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TWO AGAINST ONE HERE. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION FOR THURSDAY, JULY 9TH, 2026. 
          AND OUR FIRST ITEM IS AN OATH OF OFFICE, SO WE CAN HAVE A QUORUM. 
          HELLO. 
          UH, EXCITING TO BE HERE. 
          UH, I'LL BE SWEARING IN YOUR NEW MEMBERS. 
          SO IF I COULD HAVE CHRISTOPHER JENNINGS AND JAN GIRO. 
          STEP DOWN TO THE FRONT. 
          IS IT JAN? IS IT JAN? JAN. 
          JAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL HAVE YOU GUYS STAND RIGHT HERE AND WE'LL DO IT KIND OF IN UNISON. 
          THAT WOULD BE AMAZING TO TRY AND TRY AND CAPTURE YOU GUYS ON. 
          OH, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. 
          I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR I CHRISTOPHER JENNINGS. 
          DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. 
          THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
          THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES. 
          DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER UPON, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CLERK FOX, MAY WE DO A ROLL CALL? OKAY. 
          UH, ACTUALLY PRESENT BLACK BLACKLOCK. 
          SHE WILL NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT SHE'LL BE SWORN IN LATER. 
          SHE'S OUR NEW YOUTH COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, ELLA CAMP PRESENT. 
          JENNINGS PRESENT. 
          GIRO PRESENT. 
          O'DONNELL PETERS HERE. 
          SHRIVES. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS. 
          SO WE NEED A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR AND THEN MAYBE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, UM, NEW MEMBERS? WE'LL, JUST, I'LL GO BRIEFLY INTO IT. 
          UM, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, ANY SPECIAL POWERS ISN'T VIEWED UPON THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. 
          THEY BASICALLY RUN THE MEETING LIKE WHAT AMY'S BEEN DOING, IF YOU'VE SEEN PREVIOUS MEETINGS. 
          UM, THAT'S IT. 
          AND THEN THE VICE CHAIR JUST ACTS AS THE CHAIR IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIR. 
          SO IT'S NO SPECIAL POWERS, NO VETO, NOTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, IT'S JUST LIKE ANOTHER MEMBER, JUST SOMEBODY THAT'S KIND OF THE, UH, FACE OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AND, AND HELPS ADMINISTER THE MEETINGS. 
          WE HAVE A, UH, MONTHLY ISH MEETING, UM, WITH THE CHAIR, UM, TO VICE CHAIR TO TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING AGENDA WITH STAFF. 
          UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY REAL LARGER TIME COMMITMENT BEYOND WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE. 
          SO TYPICALLY HOW, UM, THAT CHAIR SERVES FOR A YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ELECT NEW OFFICERS EVERY, UM, JULY THE FIRST MEETING AFTER THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO THIS, THE TERM WOULD BE FROM THIS MEETING UNTIL, UM, NEXT JUNE, THE END OF JUNE. 
          AND HOW YOU CAN EITHER, YOU KNOW, ELECT A SLATE, YOU CAN DO CHAIR BY CHAIR IN ONE MOTION, OR YOU CAN GO INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOUR DISCRETION AS, UH, CLIMATE ACTION 
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COMMISSION MEMBERS, HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD OVERVIEW OF IT. 
          NOMINATION. 
          AND, AND IF THE PERSON ACCEPTS, THEN YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN YOU VOTE. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO FIRST. 
          UH, I, UM, DO NOT HAVE THE INTEREST OR AVAILABILITY TO, UH, BE NOMINATED. 
          UH, I DO THINK CHAIR ASHLEY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND I WOULD LIKE TO DOMINATE HER TO BE THE CHAIR AGAIN, IF SHE WOULD ACCEPT. 
          UH, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE VICE CHAIR, BUT I WILL DEFER, UH, FOR OTHER PEOPLE. 
          I, I, FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD DO THAT. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN VICE CHAIR THAT'S SITTING HERE? THAT'S NOT ME OR AMY. 
          YEAH, I'LL, I'LL BE VICE CHAIR. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOMINATE CHRISTOPHER JENNINGS IF HE ACCEPTS, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          I MOTION TO, UH, NOMINATE, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER AND COMMISSION MEMBER JENNINGS TO BE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE STILL ING CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          SHOULD I READ THIS WHOLE THING? UM, YEAH. 
          PROBABLY SINCE THE FIRST TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LI LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. 
          TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION OR THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY, IN THAT CASE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND SOMEBODY ELSE DOES THE VOTE, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          DEB, YOU READY FOR THE ROLL CALL? VOTE YES, . 
          I, UH, OKAY, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, I NEED TO HAVE YOU ALL IN ORDER. 
          I THINK. 
          WELL, I'LL, CAN I JUST GO DOWN THE ROLL AMP? AYE, JENNINGS. 
          AYE. 
          ACTUALLY, AYE. 
          GIRO. 
          AYE. 
          PETERS? YES. 
          MOTION IS UNANIMOUS. 
          UNANIMOUS . 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL JUST KEEP OUR CHAIRS WHERE THEY ARE. 
           , WE MOVE ON. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          UH, ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE DID GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT ITEM. 
          DO WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE OPENING IT AGAIN TO ANY TOPIC, NOT JUST THE TOPIC OF, UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          WHAT PRESENTATION. 
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PRESENTATION IS ACTUALLY FIRST. 
          AND THEN COMMENT OH THIS TIME AND ALLOW, THAT WAY THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          I SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, UH, I WILL, I AM VERY EXCITED TO INTRODUCE, UM, LIZ CHAMBERLAIN, PHD AND INNOVATION GROUP DIRECTOR FOR POINT BLUE CONSERVATION SCIENCE, AND SHE'S GONNA SHARE A PRESENTATION WITH US. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 
          OOH, THIS IS LOUD. 
          IT'S EXCITING TO BE HERE. 
          I AM AN ECOLOGIST BY TRAINING. 
          I'M A SCIENTIST, SO THIS IS KIND OF A FUN EXPERIENCE TO GET TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ALL, AND THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 
          THANKS TO DEB FOR INVITING ME. 
          SO WE CAN, I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING TOGETHER. 
          UM, AS I SAID, I'M AN ECOLOGIST. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH A NONPROFIT CALLED POINT BLUE CONSERVATION SCIENCE, WHICH IS HEADQUARTERED RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. 
          AND BEFORE THAT TAUGHT AT SRJC AND SONOMA STATE AND WORKED IN THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ESPECIALLY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, WITHIN POINT BLUE, I AM INNOVATION GROUP DIRECTOR, AS WAS ALREADY SAID. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WEAR A NUMBER OF HATS IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          I CO-LEAD OUR STATEWIDE ROOTS PROGRAM, WHICH IS PUBLICLY FUNDED, AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING 115 WILDLIFE HABITAT PROJECTS, PRIMARILY ON FARMS AND RANCHES AND 38 COUNTIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA. 
          AND DOING SOCIOECOLOGICAL SCIENCE ON THOSE PROJECTS TO LEARN ABOUT HOW WE CAN INCREASE OR WIDEN THE CONSERVATION UMBRELLA. 
          AS I LIKE TO SAY, I ALSO IN MY ROLE DO A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH UN GLOBAL BODIES, MOST PARTICULARLY THE CONVENTION ON BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, WHERE I'M REALLY HELPING HOLD THE STAKEHOLDER SPACE FOR 
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CALIFORNIANS IN MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE OF SOCIETY APPROACH TO HOW WE IMPLEMENT GLOBAL TREATIES. 
          LIKE THE GLOBAL OR GLOBAL FRAMEWORKS LIKE THE GLOBAL BIODIVERSITY FRAMEWORK AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY IS PART OF A GLOBAL INITIATIVE OR IT COULD FIT IN AND IMPLEMENT A AND COULD FIT IN AND HELP ADVANCE, I SHOULD SAY, A GLOBAL INITIATIVE THAT IS REALLY LOOKING AT HOW SUBNATIONALS, THAT'S, THAT'S YOU ALL, THAT'S CITIES, STATES THAT NON-FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS 'CAUSE YOU ARE THE IMPLEMENTERS AND THE ONES THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE GROUND FOR BIODIVERSITY AND COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE, SO JUST A, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POINT BLUE, UM, AS I SAID, WE'RE HEADQUARTERED HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          WE HAVE 160 OR SO SCIENTISTS, BUT ALSO RESTORATION PRACTITIONERS, EDUCATORS, AND OTHER CONSERVATION PROFESSIONALS. 
          AND WE WORK TO DEVELOP WHAT ARE CALLED NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS. 
          SO IT'S A LOT OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY. 
          SO USING NATURE TO HELP, UH, COMBAT AND MITIGATE THE, THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL THREATS. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS, 60 PLUS YEARS NOW, WORKING ON SOLUTIONS THAT BENEFIT BOTH COMMUNITIES, BUT, UH, BOTH WILDLIFE BUT ALSO COMMUNITIES. 
          WE LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WORK FROM THE SIERRA TO THE SEA, PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S CATCHY, BUT ALL ACROSS CALIFORNIA AND, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND HAVE LONG-TERM WORK IN ANTARCTICA AND THE CARIBBEAN AS WELL TO PREPARE FOR CHANGES IN THIS, UH, VOLATILE WORLD. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH POINT BLUE AT ALL LOCALLY, IT'S PROBABLY THROUGH OUR STRAW PROGRAM, WHICH STANDS FOR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS RESTORING A WATERSHED. 
          UM, THIS IS OUR PARTICIPATORY RESTORATION ARM THAT WAS FOUNDED FOR REAL. 
          THIS IS A TRUE STORY BY A FOURTH GRADE CLASS. 
          OUR FOUNDATIONAL STRAW TEACHER, LT ROGERS, SHE STILL WORKS WITH US AND IS STILL AMAZING. 
          WITHIN POINT BLUE, SHE WAS TEACHING FOURTH GRADE, SHE WAS TEACHING NINE YEAR OLDS ABOUT ENDANGERED SPECIES. 
          AND ONE OF THEM SAID, WELL, THIS IS ALL DEPRESSING, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO? AND SO SHE, SHE LOOKED INTO IT AND THEY HAD BEEN STUDYING A LOCAL ENDEMIC ENDANGERED SPECIES CALLED THE FRESHWATER SHRIMP. 
          IT LIVES ONLY IN SONOMA, ME AND NAPA COUNTIES. 
          AND IT NEEDS STREAMSIDE RESTORATION, RIPARIAN RESTORATION TO THRIVE. 
          HABITAT LOSS IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF BIODIVERSITY LOSS. 
          SO THE STUDENTS WENT OUT AND DID RESTORATION IN THEIR WATERSHED. 
          ASRA WAS BORN, THAT WAS IN 1992. 
          AND AT THIS POINT WE ARE ENGAGING AT LEAST 4,000, I WOULD SAY K THROUGH 12 STUDENTS AND INCREASINGLY COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUDENTS AS WELL, AND TEACHERS AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN NOT JUST WATERSHED SCIENCE EDUCATION, BUT WE'RE ALSO USING PUBLIC FUNDS. 
          AND SO WE ARE PERFORMING WITH THE STUDENTS PROFESSIONAL HANDS-ON HABITAT RESTORATION. 
          UM, AND IT'S, THIS IS OFFERED FREE OF CHARGE TO THE SCHOOLS AND STUDENTS BECAUSE WE FUNDRAISE FOR IT PRIMARILY THROUGH STATE GRANTS. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO ALL THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE ALSO HAVE PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF HABITAT OVER 40 MILES OF RIPARIAN CORRIDOR RESTORED IN STRAWS HISTORY. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS BIODIVERSITY. 
          THIS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT IN MY CAPACITY WORKING WITH OUR GLOBAL COALITION, I'M DOING A LOT OF TALKING LATELY ABOUT BIODIVERSITY AND ESPECIALLY WITH CITIES AND OTHER SUBNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS. 
          AND I ALWAYS GET THIS QUESTION. 
          SO WHAT IS BIODIVERSITY? SO I'LL START HERE SUPER QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND IT'S A FUN THING TO TALK ABOUT IN PETALUMA, BUT AT ITS SIMPLEST BIODIVERSITY, WE IS CAN BE DEFINED BY WHAT WE CALL SPECIES RICHNESS, WHICH IS JUST A COUNT OF SPECIES IN THE AREA. 
          UM, BUT TO BETTER CAPTURE THE CONCEPT, WE ALSO CAN INCORPORATE MORE COMPLICATED CONCEPTS LIKE ENDEMIC SPECIES. 
          THOSE ARE SPECIES THAT ARE ONLY FOUND IN A PARTICULAR AREA, LIKE ONLY FOUND IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, WE CAN ALSO THINK AT THE MACRO LEVEL ABOUT ECOSYSTEM DIVERSITY AND THINK ABOUT THE VARIETY OF HABITAT TYPES THAT MIGHT EXIST IN A GIVEN AREA. 
          AND WE CAN ALSO THINK AT THE MICRO LEVEL ABOUT THINGS LIKE GENETIC DIVERSITY, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF BIODIVERSITY. 
          AND THINK ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS THE DIVERSITY OF GENES WITHIN A, WITHIN A SPECIES, WHICH TELLS US SOMETHING ABOUT HOW RESISTANT AND RESILIENT THAT SPECIES MIGHT BE TO PROBLEMS LIKE DISEASE. 
          UM, WITHIN PETALUMA, THIS IS A FUN CONCEPT BECAUSE PETALUMA IS REMARKABLY RICH IN BIODIVERSITY, INCLUDING ENDEMIC AND RARE SPECIES. 
          WE HAVE OVER 230 DIFFERENT SPECIES OF BIRDS AND PETALUMA OVER A DOZEN MAMMALS, AT LEAST 25 SPECIES OF FISH, COUNTLESS INSECTS AND PLANTS, NOT REALLY COUNTLESS, AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THEM LATER AND WE CAN TRY TO COUNT THEM AND AT LEAST 10 IN ENDANGERED, 10 ENDANGERED AND THREATENED SPECIES. 
          I PUT A COUPLE OF THE, THIS, A SNAPSHOT OF THIS CAST OF CHARACTERS ON THE SLIDE. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHARISMATIC ONES THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT. 
          AND LIKE IN PETALUMA, THE LITTLE GUY HELD IN THE HANDS, THAT'S A SALT MAR, I CAN NEVER SAY THIS. 
          A SALT MARSH, HARVEST MOUSE. 
          WE LIKE TO CALL HIM SALTY. 
          HE IS A FEDERALLY ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT IS 
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ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON PICKLEWEED HABITAT, LIVES IN OUR MARSH HABITAT. 
          UM, EVEN RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA IN THE CENTER, THAT BEAUTIFUL CALIFORNIA SNAKE. 
          THESE YOU CAN ALSO SEE OUT AT SCHOENBERGER WETLANDS, WHICH IS ALSO WHERE POINT BLUE IS HEADQUARTERED HIKING ALONG THE TRAIL THERE, THOSE GRAVEL ROADS, I'VE SEEN THEM OUT SUNNING THEMSELVES. 
          THEY EAT, THEY'RE NON VENOMOUS, BUT THEY EAT SMALL MAMMALS. 
          OTHER SNAKES INCLUDING RATTLESNAKE, INCLUDING RATTLESNAKES. 
          AND THEN I INCLUDED THE BIRD, THE WHITE-TAILED KITE. 
          THOSE ARE FUN ONES. 
          WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO PETALUMA ABOUT 16 YEARS AGO, I WAS SUPER EXCITED TO SEE THEM IN THE TREES ABOVE MY HOUSE BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THEY WERE REALLY RARE AND IMPACTED BY DDT, BUT THEY'VE MADE A HUGE COME COMEBACK AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE COMMON IN OUR WETLANDS HERE IN PETALUMA NOW, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN POINT BLUE AND ELLIS CREEK. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A NICE SUCCESS STORY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, OF COURSE, IT'S NOT JUST ANIMALS, BUT ALSO POLLINATORS LIKE THE MONARCH AND THAT ICONIC OAK SPECIES MAKE UP OUR BIODIVERSITY HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE TOO SMALL TO READ AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO, BUT SO WHY BIODIVERSITY? SO WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT IS, UM, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT WE MIGHT CARE ABOUT BIODIVERSITY, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THAT BIODIVERSITY, WHEN IT'S HEALTHY, WHEN THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF IT, IT CAN PROVIDE WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL ECOSYSTEM SERVICES. 
          AND THESE ARE FUNCTIONS THAT COME OUT OF HEALTHY HABITATS, FUNCTIONING ECO ECOSYSTEMS THAT PROVIDE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR MAY BE RELEVANCE TO THIS GROUP. 
          ONE OF THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT BIODIVERSITY CAN PROVIDE IS, UM, IT STRONGLY SUPPORTS CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND DOES THAT IN THREE MAIN WAYS. 
          HEALTHY ECOSYSTEMS ABSORB AND STORE CARBON IN SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS. 
          SO FOREST WETLANDS, COASTAL HABITATS LIKE TIDAL MARSHES, SEQUESTER SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CARBON DIOXIDE THROUGH PHOTOSYNTHESIS, WHICH HELPS REGULATE CLIMATE. 
          SECOND, DIVERSE ECOSYSTEMS RECOVER FASTER FROM DISTURBANCE, INCLUDING CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          SO WHEN AN ECOSYSTEM HAS MANY SPECIES THAT FILL A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONAL ROLES IN THE ECOSYSTEM, THAT SYSTEM CAN BETTER WITHSTAND DROUGHT, WITHSTAND DROUGHTS, FIRES, FLOODS, AND DISEASE OUTBREAKS RELATIVE TO A SPECIES POOR SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, BIODIVERSITY PROVIDES INFRASTRUCTURE FOR HUMAN ADAPTATION. 
          HEALTHY WATERSHEDS PROVIDE OTHER IMPORTANT ECOSYSTEM SERVICES LIKE FILTERING WATER. 
          DIVERSE POLLINATORS CAN SUPPORT OUR FOOD SECURITY THROUGH POLLINATING OUR CROPS. 
          COASTAL WETLANDS, BUFFER, STORM SURGE AND URBAN TREE CANOPY REDUCES WHAT WE CALL HEAT ISLAND EFFECT THAT OCCURS. 
          ITS DOCUMENTED WELL IN THIS SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE OCCURS IN URBAN AREAS DUE TO ALL THE CONCRETE AND ASPHALT THAT TRAPS HEAT AND HAS SIGNIFICANT BIOLOGICAL IMPACTS TO, TO WILDLIFE, BUT ALSO TO HUMAN COMMUNITIES. 
          AND SO THE SHORTHAND THAT WE OFTEN USE IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE IS THAT BIODIVERSITY EQUALS ECOLOGICAL INSURANCE. 
          SO THE MORE SPECIES A FUNCTIONAL ECOSYSTEM HAS, THE MORE OPTIONS IT HAS TO RESPOND TO NOVEL CLIMATE CONDITIONS. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, OF YOUR SCREEN, UM, ACROSS THE GLOBE. 
