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WILL CALL OUR[CALL TO ORDER]
MEETING TO ORDER AT, WHAT IS IT? OH, MY GLASSES ON.6:03 PM THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE.
UH, WE WILL START WITH OUR ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER BEAKLEY PRESENT, ACCOUNTED FOR PRESENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER DOIC IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER MARGAN IS ALSO ABSENT.
AND COUNCIL LADIES AND DECAR HERE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT? YOU'RE JUST GONNA SIT BACK THERE AND LAUGH AT ME.
[PRESENTATIONS]
PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT? ALRIGHT.SO TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING, UH, DOING A CONTINUANCE ON OUR NON AERONAUTICAL, UH, STORAGE POLICY THAT WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING.
UM, AND I'M GONNA INTRODUCE, UH, WENDY DOW TO, UM, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE ZOOM, SO LEMME GIVE YOU THIS ONE.
UM, SO DASH AND STAFF, UM, DRAFTED THE DRAFT POLICY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THIS COMMISSION, UH, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT IF THERE ARE NON AERONAUTICAL USES OUT AT THE AIRPORT, THE AIRPORT DOES NEED TO BE CHARGING ESSENTIALLY MARKET RATES FOR THOSE USES.
UM, BUT ALSO IN RECOGNITION THAT OFTENTIMES THE AIRPORT IS ABLE TO GET AN EXCHANGE IN VALUE FOR SOME PEOPLE OR SOME, UM, AGENCIES THAT WANT TO USE AIRPORT LAND FOR STORAGE OR EXERCISES, TRAINING, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THE AIRPORT OFTEN WILL GET VALUE FROM THAT.
AND SO THERE COULD BE AN EXCHANGE.
UM, AND SO THIS POLICY CONTEMPLATES, UM, CALCULATING THE VALUE OF WHATEVER THE, THE AREA BEING USED AT THE AIRPORT IS, AND APPLYING THE RATE THAT'S ALREADY SET IN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED FEE SCHEDULE, UM, TO THE AREA BEING USED, THE AREA OF LAND AT THE AIRPORT BEING USED, IT'S 79 CENTS, UM, PER SQUARE FOOT IS MY RECOLLECTION.
AND THEN, UH, EITHER DIRECTLY CHARGING THAT TO THE USER OR, UM, CALCULATING THE VALUE OF THE USE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXCHANGE, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THE VALUES ARE EITHER FULLY OR PARTIALLY OFFSET.
IF PARTIALLY OFFSET, THEN THERE WOULD BE A CHARGE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE VALUE THAT THE AIRPORT IS RECEIVING.
SO THAT'S SORT OF A BASIC OVERVIEW.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
AND DASH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SUPPLEMENT, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
UM, THAT'S THE, PRETTY MUCH ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE'RE OPEN TO, UM, COMMON SUGGESTIONS, UM, FEEDBACK, UM, AS WE DEVELOP THIS POLICY.
UM, AND SO IF, IF THERE'S ANY MAJOR PRESSING POINTS, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND I THINK MAYBE THE ONE THING I WOULD JUST ADD TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS, UM, ONE KEY POINT THAT YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, PROPOSED POLICY IS THAT ANY USE IS FREELY REVOCABLE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO IF THERE'S A NON AERONAUTICAL USE OUT THERE, THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
AND IF THERE'S A AIRPORT NEED FOR THAT AREA OF LAND, UM, THEN BASICALLY THAT NON AERONAUTICAL USER'S GONNA GET, GET THE BOOT AND GET KICKED OUT WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE.
ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
I HAD, I JUST, OH, GO AHEAD DREW.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST HAD A COMMENT.
UM, I THINK IN SECTION OR FIVE SECTION FIVE OF THIS, UM, REPORT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE AIRPORT MANAGER CAN, HAS A PRETTY BROAD AUTHORITY TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAIVE FEES OR, UH, DETERMINE THAT A CERTAIN USE IS BENEFICIAL ENOUGH TO OFFSET FEES.
AND THAT COULD CREATE A CONFLICT.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A CITY EMPLOYEE IS KIND OF ADJUDICATING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOMETHING'S FAIR OR NOT IN AND OF THEMSELVES THAT COULD PUT, UH, SOMEONE WITH LESS STRENGTH AND PERSONALITY THAN DASH IN AN AWKWARD POSITION.
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HAVE ANOTHER MECHANISM I WOULD FOR RATIFICATION OR APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION.I GUESS I WOULD NEED TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IN THAT REGARD BEFORE I GAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR AIRPORT MANAGER IS THE, UM, CITY EMPLOYEE WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN THE DUTY AND THE OBLIGATION TO MANAGE THE AIRPORT AND ALL OF THE LEASES AND LICENSES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR IN THAT REGARD.
UM, HE IS, AND YOU KNOW, ANY SUBSEQUENT AIRPORT MANAGER, ALTHOUGH WE HOPE WE HAVE DASH FOR A VERY LONG TIME,
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
AND ANY OF THIS SORT OF IN KIND EXCHANGE IN VALUE IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THOSE FEDERAL GRANT ASSURANCES.
AND IT'S GONNA REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PASS, UM, ANY KIND OF SCRUTINY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT BRING TO THE, HOW THE AIRPORT IS USING THEIR LAND AND WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR IT.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FOREFRONT OF ANY AIRPORT MANAGER'S MIND AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN ADVISING ON ANY OF THOSE EXCHANGES.
UM, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, IF YOU STILL HAVE CONCERNS, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY WHEN JUDGMENT CALLS ARE MADE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HEALTHY TO PUBLISH OR BRING THOSE TO THE ATTENTION OF A LARGER GROUP OF PEOPLE.
I, I WILL ALSO ADD, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS POLICY REQUIRES THAT THERE, IT HAS TO BE TO SHOW THAT THAT ACTUAL DOLLAR AND, AND A POTENTIAL EXCHANGE WITHIN THAT.
