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[CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 17TH, 2026.SO MELANIE, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE ABRAMS HERE.
VASQUEZ ISARE HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE READY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC TO COMMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? THEN I'LL SKIP THE PARAGRAPH REGARDING PROTOCOL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SINCE WE HAVE A LOT TO DISCUSS, BUT I WILL ASK IF WE HAD ANY GENERAL COMMENT EMAILS BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO I'M CLOSING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
AH, SO NOW, UM, WE'RE MOVING ON TO PRESENTATIONS, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND UH, THIS EVENING WE ARE APPROVING BOTH THE JANUARY 20TH AND FEBRUARY 17TH MINUTES, UH, FOR THIS YEAR.SO THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE WHO HAS, UH, COMMENTS OR CHANGES, UH, TO REQUEST FOR THE MINUTES.
I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE ON THE FEBRUARY 17TH MEETING, SO, OKAY.
BUT IT SHOWS THAT YOU WERE WELL IT DOES AND THEN IT DOESN'T
THERE WAS ACTUALLY A FUNNY THING WITH THE ATTENDANCE 'CAUSE IT LISTED THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS AND THEN IT LISTED WHO WAS HERE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO DELETE THAT ONE ROW.
YEAH, WE DID NOTICE THAT ERROR.
SO WE'LL CORRECT THAT AND THEN WE WILL CREATE CONSISTENCY WITH THE ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, MR. TAR AND MAKE SURE THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE UPDATED MINUTES.
ANY OTHER, UM, CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES? UH, I HAVE A CHANGE.
MY NAME IS MISSPELLED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES, SO IF OKAY.
AND YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT, CHANGE THAT TO THE RIGHT SPELLING IS, WHICH IS, SO IN A COUPLE PLACES IT'S SPELLED OZ AND THE RIGHT SPELLING IS CALLED ROSS CU ROSS? YES.
ANY OTHER, UM, CHANGES FOR THE MINUTES? ALRIGHT, UM, SO THEN I THINK WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CHANGES TO THE ATTENDEE NAMES AS NOTED.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
SO IN TERMS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, WE HAVE THE SERVICE MODIFICATION RECOMMENDATION, UH, REQUEST FROM THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT, UH, AND IT'S THE SERVICE MODIFICATION RECOMMENDATION UPDATED AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PRESENT.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO WE ARE HERE AND AGAIN TO REVISIT OUR CONVERSATION ON THE TRANSIT BUDGET FOR FY 27, ALONG WITH SERVICE MODIFICATIONS TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST HANDFUL OF MEETINGS.
AND SO WE HAVE A SLIDE DECK THAT I'LL PULL UP HERE AND SHARE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TONIGHT AS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK THROUGH OUR TIMELINE AGAIN TO REVISIT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE FINANCIAL SITUATION, WHICH IS AT A FEW MODIFICATIONS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A LOOK AT UPDATED STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN OF COURSE TAKE QUESTIONS AND DELIBERATION FROM THE COMMITTEE.
SO IN TERMS OF OUR TIMELINE, EVEN THOUGH IT REALLY STARTED BEFORE WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS CHART, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF BUDGET RELATED MEETINGS BEFORE THAT,
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THE PAST COUPLE MEETINGS ESPECIALLY, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PETALUMA TRANSIT SERVICE LEVELS RELATIVE TO FY 27 BUDGET.SO WE'VE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS THUS FAR.
ONE ON JANUARY 20TH, ONE ON FEBRUARY 17TH, AND THEN OUR THIRD ONE TODAY AT TECH.
AND SO OUR REMAINING PIECES IN THE TIMELINE ARE GOING TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 6TH WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE PORTION OF TIME TO HAVE A TRANSIT SERVICE PLANNING WORKSHOP.
AND SO THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING HERE WITH THE COMMITTEE WILL BE REFLECTED IN THAT ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ADOPTED AND THEN SUMMARIZING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT MEETING, THAT'LL INFORM THE ITEMS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE FY 27 BUDGET FROM TRANSIT, INCLUDING ANY OF THE SERVICE CHANGES BEING ENACTED WITH A TIMELINE OF STARTING ON JULY 5TH, 2026.
AND SO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO HAND IT OFF TO CAMIA TO UPDATE THE FINANCIALS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA BRIEFLY JUST GO OVER THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WE, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ELSIE OP QUITE A FEW TIMES AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT INTO PROGRESS.
SO SWITCHING UP SOME GRANTS FROM CAPITAL TO OPERATING, UM, NEW ED ENERGY PLANS FROM PG E OR REPRIORITIZING AND DEFERRING, UM, FACILITY AND FLEET MAINTENANCE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME UPDATED ITEMS IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE SPOKE.
UH, SO WE'VE OFFICIALLY BEEN AWARDED THE CLEAN CALIFORNIA COMMUNITIES AND EMPLOYMENT PATHWAYS GRANT.
THIS IS THE GRANT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING OWES.
SO WE'VE OFFICIALLY BEEN AWARDED THAT GRANT, UM, AS WELL AS THE SFA GRANT, THE SAFE ACCESS FOR ALL GRANT, WHICH PARTIALLY FUNDS LUMA GO THROUGH THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEGAN WORKING WITH OUR, UH, TRANSIT ADVERTISING CONTRACTOR.
AND SO YOU WILL SEE SOME NEW ADS GOING ON BUSES SOON.
AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT REVENUE COMING FORWARD.
UM, AND I SAY ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THE NUMBER, THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BECAUSE I'VE APPLIED THAT INTO IT.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL POSITIVELY BENEFIT OUR BUDGET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LIKE LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, WE'VE ALSO, UH, I DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY, JARED, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STAFFING ADJUSTMENTS? YEAH, SURE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANNA SUMMARIZE TOO IS PART OF THE PROCESS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SEVERAL CHANGES TO SERVICE.
OF COURSE YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE SERVICE YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE STREET, BUT YOU ALWAYS WANTED RIGHTSIZE YOUR STAFFING AS WELL.
AND SO SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SLIDE.
AND SO WE'VE PUT A PAUSE ON DRIVER HIRING, WE'VE HAD THAT IN PLACE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
WE'RE DOING ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE A COMBINATION OF HOW MANY DRIVERS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY WE WOULD NEED WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF SERVICE CHANGES OCCURRING IN JULY.
AND WE THINK WE'RE JUST RIGHT TO BE AT THAT LEVEL BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, DEPENDING ON OF COURSE THE SERVICE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE.
AND THEN ON THE CITY STAFFING SIDE, THERE'S TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE INTENDED IN THE BUDGET AND THOSE HAVE BEEN PAUSED INDEFINITELY.
THAT WAS A SENIOR PLANNER IN ADMIN TECH.
SO AS SOON AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE BUDGET SITUATION FOR FY 27 AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ADJUST THOSE POSITIONS, WERE PUT ON PAUSE AS WELL.
AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT REVISIONS TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH A MAJOR GOAL OF COURSE BEING AVOIDING PUTTING US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'D EVER HAVE TO HAVE ANY STAFF LAYOFFS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE VERY MUCH TRYING TO AVOID IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW YOU EVERYTHING ON THE STAFFING SIDE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND CONSIDERING AS WELL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR NEW PROJECTED, UH, DEFICIT FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO STARTING, UM, 20 26, 20 27 IS NOW 108 ROUNDED UP, UM, COMPARED TO THE NINE 15 THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE.
SO THESE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE UM, NEW ADVERTISING PLAN PROGRAM IN PLACE, THE GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED AND GOING ACCEPTED AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, UM, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE SOLVING FOR.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A ONE YEAR PLAN OR A TWO YEAR PLAN, YOU CAN SEE OUT TO THREE YEARS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, YEAH, AND I'M GONNA PASS IT BACK OVER TO JARED BECAUSE SOME OF THE PRO, UM, OTHER ITEMS WE'LL DISCUSS FURTHER THE IN PROGRESS ITEMS THAT STILL ARE WORKING ON.
WE'LL DISCUSS FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION.
YEAH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL NOTICE TOO IS WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY WE HAD RANGES WITH SOME OF THE NUMBERS, WE REALLY WANTED TO SIMPLIFY THEM.
SO NOW YOU'LL SEE NUMBERS WITH ASSUMED ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH WE MADE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENTS.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT WE ANTICIPATE AS BEING 80% OF THE COST FOR THESE ITEMS, ALONG WITH 20% CONTINGENCY INCLUDED, JUST TO BE ON KIND OF THE SAFE SIDE.
SO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED,
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DID I SKIP SLIDE? NO.SO WE WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AT THE TWO WORKSHOPS WE'VE HAD WITH ATTACK THUS FAR.
SO FIRST YOU'LL SEE THE JANUARY 20TH FEEDBACK AND THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO THE FEBRUARY FEEDBACK.
SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN AIMING TO DO WITH THIS PRESENTATION, THE DISCUSSION IS WE REALLY WANTED TO SIMPLIFY THE NUMBERS.
SO THOSE RANGES THAT I REFERENCED A MINUTE AGO, THOSE ARE NOW GONE.
SO ON ALL THESE CHARTS YOU'LL SEE THE FINITE NUMBER WITH THAT 80% COST LEVEL ASSUMPTION.
BAKED INTO THAT, WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO LOOK AT MODIFICATIONS TO OUR CONTRACT, WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS IN MB TRANSPORTATION, WHO OF COURSE IS OUR TRANSPORTATION CONTRACT AND OPERATOR TRYING TO ADJUST THINGS LIKE THE STAFF LEVELS FOR DISPATCH AND DRIVERS.
AS WE DISCUSSED, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO SEE HOW WE CAN WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH THEM TO TRY TO LEVERAGE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AS DISCUSSED.
UH, JUST TODAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE MET WITH SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE, PETALUMA CAMPUS TO TALK ABOUT PARTNERING ON A GRANT THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR THIS WEEK.
SO SOME OF THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE SHORT TERM FIXES, BUT MAYBE MORE MEDIUM TERM FIXES, BUT THEY'RE ALL IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
LUMA GO, OF COURSE PEOPLE WANNA SEE MORE OPTIONS FOR LUMA GO ON WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT IN ANY FORM.
AND THEN WE WANTED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING A THREE YEAR SHORTFALL SOLUTION FOR THE BUDGET, NOT JUST LOOKING AT A ONE YEAR SOLUTION.
AND SO WE CONTINUE TO REFINE THE DISCUSSION AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING.
AND SO SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, YOU'LL SEE REFLECTED IN OUR UPDATED SLIDES AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
SO ONE OF THE ONES PROPOSED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER VASQUEZ WAS TO LOOK AT A 12 MONTH PILOT, WHICH WOULD BE ON A MODIFIED VERSION OF ROUTE 24.
THAT OF COURSE THROUGHOUT THAT RUNS ON LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY.
AND THAT WOULD BE A 12 MONTH PILOT RUNNING ON LAKEVILLE TO SCHOENBERGER PARK ON SATURDAYS FROM 12 TO 6:00 PM SO WE DID SOME COST MODELING ON THAT.
WE DISCUSSED POSSIBLY ELIMINATING ROUTE 10, THE ROUTE THAT RUNS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD OUT TOWARDS THE OUTLETS AND POSSIBLE CONTINUANCE OF A TRIPPER TO ST.
THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE UPON FURTHER REFLECTION, THE RIDERSHIP IS ACTUALLY QUITE LOW ON THAT LEG.
IT HAD BEEN HIGHER YEARS PRIOR, EVEN THOUGH THE TIME OF THE SERVICE LINED UP WELL, GOING FROM SMART TO ST VINCENT, THE RIDERSHIP HAD REALLY DROPPED OFF TO LESS THAN TWO OR THREE PEOPLE A DAY.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING.
WE'RE CONSIDERING MODIFICATIONS OF ROUTES THREE AND 33 TO SEE IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THE CONNECTIONS TO SMARTS.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA ADD A LANGUAGE AND YOU'LL ESPECIALLY SEE THIS AT COUNCIL ON THE INDIRECT BENEFITS WE'RE CALLING THEM OF TRANSIT, OF WHICH WE KNOW THERE'S MANY THINGS LIKE REDUCED CONGESTION, LOWER COST OF LIVING, EVEN A LOT OF THE TIE INTO THE CITY GOALS ON THINGS LIKE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS WITH REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS SERVED BY HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
SO ALL THAT LED TO OUR UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH NOW.
SO THIS SLIDE WE'VE HAD AT THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THEM, BUT IT'S A GOOD REMINDER OF THE LENS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS THROUGH.
WE VERY MUCH WANNA BALANCE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ACHIEVING THE CITY GOALS, WE'RE MINIMIZING IMPACTS THAT WE CAN AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA AND THAT WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN BECOME FISCALLY SOLVENT AND THEN START REPLENISHING OUR FUNDING RESERVES OVER TIME.
AND SO SOME OF THE OPTIONS, AGAIN, A SLIDE WE'VE SEEN BEFORE ARE SHOWN ON THIS SCREEN, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT MODIFYING SERVICE.
SO OF COURSE WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE MODIFYING THE SERVICE HOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THE DAYS THAT THE SERVICE RUNS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, DIFFERENT ROUTING MODIFICATIONS, AND ANY COMBINATION OF ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE.
SO AT THE PRIOR MEETING YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD WHAT WE'RE CALLING A ONE YEAR AND A THREE YEAR SOLUTION.
SO WE'VE IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL UPDATES IN THE CHANGES THAT CAN BE ALLUDED TO AND THAT'S THINGS SUCH AS HAVING MORE CLARITY ON GRANTS THAT WE NOW KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED.
THE TWO THAT CAN BE MENTIONED, MODIFYING THE ASSUMPTIONS WITH A COST TO THAT 80% LEVEL AND THEN SOME UPDATED REVENUE NUMBERS.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WITHOUT ADDING ANY NEW ITEMS TO THIS LIST OF MODIFICATIONS OR REDUCTIONS, THAT ONE YEAR SOLUTION REALLY BECOMES A TWO YEAR SOLUTION.
SO NOW WE'RE NO LONGER DISCUSSING THE ONE YEAR, THE TWO YEAR SOLUTION NOW PUTS US AS HAVING A POSITIVE SURPLUS AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR FY 27, ESTIMATED 732,000 FOR FY 28 IT WOULD
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STILL BE POSITIVE AT 337 AND THEN NOT FULLY SOLVING FOR FY 29, BUT GETTING QUITE A BIT CLOSER TO THE, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF MILLION PLUS DOLLARS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IS NOW BEING NEGATIVE 770,000.AND SO ALL THESE ARE ITEMS THAT AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT AT PRIOR MEETINGS.
SO OF COURSE IT'S THINGS LIKE UM, LUMA GO THAT STILL IS RECOMMENDED FOR BEING CANCELED STARTING IN FY 27.
IT'S THE LATE NIGHT SERVICE THAT WOULD END EARLIER AT 7:00 PM IT'S CANCELING SUNDAY SERVICE, ELIMINATING OR MODIFYING ONE OF OUR DISPATCH POSITIONS.
AND THEN THE OS CONTRACT, ASSUMING WE DIDN'T GET THE CCEP GRANTS, WE ARE GOING TO END THAT CONTRACT.
AS KAMI MENTIONED, IT'S GREAT NEWS BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THAT.
SO WE'LL BE CONT ABLE TO CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH OS FOR AT LEAST ONE MORE YEAR THROUGH THAT GRANT.
TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS BEYOND THAT, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW THAT PARTICULAR GRANT WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE AN UPDATED STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THERE'S REALLY TWO PARTS TO IT.
THERE'S THE CHART THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND THAT'S LOOKING AT SPECIFIC ROUTE OPTIONS AND MODIFICATIONS.
BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO EMPHASIZE SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ACTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE RELATED THAT WERE GONNA BE UNDERTAKING OVER THE NEXT YEAR THAT ALSO PLAY INTO HELPING RESOLVE THE BUDGET SITUATION.
SO ONE OF WHICH WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON IS THE DISCUSSIONS WITH MB TRANSPORTATION.
THAT'S WORK IN PROGRESS TO WHERE SEVERAL OF THE PIECES ALREADY TOUCHED ON ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED.
BUT WE'RE GOING CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE WHERE WE CAN FIND EFFICIENCIES IN THAT CONTRACT.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS, VERY WILLING TO ENGAGE WITH US, WHICH WE APPRECIATE.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THOSE FUNDING DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
AS I MENTIONED JUST TODAY WE MET WITH SRJC STAFF TRYING TO APPLY FOR A GRANT THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY BRING IN ABOUT $400,000 IN TRANSIT OPERATING FUNDS.
