAVE AT THE, AT THE ST.
SO I'M, AND SO I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT THROUGH THE QUESTION.
I'M, IT'S, I'M ASKING JUST MORE OUTTA CURIOSITY.
UM, CAN YOU BRING UP SLIDE 18? THERE WAS A, SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME, A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO ASK WITH THIS SLIDE UP.
SO THIS IS BETWEEN PAY AND MCDOWELL.
SO, UM, SO IF YOU ARE WE, OR ALL ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, YOU HAVE THE WHITE SORT OF, I GUESS SOUND BEAR SOUND WALL.
UM, SO WHEN I'M, WHEN, UM, SO BETWEEN ST.
FRANCIS AND MCDOWELL TODAY ON THE, I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE'S JUST A GRASS STRIP, RIGHT? THAT YOU KNOW IS OUT ON KNOW FOUR OR FIVE FEET FROM THAT SOUND WALL.
RIGHT? AND SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, SHOULD I INTERPRET IT THAT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND THE, THE BIKE LANE WOULD BE UP AGAINST THE SOUND WALL AND THEN A MEDIUM STRIP OR NO, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
NO, THAT'S, UH, YEAH, WE WOULD BE RETAINING THAT EXISTING CURB LINE.
SO THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT, MY HOPE WOULD BE, WELL, I GUESS I'M GONNA GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENT HERE.
MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE COULD, AND THIS CAME UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT EITHER BEAUTIFY THAT WITH SOME LANDSCAPING OR PUT A SIDEWALK IN FOR PEDESTRIANS.
UM, SO JUST, I WON'T GO DOWN THE COMMENT TRAIL HERE.
UM, AND THEN I WAS HOPING YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SORT OF THE PEDESTRIAN TREATMENTS ON SOME OF THE CROSSWALKS OR, OR SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE IF YOU COULD BRING UP, UH, ON THE MAP AND WE COULD GO TO CELLA AND, UM, CAWFIELD, MAYBE IF YOU COULD GO TO LIKE THE GOOGLE MAPS OH, YEAH.
AND BRING UP THAT INTERSECTION ON GOOGLE MAP.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS WHOLE STRETCH, I MEAN EVEN, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE A THROUGH STREET ON CAULFIELD,
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UM, WHAT WOULD WE, SO YEAH, SO THIS IS K AND CAULFIELD.UM, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF ARTICULATE HOW YOU WOULD SEE THIS INTERCHANGE, THIS, THIS INTERSECTION CHANGING FROM A, FROM A PEDESTRIAN POINT OF VIEW? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS A PEDESTRIAN, YOU ARE CROSS, SAY YOU'RE CROSSING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STAYING ON CORNELL CROSSING CAULFIELD, UM, YOU'RE CROSSING ABOUT 40 FEET WORTH OF VEHICLE LANES, UH, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UH, TRAVELING THROUGH THESE MULTI-LANE INTERSECTIONS, UH, ON ALL MODES AS A DRIVER, CYCLIST, PEDESTRIAN, YOU SEE A LOT OF CONFUSION, UH, AROUND WHOSE TURN IT IS, RIGHT? UM, IF, ESPECIALLY IF TWO PEOPLE GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION GET TO THE STOP AT DIFFERENT TIMES, THERE'S JUST KIND OF, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THERE WITH THE OTHER DRIVERS AND OTHER, UH, AND PEDESTRIANS AROUND WHOSE TURN IT IS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT IT DOWN TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, A LOT OF THAT CONFUSION WILL JUST BE ELIMINATED.
UM, AND THEN IT'LL REALLY FUNCTION MORE LIKE A TRADITIONAL KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD INTERSECTION WITH AN ALWAYS STOP, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S LIKE WHOEVER GOT THERE FIRST, IT'S THEIR TURN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN WAITING TO, TO CROSS, YOU'RE LETTING 'EM GO.
UM, THE CROSSING DISTANCE WILL ALSO BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED OR, OR AT LEAST THE KIND OF THE, THE EXPOSED CROSSING DISTANCE.
SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD, WE WOULD INCLUDE BULL BOUTS, UM, GIVEN THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED ALL THIS REAL ESTATE TO MOVE FOR VEHICLE LANES ANYMORE.
UM, SO THIS CROSSING DISTANCE COULD CUT, BE CUT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, WHERE INSTEAD OF CROSSING 40 FEET OF TRAVEL LANES, YOU'RE CROSSING 20 TO 30 FEET.
UM, AND SO THAT'LL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AS WELL.
IS, IS AN INTERSECTION, ON AN INTERSECTION LIKE THIS, DO YOU FORESEE, UM, LIKE THE FLASHING LIGHTS OR, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT, IS THAT MORE TYPICAL ON A, AT AN INTERSECTION WITHOUT STOP SIGNS? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MORE TYPICAL AT AN UNCONTROLLED.
UM, I MEAN, THERE ARE FLASHING STOP SIGNS THAT WE'VE, I THINK, UH, EITHER RENER PARK OR CARATI IS USING, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY USED IN LOCATIONS WHERE YOU SEE PEOPLE RUNNING STOP SIGNS MM-HMM
UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE REAL, THE BIG QUESTION WITH THIS LOCATION THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH IS WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD HAVE A, UM, UH, A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE ON THE, UH, ON THE CALL FIELD APPROACHES AND JUST NOT SURE IF THE VOLUME NECESSITATES THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT.
AND, UM, ALRIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, I'LL HOLD, I'LL HOLD FOR COMMENTS.
UH, ADAM, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST A, JUST A FEW.
UH, SO IT WAS INTERESTING JUST TO HEAR THAT TRADE OFF, UM, WITH THE SITE DISTANCE AND WHERE YOU PLACED THE BIKE FACILITY WITH PARKING PROTECTED.
JUST WONDERING, HAVE YOU CONDUCTED ANY PARKING STUDIES ALONG ELI BOULEVARD TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO ASSESS WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, COULD BE DONE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER BY GOING OUT AND GETTING COUNSEL OR EVEN JUST LOOKING AT SEVERAL, UM, AERIAL IMAGES WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF AERIAL IMAGERY AND, AND THOSE CAN GIVE A GOOD IDEA OF, OF PARKING OCCUPANCY IN A MORE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
GENERALLY THOUGH, YOU'D WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE LIKE AT NIGHTTIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE HOME FROM WORK.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A MANUAL EXERCISE.
THE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION WAS, UM, ACTUALLY, I GUESS IT'S MAYBE A TWO PART QUESTION.
CAN YOU REMIND ME THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR CLASS FOUR TO BE ABLE TO PUT UP, SAY BOLLARDS? YEAH, IT'S, UH, FIVE AND SO FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE, TWO FOOT BUFFER IS THE MINIMUM FOR ANY SORT OF VERTICAL ELEMENTS.
BUT THEN WITH PARKING PROTECTED, YOU NEED TO GO TO THREE FEET ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CAR.
AND, OR IS, IS CLASS FOUR THEN POSSIBLE ON ANY OF THESE, OR IS IT ONLY BUFFERED? UM, THAT'S POSSIBLE GIVEN THAT DISTANCE.
IT'S, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT MORE THAN SEVEN FEET EVERYWHERE ON BOTH OF THESE ON, ON ALL SECTIONS THAT WERE SHOWN.
IT REALLY JUST BE, IT COMES DOWN TO THAT PARKING ISSUE.
AND THEN CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME WHAT YOU SAID ALSO AROUND WHY THERE WEREN'T AS MANY OR NO CROSSINGS PROPOSED KIND OF ON ELI BOULEVARD
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BETWEEN WASHINGTON CIRCLE, TERRACE AND ICKS? YEAH, LEMME SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN, KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THAT.SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, ICKS IS, IS A THROUGH STREET THAT MM-HMM
PROVIDES CONNECTIVITY ON BOTH SIDES.
AND, AND SO THERE ARE EXISTING UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALKS THERE, UH, THAT WE WILL, UH, LEAVE IN PLACE AND, AND UPGRADE.
BUT THEN YOU GET INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE, UM, THE INTERSECTIONS ARE OFFSET FROM EACH OTHER.
SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, WILLOW, CLYDESDALE, SUTTER, UM, WEAVER LEE AND ESTUARY, AND THERE'S JUST NOT, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE I, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE WHY PEOPLE WOULD CROSS USING THE CREEK MM-HMM
UM, THE CREEK TRAIL, AND WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT NICE CROSSWALK THERE.
UM, BUT THERE JUST AREN'T AS MANY LOGICAL MOVEMENTS BETWEEN THESE, THESE OTHER CROSS STREETS.
SO IT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK, AGAIN, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO, TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY WHERE, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, IT CROSSWALKS TAKEN INTO CLOSER CONSIDERATION IF THERE ARE ANY KIND OF LOGICAL, UH, CROSSING POINTS, CROSSING LOCATIONS.
YEAH, IT IS A LONG STRETCH THOUGH, WHERE WITH, UM, VERY LITTLE TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM KIND OF A TRAFFIC CALMING PERSPECTIVE.
I CAN TAKE A LOOK TOO, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY STRAVA METRO DATA? OH, THAT'S A GOOD, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT AND SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN WE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP, UM, AND LOOK AT THAT SECTION ON ELI BETWEEN, UM, CASA GRANDE AND FREIGHTS? I JUST HAD A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
DO YOU WANT IN THE PRESENTATION OR JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS? JUST, JUST THE MAP ITSELF.
UM, I JUST WAS CURIOUS, UM, ABOUT THE, THE CONDITION OF THE, SO WILL THE PAVEMENT BE REDONE THERE? THAT'S A, YEAH, THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT ALSO CAME UP AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, SO IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE FOR A SLURRY SEAL.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THERE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO YEAH, DEFINITELY NOT SLURRY SEAL WORTHY.
SO EITHER WE COULD TRY TO FIND SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO GET THIS SECTION PAVED OR WE COULD, UM, OR WE WOULD NEED TO JUST, WE WOULD BE STRIPING.
UM, I USE THIS SECTION TO GET FROM THE EAST SIDE TO KAISER, AND IT IS, UM, IT'S TOUGH.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NICE, UH, CORRIDOR ON A BICYCLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN WISE.
I THINK THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE IN GREAT SHAPE THERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, ON A BIKE IT'S, IT'S TROU.
I HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES, UM, SANTA ROSA LOCALLY HAS DONE IT WHERE THEY'VE GOTTEN SOME MONEY FOR, UH, BIKE LANE PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
AND THEY, UM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETIMES THE GRANT ISN'T ABLE TO COVER FULL REPAVING, BUT THEY CAN REP REPAVE A SECTION OF THE ROADWAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO LIKE THE BIKE LANE SECTION.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALSO, UH, YEAH, WE COULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE, YEAH, LIKE IF I LOOK ON THIS SIDE, LIKE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ADEQUATE FOR, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SECTIONS WHERE IT'S MORE PROBLEMATIC.
LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SIDE IS, UM, AT LEAST LOOKING OVER HERE, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE KIND OF THE PROBLEMATIC SECTION.
THE, THE CONFUSION IS LIKE WHERE TO BE AS LIKE AS A CYCLIST.
WELL, I THINK HOPEFULLY OUR, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES WOULD CLEAN SOME OF THAT UP, BASICALLY CONVERTING THIS, THIS RIGHT LANE INTO A BIG BUFFERED BIKE LANE.
UM, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, UM, YOU HAVE A SLIDE ON, UH, THE 85% SPEED.
UH, I WONDER IF WE HAVE OR CAN COLLECT SIMILAR DATA ON, UM, AVERAGE SPEED.
LIKE WHAT IS THE, THE THROUGHPUT THAT, THE SPEED THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM, FROM END TO END ON THESE SEGMENTS AND LOOK, LOOK AT THAT, UM, AS A, SOMETHING WE DESIGN AROUND AS OPPOSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FASTEST PEOPLE ARE GOING.
UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE, THE FASTEST BLOCK, UH, SEEMS LIKE A, AN OUTLIER.
SO IT'S JUST THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE THAT DATA OR CAN IT BE COLLECTED? OH, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
AND, AND, AND I, SO RECENTLY I TOOK A, AN ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE WERE RECOMMENDING A COUPLE OF OF SPEED LIMIT ADJUSTMENTS.
AND, UM, AS I DESCRIBED TO COUNCIL WITH THE 85TH PERCENTILE RULE,
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YOU KNOW, SPEED LIMITS ARE REALLY KIND OF SKEWED TO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DETERMINED BY THE FASTEST DRIVERS.AND SO WHAT WE GENERALLY, WHEN WE'RE SETTING NEW SPEED LIMITS AFTER MAKING CHANGES TO A STREET, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UM, PUSH THAT SPEED LIMIT MORE TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE BELL CURVE TO, TO THE KIND OF THE AVERAGE SPEEDS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES AROUND HOW SPEED LIMITS ARE SET IN CALIFORNIA, BUT WE, WE DO PUSH, TEND TO PUSH THINGS AS AGGRESSIVELY AS WE CAN TO, UH, TO GET THE SPEED LIMITS, UM, AS LOW AS WE CAN TO STAY WITHIN CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE GUIDANCE.