AND SO, UM, SO EVEN BEFORE WE EVEN ACCEPT SOMETHING, WE NEED TO HAVE A DOLLAR VALUE ASSOCIATED AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVE OR SHOW IN KIND HOW THAT, UM, WHATEVER EXCHANGE OR DOLLAR VALUE ACTUALLY MEETS THAT, UH, MEETS OR EXCEEDS THAT, UM, THAT PRESCRIBED VALUE TO THAT ITEM THAT'S BEING STORED ON THE AIRPORT.
AND SO HAVING THAT, UM, BEING DOCUMENTED IS A HUGE PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, I, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION TO SHOW, UM, IF THERE IS EVEN A QUESTION ABOUT IT, WE WOULD HAVE BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION ABOUT WHAT'S BEING STORED, WHAT THE DOLLAR VALUE IS, IS THE MONEY, IS THE AIRPORT JUST TAKING A RENT CHECK OR IS THERE AN ASSIGNED LIKE VALUE TO OTHER SERVICES BEING PROVIDED, WHETHER THAT'S TRAINING OR PROVIDING LIKE SERVICES OR, UM, LIKE EQUIPMENT FOR, UM, OTHER USES ON THE AIRPORT THAT CAN, UM, EQUATE TO THAT DOLLAR VALUE OR EXCEED THAT.
I HAD TWO, UH, POSSIBLE THINGS TO CONSIDER TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
'CAUSE I, I AGREE AVOIDING THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IS OFTEN JUST AS IMPORTANT AS AVOIDING THE ACTUAL IMPROPRIETY.
UM, SO THE TWO THOUGHTS THAT I HAD IS, IS ONE, MAYBE INCLUDING LANGUAGE THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE AIRPORT MANAGER WOULD INCLUDE ANY OF THESE ARRANGEMENTS IN THE OPERATIONS REPORT THAT THE COMMISSION GETS AT EACH MEETING? UM, I, I THINK THAT ALREADY HAPPENS
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, MAYBE WENDY, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN ASSIST BECAUSE I DID, I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER WITH ME SO I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE IN TITLE 16, UM, THAT WE JUST RECENTLY REVISED FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, WHERE WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN TITLE 16 FOR APPEALS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A AROUND EVENT APPROVALS.
UM, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BORROW FROM THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, WHERE THAT UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S JUST, IT'S UP TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER AND IT GETS PRESENTED OUT AND THAT'S GREAT.
AND THEN THERE'S AN APPEALS PROCESS THAT MIRRORS THAT SHOULD SOMETHING GO SIDEWAYS.
UM, SO JUST SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.
YEAH, I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE APPEALS, I THINK THE EVENT PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE AKIN TO LIKE THE AIRPORT LEASE LEASES AND LICENSES.
I DO, UM, LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT INCLUDED IN THE OPERATIONS REPORT, THAT GIVES A LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT.
AND I DO THINK IT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF COURSE, TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE QUESTIONING AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON, AND THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD AND MAYBE THE EASIEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT TRANSPARENCY, THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST CHOICE.
BUT I JUST WAS REMEMBERING THE TITLE 16 CONVERSATIONS FROM A YEAR AGO AND WONDERING IF THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING OF USE THERE.
UM, AND I'LL TAKE A, I'LL TAKE
I I DON'T WANNA ASSERT THAT TOO STRONGLY.
YEAH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I THINK THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS.
YEAH, I HAD, UM, ONE VERY NUTS AND BOLTY QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S NO NUMBER SIX
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THE, UM, THE SIX WAS DELETED AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE RENUMBERING DIDN'T OCCUR.
THOSE SUBHEADINGS ARE MEANT TO BE UNDER NUMBER FIVE.
UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL RELATED TO THAT.
OH, I SEE WHERE THE LINES ARE.
YEAH, SO, SO WE'RE JUST MISSING SIX.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, WHICH, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE, I I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD FOR, UM, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I THINK INCLUDING THAT, THAT PIECE IN THE, IN THE REPORT IS GOOD.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE, AND MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S INCLUDED AS FORMULA FORMULAIC LANGUAGE IN THAT REPORT, UM, IS JUST SO THAT IT'S IN OUR BACK POCKET SHOULD THE FAA EVER CALL IT INTO QUESTION WHY? HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY THAT THE CITY FEE SCHEDULE IS IN FACT MARKET RATE? BECAUSE THEY, THE, THE SPIRIT OF THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY THAT YOU WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE COMPETING IN THE MARKETPLACE WITH A CITY.
IT'S THAT YOU'RE COMPETING IN THE MARKETPLACE WITH LIKE THE PERSONAL STORAGE UNIT DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY, UM, SORT OF LINGERING CONCERN HERE.
AND IF WE CAN INCLUDE, UM, SOME LANGUAGE EITHER MAYBE IN THIS POLICY OR IN THE, AS PART OF THE PIECE THAT NEEDS TO GET REPORTED OUT AS TO WHY WE CAN JUSTIFY THAT THAT IS IN FACT MARKET RATE, I THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD TO BE DOCUMENTING AS WE GO.
SO THAT, SHOULD ANYONE EVER CALL IT INTO QUESTION YEAH.
WE, WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, GOOD INTENTION AT LEAST OF HAVING, HAVING DONE THAT.
I, I THINK I WILL MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY PART OF A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE AIRPORT.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THERE THAT DO NEED UPDATING MM-HMM
SO THAT COULD INCLUDE WHETHER THAT'S THE PER SQUARE FOOT COST OF NON AERONAUTICAL STORAGE.
THAT CAN INCLUDE IF LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE NO PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST AND WE'VE GOT EMPTY HANGERS AND WE GET FAA APPROVAL TO PUT POLICE IN A HANGAR, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN NON AERONAUTICAL STORAGE FOR RATE FOR, FOR A HANGAR.