SO ALONG SIMILAR LINES, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THE LIKES OF KAISER WITH SMARTS WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE OUTLET MALL TO SEE HOW WE CAN FURTHER DO SIMILAR PARTNERSHIPS IN THE UPCOMING TIMEFRAME.
UH, THAT TFCA GRANT WAS THE ONE I WAS MENTIONING THAT RELATES THROUGHOUT THREE AND 33.
SO WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THAT THIS WEEK AND HEARING BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS ON THAT.
AND THEN A BIG PIECE WORTH NOTING IS SEVERAL UPCOMING PLANNING EFFORTS.
OF COURSE A MAJOR ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED WITH MASCOTS.
WE PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF THAT IN PRIOR MEETINGS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO REVISIT THAT AT UPCOMING TAC MEETINGS.
BUT THAT STANDS FOR THE MARIN SONOMA COUNTY COORDINATED TRANSIT STUDY.
AND SO THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED NEXT MONTH, STARTING IN APRIL, 2026.
AND THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT PROVIDES MORE FUNDING TO BOTH LOCAL AGENCIES AND TO SMART WHEREIN THEY'LL BE RAMPING UP THEIR SERVICE.
SO ON WEEKDAYS THEY'RE RUNNING MORE TRIPS, FILLING IN THE SERVICE GAPS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, RUNNING LATER INTO THE NIGHT AND THEN RUNNING MORE FREQUENTLY ON THE WEEKENDS.
THE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT SERVICE SCALES DOWN COMMENSURATELY WITH THAT, BUT THAT ALSO PUTS SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE DOLLARS IN PETALUMA'S POCKET AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT OUTCOME OF THAT.
S-C-T-C-A, THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION CLIMATE AUTHORITIES HAVE A STUDY CALLED SYNC, WHICH IS NOT AN ACRONYM, IT'S JUST SYNC AS IN SYNCHRONIZED IF YOU'RE WONDERING.
AND THAT WILL BE STARTING IN ANOTHER MONTH AND THAT'LL BE ABOUT A 12 MONTH PROCESS REALLY IS THE SECOND PHASE OF A PRIOR STUDY WE DID CALLED TIES, THE TRANSIT INTEGRATION EFFICIENCY STUDY, LOOKING AT FURTHER EFFICIENCIES FOR ALL THE TRANSIT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY, HOW WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THE WEBSITES WITH ALL THE AGENCIES LAUNCHING THEIR NEW WEBSITES SOON.
SO THEY HAVE A SIMILAR LOOK FOR US, SANTA ROSA CITY BUS AND SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT ON THE OPERATING SIDE, UM, ON PARATRANSIT EVALUATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT STUDY IS JUST GETTING UNDERWAY.
THE CITY HAS ITS OWN SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE TAKING PLACE IN 2026.
WE'RE ALSO AWAITING AWARD ON A GRANT FOR THAT THAT EVER AWARDED THIS GRANT.
IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO A FULL TRANSIT VISIONING PROCESS WITH ROBUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO HEAR BACK ON THAT OVER THE SUMMER.
SO WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL THAT COMES THROUGH.
BUT IN ANY CASE, WE'LL BE DOING THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN UPDATE AND THEN SONOMA COUNTY, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, THEY'RE ALSO DOING AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, WHICH IS JUST NOW KICKING OFF.
THAT'LL BE ABOUT A 12 TO 15 MONTH PROCESS LOOKING AT THEIR OWN OPERATIONS AND THEIR ROLE IN HOW THEY PROVIDE INNER CITY REGIONAL SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SO A LOT OF PLANNING EFFORTS, A LOT OF COLLABORATION, A LOT OF TRANSIT AGENCIES AS WE DISCUSSED ARE ALSO IN DIFFICULT FINANCIAL TIMES.
SO THAT IS A COMMON THEME THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM AGENCIES WITH THESE STUDIES IS TRYING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF ALL OF OUR RESPECTIVE NETWORKS.
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SO THAT'S ONE PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.THE SECOND PIECE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT, AND WE GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE FOR A MINUTE.
SO REMEMBER THESE SIX ITEMS BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE CONTINUE FORWARD ONTO THIS SLIDE.
SO THEY REPRESENT THAT ORANGE LINE AND IT IMPLEMENTS SEVERAL OF THE PIECES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO WHAT'S INCLUDED ON HERE IS WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CANCEL ALL SERVICE ON ROUTE 10.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT RUNS ON PET MO BOULEVARD NORTH, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY HARD TO CANCEL ANY ROUTE.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RIDERSHIP ON THAT ROUTE, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENTLY LOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE'S LESS DENSITY ON THAT CORRIDOR ONCE YOU GET OUT OF DOWNTOWN PAST PAY RAN.
AND WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT SITUATION WAS LIKELY TO CHANGE.
WE'RE GETTING ABOUT SIX BOARDINGS PER HOUR ON ROUTE 10.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT ROUTE 10 IS MODIFIED FROM AN ALL DAY ROUTE INTO A TRIPPER ROUTE.
SO WE STILL HAVE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THAT CORRIDOR ALONG WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY SERVICE THAT WOULD STILL BE THERE RUNNING ABOUT 12 TIMES PER DAY.
AND THIS SERVICE IS DESIGNED SO THAT SOME OF THE STUDENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY CATCHING THE SERVICE ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, CONNECTING TO OTHER SCHOOLS LIKE PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH, PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL, OR EVEN THE SMART TRAIN NOW HAVE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
SO THAT WOULD RUN ONE TO TWO TIMES IN THE MORNING, ONE TO TWO TIMES IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO WE STILL HAVE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE MAINTAINED.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE ROUTE 24 PILOT ON HERE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT, WHICH IS ESTIMATED AT 15,000 PER YEAR.
AND THAT AGAIN, IS THE SATURDAY 12 MONTH PILOT RUNNING ON A MODIFIED ROUTE VERSION OF ROUTE 24 FROM 12 TO 6:00 PM.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT ON THE BOTTOM LINE THERE.
THIS IS NOT A THREE YEAR SOLUTION, BUT IT'S A HEALTHY TWO YEAR SOLUTION PRETTY CLOSE IN THE THIRD YEAR.
AND WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT BALANCE OF TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ECONOMIC SITUATIONS AND PUT US IN A MORE POSITIVE FISCAL OUTLOOK WHILE STILL WORKING IN SEVERAL OF THESE PIECES.
AND THE BEST EQUITY APPROACH OVERALL.
SO TRYING TO SERVE SOME AREAS THAT WE'VE HAD A BIG EYE ON EQUITY WISE, LIKE THE LAKEVILLE CORRIDOR FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THE COMBINATION OF THESE TWO SLIDES ARE REALLY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S THE CHANGES TO THE SERVICE ITSELF AND THEN ALL THE STUDIES AND INCLUDE THE CONTINUING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR FUNDING PARTNERS.
THERE IS STILL A THREE YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION SLIDE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME, BUT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT THESE TYPE OF ITEMS LOOK LIKE.
AND SO THIS DOES PROVIDE A THREE YEAR FISCAL SOLUTION.
AND SO THIS ALSO INCLUDES THINGS LIKE ELIMINATING ROUTE 10, BUT IT ALSO ADDS IN ELIMINATING SATURDAY SERVICE RIGHT NOW WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING SUNDAY SERVICE.
SO THIS ADDS ADDS IN SATURDAY.
AND THEN THIS WOULD ALSO BE ENDING WEEKDAY SERVICE ONE HOUR EARLIER AS OPPOSED TO SEVEN UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD END AT 6:00 PM WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS PRUDENT TO INCLUDE THESE ITEMS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF, WE THINK THE TWO YEAR SOLUTION IS A HEALTHY APPROACH PAIRED WITH THE FACT THAT WE THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF GREAT OUTCOMES OF THE STUDY WORK AND THE COLLABORATION PAIRED WITH THINGS LIKE THE GRANT APPLICATIONS OF WHICH WE'VE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN RECENT YEARS.
SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE ITEMS WOULD HELP TO IMPROVE ANY OF THESE BOTTOM LINES, ALTHOUGH AT THIS POINT WE WANNA BE CONSERVATIVE AND NOT ASSUME THOSE NUMBERS HERE.
SO THIS IS THE THREE-YEAR SOLUTION, ALBEIT NOT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME.
AND SO THAT COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I AM GOING TO OPEN THIS FOR QUESTIONS AND A BREAK WITH MY PREVIOUS TWO MEETING APPROACH.
I'M GOING TO BE REALLY SERIOUS, FRANK
LET'S GET THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS AND GET CLARITY AND THEN WE'LL ALSO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE SOME CARDS JUST OUTSIDE THE DOOR THAT YOU COULD FILL OUT AND GIVE TO THE CLERK.
UM, SO THAT SAID, UH, IF WE CAN JUST GO DOWN THE ROW, FRED, UM, COMMENTS ARE OUT, OUT.
QUESTIONS ON QUESTIONS ARE IN, WHAT IS CCEP? THAT
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IS THE CLEAN CALIFORNIA, IT'S CLEAN COMMUNITY AND EMPLOYMENT PATHWAY GRANT.SO IT'S LIKE A ONE-TIME GRANT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING ADMINISTERED THROUGH CALTRANS AND IT SPECIFICALLY FINDS CLEANUP EFFORTS THAT ALSO WOULD EMPLOY INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT SEEK VARIOUS FORMS OF EMPLOYMENT.
SO SO IS IT A GAS TAX OF SORTS OR IS IT FEDERAL OR STATE? NO, IT, THE FUNDING SOURCE IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS IT JUST KIND OF CAME DOWN THE PIPELINE FROM CALTRANS BEING LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE THIS GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT'S A ONE OFF APPLY IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A KIND OF A VAGUE ONETIME GRANT.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE GAS TAXES THAT WE CAN SURPRISE.
UM, I HAVE A DISCUSSION ON LUMA AGO, BUT I'LL WAIT ON THAT ONE.
UM, THIS IS A QUESTION I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE HAS, HOW POLITICAL CAN WE GET AT THESE MEETINGS? CAN WE TALK ABOUT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON HERE THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT.
IT'S NOT MOST PEOPLE'S FAULT, BUT I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER COMMENT AND OKAY.
AT THIS POINT, ALMOST ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL FUNDING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE IS STATE AND LOCAL FUNDED.
SO, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE THAT FOR COMMENT.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW ALL THESE OP ALL THESE MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE NOT PROMOTED TOO WELL, BUT I ASSUME YOU DO REACH OUT.
SO WHEN WE'RE THROUGH WITH THE DISCUSSIONS HERE, WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC GET TO GET INVOLVED? ARE WE GONNA HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR HAVE WE DONE THAT ALREADY AND I MISSED IT? SO THE INITIAL WORKSHOP THAT WAS INTENDED TO ADD THE BIG PUBLIC OUTREACH PIECE, SO WE DID PRESS RELEASES, WE DID SIGNAGE ON OUR BUSES, WE DID, UH, PROMOTION THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
WE DID HAVE MORE ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING, BUT WE REALIZED IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
SO BASED ON ANY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BY COUNCIL, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OUTREACH PERIOD BETWEEN THAT APRIL MEETING AND THEN JULY FOR ANY CHANGES IMPLEMENTED SO THAT WE'RE INFORMING THE PUBLIC HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, MAKING SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF ANY CHANGES SEVERAL MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
PATTY, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR ME ABOUT THE PROPOSED NEW, UH, TRIPPER ROUTE? UM, I'M, I I'M GUESSING IT WOULD FOCUS, UH, ON MORE THAN THE ST VINCENT'S STUDENTS, BUT HOW, HOW ARE YOU ENVISIONING THIS AGAIN? YEAH, SO ACTUALLY THE ST VINCENT'S STUDENTS ARE KIND OF THE LOWER PART OF THE FOCUS ON IT.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RIDERSHIP, WE REALIZED THAT THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THAT WOULD SERVE, THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT STUDENTS A DAY THAT CATCH THE BUS ON THAT CORRIDOR DURING THE PEAK TIMES.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MODIFYING ROUTE 5 0 1, 1 OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN ORDER TO CONNECT ROUTE 5 0 1 TO DOWNTOWN, THERE'S A LEG THAT RUNS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
THAT LEG WOULD GO AWAY TO ALLOW FOR THE TIME THAT CONNECTS 5 0 1 TO SMART.
BUT ADDING THIS TRIPPER BACK, MAKE SURE THOSE STUDENTS ON THAT STILL HAVE THE SAME SERVICE THEY DO NOW.
SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL GET ON THAT ROUTE AND THEN THEY CATCH 5 0 1, THEY RIDE THE FULL LOOP OFTEN TO GO TO PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL OR PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'LL STILL HAVE THAT OPTION WITH A TIME CONNECTION THAT'S STILL ONE BUS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AS A STUDENT, YOU GET ON ONE BUS AND IT'S STILL DOES THAT SAME PATTERN.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR, IS THAT EIGHT OR SO STUDENTS EVERY DAY TO STILL BE ABLE TO CATCH THE BUS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH AND STILL BE ABLE TO REACH THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ON ROUTE 5 0 1 LIKE PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH AND PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS LOOKING AT, UM, OH, OH, LOOKING AT PAGE EIGHT, JUST FOR STARTERS, THE UM, 20 26 20, UM, 27 REVENUE IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN THE REVENUE, UH, FOR 26 27 IN THE FEBRUARY PRESENTATION.
AND I THINK I KNOW THAT THAT CAME FROM THE, UH, REQUEST THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING, UH, FROM
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TDA OR S THAT WAS EITHER THEY WERE, WE WERE WAITING TO PUT THAT IN PLUS A BIG CHUNK THAT WAS COMING FROM MONEY THAT WE WERE HOLDING FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WE PUT TO, UM, OPERATIONAL.PLUS THE 260,000 THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING WILL COME FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT FROM UH, ROUTES 44 AND 48.
AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE ABOUT 500,000 MORE IN THE, THE REVENUE SECTION FOR 27, 28 AND 28 29.
SO 260 OF THAT IS THE 44 48 AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OTHER IS.
YEAH, ESSENTIALLY THE SPREADSHEET, IT'LL TAKE WHATEVER IS IN THERE AND ASSUME, UM, CONSTANT.
SO IF IT'S LIKE AN ANNUAL FUND, IT WILL CONTINUOUSLY PRODUCE THAT.
UM, AND SO ONE CHANGE, I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU REMEMBER PREVIOUS SLIDES, I USED TO HAVE A, UM, SAVINGS MEASURES LINE.
UM, SO IT'D BE REVENUES, EXPENDITURES, RIGHT? I WAS LOOKING AT THAT ADJUSTMENT.
LIKE I BET THAT ADJUSTMENTS IS IN THERE.
I REAPPROPRIATED THAT I'M PREPARING THIS FOR COUNCIL AND SO JUST TRYING TO LIKE TIDY IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO IF IT WAS CONSIDERED A NEW REVENUE SOURCE, I ADDED IT TO THE REVENUES LINE AND IF IT WAS AN EXPENSE SAVINGS THEN I DEDUCTED IT FROM THE EXPENSE LINE.
SO SOME OF THAT KIND OF JUST GET GOT PLUGGED INTO THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S HOW I PUT IT TOGETHER.
BUT I'M AN AMATEUR
UM, AND THEN MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO YOU JARED, SINCE THAT, AND UM, DAVE HAD RAISED THIS AS WELL WHEN, WHEN HE SENT THIS EMAIL THAT HE COULDN'T ATTEND, UM, THAT WE THINK THAT THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING FROM SONOMA COUNTY, UM, TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE OF THE 44 48 HA DOES IN FACT IT ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF US MAKING A CHANGE, IT HAS TO HAPPEN CENTRALLY.
AND IS THAT, UM, DONE DONE, IS THAT TIED WITH A RIBBON AND SIGNED OFF BY ALL PARTIES THAT WORK GETTING THAT MONEY? NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THE CITY'S IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING A FORMAL LETTER TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT WITH S-C-T-C-A INCLUDED ON THAT CCD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE BACKING OUT OF THAT AGREEMENTS.
FOR BETTER OR WORSE, THAT WAS NEVER A FORMAL AGREEMENT.
SO SIMILAR TO HOW THE CITY OF SANTA ROSA BACKED OUTTA BEING PART OF THAT AGREEMENT SEVERAL YEARS BACK, OVER A DECADE, THE CITY OF PETALUMA IS NOW ENDING ITS PIECE.