NO, I, SO I, I UNDERSTAND OF THE, THE PROCESS, KIND OF WHERE I'M GETTING AT WITH MY QUESTION IS IF WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE END TO END ON ONE OF THESE CORRIDORS, SOMEONE IS 10, 50 MILES AN HOUR, CAN THEN THE CONSIDERATIONS OF DESIGN BE FOR TRAFFIC THAT'S AT THAT SPEED GOTCHA.
SUCH THAT YOU, UH, DESIGN A ROAD THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DRIVE MORE SLOWLY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SHORTENS THE SIGHT LINES OR EXTENDS THE SIGHT LINE, I DON'T KNOW, IMPROVES THE, UH, YOU KNOW, REACTION TIMES, ET CETERA.
AND IT'S A, THERE'S KIND OF A BALANCE HERE TOO WITH, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT PEOPLE USING ELI AND CALL FIELD TO TRAVEL AT SAFER AND SLOWER SPEEDS, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP ELI AND CALL FIELD MOVING BECAUSE WE WANT DRIVERS USING THOSE STREETS AS OPPOSED TO NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN WE REGULARLY HEAR, ESPECIALLY WITH ELI.
AND I THINK A LOT OF IT STEMS FROM THE FRUSTRATION AND CONGESTION THAT OCCURS AT THE ELI CAULFIELD INTERSECTION WHEN, UH, AROUND KIND OF SCHOOL, UH, DROP OFF AND PICKUP PERIODS.
YOU KNOW, WE'D GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT DRIVERS CASA, CASA BOUND DRIVERS USING NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
AND SO, UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BALANCE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF FIND HERE.
WE WANT, WE WANT PEOPLE DRIVING MORE SLOWLY, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP 'EM MOVING ON THOSE STREETS.
SO, BUT ELI AND COFIELD ARE ALSO RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
BUT THEY ARE ARTERIALS AND THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR MM-HMM
THE HIGHER VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC, WE COULD CHANGE THAT.
UM, ALRIGHT, UM, NOW I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, UH, PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE, I'M LOOKING IN THE WRONG SECTION.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED ONE ONLINE AND WE HAVE THREE CARDS.
I NOW ASK AMY ASHLEY UP TO THE PODIUM.
UM, HI, I'M AMY ASHLEY, UH, PETALUMA RESIDENT AND CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION CHAIR.
CURRENTLY, I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER.
UM, SPENT 10 YEARS ON THE EAST SIDE RAISING MY FAMILY, DOING A LOT OF WALKING AND BIKING AND STROLLERING.
UM, AND SO I JUST AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS, OF LIKE, BASICALLY ALL OF THE CHANGES AND STUFF THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, BIKING AND, UM, WALKING A MORE ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE, UM, THING.
UM, ALSO I DO WANNA MENTION AS THE CLIMATE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IS REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE BLUEPRINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS COMMITTED TO DOING TOGETHER.
AND SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.
I'M, I'M SITTING HERE JUST NOTICING LIKE, HOW MUCH IS WORK IS BEING DONE HERE.
LIKE, YOU GUYS ARE A GEAR, AND THEN THE CLIMATE NATIONAL COMMISSION IS A GEAR, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE LIKE, DIFFERENT GEARS, LIKE MAKING THINGS HAPPEN AND MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
SO I DID WANNA JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THANKS AND TO THE CITY AS WELL, UM, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU WERE DOING.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER, I ASK PETE GANG, UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, I WANNA, I, I'VE TWO MAIN COMMENTS AND A THIRD THAT I PROBABLY WON'T GET TO.
MY FIRST COMMENT IS FOLLOWS UP ON WILLIAM'S COMMENT ABOUT SPEED.
AND, UM, IN, IN BJORN'S PRESENTATION, THERE WERE THE, THE, THE, THE CHARTS OF, UM, FATALITIES AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
WE KNOW THAT THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED IS AROUND 42 TO 44 MILES PER HOUR.
MY SENSE IS THAT A LOGICAL WAY TO GO ABOUT DESIGNING THESE ROADWAYS WOULD BE TO PICK A DESIGN SPEED, A SPEED AT WHICH WE WOULD WANT DRIVERS TO, TO DRIVE AT,
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AND THEN USE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO DESIGN A ROADWAY THAT, THAT COMMUNICATES THAT SAFE SPEED TO DRIVERS WITHOUT NEEDING SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.AND I, I, I WOULD, IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT THAT'S HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, MY OTHER COMMENT HAS TO DO WITH BEAUTY.
I REMEMBER EIGHT OR 10 YEARS AGO, MAYBE MORE, WHEN THE SOUTH PETALUMA BOULEVARD PROJECT WAS IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND I REMEMBER MAKING A COMMENT PRIOR, BEFORE THE PROJECT THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT SOME BEAUTIFUL ROADWAY DESIGNS LIKE CLOVERDALE AS AS ONE EXAMPLE.
INSTEAD, I, I FEAR THAT THESE STREETS WILL END UP LOOKING LIKE PETAL BOULEVARD SOUTH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS VAST EXPANSES OF PAVEMENT WITH STRIPING.
AND THEY FULFILL, DO, DO, ENDING UP WITH A ROADWAY LIKE THAT FULFILLS THE, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS, OUR BIKE LANE REQUIREMENTS.
AND JUST IN, IN ANY DESIGN PROJECT FOR ANY CRAFTSMAN, FOR ANY ARTIST, BEAUTY IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE MANDATE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR.
I'M HERE AS MYSELF
AND I TOO, UM, VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT WHAT COMPLETE STREETS AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ARE AND TO THINK ABOUT TRANSIT, BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO IS TAKING THE BUS IS BEFORE THEY GET ON THE BUS AND AFTER THEY GET OFF THE BUS, THEY'RE A PEDESTRIAN OR THEY'RE BICYCLISTS.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE RACKS TO PUT YOUR BICYCLE ON IT.
UM, AND I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WE'VE GOT SIX BUS STOPS FOR ROUTE 33 AND SIX FOR, UM, ROUTE THREE ON ELI IN THE, UH, AREA BETWEEN, UH, CASA GRANDE AND, UH, EAST WASHINGTON.
AND LOOKING AT THOSE WOULD BE A GOOD WAY OF IDENTIFYING GOOD PLACES FOR ENHANCED CROSSING.
UM, THERE IS A BUS STOP NEAR CLYDESDALE, UM, AND ONE NEAR, UH, WERLEY THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON THE MAP, BUT I DIDN'T DO A PERFECT ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST, THOSE CAUGHT MY EYE.
AND IN TERMS OF REDUCING EMISSIONS AND GETTING PEOPLE TO BE ACTIVE, TRANSPORTATION IS, WHICH INCLUDES BUS RIDERS.
UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING GOING ON.
I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE USING MONEY FROM, UM, STREET PAVING
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING OUR THINKING A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE FOR WALKING AND SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR THE BUS, YOU KNOW, TREES ARE REALLY USEFUL.
UH, ALSO REALLY USEFUL TO GET PEOPLE OUT ON THEIR BICYCLE, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
UM, SO I'M NOW GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR COMMENT AND DISCUSSION.
UM, TO HAVE THIS BE KIND OF MORE DYNAMIC, COULD WE JUST GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? I THINK MOST SLIDES WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE HOT BUTTON RATHER THAN GOING COMMITTEE MEMBER BY COMMITTEE MEMBER.
AND THEN HAVE US, YOU KNOW, MONOLOGUE, UH, I'D LIKE US TO JUST GO THROUGH THE DECK AND THEN WE CAN, UM, KIND OF RAISE OUR HANDS AS WE GO THROUGH AND, UM, TAKE TURNS.
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UH, JUST START US OFF WITH THE CROSS SECTIONS, I ASSUME, OOPS, WRONG.WHERE'S MY FIRST COMMENT?
SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE CROSS SECTIONS, UH, BEFORE SLIDE 10.
UM, THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE,
UM, IT DOESN'T GIVE, I THINK, A IMPORTANT CONTEXT.
UM, AND I, I MAY SOUND FUNNY, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN THIS HUMOROUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HURT WHEN YOU HIT THEM WITH A BICYCLE, UH, AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOOD DATA ON THAT, BUT EITHER, YOU KNOW, THE SAME GRAPHIC DONE FOR WHEN A BICYCLE HITS PEDESTRIAN, UH, A BICYCLIST HITS PEDESTRIAN AT, AT VARIOUS SPEEDS, OR JUST IN ADDITION TO THE SAME THING, WOULD GIVE SOME SOME VALUABLE PERSPECTIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK ABOUT VEHICLE COLLISIONS 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT.
UM, AND WHAT IT DOESN'T SHOW IS WHY WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE ON CYCLISTS, SITTING PEDESTRIANS, WHICH COULD HAPPEN IN OUR DREAM WORLD WHERE, WHERE EVERYONE'S RIDING THEIR BIKE AROUND.
UM, AND JUST, JUST, I'D LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH BETTER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A CYCLIST GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR, UM, WHAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN'S ODDS OF GETTING INJURED? UM HMM.
I, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, THERE ARE SO FEW BIKE VERSUS PEDESTRIAN COLLISIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH DATA TO CREATE THAT GRAPHIC, ESPECIALLY AT HIGHER SPEEDS.
BUT YEAH, IT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT EXERCISE.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE DATA WOULD NEED TO BE.
I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE FALSIFIED, BUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
IT'S GONNA BE AN ITTY, ITTY, ITTY BITTY CHANCE OF, OF REALLY SERIOUSLY INJURING SOMEBODY AND IT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, THE, THE REASON TO PUT IT IN THERE IS NOT TO SHOW THE DANGER OF BIKES, IT'S TO SHOW THE COMPARISON, UM, EVEN AT VERY HIGH SPEEDS.
JUST ADJACENT TO THAT MICROPHONE, YOU NEED TO GET CLOSER TO YOUR MIC.
UM, ADJACENT TO THAT, AND IT, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT AS PART OF THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION, BUT WHAT ARE THE SPEED LIMITS AT THOSE TWO? JUST TO, CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A SUMMARY OF YEAH.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH, I THINK IT'S 35, I WANNA SAY THE WHOLE WAY ON ELI, IT'S, UM, ON CAULFIELD, IT, IT REDUCES AS YOU MOVE EAST.
SO THE FIRST SECTION, UM, UP TO MCDOWELL IS 40, AND THEN I THINK IT DROPS TO 35, AND THEN SOMEWHERE IT DROPS TO 30.
I COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT IN A REFERENCE SLIDE SOMEWHERE.
I THINK APPROACHING CASA IT DROPS DOWN TO 30, UM, YEAH, ELI'S 35 THE WHOLE WAY.
AND THEN CALL FIELD 40 TO MCDOWELL, UM, 35 FROM MCDOWELL TO CELLA.
THEN I THINK IT DROPS 30 FROM CELLA TO ELI, AND THEN IT'S ALSO 30 EAST OF ELI.
I MEAN, SO I MEAN, WE'VE GOT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A 50% DROP FROM 40 MILES AN HOUR.
AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE DATA IS THAT THE SPEEDING, I MEAN, UH, PEOPLE ARE, WITH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, PEOPLE ARE MORE COMPLIANT WITH THE POSTED SPEED LIMITS EAST OF MCDOWELL.
UM, SO, UH, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT WITH THE ROAD, THE DESIGN CHANGE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE IN THOSE SECTIONS WHERE IT'S 35 OR 30 MILES AN HOUR, PEOPLE ARE, ARE DRIVING CLOSER TO THOSE SPEEDS.
SO YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO DROP EVEN MORE WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN CHANGES.
JUST TO, UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP IN THINKING SYSTEMATICALLY OR SYSTEMICALLY, UM, IF THERE, IF THESE CHANGES, UM, INVOLVE, UM, TRAFFIC SLOWING MEASURES, THEN WILL THE CORRESPONDING SPEED LIMITS DROP? YEAH.
THE SPEEDS DROP WILL THE SPEED LIMITS DROP? SPEED LIMITS ARE, YEAH.
SPEED LIMITS ARE DETERMINED BASED ON HOW FAST PEOPLE ARE GOING.
SO AFTER YOU MAKE CHANGES TO A STREET, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND COLLECT A NEW SURVEY.
AND THAT'LL THEN, AND THEN THAT SETS IN MOTION THE SORT OF THE REVISED SPEED LIMIT, UH, OR AT LEAST THE, UH, ADJUSTMENTS.
SPEED LIMIT ADJUSTMENT KIND OF PROCESS.