UM, AND THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE SOME FORM OF FEE SCHEDULE IF, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S LIKE A FILM COMPANY THAT WANTS TO SHOOT A MOVIE FOR A DAY AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MECHANISM TO COLLECT REVENUE ON BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FACILITIES FOR A NON AERONAUTICAL, UM, ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE AT THE AIRPORT THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, THE $7 DAILY ACCESS FEE.
AND THAT GETS REALLY BEAUTIFULLY INTO WHAT IS PROBABLY MY, MY LAST QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE FOCUS AND THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PIECE THAT WE WERE COMPLETELY MISSING.
BUT YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF OTHER REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING COMPLETE WITH THAT NON AERONAUTICAL USAGE.
UM, WHETHER IT'S FOR OTHER CITY USES OR, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY THIRD PARTIES.
UM, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES, AND IT'S A SHAME THAT, THAT JEFF HAD A, A CONFLICT TONIGHT, BUT ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST IS USING, UM, AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MENTIONED HERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S CONNECTED TO THE FEE STRUCTURE HERE.
UM, THE, UH, EMERGENCY RESPONSE STAGING OR TRAINING MM-HMM
AND THE TRAINING ISN'T STORAGE.
SO DOES THAT, I MEAN, HOW DO, HOW WOULD WE WORK? IS THAT A DAY FEE? RIGHT? SO I JUST, UM, I, I'D WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T, UM, SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS AND SINCE IT TAKES A LOT OF MOMENTUM TO GET GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE JOB AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF HANGING BITS OF OTHER USES THAT, THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS.
I WILL SAY, AT LEAST ON THAT SECTION WITH SHOWING, WITH TRAINING, LIKE THAT'S POTENTIAL EXAMPLES OF, LET'S SAY, UM, LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO FAMILIARIZATION TRAINING ON A, AN ACTUAL SET SCHEDULE WHERE THERE'S AN ACTUAL, UM, PART OF THE TRAINING SCHEDULE FOR, UH, MEMBERS JUST AS A PART OF A SERVICE WHERE, UM, IT HEIGHTENS THE, THE READINESS FOR ANY EMERGENCY AT THE AIRPORT.
BUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING OF IS IT IS LIKE THE MOTORCYCLE TRAINING.
IT IS THE MOTORCYCLE TRAINING
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRAINING
IT'S NOT TRAINING FOR RESPONDING AT THE AIRPORT, IT'S USING THAT 'CAUSE IT'S PERFECT SPACE TO DO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TRAINING.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, UM, HAVE TO JUST IMMEDIATELY TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
WE ALSO HAD FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING
UH, SO YOU KNOW, THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING AND, AND I WOULD SAY PART OF WHAT WE TRY TO DO WITH A POLICY LIKE THIS IS PROVIDE ENOUGH GUIDANCE THAT YOUR AIRPORT MANAGER HAS DIRECTION ABOUT WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND EVERYBODY'S
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CLEAR ON HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO, BUT ALSO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP AND THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THE VALUE, UM, THAT IS BEING PROVIDED OR THAT NEEDS TO BE CHARGED.AND SO, UM, WE DON'T WANNA GET TOO DETAILED IN INSTRUCTING THE AIRPORT MANAGER AND EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO, BECAUSE THEN HE MIGHT BE CONSTRAINED IN WHAT HE CAN DO AND ADDRESS OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK THE ANSWER IS TO MAKE THIS EVEN MORE GENERAL AS OPPOSED TO ADDING MORE SPECIFICS.
SO FOR LIKE, EVEN JUST IN THE TITLE, RIGHT? NOT NON AERONAUTICAL OUTDOOR STORAGE USE POLICY.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY SAY STORAGE AND USE YEAH.
NON-RADICAL, YOU KNOW, NON AERONAUTICAL USE, INCLUDING STORAGE.
OR SO LIKE, OR JUST NON A USE.
LIKE I THINK IF WE MAKE IT EVEN MORE BROAD YES.
BECAUSE WITH THAT NARROW OF A TITLE, YOU COULD SAY, WELL THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CAREFUL EYES ON THIS TOO, BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS FOR IT TO BE STORAGE AND USE AND NOT BE LIMITED TO JUST A STORAGE, BUT TO PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, REGULATIONS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
YOU DUNNO THAT YET, BUT IT'S, UM, SO NO, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT START AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO US TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
WE'LL WORK ON IT AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK.
UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COLIN, YOU'VE BEEN KIND OF QUIET.
UM, DO WE PAY THE CITY FOR THOSE INSPECTIONS? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO.
DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COLLECT INSPECTION MONEY FROM ANYBODY? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DO
SO I, THAT JUST SEEMED KIND OF OUT OF THE WAY.
WELL, WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE THE, UM, EXTINGUISHERS? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE THAT THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR THEIR INSPECTIONS, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, BUT I THINK I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE BILL FOR IT.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO START CHARGING WHERE WE DIDN'T CHARGE BEFORE, WE MIGHT SEE DEPARTMENTS TO START CHARGING WHERE THEY HAVEN'T CHARGED BEFORE.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL PART OF THE CITY AND SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME, LIKE THIS BENEFITS BOTH OF US.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TO COOPERATE.
AND SO IF IT STARTS FEELING MORE FORMAL, WE MIGHT ALSO GET MORE FORMALITY FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE, THE CITY HAS TO BE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT FALLS UNDER THE FAA GUIDELINES.
HOW THE AIRPORT'S GONNA OPERATE YES.
AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COLLECT.
SO I THINK THIS IS JUST IN ANTICIPATION THAT THIS IS A CHANGE, AND SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY PREDICT ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT MIGHT FLOW FROM THAT.
YOU MENTIONED IF THERE WERE EMPTY HANGERS AND WE LEASED THEM OUT AS NON AERONAUTICAL USE, AND THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT FEE SCHEDULE FOR THAT MM-HMM
SO WHAT WHAT THE FAA SAYS ON IT IS, LET'S SAY THE FAA WOULD PREFER THAT THE AIRPORT GENERATE REVENUE.