AND THAT'S, I WOULD SAY UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE IT WAS NEVER A FORMAL AGREEMENT.
AND AND THAT'S MONEY THAT CURRENTLY GOES TO GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT FOR 44 48? NO, IT CURRENTLY GOES TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE FUNDING COMES INTO SONOMA COUNTY UHHUH AS WHAT'S CALLED A BLOCK GRANT AND IT GETS SPLIT OUT BY S-C-T-C-A TO ALL THE OPERATORS ALONG LINES OF SEVERAL FORMULAS BASED ON RIDERSHIP POPULATION, ET CETERA.
AND THAT PIECE HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BAKED INTO THERE.
THE ASSUMPTIONS AS A HANDSHAKE TYPE THING, THAT'S AN OFF THE TOP THAT COMES OUT OF THE TBA FUNDING FOR PETALUMA GIVEN TO SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, SONOMA COUNTY.
SO IT'S REALLY OUR FUNDING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A FORMAL AGREEMENTS FINDING THAT UNLESS WE HAVE A DATE THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS WILL GET TIED WITH A BOW, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE, INCLUDING THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE AND IT MAKES A BIG IMPACT.
OKAY, WHAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION? AH, OKAY.
OH, ALL THE MASCOTS MONEY IS INCLUDED IN OUR THE, BECAUSE YOU IN THINGS TO COME, YOU LISTED MASCOTS, BUT THEN YOU SAID IT'S ALREADY DONE.
SO ALL THE DELTAS FROM MASCOTS, THEY'RE INCLUDED HERE, SO WE WON'T EXPECT ANY CHANGES.
YEAH, THE ENTIRETY MASK OUTS IS NOW DONE, IMPLEMENTED.
I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR MY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE MENTION OF OS AND THE THE GRANT, IS THAT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR OR IS THAT FOR THE FOLLOWING? NO, SO IT WOULD, IT'S A FULL YEAR GRANT, SO IT GOES INTO
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EFFECT THE FOLLOWING YEAR.WELL, IT STARTS TECHNICALLY APRIL, BUT BY THE TIME IT GETS RAMPED UP, RAMPED UP AND EVERYTHING, WE'LL SEE THE FINANCIALS IMPACT OUR BUDGET IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR.
SO I, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ESSENTIALLY ONE YEAR OF FUNDING FOR THIS AND THEN CORRECT INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE CASE? IS IT THAT YEAH, AFTER THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A ONE-TIME GRANT, I REACHED OUT TO THEM SAYING, DO THEY PLAN ON THIS BECOMING SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE? THEY SAID AT THIS POINT, NO.
SO THAT'S KIND OF GIVES US A YEAR OR THE CITY A YEAR TO KIND OF DETERMINE IF OS CAN BE REPURPOSED SOMEWHERE OR IF WE CAN FIND ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.
SO AS YOU SEE ON, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWING AS A NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURES UNLESS ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE IS IDENTIFIED FOR THAT.
UH, SO I HATE TO REHASH THIS, BUT I WAS TRYING, AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN REVENUES.
SO IN, IN, UH, I GUESS FISCAL 27, 28, 29 REVENUES ARE PROJECTED FOR THOSE THREE YEARS TO BE ABOUT $2 MILLION HIGHER THAN THEY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY WITH A MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT IN FISCAL 27 AND 500 K RESPECTIVELY IN 28 AND 29.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO GET MORE COMFORTABLE UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE PROJECTING AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THOSE THREE YEARS.
CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN FOR ME PLEASE? YEAH, SO PART OF THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE, UM, SO WHAT I DESCRIBED, UM, TO GAIL.
UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES ANY PRIOR YEAR CARRYOVER.
SO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THESE GRANTS, WE'RE CARRYING OVER MORE EVERY YEAR AND THE CARRYOVER IS PART OF THAT AVAILABLE BALANCE.
SO IT'S WRAPPED UP INTO THE REVENUES BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE AVAILABLE BALANCE OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO SPEND.
AND SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT JUMP IN NUMBERS IS AS WE'RE SAVING MORE, WE'RE ABLE TO APPLY MORE TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IF THAT'S MAKING SENSE.
LIKE THE, THE CARRYOVER BALANCE IS ALSO WRAPPED UP INTO THE REVENUES, THE CARRYOVER TDA BALANCE.
AND, AND SO WELL, I, I, SO I GUESS, UM, SO, SO THE CARRYOVERS WERE IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATIONS, RIGHT? THEY WERE IN THE, WERE THEY IN LIKE THE ADJUSTMENTS ROW? UM, THEY WERE WHAT? YEAH, THEY WERE IN IT.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE WERE SHOWING LIKE A 915 DEFICIT, THERE WAS LESS CARRYOVER APPLIED, LIKE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, EAT INTO EACH OTHER.
WHEREAS NOW WITH THE GRANTS, WE CAN CARRY OVER MORE.
SO IT'S ADDING PARTIALLY TO THAT REVENUE.
SO THERE'S GRANTS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
SO THAT'S THE CCEP, THAT'S THE SFA.
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT GRANT WORTH? UM, THAT'S 60 5K.
THAT, THAT'S THE ONE FOR OS, RIGHT? YEAH, CORRECT.
AND THERE'S OTHER GRANTS THAT ARE IN THERE TODAY THAT ARE, THAT WERE NOT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS.
SO, UM, THE ONE 50 K FROM THE SFA TO FUND LUGO FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS, WAS IN THE PREVIOUS, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER THE ADJUSTMENT.
I'VE BEEN
SO
AND WHAT ELSE WE GOT? UM, THIS CURRENTLY INCLUDES THAT 240 ISH KTDA RE REPURPOSING, UM, FROM SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT.
SO PART OF THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE AS WELL.
WHICH OVER THREE YEARS IS 780 K.
SO THAT 780 EXPLAINS, YOU KNOW, UH, 780 OF THE 2 MILLION.
SO IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER GRANTS? UH, WE ALSO INCREASED THE TRANSIT RE UM, ADVERTISING.
UM, AS I THINK IT WAS LIKE ONE OR TWO MEETINGS AGO WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, DOING SIDE PANELS ON THE BUSES AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT ABOUT 80 KI BELIEVE IS FACTORED IN THERE.
SO 80 K WE HAD ADVERTISING FACTORED IN BEFORE, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YEAH, THE DIFFERENCE.
SO DID IT GO UP FROM 60 K? YEAH, SO THAT, ORIGINALLY WE HAD ADVERTISING FACTORED IN THERE, BUT IT WAS JUST OUR TRADITIONAL BUS BACK
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PANEL.LIKE IF YOU THINK ABOUT, IF YOU HAVE A VISION OF THAT BEFORE, IT'S JUST A SMALL BUS BACK PANEL.
WE'VE EXPANDED THAT NOW, UM, BASED UPON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH TAC.
UH, SO THAT'S FACTORED IN THERE NOW AS AN INCREASED SAVING OR INCREASED REVENUE.
AND THEN PART OF THAT IS THERE USED TO BE A LINE OF SAVINGS MEASURES.
SO PART OF THOSE ITEMS GOT REPURPOSED INTO EITHER REVENUES OR EXPENSES.
SO THOSE LINE ITEMS KIND OF GOT MUSHED INTO THERE TO MAKE IT CLEARER GOING FORWARD.
FORGIVE ME, UM, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, 18% DEFICIT OVER THREE YEARS VERSUS 23%, LIKE I WANT TO BE.
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THE THREE YEAR PROJECTION, THE, IF WE GO BACK TO THE LAST, UM, THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD, AND YOU LOOK AT YEARS 27 THROUGH 29, THE PROJECTED DEFICIT WAS 4.9 MILLION.
IF WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTED DEFICIT IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT GOES TO 3.5 MILLION OVER THOSE THREE YEARS.
SO THAT'S A CHANGE IN 1.3 MILLION.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME SO FAR? I THINK SO, YEAH.
LIKE I, IF I COULD PUT IT ON MY, ON THE THING, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT AGAIN IN THE, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, AT THE DEFICIT IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAD THAT ANY CARRYOVERS WERE PART OF THAT DEFICIT, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE.
AND BECAUSE WE, THOSE NUMBERS STAYED THE SAME FOR LIKE THREE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT FOR THOSE THREE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAD, THAT ANY OF THE CARRYOVERS WERE PART OF THAT.
UM, AND SO WE GO FROM A $4.9 MILLION DEFICIT TO A 3.5, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
UM, THAT'S A CHANGE OF 1.3 MILLION.
THAT'S A 1.3 MILLION GOOD GUY OVER THREE YEARS NOW, BASED ON WHAT WE JUST KIND OF WALKED THROUGH, UH, LIKE I WANT TO GET CONFI, I WANT TO BUILD SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THAT NUMBER'S REAL.
AND SO REALLY WE, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR IS THE TAKE BACK OF THE MONEY THAT WE WERE GIVEN TO SCTA IS SCTA, RIGHT? S-C-T-C-A.
WELL SORRY, THE MONEY IS GOING TO SONOMA COUNTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND 260 K, IT WAS TWO 60 PER YEAR, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO FOR THREE YEARS IT'S 780 K.
SO IF I TAKE THE SEVEN 80 K, UM, MINUS 1.3.
SO WHO'S GOOD AT MATH? PATTY, YOU'RE A MATH TEACHER, RIGHT? 1.3 MILLION MINUS
SORRY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? UH, 780.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1.3 MILLION MINUS 780 K, WHICH IS ROUGHLY CALL IT 500 K.
SO THERE'S ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR SAVINGS THAT THIS NEW, UM, PRESENTATION IS PROJECTING THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
ONE THING WORTH CONSIDERING TOO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THIS, IF WE GO BACK A FEW MEETINGS, WE STARTED OFF WITH JUST THE PURE TRANSIT OPERATING COSTS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SOFT COSTS INCLUDED THINGS LIKE TIRES WEAR AND TEAR, ALL THOSE OTHER TYPE OF SAVINGS THAT YOU GET IF YOU'RE DOING THESE SERVICE CHANGES REDUCTIONS MM-HMM
IN THE LAST MEETING THAT BECAME A RANGE IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, THAT RANGE IS NOW DEFINED.
SO WE MADE THAT ASSUMPTION CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE CITY GENERALLY DOES THEIR PROJECTIONS OF PUTTING THAT AT 80% OF THE ANTICIPATED AMOUNT FROM THAT PRIOR RANGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO PART OF WHAT'S ADJUSTING THOSE NUMBERS ALONG WITH THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT COMMUTE WAS ALSO MENTIONING.
SO THAT'S A COMPONENT OF IT AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SHOW UP UNDER EXPENSES, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOWS UP AS AS EXPENSES, EXPENSES ALSO IMPACTING END OF THE YEAR SUMMARY CARRY OVER
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ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WITH CASCADING EFFECTS.BUT SO IN, IN THE NUMBERS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, AGAIN, JUST COMPARING LAST PRESENTATION TO THIS PRESENTATION, EX EXPENSES, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY DID COME DOWN BY, CALL IT 200 K.
SO I'M IMAGINING, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT REDUCTION IN 200 K OF EXPENSES IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S REALLY THE REVENUE SIDE THAT INCREASES BY $2 MILLION THAT MAKES THE, THAT DRIVES THE DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE I'M GETTING CONFUSED IN THIS Q AND A AND MY Q AND A, BECAUSE I'M SEEING WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT LAST MONTH FOR 20, FOR THE COLUMN 20, 26, 27, WE HAD REVENUE OF 5,500,000 MM-HMM
AND THIS MONTH WE HAVE 6,500,000.
NOW IT'S TRUE THAT LAST MONTH WE HAD AN ADJUSTMENTS COLUMN OF 300,000.
SO THERE'S UM, SOME MONEY THERE, WHICH WE'VE, AND THEN I GO BACK AND I LOOK AT ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE, UM, REQUESTS THAT YOU HAD US APPROVE, WHICH WAS TO ASK FOR $384,000 OF MONEY THAT WAS JUST SITTING AROUND FROM TDA, UM, WAITING FOR US TO ASK FOR IT AND ANOTHER 600,000 OF TDA THAT WAS IN, WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD USE FOR CAPITAL, BUT WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE IT FOR OPERATIONS.
SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE RE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A MILLION MORE AND WE ALSO HAVE 264 SONOMA COUNTY AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
SO I'M NOT, I SEE WE ASK, I GUESS SOME OF THAT 3 84 IS GOING INTO THIS YEAR AND SOME OF THAT 600,000 IS GOING INTO THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE WE ASKED FOR A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE ONLY, AND THEN WE ALSO ARE IMAGINING TWO 60 AND WE'VE GOT A 2 99 ADJUSTMENT.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A 1,000,600 THOUSAND.
THE 600 K IS BEING APPLIED FOR THIS YEAR.
AND THAT 3 MILLION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT'S THE 3 86.
YEAH, THAT IS THE THREE DA REQUEST FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE ALWAYS DO IT, UM, USUALLY IN MARCH IS WHEN IT'S LIKE DUE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE ITEM THAT YOU APPROVED THE LAST HACK MEETING.
AND COUNCIL LAST NIGHT, I THINK YOU JUST MISSPOKE JUST FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE PHONE OR OKAY,
THREE 84,000 MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING YOU THAT OH, OKAY.
ALLOWING FOR AN ESTIMATED TOTAL OF 3 MILLION AND AVAILABLE FOR FISCAL 25, 26.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING, I THOUGHT WE WERE ASKING FOR A CARRYOVER BALANCE OF 384,000.
SORRY, I I GOT CONFUSED WITH YOUR
AND SO WE TAKE 384,000 OF, SO NEVERMIND THE CAPITAL THAT WENT TO THE YEAR WE'RE SITTING IN, BUT WE HAVE 384,000 FOR 27 AND WE HAVE 2 66 IN LAST MONTH'S SPREADSHEET.
SO THAT'S ALMOST FOUR AND ALMOST THREE IS ALMOST SEVEN.
AND WE HAVE 260 FOR THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, WHICH MY ALMOST SEVEN SHOULD WILL ONLY TAKE TWO.
SO THAT'S, AND THEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES OF SMALLER GRANTS EQUALS THE MILLION.
DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S THE DELTA THAT GIVES US AN ADDITIONAL MILLION IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET COMPARING THIS MONTH'S REPORT AND LAST MONTH'S REPORT? YES.
THAT SUMMATION IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE REVENUES FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH.
PART OF THAT ALSO LIKE GETTING SUPER IN THE WEEDS BECAUSE
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WE JUST RECEIVED THE CCEP GRANT AND THEN WE'RE JUST RECEIVING THE LUMA GO GRANT TECHNICALLY AFTER STARTING THE PROCESS OF FILING OUR TDA CLAIM, UM, THAT KIND OF LIKE REPURPOSES PART OF THAT TDA CLAIM, THAT 3 MILLION, RIGHT, LIKE THE 3 MILLION CLAIM, NOT THE REMAINING, UM, IT ESSENTIALLY MEANS WE NEED LESS OF THAT.SO THEN THE REMAINING BALANCE, THAT 380 K CARRYOVER BECOMES 4 73 K CARRYOVER.
SO LIKE PART OF THAT IS GETTING RESHUFFLED IN REAL TIME AS WE'RE ACCEPTING THE GRANTS TOO.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLICATION.
OKAY, SO THEN, SORRY, I HAVE A QUE FRANK DID THAT.
SO I'M ASKING WHAT I'M SEEING AND I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU? I'M CONFUSED.
UM, YEAH, I, I MEAN, UM, YEAH, I, SO I, SO I'M, I THINK I UNDERSTAND PART OF THE CHANGE, UH, AND I'LL, I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS ON IT UNTIL COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, BUT UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER FOLLOW UP ON THIS, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND JUST THE ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP IS THAT I THINK THAT THE 500,000 MORE THAT WE'RE SEEING IS PRIMARILY COMBINING WHAT WE SAW AS AN ADJUSTMENT ROLE LAST MONTH, WHICH IS CARRYOVER PLUS THE TWO 60 K FROM SONOMA COUNTY CHANGE.
UM, THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S THE, ESSENTIALLY THAT.
UM, SO YOU TALKED ABOUT STAFFING CHANGES AND, AND UH, YOU REPRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT STAFF IS NOT PLANNING ON FILLING FUTURE PLANNED POSITIONS.
WERE THOSE FUTURE POSITIONS, WERE THE COST OF THOSE FUTURE POSITIONS REPRESENTED IN THE EXPENSE CATEGORY IN PRIOR PRESENTATIONS? THEY WERE ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, KAMI? YEAH, THEY WERE TECHNICALLY IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
UM, BUT THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT IN THE BUDGET.