WHAT'S THE CADENCE THERE? UM, IT'S, IT COULD BE REALLY, I THINK ANYTIME AFTER CHANGES ARE MADE, YOU JUST NEED, THE SURVEY NEEDS TO BE DONE UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
IT'S NOT CLEAR AND DRY WEATHER.
UM, FREE FLOW SPEEDS NOT DURING PEAK HOUR.
UH, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUM YOU HAVE TO GET A HUNDRED CARS IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO IT'S NOT MANDATED BY THE STATE THAT THERE, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A, A BREAKING IN PERIOD.
I CAN, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW THE, THE CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE BY HEART, BUT, UM, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME, SO BOTH OF THESE WILL LIKELY BE DESIGNATED AS SAFETY CORRIDORS.
THAT'S A NEW, UH, DESIGNATION WE CAN GIVE UNDER ASSEMBLY BILL 43, WHICH WAS,
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UM, ENACTED IN 2022.AND SO WHEN YOU DESIGNATE A STREET, A SAFETY CORRIDOR, IT ALLOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT GREATER FLEXIBILITY.
SO TYPICALLY YOU GET AN 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, YOU CAN ROUND UP OR DOWN TO THE NEAREST FIVE MILE AN HOUR, UM, INTERVAL.
SO SAY YOUR 85TH PERCENTILE IS 32.7, YOU COULD EITHER ROUND THAT UP AND SET THE SPEED LIMIT AT 35 OR YOU COULD ROUND IT DOWN TO 30.
UM, AND NOW WITH THE SAFETY CORRIDOR DESIGNATION, THERE'S ACTUALLY WAYS WHERE YOU COULD ROUND DOWN TWICE AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY DROP IT DOWN, UM, TO 25.
SO THERE'S, UM, YEAH, KIND OF ALL DEPENDS ON, UM, LIKE WHERE YOUR 85TH COMES IN IS SORT OF WHAT ULTIMATELY DICTATES WHERE, WHERE IT GETS SET.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE VEHICLE CODE TO PUSH SPEED LIMITS AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY CAN SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSER TO THOSE AVERAGE SPEEDS AND NOT, WE'RE NOT DESIGNING A CITY AROUND HOW FAST THE FASTEST DRIVERS ARE GONE.
YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WILLIAM'S COMMENT AROUND, INCLUDING THE SOME TYPE OF EQUIVALENT CHART STUDY, WHAT CAME TO MIND ACTUALLY WAS PARALLEL CONVERSATION KIND OF AROUND E-BIKE SAFETY, UM, AND JUST HOW THAT COULD BE RELEVANT GIVEN YEAH, E-BIKES ARE A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE EDUCATED ON AROUND SAFETY.
SO I HAVE NO IDEA, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF MANY STUDIES ON THAT, BUT, UM, THAT COULD RUN PARALLEL TO KIND OF A SAFETY, UM, CAMPAIGN, UM, VERSUS JUST, YEAH, THE REGULAR LIGHTWEIGHT BIKES GOING A LOT SLOWER.
SO YEAH, JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT THAT COMMENT.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? JOANNA? GO AHEAD.
UM, SO WE DON'T, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE DATA ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE KILLED BY BIKERS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BIKE PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS.
I JUST WANTED IT LIKE, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IMPORTANT.
UM, I, I MEAN, DON'T, LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME DATA OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
I WAS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW YEAH.
THIS, THAT NOT INA THIS GRAPHIC THAT'S SHOWING.
UH, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OBVIOUSLY ON VEHICLE VERSUS PEDESTRIAN CRASHES.
I REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO LOOKING INTO THIS FOR SOMEONE WHO REACHED OUT AND AT THAT POINT, UM, I COULDN'T FIND, UH, MUCH IF ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY REPORTED BY SCHOOL VERSUS PEDESTRIAN COLLISIONS.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY HAVEN'T HAPPENED, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE, THERE HAS BEEN AN UPTICK SINCE THEN.
BUT, UM, THAT'S SOME, WE CAN GO IN AND, AND LOOK AT THE COLLISION REPORTS.
WE, WE DO GET COLLISION REPORTS ANYTIME, UM, THERE'S AN INJURY AND, AND WHEN IT'S REPORTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE SHOULD BE DATA YES ON THAT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
WE KEEP THAT THOUGHT AS WE DISCUSS ALL OF THIS.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE KEEPING ALL THE DRIVERS IN MIND, BEING FRUSTRATED WITH THE SCHOOLS.
WE COULD GET THE KIDS ON THE BIKES AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE LESS TRAFFIC AND LESS CARS.
UM, I WEIGH LESS WITH MY E-BIKE THAN MY HUSBAND ON HIS REGULAR BIKE
JUST SAY LIKE A REGULAR BIKE'S, I THINK 30 POUND IS IT, IS IT LESS? SOME SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE 30 POUNDS.
SO THE NORMAL E-BIKES LIKE 55 POUNDS.
SO I THINK THERE'S MORE VARIATION WITH LIKE, THE WEIGHT OF US THAN WITH THE WEIGHT OF BIKES.
I JUST WANTED TO LIKE ADD THAT
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THIS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL PAGE 17.
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL PAGE 17.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA, UH, COMMENT ON SOMETHING BEFORE WE GET TO THERE? YEAH, JUST ONE COMMENT ON PAGE 13.
JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT THE COMMENT AROUND CONSIDERING BEING MORE COMPREHENSIVE WITH THESE STREET DESIGNS AND WHAT CON KIND OF COMPLETE STREETS ARE.
IF WE CAN INCLUDE, YEAH, SOMETHING RELATED TO ONE STREET TREES AND THEN TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
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GET TO PAGE 17? AND IF NOT, THEN I'LL GO.UM, COUPLE GREAT PICTURES YOU PUT ON THAT SLIDE, BJORN.
AND, UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THOSE, UH, OTHER EXAMPLES IN CONTEXT OF THE, THE CROSS SECTIONS.
UM, THE LANE DESIGN ON THE LATER SLIDES.
I, I JUST NOTICED, UH, IN THE TOP PICTURE THERE, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANE, THERE'S NO BUFFER ON THE SIDE BETWEEN THE PARKED CARS AND THE, THE VEHICLE LANE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THERE.
UM, WHERE WE DOES LOOKS LIKE WE ARE INCLUDING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REGULATORY THING THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON WASN'T PRESENT, UH, IN THAT EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT UH, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT TO GET US SOME, SOME EXTRA SPACE.
UM, DRIVERS ARE USED TO BEING CAREFUL GETTING OUT ON THAT SIDE, LIKE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, WE CAN BUY OURSELVES SOME SPACE TO PUT TO BETTER USE IF WE DON'T NEED TO PUT A BUFFER THERE.
UM, AND ON THE PHOTO BELOW, UM, THE VERTICAL ELEMENT THERE, UM, WE SHOW IN ONE OF OUR CROSS SECTIONS, BUT, UM, NOT THE OTHERS.
AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, UH, SPOT FOR LANDSCAPING AND UH, SOMETHING THAT REALLY MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SEPARATED FROM THE TRAFFIC.
UH, SO YEAH, CURB EQUALS GOOD, WAS MY COMMENT.
UH, ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK TO THOSE OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I WILL SAY, YEAH, THERE'S NO, UH, REOR REGULATORY OR DESIGN REQUIREMENT RELATED TO THE BUFFER THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE, UH, THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE CAR.
THERE IS A, CALTRANS HAS A THREE FOOT MINIMUM ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CAR.
UM, JUST FEEDBACK WE GOT IN THE RAINIER AVENUE, UH, PILOT PROJECT.
AND THEN ALSO KIND OF WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED WITH THE PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANE ON PETA BOULEVARD SOUTH IS THAT, UM, UH, I MEAN THE FEEDBACK WE GOT ON RAINIER, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANT A BUFFER ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE.
THEY, THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AND THEN IF YOU WATCH HOW PEOPLE PARK ON PETA BOULEVARD SOUTH WHERE IT'S A, IT'S A VERY WIDE PARKING LANE, BUT THERE'S NO DEFINED BUFFER, UH, PEOPLE PARK TO THE EXTREME RIGHT OF THAT PARKING SPACE, YOU KNOW, AL ALMOST INTO THE PASSENGER SIDE BUFFER.
AND SO I THINK OUR, OUR REALIZATION THERE, UH, UNDERSTANDABLY, IS THAT, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE
AND SO IF WE PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE PROVIDE THEM THAT ROOM, THAT'S, UM, UH, MORE OF A WIN-WIN.
UH, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT OBSERVATION.
UM, BUT UH, I'LL JUST STAY ON THAT PICTURE BELOW.
I THINK IT KIND OF GETS TO THIS YEAH.
UH, ADDRESSING THE COMMENT OF HOW CAN WE BEAUTIFY THOSE SPACES AND JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT WHAT TYPES OF LOW WATER NEED TREES OR NOT TREES OR PLANTS COULD BE PLANTED THERE.
IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF INCLUDING IRRIGATION WITHIN THOSE KIND OF BUFFERS TO AT LEAST SUPPORT SO IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY DIE OUT JUST IN KIND OF WHAT I I THINK THERE ARE, IT SEEMS LIKELY THAT IRRIGATION WILL BE INCLUDED IN SOME FORM, SO, UM, BUT WE NEED TO, WE STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT.
WE DO HAVE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AS PART OF THE, UH, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE DESIGN TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY KICKING OFF THE LANDSCAPING CONVERSATION, UM, IN APRIL.
UH, YEAH, ALL OF THAT IS, IS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
AND I THINK AFTER THIS, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS COMMENTS, UM, WE CAN GO RIGHT INTO THE, UM, UH, LANE DESIGNS.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS, UH, THIS SIDE, SIDE OF THE BEFORE, UH, 17 BEAUTIFICATION WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT AND I KNOW, UM, BECAUSE I JUST HELP RELIEF PLANT A LOT OF TREES AT PCSF, I KNOW RELIEF HAS A LOT OF TREES, THEY'RE READY AND WILLING TO PLANT AND DO THE WORK FOR.
SO THAT COULD BE AN EASY, UM, SOLUTION BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH NOT WANTING MORE STREETS TO LOOK LIKE, UH, BOULEVARD SOUTH AND PERSONALLY, I I I'M JUST MORE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, BUT THE TOP PICTURE, UH, MOVING THE PARKING OUT INTO THE STREET, THEN THE PEOPLE GETTING OUTTA CARS HAVE TO, AT LEAST ON THE OTHER SIDE, BRAVE OPENING THE DOORS IN THE TRAFFIC AND THEN CROSSING ANOTHER LANE OF MOVING TRAFFIC WITH THE BIKES.
WHEREAS IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUFFER, MAYBE YOU PUT THE CARS BACK WHERE THEY ARE, BUT HAVE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE BIKE LANE AND THE, AND THE STREET ALSO HERE IN THIS PICTURE IS AN ISSUE LIKE ALREADY IS ON WITH THE STREET PARKING ON, UH, MCDOWELL GOING OVER NEXT TO LUCCHESE.
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD MY MIRROR HIT OTHER CARS MIRRORS.
ONE OF THEM IS PARKED, ONE OF THEM IS MOVING.
EVEN IF YOU'RE WAY OUT IN THE STREET, LIKE RIGHT HERE, I, I CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS THEIR
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MIRROR ON.SO THOSE ARE JUST, I SEE A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO FLIPPING IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BUFFER, HAVE THE, THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CARS AND THE, UM, AND THE BICYCLIST AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SORRY, I THINK THAT YEAH, AND THAT IMAGE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST ILLUSTRATION 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN EITHER ON EITHER OF THESE STREETS, YOU KNOW.
SO HERE'S A EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT ON CALL FIELD.
THERE'S THAT ONE SECTION I MENTIONED BETWEEN, UH, MCDOWELL AND PARK WHERE WE'VE GOT THE THREE FOOT BUFFER ON BOTH SIDES OF, OF THE CAR.
UM, AND THEN FURTHER IN WITH ELI, WE'VE GOT, UH, A FOUR FOOT BUFFER.
AND, AND THIS, THESE CAN ALSO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TOO TO, TO NARROW SOME OF THIS DOWN AS WELL.
SO, UM, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ROOM THERE OUT THERE COMPARED TO THAT IMAGE THAT WAS SHOWING.
UM, I THINK WE CAN GET INTO IT THEN.
STARTING AT PAY RAN TO SOUTH MCDOWELL ON COFIELD.
UM, WHO WANTS TO JUMP IN? GO AHEAD, FRANK.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, I'M A BIG FAN OF THIS.
UM, I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME TREES IN THERE OR SOME NICE SHRUBS, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, DROUGHT TOLERANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S, IT'S A SECTION OF THE ROAD THAT LOOKS VERY KIND OF INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT'S GOING TO PUSH BACK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE GONNA BE SENSITIVE TO, UH, VOICES WHO ARE, WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT LANE REDUCTIONS.