          SO HUNDREDS OF CITIES IN DOZENS OF COUNTRIES ARE ALREADY RECOGNIZING THE CRITICAL NATURE THAT BIODIVERSITY AND INTEGRATING IT INTO THEIR PLANNING EFFORTS CAN SUPPORT, UM, MUCH LIKE PETALUMA'S ALREADY THINKING ABOUT PROGRESSIVELY WITH CLIMATE. 
          AND ON THE INFOGRAPHIC THAT YOU CAN KIND OF JUST SEE A SNAPSHOT OF THIS COMES FROM, FROM REGIONS FOR WHICH IS A UN BODY THAT ORGANIZES CITIES AROUND CONCEPTS LIKE BIODIVERSITY. 
          AND IT'S DEPICTING THE IDEA THAT OF SOME OF THESE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT CITIES CAN BENEFIT FROM WHEN THEY FOCUS ON BIODIVERSITY, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THINGS LIKE REGULATION OF REGULATION OF THE QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF BOTH WATER AND AIR MODERATION OF AMBIENT AND SURFACE TEMPERATURES, WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE LEAD TO THAT HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. 
          I TALKED ABOUT BIODIVERSITY, OF COURSE PROVIDES LOTS OF RECREATIONAL SPACES AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS CONTRIBUTING TO OVERALL LIVABILITY FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, LOTS OF STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT FREQUENT CONTACT WITH NATURE IS ESSENTIAL FOR HUMAN, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND UM, WELLBEING. 
          AND INCREASINGLY THERE'S EVIDENCE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR PHYSICAL HEALTH AS WELL AND MUCH MORE IS AVAILABLE, UM, IN THAT INFOGRAPHIC. 
          BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH FOR NOW. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO , SO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I OFTEN GET WHEN I'M ASKED ABOUT BIODIVERSITY IS WE DON'T, WHY WOULD WE WORK ON THAT IN A CITY? SHOULDN'T WE FOCUS ON THAT IN NATIONAL PARKS INSTEAD? AND IN FACT, THERE'S A GROWING BODY OF PEER-REVIEWED LITERATURE THAT SHOWS THAT URBAN AREAS AND CITIES ACTUALLY OFTEN HAVE HIGHER SPECIES RICHNESS THAN SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          SO AN IDEA THAT AN URBAN AREA IS A BIOLOGICAL DESERT IS A FALLACY. 
          WE PROBABLY DO KNOW THAT WELL WITHIN PETALUMA, BUT I WANTED TO DO A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT AND COMPARE PETALUMA TO A NATIONAL PARK. 
          I PICKED YOSEMITE JUST 'CAUSE I FOUND A NICE PICTURE OF IT AND, AND ASK WHICH ONE HAS HIGHER SPECIES RICHNESS AND WHICH ONE HAS HIGHER BIODIVERSITY SINCE THIS 
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IS A PDF AND NOT A SLIDE, MY ANIMATION'S ALREADY THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT PETALUMA IS THE WINNER. 
          I NO ONE HAS DONE A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE. 
          SO I HAD TO SURMISE THIS USING OTHER SOURCES THAT LOOKED AT THE SPECIES RICHNESS OF EACH PLACE. 
          BUT WHAT THIS REALLY WANTS TO CONVEY IS THAT THAT SONOMA COUNTY IS REALLY EXTRAORDINARY AND PETALUMA AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT BIODIVERSITY AND SPECIES RICHNESS. 
          WE HAVE MORE THAN 2,200 NATIVE PLANT SPECIES, 22 OF WHICH ARE ENDANGERED AND SEVERAL OF WHICH ARE ENDEMIC AGAIN, WHICH MEANS THEY ONLY OCCUR HERE. 
          THE GREATER COUNTY OF SONOMA BOASTS OVER 400 SPECIES OF ENDEMIC PLANTS, OF WHICH 150 ARE RARE SPECIES OR SUBSPECIES. 
          THERE ARE SPECIES FOUND SPECIFICALLY IN PETALUMA, LIKE THE CALIFORNIA RED-LEGGED FROG, WHICH HAS HABITAT IN WESTERN PETALUMA, UH, THE STONY POINT MICUM ROAD AREA, THE STAGE GULCH AREA. 
          THAT'S A FEDERALLY THREATENED SPECIES. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HERE. 
          IN GENERAL, THE BAY AREA AND DUMBS ARE VERY BROAD IN THIS REGION, INCLUDING SONOMA SUNSHINE. 
          THESE ARE ALL PLANTS, BAKERS MANZANITA AND VINE HILL MANZANITA. 
          UM, SO WE CAN SAY PETALUMA IS ONE OF THE MOST ENDEMIC RICH LANDSCAPES IN NORTH AMERICA, AND THAT'S DUE TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS, INCLUDING THAT WE'RE IN THE CALIFORNIA FLORISTIC PROVINCE, ONE OF ONLY 36 GLOBAL BIODIVERSITY HOTSPOTS. 
          PLACES WHERE WE HAVE UNUSUALLY HIGH BIODIVERSITY. 
          UH, WE KNOW THIS ONE 'CAUSE WE ALL LIVE HERE. 
          THIS IT'S HIGH BIODIVERSITY BECAUSE WE LIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MULTIPLE HABITAT TYPES. 
          SO COASTAL PRAIRIE WETLANDS, RIPARIAN OAK, WOODLAND, MARINE ESTUAN, TITLED MARSH. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. 
          THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA IS DOCUMENTED AS HAVING, AS BEING ONE OF THE MOST SPECIES RICH METROPOLITAN AREAS IN ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. 
          AND WE HAVE HIGH, VERY HIGH PLANT ENDEMISM DUE TO OUR SPECIAL SOILS. 
          SO AGAIN, PETALUMA IS A GLOBALLY SIGNIFICANT BIODIVERSITY HOTSPOT, WHICH MAKES IT A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. 
          UM, IT ALSO MEANS WE HAVE A HIGH CHANCE TO BENEFIT FROM THOSE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. 
          AND I THINK IT GIVES US A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO BE, UM, DEDICATED STEWARDS OF THESE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE AMONG. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO HOW ARE CITIES PLANNING WITH NATURE? UM, PETALUMA WOULD NOT BE ALONE IF WE WENT TOWARDS INCORPORATING NATURE INTO, INTO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WE PLAN AND, AND WORK. 
          UM, AS I SAID, CITIES ARE DOING THIS ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE. 
          AND ONE OF THE GUIDING, SORT OF ONE OF THE GUIDEPOSTS FOR HOW TO DO THIS IS IN THIS RESOURCE THAT IS CALLED THE HANDBOOK ON THE SINGAPORE INDEX FOR CITIES BIODIVERSITY. 
          IT'S ALSO CALLED THE CITY BIODIVERSITY INDEX BECAUSE IT'S USED SO BROADLY NOW. 
          AND WHAT THIS IS, IS A SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL THAT CITIES CAN USE TO BENCHMARK AND MONITOR PROGRESS OF THEIR BIODIVERSITY CONSERVATION EFFORTS AGAINST THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL BASELINE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A SELF-REPORT CARD TOWARDS YOUR OWN GOALS SO YOU CAN TRACK PROGRESS AND, UM, HOLD YOURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE. 
          AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL CAN CHECK, CAN, CAN CHECK ON PROGRESS. 
          UM, THESE INDICATORS IN THE SCORECARD YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THESE ARE GROUPED BY CATEGORIES AND THEY INCLUDE BROADLY NATIVE BIODIVERSITY ECOSYSTEM SERVICES, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND THEN GOVERNANCE AND MANAGEMENT. 
          HOW ARE, HOW ARE DIFFERENT METRICS IN EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES HELPING, UM, ADVANCE BIODIVERSITY GOALS THAT THE CITY ITSELF FORMS. AND THE BASIC IDEA IS TO CAPTURE BASELINE DATA, PROMOTE BIODIVERSITY ACTIONS, AND CREATE NEW POLICY AND IMPLEMENTATION NETWORKS THAT FURTHER YOUR OWN BIODIVERSITY AND RESTORATION EFFORTS. 
          UM, CALIFORNIA PARTNERS LIKE LA COUNTY HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED THIS CONCEPT AND OTHER LOCAL CITIES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ARE, ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT PETALUMA MIGHT DO AND WAITING TO FOLLOW SUIT. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO EACH OF THOSE 23 INDICATORS, THIS IS AGAIN GONNA BE TOO SMALL TO SEE, BUT EACH OF THOSE 23 INDICATORS WITHIN THE SINGAPORE GUIDEBOOK IS BROKEN INTO, UM, SORT OF ITS OWN GUIDEPOSTS LIKE THIS. 
          THESE THREE, I JUST PICKED THREE RANDOMLY OUT OF THOSE, NOT RANDOMLY. 
          I PICKED THREE OUTTA THOSE 23. 
          JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, THESE ARE BIODIVERSITY, CLIMATE, RESILIENCE, AND COMMUNITY SCIENCE. 
          AND SO EACH ONE OF THESE CARDS WITHIN THE GUIDEBOOK CONTAINS A RATIONALE FOR THE INDICATOR. 
          WHY SHOULD YOU MEASURE IT? WHAT'S THE REASONING? WHERE CAN YOU GET THE DATA? IT COULD BE THAT SCIENTISTS COLLECT IT, IT COULD BE THAT COMMUNITY SCIENTISTS OR CITIZENS GO OUT AND COLLECT THE DATA, AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, OR IT COULD BE THAT THE DATA COMES FROM EXISTING SPATIAL LAYERS THAT ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN DATABASES OR CITY RECORDS. 
          SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS YOU CAN GET THAT INITIAL DATA. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO ALSO INCLUDED ON THESE CARDS IS A FORMULA OR A VERY SIMPLE, UM, WAY TO CALCULATE THE INDICATOR. 
          SO IT WALKS YOU THROUGH EACH STEP OF THE WAY IN THIS HANDBOOK AND HOW YOU COULD USE THE INDICATORS. 
          AND OF COURSE, STUDIES CAN ALSO CREATE THEIR OWN OWN INDICATORS. 
          THIS IS JUST A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT BE DONE. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE 
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PLEASE. 
          SO THE PROPOSAL FOR PETALUMA THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED BETWEEN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, UM, PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS, BUT, AND THEN POINT BLUE, BUT ALSO OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING THIS RELATIONSHIP FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND BUILDING THE IDEA FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A COMMUNITY DRIVEN BIODIVERSITY INDEX MIRRORED OFF OF THE SINGAPORE INDEX THAT I SHOWED YOU A SNAPSHOT OF. 
          BUT WE ARE ADDING SOME SPECIAL THINGS, I THINK. 
          UM, AND IT HAS TWO OVERARCHING, I THINK, GOALS THE WAY THAT I WOULD PUT IT, WHICH IS OF COURSE, BOTH SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY AND BE GOOD STEWARDS AND BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES BIODIVERSITY PROVIDES, AS I TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT ALSO BIODIVERSITY IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S LESS ABSTRACT THAN CLIMATE OR OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCEPTS THAN IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN GO OUT AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES AND BE INSPIRED AND MOTIVATED BY. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT WAY TO OFFER COMMUNITY, ENGAGE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN IN YOUR EFFORTS. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S INNOVATIVE ABOUT OUR APPROACH? I THINK WHAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT AROUND THIS APPROACH IS THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING WOULD INCLUDE PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS AS AN INTEGRAL PARTNER. 
          AND SO WE'D BE WORKING WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS TO PROVIDE, UM, AND CREATE AND PROVIDE TEACHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE PETALUMA CITY SCHOOL STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE CITIZEN OR COMMUNITY SCIENTISTS, THAT WOULD BE THE DATA COLLECTORS, UM, AND SCIENCE AND DATA SUPPORT. 
          THEN TO SUPPORT THIS IDEA WOULD BE PROVIDED BY POINT BLUE IN OUR INFORMATICS DEPARTMENT WHERE WE COULD CURATE THE DATA AS WELL AS HELPING SUPPORT THE TEACHERS IN CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT AND PROFESSIONAL AND, AND FINDING A WAY TO INTEGRATE THIS INTO THE ALREADY PROGRESSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY CURRICULUM IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAN USE THIS, USE THIS FRAMEWORK TO ALSO IDENTIFY RESTORATION AND CONSERVATION PRIORITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CURRENT STATUS, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          WE'RE DEVELOPING FUNDING PROPOSALS TO HELP SUPPORT THIS IDEA. 
          THE INITIAL STAGE WOULD BE FRAMEWORK DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE WOULD BE PULLING TOGETHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS TO BUILD THE INDICATOR FRAMEWORK. 
          WHAT DO WE WANNA MEASURE? UM, WHY, WHEN, HOW ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, DEVELOPING THE, WHAT THE TEACHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO SUPPORT INTEGRATING THIS INTO THE SCHOOLS, SETTING UP FOR STUDENT PILOT BIOBLITZES, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY EXCITING USING EXISTING VERY SIMPLE TOOLS LIKE INATURALIST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S USED IT, BUT CAN USE IT ON, ON IPADS OR OTHER DEVICES THAT THE STUDENTS ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO TAKE A PICTURE OF A PLANT OR SOMETHING OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT CAN BE IDENTIFIED FOR THEM AND THAT DATA'S EASY TO EXPORT AND USE FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT WAY TO EASILY INVOLVE STUDENTS IN, UM, DATA COLLECTION THAT'S MEANINGFUL. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY FOR COMMUNITY SCIENCE. 
          STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT INVOLVING LOCAL PEOPLE IN MONITORING AND DATA COLLECTION OFTEN RESULTS IN BETTER POLICY AND IMPLEMENTATION OUTCOMES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING MODEL TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, OKAY, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW IT'S TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? DOES THE COMMISSION UN UNLESS COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION IN ADVANCE? I I HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          SHOULD I START? OKAY, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME. 
          UM, UH, YOU MENTIONED SINGAPORE, I THINK IN THERE, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT, UM, KIND OF IDEAS ARE OUT THERE TO INCORPORATE NATURE INTO CITY PLANNING? THERE IS A WEALTH OF RESOURCES ON THAT CITIES WITH NATURE, UM, PLATFORM THAT I QUICKLY SHOWED. 
          SO THERE'S A TON OF EXAMPLES ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          THE SINGAPORE BIODIVERSITY INDEX I HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE IT'S ONE THAT'S BECOME THE MODEL FRAMEWORK THAT UNDERPINS I THINK ALL OF THE REST. 
          SO A LOT OF CITIES ARE STARTING WITH THIS BASIC IDEA OF CREATING A BIODIVERSITY INDEX, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN THAT IDEA OF ESPECIALLY USING, I THINK, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO HELP GAUGE PROGRESS IN WHATEVER WAY YOU'RE ENGAGING THEM, UM, PROVIDES THAT I THINK MOTIVATION AND MOMENTUM FOR INCORPORATING NATURE INTO PLANNING. 
          BUT IN THE RESOURCE THAT I SHOWED, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF, UM, THERE'S QUITE A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW TO, TO WORK THOSE, THE RESULTS OF THAT INDEX INTO THE PLANNING. 
          UM, BEYOND THAT, THERE'S EXAMPLES I KNOW ABOUT THROUGH LISBON AND PORTUGAL HAS TAKEN THIS IDEA ALL THE WAY THROUGH STARTING TO DEVELOP INTO PLANNING. 
          LA COUNTY IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR JOURNEY WITH IT. 
          SO THEY'VE DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED FORMALLY LA COUNTY BIODIVERSITY INDEX AND THEY'RE ALREADY INCORPORATING 
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THAT INTO THEIR, UM, INTO THEIR PLANS. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER MODEL TO TAKE A LOOK AT TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          DID WE HAVE ANY POINT BLUE PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING ON THE HABITAT WORKING GROUP? UH, WELL, NO, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          OH. 
          BUT UM, 'CAUSE WE JUST, WE JUST, UM, CREATED A NEW GENERAL PLAN RIGHT? FOR THE NEXT LIKE 25 YEARS OR SOMETHING. 
          WERE THERE ANY POINT BLUE VOICES IN THE OH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, I CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THIS BIODIVERSITY INDEX DOES SHOW UP IN THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION. 
          UM, BOTH ACTUALLY CREATING A BIODIVERSITY ASSESSMENT AND BASICALLY A BIODIVERSITY SCORECARD. 
          UH, AS WELL AS PARTNERING WITH POINT BLUE TO, TO DO THIS WITH SCHOOLS AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, IT CAME OUT OF THE HABITAT WORKING GROUP THAT IS WORKING ON THE HABITAT, UH, GARDENING CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THIS IS BASICALLY A, A COMMUNITY AND BASED INITIATIVE AS IT RELATES TO COMPREHENSIVE LAND MANAGEMENT. 
          HOW DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU PLANT? THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THIS STARTED WITH OF LIKE, YOU HAVE TO PLANT THE RIGHT PLANTS IN ORDER TO ATTRACT THE RIGHT BIODIVERSITY ON THE SPECIES SIDE, RIGHT? AND SO IT CAME OUT OF THAT WORKING GROUP WORKING ON CREATING A COLLABORATIVE, UH, CARBON GARDEN CAMPAIGN THAT WE'RE NOT CALLING OUR CARBON GARDEN CAMPAIGN. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE, UH, HARDER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT, UH, THAT IS, THIS ENDS UP BEING THE BASELINE FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO HOW WE CAN PLANT, HOW WE CAN CARE FOR ALL OF OUR LANDS, NOT JUST OUR OWN PUBLIC LAND. 
          PEOPLE LANDS. 
          WHEN I SAY PUBLIC LANDS,  OUR, OUR HOMES, RIGHT? BUT OUR, OUR PARKS OPEN SPACE, ALL OF THAT STARTS TO PLAY INTO THIS AS WE ALL START, WE BUILD ON THE KNOWLEDGE OF WE REPLANTED WITH NATIVE PLANTS AND IT BROUGHT THIS MUCH MORE BIODIVERSITY AND IT IT BUILDS ON ITSELF. 
          SO THIS SETS THAT FOUNDATION ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A, UH, SOME DATA AVAILABLE HERE FROM THE, SOME OF THE SCIENCE, UH, THAT CITIZEN SCIENCE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON PART OF THE PENAL WETLANDS. 
          AND WE JUST HAD A BOARD MEETING JUST, UH, UM, TUESDAY NIGHT. 
          AND WE HAVE THE, UH, WE JUST GOT THE DATA, 10 YEARS OF DATA ON MONTHLY BIRD COUNTS THAT, UH, THEY WERE ACTUALLY GONNA CALL YOU OR, OR ONE OF SOMEONE IN POINT BLUE IN AND ACTUALLY DELIVER THAT SHORTLY, UH, TO USE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, READY TO GO FOR, FOR AT LEAST BIRDS FOR THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY IN, IN WETLAND UPLAND, UH, AREAS, BUT SPECIFIC. 
          SO, UH, THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, BESIDES THAT DATA, ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR CITY BIODIVERSITY? ARE WE KIND OF PINPOINTING THE BEST PLACE IN THE CITY OR DO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OR MEDIAN OR GENERAL CITY ENVIRONMENT? UM, SO WHEN CLASSIFYING BIODIVERSITY, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM OUR VERY HIGH NUMBERS IN A VERY SPECIFIC SPOT VERSUS OUR GENERAL CITY. 