SO PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET, THEY WERE IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, SO AGAIN, THIS IS LIKE ROUND FOUR OF THESE PRE OF THESE PRESENTATIONS AND IN EACH OF THESE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE HAD NUMBERS THAT REFLECTED, UH, EXPENSES.
AND WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS, ARE WE NOW, YOU KNOW, IS, IS IS IT STAFF'S CONTENTION THAT WE ARE NOW SAVING MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HIRE FUTURE POSITIONS? YEAH, I THINK I GET YOUR QUESTION.
THERE IS NO NEW ASSUMED SAVINGS DUE TO THOSE STAFF ITEMS BEYOND WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATIONS.
SO THAT IS NOT A NEW COST SAVINGS THAT'S BEEN ADDED, THAT HAS BEEN ASSUMED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF ALL THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE DONE THUS FAR.
UM, SO I THINK, WELL, I, I CAUGHT MYSELF
SO I THINK I, SO I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST TIME AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I CLARIFY IT.
SO LAST TIME I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT MV POSITIONS AND MY RECOLLECTION IS 42 FTES CURRENTLY EMPLOYED BY MB AND 27 OF THOSE ARE DRIVERS AND THERE'S PLANS TO REDUCE BY ONE DISPATCHER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE ONE DISPATCHER POSITION.
UH, CARLY, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU SPEAK TO AT ALL THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS? I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME ANALYSIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD SAY OVERALL WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN DOING THE BUILD OUT OF THE SERVICE SO WE KNOW HOW MANY DRIVERS IT TAKES RIGHT NOW TO BUILD THE SERVICE.
WHAT CARLY'S BEEN DOING IS SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE MV TEAM OVER THE PAST MONTH TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE PACKAGE.
AND AGAIN, THAT COULD CHANGE, BUT BASED ON WHAT'S ENACTED, HOW MANY DRIVERS AMONGST OTHER STAFF DO WE NEED AT THAT POINT TO OPERATE IT.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE DISPATCH, YOU COULDN'T REALLY CUT THAT POSITION IF YOU WERE MAKING NO CHANGES, YOU WOULD JUST BE UNDERSTAFFED.
SO ON THAT SIDE, WE ALREADY DID THE ANALYSIS AND ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE WE'D
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BEEN LOOKING AT THAT OVER THE PAST MONTH TO FIGURE OUT THAT EXACT NUMBER OF HOW MANY DRIVERS WE NEED AT THAT POINT.IF YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, LIKE JARED WAS SAYING, I'M KIND OF DRAFTING WHAT OUR NEW SCHEDULE MIGHT LOOK LIKE WITH THESE CUTS AND LIKE HOW UM, MANY PIECES OF WORK THERE WILL BE FOR DRIVERS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE 13 FULL-TIME DRIVERS ON BOARD FOR FIXED ROUTE AND SEVEN PART-TIME.
UM, AGAIN WITH MY DRAFT OF THE CHANGES, SO I DON'T WANT TO LIKE SPEAK TO THIS BEING FINALIZED, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE SEVEN FULL-TIME PIECES, SIX TO SEVEN, AND THEN ANOTHER SEVEN PART-TIME PIECES.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY 13 FULL-TIME? YES.
AND HOW MANY PART-TIME? SEVEN.
AND UM, AND WE THINK THAT MAY CHANGE TO IF WE ENACT, UM, THE PROPOSED CUTS, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE TO HOW MANY FULL-TIME? SEVEN FULL-TIME.
AND HOW MANY PART-TIME? UH, SIX TO SEVEN I WOULD SAY.
YOU WENT THERE, HUH? SIX TO SEVEN.
I HAVE A 12, I HAVE A 12-YEAR-OLD, SO I CAN'T ESCAPE IT.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I BEEN HEARING IT.
I'M LIKE, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA MENTION IT, I WASN'T SURE IF COUNCIL MEMBER WAS.
YEAH, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S A FAIRLY TECHNICAL EXERCISE.
IT'S NOT THE EASIEST QUESTION TO ANSWER.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO DIG IN AND GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY AND KIND OF MAKE THE SAUSAGE.
YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY START BUILDING OUT THE FUTURE SCHEDULE AND FIGURING OUT THINGS LIKE DEADHEAD TIMES AND IT GOES BACK AND FORTH.
LOOKING AT OUR BIDS AND OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT IS A BIT OF A PROCESS THAT REALLY TAKES OVER A MONTH OR SO TO GET THE EXACT NUMBER SO WE'RE HONING IN ON IT, BUT THE BEST GUESS AS OF RIGHT NOW IS THE NUMBERS.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT LEVEL OF GRANULARITY, EVEN IF IT'S OUR BEST GUESS MM-HMM
AND I'M NOT GONNA LIKE COME BACK AND TRY TO HOLD ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT WRONG.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, SO IS IS IT TRUE THEN? SO THE, THE PRIOR NUMBER THAT I HAD, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN, OR THAT I RECALL WAS 27 DRIVERS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY 13 FULL-TIME AND SEVEN PART-TIME RIGHT NOW.
ARE THOSE NUMBERS JUST FIXED TROUT, CARLY VERSUS FIXED TROUT AND PARA? THOSE ARE JUST FIXED ROUTE.
SO I THINK WE MAY BE CONFLATING TOO.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE, GENERALLY SOMETIMES THERE'S OVERLAP OF DRIVERS THAT DO BOTH FIXED TROUT AND PARAT TRANSIT.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST EITHER OR.
SO THOSE NUMBERS WERE JUST THE FIXED ROUTE SIDE.
AND SO, AND I THINK WE MAY BE CONFLATING THE TWO, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW CARLY, IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER ON THE PARATRANSIT SIDE, UH, LIKE AT LEAST CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, PARATRANSIT BILL, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY PARAT WE HAVE THREE FULL-TIME PARATRANSIT DRIVERS AND THEN TWO PART-TIME.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE FULL-TIME PARATRANSIT DRIVERS AND TWO PART-TIME AND WE'RE CALCULATING THE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY WE THINK WE NEED.
SO WITH THAT, IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY PROBABLY STAY THE SAME FOR PARA JUST DUE TO SHIPPING THE SCHEDULES, BUT NOT, WE DON'T RUN, UH, SUNDAY SERVICE.
IT'S GONNA BUMP UP MORE WEEKDAY SERVICE.
SO WITH THAT, THE PAIR OF UM, SERVICE DRIVERS WILL STAY THE SAME.
SO WE MAY NOT SEE A DROP IN THE NUMBER OF PARA, SO IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO NUMBERS TO THE UPDATED NUMBERS CARLY GAVE YOU, THAT'LL GIVE YOU THE TOTAL HEAD COUNT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PER THESE CHANGES.
UH, HOW MANY, SO DO, CAN WE GET A ACCURATE COUNT OF NON-DRIVER HEAD COUNT? YEAH, SO WE CAN DO THE QUICK MATH HERE.
SO IS IT, I MEAN IF THE TOTAL IS 42, I CAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO THE MATH, BUT SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF
SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOUR DISPATCHERS GOING TO LIKE THREE AND A HALF.
WE HAVE TWO MECHANICS, WE HAVE TWO BUS STOP UTILITY WORKERS.
WE HAVE A GENERAL MANAGER, AN OPERATIONS MANAGER, A SAFETY AND TRAINING MANAGER.
AM I FORGETTING ANYONE? THAT'S IT.
WE'VE GOT ONE ROAD SUPERVISOR AND ONE ROAD SUPERVISOR.
SO I DID NOT DO THAT TALLY, I DUNNO IF ANYONE WAS ADDING THOSE UP.
MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK THAT FAST.
HOW MANY IS THAT? CAN WE AROUND 12, BUT I, I GOT LOST TOO.
GENERAL MANAGER, OPERATIONS MANAGER, SAFETY AND TRAINING MANAGER, ROAD SUPERVISOR? UH, TWO MECHANICS.
IS THAT EVERYONE? SO THAT PLUS THE DRIVERS PLUS FOUR DISPATCHERS PLUS YEAH.
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PLUS FOUR.SO, UM, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, SO THERE'S A MIX HERE, A PART-TIME, FULL-TIME.
SO WE ANTICIPATE REALLY WE THINK, SO IN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, THE, THE PART-TIME LARGELY STAYS THE SAME AND THE PARATRANSIT STAYS THE SAME AND THE FULL-TIME GOES FROM 13 TO APPROXIMATELY SEVEN.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO SAY WITH TRANSIT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE MOST STABLE WORKFORCE.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOST SOME OF THEM, I THINK TWO, OR IS IT THREE, TWO OVER THE PAST MONTH FOR REASONS REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.
LIKE ONE OF THEM MOVED OUTTA STATE TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILY.
SO PART OF IT IS BY THE TIME WE GET TO JULY 1ST, WE ANTICIPATE WITH KIND OF THE ATTRITION RATES WE TYPICALLY SEE BEING AT THAT RIGHT LEVEL PER THOSE ESTIMATES WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANY LAYOFFS IS HOW WE'VE CURRENTLY BEEN LOOKING AT IT.
UM, IN THE PRESENTATION, SORRY GUYS.
UH, IN THE PRESENTATION YOU TALKED, YOU, YOU SORT OF RATTLED, WENT THROUGH A BUNCH OF, UH, SORT OF FUTURE ACTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE PLACE.
UH, ARE ANY OF THOSE FUTURE ACTIONS CURRENTLY BAKED INTO THE NUMBERS IN THE PRESENTATION OR ARE THEY'RE JUST THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO GO AFTER AND, AND SORT OF MIGHT GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUES FOR FUTURE YEARS? THE LATTER.
WE WANNA BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THESE ASSUMPTIONS, SO NOT ASSUME OTHER CHANGES BEYOND WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
LIKE GRANTS THAT TFCA GRANT WE'RE GOING FOR, WE DIDN'T WANNA BAKE THAT IN WITH THE ASSUMPTION, EVEN THOUGH WE THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THOSE THINGS IN ANY OF THESE NUMBERS AT THIS POINT.
MY SCRIPT HERE, SO NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THOUGHT MAYBE THESE GUYS WERE PUBLIC.
WELL VERY INTERESTING, UM, CONVERSATION.
AND I WAS, I HAD SO MANY PAGES HERE, SO, UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO, YOU CAN FILL THIS OUT.
AND SINCE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE, YOU HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR TIME AND IF SO, THANK YOU.
UM, IF YOU COULD TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR PART.
I'M ON THE BOARD FOR COTS IN TOWN.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UM, CARING FOR PEOPLE AS A NURSE PRACTITIONER FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
PEOPLE, THEY'RE LOW INCOME PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO RIDE THE BUS, UM, AND HAVE SOMETIME NO OTHER OPTIONS.
SO I GOT FOUR PHONE CALLS YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY SAYING, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS TRANSPORTATION? AND THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES IN AVAILABILITY TO FOLKS THAT MIGHT USE THAT TRANSPORTATION.
SO DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE, I SHOWED UP HERE TO SEE WHAT YOU KNEW ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING THE BUSES.
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT PARIS HERE BECAUSE THAT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT PART OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, WHO ARE YOU SERVING? HOW WILL, IF, IF THERE IS A CHANGE, SAY WITH, UM, WITH LUMA GO AND, OR JUST WITH WORK SCHEDULES, WITH THE PEOPLE AT THE SHELTER THROUGH SOMETIMES WORK GRAVEYARDS, ET CETERA, UM, AND PARTICULARLY THE LUCKY STOP PICKUP STOP THAT TAKES YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD SO THEY CAN PICK UP ANOTHER BUS, UM, IF THEY'RE, IF THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT POPULATION.
AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED ANY OF THIS WITH COTS SO THAT THEY CAN SORT OF ANALYZE WHAT THE BUS, YOU KNOW, USE IS? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MEETING? WHEN I LEFT A MESSAGE, I GOT A, A RESPONSE AND I SAID, OH, ARE YOU GONNA GO TO THE MEETING AND SHOW UP? AND I SAID, SURE,
SO, SO BASICALLY THE QUESTIONS ARE WHO USES THE BUS? WHO IS THIS GONNA HURT? AND LOOKING AT THE WAY FUEL COSTS ARE THESE DAYS, ARE WE GONNA HAVE AN INCREASE IN BUS USE? IS THIS LONG TERM? I MEAN, USE YOUR CRYSTAL BALL HERE.
WHAT IS GONNA GO ON WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
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ARE WE NEED TO MOVE TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA EXPAND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WE DON'T WANNA NIP OFF ANYTHING.WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.
AND UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PERSONALLY I'VE HAD PEOPLE TAKE THE BUS AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE WERE PAYING FOR THE BUS PAY FOR SOMEONE TO GO WITH THEM SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW THE ROUTE AND HOW TO GET ON AND OFF THE BUS, THEY NEEDED A, THEY NEEDED A GUIDE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'VE TALKED WITH PARTNERSHIP HEALTH PLAN, THE MEDI-CAL INSURANCE, UM, WHO CURRENTLY PAYS FOR LYFT RIDES, OR THEY ARE, THEY ARE CONTRACTED WITH THAT.
AND WHEN THAT BUDGET IS GOING TO EXPIRE, WHICH AGAIN WOULD LOAD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AGAIN, ALSO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ORGANIZATION YOU COULD CONSIDER TALKING TO GRANTS ABOUT.
BUT WE'RE, LOOK, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT IS THE NEED.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS HAVING THAT OPTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO EXPAND TRANSPORTATION AND BETTER UTILIZE TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T THINK, LIKE I SAID, UH, NOBODY THAT I KNEW, EXCEPT FOR THESE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE KEEPING THEIR EYE ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PUBLIC, UM, YOU KNOW, GAVE ME, CALLED ME AND SAID, IS THIS GONNA HURT YOU? IS THIS GONNA HURT OUR FOLKS AT COTS THAT ARE AT THE SHELTER THERE OR IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY HOUSES OR NOT? AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ASKED WHO'S RIDING THE BUS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE NEED? AND SO HAVING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THIS, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ONE, THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
THERE HAS BEEN, SO, YOU KNOW, WHO RIDES THE BUS AND WHY THEY NEED TO RIDE THE BUS AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, FUNDING FROM THE AGENCIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SUPPLYING LIKE LYFT AT A, YOU KNOW, WITH A HIGH TICKET.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT GOES OUT.
BUS MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE WHEN YOU CAN GET SOMEWHERE IN A LESS EXPENSIVE ROUTE.
WAS THAT MY THREE MINUTES? A LITTLE BIT.
WELL THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA
AND OH, DID WE HAVE ANY EMAIL, UM, COMMENTS ON OUR PRESENTATION? YES, WE DID HAVE ONE EMAIL COMMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO I GUESS IF WE CAN START AND JUST GO DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.
FRED, FRED, UH, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS, UH, OR THINGS YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE I DO, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT PRESENTATION, MOST, MOST OF THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON FARES TO KEEP THE BO THE BUSES RUNNING, OBVIOUSLY.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LUMA GO AND THE TRANSITS REGULAR, WE JUST, YOU CAN'T CHARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT PAY FOR THE FUNCTIONING OF THE BUSES.
BUT THERE MUST BE SOME WAY IN WHICH WE CAN COMBINE, I DON'T KNOW, PARATRANSIT AND LUGO, WE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT AND AT LEAST MAKE SOME, SOME FARES AVAILABLE.
AND PAYMENT, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO THE NEW TO THE TOWN.
THEY'RE PRIMARILY SENIORS WHO HAVE MOVED IN.
SOME MANY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND MOST OF THEM WONDER ABOUT LUGO.
THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION THAT COMES UP.
AND THEN MANY OF THE CASES IT HAS TO DO WELL.
IT'S NOT, I'M NOT IN THE, IN THE ZONE.
WELL, YES, BUT THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE DECIDED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE PICTURE IS LUMA GO, ISN'T GONNA BE GOING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THAT'S AT HOW THERE'S ANY WAY TO KEEP IT GOING WITHOUT MORE CITY FUNDS OR MORE GRANTS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU WORRY ABOUT TOO, I'M SURE.
AND, UH, BUT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
SO THIS PARTICULAR WOMAN I SPOKE TO THE OTHER DAY, SHE'S RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM SACRAMENTO BECAUSE HER FAMILY, HER CHILDREN LIVE HERE, ONE OF THE CHILDREN, SHE'S NOT IN THE ZONE, BUT SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY PEOPLE WON'T BE WILLING TO PAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SHE THREW OUT SOME NUMBERS AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT TO KEEP THIS THING GOING.