I THINK OUR COUNCIL IS IN PRETTY GOOD, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE CAN BEAUTIFY THIS, I THINK IT TAKES, UM, IT TAKES SOME OF THAT, UH, ANIMOSITY AWAY AND IT MAKES THE WHOLE AREA JUST NICER.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO, LIKE, I, I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, THE, UH, THE GRASS STRIP BETWEEN THE, THE SOUND WALL AND THE BIKE LANE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT WOULD FEEL LIKE A SHAME IF WE PUT IN A MEDIUM STRIP AND WE PUT IN SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING AND WE JUST KIND OF LEFT THAT THE WAY IT IS.
LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEAUTIFY THAT WALL SOME.
SO MY COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION, ANYONE ELSE? GO AHEAD, ADAM.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, UM, ADDING A SIDEWALK ON THE, COME TO THE RIGHT SIDE.
I GUESS THAT'S THE SOUTH SIDE AND EXCHANGING THAT FOR YEAH, KIND OF THAT EIGHT FOOT CENTER LINE, CENTER DIVIDE.
I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY SERVES A PURPOSE.
THERE'S NO TURNING ALONG THAT STRETCH.
IS THERE, UH, YEAH, I'M FOR NEGLECTED TO MENTION WHY WE'RE SHOWING THE EIGHT FOOT, UH, STRIPED MEDIAN THAT, THAT WAS REQUESTED BY FIRE.
UM, SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE RESPONDING ON CALL FIELD, THEY CAN, OH, THEY CAN GET THROUGH HERE.
UH, BASICALLY STRADDLING THAT CENTER, UH, KINDA STRIPED MEDIAN AREA.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A, A SPACE SHORTAGE.
THERE IS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT POINTED OUT, THERE IS A, UH, A LANDSCAPED AREA HERE THAT I JUST COMPLETELY NEGLECTED TO SHOW IN THIS CROSS SECTION.
UM, SO THE SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE, THAT'S NOT FOR LACK OF AVAILABLE SPACE.
UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK, I THINK WE WILL BE NEEDING TO LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE PROJECT BUDGET IF WE WANNA ADD THAT IN.
UM, IT MAY, IT MAY RESULT IN SOME OTHER TRADE-OFFS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
UM, GIVEN THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT
SO I JUST, UH, YEAH, AGAIN, KIND OF THE, UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY ADD IT TO OUR LIST OF THINGS TO LOOK AT, BUT THE, THEY COULD PROB THEY WOULD LIKELY BE TRADE OFFS ASSOCIATED WITH ADDING A SIDEWALK IN THERE.
UH, I GUESS, YEAH, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ROOM TO SAY REDUCE THE LANE WIDTH
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TO SAY 10 FEET, THAT MIGHT ADD A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE.BUT YEAH, I HEAR YOU ABOUT COST AND TRADE OFFS.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS? UM, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL JUST SECOND THAT USING THE ENTIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO A FULL REBUILD, I UNDERSTAND LIMITATIONS ON, ON ELAY WHERE WE'RE JUST, UH, DOING THE SLURRY SEAL AND RES STRIPING.
UM, BUT WE'RE PUTTING SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY INTO COFIELD AND TO, TO NOT USE THE ENTIRE RIGHT OF WAY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVING ALL OF OUR DREAMS, I THINK WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE.
UM, YEAH, AND I WAS MEASURING IT FROM GOOGLE EARTH AND THE 57 FEET WE SHOW HERE SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T THE ENTIRE THING.
UM, BUT THIS IS REALLY, I'D SAY THE, THE BEST OF THE, THE SECTIONS I SEE IN THIS, THIS DECK.
UH, I REALLY LOVE THE, THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE 11 FEET.
UM, IF WE CAN DO 10 FEET, IT'S 10 FOOT LANES THERE NOW, IT'S 10 FOOT ON OTHER SECTIONS ALONG COFIELD.
SO, UH, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IT WIDER OR NARROWER.
I WOULD SAY MAKE IT AS NARROW AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, UM, AND THEN KEEP THAT UNIFORM ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, IN ONE WAY I THINK, UH, CHIEF ISSUES WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS.
ONE, I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE OR TWO.
UM, WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUITY.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, ONE PART OF THE NETWORK TO ANOTHER THAT'S CONTINUITY AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN ALONG THE ROAD AND NOT HAVING, UH, CONDITIONS CHANGING AS YOU GO.
UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND, APPRECIATE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES WANT TO AND NEED TO GET TO PLACES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED 30 FEET CURB TO CURB WHEN A FIRE TRUCK IS NINE FEET OR SO WIDE, AND RV IS NINE OR FEET OR SO WIDE, THAT SEEMS TO DESIGN FOR TWO RVS WITH THEIR MIRRORS AND THE FIRE TRUCK ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SEEMS A CONDITION THAT IS NOT REALLY REALISTIC AND THAT UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, 99% OF THE TIME THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH JUST FINE, UH, WITH A MUCH NARROWER CURB TO CURB DIMENSION THERE, WHICH WOULD GIVE US MORE SPACE FOR LANDSCAPING, UM, AND AN EXTRA SIDEWALK.
CAN WE MOVE ON TO OTHER, GO AHEAD, FRANK.
UH, REAL QUICK, UM, WOULD IT, IT, UH, THIS CONFIGURATION WOULDN'T EXIST ON THE OVERPASS, WOULD IT? UM, OBVIOUSLY NO.
YEAH, NO LANDSCAPING ON THE OVERPASS.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK YOU COULD END UP SEEING A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.
THE QUESTION IS, UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE QUEUING THAT HAPPENS AT, UM, CALL FIELD AND PAY RAN AND FIGURE OUT HOW LONG, UH, THOSE, UH, THROUGH LANES NEED TO GO BACK UP TO THE INTERCHANGE BEF OR UP TO THE OVERCROSSING BEFORE WE, UM, NECK IT DOWN TO ONE LANE WESTBOUND.
SO THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL LIKELY BE THAT INTERSECTION.
YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, PROTECTED BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES, UM, WHICH WILL BE NARROWER.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE PROTECTED AREA WILL ALSO BE NARROWER, THE PROTECTED BUFFER.
UM, YOU WOULD HAVE A THROUGH RIGHT LANE, UH, A WESTBOUND THROUGH, RIGHT, A WESTBOUND THROUGH A WESTBOUND LEFT, AND THEN A SINGLE LANE EASTBOUND.
SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW FAR UP YOU WANT.
TAKE THOSE TWO, UH, THROUGH LANES.
UH, WE WANNA MOVE EAST, UM, FROM SOUTH MCDOWELL TO PARK LANE.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SECTION? IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE HERE ALONG COFIELD ANYTHING THEY LOVE OR DON'T LOVE.
AND I THINK ANYWHERE WE'RE SHOWING THIS TWO FOOT, THIS IS MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON RAINIER.
YOU MAY RECALL ON THAT EASTBOUND SECTION WITH THE, THE, UH, ASPHALT CURB IN A TWO FOOT BUFFER AREA.
UH, I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ELSEWHERE, UH, ON SOME OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS WHERE THERE IS A BUFFER, IF IT CAN BE AN ACTUAL CURB INSTEAD, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO DO THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT HAS LANDSCAPING OR NOT, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, CAN BE WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE EVEN SOME LITTLE LANDSCAPING LIKE IN THAT EARLIER PHOTO THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, BUT JUST TO, TO BE THERE AS AN ACTUAL BARRIER, NOT PLASTIC POLLARDS, BUT SOMETHING PHYSICAL THERE THAT'S GONNA WAKE PEOPLE UP WHEN THEIR TIRES HIT IT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP DRIVERS PAYING ATTENTION, UM, WAY, WAY BETTER THAN PAINT.
UM, THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE.
UM, WITH THE COMMENT, UH, THE QUESTION MICRO MICROPHONE QUERY, OH, SORRY.
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ON AND OFF.UM, I CONCUR, UM, WITH THE QUESTION IN THE COMMENT AROUND THE TIMING FOR RAINIER VERSUS THE TIMING FOR THIS.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH? IS IT BY THE TIME THE CHANGES HAPPEN IN RAINIER, UM, WILL THAT AFFECT EITHER, COULD IT AFFECT THE IMPLE THE IMPLEMENTATION IN, UH, AT CAULFIELD? MEANING, UM, WHEN THE CHANGES TAKE EFFECT IN RAINIER, WHICH IS, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE THE IMPACT.
THERE'S GONNA BE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE LESSON LEARNED.
UH, WILL THOSE LESSONS LEARNED, UM, BE ABLE TO IMPACT DIRECTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK TO SOME DEGREE.
UM, RAINIER WILL PROBABLY BE COMPLETE THIS SUMMER.
UH, AND AT THAT POINT ON THIS PROJECT, WE WILL BE PROBABLY PAST 65% DESIGN.
UM, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THESE ALL BID READY, COMPLETELY DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALLER ADJUSTMENTS.
UH, EITHER IN THE FINAL PLANS OR THROUGH A CHANGE ORDER.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT LIKE, UH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF ADJACENT COMMUNITIES MM-HMM
UM, THERE'LL BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE, IT'LL MAKE ITS OWN CASE, I THINK HERE, AND IT'LL BE, YOU'LL HAVE PROOF WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ON THE EAST SIDE THAT THIS KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGE, UH, HAS AN IMPACT, LIKE A POSITIVE IMPACT.
I MEAN, RAINIER WILL DEFINITELY BE DONE BEFORE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF, UM, AWARD OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
UM, SO COFIELD OR
OH, WAIT, SO I WAS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THAT, WASN'T I, SORRY.
YEAH, WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, BUT THAT'S A, A COMING AND GOING KIND OF THING WHERE THE SECTION, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MCDOWELL AND THEN WE GET PAST PARK AGAIN.
THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACCESS THERE.
SORRY, I JUST BORROWED THE SAME IMAGE.
SO I DO THINK, UH, FROM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, FROM UH, PARK LANE GOING EAST, I BELIEVE THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE.
WELL THAT, I GUESS YOU CAN STRIKE THAT COMMENT.
I MEAN, IT REMAINS THAT, UH, I'D LIKE CONTINUITY, UM, AND NOT HAVE IT CHANGING SEGMENT BY SEGMENT.
BUT IF, UH, THAT'S JUST AN OVERSIGHT.
UM, SO WOULD SLIDE 19 THEN ACTUALLY EXTEND DOWN TO CORNELL? UM, NO, BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S ONLY REALLY A PARKING NEED BETWEEN MCDOWELL AND PARK.
THERE'S A, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE USE IS, BUT THERE'S OFTEN, UH, SEVERAL CARS PARKED ON THE STREET THERE, BUT SEVERAL IS THE RIGHT WORD.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN COUNTING 'CAUSE I LIVE RIGHT THERE AND LIKE IT, IT'S RIGHT NOW PROBABLY TWO, MAYBE, MAYBE FOUR.
AND I ACTUALLY ADDED UP THE, THE PARKING IN THAT, THAT BLOCK THERE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL PARKING LOTS.
THEY HAVE TWO ACRES OF ASPHALT TO PARK ON
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS PARKING ON, ON PARK.
THERE'S PARKING, UH, ALONG MCDOWELL.
UM, AND THEN ON SAR, IS IT SAR GOTCHA.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S DRIVE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES WHERE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CARS, CARS PARKED THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S DRIVING THAT ACTIVITY.
I MEAN, SUPER BOWL OR SOMETHING.
SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DESIGN AROUND THAT.
I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND CONTINUING THE CROSS SECTION, UM, ALL THE WAY STRAIGHT THROUGH AND, AND NOT BOTHER WITH ANY ON-STREET PARKING THERE.
IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT FOR A COUPLE CARS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THERE'S GONNA BE A NICE CROSSWALK FOR THEM.
THEY CAN GO AROUND DANIEL, THEY CAN PARK OVER BY MY HOUSE IF THEY WANT.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST LIKE TWO TO FOUR CARS AT THE MOST.
UM, AND THAT, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SECTION BETWEEN PARKED AND YEAH, THIS SECTION HERE, YOU JUST SOMETIMES SEE CARS PARKED, UH, BASICALLY ALONG THIS, THIS FRONTAGE.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET PAST PARK, YOU GO BACK TO FENCE LINE ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, GOING BACK TO KIND OF THAT, DO THOSE HOMES, THE ROAD CAULFIELD, OR DO THEY, IF YOU GO BACK, IT LOOKS LIKE, OR DO THEY BACK UP AGAINST? UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE PARKING LOT ON EITHER SIDE.
THEY MUST, YEAH, LIKE INTERNAL.
THERE'S A LITTLE PARKING LOT THERE THAT I THINK IS KIND OF THE PRIMARY OFF STREET PARKING, BUT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'M NOT.