AND SO IN AN UNLIKELY SCENARIO THAT LET'S SAY WE HAVE HANGAR SPACE THAT, UM, IS SITTING EMPTY, WE HAVE NO WAIT LIST, THERE'S NO PEOPLE COMING IN.
WHAT THE FAA ALLOWS IS AN FAA APPROVED PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE FA AND THE AIRPORT DISTRICT OFFICE AND YOU CAN GET APPROVALS ON A THREE TO FIVE YEAR BASIS FOR A NON AERONAUTICAL USE, UH, STORAGE OF A HANGAR.
IF, LET'S SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, A BUSINESS WANTS TO USE IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF SOMEONE COMES ON THE WAIT LIST, THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.
AND SO THAT'S IN THE, THE HANGAR USE POLICY PROVIDED BY THE FAA, THAT'S NOT MY INTENDED BLAKE HOPE IS TO HAVE ANY, LIKE, LACK OF A, UM, IF ANY HANGERS THAT ARE EMPTY AND A WAIT LIST THAT'S EMPTY, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ASKING, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS OR THIRD PARTIES TO GO IN THERE WITH NON AERONAUTICAL STORAGE.
BUT IN THE EVENT, LET'S SAY THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, WE SHOULD STILL HAVE THE MECHANISM IN THERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE SHOULD CHARGE LIKE A SEVERAL DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT TO BE MARKET RATE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT JUST HAVING THAT MECHANISM IN THERE, UM, JUST PROVIDES TOOLS.
IN THE UNLIKELY SCENARIO THAT'S THE CASE.
MY PERSONAL POLICY IS I WANT AIRPLANES IN THERE AND THAT'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE.
I WAS JUST THINKING THOUGH, MARKET RATE FOR STORAGE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE RATE FOR A HANGER.
IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT.
BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE, WE DON'T HAVE A FEE FOR THAT IN OUR, OUR MASTER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING IT WOULD BE HIGHER FEE, NOT LOWER.
IF, IF, LET'S SAY SOMEONE WANTED TO STORE A BOAT IN THERE.
LET'S SAY THE MARINA WANTED TO PUT A BOAT IN A HANGAR, LIKE WE WOULD CHARGE THE MARINA MORE MONEY THAN WE WOULD CHARGE SOMEONE WITH ESSIN 1 72 IN THE HANGAR.
WELL, AND THERE ARE OTHER LEGAL IMPLICATIONS TO GETTING INTO OTHER TYPES OF STORAGE LIKE THAT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MUCH BROADER DISCUSSION
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IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TYPE OF USE.I COULD CREATE A WHOLE HORNET'S NEST PEOPLE HAVE BOLTS IN THEIR HANGERS.
THIS MIGHT BE A LESS IS MORE AREA.
UM, I KNOW IT, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, MAY INCLUDE, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT NINE-ISH, I CAN'T COUNT BULLET POINTS OF SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, TRAFFIC CONTROL.
UM, WOULD IT BE MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT, LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA HELP EACH OTHER OUT AND JUST AS LONG AS IT'S DOCUMENTED AND TRANSPARENT TO NOT HAVE A LIST OF THINGS, UM, AND JUST HAVE IT BE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, QUALIFYING SERVICES WOULD INCLUDE ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD INCLUDE BUT WOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO.
UM, ANY SERVICES FOR WHICH, UH, A CITY AGENCY WOULD ORDINARILY CHARGE, UM, WOULD CHARGE A FEE? I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD BACKTRACK AND BE MORE GENERAL.
UM, I MEAN DASH, YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL.
I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS POLICY WOULD BE ABLE TO GAUGE WHETHER THEY ARE SIMILAR TO ONE OF THESE USES AND IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO APPROACH THE AIRPORT FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.
UM, CERTAINLY IT'S PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE, IT'S MAY, SO THERE COULD DEFINITELY BE OTHER USES THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.
UM, AND, AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS ONLY FOR THE CITY ITSELF.
SO CITY DEPARTMENTS, IT'S NOT FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES OR PRIVATE PARTIES, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M JUST, I THINK I'M, I'M RESPONDING TO THE CONCERN THAT WE MIGHT END UP IN INSPIRING FOLKS TO CHARGE FOR THINGS THAT WOULDN'T ORDINARILY HAVE BEEN CHARGED FOR, UM, AS IN AN EFFORT TO GET THAT EQUIVALENCY IN PLACE.
UM, SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF WE'VE BEEN, IF THE, IF THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING FIRE INSPECTIONS, AND I THINK, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE REFERRING TO MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS ARE IN DATE, BUT, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY'S DOING ALREADY OUT OF SAFETY AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT ISN'T BEING ITEMIZED AS A BILL, UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THE PAPERWORK FOR EVERYBODY TO START ITEMIZING THAT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FACILITATE THE TRANSPARENCY OF THOSE TYPES OF MUTUAL AID ARRANGEMENTS.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT HARD OVER ON THE LIST OR, OR NOT.
I JUST, IF WE'RE, IF WE HAVE ANY LINGERING CONCERNS ABOUT BEING SPECIFIC AND MAYBE INSPIRING AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THAT WE AREN'T CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UM, A MORE GENERAL STATEMENT MIGHT SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
I, I, I CAN SEE IT EITHER WAY THOUGH.
I'M NOT, I DUNNO IF ANYONE ELSE HAS AN OPINION ON THAT, BUT IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
NO, WE CAN DISCUSS, I, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DISCUSS THIS, SO, OKAY.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
YEAH, JUST THINK THAT, THINK THAT BIT THROUGH.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALEX, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
WELL HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
I, THIS IS GONNA DO A LOT TO MAKE THAT RELATIONSHIP MORE TRANSPARENT AND HOPEFULLY STRONGER BETWEEN AIRPORT.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I'M GLAD YOU GUYS RAISED IT.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT PART OF THE PRESENTATION? NO, I'VE GOT NOTHING.