UM, AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH JUST PAYING FOR THE REGULAR ROUTES.
I MEAN, WE, YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH JUST FARES.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THE STAFF DOES GOING OUT, LOOKING
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FOR MONIES TO FIND AND, AND USE.AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR BEING HERE AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SURE YOU'RE INVOLVED IN ALL THIS TOO.
UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THIS IS A POSITIVE YAY.
I LOVE THE NEW BUS DESIGN FOR THE, UH, THE, UH, E E-BIKES, UH, E-BIKE, E
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT COLOR ON MY E-BIKE.
BUT THERE'S, I'VE SEEN I THINK ALL FOUR OUT THERE THIS WEEK.
AND MAN, IT'S FUN TO WATCH 'EM JUST LOOKING SO, SO NICE
UH, I'M THINKING, UM, LET'S SEE.
I'M, ONE OF THE THINGS IS I HAD DOWN TWICE HERE IS JUST AS I'LL COME TO COMBINATION OF LUEGO AND PARATRANSIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
THERE'S MONEY, PROBABLY DIFFERENT MONIES IN THEY INVOLVED THERE.
UM, AND IT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IF LUEGO IT HAD, HAS IT EVER BEEN CHARGING? I MEAN THEY'VE ONLY, YOU'VE ONLY BEEN, WE'VE ONLY BEEN AT IT FOR A YEAR.
WAS THERE EVER FEES UPFRONT TO BEGIN WITH? THERE WAS NEVER FEES CHARGED FOR IT.
AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM SOME OF THE PRIOR PRESENTATIONS, WE DID LOOK AT A FEW DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
ONE OF WHICH WAS CALLED CO-MINGLING OF RIDERS BETWEEN LUGO AND PARATRANSIT, ALTHOUGH WE THINK THAT WOULD ACHIEVE SOME COST SAVINGS, WE FELT THAT WAS FAIRLY LOW.
AND WE ALSO CONSIDERED CHARGING FARES ON REALLY ALL THE SERVICES.
BUT LUGO IN PARTICULAR, THAT WOULD BRING IN ABOUT 50 TO 60,000 ESTIMATED REVENUE PER YEAR COMPARED TO THE SERVICE THAT COST 320,000 OVERALL.
SO IT'S A PIECE BUT NOT CLOSE TO FUNDING THE ENTIRE THING.
SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
EVEN THE OVERALL CITY FAIRS, OF COURSE WE GET 180,000 PER YEAR FROM THE CITY GENERAL FUND ALONG WITH SOME MONEY FROM S-C-T-C-A FOR FREE FARES.
BUT THOSE ARE GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY WITH THAT PARTICULAR USE IN MIND.
SO IF YOU BRING BACK FARES, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING MORE MONEY COMING INTO TRANSIT, IT'S JUST REPLACING ONE FOR ANOTHER GENERALLY.
AND YOU'RE NOW CHARGING PEOPLE AT THE FAIR BOX.
SO YOU MAY EVEN SEE YOUR RIDERSHIP DECREASED TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE IF THAT FUNDING WAS NO LONGER COMING IN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IN ORDER TO SAVE THE MONEY, THE SERVICES MAY BE DROPPING DOWN.
I MEAN, THE SERVICE LEVEL THAT MAY BE COMING BACK DOWN, THERE'S ALWAYS ELASTIC TO CITIES WITH TRANSIT FARES.
SO ANYTIME THE FAIR, THEY GENERALLY DON'T GO DOWN, THEY USUALLY GO UP.
BUT ANYTIME THEY GO DOWN OR UP, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME LEVEL OF RIDERSHIP LOSS.
AND SO, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, IF YOU GO FROM A FAIR FREE SYSTEM TO IMPLEMENTING ANY FAIR, UH, YOU WOULD SEE A RIDERSHIP DECREASE AS A RESULT.
PATTY, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UH, DAVE ALDEN HAD ANY INPUT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER HERE SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I GUESS HE EMAILED YOU.
AND ALSO IF THERE WAS AN EMAIL COMMENT, I NEVER SAW AN EMAIL COMMENT.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SEE THOSE? DID I, IT'S A MYSTERY, MYSTERY MYSTERY TO ME, BUT THEY'RE NEVER READ AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM MYSELF.
BUT THAT SEEMED TO BE THE PROTOCOL WHEN I JOINED THE COMMITTEE.
WE ALWAYS POST THEM ONLINE AFTERWARDS.
THE PARTICULAR EMAIL IN THE COMMENTS FROM MR. ALDEN CAME IN SHORTLY BEFORE THE TAC MEETING, I THINK ABOUT A HOUR OR SO BEFORE.
AND, AND I DO HAVE, UM, HIS COM I, I PRINTED THAT OUT SO I CAN SHARE THAT WITH UNDER MY COMMENT.
WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE? THERE WAS ANOTHER EMAIL COMMENT.
DID I MISS THAT? WHERE DO I FIND THAT?
AND THEN THE ONE FROM MR. ALDEN THAT JESS WENT TO CHAIR ABRAMS AND MYSELF ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
I THINK WE'LL ADD THAT TO PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AND GET THAT POSTED.
I THINK GENERALLY IF THEY'RE PROVIDED WITH SUFFICIENT NOTICE, THEN THEY'RE POSTED ONLINE AHEAD OF TIME.
MELANIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT KIND OF THE TIME IN ADVANCE? WE NEED PRIOR TO DOING SO, TYPICALLY, SO NORMALLY FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS IT'S A TWO HOUR IN ADVANCE CUTOFF.
SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN PRIOR TO TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING START TIME GETS POSTED IN THE PACKET ONLINE.
ANYTHING THAT COMES IN TWO HOURS BEFORE OR EVEN AFTER THE MEETING GETS POSTED THE NEXT DAY.
DID DAVE SAY ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER
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HE, HE HAD SOME DETAILED QUESTIONS SO ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE CONTIN, YOU KNOW, THE 20% CONTINGENCY MEANT AND THE VERBIAGE OF ANNUAL VERSUS END OF YEAR, BUT I THINK, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, SO WE'LL MOVE ON.UM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE DAVE AND, BUT HIS, HE HAS A PRIMARY CONCERN, WHICH IS THE, THE SAME AS MINE THAT, UM, SCT WOULD, WILL PUSH BACK ON THE 44 48 WITHDRAWAL.
AND UNTIL THAT'S FINALIZED, HE'S UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, CLAIMING THE, THE SAVINGS.
SO, UH, HE, HE WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE NUMBERS WITHOUT THAT UNTIL WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S REAL.
AND THEN HE WAS HOPING THAT THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE, AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS COULD, UM, INDICATE, UH, OUR PRIORITIES FOR, AND I, UM, AND I THINK THIS WAS COMING FROM OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, BUT, UH, OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSED CUTS, WE COULD INDICATE OUR PRIORITIES OF, OF THINGS TO SAVE, UM, WITH A, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE SOME CITY FUNDS, UH, TO TRANSIT.
I, AND I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SANTA ROSA AND SONOMA CITIES DO FUND PARTIAL, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, OF THEIR TRANSIT AND, AND WE DO DO NOT, ALTHOUGH WE DID GET SOME MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR LUMA GO FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT'S JUST THAT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO TO COUNCIL THAT THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO SAY, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT AND HERE ARE SOME LINE ITEMS THAT WE COULD SAVE WITH SOME GENERAL FUND FUNDING.
UM, SO I THINK ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS, IS THAT I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL EXPERIENCE REDUCED SERVICE.
AND, UM, UH, I, AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING TO HAVE A THREE YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I AM GOOD WITH A TWO YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION.
UH, BUT I ALSO AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT
UM, I'M IN PUBLIC HEALTH, BY THE WAY,
AND, UM, I, UM, I REALLY, UM, HAVE HAD TO, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE STAGES OF GRIEF WITH, UM, AGO, UM, BECAUSE I WAS REALLY VERY, VERY MUCH A PROPONENT OF THAT SERVICE.
UH, AND I HAVE SEEN HOW, UM, HOW PEOPLE WHO AT LEAST LIVE IN THE SERVICE AREA, UH, HOW THEY, HOW THEY LIKE IT.
UM, AND UM, BUT I ALSO REALIZE THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL MEETINGS NOW WHERE WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAVE IT.
UH, AND I, UM, I JUST NEED TO EXPRESS MY SADNESS ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN, UM, MAYBE DO WHAT DAVE HAD SUGGESTED AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE LESSER COST ITEMS THAT PERHAPS WE COULD, WE COULD PRIORITIZE MAYBE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO RECONSIDER, UH, FUNDING FOR THIS ISN'T GONNA SAVE LUMA GO BECAUSE THAT IT SERVICE JUST SO EXPENSIVE.
UH, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER SERVICES, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER SERVICE COULD GET SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I ALSO FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH INCLUDING THE 260,000 UNTIL IT'S DONE DONE.
UM, AND I WOULD NOT VOTE TO RECOMMEND ANY PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL
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THAT INCLUDES THAT IN THE REVENUE SOURCE.IT'S UNTIL IT'S AGREED UPON, UM, OR AT LEAST WE HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I AGREE THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE HARD AND GOOD WORK THAT'S GOING INTO, UM, LOOKING FOR MORE GRANTS AND TALKING WITH POTENTIAL PARTNERS THAT, UH, THAT A TWO YEAR SOLUTION MAKES MORE SENSE NOW, UH, GIVEN OUR GOAL OF SERVING THE PUBLIC.
AND MY OPINION IS THAT ANYBODY WHO'S RIDING THE BUS IN PETALUMA, IT'S AN EQUITY ISSUE IF WE CUT THEIR SERVICES.
UM, 'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE DRIVING CARS.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF A, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT WOULD WORK.
I, I LIKE THE TWO YEAR FUNDING PLUS TAC REQUESTS IN TERMS OF JUST, IT PUTS US IN A SLIGHTLY BETTER POSITION.
BUT, UM, IT'S A, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK TO THE BUSINESS PEOPLE AT, UM, THE MALL, UM, THANK YOU OUTLET MALL, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ON CUTTING ROUTE 10.
AND THEN GOING TO TALK TO THEM.
I GUESS I, WE TALKED TO THEM AND SAY, WE'D LOVE TO BRING IT BACK, BUT WE NEED HELP.
UM, AND, UH, IF I WAS GOING TO PRIORITIZE THINGS, UM, KEEPING WEEKDAY SERVICE UNTIL SEVEN SEEMS, YOU KNOW, THE LATER WE CAN RUN THE BUSES, THE BETTER.
UM, THAT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 110 TO $120,000 INPUT FROM THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN I COULD GET INTO A DISCUSSION WITH US IF WE WANNA GO IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT I JUST SORT OF THROW THAT OUT THAT I, THAT ONE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO GO OR NOT REDUCING.
THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, TO NOT REDUCE THE ROUTE 24 PEAK TIME TO KEEP A 30 MINUTE PEAK TIME.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DO USE IT TO GO TO KAISER.
I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETELY CONCRETE, BUT JUST ECHOING, UM, PATTY'S POINTS ON, ON THE EQUITY, UM, I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ROUTES, IT IS ABOUT OUR LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES.
IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO NEED THE MOST.
AND, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR A LOT OF, A LOT OF THESE CUTS, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A THING THAT WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS.
UM, BUT TO THE POINT OF MAKING THE ASK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THOSE SMALLER REQUESTS, I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS.
HOW CAN THAT BE DONE TONIGHT? KNOWING THAT SOME ACTIONS NEED TO BE TAKEN, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, HAVE THEY BEEN INFORMED WITH WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN MOVING INTERNALLY HERE? I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE KEEPING UP TO DATE WITH OUR RECORDINGS AND ALL THAT, BUT HAVE THERE, HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING AND THAT PERHAPS THERE'S INPUT THAT THEY MAY BE WANTING TO PROVIDE? THERE'S BEEN BEHIND THE SCENES CONVERSATIONS, THERE HASN'T BEEN A FORMAL DISCUSSION YET WITH COUNCIL THAT'LL OCCUR AT APRIL 6TH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL MEMBER, QUINT, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR INPUT ON THAT.
YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO REPLY TO THAT, UH, IN YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE HAD BEEN ALSO TALKING ABOUT A THREE YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND FOR A WHILE I THOUGHT THAT THAT MAYBE WAS THE BETTER ALTERNATIVE, BUT I, I'M STILL SEEING WITH A LOT OF OUR NUMBERS THAT THERE'S UNCERTAINTY.
I MEAN, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, WHAT WAS IT? THE CT C, CT STC FUNDING.
SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S STILL VERY UNCLEAR WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO, AND I DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO REVISIT THESE CUTS IN, IN TWO YEARS.
BUT I GUESS THE OPTIMISTIC SIDE OF ME HOPES THAT A TWO YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION WOULD BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NOW.
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ENOUGH OF AN EFFORT THAT WE CAN ALL DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE FUNDS AT THE TIME.SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR NOW.
I WANTED TO, UH, ONE COMMENT I HAD, UM, THE COMMENT WE GOT FROM THE AUDIENCE ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP HEALTH PLAN AND HOW THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT PAYS FOR LYFT RIDES.
JUST CURIOUS IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE THEM PAYING FOR BUS RIDES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, NOT, NOT FOR THIS PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST, UH, SOMETHING TO EXPLORE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL IS GONNA INCLUDE INFORMATION ON THE INDIRECT BENEFITS OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS, UM, IF WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF EQUITY ISSUES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING TRANSIT OVER OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A FINITE TRANSIT BUDGET RIGHT NOW, I THINK HAVING COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF TRANSIT IN, IN MEETING A LOT OF OUR OTHER GOALS IS, IS SOMETHING I'M, I'M GLAD WE'RE GONNA BE INCLUDING IN THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, I WAS CURIOUS, I KNOW AT THE LAST PRESENTATION WE'D HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUMBERS IN THE PRESENTATION, AND THERE HAD BEEN A COMMENT TO PERHAPS, UM, INCLUDE AN EXCEL FILE THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION AND COPYING AND PASTING ALL OF THE NUMBERS INTO OUR OWN SEPARATE EXCEL FILES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD HAVE OUR OWN VERSION OF THE EXCEL FILE THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT, SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME NUMBERS EACH TIME.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A PREFERENCE JUST FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, AGAIN, FOR THE FUTURE, I'D LOVE TO SEE US LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, IMPROVE SERVICE FOR RIDERS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MAKING THESE CUTS.
SO EXPLORING THINGS LIKE HAVING A DEDICATED BUS LANE DURING PEAK TIMES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WAYS THAT, THAT WE CAN IMPROVE, UM, SERVICE BECAUSE IMPROVING SERVICE IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA GET MORE RIDERS, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE US PRIORITIZE, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT THESE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
UM, AND THEN TO DAVE'S POINT ABOUT TRYING TO THINK OF, UH, AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE IF THERE DOES END UP BEING A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA BUDGET.
I THINK AGAIN, UM, FOCUSING ON HOW WE ARE, ARE CREATING A SERVICE THAT WILL BRING IN RIDERS WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
SO FOCUSING ON THE ROUTES THAT HAVE THE MOST RIDERS AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NOT HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE FREQUENT, UH, TIMES, UM, MORE FREQUENT SERVICE FOR THOSE, THOSE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP ROUTES.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS.
UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ABOUT COUNCIL, I THINK COUNCIL'S AWARE THAT THERE, WELL, I KNOW COUNCIL'S AWARE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A MATERIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IS COMING.
I'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO THEM ON THE DIOCESE THAT BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED, THAT WE'RE FACED WITH A 23% FUNDING SHORTFALL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE TRANSIT MEETING TO OUR, YOU KNOW, TO PAY ATTENTION.
SO, AND I SUSPECT THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN SOME OTHER OFF THE DIE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN FOLKS.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE, UH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS WILL BE A BIG SURPRISE.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, I, SO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY GENERAL TAKE ON THE NUMBERS IS THAT, AND TO BREAK THIS DOWN THE EASIEST WAY, I KNOW HOW, UM, WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PROJECTING A 4.9 MILLION DEFICIT OVER THREE YEARS, WE'RE NOW PROJECTING 3.5.
SO THAT DEFICIT HAS REDUCED BY 1.3 MILLION, ROUGHLY 800,000 OF THAT, OR 780,000, IS THIS $260,000 A YEAR? UM, CHANGE TO THE, I CAN'T GET THE ACRONYM RIGHT.
