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          I HAD LIKE 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
TO CALL THE RECREATION PARKS AND MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER, OR APRIL 15TH. 
          OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A ROLL CALL. 
          ALLERE? YEAH, BERTELLI. 
          HERE. 
          CHISHOLM. 
          EARL? HERE. 
          GARCIA? HERE. 
          GREENSPAN. 
          HERE. 
          DI CARLY. 
          HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          ALRIGHT, I'D LIKE TO EVERY INVITE EVERYONE TO JOIN IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC RELIGIOU STANDS WHY NATION UNDER THAT. 
          UH, NEXT 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS REGARDING LAST MONTH'S AGENDA? UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING LAST MONTH, OR, I'M SORRY. 
          FEBRUARY. 
          THANK YOU, STACY. 
          APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          UH, SHOULD WE JUST DO A HAND SHOW OF HANDS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE APPROVED THE MINUTES. 
          UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA OR ANY CHANGES OR DELETIONS? UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR. 
          NO CHANGES OR, UH, DELETIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER PRESENTATIONS 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
WILL BE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE, THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED, UH, UH, SEVERAL WRITTEN COMMENTS AND WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. 
          SO, UM, WOULD MARIAN WAGNER LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK FIRST? GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, THIS IS, I THINK, KIND OF PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE I'M WAS SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S BEING DELIVERED TODAY ON THE AGENDA, THE BOCCE COURTS. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA THROW OUT A LITTLE COMMENT ABOUT THE BOCCE COURTS. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY POPULAR SPORT AND WE ARE UNDERSERVED WITH COURTS IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S TWO ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, THAT ARE, CAN I, CAN I STOP YOU JUST REAL QUICK? UM, WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU STICK AROUND THESE, UH, ITEMS. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SAID. 
          OKAY. 
          I SAID IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND SHE SAID, SO, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL SIT BACK DOWN. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ON. 
          ANYTHING ELSE WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE? IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YEP. 
          NOPE, I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL STICK AROUND PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS DREW. 
          ANY OTHER? UM, THE NEXT PERSON THAT W WANTED TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT WAS DEANNA DAWSON, UNLESS, UM, IT'S MORE OF SPECIFIC ABOUT ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. OH, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          HI, YOU GUYS. 
          UM, MY NAME'S DEANNA DAWSON. 
          I'M HERE WITH SHERRY OSTER AND SUZANNE CARDIFF. 
          DID I GET IT BOTH RIGHT ON THE LAST NAMES. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          UM, AND WE ARE THREE OF THE PEOPLE ON A NEWLY FORMED, WE'VE BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS DOG PARK COMMITTEE, AND, UH, WE HAVE FORMED TO MAKE SURE AND SEE WHAT SUPPORT WE CAN PROVIDE TO BRING A SAFE DOG PARK TO PETALUMA. 
          WE'VE WORKED ON ASSESSING ALL THE CURRENT DOG PARKS. 
          WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND DREW IS GOING TO INVITE US TO, UH, VISIT WITH THE AD HOC, UM, GROUP AND ALSO THE, UM, FAIRGROUNDS GROUP. 
          AND SO YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM US AND WE WANTED TO JUST COME AND SEE HOW YOU GUYS WORK AND HOW IT MOVES AS WE TRY TO GET INVOLVED FOR IN REPRESENTING DOG OWNERS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON JUST GENERAL, UH, NON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, MEGAN LEWIN. 
          HI. 
          THANK 
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YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          MY NAME IS MEGAN LE BOIN. 
          I RESIDE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UM, NEAR LARA PARK WHERE I GO OFTEN WITH MY TODDLER. 
          UH, LAST YEAR I WAS ON A WALK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WAS ATTACKED BY A GREAT PYRENEES THAT RAN OUT OF A, A NEIGHBORHOOD HOME, UM, CHARGED AT MY 1-YEAR-OLD IN THE STROLLER. 
          UM, AND BIT ME, UH, THANK GOODNESS INSTEAD OF MY MY SON. 
          BUT THE INCIDENT WAS A WAKE UP CALL FOR ME AND MADE ME REALIZE HOW QUICKLY AND HOW RANDOMLY A YOUNG CHILD MIGHT BE HURT BY AN OFF-LEASH DOG. 
          THERE HE IS, . 
          UM, AS A REGULAR LACE, I'VE OBSERVED DOGS IN THE GRASSY AREA, UM, OFTEN UNLEASH, UM, LARGE DOGS, GERMAN SHEPHERDS, PIT BULLS. 
          UM, AND IT'S REGULAR, IT'S NORMAL FOR DOGS TO RUN THROUGH THE PLAYGROUND, SOMETIMES TO THE GRASSY AREA WHERE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING. 
          UM, AND MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE ALL STEPPED IN DOG FECES, EVEN AT THE BASE OF THE SLIDES AND UNDER THE BABY SWINGS. 
          UM, AFTER SHARING MY EXPERIENCE, SEVERAL OTHER MOTHERS, UH, SHARED THEIR AND CAREGIVERS HAVE SHARED SIMILAR STORIES WHERE, UH, CHILDREN AND MOTHERS BEING CHARGED BY AWFULLY DOGS AND FAMILIES JUST GENERALLY FEELING UNSAFE TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN WHEN OFF-LEASH DOGS ARE PRESENT. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE FAMILIES SIGNED A PRO A PETITION I SUBMITTED TO PARKS AND REC, UH, JUST SHARING THEIR SUPPORT, MANY OF THEM DOG OWNERS THEMSELVES. 
          AND, UM, I'M SHARING MY MESSAGE JUST TO ENCOURAGE THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE PREVENTATIVE ACTION TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE AND ENSURE THAT PARKS WORK FOR EVERYONE. 
          FURRY FRIENDS, FOUR-LEGGED FRIENDS INCLUDED. 
          AND I'D REALLY LOVE TO OFFER THREE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. 
          ONE BEING A SMALL PERIMETER FRIENDS, UM, HOPEFULLY ELIGIBLE FOR MEASURE M FUNDING TO HELP FAMILIES FEEL SAFE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND AREA WHEN CHILDREN ARE PLAYING, UH, DOG WASTE STATIONS, WHICH I'VE SEEN AT OTHER PARKS AND ALONG TRAILS JUST TO SIMPLE LOW COST WAY TO HELP, UM, ENCOURAGE THAT DOG OWNERS PICK UP FECES. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO USE TO PICK IT UP OURSELVES. 
          UM, AND ENFORCE EXISTING LEASH LAWS THAT I THINK ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK HOURS, UH, WOULD BE A VISIBLE DETERRENT TO HELP, UH, PROTECT CHILDREN AND RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION THIS EVENING. 
          UM, HAPPY TO SHARE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR, UM, COLLABORATE ON SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT WE HAVE JESSICA. 
          HI, I'M JESSICA MOSES. 
          UM, I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE. 
          . 
          UH, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOR MEGAN, UM, AND FELLOW LA SARAH, MOM. 
          JUST TO SAY THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UM, GIVEN THAT THERE IS NEW ENERGY AROUND A DOG PARK, UM, COALITION TO, LIKE MEGAN SAID, UH, MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WORK FOR EVERYBODY, LITTLE KIDS AS WELL AS DOGS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE AND WELCOMING FOR ALL. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND WE WANNA FEEL COMFORTABLE USING IT. 
          AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT DOGS WANT A PLACE TO RUN TO. 
          UM, SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK CLOSER AT MEGAN'S PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT CAME IN TONIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BAN DOGS FROM LA PARK. 
          UM, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE DOGS THEMSELVES, SO JUST LOOKING FOR IT TO BE SAFE FOR EVERYONE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. 
          NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THE FIRST THING ITEM UNDER THAT HEADING IS A REVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL BY THE SUNRISE ROTARY CLUB FOR INSTALLATION OF A BOCCE BALL COURT AT, UH, MCNAIR PARKS HORSESHOE PITS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          JUST BEFORE WE, UM, KIND OF INTRODUCE JILL, I WANNA KIND OF TEE UP THIS ITEM. 
          UM, SO, SO THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, AND, AND I AND BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE LAST PERIOD, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THOSE EMAILS THAT CAME IN, UH, TODAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, WE HEAR YOU AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING YOU ON, ON SOME PRACTICAL STEPS AND SOME, SOME OTHER LONG-TERM STEPS WE CAN TAKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO THE BOCCE BALL COURT PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR TONIGHT, UH, IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, WAS, IS NOT NEW. 
          UM, BUT THAT REFRESHED. 
          SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL, UM, THAT FIRST WAS BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION IN 2018, UM, 
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AT A TIME LIKE YOU'LL HEAR TODAY, THAT THAT CAME FROM A SERVICE CLUB, UH, INITIATIVE, WHICH WAS TO TAKE, UH, UH, AN AN UNDERUTILIZED PARK AMENITY AT ONE OF THE BELOVED PARKS, MCNAIR PARK, WHICH IS OUR, UH, SIX HORSESHOE PITS AND REFURBISH THEM AND, AND, AND INSTALL, UM, BOCCE PAUL COURTS THAT WOULD THEN ACCOMMODATE, UM, SOME LEAGUE PLAY, SOME DROP IN PLAY, UM, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, RE REINVENT THAT TYPE OF SPACE, UH, UNDER THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT TO, TO OFFER SOMETHING NEW. 
          SO THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT MEETING, 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE COMMISSION SAT ON THE COMMITTEE AT TI AT THE TIME, RIGHT? NO, NO. 
          LOOKING AT YOU. 
          OKAY. 
           THE PREVIOUS OKAY. 
          PAPER HEARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT FORTUNATELY JILL WAS HERE, UH, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM A MOMENT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION WHILE, WHILE MAJORITY WAS, WAS POSITIVE, DID HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE CAME ABOUT. 
          WHAT WOULD THESE LEAGUE PLAY LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE NORMAL QUESTIONS IN THE TYPICAL, UH, QUESTIONS WE WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES PARKING GET IMPACT? WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF USE, UM, COSTS, MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UH, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROTARY CLUBS, THEY, THEY DID NOT GONNA BRING THIS PROJECT BACK AS A FULLY TAILORED, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD THEN, UM, RECOMMEND TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          THEY MOVED ON AND, AND, AND THE RESOURCES OR PROJECTS CAME ABOUT. 
          BUT THE EXCITING PART IS JILL'S STILL HERE, AND, AND, UM, THERE'S KIND OF A RENEWED INTEREST AMONG, UH, HER GROUP AND THE ROTARY CLUB TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND WANTED TO SET THE KIND OF EXPECTATIONS FOR TONIGHT. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR IS THE CONCEPT AND THE PROPOSAL VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS IN 2018 WITH SOME UPDATED MAPS, UM, HEAR ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THE COMMISSION IS NOT A, A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE APPROVE ANY FORMAL DESIGN, REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, IS THIS A CONCEPT THAT WE SUPPORT AS A MAJORITY OF THIS COMMISSION? AND IF SO, ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A FINAL DESIGN BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO THIS COMMISSION, UM, PRIOR TO MAKING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          THIS IS THE TIME TO LEARN, TO SEE IF IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR, FOR NOW. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN AGAIN, ALL, ALL QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK ARE WELCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, JILL OLSON WITH THE SUNRISE ROTARY CLUB. 
          AND TAKE IT AWAY, JILL. 
          HELLO. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          OF COURSE. 
          MY NAME'S JILL OLSON WITH THE, I'M A MEMBER OF THE PETALUMA SUNRISE ROTARY CLUB, AND OUR CLUB IS INTERESTED IN INSTALLING SIX BOCCE BALL COURTS WHERE THE HORSESHOE PITS ARE AT MCNAIR PARK. 
          UM, MCNAIR PARK IS A COMMUNITY PARK, AND, UM, THE REASON WE CHOSE THIS SITE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS BECAUSE IT, UM, IT'S AN UNDERUTILIZED AREA WHERE THE HORSESHOE PITS ARE, AND THERE'S 20 OFF STREET PARKING STALLS RIGHT THERE, AND TWO OF WHICH ARE HANDICAPPED. 
          AND IN PETALUMA, UM, THERE IS, UM, THEY USED TO HAVE, UM, HORSESHOE LEAGUES STARTING IN 1931, AND PET PETALUMA HAS A TRACK RECORD OF SOCIAL COURT PLAY. 
          SO HORSESHOE PITS WERE ONCE ACTIVE AND NOW THEY'RE UNDERUTILIZED. 
          UM, THERE'S MANY COMMUNITIES, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          SANTA ROSA HAS, UH, SIX AT JULLIARD PARK. 
          SONOMA HAS, UH, TWO AT DEPOT PARK. 
          MARIN COUNTY HAS EIGHT COURTS IN SAN RAFAEL, FOUR COURTS IN, UM, UH, NOVATO, UH, TWO COURTS IN, UM, TIS PARK. 
          AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THIS, BUT MARTINEZ, WHICH IS JUST ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN CONTRA COSTA COUNTY, HAS THE LARGEST BOCCE BALL LEAGUE IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          IT HAS 24 MEMBERS, 15 COURTS AND PLAY SIX DAYS A WEEK DURING THEIR LEAGUE TIME. 
          AND MARTINEZ'S POPULATION IS 37,000, WHEREAS PETALUMA IS 60,000. 
          SO THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SLIDES OR YOU HAVE THE PAPER? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS, LIKE I SAID, TO, UM, REPLACE THE, UH, HORSESHOE PITS, WHICH IS SIX QUARTS WITH BOCCE. 
          NOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE WHO MAYBE STILL PLAY HORSESHOE PITS WHO, WHO STILL PLAY HORSESHOES. 
          SO WE WOULD MOVE TO HORSESHOE PITS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, UM, TENNIS COURTS, SO THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO PLAY. 
          SO IT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, DON'T IGNORE THOSE PEOPLE. 
          UM, OF COURSE, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, NOW THAT'S GOT THE OVERHEAD THAT LOOKS DOWN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH MCNAIR PARK, BUT IT'S, UM, BETWEEN FG AND 11TH STREET. 
          SO 11TH STREET IS WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE 20, UM, PARKING STALLS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, UM, PUT THE BOCCE CORDS. 
          AND IT'S GREAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE, THE, UM, GRASS, IT'S JUST, IT JUST SCREAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, 
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RE REUSING IT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT SHOWS WHAT WE WOULD DO. 
          SO, UM, AND WE WERE, AND SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE GONNA DO, UM, UH, CRUSHED, UH, OYSTER SHELLS ON THE COURTS. 
          AND IN THESE EIGHT YEARS I'VE DISCOVERED, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY HAVE THE TWO COURTS OVER AT LEGHORN PARK ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, AND SOME GENTLEMEN USE THAT FOR THE SMALL LEAGUE THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF. 
          AND THEY COMPLAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S, IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE, SO KIDS WILL USE IT FOR LIKE, TALK OF TRUCKS AND THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, RUN 'EM ACROSS THE, THE, THE BOCCE COURTS AND GOUGE IT. 
          SO IN HINDSIGHT, WE'RE THINKING, OKAY, 'CAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS LIKE THE LEAST MAINTENANCE FOR THE ROTARY CLUB AND THE LEAST MAINTENANCE FOR THE CITY. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A TURF IN THERE, WHICH IS LIKE CARPET. 
          IT'S, UM, BASICALLY, UH, PUTTING GREEN GRASS THAT'S FAKE AND, YOU KNOW, FOR MAINTENANCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BLOW OFF THE LEAVES FROM THE NEARBY REDWOOD TREES, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE THERE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. 
          AND THEN, UM, NEAR THE, UH, TWO HORSESHOE PITS, WE WERE GONNA PUT IN A, UM, SIX BY EIGHT, UM, STORAGE SHED. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A STORAGE SHED WHERE, UM, YOU KEEP THE, WHERE WE WOULD KEEP THE BOCCE QUARTS, I MEAN THE BOCCE BALLS, UM, UMBRELLAS, LIKE, UM, AT THE END OF EACH COURT THERE WOULD BE A PICNIC TABLE. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, LIKE MY TEAM AND ANOTHER TEAM WOULD SHARE THE TABLE AND PLAY ON COURT ONE. 
          THEN ACROSS, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE A PICNIC TABLE. 
          AND, UM, ONE TEAM AND ANOTHER TEAM WOULD PLAY ON COURT TOO. 