SO THEN WE'LL CHECK OFF PRESENTATIONS AND MOVE ON TO
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITH GRATITUDE, AS ALWAYS TO CLAUDIA FOR KEEPING US ORGANIZED.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS, AMENDMENTS, ADDITIONS, CARTOONS THEY WANNA ADD IN THE MARGINS?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE IN THAT CASE? MOTION TO APPROVE.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEMIZED, IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT.
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COMMENT.NO COUNCIL UPDATE THIS EVENING.
OH, YOU'RE LEAVING US HANGING
WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING FOR A MINUTE,
UM, I DIDN'T GET TO GIVE YOU TROUBLE LAST MONTH, SO I HAVE TO JUST A LITTLE BIT THIS MONTH.
UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES, UM, HANGAR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
I DON'T THINK EITHER OF THEM ARE HERE.
OH, DID YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THIS, THE AD HOC COMMITTEES LAST TIME AND REPLACE TOM? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
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SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT.CLAUDIA, DO YOU HAVE THE NAMES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THESE HANDY? I DO NOT.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO TRY TO DO IT BY MEMORY.
UM, IF I CAN, IT REALLY SHOULD BE AGENDIZED ON YOUR AGENDA OKAY.
I WAS JUST HOPING TO GET LIKE THE LIST OF WHO THEY
SO PERHAPS, UM, CLAUDIA OR DASH COULD SEND THAT TO THE COMMISSION IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT MEETING AND IT COULD BE IZED FOR YES.
TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE, WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD GET THE LIST OF AD HOC COMMITTEES, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IF MY MEMORY SERVES, WHICH IS ALWAYS A QUESTION MARK, UM, NANCY, UNLESS YOU'RE ON ONE OF THESE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY.
YEAH, I THINK WITH, WITH MARCUS AND JEFF ABSENT AND TOM NO LONGER AS A COMMISSIONER, I, I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANYONE.
WERE YOU ON ONE OF THESE, COLIN? I BELIEVE MARCUS AND I WERE HANGING MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, MAINTEN MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
BUT WITH DASH HERE, I WANTED TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO AT LEAST DO THAT HIMSELF.
SO LET'S, LET'S DO AS SUGGESTED, AND IF YOU CAN SEND US THE LIST OF THE EXISTING AD HOC MEMBERSHIP, UM, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING AS TO WHAT THE AD HOC SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAD, UM, A POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL AD HOC THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ADDING AS WELL FOR PLANNING.
I HAVE TO JOT MY MEMORY A LITTLE BIT LATER, SO, OKAY.
WELL, LET'S INCLUDE THAT IN THE AGENDA ITEM OF, UH, JUST A FULL REVIEW OF AD HOCS AND MEMBERSHIP AND SEEING IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL ONE THAT WE WANNA ADD OR IF WE NEED TO RETIRE ANY OF THE ONES ON THE LIST.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT? UM, I HEARD THAT THE AERO VENTURE BUILDING IS GONNA BE VACANT.
HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT? SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO SELL THEIR, THEIR FOUR SPACES WITHIN THE, THE TWO NINER INCORPORATED, UM, GROUND LEASE.
SO THAT INCLUDES THE HANGAR AND THREE OFFICES IN THE SPACE.
UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY TRYING, THEY'RE SEEKING BUYERS, UM, FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THEY INTEND TO, UM, UP, UH, LEAVE IN SEPTEMBER, BUT THEY'LL STILL BE PAYING THE FEES FOR THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, BUT IN THE CURRENT PRESENT TIME, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A BUYER FOR THAT SPACE, UM, TO GO IN THERE.
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TIME FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR REPORT.WELL, IT'S, THIS IS THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
SO MATT PILLA FROM MEAN HUNT COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.
HEY, AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY, OUR SCREENS AREN'T ON.
AND EVEN IF I PUT MY GLASSES ON, I CAN'T SEE THAT ONE.
YEAH, SO
OR JUST TELL US WHERE TO FOLLOW ALONG.
WE CAN TURN, TURN OUR PAGES AS APPROPRIATE.
UM, YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT A, A UPDATE FOR THE TAX RECONSTRUCTION.
WE BROKE GROUND ON THAT ON TUESDAY.
UH, WE DID SET UP OUR BARRIERS ON MONDAY AREA.
UM, SO FAR, GRANT REMOVE ALL OF THE EXISTING ASPHALT PAVEMENT CAN GET US TO OUR, UH, POST SUBGRADE, UH, LEVEL.
UH, WE HAVE COME ACROSS SOME UN UNFORESEEN, UH, SUBGRADE ITEMS. UM, NOW IT IS SOMETHING WE HAD PREPARED FOR, UH, IN CASE WE DID COME THROUGH, UH, THE SITUATION.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING TODAY AND RECON CONFIRM WHAT, WHAT WILL BE OUR, OUR STEPS.
AND, UH, SO TOMORROW, UH, WE'LL BE BACKED OUT THERE TO, UM, GO AHEAD AND START ALL OF OUR SUB REMEDIATION WORK THAT WE CAN GET READY FOR, UH, LINE TREATMENT AND CEMENT TREATMENT THAT WILL BEGIN NEXT WEEK.
UH, NOW DUE TO THE RAIN TODAY, WE DID HAVE A, WE DID TAKE A WEATHER DAY, SO OBVIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WEIGHT OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND THE MOISTURE THAT'S GETTING INTO THE SUBGRADE, UM, LAST THING WE WOULD WANT IS GETTING ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT STUCK IN THERE, BOGGED DOWN, AND THEN WE'RE LOSING MORE TIME ON THAT.
UM, SO TODAY WAS A, UH, WEATHER DAY, BUT WE'LL BACK OUT
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AGAIN ON FRIDAY.WE HAVE A LONG WEEKEND, UH, COMING OUT HERE.
AND THEN ON TUESDAY WE'LL BE, UH, BACK OUT THERE TO PREPARE, START ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE COME ACROSS HERE WITH THE SUBGRADE, WE'RE STILL, UM, TRYING TO ANALYZE ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A IMPACT THAT MAY, UH, MAKE ON THE SCHEDULE, UH, AS WELL AS COST.
