* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. RECORDING IN PROGRESS. OH, [00:00:01] I DO THAT EVERY TIME. . [CALL TO ORDER] GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE 16TH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25TH, 2026. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK ON THE AGENDA. ITEM FIRST IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF OATH OFFICE. FOR OUR NEW MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE CITY CLERK, KAITLYN CORLEY, TO ADMINISTER THE OATH OFFICE TO THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. KAITLYN CORLEY, CITY CLERK, EXCITED TO DO THE SWEARING IN. SO IF I COULD HAVE OUR NEW MEMBER JOIN US IN FRONT OF THE DAIS. UH, WE'LL GET STARTED. JUST SO THE CAMERA CAN GET US STAND RIGHT HERE. AND I'M GONNA READ IT ALOUD. YOU CAN REPEAT AFTER ME. OKAY. IF IT'S THERE IN CASE YOU WANNA READ ALONG. SO, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR I, SABRINA DOVE PETRI. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE. TH I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, OR A PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES. DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ROLL. DOV, PETRI, PRESENT MACIAS HERE. KEARNEY IS ABSENT. MILLER HERE. OSLER HERE. SULLIVAN HERE. NOW HERE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO LEAD THE, UH, HALL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE, FLAG. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MOTHER STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. JUSTICE. ALL NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. UH, LET'S, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF THEY RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. ONE COMMENT WAS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND THAT'S BEEN POSTED ONLINE AND WE'VE RECEIVED TWO IN-PERSON COMMENTS FOR TONIGHT. FOR GENERAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK AND INVITE THE CLERK TO READ GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY OR GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING, A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THREE MINUTES PER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, CALL IN-PERSON, PUBLIC SPEAKERS INTERN UNTIL ALL HAVE SPOKEN THAT WISH TO. FIRST UP IS CHINO ROGERS. GOOD EVENING. I'M CHANTELLE [00:05:01] ROGERS, 32 YEAR, UH, RESIDENT OF PETALUMA. UM, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU VOTED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES TO THE CITY'S FLOCK CAMERA USE. IT WAS NOTED THAT THE FREE GRANT PAID PERIOD ENDS THIS SEPTEMBER. AND AS SUCH, THIS IS A TIMELY ISSUE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE COMING UP TO THE CITY'S BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. AND FUTURE FLOCK USE WOULD NEED TO BE CITY FINANCED. COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY HAVE ASSUMED THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE UP, WOULD TAKE UP THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. COUNCILWOMAN. NOW DUTIFULLY REPORTED YOUR RECOMMENDATION, ALBEIT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB AS AND HAS AN EXCELLENT PLAN IN PLACE. AND THEN THE COUNCIL DID NOTHING WITH THAT INFORMATION. I HAVE SPOKEN TWICE IN CITY COUNCIL GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? HOW DO WE GET THIS AGENDIZED? TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE THE COUNCIL RESPONSE. CRICKETS. I SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF THIS MEANS THAT THE ISSUE JUST DIES. AGAIN, NOTHING. PETALUMA IS REALLY PROUD OF ALL OF ITS CITIZEN COMMITTEES. IT'S PART OF OUR ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND WHILE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND CITY STAFF PUT IN TO BRING ISSUES TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THESE COMMITTEES IS ADMIRABLE. THEY HOLD NO POWER TO COMPEL THE CITY TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR TO DISCUSS ANY MATTER. IN ORDER FOR AN ITEM TO BE AGENDIZED, THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, OR MULTIPLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO PUT IN A REQUEST. SINCE THE POLICE CHIEF ASSURES US THAT THERE IS ZERO RISK WITH THIS AI EMPOWERED CLOUD STORE DATA, CHANCES ARE SLIM THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE IT UP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM DISCUSS THE ISSUE, YOU WILL NEED TO DO MORE THAN VOTE THAT IT SHOULD HAPPEN. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS NINA ZITO. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW, UM, MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, WHICH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT. IT'S MY OPINION, UH, IN THIS DATA CENTRIC WORLD, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FLOCK CAMERAS AND THE LIKE THAT OUR, UH, OVERSIGHT PROFESSIONALS THAT INTEGRA SURE. REPORT ON THESE DATA. AND THEY SHOULD INCLUDE, IN MY OPINION, LIKE HOW MANY CONTACTS WHO BOUGHT THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHO AMONG YOUR, YOUR JURISDICTIONAL PEERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT. BUT, UM, THERE ARE MANY INTERESTING LIAISONS THAT EXIST, AND IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE PROFESSIONALS IN SAFETY OVERSIGHT ARE WELL EQUIPPED TO DO SO IN A VERY CLEAR REPORTING TO BE SHARED. RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE CHART, AND I I'LL REALLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE IF LOOK THE DATA FIELDS, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. YOU'VE GOTTA LIKE, SO LIKE MAYBE ONE PAGE PER FIELD JUST FOR AS WE ROBUST TRANSPARENCY. RIGHT, GUYS? THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THAT CLOSES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND AT THIS POINT WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO EVERYONE WHO SPOKE IN, GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS THE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF FEBRUARY 25TH, 2026. I'D ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS. THERE ARE NONE. THEN AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. IF THERE ARE NONE, I CAN STATE THAT THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AS PRESENTED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. MOTION. I'M SORRY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA ITEM [PRESENTATIONS] IS OUR PRESENTATION. UH, WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BODY-WORN CAMERA PROGRAM. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION ITEM BY INTRODUCING THE TOPIC AND INVITING LIEUTENANT VERA RIVIERA AND COMMAND STAFF TO SPEAK AND PRESENT THE ITEM COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE CHAIR. UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS MEANT TO BE AN OVERVIEW OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS INTERVIEW ROOM, UH, VIDEO RECORDING, MOBILE VIDEO RECORDING, WHICH IS AN AXON FLEET SYSTEM. UH, AND AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER RELATED QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. BODY-WORN CAMERAS ARE AN IMPORTANT TOOL [00:10:01] FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY PROVIDE AN OBJECTIVE RECORD OF POLICE INTERACTIONS WHILE ALSO HELPING PROTECT THE PRIVACY AND DIGNITY OF THE COMMUNITY. CAMERAS HAVE SEVERAL OPERATIONAL FEATURES, A BUFFERING FUNCTION THAT CAPTURES VIDEO LEADING UP TO AN EVENT AND A LIVESTREAM CAPABILITY THAT CAN ASSIST SUPERVISORS DURING CRITICAL INCIDENTS, EACH CAMERA IS ASSIGNED TO A SPECIFIC OFFICER AND IS USED ONLY FOR OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT DUTIES. WHILE IN THE FIELD, CAMERAS ARE KEPT IN BUFFERING MODE AND ARE ACTIVATED DURING CALLS FOR SERVICE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY AND TRANSPORTS. THERE ARE ALSO STRICT SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE. CAMERAS CANNOT BE USED FOR PERSONAL PURPOSES. OFFICERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RETAIN COPIES OF RECORDINGS AND PERSONAL RECORDING DEVICES CANNOT BE USED WITHOUT WATCH COMMANDER APPROVAL. THESE CONTROLS ENSURE TECHNOLOGY IS, IS, IS USED APPROPRIATELY, SECURELY, AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC TRUST. NEXT SLIDE. AS SEEN ON THE SLIDE, THE CAMERA IS MANUALLY ACTIVATED BY OFFICERS BY PRESSING THE LARGE BUTTON ON THE FRONT OF THE CAMERA. WHILE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO ACTIVATE THE CAMERA WHILE EN ROUTE AND NO LATER THAN UPON ARRIVAL AT ANY CALL FOR SERVICE, DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY OF SOME CALLS WHERE THE RADIO COMMUNICATION FOCUS ON DRIVING OR ACTIONS IN FRONT OF THEM, TAKE PRECEDENCE, THE CAMERA HAS A BUFFERING MODE. BUFFERING MODE RECORDS 30 SECONDS OF VIDEO PRIOR TO THE OFFICER'S ACTIVATION WITHOUT AUDIO. AS A PROTECTION AGAINST LATE ACTIVATIONS, OFFICERS ARE, ARE REQUIRED TO ACTIVATE THEIR CAMERAS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVITIES, WHICH INCLUDE CALLS FOR SERVICE, TRAFFIC STOPS, INVESTIGATIVE CONTACTS, AND ANY INTERACTION THAT BECOMES ADVERSARIAL. AND CUSTODY TRANSPORTS ONCE ACTIVATED, THE CAMERA REMAINS ON FOR THE DURATION OF THE INCIDENT WHENEVER PRACTICAL AND HAS TO BE BE MANUALLY TURNED OFF BY THE OFFICER. NEXT SLIDE. WHILE TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT, WE ALSO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT PRIVACY AND DIGNITY. RECORDING MAY BE LIMITED IN SITUATIONS SUCH AS SENSITIVE MEDICAL OR MENTAL HEALTH CIRCUMSTANCES. WHEN A VICTIM REQUESTS PRIVACY, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANTS AND PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS, OUR GOAL IS TO BALANCE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. NEXT SLIDE. ALL RECORDINGS ARE UPLOADED BY THE END. BY THE END OF THE OFFICER SHIFT, OFFICERS CANNOT DELETE RECORDINGS. ACCESS IS RESTRICTED, TRACKED, AND AUDITED. THIS CREATES A SECURE CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND ENSURES THE INTEGRITY OF THE EVIDENCE. NEXT SLIDE. STATE LAW REQUIRES RECORDING BE RETAINED FOR A MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS, INCLUDING, INCLUDING FOR USES OF FORCED INCIDENTS, ARRESTS AND DETENTIONS, OFFICER COMPLAINTS AND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. IF A RECORDING IS EVIDENCE IN A CRIMINAL CASE, IT IS RETAINED THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROSECUTORIAL PROCESS AND, AND ACCESS LOGS ARE KEPT PERMANENTLY. NEXT SLIDE. REQUEST FOR VIDEO OR HANDLED BY OUR CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS AND REVIEWED UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, WE ALSO COMPLIED WITH SB 1421, WHICH REQUIRES PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN SERIOUS INCIDENTS, INCLUDING OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, SERIOUS USES OF FORCE, AND SUSTAINED FINDINGS OF DISHONESTY OR SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. WHEN VIDEO IS RELEASED, WE MAKE EVERY LAWFUL EFFORT TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF VICTIMS, WITNESSES, AND UNINVOLVED INDIVIDUALS. NEXT SLIDE. UNDER SB 1421, CERTAIN SERIOUS INCIDENTS ARE NO LONGER CONFIDENTIAL. THESE INCLUDE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, USES OF FORCE RESULTING IN DEATH OR GR GREAT BODILY INJURY, SUSTAINED FINDINGS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, DISHONESTY BY A PEACE OFFICER OR CUSTODIAL OFFICER DIRECTLY RELATING TO THE REPORTING INVESTIGATION OR PROSECUTION OF A CRIME, OR DIRECTLY RELATING TO THE REPORTING OF OR INVESTIGATION OF MISCONDUCT BY ANOTHER PEACE OFFICER OR CUSTODIAL OFFICER, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY SUSTAINED FINDING OF PERJURY, FALSE STATEMENTS, FALSE, EXCUSE ME, FILING FALSE REPORTS, DESTRUCTION, FALSIFYING, OR CONCEALING OF EVIDENCE. THESE RECORDS ARE REVIEWED BY OUR CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS AND RELEASED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW WITH APPROPRIATE PRIVACY AND SAFETY REDACTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. IN ADDITION TO SB 1421, PERSONAL RECORD TRANSPARENCY, AB 7 48 REQUIRES THE PUBLIC RELEASE OF BODY-WORN CAMERA AND OTHER VIDEO EVIDENCE WITHIN 45 DAYS FOR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AND OTHER CRITICAL INCIDENTS. THE DEPARTMENT FOLLOWS THE STATUTORY TIMELINE AND WORKS WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND [00:15:01] CITY ATTORNEY TO ENSURE TIMELY RELEASE WHILE PROTECTING INVESTIGATIVE INTEGRITY. THESE LAWS TOGETHER SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND TRANSPARENCY AROUND CRITICAL INCIDENTS. NEXT SLIDE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT. SUPERVISOR REVIEW OF VARIOUS TYPES OF INCIDENTS, INCLUDING SHOW AND USES OF FORCE COMPLAINTS, VEHICLE PURSUITS IN MAJOR INVESTIGATIONS, RANDOM AUDITS, INCLUDING THE IPA DATA AUDIT, REQUIRED EVIDENCE TAGGING, ACCESS AUDITS, AND POLICY COMPLIANCE MONITORING. ANY MISUSE OF THE SYSTEM IS SUBJECT TO ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION AND DISCIPLINE. NEXT SLIDE. ALL OFFICERS RECEIVE TRAINING ON WHEN, WHEN RECORDING IS REQUIRED, PRIVACY PROTECTIONS, EVIDENCE HANDLING, AND PROPER OPERATION OF THE EQUIPMENT. UNIFORM PERSONNEL ARE REQUIRED TO WEAR BODY-WORN CAMERAS DURING FIELD OPERATIONS. NEXT SLIDE. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO SHARE A QUICK OPERATIONAL SNAPSHOT. NUMBER OF OFFICERS, UH, THAT ARE ISSUED CAMERAS ARE, IS SHOWN ON THERE, UH, AND TOTAL RECORDINGS GENERATED ANNUALLY. ONE INCIDENT CAN RESULT IN A FEW MINUTES TO HOURS OF VIDEO RECORDING. THIS HELPS ILLUSTRATE HOW FREQUENTLY THE SYSTEM IS USED AND HOW IT SUPPORTS TRANSPARENCY. NEXT SLIDE. IN SUMMARY, BODY-WORN CAMERAS PROVIDE AN OBJECTIVE RECORD OF POLICE ACTIVITY. THERE ARE STRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR ACTIVATION, STORAGE AND RETENTION. PRIVACY PROTECTIONS ARE BUILT INTO POLICY AND THE LAW ACCESS IS CONTROLLED AND AUDITED, AND THE SYSTEM SUPPORTS BOTH ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC TRUST. NEXT SLIDE. UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, IF YOU'D HAVE SOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. UM, YOU HAD SAID THAT, UH, THE, THE CAMERAS, THE FOOTAGE FROM THE CAMERAS ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC IN CASES OF GREAT BODILY INJURY. AND WHAT, WHAT CLASSIFIES AS GREAT BODILY INJURY? SO, SO THERE'S, AND THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY THROUGH, THROUGH A, UM, SO IT'S A MANDATE, LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE RELEASE OF, UM, THAT FOOTAGE. UH, AND THE, THE WAY THAT THE LAW DEFINES SERIOUS BODILY INJURY IS A SERIOUS IMPAIRMENT OF PHYSICAL CONDITION INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UH, LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS, CONCO CONCUSSION, BONE FRACTURE, UH, PROTRACTED LOSS OF IMPAIRMENT, A FUNCTION OF ANY BODILY, UH, MEMBER OR ORGAN, UH, OR A WOUND REQUIRING EXTENSIVE SUTURING OR A SERIOUS DISFIGUREMENT. SO THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT, A LOT OF SCENARIOS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EVALUATED, UH, INDEPENDENTLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT THAT INCIDENT MEETS THE CRITERIA. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A CAMERA HERE? LIKE DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A VISUAL INDICATOR THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE YOU WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THE CAMERA IS ACTIVE IN RECORDING? SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CAMERA THAT, UM, MY ISSUED CAMERA. AND, UH, THERE, THERE CAN BE, UH, THEY HAVE A FUN, THERE'S A FUNCTION FOR AN AUDIBLE BEEP, UH, WHICH CAN CAUSE CERTAIN PROBLEMS WHEN, WHEN YOU OFFICERS OUT IN THE FIELD MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANT THE CAMERA TO BE BEEPING AT CERTAIN INTERVALS, BUT THAT IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO LET THE OFFICER KNOW THAT THEY'RE RECORDING. IT ISN'T NECESSARILY A, A NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY'RE RECORDING. UM, THEY ALL, WE ALSO HAVE THE FUNCTION TO, UH, SILENT THAT, UH, WHICH INSTEAD OF A BEEP, IT CREATES, UH, IT BASICALLY SHAKES, UM, MUCH LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE WOULD SHAKE WHEN, WHEN YOU RECEIVE A TEXT OR, OR A PHONE CALL. UH, BUT THAT'S REALLY, AGAIN, INTENDED AS A REMINDER FOR THE OFFICER THAT THE CAMERA IS ACTIVE. UM, I I WOULD, THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A, A LIGHT ON THE FRONT THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE CAMERA'S ACTIVE. YEAH. SO IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE HEARING IMPAIRED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR THE OFFICER DIDN'T WANT THE BEEPING DEBATE AS A, IF YOU WERE INTERACTING WITH AN OFFICER, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT IF THE CAMERA HAD BEEN ACTIVATED OR IF IT HADN'T BEEN YOU, YOU, YOU MAY NOT. YEAH. IF, AND IT'S REALLY AN OFFICER'S CHOICE WHETHER THEY WANT THAT BEEP, UH, THAT AUDIBLE SOUND IS A, IS A, UM, AS A, A NOTIFIER THAT THE CAMERA'S ACTIVE OR WHETHER IT'S A BUZZING. [00:20:01] UM, SO ANY GIVEN TIME, ANY OFFICER COULD HAVE EITHER OF THOSE FUNCTIONS ACTIVE. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY INTENDED AS A NOTIFICATION TO A A ANYONE THAT MAY BE INTERACTING WITH THE OFFICER. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN, AND THIS MAY BE BEYOND APOLOGIES, IS SOMETHING BEYOND, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW AT THE TIP AND YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE CAMERA TYPE THAT'S OUT THERE. BUT DO, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE CAMERAS OUT THERE THAT DO HAVE SOME SORT OF VISUAL INDICATOR THAT'S MEANT MORE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA'S ACTIVE? I, I WOULD, I'M NOT AWARE OF A CAMERA THAT HAS THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM AN, FROM AN OFFICER SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD TOOL TO HAVE BECAUSE OFFICERS MAY BE OUT IN A, IN A DANGEROUS SCENE, UM, AT NIGHT, AND THEY DON'T WANT, UH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE LIT BACK, LIT WITH, WITH MY CAMERA. MM-HMM . UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BE AS STEALTH AS WE CAN IN THOSE TYPES OF DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A, A MANUFACTURER THAT IS INTENDING TO BUILD, UH, A TECHNOLOGY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. YEAH. THAT, THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE, AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT. BUT FROM THE, FROM THE OTHER STANDPOINT, IF THE PERSON THAT THE OFFICER WAS INTERACTING WITH FELT UNSAFE, LIKE, COULD THEY ASK THE OFFICER, HEY, IS YOUR BODY-WORN CAMERA ON RIGHT NOW? AND THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW IF THE OFFICER DID OR DIDN'T HAVE THE CAMERA ACTIVATED AT THAT POINT? YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMMONLY ASKED QUESTION, UH, WHETHER THE CAMERAS ARE ACTIVE AND BASED ON OUR POLICY, UH, WHEN WE'RE INTERACTING, WE'RE IN ENFORCEMENT, UH, ENGAGEMENT OR JUST CONTACT CAMERAS SHOULD BE ACTIVE. UH, THE, THE GENERAL RESPONSE TO THAT IS, YES, MY CAMERA IS ACTIVE, MANY PEOPLE ARE RECORDING OFFICERS, AND THE OFFICER WILL RESPOND, UH, IN KIND SAYING, HEY, I'M RECORDING TOO. UM, SO, SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF A, A, IT PROTECTS THE OFFICER AS MUCH AS IT PROTECTS THE PUBLIC. UH, IT'S A TOOL INTENDED TO REALLY PROVIDE, UH, TRANSPARENCY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THERE DOESN'T CAPTURE EVERYTHING. UH, THE CAMERA POINTS THIS WAY, OUR HEADS MOVE ON A SWIVEL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CAPTURED BY THE CAMERA, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, THE BEST TOOL THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. YEAH. UH, SWITCHING GEARS REALLY QUICK. YOU USED THE TERM SUSTAINED FINDINGS A FEW TIMES. COULD YOU GIVE US A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT, LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUSTAINED FINDINGS VERSUS A ALLEGATION OR AN INVESTIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THAT TERM MEANS? I'M GONNA LEAN ON MY PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS LIEUTENANT FOR THAT GOOD IDEA. . YEAH. SO IT, UH, IT REFERS TO ONE OF THE FOUR DIS DISPOSITIONS THAT A, UH, COMPLAINT CAN CONCLUDE IN. UM, SO IT'S EITHER UNFOUNDED, MEANING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, EXONERATED MEANING, MEANING THE ALLEGATION OCCURRED, BUT IT WAS WITHIN POLICY AND SUSTAINED WOULD MEAN THAT IT WAS IN FACT A POLICY VIOLATION, AND THEN IT OCCURRED IN A MANNER IN WHICH THE COMPLAINT WAS MADE. SO A SUSTAINED FINDING IS, IS A COMPLAINT THAT'S ALLEGED AGAINST AN OFFICER AND FOUND IT WAS IN FACT RIGHT, TRUE. THE WAY IT WAS ALLEGED. SO IF, SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE A SUSTAINED FINDING MEANS THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN TO BE TRUE. IT'S NOT ALLEGED. CORRECT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO USE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE IN ORDER TO CONFIRM OR PROVE AN INCIDENT IF YOU COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO IT UNTIL AFTER THE SUSTAINED FINDING HAD BEEN. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE, SO IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE THE PUBLIC AND YOU WERE MAKING A, AN ACCUSATION A COMPLAINT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE COULDN'T BE SOMETHING YOU COULD USE TO CORROBORATE THAT. YOU'D HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO CORROBORATE IT AND PROVE THE INCIDENT BEFORE YOU COULD GET ACCESS TO THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YES. YES. THE, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA WOULD NOT BE RELEASED TO THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING THE COMPLAINT. HOWEVER, THE, THE BODY WORN CAMERA WOULD BE REVIEWED IN ITS ENTIRETY DURING THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. SO THE COMPLAINT WOULD BE RECEIVED DURING THAT INVESTIGATION THAT BWC, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO WOULD BE REVIEWED AND EVALUATED. IF AT, AT, DURING THE COURSE OF THAT INVESTIGATION, THE FINDINGS WERE SUSTAINED, THAT MISCONDUCT DID OCCUR. UH, IF IT WAS ONE OF THOSE ENUMERATED, UH, AREAS, THEN THAT WOULD BECOME PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. SO THERE, THERE'S A PROCESS AND, AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO EVERYTHING AND WE CAN, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITHIN THE LAW TO MAINTAIN THAT TRANSPARENCY. UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO CERTAIN PERSONNEL RULES. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, IF THE COMPLAINT IS MADE, THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR WILL LOOK AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND CAN CORROBORATE OR, OR FIND UNFOUNDED THAT COMPLAINT BASED ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. AND ONLY IF IT'S THEN SUSTAINED, WOULD IT THEN BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC? AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY? [00:25:01] CORRECT. WITH ONE, ONE MINOR CORRECTION, THE, UM, PERSON CONDUCTING THE INVESTIGATION IS TYPICALLY NOT THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR. THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR WOULD REVIEW THE INVESTIGATION UPON ITS COMPLETION TO, UM, AND A**L, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DETERMINE IF THE, THE INVESTIGATION WAS DONE PROPERLY. UM, BUT MOST INVESTIGATIONS ARE HANDLED THROUGH THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION AND OR OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL. WELL, AND I, AND I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. SO I, I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF ANY COMPLAINT WE'RE REVIEWING AND THE POLICE AUDITOR IS REVIEWING ALL BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION AS THE LIEUTENANT SPOKE TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THERE'S AN INTERACTION WITH A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT OUR POLICY IS THAT YOU ARE, ARE ACTIVATING AND UTILIZING YOUR, YOUR BODY-WORN CAMERA DURING THOSE INTERACTIONS. AND I WOULD SAY WHAT'S EVOLVED DURING OUR CAREERS FOR, FOR THE MEMBER OF MY COMMAND STAFF HERE IS WHEN, WHEN WE ENTERED THE PROFESSION, THERE, THERE WEREN'T BODY-WORN CAMERAS. WE HAD POCKET AUDIO RECORDERS. AND SO WE'VE SEEN THE EVOLUTION OF THE TECHNOLOGY, UM, ADAPT AND EVOLVE. AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT, UM, THROUGH THAT EVOLUTION, I THINK IT'S GROWN AND WE'VE SEEN MUCH MORE SO NOW THAT POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE PROFESSION AND ENTERING THE PROFESSION, UH, THEY UTILIZE IT WELL BEYOND, UM, WHAT IS REALLY THE POLICY. AND, AND TO SOME DEGREE, I THINK THEY ARE UTILIZING IT MUCH MORE, UM, THAN IS NECESSARY. THEY'RE TURNING IT ON IN CIRCUMSTANCES BEFORE THEY'RE GETTING TO CALLS AND IN ADVANCE OF CALLS. AND, UH, WE WERE FINDING THAT RECENTLY THEY WERE, UM, TRANSPORTING, UH, UM, INDIVIDUALS TO JAIL, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A CAR CAMERA IN, IN THE CAR. AND ABOUT, UM, INCIDENTS AND INTERACTIONS HAPPENING IN, IN, IN, UH, THE CAR, AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WHERE INDIVIDUALS WILL MAKE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT, UM, THE OFFICER OR SOMETHING OCCURRING WHILE THAT TRANSPORTATION, UM, OCCURRED. AND SO OFFICERS WERE KEEPING THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATED FOR THE DURATION OF THAT DRIVE FOR 40 MINUTES, WHERE THEY'RE JUST DRIVING IN THE CAR. UM, AND THAT WASN'T REQUIRED IN OUR POLICY. AND SO THEY WERE DOING THOSE THINGS. AND SO THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND KEEPING, UM, THAT CAMERA ROLLING FOR, UM, UH, AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, THAT I THINK IS REALLY MODELING SOME BEST PRACTICES. AND SO, AGAIN, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY MISCONDUCT, OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION THAT'S LED BY LIEUTENANT AVIANO RECEIVES THAT COMPLAINT INITIALLY. UM, THAT COMPLAINT IS SHARED IMMEDIATELY WITH OUR, OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR. THE FIRST THING THAT ALL OF OUR TEAMS LOOK AT IS BODY-WORN CAMERA. UM, AND THE FIRST COMPLIANCE CHECK IS CONFIRMING THAT THERE IS BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND THEN WE'RE REVIEWING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ALL THE COMPLIANCE AND LOOKING AT THAT ALLEGATION OF WHETHER THERE IS POLICY ADHERENCE OR IF THERE IS ANY MISCONDUCT. UM, AND SO THERE'S, UH, DUPLICATION OF THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES BOTH OUR INTERNAL, UH, MEASURES ON, ON US HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, AS WELL AS VALIDATION AND, AND, UM, AUDITING OF US DOING OUR JOB FROM THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS REVIEW. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITORS DOING IS, IS CONFIRMING THOSE THINGS, BUT INDEPENDENTLY OF THAT, RATHER THAN COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEELING OBLIGATED THAT THEY NECESSARILY MAY NEED TO DO THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. WE HOPE THAT IF THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT COMPLAINT REPORT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT COMPLAINT DIRECTLY TO THE POLICE AUDITOR, AND THE POLICE AUDITOR CAN RECEIVE THAT COMPLAINT, UM, INDEPENDENT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND ASSIST THEM AND, AND, UM, THAT, AND THEY CAN BE REVIEWING AND, AND REPORTING BACK TO THEM, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY MEMBER. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN HELP, UM, QUELL SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. AND THE POLICE AUDITOR IS ABSOLUTELY REVIEWING, UM, AND HAS FULL ACCESS OF THAT, THAT BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. DOES THAT HELP KIND OF ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? THANK YOU. SO I GUESS, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT DOES REALLY HELP ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. UM, SORT OF DOVETAILING OFF OF THAT THOUGH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ACTIVATION SEEMS LIKE A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT JUST MAY HAPPEN LATE. LIKE IS THERE A METRIC OR SOMETHING THAT GETS TRACKED ABOUT SORT OF LATE ACTIVATIONS OR INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC THAT MAYBE HAPPENED OUTSIDE THE BUFFER ZONE? SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF METRIC TO SAY, OH, HERE'S HOW MANY TIMES THE ACTIVATION HAPPENED LATE, OR HERE'S HOW MANY TIMES WE'RE TRACKING WHERE THERE WAS INTERACTIONS THAT HAPPENED OUTSIDE THE BUFFER ZONE AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CAPTURED IN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. YEAH. SO, UM, WE LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS THAT WE CONDUCT, AND IN THE CHART THAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE, UH, IPA, UM, [00:30:01] WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE, IT'S A 360 DEGREE REVIEW, WHICH INCLUDES THE BODY WORN, BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY. UM, SO IF AN OFFICER WAS TO NOT ACTIVATE HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA ON TIME, WHICH WE WILL DEEM A LATE ACTIVATION OR NOT ACTIVATE IT, UM, THAT'S A POLICY VIOLATION THAT WE, HE WOULD DEAL WITH, UM, THROUGH, UH, PROGRESSIVE REMEDIATION. UM, SO THE SUPERVISOR'S GONNA BE SPEAKING TO 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A NOTE IN THEIR FILE, AND IF IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN, UH, WE'LL TAKE OTHER MEASURES TO CORRECT THAT BEHAVIOR. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE BUFFER. IS THERE A REASON, LIKE WHY 30 SECONDS BEFORE, LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXTENDED TO BE A LONGER BUFFER BEFORE, AND IS THERE A BUFFER AFTER THEY TURN IT OFF AS WELL? AND IS THAT ALSO 30 SECONDS, OR IS THAT ALSO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, IS THAT A SETTING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, UM, CONTROL ON THE CAMERA? YEAH, SO THERE'S, UM, AXON DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND THE BUFFER PERIOD. UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW LONG. UM, THERE IS NO BUFFER AT THE END, AND I THINK IT'S A BALANCE OF PRESERVING THE BATTERY OF THE CAMERA, UM, BECAUSE WE OFFICERS WORK 11 HOUR SHIFTS, UM, AND IT'S A STRUGGLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAMERA LASTS FOR THAT, THAT 11 HOURS. SO I THINK IF WE INCREASE THE BUFFER, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE BATTERY LIFE, UH, DIMINISH THROUGHOUT THAT SHIFT, AND IT MAY NOT RECORD THINGS AT THE END OF THE, THE SHIFT. AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE 30 SECONDS IS CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES FOR THE BWC BUFFERING INDUSTRY STANDARD. IS THE STORAGE UNLIMITED FOR THE FOOTAGE? I KNOW SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COSTLY TO STORE IT, SO IS IT UNLIMITED? YEAH, SO OUR, OUR CONTRACT, UH, THROUGH EVIDENCE.COM, UM, OUR, OUR CAMERAS ARE AXON CAMERAS. UH, WE HAVE UNLIMITED STORAGE IN OUR CLOUD. UM, THAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR, OUR TERMS. OKAY. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A SCENARIO WHERE OFFICERS START JUST RECORDING EVERYTHING, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE A 40 MINUTE DRIVE IN SILENCE, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKING UP SO MUCH STORAGE THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, ONLY ACTIVATE IT WHEN YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S SO COSTLY. THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT A THING. NO, THE STORAGE IS INCLUDED IN OUR, WE PAY PER CAMERA, PER OFFICER PER MONTH. UM, AND THAT'S INCLUSIVE IN THE CONTRACT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, I RANDOMLY DID MY UNDERGRADUATE YEAR-LONG THESIS ON BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND POLICE USE OF THEM. UM, A QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED WHEN I SPOKE WITH OFFICERS IS YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE, YOU WALK INTO THE STATION, YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM, YOU REALIZE YOUR CAMERA'S ON WHAT'S HELUM WITH POLICY ON DELET. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE OFFICERS CANNOT DELETE FOOTAGE. HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, I NEED THIS DELETED BECAUSE X, Y, Z REASON, AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A VALID REASON? SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO GET THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE SOMETHING IS RECORDED THAT, UH, IS PRIVATE OR DOESN'T, SHOULDN'T BE RECORDED. UM, IF IT'S, UH, AN OFFICER USING THE RESTROOM AND THE BWC CAPTURES THAT, THEN THAT IS REPORTED TO, UM, THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORD. AND THERE ARE VERY FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELETE, UM, BWC, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENT. UM, WITH THAT SAID THAT, THAT'S A RARE CIRCUMSTANCE. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PRIVATE, WE CAN REDACT, UM, AND SAVE IT AS A DIFFERENT FILE. SO REDACT THE VIDEO AND AUDIO AND STILL PRESERVE WHATEVER EVIDENCE WAS CAPTURED FOR THE INCIDENT. SO THERE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT WE USE, BUT THE, THAT'S, THERE'S A AUDIT TRAIL, UM, AND VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THAT ARE NOT SWORN OFFICERS, THEY'RE THEY'RE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, CORRECT. IT'S THE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORD, SO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I'M JUST, NOW THAT I'M SEEING THE CAMERAS AND WHERE THEY ARE ON YOU, HOW DOES THE CAMERA WORK? IS IT, DOES IT GO UP, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE STARTING HERE, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING PHOTOS AND CAMERAS AND VIDEOS, YOU WOULD DO IT AT EYE LEVEL AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE LIKE 10 INCHES, 10 INCHES BELOW. LIKE, IS THERE, IS THERE A SPECIAL TECHNOLOGY THAT'S ABLE TO CAPTURE LIKE IT DIFFERENTLY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE, THE CAMERAS GENERALLY, WE, WE BASICALLY, THE, OUR POLICY IDENTIFIES WHERE UNIFORM STAFF SHOULD CARRY THEIR CAMERAS. AND OF COURSE, WE, WE COME IN DIFFERENT SIZES, SO THE CAMERA WILL, WILL BE AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS DEPENDING ON THE OFFICER. UM, AND IT'S REALLY, IT, I'M NOT SURE AS TO THE TECHNOLOGY, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO IT, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST STANDARD CAMERA TECHNOLOGY. IT, IT'S, UH, IT IS, UM, GOOD VIDEO. UH, BUT A LOT OF OUR VIDEO, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY EYE LEVEL. UH, IT MAY BE CAPTURED, IT MAY BE EYE LEVEL IF THE PERSON WE'RE CONTACTING IS IN A VEHICLE, THEN THAT, THAT THE CAMERA MAY BE AT EYE LEVEL IF THEY'RE SITTING DOWN, UH, IF BOTH PEOPLE OR OFFICER AND PERSON ARE SITTING [00:35:01] DOWN. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT IS NOT, UM, A LEVEL, UM, IMAGE THAT WE'RE GETTING. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, RIGHT? SOME OF THE REVIEW ISSUES THAT WE ENCOUNTER ARE IMPERFECT, RIGHT? UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA IS A TOOL, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES. AND SOME OF THE EARLY ISSUES THAT WE IDENTIFIED ARE SOMETIMES THE CAMERA, UM, QUALITY IS BETTER THAN, FRANKLY, I WEAR GLASSES BECAUSE MY EYES ARE NOT 4K, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE NIGHT VISION. AND THESE CAMERAS CAN HAVE BETTER OPTICS AND CAPABILITIES THAN FRANKLY WE DO. UM, SO WE SET OUR CAMERAS TO HAVE, UM, REAL CAPABILITIES THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH HUMAN EYESIGHT. UM, AND THE FIELD OF VIEW IS GENERALLY SET UP TO BE A NORMAL FIELD OF VIEW. UM, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO A FOOT PURSUIT, UM, YOU WILL SEE FROM THAT VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT THE, UM, IMAGERY IS YOU'RE SEEING SOMEONE RUNNING AND IT'S SHAKING EVERYWHERE. UM, THESE CAMERAS ARE HELD ON BY A PRETTY STRONG MAGNET, BUT IN AN ALTERCATION, THEY CAN GET KNOCKED OFF. OR YOU'LL SEE AN OFFICER MAY HAVE TO TACKLE A SUSPECT AND THEY'RE NOW LAYING ON SOMEONE, OR THEY'RE HAS SOMEONE LAYING ON TOP OF THEM. AND SO THE CAMERA VIEW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CAMERA'S RIGHT HERE AND THE CAMERA VIEW IS NOW OBSTRUCTED. AND SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS CAPTURE, UM, THE WHAT'S OCCURRING, RIGHT? OR, UM, YOU MAY TURN YOUR HEAD, BUT THE CAMERA, YOU'RE STILL, YOUR BODY'S POSITIONED FACING THIS WAY. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AUDIO RECORDING THAT WE HAD. WHAT WE ALSO DO HAVE IS THE ABILITY, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OFFICERS. SO WE, WE ARE REVIEWING AN INCIDENT OR OUR AUDITORS REVIEWING AN INCIDENT. WE HAVE IN OUR, UM, SYSTEM SOMETHING CALLED MULT MULTIVIEW. AND SO THE SYSTEM ALLOWS US TO, UH, SYNCHRONIZE MULTIPLE CAMERAS BASED ON DATE AND TIME, AND WE CAN PLAY THOSE, UM, CAMERAS AT, AT THE SAME SEQUENCE AND SEE THOSE DIFFERENT FIELD OF VIEWS, UM, AS THEY'RE ACTIVELY OCCURRING. AND SO YOU GET KIND OF A BETTER CONCEPT OF WHAT'S OCCURRING FOR THAT INCIDENT IN REAL TIME, UM, FROM THOSE MULTIPLE PANES OF, OF, OF VIEW TO, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FULL SCOPE OF, OF THE INCIDENT FROM EACH OFFICER'S STANDPOINT. UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S STILL THOSE GAPS. THERE'S STILL THOSE DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS AND AS THE LIEUTENANT MENTIONED, UM, DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND, AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, GAPS THERE AT TIMES. SO WE DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN. UM, DID I HEAR THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD KIND OF MANIPULATE THEM THE CAMERA TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE HUMAN SCALE? IS THERE A STANDARDIZED, LIKE SETTINGS OR IS IT, IS IT LIKE, CAN INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS SAY, WELL, THIS WOULD HELP ME MORE? NO, NO. SO WHEN WE PURCHASE THE CAMERA AND THE INITIAL, UH, UH, SETUP, WE HAVE ONE ORGANIZATIONAL SETUP, AND THEY BASICALLY ASK YOU, UM, WHAT IS, AND, AND LIEUTENANT AVIANO, I BELIEVE WAS PART OF THAT PROCESS WHEN WE ONBOARDED THESE CAMERAS. BUT THE, THIS IS THE CAMERA TECHNOLOGY, THIS IS THE QUALITY OF THE CAMERA. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO HAVE, UM, THIS CAPABILITY AT NIGHTTIME? AND SO, UM, IT CAN HAVE, UM, CAMERA CAPABILITIES THAT ARE FAR EXCEEDING AN, UH, A HUMAN'S CAPABILITY IN A LOW LIGHT SITUATION. AND SO WE HAVE IT SET TO BE WHAT A INDIVIDUAL PERSON, UM, CAPABILITIES ARE. THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE REPRESENTATIVE IS BEYOND AN INDIVIDUAL'S CAPABILITIES. SO IT'S MISREPRESENTING WHAT YOU OR I WOULD BE SEEING IN ANY SITUATION. UM, WE DON'T WANT THAT MISREPRESENTATION, AND MY STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'VE, I'VE MISSTATED ANY OF THOSE POINTS. I, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S MISSTATED. I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT VIDEO CAMERA EVIDENCE, UM, THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS DON'T HAVE THERMAL IMAGING. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE HEAT SIGNATURES BEHIND A WALL. UM, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA IS NOT GONNA BE THE HIGHEST DEFINITION ON YOUR MULTI-THOUSAND DOLLAR TELEVISION. UM, THE BWC IS GONNA BE STILL VERY HIGH RESOLUTION, SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, A PHONE. UM, THE HIGHER THE RESOLUTION OF THE VIDEO, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT LIEUTENANT AVIANO WAS SAYING, THE, THE SHORTER LIFESPAN OF THAT BATTERY. SO WE'VE REALLY DONE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON HOW DO WE PRESERVE THE BATTERY TO LAST THE ENTIRE SHIFT FOR THAT PARTICULAR [00:40:01] OFFICER, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE VIDEO. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITIES TO ENHANCE THAT, OR WE DON'T HAVE THING, ANYTHING ON IT THAT ENHANCES THAT BEYOND WHAT OUR NORMAL, UM, VISION WOULD BE. UM, NOW WITH THAT, IT'S NOT GRANULAR. IT'S GOOD VIDEO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN NOW, THAT'S ACTUAL FOOTAGE FROM A VWC, UM, MOUNTED ON THE CHEST OF AN OFFICER. SO YOU HAVE KIND OF A PANORAMIC VIEW OF THE, OF WHAT THEIR FIELD DIVISION WOULD BE. UM, YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEIR FACE ARE BLURRED, WHICH IS ALSO SHOWING HOW WE REDACT, WE REDACT FACES SO THAT THEY DON'T BECOME IDENTIFIED LATER. UM, BUT YOU WILL SEE OFFICER'S HANDS, YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WEAPONS DRAWN OR, OR DISPLAYED. UH, YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR VERBAL COMMANDS. WAS THE OFFICER PROFESSIONAL, UM, DID THEIR CONDUCT ESCALATE OR DEESCALATE THE SITUATION? AND WE USE BWC FOOTAGE FOR A VARIETY OF, OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, RIGHT? IDENTIFYING HOW OUR STAFF IS PERFORMING OUT IN THE FIELD. IS THERE AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE? UM, BUT GOING BACK TO, TO HOW THE, THE BWS ARE CONFIGURED, WE CONFIGURE OURS, UM, IN ALIGN WITH BEST PRACTICES FOR THE INDUSTRY. AND IT'S REALLY THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF HOW DO WE UTILIZE TECHNOLOGY AND ENSURE THAT, THAT IT'S AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE SHIFT. UM, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION TO A HIGHER SETTING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE OFFICERS HAVING TO DOWN THEIR CAMERAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SHIFT, AND THEN IF A CRITICAL INCIDENT HAPPENS, IT'S CHARGING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT THEY WOULD, WOULDN'T HAVE THEIR REQUIRED EQUIPMENT. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TIMESTAMPED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, BUT I CAN'T MAKE OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE THE DATE OF THE OFFICER. I CAN'T MAKE OUT ALL THE WHAT, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP. YEAH. SO THE, UH, ALL OF OUR RBWC FOOTAGE HAS, UM, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S HAS THE OFFICER'S INFORMATION OF WHERE IT WAS RECORDED. UM, THERE'S GPS ENABLED, SO IT'LL SHOW A GEOLOCATION, UM, ON THE SIDE OF WHERE THE VIDEO IS PLAYING. UM, BUT IT'LL HAVE DATE TIME. UM, AND THAT REALLY HELPS US SYNC THE VIDEO TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE OFFICERS THAT ARE ON, INVOLVED IN A SCENE, UM, THE TIMES WILL, WILL COLLATE. AND THAT'S ALL CONTROLLED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SYSTEM CONFIGURATION TO EDIT OR ALTER TIME. THAT'S ALL DONE THROUGH EVIDENCE.COM. AND IT MAINTAINS THAT THAT CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND THE SECURITY OF THE VIDEO. SO WHEN YOU, IF AN INCIDENT, UM, ACTUALLY GOES TO A CRIMINAL TRIAL TRIAL, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO USE THIS, OR THE PROSECUTION'S GONNA USE IT FOR EVIDENCE AGAINST THE SUSPECT, OR I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. BUT SO THAT GIVES THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY NEED TO PROSECUTE, CORRECT. YEAH. IT, IT VALIDATES THAT THAT EVIDENCE IS FROM THAT DATE AND TIME, UM, THAT OFFICER AND IT, AND IT BASICALLY, UM, IT'S A VERIFICATION PROCESS SO THAT THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IN COURT IS TRUE AND CORRECT FOR THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED. SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR ANYBODY TO TAMPER WITH IT OR HACK INTO THE SYSTEM. SO THERE'S NO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE GETTING INTO THE CLOUD AND MANIPULATING THE PHOTOGRAPH AND THE, THE STAMP. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY INCIDENT WHERE, UH, EVIDENCE.COM WAS HACKED INTO. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CAPABILITIES OF EDITING THE DIGITAL FOOTPRINT ON THE VIDEOS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, AND I TOTALLY GET IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A BIT OF A PUSH AND PULL BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET AS MUCH SORT OF OFFICER SAFETY AND PUBLIC SAFETY OUT OF THESE CAMERAS, BUT ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE BATTERY LIFE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LENGTH OF THE SHIFT. HAS THERE BEEN AN INVESTIGATION INTO, ARE THERE CAMERAS OUT THERE THAT HAVE A, A LONGER BATTERY LIFE AND WOULD ALLOW US TO MAYBE EXTEND THE BUFFER TIME A LITTLE BIT LONGER? OR HAS THERE BEEN A, A BIT OF A STUDY ON, HEY, WE'RE GONNA EXTEND YOUR BUFFER TIME BY ONE MINUTE, LET'S SEE WHERE YOU RUN OUT ON YOUR SHIFT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN SORT OF KNOW WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE CERTAINTY THAT WE'RE GETTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN OUTTA THESE BATTERIES IN TERMS OF, OF HOW MUCH BUFFER FOOTAGE, FOOTAGE WE'RE KEEPING? YEAH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE EV EVALUATED NUMEROUS CAMERAS. AXON WAS NOT THE FIRST BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT WE HAD FOR THE PETLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, AXON DEFINITELY IS THE INDUSTRY LEADER CURRENTLY. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SONOMA COUNTY AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, UH, THE AGENCIES TYPICALLY ALL TEND TO BE ON AXON BECAUSE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE. AND WE, THE WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, SHARE EVIDENCE DURING A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING MAKES IT IT SEAMLESS VERSUS IF YOU'RE DOWNLOADING IT ON A THUMB DRIVE AND TRYING TO PRO, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE EVIDENCE AND MAKING SURE THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO THAT EVIDENCE. UM, [00:45:01] AXON IS REALLY THAT ECOSYSTEM THAT WE, WE UTILIZE, UH, EVERY MODEL OF THE CAMERA IS BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS EDITION. SO WE'RE ON AXON VERSION FOUR, WHICH IS THE CURRENT HIGHEST LEVEL IN TERMS OF THE AXON CAMERAS. WHEN AXON COMES OUT WITH, UH, VERSION FIVE, IT'S IN OUR CONTRACT THAT WE WILL BE FURNISHED. THEY'LL, THEY'LL BASICALLY TAKE OUR AXON FOURS, GIVE US AXON FIVES, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE OUR CAPABILITIES AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MANUFACTURER, UM, ENHANCES THE OVERALL CAPABILITIES OF THE CAMERA SYSTEM. UM, SO I, I ENVISION AT SOME POINT THE BATTERY LIFE WILL BE EXTENDED. UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE OPERATING ON THE BEST SYSTEM THAT THAT IS MADE BATTERY BACKUPS. IF SOMEBODY'S RUNNING LOW, CAN THEY GO BACK TO THE STATION AND, AND REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER CAMERA. SO THE, THE CAMERAS ARE ALL ASSIGNED TO THE OFFICER. AND WHEN THAT OFFICER DOCKS THE CAMERA AT THE END OF THEIR SHIFT, UM, IT'S TAGGED WITH ALL OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THEY WERE ON. SO IT'S AUTO TAGGED. SO IT LINKS UP TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CASES THEY TOOK, WHAT TRAFFIC CITATIONS THEY WROTE, UM, WHAT VEHICLE, UH, TRAFFIC STOPS THEY MADE, UM, IF THEY CONTACTED ANYBODY AND ACTIVATED THEIR CAMERA. SO IT AUTOMATICALLY LINKS TO THE CAD EVENT. UM, SO IF AN OFFICER TAKES ANOTHER OFFICER'S BWC, IT WILL NOT AUTO TAG TO THOSE INCIDENTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO CAD RECORD OF IT. SO THERE IS A WAY, AND THERE IT HAPPENS BECAUSE, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. UM, MCGOWAN AND MILLER ARE CLOSE. SO IF YOU GRAB A CAMERA THAT STARTS WITH M THERE IS A A CHANCE THAT I COULD GRAB ANOTHER OFFICER'S CAMERA. UH, IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORD CAN GO IN AND CHANGE THOSE, UM, VIDEOS TO THE OFFICER THAT RECORDED THEM. BUT THAT'S A MANUAL PROCESS. UM, SO WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO MAKE SURE YOU TAKE YOUR OWN CAMERA AND AN EMERGENCY. WE WOULD TAKE ANY CAMERA THAT HAD, UM, AVAILABLE BATTERY AND THEN WE WOULD WORK ON IT ON THE BACKEND. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CHARGE? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A FEW HOURS. AND I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH DATA IS BEING PULLED OFF OF THE CAMERA. 'CAUSE IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, PLUGGED IN AND THEN IT'S, IT'S DOWNLOADING AND CHARGING AT THE SAME TIME. IS IT PLUGGED IN LIKE A PICK RADIO, LIKE YOUR RADIOS? IT'S PLUGGED IN MORE LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE, BUT IT'S IN A DOCKING STATION. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO CHARGE IT WITHOUT DOWNLOADING THE DATA. THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY, HEY, I'M NOT DONE WITH THE CAMERA FOR THE DAY, I JUST WANT TO CHARGE IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DOWNLOAD THE DATA. YOU COULD IF THERE WAS AN EXTERNAL CHARGING DEVICE. UM, BUT THE WAY THAT THE DOCKS WORK IS IT'S LOOKING FOR ANY SYSTEM UPGRADES. IT'S LOOKING FOR ALL OF THE, THE DATA BACKUP. SO DOWNLOADING THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE PROCESSES HAND GOING ON. WHEN YOU DOCK THE CAMERA, DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE EXTERNAL CHARGING DEVICES OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AXIOM CAN PROVIDE? ARE THOSE EXPENSIVE TO, UH, WE DON'T THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN OUR PRACTICE. UM, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS IF I'M CHARGING MY CAMERA AND I RUN OUT TO THE SCENE, I TEND TO LEAVE MY CAMERA BEHIND. SO STRESS INOCULATION BEING RESPONSE READY, THAT CAMERA NEEDS TO BE ON THAT, ON THAT BODY OR ON THAT PERSON. SO THERE, THERE ISN'T A SYSTEM WHERE I WOULD PLUG IT IN WHILE I'M WEARING IT. I WOULD NEED TO TAKE IT OFF. AND THE, THE CHANCE OF LEAVING IT BEHIND IS, I WOULD SAY, GREATER THAN IT RUNNING OUTTA BATTERIES CAN ACCIDENT AC AXON, THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT, THE COMPANY, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONTENTS AT ALL, AND THEY CANNOT. OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST, I REMEMBER STARTING TO REALIZE, OH, I'VE HEARD OF THEM AND YEAH, THEY'RE ANOTHER ICE COMPANY, SO, BUT THAT'S GOOD. IF THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY ACCESS. GREAT. . OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF THEM. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE PUBLIC FOR YOU. . AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO, UM, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY. UH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. AND WE HAVE ONE. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO IN-PERSON COMMENTS. [00:50:03] OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CLERK TO READ PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY OR GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING, A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL CALL IN-PERSON PUBLIC SPEAKERS IN TURN UNTIL ALL HAVE SPOKEN THAT WISH TO. WE'RE GONNA DO THREE MINUTES, UH, PER PUBLIC COMMENT. FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT IS CHANTELLE ROGERS. HELLO AGAIN. UM, JUST HOPING FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES. UM, ONE HAS TO DO AGAIN WITH WHEN OFFICERS DO NOT TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON BECAUSE, UM, WELL, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY LOCAL ISSUES. THAT'S OFTEN WHAT WE SEE NATIONALLY WHERE THE, UH, PROBLEMS OCCUR WHEN OFFICERS, UM, HAVE INTENSE INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC AND DIDN'T TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON. SO, UM, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, WAS, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF DISCIPLINE FOR AN OFFICER BETWEEN, UM, A MILD INTERACTION, SAY, YOU KNOW, A A CITIZEN WHOSE CAR WAS STOLEN AND AN INTERACTION WHERE THERE TURNS OUT TO BE SOME KIND OF ALTERCATION BETWEEN THE CITIZEN AND THE OFFICER THAT DOES NOT GET RECORDED. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHEN, UM, WHEN A SUPERVISOR SPEAKS TO AN OFFICER WHERE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES, UM, CAN THAT HAPPEN WITH A PARTICULAR OFFICER BEFORE THERE'S SOME ACTUAL VERIFIABLE DISCIPLINE THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A, UM, UM, A RECURRING THEME WITH A, WITH A PARTICULAR OFFICER. UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WAS, UH, BODY CAMERAS USE WHEN YOU GO TO INCIDENTS THAT ARE PRIMARILY, UM, OTHER, UM, ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. SO SAY YOU GET CALLED OUT TO AN INCIDENT THAT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF, UM, UH, BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND YOU MIGHT BE THERE MOSTLY FOR, YOU KNOW, CROWD CONTROL OR JUST IN CASE, UM, BUT NOT ACTIVELY, UM, INVOLVED WITH THAT OR SAY AN ICE INCIDENT. UM, ARE OFFICERS REQUIRED TO TURN ON THEIR BODY CAMERAS SO THAT, UH, THEY HAVE A RECORD OF WHAT THEY'VE SEEN AT, UM, AT INCIDENTS THAT INVOLVE OTHER AGENCIES? SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES. OKAY. NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT IS MICHAEL NER. THANK YOU. I'M MICHAEL NESTLER, A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF PETALUMA. I'M MOST INTERESTED IN THE LAST PART OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. AND THE AXIOM FOUR, UM, IT DOES HAVE UP TO 12 HOURS OF BATTERY. THERE IS A PRO VERSION THAT IS OUTRIGHT, IT'S PROBABLY BEYOND OUR CONTRACT, BUT IT GOES UP TO 14 HOURS OF BATTERY LIFE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY A BIG PART OF THAT IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RESOLUTION? YOU CAN HAVE IT RECORDED AS WAS MENTIONED, DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS, AND I THOUGHT WAS MOST INTERESTING, I DUNNO IF Y'ALL CAUGHT THAT, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW 68,000 RECORDINGS IN A YEAR. THINK ABOUT THAT. 68,000. SO THAT MEANS IF, UH, AN OFFICER 365 DAYS A YEAR, IT'S LIKE THEY RECORDED MORE THAN ONCE A DAY, DIDN'T THEY? AND NOT EVERY OFFICER IS ON DUTY RECORDING. SO, UM, UM, WITH CHIEF BRIAN HAD SAID THERE, I THOUGHT, REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RECORDINGS IN A COURSE OF A DAY. SO WHERE THEY SAY UP TO 12 HOURS OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE PRO VERSION, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH RECORDING IS BEING DONE. SO LET'S SAY AN OFFICER RECORDS SIX, EIGHT, SOMETIMES 10 TIMES A DAY, WHICH SHOULD PROBABLY BE HIGH, BUT NONETHELESS IS GONNA USE MORE BATTERY CONSUMPTION FOR THOSE CAMERAS. SO JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE THE LATEST OF CAMERAS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING A PRO VERSION WOULD CHANGE, BUT I I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT'S DOING HERE IN TOWN, WHICH IS TO RECORD MORE RATHER THAN LESS AT THE EXPENSE OF SAVING BATTERIES. THANK YOU. [00:55:10] NEXT UP IS NINA GITO. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT IT, IT HAS BEARING FOR ME BECAUSE, UM, I'VE, I'VE DEALT WITH HOLDING ONTO AND STORING AND SORTING AND MAKING SENSE OF VAST REAMS OF DATA. MY QUESTION, OR MY, MY OBSERVATION OR WHAT I'D LIKE TO, UM, EXCUSE ME, IF, UH, IF THERE IS IN FACT A DEFINED POLICY AS TO WHEN THESE TOOLS ARE ACTIVATED, IT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL ULTIMATELY THAN TO HAVE THEM ON PERPETUAL RECORD. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIOS KIND OF UNFAVORABLE. IT'S TRUE. ALL HELL CAN BREAK LOOSE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHY COLLECT ALL THIS STUFF SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING AND GET THE LATEST GREATEST, YOU KNOW, BATTERY? NO, COME ON. WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, NO, WE CAN DO BETTER. RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UH, BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA, I AT LEAST WANNA OFFER FOR THE, UH, CITY STAFF AND POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF THERE WERE ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO? YEAH, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS, UH, A COUPLE OF THEM. I WANT TO START, WE JUST AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, JUST SO WE DON'T CREATE NECESSARILY A PRECEDENT THAT NORMALLY THE PRACTICE ISN'T TO, TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. BUT, UM, I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM MS. ROGERS, UM, JUST FOR CONTEXT OR KIND OF ON POINT FOR THE, THE, THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, AND I'LL, I'LL LET, UM, PROBABLY LIEUTENANT AVIANO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE OR MAYBE EVEN OUR, OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR SPEAK A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UM, OUR, OUR POLICY IS, IS PRETTY CLEAR, UM, AND SPECIFIC TO OUR USE, WHEN, WHEN OUR OFFICERS ARE HANDLING CALLS FOR SERVICE OR WE'RE RESPONDING INTO A MUTUAL AID OR OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION, OUR POLICY COVERS OUR STAFF AND, UH, OUR POLICY STILL APPLIES TO THEM. SO, UM, IF WE'RE ASSISTING A FEDERAL PARTNER, IF WE'RE ASSISTING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, OUR, OUR POLICIES STILL GOVERN OUR STAFF'S USE AND STILL APPLIES. SO WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE ACTIVATING THEIR CAMERAS, UM, AND USING THEM ACCORDINGLY. AND SO, UH, IT'S STILL, IS STILL IN EFFECT. AND SO, UM, IF THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CALLED TO A, A, A CALL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE HAD HERE WHERE, OR WHERE YOUR, YOUR, UM, SCENARIO WAS, UM, UM, HOMELAND SECURITY IS IN TOWN AND THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'RE HERE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND WE'RE TO GO OUT THERE AND VALIDATE IF THEY'RE AWFULLY DOING AN OPERATION, WE WOULD HAVE OUR CAMERAS ABSOLUTELY ON, IN, IN THAT SITUATION. AND, UH, WE WOULD NOT BE ASSISTING AND WE'D BE MAKING SURE WE'RE STAYING COMPLIANT WITH, UH, UH, WITH SB FOUR. UM, IF WE'RE ASSISTING OR, OR, UM, HELPING CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL WITH THE DUI INVESTIGATION, OUR OFFICERS WOULD HAVE THEIR CAMERAS ON JUST LIKE WE WOULD BE DOING IF WE WERE DOING A DUI INVESTIGATION IN TOWN. UM, SO THOSE THINGS ARE PRETTY SYNONYMOUS FOR US IN TERMS OF, OF DISCIPLINE. UM, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, LIKE THE LIEUTENANT SAID, TRACKING, UM, IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE AN OFFICER HAS A, A BUFFERING ISSUE OR, UM, UH, DOESN'T ACTIVATE, UM, THOSE THINGS ARE PRETTY INFREQUENT, BUT WE DO DO TRACK THEM. THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE THINGS ABRUPTLY OCCUR OR, UM, IN A STRESSFUL SITUATION, THEY'VE TRIED TO ACTIVATE IT AND IT HASN'T TURNED ON. UM, AND SO WE DOCUMENT THOSE AND THOSE SITUATIONS WE RECOGNIZE ARE, ARE, UM, ARE NOTABLE, BUT ARE SITUATIONS THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE TO, TO COUNSEL THEM OR ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR A SUPERVISORY DISCUSSION. I THINK IF THERE'S A SITUATION AS YOU MENTIONED, WHERE THERE'S AN INAPPROPRIATE INTERACTION OR IF THERE'S EVER AN INTENTIONAL INTERACTION WHERE AN OFFICER'S NOT, UM, ACTIVATING FOR A NEFARIOUS REASON, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SITUATION. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE [01:00:01] WOULD HAVE A PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION OVER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MUCH MORE EXTREME THAN JUST NOT TURNING ON YOUR CAMERA. THAT'S, THAT'S A PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION AND THAT'S MISCONDUCT AND THAT'S NOTABLE DISCIPLINE. SO WE HAVE A WHOLE OTHER, UM, COURSE OF ACTION FOR THOSE, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THOSE MATTERS. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR POLICE AUDITOR ON THOSE. UM, AND SO LIEUTENANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER TO ADD ON THAT? I THINK, UH, YOU, YOU, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU HAD A CHIEF, SO THERE'S NO REAL BAIL SCHEDULE FOR THE LACK OF BETTER TERM IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MANY TIMES SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO VIOLATE THE BODY-WORN COUNTER POLICY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL CREATED EQUAL. UM, WE LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND TRY TO DEAL WITH THEM AT AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL. UM, AND THE POINT OF ANY DISCIPLINE IS, IS REALLY TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR AND ENSURE THAT WE HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH POLICY. UM, SO WE, WE EVALUATE THEM ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. WE DO WHAT WE FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, AND IN MOST CASES, UM, THEY'LL RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITORS OR EVALUATING, UH, THE CORRECTIVE ACTION FOR THESE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO CALL ON THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR AND INTRODUCE DENISE LEWIS AND JEFF SCHLANGER FROM INTER INTER TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY STATS. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND, UH, DENISE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MONTHLY STATS. UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THE LAST CONVERSATION IF I CAN. I THINK AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE ARE REVIEWING INCIDENTS EVERY MONTH, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, MONTHLY STATUTE IS ABOUT. AND, UH, AS LIEUTENANT LAVIANO MENTIONED, WHEN WE REVIEW AN INCIDENT, IT IS REVIEWED AND NOW THE DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING INCIDENTS IN A SIMILAR WAY. UM, THAT IS A 360 DEGREE REVIEW IN WHICH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALWAYS LOOKED AT IS COMPLIANCE WITH BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY. AND I MUST SAY WE GO FAR AND FEW BETWEEN, UH, IN SEEING, UH, VIOLATIONS OF BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, USUALLY INADVERTENT AND WAS MENTIONED AS WAS MENTIONED. UH, THOSE ARE NOTED AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS, UM, AND REALLY HAVEN'T FOUND MANY OF THEM. SO THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF. SO JUST A, A LITTLE SIDE NOTE TO THE CONVERSATION, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DENISE, WHO WILL TALK ABOUT THE MONTHLY STATS. THANK YOU, JEFF. UM, SO AS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND I THINK IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN, I'LL REPORT IN THE TRANCHES LIKE I TYPICALLY DO. SO FOR USE OF FORCE, THE NUMBER OF PENDING CASES THAT WERE UNDER REVIEW AND HADN'T YET BEEN PUSHED TO TO OUR REVIEW WAS 15. THERE WERE NINE NEW USES OF FORCE DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. SEVEN, UH, INVESTIGATIONS WERE CONDUCTED OR REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND PUSHED TO US. WE REVIEWED EIGHT DURING THAT MONTH. AND OUT OF THAT, THERE WERE NO RELATED, UH, AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION. THE ACAS, THERE WERE NONE OF THOSE NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS, THERE ARE FOUR PURSUIT INVESTIGATIONS IN THE QUEUE BEING REVIEWED. NOT YET TO US, THERE WERE THREE NEW PURSUITS DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. TWO PURSUITS REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND TWO REVIEWED BY US. AND AGAIN, THERE WERE NO, UH, NEEDED AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION. WITH REGARD TO THOSE REVIEWS ON COMPLAINTS. THERE ARE 11 THAT ARE PENDING IN THE QUEUE. THERE WERE FOUR NEW COMPLAINTS. UM, THERE WERE FOUR REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, TWO REVIEWED BY US. AND OF THOSE TWO, THERE WERE NO NECESSARY AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION. AND JUST AS A A TO EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, WHEN, WHEN WE SAY THERE WERE NO, UM, ACAS NECESSARY, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF OR HAD ALREADY RESPONDED TO ANYTHING, ANY PROBLEMS WITHIN THAT INVESTIGATION. SO GOING BACK TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, ANALOGY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IF IT TURNED OUT THAT WE SAW THAT DURING THAT INCIDENT, THE OFFICER DIDN'T TURN IT ON, UM, OR ACTIVATE IT WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE, AND THE SUPERVISOR ADDRESSED THAT AS A, WHETHER IT WAS A TRAINING POINT OR A COUNSELING, HOWEVER IT GOT ADDRESSED THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME AN, A NECESSARY AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION FOR US. 'CAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY, UM, HANDLED [01:05:01] THAT. SO I HOPE THAT'S MAKING SENSE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE OFTENTIMES THE ZEROS IN THE ACAS BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, UM, OR TAKEN ACTION ON ANY REMEDIATION THAT WAS NEEDED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE NINE NEW USES OF FORCE. I, APOLOGIES I DON'T HAVE 20, 25, UM, STATS IN FRONT OF ME. PERHAPS YOU DO, DENISE, IS THAT I DO. IS THAT HIGH FOR AS SOON AS I SAW IT? I, I PULLED IT UP. YEAH. SO LAST YEAR, SAME MONTH THERE WERE SIX. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF A JUMP. UM, NO EXPLANATION. NOTHING WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE WANNA KEEP AN EYE NOTICE. LAST YEAR IN MARCH, IT TOOK A BIG JUMP TO 14, UM, AND THEN IT WENT BACK DOWN TO THE FOURS AND FIVES. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL, WE'LL WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON. BUT YEAH, AND IT MIGHT HAVE, MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF WE JUST ATTACHED LAST YEAR'S REPORT GOING FORWARD. HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, JUST A QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THESE, YOU, UM, ARE YOU TRACKING THE USES OF FORCE? IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN, WHO LIVE IN PALOMA VERSUS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT, THAT INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE. WHETHER OR NOT WE TRACK IT ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY. IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE KEEPING TRACK OF THOSE? UM, I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT OF THOSE NINE, SOME OF THOSE COULD BE SHOW OF FORCE, DISPLAY OF FORCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE SAME, THEY, THEY MAY NOT HAVE ACTUALLY USED FORCE. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THOSE, UM, AT LEAST A FEW OF THOSE ARE, I JUST KNOW THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE, AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE PERSON IN WHICH FORCE WAS USED ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW. JEFF, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, AGAIN, IT IS CONTAINED IN THE RECORD, UH, THAT WE ARE EVALUATING, BUT WE ARE NOT KEEPING TABS PER SE ON THAT INFORMATION. I THINK IT MAY ALSO BE CAPTURED IN RIPPA DATA SO THAT WE COULD, COULD IN FACT GIVE A BREAKDOWN, UM, OF IT FROM THE RIPPA DATA. I BELIEVE THAT'S A FIELD THAT'S CAPTURED. UM, IF I COULD JUST, YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT I, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING. GETTING TO, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING YOUR REPORT SOON THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DISPAR. LIKE I DON'T, I FORGOT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY DISPARITIES OR WE ARE ALLOWED, BUT WHEN THERE'S A RACIAL, UH, DISCREPANCIES, WHATEVER THE WORD THAT WE USE, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF PETALUMA IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE'S, UH, MORE, MORE NON-WHITE PEOPLE VERSUS, UM, WHITE PEOPLE. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT LIKE, ARE, ARE WE TRACKING THESE KIND OF THINGS? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE UL ULTIMATELY THE, YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR YEARLY REPORT IS GONNA DEPEND ON, ON, ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE LIVE HERE AND ET CETERA. SO WE WILL BE, UH, PRESENTING OUR ANNUAL REPORT, I THINK NEXT MONTH IF I'M NOT, UH, MISTAKEN. AND, UH, THE RIPPA DATA WILL BE IN THERE AND THERE WILL BE A COMPARISON BETWEEN 2024 AND 2025. UH, JUST A MINOR CORRECTION. IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THINGS. IT, IT JUST IS, IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. SO IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICE TO COMPARE, UM, THE, THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN OF STOPS, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE POPULATION OF PETALUMA BECAUSE LOTS OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH PETALUMA AND THERE ARE PROBABLY BETTER DENOMINATORS WE CALL THEM TO USE, UH, FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE. SO WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME NEXT MONTH OR, UM, IN A SUBSEQUENT MONTH WHEN WE GO OVER THE RIPPA DATA, IT ITSELF. UM, BUT I GET YOUR POINT RELATIVE, EXCUSE ME, TO, UH, UH, TO RESIDENCY AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN PULL SOME OF THAT OUT AS WELL. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. IT, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK IT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S REPORT, THE, UH, THE USE OF FORCE DATA IN, IN TERMS OF WHERE THE OR, UH, RESIDENTS OF ORIGIN AND WE DO TRACK IT ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, POINTS. OKAY. YEAH. JEFF, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, YOU HAVE NINE USE OF FORCE. COULD YOU BREAK IT DOWN AND TELL US WHAT THE USE OF FORCE IS? I I MEAN IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL TERM THERE. [01:10:01] YEAH. SO WE DON'T, I BELIEVE, HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UH, IMMEDIATELY AT HAND. THE ANSWER IS WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT. AND WE ARE WORKING, UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT ON A POTENTIALLY IMPROVED REPORT THAT WOULD DO JUST THAT, UH, PROVIDES A A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL ON THIS BECAUSE AS DENISE SAID, UH, THESE MAY BE SHOWS OF FORCE AS OPPOSED TO USES OF FORCE. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF USE OF FORCE, UM, A WHOLE CONTINUUM IN FACT FROM, YOU KNOW, MERELY GOING HANDS-ON TO, UH, AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING ON THE FAR END OF THE SPECTRUM. SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THOSE USES OF FORCE ARE, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO GET, UH, THAT KIND OF DATA TO YOU. ARE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR A GENERAL DEFINITION OF USE OF FORCE? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I HEARD A GREAT PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY RE BRINGING UP THE, THE FLOCK CAMERAS. UM, AND SO IT'S HALF OF A QUESTION FOR THE DEPARTMENT, I THINK, AND MAYBE PARTLY FOR YOU JEFF AND DENISE, UM, SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC IS SO, UM, CURIOUS ABOUT, AND I THINK SINCE CITY COUNCIL ISN'T AS INTERESTED IN DIVING DEEPER INTO IT, IS THERE A WAY THAT, IS THERE A WAY WITHIN THE FLOCK TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES VIDEO WAS ACCESSED OR USED? I'M NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO SAY WHY, BUT SOME SORT OF METRIC THAT WE COULD TRACK AND THE PUBLIC COULD SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALREADY ON THE DASHBOARD AND IT WOULD BE JUST REDUNDANT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE FLOCK CONVERSATION AND, AND WATCHING TRENDS OF, OF HOW IT'S BEING USED AND IF THERE IS A BIG INFLUX OF OKAY, AND WHY, AND, AND I JUST WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MAYBE WE COULD IN INCORPORATE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVE THE FLOCK, WHICH HAS ITS OWN, UM, LIMITATIONS. BUT, UM, I DON'T WANNA DISREGARD, I DON'T WANNA HAVE ONE MEETING ON THE, THE FLOCK, UM, DISCUSSION AND THEN IT, IT KIND OF DIE. SO THE, THE ANSWER IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF METRICS THAT COME ALONG WITH, UH, FLOCK USAGE AND, UH, IT IS POSSIBLE TO REPORT OUT ON THEM. UM, IT, IT IS NOT IN OUR IMMEDIATE SCOPE OF, UH, OUR CONTRACTED WORK AT THIS TIME. SO WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, CITY MANAGER TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD WITH REGARDING THE FLOCK CONVERSATION IS SINCE THE LAST, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE'VE BEEN VERY DILIGENT AT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE STATE. UM, WE HAVE, UH, DISABLED SHARING WITH CERTAIN CITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT, UM, WERE FOUND TO HAVE HAD VIOLATIONS IN THEIR AUDIT. UM, WE ALSO POST OUR FLOCK TRANSPARENCY PAGE IN OUR PORTAL, AND WE'RE DISCUSSING, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PRAS THAT WE'RE GETTING, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO A LPR DATA WITH PUBLICLY PUTTING OUR AUDITS ON OUR TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU ACCESS TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING. SO WE'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICES AND, AND ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY TRUSTS HOW WE'RE USING TECHNOLOGY. UM, SO IT'S A GOOD, GREAT QUESTION AND, AND MORE TO COME. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU JEFF. THANK YOU DENISE. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA ITEM, [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO REVIEW THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE LONG RANGE CALENDAR. I'D ASK COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THERE ARE ANY DISCUSSIONS NEEDED REGARDING UPCOMING MEETING DATES AND OR POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. LONG RANGE CALENDAR, NO QUE OH, JUST ONE THING. YOU KNOW, WE, IN OCTOBER, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE WERE, IT WAS A, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS THIS BROAD, UM, ABOUT DRONES, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THEIR SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. IT WAS ABOUT A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS. AND I THINK EVERYTHING GOT KIND OF, EVERYTHING ELSE GOT KIND OF DROWNED OUT BY THE FLOCK DISCUSSION. IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KIND [01:15:01] OF REVISITING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT WE KIND OF DIDN'T LIKE. AGAIN, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WE, WE, WE WENT HEAVILY INTO A ONE DIRECTION AND DIDN'T GET A FULL, I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOW, JUST, JUST AN IDEA. UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO KEEP, I JUST DON'T WANT PSAC TO BECOME THE FLOCK, UM, A LPR COMMITTEE, UM, AS MUCH AS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND I, AS I JUST SAID, I, I WANNA KEEP TABS ON THAT. BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT, UM, JUST MY THING IS, UM, I SEE ON HERE LIMITED ENGLISH PROPHY PROFICIENCY SERVICES, UM, UH, AS JUST DISCUSSED, PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME PEOPLE WILL BE LEAVING US IN JULY AND WE'VE GOT THINGS GOING ON THROUGH, THROUGH JULY. I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET STUCK IN THIS THREE OR FOUR MEETING PATTERN OF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING IN MY OPINION, JUST THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER INSTEAD OF GETTING TO KIND OF TOUCH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT THINGS OVER, OVER THE YEARS, BY THE WAY, I, I WAS SAYING NOT THE FLOCK, NOT THE AL . I'M SAYING THAT OTHER TECHNOLOGY, I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK THEY GO TOGETHER AND I THINK THAT IT REOPENS IT. UM, PERSONALLY I FEEL SATISFIED BY THE, THE PRESENTATION ON THE, ON THE DRONES, UM, AND THAT TECHNOLOGY, AND I THINK EVEN BODY-WORN CAMERA IS STILL AN EXTENSION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT KIND OF SURVEILLANCE TOOLS. AND I FEEL LIKE THE DEPARTMENT'S DONE A GREAT JOB ON THAT. AND I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO, TO HEAR ABOUT EVEN THE CANINE TEAM. LIKE I JUST LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT LIKE VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. UM, SO WE DON'T JUST GET STUCK IN THIS PATTERN OF, THEN NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND, AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS THIS CYCLICAL THING JUST IN MY, MY OPINION. UM, I AGREE WITH YOU ELLEN. I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS DRONES. I SEE THOSE AS A SEPARATE TOPIC. I, I THINK TO KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE GOT SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER AS TBD RIGHT NOW, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO SECOND WE CAN VOTE ON AGENDA ITEMS FOR SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE IN, IN A MONTH OR TWO. WE OKAY, THAT'S FAIR. WE CAN LEAVE IT AS TBD FOR NOW. UM, I, I AGREE WITH BOTH YOU AND ELLEN. UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. UM, MAYBE WE CAN START TO LOOK AT DRONES AGAIN. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DID IT, WE GOT A GREAT CONVERSATION AND PRESENTATION ABOUT DRONES. SORRY, IT WAS JUST BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. UM, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO GO INTO IT THIS MONTH. THE ONE THING THAT DID COME UP THAT I'LL SORT OF, UM, TO THINK ABOUT FOR NEXT TIME IS I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SERVICE, UM, TO THE UNSHELTERED AND RESOURCE REVIEW. UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED A LOT ON PSAC IS SORT OF OUR UNSHELTERED AND UNHOUSED COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT I'D ALSO LIKE THE COMMUNITY TO CONSIDER FOR OUR LONG RANGE CALENDAR AS WELL. DO YOU SEE THAT AS PART OF, UM, SORRY, DO YOU SEE THAT AS PART OF THE, UM, TO HAVE, BRING SAFE BACK OR JUST COMPLETELY, UM, DEDICATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I WOULD, I WOULD OFFER THAT OUR SERVICE MODEL IS, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN JUST THE UTILIZATION OF THE SAFE TEAM. AND THERE IS SOME VALUABLE INPUT THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH HOW WE RESPOND WITH OUR SERVICES, FIRST ENFORCEMENT LAST, UM, AND HOW WE COLLABORATE WITH OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS. YEAH, THERE'S ALSO A PRETTY ROBUST CONVERSATION GOING ON REGARDING MEASURE O FUNDING, UH, THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND WAS DISCUSSED, UH, IN THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES WORKSHOP ON MONDAY NIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL REGARDING, UM, THE ONGOING SUSTAINABILITY OF THE COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FUNDING AND HOW IT RELATES TO, UH, THAT FUNDING, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, HELPING ASSIST THE CITY'S SPECIFICALLY THE SAFE FUNDING. AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT MAY BE A, A NOTABLE, UH, DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST FOR THIS BODY AS WELL. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO MENTION SOMETHING REGARDING THE DRONES. UM, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING THE DRONES, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR OUR AB 41, UH, REPORT, UH, IN A FEW MONTHS. AND DRONES ARE, UH, ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT IS COVERED UNDER AB 41. SO WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT OUR DEPLOYMENTS, OUR USES, OUR POLICIES. SO IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT DURING THAT MEETING. AND AS A MEMBER OF THE SON COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION, AND I SPENT THREE HOURS ON A ZOOM MEETING CALL TODAY. UM, GOING FORWARD, THE MEASURE OH MONEY IS FOR MENTAL HEALTH. SO MOST OF OUR HOMELESS SITUATIONS [01:20:02] ARE MENTAL HEALTH SITUATIONS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SAFE TEAM COMES IN IN, AND THEN THERE'S OTHERS. UM, AND IT MIGHT, UM, HELP TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY OF OUR POLICE CALLS ARE FOR, UM, I MEAN, I SPOKE TO SOMEBODY TODAY WHO IS A MOTHER OF A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL AND HAS BEEN IN THE HOMELESS SYSTEM FOR TWO DECADES, AND THEIR, UM, DAUGHTER WAS CONVICTED OF A FELONY BECAUSE SHE WAS PUSHING AN OFFICER. SHE SAID, UM, SCHIZOPHRENIC. AND IT WAS JUST AN OUTBURST. AND, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO PUSH AN OFFICER WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO, SO MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME, UM, UPDATE AS I COULD THINK OF TO SAY ON HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH THE SAFE HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POLICY? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. AND, UM, IT, IT ACTUALLY TURNED OUT WELL FOR THIS PERSON BECAUSE THEY WERE INCARCERATED AND WHILE THEY WERE INCARCERATED THEY GOT CLEAN AND SOBER. SO NOW THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, BE ON PRESCRIBED MEDICINE AND THEY'RE WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGH THE CONTRACT WE HAVE CLEANING UP, WE HAVE A CONTRACT, THE CITY WITH THE REBUILDING TOGETHER, AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF, UM, HANDS UP, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE HOMELESS. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY GET PAID IF THE, THEY, THEY GET LIKE A GIFT CARD, BUT THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES. AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENT, AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR OTHER PARTNERSHIPS AND OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES MAYBE ON MONDAY NIGHT. TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS WE HAVE WITH THE PETA PEOPLE SERVICE CENTER WITH REBUILDING TOGETHER, AND THOSE ALL HELP, UM, THE POLICE OFFICERS DOING THEIR JOB AND THE SAFE TEAM DOING THEIR JOB. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT PLUG IN THERE. I DON'T NORMALLY GET TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE COUNCIL'S BEEN DOING, BUT WE HAD A SPECIAL WORKSHOP ON OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES. YEAH, IF I WAS ACTUALLY, IF, IF MENTAL HEALTH IS AN INTEREST IN THE SAFE TEAM, UM, IS OF NOTE ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING AND EVALUATING, UH, WITH OUR COMMAND STAFF THAT HAS BEEN NOTABLE IN, UH, THE MEDIA RECENTLY. AND MY TEAM MAY BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH, UM, REMEMBERING THE SPECIFIC CASE LAW. UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S RESPONSE TO, UH, MENTAL HEALTH CALLS AND INVOLUNTARY MENTAL HEALTH HOLDS AND WHERE CERTAIN AGENCIES ARE REFUSING TO ACCEPT THOSE INVOLUNTARY HEALTH HOLDS. AND, UH, WALKING AWAY FROM THOSE INCIDENTS AND WHERE THE FAMILIES ARE FINDING THEMSELVES, WHERE A FAMILY MEMBER, UH, MAY BE QUALIFYING OF WHAT THEY FEEL IS, IS APPROPRIATE FOR A CIVIL DETENTION OR MENTAL HEALTH DETENTION, YET NO ONE'S NECESSARILY TAKING THEM, UM, INTO, UM, THAT CIVIL DETENTION. AND THEN THEY ARE HAVING, UM, ADVERSE INTERACTIONS OR HAVING ANOTHER, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTION OR HAVING SOME OTHER, UM, UM, INCIDENT OR, OR CREATING HARM AND, AND, AND VOLATILITY IN THE HOME. AND SO THAT IS A VERY CONTEMPORANEOUS CONVERSATION. THERE'S, UM, LIABILITY FOR, FOR THE CITY, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR THE FAMILIES. UM, AND SO THAT'S A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S INTERESTING CASE LAW, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IMMUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THAT ARE, ARE, UM, KIND OF A MOVING TARGET. SO THAT MAY BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY KIND OF NAVIGATING, UM, AND, AND DISCUSSING. SO, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING OF PUBLIC INTEREST, UM, WORTHY OF DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE COULD BE BRINGING BACK THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY KIND OF DISCUSSING AS AN ORGANIZATION. CHAIR MILLER, I HATE TO INTERRUPT. WE HAVE ABOUT TWO MINUTES LEFT IN THE MEETING. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU GUYS. UM, I FEEL LIKE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WAS, UM, [COMMITTEE COMMENT] REPORT OUT ON FUTURE EVENTS, OR SORRY, BRING FORWARD FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I FEEL LIKE WE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION. UM, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN PUT FORWARD A MOTION AND START TO FILL IN SOME OF THOSE SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER DATES. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS OR REPORT OUT ON EVENTS ATTENDED THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO SQUEEZE IN? AND I'D ASK CHIEF MILLER [STAFF COMMENT] AND THE STAFF, ARE THERE ANY STAFF COMMENTS YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO REPORT OUT? I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE WILL ADD IS, UH, THIS WEEKEND, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING A DEMONSTRATION DOWNTOWN. UM, YEAH, JUST, YEAH. UM, AND SO, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST, UH, DEMONSTRATION IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, UM, THAT, THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED. AND SO WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THE EVENT ORGANIZERS AND, AND ARE OPTIMISTIC [01:25:01] AND ANTICIPATE, UM, A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION. AND SO WE JOKE THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, IS RESPECTFUL OF ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS' POSITIONS, UH, UM, EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS APPROPRIATELY AND LAWFULLY, UM, UM, ADHERE TO ALL, UM, UM, LAWS AND STAY OUT OF THE ROADWAY, STAY ON THE SIDEWALK, BE SAFE, UH, BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. UM, WE WILL HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE'LL, WORKING ON SOME COMMUNITY MESSAGING, JUST REMINDING, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IF THEY WANT TO AVOID THE AREA OR DRIVING IN THE AREA TO BE AWARE, UM, AS WELL. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE UH, WE UH, HOPE EVERYONE, UM, IS RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER AND, UH, UM, EXERCISES THEIR RIGHTS APPROPRIATELY, LAWFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. AND THAT WILL BE ON THE, UH, 28TH, UM, I THINK AT NOON TO TWO. UH, SO THANK YOU. THANKS CHIEF. AND UH, YEAH, I'LL JUST THROW IN A, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. THE BUTTER AND EGGS DAY WILL BE APRIL 18TH AND I HAVE TO THANK THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY KEEP ALL OUR TRAFFIC AND PARADE AND 30,000 PEOPLE VERY NICELY MOVING ON AND CONTAINED AND FAMILY FRIENDLY. SO THANK YOU. AND, UH, WE HAVE OUR MEETING THE WE THAT FOUR DAYS LATER ON THE 22ND, SO WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:30 PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER HOT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.