          YOU GET TO KNOW OTHER PEOPLE, YOU GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL, LIKE MCNAIR NEIGHBORS, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OWN LEAGUE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, UM, WHEEL THEIR, UM, THEIR, UH, THEIR WAGONS WITH THEIR FOOD AND DRINK AND BRING IT OVER THERE AND MEET THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          I WAS LIKE, OH, YOU LIVE ON THAT CORNER. 
          I LOVE YOUR, YOUR GARDEN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST A GREAT THING. 
          AND SO THIS STORAGE SHED COULD BE, WOULD BE HOUSING THE BALLS, THE UMBRELLAS FOR THE PICNIC TABLES, UM, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO SAY THE, UM, THE CAPTAIN OF THE, OF THE TEAM WOULD GET THE KEY TO THAT HOUSE, TO THE STORAGE SHED. 
          AND THEN ON THE SIDE OF THE STORAGE SHED WOULD BE A GLASS, UM, UH, UH, PLATE THAT WOULD SHOW LIKE THE RULES OF BOCCE LEAGUE PLAY. 
          AND THEN ANYBODY, UM, WHO WANTED TO PLAY AND BRING THEIR FAMILY AND GO PLAY, THEY COULD BRING THEIR BALLS AND THEN THEY KNOW WHEN NOT TO PLAY DURING LEAGUE TIME. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE JUST BASICALLY SHOWS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, SO IT'LL BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE, UH, PUBLIC PICNIC TABLES ON EACH SIDE OF THE COURTS, WHICH ARE RENTED THROUGH THE CITY, AND WE WILL NOT BE ENCROACHING ON THOSE. 
          SO THOSE WILL STILL BE, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO RENT. 
          WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, IT'S THE CITY'S, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, PICNIC TABLES FOR THE BOCCE PLAY. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D, WE'D HAVE TWO BOCCE COURTS WITH A DA ACCESSIBILITY. 
          AND WHAT'S NICE ABOUT, I MEAN, WHAT'S NICE ABOUT BOCCE IS THAT ANYBODY CAN PLAY YOUNG, OLD, IF YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU COULD PLAY, I MEAN, UM, PICKLEBALL IS VERY, VERY POPULAR, BUT IT'S ATHLETIC. 
          UM, UH, WE WERE, UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, WE WERE THINKING TWO, TWO LEAGUES A YEAR, ONE SPRING AND ONE, UM, FALL GAMES, TYPICALLY TWO TO THREE EVENINGS A WEEK. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT TO ENCROACH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF MCNAIR. 
          AND SO IT WOULD, UM, END, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETWEEN FOUR AND 7:00 PM FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS. 
          UM, AND THEN MAYBE SOME TOURNAMENT OR SOME, YOU KNOW, FINAL TOURNAMENTS AT THE END. 
          BUT, UM, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE LIGHTS THERE, SO WE WON'T BE USING IT AT NIGHT. 
          UM, ABOUT 36 PLAYERS ACTIVE AT A TIME. 
          TEAMS OF TWO TO FOUR, USUALLY ABOUT FOUR PER TEAM. 
          UM, OPEN PLAY, AVAILABLE OUTSIDE LEAGUE HOURS, ONSITE DISPLAY RULES, I SAID THAT MANAGED BY PARKS AND REC WITH ESTABLISHED MAINTENANCE PLAN. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THEN THIS WOULD BE, UM, THE, UH, KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK ON THE SIDE OF THE STORAGE SHED WOULD BE THE RULES AND THE TIME OF LEAGUE PLAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY COMMENTS? UM, DO WE WANNA LET THE COMMISSIONERS COMMENT NOW? OKAY, GO AHEAD BRENDA. 
          SOLO. 
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MARIA, WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU ON THE ENGLISH CHANNEL. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          . 
          WOULD IT ONLY BE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SIGNED UP TO THE TEAMS OR COULD IT BE ANY OTHER DIFFERENT TEAMS? I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE PARKS AND REC FOR THE, THE LEAGUES FOR THE SPRING AND FOR THE FALL. 
          I THINK YOU, I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE COULD DO LIKE, UM, LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE CAN SIGN UP SOMEHOW. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MAYBE DOING A SERVICE CLUB BETWEEN THE KIWANIS, THE, THE THREE SUNRISE OR THE THREE ROTARY CLUBS IN TOWN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO'S LEFT IN LYONS CLUB, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE FUN TOO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT. 
          I HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT. 
          LIKE DO WE SIGN UP THROUGH PARKS OF REC FOR THAT TYPE OF LEAGUE, OR, I'M NOT SURE. 
          THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          ONE OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM 2018 IS, YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT SOME TYPE OF FORMAT BASED ON WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND, AND I THINK WHAT JILL SHOWED WAS, UM, OFFERING A FEW ORGANIZED LEAGUES, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO RENT COURTS FOR GROUPS THAT WANNA RENT THEM FOR A FAMILY REUNION, AN EVENT, AND THEN HAVE DROP IN PLAY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TOO. 
          UM, AND SO I REMEMBER THAT FROM THE 2018 CONVERSATION. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOWED WAS A COUPLE OF NIGHTS. 
          UM, BUT NOT BY ANY MEANS RESERVING COURTS EVERY NIGHT, HAVING TO HAVE SOME DROP IN PLAY, UH, AND RENTABLE SPACE SO WE CAN RECOVER SOME COSTS TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THE TURF TO LAST? AND DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR REPLACING THE TURF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE? I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THE LIFESPAN OF A TYPICAL, UM, LIKE I I CALL IT PUTTING GREEN 'CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY SHORT, UM, ABOUT 15 YEARS. 
          AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE CAN, UM, SIGN SOMETHING WITH, UM, WITH THE CITY, WITH PARKS AND REC FOR OUR ROTARY CLUB TO REPLACE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JOSE? UM, NO, UM, I, MY CO MAIN COMMENT IS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN CONSIDER OTHER, UH, SURFACES THAN, BESIDES ARTIFICIAL TURF, LIKE SAND OR DG. 
          UM, ARTIFICIAL TURF IS NOT A NO MAINTENANCE SURFACE BY ANY MEANS. 
          IF YOU WANT IT TO PERFORM PROPERLY, IT DOES REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT, DISPOSAL OF IT, WHEN IT DOES FINALLY WEAR OUT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NATURAL SURFACE LIKE SAND OR DG OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE. 
          AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS AND THE, UM, CHALLENGES WITH THAT. 
          STACY? UH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENT TOO, IS JUST THAT, UH, WE HAVE HAD MEETING AFTER MEETING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          SO, UM, UH, USUALLY THE INFILL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CORK, IS NOT GREAT FOR KIDS. 
          AND SO YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIDS USING THAT AREA FOR TRUCKS. 
          UM, LOTS OF THAT STUFF. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S RUBBER, IT'S DEFINITELY TOXIC. 
          UM, IF IT'S CORK, IT, I DON'T KNOW THE LEVEL OF TOXICITY, IT'S LIKE A STEP BETTER. 
          UH, BUT ALL OF THOSE LITTLE, UM, FAKE STRANDS OF GRASS ARE MADE OUT OF PLASTIC AND SO KIDS INGEST EM. 
          BUT DEFINITELY DEPENDING ON THE FILL, LIKE WITH PLAYING SOCCER, UM, IT GETS INTO EVERYTHING. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR LIKE A KID TO PLAY. 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT MADE FOR KIDS. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S MADE FOR ADULTS, BUT THERE'D BE NO WAY TO, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE AROUND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN WITH, WITH THAT. 
          SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT DG TWO. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA THE EXPENSE OR MAINTENANCE OF DG, UM, SAND I THINK INVITES CATS. 
          SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE, LIKE WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL BEEN TO, UM, WALNUT PARK. 
          UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE SIGN WOULD BE GLASS. 
          DID YOU MEAN LIKE PLEXIGLASS? YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, THAT WOULD NOT LAST. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED, BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, THAT WAS MY ONLY CLARIFICATION THERE. 
          CAN I RESPOND TO THE OH, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, ACTUALLY I PUT A PUTTING GREEN IN MY BACKYARD. 
          I'VE ALWAYS WANTED A PUTTING GREEN AND, UM, 
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THE, THIS IS A PUTTING GREEN AND THERE IS NO INFILL. 
          OKAY. 
          MY KIDS PLAYED LACROSSE, UM, YEARS AGO, UM, AT THE EAST WASHINGTON AND LUCCHESE AND YEAH, THEY COME BACK WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF, LIKE IN THE HOUSE AND ALL THAT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, SO THIS IS, THERE'S NO INFILL. 
          OH, OKAY, GREAT. 
          WHICH IS GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          IT'S BASICALLY REALLY FLAT. 
          UM, AND IT'S LIKE CARPET REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          STILL MADE OUT PLASTIC. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM PLASTIC, SO IT'S NOT AN ATTACK ON THAT. 
          IT'S JUST PLASTIC ISN'T EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S PROBABLY SIX OF ONE AND A HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER. 
          BUT I'M HAPPY THAT THERE WOULD BE NO INFILL 'CAUSE THAT STUFF IS NASTY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO JUST ECHOING OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE LOOKING AT OTHER SURFACES. 
          UM, THE FACT IS PETTING GREEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL THE SAME. 
          WE'VE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS ABOUT THIS AND SO MUCH EDUCATION ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION IS PRETTY SCARED OF, UH, TURF AND SYNTHETIC SURFACES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD OF THE STUDIES AND, YOU KNOW, THE CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS. 
          AND THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK. 
          THIS IS WHERE KIDS PLAY. 
          THIS IS WHERE FAMILIES ARE NOT JUST KIDS, BUT ADULTS DO. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO GET AROUND IT, I THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          I ALSO FEEL LIKE THAT SPOT, UM, DRAINAGE WISE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL. 
          IT IS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN THAT SPOT. 
          WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MITIGATE ANY KIND OF, UM, DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THAT SPACE? UM, WE'VE TALKED TO LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THEY, UM, RECOMMENDED DRAINAGE. 
          SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE LIKE US JUST GOING IN THERE AND PUTTING IT IN WITHOUT PROPER, UM, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DRAINS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT STACY MADE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SURFACES, LIKE DG OR SAND. 
          THERE THERE ARE, UH, TECH, THERE IS TECHNOLOGY AND MATERIALS THAT CAN BE MIXED IN WITH DG AND OR SAND TO MAKE THAT SURFACE, UM, HARDER. 
          AND IT'LL STILL BE WATER PERMEABLE, BUT NOT AS EASILY DISTURBED AS, UM, IT WOULD BE WITHOUT THAT TREATMENT. 
          WE, WE DID A TREATMENT LIKE THAT AT THE PALACE OF FINE ARTS. 
          THEY DID EXTENSIVE PATHWAYS ALL AROUND THE PALACE OF FINE ARTS WITH DG, WHICH THE MAINTENANCE STAFF WAS HORRIFIED BY BECAUSE WE KNOW ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SURFACE, BUT THIS TREATMENT MADE IT MUCH HARDER AND MORE PERMANENT TO WHERE IT JUST NEEDED TO BE TOP DRESSED EVERY NOW AND THEN. 
          SO I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PERKS DEPARTMENT AND YOUR GROUP TO REALLY SERIOUSLY EXPLORE ALL THOSE VARIOUS OPTIONS. 
          UM, THAT'S, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I HAVEN'T, UM, INVESTIGATED THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ALEX, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? HI, JILL. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND I'M GLAD TO SEE ROTARY TAKING IN, UH, INTEREST IN MCNAIR PARK AND DOING THIS. 
          UM, I DO LIKE BOCCE BALL A LOT MYSELF. 
          I DON'T PLAY MUCH ANYMORE, BUT UM, I DO LIKE IT. 
          ARE, WILL THESE COURTS BE, UM, ENTIRELY WITHIN THE AREA OF THE HORSESHOE PITS WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, ARE THERE, AS FAR AS THE HORSESHOES GO, 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, TO MAKE NEAR, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANYBODY THAT CURRENTLY USES IT. 
          ARE THERE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR GROUPS OR TEAMS OR ANYBODY THAT STILL USES THE HORSESHOES, HOW, HOW THIS MIGHT AFFECT THEM? WE REALLY DON'T. 
          GO AHEAD, DREW. 
          OH, DID YOU? YEAH, NO, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, LAURA, WOULD YOU MIND ASKING THE CLERK, WOULD YOU MIND, UM, SHARING SCREEN AGAIN AND GOING BACK TO THE FOOTPRINT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S FIRST QUESTION AND JUST KIND OF SEEING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS FAR AS, UM, RELOCATING A COUPLE OF COURTS. 
          UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION, WE, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD PROBABLY WOULD SAY MORE THAN THREE INQUIRIES TO RENT OR RESERVE, UH, THE BOCCE, OR SORRY, THE HORSESHOE PITS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, WE DO SEE ONCE IN A WHILE, UM, A GROUP OF DROP IN PLAY. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF HORSESHOE PITS. 
          UM, THERE'S ONE OVER AT, UM, UH, MEADOWVIEW PARK, UM, MCNAIR'S OBVIOUSLY THE, THE BIGGEST ONE. 
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UM, BUT, BUT ONE, ONE GROUP, SO TWO, TWO PARTICIPANTS TYPICALLY. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY LESS, LESS THAN FIVE, PROBABLY THREE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME INDICATION. 
          AND YEAH, LET'S GO TO THE SITE PLAN. 
          I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IMPORTANT TOO BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL, UM, ALLOWS FOR SOME RELOCATION HERE. 
          BUT, BUT THIS WOULD BE REPLACING TURF. 
          UH, AND, AND THERE'S A WALKWAY. 
          YOU CAN'T REALLY QUITE SEE GREEN OR GRAY OUT HERE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE TENNIS COURTS. 
          SO WHILE THE WHOLE SITE PLAN, LIKE JILL SAID, WOULD BE WITHIN THE DIMENSIONS, THE NEW BUILD WOULD BE THOSE ONE AND TWO COURTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THOSE WOULD BE A NEW FOOTPRINT ESSENTIALLY. 
          UM, OPEN TO FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          BUT I THINK WE FELT THROUGH THE LAST COMMENT WHEN WE DID THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL 2018, WAS IT? YES. 
          UM, I WAS JUST SAYING, YEAH, WE, WE FELT A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TAKING AWAY, YOU KNOW, UM, HORSESHOE ALTOGETHER, UH, JUST IN CASE IT COMES ROARING BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THANK YOU DREW FOR THE CONTEXT. 
          AND WILL THE NEW HORSESHOE PITS ESSENTIALLY JUST BE A BACKBOARD AS THEY ARE NOW WITH A COUPLE STAKES IN THE GROUND AND JUST, UH, GRASS IN BETWEEN? YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          DO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE ROTARY WANTING TO DO ALL THIS. 
          DO WE KNOW THAT SIX IS TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE? OR DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION AS TO, UM, A CITY THIS SIZE? I MEAN, I BELIEVE IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. 
          IF WE DID FOUR, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE, UH, 60,000 PEOPLE, SIX IS SUFFICIENT. 
          MY SISTER PLAYS IN A LEAGUE IN ST. 
          HELENA AND ST. 
          HELENA'S A POPULATION OF UNDER 5,000. 
          AND THEY, THERE'S LIKE, I THINK EIGHT COURTS THERE AND IT'S CONSTANTLY USED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS, IS THE DESIRE TO HAVE LEAGUES AND TEAMS PLAY THERE COMPETITIVELY? YES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD, YOU COULD HAVE, UM, UH, FUNDRAISERS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YES, UHHUH. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, KINDA MY LAST QUESTION AND COMMENT IS ALONG THE LINES OF EVERYONE ELSE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THE TURF. 
          YES. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT IS KIND OF A HOT BUTTON TOPIC AT COUNCIL MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE TIMES THAT IT'S COME UP. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I CAN APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO EASE THE MAINTENANCE AND, AND THE FRUSTRATION OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH IF THE WASTE OR SHELL GETS DUG IN OR, UM, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JUST EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES TO TURF, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, EITHER ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO PLAY LEAGUE GAMES ON TURF OR DOES THAT AFFECT THINGS OR? NO, IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S LIKE CARPET. 
          SO THE BALL STILL ROLLS AS FAST AS IF IT WASN'T, BUT I KNOW WHAT, UM, MARY MARYANNE HAD SAID ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, HARDER SURFACE. 