UH, HOWEVER, WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE TODAY, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE KEEPING IT A VERY MINIMAL IMPACT, ESPECIALLY ON THE SCHEDULE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING BACK UP, UP AND POSSIBLE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, GETTING THE TAXI LANE BACK OPEN, UH, THEN THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.
UH, AND THEN FROM THERE, SIMILAR TO THE TAXI A PRODUCT, WE WOULD COME BACK 30 DAYS, UH, FROM WHEN WE PUT THE ASPHALT PAYMENT DOWN IN CONTRACT.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE, THE UPDATE FOR NOW.
UM, I'M CURIOUS WHICH, WHICH HANGERS ARE AFFECTED? I AM IN, I'M IN 4K AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOUR THROUGH, I GUESS 12 IS AT FOUR ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE PAPA HANGER.
SO IF YOU'RE ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF ROW FOUR, YOU'RE UNAFFECTED.
IF YOU'RE OKAY, IF YOU'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU'RE, YEAH.
UH, GOING INTO OUR, OUR UPDATED COGS REPORT, OUR FUEL COST, UM, WE'VE SEEN A, A GENERAL DOWNWARD TREND IN FUEL COST.
I'M SORRY, I'M OVER HERE DYING.
UM, I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, HOW MANY, UH, WEATHER AND CONTINGENCY DAYS DO WE HAVE BUILT IN? BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RAINING RIGHT NOW HERE,
SO THIS, THIS DAY WAS, UH, SURPRISE, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FORECAST.
WE OBVIOUSLY, WE NOTED THAT, KEPT OUR EYE ON IT AND, UM, GET THE HOPES UP.
BUT ONCE, UH, YESTERDAY CAME AND, UH, STILL HAD A RAIN HERE, THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE CALL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE ANSWER OF THE QUESTION, SO THE WAY THAT THIS, THAT THIS SCHEDULE WAS SET UP IS ACTUALLY ON WORKING DAYS.
SO NOT SO MUCH CALENDAR DAYS, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE UPCOMING RAIN THAT WOULD BE BE, YOU KNOW, MID OCTOBER TIME TO OCTOBER.
UM, YEAH, DEFINITELY TRY TO GET IT.
UH, WE NEED IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, WE HAVE THE ONE CALENDAR, THE ONE CALENDAR DAY THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN PUT BACK SLIGHTLY.
HOWEVER, UH, LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SCREEN THERE, THEY DID HAVE 23 TOTAL WORKING DAYS TO GET DONE WITH THIS FIRST CASE.
AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING THERE THAT ONLY ONE COURSES DAYS.
SO THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL, UH, NEED GET THE FINALIZED PLAN FOR THE SUBGRADE.
WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE CONTRACTUAL WORKING.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL HAVE MORE UPDATE ON THAT, UH, DEFINITELY TOMORROW AS WELL AS TUESDAY.
I, I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT NOT TRYING TO WORK IN THE RAIN TODAY WAS THE WRONG, THAT'S
UM, I JUST, BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE UNSEASONAL UNSEASONABLE, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT, UH, USERS AND TENANTS AND, AND OTHERS ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH TOTAL PROJECT DURATION.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE THAT COULD JUST BE PART OF OUR REPORTING AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING IS, UM, TRANSLATING THAT WORKING DAYS INTO ACTUAL CALENDAR, CALENDAR DAY ESTIMATIONS.
YEAH, NO, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD.
AND UM, IN THE MEETING, IN THE MEETING TODAY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN FOCUS.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO STAY COSTWISE, BUT TIMEWISE YEAH.
THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THIS STAY AS MUCH IN OUR SCHEDULE AS WE CAN ADDITIONAL DAYS.
AND YOU SAID 20 SOMETHING, BUT IF I AM, THERE'S A DURATION OF 54 DAYS ON HERE.
DOES THAT INCLUDE, THAT INCLUDES PREP AND OTHER THINGS? YEAH.
THE WAY THAT FA A PUTS IT TOGETHER IS WE HAVE OUR MOBILIZATION ELEMENTS THAT TOGETHER ALL THE PERMITS, SUBMITTALS ALL, SO WE GIVE THEM 30 WORK FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION DURATION, UH, WHICH THAT'S THE 23 WORKING DAYS FOR PHASE ONE.
AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH IS JUST COMING BACK TO DO THAT
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SMELL IT, IT'S EASIER TO SEE.ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST GIVING AN UPDATE ON THE, THE PETALUMA, UM, AIRPORT'S FUEL COST OF GOODS SOLD.
UM, WE'VE SEEN A GENERAL DOWNWARD TREND COMPARED TO THE END OF JULY.
UM, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE END OF AT THE LAST, UM, THE LAST UPDATE ON THE 31ST OF AUGUST, WE'VE HAD A MORE DRASTIC DROP.
UM, THAT'S IN LARGE PART BECAUSE WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE TAKING FUEL FROM, FROM SACRAMENTO.
WE'RE WE, WE TALKED WITH TITAN AND WE'RE NOW GONNA BE TAKING JET FUEL FROM RICHMOND, WHICH IS CATEGORICALLY A LOT CHEAPER.
UM, WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE A FOUR TO $8,000, UM, SAVINGS PER YEAR IN FUEL COST, UM, TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND TO THE AIRPORT, UM, DUE TO THAT CHANGE.
SO, UM, GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SLIGHTLY CHEAPER COST OF GOODS FOR, FOR JET FUEL.
UM, AND THAT SHOULD, THAT'S JUST GENERALLY GOOD FOR, FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
UM, GOING BACK TO OUR FUEL PRICE CALCULATOR HERE, JUST SO YOU, UM, YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR FUEL PRICING IS AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE'RE STILL RUNNING THAT OLDER JET FUEL FROM JULY, BUT UM, BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER, UM, FRESH BATCH OF JET FUEL IN THE GROUND.