          SO, UH, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WORK THAT OUT? WELL, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE SORT OF THE FIRST STAGE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET FUNDING FOR IS BRINGING TOGETHER STAKEHOLDERS LIKE YOU THAT CAN COME IN AND HELP US IDENTIFY HOW WE WANNA DO THIS. 
          'CAUSE THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY ONE WAY IT'S UP TO PETALUMA TO DEFINE, UM, WHAT THEY WANNA MEASURE AND HOW THEY WANNA MEASURE IT AND WHEN, AND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE. 
          AND SO THE FIRST STAGE WOULD BE BRINGING TOGETHER THE PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO, TO, THAT WERE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING AND NEEDED TO BE IN THE ROOM LOOKING AT WHAT DATA WE HAVE AVAILABLE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          AND THEN IDENTIFYING, UM, WHAT OUR DATA GAPS MIGHT BE AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER DATA WE MAY NEED TO BE COLLECTING AND AREN'T YET. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FRAMEWORK THAT WOULD BE THIS PLANNING PHASE OR A PLANNING GRANT THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR THAT WOULD ALLOW US, PROVIDE US WITH RESOURCES TO LET US DO EXACTLY THAT. 
          LIKE TRY TO MAKE SOME OF THESE TOUGH DECISIONS, WHICH KIND OF TAKES EVERYBODY BEING IN THE ROOM. 
          AND PART OF THAT IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANNA DO AND ALSO THAT THEN INCREASE INCREASES, I THINK ADOPTION AND BUY-IN AFTERWARDS IF PEOPLE CAN CO-CREATE WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO US, UM, AND TO THE MODEL. 
          AND SO WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA INCORPORATE, UM, A PILOT WHERE WE CAN UTILIZE STUDENTS AS DATA COLLECTORS AND EMPOWER THEM IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, AS, AS PART OF WHATEVER WE DO WITH THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          THAT'S THE PIECE WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING, UH, MOST CLOSELY RIGHT NOW. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE, UH, THE BIRDS NOW HEADING TOWARD THE VEGETATION. 
          THERE'S TREES AND THEN THE LOWER, UH, GROUND COVER VEGETATION TYPES AND AMONGST TREES, WE HAVE THE URBAN FORESTRY PLAN. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE DATA COLLECTED ON TREE SPECIES HERE IN TOWN. 
          SO THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN, BUT FOR A LOT OF THE UNDERGROWTH, FOR THE SPECIES THAT ARE, UM, UH, ENDEMIC, UH, WE HAVE, UM, CITY ENVIRONMENT VERSUS 
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THOSE NATURAL HABITATS. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY MORE OR LESS GONNA BE MEADOWS AND UPLANDS AND MORE RURAL TYPE SITUATIONS VERSUS CITY. 
          SO, UH, WOULD IT HELP IF, UM, WE COULD FIND THOSE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE SPECIES, COLLECT SOME SEEDS, GROW THEM, AND THEN HAVE THEM SPECIFICALLY PUT INTO SPECIFIC GARDENS, LIKE GRAIN GARDENS AND PEOPLE'S HOMES TO ACTUALLY ENHANCE THAT? CAN WE DO THAT TO INCREASE OUR BIODIVERSITY OR, OR WE LIMIT IT ANY ANYWAY? I'LL SAY YES. 
          IF, IF I, I THINK THAT SOUNDS AMAZING. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE, AND WE DO, UM, WE'RE OPERATING SEVERAL NATIVE PLANT NURSERIES. 
          ONE OF THEM'S AT CASA GRANDE GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE ARE RUNNING, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR HORTICULTURAL HOR, I CANNOT SPEAK TONIGHT. 
          THEIR HOR HORTICULTURE ALMOST THERE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE SOME NURSERY FACILITIES AVAILABLE. 
          WE HAVE OTHER SITES AS WELL WHERE WE LIKE TO SOURCE LOCALLY GROWN SEEDS. 
          UM, WE TYPICALLY UTILIZE STUDENTS TO HELP US GROW THEM. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A GREAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY AND SKILLS, BUILDING OPPORTUNITY TOO. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF CAN WE COLLECT SEEDS? AND I MEAN, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY YES, DEB. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH, I THINK IT SOUNDS, I THINK THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. 
          AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, BY THE WAY, I BUILT IT , SO, UM, SO I'D BE GLAD TO COME OUT AND HELP AT ANY TIME. 
          AWESOME. 
          ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOVING TO ANOTHER SPECIES, WHICH WOULD BE MOSTLY THE, THE INSECTS. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, OF COURSE THE SOIL BIOTA. 
          AND SO, UH, INSECTS MAY BE EASIER 'CAUSE FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, YOU CAN COLLECT MOST A LOT OF THAT STUFF OR ON THE GROUND. 
          SO FOR A SPECIES, UM, FOR INSECTS, CAN WE, WITH, CAN WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE INDEX HERE TO, TO START MEASURING? BECAUSE IF WITH ALL THE NUMBER OF, UM, NATIVE PLANTS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING INTO OUR YARDS AND, AND THAT MOVEMENT HAS BEEN GROWING, CAN WE, UH, INCREASE THAT COUNT, UH, OF COLLECTION AND, AND SPECIES? THERE ARE, CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH. 
          POLLINATORS ARE DEFINITELY BUILT INTO THE SINGAPORE INDEX. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S A COMMON, THAT'S A COMMON IN, THAT'S A COMMON INDICATOR TO TRACK. 
          I THINK THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING ONE. 
          UM, GOOD ONE FOR STUDENTS IN SOME CASES TO WORK ON TOO. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD I THINK, BE A GREAT INDICATOR TO WORK IN AS WE BUILD THAT INDICATOR FRAMEWORK WITH THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          UM, SOIL AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE, UM, SOIL RESEARCH AND CONSERVATION TEAM WITHIN POINT BLUE. 
          AND IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT FAR AND BE LOOKING AT THE SOIL BIOTA, THAT'S I THINK SUPER INTERESTING. 
          I THINK, I THINK I THINK THAT WOULD DEPEND ON, UM, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT EVERYONE INVOLVED CAME UP WITH FOR THEIR SHARED GOALS. 
          AND, AND WE HAVE SCHOOLS THAT NOT ONLY INSIDE THE CITY, BUT ALSO SEVERAL THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE HEADING ON AT. 
          SO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY, ARE WE SPECIFICALLY FORCED TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES, THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, OR CAN WE DO IT WITHIN THE WATER? OUR SMALL WATERSHED HERE? HOW FAR OUT CAN WE GO FOR THIS BY, FOR THESE MEASURES WE COULD GO AS FAR AS WE WANT, BUT THE, FOR THE INITIAL PHASE, IT, THE PILOT PHASE, IT IS STARTING WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS AND STARTING WITH THOSE SCHOOLS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT OUR, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S OUR JURISDICTION IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS BECOMES A REPLICABLE MODEL THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE ARE CREATING A TOOLKIT OR A, I'M, I'M USING PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD, BUT PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT OTHER, WE WANT THIS TO BE A MODEL OF A COMMUNITY LED BIODIVERSITY INDEX SO THAT IT DOESN'T JUST STAY WITHIN PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS OR JUST EVEN WITHIN THE THREE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES, THAT IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS CAN USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PENDULUM CITY SCHOOLS, UM, HAVING TAUGHT IN THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, I, I KNOW SOME OF MY STUDENTS LIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND ACTUALLY GREW IN, AND, AND SOME OF OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE FULL OF MORE RURAL STUDENTS THAT ARE ON, ON SOME OF THE FARMS OUT THERE. 
          SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ALSO INCLUDE THEIR COLLECTION NEARBY THEIR HOUSES AND HOMES TO BE INCLUDED IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET MORE NATURE BASED OUT THERE IN THE RURAL LANDS. 
          AND IT'S JUST SOME IDEAS TO THROW OUT YOU AT YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ANY OTHER, YES. 
          UM, I'M CURIOUS, AFTER THIS DATA IS COLLECTED, UH, WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE DATA, HOW IT IMPACTS THE PLANNING? LIKE WHAT DOES IT ENABLE US TO DO? I THINK AT THE BARE MINIMUM, IT WOULD ENABLE TO SET, IT WOULD ENABLE YOU ALL TO SET PRIORITIES FOR, SO GAPS CAN BE IDENTIFIED FOR WHERE ARE THINGS DOING WELL, WHERE ARE THEY DOING LESS WELL. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SET PRIORITIES FOR HOW YOU WANT TO, THIS IS WHERE WE MIGHT NEED DEB, BUT IMPLEMENT OTHER CITY PLANNING AND FUNCTIONS. 
          SO I WORK ON THE BIODIVERSITY SIDE. 
          I NEED YOU FOR THE, YEAH. 
          PLANNING IT, IT SPECIFICALLY FALLS UNDERNEATH OUR, UM, AGAIN, THAT OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. 
          UH, THE INTENT IS NATURAL OPEN SPACES, LANDSCAPE SPACES, AGRICULTURE AREAS, AND OTHER GREEN SPACES ARE MANAGED IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS BIODIVERSITY HABITAT CONNECTIVITY, AND INCREASES CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO NATURE. 
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SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE OVERALL STRATEGY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE MAIN METRICS IS THE CHANGE IN BIODIVERSITY SCORE. 
          LIKE WE HAVE TO SET THE BASELINE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE SO THAT WE KNOW HOW IT GROWS OVER TIME. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THIS COMMUNITY, WE, WE CHOOSE THOSE METRICS THAT GO INTO THAT BIODIVERSITY INDEX AS A COMMUNITY. 
          WE, AND THEN WE COMPARE AGAINST THEM OVER TIME USING INATURALIST AND THE METRICS THAT POINT BLUE CAN HELP US MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BE TRACKED IN A WAY THAT'S USEFUL. 
          AND, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, WORKING GROUP IS TRYING TO CREATE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION, IT'S, IT'S WORKING COLLABORATIVE, LIVELY. 
          IT IS KIND OF RECIPES THAT PEOPLE, THAT HOMEOWNERS, THAT PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY COULD PLANT IN THEIR OWN YARDS. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS ABOUT THIS KIND OF CROWDSOURCED BIODIVERSITY TRACKING IS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THESE SPECIES ARE IN THIS AREA AND THAT ATTRACTED THIS. 
          AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT RADIUS OF EFFECT IS LIKE WHERE YOU SEE THOSE MONARCH BUTTERFLIES SHOWING FROM, UM, FROM THE PLANTS THAT YOU'RE PLANTING FURTHER OUT AND, AND THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF TRACK LIKE KNOWING WHEN THOSE PLANT SPECIES WENT IN, WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THEM IN OTHER PLACES. 
          SO IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A REALLY, REALLY NEAT CITY SCALE SCIENCE EXPERIMENT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE EXPECT TO SEE GREATER BIODIVERSITY, UM, BUT THIS WILL GIVE US SOME REAL DATA. 
          UM, AND USING KIDS TO HELP US COLLECT THAT DATA JUST KIND OF REALLY ENGAGES ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT FUNDING FOR POINT BLUE. 
          UM, YOU GUYS ARE A NONPROFIT AND I IMAGINE YOU PARTNER WITH THE CITY FOR SOME OF IT, BUT WHERE DOES THE REST OF THE FUNDING COME FROM? GRANTS YOU SAID YOU'RE APPLYING FOR? YEAH, WE ARE. 
          FOR US, WE ARE COMPLETELY SOFT MONEY. 
          SO WE FUNDRAISE, WRITE GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR EVERYTHING WE DO. 
          OUR ANNUAL BUDGET IS 35 MILLION THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S BEEN IN FLUX, BUT, SO WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT BRINGING IN PUBLIC GRANTS. 
          AND WE WOULD IMAGINE THAT THIS WHOLE PROJECT WOULD BE GRANT FUNDED. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT TOGETHER, THE CITY'S LEADING THE GRANT ACTUALLY, BUT WE'RE SUPPORTING IS IT MOSTLY LIKE CALIFORNIA OR FEDERAL OR MIX, I GUESS RIGHT NOW? CALIFORNIA, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          QUESTION, A QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE 10 ENDANGERED OR THREATENED SPECIES. 
          I IMAGINE ONE WAY TO SORT OF MEASURE THE INDEX IS BY YOUR MOST THREATENED AND YOUR PROGRESS ON THAT, WHICH IS PERHAPS ALSO THE MOST DIFFICULT. 
          AND THEN YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE RED-LEGGED FROG SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO WHAT IS THE REALITY OR FEASIBILITY OF SORT OF BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK OR CREATING AND PROTECTING HABITAT FOR SOMETHING THAT THREATENED? THAT IS A BIG QUESTION. 
          I THINK WE DO KNOW THAT HABITAT RESTORATION IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AT SUPPORTING SPECIES RECOVERY. 
          SO WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT. 
          I, I AM NOT A HEPATOLOGIST, I'LL BE HONEST. 
          I JUST LIKE THE CALIFORNIA RED-LEGGED FROG, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATE OF THE LITERATURE IS ON THAT ONE, BUT, BUT RESTORATION WE KNOW IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE, UM, AT SUPPORTING SPECIES. 
          UM, I KNOW MOST ABOUT BIRDS. 
          THERE'S, WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF SCIENCE ON THAT FROM POINT BLUE. 
          UM, HOW TIDAL MARSH, UM, RESTORATION EFFORTS HAVE BEEN CREATED. 
          DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENTS IN POPULATION RECOVERY FOR THINGS LIKE SECRETIVE MARSH BIRDS, THAT, THAT ARE LISTED SPECIES. 
          UM, SO IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER WE WOULD FOCUS ON ENDANGERED OR THREATENED SPECIES FOR THE INDEX, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK FOR, WE'RE NOT SETTING THE PRIORITIES UPFRONT. 
          I'M NOT SETTING THEM, DEB'S NOT SETTING THEM. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE COMMUNITY DRIVEN AND BRING IN COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DECIDE. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, UM, THERE'S NO RIGHT ANSWER IN HOW TO MEASURE YOUR, UM, YOUR BIODIVERSITY AGAINST YOURSELF FOR YOURSELF, FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER AND SAY, THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA MEASURE BECAUSE THIS IS HOW WE WANNA USE IT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S OUR RATIONALE. 
          SO I THINK MOST LIKELY WITH THE MODEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WITH WORKING WITH STUDENTS, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T FOCUS ONLY ON, UM, ENDANGERED SPECIES. 
          THAT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US. 
          BUT WE WOULD SEE, I THINK WHAT THE COMMUNITY WORKING GROUP, HOWEVER IT WAS MADE UP, WHAT PRIORITIES THEY CAME UP WITH WE'RE, WE'RE NOT COMING UP WITH THEM FOR THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UM, JUST, UH, HOW, SO MAYBE FOR THE PE ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WHO DOESN'T KNOW, WE, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION HELPED TO, HELPED, THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAKEHOLDERS AND IT HELPED TO DEVELOP THE BLUEPRINT FOR 
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CLIMATE ACTION, WHICH THEN INFORMED THE JOURNAL PLAN. 
          AND, UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, HOW CAN, HOW DO YOU SEE LIKE THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UM, HELPING SUPPORT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING? BECAUSE I THINK THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IS SUPPORTING THE BLUEPRINT. 
          DEB . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE, THAT'S FINE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS OVERLAPPING WITH WHAT THE, THE NATURAL SYSTEMS, HEALTHY SOILS, UM, PEOPLE ARE DOING THE WORKING GROUP. 
          I, I, I'LL JUMP IN REAL QUICK. 
          UM, WHEN WE SET UP THE WORKING GROUPS, WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT THOSE WORKING GROUPS WOULD SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          AND WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND MANAGEMENT SLASH CARBON GARDENING, WHATEVER IT STARTED OUT WITH IT, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, LIKE, IT CHECKS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BOXES IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ONE, UM, THE BIODIVERSITY INDEX, LIKE ALL THAT. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND I THINK WHAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION CAN DO GOING FORWARD IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL ON THE GRANT, UM, OR EVEN IF WE'RE NOT AND WE JUST WANT TO DO IT FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON ANYHOW, IF WE WANNA JUST HAVE A BIOBLITZ ANYHOW, IS THAT AGAIN, WHAT YOU ALL DO BEST. 
          YOUR COMMUNITY LEADERS TALKING TO YOUR COMMUNITY, PROMOTING THIS, GETTING THE WORD OUT, UM, GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED, UM, AND BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, BEACON OF LIGHT TO KIND OF HELP US SHINE LIGHT ON THESE THINGS THAT, THAT NEED BEING DONE IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S THAT THAT NEXUS OF EDUCATION THAT YOU ALL ARE, UM, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THIS. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA BE PARTICIPANTS AS WELL. 
          I, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE WOULD NOT TURN AWAY ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN GRABBING, DOWNLOADING INATURALIST ONTO YOUR PHONE IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. 
          AND GOING OUT AND TAKING PICTURES OF ALL SORTS OF ANIMALS AND PLANTS. 
          IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF FUN. 
          KIND OF FEELS LIKE A CHECKLIST SAYING LIKE, OH, I GOT A NEW ONE. 
          THIS IS SO . 
          SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S ALMOST LIKE GAMIFYING, UM, THESE NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS. 
          IT'S, IT'S GRABBING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IN, IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND NOW WE WILL OPEN IT TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. 
          UM, LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT PROBLEM TODAY, BUT NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? UH, YES. 
          ONE COMMENT WAS RECEIVED. 
          YOU WERE EMAILED IT EARLIER AND IT'S BEEN POSTED TO THE WEB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          CAN I MAKE JUST A COMMENT ON THE, ON THE SLIDE PRESENTATION? SURE. 
          I, I DIDN'T SHOW QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE GOING INTO COMMENTS YET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, JUST TO, UM, 'CAUSE I'VE DONE, I WORKED WITH THE GLOBE PROJECT COLLECTING, UH, WEATHER DATA WITH STUDENTS AS, BECAUSE I DID THAT AS ONE, AS A TEACHER. 
          I STARTED THAT PROJECT, I WORKED WITH THEM. 
          I HELPED DEVELOP SOME OF THAT CURRICULUM FOR THE NATIONAL LEVEL LONG TIME AGO. 
          UM, AND, UM, IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS COLLECTING, HAVING STUDENTS COLLECTING THE DATA. 
          IT TENDS TO BE TEACHER DRIVEN AND IT'S USUALLY JUST A FEW TEACHERS THAT DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT THOSE. 
          TEACHERS TEND TO BE NEARING RETIREMENT MANY TIMES 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY EXPERIENCED. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S LOSS OF DATA THAT BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVERS ON AT SCHOOL CAMPUSES OF, OF TEACHERS. 
          THE, UH, OTHER PROJECT, UM, I, THERE WAS A, UH, WATER, UH, NUTRIENTS ANALYSIS PROJECT THAT, UH, FRIENDS OF PAMA RIVER ACTUALLY USED, UH, THAT I ALSO PARTICIPATED WITH, UH, UM, FOR MY, WITH MY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. 
          AND THAT PROGRAM, UH, WENT AWAY 'CAUSE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE DATA. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PROGRAM. 