          YOU LIKE SPRAY SOMETHING OR MAKE IT HARDER. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. 
          I THINK ONE IS CALLED, UM, TEUS SOIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM . 
          BUT THEY'RE, IT'S CALLED A, A POLYMER STABILIZER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT BASICALLY CAN, IT CAN MAKE IT AS HARD AS ALMOST AS HARD AS ASPHALT. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE THAT HEART PACK SURFACE UNDERNEATH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE DISTURBED THAT MUCH BY, UH, ACTIVITIES OTHER THAN BOCCE BALL. 
          AND THE MAINTENANCE SHOULD ONLY INVOLVE JUST TOP DRESSING EVERY NOW AND THEN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF SURFACE ON THE TOP OF IT. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FROM UP ON THE COSTS OF ALL THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S A SUPER EXPENSIVE TREATMENT. 
          'CAUSE WE USED IT FOR LARGE AREAS, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, BUT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NO, THANK YOU JILL, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY I REALLY LIKE THE IDEAS OF BRINGING, UH, SPORTS. 
          'CAUSE THEY ARE SPORTS STILL TO BE ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT ASPECT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO BRING THAT TO US BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO MOVE THE BODY. 
          SO YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RELOCATING THOSE TWO TREES? HOW OLD ARE THOSE TREES WHERE I THINK THAT THEY'RE IN THE LOCATION OF THE HORSESHOE PIT, THE FUTURE HORSESHOE? WELL NOW, UH, THERE WEREN'T ANY TREES WHEN I, UM, PROPOSED THIS IN 2018. 
          BUT THE ROAD, I THINK I KNOW WHICH TREE, THE THREE, THE ROTARY CLUBS IN PETALUMA DECIDE TO PLANT TREES. 
          AND I SAID, YOU'RE PLANTING 'EM RIGHT WHERE THE BOCCE IS GONNA GO, BUT IT NEVER GOT AN ANY TRACTION, SO WE'LL 
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HAVE TO MOVE THOSE TWO TREES. 
          THAT, AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN PLANTED WITHIN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THE, WHERE THEY'RE BEING RELOCATED FROM. 
          UM, IS IT KIND OF WHERE THE STORAGE SHED? UH, WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHERE, UM, OH TWO RE I SEE WHAT HE HAS HERE. 
          UM, WHEN THEY DREW THIS, UM, ALL I KNOW IS THERE'S ONE, UM, THERE MIGHT BE ONE OVER. 
          I DON'T, I ONLY THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED AND IT'S RIGHT SMACK WHERE THE BOCCE COURT'S GONNA GO. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS SECOND ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          IN ADDITION TO THOSE TWO TREES THAT, THAT HE HAS ON THIS DRAWING, THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A GRILL HE'S GOT ON THIS, UM, WHICH DREW BROUGHT UP THE OTHER DAY THAT, UM, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S A, A GRILL. 
          DO YOU SEE THAT? WELL, THERE'S NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY GRILLS IS JUST BASED ON THE AGE OF THE TREES. 
          DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE RELOCATION WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR IS THERE PLANS TO MAYBE PLANT ANOTHER TREE, A NEW TREE? I'M, IS THAT A TREE EXPERT? I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR GROUP COULD, OF COURSE WE COULD DO COORDINATE WITH RELIEF? OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          MAYBE, OR MM-HMM . 
          SINCE WE PLANTED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF KIDS CLIMBING THAT TREE. 
          IF IT IS THE TREE THAT I'M THINKING OF, KIND OF OVER BY THE TENNIS COURTS, IT'S A SMALLER, IT'S NOT HUGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I JUST KNOW OF INTERACTED WITH QUITE A BIT. 
          I JUST KNOW OF ONE LOOKS LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE REDWOOD TREE RIGHT AT, IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT WHERE WE WOULD EXTEND THE, UM, HORSESHOE PITS FOR OUR BOCCE CORDS. 
          IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR TIME CHAIR. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. 
          I'VE GOT SOME WAITING PATIENTLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS RELATED TO THE BOCCE BALL COURTS? PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          I AM BACK, BUT, UM, I'LL TELL YOU, I, UH, RECENTLY SAW HOW THIS WORKED. 
          UH, I HAVE A, A VACATION PLACE UP AT LAKE ALMANOR AND THERE'S A BIG RECREATION AREA AND A LOT OF IT WAS JUST GRASS BECAUSE WE HAVE CONCERTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THERE, BUT THERE WERE TWO HORSE, 3, 4 4 HORSE HORSESHOE PITS, AND THEY WERE, WEREN'T GETTING MUCH USE. 
          SAME THING, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF INTERESTING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS UNTIL TODAY, THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING 'EM AS WE'RE TAKING OUT HORSESHOE PITS. 
          BUT, UM, WE TOOK OUT TWO OF THEM AND PUT IN BOCCE BALL COURTS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN A HUGE DRAW. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA, OF COURSE, RETIRE UP THERE. 
          SO THEY'RE OLDER. 
          AND IT IS A REALLY GREAT WAY TO MOVE AROUND, UM, AND DO SOMETHING WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT'S PHYSICAL, BUT NOT TOO PHYSICAL, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCESSIBLE TO THOSE PEOPLE. 
          AND, UM, MY DAUGHTER WORKS IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND SHE SAID, IF YOU SAW HOW MANY OLD PEOPLE COME IN HERE WITH PICKLEBALL INJURIES, YOU'D NEVER PLAY IT AGAIN. 
          SO, , I'M, I THINK HAVING BOCCE COURTS THERE WOULD BE A REALLY BIG ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK WOULD SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          SO IT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU, UH, JILL AND, AND THE ROTARY CLUB. 
          IF, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, AND I KNOW WE KIND OF M WE HAD SOME COMMENTS, UM, MINGLED IN WITH THE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, CHAIR, IF I COULD LOOK TO THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS CERTAINLY THAT WE WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING NOTES ON, BUT IF I COULD DO ONE MORE PASS, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OR ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED DETAILS, UM, WHEN THIS COMES BACK, UH, THAT WOULD HELP YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A, A BETTER INFORMED DISCUSSION AND A RECOMMENDATION. 
          WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          AND MINE WERE MOSTLY ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPLORING ALTERNATIVES TO TURF OR USING TRADITIONAL SURFACES FOR BOCCE. 
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UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, AND I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS, I MEAN, I'M GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION, BUT NOT I, UH, SPECIFICALLY IS WOULD THERE BE ANY NEED FOR SOME TYPE OF SHADE STRUCTURE AS PART OF THIS NEW AMENITY? I KNOW THERE'S TREES AROUND, BUT THAT AREA SEEMS LIKE IT'S QUITE OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED NONE OF US THOUGHT OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE ARE FOREVER FORGETTING SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          SO YES. 
          THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SUN LANDS AND EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          DO I RESPOND? YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER? WE'RE WE'RE JUST COLLECTING YEAH. 
          THAT THE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT UM, YEAH, WE CAN KIND OF PACKAGE THIS ALL AND WHEN WE BRING IT BACK. 
          YEP. 
          SHADE IS A POPULAR TOPIC. 
          IT'S, I THINK GENERALLY THAT AREA STAYS FAIRLY COOL OVERALL. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, DREW MIGHT KNOW BETTER. 
          YEAH, YOU, YOU'VE GOT, UH, WHAT WE CALL PICNIC AREA NUMBER TWO. 
          IT'S, UH, CORNER OF F AND, UH, HI BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, F AND 11TH. 
          AND, UM, THAT PROVIDES A, A REALLY MATURE SHADE CANOPY. 
          UM, IT EXTENDS BEYOND, IT'S KIND OF, WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING, BUT YEAH, IT, WE'RE LUCKY. 
          WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LOT OF SHADE IN, IN THAT, THAT PORTION OF THE PARK. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME NEWER PLANTINGS ALONG THE, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO PICNIC AREAS, BUT THOSE WILL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THOSE MATURE. 
          I, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I AM SO SUPPORTIVE OF TURNING AN AREA THAT IS SO UNDERUTILIZED INTO A, AN AGE-FRIENDLY, MULTI-GENERATIONAL. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SEE FAMILIES PLAYING TOGETHER. 
          I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, KIDS GETTING INVOLVED IN BOCCE BALL. 
          I CAN SEE ALL KINDS OF GROUPS UTILIZING THE SPACE. 
          SO I LOVE THIS IDEA. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, THE SHADE ISSUE, LIKE DREW SAID, THAT AREA HAS A REALLY MATURE GROVE RIGHT THERE OF THOSE REDWOOD TREES. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THE UMBRELLAS AT THE TABLE SO PEOPLE COULD KIND OF RETREAT TO THOSE SHADE AREAS. 
          UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND, UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY VOICED MY CONCERNS ABOUT TURF AND ALL OF THAT, SO I'LL LEAVE THE, UH, MY, JUST MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, GO AHEAD, BRENDA. 
          UH, I AM NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SPORT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT IS DIRECTLY UP TOTALLY. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE MAYBE DANGEROUS TO HAVE KIDS RUNNING AROUND IN, IN, UH, IN THAT SURFACE THAT MIGHT BE EXPOSED TO, TO EXTREME HEAT FROM, FROM THE SUN RAY. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND THERE'S A DANGER TO THAT. 
          I THINK YOU CAN, ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A BETTER SOLUTION, UH, FROM THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          I THINK THIS WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, ALEX. 
          OH, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT PRESENTATION, BECAUSE I'M GLAD TO SEE ROTARY TAKING AN ACT OF INTEREST IN IT. 
          AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WENT BACK TO 2018 SINCE YOU'VE BEEN TRYING THIS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE , APPRECIATE YOU STICKING ON IT FOR THAT LONG AND, AND WANTING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY THERE. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          OKAY, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ABOUT OUR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, I AM GOING TO 
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KICK US OFF HERE, AND, UM, I'M GONNA BE JOINED BY JEN SANTOS, UH, OUR SUPERINTENDENT OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. 
          AND I WANNA START BY SAYING, UM, WE, UH, I THINK IT WAS LAST SPRING, WE BROUGHT A OVERVIEW OF OUR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. 
          AND SO AT THAT POINT, THE, THE IDEA WAS TO PRESENT ALL 28, UH, PLAYGROUNDS WITHIN THE CITY PARK SYSTEM, UH, GIVE YOU GUYS AND THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY AN OVERVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, THE YEARS THEY WERE INSTALLED. 
          UH, ESSENTIALLY HOW, UH, THAT PROGRAM REPLACEMENT WORKED. 
          UM, AND THEN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK AS FAR AS, UM, PRIORITIZING SOME OF THE NEXT ROUNDS FOR, FOR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENTS. 
          SO WE, HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESSURE OFF. 
          UM, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A, A, A PARKS MASTER PLAN COMING, UH, WHICH WE'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT WE DO KNOW, UM, THERE ARE SOME PLAYGROUNDS THERE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN NEED OF, UH, EITHER STRUCTURE REPLACEMENTS OR REPAIRS. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO GET AHEAD WHEN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, TO HAVE A KIND OF A SHORT LIST OF THOSE PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE KNOW, UH, GARNER THOSE ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS OF A WHOLE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, NOT REPAIRS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, SO WE CAN PULL THE SLIDE BACK UP AND GET GOING HERE. 
          I THINK WE LOST IT. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE GOT FIVE, ESSENTIALLY FIVE PLAYGROUNDS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE LISTED THEM IN THE PRIORITY THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT WE INCLUDE IN REPLACEMENT. 
          THERE ARE NO HARD AND FAST RULES WHETHER WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE, WHETHER WE HAVE FIVE. 
          WE JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS A NUMBER WE FELT PRETTY GOOD ABOUT. 
          UM, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MASTER PLAN. 
          UH, I, I PUT IN THE UNIVERSE, UH, IMPLEMENTED, BUT WE KNOW THAT MASTER PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY COME WITH IMMEDIATE FUNDING. 
          SO HAVING OURSELVES READY DOING SOME OF THIS LEGWORK AHEAD OF THE MASTER PLAN IS, IS DEFINITELY IN OUR INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, BEING VERY TRANSPARENT WITH WHERE WE ARE. 
          OKAY, SO NEXT SLIDE HERE. 
          SO A AGAIN, UM, OUR 28 PLAYGROUNDS ARE SEPARATED INTO AGE GROUPS, WHICH IS A, UH, CALIFORNIA STATE REQUIREMENT. 
          SO ON THESE PLAY STRUCTURES, WE DESIGNATE THEM AS TWO TO 5-YEAR-OLD PLAY STRUCTURES, OR FIVE TO 12. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE MANY OF OUR PARKS HAVE BOTH. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS A CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          THE PROGRAM WAS FR FROZEN, UM, IN 2008 TO 2013 WHEN WE RESTARTED IT. 
          UM, AND WE WERE ON PACE TO REPLACE A PLAYGROUND EVERY THREE YEARS, TWO TO THREE YEARS, UH, WITH SOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, ESSENTIALLY BONDS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD INCUR. 
          UH, AND THEN THANKS TO OUR, OUR SONOMA COUNTY MEASURE M PARKS FOR ALL TAX, WE WERE ABLE TO START INCREASING THAT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE TO EVERY YEAR, WHICH ALLOWED US TO, UH, FINISH OUR LAST ROUND OF PRIORITIZED PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENTS, UH, IN 2024, I BELIEVE. 
          SO, UM, HERE WE ARE AND, UH, LET'S GET GOING. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, REAL QUICK, THIS IS JUST A LIST OF THE FIVE PLAYGROUNDS WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, IS IMPORTANT TO KIND OF SHOW YOU, UH, THE YEARS HERE ESTABLISHED. 
          BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A, UM, YOU KNOW, A GOOD CASE TO BE MADE FOR LEGHORNS HERE, AS YOU'LL HEAR IN A MOMENT, BUT REALLY INTERESTING. 
          UM, THE CITY BETWEEN 1994 AND SPECIFICALLY 1996, UM, I BELIEVE REPLACED SIX, SIX STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT. 
          SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME REAL PEAK OF EITHER REDEVELOPMENT FUNDS, UH, OR DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN, IN AROUND TOWN. 
          THAT WAS A BIG, BIG YEAR FOR PLAYGROUNDS 96. 
          UM, ANYWAY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, UH, LET'S GET GOING. 
          I'LL INTRODUCE JEN SANTOS TO KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH LEGHORNS PARK TOWER. 
          GO AHEAD, JEN. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU, DREW. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN SEE THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CALLING LEGHORNS TOWER . 
          IT'S KIND OF THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE, UH, ONE OF MANY PLAYGROUND AREAS AT LEGHORNS PARK. 
          AND WE'RE BRINGING THIS, UH, BEFORE YOU ON THE LIST TODAY. 
          IT IS A 21-YEAR-OLD, UH, PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE, AND IT'S DESIGNED IN A WAY, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, WHERE THE TOP IS ENCLOSED. 
          UH, IT CREATES A GREAT PLACE FOR, UM, ACTIVITY THAT'S UNWANTED TO HAPPEN. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON SOME OF THESE ON THE BLUE SLIDE TO THE LEFT, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WARNING SIGN ON THAT, NOT TO CLIMB IT. 
          AND, UM, ON THE GREEN SLIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED AS WELL AS STAFF HAS NOTICED 
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IS YOU CAN SEE A VERY STEEP 45. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY STEEP ANGLE COMING DOWN, A VERY SPIRALY, UH, SLIDE. 
          AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY DARK AT THE VERY TOP. 
          AND THEN AS YOU, AS YOU GO DOWN, IT GETS EVEN DARKER AND IT TENDS TO, UH, SHOOT YOU STRAIGHT OUT THE BOTTOM WHERE YOU'RE AN ADULT OR A CHILD. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ROUGH OF A, OF A PLAYGROUND. 
          AND, UH, IT IS, IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR. 
          UH, LEGHORNS, UH, IS A PLACE WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY. 
          THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER NEARBY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITIES AT THIS PARK, SO IT DOES ATTRACT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE YOUNGER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT GETS A, A LOT OF USE. 
          SO IT IS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING IT FOR, UH, REPLACEMENT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND ON THIS ONE, WE KIND OF GIVE YOU A VIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE INSIDE. 