AND, UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, CALL IT $550,000 CHANGE IN THE NUMBERS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT IS, IF WE, IF WE, UM, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE CHANGE WITH SONOMA COUNTY, UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, STILL ANOTHER 540, 500 $50,000 THAT I'M JUST
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CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHERE THE, HOW THAT CHANGED.SO, UM, SO GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS, THE BIGGEST CLIFF IS REALLY IN 2029, IT'S A $2.3 MILLION OR WAS PREVIOUSLY PROJECTED AT A $2.3 MILLION DEFICIT.
UM, AND IT'S STILL, I THINK NOW AT A 2.1, IF WE DID NOTHING.
AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE THE RIGHT CUTS, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE PAINFUL DOWN THE ROAD AND, UH, NO PUN INTENDED.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THINKING ABOUT AND WEIGHING, UH, I'LL, I'LL SHARE SOME OTHER THOUGHTS TOO THAT I THINK ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGHTS FOR ME TO SHARE AND MAYBE UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGHTS FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN HERE TO HERE, BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING ABOUT CUTTING TRANSIT SERVICES TO THE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? SO, SO RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBERS, IF WE TAKE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US TODAY, THE SHORTFALL OVER THREE YEARS IS 17%.
AND, BUT EVEN IN THAT RANGE, I HAVE A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND REDUCING SERVICES TO THAT DEGREE, BEING RESPONSIBLE ABOUT FIXED COST.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS REDUCING VARIABLE COST, RIGHT? THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT THE TRUCKS ARE DRIVING, RIGHT? WE'VE, THERE'S BEEN MENTION TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT SORT OF PRESENTED AS FUTURE SAVINGS FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA FILL, FILL FUTURE POSITIONS.
AND, UM, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT REALLOCATING CURRENT STAFF POSITIONS.
UM, I THINK TODAY WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE OR FOUR PEOPLE ON STAFF, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT, YOU KNOW, UP HERE ADVOCATING THAT WE LAY OFF STAFF, BUT IF THERE WAS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLOCATE CER, YOU KNOW, STAFF MEMBERS TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO SAVE MONEY HERE, LIKE, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
LIKE, I WOULD RATHER, I THINK WE'RE PROVIDING A BETTER SERVICE TO PETALUMA TRANSIT RESIDENTS IF WE LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M A, I'M AN EX TRUCKER.
I USED TO RUN A TRUCKING COMPANY AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DRIVE A BIG VEHICLE.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DRIVEN A TRUCK FOR OVER A MILLION MILES AND, UH, AND I, AND I KNOW WHAT THOSE GUYS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH, I USED TO BE A DISPATCHER.
I KNOW WHAT BEING A GENERAL MANAGER AT AN OPERATIONS IS LIKE, AND I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EMPATHY FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
BUT I FIND IT, IT, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE OUR FULL-TIME.
WE'RE GONNA SEE OUR FULL-TIME DRIVING STAFF REDUCE BY ALMOST HALF, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING ONE HEAD COUNT IN FIXED, UM, IN, UM, IN, IN FIXED COST.
AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO TAKE A REALLY, HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT, UH, REALLY HARD CONVERSATION WITH MV BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK TO OUR TRANSIT RIDER BY RIGHT SIZING OUR FIXED COSTS WITH MV, I THINK IT'S A MIS JU IT'S, IT'S A MIS UH, IT'S, IT'S AN INJUSTICE.
IT'S THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE, MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN THIS COMES TO, TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES WERE LOOKED AT.
UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE WENT WITH THE TWO YEAR PLAN THAT WAS
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PRESENTED, LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE TWO YEAR PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED, I HAD THE PRESENTATION UP ON MY LAPTOP HERE.UM, THE RECOMMENDED SURPLUS THAT IF, IF, IF, AGAIN, IF I GO TO PAGE 15 ON THE PRESENTATION, THE RECOMMENDED ITEM SURPLUS IS FOR YEAR THREE, OR, YOU KNOW, CALL IT FISCAL TWENTY EIGHT, TWENTY NINE IS A NEGATIVE 777, UH, $770,000.
UM, AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO MISTAKES IN THE ACCOUNTING, THAT THAT, THAT $500,000 THAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS, UH, IS NOT AN ISSUE.
THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THE 260 KA YEAR FOR SONOMA COUNTY ISN'T AN ISSUE.
AND SO I'M FEARFUL THAT IF WE JUST ACCEPT THE, THE TWO YEAR PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED, THAT IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THESE CUTS AND THEN IN TWO YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO SHAVE OFF ANOTHER MILLION ON TOP OF THIS, UM, FOR THAT YEAR THREE.
SO I HATE TO, LIKE, I KNOW, LIKE MY, I I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I'M THE GUY THAT'S LIKE, LET'S BE REAL ABOUT THIS, BUT I GENUINELY CARE ABOUT OUR TRANSIT.
I GENUINELY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT COTS, YOU KNOW, THE RIDERS IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WANNA SEE TRANSIT SERVICE EXTENDED, UH, YOU KNOW, ROUTE 24 FOR THE PEOPLE IN DISTRICT THREE OVER, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE, THE PATRONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, UH, IN THE MOBILE HOME PARKS.
ALL OF THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME, BUT I ALSO WANT OUR TRANSIT TO EXIST IN FIVE YEARS.
AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
NO, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURE FOR THIS MEETING.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU SUBMITTED A SERVICE MODIFICATION RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO IS THIS A SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING THE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO VOTE ON? I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, IF NOT A CONSENSUS ON THE WHOLE THING.
WE ARE AT THE POINT IN THE TIMELINE WHERE WE NOW NEED TO ADVANCE WITH COUNCIL ON APRIL 6TH.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS SHOWN IN SLIDE 16 AND 17.
UM, AND I THINK TO ME, ACTUALLY MAY HAVE A QUICK WORD ON THE BUDGET REALLY QUICK BEFORE I KEEP GOING.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER, I APOLOGIZE.
I DID FIND A MISTAKE IN MY ACCOUNTING PREVIOUSLY WHEN I HAD THE, UM, MEASURES ENACTED THAT SEPARATE LINE THAT DIDN'T CARRY OVER INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEFICIT, UM, IT CARRIED OVER PRIOR TO THAT.
SO ANY REMAINING BALANCE PRIOR TO THAT CARRIED OVER.
BUT ANY ENACTED ITEMS THAT DIDN'T CARRY OVER THIS PRESENTATION, I REDID THE SPREADSHEET BECAUSE I, I SEPARATED THOSE ENACTED ITEMS, SO THE SPREADSHEET BETTER CARRIED IT OVER.
SO THAT 500 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS I'M LIKE REDOING IT AND BEING LIKE, OH, IF I HAD DONE IT THE THIS WAY WITH A CARRYOVER, IT ACCOUNTS FOR 5 0 1.
SO THAT IS THE ACCOUNTING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT MISTAKE AND ERROR.
I DON'T WANNA, UM, GO INTO THAT, UM, ANYMORE THIS EVENING.
UH, I WOULD, IF YOU, IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELPING ME FEEL CONFIDENT, UH, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SEND THAT AS A SORT OF A POSTSCRIPT.
UM, SO TO GET BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT'S A COMBINATION OF SLIDE 16 AND 17.
SO AS OF NOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE PROPOSED ACTION, BUT IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO RECOMMEND AN ACTION SUCH AS ADOPTING THAT, ADOPTING THAT WITH MODIFICATIONS OR ANY CHANGES.
OF COURSE, ANY FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT WILL BE INCLUDED AND PASSED ON TO COUNCIL IN THE COMMENTS SECTION.
BUT I THINK ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF AD SCRIPTS MODIFICATIONS TO IT, I THINK COULD BE INCLUDED IN KIND OF THE RECOMMENDED ACTION AS WELL.
AND I THINK WE ALREADY HEARD SOME INPUT ON KIND OF OTHER PRIORITIES.
IF SOMETHING WAS TO GET ADDED, GET REMOVED, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD.
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OKAY, THANK YOU JARED.UM, I'M JUST TAKING A QUICK LOOK AT, UM, WHAT THE SURPLUS SLASH DEFICIT LINES WOULD BE IF WE SUBTRACTED 260,000 FROM THE REVENUE.
SO IF YOU COULD BEAR, AND DID YOU ALREADY DO THAT? I DID
SO COULD YOU, SO IF WE WENT WITH THE THREE YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US THE, UH, SURPLUS NUMBERS FOR THE THREE YEARS I CURRENTLY HAVE, IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, I CAN DO BOTH.
I, I CURRENTLY HAVE THE THREE YEAR PLUS THE TAC RECOMMENDATION, SO THAT INCLUDES THE ROUTE 24.
UM, SO THAT PUTS, OH, I JUST HAD IT, IT HAS US AT A FY 28.
SO THE MIDDLE YEAR REMAINING BALANCE OF 50 5K INSTEAD OF THE, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT? SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHICH RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE TWO YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION PLUS TAC REQUESTS.
UM, IT HAS THE ORANGE TABLE IN IT INSTEAD OF 5 75 THAT PUTS US AT TWO 60, OR EXCUSE ME, THE TWO 60 IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE MOVING, THAT PUTS US AT UM, 50 5K IN POSITIVE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT, AMOUNT BALANCE LIKE COMPOUNDING FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS.
WHY DO WE LOSE THE TWO 60 TWICE? BECAUSE THEY, IT DOESN'T GET ADDED EVERY YEAR.
SO I HAD IT COMPOUNDING OF EVERY YEAR WE WOULD RECEIVE TWO 60 AND SO, AND THEN THE POSITIVE AMOUNT WOULD FOLLOW, LIKE FLOW INTO THE FOLLOWING YEARS.
I'LL RERUN THE NUMBERS TO CONFIRM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I JUST PULLED.
SOME ITEMS ARE LIKE ONE TIME SAVINGS REVENUES, THAT'S A ANNUAL COMPOUNDING ONE.
SO IT'S IMPACTS OF EVERY YEAR THE TWO 60 BEING SAVED.
BUT IT DOES NOT WORK FOR ME TO SIMPLY SUBTRACT TWO 60 FROM EACH NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM ROW.
BUT THEN THERE'S LIKE THE INTEREST THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT COMPOUNDED THERE AS WELL, BUT 5 75 MINUS TWO 60 IS THREE 15 AND INTEREST COULD NOT ACCOUNT AND YOU'VE TAKEN IT DOWN TO JUST 55.
I DON'T, AND I, WHICH IS ANOTHER I'LL REFI.
WELL, I THINK WITH THE 5 75, YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE TWO 60 TWICE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT COMES OUT ONCE FOR 27, 2 60, AND THEN THAT BRINGS DOWN THE 5 75 BY TWO 60, THEN YOU WOULD TAKE IT OUT A SECOND TIME FOR 28, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M NOT SURE IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
OKAY, WELL I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AND I, AND, AND I HEARD ALL ON MY OWN INDEPENDENT BEFORE SEEING THIS EMAIL FROM UM, DAVE, BUT HE'S NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PRESENTING THIS WITH THE TWO 60 INCLUDED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE IF IT'S NOT INCLUDED, BUT THEY'RE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
SO AS I'M REPOING IT BACK UP, UM, WITH THE TWO 60, A REMAINING BALANCE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IS 8 48 ISH.
UM, WITHOUT THE TWO 60, OUR REMAINING BALANCE FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR IS 5 88 ISH.
THAT MEANS 5 88 VERSUS 8 48 GETS PUT BACK INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY THE TWO 60 SHOWS UP TWICE BECAUSE THAT ESSENTIAL SAVINGS OKAY.
BETWEEN THE FIVE 80, IT WASN'T IN OUR SAVINGS MM-HMM
AND THEN WE DON'T GET IT AGAIN.
AND SO THAT'S HOW I GET THE 55 REMAINING BALANCE.
AND SO WE'RE IN THE RED BY TWO 60 TIMES THREE PLUS 4,000 OR 400,000.
SO WE WOULD STILL BE IN THE, I'M NO, BY THE TIME WE GET 2 28, 29, 0, 28, 29, IT'D BE 1.23, EXCUSE ME, ROUNDING UP 2 4 0 MILLION 1.240.
SO DOES, I'M GOING TO JUST BACK OFF FROM THIS RABBIT HOLE AND ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TWO 60.
BECAUSE IF A STRAW POLL, IF EVERYONE ELSE IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, UM, DAVE AND I ARE NOT A MAJORITY.
SO WHO, WHO IS COMFORTABLE WITH INCLUDING THE
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ON NOT TO THE TWO B AGREED UPON DELTA IN THE ACCOUNTING FOR THE TDA THAT WILL PROB WHO, WHO'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE.SO DO WE KNOW WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE'LL HAVE BUY-IN FROM THE COUNTY, THE COORDINATED CLAIM GETS APPROVED AT THE NEXT, UM, S-C-T-C-A BOARD MEETING IN APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS.
SO THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD BE ULTIMATELY DECIDED THE LETTER THAT'S HOPED TO GO OUT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO FROM THE CITY STATING ITS INTENT TO FORMALLY WITHDRAW FROM THAT ARRANGEMENT.
SO WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED OUR LETTER YET.
SO WE HAVE NO, SO THE, UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF, SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE THREE OPTIONS AND WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY MIND WAS THIS IDEA THAT MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT TO COUNCIL THAT SAYS IF, UH, IF, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN BACKING OUT OF THAT AGREEMENT, UM, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE RECOMMEND PROPOSAL ONE IF NOT PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND PROPOSAL TO, AND UH, KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THREE FLAVORS ON HERE.
THERE'S THE TWO YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
THERE'S THE TWO YEAR PLUS TECH, WHICH IS REALLY TWO YEARS, IT'S IT'S STAFF'S PROPOSAL PLUS ELIMINATING ROUTE 10 AND ADDING BACK THE SCHOOL TRIPPER.
AND SO SUPPLEMENTING THE LOSS OF ROUTE 10 WITH THE SCHOOL TRIPPER AND POTENTIALLY ADDING SOME SERVICE ON SATURDAY FOR ROUTE 24.
SO, SO IT GOES FROM THAT TO THE THREE YEAR SOLUTION.
AND THE THREE YEAR SOLUTION IS, YOU KNOW, CANCELING ALL ROUTE 10, INCLUDING THE TRIPPER SERVICE, UH, CANCELING SATURDAY SERVICE AND REDUCING WEEKDAY SERVICE FROM SEVEN TILL SIX.
SO THAT'S REALLY, AND SO, SORRY, IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO FOLLOW, BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT THE PROPOSAL COULD BE, OR THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING OUT OF THAT AGREEMENT, YOU GO, WE RECOMMEND THE TWO YEAR PLUS THE TAC REQUEST.
AND IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPTION THAN GOING WITH THE THREE YEAR.
LIKE AM I, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
JERRY, I'M CURIOUS LIKE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN BACKING OUT OF THAT, UM, THE, THE COUNTY AGREEMENT, IS IT, IS THE THREE YEARS FUNDING SOLUTION OPTION NECESSARY OR IS IT SOMETHING BETWEEN THAT AND THE TWO YEAR PLUS TAX? I HONESTLY THINK THE TWO YEAR WOULD STILL BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE BEING PRETTY CONSERVATIVE WITH THE GRANTS.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR SO GRANTS OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO THAT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN BEFORE.
THERE'S NO ASSURANCE THAT WE GET THOSE, BUT I THINK WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD LUCK.
SO IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCE OF HOW SAFE AND CONSERVATIVE YOU WANNA BE WITH THE NUMBERS VERSUS HOW MUCH SERVICE YOU'RE CUTTING THAT'S POTENTIALLY IMPACTING PEOPLE.
I STILL EVEN GIVEN THAT ASSUMPTION, THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE APPROACH KNOWING HOW WE'VE DONE WITH THE GRANTS OVER THAT TIMEFRAME.
BUT I UNDERSTAND KIND OF OPINIONS DIFFER ON THOSE THINGS.
AND I THINK IF THERE WAS, FOR EXAMPLE, RECOMMENDATION THAT'S KIND OF CONDITION IS BASED UPON THE FUNDING SCENARIO WITH SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, PERHAPS IF THE CITY'S FULLY WITHDRAWN FROM THAT, THEN OPTION A, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN OPTION B THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL.
IF THAT'S PERHAPS A SCENARIO WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, YEAH, UM, I'M TRACKING WITH THAT.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS GETTING TO YEAR THREE AND HAVING US HAVING BEEN NOT, NOT BEING ABLE TO CLOSE THE GAP ON 770,000.