          SO IF THE EXPECTATION IS WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE BY DIVERSITY OF CHANGE OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT IT WOULD TAKE, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RESTORATION IN MASS. 
          THIS HAPPENS IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. 
          IT WOULD TAKE A MASSIVE CHANGE IN POLICY AND NEITHER HUGE PESTICIDES LACK OF USE OR REDUCED USE OR DEVELOPMENT OF, OF LANDSCAPING TO CREATE A, A ANY REAL MEASURE, UH, OTHER THAN SMALL, INCIDENTAL, ISOLATED CASES. 
          SO, UM, THE PROGRAM I THINK IS, WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY GOOD AS AN EDUCATION PROGRAM, GETTING THE STUDENTS ENGAGED, GETTING, COLLECTING DATA, CREATING A BIOLOGICAL, UH, BIODIVERSITY INDEX JUST AS AN INDEX. 
          BUT LOOKING AT, TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND THAT I'M THINKING IS, IS RAISING EXPECTATIONS MAYBE A LITTLE ON THE HIGH SIDE, BUT I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT AND AND LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO GET EVEN THIS INTO THE, THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF, UM, VOLUNTEERS HERE IN TOWN THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP WITH THE SCHOOL PROGRAMS BESIDES, UH, JUST YOU GUYS HERE AND THE TEACHERS. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT. 
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UH, THE 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MAY 14TH, 2026. 
          ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT, THEN WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITHOUT CHANGES AS PRESENTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE EV AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION DISCUSSION. 
          UM, IS STAFF PRESENTING OR COMMISSIONER PETERS? I CAN VERY BRIEFLY KICK IT OFF AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TURN IT OVER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, THERE WAS AN INTEREST FROM THE EV AD HOC TO TALK ABOUT THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, AN EV SALES STAFF HOLIDAY SLASH REBATE PROGRAM, MULTIFAMILY ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UM, CHARGING PILOT PROGRAM, AN EV CHARGING HUB DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THERE, THE AD HOC CREATED A DOCUMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET TO DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE INITIATIVE PROPOSALS WERE. 
          AND I THINK I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE AD HOC TO GIVE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. 
          THE INTEREST IN THIS WAS, UM, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A MORE FOCUSED DISCUSSION ON THAT AND POSSIBLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE, UM, SENT TO, UM, TO STAFF FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL. 
          SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE AD HOC TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL IT UP THE DOCUMENT? YES. 
          OUR SCREENS ARE NOT WORKING. 
          I AND I, I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE SCREENS ARE NOT WORKING. 
          UM, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO CRANE YOUR NECKS TO SEE IT. 
          MORGAN'S NOT HERE. 
          I KNOW EXACTLY. 
          LIKE IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE NEWBIE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO? I  THEY USUALLY JUST ARE ON, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT WORKING HERE. 
          WE COULD TURN THIS SCREEN IF THAT WOULD HELP. 
          PATRICK, THE ONE, THE BIG ONE BEHIND US. 
          THIS ONE. 
          THE MOVE PIVOT. 
          THAT ONE IT I THINK. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          OH, THAT'S SO MUCH BIGGER, BUT THAT'LL WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TURN AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OR FULL SCREEN. 
          I, THAT DIDN'T HELP, DID IT. 
          SO WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AS AN AD HOC MENTIONED A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          I THINK WE KIND OF HAVE ROUGHLY A DOZEN SORT OF, UM, TOPICS AT LEAST THAT ARE IN OUR VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE KIND OF AT THE ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATION OF A FEW PEOPLE AND MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          AND THEN HERE IS SORT OF, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE TO THOSE IDEAS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THREE IDEAS. 
          THE FIRST BEING THE EV SALES TAX, UH, HOLIDAY OR TAX REBATE I GUESS. 
          UM, AND BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DETAILS OF EACH OF THEM, I WILL SAY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS GROUP'S ABILITY IS TO, UM, CONFIRM WE ARE GENERALLY ALIGNED WITH THIS APPROACH. 
          TWEAK SORT OF SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD LIKE A CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE INTERNALLY TO CITY STAFF AND EVENTUALLY AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR OWN SORT OF INDIVIDUAL COMMITMENTS TO TRY AND SEE THAT THROUGH WHEN IT REACHES THOSE GROUPS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF KICKING OFF THE IDEAS AND SORT OF STIMULATING THE CONVERSATION AT A BROADER LEVEL IS SORT OF THE GOAL OR OUTCOME WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, GOING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE EV SALES TAX HOLIDAY, THERE'S A BIT OF SORT OF MATH INVOLVED AND THEN A BULLET POINT OF PROPOSED ACTIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS ONE HAS A FINANCIAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF LOST TAX REVENUE, THERE IS A CONVERSATION NEED TO BE HAD SORT OF WITH THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT, JUST EVEN IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY CARS WE'RE SELLING IN TOWN AND THEN WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE EVS, WHICH I IMAGINE THAT DATA IS, IS, YOU KNOW, NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD TODAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE FIRST ASK IS LIKE, LET'S GET THE DATA AND REALLY TRY AND APPROXIMATE WHAT THAT COULD BE. 
          UM, AND THE SECOND BIG ASK IS SORT OF, 
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YOU KNOW, EITHER AT THE AD HOC LEVEL OR CITY STAFF LEVEL ENGAGEMENT WITH, UM, THE VARIOUS AUTO DEALERS, IDEALLY AUTO ALL OF THEM OR PERHAPS JUST ONE OF THEM, UM, IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE MECHANICS OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY PROMOTE THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME, SO THEY HAVE SORT OF THIS STRUCTURE IN PLACE AND IT'S REALLY HOW DOES THE CITY TAP INTO THAT? AND THEN SORT OF, UM, BOTH HELP PROMOTE IT AND THEN HELP, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE SORT OF MODEST, UM, FINANCIAL INCENTIVE INVOLVED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LAST COUPLE THINGS I GUESS I'LL SAY ON THIS IS THE EV SALES TAX HOLIDAY ITSELF IS A RATHER MODEST FINANCIAL INCENTIVE. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE CALIFORNIA REBATE, PG E REBATES, YOU KNOW, GAS PRICES. 
          AND SO THIS PARTICULAR STRATEGY IS LESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE ECONOMIC NEEDLE INCREMENTALLY, BUT MORE ABOUT TAPPING INTO AN EXISTING FRAMEWORK OF PROMOTION. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE JULY 4TH AUTO SALES TAX HOLIDAY OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S THE, UM, WHAT'S THE CLIMATE DAY IN APRIL? WHAT'S IT CALLED? EARTH DAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EARTH DAY. 
          YEAH, LIKE EARTH DAY EV, SALES TAX HOLIDAY, RIGHT? AND EVERYONE'S, OH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AN EV AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NORMALLY LISTEN TO AUTO MALL ADS, BUT I DO LISTEN TO THE CITY AND OH, NOW I LEARNED ABOUT THIS $3,000 REBATE FROM THE STATE, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, AND YOU WOULD HOPE THAT OUR AUTO DEALERS ARE INCENTIVIZED TO SELL MORE VEHICLES AND THEN SORT OF A SECONDARY OR KNOCK ON EFFECT WOULD BE LIKE, WOW, THAT REALLY WORKED. 
          WHY DON'T WE TRY AND DO MORE OF THAT? YOU KNOW, THE AUTO DEALERS ARE IN A INTERESTING POSITION RIGHT NOW, AND THE MORE WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY BODY TO HELP SORT OF LEAD THEM INTO A LEADERSHIP POSITION, I THINK THE MORE, UM, WE CAN DO. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES, IT WILL REQUIRE SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THOSE DEALERS AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT TBD KIND OF WHAT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE. 
          UM, AND SO I, WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT REALLY YET, AND THAT COULD BE LIKE A TOTAL FLOP, HONESTLY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AT LEAST A BIG PART OF MY PERSONAL, PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, INTEREST IN IT IS LIKE TO CREATE THAT ENGAGEMENT AND THAT LINK BECAUSE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A MEANINGFUL PORTION OF OUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, THE AUTO ROW THERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND SO I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN FROM A SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS PERSPECTIVE, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOES EVENTUALLY TRICKLE INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOULD BE COUNTED ON. 
          UH, I, I'LL STOP THERE ON THIS ONE. 
          HOPEFULLY THERE IS MORE DISCUSSION THAN ME TALKING. 
          SO, UM, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN ADD A COUPLE THINGS, UH, TO THE DISCUSSION LINE THINKING. 
          UM, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WOULD BE, UM, THAT, THAT WE DON'T, UH, THE EV SALES THAT THIS WOULD HA ENCOURAGE ARE IN, WOULD, MAYBE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY GOING ON, THAT THIS IS, UM, PLUS IF WE DON'T DO THIS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE EV SALES COME IN. 
          BUT THOSE FOLKS, UH, THAT ENCOURAGED TO BUY FROM THIS PROGRAM, THEY WOULD NOT BE BOUGHT ANYWAY. 
          WE WOULD NEVER SEE THE SALES TAX ANYWAY 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T BUY A VEHICLE, RIGHT? SO, SO IS IT NOT A REALLY TRUE LOSS? BECAUSE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE RECEIVING THAT MONIES ANYWAY IF THEY DIDN'T BUY THE CAR. 
          SO ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BUY THE CAR, UH, JUST INCREASING THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT ACTUAL, I DON'T SEE IT AS A FULL LOSS OF CITY REVENUE ON THAT, THAT PART. 
          UM, ANOTHER IDEA IS, UM, UH, ACTUALLY HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK AND PUTTING THE EFFORT ON THE, UM, ACTUALLY HAVING THE, UM, THE, THE DEALERS THAT ARE SELLING THESE THINGS WITH THESE PROGRAMS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY COLLECT THAT, THAT TAX. 
          THEY WOULD SEND IT TO US, TO THE CITY, AND THEN WE WOULD REIMBURSE THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT THE VEHICLE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A REBATE PROGRAM MAYBE, UNLESS IT'S A FORGIVENESS UPFRONT PROGRAM THAT, THAT THEY DON'T PAY. 
          SO JUST THE PROCESS OF HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK THERE, YOU HAVE TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT THE, UM, HOW TO MAKE IT WORK WITH MINIMUM CITY INVOLVEMENT. 
          AND MOST OF THE EFFORT IS BEING PUT ON THE ACTUAL DEALERSHIPS IN, IN THE ACTUAL PAPERWORK. 
          SO THEY, THEY HANDLE PAPERWORK REALLY WELL, UH, ON THESE TRANSACTIONS. 
          ANOTHER IDEA WHEN LOOKING AT, UM, WITH THE NUMBERS UP THERE AS THERE IS, UH, A 2050 VEHICLES AND $25,000 JUST AS, JUST THINK ABOUT AS AN ALTERNATE, UM, YOU COULD TAKE THAT $25,000 AND, AND, AND, AND HAVE A FI $500 REBATE ON E-BIKES FOR, FOR FOLKS AND, UH, AND, AND MULTIPLY THAT OUT BY, UH, THE NUMBER OF BIKES. 
          AND SO YOU END UP WITH A LOT MORE, UH, E-BIKES TRAVELING AROUND TOWN. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, MAYBE A COMPARISON 
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TO THINK ABOUT OR DO IN ADDITION TO. 
          SO IT'D BE AN E-BIKE PROGRAM AS WELL AS THIS TO ENCOURAGE BOTH, UH, GOING ALONG THE SAME ROUTE. 
          SO IF WE LIMIT THE CARS AND MAYBE PUT, PUT THE EXTRA MONEY INTO, UM, THAT TYPE OF REBATE PROGRAM, AND SEVERAL CITIES HAVE DONE THIS ACROSS THE US HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, HAVING THE PROGRAM EFFECT USUALLY WITHIN THE DAY, ONE DAY IT'S ALREADY, UH, UM, APPLIED FULL, FULL FORCE ALREADY IN 24 HOURS ONCE THIS GETS ADVERTISED IN ANY CITY THAT HAS DONE IT. 
          UH, SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THINGS JUST TO, JUST TO THINK ABOUT AS, AS POSSIBLE OPTIONS. 
          UM, BUT IT'S THE MARKETING THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GET THE WORD OUT. 
          OUR CITY SUPPORTS EVS AND THIS IS HOW WE CAN PUBLICIZE THAT. 
          SO IT'S AN ACTUAL ACTION. 
          OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, BUY, GO BUY AN EV. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT'S NOT PUTTING ANYTHING, ANY SKIN IN THE GAME. 
          THIS, AT LEAST WE'RE PUTTING THE SKIN IN THE GAME AND SAYING, OUR CITY AND THE CITY'S GOVERNMENT IS, IS WANTS TO DO THIS. 
          WE WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THIS AND, AND HERE WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU DO THIS. 
          SO THAT'S PUTTING SOME MEAT BEHIND OUR WORDS, WHICH I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT. 
          UH, AND WE NEED TO DO IT MORE OFTEN ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST IDEAS TO THROW OUT AT YOU. 
          I, IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN REALLY QUICK. 
          I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT TO THE REBATE SITUATION. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A, A NEW STATEWIDE REBATE THAT JUST WENT INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE BREAKING NEWS FOR ME AT LEAST. 
          IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE. 
          UM, THE $3,500 FROM THE STATE, IT'S FOR NEW EV UM, BUYERS, FIRST TIME BUYERS. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO DO AN ATTEST ATTESTATION THAT YOU'VE NOT OWNED AN EV BEFORE TO QUALIFY FOR IT. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S SELF ATTEST ATTESTED. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE IF, IF YOU LIED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S FOR THE STATE TO FIGURE OUT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S $3,500 THAT'S ON THE TABLE. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT WOULD BE DEBITED FROM THE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE UPFRONT. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE $7,500 HOW IT USED TO BE WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME OUT, WHERE IT, YOU WOULD GET REIMBURSED IN YOUR, UM, WHEN YOU FILED YOUR TAXES ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. 
          AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH LIABILITY, YOU MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN THE FULL REBATE. 
          SO THAT WHOLE ISSUE HAS BEEN SOLVED. 
          AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT THOUGH IS, UM, THE STATE IS ONLY PUTTING UP HALF OF THAT MONEY AND THE OTHER HALF IS SUPPOSED TO COME FROM THE MANUFACTURERS OF THOSE VEHICLES. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT SKIN IN THE GAME, IF THOSE MANUFACTURERS WANT TO INCREASE THEIR EV SALES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT REBATE AS WELL. 
          UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE AMOUNT OF IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S LIKE $125 MILLION, WHICH IF YOU GO BY THE, I WASN'T CLEAR. 
          I THINK THE USED VEHICLES ARE ALSO PART OF IT, AND I THINK THAT'S ONLY HALF OF IT. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE MIX OF NEW AND AND USED VEHICLES, IT'S, UM, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND IT'S KIND OF AVAILABLE UNTIL, UNTIL THERE. 
          SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONTEXT THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING THING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TALK WITH OUR FINANCE, UH, DEPARTMENT, UM, DIVISION ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A PRETTY SEVERE BUDGET SITUATION GOING FORWARD. 
          AND EVERYTHING THAT WE LOSE THERE IS, IS MONEY THAT WE CAN'T USE FOR OTHER, UM, SERVICES. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT FROM THE LENS OF IF THIS WAS ENOUGH TO GET SOMEBODY OVER THAT EDGE TO BUY A VEHICLE THAT THEY WEREN'T, IF THIS, IF THIS ISN'T JUST A FREE RIDER SITUATION AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZING SOMEBODY TO MAKE A SALE THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE, THEN THAT'S NEW REVENUE THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOT ANYWHERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT BEN WAS THE POINT BEN WAS MAKING EARLIER. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING TOO, IS IF WE COULD TAKE THAT SAME APPROACH, IF, YOU KNOW, WE COULD EXAMINE DIFFERENT THINGS OF NEW EV UM, FIRST TIME EV PURCHASES ONLY, OR MAYBE ASKING, TRY AND DEVELOP THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEALERS TO SEE IF THEY COULD ALSO SUPPLEMENT THAT AND HAVE LIKE A, A, YOU KNOW, A, A SHARED COST IN, IN THAT. 
          UM, LOTS OF INTERESTING POTENTIAL FOR THAT. 
          BUT I JUST, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT OF THE STATEWIDE BECAUSE WE SAW LIKE A PRETTY BIG DROP FROM THAT $7,500. 
          UM, FEDERAL TAX INCENTIVE WENT AWAY, I THINK INCENTIVIZED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO MAKE PURCHASES RIGHT THERE BEFORE IT WENT AWAY. 
          IF THEY WERE ON THE EDGE, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I BETTER DO IT NOW OR, OR I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO. 
          I WAS ONE OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN IT DROPPED OFF PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          SO IT, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS $3,500 INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO IT. 
          AND IT'S FOR NEW EV UM, FIRST TIME BUYERS. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO KIND OF MAYBE INTERESTING TO GET PEOPLE DIPPING THEIR TOE INTO THAT WORLD IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY THERE. 
          SO SORRY FOR THE RAMBLE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CONTEXT. 
          WHO IS THAT ONE THROUGH $3,500? WHO'S THAT ONE THROUGH? THAT'S THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE STATE. 
          AND THEN HALF OF IT IS THE STATE AND HALF OF IT IS THE MANUFACTURER. 
          YEAH. 
          THE STATE'S ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM, BUT HALF OF THE MONEY COMES FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
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THE OTHER HALF COMES FROM THE MANUFACTURERS. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT SAME, BUT IF YOU LOOK UP $3,500 EV REBATE, CALIFORNIA, YOU'LL FIND IT. 
          UM, THE LAST, I GUESS QUESTION, PATRICK AND DEB ON THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER RI GOT INTO OF THE LIKE UPFRONT VERSUS THE TAX AND REBATE. 
          SO THAT IS A QUESTION I GUESS TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          I DON'T, I IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE THE TOILET REBATE IS MORE OF A CASH REBATE KIND OF MECHANISM. 
          SO I DO THINK THERE'S LIKE THE MECHANICS IN THE CITY TO DO THAT, BUT THAT DOES SEEM LIKE VERY ADMINISTRATIVELY BURDENSOME. 
          UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE UPFRONT INCENTIVE THROUGH WHOEVER THE CURRENT DEALERS DO, IT WOULD BE A PREFERENCE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK IN WHEN YOU CONFER ON THE REBATE ASPECT, THE SORT OF SECOND THING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SURE MENTIONED WAS LIKE A E-BIKE REBATE, WHICH I AGREE WOULD LIKE BE HUGE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I WOULD SAY IF I WERE TO STRUCTURE IT, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE A TAX THEN REBATE BACK SITUATION WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COLLECTED. 
          AND THEN I WOULD HAVE THE, UH, CONSUMER HAVE THE OPTION TO DONATE THAT REBATE. 
          LIKE TO FUND AN E-BIKE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, SON CLEAN POWER HAS AN E-BIKE PROGRAM. 
          WE COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, PARTNER WITH THEM. 