          UM, THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GRAFFITI. 
          THIS WAS AN AREA WHERE OF WE FELT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAT WE COULD SHOW YOU SOME OF THE GRAFFITI CAN BE, UM, A LITTLE MORE OFFENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN. 
          THIS IS REALLY TALL . 
          IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET UP THERE AND PAINT OVER THAT AND MAINTAIN THOSE SPACES. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY DARK, SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO, UM, TO GET UP THERE ON THE PHOTO TO THE RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW DARK THAT SLIDE IS AT THE BEGINNING. 
          THAT'S THAT SPIRAL SLIDE. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE MAYBE IN THIS PICTURE THERE'S A BAR IN BETWEEN. 
          SO WHEN I CAME UP TO THE TOP OF THIS, I HAD TO CRAWL UNDERNEATH HERE, UM, TO, TO GET UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BLOCKING A AWAY AND IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME. 
          BUT MODERN, UH, PLAY TECHNOLOGY, YOU WANT AN ADULT OR GUARDIAN TO BE ABLE TO BE AT THE TOP WITH THE CHILD. 
          SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE AS AN ADULT TO USE THIS AS WELL. 
          SO YOU CAN GUIDE YOUR CHILD, UH, IN HERE, OR, UH, RESCUE THEM IF THEY'RE AT THE TOP, AS MY CHILD HAS NEEDED IN THE, IN THE PAST, NOT HERE AT THIS ONE, BUT SIMILAR ONES. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO, UH, REPLACE THIS LEGHORNS TOWER IN ADDITION TO THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT IS ON THIS, UH, VERY WELL LOVED, UH, TOWER. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO AT WEISSMAN PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A DISTANCE IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY GOOD CONSIDERING I BELIEVE THE LIST THAT I'VE DEVELOPED IS, IS OUR OLDEST PLAYGROUND, UH, AT 32 YEARS OLD. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS GOOD FROM FAR AWAY, EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU GET UP CLOSE, GEEZ, SORRY. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE SURFACES. 
          UM, THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THE, THE RUBBERIZED SURFACING IS COMING OFF. 
          AND WITH A LOT OF THESE OLDER PLAYGROUNDS WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING FUNDS REPLACING THOSE LITTLE PARTS AND IT STARTS TO ADD UP. 
          SO IT'S ANO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER REASON WHY WE DO WANT TO, UM, LOOK AT REPLACING THIS PARK, UH, BUILT IN 1994. 
          IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S OLDER THAN LEGHORNS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IN NEED OF, UM, A REFRESH AND A MODERNIZATION OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          THIS IS A LARGER PARK AS WELL THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS ON THE LIST. 
          SO IT, UH, ATTRACTS A LOT OF ATTENTION. 
          AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY WELL DESERVING OF A UPDATE AND REFRESH. 
          WE ARE ACTUALLY FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, WORKING, AND THIS IS ONE THING WE'LL BE RE I'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CREW TO ESTABLISH A SYSTEM OF POWER WASHING SOME OF OUR OLDER PLAYGROUNDS. 
          IT WILL HELP WITH THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PLAYGROUND TO AT LEAST WASH SOME OF, UM, SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THE DIRT AND THINGS OFF OF IT. 
          THE OLDER PLAYGROUNDS TEND TO ATTRACT AND HAVE DIRT STICK TO IT 'CAUSE IT'S JUST AN OLDER PRODUCT. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UH, WHILE WE GAIN FUNDING FOR REPLACING SOME OF THESE PLAYGROUNDS. 
          BUT, UM, I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT IT IS, IT'S ONE THAT'S DOING PRETTY GOOD, CONSIDERING ITS AGE, BUT IT IS, IS, UH, DEFINITELY TIME FOR AN UPDATE. 
          AND NEXT SLIDE. 
          I'LL TURN IT BACK TO DREW. 
          YOU GOT THIS ONE? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ALL THE FUN, JEN, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, SO MCDOWELL PARK, I IS LOCATED NEAR THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER OFF OF, UM, SOUTH MCDOWELL, UH, AT MARIA DRIVE ALSO IS A CONNECTOR FOR THAT STREET. 
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SO MC MCDOWELL PART, UH, COMES IN AT ABOUT 30 YEARS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE MID NINETIES REPLACEMENTS. 
          UH, SAME TYPE OF ISSUES THAT KIND OF JEN ADDRESSED HERE TOO. 
          UM, A LOT OF THOSE, UH, FOOTINGS THAT HAVE CONNECTORS ON THE DECK AND PLATFORMS ARE, UM, FAILING AND FINDING AND SOURCING PARTS FOR THESE PLAYGROUNDS ARE BECOMING, UM, NEAR TO IMPOSSIBLE. 
          UH, SO AS THEY BREAK DOWN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY HAVING TO REMOVE CERTAIN STRUCTURES AND LINKAGES WITHIN THE PLAYGROUND, UH, WHICH IS NOT, UM, EVER, UH, WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO BE DOING. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE HERE. 
          THE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THIS VOID IN THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A, A SMALLER STRUCTURE AT 1.2 THAT WAS REMOVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          SO WHAT'S INCREDIBLY EXCITING ABOUT MCDOWELL IS YOU'VE GOT PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGER FOOTPRINTS ALSO WHEN COMPARED TO, UM, LEGHORNS, UH, OF ANY OF THE PLAYGROUNDS. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ROOM TO WORK WITH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOP CHALLENGES THAT WE OFTEN SEE IN PETALUMA IS WE, WE REALLY LEANED INTO THESE, UM, RETAINING WALLS AT SOME POINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS, BUT, UM, EVERYONE, EVERY PLAYGROUND SEEMS TO HAVE 'EM, AND WE DON'T ADD BENCHES TO 'EM, WE JUST CAP 'EM OFF AND, AND WE, WE JUST LAY OUR CLAIM. 
          IT'S LIKE WE'RE BUILDING LITTLE MINI CASTLES. 
          UM, BUT THAT ASIDE, UM, THEY'RE COSTLY TO REMOVE OR, UH, SWITCH. 
          SO WE'RE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, SPACED WITH A CHOICE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU WORK WITH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE TRY TO DESIGN WITHIN THE FALL ZONES THERE. 
          SO MCDOWELL AGAIN, HAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO MOVE AND, AND PLACE STRUCTURES IN DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          THE SWING SET, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE HAVE TWO, TWO BAYS SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH IS ANOTHER FEATURE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE, AND TYPICALLY SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIDS ALWAYS RUN TO THE MIDDLE BAYS, UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY GET, THEY GET KNOCKED, UM, OUT BY FOLKS ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO SEE BAYS OF TWO, UM, NOW AND, AND AGAIN, UM, JUST SHOWING THOSE KIND OF FADED, UM, SIDING FEATURES THAT WE, WE ARE COSTLY TO REPLACE, BUT NEVER QUITE FIT. 
          AND LINE UP ON THE PICTURES TO THE RIGHT NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO JEN FOR EAGLE PARK. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANKS DREW. 
          AND SO, E EAGLE PARK, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY BIG, UH, PARK WITH A LOT OF TURF. 
          UH, THE PLAYGROUND, HOWEVER, IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT, UH, LIKE DREW AND I HAVE BEEN MENTIONING, THIS IS ANOTHER 30-YEAR-OLD, UH, PLAYGROUND, UM, IS DOING PRETTY GOOD. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF WEAR AND TEAR. 
          UM, ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE WITH EAGLE PARK, AND MAYBE IT'S SOME OTHER PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IS THIS ONE HAS PLAYGROUND SURFACES THAT, UM, ARE NO LONGER REALLY, UH, IN, IN USE. 
          UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPLIANCE WITH CODES, WE ARE REALLY LOOKING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS MORE BOUNCE IN IT, , SO TO SPEAK. 
          THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY I CAN SAY THAT. 
          UM, MORE FALL PROTECTION AS WE CALL IT. 
          UM, UH, ON THE, ON THE NERD SIDE, I WOULD SAY ON THE, ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE, UM,  MYSELF, THE NERD. 
          UM, SO, UH, THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, PADS THAT LEAD FROM THE CONCRETE OUT TO WHAT'S CALLED A TRANSFER STATION AT THE PLAYGROUND. 
          AND THOSE ARE IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE CAN HAVE A, UH, MID-LEVEL, UH, FIX FOR THIS PLAYGROUND IS TO REPLACE THE SAND WITH, UH, SOMETHING WE CALL FIVE BAR, WHICH IS THE MULCH IN THE PLAYGROUNDS, AND IT HAS REALLY GREAT FALL ATTENUATION, UH, AND, UM, BETTER THAN SAND AND REPLACE SOME OF THOSE PADS LEADING OUT TO THE PLAYGROUND CAN HELP ON THE INTERIM POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, BUT THE IDEA GIVEN THE AGE OF THIS PLAYGROUND IS TO COMPLETELY REPLACE IT AND, AND, AND BRING IN A MORE MODERN PLAYGROUND. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT BACK TO DREW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          KENNELWORTH PARK, UH, WITH THE MOST OF THIS COMMISSION IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF, UM, A KENWORTH PARK REVITALIZATION MASTER PLAN, UH, THAT WE, WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO, UM, PUT TOGETHER. 
          UM, WE DID EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, SEVERAL ROUNDS OF DESIGN, UM, WORKSHOPS. 
          AND WE LANDED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS A PLAN, NOT JUST FOR THE PARK, BUT REALLY INTEGRATED THE PARK WITH THE SURROUNDING FACILITIES AND THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO THAT'S THE SONOMA COUNTY LIBRARY THAT YOU SEE IN THE, THE BACKGROUND THERE, THE KENWORTH TEEN CENTER, KENILWORTH 
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DRIVE, UH, AND THE PARKING LOTS THAT SERVE THE, UH, AREA OF THE LIBRARY AND THE TEEN CENTER. 
          SO THAT PLAN IS REALLY, UH, ALIGNED WITH NOW THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE STARTING HERE IN NEXT MONTH. 
          UM, SO WE STILL WANNA HOLD THAT PLAN, UM, UP AND, UH, KEEP, UH, FOCUSED ON WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANNA SEE FOR THAT PLAYGROUND SPACE, WHICH DOES HAVE IT RELOCATING THIS PLAYGROUND TO BEGIN WITH. 
          SO THE PLAYGROUND'S LOCATED, UM, REALLY BECAUSE WE HAD, UM, EXISTING ELM TREES THAT WERE MATURE BEFORE. 
          SO THE, THE PLAYGROUND WAS BUILT AROUND WHERE THEY COULD PUT SHADE FROM THE ELDEN TREES, WHICH ARE NO LONGER THERE. 
          UM, AND SO THE SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE ISSUES WE HAVE AT THIS PARK, REALLY, WE HAVE A DESIGN THAT THAT HAS US RELOCATING ON PLAYGROUND ALTOGETHER. 
          HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT LIKELY GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE FISCAL YEARS. 
          SO WHAT DO, WHAT KIND OF THINGS CAN WE DO IN THE INTERIM, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY IMPORTANT PART, UM, STILL CONTINUES TO SEE SOME USE AND SEE SOME USE THAT'S DONE SAFELY. 
          SO, NEXT SLIDE HERE, . 
          YEP. 
          MAYBE GO BACK ONE MORE THEN. 
          SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'LL POINT OUT, UM, FOR THIS PARK IN THE LOSS OF THOSE SHADE TREES IS REALLY THE SHADE. 
          UM, THIS PARK DESPERATELY NEEDS IT. 
          UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE, UM, PICNIC AREAS ON THIS AREA. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT ON THE BACKGROUND. 
          UM, BUT THE PRIORITIES HERE FOR THIS PLAYGROUND IS THE SURFACES, THE SAND SURFACES THAT JEN SPOKE TO, UM, AND THE SHADE. 
          THOSE ARE TWO AREAS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE FOCUSING ON. 
          UM, AND WHY WE'VE PRIORITIZED KENNELWORTH, UH, ON THIS LIST. 
          IT'S ALSO, UH, IN THAT, UH, CLASS OF 96 THAT, THAT 30-YEAR-OLD, UM, PLAYGROUND, UH, REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT JUST GENERAL KIND OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE SAME TYPES OF ISSUES THAT WE SEE. 
          THE, THE PLATFORMS, UM, AND THE, THE FOOTINGS THAT ARE HOLDING SOME OF THE, UM, THE STRUCTURES TOGETHER. 
          AND WE'VE LOST JEN, BUT NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP ROLLING. 
          ALL RIGHT, KAT, YOU GOT THIS? NO JOKING . 
          UM, JUST TO ROUND IT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CHECK-IN WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, WE KNOW THESE, THESE CHALLENGES AREN'T GONNA GO AWAY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS TO GET SOME INPUT ON, HEY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'VE MISSED? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE US HIGHLIGHT WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK INTO ACTUAL PROJECTS? UM, AND THERE'S, AGAIN, THERE'S MANY MORE PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE ARE NOT MENTIONED, UM, BUT WE REALLY ARE HOPING TO GET, UM, SOME FEEDBACK, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S EITHER SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT, HEY, THESE ARE THE FIVE PLAYGROUNDS THAT REALLY RISE TO THE TOP FOR US, UM, BUT NOT GET, SO, UH, STUCK ON WHICH ONE'S NUMBER THREE OR FOUR. 
          IT, IT REALLY, UH, YOU COULD MAKE A GOOD CASE FOR ALL OF THESE FOR REASONS. 
          OKAY. 
          BACK TO YOU CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS DREW. 
          AND JEN, UH, SHALL WE GO DOWN THE LINE? ONE, LET'S START AT THIS END NOW. 
          HOW ABOUT STACY? FIRST? UM, YOU WANT JUST CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FIRST OR DO YOU WANT COMMENTS TOO? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I KNOW THAT ALL THE PARKS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED ARE IMPORTANT. 
          THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THE MCDOWELL PARK DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTROOMS. CAN I SEE A LOT OF MOMS WAITING FOR THE KIDS, UH, TO GET OUTTA SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM BECAUSE BY THE TIME ONE CHILD GETS OUTTA, UH, SCHOOL, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE OTHER CHILD FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, AND MOMS ARE THERE WAITING FOR THEM. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT AS A PRIORITY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
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YES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. 
          WE HAD, UH, SOME PARKS IN THE CITY WITH A SIMILAR IN SAN FRANCISCO WHERE THERE WERE NO RESTROOMS AND YOU KNOW, THE KIDS, I MEAN, THE PARENTS WERE TAKING THE KIDS INTO THE BUSHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, STACY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, DO YOU WANT CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? UH, WHY DON'T WE START OUT WITH QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL DO COMMENTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, QUESTION, UM, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT KENNELWORTH. 
          YOU HAD MADE REFERENCE TO IT. 
          I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONSIDERED PART OF THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN, OR IF YOU'RE WAITING ON THE MASTER. 
          UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT ? YES, IT IS. 
          IT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO RE REMASTER PLAN KENNELWORTH PARK. 
          UM, BUT WHAT NOW HAS HAPPENED IS THE, THE KENNELWORTH PARK MASTER, OR SORRY, THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN IS, IS, IS GOING, IT'S READY TO GO. 
          UM, RFP WAS ISSUED, I THINK WE'RE GONNA AWARD, UH, NEXT MONTH OR IN A FEW WEEKS. 
          UM, WHAT WE HEARD RESOUNDLY THROUGH THAT WAS WE, WE STARTED WITH THE PARK AND, AND THE LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT FEEDBACK WAS TO INTEGRATE MORE OF THE PROPERTY, MORE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON KENWORTH DRIVE, THE LIBRARY, THE TEEN CENTER. 
          AND SO WHAT'S REALLY GREAT ABOUT THAT MASTER PLAN IS IT'S MORE THAN THE PARK, BUT THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY DOES INCLUDE, UM, KENWORTH PARK, THE LIBRARY, THE, THE PARKING, UM, TEEN CENTER, ET CETERA. 
          SO HOW WE GET TO CONSTRUCT IT, HOW WE GET TO BUILD, HOW DO WE GET TO MOVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE, UM, PRESENTED AT A TIME WITH THAT MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO THE, THE CONSTRUCTABILITY IS LINKED TO THAT PROJECT, AND THE TIMING IS ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA FOR THE PARK. 