UM, BUT I LIKE, I MEAN I THINK YOU FRAMED UP THE OPTION NICELY THAT YOU KNOW SORT OF HOW YOU CAN GO ONE WAY IF YOU, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL AND THE OTHER WAY, IF NOT,
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I HAD A QUESTION.IS THERE A WAY OF LEAVING WITH A BLENDED VERSION OF THE RECOMMEND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THEN ITEMS FROM UH, THE THREE YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION AND KIND OF LINE ITEM WHAT'S ON BOTH AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO.
LIKE AN AMENDED VERSION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THIS, REMOVE THAT THEN.
SO, SO GAIL, I THINK WE'RE CIRCLING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET TO.
I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO, TO SORT OF GET A STRAW POLL IN TERMS OF WHO IS COMFORTABLE ADVANCING A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ASSUMED $260,000 PER YEAR SAVINGS.
AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE, THAT'S MY ANSWER.
BUT THE SOLUTION MIGHT BE, UM, A, YOU KNOW, HERE OPTION ONE IF YOU GET IT, OPTION TWO IF YOU DON'T, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WOULD KNOW THAT BY THE APRIL 6TH, UM, YES.
IS THAT RIGHT? UM, WHEN IS THAT MEETING? LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND VERIFY.
WOULD YOU MIND LOOKING THAT UP REALLY QUICK TO ME? WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN JUST A MINUTE.
THAT'S THE S-C-T-C-A BOARD MEETING.
THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY IS APRIL 7TH
SO LET'S SEE WHEN THE MEETING IS.
SO YOU WON'T KNOW BY, YOU WON'T KNOW BY THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP, BUT THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP YOU COULD STILL PRESENT IT AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE CONFIDENT WE HAVE A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BACK OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT.
AND SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL BACKING OUT OF THE AGREEMENT, THEN THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT.
ONE THING WORTH NOTING, A TION COUNSEL, WHEN WE DO GO TO COUNCIL, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE AN ACTION FOR APPROVAL.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE A WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION AND THE GUIDANCE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL WILL BE FOLDED INTO THE FY 27 BUDGET PROPOSALS.
SO I THINK ESPECIALLY UNDER THAT SCENARIO, YES, THAT'S ACCURATE AND, AND I, I DO THINK WE'LL GET SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP ON THE COUNCIL PROBABLY TWO OR THREE TIMES.
SO MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SHOWING UP FOR THAT MEETING AND OFFERING INPUT.
AND THAT ALWAYS HELPS GUIDES COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO DO WE HAVE OF GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING A, IF WE SUCCEED WITH BACKING OUT OF OUR KICK, YOU KNOW, PAYING, YOU KNOW, LOSING OUR $260,000 THAT WE SUPPORT, UH, Y THE UM, TWO YEAR PLUS TAC.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, UH, WE RECOMMEND SUPPORTING THE THREE YEAR PLANS.
IS ANYBODY NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
AND IS WHAT WOULD YOU BE IN AGREEMENT WITH? SO I'M GONNA PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO, BUT, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF CUTS REQUIRED, UH, FOR, UM, A POPULATION THAT'S JUST GOTTEN USED TO HAVING INCREASED SERVICE, UM, I CAN'T GO WITH A THREE YEAR SOLUTION.
I'M OKAY WITH THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE $260,000.
I'M NOT AS WORKED UP ABOUT IT AS OTHER PEOPLE ARE.
IT'LL EITHER WORK OUT OR IT WON'T WORK OUT.
I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY WITHIN THE THREE YEAR SOLUTION, GIVEN WHAT THE LEVEL OF CUTS ARE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A THREE YEAR SOLUTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD GET TO YEAR THREE AND HAVE TO MAKE MORE CUTS.
I DON'T SEE WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE, GOVERNMENTS DO THAT IN BUDGETS ALL THE TIME,
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BUT TO CUT THE SERVICE WHEN IN FACT IT MIGHT END UP NOT BEING NECESSARY, UM, IS A WHIPLASH EFFECT FOR THE POPULATION AND UM, A POTENTIALLY UNNECESSARY ONE.AND SO I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH LOOKING OUT AT, AT TWO YEARS AND SEEING WHAT CAN BE BROUGHT IN IN THE MEANTIME.
SO GAIL, I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, WHAT I WAS MULLING IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW WAS I'M GENERALLY LEANING ON THE TWO YEAR SOLUTION WITH THE TAC REQUESTS WITH A MODIFICATION OF CUTTING THE WEEKDAY SERVICE AFTER 6:00 PM I MEAN, IT'S NOT A CHOICE I TAKE LIGHTLY, BUT WE HAVE DATA CORRECT TO BACK THAT UP THAT SAYS THAT THAT LAST HOUR, MOST FOLKS ARE NOT USING THAT.
I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT A COUPLE TIMES.
ROGER SHIP DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THAT HOUR.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE SECOND HOUR.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, 'CAUSE IN YEAR TWO IT'S CUT IT TO SEVEN BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S TILL EIGHT, IT'S THE SAME FOR BOTH.
SO RIGHT NOW WE RUN TILL EIGHT 30 ON MOST OF THE FIXED ROUTES.
THE LOWEST RIDERSHIP HOUR WOULD BE THAT FINAL ONE OF THE DAY TAKING IT TO SEVEN TO EIGHT 30.
AND THEN IF YOU GO FROM, YEAH, NOT EVERY ROUTE RUNS UNTIL EIGHT 30, BUT YEAH, ONE'S CALL IT FROM EIGHT TO SEVEN AND THEN THE RIDERSHIP FROM SIX TO SEVEN IS STRONGER THAN SEVEN EIGHT, BUT IT'S STILL ONE OF THE NEXT LOWER HOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
SO IT'S KIND OF A TIER TRANSIT AS IS KIND OF EFFECT TO WHERE YOUR LAST HOUR OF SERVICE, NO MATTER WHEN IT IS, IS DISPROPORTIONATELY LOWER.
'CAUSE NO ONE GENERALLY WANTS TO RISK CATCHING THE LAST BUS.
SO WHETHER THAT'S AT SIX OR IT'S AT NINE, YOU ALWAYS GET A DISPROPORTIONATELY LOWER RIDERSHIP FOR THAT PAST HOUR FOR THAT REASON.
I'D LIKE TO LEAN ON IF WE, IF THERE'S A STR WE TAKE ON THAT OR WHATEVER, HOW WE PROCEED.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SAY? UM, JUST A QUESTION ON THE, SO THE, YOUR, THE, THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP US FROM BACKING OUT OF THE TDA AGREEMENT.
IT'S LIKE THEY, CAN THEY PREVENT US FROM BACKING OUT OF IT? OR IS THERE ACT, IS THERE A CONCERN THERE? IT'S NOT LEGALLY BINDING.
THERE'S PRECEDENCE BECAUSE SANTA ROSA WAS AT ONE POINT PART OF THE SIMILAR AGREEMENT AND BACKED OUT OVER A DECADE AGO.
I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST RISK IS THERE'S POLITICS INVOLVED AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK IF THERE'S PUSHBACK IT BECOMES PERHAPS A HIGH LEVEL POLITICAL DISCUSSION WOULD BE THE BIGGEST RISK I WOULD HONESTLY FORESEE.
MOVING ON TO ANOTHER ITEM ON THE, THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP, UM, THE CONCEPT OF PRESENTING TO COUNCIL OUR ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER, UM, MAKING SOME GENERAL FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT CUTTING STAFF AND CUTTING SERVICES, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO TALK ABOUT, WELL, TRANSIT IS IMPORTANT, LET'S FUND IT.
AND I'M, I THINK THAT WE OUGHT, IF WE ALL CARE ABOUT IT, WE ALL THINK IT'S GOOD FOR EQUITY.
UM, IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY IN SO MANY WAYS.
SO THE, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT AND LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THESE CUTS AND PRIORITIZE THEM.
AND BECAUSE WE CAN GIVE COUNSEL SOME DOLLAR FIGURES HERE FOR $110,000.
YOU CAN KEEP THIS, WE THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD FOR ANOTHER $70,000.
SO WHY DON'T WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY CONSENSUS OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY IF, IF WE CAN'T GET CONSENSUS, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY VIEW ON WHAT ARE OUR, WE WOULD MOST LIKE TO SAVE THESE ITEMS. AND I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT, UM, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT LUMA GO AT 450 K IS GOING TO BE
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EMBRACED.SO I I'M, I'M RECOMMENDING THE ONES THAT WE MIGHT SELL.
HOW MANY OF YOU, HOW MANY ON THIS COMMITTEE HAVE TAKEN THE, THE BUS? 1, 2, 3.
SO I, WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS, WHICH WAS EVEN BEFORE JARED WAS UH, MADE THE DIRECTOR, UM, I BROUGHT THAT UP 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE ON THIS BUS AND BE AWARE OF WHO'S RIDING THIS BUS.
AND I'M GLAD THAT THERE ARE SOME PROBABLY DO IT REGULARLY JUST AS THEIR JOB, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE BUS IN AT LEAST A YEAR OR SO.
I'M GONNA GO OUT THERE AND START RIDING IT.
I LEAST HAVE THAT IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
AND GIVEN THAT WE STILL HAVE OTHER, WE HAVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT, UM, LET'S STICK WITH OUR LINE ITEM CONCEPT RIGHT NOW.
I SAW HIS, HIS REPORT WAS ONE LINE.
WELL WE, IT WAS ARE SHORT REPORTS BUT, AND WE HAVE THE STATISTICS ON THE FIXED LUMA GO AND PARATRANSIT.
SO IT WAS MORE THAN ONE LINE ANYWAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN FREELY OR PERHAPS GO DOWN THE LINE MADAM CHAIR AND SAY PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK TO THAT CONCEPT AND IF SO, MAYBE SAY THERE ARE TOP ONE OR TWO PREFERENCES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND DO WE NEED TO, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THE REPORT IN FRONT OF THEM SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE LINE ITEMS ARE? MAY MAYBE BRING UP THE SLIDE.
YEAH, LET'S BRING UP THE SLIDE.
WHICH SLIDE IN PARTICULAR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WELL, LET'S START WITH 15 'CAUSE THAT'S THE TWO YEAR FUNDING.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE TWO PLUS TAC AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE THREE AND WE CAN SEE WHAT, SOMETIMES IT'S NICE TO HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS ON ONE PAGE, BUT, OKAY.
SO WE'VE GOT, IF WE CAN KEEP, IT WOULD COST 55 TO $60,000 A YEAR TO KEEP A 30 MINUTE SERVICE ON ROUTE 24 PEAK TIME.
SO THAT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UM, IT WOULD COST 110 TO 120,000 A YEAR TO KEEP, UH, THE BUSES RUNNING UNTIL EIGHT OR EIGHT 30.
IT WOULD COST SIMILARLY 110 TO 120 TO KEEP SUNDAY SERVICE.
UM, SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT, THE TWO YEAR PLUS TAC PLEASE.
IT WILL COST 150 TO 160 PER YEAR.
UM, TO KEEP WELL, UH, ROUTE TEN, A HUNDRED FORTY SIX K, OH SORRY.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO COPE WITH THE ADDING.
UM, YOU CAN DISREGARD THE SECOND LINE IN THAT SENSE.
AND THEN FOR $15,000 A YEAR WE COULD ADD A SERVICE TO, UM, FOR SATURDAY SERVICE, UH, BETWEEN NOON AND SIX FOR, UH, ROUTE 24.
AND THEN IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE THREE YEAR FUNDING PLAN.
UM, ROUTE 10 IS STILL 146 K, SATURDAY SERVICE IS 156 K.
AND THEN EVENING SERVICE 1 0 7.
YEAH, ANOTHER HOUR LOST IS AGAIN A, THE 110 TO 120 K.
SO, SO ASSUMING SO DOES, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE TWO YEAR PLAN 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE SORT OF STARTED.
SO COULD, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, YOU BE OKAY IF WE JUST KIND OF GO DOWN THE LINE AND SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE A YEAH.
AND JUST ASK WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN.
ASK TO SEE ALL THREE PAGES IF YOU NEED TO.
WE WILL START AT YOUR END IF YOU'RE READY, FRANK.
SO FOR ME, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD TO SORT OF PICK, UH, THE, MY TOP THREE THINGS TO SAVE,
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IF STAFF WOULD FUND IT, UH, I WOULD START WITH, UM, UH, I WOULD START WITH THE RESTORING THE LATE NIGHT SERVICE, THE ELIMINATE WEEKDAY SERVICE AFTER 7:00 PM OKAY.AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT DOWN TO MY SECOND PICK, I'M GONNA FRAME THIS UP IN TERMS OF IT, IT, IT SORT OF, UM, FALLS INTO THE AD ROUTE ON 24, UH, AD ROUTE 24 SERVICE ON SATURDAYS.
I WOULD FRAME THAT UP AS MORE LIKE IMPROVED SERVICE, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN THE, UH, BAYWOOD ARMS, LITTLE WOODS MOBILE HOME VILLA NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY LIKE, SO THE, THAT, THAT'S BAYVIEW, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE BAYVIEW AREA.
AND ERIC, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS AREA REALLY WELL, SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM SATURDAY SERVICE ON ROUTE 24.
BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ROUTE 24 GO ALL THE WAY TO KAISER.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO SCHOENBERGER WAS ACTUALLY THAT PROPOSAL WAS TO GO TO SCHOENBERGER PARK ON THE SATURDAY.
AND SO MY SORT OF MY TAKE THERE, INSTEAD OF GIVING SORT OF, UM, UH, LIKE A, UM, A STRICT MANDATE OF RESTORE ROUTE 24 SERVICE ON SATURDAYS WOULD BE MORE OF A GENERALIZED IMPROVED SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON SATURDAYS.
LIKE MAYBE STAFF THAT GIVES STAFF THE ABILITY OF MAYBE ROUTING A DIFFERENT BUS THROUGH THERE OR SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MANDATING A CERTAIN ROUTE.
UM, I THINK WE, THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE IS BA BASED ON GOING TO SCHOENBERGER.
SO TO MAKE IT EASY ROUTE 24, UH, SERVICE ON SATURDAYS WOULD BE MY SECOND CHOICE.
JARED, JUST KNOW IN MY MIND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO ROUTE 24.
IT'S JUST MORE ALONG LIKE HOW DO WE FIND A, THE MOST ECONOMICAL SOLUTION TO TO, TO BETTER SERVE THOSE FOLKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE MY, SO I HAD TWO THINGS AND THOSE ARE MY TWO.
SO MY TOP PRIORITY IS, UM, WHATEVER SERVES THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF RIDER.
SO I, I AM NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE, UM, KEEPING THE, THE NIGHT SERVICE OR WHETHER THAT WOULD BE KEEPING THE FREQUENCY ON ROUTE 24.
BUT, UM, THOSE WOULD BE MY TOP PICKS WITH THE ONE THAT, THAT SERVES THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF RIDERS BEING THE, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO, WHICH WAS THE GOING, KEEPING AFTER SEVEN.
KEEPING THE LATE NIGHT SERVICE OR KEEPING THE FREQUENCY ON ROUTE 24 OR BOTH.
SO TO CLARIFY, IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR PAGE RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER ONES AFTER.
BUT YOU HAVE TO LIMIT YOURSELF TO THREE.
SO FOR ME ON THIS ONE, 'CAUSE I'VE GOT, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER ONES LATER.
UM, FOR THIS ONE IT WOULD BE THE LATE NIGHT SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN I'LL SAVE MY SECOND ONE FOR ANOTHER SLIDE.
GO TO YEAH, PLEASE GO THE OH, OKAY THEN YEAH, PEOPLE ARE JUMPING AROUND THEN IT WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE NEXT ONE.
UM, WHAT WAS THAT PAGE? PAGE 1717? YEAH.
IN UH, ADDING THE SERVICE TO ROUTE 24.
UM, TO FRANK'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LITTLE WOODS, IT'S BAYWOOD ARMS, IT'S ALSO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR SON STATE, UH, TEACHERS.
IT'S THE, UM, ALTERA APARTMENTS.
IT'S ALSO THE ONES OFF OF THE END OF CASA GRANDE ROAD.
AND AS WE HAD EARLIER TODAY, FOLKS FROM COTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE NEVER HAVE GOTTEN A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS NEVER BEEN, UM, ATTEMPTED BEFORE.
AND WAS THERE A THIRD? I THINK THAT WAS TWO.
UM, WOULD IT BE FARFETCHED TO SAY LUMA AGO? NO, I'M KIDDING.
UM, WE HAD HEARD FOLKS, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT RELIED ON THAT FOR, UM, CHURCH SERVICES,
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IF NOT THAT, SOME OUTINGS IN DOWNTOWN.I WILL ADD MY NAME TO KEEPING THE LATE SERVICE AND THE SATURDAY.