          THEY WOULD PROBABLY CHIP IN HALF TO, AND SUDDENLY WE'RE FUNDING OUR OWN POOL OF AN E E-BIKE PROGRAM, UH, THROUGH THE REBATE MECHANISM SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO THAT'S A MUCH MORE ROBUST KIND OF PROGRAM AND ARCHITECTURE. 
          BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT SOME DISCUSSION AROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, PLEASE, OTHER FEEDBACK? I GUESS ON THE FIRST ONE, UH, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF, OF TRYING TO OPEN UP THE, THE POSSIBILITIES FOR NEW EVS USED EVS E-BIKES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE CAN DIVERSIFY HOW TO USE THE FUNDS, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          SO I I, THAT'S MY INPUT THERE. 
          I THINK LIMITING IT TO ONLY NEW EVS, YOU KNOW, IS SOMEWHAT LIMITING IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND HAS ANY, UM, CONVERSATION ALREADY BEEN HAD WITH THE CITY, LIKE WHOEVER AT THE CITY WOULD BE MAKING A DECISION LIKE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, TO THE STAFF QUESTION. 
          UH, UH, I THINK COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT THE CONCEPT, BUT UM, THE STAFF WOULD COME BACK AND SAYS, OKAY, WHAT TYPE OF BURDEN IS THIS ON STAFF RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE UH, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, INCREASING EXPECTATIONS WITH LOWER AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AT THE MOMENT THIS YEAR. 
          SO, UH, WHO'S GONNA DO IT AND HOW MUCH EFFORT IS THIS GONNA TAKE? IT NEEDS TO BE A ROBUST PROGRAM BUT RUN SO EFFICIENTLY THERE'S MINIMUM STAFF EFFORT TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          SO, WHICH IS, THE QUESTION IS MAKE THE MECHANICS, THE MECHANICS IS 'CAUSE AT THIS POINT, UM, IT THAT STAFF TIME TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS PROGRAM WORK WOULD COST MORE THAN THE PROGRAM. 
          RIGHT? SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FOR, FOR VARIOUS OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, STAFF COSTS TIME. 
          IF, IF IT'S COSTED OUT AS A POWER, WHAT IT TAKES, UM, THEN, UM, IT HAS TO BE IN BALANCE WITH, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          UH, AND IT MAY, IT MAY NOT BE CASE. 
          SO WE ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK TO BE DONE BY THE DEALER AND BY THE, UH, THE, THE NEW OWNER OF THE CAR, THEY WOULD DO ALL THE PAPERWORK. 
          WE WOULD JUST RECEIVE THE PAPERWORK AND DO A CHECK MARK. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, WE SAY, OKAY, A FORGIVENESS PROGRAM, OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT, THAT X PERCENTAGE, THAT SALES TAX IS REDUCED OUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT. 
          THEN WE SET IT UP RIGHT UP FRONT THAT, HEY, IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF AT THE DEALER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A THING IF IT CAN BE DONE THAT WAY. 
          SO MINIMUM, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT I WOULD STICK ON THIS STAFF HAS TO PUT IN, IT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM, UH, TIMEFRAME, UH, FOR STAFF TO MAKE THIS WORK. 
          YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AS A COMMISSION, I MEAN, I THINK PROBABLY IDEOLOGICALLY WE'RE ALL ALIGNED WITH THIS, UM, LIKE A TAX HOLIDAY TO HELP INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO BE GETTING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, EITHER MICRO ELECTRIC OR NON MICRO , MACRO ELECTRIC. 
          UH, AND YEAH, WE WANNA, LIKE I, I HAVE, I HAVE SORT OF TWO THOUGHTS. 
          ONE IS THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND WHATEVER WE THINK IS WE SHOULD BE DOING, WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY DO IT. 
          LIKE WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DECIDE DOES WHAT IT DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, AND THEN GIVE IT TO STAFF AND SEE CAN YOU MAKE THIS WORK? AND IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK, THEN LET'S PRESENT IT UP TO THE COUNCIL AND FOR, FOR APPROPRIATIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE STAFF TO BUY IN AND SAY IT'S DOABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL CONCEPT. 
          WE LOVE THIS IDEA OF, OF SUPPORTING AND FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING IN VARIOUS WAYS, THESE THINGS. 
          UH, AND HERE'S ARE VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING IT. 
          STAFF CAN, 
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CAN IT BE MANAGED? CAN WE DO THIS? UM, IF IF, IF THERE'S INTENT AND AND WILLINGNESS, THEN, THEN YEAH, THEN IT COMES, COMES TO COUNCIL. 
          BUT STAFF HAS TO SAY YES, IT'S DOABLE ON A PRACTICAL BASIS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO BEFORE, OTHERWISE IT GOES, IF, IF YOU WANNA SEND IT STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL AND LET THE COUNCIL DO IT, THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION. 
          SAY, HEY, HEY, WE'LL JUST SEND IT UP TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY, YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT. 
          YOU ASK THE STAFF TO DO IT IF YOU WANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION, RIGHT? SO ASKING STAFF TO DEVELOP IT SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WE CAN DO IT. 
          HERE'S HOW WE CAN DO IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN, THEN COMES BACK TO US AND THEN GOES UP TO COUNCIL. 
          OR IF YOU WANNA SEND TO COUNCIL, THEN COUNCIL WILL ASK STAFF TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT AT THAT POINT TO DEVELOP IT. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS UP TO, UP TO YOU GUYS, YOU TWO, UH, HOW, WHAT IS THE BEST PROCEDURE YOU SEE FORWARD IT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE CREATING THIS PROGRAM. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE MORE EFFORT TO CREATE THE PROGRAM THAN WE WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE OUT AN INCENTIVES FOR IT. 
          UM, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT THAT SHOULD LIMIT IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, PROBABLY THE EASIEST THING WOULD BE TO HAVE A, UM, AN AGREEMENT WITH EACH, WITH EACH OF THE DEALER THAT WANTS TO PARTICIPATE AND THEY SEND US ONE INVOICE FOR ALL OF IT. 
          LIKE THE, THE CUSTOMER PAYS AS NORMAL, THE DEALER REBATES THAT STRAIGHT FROM THE PRICE, THE CUSTOMER PAYS THAT TAX. 
          UM, AND THEN THE RE THE DEALER KIND OF FLOATS THAT MONEY UNTIL THEY GET IT BACK FROM THE CITY. 
          SO LIKE ONE INVOICE OR YOU KNOW, ONE INVERSE PER DEALER AND THEY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWS THE PROOF OF PURCHASE, WHATEVER ATTESTATION THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ON THAT, WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WANT TO SHOW THAT THIS ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZED THE PURCHASE THAT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T GONNA HAPPEN OR WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS WE WANNA PUT ON. 
          THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST WAY ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, FOR US TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE HANDS-ON WAY WOULD BE TO GIVE THAT REBATE DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY TO EACH INDIVIDUAL. 
          UM, THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET PEOPLE INTO OUR SYSTEM TO PAY THEM CHECKS. 
          UM, IT'S EASIER TO CUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE TO SEVEN CHECKS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, 50. 
          IT, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MORE. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH. 
          SO I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST METHOD GOING FORWARD? I DEFINITELY HEARD THE INTEREST IN THIS. 
          UM, I, I JUST KNOW OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE LIKE, WHY ARE WE GIVING UP ANY REVENUE THAT WE COULD ? UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON US TO KIND OF SHOW BOTH SIDES TO IT. 
          I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE INTO EVS OUT OF A GAS VEHICLE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IT'D BE BEST IF THAT EV WAS A, AN E-BIKE OR, OR SOME OTHER SORT OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. 
          BUT FAILING THAT, IF THEY STILL DO NEED A VEHICLE, A CAR, UM, HAVING THAT NOT PRODUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THROUGH ITS USE. 
          SO HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WILL RUN THAT UP THE CHAIN IF THAT'S WHAT THE, THE AD HOC OR THE WHOLE COMMISSION WANTS TO, UM, WANTS US TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE, THE MULTIFAMILY KIND OF EV CHARGING PILOT PROGRAM. 
          I DON'T KNOW DAN OR JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF CONTEXT OR BACKGROUND NEED HERE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW BEFORE YOU GUYS LAUNCH INTO LIKE SOME OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE AD HOC LEVEL, I WILL SAY THAT AT THE CITY THERE'S DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THERE'S A HOUSING DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THE , AT LEAST PART OF OUR STRATEGY IS TO LIKE SPREAD THE ASKS OF WHAT WE CAN DO AMONG THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS VERSUS ASK DEB AND PATRICK TO DO EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HOUSING STAFF COULD POSSIBLY TAKE ON, UM, FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE AT LEAST. 
          SO I DON'T, UM, YEAH, THERE MIGHT BE, UH, TWO PARTS TO THIS. 
          UH, ONE IS PROVIDING THE, UM, UH, EITHER PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD TO SOMEHOW ENCOURAGE THAT THIS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THIS AND, AND WE WOULD, AND IF YOU CAN GET IT DONE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE ANY FINANCIAL THING, BUT ACTUALLY WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A PERMIT PROCESS. 
          WHEREAS, AND AN ENCOURAGEMENT PROCESS, AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM OF SOME SORT SAYING, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE TENS UH, SET OUT THERE FOR, UM, MULTIFAMILY HOMES. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND IF YOU CAN DO A TWO 20, GREAT, WE WILL, UH, HELP SUPPORT THAT WITH WHATEVER PERMITTING IT IS. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH PG E TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, UH, WE'LL DO SOME COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIPS TYPE THINGS TO MAKE IT GO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THERE'S A HIGH NEED. 
          'CAUSE THESE FOLKS CAN'T BUY AN EV THEY, UH, OR EVEN AN EV BIKE, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A, A ABILITY, A, A REAL GOOD ABILITY TO CHARGE EASILY, OTHERWISE THEY'RE 
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CARRYING IT UPSTAIRS AND THEN, UM, CHARGING IT UPSTAIRS AND BRINGING IT BACK DOWN AGAIN IF THEY HAVE A SMALL ENOUGH BATTERY TYPE THING. 
          SO, UH, TO DO THIS ENCOURAGEMENT, IF THERE'S AT LEAST ONE 10 CHARGE STATIONS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND, AND TWO TWENTIES IF POSSIBLE FOR MULTIFAMILY HOMES, UM, TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S A TIE IN, I JUST, I JUST SAW TODAY IN THE MICRO MOBILITY NEWSLETTER JUST CAME OUT, UM, THAT LINA, WHICH IS A, UH, SWISS ITALIAN, UH, UM, VEHICLE MICRO VEHICLE THAT'S POPULAR OVER IN THAT AREA OF, OF THE WORLD IN EUROPE, UM, IS, IS ORGANIZING WITH ANOTHER, UH, RIDE SHARE PROGRAM WE'LL CALL MOBILITY. 
          AND TOGETHER THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A, UM, A PILOT IN SWITZERLAND AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE THREE VEHICLES. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE OUT TWO VEHICLES, UM, THAT MIGHT BE RIDE SHARES THE FULL VEHICLES AND PUT IN THREE MICROCAR AND, AND SEE TEST MARKET IT OUT THERE IN, IN SWITZERLAND RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT WAS THE NEWS TODAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MULTI, HOW CAN WE SUPPORT THEM BUYING, UM, THE, THE EV BIKES AND ALSO, UH, SMALLER EV CARS THAT COULD OPERATE OFF OF ONE TENS. 
          SO MICROCAR SMALLER CARS CAN OPERATE OFF ONE 10, THEY DON'T NEED A TWO 20, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO IMPLEMENT AT, AT MULTIFAMILIES UNITS. 
          'CAUSE THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF RUNNING A, RUNNING A LINE OUT TO THE CURB AND PUTTING SOME STANDS IN IT THAT WE CAN PLUG IN VERSUS THE TWO 20 MANY, UH, MANY OF THE, OF THOSE PLACES CAN'T EVEN GET, UH, ENOUGH POWER TO, TO DO THAT. 
          SO ANYWAY, THOSE, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS HERE TO THINK ABOUT, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IF, IF, DAN, YOU WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, TO THE STORY OF, OF WHERE YOU THINK YOUR, UH, YOUR CONCEPTS. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA IS, IS TO CAPTURE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO NOW CAN PRACTICALLY NOT DRIVE AN EV BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A GARAGE AND THEIR OWN DEDICATED ELECTRIC METER. 
          SO I THINK BEN LAID IT OUT REALLY WELL IN HIS DOCUMENT ON HOW WE PROCEED. 
          SO IF WE CAN IDENTIFY THE PROPERTIES, DO THE SITE SURVEYS AND PRESENT TO THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES, A REALLY GOOD BUSINESS CASE ON WHY THEY SHOULD INSTALL, YOU KNOW, ONE 20, UH, POWER TO SAY CARPORTS OR GARAGE SPACES THAT COULD BE MONITORED THROUGH THIRD PARTY AND HAVE THE TENANT PAY FOR THE ACTUAL ELECTRICITY THEY'RE USING, UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG GOOD BUSINESS DECISION FOR THEM BECAUSE THEN IT WILL EXPAND THEIR, UH, POTENTIAL TENANT BASE TO INCLUDE THOSE WHO ALREADY OWN OR WANT TO OWN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. 
          SO IT'S REALLY A, A WIN-WIN FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, FOR THE CITY, FOR THE CLIMATE. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD COMMISSION MEMBER EL CAMP HAS BEEN A REAL CHAMPION OF LEVEL ONE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS. 
          I WILL SAY I WAS A SKEPTIC IN THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS LEVEL TWO AND FOR THOSE YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, ELECTRIC DRYER LEVEL, RIGHT? AND UM, YOU KNOW, BUT HAVING SORT OF SEEN SOME OF THE USE CASES AND, UM, IN PARTICULAR PENINSULA, PENINSULA CLEAN ENERGY DOWN, UM, IN SILICON VALLEY IS REALLY SORT OF CHAMPIONED THIS METER BASED, UM, LEVEL ONE PLUG KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LEVEL ONE CHARGING IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE WAY TO CALL IT, IT'S SMART PLUG IS ANOTHER WAY TO CALL IT TWO, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, BUT THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, UH, I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO USE LEVEL ONE CHARGING FOR OVER A YEAR AND IT HAS WORKED FOR, YOU KNOW, 90% OF OUR NEEDS. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THE LEVEL ONE PLUS THE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN OUR FAST CHARGING DEPOTS REALLY MAKES LIKE HOME LEVEL TWO STILL A GOOD IDEA, BUT NOT NECESSARY. 
          AND SO, UM, TO SORT OF WRAP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AGAIN, IT'S MODEST IN ITS APPROACH OF REALLY LIKE A GOOD OUTCOME IS TO IDENTIFY ONE OF OUR LOW INCOME HOUSING PARTNERS WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IF WE ACHIEVE THAT, THAT'S A HUGE SUCCESS, RIGHT? I, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN ANY OF THOSE LISTED ARE KNOCKING DOWN THE CITY'S DOORS TO SAY, HEY, HOW DO I DO THIS? YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING IS THERE, RIGHT? SONOMA CLEAN POWER ALREADY HAS WORKFORCE CHARGING, THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL ONE THING, BUT THEY CAN TALK TO PENINSULA AND FIGURE THAT OUT, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S REALLY HOW DO WE CULTIVATE THAT ENGAGEMENT AND THEN HOW DO WE LIKE PROMULGATE THE IDEA? BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS VERY LOW COST IN THEORY TO JUST, YOU KNOW, EVEN EXPAND THE LEVEL ONE INFRASTRUCTURE AT AN EXISTING CARPORT. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, 
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WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A, A LOT OF MONEY HERE TO DO THIS. 
          AND, AND IT COULD BE EVEN A PROFIT CENTER FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THIRD PARTY MODELS KIND OF, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THE THE WAY IT WORKS IS YOU INSTALL THE SAVE IN CARPORTS AND THERE'S A QR CODE. 
          SO YOU PULL UP YOUR CAR IN YOUR PARKING SPACE, YOU SCAN THE QR CODE, IT LOGS INTO THE THIRD PARTY SYSTEM AND ON AND TURNS ON THE POWER FOR YOU AND THEN BILLS YOU FOR THE POWER YOU USE. 
          SO THEY GENERALLY CHARGE YOU THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF THE POWER PLUS ANOTHER COUPLE OF CENTS FOR KILOWATT HOUR, AND THAT GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UH, AND, AND THEN THE THIRD PARTY, THEY COLLECT ALL THE MONEY FROM THE, THE DRIVER AND THEN DISPERSE THE, THE PROFIT TO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SO IF WE COULD JUST IDENTIFY AND IMPLEMENT ONE PROPERTY HERE IN TOWN, WE COULD DEFINITELY USE THAT AS A MODEL FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND BUILD SOME EXCITEMENT AROUND THAT. 
          UM, I DO WANNA ADD THAT, UH, 'CAUSE I JUST DID THESE CALCULATIONS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON THAT, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE AN AVERAGE DRIVER, AN AVERAGE CAR, 25 MILE A GALLON GAS CAR AND A, LIKE A MODEL Y, UM, OR YOU KNOW, I MEAN EVEN LIKE A LEAF NISSAN LEAF, WHICH ARE LIKE PRETTY CHEAP WHEN YOU BUY 'EM USED ESPECIALLY, UM, IS LIKE $1,500 A YEAR. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU WOULD PAY PG E VERSUS WHAT YOU WOULD PAY THE GAS PUMP. 
          SO, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING PEOPLE WOULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO SAY THEY DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE SAVING $1,500 A YEAR, WHICH IS HUGE. 
          AND THAT'S THE OTHER POINT FOR ALL OF US. 
          EV DRIVERS ALREADY KNOW THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO CHARGE YOUR CARS AT HOME, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OUT AND USE PUBLIC CHARGING, IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CHARGING AT HOME. 
          SO WE WANNA PROVIDE THAT TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING COMPLEXES, APARTMENTS, CONDOS, WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER PART IS INSTEAD OF, UH, IF IT'S IN THE INSTALLS TO THE INDIVIDUAL, ANOTHER APPROACH, IF IT'S CURBSIDE, IF THEY HAVE, UH, AT THE CURB, IF THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE, AND THAT IS BEING DONE IN EUROPE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE JUST ONE 10 PLUGS AT CURBSIDE FOR ANYBODY FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC, AND THAT JUST, AND JUST LIKE A, A PARKING METER AND JUST GO IN, YOU PLUG IN AND IT'S LIKE A PARKING METER AND CHARGES YOUR CHARGE CARD. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW IN, IN EUROPE, UH, TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND IF YOU ADD IN A RIDE SHARE COMPONENT, UM, WHAT PART OF THE NEWS STORY I THOUGHT WAS MOST INTERESTING WAS, UM, THEY SAID THAT A SINGLE ONE RIDE SHARE VEHICLE AT, AT ITS LIKE A MULTIFAMILY PLACE DOING THAT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE, THE SAME SERVICE IS GOING TO, UH, BE THE SAME AS HAVING 18 CARS SITTING THERE PART IN YOUR PARKING LOT, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO 18 WAS QUOTED ON THIS ARTICLE. 