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UH, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ALL FOR THIS PROPERTY AND THEN THIS LOT SEEMS TO BE FOR THIS.SO YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT TWO, THE, BASICALLY WHAT I'M SEEING IS THESE TWO PARKING LOTS HERE.
SO THOSE ARE FOR THIS STRING OF PROPERTIES, UH, THAT I GUESS ESSENTIALLY DO KIND OF FRONT YEAH, THEY DO.
AND THEY'RE NOT ON A SIDE STREET, SO.
AND IF THOSE ARE SENIOR APARTMENTS, YOU, YOU PROBABLY WOULD RUN INTO OPPOSITION TRYING TO GET THOSE, TRYING TO REMOVE THOSE PARKING SPOTS IN FRONT OF THOSE.
WELL, I'M SURE THERE'D BE OPPOSITION.
WELL, I MEAN FROM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD PROBABLY YEAH.
WELL, I SEE A LOT OF, A LOT OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEAVE THEIR CAR.
I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATING FOR THE POINT.
I'M JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPERIENCE.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY KIND OF, WE HAVE THE WIDTH HERE THAT WE FELT LIKE WE COULD RETAIN THE PARKING AND ANYTIME YOU CAN RETAIN PARKING AND A AVOID, SOME, AVOID HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PREFERABLE PROBABLY FOR STAFF AND, AND COUNCIL.
ESPECIALLY QUITE WELL TAKEN, ESPECIALLY SENIOR APARTMENT.
WELL, UH, YEAH, I WON'T GET INTO IT HERE.
AROUND ON ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND A PARKING SURVEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL THE EMPTY DRIVEWAYS, UM, EVEN AT NIGHT.
UM, UH, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH CAPACITY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, TWO ACRES OF ASPHALT ON THAT ONE, ONE BLOCK RIGHT THERE.
UM,
UH, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT ANY WIDER THAN NEEDS TO BE IF YOU CAN USE THAT SPACE FOR, FOR HUMANS.
AND I CAN KIND OF KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THAT CONSIDERATION.
SO, UM, WHAT I WAS REALLY, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS START WITH EIGHT, SIX, AND THREE AS KIND OF THE BASELINE, LIKE DESIGNING FROM SORT OF THE OUTSIDE IN.
UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE THREE 10 FOOT LANES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ACHIEVED THAT FULL THREE FOOT BUFFER HERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU SEE IT ON ELI TWO.
WE'VE GOT EIGHT, SIX, AND THREE.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY MORE ROOM TO GIVE.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL THESE, THESE LANES.
REALLY THE NARROWEST I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE TAKING THESE DOWN TO IS 10 10 EACH.
UM, BUT THEN WHEN IT OPENS UP MORE, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE THREE LANES UP TO 10 AND A HALF, THE TWO A LEFT UP TO 11, AND THEN YOU START ADDING ON BACK AGAIN, BACK TO THE, THE BIKE LANES AND THE BUFFERS.
SO THAT'S KIND, THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONSIDERATION THERE.
AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT WIDTHS THAT YOU'RE SEEING, I FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
UM, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING TRAFFIC TO DRIVE MORE SLOWLY, WE WANNA GIVE THEM AS LITTLE SPACE AS POSSIBLE.
YOU DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE A FREEWAY.
UM, AND IT, IT DOES AND, AND I THINK WILL WITH A BIG WIDE, YOU KNOW, BUFFER ON YOUR LEFT AND A BUFFER ON YOUR RIGHT, FEEL STILL LIKE A FREEWAY.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE 16 YEAR OLDS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE YET.
UM, AND UH, TO, UH, TO NOT USE THAT LIKE A FREEWAY.
UM, SO IF WE WANT TO DO THE SURVEYS THAT SHOW THAT THEY'RE NOT DRIVING 44 MILES AN HOUR, UM, 85TH PERCENTILE ANYMORE, THEN, UM, YEAH, DOING THE DESIGN INSIDE OUT, STARTING FROM AS LITTLE SPACE TO DRIVE AS POSSIBLE IS, UH, WHERE I WOULD START.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MCDOWELL TO PARK? OH, SORRY.
I WOULD JUST SAY I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S GREAT PER, THAT'S PERFECT.
SORRY, I LOST TRACK OF WHICH SECTION WE'RE ON 'CAUSE I STARTED FLIPPING AROUND.
ARE WE ON, WE GOING TO PERK, UH, 19.
SO THE TAKING THE FOOT RECONSIDERATION OF THE PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANE OR OF, OF RETAINING PARKING AND THEN GETTING THE TO A LEFT DOWN TO 10 IS YOUR, ARE YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH.
AND, AND I'LL, I'LL SEND, I'VE GOT ALL THESE WRITTEN, I'LL SEND THEM TO YOU AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, I, I WOULD KEEP IT THE SAME, UM, AS THE SECTIONS EAST AND WEST, WHICH I THINK BRINGS US FARTHER EAST.
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AS DRAWN, IT'S THE SAME HERE.UM, THE PAY RAN OF MCDOWELL, SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THAT ONE.
SO IF NO ONE WANTS TO JUMP IN, WE CAN MOVE TO THE LAST CAWFIELD SECTION FROM ELLA TO GARFIELD.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO MENTION THERE IT IS, UH, FLIPPED WITH THE BIKE LANES, UM, ON THE INSIDE AND THE PARKING ON THE CURB AND IN THIS SECTION, UM, THE VOLUMES ARE, UH, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR OUR RECENT TUBE COUNTS.
WE WERE AT ABOUT 3,600 VEHICLES IN THIS SECTION.
UM, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NTO, ALL AGES AND ABILITIES, GUIDANCE, UM, BUFFERED BIKE LANES, UH, THEY ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ALL AGE, UH, SUFFICIENT TO ACHIEVE ALL AGES AND NA ABILITIES, UM, DESIGN ON A SECTION WITH A VOLUME AT THIS LEVEL.
YEAH, JUST ONE COMMENT AROUND THE STRIPING AND THE PARKING.
UM, JUST IN THAT, HOW IT'S DRAWN, YOU WOULD ASSUME A DRIVER WOULD, YOU KNOW, PULL ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE CURB, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT NOT BE FACTUAL IN REAL LIFE.
PEOPLE COULD SAY, OH, I'M GONNA PARK RIGHT ALONG THAT LINE AS WELL TOO.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE STANDARDS.
LIKE COULD YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A, A NARROW ONE FOOT BUFFER OR SOMETHING ON THAT SIDE TO TRY TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT AVOIDANCE OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE CARS PULL ALL THE WAY OVER TO THAT SPACE AND DON'T SAY, I'M JUST GONNA MAXIMIZE IT.
AND THEN I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS JUST THE DOOR SWING.
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS ARE COMING OUTTA THEIR CAR, SWINGING OPEN THEIR DOOR, AND THEN THERE GOES YOUR ALL AGES AND ABILITIES, RIGHT, RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
SO I'M STILL NOT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, UM, IN TERMS OF REALLY PRIORITIZING VISION ZERO AND THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE MOST VULNERABLE USERS.
I UNDERSTAND THE SITE DISTANCE ISSUE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S CAR VERSUS CAR FOR THAT SITE DISTANCE ISSUE.
IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY, THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS THE BICYCLIST, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE PERSON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE MOST VULNERABLE USER.
SO WHEN THEY DO CREEP FORWARD, YEAH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME ISSUES, I THINK WITH NEEDING TO PULL OUT SAFELY.
UM, BUT I THINK TO, UM, PETE'S POINT ALSO IS LIKE, IF, IF THERE, IF IT'S DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THOSE CARS, OR YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, CARS EXITING THESE DRIVEWAYS, THEN MAYBE THAT'LL SLOW DOWN INHERENTLY THE, THE DRIVER JUST THROWING CAUTION AT THEM.
SO YEAH, I'M STILL NOT, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT THESE DESIGNS HOW THEY ARE.
UM, I STILL FEEL LIKE PARKING PROTECTED SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY FOR ALL OF THESE CASES.
AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A REDUCTION IN ON STREET PARKING, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING STUDY COULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, BUT YEAH, JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT POINT THAT IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZING THE MOST VULNERABLE USERS, I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING TRUE TO VISION ZERO.
CAN I ADD YES, SHANA? UM, I THOUGHT I'D WAIT FOR THE ON ELI THE SAME BECAUSE, BUT IT FITS HERE TOO.
UM, THAT I WOULD PREFER BIKE AND THEN PARK CARS AND THEN CARS BECAUSE AS WE HEARD, CARS PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR SIDE MIRRORS A LOT MORE IF THERE'S A CAR
SO THEY ALSO SLOW DOWN MORE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT, RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE IT SO THAT CARS OR DRIVERS DRIVE SLOWER BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER AND NOT BECAUSE THE SCIENCE SAYS SO.
UM, AND TO, THAT'S LIKE ON THE ELI, SAME SITUATION, RIGHT? I JUST COUNTED, IT'S ABOUT 20 ISH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE ON THAT STRETCH.
THEY ALL HAVE DOUBLE CAR GARAGES, THEY ALL HAVE HUGE DRIVEWAYS.
WE ARE YIELDING A LOT OF SPACE AND COMPROMISE TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS AND DRIVERS.
IF WE SAY, YEAH, IT'S THEIR LINE OF SIGHT, IT'S THE LINE OF SIGHT, AS YOU MENTIONED TO THE CARS.
LIKE THE LINE OF SIGHT'S BETTER IF YOU HAVE THE
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BIKE LANE AND THEN THE PARKED CARS FOR GETTING OUT OF A DRIVEWAY, WE COULD REDUCE THE SPEED IF WE FLIP IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S A LOT OF YIELD THAT WE GIVE TO THOSE 20 HOUSES THAT HAVE PLENTY OF OPTIONS TO PARK THEIR CARS.AND THEY ALSO WOULD LIVE ON A STREET WHERE CARS ARE GOING SLOWER AND THEIR ONLY TRADE OFF IS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY A BIT MORE ATTENTION EXITING THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH THEY SHOULD DO ANYWAY.
AND I ALSO WANNA SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DETAILS AND LIKE HOW MANY FEET AND ALL OF THIS.
AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY VALUABLE AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT
YEAH, I TRY, I HOPE, HOPE YON APPRECIATES IT TOO.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND A-A-C-T-O MAY SAY THAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY DETERMINE THAT IT'S ALL AGES ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE, THE CAR VOLUME, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S JUST ONE CAR ONCE IN A WHILE AND THEY'RE GOING REALLY FAST, UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU GOT A TIGHT SPOT BECAUSE IT'S THE DOOR OPENING, BUT IT'S ALSO RVS AND, YOU KNOW, BIG TRAILERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FROM WIDER THAN EIGHT FEET, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR, THEIR RUBBER ON THE CURB.
UH, AND UH, YEAH, I SEE THIS A FEW KEY PLACES THAT ARE REALLY MEMORABLE BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE SCARED WHEN YOU COME UP TO IT.
UM, BECAUSE THESE, THESE VEHICLES ARE JUST REALLY, REALLY WIDE.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I DON'T, DON'T LOVE THIS.
UM, AND FOR THE, THE REALLY LOW VOLUME AND FOR YOU ALL THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK, I THINK WE COULD DO IT, UM, WITH PROTECTED BIKE LANES OUT THERE WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN IT WOULD CONNECT NICELY TO, TO GARFIELD WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE GREENWAY OUT THERE, UH, I OH, OH, UM, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING HERE.
AND IF WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IF WE CAN'T DEDICATE A PIECE OF THE CROSS SECTION TO LANDSCAPING, UH, I UNDERSTAND.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT SOME STREET TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SOME, SOME INTERVAL, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DO THE, THE PARKING STUDY AND LOOK TO SEE, UH, HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKING PLACES WE CAN USE TO PUT IN TREES WOULD BE REALLY NICE.
AND, AND I'M SURE PEOPLE THAT WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING SOME, SOME TREE COVER, A NICE, UH, TREE LINED STREET INSTEAD OF, UH, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A HIGHWAY.
AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS ON COFIELD, WE CAN MOVE TO ELI WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ONLY DREAMS COME TRUE ON ELI, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST A, A BUDGET FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SLURRY SEAL.
SO WE HAVE TO TEMPER OUR, OUR DREAMS AND WISHES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? UH, FIRST SECTION, THE NORTHERN SECTION OF, UH, ELI FROM WASHINGTON TO CLYDESDALE? GO AHEAD, FRANK.
YEAH, MY, MY MAIN COMMENTS ARE AROUND, UH, PUTTING IN CONTROL CROSSWALKS.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, SORRY, I'M JUST PULLING UP MY MAP HERE.
IT'S, UH, I THINK FOR ME, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING BETWEEN, UH, GRILLIC.
SO WE HAVE A CROSSWALK, A GRILLIC, AND THEN IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, TO THE PATH, TO THE, UM, YEAH, TO THE PATHWAY.