I LIKE FRANK'S FRAMING OF IMPROVING SERVICE TO THE, THE LAKEVILLE ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER THAT HAPPENS, INCLUDING SATURDAY SERVICE.
UM, AND SO CAN I ADD MY NAME TO THAT ONE? DO I HAVE TO CHOOSE? I HAVE TO CHOOSE EXACTLY ONE THERE.
OF ONE BECAUSE WE WANNA PUT A PRICE TAG ON IT.
ARE YOU DOING THE SATURDAY? OKAY.
DID YOU SAY THE SATURDAY? YEAH, THE SATURDAY SERVICE.
OKAY, THEN I'VE ADDED YOUR NAME.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, UH, I HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE, THE SCHOOL TRIPPER SERVICE.
AND THAT'S THE ROUTE 10 TRIPPER SERVICE.
BUT AS DESCRIBED, AS DESCRIBED BY JARED AS IN CUT ROUTE 10, BUT KEEP THE TRIPPER SERVICE ON THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN MY THIRD WOULD BE THE, THE SUNDAY SERVICE.
UM, I'M GONNA FORCE THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION ON PUTTING UP SOME MONEY FOR LUEGO.
SO WHATEVER LUEGO IS IS, I DON'T SEE IT ON ANY OF THESE, SO THERE'S WHAT I'M PUSHING FOR.
WELL IF WE GO BY MAJORITY RULE HERE,
UM, I'LL BE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ONE.
UM, 1, 2, 3, 4 FOR LATE NIGHT, UM, SERVICE AND OH, ONE FOR, UM, REDUCED PEAK TIME SERVICE, SO THAT DIDN'T, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT DIDN'T MAKE IT, UM, TWO ON SUNDAY SERVICE, SO, AND ONE ON SCHOOL TRIPPER AND 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ON, UM, THE SATURDAY SERVICE OR OUT TO SCHOENBERGER.
HOWEVER WE WANT TO FRAME THAT.
SO IF WE MAKE A SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL FOR OUR TWO MAJORITY PEOPLE VOTED FOR IT, WE'VE GOT, IT'S GONNA COST YOU ABOUT 110 TO 125 TO KEEP LATE NIGHT AND A BARGAIN OF 15 TO 16,000 FOR SATURDAY SERVICE.
THAT WAS A, HOW CAN THEY NOT GO WITH THAT
SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THE FEEDBACK AND POSE THAT HYPOTHETICAL.
DID WE STILL WANT TO TAKE AN ACTION PERHAPS ON SOME OF THE OVERALL ITEMS WE DISCUSSED? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPOSALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS SOMEONE WANTS TO PROPOSE AN ACTION TO BE VOTED ON TO INCLUDE THOSE ITEMS THAT WE JUST HAD CONSENSUS AS WELL.
IF THERE'S THE HYPOTHETICAL MORE COUNCIL FUNDING.
DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE SAY TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SOME CITY FUNDING AND WE THINK THESE ARE TWO GOOD PLACES TO, TO SPEND SOME MONEY.
AND I WOULD EVEN SAY MORE BROADLY, PERHAPS THE SLIDE 15 OR 17, PERHAPS SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS DISCUSSED OR 18 WITH ADDITIVE COMPONENT OF THOSE TWO CONSENSUS ITEMS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
DO WE WANT AN OVERALL RECOMMENDED ACTION? LIKE ARE WE LOOKING AT A TWO YEAR SOLUTION PROPOSED THREE YEAR PLUS THE I OTHER ITEMS WE ADDED? I THINK WE WANT A CONSENSUS BEYOND JUST THOSE TWO ITEMS TO ASK.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING FOR CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE WERE ON OUR ASK.
SO WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT JARED WOULD HOPE TO GET FROM US IS, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT TO MAKE AS AN OVERALL PROPOSAL.
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WE'VE HAD THE SUGGESTION OF, UH, THE TWO YEAR PLUS T REGARDLESS OF HOW THE TWO 60, UM, FALLS OUT OR, YOU KNOW, THE TWO YEAR PLUS TAC OR IF IT, IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT FUNDS COMING BACK TO US OR THE THREE YEAR IT DOESN'T.SO WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A PROPOSAL? WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON ONE OF THOSE.
I MEAN, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ACT, THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
ALL IN FAVOR? I THINK YOU NEED A, YOU NEED A SECOND? OH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO I'LL SECOND IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A, DO WE GOT THAT? A ROLL CALL FOR THAT ONE, RIGHT? DO WELL, JARED SAYS IT'S NOT FORMAL.
IT'S NOT FORMAL ON THAT ITEM'S DROP.
OKAY, SO SORRY, WE DIDN'T NEED A SECOND FOR STRAW.
IT'S OKAY IF WE HAVE OUR STRAW IS VERY STRONG
UM, BUT NOW JARED IS HOPING THAT WE CAN DO THE SAME FOR WHAT WE LIKE.
THAT'S NICE THAT WE THINK THE, THAT THE CITY SHOULD PONY UP SOME MONEY FOR TRANSIT BECAUSE TRANSIT'S SO DARN IMPORTANT.
BUT THAT'S HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED AND, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR, OUR BUDGET PLAN.
SO NOW JARED WOULD LIKE SOME SUPPORT FROM US FOR WHAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISES IN TERMS OF OUR CURRENT TWO, TWO PLUS T OR THREE YEAR SOLUTIONS AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEM.
AND I WOULD SAY WITHOUT ACTION, WE PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE THE ROLL CALL VOTE, BUT YES.
BUT DOES ANY, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE, UM, TO PROPOSE, I DON'T EVEN, I MOTION MAKE A MOTION, THANK GOODNESS MAKE A MOTION FOR ONE OF THOSE COMBOS.
SHOULD WE START WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE ONE THAT FOLKS DON'T, UM, AREN'T REALLY LOOKING AT, WHICH IS JUST A TWO YEAR FUNDING SOLUTION WITH WITH NO T ACTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE'RE YEAH.
THE, THE, YES, BECAUSE THE TAC SUGGESTION THAT THEY SHOULD ADD SOME MONEY TO THE POT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS COMES AFTER MM-HMM
IT'S LIKE WE ARE DOING THIS WITH A BUDGET THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE LOOKING AT AND EVERYTHING IS FIRM EXCEPT FOR A 260 K, WHICH WE ARE HOPEFUL OF, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET IT.
AND THEN, BUT IF YOU WOULD KICK IN SOME MONEY, WE CAN AMEND THIS SO THAT IT'S BETTER.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHICH OF THESE AS WRITTEN OR, UM, IF WE WANNA HAVE A CONTINGENCY IF THE TWO 60 DOESN'T COME THROUGH.
SO PROPOSAL ONE OF THOSE WAYS AS WRITTEN OR AS WRITTEN WITH A CONTINGENCY.
I THINK I WAS HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THERE.
THE SECOND PIECE YOU WERE JUST SAYING IS A CONDITIONAL IF ACTS THAN THIS.
WHAT I HEARD FROM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VASQUEZ IS JUST SLIDE 15, APPROVE THAT WITH THE ADDITIVE COMMENT OF HERE'S THE TWO CONSENSUS ITEMS. SO I THINK TO CLARIFY THAT, ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT OR DO WE WANT THE APPROACH OF CONDITIONAL IF THE FUNDING AGREEMENT IS WITHDRAWN FROM X, IF NOT Y SO MAYBE THEN I'M NOT, I'M, MAYBE I'M CONFUSED.
I DON'T THINK HE MADE A MOTION YET.
HE, NO, I HADN'T MADE A MOTION.
HE WAS ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION WOULD BE ABOUT AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED THE MOTION NOW.
LIKE IT COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE SLIDE 15 WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THESE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAD CONSENT TO ON ARE APPROVED.
OR IT COULD BE, I RECOMMEND SLIDE 17 IF WE BACK OUTTA THE AGREEMENT ALONG WITH THE TWO CONSENSUS ITEMS. IF NOT, THEN SLIDE 18.
SO IF I MAY, UM, WHAT I THINK I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE, THAT THE PROPOSAL TO COUNSEL WOULD BE SLIDE 15 BACKING OUT THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON.
AND WHERE THAT CONCERNS ME IS WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS MAKING A PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL BASED ON SERVICE REDUCTIONS.
THE CHOICE IS WHICH SERVICE REDUCTIONS ARE WE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL? AND THEN SEPARATELY FROM THAT, THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL IS, HEY, IF YOU GUYS ARE FEELING
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GENEROUS AND YOU WANT TO GIVE US SOME MONEY, HERE'S HOW WE RECOMMEND SPENDING IT.BECAUSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL HAS THOSE, UH, THOSE THINGS BACKED OUT.
BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T REALLY SAVINGS IF I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT.
IT'S LIKE IT'S CONTINGENT ON COUNCIL SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING AND THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFICULT YEAR BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL'S ALREADY GONNA HAVE DIFFICULT BUDGET DECISIONS AND GETTING THEM, GETTING COUNCIL TO ADD ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH, IT'S NOT INSURMOUNTABLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A UPHILL AND THAT'S HOW IT'D BE PRESENTED, IS THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT, IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.
JARED, I I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH WHAT FRANK HAS SAID.
IS THAT WE KEEP THIS AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS THAT WE DON'T SAY, YES, THIS IS OUR, THAT WE PROPOSE PAGE WHATEVER WITH THESE THINGS.
IT'S LIKE, THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL, LET'S TALK IT THROUGH.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT, IT'S LIKE, AND WE HAVE A SECOND PROPOSAL, WHICH IS THAT WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE CITY'S INTEREST IN EQUITY SERVICE, UM, HOUSING AND CLIMATE, THAT SOME MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS BE FOUND TO SUPPORT TRANSIT.
AND THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND WHAT COULD BE DONE.
BECAUSE I THINK AS OUR PAST SEVERAL MEETINGS HAVE PROVEN THIS GETS REALLY COMPLICATED AND YOUR HEAD GOES AROUND IN CIRCLES.
AND SO I THINK IT WILL BE A LOT CLEANER IF WE DO IT THAT WAY.
THAT'S THE APPROACH I WILL TAKE WITH COUNCIL.
GIVEN THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, ERIC? OH, I MEAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
NO, NO, IT WAS JUST TO CLARIFY,
OH, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? AND I WILL, IF NOBODY ELSE IS COMFORTABLE DOING IT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL PLAN.
LIKE IF WE ARE ABLE TO BACK OUTTA THE TDA, THEN WE'D GO WITH THE TWO YEAR SOLUTION.
AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO THEN THE THREE YEAR, BUT IT SEEMS LIKELY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT.
SO, AND ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY SAYING THE TWO YEAR, BUT NOT THE TWO YEAR PLUS TAC? OH, UH, WHICH IS THE ONE, THE STAFF, THE TWO YEAR PLUS TAC, THE ONE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS.
SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SECOND LESLIE'S PROPOSAL? I'LL SECOND THAT.
IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE QUINT.
I'M GONNA SAY YES, BUT I WANNA ALSO SHARE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE YEAR THREE, BUT I'VE, YOU KNOW, LISTENED TO TRANS, I'VE, I'VE LISTENED TO THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON INPUT FROM MY COLLEAGUES, I'M GONNA VOTE YES AND SUPPORT IT.
SO I'M GONNA SAY YES, BUT THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE CAN DO THAT
I HAVE TOO MANY PIECES OF PAPER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
UP, UH, THE COMMITTEE COMMENT SECTION OF OUR MEETING.UM, DURING COMMITTEE COMMENT, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMITTEE, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, AND THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A PLUG FOR THE, UM, PETALUMA NORTH STATION WORKSHOP THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING ON THE 21ST.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, PLEASE COME BY.
AND WHERE WILL THAT BE HELD? UH, LU CASEY PARK.
OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENT? UH, ONE I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, UH, IF YOU
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HAVEN'T SEEN IT, THE NEW, UM, SOCCER FIELD LOOKS AMAZING.UH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PLAYING ON IT YET, BUT, UH, I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, IN PBA, UM, LAST WEEK WE, UH, RECEIVED A PRESENTATION, UH, TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE REPAVING PROJECT FOR, UH, ELI AND CAWFIELD.
SO CAW FIELD'S GONNA GET THE BIG MAKEOVER, ELI, THERE'LL BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S MOSTLY STRIPING AND, AND SEAL COAT.
SO THAT THOSE, THAT'S A, A BIG PROJECT, UM, THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE A GREAT ENHANCEMENT.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC FORUM FOR, UM, THE CALTRANS LAKEVILLE STUDY, LAKEVILLE CORRIDOR STUDY.
UM, THAT IS, WE'VE, I'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ATTENDED ONE SESSION ON THAT.
AND THAT PROJECT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF REMAKING, SORT OF REBUILDING ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEM SPOTS IN OUR ENTIRE TOWN.
AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T, I THINK IT'S ON THE 24TH.
UM, DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT 24TH.
YES, THAT IS ON TUESDAY, MARCH 24TH, FOUR TO 7:00 PM AT MEOC VALLEY CHARTER SCHOOL.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS BODY TO SHOW UP AND GIVE INPUT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY BIG POSITIVE CHANGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND, UM, AND SO JUST SHOW UP IN SUPPORT, PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
PATTY, WHERE'S THE NEW SOCCER FIELD? IT'S AT ESE, UH, NEXT TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
FRED, UM, I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING TO, I DO, IT'S ON SOCCER AND THERE'S A, A VERY FAMOUS GENTLEMAN WHO PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY IN GERMANY.
MARCUS ZEER, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME, HE WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN, FOR SONOMA COUNTY, MARIN COUNTY BUILDING SOCCER AS WERE HIS THREE BROTHERS AND HIS FATHERS.
ANYWAY, HE DIED YESTERDAY OR TWO DAYS AGO, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE, UM, SMART TRAINED, UM, TAX, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX THAT IT, UH, IS EXPIRING IN LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THERE WAS A BALLOT PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CITIZENRY, UM, SIGNATURES.
AND IT IS ON THE BALLOT FOR JUNE AND THERE WILL BE, UM, PEOPLE NOW STARTING TO GO OUT AND CAMPAIGN FOR THAT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN THE SALES TAX, IT'S JUST MAINTAINING THE QUARTER CENT.
IT'LL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO CONTINUING THE DEVELOPMENT OF SMART.
AND, UH, SPEAKING OF SMART MASCOTS, THE LAST REPORT THAT WE GOT HERE DID SAY THAT, UM, THE 1 0 1 SERVICE WOULD CONTINUE UP THROUGH PETALUMA, UP TO SANTA ROSA EXCEPT FOR EVENING.
AND UH, THEY'VE, UH, GOLDEN GATE HAS PUBLISHED THEIR NEW SCHEDULE BASED ON MASCOTS AND IT, THERE'S NO 1 0 1 SERVICE BEYOND NOVATO.
SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE LAST PRESENTATION AND SIGNATURE, UH, THAT'S OUT.
SO, AND WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE SMART SCHEDULE IS THAT YOU, YOU'D PROBABLY GET OFF AT SAN RAFAEL AND, AND GET ON SMART.
[STAFF COMMENT]
HAVE THE TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT AND DURING STAFF COMMENTS, STAFF WILL PROVIDE BRIEF UPDATES RELATIVE TO THIS COMMITTEE.DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS AND STAFF SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND THERE SHOULD BE NO DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS AND THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
THE ONE ITEM I WOULD HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT IS THE ELECTRIFICATION HAS COMPLETED FOR THE PETALUMA TRANSIT, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WAS COMPLETED TWO WEEKS AGO, SO NOW WE HAVE ALL 10 OF OUR ELECTRIC BUS CHARGERS ACTIVE.
THAT WAS A LONG TIME COMING AND OUR FIXED ROUTE BUSES, THE FIRST FOUR ALL ENTERED FULL TIME SERVICE LAST WEEK.
SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO VERY EXCITING DEVELOPMENT, A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING FOR US.
DID YOU WANNA GO OVER ANY OF THE STATS ON RIDERSHIP? NO MAJOR CHANGES.
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WAS FLAT AND THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE WAS DOWN 13% FOR THE PAST MONTH.WANNA TALK ABOUT UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS? YEAH.
THE UPCOMING ONES WE HAVE IS WE'LL BE PURCHASING FIVE FIXED DROUGHT BUSES.
AND SO THE EXACT TIMEFRAME FOR THAT WILL BE AROUND APRIL IS THE, UH, MAJOR UPCOMING ITEM THAT WE HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT SEVEN 30.