          SO, UH, HAVING JUST A FEW RIDE SHARE CAPABILITIES IN THERE, LIKE I KNOW AT THE COMMONS, UH, UH, WASHINGTON COMMONS, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PROPOSAL IS TO PUT IN RIDE SHARE, UH, WITH METERS IN IN THE FRONT OF THAT WHEN IT GETS DEVELOPED. 
          THAT THAT'S, THAT WAS IN THE LAST PROJECT I ASKED FOR THEM TO, TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEY DID IT. 
          UH, I SAID, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO JOIN YOU AS TENANTS IF YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LIMITED NUMBER OF, TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING THAT WAY THEY ALL SHARE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES. 
          SO, UM, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY, IF IF THAT PROJECT GOES, THERE'S A PROJECT READY TO GO WITH THAT SYSTEM ALREADY. 
          UM, THEN THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S A FEW OTHERS HERE AROUND TOWN. 
          THERE'S ONE DOWN MY STREET HUD HOUSING THAT, THAT, UM, UH, THAT'S MORE CURBSIDE STYLE, BUT COULD BE EASILY COULD BE DONE. 
          AND THERE'S OTHERS HERE IN TOWN THAT, UH, IF WE JUST FIND THE RIGHT PROPERTY, UH, WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK AND JUST HAVE, AND, AND DO AN ENCOURAGEMENT AND SAY, HEY, MAKE A PROPOSAL. 
          IF WE NEED TO TOSS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY JUST TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE IT, MAYBE DO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS WHERE, UH, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, HEY CITI, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO SUPPORT OUR CITIZENS DOING THESE THINGS AND MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION AT THIS POINT AND IMPLEMENT SOMETHING. 
          I HAVE A, A QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS ABOUT THE MICROCAR, DO YOU KNOW, ARE THOSE AVAILABLE IN THE US RIGHT NOW? UM, THEY'RE NOT BEING SO, UM, THEY'RE BEING CUT OUT. 
          THEY'RE BEING, UH, UM, THE CHINA WAS ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A, A SALES OF ONE DOWN IN LA UM, AND THEN OF COURSE OF TARIFFS PHYSICALLY KILLED THAT, THAT WHOLE DEALERSHIP AND PROJECT. 
          BUT WE HAD A DEALERSHIP THAT WAS SELLING ONE FROM THAT'S BEING MADE IN CHINA. 
          UM, AND CHINA IS NOW MOVING TO MEXICO TO BUILD, HAVING BUILT THERE TO, TO KIND OF GET BY SOME OF THAT TARIFF, UH, PROBLEMS. UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THE SAFETY FEATURES. 
          UH, THE MICRO ARENA PROBABLY THAT'S BEING USED IN EUROPE MAY NOT MEET OUR SAFETY STANDARDS FOR COLLISIONS. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S, UH, THERE'S SOME 
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JAPANESE CARS THAT I KNOW, EVEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WENT OVER THE KEY CARS THAT ARE SMALL ENOUGH AND THERE'S SOME POPULAR MODELS OVER THERE THAT ARE ALREADY BEING PRODUCED THAT, UM, I THINK WE EVEN HAVE, UM, UM, WORKING WITH OUR MANUFACTURER HERE THAT COULD BE PRODUCED HERE, OR WE COULD IMPORT JAPANESE KEY CARDS. 
          AND THERE'S A COUPLE SMALL, VERY SMALL POPULAR ONES THAT COULD EASILY BE FIT IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, MARKET. 
          AND, AND WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, AND, AND THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOMETHING TO, TO ENCOURAGE THAT, EVERYTHING. 
          BUT IF WE, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO START PUSHING AND NOW SAY, HEY, STATE, CAN, CAN YOU DO THIS? AND, AND CAN WE DO MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF IT IS ALREADY SAFETY MEETS THE SAFETY STANDARDS, WE CAN IMPORT 'EM HERE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW THE DEALERSHIPS AREN'T INTERESTED BECAUSE THERE'S NO MARKET FOR IT. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACING. 
          IF THERE'S NO MARKET HERE, THEN NO, THEN IT NEVER GETS STARTED. 
          SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HELP CREATE THE MARKET. 
          I IT DOES SEEM LIKE THOSE COULD BE VERY INTERESTING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE. 
          SO YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM WITH THAT, RIGHT? AND, AND BEING THAT TRUMP WENT TO JAPAN AND SAID, HEY, KEY CARS ARE GREAT. 
          I'M SAYING NOW NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE IN FAVOR OF THE, THE LEVEL ONE. 
          I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITY THERE. 
          AND AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DRIVE A WHOLE LOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE CERTAINLY CHARGED ON LEVEL ONE AND GOT THE JOB DONE. 
          UM, I'D ALSO SAY NOT TO DILUTE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, PURPOSE OF THIS BEING A, A TRANSIT MOTIVATION, I ALSO SEE LIKE 11 ONE A LEVEL ONE CHARGER COULD BE USED FOR A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC, UH, LAWN EQUIPMENT OR OTHER CLEANING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN PARKING LOTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S NEVER A BAD THING TO HAVE ANOTHER THING TO PLUG IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, UM, USE CASE FOR IT. 
          BUT YEAH, I THINK IT, IT COULD STILL BE A SOLUTION FOR A, A NUMBER OF TRANSPORTATION AND POTENTIALLY OTHER USES IF, IF SOMEBODY'S SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE, THE EV NESS OF IT ALL, I GUESS. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, WE REALLY SHOULDN'T CALL IT A LEVEL ONE EV CHARGING PROGRAM. 
          , YEAH. 
          SMART PLUG PROGRAM OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, MULTIFAMILY, ELECTRIFICATION, WHATEVER. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, PATRICK, ON THE CURBSIDE CHARGING. 
          I KNOW THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE PILOTS THAT ARE SORT OF DOING THAT, BUT THERE'S THIS LIKE CITY RIGHT OF WAY KIND OF ISSUE SOMETIMES. 
          DO YOU KNOW, HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THAT? IS THERE A SORT OF BARRIERS THERE? I, I HEAR DEB TURNING ON HER MICROPHONE AND I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO HER IN A SECOND, BUT I KNOW THAT WE WERE A APPROACHED, UM, BY A COMPANY THAT THAT DOES THE CURBSIDE. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT WAS ALAMEDA THAT, THAT THEY PILOTED SOME, UM, IN, IN OUR CITY. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF LIKE PEOPLE ASKING FOR PERMITS TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST NOT INSPIRED OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S ELECTRIC PEOPLE CAME TO US AND SAID THE BUSINESS OWNERS, OWNERS, UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I'VE HEARD OF, YOU KNOW, STREETLIGHT, YOU KNOW, TAPPING INTO THE STREETLIGHT CIRCUITS TO DO THAT. 
          MOST OF THOSE ARE CHARGED THE PG E BASELINE, SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE RATE STRUCTURE ON THAT. 
          BUT THERE'S, THOSE ARE SOLVABLE PROBLEMS, I FEEL. 
          UM, I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD PEOPLE CLAMORING FOR THAT YET. 
          AND IT MAY JUST BE A MATTER OF EDUCATION. 
          SO I'LL STOP AND LET DEB TALK. 
          NOW. 
          I WOULD JUST CLARIFY THAT WE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THE MEETING WITH IT'S ELECTRIC AND THEY DID NOT HAVE INTEREST. 
          WE WERE NOT, UH, URBAN ENOUGH FOR THEM. 
          SO AT THIS POINT THEY'RE, THEY'RE A STARTUP ALMOST ALL OF THE CURBSIDE CHARGING IS IN THE STARTUP PHASE, AND SO THEY NEED BIG MARKET AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE HAVE TOO MUCH RESIDENTIAL IS KIND OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT INITIAL MEETING WITH THEM. 
          SO I, I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS LIKE THEM OPERATING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, SORT OF LIKE USING CITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO, THEY PUT IN UNITS AND IT'S A BRING YOUR OWN PLUG TYPE THING. 
          AH, SO THEY PUT IN THE UNIT AND THEN YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWNLOAD THEIR APP AND UH, AND THEY SEND YOU THE PLUG FOR FREE AND THEN YOU CAN JUST GO UP AND USE IT ANYTIME YOU WANT AND THEY BILL YOU FOR IT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S ONE IN OAKLAND AND ONE OR TWO IN ALAMEDA. 
          ALAMEDA HAS A LOT, THEY, THEY HAVE A WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE SET UP. 
          THEY MUST BE BUILDING THEM OUT MORE NOW. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT CHEAP THOUGH. 
          NO. 
          IT, IT'S STILL KIND OF PRICEY WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING. 
          IN FACT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE IN SAN FRANCISCO THAN IT IS IN ALAMEDA. 
          SO THEIR PRICE VARIES DEPENDING ON WHERE THE LOCATION IS. 
          THE COOL PART IS THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS GETS THE VALUE EQUATION FOR IT, IT THE, THERE'S NO SERVICE UPGRADE IN THEORY, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST PLUGGING INTO THE EXISTING SERVICE OF THE BUSINESS. 
          SO WITH THE BUSINESS IS WHO GETS THE BENEFIT GETS TO CHARGE. 
          AM I EXPLAINING THAT? WELL, , AND, BUT YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE'RE TALKING MORE LIKE PUBLIC CURBSIDE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE, BUT 
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THE QUESTION WAS LIKE PRIVATE, MULTIFAMILY, CURBSIDE, WHICH IS RELATED. 
          UM, BUT THAT THE OBSTACLE THERE IS REALLY JUST A CITY RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT PERHAPS, WHICH IS MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS AN OBSTACLE AS LIKE SOLVING THE USE CASE PART OF IT. 
          YOU MIGHT BE TALKING LIKE WHAT THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO IS DOING, AND I THINK THEY'RE PUTTING OUTLETS ON LIKE STREET LAMPS IN THE CITY AND I THINK IT'S ALSO A BRING YOUR OWN PLUG TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY DEDICATE THAT SPOT NEXT TO THE STREET LAMP AS EV PARKING, SO PEOPLE, SO IT'S NOT PLUGGED BY, UH, PLUGGED UP BY GAS CARS AND HOGGING THE SPOT. 
          SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MODELS OUT THERE. 
          I THINK WE WERE JUST CLUEING INTO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHIPP SAID IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED ARE THE HUD PEOPLE THAT LIKE DON'T HAVE A PARKING GARAGE? AND IF SO, LIKE WHAT CAN THE CITY CAN THEN CURBSIDE IS THE ONLY CHOICE. 
          AND SO HOW WOULD WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? AND I GUESS WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, ASSUMING THAT IS THE CASE, BUT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT MAYBE ISN'T AS MUCH OF A BARRIER, UM, AS ONE WOULD THINK. 
          YEAH, JUST AS A NOTE AS THE DIFFERENCE IN CHARGING COSTS. 
          UH, SO FOR AWARENESS, UM, AT MY HOUSE, 'CAUSE I HAVE SOLAR PROGRAM, UM, UH, AND EV RATES THAT I'M TIED INTO. 
          SO FOR ME AT MY HOUSE, IT'S 20 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR ON AN AVERAGE BASIS TO, FOR, FOR A LOW VERSUS HIVE, UH, TIER 1, 2, 2 TIME OF DAY TYPE THING, I WENT TO THE TESLA STATION AND I WAS CHARGED OVER 70 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. 
          SO IT COST ME, UH, ALMOST $60 TO FILL UP MY CAR IN SACRAMENTO AT A TESLA STATION. 
          SO VERSUS AT HOME. 
          SO, UM, THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PUBLIC CHARGING STATIONS THAT NEED TO EARN MONEY OFF OF THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND EVEN AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I GOT TWO, TWO STATIONS INSTALLED, BUT THERE'S MORE MONEY THE SCHOOL HAS TO PAY THE CHARGE POINT SERVICE AS WELL AS THEY'RE GETTING MONEY FROM THE INDIVIDUALS AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE FOLKS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS TO PAY MORE PER YEAR THAN THAN ANY ENERGY THAT'S BEING USED AT THE, AT THE STATION. 
          SO, UH, THERE IS A HIGH COST TO THE, UH, IF IT'S A A THIRD PARTY, IT'S GOTTA BE, UM, A PRIVATE PARTY BASICALLY WITH A, WITH SOMEONE LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNER MANAGING IT, UH, AND EARNING A LITTLE BIT OF PROFIT OFF OF IT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU DO THE SYSTEM AND DO A, AND SAY, HEY, HEY, A CHARGE POINT COME IN AND INSTALL IT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE 70, DO 70 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR OR MORE, UM, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOU LOSE YOUR, YOUR, UM, INCENTIVE FOR THE FOLKS TO, TO PLUG IN. 
          SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN BROKEN THIS INTO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THERE'S THE MULTIFAMILY AND THEN THERE'S ALSO KIND OF PUBLIC CHARGING AT LEVEL ONE LEVEL. 
          AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I THINK WE CAN EXPLORE BOTH OF THOSE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S MODELS THAT HAVE WORKED IN OTHER CITIES AND, UM, AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN EXPLORE THOSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE MAPPED OUT IN OUR GIS SYSTEM WHERE ALL THE STREETLIGHTS, STREETLIGHTS ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY STREETLIGHTS THERE ARE  AND WE, WE, I THINK WE KNOW ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THEM AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH A CONVERSATION WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER AS WELL ON THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING ELECTRICITY AND IF YOU HAVE MORE EVS HOOKED UP TO MORE DIFFERENT PLACES, THEY'RE SELLING MORE ELECTRICITY. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING PROSPECT. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT, UM, WORKPLACE CHARGING AS WELL, AND THEY'VE SHOWN SOME FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO I, WHEN I'M HERE LOOKING AT THE, UM, TOP LINE THERE, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FREE LEVEL TWO EV CHARGERS FOR MULTIFAMILY USE, I THINK WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK ABOUT AT LEVEL ONE AT MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. 
          AND IS THAT STILL FOUR, OR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, OR IS IT 12 OR SOME OTHER NUMBER? UM, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY, UM, WILLING TO WORK WITH US, SO AT LEAST HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS LET'S, LET'S MAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES BETTER FOR MULTIFAMILY AND THEN ALSO IS THERE A, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE VERSION THAT'S PUBLIC AT PARKS, AT STREET LAMPS, AT WHATEVER IT IS, UM, THAT FOLKS COULD POTENTIALLY USE, UM, AS WELL FOR LEVEL ONE AND HAPPY TO HELP WITH THOSE. 
          THE CITY OWNED GARAGE. 
          WE DO HAVE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS AT THE, UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING INTO NUMBER THREE HERE, , IF WE COULD GO TO NUMBER THREE, WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I SUPPOSE, UM, SORRY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE, IS THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THE ASK, RIGHT? THAT WE WANTED THE CITY TO LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF YEAH, THAT RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN THE, THE CURBSIDE THING IS LIKE A, A NICE TO HAVE, 
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AT LEAST TO ME, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, LIKE GETTING THE HOUSING PEOPLE TO TALK TO THE HOUSING OWNERS IS MY MAIN ASK THERE. 
          AND FROM THAT WE CAN LIKE SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE THAT IS THE CORE ASK IS TO SPIN THAT UP, UH, ASKING THE CITY TO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, ASKING DEB AND PATRICK TO TALK WITH THE CITY HOUSING STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND JUST GOING FROM THERE, I, I THINK WE'D ADD, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION AS WELL. 
          THEY, YEAH, THEY'RE OUT THERE TALKING WITH PEOPLE, SO, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE THIRD ONE, UM, IS THIS, IS THIS THE LAST PAGE HERE? YEAH, THERE'S AN EXTRA BLANK PAGE THERE. 
          THERE, BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, EV CHARGING HUB DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES I KNOW HAS BEEN A CHAMPION OF THIS ONE, WHICH I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS HOW DO WE TAKE PUBLICLY OWNED LAND AND DO MORE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES AT PUBLICLY OWNED LAND. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, CONTRAST IT WITH LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHARGING HUBS THERE TOO, RIGHT? BUT THE, EVERYONE LOVES CHARGING HUBS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE LEVEL 1, 2, 3 OR FIVE. 
          THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, UM, LET'S REALLY FOCUS ON PUBLICLY OWNED LAND AND WHERE WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE TO LOCATE MORE, UM, CHARGING HUBS. 
          AND THEN KIND OF ONCE WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO WITH THOSE CHARGING HUBS? FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD JUST TALK ABOUT LIKE THE RIDE SHARE THING. 
          AGAIN, IN THE SAME WAY WE COULD HAVE A RIDE, SORT OF A PRIVATE MULTI-FAMILY RIDE SHARE USE CASE. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING LIKE ELECTRIC WAYMO USE CASE, RIGHT? SO PUBLIC LAND, PUBLIC, UM, FLEET MODEL, AND THEN THE CHARGING HUB TO SORT OF SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE SORT OF NUANCE OF THIS DIFFERENT VERSION IS THIS AS, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY ON CITY OWNED LAND, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PUBLIC LAND OWNERS. 
          THE SMART STATION, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN AND THE ALAMA SMART BEING TWO, LIKE GREAT CANDIDATES FOR MORE CHARGING HUBS AND THEN THEIR CITY LAND. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, THE COUNTY OWNS SOME LAND HERE TOO. 
          AND SO THERE IS A VARIETY OF LIKE PUBLIC LAND OWNERS, THE SCHOOLS. 
          SO EVEN JUST SORT OF HAVING THAT WHOLE BUCKET, BUT JUST WE HAVE PUBLIC ENTITIES THAT OWN LAND. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR CHARGING HUBS. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BASIC IDEA, AND I'LL MAYBE LET HIM SORT OF ELABORATE ON IT, BUT IT'S LIKE, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME SORT OF NOTION. 
          AND LIKE THE DIFFICULT THING WITH THE CHARGING HUBS IS GETTING THE ENERGY, BECAUSE THAT'S A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS WITH PG E. 
          AND SO THE EV CHARGING HUB DEVELOPERS ARE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THAT LAND AND STARTING THAT PROCESS AND LIKE FIGURING OUT THE PERMITS. 
          AND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE BUDGET LIGHT, BUDGET FRIENDLY HERE IS LIKE, WE HAVE THE LAND, WE HAVE THE PERMIT POWER, AND WE CAN POSSIBLY START THE PG E CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THAT REQUIRES STUDY FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THAT YOU CAN DO A LOT JUST BY RAISING YOUR HAND AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO INVITE EV CHART PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING ON EV CHARGING HUBS TO COME AND PARTNER WITH US. 
          YOU KNOW, AND ONCE THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE LAND, LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HALF A DOZEN OF THESE CHARGING HUB DEVELOPERS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE MODEL TO IT. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON SOME OF THOSE POINTS, UH, NO, UH, PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE. 
          THE, UM, I SAID THE, THE LOCATIONS THAT, UH, COME TO MIND QUICKLY, THE TWO SMART STATIONS FOR SURE, WE HAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, AND I'VE TRIED TO SUGGEST THAT EVEN AT COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE THE POLICE AND FIRE STATION IS GOING TO BE BUILT, I SAYS, PUT IN THE CAPACITY, WE JUST RUN A AND THEN, SO THAT, AND THERE'S A LINE SHOULD BE READY TO GO FROM THAT LOCATION, UH, TO, UH, TO THE FRONT PARKING LOT AREA. 