UM, AND WE MIGHT GET A NEW LOAD OF AVGAS DEPENDING ON HOW THE WEATHER PLAYS OUT GOING INTO OUR FUEL SALES HERE, UM, FOR REVENUE.
UM, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY, SO WE GOT THE AUGUST NUMBERS IN, UM, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WE'RE DOWN A THOUSAND GALLONS FOR A HUNDRED LOW LEAD SALES.
UM, WE HAD SOME LESS THAN IDEAL WEATHER THAT KEPT, UM, THE MARINE LAYER OUT LONGER.
UM, OVERALL WE HAD ABOUT 30 LESS TRANSACTIONS DURING THAT TIME.
THE FLIP SIDE IS, IS WE'VE SOLD A LOT MORE JET FUEL WITH THE NEW PRICING MODEL.
AND SO, UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE HAD A LOT MORE TRANSACTIONS, IT'S THE SIZE OF TRANSACTIONS THAT'S CHANGED.
SO GOING FROM, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE OUR AVERAGE FUEL ORDER A HUNDRED LOW LEAD HAS STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT AT ABOUT 20 GALLONS, UM, PER FUEL ORDER.
BUT SINCE THE, THE FUEL PRICE CHANGED AT THE END OF JULY, UM, WE'VE GONE TO ABOUT 169 GALLONS PER FUEL ORDER COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS THE MONTH PRIOR TO THE 124 AND THE MONTH BEFORE THAT 108.
AND SO WITH THIS NEW PRICING MODEL, IT WHAT IT'S ENTICING A LOT OF OUR, IT'S WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN NECESSARILY NEW BUSINESS.
WE'RE BRINGING SOME IN THAT ARE FLYING O OF, UM, ON THE WAY.
LIKE WE HAD ONE KODIAK COME IN AND BUY 200 GALLONS, BUT PREDOMINANTLY IT'S PEOPLE THAT WERE FLYING IN, UM, THAT WERE BUYING A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE NOW BUYING A LOT MORE, UM, JUST PURELY BASED ON THE PRICE THAT'S AVAILABLE AND INCREASING OUR FUEL FLOWAGE.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING A SLIGHTLY LOWER MARGIN, UM, THAN WE WERE, UM, PRIOR.
AND SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT FUEL REVENUE BEING BRING, BROUGHT IN.
UM, LARGE PART OF WHY WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO LOWER OUR PRICE AND AND TRYING TO MOVE FUEL IS FOR WHENEVER WE HAVE FUEL SIT IN OUR TANKS FOR MORE THAN 90 DAYS, THAT FUEL BECOMES UNCERTIFIED AND WE HAVE TO GET A SMALLER PARTIAL LOAD, WHICH COSTS THE CITY MORE MONEY, COSTS THE CUSTOMER MORE MONEY, UM, AND THUS WE THEN SELL LESS FUEL.
AND SO A LARGE PART OF MY STRATEGY IS TO TRY TO ENTICE MORE OF THOSE LARGER, UM, TURBINE AR AIRCRAFT TO COME IN, GET MORE OF THOSE PARTNER 91 OPERATORS THAT MIGHT BE MORE PRICE SENSITIVE, BUT IT'S ALSO TO MOVE OUR, OUR CURRENT INVENTORY FASTER SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TO THE 90 DAY MARKET ANYMORE WHERE WE HAVE TO BUY 2,003,000 GALLONS JUST TO RECERTIFY AND KEEP IT AS GOOD QUALITY.
UM, GOOD SI UH, SAFE DRY FUEL FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, SO JUST OVERALL, UM, YOU MIGHT ALSO SEE THAT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, LAST YEAR'S FUEL SALES ON THERE.
SO JUNE WE TOOK A BIG HIT, LARGE PART OF THAT, WE LOST A WEEK TO A RUNWAY CLOSURE.
UM, UH, WE ALSO SOLD A LOT LESS JET FUEL THAT MONTH.
UM, IN THE MONTH OF JULY THIS YEAR WE ACTUALLY SOLD A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THAT WAS IN LARGE PART 'CAUSE WE SOLD A LOT MORE HUNTER LOW LEAD THAN WE DID THE YEAR PRIOR.
UM, AND THEN THIS YEAR FOR AUGUST WE ACTUALLY SOLD A LITTLE BIT MORE FUEL THAN WE DID THE YEAR PRIOR, BUT THAT ALL CAME THROUGH THE JET FUEL VOLUME, NOT THROUGH A HUNDRED LOW LEAD.
UM, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? UM, I'VE GOT ONE.
HOW, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN THAT FUEL GOES BEYOND 90 DAYS? SO OUR MOST RECENT JET FUEL LOAD, UM, THAT ACTUALLY WAS A PARTIAL LOAD, UM, WHERE, UM, IT WENT OVER 90 DAYS FOR THAT JET FUEL AND THAT SAT IN THE GROUND BECAUSE WE ONLY SOLD ABOUT 4,000 GALLONS IN 90 DAYS.
AND SO FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL AND WHAT I COULD TELL FROM OUR, OUR HISTORICALS, WE ON AVERAGE SELL ABOUT 24, 20 5,000 GALLONS OF FUEL A YEAR.
AND THAT WOULD FIND US AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR WHERE WE'RE, UM, BUYING PARTIAL LOADS JUST TO KEEP THAT
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CERTIFIED LEVEL, UM, GOING FORWARD.AND SO, UM, SO IDEALLY WE, WE LIKE NOT TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THERE USUALLY COMES WITH A 20 TO 30 CENT PRICE PREMIUM, UM, THAT CUSTOMERS HAVE TO PAY IN, THE CITY HAS TO PAY.