AND SO WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT WAS AT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT'S COMING OUT.
AND TO ME, THE ONE THAT PROBABLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS AT CLYDESDALE AND PUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT CROSSES RIGHT TO THE, UM, RIGHT TO THE BUS STOP.
THAT, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT COMMENT FROM OUR PUBLIC COMMENTER.
I, I TOOK A LOOK AND THERE'S A, I THINK A, A GOOD SPOT FOR A CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD SERVE THAT BUS STOP DIRECTLY.
BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE, UM, SOMEONE A PLACE, A CROSS ON A VERY LONG CROSS SECTION, UH, VERY LONG SECTION OF ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING, BUT IT ALSO ACTS AS A TRAFFIC CALMING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UH, IF IT HAS AN ISLAND, THAT SORT OF THING.
WE HAVE TO, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE KIND OF LEFT TURN, UH, NEEDS IN THAT AREA FOR ISLANDS AND SORT OF TRY TO LINE SOMETHING UP ALSO WHEN WE WILL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BE THAT CROSSWALK WILL BE IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOME.
SO WHENEVER WE'RE IN A CONDITION LIKE THAT, WE ALWAYS TRY TO AIM THE CROSSWALK TO A PROPERTY LINE.
UM, JUST SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS IMPACTFUL ON, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER.
SO, WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT I, I HAVE THAT NOTE AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT LOCATION, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE BUS STOP AND, AND THE FACT THAT IT, IT DOES BREAK UP THE STRETCH.
WELL, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY SORT OF, UM, SO WE'RE TALKING
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ABOUT THE NORTHERN PART THERE.WELL, I GUESS, UH, MY OTHER COMMENT IS DOWN, UM, IF THE BUDGET DOESN'T ALLOW, UH, FOR REPAVING, UH, BETWEEN CASA AND FREIGHT, UM, PERHAPS THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WORKED INTO THE CASA PROJECT.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT'S COMING ONLINE, BUT I YEAH.
WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO AFTER.
UH, ELI CAULFIELD, YOU'RE JUMPING AHEAD.
YEAH, BUT I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC CALMING.
UM, I'M SURE IT'S OUT OF THE SCOPE AND BUDGET FOR SLURRY SEAL, BUT I'VE, UH, MENTIONED IN THE PAST, AND WE'LL PUT IN A ANOTHER WORD FOR, UM, RAISED CROSSWALKS.
UH, IF YOU HAD FROM THAT BUS STOP ACROSS ELI, A RAISED CROSSWALK, UM, THEN THAT WOULD OF COURSE, UH, SERVE AS A SPEED CUSHION AS WELL.
UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT ALL OVER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS SLIDE? UM, I GUESS I SHOULD PROBABLY GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WE WERE ON 22.
UH, YEAH, OUT OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF SLURRY SEAL, BUT, UM, BUT IF NOT, UM, STREET TREES HERE AS WELL.
UH, I DON'T SEE ANY LANDSCAPING BEING ADDED ALONG, UH, ELI IN THIS PLAN.
UM, IF STREET TREES, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS, BUT
YEAH, THERE WAS, I THINK THE IDEA OF MAYBE REPLACING SAY ONE PARKING SPOT EVERY SIX OR SOMETHING WITH A STREET TREE THAT COULD STILL TRY TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF PARKING, BUT ADD THAT NICE KIND OF GREEN CORRIDOR THAT YOU FIND FURTHER DOWN.
YEAH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK INTERESTED IN STARTING TO INCORPORATE IN PAVING PROJECTS.
UH, PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH A SLURRY SAIL PROJECT, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR ELI, WHICH IS, UM, THAT'S THE U-S-D-O-T SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A, BASICALLY A QUICK BUILD PROJECT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD QUALIFY FOR THAT, BUT MAYBE FOR THE NEXT PASS.
UH, WELL THEN IF WE WANT TO PLEASE STOP ME IF I'M GOING TOO FAST, UH, MOVE TO CLYDESDALE DE CASA.
ANYONE SEE ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO BRING UP? UH, YEAH, JUST I GUESS THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MINIMUM TRAVEL LANE WIDTH IS, IF IT COULD BE 10, THEY CATCH YOU, UH, 10 FEET, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.
IF THAT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE AND CAN SQUEEZE IN SOME LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, I THINK THAT COULD BE, COULD BE VALUABLE.
BUT SORRY, IT'S SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL
WELL, BETWEEN THE LANES THERE, IF THOSE COULD GET TO 10 AND, AND THE TURNING LANE TO 10, THAT GIVES US AN EXTRA TWO FEET, UH, WHICH COULD HELP GIVE, UH, BUFFERS BETWEEN THE, THE BIKE LANE AND THE CARS.
I SEE THE BIKE LANES ARE SEVEN, WHICH IS NICE, BUT THEY DON'T ONLY NEED TO BE SIX TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH OTHER SPOTS.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT COULD GIVE US SPACE TO PUT A BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARTS, CARS AND THE, AND THE BIKE LANE.
AND IF I COULD JUST MAYBE ADD FOR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS, WHEN THAT KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON MY QUESTION, WHEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUT IN THAT CLASS FOUR, UH, DESIGNATION AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF VERTICAL BARRIER, IT'D BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT ON HERE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST KIND OF THE STRIPES, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY SOME TYPE OF, UH, BARRIER DISTINCTION.
YEAH, AND I, I DO TRY TO DO THAT WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING BARRIERS, SO ON CALL FIELD, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THAT THERE, BUT WITH ELI, UM, REALLY WE NEED TO MAINTAIN PERMEABILITY OF THAT, OF THE PARKING LANE WITH THE PARKING LANE AND ALL THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, IT'S, UH, YOU'D BE VERY LIMITED IN PLACES WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY GO VERTICAL.
IT'S, IT'S MORE SO, UM, REALLY THE, THE, THE TREATMENT ON ELI, ON THIS SECTION OF ELI WOULD BE SHIFTING TO PARKING PROTECTED WHERE, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT I'M NOT THINKING OF WHERE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF PARKING NEED, UH, WHERE WE COULD GO VERTICAL.
BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT YOU'VE EITHER GOT A PAINT, BUFFERED BIKE LANE OR A PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANE.
I'D LIKE PARKING PROTECTED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE, UM, THE VOLUME OF CARS THERE AND SPEED, THAT MIGHT BE TRICKY THOUGH,
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MAYBE IN THE FUTURE.UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON SLIDE 23? CAN MOVE TO CLYDESDALE TO CASA, SLIDE 24, WHERE WE DO SEE, UM, PARKING PROTECTED BIKE LANES.
AND I THINK ONCE WE KIND OF GET THROUGH OUR CONCEPT PLAN TOO, IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHERE THESE AREAS ARE, UH, WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THIS.
AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF THE COVERAGE, WHAT, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT, BECAUSE YEAH.
HAS PARKING PROTECTED VERSUS BUFFERED.
AND THAT MIGHT HELP MAKE SOME, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME SECTION.
AND SO I, I SEE THE BIKE LANE AND THE PARKING SWITCHING AND, UH, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE A SLALOM.
YEAH, IT'D BE MORE KIND OF BLOCK TO BLOCK BASIS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT STREET TREES THERE.
UM, AND THEN
UH, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL THAT WAY.
UH, IF THEY DING A MIRROR ONCE IN A WHILE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GOOD DAY.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S BETTER THAN THE DAY THE PEDESTRIAN'S GONNA HAVE, WHO GETS HIT AT 40 MILES AN HOUR.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE CLYDESDALE, THE CASA GRANDE SECTION? OKAY.
UH, TO THE LAST ONE THERE, CASA GRANDE OF FREIGHTS OR FREIS, WHICH IS A NICE, IT'S A UNIQUE LITTLE SECTION.
UH, FRANK ALREADY MENTIONED IT A LITTLE BIT, JASON, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT.
ANYONE ELSE SAID SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT? I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND I SHOULD HAVE NOTED, SORRY, THIS CROSS SECTION WE'RE LOOKING, UH, NORTH ON ELI FROM, LIKE, IMAGINE YOUR BACK IS TO FREIGHTS, YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS CASA, THE CURB LINE KIND OF MOVES IN AND OUT ON THE, UH, NORTHBOUND SIDE.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF PARKING PULLOUTS AND THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE INCONSISTENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED LEAVING PARKING AT THE CURB THERE.
UM, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE WEIRD FOR THE BIKE, LIKE TO FOLLOW THE CURB LINE WITH HOW MUCH IT SHIFTS IN AND OUT.
IT'S JUST EASIER TO, TO KEEP PARKING AT THE CURB.
UM, AND THEN, SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED PERMEABILITY THERE.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME SECTIONS WHERE WE COULD LOOK AT SOME SORT OF VERTICAL ELEMENT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PARKED CARS OVER THERE.
UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRE, UM, CAN GET THROUGH AND, AND TALK TO THEM.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU INTRODUCE A VERTICAL ELEMENT HERE, UM, IN SOME SECTION, OR LET'S SAY YOU INTRODUCE A VERTICAL ELEMENT HERE, UH, YOU MIGHT BE TAKING AWAY THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET BY, UH, OR TO GET THROUGH.
YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR FEEDBACK FOR US DOES KIND OF VARY BASED ON HOW FREQUENTLY THEY ACTUALLY USE, RELY UPON STREETS, CERTAIN STREETS FOR, UH, RESPONSE AND, AND, UM, HOW CRITICAL THEY ARE TO THEIR, UH, TO THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
SO WE CAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A UNIFORM GUIDANCE THAT WE GET FROM FIRE.
IT KIND OF VARIES DEPENDING ON THE STREETS SOMETIMES.
GETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DISCUSSION AND TAKING THINGS CASE BY CASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SECTION THAT I, UH, IT'S, IT'S HAIRY BECAUSE THERE'RE AND PARTS OF IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TWO LANES AND, AND NO BIKE LANE AND YOU KINDA DON'T KNOW, UH, WHERE YOU SHOULD BE.
UM, I, I HEAR THAT AND I'VE, I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT GOING DOWN TO ONE LANE.
EACH DIRECTION WILL TOTALLY RESOLVE THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO HAPPEN ON THIS SEGMENT ARE ALL OUTTA SCOPE FOR A RE UH, A SLURRY SEAL.
EVEN IF YOU, YOU COULD DO SLURRY SEAL.
SO IT'S, UH, IT'S WHAT WHAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE DONE CAN BE DONE IS, IS MORE THAN THE BUDGET ALLOWS.
UM, AND WHAT THE BUDGET DOES ALLOW IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T REALLY WANNA DO ANYWAYS.
SO KIND OF AN AWKWARD FIT HERE.
UM, BUT JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, MY DREAM FOR THIS SECTION WOULD BE TO, UM, PUT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC ON ONE SIDE OF THE MEDIAN AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A LINEAR PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, THAT YOU COULD TEAR UP, FILL IN, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH, HAVE A HUGE SECTION.
IT WOULD BE WHATEVER, WHERE EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE.
UM, AND, UH, A MODEL FOR ANY OTHER REALLY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE PART WAY THERE ALREADY WITH THE FOUR LANES.
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UM, TAKE THAT, IF YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN TO TWO LANES, YOU GOT SPACE ON ONE SIDE, UM, YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ANY STREET PARKING.ALL OF THE, THE HOMES THERE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE LITTLE CUL-DE-SACS, THEY'VE GOT EXTRA PARKING THAT YOU CAN SEE IS UNUSED MOST OF THE TIME.
UM, SO YEAH, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR DOING SOMETHING REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND DRAMATIC AND EXCITING, UM, THAT, UH, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD REALLY LOVE ONCE IT'S DONE
THEY MIGHT NOT LOVE THE, THE CONCEPT, BUT, UH, IT WOULD LOOK REALLY GREAT TO, UH, PUT ALL THAT TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE MEDIAN, UH, AND THE WAY IT WOULD TIE INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, IF THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT ATREUS TWO, THAT WOULD BE GLORIOUS.
UM, YEAH, THAT COULD BE A TEMPLATE FOR WHAT WE SHOULD SEE ALL OVER TOWN.
I REALLY HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT PROBABLY HONESTLY PROBABLY WOULD WORK.
BUT, UH, YEAH, OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF A THORAC SEAL PROJECT, SO WE CAN JUST, UH, PUT IT ON THE DREAM PILE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, CASA GRANDE FREIGHTS? OKAY.
INTERSECTION AND CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US NEED TO BE CONVINCED THE BENEFITS OF ROUNDABOUTS, BUT PLEASE CHIME IN.
THEY'RE SO ROUND, THEY'RE SO ROUND
I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE PAINTED BULB OUTS.
I UNDERSTAND MAYBE AS A SHORT TERM MEASURE.