          UM, BUT HOW DO YOU BUILD IT AND HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADS ALL SYNC WITH THE, WITH THE FAIRGROUND MASTER PLAN? SO IF IT'S PART OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, IF IT'S TECHNICALLY PART OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, THEN UM, IT'S GONNA SOUND LIKE A DUMB THING. 
          BUT THEN IS THE FAIRGROUNDS POT OF MONEY GOING TO PAY FOR KENNELWORTH TO BE REDONE? OR IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONEY GOING TO PAY FOR KENNELWORTH TO BE DONE? BECAUSE WHAT AREN'T THOSE TWO? WELL, IT'S, NO, IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL PUBLIC FUNDS. 
          IT'S ALL PUBLIC FUNDS. 
          OH, NO, I, I KNOW THAT. 
          BUT DO YOU GUYS, UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MY QUESTION? LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU WOULDN'T TAKE MONEY FROM PARKS AND REC TO PAY FOR THE FAIR, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, ARE THOSE TWO THINGS SEPARATE, OR ARE THEY MERGED BECAUSE IT'S ALL UNDER PARKS AND REC? WELL, THERE'S FUNDING TO COMPLETE A FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN. 
          THERE'S REALLY THE, THE FUNDING TO BUILD COMES AFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY REALLY GETS TO DECIDE AND WEIGH IN ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE OF HOW AND WHAT SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY ASSETS WE WANNA SEE, AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR THOSE? AND YOU FIND THAT BALANCE WITH, UM, WHAT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP ON THE SITE. 
          BUT PAYING FOR IT IS A, IS AN ANNUAL EXERCISE WHERE YOU GET TO LOOK AT ALL YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS EVERY YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THE POCKETS OF MONEY I DON'T SEE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, PUBLIC MONEY THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          UNLESS WE GET GRANTS, WHICH WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I THINK IT, I THINK IT MORE HAD TO DO WITH LIKE, UM, I THINK PROBABLY HOW THE COMMUNITY SEES IT, RIGHT? SO LIKE THE COMMUNITY MIGHT SEE, UM, OR WHEN THERE'S DECISIONS BEING MADE ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          IF KENNELWORTH PARK IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THEN THE COMMUNITY COULD SAY, OH, WITHIN THE FAIRGROUNDS WE WANT TO BUILD KENNELWORTH PARK. 
          AND DOES THAT THEN BUMP IT UP ON A CERTAIN TIMELINE COMPARED TO WHEN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SEPARATE, BUT SORT OF SEPARATE THIS TIMELINE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MY QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ONE. 
          UM, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT REALLY HELPED US DO A MASTER PLAN FOR KENNELWORTH PARK IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, UM, THE, THE WHOLE AREA IN THE MID TIME AREA IS REALLY DEFICIENT IN, IN DEVELOPED PARKLAND AND AMENITIES. 
          UM, AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY SITE CONTROL OF WHAT WAS OCCURRING ON THEIR FAIRGROUND PROPERTY. 
          SO KENWORTH PARK WAS OUR, WAS OUR, UM, OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND NOW I THINK IT ELEVATES THE PROFILE OF KENWORTH. 
          IT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA CARE MORE 
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ABOUT BEING PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU GET TO REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL IN, IN PLANNING CIVIC SPACES, COMMUNITY SPACES, WHICH ALSO INCLUDE THE SWIM CENTER AND THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY, IT'S AN EXCITING MOMENT TO MAKE ALL THAT WORK TOGETHER AND SEEM THOUGHTFUL. 
          UM, AND HOW YOU PAY FOR IT AGAIN, IS, UM, YOU GET PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AND GET PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, AND THEN THEY GET TO DECIDE THOSE TRADE-OFFS. 
          UM, LAST QUESTION ABOUT KENNELWORTH. 
          SO THEN, IS KENNELWORTH PARK GOING TO BE LISTED ON THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN OR ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE SEPARATE OR IS IT ON? YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, CAN THE, THE STRATEGIC PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN IS NOT GONNA GO THROUGH AND MASTER PLAN EACH 48 PARKS, RIGHT? THAT'S INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE IN A LONG ENDEAVOR. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO IS, KENWORTH, WE GOT TO DO THAT. 
          WE GOT TO BASICALLY MASTER PLAN THAT PART. 
          UM, SO THAT TO ME IS, IS INCREDIBLE. 
          YOU ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE SAME OUTREACH THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          UM, THE INITIAL SITE CONSTRAINTS, THE MULTIPLE ROUNDS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GREAT NEWS. 
          AND THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS GETS TO USE SOME OF THAT OUTREACH, USE SOME OF THAT, UH, LESSONS LEARNED AND THEN JUMP OFF OF IT TO HELP SAY, OKAY, WELL TO MAKE THIS WORK, WHAT, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE ON THIS SIDE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY? UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN LEVER, LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS CAN LEVERAGE KENNELWORTH PARK BASICALLY, IS HOW I LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE THAT IT'S ABLE TO LEVERAGE IT, BECAUSE I WOULD SAY OF ANY, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO MY COMMENT, NEVERMIND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SAVE IT FOR LATER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION, UM, WITH, UH, LEGHORNS I IS THE PLAN TO REPLACE THE SLIDES WITH MORE SLIDES. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN. 
          UM, IT WOULD NOT BE, AND JEN, I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE A START OVER WITH THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THE SLIDES AND THE PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO REPLACE ANY OF THOSE SLIDES. 
          I THINK THE, THE MANUFACTURER'S BEEN BOUGHT OUT A COUPLE TIMES, AND SO WE STRUGGLE TO REPLACE THOSE SLIDES. 
          SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A REDESIGN OF THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE. 
          BUT, BUT JEN, GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, I WANNA HEAR FROM YOU. 
          UH, I AGREE WITH YOU DREW THE, TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT SLIDE. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT. 
          AND SO IF WE REALLY DID NEED TO CLOSE IT, WE'D HAVE TO, UM, REMOVE, REMOVE THE SLIDE. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE TOWER. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          BUT I, I WANTED TO KNOW, DO YOU PLAN TO REPLACE IT WITH MORE SLIDES? WELL DE DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST IS, BUT UM, YEAH, GENERALLY WE DON'T WANNA TAKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY AWAY, SO WE'LL BALANCE IT WITH THE OTHER, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER, UM, PLAYGROUND AREAS RIGHT AROUND THIS TOWER, SO WE'LL BALANCE IT WITH WHAT'S, UH, WHAT IS IN THOSE OTHER PLACES AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT WAS ALL OF MY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, ALEX. 
          NO, THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I WAS WONDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT IN THE KNOW, LIKE YOU ARE DREW, BUT ARE THERE PLAYGROUND COMPANIES THAT EMPHASIZE ON MORE NATURAL MATERIALS FOR CONSTRUCTION? YEAH, CERTAINLY. 
          UM, UM, I KNOW JEN'S FAMILIAR WITH A FEW AS WELL. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S DRAWBACKS TO BOTH. 
          UM, SOME SITES ARE MORE FAVORABLE TO 'EM THAN OTHERS. 
          UH, SOME ARE REALLY CREATIVE TOO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE EARTH SCAPE AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW PUT REALLY CUSTOM DESIGN TIMBER STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE ARTWORK THAT YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN. 
          UH, AND THERE'S SOME OTHERS THAT REALLY HAVE GONE BACK TO METAL. 
          I'LL SAY IT, METAL SLIDES ARE COMING BACK, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE JUST, UH, MORTIFIED FOR IF YOU'VE EVER SCORCHED YOURSELF AS A CHILD, WHICH I HOPE EVERYONE HAS. 
          UM, I KNOW. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT IS INTERESTING. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT LONGEVITY, UH, AND SOME SITES, YOU KNOW, UM, IN, IN OUR CLIMATE, UH, IN PETALUMA, PRETTY HARSH IN CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTS WHERE YOU GET REAL BIG TEMPERATURE SWINGS, YOU GET SALT IN THE AIR AND SALINITY. 
          SO SOMETIMES THAT WOOD DOESN'T HOLD UP, UM, AS GOOD IN CERTAIN AREAS AS OTHERS. 
          BUT JEN, MAYBE YOU HAVE A COUPLE IN YOUR SHORT LIST OF ONES THAT HAVE HELD UP AND STOOD THE TEST 
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OF TIME. 
          SURE. 
          I, I THINK YOU REALLY TOUCHED ON, ON THOSE. 
          THERE'S, UH, DEFINITELY, UH, AN AREA FOR ALL WOODEN AND METAL TYPE. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE WELL LOVED AND, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          AND, UH, THOSE ARE GREAT. 
          SOME OF THE LATEST PLAY THEORY IS COMBINING MAYBE A MORE TRADITIONAL TYPE OF PLAY STRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S WOOD OR METAL OR PLASTIC WITH, UM, BOULDERS AND PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT NEARBY SO THAT THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CHILD CAN HAVE A DIVERSE, UM, EXPERIENCE AS THEY'RE PLAYING. 
          AND SOME LIKE TO PLAY IN THE SHRUBS AND, UH, ON THE ROCKS, AND THEN THEY CAN GO OVER TO THE PLACE. 
          SO, SO BALANCING, UH, SOME OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL WITH MAYBE MORE NATURAL IS, IS DEFINITELY A TREND AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF'S NOT JUST CONSIDERING, BUT LOOKING AND GOING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION? WE, WE KIND OF TAKE IT ON A CASE BY CASE, UH, BASIS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT EAGLE PARK FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY A LOT OF NATURAL SHADE CANOPY THERE. 
          BUT, UM, ONE STRUCTURE, WELL, TWO STRUCTURES, BUT ONE THAT WOULD, IN MY MIND, RIGHT, YOU COULD REPLACE WITH SOMETHING COMPLETELY KIND OF BLENDING INTO THAT, KIND OF LEANING INTO THAT NATURAL SCAPE. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE, UH, IN INTENT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THAT, UM, AT LEGHORNS, YOU KNOW, YOU'D LOOK, YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU'D SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A, A PIECEMEAL NOT HOLISTIC PARK DESIGN. 
          UH, SO I, I, I THINK WE WOULD LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO, TO DO THAT AND SEE WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR REGION. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY, THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS NOW THAN THERE, THERE WAS EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          AND THEN, UM, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF COMPONENTS AND FEATURES DO STAFF CONSIDER? AND I KNOW EACH PARK'S DIFFERENT AND DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS AND STUFF, BUT WHAT SORT OF COMPONENTS ARE, ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING DESIGNING A NEW PLAYGROUND? UH, THERE'S SOME KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THIS IS GONNA, THIS IS GONNA SOUND REALLY FUNNY AND SIMPLE, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHAT'S TRULY LOOKED AT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UM, SLIDING CLIMBING, UM, SOMETHING CALLED BRA WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE MONKEY BARS AND YOU'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND SWINGING YOUR BODY. 
          UM, UH, AND, UM, BALANCING, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY INCORPORATE, UH, KEY FEATURES FOR, FOR YOUTH, SO THAT THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF WAYS TO MOVE IN THE SPACE. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE ARE YOUTH, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET USED TO THEIR BODIES AS THEY'RE GROWING, AND IT'S KIND OF NICE FOR THEM TO CHALLENGE AND CLIMB AND SWING AND UH, SLIDE. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE, UH, VERY BASIC ELEMENTS TO, IF WE CAN INCLUDE, I, AS DREW WAS MENTIONED AT LEGHORNS, IT'S, THERE'S QUITE A VARIETY OF, OF, OF DIFFERENT PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE'D WANT TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS THERE, WHAT CAN WE ADD TO, UH, REALLY ROUND OUT THE PLAY EXPERIENCE AND EAGLE PARK WHERE IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A, A A ONE AREA. 
          UH, THAT'S ONE WHERE WE REALLY CAN INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE IN THAT PLAY ELEMENT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE BASICS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, DREW, IF YOU ANYTHING TO ADD ? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, SO, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN NERD OUT HERE AND TALK ABOUT KIND OF LIKE ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, DEVELOPMENT PHILOSOPHY AROUND PLAY AND WHY PLAYGROUNDS ARE SO IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE TWO TO FIVE. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL PLAY ON FIVE TO 12 STRUCTURES, LET'S BE HONEST. 
          UM, BUT, BUT WHEN WE DO SURVEYS, AND WE'VE DONE SO MANY OF THESE, UH, AND IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING, YOU ALWAYS GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS IN THE WRITE-INS, RIGHT? IT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL. 
          EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO UNIQUE, BUT IF YOU PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER, YOU'RE ALMOST ALWAYS GONNA GET THE TOP THREE IS ALWAYS, WE WANT SWINGS, WE WANT TO CLIMB SOMETHING AND WE WANNA SLIDE. 
          AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THAT ORDER. 
          UM, BUT THE SWINGS TAKE A LOT OF A FALL ZONE. 
          YOU REALLY HAVE MORE THAN YOU EVER WOULD THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS A DISTANCE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE SWINGS WITHOUT GIVING UP A LOT OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS OF A PLAYGROUND. 
          UM, SO THEN IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT IS THAT MOTION, THAT SWINGING MOTION THAT MAYBE WE COULD SLIDE IN AND DO SOMETHING OVER HERE, OVER THERE? UM, BUT IF YOU WERE TO ASK US, HEY, WHAT BUILD THE PERFECT PLAYGROUND WITH NO SPACE, YOU BETTER HAVE SWINGING, YOU BETTER HAVE CLIMBING FEATURES AND YOU BETTER HAVE SLIDES. 
          UM, BUT THEN THE REST IS, IS JUST BONUSES IF YOU CAN GET ANYTHING ELSE IN IT. 
          UM, 
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YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY TAKE TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS ALEX. 
          UM, ONE THING ABOUT NATURAL PLAY, NATURALISTIC OR PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT'S SORT OF AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE PLASTICS, MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT MOUNTAIN LAKE PARK IN SAN FRANCISCO. 
          WE DID A PLAYGROUND THERE WITH A LOT OF WOOD WOODEN FEATURES. 
          IT'S MIXED IN WITH SOME METAL SLIDES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, IT WAS KIND OF A DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE, UH, STYLE OF PLAYGROUND FOR US THERE. 
          BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. 
          SO, UM, THEN DO YOU, WHEN THAT WAS INSTALLED, PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE . 
          YEAH, IT WAS THE MOMS THAT PUT, GOT ALL THE MONEY TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO YOU EVER SET ASIDE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING OUT PLAYGROUNDS, DO YOU TAKE THOSE SLIDES AND OTHER PARTS AND SET THEM ASIDE SO THAT YOU CAN USE THEM FOR REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR OTHER PLAYGROUNDS THAT MAY HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT? OR DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT? 1994 WAS POPULAR. 
          YEAH. 
           PUT 'EM IN A VINTAGE. 
          UH, I MEAN, SOME OF IT'S PROBABLY SALVAGEABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP ANY SLIDES. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OUR STALLED PROGRAM FOR SO LONG, WE WERE, I THINK THE CREWS WERE JUST CELEBRATING THE FACT THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE THESE ON TO THE AFTERLIFE THERE. 
          WERE SAVING SOME OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE VINTAGE, UH, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED ROCKERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN THOSE AND THEY'RE ALL, UM, ALL THE METALS KIND OF FRAYED IN THE BEGINNING WHERE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY HITTING OR ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO THEY WERE SAVING THOSE FOR A WHILE. 
          SO WE PROBABLY GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE LYING AROUND. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          . 
          I WILL, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, ACTUALLY, SINCE UM, THE CHAIR BROUGHT IT UP, COULD, COULD WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SELLING OLD PARKS AS SURPLUS, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT TO HELP GENERATE SOME MORE MONEY FOR THE DEPARTMENT? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I FEEL, UH, IT'S A, I MEAN, WE'LL LOOK AT ANY, WE'LL GET CREATIVE IN SELLING OR SURPLUS, UM, ANYTHING WE JUST HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR STUFF HAS BEEN SO OLD, UM, OR UNUSABLE THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST BEEN A LIABILITY ON US TO BE TAKEN OUT. 
          BUT IF WE EVER GET TO THAT POINT OR THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SWITCHING AROUND, UM, SOMETHING THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THOSE VINTAGE FEATURES OR EVEN THE METAL STRUCTURES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT BEFORE REMOVING THAT. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO REPURPOSE WHERE WE CAN. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH, I'M SURE SOMEONE WOULD WANT THE TOWER IF IT, IF THAT GOES UP. 