          SO I'D RUN IT THERE 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE AIRPORTER DROPS PEOPLE OFF RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY GET IN AND, AND DO SOMETHING AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, AND IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO TRANSIT AND ALSO FOR THE WASHINGTON COMMONS, THAT'S, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL GET BUILT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION. 
          AND THERE MIGHT BE A FEW, FEW OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE TRANSIT ORIENTED AND IN THE NEW COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WE WANNA DEVELOP AT THE NORTH STATION, THAT MONDAY NIGHT, WE JUST 
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TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT. 
          AND I HAD TO REMIND THEM THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, UM, OF TRANSIT AND WE NEED TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP A BETTER SYSTEM THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THAT WHOLE, UH, 80 ACRES OF FOUR TO 5,000 PEOPLE. 
          AND WE NEED TO HAVE SET UP A TRANSIT SYSTEM WITH ALL SORTS OF SHARE RIDING AND CHARGE STATIONS, AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, EVEN AUTONOMOUS BUSES. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, I JUST HEARD SOME DATA THAT AUTONOMOUS BUSES BY LIKE WAYMO IS USING HERE AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IN, IN EVERYTHING AND IN ENERGY, IN PEOPLE AND IN SAFETY THAN REGULAR BUSES. 
          UM, SO THERE'S, UH, POSSIBILITIES HERE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. 
          UM, SO WE WANT TO GET IT IN THE GROUND NOW THAT, HEY, AT THE NORTH STATION WE WANT TO, UH, IN THE NORTH STATION AT HUB AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHY DON'T WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CONCEPT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THIS IS PART OF WHAT THEY DO THERE ON THAT SITE TO, TO GET IT REALLY ROLLING. 
          UM, THEN IT BECOMES A REALITY IF WE PUT IT IN PLACE UP FRONT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE SOME POSSIBILITIES. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE MIGHT BE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          IS THERE SOMEWHERE IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, THERE'S SOME VACANT LOTS. 
          MAYBE WE CAN CONVERT A COUPLE OF THE PA VACANT LOTS TO DO THAT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I WAS, I WAS WONDERING IS COULD THE CITY DO THIS IN A WAY WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING REVENUE FROM THIS? LIKE, UH, AT THIS NEW PLACE IN THE FAIRGROUNDS, COULD REVENUE BE, BE GENERATED FROM THIS AND THEN BE USED TO PUT IN PLACE AN EXPAND ON LIKE BATTERIES FOR THIS? UM, YEAH, THERE'S, UH, VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING THIS. 
          UM, WITH AGREEMENTS, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE CHARGEPOINT WHERE IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME, YOU ACTUALLY EARN MONEY BACK. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME, YOU HAVE TO PUT MONEY IN. 
          SO THERE'S VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING THAT. 
          AND IN, UH, JAPAN, UH, THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEIR VEHICLES. 
          THEY HAVE A WHOLE SYSTEM OUT THERE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A STATION WITH 20 BIG BATTERIES, SIZE OF A SMALL SUITCASE, AND BASICALLY YOU TAKE YOUR BATTERY, PUT IT IN, TAKE THAT BATTERY OUT AND PUT IT IN YOUR CAR, , AND YOU KEEP GOING , AND IT'S CHARGED THAT ONE STATION. 
          YOU, IT'S JUST TO PULL UP, PLUG IN, I MEAN, SWITCH BATTERY AND, AND LEAVE. 
          AND THAT'S BECOMING VERY POPULAR IN JAPAN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S, THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR KIA CARS WITH THAT CONCEPT AND THEIR MOTORCYCLES, OR THEIR ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES ARE, ARE ALL BASED ON THAT NOW. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S COMING. 
          THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT WE COULD HAVE HERE. 
          AND WITH SOLID STATE BATTERIES COMING IN, THEY'RE GONNA GET MUCH LIGHTER, SO EASY TO MANAGE. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE, UH, LEXUS CAR IN THE SIZE OF A, OF LIKE 30 POUNDS EVENTUALLY. 
          SO, UM, THESE ARE THE COMING SYSTEMS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND PROMOTE FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND TALK ABOUT IT AND GET THESE IN PLACE SO THAT, GEE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WE'RE CHANGING THE FAIRGROUNDS, AS WE'RE CHANGING THE SMART STATIONS AS WE'RE CHANGING THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTH STATION. 
          LET'S GET IT IN PLAY NOW SO THAT IT'S PART OF THE, THE PROJECT. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ASK BASICALLY. 
          AND IF WE GET SOMETHING DONE SOONER, GREAT. 
          YEAH, I GUESS JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT LAST POINT THAT HE MADE, IS THE, THE ONE PORT SORT OF PORTION OF THIS TOPIC OR ASK OF THE COMMISSION THAT'S A BIT DIFFERENT ARE THE COUPLE OF EXISTING WORKING GROUPS GOING ON? LIKE THERE'S THE NORTH STATION WORKING GROUP, THERE IS THE FAIRGROUNDS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS STARTED YET OR IT WILL, BUT LIKE THOSE AS COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE CAN GO AND ENGAGE AND SORT OF MORE DIRECTLY SUPPORT THAN LIKE GOING THROUGH STAFF. 
          SO THAT IS A DIFFERENCE HERE IS LIKE, WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO GO AND PUT ON OUR HATS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, AT THE, WHENEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO IT AT THIS HERMAN SONS HALL OR WHATEVER, HERZOG HALL PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP, PUT ON YOUR HAT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND LIKE, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT ALL THE GREAT THINGS WE'RE DOING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          LIKE, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS LIKE IN MANY VISUALIZATIONS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS AND ALL THAT, LIKE THE PARKING LOT IS SOMEWHAT FORGOTTEN, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, AND WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE CAN GET GROOM TRANSPORTATION TO START RUNNING EV BUSES, RIGHT? LIKE, THAT'S VERY APPROACHABLE WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FIVE YEAR HORIZON. 
          UM, YEAH, I GUESS OTHER FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? IT'S A, IT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN TO SUMMARIZE IT'S SORT OF THE LAST IDEA, BUT FLIPPED ON ITS HEAD. 
          THE LAST IDEA WAS LIKE, FIND THE PARTNERS ONCE YOU HAVE THE PARTNER, LIKE FIND THE SPACE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF EV CHARGING STUFF YOU WANNA DO. 
          THIS ONE IS LIKE FIND THE LAND, FIND THE PARTNER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SORT OF GO FROM THERE, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S JUST REVERSE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY AND IT'S KIND OF REPLICATING THAT IN THOSE DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          UH, I JUST HAD A 
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QUESTION ABOUT, UH, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT LIKE THE PERMITTING AND GOING WITH PG EA LOT OF THIS STUFF TAKES A LONG TIME. 
          DO WE HAVE, UM, I I GUESS AN EASY WAY TO KNOW LIKE HOW MANY OF THESE PROJECTS MAYBE ARE ALREADY IN, IN THE PLANNING PROCESS BY SOME OF THESE PRIVATE ENTITIES, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIFY AMERICA, EV VGO, SOME OF THEM THAT WERE MENTIONED THERE, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW IT DOES TAKE A LONG TIME AND I PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF MAYBE SOME OF THEM THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE WAY AND, AND HOW MAYBE WE COULD FACILITATE THINGS AND HELP MOVE SOME THINGS ALONG FASTER? UM, YEAH, WE WORKED WITH, UH, HAD A MEETING WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          UM, AND IF THEY GET INVOLVED AND THEY WANT IT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, THEY CAN MAKE IT. 
          THEY, THEY'RE DOING IT WITH BUSINESSES. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BUSINESSES NOW AND, UH, SETTING UP THEIR WHOLE FLEETS WITH BIG, I MEAN BIG UTILITY VEHICLES ON FLEETS OF, OF CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES. 
          SO THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING TO THEM AND THEY CAN HA MAKE IT HAPPEN WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO. 
          UH, IF IT'S JUST PG E ON THE SIDE, UH, THAT MIGHT TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET SOMETHING GOING, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE LAND AND YOU HAVE A PARTNER AND THEN YOU APPROACH PG E SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THAT AHEAD, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN A LITTLE SOONER IF YOU HAVE IT ALREADY LINED UP VERSUS, UM, 'CAUSE IF A BUSINESS SAYS, I WANT TO GO AND SONOMA CLEAN POWER IS GOING TO BE, BE SETTING IT UP, THEN THERE'S ALREADY THAT, UH, SYNERGY. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SYNERGY UP FRONT TO, TO MAKE A, A FASTER GO IF YOU WAIT AND SAY, AND THEN TO DO ALL THE STUFF AND THEN THEN YOU APPLY TO PG E. 
          UM, IT, IT IS TWO YEARS AFTER THAT , UH, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST, UH, SO MUCH IN LINE RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS HAPPEN. 
          WE JUST GOT IT AT THE, UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, PARKING STRUCTURES. 
          WE, WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, STATIONS AT THE PARKING STRUCTURE NOW, SO, YEAH. 
          SO IT, IT'S DOABLE. 
          PATRICK, DO YOU WANNA SAY, HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE TO GET THAT ROLLING FROM START TO FINISH? YEAH, WELL, WITH THE KELLER STREET GARAGE, WE'VE HAD CHARGERS THERE FOR A WHILE AND WE JUST NEED TO REPLACE 'EM. 
          SOME OF 'EM I THINK HAD GONE BEYOND THEIR WARRANTY. 
          UM, SO THAT, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING. 
          WHENEVER YOU SET THE RATES, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SAVING FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE REPLACING THAT EQUIPMENT AS WELL TO MAKE, HAVE A SUSTAINABLE MODEL. 
          ONE THING TO, I THINK TO, UM, GET TO JAN'S QUESTION ABOUT LIKE, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE? A WEBSITE I REALLY LIKE IS PLUG SHARE AND I'VE GOT IT UP RIGHT HERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE VARIOUS THINGS ON THERE. 
          THE GREEN ONES ARE LIKE THE LEVEL TWO ONES AND THE, THE ORANGE ONES ARE THE FAST CHARGERS. 
          SO IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHERE LIKE THE CHARGING DESERTS ARE IN, IN THE CITY AS WELL AS LIKE WHAT'S UNDER REPAIR AND LIKE WHAT'S COMING SOON. 
          SO LIKE THERE'S ONE, UM, ON MCDOWELL BY, UH, CITY SPORTS CLUB THAT'S COMING SOON. 
          UM, SOME OTHERS THAT ARE UNDER REPAIR, YOU KNOW, DEB AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, LIKE LEGHORN PARK KIND OF FEELS LIKE THAT, THAT AREA THERE KIND OF FEELS LIKE A DESERT. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES RIGHT NEXT DOOR FROM LEGHORN PARKS, THE RESTAURANTS, SAFEWAY. 
          UM, HAVING TAKEN AN EV TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RECENTLY AND HAVING THE CHARGE ON PUBLIC CHARGERS, THAT WAS AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THE ONES THAT WERE BY GROCERY STORES BECAUSE I COULD JUST PLUG IN WHILE, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS LOW, I COULD PLUG IN WHILE I GOT MY GROCERIES. 
          AND I CAME OUT AND I WAS AT 70 TO 80% AND, AND IT WAS PERFECT. 
          UM, SO CO-LOCATING THOSE ARE PRETTY WELL, AND I, I'VE, I FELT FOR A WHILE THAT LEGHORN WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD SPOT FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S ONLY SOMETHING AT THE JC, UM, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING TO GO THERE ANYHOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER REASONS. 
          THE AIRPORT FEELS LIKE A GOOD ONE TOO. 
          UM, AS WE'RE GETTING MORE PEOPLE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, VISITING THROUGH THEIR AIRPLANES, THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN THEY GET HERE? LIKE, HOW DO, WHERE DO THEY GO? UM, THERE'S THE TWO NINER DINER, WHICH I THINK WOULD APPRECIATE MORE TRAFFIC, UM, GETTING MORE PEOPLE STOPPING THERE AND GRABBING A BITE TO EAT. 
          SO THERE'S, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WELL. 
          AND, AND I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A WELL RECEIVED THING, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PIPELINE OF THINGS, PLUG SHARE HAS BEEN MY FAVORITE WAY TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. 
          I GET, I GET, UM, I KNOW LIKE THE CHARGING STATIONS DO GET PERMITS AND THEN THEY PROBABLY ALSO, I GUESS I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, LIKE THE NEWEST ONE WAS THE ONE THEY DID OVER BY ESPRESSO . 
          I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF CITY APPROVAL THEY EVEN NEEDED TO GO THROUGH FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY REGISTER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL UNLESS I MISSED IT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD LIKE, BRING THAT BACK, THAT LEARNING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT FORCED THE CITY TO HAVE A STREAMLINE EV APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          AND SO LIKE, IT'S NOW PRETTY ROUTINIZED, I WOULD IMAGINE. 
          LIKE SOMEONE DOESN'T EVEN TRACK IT, IT'S JUST LIKE AUTOMATIC APPROVAL KIND OF THING. 
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BUT THERE PROBABLY IS SOME DATABASE OF LIKE, WHO HAS APPLIED FOR A PERMIT AND AT WHAT LEVEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, THE, THE NUMBER OF CHARGING HUBS ARE STILL PRETTY LOW IN TOWN, LESS THAN HALF A DOZEN I WOULD SAY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A SMALL ENOUGH SAMPLE. 
          SAY IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET LIKE A CASE STUDY OF THEM, YOU KNOW, AND AT LEAST THE MOST RECENT ONE, LIKE WHAT, HOW EASY WAS THAT? AND, UM, HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT EASIER EVEN? SO, UM, JUST TO ADD, ADD HERE, JUST A ANOTHER DIFFERENT CONCEPT TO THINK ABOUT MAYBE FOR, FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UM, CALISTOGA JUST HAD A REQUEST FOR PERMITTING FOR A, AT THEIR, UH, FAIRGROUNDS TO PUT IN A DATA CENTER. 
          BUT WHAT I FOUND MOST INTERESTING BESIDES THE DATA CENTER, THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A HELIPORT FOR HELICOPTERS, BUT NOT HELICOPTERS, AUTONOMOUS DRONES TO ACTUALLY TRANSPORT PEOPLE AROUND BY AUTONOMOUS DRONES. 
          LIKE, LIKE LET'S, UH, THEY'RE ALREADY WHAT, UH, IN LIKE NEW YORK AND, UM, ABU DHABI, UH, ARE THE TWO WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED NOW IN BEIJING. 
          THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S THREE IN OPERATION NOW. 
          SO, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO PUT THAT ONE IN IN CALISTOGA AT THE DATA CENTER. 
          SO JUST, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS CONCEPT HAS NOW ALREADY BEEN PROPOSED FOR HERE IN THE US UH, HERE IN CALIFORNIA AT A CLOSE SITE. 
          SO, AND OUR AIRPORT HAS SOME LAND THAT THAT COULD BE DONE WITH EASILY, VERY EASILY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CHARGING VE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT EV VEHICLES, THIS IS THE COMING FUTURE THING THAT WILL BE COMING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES. 
          AND JUST, UH, THAT AWARENESS. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS, UM, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ALEX DE CARLY, UM, SUGGESTED THAT WE, WE MAYBE TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC. 
          SO SINCE I'VE, I'VE MENTIONED DATA CENTERS THAT IF, IF MAYBE WE, WE NEED TO START THAT CONVERSATION HERE, UM, UH, AND, AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THINGS AND WE JUST TOSS THAT OUT. 
          TAKE NOTE OF THAT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR  FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I GUESS FOR THIS ONE, DEB AND PATRICK, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH SORT OF INPUT AND GUIDANCE HERE? OKAY. 
          I THINK WE DO AND, AND WE CAN COME BACK. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S A WAY TO FIND OUT THE PERMITS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, IT MAY TAKE A PHONE CALL TO FIND OUT HOW DIFFICULT  IT WAS AND MAYBE THAT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          DEPENDS ON HOW CANDID THEY WOULD BE, UM, IN THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I KNOW WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          UM, I JUST DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH. 
          I GET, UM, THIS WASN'T LIKE LISTED I GUESS IN THE WRITEUP, BUT LIKE THE PERMIT POWER, THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE MM-HMM . 
          THE STATE CHARGING FUNDING, IT'S BASICALLY FIRST COME FIRST SERVE WITH A PERMIT. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THESE HUBS AND WE CAN GIVE THEM PERMITS, THAT'S MORE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR US. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT SPECIFIC TIE IN OF THE PERMIT ACCESSES THE POT OF FUNDING IS, SHOULDN'T BE LOST. 
          WELL, AND, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD, I MEAN YOU HAVE, YOU AND AMY MAY HAVE THE MORE, MOST EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, UM, DOES PG E NEED LIKE A FULL PLAN SET BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY START TO TALK ABOUT ELECTRICAL WITH THEM? BECAUSE THAT'S, I I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPEDIMENTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE HAD AS A CITY IS LIKE, WE'VE HAD TO HAVE LIKE 30 OR 50% DESIGN DOCUMENTS BEFORE PG E WOULD WOULD COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE SERVICE UPGRADE'S GONNA BE. 
          SO I GUESS HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT TO EVEN GET TO THE PG E LEVEL TO BE, UH, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SAY THIS? YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE AVA, WE TALKED ABOUT AVA. 
          AVA IS DEVELOPING THEIR OWN CHARGING HUBS IN THEIR NETWORK. 
          THEY'RE, THEY DID THAT FOR THAT GARAGE THERE. 
          SEP IS HAS MORE OF A, LIKE, WORKPLACE CHARGING THING. 
          NOT THEY COULDN'T DO HUBS, BUT LIKE I TALKED TO THE AVA CHARGING HUB TEAM AND THEY LIKE HAVE STAFF THAT HAVE DEVELOPED THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE ARE CAPABILITIES THAT THE SCP COULD TAP INTO TO DO THAT, BUT THAT THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS ALREADY DO. 
          THERE IS A BIT OF LIKE PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE TRADE-OFF INVOLVED HERE. 
          BUT THE PRIVATE PEOPLE, IF YOU TOLD THEM, HEY, I HAVE THE LAND AND THE PERMITS, LIKE THEY CAN GET THOSE 
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ELECTRICAL DESIGNS VERY EASILY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, PG E MAY WANT A LOT OF INFORMATION AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU CALL ELECTRIFY AMERICA AND YOU SAY, HOW MANY MEGAWATTS IS A CHARGING HUB? THEY WILL LOOK AT THE SITE AND THEY'LL SAY, THIS PARTICULAR SPOT ON THE GRID CAN, I CAN GET A MEGAWATT RIGHT NOW AND I CAN GET FIVE MEGAWATTS IN FIVE YEARS. 
          LIKE, I'M GONNA ASK FOR ONE MEGAWATT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PUT IN A LOAD STUDY AND THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU NEED. 
          YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. 
          BUT IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T NEED THE DIAGRAMS OF THE WIRES AND ALL THAT. 
          IT'S JUST VERY RAW. 
          LIKE, THIS IS HOW BIG I WOULD NEED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS THEM ON THEIR WAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU TO THE EV AD HOC FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DID. 