UM, BUT IT JUST, IT CREATES THIS NO MAN'S LAND OF KIND WASTED SPACE THAT COLLECTS TRASH.
UH, I WOULD MUCH PREFER WHEREVER WE CAN TO ACTUALLY PUSH THE CURB OUT AND MAKE A SPACE FOR LEMONADE STANDS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A PLACE WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD ACTUALLY STAND, UM, WITH THE PAINTED THINGS THAT I SEE HOW IT'S QUICK AND SHEEP, BUT, UM, I DON'T LOVE IT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO SLIDE 27.
IT WAS SOMETHING YOU, UM, VERBALLY SAID, UH, I'VE ACTUALLY SENT THIS TO MY MOM.
'CAUSE SHE'S LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THESE ROUNDABOUTS
YOU JUST CAN'T, I FEEL LIKE JUST ADDING MAYBE THAT TO THE SLIDE YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU SAY CONFLICT POINTS, BUT YEAH, KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF CONFLICT I FEEL LIKE IS A LOT MORE VISCERAL FOR PEOPLE TO SAY LIKE, OH YEAH, THAT WOULD BE BAD.
IT ELIMINATES HEAD ON COLLISIONS ENTIRELY.
I THINK THAT THOSE ARE TWO JUST REALLY GOOD POINTS YEAH.
THAT NEED TO BE MAYBE JUST SPELLED OUT.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE MESSAGING FEEDBACK.
YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE, UH, ON THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, IS, UH, AND, AND I'M SURE STAFF HAS ALREADY TAKEN THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT REALLY GIVE SPECIAL TREATMENT TO ELLA, UM, WITH ITS PROXIMITY TO LA TO SARAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A NEED TO PUT FLASHING LIGHTS OR SOMETHING THERE TO MAKE IT, UM, EASIER FOR, YOU KNOW, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS, EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT NORMALLY PUT THAT AT AN INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.
THAT'S, UH, WHERE I GO WITH MY KIDS ON OUR BIKES CROSSING AT AND, UM, THE, THE VISIBILITY IS NOT GREAT.
AND SO PEOPLE GOING EAST ON COFIELD ARE IN A HURRY.
THEY'RE GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR HOUR.
YOU, YOU SEE ALL THE TIME WHERE THEY WERE NOT PLANNING TO STOP AND AT THE LAST SECOND THEY SEE US.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THAT LAST SECOND IS NOT GONNA BE A SECOND.
IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A MILLISECOND AND THEN IT'S TOO LATE.
UM, SO YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING A FOUR-WAY STOP IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE LANE OR, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES EACH DIRECTION.
BUT, UH, DEFINITELY, UH, POTENTIAL HAZARDS THERE.
AND COULD WE ACTUALLY GO BACK TO SLIDE 28? THAT'S 4 28.
UM, IT GETS TO, UM, KIND OF LIKE THE, THE, I GUESS THE BEAUTY IN A WAY.
UM, SO GIVEN THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF A QUICK BUILD, I LIVE REAL CLOSE TO THIS PAY RAN PICTURE, AND IT'S YEAH.
BUT, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH KIND OF TAKING ON MORE OF THESE QUICK BUILD PROJECTS, HAVE SOME TYPE OF DESIGN ELEMENT THAT'S INCLUDED.
UM, AND I THINK I'VE TALKED WITH SOME OTHER STAFF ABOUT THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT LIKE A CHICKEN ON THERE OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS THINKING LIKE, WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE PETALUMA STAR THAT'S GOT LIKE A STAR AND THEN THE CIRCLE, OR JUST THE, WHAT ARE THE COLORS OF PETALUMA? YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S, LIKE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT TEALISH OR WHATEVER COLOR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST FIGURING OUT HOW CAN YOU MAKE THINGS
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JUST LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND SAY, THIS IS PETALUMA, THIS ISN'T JUST ANYWHERE JOE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS.SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO THE RIGHT FOLKS TO TALK TO ABOUT THAT ARE.
UM, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING MORE DONE AT A VERY LOW COST JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FLAVOR TO THESE AND YEAH.
MAKE 'EM STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO AS WELL.
LIKE IF THAT WHITE JUST KIND OF BLENDS IN TOGETHER, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING CAREFULLY, YOU COULD PROBABLY JUST JUMP RIGHT OVER IT VERSUS YEAH.
SOMETHING JUST WITH A LITTLE MORE COLOR.
I THINK, AND IT'S BEEN A GOAL OF MINE TO TRY TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC ART INTO THESE.
IT'S JUST, WE HAVEN'T REALLY FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
IT'S, UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WITH ELI, MAYBE THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT ALL OF THE PAINTED BULL BOUTS WE COULD, YOU KNOW, FIND, UH, MURALS TO, TO FILL THOSE IN WITH OR SOMETHING.
OR EVEN JUST, UH, A HAND DEVELOPING A HANDFUL OF TEMPLATES THAT COULD BE USED KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR TO CREATE SOME BOTH CONTINUITY AND VARIETY.
UH, SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE MORE VISUALLY INTERESTING THAN THE BEIGE PAINT.
IT TAKE REMINDS ME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF PORTLAND'S EARLY WORK OF JUST DOING YEAH, GREAT MURALS, UH, EVEN IF THERE'S SOME BUDGET FOR PAINT, WORKING WITH SCHOOLS TO, UM, I KNOW SAN ANTONIO IS CLOSE TO THAT ONE, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, BUT JUST FIGURING OUT LIKE WHEN THERE ARE PROJECT OPPORTUNITIES, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT A LOCAL SCHOOL GIVES THEM? YEAH.
MORE IDENTITY, MORE OWNERSHIP OVER THOSE SPACES AND JUST MAKES IT MORE, MORE UNIQUE AS WELL TOO.
SO SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE KIND OF A STANDARD DESIGN OR TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME LOCAL ARTISTS, BE THEM SCHOOL KIDS OR PROFESSIONALS.
I THINK WHERE WE STRUGGLE IS IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT OUR AREA, OUR STRENGTH IN PUBLIC WORKS
AND SO IT'S, UM, IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OUR COMFORT ZONE, AND THEN IT'S JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF, I THINK, FIGURE OUT HOW TO, UH, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THESE PROJECTS EARLY IN THE PROCESS SO THAT, UH, AND SO IT'S A GREAT CALL FOR ELI.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WITH A QUICK BUILD PROJECT WHERE IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, UM, ELI IS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A YEAR OUT.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIGURE OUT.
I THINK IT'S PART OF THAT KIND OF COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLIST, RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE ADDING TREES AND STORMWATER, ADD ART TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, IF ANYONE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE, UH, I DUNNO WHAT YOU CALL THESE DIAGRAMS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT.
UM,
THAT'S A, A MICROSOFT, UH, ICON.
AND IT'S NOT MEANT FOR ROUNDABOUTS, BUT SORRY TO NITPICK.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE LAST THURSDAY WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THOSE DIAGRAMS. THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, OTHER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, AT THAT BUS STOP, MAYBE ANOTHER, UM, CROSSWALK.
AND THAT WAS, UH, THIS CLYDESDALE INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.
AND YEAH, IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, THERE'S A NICE BUS PULLOUT AND A, A SHELTER.
UH, IT'S LIKE A, A PRETTY, PRETTY NICE BUS STOP AS FAR AS CITY BUS STOPS GO.
MAY HAVE JUST PLANTED SOME TREES THERE TOO.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, THE, THE CURRENT STATE? YEP.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, THIS IS JUST, UM, LEFT FIELD QUESTION, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION OR BREAKDOWN ABOUT ACCIDENTS? LIKE CROSSWALKS, LIKE THE, LIKE SHADOW ACCIDENTS VERSUS, UM, JUST SINGLE CAR, SINGLE PASSENGER.
JUST 'CAUSE I'VE NOTICED IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT THERE IS, WHEN THERE, WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S A FOUR UP LANE, WHEN IT'S TWO EACH WAY, TWO LANES EACH WAY, THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION EVEN WITH THE BLINKING LIGHTS.
UM, AS TO, AND I'VE SEEN THIS, UM, ON MCDOWELL, UH, NORTH MCDOWELL QUITE A BIT WITH A CROSSWALK THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE PEDESTRIAN AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE THEY'VE CLEARED OR NOT.
DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION OR ANY DATA AROUND KIND OF SINGLE, LIKE, LIKE A, THE SHADOW ACCIDENTS VERSUS, UH, SINGLE, LIKE A SINGLE LANE CROSSWALKS VERSUS MULTI-LANE? YEAH.
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READY, BUT I'M SURE THERE IS, THERE IS.I'M, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OUT THERE ABOUT ROAD DIETS OR LANE REDUCTIONS OR LANE CONVERSIONS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM.
UM, AND I'M SURE THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND SO I CAN, UH, IF YOU WANT AN EXACT, WE COULD PROBABLY FIND A STUDY THAT, UM, OFFERS UP A, UH, PERCENT REDUCTION IN COL UH, PEDESTRIAN COLLISIONS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
I THINK IT, IT JUST, JUST IN THE, SORRY, JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF PREVENTING THESE TYPE OF ACCIDENTS, LIKE WHAT IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY AND WHAT KIND OF VISIBILITY, UM, YEAH.
PREVENTS THAT KIND OF ACCIDENT.
AM I, LIKE, I, I'M CLEAR ABOUT THE, UM, I'M JUST CHECKING WITH THE, THE COMMITTEE I AM, I CLEAR ABOUT LIKE THE, THE, WHAT THIS ACCIDENT IS, LIKE WHAT THIS PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENT IS, WHAT IS A SHADOW ACCIDENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S THE, IT'S THE ACCIDENT WHERE YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND A CROSSWALK, AND YOU'VE GOT ONE DRIVER WHO STOPS AND ANOTHER DRIVER WHO DOESN'T YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS, UH, SHOWING US SLIDE 16, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SHOWN.
YEAH, SO JUST WONDERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FLASHING LIGHTS VERSUS SIGNAGE VERSUS, UM, YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT THE STUDY, LIKE WITH, WITH RAINIER, AGAIN POINTING TO A PROJECT THAT'S IN PROCESS, UM, MAYBE TAKING SOME LESSONS LEARNED FROM RAINIER, UM, AND APPLYING THEM TO THIS, THIS PROJECT.
ANYWAY, SO SOUNDED LIKE NO OTHER COMMENTS ON, SORRY, JUST ONE, ONE MORE, UH, JUST TO MAKE A CASE ALSO FOR WILLOW DRIVE FOR A CROSSING, IT'S THE ONE STREET THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO KIND OF THE EDGE OF, UM, I GUESS TO OUT TO SKY RANCH ROAD TO KIND OF THE TRAIL OUT THERE.
I'M JUST LOOKING OUT AT WHERE WILLOW DRIVE AND SKY RANCH DRIVE R THERE'S NOT LIKE AN OFFICIAL CROSSING OR ROAD OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT IS KIND OF SOMEWHAT LIKE AN INFORMAL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
THERE'S A LITTLE ONE ON APPALOOSA CIRCLE I'VE USED, UM, CONNECTS THROUGH THE FENCE THERE, BUT YEAH.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET ACROSS EASILY FROM WILLOW DRIVE TO SKY RANCH.
BUT I DO GO DOWN SKY RANCH TO GET OVER TO PRINCE PARK.
UM, THAT'S A NICE BIKE CORRIDOR, RIGHT? THE AUSA ONE WAS THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF.
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS HOLE IN THE FENCE.
THAT GETS YOU OVER TO THE, THE RIM TRAIL.
UM, BUT YEAH, WILLOW DOES KIND OF GET YOU, YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE LIKE ALL THESE FOLKS WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY USE WILLOW AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE COULD KIND OF SNAKE THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS.
UH, THAT GETS THROUGH ALL THE CONTENT SLIDES.
I HAVE KIND OF A LIST OF GENERAL STUFF, BUT I'LL JUST SEND IT TO YOU.
I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL MY GENERAL THOUGHTS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, UM, TO ALLEVIATE, UM, THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS ALONG COFFEE FIELD, ESPECIALLY ST.
FRANCIS AND THE POTENTIAL, UM, ROUNDABOUT THERE.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A TRUCK ROUTE.
YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, UM, COUNCIL COULD CHANGE THAT.
UM, I HIGHLIGHTED UP THE, THE MAP, THE TRUCK ROUTE MAP TO SEE, UM, YEAH, ANYWAYS, MAYBE A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT, UH, IN PREP FOR THIS PROJECT, IF THAT COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FREIGHT TRUCK MAP, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE JUST ONE LESS THING TO HAVE TO DESIGN AROUND.
UM, MAYBE GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY ON LANDSCAPING AND THE RADIUS OF, UH, ROUNDABOUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
JUST, UH, WANTED TO SAY THANKS, UH, FOR THE, THE REALLY DETAILED FEEDBACK AND APPRECIATE, UH, YEAH, A LOT, LOT OF REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE, FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND ATTENTION ON THIS.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MY DREAM.