          . 
          THAT'S A SIGN OF WAIVER THOUGH. 
          . 
          HOLD HARMLESS. 
          BRENDA, DO YOU THINK CAN WORK? I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE KENNELWORTH PARK. 
          UM, I ALSO THOUGHT THE SAME THING AS YOU DID, I, I CANNOT SEE YOUR NAME, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE PARK WAS ALSO PART OF THE PROPERTY OF THE, OF THE FAIR, THE LIBRARY AND THE TEEN CENTER. 
          YES. 
          UM, ALL CITY PROPERTY, ALL ALL PUBLIC LANDS. 
          UM, THE LIBRARY IS A COUNTY BRANCH, BUT IT'S ON A LEASE WITH SONOMA COUNTY. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO CITY PROPERTY. 
          UM, YES. 
          ALL ALL CITY PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN PETALUMA FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AND I FEEL THAT THAT PARK, UM, THAT THERE ARE OTHER PARKS THAT HAVE A LOT MORE POTENTIAL. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MAINLY USE THAT PARK ARE 
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PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE CENTER AND THEY HAVE EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES THERE. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SPENDING TIME THERE. 
          I GO BY THERE A LOT OF TIMES AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF KIDS PLAYING IN THAT PARK. 
          AND THIS IS REGARDING KENNELS WORTH PARK. 
          I THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          I, I WOULD AGREE. 
          I THINK, UH, IF, IF IT WERE, UH, ENTICING AND SAFE, UH, I THINK IT OFFERS US A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE GATHER THERE. 
          UM, BUT AGREE RIGHT NOW, UM, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE AND THAT'S REALLY SAD TO US ALL. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS THESE SPACES ARE SUPER IMPORTANT AND THE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABILITY DOWN TO THE, EVEN THE D STREET, SMART STATION, UM, ALL OF IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S A REALLY, UH, HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL. 
          YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, BUT I DO BELIEVE, AND THIS IS JUST BY OPINION, THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHADE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE. 
          I AGREE. 
          KATE. 
          UM, I, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, KENNELWORTH IS LIKE MY PASSION PROJECT, SO I WAS, I DON'T LIKE SEEING ON IT ON THIS LIST BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO HAVE HOPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE FUNDING FOR THIS GIANT REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          BUT, UM, I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY IT IS ON THE LIST BECAUSE OF THE POOR CONDITION AND NO ONE USES IT AS IS NOW. 
          SO, UM, KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WERE TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO KENNELWORTH IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I KNOW IT IS FIFTH ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S STILL BEING ON THE LIST AND THE POSSIBILITY OF FUNDING NOT COMING THROUGH ANYTIME SOON. 
          UM, ARE THERE OPTIONS FOR TEMPORARY THINGS THAT CAN BE REUSED IN OTHER SPACES, SUCH AS SHADE? YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS PUT UP AT KENNELWORTH, THEN COULD WE REUSE IT AT A DIFFERENT PARK? I JUST WISH THAT WE OR WANT TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN NOT PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO KENNELWORTH WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LOST. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE LIST OF FIVE PARKS, I REALLY FEEL LIKE FOCUSING ON THE TOP THREE MIGHT BE A BETTER USE OF, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL FIVE COULD REALLY USE, UM, SOME FUNDS. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO EACH PROJECT AND THEY TAKE SO MUCH TIME, SO MANY RESOURCES, SO MUCH STAFF TIME. 
          SO, UM, FIVE SEEMS LIKE A, A LOT TO ME. 
          UM, THREE SEEMS LIKE A MORE COMFORTABLE NUMBER TO THROW IDEAS AND WEIGHT AND TIME AND RESEARCH BEHIND, BUT THAT'S JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT LENGTH OF TIME THIS IS, UM, MEANT TO ACCOUNT FOR, I GUESS WITHOUT A PARKS MASTER PLAN. 
          WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT DREW AND KIND OF WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH, NO, THOSE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          UH, I MEAN, YOU REALLY KIND OF HIT ON IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT THREE YEARS OUTLOOK. 
          WE REALLY, REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, RIGHT, WE SHOULD KNOW WHERE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS HEADED. 
          WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CERTAINTY ON FUNDING. 
          WE'VE GOT A REAUTHORIZATION OF THE SONOMA COUNTY PARKS MEASURE M UM, THAT IS SET TO, UM, UH, GO OUT TO VOTERS LIKELY IN NOVEMBER FOR REAUTHORIZATION. 
          IT EXPIRES IN 2029. 
          UM, BUT UH, I MEAN, THESE ARE THE TIMES YOU DO IT, YOU GO OUT AND REAUTHORIZE IT BEFORE IT EXPIRES. 
          SO THAT WILL ADD SOME CERTAINTY ON THE FUNDING PICTURE. 
          UM, 
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SO I THINK THREE YEARS IS FAIR. 
          UM, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, FOR KENNELWORTH, IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY PARKS ON THOSE LISTS THAT DO QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THOSE GRANTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU ALWAYS WANNA KEEP THOSE ON A LIST SOMEWHERE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES TOO IS, UM, LIKE EAGLE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM, RIGHT, TO ADD SOME LONGEVITY, ADD SOME SAFETY FEATURES. 
          BUT THEN THERE ARE THINGS LIKE IN LEGHORNS CASE WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          WE JUST KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING THINGS AND NOT LIKELY REPLACING THEM. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, UM, STRATEGIC TO, TO HONE IN ON KIND OF YOUR TOP THREE. 
          UM, SO APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. 
          IS THE LIST BASED ON HIGHEST NEED OF, I MEAN, WE SAW AGE AND USE AND REPAIR AND UM, OR HAVE WE FACTORED INTO LIKE WHAT ARE SOME SMALL FIXES THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE? IS THAT WEIGHTED AT ALL ON THE LIST OR IS IT JUST KIND OF BASED ON A CONDITION AND AGE? AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST SPRING, BUT I, I'M JUST YEAH. 
          FAILING TO REMEMBER A YEAR AGO. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, MORE SO LESS ON AGE, ACTUALLY, RIGHT? UH, YOU KIND OF GO IN WITH A BLANK SLATE, BUT, UM, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING THERE NOW, OUR, OUR ABILITY TO SOURCE PARTS IS A BIG THING TO DO WITH IT. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE SEE SOMETHING GLARING, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. 
          UM, BUT OUR OPTIONS ARE LIMITED IN SOME OF THE OLDER STRUCTURES, WHICH TO, THAT JUST MEANS WE CLOSE IT OR REMOVE IT ON SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS. 
          UM, WHERE YOU CAN ADD THOSE KIND OF TRANSITIONAL ELEMENTS OR SAND SURFACES YOU CAN REPLACE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, BUT NOT GOING IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, THEN MAYBE IT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT TO DO THIS TO, TO REPLACE THE SAND WITH THE WOOD FIBER. 
          BUT IF IT'S NUMBER ONE ON YOUR LIST, IT'S, IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          YOU WANNA SAVE THAT MONEY FOR WHEN YOU CAN REPLACE THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, SO IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT SAFETY'S ALWAYS GONNA BE NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE LIABILITY IS CLOSE THERE TOO. 
          UM, BUT THE EQUITY'S A BIG PART TOO, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR, IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WHEN WE REPLACE THESE PLAYGROUNDS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REPLACED A PLAYGROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE VOID IN THOSE EXPERIENCES, YOU KNOW, DESERVE PLAY SPACES. 
          AND SO, UH, WE LOOK AT THOSE, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID LAST SPRING, IS WE LOOKED AT ALL OF OUR 28 AND SEE WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED ON THESE, THESE TOP FIVE. 
          YEAH, IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW, . 
          AND I DO REMEMBER THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT KENNELWORTH MADE THE LIST WAS BECAUSE OF, UM, PROXIMITY TO LOW INCOME HOUSING AND ACCESS TO OTHER PARKS IN THE AREA. 
          THERE JUST ISN'T. 
          SO, YES. 
          SO IT'S ALL COMING BACK. 
          THANK YOU, DREW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DO WE WANT TO HAVE COMMENTS NOW? ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? DO PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? COMMENT, IF YOU, SHOULD I GO COMMENT? IF WE WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE YOU DROP A SPEAKER CARD AND YOU, WE'D LOVE TO OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM DEANNA. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SEEMED VERY OFFICIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST TO KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE I GET TO HEAR ABOUT PARKS ONE, I GO TO KENILWORTH WITH MY DOG, AND ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE DON'T GO OVER THERE, AS YOU KNOW, IS IT'S FLOODED IN THE PARK AREA. 
          UM, BUT ALSO JUST EVEN WALKING TO THAT PLAYGROUND IS DANGEROUS. 
          THERE ARE, IT IS THE MOST UNEVEN PARK AND WE HAVE A LOT OF UNEVEN PARKS, BUT IT'S SCARY TO GET TO THE PICNIC TABLES, EVEN . 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY LIKE, IT'S JUST SCARY FOR EVERYBODY, ADULTS AND KIDS ALL AROUND. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT REDOING PARKS IS, ARE ALL OF THESE PARKS MEANT TO BE JUST FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR ANY OF OUR PARKS CONSIDERED DESTINATION PLAYGROUNDS? LIKE, YOU KNOW, A HOGWORTH IN SANTA ROSA IS A DESTINATION PLAYGROUND VERSUS JUST YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUND. 
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AND IF YOU DO WANT PEOPLE TO TRAVEL BETWEEN PARKS, IT'D BE REALLY COOL IF YOU GUYS COULD THINK ABOUT IN YOUR FUTURE WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE BIG PARK PLAN, A WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE THE PARKS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, I WANNA GO OVER TO THAT ONE. 
          'CAUSE THAT ONE HAS ABOUT ANIMALS, AND I WANNA GO TO THAT ONE BECAUSE IT HAS NATURE. 
          AND THEN ALSO FOR THE KENWORTH ONE, IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE CUBBIES THERE BECAUSE IF KIDS JUST GOT THEIR BOOKS OUT OF THE LIBRARY AND YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON THOSE ROUNDED THINGS, THEY FALL INTO THE WATER AND IT'S HORRIBLE FOR BOOKS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALSO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN THE PLAN, THE NEW PLAN FOR KENNELWORTH PARK TO LOOK THAT UP ONLINE. 
          I THINK THE PLANS ARE ONLINE, IT HAS A, SHOWS THE LAYOUT, THE NEW LAYOUT, AND, AND IT'S A REALLY GREAT, UH, BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. 
          I THINK THAT WILL BE LIKE THE GATEWAY FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AND REALLY BRING PEOPLE IN. 
          SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF YOU GET A CHANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE, UM, COMMENTS NOW. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH STACY AGAIN. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE GETTING BACK TO ME FOR MY YEARS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO, UH, COMMENTS WOULD BE, UM, AT LEGHORNS, UH, I SUSPECT YOU WILL GET A TON OF PUSHBACK IF YOU DON'T REPLACE THE SLIDES WITH SLIDES JUST FOREWARNED IT WILL COME. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON IS, IS, UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR NOT YOUNG, BUT LIKE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE AND 12 IS BIG DEVELOPMENTALLY. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE CHILDREN, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO TO PARENTS EXPLAIN YOU, BUT IT IS HUGE. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT KIDS OLDER THAN 12 SHOULD BE ALLOWED ON PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S BS THAT THEY ARE NOT TEENS NEED TO A, A PLACE TO PLAY. 
          OUR TEENAGERS HERE, I WILL SAY IT FOR THE UMPTEENTH MILLION TIME, THEY NEED SOMETHING TO DO, ANYTHING TO DO, TO NOT BE ON MAYBE AN ELECTRIC BIKE CALLED THE DEATH MACHINE, RIGHT? SO, SORRY, I CAN WON'T GO INTO THAT, BUT I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO, UH, TRY TO BUILD THINGS AND WE NEED TO INCORPORATE TEENAGERS TO BE PART OF A, UM, PART OF PLAYING WITH KIDS. 
          THEY CAN DO IT, THEY CAN TOTALLY DO IT, AND THEY CAN DO IT WITHOUT, UM, BRINGING IN, UH, SHARPIES. 
          UM, WHY NOTHING ON WISEMAN. 
          UM, MCDOWELL, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER SHADE. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS COMMENTED ON, BUT THAT PARK HAS NO SHADE. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF DOING A POSSIBLE SHORT TERM FIX FOR EAGLE, IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THESE IN ORDER, UH, SOUNDS ATTRACTIVE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN TO THAT PARK AND IT IS VERY OLD. 
          UM, MAN, KENNELWORTH, THERE ISN'T ANOTHER PARK BY IT. 
          IT'S REALLY, YOU CANNOT, YOU, YOU CAN WALK FROM MCDOWELL TO LOU KESSIE. 
          I MEAN, LOUSIE'S REALLY OLD TOO, BUT, UM, BUT MY POINT IS, IS YOU REALLY CAN'T WALK FROM MIDTOWN TO ANOTHER PARK WITHIN, I WOULD ARGUE, IF YOU HAVE A CHILD WITH YOU 25 MINUTES. 
          SO, UM, NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK, UM, THE IDEA OF TEMPORARY SHADE, SHADE STRUCTURES UNTIL SOMETHING BIGGER HAPPENS IS WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT TWO YEARS AGO? UM, AND THEN, UM, I, I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL ALSO GO THERE. 
          I THINK BACK TO THE PIECE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T THERE. 
          IT REALLY IS JUST TOO HOT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING ACTUALLY WITH MARYANNE'S POINT TO RECYCLING, I THINK WHERE MY BRAIN WENT WITH THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES YOU, I WAS THINKING MORE THINGS LIKE IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN NO LONGER GET, LIKE THE JOINTS THAT ARE HOLDING THINGS TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHAT TANKS A PLAYGROUND AND YOU HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT, LIKE RECYCLING THAT THING MIGHT MAKE SENSE. 
          NOT LIKE A SLIDE. 
          THAT'S WHERE MY BRAIN WENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR ALL OF THEM, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU GUYS KNOW YOU CAN'T GET, BUT YOU'RE DEMOING TWO OTHER 1994 PLAYGROUNDS, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ALEX? UM, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE I GO INTO MY COMMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS, UM, THIS COMMISSIONER GREENSPAN TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHICH PARKS WE'RE GONNA SELECT FOR THIS AND HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. 
          AND I REALIZE FUNDING'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO TURN THIS FROM A PLAN INTO MORE ACTION AND, AND DO SOME OF THIS WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE REALISTIC? 
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UM, YEAH, WE WERE GONNA BE PRESENTING THE BUDGET I BELIEVE IN ABOUT A MONTH. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR A, A CAPITAL PROJECT RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR A PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT. 
          WE DO KNOW ROUGHLY, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH RECENTLY, WE CAN PUT SOME GOOD COSTS TOGETHER FOR IT. 
          UM, THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THESE ARE WE, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENTS, UM, ABSENT OF OUR CIP TEAM, SO WE CAN HANDLE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS. 
          WE ESSENTIALLY ARE PROJECT MANAGERS HERE IN PARKS AND REC, UM, THROUGH KIND OF A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY PRE-BID AT THE STATE. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE ALLOW US TO KIND OF MOVE ON THESE PROJECTS ONCE, ONCE WE GET SOME FUNDING AND NOT HAVE TO, UM, CONSTRAIN OUR CIP TEAM, WHICH AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, HAVE MANY PROJECTS ASSIGNED PER PER MANAGER. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. 
          BUT, UM, NO, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING YET SET ASIDE OR DESIGNATED AND, AND DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ONE TO DO WHATEVER THESE NUMBER ONE IS. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUNDING YET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UHHUH . 
          UM, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN WE DO GET THE FUNDING FOR THIS, AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF CONTINUING TO LOOK INTO MORE NATURAL MATERIALS AND, AND COMPANIES THAT DO THAT FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, EVERY COMMISSIONER HAD A COMMENT ABOUT TURF AND, AND DOING, GETTING AWAY FROM PLASTICS AND STUFF. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO WALK THE WALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND I THINK THAT ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF OUR CITY'S GOALS AND PRIORITIES. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS KIND OF GO IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE CONSIDER DESIGNING PLAY STRUCTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SLIDING CLIMBING, BALANCING MONKEY BARS, THAT TYPES OF STUFF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO, AND, AND THOSE DO, BUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO PROMOTE LIKE FITNESS AND HEALTH AND KEEPING KIDS ACTIVE AND BUSY AND, AND CLIMBING THINGS MORE AND SWINGING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING DIFFERENT THINGS THAT KEEP THEM PHYSICAL. 