UM, AND WITH THAT AS, YOU KNOW, JUST PEOPLE BUY LESS FROM THAT POINT AND OUR MARGINS GO DOWN, UM, WITH INCREASED COST.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SORT OF THE BANE OF OUR EXISTENCE FOR A WHILE WAS, UH, MAINTENANCE ON THE FUEL FARM.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, THE MARGINS WERE A LITTLE LOWER AND I APPRECIATE THE LOGIC AROUND THE 90 DAY THING MM-HMM
UM, WHAT ARE HA HAVE WE CHANGED OUR APPROACH TO SETTING MONEY BY TO BE READY FOR ANY POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES? IS THAT MARGIN GONNA MAKE US MORE VULNERABLE? UM, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, MY MAIN PRIORITY IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAN, SAFE, DRY FUEL, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, A LARGE PART OF HOW OUR, OUR BUSINESS MODEL, I WILL ADD TO THAT THOUGH DASH, THAT IF THE PUMP BREAKS AND THEY CAN'T GET IT OUTTA THE GROUND, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUEL
BUT THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BENEFIT OF WHERE, WHERE I COME FROM AT THE, UM, FROM THE FBO SCENE.
UM, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE WE GET AT THE AIRPORT IS THROUGH THROUGH HANGAR RENT.
I'M SURE EVERYONE KNOWS, ESPECIALLY DURING, IN ON JULY 1ST WHEN WE DO THE, THE, UM, THE COAL INCREASES.
AND SO, UM, THE MAIN PRIMARY POINT OF HOW OUR FUEL REALLY WORKS, AND THIS WORKS AT A LOT OF AIRPORTS, UM, WE WANT TO USE THAT HANGAR REVENUE IN, IN A WAY TO REALLY SUBSIDIZE THE FUEL SALES AND, AND THE, THE FUEL MAINTENANCE AS A WAY TO, AND WE USE THE FUEL AS A WAY TO DRIVE IN, UM, OPERATIONS TO THE AIRPORT.
SO THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE FLYING IN TO WANNA, UM, GO TO TWO NINE OR DINER OR PEOPLE TO GO TO MANGAN OR GO TO A K AVIONICS, IT'S A MECHANISM TO GET MORE EYEBALLS ON THE AIRPORT, UM, TO ACTUALLY BRING IN MORE REVENUE TO THE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AIRPORT GETS A LOT OF MONEY FROM, UH, THROUGH OTHER BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S SORT OF OUR MECHANISM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
UM, AND THEN PREDOMINANTLY THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE USING, WE WANT TO USE THAT TO COVER THE LABOR EXPENSE OF THE RAMP ATTENDANTS THAT ARE WORKING THERE.
UM, SORT OF LONG TERM WHAT THE IDEA THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IS, IS WE WANT TO HAVE AN AVGAS TRUCK THAT ALSO INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE'RE GETTING IN.
UM, AND THAT ALSO INCREASES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT'S AVAILABLE, WHERE THE RAMP ATTENDANTS ARE REALLY FOCUSING, UM, ON PROVIDING SERVICE TO AIRCRAFT VERSUS GOING UP MOWING SOMEWHERE OR FIXING HANGAR DOORS.
UM, WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE MORE OF THAT LIKE SERVICE FOCUSED.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE START OF A LONGER, UH, LONGER PROCESS THAT I'LL GO OVER AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING AS PART OF A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
WE CAN TABLE THAT TILL WE LOOK AT THE PLAN.
SO GOING OVER THE AIRPORT EXPENDITURES, UM, WE HAD A TOTAL OF, UH, $103,600 IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, LARGE PART OF IT WAS JUST, UM, FACILITY MAINTENANCE AROUND THE AIRPORT.
UM, I CAN PROVIDE IT, I THINK IN THE ATTACHMENTS THERE'S A FULL DOCUMENTED REPORT, UM, THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE, THE SLIDES HERE.
SO, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT WITH ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND GOING ONTO THE REVENUE SIDE, UM, IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THE AIRPORT'S MADE ABOUT, UM, $236,000 IN REVENUE.
SO WE, WE MADE A SURPLUS OF $132,000 IN AIRPORT REVENUE COMPARED TO OUR, UH, OUR EXPENDITURES.
AND SO, UM, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY THROUGH, THROUGH HANGAR REVENUE BUSINESSES AND, AND FUEL SALES.
I, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS ME CHECKING MY MEMORY.
UM, ARE REVENUES DUE TO FUEL SALES AND WEATHER TEND TO BE A LITTLE MORE CYCLIC WITH THE SEASONS? YEAH.
WHEREAS THE EXPENDITURES TEND TO BE CONSISTENT MM-HMM
SO WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE A SURPLUS THAT IN OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE SURPLUS SO THAT THEN THAT CARRIES THROUGH THE, WE HAVE MORE OF THIS YUCKY WEATHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE WE'RE DOING ABOUT $60,000 A MONTH IN FUEL SALES, IN FUEL REVENUE, UM, JUST, YEAH, ABOUT 60,000, 60, 70,000.
SO IF THE REALLY THAT NUMBER IS WHAT WILL WILL CHANGE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME.
BUT OVERALL, BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM HANGAR RENT, UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY STABLE BASE THAT THAT GOES FORWARD.
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YEAH.I WOULD IMAGINE THAT OSCILLATION IS PRETTY SMALL, BUT IT'S NOT ZERO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SURPLUS.
I JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN CONTEXT.
LIKE, AND THE EXCESS FUEL SALES THAT WE HAVE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, THAT'S MUCH MORE FOR RAINY DAY FUND OR PUTTING IT AWAY TOWARDS OTHER PROJECTS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? DOES THE AIRPORT MAINTAIN ITS OWN BALANCE SHEET, OR DO WE JUST WORK OFF OF, UH, APPROPRIATIONS AND SEND ANY SURPLUS BACK TO THE CITY AND DRAW DOWN LOW TIMES? SO WE WORK OFF A, A BUDGET SHEET THAT'S, THAT'S COMPRISED AND APPROVED EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND THEN ANY SURPLUS REVENUE, I BELIEVE JUST GOES BACK INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
ANY, ANY MORE COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT CONCLUDES THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
UM, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY OBJECTIONS, THAT MEANS WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, 6:50 PM THANK YOU EVERYONE.