UM, I FEEL LIKE, UH, IT'S THE, THE, THE STATUS QUO HAS MOVED.
LIKE, I SEE A, A A FOUR LANE TO, TO TWO LANES AND A AND A TURN LANE AS THE NEW STATUS QUO.
AND SO WE'RE
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BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW AT THE STATUS QUO.LET'S, LET'S AIM FOR THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY COFFEE OF MAJOR UPGRADE, I DON'T, WHAT IS THAT 20, 30, 50 YEARS OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE INVESTING IN.
UM, SO REALLY WOULD BE SAD TO LEAVE ANYTHING ON THE TABLE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SAY, OH, TAKE CARE OF IT IN, IN A GENERATION.
UH, SO WITH THAT, UM, I THINK WE CAN CLOSE, OH, NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, ARE THERE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE, WE ALREADY DID PUBLIC COMMENT.
SORRY, THIS IS, YEAH, I'VE LOST MY PLACE IN THE AGENDA.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO COMMITTEE COMMENT NOW.
UM, SO MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMITTEE, INCLUDING REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, START ON THIS END.
YEAH, SO I'LL PROVIDE COMMENTS.
UM, THESE AREN'T SUPER RELEVANT, UH, TO PVAC, BUT I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF BEING GOOD INFORMED CITIZENS, I THINK THEY'RE NICE TO KNOW.
UM, WE HAD A COUPLE OF BACK-TO-BACK COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF MEATY THINGS.
UH, AND THIS WEEK, UM, IF YOU'VE READ ANY OF THE NEWS ABOUT THE NORTH BAY ANIMAL SERVICES, UM, THE, THE ISSUE THAT HAPPENED UP IN CLEAR LAKE, IT WAS ALL OVER THE PAPER.
SO IT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU HADN'T SEEN THAT.
BUT COUNCIL MOVED TO TERMINATE THE ANIMAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH NORTH BAY ANIMAL SERVICES, AND THERE'S A, A PLAN IN PLACE FOR A COUPLE OF, UH, UH, LIKE THE HUMANE SERVICES AND, UH, MARIN ANIMAL SERVICES COMING IN AND HELPING SORT OF GET, UH, PETALUMA, UM, SORT OF STABILIZED.
NOT THAT WE HAD A MAJOR ISSUE LIKE CLEAR LAKE, BUT THESE TYPES OF TRANSITIONS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN.
AND THEN IF ANY OF YOU WERE FOLLOWING, UM, THE, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE NEWS OR ANY OF THE UPDATES RELATED TO THE HOTEL, UM, THERE WAS A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, THAT SUPPORTED A 6.0 FAR, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF TECHNICAL SPEAK.
UM, BUT THAT GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT WAS WHAT WAS REFERENDUM.
SO IF YOU SAW IN THE NEWS THAT THERE WAS A REFERENDUM TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT FOR, UH, FOR PETALUMA CITIZENS TO VOTE ON, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE ECAN HOTEL HAS COME FORTH WITH A, UM, WITH A, ESSENTIALLY A ZONE COMPLIANT PROJECT, WHICH MAKES THAT REQUIREMENT NO LONGER NEEDED.
UM, AND SO YOU WON'T SEE, SO WE REPEALED THE AMENDMENT THAT, UH, WAS PUSHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PUSHING FOR THE, THE REFERENDUM.
SO THERE, THERE WON'T BE A REFERENDUM.
AND THEN I WANNA GIVE A BIG THANKS SJO, UH, AND THE FOLKS THAT, THAT HE WORKS WITH ON HIS TEAM, UH, THEY BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, UM, A WEEK AGO MONDAY, A AN ORDINANCE TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON I STREET AND FREIGHTS ROAD.
UM, THERE'S A LARGER PROJECT COMING FORTH WHERE, UH, THEIR TEAM IS LOOKING AT PROPOSED SPEED LIMIT REDUCTIONS THROUGHOUT, UM, PETALUMA ON, ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THESE TWO IN PLACE, UH, SOONER.
UH, AND PART OF THE REASON WAS, KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IS THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE ON THOSE ROADS THAT ESSENTIALLY CALM TRAFFIC, UH, WHICH BROUGHT THE, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GO OUT AND TAKE THAT 85TH PERCENT READING AND USE THAT TO COME BACK AND, AND LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO, UM, I WANT TO, I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM FOR THAT.
UH, AND THEN I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST WEEK OR LAST MEETING, UM, BUT JUST A HEADS UP, THE, YOU KNOW, I ALSO SERVE ON THE, ON THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
PETALUMA TRANSIT IS FACING, UM, QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTED FUNDING SHORTFALL.
IT'S ACTUALLY PROJECTED TO BE 23%, A 23% FUNDING SHORTFALL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
UM, SO ON APRIL 6TH THERE'S GONNA BE A WORKSHOP, UH, HERE IN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND AT THAT, THAT WORKSHOP, THEY'LL DISCUSS, UH, UH, POTENTIAL SERVICE REDUCTIONS AND, AND GET, UH, THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE INPUT THERE.
SO AGAIN, IF THAT'S AN AREA THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU CARE ABOUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP.
AND THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
UH, I THINK WE, OH, SORRY, JOANNA.
AND THEN I WAS GOING DOWN THE LINE.
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MY, WHERE I WAS CODY, UH,[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
SURE.UH, FOR PARKS AND REC, UM, RELEVANT ITEMS, UH, I STARTED A, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH, UH, CHAIR, UH, I'M VICE CHAIR, CHAIR AND I, UH, STARTED AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR PARKS AND REC.
UM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SORT OF A CITYWIDE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER CITY, UH, NONPROFITS AND ORGANIZATIONS WITH A RELATED GOAL, UM, UH, CREATING A PUBLIC OUTREACH CAMPAIGN WITH A GOAL OF GETTING THE PUBLIC TO TAKE MORE OWNERSHIP OF THEIR SPACES.
SO AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, PEOPLE CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES AND LEAN SPACES AS NICE AS WHEN THEY CAME.
SO CITY STAFF CAN SPEND LESS TIME CLEANING UP PEOPLE'S GARBAGE AND MORE TIME ON MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST STARTING TO PLAN HOW WE WILL DO THIS, UH, AND HOW, HOW WE'LL REACH OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO GET THEM TO TEAM UP.
UH, IT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS A CULTURE SHIFT INSPIRED BY, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETHING LIKE A PLACES LIKE JAPAN THAT HAVE NO TRASH CANS BUT NO LITTER OR, UM, THE CHAIR, UH, OF PARKS AND REC, UM, WORKED WITH PARKS IN SAN FRANCISCO AND THEY DID HAVE A SIMILAR THING, UM, CHANGING THE CULTURE IN, UH, DOLORES PARK BECAUSE IT WAS HAVING THE SAME ISSUE AND NOW PEOPLE CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES.
SO THE VERY EARLY STAGES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST ROLLING OUT, SO I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME WAYS THIS, UM, COMMITTEE CAN TIE IN.
AT OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD, UM, A, UH, SHOW ABOUT SPACE MAKING THROUGH PUBLIC ART AT THE, UH, ART CENTER.
AND THEN THAT WAS FOLLOWED UP BY A WALKING TOUR OF PUBLIC ART, UM, IN, UM, AROUND PETALUMA.
AND I ACTUALLY SAW, UM, COM C COMMITTEE MEMBER BASHAW THE OTHER DAY.
UM, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT FOR A, A BIKING TOUR OF PUBLIC ART IN PETALUMA.
AND THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED LAST WEEK AT OUR MEETING.
SO, UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO WORK ON IF MAYBE YOU WANT PUBLIC ART TO COME OUT, GIVE YOU PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING REALLY COOL TO, TO TALK ABOUT.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENTS, UH, SO I CAN CLOSE THAT AND GO TO STAFF COMMENT,
[STAFF COMMENT]
UH, NOT MUCH FROM ME TODAY.UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF.
UM, I'LL JUST KIND OF, I'LL VERBALLY SHARE.
UH, WE DID HAVE OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION KICKOFF MEETING WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHO WILL BE, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON RAINIER AVENUE.
SO THAT PROJECT WILL BE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY OUT THERE, UM, THROUGH SPRING AND, AND SUMMER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK AT OUR LAST MEETING WE WENT OVER THE WAY FINDING REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
AND SO, UH, I DID GET THAT, UH, PUBLISHED THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.
UM, AND I'VE HEARD FROM LOTS OF, UH, LOTS OF CONSULTING FIRMS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PROPOSING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE A GOOD POOL TO CHOOSE FROM, UH, ON THAT, ON THAT FRONT.
AND EXCITED TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE.
THOSE ARE ALL DUE THIS FRIDAY, SO EXCITED TO SEE WHAT WE GET.
AND, UH, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN UPDATE.
WE'LL HAVE A CONSULTANT HIRED AND, AND READY TO GO, UH, BY THE TIME WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, JUST, UH, TWO THINGS TO KIND OF PUT ON YOUR RADAR.
UH, I'M SURPRISED ADAM DIDN'T MENTION IT.
THE, UH, THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH ADAM COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO MUCH BETTER THAN ME, IT'S THE LONG RANGE, UH, FINANCIALLY UNCONSTRAINED PLAN THAT SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES USES TO, UM, HELP UH, KIND OF IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE, UH, INVESTMENTS IN OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
THEIR DRAFT PLAN WAS JUST RELEASED, UH, I DUNNO, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK, AND IT'S, UH, THEY ARE ALLOWING COMMENTS ON THAT DRAFT PLAN THROUGH MARCH 23RD.
SO I'VE GOT THE LINK HERE AND WE'LL SEND THIS, GET THIS PDF OUT TO YOU AND ALSO PUBLISHED ON THE MEETING PAGE SO YOU CAN ACCESS THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ADAM, IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, JUST TO MENTION, THERE'S A, A GREAT PROJECT LIST ALSO THAT YOU CAN SEARCH THROUGH JUST TO SEE WHAT ARE ALL OF THE KIND OF BIG PICTURE IDEAS THAT THE CITY HAS PUT FORWARD THAT MIGHT NOT BE FUNDABLE, UM, IN THE NEAR TERM, BUT LONGER TERM AS FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE.
SO YOU CAN REALLY KIND OF SEE WHERE THE AMBITIONS ARE FOR THE CITY.
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AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS ACROSS SONOMA COUNTY AS WELL TOO, AS WELL AS SOME GREAT CHARTS AND GRAPHS MADE BY ME,AND IT'S UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO.
SO, UH, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE A PET PROJECT THAT'S A MEGA PROJECT THAT'S NOT IN THERE YET, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
IT MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE A, A CHANCE AT THE NEXT ONE.
UM, AND THEN OUR NEXT, UH, THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IS AN OPEN HOUSE WE ARE HOLDING FOR OUR LAKEVILLE CORRIDOR MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENT STUDY.
UH, THIS WILL BE A REALLY INTERACTIVE AND ENGAGING OPEN HOUSE WHERE WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL PROPOSED, UH, SEVERAL OF THOSE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WE BROUGHT ACTUALLY TO, UH, TO PBA A WHILE BACK.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PROVIDE DETAILED FEEDBACK ON ALL OF THOSE CONCEPT PLANS.
WE ALSO JUST LEARNED WE WILL HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CALTRANS THERE, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE WEREN'T, UH, ANTICIPATING THAT, BUT THEY'LL BE THERE TO, UM, RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON THEIR PAVING PROJECT ON THE CALTRANS SECTION OF LAKEVILLE, WHICH WILL BE TAKING PLACE IN 2028.
SO, UM, GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND SEE THEIR PLANS.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT OUR REQUEST THEY HAVE UPGRADED THE, THEY PREVIOUSLY WERE PROPOSING PAINT BUFFERED BIKE LANES ON LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROTECTED BIKE LANES NOW.
AND THEN JUST TO, AND SORRY, I NEGLECTED TO JUST MENTION, SO THAT'S TUESDAY THE 24TH FROM FOUR TO 7:00 PM AT ME WALK ELEMENTARY AND, UH, KIND OF A ROLLING.
WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION UP FRONT, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THERE RIGHT AT FOUR, UM, YOU SHOULDN'T BE, UH, TOO MUCH OF A DISADVANTAGE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO STILL ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT, UM, STATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, HAVEN'T UPDATED THIS FOR A WHILE, BUT JUST KIND OF A REFRESH ON SOME OF THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED.
I, AND, UH, HAPPY TO, IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, HAPPY TO ADD THOSE OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU CAN SHARE THOSE OFFLINE AS WELL.
AND WITH THAT, WE CAN ADJOURN AT, UH, 9:08 PM THANK YOU.