          AND, AND AS COMMISSIONER EARL POINTED OUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S KIDS OLDER THAN 12 THAT DO LIKE TO GO TO THE PLAYGROUNDS AND THERE'S ADULTS THAT GO TO, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE DESIGN OR SOMEWHERE WITHIN THESE PARKS TO DO, UH, THINGS MAYBE MORE FOR THEM, LIKE PULL UP BARS OR OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN USE TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO PROMOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, HEALTH AND BEING MORE PHYSICAL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND THIS IS SORT OF A GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT PARKS, BUT UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE TOWER, UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GRAFFITI AND SEEING THAT AT DIFFERENT PARKS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AT WALNUT PARK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS SOME NOT SO NICE GRAFFITI THAT WAS ON THERE AND APPRECIATE STAFF COVERING THAT UP FAST. 
          BUT THEN YOU COULD STILL KIND OF SEE THE GHOST IMAGE OF IT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF DOING THEIR BEST TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THAT AND, UM, ELIMINATE THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DON'T SEE IT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SEE WE'RE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY ABLE TO GET CREATIVE WITH THE FUNDING SO THAT SOME OF THIS CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS ALEX. 
          UM, MY COMMENTS ARE, UM, I AGREE WITH THE LESS PLASTIC, UH, OVERALL LESS PLASTICS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DIRECTION TO GO IN. 
          UM, AND WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR PLAYGROUNDS ALSO BE ACTIVITY CENTERS FOR SENIORS, ADULTS, TEENS. 
          UM, THEY, I, I WILL CONTINUE TO BRING UP EXAMPLES FROM SAN FRANCISCO 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS IN THE PARKS FOR 26 YEARS. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S A THING CALLED PARK HORSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF THAT. 
          UM, IT GOES AROUND LAKE MERCED. 
          THERE'S ONE THAT GOES AROUND LAKE MERCED. 
          THEY'VE PUT 'EM IN ANOTHER AREAS WHERE THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY, UH, LIKE A FITNESS STATION AND THEY'RE SPACED EVERY SO OFTEN. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE SIGNBOARD THAT TELLS YOU WHAT, HOW TO USE IT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S A STATIONARY THING, LIKE WITH A BAR OR SLANTED PIECE OF WOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT ADULTS CAN JUST USE, UH, TO EXERCISE ON. 
          AND, UM, SO MAYBE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF SOME OF THESE PLAY AREAS OR ALONG A TRAIL SOMEWHERE, UH, WE COULD PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE A RESOURCE FOR SENIORS, TEENS, AND ADULTS IN TERMS OF, 
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UH, FITNESS AND PLAY. 
          'CAUSE WE ALL LIKE TO PLAY. 
          YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A KID TO STILL ENJOY PLAYING. 
          UM, THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          JOSE, ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, BRENDA. 
          I DO HAVE A COMMENT IN A PLAY CALLED CLEAR LAKE. 
          I'VE SEEN THE SAME, UH, TYPE OF EQUIPMENT FOR EXERCISING, FOR ADULT EXERCISING THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING A GREAT IDEA SO THAT PE MORE PEOPLE, UH, ARE, UH, MOTIVATED TO COME AND, AND USE THE PARKS. 
          DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MCDOWELL PARK, UH, THE ISSUE OF THE BATHROOMS AND THE ISSUE OF WATER ACCESS TO WATER IN MCWELL, BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE THIRSTY, GET THIRSTY, AND THEY GO TO THE WATER STATION, THEY, THEY HIT THE, THE BUTTON TO THE, SO THE WATER WILL COME OUT, BUT WATER DOESN'T COME OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE WATER AT MCDOWELL PARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE BATHROOM'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT THE WATER, WE SHOULD GET THAT GOING. 
          OKAY. 
          I KIND OF MERGED MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS BEFORE, BUT I WILL, UM, JUST ADD THAT, UM, JUST WANNA REITERATE, I THINK NARROWING THE SCOPE SO THAT WE REALLY CAN STRIKE WHEN FUNDING DOES COME IN AND HAVE REALLY SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS, THAT THEN CREATES MOMENTUM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND, UM, BUILDS SOME GOODWILL WITH PARK USERS, UM, IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I ALSO AM ENCOURAGED, I THINK IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THERE'S BEEN AN OVERALL SEA CHANGE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE NATURAL MATERIALS USED IN PARKS. 
          SO I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT NO MATTER WHICH PARKS, WHICH OPTIONS, UM, A LOT OF LIKE THE HIGH QUALITY EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE MORE, UM, IN LINE WITH WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND IT ALSO IS MORE, UM, CHILD DEVELOPMENT FITS IN MORE WITH CHILD DEVELOPMENT PHILOSOPHY NOW MORE THAN EVER. 
          CITIES, COMMUNITIES, PROFESSIONALS, STAFF ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS AND THE RESEARCH BEHIND ALL OF THOSE, UM, MATERIALS AND STRUCTURES. 
          SO I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT, AND I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT BETWEEN STAFF AND THIS COMMISSION AND OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE WE CAN PULL TOGETHER SOME REALLY GREAT OPTIONS. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SEE IT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW,  WHEN IT CAN. 
          SO, UM, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL FIVE PARKS ON THAT LIST GET DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENTS, I ALSO WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF COMMENTS? UH, WE APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. 
          ALL THE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO GO OVER. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. 
          UM, IT STARTS WITH ONE AND YOU JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK TONIGHT. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO GET GOING ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR MEETING?  GOT COMMITTEE, GENERAL COMMITTEE COMMENT. 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
NEXT CHAIR WHERE? COMMITTEE COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT WE JUST HAD, WE JUST GAVE PEOPLE LINE DANCING TONIGHT. 
          LET'S GO. 
          NO, NO. 
          THERE ISN'T , NO BOWLING EITHER. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YEAH, THESE ARE JUST GENERAL, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY GENERAL COMMENTS OKAY. 
          LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS THAT YOU'VE GOT REPORT OUT OR ANY UPCOMING EVENTS. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I WENT TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TODAY, AND, UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE, UM, WELL, I THINK THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE THAT GOT FINALIZED AND THEY'VE GOT, UM, WORKING ON SOME NEW AD HOC COMMITTEES, UH, AND SOME DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS TO OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC, UH, TO 
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GIVE PUBLIC MORE INFORMATION ABOUT TREES AND TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO MAINTAIN THE TREES THAT THEY HAVE. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL BE HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          UM, THERE'S AN ARBOR DAY, UH, PROCLAMATION, ISN'T IT? THAT'S ON MONDAY NIGHT, THE 20TH AT CITY COUNCIL. 
          CITY COUNCIL. 
          IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, RECOGNIZE, UH, RELIEF, UH, WHO'S BEEN DOING A LOT OF TREMENDOUS WORK THAT WE'VE HEARD ALL ABOUT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE. 
          OH, THERE'S GONNA BE A PLANTING THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF DREW'S ITEMS. THERE'S GONNA BE A PLANTING HERE AT CITY HALL ON THE 22ND THAT I THINK EVERYONE WOULD BE WELCOME TO JOIN IN ON. 
          IF YOU WANNA HELP PLANT SOME PLANTS AROUND CITY HALL, DREW CAN GIVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS. 
          JUST SOME UPDATES FROM ART COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AFTER A VERY EXHAUSTIVE, UM, SUBMISSION PROCESS REVIEW, UM, THE ART COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE REWARDED THE SKATE PARK MURAL DESIGN, UM, TO AN ARTIST. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, GETTING STARTED. 
          UM, IT WAS, THERE WERE OVER 35 SUBMISSIONS, LIKE A VERY, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY AMAZING TO SEE THE CREATIVITY OF THIS COMMUNITY AND, UM, CALIFORNIA ARTISTS THAT SUBMITTED, UM, BUT LOTS OF MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A, UM, RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY FOR THE MURAL BY ASH GREGORIO IN, UM, THE KELLER STREET PARKING GARAGE, UM, THIS WEEK. 
          SO IF YOU HAVEN'T CHECKED OUT THAT MURAL YET, IT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          IT'S, IT'S BIG JELLYFISH, VERY BRIGHT AND FRIENDLY, AND MAKES THAT PARKING GARAGE JUST A LITTLE BIT SUNNIER. 
          SO, UM, WE DID NOT MEET THIS LAST TIME, BUT, UM, EXCITED TO UPDATE YOU WITH, UH, SKATE PARK, UH, MURAL STUFF SOON. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, BRENDA. 
          ANY COMMENTS? JOSE? NO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PARKS THAT I KIND OF OVERSEE OR CHECK ON AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I, THE PARK THAT I, I DO WALK, UH, THROUGHOUT THEM AND KIND OF KEEP CHECK ON THEM. 
          UH, THERE'S A RULES PARK, HE SAID THAT, UH, IT DOES REALLY NEED, UH, MOWING THE GRASS IS VERY TALL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I, I, IN THE PARK WHEN I WAS WALKING WITH THE TALL GRASS, EVEN MYSELF, AN ADULT, I, I WAS A LITTLE SCARED THAT, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE SNAKE WILL COME OUT FROM THERE. 
          BUT, UH, AS, AS I KEPT GOING, UH, I SAW THAT THERE'S A BRIDGE THERE, APPARENTLY IT'S WOODEN, UH, WOODEN BRIDGE THAT SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING MUST HAVE STEP ON AND, AND THERE'S A AND, AND A CRACK, UH, IN THAT WOOD. 
          UH, AND, AND SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO REPORT, UH, SOMEONE, ANOTHER CITIZEN KIND OF PUT SOMETHING IN THAT HOLE IN THE BRIDGE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF LIKE, PAY ATTENTION TO, TO THE HOLE THERE AND DON'T STEP ON IT. 
          UH, BUT MY TAKE, UH, WALKING THERE IS THAT REALLY THE, THE HOLE BRIDGE IS, IS PRETTY DAMAGED AND, AND IT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED. 
          AND AS YOU APPROACH, UH, THE BRIDGE IN THAT AREA TO YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, IT, THE, IT, IT'S PREEMPTIVE THERE, 
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AND I WOULD THINK IT WILL NEED SOME TREES IN THAT AREA. 
          TO, TO THE, IN, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE TREES, BUT ON, ON THIS SIDE, IT, IT LOOKS PREEMPT EMPTY. 
          UM, UH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. 
          I'LL MAKE NEAR UHHUH . 
          OKAY. 
          IN THAT PART THAT, UH, YOU JUST MENTIONED, I THINK IT'S MANIR, IF I HEARD CORRECTLY. 
          UH, WHAT, WHAT I SAW IS THAT, UH, THE ELECTRICAL, UH, CABLES, UH, ON, ON TOP OF, ON THOSE POLES ARE, ARE REALLY TOUCHING THE LIMBS OF THE TREES. 
          OKAY? I MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THIS IS THE, UH, GRANDSTAND AT MCNAIR NEAR HE SAYING THAT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE, THE WOOD IS ROTTEN. 
          UH, AND GO AHEAD, SORRY. 
          WATER AND IN THE DRINKING FOUNTAIN THERE, BUT THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES OUT, IT IS VERY LITTLE. 
          IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT. 
          THAT IS ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE FOR TODAY. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THE, THE PUTS A, PUTS A, A FOCUS, UH, PUTS, UH, UH, THE EYE ON, ON ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS, SOME OF THEM. 
          AND, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY, UH, WILL NEED, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, THERE, THERE ARE LAWSUITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY, LOWER THE MOUTH. 
          THAT IS ALL FOR ME TODAY. 
          I, I, I THINK IT IS MY DUTY, UH, TO, TO, UM, BRING FORWARD WHAT, WHAT I SEE THAT THOSE, THOSE PLACES THAT I GO AND LOOK AND, AND, AND POINT TO THE, THE IMPROVEMENT AREAS, UH, AND EVEN THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD SO THAT, UH, WE CAN HAVE A BETTER, UH, BETTER SPACES. 
          SO FAR THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOSE. 
          ALEX, UH, REAL QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, AND THANK YOU, UH, JOSE. 
          I'M GLAD YOU'RE OKAY. 
          AND THE SNAKE DID NOT GET YOU. 
          UM, CAN YOU, UH, CONFIRM THE CRACK IN THE WOODEN BRIDGE? CAN YOU CONFIRM WHICH PARK THAT WAS BEFORE YOU MOVED ON? UH, ONE SEC. 
          I IS A PROBLEM PARK. 
          OH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS, HOLD ON. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OH, , THERE'S A PIECE OF CHUNK OF FLIGHT MISSING. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS THIS? YEAH, . 
          WHAT LOCATION? PARK? IT'S A HOLE THAT'S IN THE PARK. 
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IT LOOKS LIKE LUCCHESE RIGHT HERE. 
          PARK RULES. 
          BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LOCATION? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          IT LUCCHESE WITH THE BIG, THE BIG POND. 
          THE PAN. 
          IT'S, THERE'S LIKE A ROUND POINT OR SOMETHING AND YOU TURN RIGHT. 
          IT'S THAT PARK OVER THERE. 
          IT'S THAT PART OVER THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S MAINLY ENOUGH. 
          YEAH, I GOT IT. 
          SAME TIME. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU REPORTING ALL THIS. 
          UM, I, I THINK THIS JUST GOES AS A REMINDER TO ALL COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, IT NEVER IS IT THE INTENT FOR YOU TO HOLD ON TO ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN A PARK AS A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          SO IF YOU SEE POWER LINES TOUCHING TREES, UM, WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, PLEASE DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO WAIT FOR A COMMITTEE MEETING TO SHARE THAT WITH US. 
          WE WANT TO HEAR RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE INTENT WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE ASSIGNED THAT PARK OR NOT, UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU'RE OUT THERE ENJOYING MORE PARKS THAN JUST YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO. 
          UM, BUT, UH, JOSE AND ANYONE ELSE, JUST THOSE QUICK PHOTOS. 
          HEY, I'M MATT HERE, SEND THOSE IN. 
          UM, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND, AND KIND OF ADDRESS. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THOSE, THOSE SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          WE DON'T WANT YOU, UH, FALLING THROUGH A BRIDGE OR GETTING EATEN BY A SNAKE, YOU KNOW, . 
          OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU JOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          YEAH, IT'S STARTING TO SOUND A LITTLE INDIANA JONES OUT THERE NOW. 
          , UM, NOT, NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO REPORT FROM COUNCIL. 
          WE, UM, RECENTLY APPROVED A SUBSTITUTION FOR A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE SKATE PARK. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING WHICH IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IS WE APPROVED THE TREE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SO I THINK EVERYONE WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, AND, UM, THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO REPORT FROM COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU, ALEX. 
          STACY, UM, I'LL START WITH, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT POOP. 
          I LOVE TALKING ABOUT POOP. 
          I HAVE TO NOT REALLY, UH, DOG POOP. 
          SO, UM, THE, DID YOU ALL FOLLOW UP WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE DOG, WITH THE SHEEP GRAZING POOP AT THE DOG AT ROCKY DOG? DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT? ANY UPDATE THERE? HAVE YOU FIGURED THAT OUT? YEAH, I MEAN, THIS WAS, UH, SHEEP GRAZING. 
          WE STARTED AT ROCKY MEMORIAL DOG PARK AND, UH, GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS BACK AND, UH, THIS IS A SECOND YEAR GRAZING THERE. 
          UM, WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR, OUR STRATEGY WAS TO GRAZE THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PARK REALLY INTENSELY WITH THE BIGGER HERD. 
          UM, WE DID SOME TARGETING MOWING, WHICH INCLUDED KIND OF THE UPPER PORTIONS OF THE PARK. 
          UH, AND THEN WE GOT OUT OF THERE MUCH SOONER THAN WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT MEANS LESS OVERALL SHEET DONATIONS WE'RE CALLING 'EM. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA SEE, SEE HOW IT GOES AFTER THIS YEAR IF, IF THAT REALLY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE, UM, THE FOXTAILS THAT WE WERE SEEING GENERALLY HOW, HOW IT'S GOING. 