          THAT'S SOME REALLY EXCELLENT RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT ITEM THEN. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING FOR THAT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          [COMMISSION COMMENT]
SO, UM, NOW WE'RE ON TO COMMISSION COMMENT. 
          DURING COMMISSION COMMENT, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. 
          THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BEGIN? COMMISSION COMMENT? I'LL BEGIN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO JUST A HEADS UP THAT THE, UH, PETALUMA MUSIC FESTIVAL IS COMING UP AND WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO HELP, UH, STAFF THE WASTE STATIONS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET INTO A REALLY COOL FESTIVAL AT NO COST VOLUNTEER, A COUPLE OF HOURS OF YOUR TIME, YOU CAN GO TO, UH, PETALUMA MUSIC FESTIVAL.ORG AND SIGN UP TO VOLUNTEER FOR THAT. 
          SHIFTS ARE AVAILABLE AND COOL. 
          PETALUMA IS PROMOTING THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT WERE THE DATES AND TIMES IT IS ON, MAKE SURE I GIVE YOU THE EXACT SATURDAY. 
          SATURDAY THE 25TH. 
          YES. 
          SATURDAY THE 25TH SHIFTS ARE PROBABLY 11 O'CLOCK UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          AND I THINK, I WANNA SAY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LENGTH OF THE SHIFTS. 
          HOW MANY HOURS? THREE AND A HALF HOURS. 
          THREE AND A HALF HOURS, THREE HOUR SHIFT THAT YOU'RE EXPECT TO SHOW UP A LITTLE EARLIER. 
          OKAY. 
          TRAIN, GET TRAINING UP FRONT AND TRAIN AT THE END. 
          SO THERE'S A TRANSFER. 
          SO THREE AND A HALF HOURS, UH, IN THE SHIFTS I SIGNED UP FOR THE AFTERNOON. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS THE MOST NEEDED. 
          LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ONLY, AT THE TIME WHEN I SIGNED UP, THERE WAS ONLY TWO OF US FOR 20 SPOTS. 
          OH WOW. 
          BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT IT FIRST CAME OUT. 
          HOPEFULLY IT'S FILLED UP. 
          IS THERE, THIS WEBSITE SHOWS YOU THAT THE YEAH. 
          WHAT SPOTS ARE NEEDED? OKAY. 
          AND YOU JUST GO AND PLUG YOUR NAME IN AND, AND, AND THERE'S A DUMP. 
          BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOUR SHIFT IS AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU CAN COME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FESTIVAL AND ENJOY THE FESTIVAL ALL DAY AND THEN DO YOUR SHIFT AND THEN EVEN ONCE YOUR SHIFT IS OVER, STAY FOR THE REST OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          AND IS, IS THERE A MINIMUM AGE FOR VOLUNTEERING FOR THE, THE WEIGH STATION? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY SAY JUNIOR HIGH AND UP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          . 
          I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          I JUST HAVE A 16-YEAR-OLD, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT? UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN, UH, COME UP WITH, WITH STUFF THAT'S, UH, HAPPENING. 
          UH, JUST FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE, UM, GUYS NEW, NEW TO THE WHOLE PROCESS, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR GENERAL PLAN, UH, IF YOU CAN, AND JUST, UH, PERUSE SOME OF THE MAPS AND THINGS SO YOU GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR, FOR CLIMATE, UM, IS IMPACTING A HUGE AMOUNT. 
          AND PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO IT YET, WE HAVE THE CLIMATE FRAMEWORKS, UM, THAT, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER WITH THE ACTION PLANS. 
          SO PLEASE LOOK THROUGH THAT LIST. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOW IN IMPLEMENTATION PHASE. 
          UH, SO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO LIKE WE DID TODAY. 
          WHAT OTHER STEPS CAN WE NOW START TAKING SMALL LITTLE STEPS TO MOVE THE, UH, DOWN? UM, JUST, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS WAS, UM, IN THE NORTH STATION THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND THEN FOR CLIMATE, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF DENSITY IN THIS SPOT. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE USING A LOT OF THE WORDS FORM THE GENERAL PLAN AND FROM, UM, THAT ENVIRONMENTALLY BASED. 
          BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH LANGUAGE ABOUT, UH, THE WATER MOVEMENT AND THE LIKE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, UM, LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT WE GET ENOUGH, UM, UH, CONCEPTS IN, IN WHAT'S BEING DONE THERE. 
          AND ALSO NEXT STEP IS THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          WE HAVEN'T, UH, THE BAKER IS, IS BEEN ASSIGNED NOW BAKER AND ASSOCIATES AS THE ARCHITECTS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA FORM A WORK GROUP. 
          SO WE WANNA GIVE INPUT THERE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS 
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ALSO HAS LOTS OF CLIMATE ACTION THINGS GOING ON WITH IT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN CROSSING OVER, UH, THOSE ARE TWO PLACES WHICH YOU CAN ACTUALLY JOIN IN RIGHT NOW. 
          IN FACT, THAT'S FOR ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC TOO, TO KNOW THAT THERE, THERE'S THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO HAVE YOUR WORDS ABOUT, UH, HOW MANY TREES, UH, WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, UH, WHETHER, UH, TRANSPORTATION IN THERE AND THAT THE TRANSPORT, BECAUSE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO, UM, REINVENT OUR, OUR TRANSPORT DOWN THE LINE HERE. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA FUND. 
          SO IF ANY IDEAS THAT WE CAN HAVE AND ANY FUTURE CURRICULUM YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD, LIKE WE DID TONIGHT. 
          I JUST MENTIONED DATA CENTERS AS, AS A TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT. 
          UM, UH, BRING, BRING BRING IT UP AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND WE, THAT'S JUST, JUST BY, BY BIT HERE AS, AS A, AS A LIAISON. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
THEN WE MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENT. 
          WELL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI STOLE MY THUNDER A LITTLE BIT. 
          I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE DAVID BAKER ASSOCIATES AS THE CONSULTANT FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN PROCESS. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, DOING THE COMMUNITY VISIONING PROCESS THIS FALL. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KICKING OFF RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE TIME TO GET INVOLVED AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD ABOUT THE EV HUB WOULD BE GREAT FEEDBACK FOR THEM, UM, TO INCLUDE. 
          SO THEY'RE GETTING IT FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE ADVOCATING AS WELL, BUT IT, IT'S NICE TO HAVE OTHER VOICES THAN, THAN OURS IN THERE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE NEXT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, UM, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION LINED UP FROM, UH, THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITY, S-C-T-C-A, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THEIR GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY UPDATES FROM 2024. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF HOT OFF THE PRESS. 
          I THINK IT'S GOING TO THEIR BOARD, UH, THIS MONTH MAYBE. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'LL, THAT'LL BE HOPEFULLY APPROVED AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME AND TALK PUBLICLY ABOUT IT. 
          UM, HERE. 
          AND WE CAN SEE, SPOILER ALERT, TRANSPORTATION IS STILL THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS DIRECTIVE EMISSIONS. 
          UM, BUT IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          SO, UM, THAT'LL BE FASCINATING. 
          I THINK. 
          CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT OR SHOULD WE, WITH THE OTHER PRESENTATION? THERE MAY BE A SECOND PRESENTATION DONUT IN SUSPENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL, THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE A SECOND PRESENTATION TO HEAR ABOUT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE CONFIRMED IT. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ASPIRATIONS THAT BRING A SECOND PRESENTATION ANYHOW. 
          UM, AND THEN IN TERMS, FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME OUR NEW, TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR YOUTH COMMISSIONER ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. 
          UM, APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR VOLUNTEERING, YOUR TIME TO BE WITH US AND LENDING US YOUR BRAINS TO HELP SOLVE LOTS OF DIFFICULT PROBLEMS. SO, AND THAT GOES TO ALL OF YOU, APPRECIATE ALL YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, IF THIS WAS EASY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN SOLVED ALREADY. 
          SO APPRECIATE ALL THE BRAINS THAT ARE KIND OF HELPING US FIGURE OUT THOSE SOLUTIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF DEB HAD ANYTHING SHE WANTED TO ADD AS WELL. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK, UH, I THOUGHT I'D SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THINGS THAT ARE UNDERWAY. 
          WANTED TO NOTE THE, THAT WILDLIFE CONSERVATION BOARD, UH, BIODIVERSITY INDEX GRANT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU LEARNED ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, WORKING WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS ON THAT, UM, WITH POINT BLUE. 
          SO THAT ONE IS HOPEFULLY BEING SUBMITTED HERE, UM, BY THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          UM, BUT ALONG THOSE SAME LINES AS YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, UM, THERE WAS A GREAT HORNED OWL THAT NESTED DOWNTOWN SINCE WE LAST MET. 
          THIS IS, I LIKE REFLECT, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED SINCE WE MET LAST, UM, THE END OF MAY THAT HAPPENED. 
          UH, IT HAS OPENED UP A, UH, AN AMAZING CONVERSATION WITH, UM, VECTOR CONTROL THAT HELPS A LOT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A, A VECTOR CONTROL IS AN ASSESSMENT FEE THAT WE ALL PAY. 
          THEY DO MOSQUITOES, THEY DO WASPS THAT I JUST LEARNED ABOUT, AND THEY DO RATS AND MANY, ALL THE WAYS THAT THEY CAN HELP EDUCATE AND THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, WE DID A WORKSHOP OUT OF THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT THAT OWL WAS DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE SO MANY RATS THAT THE OWLS COULD FEED OFF OF, UH, DOWNTOWN THAT WE NOW HAVE IN, UH, A GROUP WORKING THAT INCLUDES THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, RECOLOGY VECTOR CONTROL, AND NOW STARTING TO WORK WITH RTP TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT SOME SORT OF ONGOING PROGRAM AROUND THE TOPIC OF RATS. 
          BUT WHAT THAT OPENED, THE RAT SIDE OF IT IS WASTE. 
          AND REALLY HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROPERLY DISPOSING OF COMPOST 
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AND, UH, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT BUSINESSES UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PUTTING THE RIGHT THING IN THE RIGHT BIN, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND THEN MAKING SURE THE BINS ARE CLOSED AND CARED FOR AND WHATNOT. 
          SO, UH, THAT FITS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF OUR BUSINESS SIDE OF, UH, THE EQUATION AS IT RELATES TO, UH, CLIMATE ACTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT CITY HALL HAS NOW NOW BEEN CERTIFIED AS A GREEN BUSINESS. 
          UH, AND SO, YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT IS, UH, THE NEXT PART OF THIS WHOLE, UM, FOR CITY HALL, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, WHICH IS, UM, SETTING UP DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE, UH, COLLECT OUR WASTE. 
          WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING SOME OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, BUT, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE SAME TOKEN OF WASTE, THE ZERO WASTE WORKING GROUP THAT COMES OUT OF THE ROUND TABLE. 
          THEY HAVE NARROWED DOWN THE TOPIC TO BE, UH, A, UH, THEY'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE SCHOOLS. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS OUR FUTURE IS THE KIDS. 
          WE HAVE THE PLACE WE HAVE TO REALLY START SO THAT IT GOES FROM THE STUDENT WHO GOES AND EDUCATES THE PARENTS, UH, ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE. 
          BUT OF, AGAIN, COMPOST IS THE MAIN TOPIC. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE MORE THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE NOT PUTTING STUFF INTO THE TRASH CANS, THE MORE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOWERING THEIR COSTS. 
          IN THIS CASE, THAT IS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING ON, UH, PETAL IN THE CITY SCHOOLS. 
          'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE OUR, UH, BIGGEST SCHOOLS ARE FOR THE JUNIOR HIGHS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS. 
          UH, SO THE WORKING GROUP IS, UH, GONNA BE DOING DURING THE MONTH OF ZERO WASTE WEEK. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT A WASTE AUDIT AND, UH, COMPETITION AMONGST THE SCHOOLS IS LIKELY WHAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, HAPPENING. 
          UM, AND UH, SO THAT'LL BE A LOT OF FUN. 
          WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PATHWAY STUDENTS, UH, THAT ARE THE NEW STUDENTS THAT HAVE COME ON BOARD FOR THAT. 
          UH, THEY'LL BE HELPING US WITH THAT. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT'S WITH ECOLOGY AND ZERO WASTE. 
          SONOMA. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME PARENT INVOLVEMENT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S A WORKING GROUP THAT IS, UH, FIGURING THAT ITEM OUT. 
          UM, WE WILL BE HOSTING HERE AT CITY HALL, THE DROP AND GO BAG COLLECTION THAT IS, UM, COMING OUT FROM THE, UH, CEREBRAL PALSY, UH, IS THE, IS THE UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THEY RUN THE RECYCLING FACILITY DOWN ON FIRST STREET. 
          UH, THEY HAVE A NEW DROP AND GO PROGRAM. 
          THEY WANNA GRANT TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DO, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, YOUR CRV IS ACTUALLY CAN COME BACK TO ALL INDIVIDUALS RATHER THAN YOU. 
          YOU CAN PUT IT CURRENTLY IN YOUR, UH, RECYCLING BIN OR YOU CAN GO AND TAKE IT TO GET, RE TO GET IT BACK AS YOUR CRV OR ACTUALLY GET THE DOLLARS BACK. 
          THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT'S COMING, UH, THAT WILL HAVE DROP PLACES AT THE RECYCLING CENTER. 
          THERE'LL BE BAGS HERE AT CITY HALL, UH, THAT YOU CAN COLLECT YOUR BAGS, KINDA LIKE THE EQUIVALENT IS, UH, RID WELL IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, RIGHT, WHERE YOU PUT IT ALL IN A BAG AND THEN SOMEONE, UH, COLLECTS IT IN THAT CASE. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU WOULD DROP IT OFF AT DOWNTOWN AT THE FIRST STREET AND THERE'LL EVENTUALLY BE A DROPBOX AT, UM, THE OUTLET MALL. 
          UM, SO THAT IS SOME, THERE'S A LOT OF WASTE THINGS HAPPENING, UH, AT THE MOMENT THAT ARE, UH, STARTING TO, UH, REALLY GAIN SOME TRACTION. 
          UM, TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I MADE SOME NOTES, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          A FOOT OF ENERGY CONSERVATION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE IN THE CITY. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT QUITE THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN IS GETTING, UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE, THE POLICY AND WORKING A LITTLE BIT ON THE PLAN. 
          UM, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF IT THAT I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          OH, NO, ONE MORE. 
          UH, THE EXTREME HEAT GRANT, UH, IS OUT. 
          THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, PROP $4 ARE ALL ROLLING DOWN, UH, THE PIPELINES AND THE CLIMATE AND LAND USE OFFICE HAS EXTREME HEAT GRANT COMING. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ABOUT A LOT ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, PUTTING TREES AND STREETS PROJECT, UH, WE'RE APPLYING AGAIN TO TRY TO GET THAT FUNDED. 
          WE DID APPLY ALSO UNDER THE URBAN GREENING TO TRY TO GET THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN MODEL, UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO CAPTURE, UH, WATER SLOW OUR STREETS, SHADE OUR STREETS FOR EXTREME HEAT IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP APPLYING FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TRY TO GET FUNDED. 
          YOU KNOW, AND FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HIT A LOT OF THE, THE METRICS THAT WE NEED TO HIT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE DOLLARS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, MOSTLY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE A CENSUS TRACK FOR DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, WE HAVE ALL THE, WE, WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND WE HAVE ALL THE PLANS TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THE, 
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THE TREE CANOPY NEED OR THAT WE HAVE THE EXTREME HEAT NEED OR THE FLOODING. 
          WE'VE, WE HAVE ALL THE RESEARCH. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT DOESN'T HIT THE SAME SEVERITY LEVELS AS IT DOES THROUGH THE REST OF THE STATE. 
          BUT WHAT IT DOES FOR US IS ALLOW US TO KEEP WORKING IT OUT OF HOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THIS NOTION OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND TREES AND STREETS. 
          AND AS A WAY TO SLOW THE STREETS AND MODEL THAT BEHAVIOR, NOT JUST HERE, IN THIS CASE FOR THIS GRANT THAT WE'LL BE APPLYING FOR TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A TOOL. 
          AGAIN, THE WHOLE NOTION IS WE CREATE THE MODEL, THE PILOT, THE DEMONSTRATION, AND WE CREATE THE PLAYBOOK FOR IT TO BE USED ELSEWHERE. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES TO BE ABLE TO HELP US CREATE THAT PILOT, UH, THAT PLAYBOOK. 
          UM, AND, AND WE ALL AGREE THAT EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED THROUGH THAT FUNDING SOURCE, WHICH IS HIGHLY AGAIN, UNLIKELY THAT WE'LL WE WILL BE SELECTED. 
          WE START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN FUND IT OUTSIDE OF THE PROP $4. 
          UM, THOSE DOLLARS ARE GONNA BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AND GO VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP TRYING THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN TO GET, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPENING AROUND, UH, THE WAY TRANSPORTATION IS OUR BIGGEST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY FAVORITE TOPIC. 
          67% OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS COME FROM HOW WE CHOOSE TO GET AROUND. 
          SO THE MORE WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE, UH, AND MAKE THOSE STREETS SHADY SO THAT THEY'RE INVITING, UH, AND UH, CAPTURE SOME OF THE WATER SO THAT DOESN'T JUST GO STRAIGHT OFF INTO THE, UH, RIVER. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPACTS WE CAN HAVE AS WE PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT IS HERE NOW. 
          THAT'S NOT IN THE FUTURE, IT'S HERE. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE FUN STUFF THAT WE ARE, UH, LOTS. 
          I CALL MYSELF LATELY AN OCTOPUS. 
          I HAVE, UH, EIGHT ARMS AND EIGHT BRAINS. 
          IS THAT TO KEEP EACH OTHER'S PROJECTS GOING, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD STUFF HAPPENING. 
          JUST NOTHING TO BE ABLE TO LIKE FULLY PUT OUT THERE JUST YET. 
          THERE IS ALSO, THERE'S ONE MORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, WE STILL HAVE THE COORDINATE. 
          OUR OTHER WORKING GROUP IS THE COORDINATED MARKETING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED. 
          UH, THAT ONE'S STILL, THAT WORKING GROUP IS WORKING REALLY HARD TO DEFINE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO DO A COORDINATED MARKETING CAMPAIGN WHERE WE ENGAGE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, UH, AND ALL OF OUR GOVERNMENT PARTNERS AND EVERYONE IN THAT VERY COMPLICATED WAY TO HAVE A COORDINATED MESSAGING. 
          SO LOTS GOING ON. 
          UH, THERE'S A ROUND TABLE COMING, BUT I THINK WE MEET SEPTEMBER. 
          NO, THE ROUND TABLE WILL BE AT THE END OF AUGUST. 
          IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LATER BASED ON THIS OTHER TOPIC THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA UN UNVEIL AT THIS MOMENT. 
          BUT IT'S COMING  THAT MIGHT MOVE THAT ROUND TABLE, BUT A, A DATE. 
          BUT YOU GUYS WILL KNOW WHEN THAT GETS, UH, LANDS ON A ACTUAL DATE. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 8:15 PM THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
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