          UH, THE SHEEP HAVE MOVED ON, SO WE REALLY DO KIND OF AN ABSTRACTION AFTER WE'VE GRAZED ALL THE PARKS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID WE LEARN, WHAT TOOK US LONGER, WHAT REALLY DIDN'T SEE THE BENEFITS? UH, AND THEN WE KIND OF PUT THAT TOGETHER IN AN ANNUAL REPORT. 
          SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO TRY TRY IT ONE MORE YEAR WITH ROCKY, BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT COMMITTED TO, TO DOING IT IN YEAR THREE AT ROCKY IF IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THE FOXDALE EVERY YEAR AT ROCKY AND UM, THAT WAS WORTH US TRYING TO, TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OUT THERE. 
          WELL, I PARTIALLY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE YOU TWO ARE HERE AND THAT COULD BE A COLLABORATION BETWEEN VOLUNTEERS AFTER THE SHEEP LEAVE RIGHT. 
          HAND OUT SOME NATURAL GLOVES, SOME GARBAGE BAGS, AND VOLUNTEER AT A DOG PARK TO PICK UP POOP. 
          I KNOW IT SOUNDS GROSS, BUT IT'S TRUE. 
          LIKE I, WHEN I'M AT PRINCE PARK ALL THE TIME WITH MY DOGS, I PICK UP A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S POOP, HENCE WHY I'M OKAY TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE THAT'S LIKE A, A COLLAB THAT COULD HAPPEN, POSSIBLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, THE DOG COMMENT ABOUT TER SER, THERE'S 
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NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOGS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A DOG DEDICATED DOG PARK, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IT IS NOT, UM, OFF LEASH, A PARK WITH AN OFF LEASH DEDICATED DOG RUN. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. 
          SO THAT KIND OF GETS KIND OF, UM, CONFUSING. 
          WELL, I GUESS NO, YOU COULD STILL PUT A RECEPTACLE THERE WITH THE TRASH BAGS BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH LEASH DOGS, BUT I'M WONDERING, UM, MAYBE SIGNING THAT ANNOUNCES IT'S NOT AN OFF LEASH PARK, MAYBE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S A TOUGH ONE. 
          I GET, I SEE BOTH SIDES THERE. 
          UM, MORE POOP. 
          ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET THE, UM, SEEMS LIKE A SMALL THING. 
          BUT WHEN I WAS AT PRINCE PARK THE OTHER DAY, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STUFF GOING ON IN TOURNAMENTS AND STUFF AND, UH, JUST, OH MY GOD, THE GARBAGE CANS ARE JUST GROSS. 
          SO TO HAVE SOME DEDICATED POOP BAGS, I FEEL BAD FOR THE TOURNAMENT PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FEEL BAD FOR IS LIKE, I EXPECT IT TO SMELL THAT WAY, , BUT THEY ARE JUST LIKE, OH MY GOSH, . 
          SO IF WE COULD LABEL THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COSTLY TO GET SOME SMALLER BINS WITH LABELING, UM, CHERRY VALLEY, UH, PARK. 
          UM, DO YOU, UH, IS THE CITY STILL TAKING CARE OF THAT? THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN AREA, THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE AREA THAT'S CLOSE TO THE HOMES THAT'S REALLY OVERGROWN. 
          SNAKES WOULD PROBABLY BE HANGING OUT IN THAT AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, SO I, AND I WAS JUST THERE LIKE YESTERDAY AND SAW IT, SO I WANTED TO BRING IT UP HERE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND THEN THE MUSEUM, MEGAN WAS NOT KIDDING THAT THE MUSEUM IS WHERE IT'S AT, THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE MUSEUM AND NOT, NOT JOKING AT ALL. 
          SERIOUSLY. 
          I'M AMAZED AT HOW MUCH THE, OUR MUSEUM IS REALLY, REALLY AMAZING. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE HAVING AN EXHIBITION THROUGH APRIL 9TH, THROUGH JUNE 7TH. 
          UM, IT'S CALLED TIME AND TIDE, AND IT'S AN ARTFUL EXPLORATION OF PETALUMA'S WETLANDS. 
          SO I DID NOT KNOW THAT SCHOENBERGER IS THE LARGEST INTACT, UH, WETLAND ON THE WEST COAST. 
          I LEARNED THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING. 
          UH, BUT ANYHOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE, I THINK 30 PIECES OF ARTWORK THAT WILL BE ON EXHIBIT THERE, ALL ABOUT OUR WETLANDS. 
          SO THAT'S A PRETTY GREAT, UM, THING THAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME STUFF, OF COURSE, UM, FOR BUTTER AND EGGS THIS WEEKEND. 
          I THINK IT'S FABULOUS THAT YOU ALL ARE THROWING A PARADE ON MY BIRTHDAY FOR ME. 
          I WON'T BE HERE, BUT IT'LL BE GREAT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO DOING A FEW DIFFERENT EVENTS AND SO I'LL JUST LIST 'EM OFF IN CASE ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. 
          UH, THEY'RE DOING A HERITAGE HOMES EVENT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN TOUR. 
          THEY'RE GONNA START AT THAT REALLY BRIGHTLY COLORED HOUSE ON LIBERTY. 
          I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT KIND OF BY STOCKHOLM. 
          THEY'RE GONNA START THERE, UM, AND THEN VISIT SOME DIFFERENT HERITAGE HOMES IN THE AREA THAT'S ON MAY 2ND. 
          ON MAY 8TH. 
          THEY'RE DOING A RIVER CRUISE ON THE RIVER, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CRUISE ALONG THE RIVER AND SEE PETALUMA FROM THE WATER, WHICH UNLESS YOU ROW, NOBODY EVER GETS TO SEE. 
          SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY ARE DOING, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS WITH WITHIN THAT, UM, WATERSHED, DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE MUSEUM, BUT ON MAY 31ST, THEY'RE DOING A PAINT OUT AT ELLIS CREEK. 
          SO THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT ARTISTS AT ELLIS CREEK PAINTING THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE PRETTY COOL. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S LOTS HAPPENING AT THE MUSEUM. 
          UM, AND I TOTALLY FORGOT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORTS TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MORE COMMENTS. 
          IT'S NOT A COMMENT, IT'S A QUESTION. 
          UM, UH, REGARDING THE RIVER CRUISE, HAS THIS BEEN, UM, ALREADY, UM, TOLD OR HAS IT BEEN SHARED WITH THE LATINO COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE TO CONTACT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, THE, I KNOW THAT, UM, IT'S ON THE EIGHTH AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ON WHERE THEY'RE MEETING THEIR PRO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE PICKING UP AT, BUT I WILL FIND OUT AND I CAN SEND YOU THE INFO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S PUBLICIZED. 
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YEAH. 
          AH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THAT WAY I CAN SHARE IT AT THE PARENTS SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS. 
          GREAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AWESOME. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, WELL HERE'S SOME INFORMATION ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY ON MAY 9TH AND THERE'S TWO CRUISES. 
          THERE'S ONE AT 9:00 AM AND ONE AT 1:00 PM AND THERE'S ONE ON MAY 10TH AT 11:00 AM THEY'VE EXPANDED. 
          I'M SORRY, COUNSEL, I MISSED THE TIME. 
          IT'S, UH, MAY 9TH AT, GIMME THE PICTURE. 
          MAY 9TH, UH, AT 9:00 AM AND 1:00 PM AND MAY 10TH AT 11:00 AM OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD ONE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR STAFF 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
COMMENTS NOW. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I'VE GOT, UH, PARKS IN RECREATION RIGHT HERE, SHARING A TABLE. 
          THIS IS GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO I'LL DYNAMIC DUO, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, CAT AND REISINGER. 
          MAYBE YOU WANT TO COVER, UH, SOME OF THE RECREATION HAPPENINGS FIRST. 
          WELL, I THANK YOU DIRECTOR DREW HALTER. 
          I MUCH APPRECIATE IT. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          HAPPY WEDNESDAY EVENING. 
          SO HAPPY TO BE HERE ON A GREAT CLOSING OUT OF THE MIDWEEK RECREATION. 
          WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY AND EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          SOME THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD A AMAZING BASKETBALL SUNDAY EXPERIENCE AT PETALUMA HIGH WITH 16 TEAMS PLAYING IN OUR ADULT BASKETBALL LEAGUE. 
          A FIRST EVER WOMEN'S PICKUP THAT IS WELL ATTENDED ON SUNDAYS. 
          OUR SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL FOR ADULTS STARTED THIS WEEK WITH A WHOPPING 32 TEAMS, INCLUDING 15 CO-ED TEAMS, 11 MEN'S RECREATIONAL TEAMS, AND A VERY INTENSE SIX MEN'S COMPETITIVE DIVISION. 
          FLOORBALL CONTINUES TO BE SUPER POPULAR, ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL NEW PROGRAMS, AND PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR SOME DEDICATED FLOORBALL SPACE. 
          WE NEED TO FIND SOME GOOD LOCATIONS FOR THEM. 
          WE'RE ALSO REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'VE ACTIVATED A NEW, WELL NEWER PARK, ACTIVE PARK AT FIVE 15 ON MONDAY NIGHTS FOR $10. 
          IF YOU ARE A TEEN OR ADULT, YOU CAN DROP IN FOR A TOUCH RUGBY PROGRAM. 
          IT IS NEW AND BEEN GOING REALLY WELL, AVERAGING ABOUT 22 PEOPLE PER MONDAY EVENING. 
          LAST WEEKEND, WE WERE REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT IT WAS THE START OF OUR SWIM LESSON PROGRAM AT KAVANAUGH POOL THROUGH SOME AQUATICS THAT OFFERED, UH, SWIM LESSONS TO LOW INCOME CHILDREN FOR FREE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT WAS AT KAVANAUGH POOL. 
          IT'S CONTINUING ON FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          UH, EMILY AT CAFE PUENTE HAS THE INFORMATION. 
          AWESOME. 
          AND THEN INTERNALLY, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT 53 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP WITH ONLY FOUR SPOTS OPEN FOR OUR SWIM LESSONS STARTING THIS SATURDAY AT THE PETALUMA SWIM CENTER. 
          SO THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST IN-HOUSE AQUATICS SWIM LESSONS LAUNCHING ON SATURDAY. 
          WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL WATER AEROBICS INSTRUCTORS, SO IF ANYONE HAS AN INTEREST IN TEACHING WATER AEROBICS, YOU CAN DO SLOW HIGH VOLUME EXERCISE STRENGTH. 
          WE WILL HELP TRAIN YOU. 
          PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME. 
          I AM ALMOST DONE. 
          UM, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON A DIFFERENT LENS THAT OUR CAMP ILLUMINA CAMP FOR AGES THREE TO 12 HAS COMPLETELY SOLD OUT WITH AN AVERAGE OF 130 KIDS PER WEEK AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR EIGHT WEEKS DURING SUMMER. 
          WE ARE SO EXCITED, BUT DON'T YOU WORRY SENIORS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE WEDNESDAY 10:30 AM LINE DANCING CLASS THAT HAS MAXED OUT ITS SPACE AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND IS NOW DANCING WITH 28 PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP EARLIER TODAY AT 10:30 AM AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          WE DO WELCOME EVERYONE, AND I WILL NOT FORGET THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          WE HAVE A VERY BUSY WEEKEND COMING UP ON APRIL 25TH AND 26TH ON THE 25TH. 
          WE WELCOME THE FFA AND FOUR H YOUTH LIVESTOCK JUDGING CONTEST FOR BEEF, SHEEP, SWINE, AND GOATS. 
          AND DON'T YOU WORRY ON APRIL 26TH BECAUSE WE LIKE TO DO THINGS BACK TO BACK AND HIGH VOLUME. 
          WE HAVE OUR FIRST EVER RODEO EXPERIENCE WITH LIVE MUSIC AT THE FAIRGROUNDS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          SO WISH US LUCK FOR THE WEATHER. 
          GODS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AWESOME. 
          KAT , I DEFINITELY WANNA GO BEFORE 
          [02:15:01]
YOU NEXT TIME. 
          , UH, A LOT LESS, OF COURSE, OUR MAINTENANCE CREW ARE BUSY OUT IN OUR PARKS, KEEPING, KEEPING THE SAFE AND CLEAN, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK ON THINGS THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE. 
          SO, LOVE THAT. 
          I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE, UM, SOMETHING YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY, THAT WE WILL BE AT ARBOR DAY ON MONDAY WITH A PROCLAMATION, UH, HAPPY, UH, TO BRING THAT FORWARD AND PRESENT TO HAVE RELIEF, UH, ACCEPT IT, UH, AS WELL AS I DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM THE, UH, UH, CHAIR OF OUR, UH, TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT, UH, HE CAN ALSO, UH, BE THERE, DARREN KUSON TO ACCEPT IT ON BEHALF OF THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I WANTED TO ALSO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE WILL, UM, WE HAVE BEEN OUT HELPING TO TRIM UP TREES AND FILL, UH, FILL THE TREE WELLS IN THE DOWNTOWN IN PREPARATION FOR BUTTER AND EGG PARADES,  IT'S EGG RIGHT NOW. 
          EGGS. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN BUSY DOING THAT. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT SOME HUNDRED YEAR OLD U TREES IN PENRY PARK TO KINDA TRIM THOSE UP VERY DELICATELY, UM, AROUND THE WAR MEMORIAL THERE. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING UP. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE, UM, PROPPING UP AND HELPING ONE OF OUR, UH, OTHER A HUNDRED YEAR OLD TREES IN PRINCE PARK, UH, NEAR THE, UH, ATHLETIC FIELDS OUT THERE SOON. 
          SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE, UH, SOME OF THAT, UH, TRIMMING GOING ON FOR THAT TREE, YOU KNOW, ALSO WELL AS HOLDING UP SOME OF THE HEAVIER BRANCHES TO TRY TO PROTECT THAT TREE INTO THE FUTURE. 
          AND, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE AND TURN IT BACK. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU BOTH. 
          UM, I, I, WE'VE TOUCHED AND COVERED A LOT JUST TO, UH, CELEBRATE A, A COUPLE OF UPCOMING DATES TOO. 
          UM, THE FUTURE FEST, UH, IS MAY 3RD, UH, AND THAT IS GONNA BE HOSTED AT THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          UH, IT'S JUST KIND OF AN EXCITING, UH, GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          VERY, UH, EXCITED ABOUT PUSHING FORWARD, UM, A LOT OF CLIMATE FRIENDLY, UM, RESOURCE EXPOS, PRESENTATIONS. 
          THERE'LL BE FOOD, UM, BUT JUST A, A GOOD, YOU KNOW, FEEL GOOD FESTIVAL. 
          VERY, VERY PETALUMA. 
          UH, SO YES, AP, UH, MAY 3RD, UH, UM, FROM 12 TO FOUR AT THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          THE, UH, AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER SHARED, UM, THE COUNCIL DID AWARD THE SKATE PARK CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ON APRIL 7TH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY, UH, IT WAS SUCH A, A LONG TIME COMING, BUT, UM, A, A BETTER PROJECT THAT SERVED, UM, THROUGH THAT KIND OF ITERATIONS. 
          BUT YES, WE DID, UH, SUB OUT, UH, THE CONTRACTOR GRIND LINE FOR CALIFORNIA SKATE PARKS ULTIMATELY. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE GREAT NEWS IS GRIND LINE, UM, WHO DESIGNED THE PROJECT, UH, WILL BE ONBOARD AND STAY WITH US THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS OUR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATOR. 
          SO WE ALL HAD A MEETING, UM, THIS PAST WEEK, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE BREAKING GROUND IN ABOUT A MONTH. 
          UM, SO DATE TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AT LOU CASEY PARK. 
          AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE AN AMAZING, UH, PROJECT, AMAZING FEATURE. 
          UH, BUT ONCE IT BREAK GROUND, IT GETS, IT'S GONNA GET REALLY REAL. 
          AND, UH, I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE READY FOR IT. 
          AND, UH, THOSE INVITES, IF WE'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING SPECIAL, YOU'LL ALL BE INVITED AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT, UH, BUT DATE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          UM, GREAT JOB TEAM. 
          YOU COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSION COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          GOTTA DO THE GAVEL. 
          ALL.
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